satisfactory

[glad carbon]

And boom

[quasi warren]

Is that console only?

[glad carbon]

No clue

[shy cypress]

So this game isn’t crossplay because of update schedules being “frequent” on pc. But hasn’t had an update in 8 months? lol

[lunar python]

Patches

[shy cypress]

👀????

1.1.2 8 months

[zenith pecan]

Crossplay has other limits since consoles have limited ram, my old save needed 47gb of ram just to load before 1.0

[glad carbon]

So you saying pc had this patched but console didnt?

[peak wasp]

My world is 60 hrs in almost and I still haven't automated space elevator parts up to phase 4, do people even automate them or automate the items then toss them in

[shy cypress]

Especially the first set. Automate now. You will need hundreds/thousands of them for next phases

[peak wasp]

All space elevator items? I finished automated 12 heavy frames per minute and that was the hardest thing to do.

[lunar python]

Personally, i didnt need to automate anything until the last phase

[shy cypress]

Sorry. Second set

[peak wasp]

My desert is a mess of all sorts of alternate recipe factories

[shy cypress]

First too but those aren’t “project parts”. They just a warm up lol

[weary condor]

Its lowkey all abt personal preference with automating space elevator parts

[ornate saffron]

Saying that consoles don't have the same amount of ram

[peak wasp]

Do you use up every aluminum and oil node

[glad carbon]

Automating things up to phase 4 is easy asf, past that it becomes living hell

[shy cypress]

You’ll need smart plates. Versatile frameworks. And automated wiring for a lot of other project parts down the line. I recommend a big crate of them on standby and sink the rest

[glad carbon]

We get 16 gigs, and if im not correct 15.4 usable gigs of ram

[ornate saffron]

You can but you don't need to

[peak wasp]

I need to automate rocket fuel again but idk how to properly place blenders to fit evenly with the refineries

[zenith pecan]

Yeah, my old save needed nearly three times that just to load 🙁

[quasi warren]

My old save required like 30gigs just to load. :P

[ornate saffron]

Ya, i have 128gb of ram and he has at least 64

[quasi warren]

Im stuck with 32gb ram rn. I need to upgrade but the prices are so high for ram rn

[ornate saffron]

Both @zenith pecan and I have edited our object limit

[ornate saffron]

Its silly

[zenith pecan]

Urgh yeah, prices have gone into fantasy land atm 🙁

[quasi warren]

I want to get more to handle more satisfactory. But im broke 😔

[glad carbon]

And ive barley built a decent mega factory and im running on a powerpoint presentation

[zenith pecan]

Even if I wasn't tight on money, I won't reward greed like that.

[shy cypress]

Ark Asa is almost exactly the same, is crossplay, and will use all the ram in your pc if it’s not reserved for something else

[ornate saffron]

Spread sheets are my life

[ornate saffron]

Praise the sun

[shy cypress]

Yet runs fine on ps5

[lunar python]

Spread them sheets 🤤

[quasi warren]

Fair enough

[zenith pecan]

Right now though, 64gb in three pc's more than meets my needs so I'm good for the forseeable.

64gb per machine that is.

My laptop though only has 32 🙁

[lunar python]

Your greed sickens me

[quasi warren]

My pc has ddr5, but only 2 16gig sticks

[ornate saffron]

128 in my main because it was cheaaaaappppp ddr4 3200.

My laptop has 64 and my potato NAS has 16

[zenith pecan]

Two of my pc's use ddr4 🤣

[quasi warren]

....I always picture that one Walter white image whenever someone abbreviates cyberpunk

[true mulch]

Never abbreviate competitive programming

[lunar python]

Hank! Dont abbreviate cyberpunk!!

[quasi warren]

YES THAT ONE

[zenith pecan]

I only installed the ram I have because I tend to play around with video editing etc.

That i found myself using most of it for satisfactory was pure luck that I did otherwise my pc might have exploded.

[glad carbon]

Tbh, limitations or not, the game is still perfectly fun

[zenith pecan]

Though it is amusing that my now-old gpu has more memory than many pcs out in the world 🤣

[ornate saffron]

Its interesting my 4 y/o laptop is essentially new now that they are making 3060s again

[zenith pecan]

My laptop has a 3050ti (4gb lmao), I wish it had more but laptop and I built it with spares/repairs parts off Ebay for £250 so I can't really moan.

[quasi warren]

I think this is leading more to #off-topic-tech

[ornate saffron]

Got mine on clearance for 799 CAD

[ornate saffron]

You are correct

[zenith pecan]

One underrated change made in game was changing items like foundations etc to simple objects, removing a lot of calculations from them cut the games ram footprint by a significant chunk (depending on how nuts you are with construction)

[quasi warren]

Simple objects?

? Im confused-

[zenith pecan]

Before, every item in game had all the numbers and parameters, all of which have a real cost (individually negligible) but when you have hundreds of thousands of them on the map, it all piles up, now foundations, walls and such, strip most of the unneeded data for that particular entity. (I'm so bad at typing)

[quasi warren]

Ohhh ok

[glad carbon]

#screenshots i think it looks nice for a control unit

[lament sedge]

Hey all I’m still a bit stuck on this issue from a few days back, I’m struggling to get my manifolds to work despite being able to get them working fine much earlier on. Is it not possible to start an iron smelting manifold with two 30pm inputs? It worked perfectly fine at the start, filling up the first until the main flow moves onto the second, but now I just can’t get them to work!

I understand why it would not work, it’s splitting the 60 into 30 which just matches the smelters output, but it was working earlier!

[untold moat]

Can you go a bit more into detail on how it's not working, how many smelters it's feeding, the amount it's inputting, and the belt tier?

[lament sedge]

Sure!
I’ve got two miner Mk1s merging into a single Mk1 conveyor, maxing it to 60pm.
I’m splitting that into a manifold with 4 smelters, all of them are using Mk1 conveyors too.
In the early hours of the game, I had this same set up and it worked fine, filling the first smelter until the conveyor before it filled up. I took that apart and rebuilt it in (I believe) the exact same way, and now the first smelter doesn’t fill up

I think I understand why it’s not working, the 60pm input being split into 30pm therefore matching the smelter, so I’m just baffled as to what’s changed and why it seemed to work fine earlier

[lunar python]

what purity were your previous ores in the working setup?

[void cliff]

it won't fill up because production = consumption.

[lament sedge]

Impure, I’m using the same ore I just turned the miners a diff direction

[lunar python]

this

if your production matches consumption you can toggle 1 of the smelters until the belts fill up if it bothers you much

[lament sedge]

That’s so strange I swear it was working before?! Like I sat back feeling all proud of my first working manifold and everything

[void cliff]

if you put a single stack in each machine and use LOAD BALANCING (not manifolds) it should be perfectly efficient and never run out of materials or back up.

[reef basin]

you don't need everything filled up tho

[reef basin]

it will be perfectly efficient even with manifolds

[void cliff]

true, and saying "it's not working" is a bit of a false description

[lament sedge]

Well not working as in it’s not matching all the ones I’ve looked up and tried to learn from, I figured it filling all the smelters to capacity was the goal

I’ve got brain worms or something, oh well I’ll have to do some serious rearranging then, thanks yall

[sick falcon]

1250 power slugs on the map and i still run out of power shards 😭

[coral marsh]

Tier 9, synthetic with MAM research

Also, its great knowing all I need to do now for nuclear power startup is finish my train track for aluminium casings

[coral marsh]

Did you sloop them all?

If not, wait till tier 9 and start underclocking your machines

Then get synthetic power shards

[keen vault]

wait for artificial power slug update

[coral marsh]

Setup a few industrial storages and a dimensional depot you'll have around 10 thousand easy

[coral marsh]

Mod for that

[keen vault]

o yo i might need that

[gloomy tusk]

how hard is it to automate making synthetic power slugs

[coral marsh]

You need a few things, dark matter residue, particle accelerators, quantum encoders, converters maybe a manufacturer depending on the recipe of one item

[gloomy tusk]

[coral marsh]

Itsnfor synthetic power shards not slugs

[gloomy tusk]

is it one of the hardest recipes in game

[sick falcon]

english?

[gloomy tusk]

fr 🙏

[sick falcon]

it’s definitely not the hardest i heard there’s a part that takes 275 machines to manufacture

[wary remnant]

Where did you get that from? Load balancing specifically does not require input buffers to be full, just enough for a current and next cycle.
Filling a buffer when only a fraction is required is very process inefficient - leave that to the "manifold".

[void cliff]

60 items per minute belts move slow, could easily see two machines being fed that dropping below the minimum quantity required to start fabricating when fed the exact amount needed

[coral marsh]

That is English

I dont speak any other language besides physics

Okay thats a lie, I can speak a tiny bit of French and I am half fluent in Te Reo Maori

[void cliff]

some people like efficiency and balance. I like oversaturating all my production lines!!

[coral marsh]

I can speak Maori, but I cant type it off the top of my head

[zenith pecan]

I stick with English since it's my main language, Switching character sets is a bit irritating (and my grammar is horrible)

[tranquil zinc]

I don't understand power switches, If I am trying to turn off a prod facility connected to B connection its fine to turn off. But if I turn it on my whole powergrid shuts off

what is happening? Also Max consumption < Capacity

[zenith pecan]

The artistic choice of using say cyrillic in latin text makes my brain kind of 🤯 , Я (ya) is not R, Д (d) is not an A, Ш (sh) isn't a W 🤣

[reef basin]

isn't there also something like p that is actually r? 😄

[zenith pecan]

Yeah it's a rolled R.

[stiff fable]

1.2 news when?

[dusky hedge]

turning everything on at the same time uses more power than when some machines are idle

[zenith pecan]

No Idea.

[reef basin]

(my knowledge of russian language comes purely from Dota 2 russians, so I know when they type report in cyrlic 😄 )

[tranquil zinc]

I don't understand. Production facility connected to B is only 900 MW, my capacity is 22K

[reef basin]

when they announce them

[zenith pecan]

You've likely seen some of the creative & colourful curses that I'll refrain from typing in here (in either script)

[tranquil zinc]

I think I am misunderstanding how power switches are supposed to work. I thought it was a way to power off specific production facilities right?

[modest kernel]

Greeny what is your factory planner called?

[keen vault]

what could i use trains for rn?

[reef basin]

||cyka blyat|| is a classic

[dusky hedge]

think of it as an isolation switch

[tranquil zinc]

It does that, but when I turn it back on then the whole grid blows out

[ornate saffron]

When something is announced I imagine it'll be in #dev-streams

[zenith pecan]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[modest kernel]

Thank You

[coral marsh]

My all time personal favorite is "saint puton de merde"

[tranquil zinc]

which means what? Dunno what this is supposed to mean

[keen vault]

what could i use trains for rn?

[coral marsh]

Riding

[dusky hedge]

it separates a section of the grid with a switch

[tranquil zinc]

Like my goal is to have something which can turn off specific production facility. Instead of just deleting the cable and creating it again

[stiff fable]

Why would you not use trains?

[keen vault]

anything for logistic part?

[fickle locust]

Is that Russian? I know Russians took a lot of stuff from French

[keen vault]

i have no ideas on how

[zenith pecan]

||сука блять|| in the cyrillic script.

[coral marsh]

Its French for "holy fucking shit" and it is, so beautiful to say

[untold moat]

It annoys me too, especially when the word is also can be 100% in cyrillic

[tranquil zinc]

which means I can turn of a section of a grid with just one switch right? But the problem is that when I turn it on again the whole grid blows out

[dusky hedge]

@tranquil zinc you must have the potential for more draw than supply for it to blow

[fickle locust]

Oui je sais I wasn't sure if you were saying this was also in Russian

[coral marsh]

Well yea you can transport any ore, any item or any liquid/gas

[coral marsh]

Nah fair

[tranquil zinc]

Consumption is 11K, Max consumption is 17K. Production and Capacity is at 23.2K

math is not mathing

[zenith pecan]

Sometimes if I read those abominations out aloud, it sounds like I'm summoning some kind of cosmic horror 🤣

[keen vault]

should i make an outside storage area away from my factory to use for this? or u got any ideas since im doing a factory rebuild anyway

[untold moat]

Is that max consumption of the zone, or across the board?

[void cliff]

I don't use them because I don't want to learn. if the grid goes down, it goes down. and we make another rocket fuel plant and continue production.

[tranquil zinc]

across the board. Right now there is no isolated production facility except the one I am trying to create now which is just 903 MW

[coral marsh]

It depends on so many factors like, you wont ever use 1 train for everything, you'll use multiple trains for multiple reasons and setups, it depends on what you need in one area and in another

Its not as easy as "just build a loop and use it"

[dusky hedge]

tried restarting the game? if hwat you say is true it has to be bugged

[fickle locust]

What happens when you connect it not with a power switch?

[keen vault]

should i make use of them when i start using the later ores?

[stiff fable]

If you need a challenge I've got one for you: make computers without iron or copper

[void cliff]

I use 1 train all the time in phase 3, they're just easier to set up than trucks.

[coral marsh]

Generally if you are building a big ir giant factory in one area thats far away from like, 3 or 4 different ores/liquids/gasses that you'll need for that one factory

[fickle locust]

Trains are good for transporting large quantities of goods long distances. That can be bringing ores to an extraction site (ex. caterium delivered to a place with iron/limestone/copper), or products you've made to a factory for further finishing (aluminum ingots to a factory where you'll make casings)

[tranquil zinc]

It functions normally. Again my problem is that after turning off the prod facility connected to B AND THEN turning it back on will blow the fuse

[tranquil zinc]

already tried it

[untold moat]

CHEЯИОВУL

[dusky hedge]

i put them on my hyper cannons

[zenith pecan]

Reads like sneyaiovul ...

[coral marsh]

Ah, one of the worst nuclear disasters

[tranquil zinc]

I tried connecting the facility to A and the whole grid to B. It just turns everything off

[untold moat]

You got any power storages?

[fickle locust]

This actually is described behavior on the wiki. Don't know why, but it is.

If the Power Switch is on and a non-tripped grid is linked with a tripped grid, the resulting combined grid will be tripped. Disabling the Power Switch may allow one grid to function while the other one remains tripped.

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Power_Switch

[untold moat]

What the hell do you mean one of? Is there even a worse one?

[tranquil zinc]

no

[void cliff]

sounds like you need another rocket fuel power plant

[coral marsh]

technically america dropping 2 atomic bombs on Japan and Russian dripping the Tsar Bomba

[untold moat]

Useful for toggling power gens so fuel can saturate.

[tranquil zinc]

What? I don't understand. Why then bother with power switch if will not turn on off a specific grid then?

[untold moat]

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are safe to inhabit. The Tsar Bomba is also habitable. Chernobyl is NOT

[tranquil zinc]

so how do you guys deal with getting a "central remote" to turn on and off a prod facility?

[dusky hedge]

if htats the case, make sure there are no power producers on the smaller grid

[untold moat]

I believe priority switches is the easy method, otherwise get ready for a LOT of cable work

[dusky hedge]

it cant be tripped if it has no power supply

[coral marsh]

Im like 90% sure you get what I mean bro. Ah fk it, not worth it

[untold moat]

It isolates the grid

[zenith pecan]

Nuclear devices use a small amount of fissile material, while only a tiny amount actually reacted, there wasn't loads left on the map afterwards, when a nuclear reactor goes kaboom there is loads of fissile material, fission products and activated debris, like by orders of magnitude more.

[fickle locust]

I think this is right, he needs the power priority switch
I honestly forgot there were multiple types

[tranquil zinc]

oh wait, I have 6 coal power plants in this prod facility (to use water byproduct of aluminum prod) Maybe this is whats causing it?

[dusky hedge]

isolate them with a switch

[untold moat]

Wet concrete is a better water disposal method i hear (for people who decide to not recycle it)

[dusky hedge]

better to recycle the watre back to ally prod anyway

[buoyant token]

Anyone looking to run a game online I've beaten the game solo and would just like some friends to play with as non of my other friends have the game I'm on playstation btw

[tranquil zinc]

I have all liquids are gasses mods so VIP junction will not work

[tranquil zinc]

Was not planning on importing limestone on this facility

[dusky hedge]

dont need them, you can either separate the machines or use a valve

[coral marsh]

Wait even water? So steam? Thats cool but what about oil

[tranquil zinc]

got it now. It was the coal powerplants in the prod facility that is tripping the whole grid

[coral marsh]

What gas does the mod turn oil into

[tranquil zinc]

no, it just means that liquids will behave as gasses. It means no headlift and sloshing. But I primarily use it cause I gave up trying to troublehsoot my recycled plastic/rubber facility and why its not 100% running

[reef basin]

we have #1201555265942724758, though usually people don't like to play with randoms

[void cliff]

you can typically recycle water easily with valves or by figuring out how to do priority water mergers with junctions. I dont think it's that hard to do, but I've also been downvoted on reddit a lot for stating that and sharing diagrams on how to do it.

[reef basin]

vavles are bad and shouldn't be used

[zenith pecan]

Understandable, I've had some profoundly poor experiences when joining randoms.

[tranquil zinc]

after using the mod, my problem was fixed. So some mysterious water attributes are the cause

[coral marsh]

Thats interesting though.
I reckon itd be fun if we got a machine that turned water into steam for pipe transport and so we could recondense the steam at the other end

Like a, boiler

[untold moat]

Did they make valves not do anything weird or are they still weird as hell?

[buoyant token]

Oof that sucks lol

[untold moat]

You may like the Modular Power mod

[dusky hedge]

not sure what issues everyone is having, they seem to do what i expect them to do
but they do seem unpopular 🙂

[coral marsh]

I can have a look at it

[untold moat]

Its mainly when a pipe is not at 100% though put capacity

[dusky hedge]

thats kind of the only time you need to use them thou right?

[tranquil zinc]

its not the pipe problem though. Cause gases are not affected

[dusky hedge]

a full pipe wont6 let water backflow

[tranquil zinc]

hence water voodoo magic

[dusky hedge]

i had an issue when 2 half pipes merging was sloshing and stopping the extractor from producing, a valve on each at the junction fixed up and full pipes from then on

[untold moat]

Yes and no. Its a frequent use case, but sometimes people try to make it like a diode/one way valve, which makes... issues.

[dusky hedge]

ah youre right, i do use it for a one way traffic on a loop back

[zenith pecan]

I swore off valves a long time ago, I even had fluid go the wrong way through one, draining a fluid tower which shouldn't have happened, ever.

[void cliff]

a valve is like a bandaid to fix a problem that shouldn't be happening, but is happening and you can't solve the real problem, they work fine, but will require manual changes if you change the inputs or outputs, so they can be annoying

[reef basin]

a valve is more problems than fixes

[dusky hedge]

@untold moative been thinking of a way to reduce sloshing with a slight uphil rise to a drop back to the system and maybe the dreaded buffer but havent been able to play lately

[void cliff]

how's that? say you want to recycle 180 water and need 90 fresh water. Just put a valve limited to 90 fresh water on the inlet manifold. Boom! Roasted! problem solved

[zenith pecan]

To me, now, a valve is just an accessible off switch for a pipe, I have yet to use one outside of a liquid biofuel plant I had in the past, which was to turn off the output from a buffer there.

[reef basin]

just... don't merge

with valve you don't prevent issues if the production stops for whatever reason

[dusky hedge]

the valve wont work in that situation as a reducer, but it can work to stop the extracotrs from filling the loop back when productions stops

even at 90 pm it will fil up the system and block the loop back if its not separated with a valve

[void cliff]

can always just dump the entire pipeline to restart the system, but I never have any issues with my aluminum factory starting and stopping constantly (production backed up all the time)

[reef basin]

not merged approach is just way more stable

[dusky hedge]

if the fresh supply is unable to fil the loop back, when the scrap blocks up the alumina keeps producing to consume the water from the loop back and it creates room for when prod starts up again

its foolproof if you starve the alumina just a little, so the longer the system runs the emptier the loop bakck pipe will get

[lusty ferry]

Evening all. Does anyone know of a way or console command to remove ALL of your foundations rather than doing it 50 at a time? Thanks.

[dusky hedge]

its the new game button on load screen

[lusty ferry]

Oh ha ha

[lunar snow]

is there a way (with or without mods) to get rid of natural landmarks like those big tree looking rock structures?

i know theres mods that add then but

[reef basin]

not without mods
possibly with mods, but idk

[lunar snow]

thats why im asking

[quasi warren]

Yea

I have a mod that atleast gets rid of the annoying giant balloon trees in the red forest and swamp

Not sure about the giant trees tho

[reef basin]

better to ask on a modding discord tbh

[lunar snow]

i just get annoyed by those giant arches when building

[lunar snow]

yeah

[dire salmon]

does liquid biofuel work in fuel powered generators or is it only used to be packed into vehicle fuel

[reef basin]

it does (the fuel gen tells you that)

[dire salmon]

oh ok ive just never used it personally

[west sluice]

i m going to crash out

[white dawn]

There's a little orange gas-can icon next to the input buffer in power generator buildings -- click on that and it'll tell you the consumption rates (at 100% clock) for all fuels you have unlocked that the generator supports

[novel veldt]

do yall think they'll ever patch bhopping

[dire salmon]

thats a thing??

[novel veldt]

indeed

[zealous urchin]

whats bhopping

[novel veldt]

idk if its well known, it probably is lol

[quasi warren]

Best movement mechanic tbh

[west sluice]

i do it all the time and if they remove it i am legitimately never updating

[zealous urchin]

bhopping is integral mechanic

[west sluice]

no let me careen off into the void at 1000 kmph dont get rid of it

[zealous urchin]

made on purpose

[lusty ferry]

Is it the crouch slide jump thing?

[novel veldt]

i hoped so

[novel veldt]

yup

[lusty ferry]

Oh yeah, that on on tier 4 belts is good fun

[west sluice]

could anyone help me out? i dont know how to fit 16 inputs into 10 outputs evenly

[reef basin]

merge all, manifold

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |

[dire salmon]

greeny WHAT is your pfp 🤤

WRONG ONE

I MEANT 😭

[west sluice]

thank you!

[reef basin]

other option - build 16 machines instead of 10 and hook 1:1

[novel veldt]

its okay we all get hungry for gummies

[west sluice]

i cant, my 10 assemblers need a total of 500 cable per minute and i need 16 constructors for that, i got no overclocking or alt recipes yet

i think manifolds will do tho

[dire salmon]

i eat gummy cherries as part of my lunch ot is so fire..

[reef basin]

get clocking then and underclock

clocking is most powerful logistical tool we have

[west sluice]

waaaaaaaaah i'll see if i can get it

thank!

[novel veldt]

wait how do you underclock or am i just not far enough in the game

[obsidian quail]

drag the power bar to the left 😉

[oak nymph]

How big is 72 water extractor like does it takes a hell lot of place

[quasi warren]

Once you unlock clocking itself. You can overclock and underclock

Its in the powerslug research tree

[reef basin]

72 times one extractor 😛

[oak nymph]

Nah for real

[novel veldt]

no i am definitely playing the game wrong im convinced at times

[reef basin]

I mean build one and you'll get the idea 😄

[obsidian quail]

dw man, i just started playing a month or so ago and im constantly finding out new shit. its the perfect AuDHD game.

[quasi warren]

EXACTLY.

Im AuDHD aswell. This game scratches something in my brain

[novel veldt]

IT IS THO but my factory looks like my thought processes. i just posted it in screenshots, and seeing the other factories i am very concerned for myself

[quasi warren]

THATS THE BEST WAY TO EXPLAIN IT LMFAO

[oak nymph]

Holy shit nuclear power plant are massive

[obsidian quail]

I keep building up like 4 different factories located all over the place. it never ends, and I love it. starting to try building these big factories now i was mainly doing 1:1 kinda stuff.

[void cliff]

In my opinion - don't bother. If you have packaged liquid biofuel, use it in biomass burners instead. It will consume only what is needed and not just burn all your liquid biofuel up for no reason.

[drowsy kelp]

You’re not gonna get two deloreans of juice out of a tin can

[dire salmon]

im making so much other power that my biomass burners are consuming like 0.01 every minute

[lusty ferry]

Remind me, how many refineries to fuel generators is it not an exact science with those?

[void cliff]

that's a GOOD thing with biomass burners because they require manual refilling. I'm just saying IF you want to use liquid biofuel, use biomass burners, not fuel generators because fuel generators will burn excess fuel with reckless abandon. I burned through an entire industrial container of them trying to start up a huge fuel plant with it.

[obsidian quail]

can't you belt into biomass burners?

[dire salmon]

yeah i have solid biofuel going in because i cant be bothered to make it liquid but either way it works

[void cliff]

liquid just allows for an extra sloop step and is more efficient than solid

[dire salmon]

eh oh well its only producing like 300 mw altogether

[novel veldt]

are biomass burners even worth keeping around when you have stuff like coal powered generators?

[void cliff]

it's by no means a good way to make power, but if you want to do it for challenge or a specific convenience reason

[dire salmon]

i usually use biomass burners to start up coal power plants when i first get them

[novel veldt]

fair enough

wait but you put power plants in plural; couldnt you just power the others up with one power plant?

[dire salmon]

on the topic of power i have NO idea how to make a good nuclear power plant because im so used to fuel / coal because ive only gotten to nuclear once

[void cliff]

they also overclock to 75 MW each, not terrible, but the main reason to use liquid biofuel with a biomass burner (instead of a fuel generator) is to avoid wasting biomass, which has manual interaction to make it

[dire salmon]

no i mean in every world i do to start up my first coal plant i use biomass burners

[novel veldt]

ohh sorry

[dire salmon]

nah youre good

[novel veldt]

yall ever fortnite your way up cliffs

using ramps n stuff

[fluid crow]

ofc

[novel veldt]

fav activity

[void cliff]

what's fortnite have to do with anything, sorry?

[fluid crow]

the big power poles towers are pretty overpowered

[dire salmon]

lambder..

[void cliff]

zipline, jetpack, ramps, and ladders all day

[rain hollow]

I have finished automating basic aluminum except for two steps

Mining and transporting bauxite

The other stuff if is automatic now

I just need to manually put bauxite into the refinery to make alumina solution

[fluid crow]

you must like working end to beginning

[novel veldt]

i call this a difficulty tweak

[rain hollow]

No it's because I was able to do everything but transport automatically with what I have unlocked

I would need drones to do it efficiently I think

Because my bauxite node is across a massive valley that drops down meaning it's like a big hole between the two places

[void cliff]

you're in phase 4 you got trains, my man

[fluid crow]

I started mine out with just a singe car train (that got a few other things also)

[rain hollow]

I would still need to go all the way around because I can't just put the tracks on air without building a bridge all the way across and then dismantling it after the tracks are built

For now I'm at the bauxite node and have ten portable miners set up. I'm gonna collect 4,000 bauxite then grab all the miners and head back

[fluid crow]

build the bridge

[rain hollow]

That'll take too long

And I don't feel like it

[dark eagle]

yo what phase do you unlock smart splitters? i cant remember what they're called but like the ones that can send a certain item to a certain conveyor belt

[rain hollow]

None of them, it's a research node in the MAM

[dark eagle]

OH.

[rain hollow]

It's under quartz if I remember correctly

[dark eagle]

which one?

alright. tysm

[void cliff]

just need to build foundation towers, it's not too complicated. my point is that drones are much less efficient than trains

[rain hollow]

I think splitters are caterium but I may be wrong

[fluid crow]

is caterium

[reef basin]

I guess it depends on what do you call "efficient"

f.e. if setup-time-efficient, then drones win big time

[void cliff]

what I mean is that drones aren't great for high throughput that aluminum/bauxite needs. so efficiency is the wrong word.

[reef basin]

well you can get more drones to have more throughput. But yeah, it's kinda annoying to transport large amounts through drones. (though there's also the question why transport things and not build near the nodes they need or something, so that you don't have to transport as much)

[feral jay]

Just turned on another 80 fuel generators, w00t

[pastel surge]

#screenshots message are these hard drive options good

[fluid crow]

relative to your situation.

[pastel surge]

It doesnt matter to me

But i think the 1st one looks better

[fluid crow]

if you are going to pick one I would say so

[cyan leaf]

Ngl if u have a lot of room the 1st one is good cause u have to go into assemblers but tue 2nd choice is better for space and iron is like the most common material ever 😭 in my opinon

[rain hollow]

I just finished tier 7

[cyan leaf]

Great! Wait is tier 7 phase 4?

[elfin monolith]

It is. It and Tier 8.

[white linden]

Anybody know if this was already reported, I did already dismantle this crash site, but at a certain view distance it is still visible.

#screenshots message

Found its not unique, found a second example.

[white dawn]

Yeah, there's various reports for it. eg: https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/67f558a16b7c57319636539d / https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/683726076b7c57319637cb96 / https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/68017a186b7c573196367a59 / https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/685e045e6b7c5731963939e3 / https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/6891045c6b7c5731963a1329

[white linden]

Thx.

[white dawn]

(I link primarily just in case you feel like upvoting any of those. :)

[shrewd mortar]

Hello @slow widget

[void cliff]

to dismantle or to leave crash sites alone, is a great philosophical question. They add a certain aesthetic to the game that can never be recovered (or can it with SCIM? idk) but my dedicated server often the scanner shows they have a hard drive even after they have been dismantled or empty, sometimes. so dismantling them helps me at least visually confirm that the scanner is wrong.

[pastel dawn]

You need overclocking unlocked from MAM (power slugs I think)

Then you can go under 100% as well

[rain hollow]

How far away from my base should nuclear power be?

[dense violet]

wherever it's convenient

[cyan leaf]

😭omg ur so far ahead of me im jelly

[wicked nacelle]

I’ve never found it useful for it to be anywhere close by. Since uranium is so inconvenient you’ll have to ship it so may as well ship it somewhere remote

[placid stirrup]

What's a 'base'?

[leaden turret]

where you stick the hub

[leaden turret]

-# I link because it's dangerous to go alone

[placid stirrup]

Put the HUB in the nuclear facility

[leaden turret]

no seasons in satisfactory, no need to stay toasty from radiation

[placid stirrup]

Keeps intruders away, I'm an introvert

[sick falcon]

is there no quarter foundation

[leaden turret]

only in the sense that:

• a 1m foundation is 1/4 a 4m foundation
• corner foundations

[oak nymph]

Quick is it bad to put a pump on a pipe when it's not required

[leaden turret]

depends on if you're too tired to notice if:

• you put it on the right way around
• you forgot to plug it in

[oak nymph]

I just want it put one just to be sure

[quasi warren]

I once put a pump. And completely spaced to power it

I wondered why my oil plant wasnt working

Untill I found that one pump that ruined everything

[dense violet]

it's fine

[dense violet]

soudns like you borked something significantly, like putting it like right next to a junction , or semi on a bend creating a wonky connection

[quasi warren]

It just wasnt powered-

I had to use a pump to go up. I didnt want to use one. But I had to. Completely spaced to power it

[dense violet]

ah right missed that part of the msg xD

[tranquil zinc]

rocky desert or dune desert for my planned 40/min heavy encased frame?

rocky has more limestone for moulded alt recipes but dune has more iron. choices....

[zealous urchin]

for just 40 it dsnt make a big difference tbf

[tranquil zinc]

I wanted to make more but found out that for the next one, fused modular frame, the hard part is the lots of aluminum casing

[pastel surge]

Nice and neat, 4 modular frames per minute. What do you guys think #screenshots message

[void cliff]

What do you guys do when you’re bored AF at work? Start sketching out factories on graph paper?

[cyan leaf]

Ngl why didnt u make the plates also horizontal 😭 everything looks so clean then u get to the constructors

[pastel surge]

I think, trying to model stuff in blender

[pastel surge]

Huh?

[cyan leaf]

Like everything is lined up perfectly but the plates is so goofyyyy

Wait whoops meant furnaces

[pastel surge]

Oh

Its fine

[void cliff]

Smelters in this game. Belts are clipping to high hell

[pastel surge]

You havent seen my other stuff ig

[dire needle]

is there any diffrence of having 2 locomotives attatched to each other vs having 1 in front and 1 furthest back of the train?

[dense violet]

facing the same way? shouldn't be a diff

[fickle locust]

I recently did this exact number in the top left of rocky desert, used most of the iron/coal/limestone in that area
But the crater up in the top right of dune desert is also a great spot

[void cliff]

How they align with the freight platforms at the station.

[dire needle]

if i have 2 locomotives furthest in the front would i need 2 stations or only one?

[void cliff]

Depends on the recipes used and if you are making steel, imo, but I’d pick dune for the extra iron.

[void cliff]

You might need an empty platform, but I am not entirely sure

[cyan leaf]

Rocky cause there is a spot perfect for encased

[fickle locust]

My 40 HMF in the very top left of rocky desert #screenshots message

[oak nymph]

Is there a easy way to make plutonium fuel rode I want to sink them and I have 360 uranium waste/min

[tranquil zinc]

rocky desert it is then 👍👍

[cyan leaf]

How much of everything but encased u popping into it? I've been thinking of doing something similar

[lunar snow]

How can i stop my refinery from clogging up with water while producing aluminum scrap? I have two identical setups, all overclocked and set to be a perfect ratio but one of my production lines just keeps getting clogged up with water in the pipes. The same exact mirror of it has zero issues tho.

[ornate saffron]

I play in my head. Think of design ideas. Look at the architecture on my commutes. Think about how I can achieve it gsme

[oak nymph]

I don't care about making a lot of plutonium fuel rode I just want to use all my uranium waste

[lunar snow]

it uses 450, i down clocked it to only produce 420 water but its still making more than the pipes can handle

[void cliff]

Easiest way is to sink excess water by wet concrete or packaging it. Recycling methods work, too but everyone hates them and they hate you if you think it works well!

[cyan leaf]

Upgrade to mk2 if possible

[ornate saffron]

Use the water.

Coal generators

Wet cement

Any pure recipe

Package and sink it

[lunar snow]

yeah i have it set up as a reycle loop for simplicity but its just causing problems

[dense violet]

there's a much simpler method

I'll ping you in #math-and-meta

[fickle locust]

I'm using Encased but doing Modular Frames with Bolted (screws and plates). The concrete requirement is huge, I'm pulling all four of the nearby pure limestone nodes because I need limestone to max iron production, concrete for the molded steel pipes, and of pure concrete and encased beams (made, of course, out of pipes). So it's a bunch of refineries for pure concrete, a bunch of foundries for pipes, and a good number of foundries for iron+limestone making iron ingots to be converted into steel

[sick falcon]

should i package gases before transporting them by train

[dense violet]

yes, they behave terribly in buffers

[void cliff]

Try flushing the whole pipe network. Could just be a temporary issue.

[sick falcon]

how so

[fickle locust]

Yes, you get 4x the amount transported if you package

[void cliff]

What’s the volume of a single bottle? I know the gas compresses to 4X, but how does a full freight train of bottles compare to the max 2400 m3 of a fluid car?

32 stacks, or 3200 bottles which would be 12,800 m3 per freight car in bottles (if they are 1 m3 each, but I can’t remember the volume)

[dense violet]

they just wreck the flow

just really really bad to manage

[lunar snow]

ive been flushing it every so often for the last few hours, even decreasing all the pumps and still the same issue

[oak nymph]

Is there a simple way to manage uranium waste ( I don't want it store it)

[lunar snow]

idk how its producing more than its set to

[dense violet]

plutonium rods

[dense violet]

it'll be back flow issues

[fickle locust]

Nitrogen stacks to 100 and a train can carry 32 stacks
So 3200 nitrogen gas tanks, which turns into 12,800 as you said

[oak nymph]

There isn't simpler cause the graph is big as hell

[ornate saffron]

No dealing with the waste is the cost of the power

[dense violet]

have the bauxite on this plan made elsewhere and it's fine https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=M0GD6NXgeudbmCw1W4AQ

[fickle locust]

That's the point of nuclear: the power is great, the waste is a big problem

[dense violet]

it really isn't

it's trivial using BPs to make a storage system in a short period of time that will last longer than the vast majority of people's total game play time

and p rods are also simple if you use a few alts and drones.
Drones basically remove any complexity from the number of types of resources you need

[void cliff]

Huge sink points with p rods, too. Win win

[ornate saffron]

The sink likes p rods

[dense violet]

Drones are basically teleporters. Any system that suddenly needs 9 types resours from the ground up isn't difficult when you get to that point.

if you want it to be simple

even ficsonium rods, which are dumb, are simpleish if you look at it as it's own step. A few drones wlil bring you what you need

[sick falcon]

that sucks i want big tanks full of gas, they add so much je ne sequoia to a factory

[sick falcon]

what fuel do you recommend

[dense violet]

make a fake aesthetic tank to pretend to store it? clip the pipe through it

[dense violet]

anything really works. At that point though I like giving them plutonium rods though.

I don't care about the radiation

[void cliff]

Aren’t ficsonium rods negative net power? Takes more power to make one than it generates? Or are they mostly unfavorable because they use SAM?

[dense violet]

it is a nice colour!

[dense violet]

apparently they are very slightly positive

[sick falcon]

fluid tank
look inside
gas

[daring sonnet]

can i join a vc with someone im so alone pls just one lol

[dense violet]

gasses are fluids 😛

[sick falcon]

so they are 😭

i didnt pay attention in physics

[pastel dawn]

You may want to make some improvements to your diet, sir.

But also Jupiter has liquid core prolly.

[dense violet]

butt gasses are also fluids

[pastel dawn]

✏️

[summer coral]

do drop pods spawn when you complete milestones? using the interactive map to find some and theres a new one i couldve sworn i got already very close to where im based

[sick falcon]

why cant trucks just be electric

[summer coral]

oh

then whys the map say another drop pod, farther out hasnt spawned yet

[pastel surge]

Real

Have like a electric one or smth

[fluid crow]

factory cart best truck

[feral jay]

Question for the wiki editors: if I wanted to update the wiki for fuel (https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Fuel) to include the stack size in the right sidebar, how would I go about that?

[pastel surge]

Non electric trucks in the grand 26🥀

[ornate saffron]

They can be. Just insert a battery

[pastel surge]

What battery

[void cliff]

Trucks certainly lose their utility as you stray from coal/oil nodes. Setting up logistics to fuel your logistics is something I hate doing

[feral jay]

Thanks, I've mostly corrected spelling/grammar errors, but I don't really know how modern wikis actually work

[sick falcon]

if trucks didnt have the fuel requirements they would be a nice medium distance niche for single nodes or resources that you dont want to set up a full train line for

[feral jay]

I've already made a few edits a while back but the sidebar stuff is put there in some other way, you can't just "edit" it

[pastel surge]

Well isnt the fuel requirement, basically anything combustible

[feral jay]

@leaden turret

[leaden turret]

@true mulch @reef basin is that a docs integration thing or a manual thing?

[feral jay]

I have no idea, I just looked it up now, hoping to find the stack size, and it wasn't there, and I can't figure out how to put it there

More than happy to do that myself, I just need some direction

(As I work the bugs out of this new power plant...)

[leaden turret]

I pinged them as they'd likely know the answer 😅

I know it's in the docs.json data, just don't know if it's part of the wiki integration

[feral jay]

Most software engineers are lol

[ornate saffron]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Battery

[feral jay]

Heh I recently watched the Satisfactory credits, there's a whole "fur babies" section

[ivory condor]

I miss Zago sometimes

[feral jay]

All it shows up as is Desc_LiquidFuel_C, so I think if I can find a way to change that description, it would show up there

[pastel surge]

For the vehicles it powers, are their alternative options?

[leaden turret]

it shows up on packaged fuel

[feral jay]

Yeah so there's gotta be a way to get it in there for liquid fuel

I guess it's just not there because you can't carry liquid fuel, so nobody thought of it

[dense violet]

yeah they were great.

Zago, not the people

[feral jay]

I had a chat or two with Zago, years back, still remember

[ornate saffron]

Alternate power sources? It varies berries vehicle. Most land vehicles take biomass, coal, all fuels and batteries

[autumn token]

Hello guys, how much time it took in your playthrough to beat the game for the first time?

[feral jay]

Haven't beat it in 3,000 hours

[sick falcon]

230 hours in and im like halfway through phase 4 rn

[feral jay]

But I'm not the norm there

[autumn token]

I am at 150 hours and have automated the first 2 parts of the space elevator

[ornate saffron]

75 hours or so

[oak nymph]

I got the uranium waste situation I had pressure conversion cube of spare so it makes everything easy

[sick falcon]

we got mr speedrunner over here

[feral jay]

If you look it up on howlongtobeat.com or whatever that site is, it's a 200 or 300 hour game

[dense violet]

I think adding PCCs is the more complicated option, as you were wanting it simpler

[ornate saffron]

My playthroughs are getting longer not shorter.

[autumn token]

75 hours for a first playthrough, that's fast

[oak nymph]

Yeah but they were spare they were hanging around

( they weren't really I just somersloop)

[dense violet]

but it is the sort of thing you want to keep making pm. Not rely on spares

[ornate saffron]

I have roughly 1000 hours I've seen credits roll 7 times.

[feral jay]

I've picked the game up at least thrice now because FICSMAS

And xmas holidays are a great time to play

[oak nymph]

Why I mean it isn't in more recipes?

[dense violet]

!wikisearch pressure_conversion_cube

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=pressure_conversion_cube

[oak nymph]

It's only use in nuclear pasta and I already have 1/min nuclear pasta I think it's fine

[autumn token]

there is also a recipe for plutonium fuel rod that im using this pleasure conversion cube for

[oak nymph]

That's what I'm trying to make haha

[autumn token]

i don't know, it feel like its way better than the original

double the production ammount and consumes half more plutonium cell

[pastel surge]

Yeah but do any only take batteries? Or do all vehicles have a alternate source

[feral jay]

Man this generator plant is taking forever to settle, or my pipe layout is shit

[autumn token]

i may be able to run 25 nuclear factorys with this one from impune node

[ornate saffron]

All vehicles have several power sources

[pastel surge]

Okay, thank you

[autumn token]

i am lazy to build so many and start using plutonium rod as fuel for drones 🙂

[feral jay]

Drones use 0.000 plutonium fuel rods/min. Just sayin'

[ornate saffron]

Early the easiest one to aquire is coal.

[autumn token]

i stack 50 rods into my poor drone

[ornate saffron]

Yes sir, and delicious

[autumn token]

i guess it will have energy for months

[undone citrus]

Man I need to automate iron plates and iron rods

I'm only 90 hours into this world trust

[pastel surge]

💀

Thats the first step

[undone citrus]

I wish I was joking

[ornate saffron]

Yes automation would be good. Satisfying even

[pastel surge]

What have you been doing

[undone citrus]

One sec I'll show you

[ornate saffron]

Chasing holo cats

[autumn token]

you need 10k plates later in the game to lock a tier 🙂

[sick falcon]

how does the load only/unload only setting on trains work

[undone citrus]

I built production facility

Building basic iron parts faculty next

I have a plate source

[dense violet]

the platform will only load or unload from cars that stop in front of it

[undone citrus]

But it's bare bones lol, 45 a min

And it's not even on right now cause it's on biofuel grid

[sick falcon]

the setting in the train timetable, not the switch in the platform

[ornate saffron]

I see you pickles and raise you pickles

[dense violet]

ah never messed with it

maybe it doesn't let cars on the train interact with a different load option on a platform?

[oak nymph]

Is it for real?

[dense violet]

vehicles that run on p rods last hours

[pastel surge]

For what parts

Iron plates is the first thing

[undone citrus]

Parts? Nah ingots

[pastel surge]

Irl time?

[pastel surge]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[oak nymph]

Should I spend my 2.7 p rod / min into drone

[pastel surge]

Bro must've been sitting there for 90 hours planning

[undone citrus]

4500 iron/min,
1600 concrete/min
4400 steel/min
750 copper/min

:3

Not excessive at all

[pastel surge]

Very excessive

[undone citrus]

But how am I supposed to automate my plates

Trust

[dense violet]

if you want 🙂 you'd want to store a bunch to fuel vehicles

[undone citrus]

I'm also going to move the ingots via tractor cause it will look cool, and it's a small factory so it will be fast enough it won't cause problems

[autumn token]

i ve noticed that the phase 4 is a lot longer than the previous 3 and phase 5 seems much shorter

in phase 4, you need a lot of raw materials and buildings

[feral jay]

Yeah, I saw that somewhere on the wiki I think, drones use so little plutionium fuel that it rounds to zero (at least to three decimals)

I've never tried it

[fluid crow]

amewsing

[undone citrus]

I want fishing

[oak nymph]

Is it just me or if you put something in a drone port and there is no drone that something vanish

[undone citrus]

I can just drop Slugs as hunting trophies, but that's not good enough

Yes 100%

[ornate saffron]

Big bass has a good arcade machine

[undone citrus]

I have spent a good 50+ hours fishing in video games

(stardew)

[oak nymph]

Same a really good game I 100% it

[undone citrus]

I'm too lazy to 100% it

I just build a big farm

[oak nymph]

But goddamn I hate journey of the prairie king

[undone citrus]

Tf 💀💀

Enslave is a crazy word

[oak nymph]

Worst trophy in game history "fector's challenge"

[undone citrus]

Counter

Beating satisfactory

I will never

[oak nymph]

Oh nah

[ornate saffron]

Naw Stanley parable has the worse trophy

[undone citrus]

I just spent 90 hours on an iron ingot factory and they expect me to make nuclear shit

[oak nymph]

Beating journey of the prairie king without dying is painful

[undone citrus]

I can get that already I'm pretty sure

I've been dumping a crap ton of resources

Yeah I've got 700 tickets from who knows what + 321 in the sink lol

[oak nymph]

What's that is it in the Stanley parable?

[undone citrus]

But if I buy nut I become poor

Lol

Pushing a red button with crying baby noises for 4 hours straight

I agree that sounds like the worst

Or leaving the game open for an entire Tuesday

[ornate saffron]

Don't play the game for ten years

[oak nymph]

Lol that's just annoying

[undone citrus]

Oh yeah that one

Stanley parable 100% speed runs go crazy

[oak nymph]

You can just switch your time. No me but I helped someone platinum this game (100%)

[ornate saffron]

Dr doot goes crazy. He speeds runs games....using the saxophone as his controller

[oak nymph]

Wth

[undone citrus]

I could have bought satisfactory 4 times today

But I'm responsible so I bought a neon shelf

[ivory condor]

Yes, Zago was a sad example of how toxic this community can be, aka not Zago of course😔

[undone citrus]

It's every day bro

[ivory condor]

Zago honestly deserved to be treated better here, shame on this community indeed

[undone citrus]

No one likes my traffic lights idea

Apparently it's cursed

[soft marsh]

Hello folks

I care

respect all setups

[ivory condor]

It left with Zago😔

[undone citrus]

Apparently it's a war crime to clip rails into concrete lol

[ornate saffron]

Ppl say the same thing about pineapple on pizza. If you ain't hurting no one i say go for it

[oak nymph]

Who is zago

Your world your choice

Ananas is way better to be honest only if the "s" is silent

[regal helm]

All is well. I have finally retrieved my coffee cup from the near-bottomless pit

[autumn token]

guys, how can you extract all 1200 resources/minute from a mark 3 belt fully overclocked?

[soft marsh]

Trying to decide what to do with this base resources. Do I minimize the train to what I need? Or do I try to use everything that I'm bringing in?

[autumn token]

there is a mark 6 belt?

dammm

but can you do it with a mk 5?

[dense violet]

decide on what the output you want

[dense violet]

no, otherwise they would have told you

[soft marsh]

Its my power plant, I've already decided its not getting any bigger until I add nuclear. I have a few other resources being made but idk what I could make that I'm not making somewhere else already

[autumn token]

if i could connect a spliter dirrectly to the node it would ve been.... possibile

[soft marsh]

Thought about copper powder but I already have a small powder factory built nearby.

[dense violet]

the game is explicitely designed around not attaching splitters to inputs and outputs

[autumn token]

hm.... wait , actually, there might be a way

[dense violet]

mods? sure

[autumn token]

in my playthrough i had a lot of bugs

[dense violet]

just unlock mk6 belts... jfc

[autumn token]

and rarley it gave me the option to attach a belt to something that was already attached

and got a rare photo of a phanthom belt

[dense violet]

or use the in game settings to unlock tech and costs.

[autumn token]

that's cheeting

mods as well

[quasi belfry]

or just dont use 1200 output

[dense violet]

exploits and bugs are not?

[autumn token]

i kinda want to overclock the nuclear pasta production and i need a lot of copper

[autumn token]

if you found them and not get told about them

its a feature

[dense violet]

....

[autumn token]

Its in ficsit policy you know

explore, EXPLOIT and automate

[dense violet]

anyway on to less insane ideas

[regal helm]

I do it when I want to observe what I've built before it inevitably becomes either a problem or inefficient

[cyan leaf]

Whats a demanding item in phase 4 (in terms of what of the new stuff from pahse 4)?

[quasi belfry]

aluminum

[stuck dagger]

Aluminium

[oak nymph]

Aluminium casing

[dense violet]

yeah bauxite is to phase 4 as iron is to phase 1

kinda.

[cyan leaf]

Other then aluminium cause ik 😭 everything is using aluminium even the basic stuff from oahse 4

[dense violet]

basically just more of everything in the past phases + bauxite

[quasi belfry]

most stuff is reused

[dense violet]

you ned a bit of nitrogen gas but you can easily drone it

[quasi belfry]

maybe like nitrogen gas

[stuck dagger]

Quartz probably

[dense violet]

you can nearly cut quartz from your world

[cyan leaf]

Are like the super motors and supercomputer needed alot?

[stuck dagger]

duh

[dense violet]

all needed.

automate everything , even if it's half assed automation

[oak nymph]

I make 10supercomputer/min and at the point I am it's too much

[void cliff]

You don’t need mark 6 belts for that… single copper node at 780/min feeding refineries making pure copper ingots makes about 1500 ingots, which is exactly how much you need for fully overclocked pasta. Just use 2 manifolds to get them to 2 overclocked constructors, feed each one into the two particle accelerator inputs

[cyan leaf]

Alr alr

[regal helm]

Does the game keep stats? Like something horrific like how many plates you've built?

Scim?

Oh cool!

[willow pond]

i do kinda wish that falling trees would Valheim yeet us into the afterlife

[void cliff]

I think they need to publish a collectible hardback recipe book for this game

[willow pond]

at least we can turn off the camera shake

[stable cloak]

I just realized my spare parts factory (which collects as many components as possible for storage) can make radio control units already by combining three overflow lanes that are already pretty much touching

that's pretty handy

[void cliff]

Radio control units are like the bane of the midgame

[stable cloak]

I''ll have to make a dedicated factory for late game stuff, but I can accrue a steady supply while I explore for doing the teir upgrades

[void cliff]

I don’t think I ever found rcu’s at crash sites

[willow pond]

this might sound dumb but i love early midgame

[stable cloak]

I'm trying to establish a radio tower/power network across the map before I start planning anything else.
Mostly because I don't want to use map tools this playthrough

[lunar python]

slime

[void cliff]

Radio towers are awesome, love em

[stable cloak]

but also I had like, 8 somersloops and I ran out of slugs

[stable cloak]

astute observation

[void cliff]

I refuse to use outside tools or mods in this game until I feel like I’ve beaten it to death

[stable cloak]

I'm putting mine a little closer than they need to be, but the ideal map reveal spots are what they are

[void cliff]

I feel like thy should be elevated above the landscape or they theoretically shouldn’t work below the landscape (even though they do have the same range regardless)

Higher resolution can also narrow down where the last pesky crash sites are. Three overlapping radio towers should reveal crash sites between them 😄

[cyan leaf]

What does radio towers do?

[feral jay]

They reveal stuff on the map

[void cliff]

It basically just puts resource nodes on the map permanently, but if you interface with the radio tower locally, it also tells you how many hard drives, slugs, sloops, Mercer spheres are within the area

[feral jay]

lol the more I play this game, the more I realize that I can multiply well, but I can't really divide...

[void cliff]

Ah, we have calculators for a reason. Being able to do long division in my head is a trick I learned in college

[feral jay]

I have a proper desk calculator that I bust out when I play this game

[void cliff]

lol with printouts? That’s brilliant

[feral jay]

Unfortunately, not a printing calculator

[void cliff]

Just like mom used to do the taxes

[feral jay]

ALthough, that's on my wish list

Given the right calculator, I can add very large columns of very small numbers, very quickly

[void cliff]

How many times I forget the result of my last calculation

[feral jay]

My mother was a teacher and my father was an accountant

[void cliff]

I’m an engineering PM so it’s all excel for me

[zenith sage]

I'm starting to feel like I need 1200 concrete per minute to my depo

[stone python]

youll need more than that

pump those numbers up!

[zenith sage]

At least I'm extremely close to finishing my 72 GW rocket fuel plant

[stone python]

ayyy, all the pooowwwaaaah

[unborn nova]

how many generators is that?

[rapid crater]

Speggeti > straight and neat prove me wrong

[stone python]

288 if you dont OC

[unborn nova]

wow

thas alot

[zenith sage]

288
#screenshots message

[unborn nova]

damnn

thats sick

72gw is 72k right

yea thats a dumb question

[stone python]

72000 mw, ye

[unborn nova]

im making a nuclear thing rn thats 10 nuclear plants at 250%

i think its gonna make like 62k

[zenith sage]

I could've gone straight for nuclear... but I wanted to fill the blue crater with generators hah

Plus rocket fuel is surprisingly fun

[unborn nova]

ye thats cool

[zenith sage]

Just 4 blenders and 20 refineries to power it all

[unborn nova]

4?

wowza

[zenith sage]

Scratch that, 8

[stone python]

its onmly 1200 rocket fuel a min

[unborn nova]

still crazy

are they oc?

[zenith sage]

Nope

[void cliff]

Firing up and idling satisfactory on both PCs just to warm up the basement 😎

[unborn nova]

cool

leme get an ss of what im doing rn

i wasnt prepared at all and i had to jumpstart a tiny plastic factory

so many manufactures dawg

ok @zenith sage peep #screenshots

i dont got all the nuclear plants down yet either

i needa place 3 more but i ran outa super computers

[zenith sage]

I still haven't really looked what's needed for nuclear 🤔

[strong fiber]

Only 62k

[pastel surge]

How does one make that much power

[zenith sage]

Through millions of concrete

[finite mirage]

can u make the size of blueprints adjustable?

[unborn nova]

making small scale ones are pretty easy

but i think the bigger u make them the harder it is to supply the ammount of stuff u need

[zenith sage]

Your limit is 4, 5 or 6 foundations depending on tier of the designer (without mods), but you can make it as small as possible

[zenith sage]

Yeah, I heard it needs a ton of water (plus waste management)

[finite mirage]

i meant adjustable like the conveyor holders yk u click once then u make it bigger

[unborn nova]

ye lol

im not excited to figure out the water logistics

and ill probably just ship the waste away to 500 storage units

[zenith sage]

You can make them stackable and figure out auto connections... not sure what else you might mean...

Like each of these is a cube of 3x6 blueprints stacked: #screenshots message

[finite mirage]

are trains better than hypertubes?

[dense violet]

well hyper tubes are really terrible at moving items

they really aren't comparable

[finite mirage]

for personnel transportation i meant

[dense violet]

up to you they give you different options

[finite mirage]

i always have to move from base to oil nodes

[dense violet]

very very little in this game is the 'best' for any question unless you're very specific

[zenith sage]

Personally I do like trains more for transporting myself, still gotta try out tube cannons tho..

[dense violet]

eh cannons are an exploit

personally I find tubes more convenient than trains and I run tubes under the rails

[finite mirage]

should i make a sky highway

[dense violet]

imo making sky infrastructure is an immediate lose condition

[finite mirage]

or like whats the meta to move around fast and pretty

[dense violet]

get a mod that flattens the map

if that's what you want

[stone python]

do you want fast, or pretty

[finite mirage]

cant have both?

[dense violet]

you can have fast and pretty on the ground

[finite mirage]

how/

[dense violet]

... by building basic infrastructure?

have a tube go somewhere, doesn't take long

make it as pretty as you like

[dense violet]

this has a hyper tube underneath it - it's fast and imo pretty https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1425104545020641300/1425108241725001738/image.png?ex=697c053a&is=697ab3ba&hm=b86f33b69a6103e771ccb9b648de37a531d2d66e70eff570967a05ac28e3d792&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1427&height=495

[finite mirage]

u made a rail+hypertube blueprint?

how do u make it curve like that

[stone python]

you can, i just knew if i said no, people would come in with examples of how i was wrong. 🪤

there are a lot of great architects in the server that make some beautiful stuff. im not one LOL

[dense violet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1417379462814765170/image.png?ex=697b96bd&is=697a453d&hm=7db4952cc4ee490de0f959920b8e4acb67ca9bab1eb919d7066354b52829397a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=631&height=324

[finite mirage]

HOW DID U GET CURVED FOUNDATION

[dense violet]

there's multiple methods you can find on youtube

[finite mirage]

#design-and-architecture message

[soft marsh]

Trying to replace some of my trains with drones and its....not going well lol

[dense violet]

should be easy? what's the issue?

[zenith sage]

I'm officially done with my power plant... 84GW total to 12GW current consumption, I can rest

[soft marsh]

Throughput

[dense violet]

this is a vague throughput for drones - assume its somewhat less it was made before dif types of fuels #math-and-meta message

[soft marsh]

I spent some time watching the to and from where I have it rn and its somewhere between 6 to 9 stacks per trip

[dense violet]

well at most a drone can do 9 stacks per trip

[soft marsh]

Correct.

For this resource its looking like 4 drones will get me what I need

[dense violet]

use the graphs, sort out what you need 🙂 should be very straight forward to add more drones.

just don't put more than 2 drones between 2 ports

[soft marsh]

I've got 4 drones to 1 port rn 🫠

[dense violet]

well we foudn some of your problem

[soft marsh]

2 to 1 port is working well rn

so may just do 2 sets of 2 to 1

[dense violet]

have portas A and B, have 2 drones

if you need more? have ports C and D, have more drones

[soft marsh]

Thats pretty much spot on for what I was about to do lol

[dense violet]

the landing animation for drones is like a full minute or something

the trip between ports is usually much smaller

[soft marsh]

The flying animation irks me a bit

I have my base in a canyon and the flying path puts it right through my base lol

[dense violet]

afaik the ytry to avoid stuff, but depends on how you place

[willow pond]

for some reason i always like to put one of each slug on the top of the hub

[finite mirage]

is there a shortcut for blueprint menu like x for customizer

[dense violet]

just build tab and swap - create a hot bar with some you can also middle mouse click to sample a blueprint to build it again

[zealous urchin]

one evening for two train lines

but tmrw

distilled silica from 3.9k quartz

[hardy wigeon]

time to make a MODULAR ENGINE

woo me.

[reef basin]

My guess is that it's intentionally not there becase it's fluid

[stray summit]

modular=easy to switch out

what are legos

modular

yall are just making glorified lego sets

[hardy wigeon]

i mean hes not wrong

[stray summit]

130000 peices, 5yrs+

easy to build
-# right?

[hardy wigeon]

hahhaha

[pastel dawn]

If you shoot yourself into an active portal with a hypertube will you come out the otherside at speed?

[surreal rose]

i don't really remember but i'm 70% sure you will

[frosty mirage]

Any reason to produce circuit boards as well or is it enough to produce directly computers and high speed connectors?

[fluid crow]

seems like adaptive control unit is the other thing

[frosty mirage]

So no reason to produce also circuit boards?

[surreal rose]

i don't think so, they like stators

[fluid crow]

phase 5 and I need more power wonder if I should
A) uprgrade TF RF.
B) build RF
C) Nuclear

[surreal rose]

what is tf and rf

[fluid crow]

turbo fuel, rocket fuel

[surreal rose]

all 3 variants at once

[fluid crow]

at once literally probably isn't going to happen

[zenith sage]

I don't see any reason to expand turbo fuel if you can go into rocket fuel tbh

[surreal rose]

i mean step by step

[fluid crow]

I meant convert it to rf

[zenith sage]

Ah, I just demolished all of my turbo and made rocket with nitro alt recipe from scratch, wayyy less stuff needed 😅

[fluid crow]

It has a conversion plan that's easy and will only take down a few generators at a time

but maybe it's better to just build new RF right now

[undone citrus]

I feel accomplished

[fluid crow]

you build some plates?

[undone citrus]

Yes indeed

I may be 92x slower than the average person

But that's okayyyy

[fluid crow]

It's not a race. Ficsit seems to be more lenient than they let on

[void cliff]

Usually you should be able to disconnect a pipe, purge the turbofuel pipe, reconnect a different pipe from RF. And then it’s just a seamless transition. Fuel generators will have TF until it runs out and gets instantly replaced with RF without skipping a beat

[zenith sage]

I'm exactly at a 200h mark and I barely scratched the beginning of phase 4... it's definitely not a quick game hah

[void cliff]

Perfect the craft and the architecture and aesthetics! Embrace going slow!!

[fluid crow]

I guess if I do it fast enough or let the power go out

ig I see what you're saying though

[undone citrus]

True, honestly 92 hours irl is speedrunning sooo

[sterile blade]

If the fluid consumed by the powerplant is more than ~2/3 of the pipe's max flow, it's not unlikely for issues to arise as it takes time (and fluid) to fill up the pipework again and having little "spare flow capacity" can mean having generators start the switch before the pipes are full (thus further delaying how long it takes for the rest of the pipes to fill as they're already sucking fluid out)

TLDR: when close to max flow, it's not lemon-squeezy to switch Fuel without having Generators stutter

[fluid crow]

I was thinking about tuning the power plants around I have enough space for pipes in the middle, then I keep running both fuels until I've switched them all

[sterile blade]

I like to use buffers in this instances. Eg: I often have buffers at the end of pipelines (ie: opposite side of where the input(s) is/are), raised higher than the rest of the pipework so it only takes in overflow. So to swap fluid I'd:

• Connect the buffers to new fluid and let them fill
• Clear the pipework of the old fluid (ofc disconnecting pipes where needed)
• Immediately fill the pipework with new fluid coming from production and buffers

[undone citrus]

I wish I could say I have enough space

Cause I want 32 sinks. But they do not fit in the space I have lol

[zenith pecan]

Why not build interim structures above?

[undone citrus]

And stacking wouldn't look good with my design

[zenith pecan]

Hmm.

[fluid crow]

trains

[undone citrus]

Still problematic

[fluid crow]

problems are solutions waiting to happen!

[dense violet]

build multiple floors - infinite space

[undone citrus]

Again doesn't work with my design

[zenith pecan]

Close at least but you're still limited to 2km vertically 😛

[undone citrus]

Would have to be extremely tall and would completely ruin what I'm going for

[dense violet]

build another tower going 2km up 😛

[dense violet]

belt to sinks elsewhere. Belts don't take much space

[zenith pecan]

My power station is only 600ish metres tall, so if I can get 1.1tw out of just the blue crater, surely someone else can put everything needed in a much smaller space.

Well, 1,189,350.1 to be exact.

[undone citrus]

But with my city block style it doesn't work nicely, ideally I want the sinks visible like a disposal plant, but that's difficult, and other solutions are either expand in ways that make it ugly or hide the sinks in a different location

[dense violet]

have some visible then? lots of options.

this sort of thing typically needs a lot of planning and spacing out and looks like there was an oopsie somewhere along the line - options tend to be 'redo it' or get what you can out of it as a compromise

[zenith sage]

Sinks are my bane when it comes to hiding/placing them...

[fluid crow]

transport it elsewhere or process it there seem like the main categories of options

[undone citrus]

Not only are they large but they're asymmetrical

[zenith pecan]

I've sometimes put sinks under the map, fed by a vertical shaft.

[undone citrus]

"satisfactory" more likely mostly satisfactory

[zenith sage]

And like a damn 10 meter mini antenna...

[undone citrus]

If rather delete my 100 hours compound

[zenith pecan]

🤷‍♂️

That's on you then.

[undone citrus]

That's why I won't stack

[fluid crow]

I would build a separate complex at the scale you sound like you're going for

[undone citrus]

Later

I plan to do so for oil

[fluid crow]

just put it in a temp location in that direction ig

[undone citrus]

I'm just going to use the materials

Only thing I have to sink is concrete

I can make 100 reinforced plates/min to get rid of my iron stores

I need bigger blueprints

[dense violet]

split it into 2 or more blueprints

[zenith sage]

Or go vertical

Is nitric acid liquid or gas? 🤔

[stuck dagger]

Liquid

[mortal stone]

Use alt recipes to process the concrete?

[reef basin]

Why do you have to sink it?

[versed cosmos]

you can use a smart splitter to send it to storage/dimensional depot and then overflow to storage

just jumping into the convo now so i assume we're talking about wet concrete to sink excess water from aluminium

[karmic hare]

i prefer to burn coal or petro coke to get rid of excess water.. but sinking wet concrete is obviously valid too

[versed cosmos]

my alu plant that i keep putting off is gonna make diluted fuel

[dense violet]

why not recycle it into the initial solution systems? it's easy and unbreakable. No need for extra work or water

[pallid ridge]

How to make smooth climb using rail?

[frosty mirage]

On my way to turbofuel 🤞🤞

[reef basin]

why not reuse the water for alu?

[true mulch]

Build on ramps

[surreal rose]

is there any way to get mark or something like that on pipes so i can see where to place next pump?

[true mulch]

It appears automatically after a previous pump, but not after building outputs

It's best to just measure it with walls

10 meters of head lift is 2.5 walls

[scenic mirage]

it doesnt rlly work all the time water backs up or smth

[fluid crow]

I let it fill then put it at the end of the last pipe that fills entirely

[scenic mirage]

i think you win

[errant thicket]

i keep forgetting to use the blueprint maker

[reef basin]

then you built it wrong tbh, because it can work very well if you build it right

[scenic mirage]

there are few things in life i do right 😄

[reef basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1460381544173801616/image.png?ex=697c768c&is=697b250c&hm=d97ce22e709c5ee7775b32fffb40001b53e353229422a869ffde33adf34a17af&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=685&height=968 simple way to do aluminum

[scenic mirage]

#1451894577664360560 message

this is what i tried doing before... ended up scrapping the recycling and just made basic iron products i somehow kept running out of

[limpid cairn]

How else do you get the nut trophy

[pallid ridge]

It'll follow the ramp?

[scenic mirage]

sinking concrete will take you forever. like you will prob never get the nut trophy just by sinking concrete

[limpid cairn]

It’s a first step to something bigger.

[scenic mirage]

itd be faster to get there with DNA capsules

[west sluice]

one million copper wire per minute

[dire needle]

im looking for guidance, im wondering what "powerplants" are worth betting on. im talking making over at minimum 50k power from it

[scenic mirage]

what phase are you

[dire needle]

phase 4

[scenic mirage]

prob turbofuel or smth

but phase 5 will blow that out of the water and youll need to expand it again

[real shale]

regular fuel is pretty good for what its worth too honestly, you can get 75GWish from the nodes in the blue crater

[dire needle]

i have 2500 oil/min where im plannin to build

[real shale]

thats a lot of potential fuel you can get, iirc theres 2550 in blue crater or something like that, if you combine HOR and diluted fuel you'll get a substantial amount of power to work with alongside resin byproduct to do whatever you want with too

[quartz yoke]

Phase 4 you should have access to Nitro Rocket Fuel from an alternate recipe, properly hooked up thats 144GW per 600 crude.

[dense violet]

foundations

[reef basin]

well my question was "why specifically concrete and just concrete"

[sweet light]

You can double that to 288GW if you use somersloops

[reef basin]

practically every power source in the game can do that

[quartz yoke]

@sweet light if you use Somersloops you can magnify it 16 fold probably because there are 4 steps

[autumn wing]

Do we know when we hear from Coffee stain again? About bug fixes, next update etc?

[quartz yoke]

@sweet light you'd need 172 Somersloops and would produce over 1 TW (and some way to cheat more sloops)

[reef basin]

there isn't that many sloops afaik

there's only 106

[quartz yoke]

~108 somersloops on the map

[true mulch]

Not really

[lunar python]

Nitro rocket fuel is so good 🔥

[autumn wing]

[sweet light]

1TW from rocket fuel would be nice but the amount of fuel generators would use A LOT of space to set up.

[quartz yoke]

1844 generators

[true mulch]

1 TW is a lot even if you make it with nuclear (or any power source really)

And most likely entirely unnecessary

[unkempt blade]

and it's especially easy with biomass burners

[reef basin]

hence why you do it with nuclear instead

[mortal ginkgo]

go jail

[unkempt blade]

What? It's only like ~33k burners. Just make a blueprint for it and no big deal

[quartz yoke]

@unkempt blade you'd need to kill 2,700 hogs a minute to fuel it

[reef basin]

only if you're actively using 1TW tho

[unkempt blade]

this just keeps seeming like a better idea the more we talk about it

[mortal ginkgo]

go jail faster

[unkempt blade]

and if the big impure limestone lobby is against it we must be doing something that good for the people!

[mortal ginkgo]

EXCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE YOU MISTER!

[sweet light]

At some point I have to build nuclear plant... But that time is not now.

[coarse kindle]

Just discovered snapping to the world grid, 30 hrs in. Guess I'm redoing everything 😂

[reef basin]

wait until you discover that world grid is a trap

[coarse kindle]

Whaaaa

[green fiber]

the misalignments....

will be your own undoing!

[coarse kindle]

It.. Doesn't work..?

[reef basin]

there's no reason to put everything on same grid and it forces your local grid to be weird instead of being aligned to terrain

[dense violet]

make your own grids. Boom. Done.

You never have to connect up all your factories with foundations , but even if you want to there's trivial ways to merge them

[coarse kindle]

Straight conveyors though? 🥹

[valid timber]

As far as I can tell im going to need a whole lot of plastic later down the line

[dense violet]

mining nodes aren't on the grid

[valid timber]

Is that a fair judgment or is it pretty reasonable in how much ill need

[green fiber]

isnt that true for everything

[dense violet]

depends on the recipes you choose - don't try to future proof, treat the milestones as a tutorial

[valid timber]

gotcha