#satisfactory
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I thought that was curvebuilder
I really want to chat... but I got stuff to do in-game. ๐คช
have fun you all โค๏ธ
I have been up all night. The satisfactory grind never stops
24 hours ive been awake.
i wish but 2 lazy
also u have doctorates thwt just copy books or are touching very basic topics
@clear mesa you here ?
and then u have beasts who connect interdisciplinary research
Yeah whats up
I finished my 2000m pipe work, and now going to make my 2nd line of blenders for my advanced aluminum factory.
Is there anything I should know with blueprints before I start ? ๐คญ
Nothing fancy really, honestly the first few blueprints I'd set up were just the maximum amount of constructors/smelters/assemblers etc i could fit
So that any time I needed any of them I'd just copy paste and then rearrange where necessary
But I'd include the splitters/conveyors/poles in advance so all the extra little annoying tidbits would be done
the anxiety of waiting for coal plant manifolds to fill is unmatched, my power graph is so wavy !
You'll be better off waiting for them to fill up and then powering them on
in the end it's the same
Especially important when you switch to fuel generators
I was intending to do that but i went on auto pilot and wired them up without thinking
you rarely need all the power immediately anyway
so it's fine if they just boot up over time
theyre just a precaution because im about to build something big
how do u know whats he doing tho
Yeah I find that the last one sometimes ends up idling for a split second though if youre sending the exact amount of resources
I'd still fill them up just for peace of mind's sake
true, after a short while it will balance out
if u are speedrunning to phase 3 u dont want to wait
or building smth immidiately
you most likely won't build fast enough for the 30 minutes of fill up time to matter
Tbh coal generators dont take too long to boot up considering they're most likely in a stack of 8
how do you know how fast i build tho
yeah definitly not haha this is my first time making something this large, also my first time using blueprints for a lot of stuff so im adjusting
u dont
most likely
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this set I just made are the third set of 16 on my grid
good job :p
that's a lot of coal power lmao
to be honest I just enjoy making them haha
i like how they look when theyre all running fully.
16 is usually enough for me to get to phase 3 and switch to fuel
Yeah I do like the look of the coal gens more than the fuel one's tbh
welll ive been delaying phase 3 as much as possible as ive mentioned so... making more power has been required
I still have my biomass on my grid actually
I gathered too much solid biofuel and now i have like 3 industrial containers full feeding 400 mw worth of gens iirc
Im running on 32 coal gens right now, but I think i'll expand to 40 before unlocking petroleum power
your biomass most likely isn't doing anything unless you're producing above your coal plant's power production
biomass burners only turn on when needed
YOU CAN DO THIIIS ๐
its pretty simple but yeah, a lot of moving parts
but please don't be too overwhelmed. just do it in your tempo ^^
tis the plan
first step is deciding on the floor plan for me usually
thinking ill do a central smelting building then distribute as needed
i need to start a dedicated server and force people to do the excruciating labour for me ๐
You should be promoted within FICSIT
lmao
senior pioneer
Hard drive just gave me the hardest choice, pure copper or pure aluminium
For the good of FICSIT. And humanity
although I am VERY excited for trains its so annoying running to all my plants far away from eachother
Zipline+jetpack
pure alu is kinda crap imo
And a bit of hypertubing
dimensional depot >
It removes the need for silica, I say its good
so you need more bauxite for same amount of alu ๐ค yeah, kinda crap
dimensional depots have literally made my life 20x easier already
Not really lmao.
well, as with all recipes, the choice is yours ๐
you have to take pure alminuim ๐ฅน #screenshots message
The standard recipe for aluminium ingots requires 90 scrap per minute, the pure recipe only requires 60 per minute.
I need 20 smelters 
and makes 30 instead of 60
oh wait ive got blueprints now holy shit!!!!!
Jesus christ, AND?
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I like the alt recipe if you think its bad, thats your opinion, stop trying to tell me its bad when I personally like it
you did kindve ask
Why did you ask for an opinion on two items just to disagree when given what you asked for
basically with normal alu ingot you have 6 scrap -> 4 ingots
with pure alu you have 6 scrap -> 3 ingots
so yeah, you need more bauxite per ingot
I legitimately didnt actually, all I said was "hard drives gave me a hard choice" I haven't once said or asked "which should I pick" or "does anyone like or dislike the pure aluminium ingot alt recipe".
its not that deep homie
Dont assume then
I said "imo" in all the messages I gave you. Ofc it's my opinion. Why am I getting blamed for sharing my opinion?
@reef basin I know you are very hated on this server, because you don't know how to talk to people, but nice program you have made to organize things in-game. โค๏ธ
(we will still be blocked friends after all.)
LMAOOOOOO that felt a bit backhanded but i understood what you tried to say
blueprints just turned a 30 minute job into a 5 minute job why didnt I do this earlier ๐
Sorry, but is it really a sandbox? Minecraft is because the world is trillions of blocks wide in all directions and essentially has infinite resources to pick from with a procedurally generated map thats different every time.
Satisfactory has a hand crafted map with unlimited nodes sure, but actually a limit on how much you can pull from each node, you cant place 2 miners on one node and the max you can pull is 1200 which dwindles when split to multiple machines for multiple different items and factories.
Sure there is a lot you can do, but is it really sand box? Technically, unlimited potential, limited availability
Just because someone stated an opinion doesnt mean you have to come into the chat and be argumentative
yes, this is sandbox
Do you know what a sandbox is?
Wow so I cant even make a comparison?
You are fine ^^ โค๏ธ
No you can, you're just wrong in your definition of a sandbox.
Apparently not, every one seems to have beef with me, I was just trying to share a thing, maybe have a conversation, maybe not. I dont need all this bullshit, its my damn birthday today
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you shared a thing, I gave you my opinion on a thing and got blamed for that
is that your idea of a conversation?
Happy birthday <33333
also I do not have a beef with you, just so we are clear about that hehe
All my life id been told sand box games have unlimited resources or near unlimited and your availability in taking those resources and utilizing them is also, near or bang on infinite. If thats wrong, ive been lied to for 15 years
Fucking sorry, christ
Nah, that would make terraria not a sandbox :p
A sandbox game is a video game with a gameplay element that provides players a great degree of freedom to interact creatively, usually without any predetermined goal, or with a goal that the players set for themselves.
i was about to quote the wiki for sandbox too ๐ญ
are people XCKD-386ing again?
shhh..
Would've been nice if id been told that 15 FUCKING YEARS AGO
I'll go back in time to warn you ๐
Lol
sandbox = actually do what you want vs. "choices matter" gameplay
If i could time travel, there is so much I would teach my younger self that school never taught me
Hindsight is 20/20
but you can make satisfactory a sandbox game TBH ! in advanced settings.. just turn everything to free ๐ฅฒ
but originally played, it is far from sandbox game.
Just do better with what you know now :p
I want to make a sorting amachine but i cant find to kinds of nobelisk ammo the nuke and the cluster one
Hey thats a song by randy Travis, specifically from yhe storms of life album (i have it on Vinyl)
- tell past self future knowledge
- grandfather paradox
- invent time machine
- use time machine
what is this ?
Why did you add in the grandfather paradox
my bad... missing research
Thats the worst thing a time traveler could do to their own bloodline
Everything else is fine, just please dont look up the "grandfather paradox" its fked
grandfather paradox, not philip j. fry paradox.
-# temporal mechanics are #off-topic-general
love the drama ^^
gives me something to read while i wait for machines to fill
What's going on ๐
How'd this get in here
wrestlemania over 30 aluminum per minute
I fell asleep playing Satisfactory at around 2am
I believe the conversation went to going back in the past to correct future mistakes? ๐ญ
Hopefully you enjoyed your 20 minute nap and got back up to work right after
Sadly that isn't what happened
that's very nice
Ficsit Incorporated does not approve of 'sleeping' at 'nighttime'
I woke up ~20-30 mins ago from right now
Neither do I lol I didn't know it had happened till it did
thank you, its not even properly set up right now
i messed up the blueprint so my output belts arent linked but nothing I cant fix with a bit of manual labour
Unfortunately my body wakes me up by 10am latest no matter what
Even when i sleep in late
god I wish my sleep schedule has been getting heinous due to satisfactory recently
I've been sleeping 4-5 hours a night since getting into this game.. i need to chill down a bit
I stay up until 2am on satisfactory but I can't really afford to not wake up early with work and school :p
I woke up at ~8:30 AM
College or HS?
i just graduated and am waiting on a response for a job interview so I have allllll the time in the world
Luckyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
easy fix just extend a small piece of conveyor out at the last merger
You already have a job at FICSIT...
ooo i hope you get it
Why are you interviewing lol?
-# Why tf are there so many different conversations going on at the same time so I have to keep using the reply feature to make things make sence in context...
i wish it was that but its actually the belts inbetween my smelters
as I said, nothing some elbow grease cant fix
Yo n1c did you mean College or HS for "school"?
im used to building copious amounts of smelters
id edit that bp when you get the chance so you dont have to do it again inevitably
Uni, I assume that'd be college for NA
Yes thats the plan, but im just gonna finish this floor up
1st year?
I use 4 smelter blueprint with wall power outlets incorporated
thinking ill do my foundrys and smelters on the same floor then constructors above and then assemblers further above that
Yup recently switched courses from Nursing to IT 
gonna get a bit confusing maybe considering im making 3 seperate items in one factory but im sure itll work out
Do 2 floors of constructors if u have 2 levels of constructiing to do (like iron rod screws)
Quite the change but I like it more ๐
im on a 3 smelter but I shouldve done 4 because this entire factory has smelters in factors of 4 haha
Am 2 years behind you ๐
Time flies, you won't even realise
mm yeah that might be better, or I might seperate it based on uhh material because I need to construct steel copper and iron items
๐ I do realize it, that's the problem.... ๐ญ
Go horizontally for that, vertically for further processing
gotcha
Thats how i go about it and its quite nice
Well then that's almost better, be productive with it :p
Makes the factory scaleable
I doubt ill be scaling this one but honestly I might do it anyway just because you never know with these things
-# I also cannot do that lol
I have a feeling by the time ive got 3 industrial containers with these space elevator parts I won't need many more
Eh, find something you enjoy and "game-ify" it
I just constantly make sure I have some sort of project I'm working on so i'm never completely inactive
do wish I had brought some quartz crystals with though some signs would be very very helpful right about now
Best to future proof a bit, i have 3 modular factories with vertical design, i made them scaleable just in case
ive got some in that style too.. mainly my modular frames, steel & EIB but I also did blackpowder because I knew I'd want more boom later down the line
im going to re-build my main iron limestone and copper in that way too because they're just not efficent enough for my liking right now
but that all comes later!!! space elevator has to get done.
Yea, started working on my everything iron factory too... but left it to go make a motor one, once its done i'll get back to it although im a bit scared as i gotta do 167 buildings ๐ญ
Can someone help me with some math
I can certainly try
prob should post it in #math-and-meta
Whats the issue?
but yeah, math and meta would be better
will be less likely to be lost
youll find smarter people there.
I'll post in math & meta
Wasgoing on here
Man I wanna both be playing the game and be up to date on the happennings of #satisfactory
i mean we all rely on the math n meta merchants
Not me ๐
2 monitors
Not possible
Conflicting opinions I see
Im on ps5 and phone so yea
Pc wise 2 monitors is doable
But FICSIT would not approve though
Work needs to be done for the good of FICSIT. And humanity
Alright posted in the chat if u wanna look
ficsit, lemme eat uranium
feed the uranium to the lizard doggos.
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that looks like the sort of thing that using the blueprinter could probably make easier if you haven't messed with it much yet
but blueprint is only 5x5.. it is for no help in this situation ๐
will that not fit the 2 blenders side by side?
I try hard to make a good layout for a massive production ^^
and plan ahead with what is coming
it looks like you're doing the same 2 blenders + pipes at the very least for each of those little chunks of factory
it is all in my head -.-" it is hard for me to describe ๐ฅน
but I want 2 other factories next to it, to feed it, and everything must be in line, or else I delete it all
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For drones if only one port has fuel will it refuel the drone coming from the non fueled port?
#screenshots message
it does not pump
you have to be kidding me.. the entire 2000 m line is bugged
... ๐
it is 10 hours of work... let me try few things.. with fluid tank and stuff ๐ฅน maybe it just need a little help..
I hope you manage to fix it lmfao
Are water extractors allowed in bp designer?
LNAO me too, or else I go to the store and buy red wine ๐
It's a saturday after all ๐ฎโ๐จ
Idk if pipes will allow red wine in it ๐คญ
Nope
Should I focus on exploring the map? I am still in phase 2 thou
There's no harm in it
mine will.
If you feel like it, sure
I will make it work...
I believe in u 
if not, I have to delete everything, and make blueprints for it all ๐ญ
so stupid, im about to cry ๐
I mean....there is an easy instant fix...
My first ever uranium fuel rods ๐ are being made
You'll need to mod your game though
I am all ears
Makes all fluids act like gases
So they effectively work like conveyors and dont have any issues with headlift
but THIS IS GAS
Have you found the part where the pipes go from full to empty?
hm
Cant I build the designer in water? ๐ค
i dont think you can no
Oof
wait no u can
someone from spain or speak spanish?
hold on you might actually be able to blueprint water extractors
And does it allow water extractors in it that way? ๐ง๐ง
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Haha lol, i broke the system
haha test it out and report back if youre able to
dont feel like relaunching the game to try this out
Will do after my climbing session
oh!
Gotta move this ass a bit
maybe relog will save me
youre going through the 5 stages of grief right now
i beg you to not rebuild it all again and just build a rail track instead ๐ญ
it'll save you countless hours
I think I need to walk away before I start saying bad things.
it's a shame though cause you made it look good
Cant you trace back the issue? See where it all went wrong?
it is 2000 meter away when I started.
this needs red wine to calm down and start over.
maybe some other way as @clear mesa said.
but I need to go to the store now ๐
I will figure out what to do when I get back home
cya
likely a bugged connection, maybe from using autoconnect improperly or something?
you can just start at the source of the gas and at some point you should come across a full pipe next to an empty one and thats where you know the error lies
before I head out, no, I did it all manually โค๏ธ
I did not do anything different because I was affaird I would bug it if I did
but turned out to be all bugged eitherway
gtg ๐ โค๏ธ
ah. manually is actually more error prone in some cases lol
mostly if you click fast enough to where you misclick or something
autoconnect, from what i tried, was a bit more reliable funny enough
ye with gas I feel like it'd be easier to find the fault considering it should only be a connection
its easily checked.
if the empty pipes show an endless loading circle and dont even show gas, the connection is nonexistant
yeah lol can't blame her tho
this game can be pretty frustrating with stuff like this
its thankfully a simple fix most of the time
and running past 2 km of pipes is like a 5 min trip with how fast the pioneer can scoot around
yeah honestly not sure what couldve gone wrong if they're ALL not receiving any gas
she did place the supports beforehand and then connect the pipes, maybe that makes the pipes more likely to "break"? ๐คทโโ๏ธ
Hey guys, does anyone have a mega water extraction blueprint with mk2 pipes? ๐
Interrupting y'all's nerd talk bc I want to know if I can adjust the height of the conveyor lift
I need 19200 water ๐ญ
yes
build on top of the ocean, place the extractors directly in front of whatever machine needs the water
just drag mouse up
nuclear power plant
yeah, then place the plants directly in front of extractors
I need 64 fully overclocked water extractor
Tell me how
u can always build facility for packaging water and redistribute packaged water by trains
if you're doing trains, just do fluid trains, no need to package
though that sounds like a pain to do for 19200 water
someone did 80k pqckaged water /m
good for them
you can't blueprint extractors anyway
oh..
i can feel the salt coming out of the screen
just build it on top of the ocean with the plants directly in front of the extractors
thats just insane... 64 FULLY overclocked water extracot for 32 nuclear power plants
that's normal for this stage of the game
two extractors hooked to one nuclear plant, repeat 32 times. easy
yeah but the power plants are so much bigger
so i have to build like a 44km foundation path
@zealous urchin I need to know how to adjust the height of the conveyor lift plz
Does power slug respawn I get the feeling I picked up one power slug like 3 time
Yeah I didnโt overclock them and built about 32 nuclear reactors so idk how much water Iโm pulling
Slugs shouldnโt respawn
NPPs are 36x43
Extractors are ~20x20
that fits nicely to 2 per 1
youre pulling 19200 water for 32 nuclear power plants
NPP
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so basically 2 extracotrs = 1 powerplant
already told you that here ๐
Wow.. how did you make this so quick
And somehow itโs power positive
would be pretty weird for power plants to be power negative
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i havent planned on how to remove my nuclear waste yet but i doubt that'll be a issue
you can just store it
no man i'll make the waste become my friend so it doesnt do anything โค๏ธ
๐คฃ ๐คฃ
I am back again. I will do as you both said above.
Run back and see where it stop pumping.
Maybe replacing it will fix all the line ? โค๏ธ
I am calm now again btw. ๐ ๐คญ
calm is good, calm is productive.
The Factory most grow
#screenshots message
I think I found the reason 
im so stupid sometimes...
i'm sorry you all ๐คญ ๐
that might just be the issue...idk though ๐ค
LMAO !
hey...we'll take the easy wins when we can
I think so too ;D
Yo n1c do you know how to adjust the height of the conveyor lift?
yes he does ^^
what exactly are you looking for
since i assume you dont mean looking up with your screen lol
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Basically I am trying to connect the output slot of the forge thing to this storage container that's higher up
if you mean getting the infinite heights with conveyor lifts you need a floor hole
Oh yeah right mb
im so happy right now
-# Idk what that is
all my 2000m pipes is working like a dream โค๏ธ
meto. I have coffee
it's available in the ficsit ticket shop
I have something a bit stronger, but same emotions
Thanks ๐
Chocolate milk>?
ye i hope i actually answered your question haha
im still not sure what your problem exactly is
Diamond Hill Shiraz Merlot ๐ท ๐
Lol these kinds of things you prob never do
I had an idea for smth in the game and was wondering if grappling hook kinda thing exists in the game
but u can just drag ur mouse up
jelly, I cant do alcohol for medical reasons
you're better without โค๏ธ
how does one make foundation turns?
#screenshots message everything works like a dream again.
It doesn't work tho
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what exactly are u trying to do tho
bcs conveyor lifts hav finite range and minimum range
u can force them to connect smth 2m apart verticaly
and i think u can make conveyor floor holes infinite
bro trains are so useless istg
I am happy I refuse to use them
only if the game will force me to it in the last part of the game ofc
You can realistically beat the game without ever using them
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well same will I ! โค๏ธ ๐
vi snakker altsรฅ Engelsk her...
Trains have saved me dozens of hours..
Use google translate โค๏ธ ๐
I shot myself in the foot by not using them earlier tbh
i figured i'd try them i've never wanted to commit sudoku so much in my life
They're a bit annoying to get a hang of yeah
It's so freaking cold outside
๐ฅน I bet
But they're honestly not as bad as people make out to seem
Minus 30ยบC wtf
never again
Also who doesn't want cool trains running around their world... ๐
im using drones for small amount of items and mega bus conveyor lane fuck trains
Did you guys know that the best way to tap impure limestones is via trains? THE MORE YOU KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW~
you mean cause the useless mfers can only move 3 items a minute
EXCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE ME
In what world is your train this inefficient? ๐ญ
like this mfer only has to travel 300m and fails to transport 1200 items
You betrayed me my limestone production was on you but now your not enough for my consomption
Let me be VERY CLEAR with you brotherman, what you said sounds like an ULTRA MASSIVE AMAZINGLY CHUNGUS "YOU PROBLEM" to me!
it can transport a lot more than that
limestone nodes in this game are annoying
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You've unfortunately probably done something wrong within your lines or didn't add a buffer on the input and output for the stations
I will bonk Limestone on the head all day from now on
@rugged jasperthe mod u were refering to is curve builder?
what he means is that if you setup a train mainly meant for that impure limestone node, the throughput is bad.
Which is an INSANELY HIM PROBLEM.
Oh
Yes ๐ I have seen a video about that one
but I do not use it myself tho
so ur turns on rail road clip into each other?
To everyone who wants to have a better throughput with their trains and impure limestones:
USE MORE TRAINS
Impure limestone nodes should be saved for when you get the converter just so you can turn it into something more useful like iron or coal 
I do not own a single train โค๏ธ
but yes my foundation clip a little bit, when I turn it 5%
with mod, you can turn it down to 1%, and you can't even see any clip
and it is vanila friendly
it means, that updates does not break the mod โค๏ธ
Build 2000m stretch of pipes โ
Build single rail train โ
100% agree ๐
trains would never forget to connect themselves ๐
even I did it all manually, I am happy with it โค๏ธ
the work I put into it, just make me want to keep it even more ๐คญ
Blasphemy
To be fair you made it look good
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I would be contemplating my life choices by hour 5 though
Thank you ^^ โค๏ธ
if that message was not to me, then.. okay ๐ค 
only managed to get the smelting floor all done sadly
ended up getting stumped by some math and spent nearly an hour ensuring all my planning was correct
it is a beginning of something amaszing ! โค๏ธ
theres some weird splits here and there but im sure ill figure it out
haha thank you!!!
had to set up some constructor blueprints but tomorrow will be a cake once I sit down and focus on it im sure.
#screenshots message
you can try my little tutorial if you want to build more compact, and also it looks amazing.
ive got something similarish going
Wow looks good
sweet !
i just closed the game i need to sleep but before that im going to post the split that was stumping me in math and meta to see if its physically possible or if I'd need to rework my system
I have just seen people build so... uhmm not my style, like flooding in the air and stuff ๐คญ
What's wrong with hover-bases? ๐
Thank you ๐ super easy to build.
just follow the few steps above
maybe I should add it to the pictures ๐ค
it was lmfao
you will make a railway eventually though 
a lot of my bases are like that right now but I do intend to go back and make them look a little more realistic
only issue right now is well the urge to re-do all those factories before I do it
just add a bunch of fans and sweep it under the rug ๐ซก
LOL that could work
im sure #design-and-architecture would love me if I sent that
#screenshots message
added the small tutorial to the pictures now if anyone want to use my design to build a little bit more compact in their factories โค๏ธ
when I end up with huge splitter arrays ill come back to that for sure!
merger arrays too
If I sent you a ss of what I am trying to do would that help?
it surely helps for the late game ^^
I can do a even more advance tutorial tho, but I think this is good for now.
if I am going to make another, I will make a video about it, and explain what it is good for, and show different scenarios
Just bought the game. Trying to run it but it just freezes at random points and doesn't recover at all. Sad moment for the factory
Your PC may not meet the requirements
Thats rough! What are your graphics settings look like
RIP does it give you a unity crash report
I meet the minimum requirements tho
you may have the graphics settings too high
Everything as low as possible
Are you running the game from Steam ? โค๏ธ
yes
I don't think I saw anything like that. Every time it freezes I wait 5 minutes and if nothing I just task manager it
hmm
hm, then it should detect your hardware before hand.
I think it may because of too low PC spec โค๏ธ
and if you can't barely run it now, later in game like really fast, you will ahve 2 fps.
What are your pc specs?
As I said, I am pretty much on the minimum specs:
cpu Intel I5-10300h
gpu Nvidia GTX 1650
32 gb Ram
If it's not sending you a crash report and simply freezing then it is most likely a hardware issue
should be fine
make a post in #1038092680493801533 then ping me
ragebait comment
but if he/she has 2 hours to refund the game then there is no time for https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1038092680493801533 ๐
Already updated my drivers as well. Like it runs perfectly when it doesnt freeze. But it just freezes at random points (even at start up with the CSS logo) and doesnt recover from it.
My trains are just lighter than air (super realistic)
;D
Inflatable trains
I believe you, and dont believe in those stupid people telling you that..
my trains dance to brazilian phonk
Often corrupt Nvidia GPU drivers that need clean install or sometimes DDU removal and reinstall.
Hard drive or ssd?
Just updating doesn't count.
ssd, 1.6tb
Wow Iโm so jealous
I mean...idk but the i5-10300H might just also not cut it for a CPU intensive game like satisfactory
I saw that, I just don't know how to use it. Will try to not brick my laptop
do you have win 11 ?
w10
oh, okay :/ then my next thing will not work
reminds me I need to install a thing to remove some bloatware
It does run city skylines fairly well (not 2). Plus it even handles unreal engine editor as well
Will try the DDU, just hoping I wont screw it up
Fair enough, I hope you get it to work with a driver reinstall then :/
You should look into upgrading to Windows 11. Win 10 is no longer supported by many vendors, which means that your drivers might not works as expected.
id watch a few tutorials before hand
Driver reinstall will NOT work
ignore what i said then ๐ญ
Use in normal Windows, not Safe Mode.
Clean and restart with GPU, Nvidia.
Then let Windows Update install drivers.
Then manually install current one.
@unreal basin all games you have ever played still play fine correct ?
They work perfectly
speaking of I should also check my own drivers its been a while
Usually it does. Nvidia GPU drivers have multiple known ways they break and need DDU to get them back to working state inspecific games.
Sry that sounded sarcastic ( it wasnโt)
yeah that's what I thought
And that CPU is fine for the game.
Anything since 2nd gen Core and Bulldozer or newer with at least 4 cores is ok.
so roll back is needed maybe to play this game for Nvidia GPU players ?
Not fan of W11, trying to stay on 10 if I can
please don't โค๏ธ
No, just that Nvidia drivers set some stuff based on first installed driver version.
And never update that with upgrades without DDU cleanup.
Fair im not really knowledgeable about laptop CPUs
And also some other ways they can break for individual games.
That is 10th gen 4-core.
as in dont stay on 10?
W11 isn't great but a lot of programs and stuff aren't going to continue supporting W10 for a time
win 11 is the best in the freaking world โค๏ธ
I did hate it too at first, and didn't know how to turn off my PC for 3 days hahahahha
should be fine
it is outdated โค๏ธ and everything works better on win 11 now and from now on ๐
this truly is the most satisfactory conversation of all time
also a little plus, it will make your old PC faster
well we don't want someone to miss out on being able to play it ๐
if it can download and install win 11 ๐
I missed out on the context ๐
yeah im just being silly haha
What annoys me with W11, is simply the features they add into it. Plus I don't really want to break my workflow with things like Unreal engine, Blender, Jetbrains and other programs (or for that matter to reinstall them)
So need cleanup of the old driver version crap and installation of new enough driver.
Which for Satisfactory 1.1 is anything from last two years or so.
My uneducated brain is thinking (repair files or reinstall) but Ik it prob wonโt do anything
starbruhz is having some technical issues so were trying to troubleshoot
Microsoft no longer provides proper updates for Windows 10 since October last year. So it is officially end of life.
Always great
@unreal basin before you mess with any back end stuff, did you try verify the integrity of the game files
already did. Was first thing that I did
I understand, but win 10 is past, at some point you have to move on โค๏ธ
honestly its such a simple solution but fixes a lot of my issues 99% of the time
ah rats
True
Microslops operating system can be made to work properly but you have to get into its guts and nuke things that get in the way, but tbh, getting way offtopic.
reject windows 11
embrace windows vista
Windows 11 is fine, and if you're concerned about all the bloated stuff they've added theres plenty of programs out there that can clear them if you're wanting
When I update my OS, I assume that it will wipe all programs I already have installed, right?
uhhh dont think so.
Or Win 95
I dont remember my computer being cleared when I updated to W11
Windows XP, my beloved ๐
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ sounds like a question for gogle
yeah just remove all the bloatware at that point
my first PC for 23000 Kroner had 133 MHz ram ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐ ๐
from IBM LMAO !!!!!
Upgrading from Windows 10 to Windows 11 when you start the upgrade from inside Windows retains everything.
i just realized one of my ram sticks leds arent on
May I suggest https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/457105940844380160 ? ๐
uh oh.
Google said that it doesnt delete files when going trough the normal process. But backing up things is recommended
this conversation is coming to its close I think
There can be individual drivers or programs that will need reinstall in very rare cases, but even then all settings etc. are still there.
Well. Time to back up my games then lol
Didnโt even know that was a channel
Gl โค๏ธ
My first machine was an Amd 386sx/40 , 4mb of ram and the truely outstanding high tech msdos 3.3!
Not for technical support, should be that #1038092680493801533 thread.
I should have probably create post threre. my bad
Well the issue might be a technical issue so support would be appreciated
My first PC in 1995 โค๏ธ where my mom bought me the MOST POWERFUL PC IN THE WORLD with 133 MHz ram, and CPU so slow it could not be recorded.
2 months later IBM released a NEW PC with 266 ram ๐ฅน
She felt so scammed, but at least I could play DOOM on my super computer ๐ ๐ฅ
Yes, and those go there too, and I do handle lot of them in the end.
Dw about it (Iโve talked about more off topic things here ๐คซ๐ค)
I dont know how you're able to remember your first pc's specs
All I remember is that mine had some variety of the Intel Pentium CPUs
I donโt even remember my current specs
I remember a lot, and even I have no idea how, before pc I had an Amiga 1200, before that believe it or not a zx spectrum ๐
Numbers is my best friend ๐ค
Woowww had to search that up but that's pretty cool
It's something proper neards know (myself inlcuded).
Pretty sure I can even dig out the computer magazine that had the add from shop from where I got my first machine.
I can even remember all my friends phone home numbers, and my own I had 30 years ago ๐ฅน
I think I was around 5-7 at that point, but I still remember them clearly to this day ๐
I was about to make a claim about being too young to remember but I was 5 so maybe I have no excuses
๐ญ
I dont remember anything before like 7yo
Mine was 431992** that was our first phone number ๐ โค๏ธ
I barely remember yesterday. But I do remember all my computers.
idk why my brain keep this information tho
I can't, that 386 motherboard, ram and the cirrus logic 5436 video card were bought out of the local admag (reselling paper) before the internet became a real thing.
๐คทโโ๏ธ
I just know I got into it early enough to still appreciate physical game media still being distributed for PCs ๐ข
I miss my CDs, god knows where those have all went now
I still have decades old floppy disks & cds from my early pc gaming days.
well 1990's was the best.
I walked around with my diskman
and I was on top of the world
Mannn I'm jealous ๐
but not walking too fast tho, because then it would lag in songs
Nowadays you can't even buy a game, you just buy access to the live service
๐ hehehhehehehe
true ^^
If I make a creative save and make a blueprint that's bigger than the blueprints I can make in my normal playthrough Am I able to use that big blueprint?
I really can't fit a good looking main rail system inside of Mark 1 blueprint maker lmao
๐ญ maybe im not super jealous
yeah
just need to transfer them into your bp file
Is that near the save file?
errr i believe it should be but there is a tutorial for this
Oh okay is it somewhere in this discord?
Don't be ๐
as there was other problems that time.
today is maybe a little bit over the top, but over the 250 years, everything will loop, from fashion, behavior, and yeah everything.
I am sure it will currect itself when everything goes to hell like in the past
Oh I didn't realize there was a satisfactory wiki thank you!
Yes. You just can't edit it from your current game. And you still need to have unlocked whatever is in that blueprint.
Yeah, just in time when im ripe and ready to be drafted too 
the wiki saved me from so much trouble โค๏ธ
I've been using purely satisfactory calculator and modeler and brainwaves
I gave up on brainwaves looong ago.
I just got to plastic and I'm starting to give up on brain waves
yeah.. wiki is my thing, and just build everything from that point.
there is every link to the next, so it was easy for me
Why does the wiki ask to access all devices on my network?
O.o
Wrong wiki.
it doesn't?
My router immediately blocked it lmao
huuuh
wow ๐
it's not the link I sent right?
That's the one I went to
it didn't do that to me?
๐ญ only wiki links are whitelisted on this server
to specifically prevent iploggers
that's why all the bots go to #story-spoilers to send images instead
Lmao
It might just be because my router is trying to figure out how it teleported 1200 mi lmao
๐คทโโ๏ธ
@surreal ingot wow !
#screenshots message
My first level of my factor looks crazy, but this design... idk I love it. โค๏ธ
Did you use mods to make it ? or you just made it up in your own mind ๐ฑ
I used the nudge mod because the second layer wasnt centered right (still a little off) other than that no mods were used
I have a ficmas mod to keep ficsmas forever, I have the smart! Mod and I have a faster crafting mod
must have taken some time to make.!
I have only reroll again mod
๐ but I still spend days working on the hard drives because I forget to research them
๐ฒ ๐ more gambling
yup ! but also the way I made my factory work so well this time ๐
everything work together so good ^^
I like looking back on my old factories and see how far Iโve came
why did u throw them away then
I didn't, my father did
my first... it just poor chaos.. like for real
Like any kid would throw away his games ๐ญ
๐ฅถ
They were most likely unfortunately viewed as junk
the "shell looks good" but everything inside is a massive chaos
I wonder, should I continue going for 48 super computers per minute and stay just shy of its stack limit or should I place down another assembler to make it a full 50 and get 1 stack of supercomputers per minute.
If it's not too much trouble yeah...multiples of 5/10 are always nicer lmfao
let me do the math for my next insane build
Thought so, I just gotta very slightly adjust the other machines too
~30 minutes for the shell and 2.5 hours for the factory inside
I tried looking through the announcements, but was there any indication of owhen 1.2 might come? I remember it being after Consoles but cant remmeber when.
What're you making in the rubix cube
First half of this year I believe
With my new build I am going to make 54 Fused Modular Frames per min. ๐ฅน
hello, i need help. I fell inside some kind of mountain or something and now im stuck inside the textures
reset
it is going to be a hell of a ride to make it all, but surely I will make it !
you've gotten through the most annoying part of the game imo which is setting up a foundation
are you playing with unlimited power or have you just already future proofed your electricity production?
I just have to plan it right.. โค๏ธ
power is off โค๏ธ
i respawned now my items are stuck inside the textures :(
I don't want to deal with it right now
Minor glitch. Easiest is to reload the game to before you got stuck.
You can respawn yourself, but then you lose the stuff you have on you.
Depending on what you have available and in reach, you can build a hybertube that goes through the terrain. Or even a train track.
It's the easiest way unfortunately, hopefully you didn't lose too much
You can choose to keep all items on death/respawn in your game settings, btw
never thought about using the hypertube in that way tbh thats a good one
But yeah, reloading from an autosave is often easiest
I love his beard tbh ๐คญ
Now that you respawned, you can make a fairly simple blueprint with a hybertube setup. Then you can nudge that through the rock so you can use that to access your stuff. But practice and test first! ๐
thanks, i reloaded
i forget the autosave feature since i manual save so much
shouldve suggested that first
Back to that now? ๐
I have made cannon stations across my factories. which can send me across the map, but also catch me again.
tube cannons is the best ๐คญ
i'm SORRY !
I cant wait to finish my 60,000 watt fuel plant. Then I can make 10 heavy modular frames in a certain spot
4 normal iron and 2 normal limestone (i think)
but it is true, he has the best beard on server ๐คญ
heheheh okay I will stop now โค๏ธ
I want to ask you something
Shoot
it is game related this time I promise ๐
The game does not have a beard mode. (that I know of)
#screenshots message
How do you make splitters ?
it has been going on for days how people make their splitter design, and this is my version.
But you have like 1000 hours plus in-game what is your design ?
What type of splitters? For balancing? Ratios? Bus feeds?
From a 4 way feed to manufacture
Feel free to DM me if that's easier.
Okay, since I didnt want to update to w11 today. I tried DX11, which actually works. Sure there are stutters here and there for new locations but its far better than no game at all :D
for example
glad your are in-game now ^^
Welcome to the start of the rest of your life
Stutters are better than no game at all.
hahahhaa
just saw your pipes screenshot.... yeah i wonder what the issue was there 
From factorio to satisfactory ๐
Damn double life drainage
Hell yea, gotta meet that quota
MMMMMHMMMM ! NO SHIT ! hehehehehhe
I was SO mad I went offline and went to the store to buy red wine..
I had looked at factorio and considered it but didn't like the screenshots of the game so I didn't get it
Satisfactory tho..... ๐ ๐ ๐
it anything has to go to that point, it has to be really really bad ๐
It is actually really good game. And the new DLC basically 3x the playtime (or more idk)
but the fix was so easy. I just needed some fresh air. ๐ โค๏ธ
my journeyof factory games made me try factorio after having played satisfactory.
Just a few months ago i finally launched the rocket...
took me 23 hours on a new save.
I will NOT be returning to that particular dumpster fire save file
๐ฅ ๐ญ ๐ ๐ฅ
My dad still hasnt beaten the DLC yet
im trying to complete a run with a friend now....
Guys I am trying to do smth pretty dumb but I rly want it to work
let me hear it
its a better life
confess.
What stupidity did you try
I think I will love it
You will def love it
So yk how in the HUB you set milestones and then once you reach minimum of Tier 1 you get this launch button to send this thing into the sky?
average piping situation
Well, after I unlocked the observation tower, I noticed that its height is pretty high and is higher than the top of the launcher thing
For manufacturers, I have a BP that balances and bottomfeed two of them. Lining these up, ist connect them as a normal belt bus in a straing line, keeping the top siden very clean.
Ya, you send it to lord Vader so he can construct the death star
this was the reason @green fiber
So then I put the observation tower right up against the HUB in attempts to legit hop on to the ship as it takes off
yep i saw
thats where autoconnect can really help
As one does
Prob the first person to think of this concept obv
truly 100% unique idea that has definitely never been tried by nobody beforeโข
The sky death box is real
Truly an original genius. Did it take you to the moon?
did you meet god
but after chatting with you all, I am going all crazy with my advanced aluminum build ๐ฅน
a little scared of it but i am sure I can do it.!
โค๏ธ
dont go tooo crazy and you should be fine
especially if this is your first time doing aluminum
true. I will go totally crazy โค๏ธ
and he was never heard from now on
thanks for the advice โค๏ธ
start small, get to know the process.
then you can always go bigger and crazier later on with a new build
Well the timing is extremely short so it will take practice to get it right
I was in fact able to make contact with the thing as it took off and actually got dmg from the thrusters
Someone please tell me, why can the spiders fucking jump, Iโm stuck on one of my miners with 2 js, chilling below me and jumping at me
I will build out from 36 blenders โค๏ธ
maybe a hyper tube with boosters + a platform ๐
Just started playing this game yesterday ๐
to kill you of course
:(
something to look forward to then!
I know normally that'd be enough time but...
Yeah I'll figure smth out lol
IT GOT UP
The spiders jump scare me... even the kittes does.
I am happy I finished that part of the game. it even gave me nightmares.
I saw the damn spiders with kitty face
HELP :(
WHAT ???
The spider :(
it is serious ^^
Ty :(
*seriously overrated
Fuck me, my heart
How did he get up
I
Js
Turned around and he was staring at me bro
ร_ร
RUUUUUUUUUn
have you tried building stuff?
like, usually you can literally go fortnite mode and just erect a fortress - or a prison
wdym ?
So yk how you can build stuff?
its a valid strategy to just panic and start building random crap to obstruct enemies
Take some wood and just make pillar
I faced 'em all hard on !
my suffer went to irl nightmares about the spiders with kitty faces.
I swear it is on my top 10 nightmares
i turn my fear into rage and bash their faceless heads in with the xenobasher
#screenshots message@fading whale looks so good ๐
y builds is all too big to make it even look good I think
What is the best weapon for the highest reliable dps? I thought it was going to be turbo ammo but it is far too inaccurate, and normal rifle ammo just feels a little too low. Especially when some of those drives have 3 cliff hogs or a multiple gas stingers. Takes ages to kill everything, even when they're trapped in a box
Nuke
Start throwing nobelisks
Oh yeah forgot about those haha, what is second best though? I don't have access to nukes yet. Cluster maybe?
cluster scatters around and is more AOE than consistent single target damage, especially in open areas
honestly just some normal nobelisks will likely do. They stick to targets after all
I just throw nobelisks everywhere on my path to scare of the animal monsters ๐ฅน
Big usually make it easier. More room has more options.
If not, you can just use the explosive rebar as a makeshift rocket launcher
the reload time puts it at least on the same speed as lobbing nobelisks
I do so much agree โค๏ธ
You can have the bp if you want for inspiration.
I just spent the past 4 hours trying to make an automated smart plating factory from a YouTube video, only for it to fail. Miserably
Big oof on my part
You can do it โค๏ธ
this is why you only look at general layouts from those and dont try to copy it 1:1
like "ok i need these recipes and connect these machines using these resources"
^
You just spent 4 hours getting smarter and figuring out one more way not to do it, so you don't waste time on that later on ๐
make yourself one goal a day, and make it YOUR goal, not from someone else who told you so.
smart plating isnt too hard if you break it down.
its just rotors and reinforced plates.
which both are made from just iron plates, iron rods and screws
in varying amounts
Maybe if I get thr stitched iron plates alternate recipe I can make it easier in my own way
no screws? madness!
So I probably handcraft the 50 smart plating components for phase 1, put them in an assembler, then unlock the tractor and go hardrive hunting
you can also just plop down 2 assemblers and put containers down on their input side and let them craft reinforced plates and rotors from an inventory
rather than manually crafting it all
and then you can source those parts from anywhere you want really
handcrafting them isn't even a choice 
and while the machines do that, you can go harddrive hunting
if youโre worried about getting it wrong, scan for iron, go there, build a factory. if it doesnt work go back to base and ignore it until you need that iron later
Before I start spamming this into my normal will save anything I missed? #screenshots message
itโll work
everything in this game is SO overwhelming at this point.
Do NOT listen to the pro guys ( make 10 million of this and that ) ๐
just make room for expansion.
like never build left, but forward. so you have space to feed new things if needed later on, on the left ๐ .
@rocky moon
you will need to manually connect the power towers
Always remember that up
I wasn't aware the rails would auto connect
only thing iโd reccomend fallout pidgeon. is to try to automate everything
rails do autoconnect yea.
and i think hypertubes maybe too?
avoid handcrafting like the plague
I'd rather sit on the game for hours waiting than handcraft
set stuff to automate, and while ur waiting you can set something else to automate and while ur waiting for that you can explore
do any of you experienced stutters on nvidia cards? switched from 7800xt to 5080 ( currently on 1080p monitor ) and whenever I turn with my character, my fps drops from an average of 140 to like 30 for a split second, frametime shows a spike from 5-7ms to like 40-60ms and my gpu usage goes down + I can literally force the "stutter" when pressing esc button, it will always create a micro stutter, never had that issue on 7800xt
iโve heard vsync can cause issues in menus but thatโs all i know
I've been waiting for motors as I'm struggling to figure out My first oil plant
yea I disabled it, it did not help
Is it normal for my gpu to just
Suddenly max out at 99% usage out of nowhere and kill my frames?
Itโs stable then js
That happens
oil can be a tough one, for my first i did || 50/50 plastic and rubber, and then used residue heavy oil to make fuel. adds up to a nice 1:1:1 ratio|| donโt click if you donโt want help
did you check for driver updates / wipe the old drivers
theres also a shader cache in the game save directory (or similar) that can be wiped
Oh I know I've got satisfactory modeler open it's not hard to understand it's hard to make look good
ah i see yeah refineries are huge
Don't need help. But I'll click whatever I want!
Thankfully I picked the coastal location so I have plenty of room to fuck around with
iโm in the process of building a 200+ refinery machine
more!
you canโt get more than 200+
underclock them and then build more!
200++ 
Ok so tons more msgs sent and whatnot but I had a thought....
Make all of them at 1% power
yes used DDU when I swapped gpus, got the latest drivers as well, shaders were originally compiled with amd but when I switched gpus and used DDU so no leftovers I think
When someone tells me "Get a life" I'll say "You mean Satisfactory? (laughs) I already do that"
ficsit would like to know your location (something something efficiency)
the upipelinecache is the only file that might remain because its not in the driver locations
I think I am defeated.
I am destroying the environment faster than you are
I'm coming up on tier 7 & 8 for the first time and I've been trying to learn about nuclear power. However I'm seeing quite a few people say that making a rocket fuel plant is easier and they just don't really bother with nuclear. For my main source of power should I just be using rocket fuel or...? I don't want to mess with nuclear power much if it's just way more of a headache
Peak efficiency
You're never defeated cause theres no gameover screen!
are you sure about that?
my brain dont want to work with me tonight
Nuclear's main downsides:
they're big. A single nuke makes as much power as 10 fuel gens but its as big as like 4x4 gens stacked
Nukes chug water. A lot of it. You'll need to be decently good with piping
They make waste which cannot be destroyed so it has to be stored or processed. You dont unlock the entire processing chain right away
the calculation of how to place everything is a pain right now.
because everything has to be perfect
"perfect is the enemy of good" or something
oh my brain
ok found it, should I delete it?
Yes I saw the downsides but do the upsides mostly outweigh it? I've never made rocket fuel OR nuclear rods/waste so idk how tough they are to use. I'm kinda just asking what general opinion is for the preferred main power source.
I have achieved the achievabriered
The upside is that it doesnt use oil and its cool.
Uranium has practically no other use
I think the setup is also more space efficient
do you use Satisfactory tools ?
but only at big scales
The quote goes "the best is the enemy of the good"
eh potato tomato
eh spinach avocado
salad 
salad? this is a factory game guys
Which part of aluminum has you caught up
right sorry. spaghetti alficsit
altheimersz
Oysters and ursers
Nobody eats until the power plant is built, back to work
๐ค
your save the day bonus will be affected
half rations, your donut will be cut in half
Is it mostly impossible to use nuclear plants at 250% clock speed? With them requiring 600 fluids/m and 600/m being very hard to sustain?
- ๐ฉ
iโm sure itโs doable if you let the pipes fill and have ur pipes setup right
yes it is possible.
But if you have pipe skill issues and dont know the secret techniques to circumvent some of those issues, which is the case for a majority unfortunately, you'll have a hard time
Getting pipes to 600 is often a battle... cant imagine that battle on dozens of pipes and being sane at the same time
My good sir woulds'th thou care to explaineth
mk 1 pipes out of water extractors and preferably just use 2 fully overclocked water extractors rather than 5 at 100%
after that you just go with a mk 2 pipe after the junction and just slap down a pump
pipes have a "Backflow" mechanic that is not very well explained that messes with the flow in almost all systems
Also is it best to make nuclear plants directly over water so that you have less piping to worry about?
Thx for the tip ๐
yes
Did you fix those pipes?
consult the ficsit plumbing manual
if your whole system loops its often "better" but im like , why not just use two pipes at that point .,,
LMAO โค๏ธ
definitely
the plumbing manual is a bit outdated at this point and doesnt cover the precise tips
oh really okay, thanks
but it does cover most of everything else
!wikisearch plumbing
yes I did ๐
#screenshots message
this might be the mistake I made over the 2000 meter pipe line I made ๐@frosty mirage
where that at
A QoL id love to see be added to the game is that when using the stackable pipeline supports, it shows the max distance they can be from the nearest pipe you are using.
OMG WE HAVE BOT ๐คฏ ๐ซจ
LOL... im glad you found the mistake tho
At least u didnt start all over
From all of this I take it that sometime in the future I will end up having to deal with this apparent nightmare of pipes?
playing at 30 hours in one go, and to pipe lines the last 10 hour manually was a true pain ๐คญ
it work now as they are connected now, I just skipped some by mistake somehow โค๏ธ
keep to basics and keep networks small if its possible
@rugged jasper if you want straight pipes down an angled foundation. Place a junction at each end (they align with the foundation). Connect with pipes. Delete junctions.
Afterwards you can nudge in whatever kind of support you want for cosmetics.
I attempt to compact things
what am I going to agonize over if I keep it simple? ๐
For example I spent several hours yesterday making this conveyor belt from one mining area not fully built to my HUB
theres no reason to ever make a giant 128 machine fuel generator pipeline network that connects through multiple floors and goes throughout multiple factories.
Theres a difference between compaction and overcomplication / agglutination (turning everything into a giant big sticky pipe ball)
Let us add pipe junctions to floor holes, for the love of god (1.2 wishes)
no it is not that โค๏ธ you can see these pictures, what I dealt with over the time
#screenshots message
but first time making something so big, I think it went pretty well ๐
Guys I nearly made in onto that takeoff ship thingy
I was faster than the last time at getting there but still wasn't able to fully get on it before it took off
but right now my brain is cooked ๐ฅน
I find it hard to even place things correctly hehe
Hey that'd be a fun one
everything is always placed correctly as long as it works
I don't have that kind of dedication I'd move my entire factory
unless its really ugly ๐ฎ
sweet said
I kid
Thats just decoration skill issue 
at that point iโd package the eater and use trains
you can turn any factory pretty
Is the factory on the main menu downloadable?
but to each their own , comin gup with ur own solution is the fun
no matter how its arranged
what if you have a spot where 6 belts cross 8 times
nope.
its some kind of prefab scene thats not really a save afaik
Awe sad it looks cool I wanted to steal some of the things
Before tier 9 Is it best to process nuclear waste into plutonium fuel rods and then sink them, as opposed to using them? Since you would not be able to dispose of the plutonium waste before then?
i fail to see the problem
i had this when i went off a BUS system for phase 3, worked well and looked good, but outgrew it
but it has to be in line in my world, and perfect. or else I can't look at it.
I do suffer from real OCD โค๏ธ
and you dare show your face here?
