satisfactory

[swift turret]

pg up

[golden nexus]

i did a build with somebody which is known to me as "the plastic/caterium stack" which builds AI limiter, HI-Speed Connector, Computer, Supercomp, circuit boards, quickwire. Took about an hour.

[strong fiber]

oh ok

Also is uploading 3600 concrete/min overkill?

[jaunty jewel]

how many did it make though

[golden nexus]

Like 20/min comps

[swift turret]

depends how much you build

if you're a minimalist probably

[strong fiber]

A minimalist😭

So am i cooked

[zealous urchin]

#design-and-architecture message

[golden nexus]

It was done on a max rate mk5 belts pure caterium node using tempered copper and tempered caterium recipies on the back side ofthe plastic/rubber being made

[zealous urchin]

lately i just like it weird

[swift turret]

Yeah you're whole world is finished rip

[golden nexus]

the fun part being when you have all the caterium recipies the entire stack just goes layer by layer with nearly zero logestics

[jaunty jewel]

idk that playstyle would not suit me personally

[golden nexus]

Its not really a style, its realizing the interdependency can be worked / optimized to make a lot of the problems simply not exist

[jaunty jewel]

that is a style

[golden nexus]

its also what some of the alt recipies appear to be designed to do

[zealous urchin]

personaly i dont like using caterium recipies but its definately easier to set up than quartz with silica

also doing lots of stuff in one place has benefits too

[golden nexus]

yeah its trading resources for time, source material logestics

[severe pewter]

You all use that much? For what, the uranium stuff?

[zealous urchin]

uploading all that concrete for the next game

[severe pewter]

Lol

[versed cosmos]

if youre using blueprints concrete can go pretty fast

for my 20,000 diluted fuel plant i build a blueprint that had a fuel generator with a roof of foundations and pillars on the corners and i went through 2,500 concrete and had to wait for my depot to refill to finish it

[golden nexus]

I ran out of concrete building my concrete factory... the factory.... #screenshots message

[zealous urchin]

something something 64 acumulators in one blueprint exceeding 2.5k wire

[weak cloud]

I'm on Satisfactorytools.com trying to work out a oil refinery setup. Does a planner exist where I can just tell it to use all bypoducts of a machine to make x amount of something? For example, I have Byproduct: Fuel from Plastic and Rubber. I want to tell it to use all of it to go to Packaged Fuel. If I add Packaged Fuel it adds it as a new desired end product but doesn't calculate it as consuming from available byproducts.

Which in turn messes with the incoming Crude Oil by calculating that it needs more.

[versed cosmos]

It should calculate it from available byproducts unless you're making too much for those byproducts alone

[golden nexus]

Kinda, But you just do it by hand to your own needs, the tools often fall short and you running into their shortfall

[versed cosmos]

Also it needs to make packages for the packaged fuel

And that takes more oil

[reef basin]

please share the production line you're talking about

[versed cosmos]

lucky you the satisfactory tools guy is here lol

[weak cloud]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=cqI2MbW5s7xvb6U5nMEk
Is it because it's calculating that I need more plastic to account for the empty canister?

[versed cosmos]

oh hey greeny question why is there a 0.8 version and 1.0+ version of tools?

[weak cloud]

I just used 1 Plastic as an example.

[versed cosmos]

why not just update the 0.8 version?

[reef basin]

because recipes changed

[versed cosmos]

but couldnt you just update them isntead of making two versions of the website?

[reef basin]

no, because then your production lines would change

[versed cosmos]

oh yeah i suppose for anyone still on 0.8

[reef basin]

(also it's not really two versions)

[versed cosmos]

dont see why or how someone would be

yeah but yk what im talking about

i dont make websites

[reef basin]

the point is also that if you share a plan, it could be plan from 0.8, which would break/calculate differently on 1.0 planner

[versed cosmos]

yeah the problem with this is its making plastic for canisters as well

[weak cloud]

Hmm... I'm just trying to get this in a way where I can use the plastic for the canisters, but also take any fuel byproduct and package all of it.

[versed cosmos]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=FEKvumhgQrYC6UQrZFGc

this would work for you?

[reef basin]

you can just make another plan that packages fuel that is there from input

[versed cosmos]

also are you just starting out making oil?

if that is the case, turn your HOR into petroleum coke instead and send to a sink

[weak cloud]

Oh ok. It's been a couple years since I've used the tool. So I can setup my plastic and rubber factory as a separate thing. Then have a separate factory that can take the plastic and fuel byproduct as an input?

[versed cosmos]

thatll keep the line running and not backing up

yeah just open a new tab

[trail falcon]

i have the same name as you

[versed cosmos]

i do that when im first planning out big factories and then i combine them into one tab once i understand

[zealous urchin]

i would say u could use modeler but tools handles plubber loop while modeler dont

[versed cosmos]

this factory aint big enough for the two of us

[weak cloud]

ok so I opened a new tab. How do I associate another tabs products as a new input for a separate tab?

[trail falcon]

i produce half a reinforced iron plate an hour so im better

[versed cosmos]

"Items, Input" tab

Window on the right

[weak cloud]

Ahh... Items, Input

[trail falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/ai-ai-dog-dog-dancing-pitbull-dancing-ai-dog-dancing-gif-18393031969565490821

[versed cosmos]

Lets you add inputs

[weak cloud]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=z7P9q2X6MKGVj2gi5ZNr

[versed cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

why is that named so weird

its just "epic embed fail" with walter white falling down in the desert

[trail falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

[versed cosmos]

yes that was the joke

my embed fail gif failed i knew it would

[trail falcon]

[versed cosmos]

yeah this works

probably want to make a bit more than this

or refer to the previous tab i shared

[trail falcon]

does this game have any mods im decently new?

[weak cloud]

Nice. Thank you! Now if only I could add Fuel Generator as a consumer of fuel and then I can figure out how much power I want to generate and how much fuel I want to package.
Very helpful, guys. Thanks!

[versed cosmos]

or like i was also saying, if this is your first time with oil just turn HOR into petroleum coke and sink it

Just make as much fuel as you can with your HOR byproduct

[zealous urchin]

tenor.com/.view/.the-concept-is-baffling.gif

[trail falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

[versed cosmos]

HOR byproduct goes into fuel and is then burned and that's how you get rid of it so the line keeps running

[lunar snow]

is it ok to ask steam related issues here or do i need to go to the forum?

[weak cloud]

That's what I did for a while until I researched Fuel Generators. Now I'm going back to redo some of the oil stuff. I want to get a little plastic and rubber factory going and get some fuel generators and packaged fuel. I don't want to overdesign it quite yet. Just get something going and put it in boxes.

I'm currently sinking petrol coke

[versed cosmos]

oil is honestly one of the easiest production lines

the game hands you uses for byproducts

for plastic and rubber for building supplies id honestly make fuel first and then turn the polymer resin byproduct into plsatic and rubber

more power that way

[weak cloud]

So just go right form Crude Oil to Fuel? and then make the other stuff with the resin byproduct?

[versed cosmos]

yeah

at least right now

later youll get alt recipes like heavy oil residue and diluted fuel

then you can squeeze a lot more fuel out of your oil

[weak cloud]

Getting new power online is definitely enticing and eventually using the coal plants as backup, yea.

[versed cosmos]

what are you using the packaged fuel for?

[tired cypress]

Oil power is OP especially when you get some alternate recipes. I just finished the game with a huge turbofuel plant. No nuclear, ionized, rocket etc

[versed cosmos]

i recently built a 20,000 MW diluted fuel plant just to not do aluminium man

[tired cypress]

Just made as much turbo as I could from a couple oil nodes and had around 15GW more than the max consumption value

[weak cloud]

jetpacks

[versed cosmos]

use liquid biofuel

you dont need an enormous amount of fuel for the jetpack

with alien protein you can get a ton of biofuel very quickly

and liquid biofuel burns longer than regular fuel

[weak cloud]

Doesn't packaged fuel have more boost though? and it requires going out to get more things to replenish

[versed cosmos]

no

just make a bunch initially

[weak cloud]

ah biofuel > fuel got it... I'm forgetting a bunhc of stuf already

[golden nexus]

vertical, yes, burn time absolutly not

[versed cosmos]

sloop it if you want

[golden nexus]

the build for biofuel isn't big, its 1 refinery + depot

[tired cypress]

I set up some sloop'd machines to turn leaves/wood into solid biofuel and by the end was practically drowning in it since I only used it for vehicles and jetpack

[golden nexus]

thing aboit the biofuel setup you can "wing it" because you just throw a box of plastic in its generat direction and your good for 500 hours

[versed cosmos]

yeah just build a temporary setup

[tired cypress]

Liquid would have been a good idea but never ended up being necessary

[golden nexus]

so its box of plastic -> canisters -> packer <- refinery < solid biofuel

[versed cosmos]

liquid biofuel's only practical use is in the jetpack

[weak cloud]

ah yea, it's Solid Biofuel + Water

[versed cosmos]

because it's not renewable burning it in fuel generators is an enormous waste

[weak cloud]

we have so much solid biofuel from the early game burners 😂

[golden nexus]

i have a silly setup that is a bin where i can dump anything into it like dead aliens, wood, leaves etc... etc... and it just turns it all to liuqid biofule

[golden nexus]

yeah thats all you throw at it

[weak cloud]

This is hilariously macabre

[tired cypress]

It occurred to me far too late that I should have just left the burners and routed the spare fuel to them to act as batteries (even though I had actual batteries)

[golden nexus]

dead aliens are like 100-200 fuel a go.....

[weak cloud]

a single early game pure crude oil deposit can take you a long way it seems. 240m^3 is a lot of oil to start

[versed cosmos]

1 alien protein converts to 50 solid biofuel i think

100 biomass which is 8 for 4 solid biofuel

[weak cloud]

Isn't cutting trees so much easier? I guess you have to burn fuel to collect it though

[versed cosmos]

overclock it

[weak cloud]

i will

[versed cosmos]

aliens are renewable

• they oppose the ficsit mission and saving the day and the kittens and puppies

it is in ficsit's interests to exterminate them

also, i like my map looking nice lol

[hushed inlet]

Congrats you were demoted to
Rank:janitor
reason:being lazy
FICSIT hopes for you to get better
The e highest rank is: VIP
Work harder and you will be promoted

[versed cosmos]

excuse me i think a mistake was made i am actually ada's favourite pioneer

[stone moth]

No I am

[thorn cave]

i have excess iron and no idea what to do with it

[thorn cave]

ada told me i was their fav

[versed cosmos]

image perms jumpscare

[weak cloud]

Correction: You're not producing enough!

[hushed inlet]

If you want promotion please insert proof

[versed cosmos]

you could send it straight to sink if you just want to get rid of it

how much extra do you actually have?

[hushed inlet]

I kinda feel bad for elevada why do you need a ai in a elevator

[thorn cave]

im on phase one rn struggling to get to phase two and i have countless nodes within 500 meters of me

[tired cypress]

I'm more worried about AI Limiter being a part of nukes. Why is there AI in them!?

[thorn cave]

im in the orange desert place

[versed cosmos]

dont think about using everything right now

youll overwhelm yourself

[thorn cave]

i think ive already done that witch lead to procrastination of phase two 😭

[versed cosmos]

right now id focus on getting plates and rods automated at 100% efficiency for your own building materials

and learn the ratios ofc

[thorn cave]

done that

[versed cosmos]

oh nice

next would be reinforced plates then

[thorn cave]

ive got pretty much all you can get automated in phase one.

[versed cosmos]

oh yeah you said youre on phase 2

got modular frames automated?

[thorn cave]

no im on phase one rn, this is a different playthrough

[versed cosmos]

ah right

tbh id focus on getting your 50 smart plates and getting to coal power asap

[thorn cave]

my first one i spawned myself in the starter sand area, but now i choose the super experienced sand dunes

[thorn cave]

done that, producing 3k using 2k

[versed cosmos]

producing 3k smart plates???

[thorn cave]

no power

[versed cosmos]

no you mean mw lmao

alright probably want to start steel next then

[thorn cave]

im making like 4 a min smart plates

[versed cosmos]

that's good enough

leave that running and you'll have plenty stored up for later

[thorn cave]

i have steel rods and beams automated

[versed cosmos]

i think you need a few thousand for a whole playthrough. theyre a part in future space elevator parts

damn bro i dont think you need help lol

[thorn cave]

i need help with sam tho

[versed cosmos]

for sam i've never bothered automating the fluctuators

[thorn cave]

ive been FOAMING at the mouth for it

[versed cosmos]

just power up a miner and constructor making reanimated sam on some biomass

[thorn cave]

i havent unlocked it yet and cannot find it anywhere

you know the orange sand place with alot of resources?

[versed cosmos]

i cant think of a place in the dunes that has sam

ive never played a dunes start

[swift turret]

theres a cave near the titans forest

[thorn cave]

the grassy area?

[swift turret]

between the titans forest and dunes its impure but it can run early game you'll get enough

[versed cosmos]

and with my suggestion, just set up a miner and constructor on biomass and leave it purity wont matter

[thorn cave]

ive been saving so many power slugs bro

[versed cosmos]

there are so many slugs on the map

[thorn cave]

sounds pretty good

[versed cosmos]

you dont need to sloop every single one

[lost rapids]

👀

[versed cosmos]

ive actually never slooped slugs

[thorn cave]

wow ive used some slugs but ive been storing em recently

[versed cosmos]

slooping feels kinda like cheating to me

[thorn cave]

also theres like no place on the dunes thats flat and its killing me

[versed cosmos]

omg ikr

the dunes says its flat but the dunes themselves are fucking huge

[thorn cave]

nah it uses extra power so its fair

[golden nexus]

roll out the tarmac over the top of it

[thorn cave]

fr fr

[versed cosmos]

build a big block of concrete where you want to build your factory

[thorn cave]

already did that

[tranquil zinc]

anybody know why this is not working? #screenshots message

coal is not entering the freight cargo

[swift turret]

#screenshots message Its here

[thorn cave]

my factorys pretty much floating

[swift turret]

next to the harddrive on the cliff

[golden nexus]

cause its full already? or because the train is docking?

[feral jay]

Is there a train docked?

[thorn cave]

man cannon time heh

[tranquil zinc]

omg, found it. Its because its not connected to power lol

[golden nexus]

is train station powered as well?

[swift turret]

its also by a billion stingers so be careful

[versed cosmos]

always check for the simplest mistakes first!

user error is the number one cause of factories not working!

[feral jay]

Always check your layer 1

(tech joke)

[thorn cave]

i got knobilsks on me so ill be fine

[fluid crow]

try unplugging your router

[feral jay]

Nobelisk, named after Alfred Nobel, the inventor of dynamite

[versed cosmos]

try deleting system32

[thorn cave]

potato tamato

[fluid crow]

the best thing you could ever do for a pc

[feral jay]

Also who the Nobel Prize is named after

[swift turret]

Prize Nobel sr scientist

[tranquil zinc]

lmao, all this hardwork for naught #screenshots message

[swift turret]

try deleting system 32

[feral jay]

You're doing it wrong. It's rm -rf /

[swift turret]

I dont speak linux

begone from me

[golden nexus]

Theres a safty in rm now for this 🙂

[golden nexus]

linux generally doesn't have safties, its will simply let you delete open files etc....

[fluid crow]

no this is doing it wrong

[grim carbon]

what can i do? I have landed in an area with a bunch of iron and copper nodes, but no coal

[golden nexus]

tar extract with a leading / which has not been stripped?

[grim carbon]

when i go looking for coal, it's miles away in inaccessible places

[swift turret]

where are you

theres always coal around

[feral jay]

lol I haven't had a good tarbomb in a while

[grim carbon]

in the desert

[drowsy kelp]

the file can't be opened by new things but it's still fully there as long as something never closes the file

[dry marsh]

forgot --no-preserve-root

[swift turret]

theres coal around there

[golden nexus]

safty in tar for a long time now because of that 🙂

[grim carbon]

no it isn't

[swift turret]

rocky or dunes?

[grim carbon]

i scan for it, and it's a loooong way off in every direction

[dry marsh]

how does one counteract awful fluid sloshing

[golden nexus]

feed it from both ends

[fluid crow]

The problem is I don't know why you would want to delete linux

[drowsy kelp]

i mean the dunes are pretty big

[ivory condor]

Thats the fun part, you dont

[swift turret]

because windows is better

[dry marsh]

lmao

[golden nexus]

Distro hopping?

[ornate saffron]

that is subjective.

[grim carbon]

i can't get to any of it from where i am

[swift turret]

I dont speak in spanish I speak in fact

[feral jay]

No it's not. It's simply wrong.

[fluid crow]

why not keep your home directory

[tranquil zinc]

how to know if incline of a train setup is fine? #screenshots message

[grim carbon]

i've just unlocked coal and it's power stuff

[swift turret]

are you in the dunes or rocky

[golden nexus]

just umount it first

[ornate saffron]

ride it

[grim carbon]

the dunes i think

[drowsy kelp]

what color is the sand

[grim carbon]

but there's lots of cliffs around

regular sand color

[drowsy kelp]

a pale yellowish white or a distinct orange

[grim carbon]

yellowish white, i guess

[drowsy kelp]

so the rocky desert

[grim carbon]

i suppose

[feral jay]

Hard to tell from that screnshot - but trains generally work ok on 2M ramps, and 4M ramps give them a lot of trouble

[swift turret]

I forget where the rocky is on the interactive map ngl

[drowsy kelp]

alllllllll the way to the left

[white dawn]

I think the game won't even let you build rail on 4m-ramp inclines

[drowsy kelp]

it won't

[grim carbon]

it's on the west side of the map

[swift turret]

#screenshots message Theres coal here

[drowsy kelp]

there's 3 coal nodes east of where you are, i went there for my coal

there's also water nearby

[grim carbon]

that's the map on the wiki, right?

[swift turret]

if you're talking about the crater theres also sam there

knock out 2 birds with 1 stone

[weak cloud]

@versed cosmos Hope you don't mind a ping but since you were helpful a moment ago. For the Rubber and Plastic from Polymer Resin, should I just sink excess polymer? Otherwise fuel production will halt if I"m not using all the plastic and rubber, right?

[swift turret]

convert it into fabric and automate gas filters

[versed cosmos]

yeah

if anything backs up it pauses production

[golden nexus]

for oil generally make sure all items sink if you want it to run all the time

[versed cosmos]

easiest solution is sending polymer resin straight to sink

[white dawn]

If the game lets you build the rail, then it should be possible to have trains use it. Each freight car has a base weight, and cars weigh more the more material is in them. Locomotives have a certain amount of acceleration power, which can help with inclines. If you have a train which is struggling on an uphill, you can always add a locomotive to help it out

[drowsy kelp]

no

[weak cloud]

in this case Joe had recommended crude directly to fuel for a power plant. I have a separate crude deposit here I can dedicate for a power plant.

[versed cosmos]

for your first plant, yes

[drowsy kelp]

i might be misremembering the exact direction

[swift turret]

well theres no where else with 3 coal nodes

[versed cosmos]

dont get these people thinking i dont use HOR and diluted fuel lol

[drowsy kelp]

are you sure

[swift turret]

theres 2 nodes near the ocean and 5 in another direction near some caves

[white dawn]

The usual ratio that's put out there is 1:4 for locomotives, though IMO just give it a go and see what works for your routes. For perfectly-flat rail you can technically get away with just a single locomotive, no matter how long the train. May have to wait awhile for it to get up to speed though

[weak cloud]

300m^3 crude is enough for 10 Fuel Generators. That's so much power for now haha

[versed cosmos]

yeah its great

[drowsy kelp]

apparently there's 4 coal nodes there, all normal

[swift turret]

I miscounted :P

[versed cosmos]

that's 4 fully overclocked gens if you have the shards

[grim carbon]

i've uploaded my save to the interactive map, but i can't select the coal nodes for some reason

[weak cloud]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=PJ0wZBo6xCgUAIwfr4J3

[drowsy kelp]

no i just did not know about that 4th node, at all

[swift turret]

well 2 are inside the cave I think and 2 are outside

iirc I havent done rocky since total did his playthrough

[drowsy kelp]

it's closer to northeast from where i started

[weak cloud]

Yea I haven't done any overclocking yet, but overclocking fuel gens as a starting point seems very worth while.

[versed cosmos]

oh it is

theyre huge and you end up with a lot of them

my diluted fuel plant takes 32 fully overclocked fuel gens for 20,000 MW of power

[drowsy kelp]

#screenshots message

all 4 are outside

[grim carbon]

what am i doing wrong?

[versed cosmos]

no overclocking that would be 80 fuel gens

[rich shoal]

first 2 hundred hours already lessgo

[grim carbon]

forget it

Why can’t I see coal nodes in the interactive map?

[swift turret]

oh wild I remember that area just being caves

[grim carbon]

Even though I have all 3 types selected

[drowsy kelp]

it's been here since at least update 9

[swift turret]

I rarely play the rocky desert I have maybe a total of 50 hours

in that area

[drowsy kelp]

i started playing with update 8 but don't remember much that's definitively from that early

[swift turret]

I like the dunes or grassy field way better

[drowsy kelp]

my first save was grassy fields before it got too big to load

[versed cosmos]

man rocky desert is awesome wth

[drowsy kelp]

then second, and technically still my current save, is rocky desert

[grim carbon]

There is no coal!!!

[drowsy kelp]

lately i've been playing on a friends server in the grassy fields more

actually i forgot a rocky save between 1 and 2, i think it got deleted through file shenanigans

[swift turret]

I installed it around 2021 but didnt start playing till like update 5 or 6

then quit until update 8

[drowsy kelp]

i knew about satisfactory far earlier than 8 but never actually bought it

[swift turret]

I was too dumb to understand what actually was happening and nobody really made videos that I liked so I played for like 20 hours

now I have 1300 hours and still havent made a proper factory

:P

[feral jay]

I thought it would be super duper smart to import my belt balancer blueprints from a previous save

But they all use Mk.6 belts

[swift turret]

make a copy on that save with mk5 and import that verison

or whatever belts you have access too

[mental ice]

The only proper factory is the factory that you have made, no other factory matters

[feral jay]

eh, I could, but I enjoy building balancers

So, no big loss

[swift turret]

I havent made one I rushed through before 1.0 and got to phase 4 then realized I had no resources to continue

was easier to restart now then go back and play catch up

[swift turret]

I need to learn belt balancing. I keep using alt recipes that make me split stuff like 38.8383 in 1 direction and 248 in another

[grim carbon]

I’m totally screwed without coal

[feral jay]

It's not that hard. I just remabe a 3x3 balancer. It's just three splitters on one end, then three mergers on the other, and each splitter connects with one belt to each merger. It's really just about how much clipping you're willing ot not to deal with.

[swift turret]

we told you where to get coal. Theres a shore in the rocky desert thats not that far. You can also go the crater area

[feral jay]

Well that's the simple balancer case, anyway

[grim carbon]

I dont know how to get to it without having to go over mountains or through lakes

[swift turret]

what mountains? You should just go through a river, up a hill theres like an area with 4 iron nodes, a copper and limestone all pure, go down another hill and find the shore

[swift turret]

#screenshots message

with blade runners wouldnt take more than a few minutes

[grim carbon]

i don't have any travel tech

[swift turret]

even without blade runners it'll take like 10-20 minutes

get the tractor if you need

[grim carbon]

i do not have ANY travel tech

just my legs

[swift turret]

how far are you?

[grim carbon]

about 1,000+ meters away from any coal node

[swift turret]

I meant in the game

you're looking for coal so I assume you got the 50 smart plating?

[grim carbon]

what do you mean where am i in the game? Space Platform phase? I'm on phase 2, and tier 3 researching transport

[swift turret]

you should have found quartz by then

[grim carbon]

no

[swift turret]

then make some modular frames and get a tractor if you dont wanna run

[grim carbon]

i haven't researched that far yet

[dense violet]

where did you start?

[swift turret]

you're in T3

[grim carbon]

yes

[swift turret]

You can research tractors then

[grim carbon]

yes

but i keep running out of power

i've got like 4 biomass burners

[versed cosmos]

coal power

you need coal power

[swift turret]

then if you dont wanna research tractors then get running

[grim carbon]

i need coal to run coal burners

[versed cosmos]

oh the coal is what's far away?

[dense violet]

grassy fields? go north north west, perfect lake for coal power https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1459381376263655729/1459383621474451629/image.png?ex=696da069&is=696c4ee9&hm=7cf7c530611ecd1099c860b9846b025d5d232506118eac5bc77c86dbfa31800a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[versed cosmos]

i just jumped into the convo so i dont have the whole story

[grim carbon]

yes, fricking yes, the coal is far away

[versed cosmos]

youll use the whole map eventually

[dense violet]

if you're in the grassy fields, it'll be about 1km away , it's very close

[versed cosmos]

dont worry about things being too far

[dense violet]

sprint slide jump to go faster

[grim carbon]

it's not very close, not close at all!!!!

[versed cosmos]

dont think about bringing everything to one place

build factories where the resources are

[grim carbon]

i want to at the very least to get to it first

[narrow canyon]

Anything under 1/3 the map is close.. lol

[swift turret]

what do you want us to say? We gave you options to travel faster but you're refusing all of them

[dense violet]

Look my friend, that is super super close

if this is an impossible wall for you you're going to have major issues later

[grim carbon]

that's for sure

[versed cosmos]

before you know the map it can be a little intimidating

[dense violet]

fill your bags with all the things you need to build the power station and foundations

[grim carbon]

you're not wrong, joe

[spare cradle]

Hmm

[grim carbon]

then get running, right?

[dense violet]

sprint, slide, jump
goes faster than running

[grim carbon]

LOL

i don't know how to do that either

[swift turret]

look for local quartz while you're at it you can unlock blades runners

[narrow canyon]

Or build the cart and just drive

[versed cosmos]

shift to run

[dense violet]

sprint is shift
while sprinting, crouch
then jump

with space

[grim carbon]

I'm sorry if i seem to be ignorant

[dense violet]

everyone learns 🙂

[spare cradle]

Should I... build a hyper tube network after I get my motor factory built and fancied (aka has walls and looks like something than a box)

[dense violet]

if you find it useful?

you could drag tubes and power to various sections of hte map

[spare cradle]

True

[feral jay]

Tubes are my primary method of transportation

Some day I'll do a save and use vehicles instead maybe

[real shale]

i must say, after receiving my big box collection i do enjoy the variety of stickers, just need a mercer sphere sticker now to go along with my somersloop one

[near siren]

man i just built like most i bet a massive mega complex and it looks preety good lol i wish we had first person though in vehicles

[native tapir]

Talk to @thick hazel and ask him if he recommends it 🤣

[indigo kiln]

I'm so used to 2D factory games that I'm struggling to remember that the third d exists

[dense violet]

you get used to it 🙂

[rich shoal]

Imma take my 15 rest minutes :steamhappy:

[leaden turret]

-# the third dimension of 2d factory games is time

[indigo kiln]

So is the 5th dimension time for satisfactory?

[leaden turret]

4th

5th is where the pocket dimension storage is

[indigo kiln]

Ahhhh

[spare cradle]

A window? #screenshots message

Also has different colors of either side

[gloomy tusk]

How do I get the filters

Gas filters for the hazmat suit unlockable

[fluid crow]

research and make it out of fungus

[gloomy tusk]

In the mam?

Damn I hate using that with mycelia

[fluid crow]

yea

[fickle locust]

Is there a way to find ghost uranium?

I've cleared all the deposits in an area but am still getting pinged with strong radiation signals as if there's a deposit in this corner of my factory. And no it's not a hog

[swift turret]

You'll need mycelia to unlock it and oil to automate it

[swift turret]

are you carrying anything radioative?

[coral marsh]

might be some in your dimensional depot

[fickle locust]

No, it's localized to a particular spot, I can move toward and away from it and adjust the amount of radioactivity

[dense violet]

can't you use oil?

[dense violet]

try saving and reloading

[rose lintel]

Is there a way to do an in game to-do list. Not the right click one but a written one like “rework power station” “start new truck line” that sort of thing

[fluid crow]

could make signs

[fickle locust]

The thing on the right hand side of the screen. Press Q, add any building with the little + symbol, there'll be a journal on the right hand side of your screen

[dense violet]

honestly just jot a few thigns down on paper next to your computer

or a word doc I guess if you have multiple screens

[fickle locust]

Solved, the game wasn't registering that I had mined out a deposit so the radioactivity was still there even though the chunk of rock wasn't on my screen. Saving and reloading let me mine it out and now my computers aren't getting degaussed

[pulsar sun]

Hello I am thinking of buying this game is this game good and should I wait for discount to buy this game and does discount comes for this game?

[dense violet]

radiation bugs tend to get fixed on save/reload

[dense violet]

do you like sand box games?
games involving design?
do you like creating your own projects?

if yes? yes
if no? no

[gloomy tusk]

I don’t think I unlocked that yet

[dense violet]

ah you can make fabric from resin iirc

[fickle locust]

I think it's pretty great, I have more hours on this than anything else. There are 30% discounts fairly regularly

[pulsar sun]

Does the game come out in discount?

[dense violet]

in random sales? probably.

but if you like that sort of thing you'll get thousands of hours of game time and it's already cheap

[pulsar sun]

Ok thanks I will wait for it to discount ☺

[gloomy tusk]

I got the game for Christmas and it is great

[dense violet]

I mean , the next sale at best is probably june july for the summer sale

unless you're broke, just get it now, very worth it

if you're broke then yeah, wait for sales. Almost all my games I get on discount. But this one is very worth it

[drowsy kelp]

that 6 or so months of gaming will more than make up for it

[fickle locust]

Third time of 40 computers per minute done! #design-and-architecture message

I finally have enough for Assembly Director Systems

[gloomy tusk]

Omg 40 per minute?

I make 5 per min 😭

[fickle locust]

5 per minute is perfectly reasonable for most use cases, I'm doing some nonsense

Also once you get to all the alternate recipes, mk 6 belts, etc., you can do a lot of crazy stuff. I made this whole thing using only quartz and iron

[naive pawn]

It's something to do with a belt replication from host to client, but in the same boat, can't even join without crashes at this point

[hallow flicker]

It is a bummer for this to happen on a multiplayer game.

I’m pretty much at the point of just telling everyone to take the save file and play on their own in solitude until CSS fixes this.

Also worth noting, this didn’t happen to me pre 1.1.

I’ll just ping <@&370483737957236737> to let them know that we are sad about multiplayer being broken (especially for late game where there are lots of belts in the save).

I’m sure they already know… but it would be nice to know if there is any hope for crash fixes for multiplayer coming soon, now that the holiday break is sortof ended/ending for them.

[leaden turret]

have you tried the experimental branch? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwmpNWuKIJ0&t=127s

[feral jay]

That's a long standing bug. And whatever you do, don't sort your inventory while holding anything radioactive...

[grim carbon]

ok, so i've found my coal node, put a miner there

i've got a water pump in the water, connected a pipeline to it and the coal generator

got coal going into the generator too

but no power is coming from the generator

[hallow flicker]

I haven’t… but thank you for the reminder.

I’ll try it now.

[dense violet]

connect it to a power pole

[grim carbon]

i just did

still no power

do i need to add a pump to the water thingy?

[dense violet]

have some images in #math-and-meta where people can see what you're doing

[grim carbon]

say what?

[rose lintel]

So how many people restarted after their first attempt and learned some things an wanted to start fresh? I’m 30 plus hours in

[feral jay]

No, if you inspect the generators and they have both water and coal, then the only reason they won't generate power is because they have no load connected

[dense violet]

take some images of your set up

preferably from overhead using photomode

paste them in #math-and-meta that I linked

because you can look at images and talk at teh same time

[grim carbon]

oh right

ok

[fallen falcon]

whats the best for transportation of materials: Trains, Drones, Conveyors, or Vehicles?

[feral jay]

Define "best"

[dense violet]

depends on your situation
like almost everythign in this game, there's no absolute best for anything unless you're very specific

[feral jay]

They all have strengths and drawbacks

[dense violet]

and at least some of what is 'best' will be up to your own personal tastes

[fallen falcon]

when I say “best” I mean the most effective method, one that does the job and does not require little to no manual work

[dense violet]

yup please refer to the above comments in reply to you

[cunning glade]

After I get my computers going I have a hmf factory and I can then automate all phase 4 parts right?

[feral jay]

A transportation method that requires "little to no work" does not exist

[fallen falcon]

i may have worded that wrong

[dense violet]

entirely depends on what you're moving where and how much and how you like to do things,

also if you think trains are useful, if you already have trains going other places.

Tehre is no single best

[cunning glade]

oh I'm forgetting aluminum frick

[fallen falcon]

okay ty ty

[dense violet]

You could spam drones everywhere I guess?

[grim carbon]

how do i do photomode in the game?

[dense violet]

just have tons of fuel drones going everywhere? that's... probably the least infrastructure?

but it depends on how and where your factories are

[cunning glade]

P

[dense violet]

p

[feral jay]

And never underestimate the bandwidth of a pioneer with a full inventory

[grim carbon]

i've put them in there

[narrow canyon]

Um.. everyone? Anyone running of only 1 session isn't really interested in playing

[dense violet]

very common. I restarted at tiers 3 5 and 7

very good for polishing skills

[wispy osprey]

Polishing skills is great, pipes aren't so great

[pulsar sun]

I bought it lol 😂

[feral jay]

Are you nuts?

[pulsar sun]

Nope

[leaden turret]

looks at 22+ restarts over 4k+ hours

[queen egret]

The cross platform, used to create smooth arches for foundations, started rotating around the center of the edge, instead of around the corner of the previous snapped walkway. Does anyone know how to get it back?

[dusky hedge]

do you have a set priority of things to rush for now or just play it as it comes?

[leaden turret]

play it as it comes.

deliberate avoidance of use of foreknowledge helps 😅

-# meaning one does not immediately go get a nearby hard drive just cos you know where the crash sites are, gotta wait until you actually see it

[sterile blade]

Spoken like someone who never load-balanced a pipe system

[dusky hedge]

i rush legs and parachute asap so i can explore while phase one is loading
i seek out all the inventory expansions and get an early stage mall
i try to get an inventory of sam and refine/sink it on site or belt it back
beyond that every play feels differnt besides getting coal and dimensional storage

[leaden turret]

try not rushing legs a few times, it feels weird when you first get them cos your brain is re-trained to bunny hop without them

[stray summit]

YO! why are fluid cars so FUCKING small for trains?
what happened to em?

[feral jay]

LOL getting the jetpack always feels weird, then biofuel feels like cheating, and then the hoverpack feels comfy, like old leather, again, and I wonder how I got this far again without it. Every time.

[leaden turret]

cadburys : they didn't get smaller, you got bigger

[stray summit]

fck you ada
"Your payment has been docked."

[mortal stone]

Is there any recommended ratios for early game iron miner? I've got 120/min of ore to process

[hallow flicker]

Is experimental currently any different than stable?

[fluid crow]

make lots of screws

[feral jay]

Using miners is cheating. REAL men use their hands to mine. But I'll give you a pass beacuse Cheez Whiz is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[mortal stone]

I can't decide if it's worth exploring to try and get screwless recipes

[hallow flicker]

Thanks for the pass, I guess.

[feral jay]

replied to the wrong person sorry, but the comment on the username stands

[hallow flicker]

lol

[mortal stone]

Was just starting a new world after getting to coal since the original world is so spaghetti, I didn't want to deal with it

Embracing foundations and world grid feels great

Also it looks like miners don't perfectly snap to middle of world grid?

[sterile blade]

Have you considered asking in any of the moments/ways they use explicitly to answer questions (ie: QA stream, QA site), rather than trying to ping them on social media Sunday morning? 😅

[hallow flicker]

I have considered it.

[dusky hedge]

if youput foundations under the miners it atleast lines up the direction so you can squeeze smelters in beside it to save space

[mortal stone]

That's what I did

[leaden turret]

-# don't wanna be interrupting Mikael's late-night FFXIV sesh

[sterile blade]

Try it too. Streams are where they answer most questions (QA site gets views, but less answers), especially if they're asked in proper timing
(I have a feeling that Sunday morning pings might not count as that...)

[mortal stone]

Can fuel 4x smelters but not sure how to arrange them and store the byproducts

[leaden turret]

QA too busy QAing to Q&A

[mortal stone]

I can only say I hate screws

[sterile blade]

Yeah, the "A" part is quite weak there -.-

[leaden turret]

screw you too, buddy

[mortal stone]

It's like 5 seperate alt recipes to cut them out?

[dusky hedge]

sounds like factorio logic, in this game it works out best to build what you want not what you can
recipes require stuff and a mall helps zoom through the milestones and mam

[mortal stone]

Tbf Ive played Factorio b4 and it's most of my factory experience

[hallow flicker]

Think the streams will start back up this week? Also, it's been on the QA site for 9 months. I suspect they are well aware of the issues...

[sterile blade]

Btw, "byproduct" usually refers to outputs you don't want, not your only output (Smelters output just one thing) xD

[leaden turret]

today is a sunday, week starts on a monday

[hallow flicker]

So... same question... but for next week?

lol

[dusky hedge]

main bus logic is kind of hard to deal with in 3d, can be done but doenst seem worth it
what can help is to label things, like if you are only using 90 iron ore from a miner, and later you need more for something else you know how much is available without taking from another process

[mortal stone]

Mostly having paralysis on designing the output of 2x constructors doing rods

[leaden turret]

checks archive

[mortal stone]

I like to think of fully utilizing 1x node to its fullest and leaving the rest for later

[sterile blade]

Streams are publicized in #announcements iirc.
As I said, they hardly answer on the QA site, which is why streams are a good place for questions (that actually get answers).
Discord sometimes gets some answers, but most of the time in-depth questions are redirected to QA or stream anyway (and normally don't get answered outside of working hours)

[mortal stone]

Just using the output of 1x pure iron node for all T1

And storing them for progress/handcrafting

[leaden turret]

2021: first stream of the year was Jan 12th
2022: first stream of the year was Jan 18th
2023: first stream of the year was Jan 10th
2024: first stream of the year was Jan 23rd
2025: first stream of the year was Jan 14th, but they skipped Jan 21st

[mortal stone]

And using new nodes for assemblers etc

[leaden turret]

#dev-streams

[mortal stone]

So multiple localized factories connected

[hallow flicker]

indeed. The great (un)reliable port snafu of 1.1 was talked about on discord and the QA site... and ignored on the dev streams.

[sterile blade]

I don't know what you're referring to

[echo zinc]

fianlly automated adaptive control units... 😭 it took long enough

so much work for 1 item per min :sad

[dusky hedge]

early game things seem simple enough to have belts laying around for convenience, but later you will see how complicated that becomes

[hallow flicker]

When they moved some of the network traffic to the new port, it was defaulted to 8888, which is commonly scanned, and non-game traffic caused the server to freak out and take the CPU to 100% usage... among other desync issues.

[mortal stone]

I'll probably build a mega factory once coal becomes more accessible

[hallow flicker]

they fixed it.

[mortal stone]

Run supply belts to a central facility before balancing to multiple floors of manifolds

[dusky hedge]

i dont want to spoil too much by saying things you will learn as you go, but the game gets way bigger than it looks at first glance

[mortal stone]

I've seen the calculations of products needed for the CPU iirc?

Ignoring t9 altogether

Actually isn't the idea behind the manifold system similar to main bus in factorio

Except the manifold is tuned to the output of your belt while the main bus is focused on having excess

[dusky hedge]

no, a bus is to hold items ready for use in processes later, the manifold is for distribution to machines/processes locally
edit, just my opinion, im sure there are some who disagree 😮

[long beacon]

how do ya'll disperse your oil amongst generators

because i got 8 refineries on 1 pure and a normal on 16 gens seperated in 4 & 8 and the back 2 always have 1 fuel in em

[hallow flicker]

The extension to the FICSMAS competition referred to in #announcements might or might not have some bearing on the restart of the dev streams for the year.

[leaden turret]

either:

• there'll be a stream next week but no results will be announced
• they'll defer streaming until they have results, unless they have 1.2-related news to announce

[hallow flicker]

seems logical

[leaden turret]

-# 1.2 release date announced next tuesday, confirmed

[mortal stone]

Tbf I'm used to the main bus holding ore and common building blocks like iron plates etc

While I'll only bus in distributed supply lines of ore to process later

In satisfactory

[hallow flicker]

Hope the diluted doggo milk alt recipe makes it in... and golf.

[dusky hedge]

i came from factorio and it took some time to chantge my way of thinking from max supply possible to minimum demand needed

[mortal stone]

My current mindset is optimizing the output of a single node to demand needed and focusing on modular designs

[sterile blade]

I suggest approaching this game as its own, not as a Factorio lookalike
Ie: "I'll try this thing that worked in Factorio to solve this" Vs "I'll try to use the tools recommended to me, then see if I can do something better"

[mortal stone]

Yea I'm taking it with a fresh outlook

Definitely prefer manifolds over balancers tho

It's a lot more space efficient

[dusky hedge]

im trying not to give any spoilers, yoiu will adapt fine im sure

[hallow flicker]

The best way to learn and enjoy is just to play.

[mortal stone]

Tbf I've watched playthroughs before

Spaghetti is eternal tho

Actually wanted to also ask the transport power of trucks vs like a belt of MK3?

[sterile blade]

Trucks use truck stations which use belts, so...

It all comes down to either a belt or a pipe

[mortal stone]

Is the output not limited by the trucks but instead local belt output?

[dusky hedge]

belts are stil the most reliable method but not as much fun to design as all the other options

[leaden turret]

belts go brrrrr
trucks go BRRR

[hallow flicker]

trucks mean you get to play with the trucks... which is maybe fun and maybe frustrating... and maybe both at the same time

[fluid crow]

factory cart goes brrrrr

[mortal stone]

It's both fun and frustrating from the minor amounts of driving I've done with it

[hardy wigeon]

i just started a 1.0 playthrough (my beta factory got as far as nuclear) and im going heavy on the vehicles this time simply because its cool

i had LONG belts in my old world

[sterile blade]

If the "vehicle" is the limit, you just add more "vehicle" until the belt is the limit.
To increase further, one then needs more of both (ie: new truck station)

[mortal stone]

Currently slide moving feels faster than early trucks/explorer

[leaden turret]

so the logic with autopiloted vehicles that you can increase throughput by "simply" adding another vehicle and reusing the previously-recorded path, whereas increasing the throughput of a purely belt-based system requires running the entire length of the existing belt and either upgrading it or manually cloning the route

[hallow flicker]

I have had a blast playing with the trains on my recent playthrough

[hardy wigeon]

trains are so fun

[mortal stone]

The adrenaline of a smooth efficient train system is amazing

[sterile blade]

Trains can honk, so they're superior to everything else

[hardy wigeon]

i never had a 'system' just 2 straight shot back and forth trains different places on the map but it was still fun to build

[mortal stone]

Something about efficient mass transportation optimisation tickles the brain

[leaden turret]

-# train is goose, confirmed

[hardy wigeon]

drones are fun to set up

[sterile blade]

I have to agree... even if they don't honk

[mortal stone]

I've seen drones gameplay but I would imagine they are used for smaller quantities of specific items

[hardy wigeon]

i miss my old save lol. i really miss my jetpack 🙁

im about to unlock the first jetpack

but i miss the building one the most

[hallow flicker]

the jetpack times will return

[mortal stone]

The strongest exploration item early game is the ladder

[hardy wigeon]

wait really? can i just slap it up on cliffs or something?

[mortal stone]

A stack of iron rods will pierce the sky!

[hallow flicker]

I've never built a ladder... but plenty of stackable belt supports that have ladders on the side.

[mortal stone]

Just need solid ground and a parachute

And enough iron rods

[sterile blade]

I too miss my old save, and I especially miss when my best sushi still worked, but CoffeeStain be like: "we've killed it once and we'll do it again! 😈"

[mortal stone]

Actually 40 is enough if you dismantle on the top ladder

You can literally scale forever upwards with 40 rods

[dusky hedge]

comb ined with parachute

[mortal stone]

Bless FICMAS

free chute before MAM

[hallow flicker]

The crashes I've been getting seem to have intensified when one player started building a bunch of sushi belts. might have just been the increased number of belts. idk

[hardy wigeon]

i didn't really do the Christmas stuff but a exploding present gave me TNT early game

[mortal stone]

Can you undeploy the parachute once you use it?

[hardy wigeon]

i still have some lol saving it for when i need it

[fluid crow]

c

[hallow flicker]

very convenient.

[mortal stone]

Huh, I thought I've pressed everything but apparently not crouch

[dusky hedge]

a big part ofo optimization in this game is that items on belts arent separate entities, it is an animation the length of the section of belt, im not sure if that is so with sushi belt but i really have no idea

so having long segmentsof belts rather than lots of small ones is optimal

[sterile blade]

The content of belts don't affect their performance. Rather than the belts themselves, I'd look at their number (ie: more belts more lag, but sushi usually reduces belts) and especially the number of smart and programmable splitters being used (I reckon that they are the ones adding to the computational requirement)
(Forgot reply, @hallow flicker)

[mortal stone]

Well unless you got the letsgameit out tornado

It's forever enshrined as the big boss of optimization

[hardy wigeon]

the jetpack can run on the biofuel stuff right?

[hallow flicker]

taco bell fuel!

[hardy wigeon]

untill i unlock oil?

[hallow flicker]

maybe after then too.

[fluid crow]

liquid bio yes quite well

[hardy wigeon]

I meant the solid stuff you make from trees

[fluid crow]

yea it can

[hardy wigeon]

yay

[fluid crow]

but not very well

[dusky hedge]

bio-rocket-ionized

[hardy wigeon]

eh im not far from setting up my first oil thing. thats what im unlocking next actually

[hallow flicker]

Add hot sauce, please

[fluid crow]

the unlock for refinery and liquid bio should be close

[sterile blade]

Interestingly, AFAIK (excluding all splitter Vs smart splitter performance costs considerations) sushi belts are a bit more optimal than non-sushi, in the sense that:

• Wether they carry a single or different items doesn't make any difference
• If they carry more items, there might be less but more full belts overall (less belts = better performance)

Also the amount of items on a belt (ie: how full the belt is) doesn't change much for performance either

[hallow flicker]

try the different fuel types... but you might actually like liquid biofuel for general exploration even after you get the oil stuff going

[hardy wigeon]

ive had it up to nitro or whatever its called before

sorry im bad at names lol

[fluid crow]

imagine shoving some bio logs in your jetpack

[hardy wigeon]

well im about too

[fluid crow]

it's like a pellet jetpack

[dusky hedge]

that could make sense, but if it stops the optimization from functioning entirely it might not

[hallow flicker]

it works... but not very well

[sterile blade]

I've (apparently) happened to make a save interesting for optimizing signs rather than belts (also, belts had already been optimized a lot by then ahah)

[fluid crow]

just like the jetpacks the pioneers used

[dusky hedge]

i really dont know enough to argue, but im sure that wont stop me 🤣

[sterile blade]

What do you mean by that? How would optimizations just stop working? O.o

[hallow flicker]

back in the day, we didn't have jetpacks. We had to connect belts from the ground. kids these days... shakes head

[dusky hedge]

my understandfing is the optimization takes a belt full of 100 items and creates a single item which is a simple animatin that looks like an endless stream of that item
if ther eare 2 different items they might not be able to run the optimization so it defaults to the original mathod which is 100 items on a belt

[sterile blade]

I remember when people made skybases and conveyor lifts weren't even a thing yet...

[sterile blade]

Oh, that's what I was referring to when saying that having multiple items on one belt (Vs a single kind of item) doesn't affect performance

That specific part has been confirmed

[short mist]

You wanna know what I made in satisfactory

[dusky hedge]

oh cool 🙂

[hallow flicker]

a working computer that runs doom?

[short mist]

A five night at Freddy place for no reason

[short mist]

Good idea

[sterile blade]

The only reason why we can't say with certainty when sushi is "worth it" (performance-wise) is that the computational cost of smart/programmable splitters compared to normal splitters is unknown 🤷‍♂️

[dusky hedge]

isnt that likely to be only an issue when you are in range, as things are averaged when you are far awway

[sterile blade]

Belt logic needs to be resolved all the time, even when not rendered... I think
Ie: when you're far from belts, the GPU might be happier but the CPU shouldn't notice

[weary stream]

dude imagine if they added pioneer to smash

[sterile blade]

I'd love to have more data on this so I could go "acshuallyy, sushi is more optimal her because... 🤓", but unfortunately we know even less than about pipes...

[hardy wigeon]

why build zoop but no delete zoop

[whole drum]

Hold Ctrl for mass deletions

[hallow flicker]

ctrl works for that... kinda

[whole drum]

There's also blueprint delete

[hardy wigeon]

I FORGOT ABOUT CTRL

[spare cradle]

Theres 8 impure nodes together... the best I can get from them rn is 480 without and pshards

[dusky hedge]

g to filter delete also, so you dont delete a power line an kill everything

[hardy wigeon]

oooo ty

[dusky hedge]

i remember going back to base and my space elevater was gone 😮

[hardy wigeon]

did the big bouncy thing knock it over?

[dusky hedge]

nah when using mass delete from underneath things the elevator is often in the background

[hardy wigeon]

ooooooh hahahha

[fluid crow]

those beans did something to your space elevator?!

[hardy wigeon]

THEY STOLE IT

[fluid crow]

they seem like they're always up to no good

[dusky hedge]

they get stuck on my water extractors all the time

[drifting shard]

why is there no oil in the desert part of the map😭

[fluid crow]

I always see um trying to drink up all the water for my coal plant

[full wagon]

should i build my world wide train network and other train pillars on world grid?

[dusky hedge]

i wonder if youi could corrale them in to make a big bouncy castle

[dusky hedge]

really no need but near buidings that are on the grid it makes sense

[fluid crow]

when it makes sense with the direction you're going you can

[full wagon]

cuz smmoth curves with train tracks and i can rotate when not on grid

[whole drum]

They wanted to keep the Americans out

[drifting shard]

I have to get plastic and rubber to my glorious desert full of resources

[opaque wren]

I don't get it. Why is ionized fuel unlocked with rocket fuel. But you need ionized fuel to make rocket fuel?

[sterile blade]

Something experienced players would never do

[dusky hedge]

would never do more than 9 times 😮

[whole drum]

I think you're reading the recipes wrong. Ionized doesn't make Rocket.

[opaque wren]

Desert is not green. So that should be safe anyways.

[sterile blade]

I don't think it's the grass they're after 🤔

[buoyant viper]

is there somewhere I can ask for help with a weird visual bug? I can't seem to find a fix anywhere

[sterile blade]

#1038092680493801533

[opaque wren]

Well, they are after GREENland.

[sterile blade]

Well played

[opaque wren]

You are correct. It's nitric acid. I need my coffee...

[dusky hedge]

the ficsit way is to cover it in concrete

[sterile blade]

They do look quite similar...

[opaque wren]

I wish they would simply use more colors if they cannot make more models.

Like....coal, compact coal and petroleum coke look the same

Can't they just....add a different color or something.

[buoyant viper]

I think that would make my particular issue worse

[sterile blade]

But they all do have different models 😅

(Though they also do tend to look quite similar overall)

[fluid crow]

they all black chunks so, it is what it is

[sterile blade]

Coal is the only one without any white highlights (ie: the least shiny)

[opaque wren]

I don't see any highlight honestly. Sure, If you look carefully you can see some model differences. But I bet I am not the only one who has to double check when some receipe uses "coal".

[fathom portal]

Hello, i'm playing rn, i'm at the middle/end of phase 2, i'd like to have someone with me to build factories for versatil frameworl and smart plating, is someone up ?

[short fiber]

Too whichever dev suggested, modeled, and made the power tower

I love you and I hope your pillow is cool tonight on both sides

[sterile blade]

Yeah, the size of the in-game icons can be a bit of an issue 😅
Imo, they're pretty clear once you get to see them in a bigger frame (the wiki is a good example, but I can't recall if there's any in-game example)

Funfact: Coal is the only one of the three whose model and icon have been changed in time

[opaque wren]

Sure but if I have to open the wiki, it means the game UI already "failed".

[opaque wren]

Why? I mean power towers are pretty useless but theyre is at least the aesthetics aspect, I guess.

[short fiber]

I'm not saying anything negative about them. I like them. Read the rest of it

[fluid crow]

there is an item abbreviation option to make things easier to tell apart

[sterile blade]

I meant to say that the icons are clear at some size. As I haven't looked for those details in-game in a long time, I can only recall the wiki as an easy example and don't remember what's the maximum size the game offers (eg: icons are bigger in some UIs)

[opaque wren]

I am sorry, English is not my first language. I understood the "I hope your pillow is cold" as a curse. 🙂

[stone python]

hnow is that a curse

who doesnt want a cold pillow

[short fiber]

Oh my bad brother. It's meant to be like how i wish for their bed to be comfortable and not to hot for them

[opaque wren]

I don't?

[sterile blade]

Tbf, reading about cold pillows doesn't sound great if you're in a country where it's winter 😅 😆

[stone python]

are you a demon??????????

[opaque wren]

I like them at room temperature not cold. lol

[stone python]

the curse would be: "i hope your pillow is warm when you flip it over"

[fluid crow]

power tower bad ass

[opaque wren]

It looks good but it doesn't have much use mechanically. I even placed normal towers after I had a grid of them. Simply to move around with the Hoverpack easier.

[sterile blade]

That building range when using Power-Lines on them...

[fluid crow]

they have their place

early exploration with power towers is goated

[stone python]

theyre fantastic for the zipline, since you dont have to jump and transfer

[sterile blade]

Before hoverpack, they're great for ziplining (otherwise achievable only with ceiling connectors, much more cumbersome to place especially outdoors)

[dusky hedge]

i like them cos i can see the path they take when im zooming around looking for shit

[short fiber]

It making everything so much easier

[dusky hedge]

connecting to power grids youi cant see is a pain

[opaque wren]

I found them difficult even for zipline "era". You can't always latch to the next tower (it's easier on downhill but not that easy when you ascend).

[whole drum]

Towers = Zipline
Poles = Hover

[fluid crow]

train tracks=hover

[whole drum]

Unless you build them too far apart (even though they will still connect)

[sterile blade]

Speaking of distance... The only issue I have with power towers is that they can exceed the render distance of their Wires in some cases... Swinging your Zipline at the air hoping to grab an invisible wire can be annoying, especially so when hundreds of meters above the ground without parachute or jetpack

[opaque wren]

If the zipline would automatically connect between towers, then it would be something.

And if you use power towers, then you still don't have good range for hover in that area.

[fluid crow]

it does as long as the turns not too sharp

[sterile blade]

It can, but it also cannot depending on the angle between the towers ^^

[opaque wren]

So might as well just it well "the first time".

[fluid crow]

I can clip on to a wire and go afk to my destination

[opaque wren]

Maybe that's something I missed. Even straight line towers and I couldn't clip.

[whole drum]

If the angle between towers isn't too sharp and you connect via right-click instead of left-click, they will automatically connect and let you travel hands-free

[opaque wren]

So I just gave up the idea.

[sterile blade]

Ngl, I have some fun trying to have at least one or two power cables go along the factory on carefully-placed ceiling mounts, just so I can hop on and tour the factory hands-free

[sterile blade]

That sounds very wrong

[whole drum]

Yeah, straight towers definitely connect. Probably pebkac.

[sterile blade]

Imagining towers at the same height, you should be able to keep ziplining between them if the angle is between 0 and ~60

[whole drum]

Going from a level tower to an ascending tower, the angle needs to be pretty shallow. Same if descending onto a level tower.

[fluid crow]

the angle has to be pretty bad for it to eject you tbh

or you hit a tree

[whole drum]

I want to estimate about 30 degrees

[stone python]

if i hit a tree, i burn down a square mile of forest

[whole drum]

Some trees are fire immune tho

[fluid crow]

it is a great reminder to do some forestry

[sterile blade]

I think 45 should be doable still...?
It's been a while for me 😅

[whole drum]

Yeah, it's just an estimate. 45 has been a bit harsh in my experience, but I haven't precisely measured it.

Going from level to descending is much more forgiving

[opaque wren]

Can you put labels on pipes?

[whole drum]

You can use signs

[stone python]

not directly, but you can use signs

or color code

[sterile blade]

Color coded pipes are sexy

[whole drum]

Yeah, I like color coding most things

[opaque wren]

I just want to place information on throughput since I see the numbers going into .75 and such.

[whole drum]

Or at minimum, color coordinating them

[opaque wren]

I don't have problems distinquishing the liquid.

[sterile blade]

I vividly remember the pain of coloring lifts only to see them all black next time I loaded the game (~U7)

[whole drum]

Just keep your pipes full and you should always have the throughput you need (as long as the pipe can hold enough).

[opaque wren]

That's not always ideal.

If you go oil -> residual -> fuel -> turbo -> rocket fuel ...etc

[sterile blade]

Signs are the only way 🤷‍♂️
And yeah, no way to "automate" their content in any way without mods...

[whole drum]

Managing throughput with partially filled pipes is certainly less ideal in most cases

[opaque wren]

If you want to max fill each pipe it's to much of a hassle

it's easier to just max the oil pipe and go from there.

[whole drum]

It's really not. It's calling "priming" and only involves letting the pipes fill up before turning on machines that draw from them.

[opaque wren]

That's not the issue. The issue that if you want to max up each pipe in the chain you always have to add more oil as input.

And that's not really a good practice (in my opinion)

[whole drum]

No, you just prime the pipe, then make sure input = output.

[sterile blade]

I think they meant maxing out the throughput, not the fill level of the pipe(s)

[opaque wren]

But you can't since the output it's not 1:1

so as long as the end product is consumed (fuel in this case), you won't have max pipes in the chain

[whole drum]

Which is what ratios are for. If you create 30 Tfuel/m, you need 4 generators to consume it. You prime the pipes, then turn on the gens.

But if you don't fill the pipes, you are inviting all kinds of throughput issues that are easily avoidable.

Especially if you try to use pumps, valves, buffers, etc too

[opaque wren]

So let's say I go plastic and rubber. 10 refs each. That's 300 residual which gets converted to 200 fuel.

Are you going to add additional infrastructure to make that 200 fuel into 300 fuel?

And even so more down the road (when you go for turbo fuel and rocket fuel)

[whole drum]

You prime the pipes, then make sure the amount you put into the pipe is equal to the amount you draw from it.

Otherwise your throughput gets disrupted by sloshing and fill ratios.

[opaque wren]

But that's not the concern. The idea was to have a label to see the throughput of each pipe.

Whether the pipe is primed or not that's not really a problem.

[whole drum]

You can do that, but if you follow that principle, you don't need to.

If you know that you keep the input = output during the build process, you don't have to care what the actual amount is.

[fluid crow]

I like to let the pipes fill before I turn that phase on or turn it on in stages

[whole drum]

Priming is the best step to take to avoid sloshing, which hampers throughput. The next best step is to feed your manifolds from both ends to create counter pressure that minimizes it.

If you go directly from one machine into the next, this isn't needed.

[opaque wren]

yes you do. If you build the entire factory in one go, then sure, you do it once and forget it. But if you do it step by step as you unlock more advanced research (e.g. you unlock rocket fuel and you want to convert your turbofuel) you have to double check again how much you had.

We have a belt monitor right?

Is there something some pipes as well?

[whole drum]

Only when you actually interact with the pipe.

There's a visual indicator on the outside of pipes, but it's not a precise measurement--it's just letting you know what the behavior is.

[opaque wren]

Yes but that's not very accurate. I checked on a straight pipes.

[whole drum]

And as for staged building, you only need to know the outputs of the final machines.

[opaque wren]

2 segments next to each other and they have different values

[whole drum]

Then just match that to the inputs of the new machines.

[whole drum]

Yeah, because sloshing can occur, depending on setup.

[fluid crow]

pipes don't necessarily only flow in one direction

[whole drum]

Which is why oppositional feeding of manifolds helps fight sloshing

And why priming does

[fluid crow]

I haven't had any problem only hooking up one side of a pipe

[whole drum]

Basically, if you have 3 pipe segments at various fill levels, the fuller segment will try to fill into the empty space of neighboring segments, which can cause a new imbalance, so the process repeats--and while I don't know the math for how it decides how much to fill, it does seem to be ratio-based, so this means it takes many, many cycles to "even out."

When the pipe segments are all completely full, this barely occurs as the throughput is merely a matched displacement along the series of pipe segments.

[whole drum]

No, I'm talking about feeding opposite ends of pipe manifolds--not every pipe.

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1462379510841213010
Example

[fluid crow]

I haven't had a problem not doing that

[whole drum]

You don't always need to, but it is most noticeable when you're first warming up a new build or loading the game, thanks to weird issues with how fluids behave in those states.

Depending on the build, there may be a more mathematical reason to do it as well, rather than purely mechanical. In that example posted, each extractor is doing 100 water/m while each refinery is intaking the same. The primary feed pipe that goes to the junction that splits the manifold is Mk2, while all the other pipes are Mk1

If you don't have Mk2 pipes, you would actually have to connect 2+ extractors from the other side for this to work.

This is commonly seen in the 3:8 coal setups

[opaque wren]

Isn't it easier to just connect from the other side instead of 4th position (in your case)

[whole drum]

Wym?

[fluid crow]

I have 585 going to a coal plant through 1 pipe, been running without flaw for some time

[reef basin]

Belt counter is not very accurate either

[whole drum]

I've found it to be "good enough" in most cases as long as I give it proper warm-up time--which varies depending on the state the belt was in before I started measuring it.

[opaque wren]

Hmm...let me make a quick sketch.

[rose lintel]

alright restarted in the rocky desert this time. on a much faster place then my first attempt. got to a semi automated power system with solid biofuel in 3 hours instead of the 15-20 from last time

[whole drum]

Rocky is a very fun start

[whole drum]

Ah, I see. It doesn't actually matter much. It achieves the desired effect either way.

[rose lintel]

was a lil differnt. at first i was "sweet pure nodes!" then realised i cant really make use of tehm till i unlock splitters

[wispy osprey]

How do you load balance something that is an average non static input

[opaque wren]

My first start was in grasslands. I started in desert the second time (this run). It feels so much easier.

I am not sure why grasslands is recommended for new players.

It's for sure harder

[dusky hedge]

space and easy terrain

[wispy osprey]

Fluids are not exactly at that rate, it's an average

For some reason

[opaque wren]

Yes but if you just make a foundation at reasonable elevation, you already covered both of those.

[trail falcon]

as a satifactory player should i get dyson or factorio next?

[opaque wren]

Whereas the lack of resources to get your trains going is much more painfull.

[wispy osprey]

Shapez 2 if you can

[dusky hedge]

new players need to learn that, once you know how to build vertically the grasslands is crap

[whole drum]

I hate Grass start, but the "logic" is basically that you can't really maximize pure nodes until later phases anyway, and you're supposed to expand into other biomes by the time you can really use pure nodes. They also don't want to overwhelm new players with the requirement for build verticality.

[wispy osprey]

Shapez 2 looks decent but it's pc only

[trail falcon]

never touching that game

[wispy osprey]

It's a decent logistics game, why??

[opaque wren]

I mean...Mk2 is what, Tier 1?

[trail falcon]

theres better options

[wispy osprey]

?????

[dusky hedge]

great game, gets really complex really fast

[whole drum]

And some argue that you should have Mk3 before using pures. I think this is a crap opinion, but some people feel that way.

[trail falcon]

but yeah factorio or dyson

[rose lintel]

I'm gonna heavily recommend captain of Industry. adds colony mechanics along with pollution

[opaque wren]

It depends. Factorio is more complex but older and less polished.

[whole drum]

Factorio is honestly really good, but is also a very different vibe than Sf.

[fluid crow]

the power savings from pure nodes is kind of more relevant early on

[wispy osprey]

Strictly between the 2, go Dyson first

[opaque wren]

Dyson sphere is a more modern game. Also....creating your own dyson sphere is quite a sight.

[steady yacht]

Factorio is the first factory building game to play imo

[wispy osprey]

You'll pour more hours into Factorio plus expansion

[opaque wren]

I rememeber checking my Dyson Sphere progress and i was just mesmerized.

[fluid crow]

Factorio is legendary

[rose lintel]

anyone try Star Rupture yeet?

[steady yacht]

yes

[opaque wren]

But from a mechanical standpoint, Factorio is supperior.

[whole drum]

Factorio has a free demo. Try it first.

[steady yacht]

somewhat dissapointing

[wispy osprey]

I was considering Techtonica but it's unpolished and abandonware

I'm surprised it has a console release

[opaque wren]

I will try it soon I think.

[steady yacht]

Star Rupture is technically still in early access and I would like to see slightly more improvement from it before putting in the hours but it shows a lot of promise

[opaque wren]

I see it's at discount until 20th. So I was thinnking I give it a try.

[rose lintel]

ive put 7 hours in co-op. its fun but definetly can see where it needs some work

[dusky hedge]

dyson gets kind of boring compared to other building games for me, i never got far in it
factorio has insane variety of mods to make it replayable, seablock is an incredible mod which makes resources infinite and changes up the dynamic entirely

[steady yacht]

I couldn't get through dyson sphere after playing factorio and satisfactory

[trail falcon]

i think ill get factorio and get dyson later since its cheeper

[fluid crow]

space age is a lot of game

[wispy osprey]

What's your opinion on infinite factorio resources anyway

Is it too cheaty?

[rose lintel]

a lil differnt, when you run into efficiency issues on a line in satisfactory its at teh beginning or middle. not loading into the delivery area. Star ruptture the delivery method is slower

[trail falcon]

mindustry looks cool too

[dusky hedge]

seablock is designed around it, yoiu pump water and remove minerals and turn that into stuff, its crazy involved

way harder than factorio

but like satisfactory once you get something building right youi jusdt leave it unless you want to upgrade it

[wispy osprey]

Isn't factorio hard enough lol

It's basically programming

[dusky hedge]

once you solve it you want more challenge

[opaque wren]

I personally dislike a little bit the idea of infinite ressources (also a drawback for Satisfactory in my opinion)

[wispy osprey]

I thought you only wanted to consider the 2 options between Dyson and Factorio

Having more options is good

[trail falcon]

i was just saying it looked cool

and i only just remembered it after sending that message

[opaque wren]

I think Dyson Sphere is better if you plan to play less than 1k hours. Factorio has a steep learning curve. But it's pretty much endless with the modding support.

[fluid crow]

the isometric spaghetti puzzle with 2 lane belts is mind boggling

[dusky hedge]

mindustry and creeper world 3 are good games but not very long or replayable

[whole drum]

2-lane belts are honestly goated

[wispy osprey]

My main gripe is in SF is aside from sink which is mindless, there's no delivery logistics from your planet. Like dailies and weekly quotas that the game itself gives you.

There's more to this idea than just that but this game is actually missing great potential in actual logistics

[rose lintel]

but seriously. If you like automation games Captain of Industry is pretty great. its 94% positive on steam . And besides mining wth excavators you have to sort the ore and dump the rocks an dirt somewhere. then you have to grow food to feed yur people and designate dump sites for trash, very involved

[wispy osprey]

Like, I want an actual endgame loop rather than giving the goal to myself

[opaque wren]

I personally like the approach Dyson sphere has on it. There is an infinite sink in research - which valuable bonuses.

End-game can be a bit lacking though (purpose-wise).

[fleet garden]

It's early access, no? Does it feel complete enough to warrant a playthrough? It's been on my wishlist for a minute now.

[wispy osprey]

Seems to be a trend in logistics games

[opaque wren]

It's fun to colonize 27 planets and handle logistics though.

[trail falcon]

i got factorio guys

[dusky hedge]

its just different, it takes away the mundane chore of aquiring new resources for something you built weeks ago so you can focus on new things
these games are long enough without adding work

[wispy osprey]

"Planets" are hilariously small

[rose lintel]

i havent gotten far enough to tell you. but from some playthroughs ive checked out eventually your sending up rockets an bringing asteriods down to mine. thats sounds pretty deep

[dusky hedge]

my two fav mods are seablock and warptorio, both for very different play styles

[trail falcon]

thanks

[opaque wren]

I understand. And I am not saying that there isn't any value. It's just my preference. There could be a way to simply adjust your inputs (e.g. from a trainstation) once the resources are depleted.

[wispy osprey]

Also consider the expansion when you reach base endgame

[opaque wren]

The fact that you can pretty much "waste" everything seems a bit ...off.

Like, if I need to arrange my inventory, I just sink all.

And then pick new stuff.

[trail falcon]

im mixing my factorio time with satisfactory so that probably wont be for a while

[opaque wren]

It's faster. But I would not do this in a game where resoures are not infinite.

[rose lintel]

and since people are suggesting complex space games. its not automation. But Terra Invicta is pretty darn great

[opaque wren]

Terra Invicta doesn't have automation. But it's a great game. Probably among the best "space battles" out there.

[fluid crow]

I think satisfactory focuses more purely on the logistics. Maybe that it needs bigger end game goals

[opaque wren]

It takes 100 hours to get a fleet going.

[wispy osprey]

I wish factorio was on ps5, I'm not getting a switch

[trail falcon]

its on switch?

just get a steam deck

[rose lintel]

I'm trying a 2070 start. wow is that different

[trail falcon]

its got ps5 games and steam games

[fleet garden]

That sounds really cool. As does all the other stuff that you said about it. Ugh, damn it all. Looks like I might be making a purchase.

[wispy osprey]

I'm done with handhelds, they destroy my wrists after a couple hours anyway

[opaque wren]

I finished the Brutal difficulty with 3 factions and then I stopped. Maybe I will try later once mods / new mechanics are in.

[rose lintel]

its just hit 1.0

so far ive only had 1 early access game that felt unfinished. Manor Lords. But they did just drop a massive update Beta so looking forward to getting back to it

[pulsar sun]

This game is soo nice today only bought the game it's graphics plus it's understanding pretty straight forward first time playing and i now don't need to farm ores manually they now easily come to my doorstep and i simply grab them from storage box nice game ☺

And i want to know is thier any ending to this game ?

Just need to try multiplayer that it is working or not 😄

[opaque wren]

The game has a "finish" but you can play endless AFAIK.

Or better said, until your CPU/GPU collapses.

[rose lintel]

i will say i have 131 games in my steam library (granted a bunch are one si got in a star wars humble bundle nd several are digital board games, plus the 22 in my pile of shame yet to be played) and only marked 6 games as favorites. Satisfactory is one of them

[pulsar sun]

Meaning?

[opaque wren]

Meaning at some point there will be to much stuff in your save and your game will be to slow.

But you will need 1k+ hours to reach that point.

[rose lintel]

watch Lets game it out for an example

[fluid crow]

you can build a bigger factory until you're hardware says nope

[pulsar sun]

Thier is a new game similar to it but it doesn't support controller and i only play using controller but later on after soooooooome time i may think of buying that if I complete this game

Can you make rail in it?

@opaque wren

[opaque wren]

Rail as in ...train station network? Oh yes, it's probably one of the best games for that (?).

At least from what I've played.