satisfactory

[strong fiber]

Im not using it for anything atm

But i need to keep them running for polymer resin to make rubber

I could turn it into petroleum coke and sink it

But thats lowk boring

[fluid crow]

are storage batteries free power? They don't seem to use 100 MW while charging

[sudden flint]

👏 FU👏 EL👏 GEN👏 ER👏 A👏 TORS

[strong fiber]

But i gotta make fuel bro

And that its gonna make like 1400 fuel

And im already tryna make a big ass nuclear plant thats what i need the heavy oil residue for

Im not placing all those fuel gens

28 fuel gens assuming full oc

[sullen gull]

🤷‍♂️ Good backup power to start the nuke plant

[strong fiber]

I got battery backups to start the nuclear plant😭

Like 208 batteries

[grim plover]

i need like 8GW to start my rocket fuel and i only have like 80 coal gens lol

[strong fiber]

My rocket fuel is 14 Gw

[versed cosmos]

They do not consume power, just store any extra.

[strong fiber]

Iirc

[grim plover]

my rocket fuel is gonna make like 114GW

[strong fiber]

Mine makes 130 GW

[grim plover]

but ima need around 65GW to start uranium and process waste

[strong fiber]

Rocket fuel?

Using uranium

[grim plover]

nah for nuclear

[strong fiber]

You mean nuclear?

[gloomy tusk]

Just realised dimesnional depot are unlocked in the mam I’ve been waiting till I reached tier 8 to get them 😅

[sullen gull]

I believe that is just saying what they need as a prescursor to nuke

[grim plover]

yeah

[gloomy tusk]

Hey tinker

How do I get synthetic power shards in the mam

[sullen gull]

Slug tree

[grim plover]

bottom node

[gloomy tusk]

Yeah but how do I get the compressed diamond or whatever it’s called

[grim plover]

the time crystal ?

[sullen gull]

tier 8 iirc

Nope. wrong, Tier 9

[gloomy tusk]

What

That sucks

Thanks

[jovial beacon]

Oh finally that means it shouldn’t be too far from now for me😭

I think, i just finished automating phase 3 requirements and should start phase 4 in around 30 mins

[grim plover]

im only just into t8 on this savefile

but im doing a lot of stalling

[jovial beacon]

I have a very large amount of afk time on my save and I’m barely finish up phase 3 rn

I can’t even imagine what phase I’d be on if I was active the entirety of all my playtime on this save😭

[grim plover]

im almost at 200h on this save

[jovial beacon]

I’m hitting around 120 hrs 🥀

[grim plover]

actually, question

whats the max freight cars u can put on a single engine before it starts slowing down again

i frogor

[tranquil zinc]

trying the recycled plastic/rubber factory, I think I messed up #screenshots message

Can I inject 800 plastic and rubber for this to start?

or do I need to add regular plastic and rubber to this production chain in the beginning?

[strong fiber]

Yep inject then you gotta loop it back around

Also

[tranquil zinc]

ok, I was scared there for a sec, I though I missed a production chain

[strong fiber]

Little plastic area complete #screenshots message

All the stuff in the background is for nuclear

[tranquil zinc]

this is the whole production chain #screenshots message

Is this fine?

[strong fiber]

Yeah

As long as you loop the rubber/plastic/min needed back around then use extra for producton

You just need to kickstart it

[tranquil zinc]

yes, Assuming it works, each refinery block is producing 800 rubber or plastic, half of which loops as input to the opposite block

thanks

[strong fiber]

I still dont know what todo with the 700 hor residue but i will find a use eventually

Its getting turned into petroleum coke and being sinked right now

[dense violet]

Petro coke and sink it?

[strong fiber]

Thats what im doing currently i want to find a better use tho

[fickle locust]

That's how it should work

[strong fiber]

Dead chat😔

[grim plover]

sotru

its 4am rn now

[strong fiber]

Only 11pm for me

5 hours behind me

[grim plover]

?

ahead

[strong fiber]

nah

behind?

Is it Thursday for you?

[grim plover]

im GMT 0 ur GMT-5

yes

[strong fiber]

Im not gmt

[strong fiber]

Its wenesday for me

[grim plover]

-5 as in -5 to gmt

as in EST

[strong fiber]

Yes im EST

[grim plover]

which is also GMT-5

[strong fiber]

I thought u meant GMT 5

My brain fried tryna work on this nuclear plant

[grim plover]

lol nw nw happs

[strong fiber]

And now my eye hurtin like beuh

Ion even know what im talking about anymore

All machines are placed literally just have to do beltwork and power then bring in resources on trains and belts and uranium on drones then i can sink UFR

Until plutonium is done then i can run nuclear plant then gotta decorate

Probably gonna be working on this for another two weeks

[grim plover]

im missing some stuff for particle enrichment so i can get nitric acid unless i try to farm for the alt rocket fuel recipe and then after that its just a case of automating the last parts for all machines and placing it

and building all my trainlines

[half atlas]

Guys I know I'm like a little upset but like

When you play multiplayer Satisfactory, you are playing for common goal right? You're not branching off to build your "own base"?

[sullen gull]

Or playing cooperatively. 🤷‍♂️

Getting large factories and such done quicker

[half atlas]

Yeah so IDK why me being upset about "factories being so split" and the idea of "sharing the hub" is not translating to them

[sullen gull]

Er, you can only build one hub for starters. Secondly, doesn't sound like a very "fun" experience.

[half atlas]

Yea, that's literally what I said and told them that it'd rather be a single player if we were to build so separately

Like I understand the need of "not having overlapping things" or "having multiple of things" but like

[sullen gull]

Having said that, some do tend to have their own "styles" of building and can be very "stonch" on things being done a specific way.

[half atlas]

I dunno. I do not like the way they play Satisfactory. They care for efficiency but don't care to play with the players they're playing with

[grim plover]

i dont really play multiplayer much but isnt the whole point to play together ?? if theyre so set on doing stuff their own way wouldnt it make more sense to just have single player worlds ?

[half atlas]

What I said

[peak wasp]

Do things like trees and mushrooms grow back

[half atlas]

But like I said... IDK. I am happy they enjoy this game. I'm upset because we can't play together

[grim plover]

nah

hmm i need 357 electromagnet rods im kinda tempted to take the alt

[sullen gull]

Is this something you're hosting?

[sullen gull]

If not aware, there are enough drives on the map for all the alts

[grim plover]

ik

[half atlas]

No, it's them hosting

[grim plover]

more than enough, and u can buy more later im just lazy to go find all rn now i have a large checklist of stuff

[half atlas]

It was like that for four separate save files

[coral marsh]

Placing down 478 fkin refineries takes way longer than youd think

But ill have enough turbo fuel for 445 fuel gens

[sullen gull]

Omg no... lol.. overclock! 🤣

[zenith shard]

where do you even find the place with enough water O_O

[coral marsh]

Absolutely not, I am not slug hunting

[hard stump]

Is Smart plating needed in any other phase?

[coral marsh]

No water for turbo fuel

Ill only need water for rocket fuel

[grim plover]

i need 600 shard so i can oc to 237.87% on 200 gens

despair

[strong fiber]

I started riding a train and my game crashed

Yeah thats enough satisfactory for the night

[zealous urchin]

i saw one guy once joining a server, start everything from scratch on his own on the other place of the map and then two days later he was ordering everyone around, next day he jumped on a kid 14 or 15 yo in group chat, called him out and left since i was the only one not enjoying this

[sullen gull]

Oof, why the hate? lol. It's such a beautiful map 😊

[hard stump]

Is Smart plating needed for any other phase especially the last two? Trying to debate if I can rework a factory I had that also made smart plating

[zealous urchin]

its only for elevator parts

but its honestly very easy to make always

[coral marsh]

I dont want to slug hunt yet

[grim plover]

needed for a phase 4 part ig but other than that no

[sullen gull]

Lol, fair. The emphasis on the not made it seem personal 🤣

[hard stump]

I agree that’s why I was asking cuz I knew if I needed more it’s the easiest but can make more rotors if I get rid of it and rework that factory

[zealous urchin]

there is 93k iron on map
do with that what u will

[grim plover]

i need more sam than exists on the map

unless i hunt alt recipes

which i might do once i finish my power

[sullen gull]

<@&387163995947270144>

[coral marsh]

Lol fair assumption

Ill eventually be upgrading to rocketfuel, so im hoping I'll produce enough turbo fuel to possibly triple down on my fuel gen count

[weary kestrel]

huh weird time to glance at chat

[half atlas]

Is it just me or does it feel like conveyor belt's "x/min" doesn't matter when it comes to automating things?

[narrow canyon]

It really only matters for high volume items.. or sushi

[weary kestrel]

ngl it matters A LOT to me when I have one side of my production being slow and the other being fast, the sooner my rotors can reach the assembler with the stators waiting, the better 🤣 but that might just because I have inefficient designs

[sullen gull]

I look at it just a maximum. If I need to move >=60/min, mk1, 187.5, mk3 , etc

[narrow canyon]

Mk6 for everything

[versed cosmos]

mk3 is the sexiest belt

[half atlas]

But I feel like moving faster = less travel time for it to get to point B, which means more uptime and less staggers

[sullen gull]

FICSIT TIP #19 : Faster belts do not mean faster production.

[versed cosmos]

none other looks as good as mk3

[narrow canyon]

Lies

[grim plover]

mk4 and mk5 ugly asf

[fluid crow]

they's THICK

[weary kestrel]

faster belt means faster reaching assembler means faster motors,
math is math

[versed cosmos]

mk4 and 5 literally made to clip with fuckin everything

[half atlas]

Like I remember one time just randomly upgrading things to mk3 conveyor belts and lifts because we had so much steel and my friend got so mad that I upgraded without consent like

Why would you be upset

[versed cosmos]

some people like mixed belts

[sullen gull]

You would notice zero difference using a faster belt than needed to move items.

[versed cosmos]

the different speeds look good

[half atlas]

Really need Mk.6 tbh

[quick barn]

It me

[sullen gull]

The machines have a cycle rate and are not going to produce more items per minute just because the items "get there faster"

[half atlas]

Tell them to hurry the fuck up

Whip them

[sullen gull]

And, I didn't make that tip up, it's actually in the game 🤣

Though, I've only ever seen them when joining multiplayer games. Haven't seen them come up when loading local save 😒

[weary kestrel]

then its a psychological bias that I'm fully going to lean into 🤣

because I ABSOLUTELY have a stupid amount of mk4 belts where they shouldn't be, purely cause it makes me feel better 🤣

[sullen gull]

Lol, ngl, I'd probably be like "Bro, wth, was clocked fine!" 😏

[weary kestrel]

infinite resource is infinite

That's how I justify all my stupid upgrades

[sullen gull]

I wouldn't go so far as to say stupid. Not necessary and doesn't really "help" anything maybe. But as always said, 100% your game and you make the "rules" 😏

[weary kestrel]

Would you still say that if I was 80 hours in at phase 0? 🤣

[sullen gull]

I'd just assume you were still in awe of the awesomeness of the game 🤣

[weary kestrel]

honestly still am, I did the math recently and I've been averaging 6h\day since getting the game on the 3rd.... and I have a full time job 💀

fkn love this game, first factory style game

[sullen gull]

I racked about 3+k in a year .... right there with ya 😏

[weary kestrel]

done many playthroughs? or just one super world?

[sullen gull]

three fully. Rest is online and mucking around in creatives.

[grim plover]

my worst game for hours was sinking like 3.6k in a year on one game

not super deep into the satis hole yet, only like 350h

[sullen gull]

Ooof, I don't even want to know what I had tally'd over 6 years in Eve 🤣

[grim plover]

mmo moment, mine was ff14

[narrow canyon]

Ffxi. Happily they didn't track that so I'll never know 🙂

[grim plover]

1xiv is my only ff game, and tbh itll probably stay that way

i like the game but the others dont particularly interest me

[velvet violet]

Greetings, first time in this disc, and wanted to ask if the number of non-flying birds in my main menu was normal. Their march does repeat, and from my count there are 26 birds. I remember at least one bird walked across the screen, but this caught me off guard. (The number of birds in each row seem to be 1, 3, 5, 5, 3, 3, 3, 3). I can send screen shots if desired, none of my mods list this as being a feature, and weirdly my game will now not stop after closing to test if it persists after restart (restarting PC momentarily).

[bleak kindle]

holy crap man.

I mean....sigh. I'll go watch the main menu now. 🙁

[velvet violet]

appreciate it

now it is only one

[lapis shadow]

Is the explosive rebar quicker for clearing out rocks/debris than just throwing nobelisks? Or does it have some plus sides over the nobelisks?

[bleak kindle]

im only gettin ones

whoa whoa whoa. Why aren't you on the main menu?

yeah only ones. I'm done

[velvet violet]

Fair, I will send some images in the off topic media, cant send them here

[bleak kindle]

if it has a plus side, i don't know it.

[grizzled lotus]

can I ony rotae blueprints 90 degrees? can I not slightly rotate them like most buildings?

[sullen gull]

#screenshots is probably fine. But what you're decribing is a normal thing. There some fun little easter egges in the loading screen

[sullen gull]

And you hit H?

[grizzled lotus]

I believe in regards to clearing rocks, poison pillars and those flowers it's effectively the same. I just find them much easier and more convenient to use

[grizzled lotus]

hitting H doesn't allow me to rotate them at all. This is before hitting H. like I have a blueprint of a paved road, and I'd like to rotate it only 45 degrees

[lapis shadow]

The rebar is more convenient? Or the nobelisks you're saying?

[grizzled lotus]

rebar. just aim and shoot. with nobelisks you kind of have to aim and then detonate it and feels generally slower.

[sullen gull]

Hold CTRL maybe if on PC I think. Not sure if you're not

[grizzled lotus]

pc

[velvet violet]

makes sense, just hadn't seen it and didn't see any thing online about it, thank you :)

[lapis shadow]

hm guess I'll give it a try then. Thanks!

[grizzled lotus]

ok, apparently I can rotate them, but not if they're next to something they can snap on. have to distance them a bit

[sullen gull]

Were you on Blueprint mode or Default?

[grizzled lotus]

no problem. what made things much easier for me was make an explosive rebar factory and attach it to a dimensional depot. I never run out.

[grizzled lotus]

tried both. they will automatically "align"themselves if they're near to certain buildings/foundations

[finite mirage]

is ficsmas over?

[grizzled lotus]

the longer this game goes on the longer it takes to set up simpler steps. I'm trying to set up a turbofuel factory to fuel a future drone network, and I'm getting worn out just setting up the tracks for the trucks that feed compact coal to the turbofuel thing 😵‍💫

[wispy osprey]

Fuel power is the point most people burnout or get tired

It requires so much building

[finite mirage]

getting worn out? playing satisfactory? thats like saying im getting worn out consuming crack

[next sequoia]

I just finished getting all slugs, hard drives, sloops, and spheres on my save!!!

[wispy osprey]

Nice one, some of those are really stupidly hidden in the smallest cracks that you can't even see

[finite mirage]

guysss

[velvet violet]

in game at the moment, I believe so. I still see the tree for it in the MAM, but don't see presents falling. I suspect the patch notes for the most recent update or one in early december would specify the dates

[finite mirage]

i see presents falling (although very minimal) but no snow

[wispy osprey]

1.2 is coming out in the first quarter of this year

Please 🙏

[grizzled lotus]

the worst part is following the object scanner and the signal suddenly goes zero, and you realize it's somewhere in the abyss of the underground and you can't find whatever stupid cave you're supposed to crawl into

[wispy osprey]

I generality dislike trying to find cave entrances. The base game map isn't detailed enough

[velvet violet]

Oh, I did just see a present land, so it is still going on apparently

[wispy osprey]

I want it to show basic factory layouts and rail lines in the base game.....

[grizzled lotus]

I just hope the drone network actually works out. gonna suck big time if all this effort does nothing

[finite mirage]

item transportation shorter than a truck network but longer than a belt network?

[next sequoia]

no tree for me, ada also said to me oh looks like you skipped ficsmas
@velvet violet @finite mirage

[finite mirage]

is this the first time they did ficsmas?

[next sequoia]

ion see no snow where u guys have snow?

[finite mirage]

i dont

[next sequoia]

where preseents?

[velvet violet]

no, there have been at least a couple, I am sure the wiki has details if you are curious

tbh I don't know if there has been snow since there is not rain, though with the teases about rain in 1.2, next ficsmas could more feasibly have snow

[finite mirage]

so its supposed to go on till jan 18

[velvet violet]

good to know, I don't think I will prioritize ficsmas myself, but I have seen some cool stuff online

still just trying to beat the game and get my feet wet with decorating my factories

[reef basin]

It's date/time based

[grizzled lotus]

longer belt network. there are many methods and they can all work for all distances, just a matter of preference and efficiency.

personally I like the aesthetics of trucks but if it's too much trouble just do belts

[whole ermine]

i integrated a logistics floor in my factory for the first time.... im in love

i am awful at decoration but

it makes my factorys look very clean.... ish

ive found that making things uneven makes my builds look alot better

[sterile blade]

Yeah, that's a bit annoying, if you can't just "accept it"

[velvet violet]

agreed, a lot of the satis and minecraft builds that I have seen that look really good have a lot of depth to the surfaces to help break them up, not that I can really replicate

[outer bear]

When does the advent calendar get removed? And does it remove all Christmas items with it?

[grizzled lotus]

what's that?

[green fiber]

All Ficsmas recipes will be disabled,but all items and built structures remain

[outer bear]

Ohh alright thanks

[finite mirage]

hey so i get much better perforamance on vulkan but everytime i restart the game (after the applying restart) it switches to directx 11

any solution?

[sterile blade]

(#1038092680493801533)

[spice patio]

It isn't on DirectX11, still on Vulkan, just UI bug.

[finite mirage]

i see so its already on the bug tracker too i assume?>

[spice patio]

No idea.

[weary kestrel]

Me: spends a few nights working on diluted fuel setup, finally get it working
Also me: why not just do turbo instead
🤣 why am I like this

I think I'll just push that thought aside for now, overclock existing plant and go back to the actual factory game

[stuck dagger]

A section of a build dedicated to things like belts and pipes, sometimes hidden away so you don't have to see the spaghet

[grim estuary]

Is there like a creative mode for the game

Or is the only way to get "creative mode" is by messing with the advanced settings

[sterile blade]

Either that or using mods or save-editors

[finite mirage]

#screenshots message whats this?

[clear mesa]

Geyser, you'll unlock something eventually to use it

[finite mirage]

alright

[reef basin]

Also, use #1038092680493801533 for questions, so that you don't need to switch between channels like this

[finite mirage]

i see, will do

[sonic igloo]

help, i fell in the big waterfall thingy which i think is basically the void

is there a way to get my death box?

[leaden turret]

• big giant ramp
• ladder
• save editor

[sonic igloo]

save editor?

[leaden turret]

SCIM, linked in #welcome , only usable for PC players at present

[gloomy tusk]

Load an earlier save

[sonic igloo]

oh right

[gloomy tusk]

Might work if you have early auto save

[sonic igloo]

i also saw someone changing the deathbox location

via game files

[gloomy tusk]

#screenshots cool barn I’m making 😊

[leaden turret]

save editing

[gloomy tusk]

Ignore the atrocious wiring in the foreground

[jovial flax]

Man it’s taken me a hot minute to digest all the new stuff

I played this game on a crappy Lenovo laptop back in early access lol

[finite mirage]

can i configure satisfactory calculator to start calculating from a certain point in production
for example i want to make steel pipes and beams with 90 ipm steel ingot input

[gloomy tusk]

I’m playing on the best laptop for gaming

A MacBook Air from 202

2020

[jovial flax]

Does it sound like it’s on the verge of roleplaying as an IED?

[weary kestrel]

I prefer SatisfactoryTools for that, its very straight forward to do add input and change it to "maximize production"

[gloomy tusk]

It doesn’t have an inbuilt fan all that I feel is the burning of wood on my desk

[jovial flax]

And the occasional ember in the corner of your vision

I played before update 4

So that was before pipelines

[gloomy tusk]

You enjoy asbestos?

[jovial flax]

Very

It’s quite versatile

It gives you superpowers

Don’t believe their lies

I can level a city with a single coughing fit

[junior jolt]

wait is satis mac playable

[gloomy tusk]

Nope

[jovial flax]

15 fps max?

[junior jolt]

oh bootcamp? or wine

[jovial flax]

Cuz that’s what I had

[junior jolt]

i don’t know if 2020 can even have bootcamp

[gloomy tusk]

Got crossover (legally) and run it through that

It can’t it’s not intel

[junior jolt]

yeah i thought so

i have a 2017 and a 2020 through school, one can play minecraft and one can play steam games on 5fps

[reef basin]

not sure (though I wouldn't really recommend SCIM's planner either way - we just had a discussion about it in #math-and-meta if you want to check that)

[jovial flax]

The office laptop I ran it on for a while was quite a trooper considering it never designed for that kind of load

[gloomy tusk]

I’m running satisfactory on 72 fps

Mid game

[junior jolt]

not bad for mac

[jovial flax]

It was designed for excel not factories

[junior jolt]

you mean apple “numbers”

[gloomy tusk]

What the fuck is that

[junior jolt]

i’ve used it twice in my life and that was when i was 13 lol cos i was bored in the car

[jovial flax]

Oh no I’m talking about the laptop I used to run it on, it was a crappy Lenovo

That was at least windows

[junior jolt]

the things 12 hour car trips do to you lol

[jovial flax]

Try 22

[junior jolt]

where do you live lol

[gloomy tusk]

I bet you couldn’t guess where I liver

Live*

[jovial flax]

Oh that was a drive from Iowa all the way to Florida for a robotics competition lol

My pfp is a pic of me on the beach of Hawaii

That was also a competition trip

[junior jolt]

usa, the only place worse than australia

[gloomy tusk]

How dare you

[jovial flax]

Welcome to the cornfields

[junior jolt]

for driving at least, i don’t pay attention to other usa things other than new york and politics

[gloomy tusk]

WE DRIVE THE RIGHT WAY

[junior jolt]

i’m australian too thank you

[jovial flax]

Yeah my sleep schedule is a suggestion

It’s 3:50 am lmao

I work at 7

[gloomy tusk]

More like a gentle reminder

[junior jolt]

go to bed lol

[jovial flax]

No

[junior jolt]

you’ll need coffee anyway so good luck

[jovial flax]

I’m not tired

[junior jolt]

tell that to you in 8h

and then 12h

[jovial flax]

You underestimate just how normal this is for me

I function better on 4 hours of sleep compared to 8

[junior jolt]

that can’t be good for you in the long term

[jovial flax]

You don’t say

[junior jolt]

i’ve just learnt i don’t function at all

whether i get 4 or 9

[jovial flax]

You can blame the American education system for my sleep schedule

[jovial flax]

I take prescription amphetamines

[junior jolt]

i blame my parents hooking me to games but whatever suits you

too old for proper ipad generation, young enough to feel the effects of it

[jovial flax]

Are you familiar with the concept of after school homework?

And a lot of it

They tried to make me learn calculus in an algebra 2 course

[junior jolt]

what is algebra 2

and yes i did year 12

or senior of high school for you americans

[jovial flax]

Algebra is split into 2 sections

Normal algebra and random nonsense relabeled as algebra

I’m still angry about the calculus thing though. Because they didn’t teach it in a way that made sense

[junior jolt]

a good teacher is so damn important

[jovial flax]

It was a couple examples and a “good luck”

[junior jolt]

lovely

sounds like such a good teacher

good luck

[jovial flax]

It was an online course because there aren’t enough teachers

[junior jolt]

also my internet is shitting itself cos i’m on satellite and it’s about to bucket down rain

[jovial flax]

Nobody wants to be a teacher and understandably so

[junior jolt]

ah

[jovial flax]

But they randomly dropped imaginary numbers and limits in the middle of polynomials

College level calc

With little explanation on how to solve it

[opaque wren]

Why did they do MK3 with 270 instead of 240. Messes up things...

[mortal ginkgo]

on the contrariy, it doesn't. First of all extra 30 doesn't let you lose anything. Secondly there are recipes in that phase that actually are like 45/min etc so mk3 belt works perfect.

[opaque wren]

Of course it does - you cannot split perfectly into 2 x 120 (for example)

[mortal ginkgo]

you don't need to with manifold setup.

[fluid crow]

30 extra is 30 extra, don't have to use it

[mortal ginkgo]

also if you are making 240 items, even if you are a silly goober that wants to use balancer setup, splitter simply lets you separate it.

[opaque wren]

For example, I am losing 11% of plastic because of this.

I have 2 lines of 120 plastic. I have to push overflow to Awsome since I don't want the plastic to stack.

[mortal ginkgo]

Awesome Sinking overflow is done via smart splitter with overflow option...

You got a wrong issue and trying to fix it in a wrong manner.

[opaque wren]

Yes - that is what I am doing.

How can you push overflow of 240?

you feed 270 lines and 30 gets overflow

Even though that is not really necesary.

Yes, there is a way to fix it with a chain of merge and splitters -but it is a hassle.

[mortal ginkgo]

And why cant you store 30 plastic?

if you are at the "losing plastic" phase, that means you dont have plastic enough for yourself to begin with

At that stage you shouldn't use sinks

[junior jolt]

love mining sulfur with my bare hands woo

[opaque wren]

I don't want to store it becuase if the production lines fills, then plastic gets stored and my oil gens will be saturated.

[mortal ginkgo]

bro blz

[junior jolt]

power costs way too much to get there atm

[junior jolt]

huh

[reef basin]

you can? if you have 240 on a 270 belt and run it through a splitter, you get 120/120

[fluid crow]

portable miner = bare hands?

[reef basin]

also the reason for 270 is because many recipes at that point are multiples of 45 instead of 30

[opaque wren]

The problem is that I want to sink the overflow.

[junior jolt]

can i ask what’s wrong with a sink

[reef basin]

then do so? smart splitter -> overflow

[opaque wren]

But only the overflow of 240 , not 270

[junior jolt]

isn’t it quicker or the same to bare hands

[mortal ginkgo]

Again, this is not a belt issue. Your setup is contradicting with itself:

1: You want only 240 plastic to be on a belt or else 30 will be sinked.
2:You want to sink the overflow, but you say you are losing the said plastic.

[fluid crow]

faster, can use multiple at once also

[mortal ginkgo]

I think you should rethink your setup

[junior jolt]

oh damn true

lucky i have dimensional dings

[reef basin]

you can also just make 240 and not 270

[junior jolt]

4 equipped ty treezen

what’s wrong with sinking it anyway i don’t get it

[mortal ginkgo]

There is nothing wrong and it is a must for fuel products that have byproducts.

Above person is a bit conflicted, about the whole sinking, balancers, manifolds, belt, my mom, plastics, etc.

[junior jolt]

manifolds?

that’s the only word i don’t get there

or is that a water thing

[mortal ginkgo]

just a fancy word of belt going parallel to machines and splitters providing items to them machines from that belt

[reef basin]

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |

[junior jolt]

so basically half pushing materials?

oh like that

so the setup for biomass

[reef basin]

setup for anything really

[finite mirage]

hey could anyone recommen me games like satisfactory (absolute crack cocaine) that could run on lower end hardware?

[fluid crow]

factorio

[finite mirage]

alr will check it ou

[reef basin]

and that's the last time we heard of them

[fluid crow]

🫡

[opaque wren]

Dyson sphere is similar and you can finish the game with basic HW. If you plan a megabase then you will run into issues.

[opaque wren]

I am not conflicted. I just stated that 270 belt bring more problems that it solves. I just gave an example where a continuous overflow of 30 is sinked (unwanted).

[reef basin]

smart splitter with overflow = solved

[opaque wren]

Yes, that's what I have. 270 -> split into 2 x 120 and 30 goes away.

[junior jolt]

bro why is some hog throwing rocks at me from his mouth

[opaque wren]

He is higher level.

[dense violet]

those are kidney stones

[junior jolt]

i went along the east side from the bottom and now i can see coral and some big spiders

[fluid crow]

my train just dumps everything in there too right now, with a smart spliter

[junior jolt]

i’m scared

can’t wait to get murdered by some big spiders in a cave

[reef basin]

and what's the problem then?

[fluid crow]

the spiders are wild

[opaque wren]

The problem is that I do not want that 30 overflow. I might need it for that 2x120. However, I need an overflow in the event that the lines stop (for whatever reason) so I don't stack up plastic (which will block my generators eventually).

Overflow should happen only when the lines are not working - permanently spitting 30 out of the line.

[junior jolt]

mf soft locked himself so now i get a free purple slug lfg

[opaque wren]

Anyway, I deleted the setup and made things split individually ...etc

[fluid crow]

just turn it down if you don't want overflow 🤷

[opaque wren]

Something that would not have been needed on a 240 belt.

[dense violet]

well if you're only using 240 on the line and you're putting 270 on it, it'll always over flow 30 pm because that's what's going to back up

make a seperate 30 line I guess? or use more?

[fluid crow]

most machines are more efficient at lower speed

[opaque wren]

The lines are using 120 each.I just didn't want the 30 spit for no reason (overflow is there in the event of supply blockage, not to permanently spit 30 out). Since we are talking about plastic, I need the flow to run all the time since I don't want the oil gens to get backed up (I used the byproduct to generate power).

[reef basin]

then put only 240 on the belt?

[opaque wren]

Absoutely! Give me a 240 belt 🙂

[reef basin]

the fact that it can do up to 270 doesn't mean you can only put 270 on it

[reef basin]

you can put 240 on 270 belt and it would behave as a 240 belt

[dense violet]

you have full control over how many machines and what you clock it at to put 240 on there
you don't have to fill a belt

[opaque wren]

Well, the belt comes directly from the ceiling (railstation). So making splitters and mergers on top of the ceiling to achieve 240 is messy.

[dense violet]

just don't attach 270 to 1 belt in the first place

[reef basin]

you achieve 240 by putting 240 on the belt in the first place. So have set of machines that make 240

[fluid crow]

trash belt ftw

[dense violet]

you have full control over whether or not you put 240 or 270 on the belt in the first place

[mortal ginkgo]

Set the machines sending stuff to train station to provide only 240/min plastic.

Or send that 30 extra back to the line via priority merger.

I never thought 30 plastic would be such a complicated issue to deal with but here we are.

Oh also you can use Sink BEFORE feeding plastic to the Station.

[reef basin]

it's not an issue, just don't make the 30

[dense violet]

OR just have the 30 made on a different belt entirely

[opaque wren]

There is no option to do that? (it's the railstation - freight container).

At least I cannot find the option to do so.

[reef basin]

there is - when you're loading the train

you just load it with 240/min in the first place

[mortal ginkgo]

Hear me out, your issue is that since Train Station brings 270/min plastic, you need to sink it so it doesn't clog your system making plastic.

Why not make the sink where you are LOADING the station where overflow is sinked there and not where plastic is used?

[opaque wren]

But unloading will be on max speed of the belt you attack, right?

[reef basin]

sure, but I assume your machines only need 240/min, so that's not an issue

[dense violet]

but if you're only delivering 240 pm from it's source it'll be fine

[reef basin]

it'll just average over time like all train routes do

[dusky hedge]

wish we could blueprint things we already built 😐

[reef basin]

there's a reason why we can't do it and it's "copying whole factories would be boring"

[dense violet]

build everything only in blueprint machines. Problem solved

[mortal ginkgo]

there is a mod for that, that lets you select stuff in removal tool but make blueprint out of it (belts etc dont work but great for decoration and machines)

[dusky hedge]

even a small structure would be fine

[dusky hedge]

nice ty

[mortal ginkgo]

it also is paired nice with another mod that removes 50item limit of removal but be vary of using it as game is already wonky about removing or putting large amount of stuff at once.

[dusky hedge]

im doing a run without mods so ill have to suffer without 😐

but ill certainly remember it if i get the shits and change my mind 😐

[opaque wren]

Because I prefer having all sinks in one place (e.g. main base). It's easier to check if something is not working (e.g. overflow) if you have everything in one area as opposed to spread across the map. Anyway, I solved the problem by doing a MK3 , split 2 x MK2 and then merge MK3 (this ensures a 240 load on an MK3 belt). It's meh but whatever.

[mortal ginkgo]

... I guess.

[reef basin]

the solution is to load 240 and not worry about it 🙂

[shrewd hatch]

I always play without mods

[opaque wren]

That won't work. Because at unloading an MK3 belt will spit 30 out. Means I have to load 270 if I want a continuous 240.

Not that 30 plastic is a major concern - it's just a hassle that wouldn't happen if the belt have kept proper scalling format.

[reef basin]

what? not at all

[machines making 240] -> [station] -> [train] -> [station] -> [machines needing 240]

this will work no matter what belt you use (well, if you use mk3 or more)

[reef basin]

also get ready for 780 belt in the future 😛

[opaque wren]

Correct and then I use no overflow in my setup, right?

[reef basin]

you don't have any overflow anyway, you're making 240 and requiring 240

[opaque wren]

Correct - and if a machine stops working, then I will backup the plastic and the oil will stop, right?

[reef basin]

no?

[opaque wren]

Overflow is a redundacy - safety risk if you will.

[reef basin]

if you overflow to sink, do it at final product

[machines making 240] -> [station] -> [train] -> [station] -> [machines needing 240] -> [storage] -> [overflow to sink]

[opaque wren]

Yes but then I need considerable more power.

[reef basin]

that way the machines won't stop due to being full

[reef basin]

how so?

[opaque wren]

Because machines will be working all the time as opposed to only when needed.

[reef basin]

well, you want to have that much power anyway, so that you can power your base if everything is running

and generators run at all times anyway, they don't scale with demand

so you're not "saving" anything really

(not to mention resources are infinite so it wouldn't make much sense to save resources this way anyway)

[opaque wren]

If you have excess power I agree with you - sink everything.

I don't (at least not yet)

[reef basin]

if you don't have excess power, build excess power, otherwise your base will shut down when everything runs

[opaque wren]

No, because I have batteries to cope with that.

And it's unlikely my base will run all the time since a good part is only for building materials and such which are short duration / inconsistent.

[reef basin]

(it's "power storage", not "battery")

and power storages are not a solution

they are temporary backup

[opaque wren]

Exactly - hence a solution 🙂

[reef basin]

no, because solution should always work, this doesn't

[coral marsh]

To be quite frankly honest, they are designed like a Duracell battery, they store power, like a battery, they release power when hooked up to a device, like a battery, by technicality, they are a battery

[fluid crow]

oil makes power as a bi-product

[reef basin]

I mean obviously it's your save, but SF has infinite resources and as such is generally played in the way I described - fixed permanent production, always going to sink if storage is full

[opaque wren]

Well if everything would run, I would exceeed 50% of my power generation. I did not have a single power shutdown since ....phase 1 of the game.

So ...it works.

[lost crane]

is there a way to find adaptive control unit factory blueprint

[reef basin]

they store power like a capacitor because they have unlimited discharge speed which batteries cannot do

and also "battery" is an actual item in the game, hence the needed distinction

[coral marsh]

Oh im aware

[opaque wren]

I didn't now about the battery (I haven't seen it yet).

[coral marsh]

"Fuel" type for drones

[reef basin]

for any vehicle

[golden nexus]

drone fuel

[opaque wren]

I am not there yet.

[coral marsh]

Man, we really need mk2 water extractors

[reef basin]

yeah, but it's quite important to use the correct terms to avoid confusion

same goes for "pump" vs "water extractor"

[golden nexus]

add power shards

[lost crane]

🙂

[coral marsh]

We really need mk2 water extractors

[reef basin]

sometimes it's possible to distinguish from context, but sometimes it leads to unnecessary confusion

[golden nexus]

not really you can get 10 down in about 30 seconds 😛

[opaque wren]

It wasn't on purpose - I just didn't know it existed. And the description of power storage resembles a battery to begin with (quite similar in functionality as well).

[coral marsh]

I can see your the type who wouldnt find it cool to supply 2 nuclear reactors from 1 water extraxtor

[opaque wren]

Anyway, good to know.

[reef basin]

again, your save is your save, but it just isn't what people usually do because it's not exactly in the spirit of the game

[golden nexus]

No, But i do realise a 2xwater extracotrs fits under one nuclear reactor

Same happens with coal gens btw... the width of underclocked water extractors lines up with coal gens btw on a ratio of 4:2

[opaque wren]

Isn't 8-3 (ref/water) a standard setup?

[golden nexus]

Yes, Which is why i said "underclocked"

[reef basin]

Ref?

[opaque wren]

^Coal Generators

[golden nexus]

but the output is proportional to its size for the various devices

[coral marsh]

Mk2 pipes can handle 600³m of water per minute. 1 mk1 extractor creates half that per minute at 250% OC.
A nuclear reactor needs 240 per minute.
I honestly see that as both efficient and not efficient, why have pipes that can handle twice the output if you're not going to add in an upgraded version that can fulfill that mark

[golden nexus]

A nuclear reactor wants 600/min with water extractors clocked to 250% doing 300/min each

[coral marsh]

Exactly, so why not give us mk2 extractors so you can make it 1 per

[golden nexus]

Cause it has to work with all of the buildings? It makes it too overpowered for coal, ref, blender, packager etc.. etc..

the impact on the game your requesting is much deeper than you appear to realise

[reef basin]

Why not give us mk254 stuff to have one machine make 1472549/min?

Same reason 🙂

[golden nexus]

Its like if you find the game too hard just get a mod to fix that part for you

[coral marsh]

No shit sherlock, ive never learned to code, ive never made a game in my life, I have zero idea what goes into making a game, I still think mk2 extractors would be a good addition to the game.

[golden nexus]

Then get a mod for it

[coral marsh]

Okay, I know for a fact that'd be a totally bullshit addition to the game

[coral marsh]

Shouldn't have to

[junior jolt]

me when i turn off all my machines to make it all more efficient, but instead i go play with the mam

[golden nexus]

Thats how epxirenced players see your suggestion 😉

[reef basin]

Yeah, and devs have to draw the line somewhere

[bleak scaffold]

any tips for tier 1 and 2

[coral marsh]

There is zero possible way they see 600³m as 15384784727472³m

For god sakes people, mk2 extractors is not a dumb fucking idea

[junior jolt]

do nobleisk’s matter for what i put them on

[reef basin]

Not great eother

[golden nexus]

Here you go https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/mods/building/index/id/7/name/MK%2B%2B/idB/Build_WaterPumpMk2_C/nameB/Water+Extractor+Mk.2

[opaque wren]

Are there MK2 for other generators ? (e.g. coal, fuel)

[junior jolt]

or can pulse take out the gassy rocks

[coral marsh]

As I said, I shouldn't have to use a mod

[golden nexus]

Stop trying to make the easy game even easier 😉

[coral marsh]

Whats the point

[coral marsh]

You wont move me off the idea, so stop trying.

[opaque wren]

My point is that if none of the other generators / extractors have an MK2, this would be an outlier.

[coral marsh]

Im way too stubborn to be convinced otherwise

[opaque wren]

So to keep consistency, they would have to add for others as well.

[reef basin]

You kinda should use mod to make the game play different than intended, that's what mods are for

[junior jolt]

.

[golden nexus]

Your idea simply make game even easier.. its kinds alike why even do water at all? next you be wanted 1200/min pipes at mk3. Its always been the same with the game, regardless of the size delivered in the game people always want just one size better

[coral marsh]

That i get, I do that all the time with Minecraft, but for something like a mk2 extractor, one, should not, require, a damn, mod

[reef basin]

What's the specific difference that makes the extractor different than other things?

[coral marsh]

Mk2 power gens would be too OP

Mk2 coal gen, making 150Mw,
Mk2 fuel gen making half a Gw
Mk2 nuclear reactor makes 5Gw
Too OP

A mk2 geothermal gen wouldnt logically make sense either, their max power comes from a geyser, the power of that cannot be increased unless nature changes in a drastic way

[golden nexus]

you can already overclock them and people do, I have entire banks of fuel gens running at 200% or 250%

[coral marsh]

Mk2 extractor, sure, mk2 oil extractor, (id heard a rumor about those), sure

[mortal ginkgo]

We already got mk2 of all those things, just overclock them kek.

I understand the need of mk2 water bois, as I believe the water demand is simply too high if you want to go yolo late game.

HOWEVER, the amount of water extractors provide is more than enough for a "regular, chill" playthrough.

[golden nexus]

Theres really subtle reasons why this is done as well

[coral marsh]

Mk2 power gens? Only if the game gets a significant update with machines requiring way more power than even a maxed out particle accelerator

[golden nexus]

Whats the max you have seen a machine use in power?

[coral marsh]

A cyclotron, 26, almost 27 flat Gw

[golden nexus]

The QE does 28GW

[coral marsh]

And still

Thats roughly 11 nuclear reactors for the 1 machine

At 100%

[golden nexus]

Or 4...

[bleak scaffold]

do you guys know any normal concrete nodes in grasslands

[golden nexus]

There is multiple

[coral marsh]

Which again, requires 600³m per minute, mk2 pipes can handle that, but you need 2 maxed out extractors, requiring 6 shards. Sure you can make power shards eventually, but if someone doesn't wanna do that.

Show me, the exact line of math required for pipes and you'll start to convince me

The exact full coding required

[golden nexus]

I mean you could just as well present the argument of just have the nuclear reactor require half the water......

[junior jolt]

basically all of them are

[golden nexus]

you should mix the normal + impure node

[coral marsh]

There are a few pure ones but specifically, normal? Yea theres a heap of them

[opaque wren]

You can check the map: https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map#4.5;45720;-100134|gameLayer|coalPure;hardDrives;spawn;coalNormal;coalImpure;oilNormal;oilPure;oilImpure;cateriumNormal;cateriumPure;sulfurImpure;sulfurNormal;sulfurPure

The bottom circle is grasslands.

[bleak scaffold]

i found a normal node

but its so far from the hub

[dense violet]

the game does force yo uto spread out

[golden nexus]

its not in larger terms... btw just do this #1455008912666263684 message

[coral marsh]

See thats something I wouldnt suggest. Unless it was me wanting the game to obliterate physics more than it does

[golden nexus]

tbh you strike me as somebody who "just want an easier game" camp....

[coral marsh]

You wouldnt find me playing any souls game

But I do play doom eternal, some FPS games

[golden nexus]

The game is built around presenting problems to solve... deal with it 😉

[coral marsh]

I dont actually like a game thats easy or too easy, id rather a hard challenge, I just think some things do need to be added

Overwatch is also a favorite of mine, horror games too (often played on the hardest difficulties), black ops 2 and 3 as well, dragonquest Xi echoes of an elusive age (one of the hardest games ive played).

[opaque wren]

Just use a belt. Either make a separate factory there or belt it to your hub. Pretty much everything <1km is within reasonable belt range (you can go further but usually trains cover that).

[mortal ginkgo]

You can also reduce the amount of water needed from other recipes by using "non-pure" recipes. There are many options for no-water people. You also need a massive amount of nuclear power either to finish the game.

[coral marsh]

Im fully aware man

That is not what I take issue with and never will be

I mainly and precisely, just do not like the fact that nuclear reactors require 240³m of water per minute and not something more even like 200 or 300

It makes having to balance water extractors something that isnt or shouldn't be necessary

If the base water requirement was increased to 300 per reactor, I genuinely wouldn't have a problem or be posting the idea of a mk2 extractor

[dense violet]

.... 'more even'?

like the rest of hte game you have full control of consumption and production with clocking....

[golden nexus]

Which in turn means you need half the power shards as a conseuqances. Like you want the game even more unbalanced or something?

[coral marsh]

If it was 200, you could supply 3 reactors from 2 extractors, if it was 300 thats 2 from 2

[dense violet]

clock it to 200 then

[coral marsh]

Shards

[golden nexus]

Get some?

[dense violet]

underclockign requires no shards

[coral marsh]

Less power output

[dense violet]

lmao xD build more ?

[mortal ginkgo]

This is because a fully OWed Nuclear can require 600m water. This is a good (albeit some reports buggy behaviour due to max mk2 pipe full demand) number so that you can have 2 extractors right beside the nuclear power.

[dense violet]

the amount of clocking % you need from your generators will depend on how many Rods you're burning

so if you under clock to 200 water pm you'll need more gens and get hte same power

[coral marsh]

You guys ar just taking the piss at this point, theres no need to laugh at me over this im being dead fucking serious and you're just, laughing. Not appreciated

[mortal ginkgo]

Late game where shards are automated, it is almost always a good reason to use them to save space and time building.

[dense violet]

because you can do exactly what you want to do but complaining like you can't

[mortal ginkgo]

Some people are truly annoying elitists with attitude. You can block them.

[golden nexus]

yes, this is because your idea is being rejected because the game presented problems you have to deal with. You ddoing the typical thing of "but just change the game" rather than solve the presented problem

[mortal ginkgo]

They are huge minority and dont resprent the community.

[coral marsh]

"Annoying elitist" just screams inflated ego to me

[dense violet]

it's not even a problem. Just tweak the consumption down. Costs you literally nothing

[mortal ginkgo]

They all coıme together. I disagree with you but also agree on some points. Anyone laughing is just elitist and not worth a second.

[coral marsh]

Still not a reason to fucking laugh at me dickhead, I get enough of that shit from my own brother, I dont need it from some random person

[mortal ginkgo]

Just note that very late game recipes and such are really designed to work with 250% overclocking.

[opaque wren]

Maybe I am missing something. A nuclear gen requires 600m, right? Isn't the water gen at 120? (e.g. 120 x 5)

[coral marsh]

Except for the fact that you sacrifice power output.

[coral marsh]

Its 240 at base 100% clock speed

[golden nexus]

Well the game isn't changing to suit what you want, so deal with it i guess?

[coral marsh]

600 at 250% clock

[dense violet]

you're getting the same amount of power per rod

[golden nexus]

The ego required to demand the world change to suit you is off the charts....

[coral marsh]

Im not demanding

[golden nexus]

This is what you have been doing for hte last 20 minutes....

[mortal ginkgo]

You are really overreacting at this point.

Water, Pipes and fluids in general is the weakest point of the game.

[dense violet]

pretend nuclear gens naturally make less power and consume less water then

makes as much sense as you getting riled up because they don't use numbers you like

[golden nexus]

Which is whinging until the world changes to suit you

[opaque wren]

In that case, why not underclock at 200 and use 3? (you need to use 3 anyway)

[mortal ginkgo]

People can demand a change. Doesn't mean they are selfish.

He is not asking for a new world order, you guys need to calm to doggo down lol.

[opaque wren]

You mentioned that it wouldnn't be a problem if it were 200 or 300.

so make it 200 and make 3:1

[golden nexus]

Hes alreayd been giving tyhe link to the mod which alters the game to suit his needs. Thats enough no?

[unborn oar]

what does the last node of pwoer slug tree give?

[coral marsh]

Im not demanding, im suggesting, there is a difference, my overly stubborn attitude is not the line between demanding and suggesting, it is the line between an unwillingness to learn (mostly because i dont bloody want to) and genuinely just not giving a fuck.

[mortal ginkgo]

No. Noone really can be asked to download a third party add-on no matter how much sense it makes to you.

[dense violet]

you cannot make every number in the game suit everyone's needs - arbitrarlily going 'I don't like this number, change it' is madness

[coral marsh]

I never said I wouldnt use it, I just said I shouldn't have to.

[coral marsh]

Good for you buddy. 🥰🥰

[opaque wren]

But waht is wrong with 3 x 200 ? Or you are unhappy that you cannot use 2 for 600?

[dense violet]

jesus some people have no ability to manage within reality

meaningless ratios and numbers you have full control over and it's not enough.

[golden nexus]

The fact is your suggestion upsets the entire game balance ..... don't cry about it when people reject the idea

[mortal ginkgo]

if I remember correctly, it is the very late game recipe to automate power shards

[unborn oar]

oh i can infinitely craft em nice

[coral marsh]

I refuse to accept reality, I mean fucking look at it, 2 major wars, a 3rd on the way, Donald Trump wanting to invade Greenland, already invaded Venezuela, massive drug cartels internationally, north Korea exists, the Chinese communist part exists, even Japan has corruption that need to be dealt with, fuck even my own country has a bullshit government, I dont accept reality because of how genuinely fucking bullshit we as a species have made life.

[golden nexus]

nope, its alien power matrix is the final tree item

[coral marsh]

Some world leaders genuinely want the most bullshit things thay can and very nearly has started world War 3 because of their sheer, blatant fucking ignorance to their own ego and stupidity

These are the reasons, I do no accept reality or want to learn about it

[golden nexus]

Go find some grass dude....

[coral marsh]

If you dont like this, go fuck yourself

[coral marsh]

I do, every day,

[mortal ginkgo]

Alien Power Matrix is from SAM tree, not slugs.

[reef basin]

mk2 oil extractor would throw off balance of the recipes

[coral marsh]

Like I said, id heard rumors, doesn't mean I believe it

[mortal ginkgo]

Never listen rumor about this game. Devs already provide little enough in teasers etc.

People just say silly stuff just to get internet points.

Nobody expected Fluid Trucks tho'.

[golden nexus]

ahh yeah slugs is power shards you are right

[golden nexus]

Turns out you get paid for being more controversial so we get more controversial because people are directly rewarded for it with nearly zero regard for accuracy

[mortal ginkgo]

Social tools were a mistake, came too early and we are not prepared for it.

However, tapping impure limestone nodes is 100% CORRECT.

#nobias

[golden nexus]

In some ways yes, Its a new toy and we don't know how to behave with it. But people are becoming more wise to things. Things are not always how they appear to be.

[mortal ginkgo]

I disagree with getting wiser part.

People are still not tapping impure limestone nodes. They are silly goobers.

#plsnosillygoob

[opaque wren]

Speaking of MK2....Are there any MK2 trains?

[reef basin]

there's almost nothing mk2, why do people want mk2s lol

[opaque wren]

I want to travel across the world but this thing is a brick.

🙂

[reef basin]

there's miners and belts and pipes and that's it

[golden nexus]

at a guess, we might get waypoints added whichis a populary requested feature

[opaque wren]

Or a plane.

[reef basin]

the brick gets you almost anywhere in 5 minutes

[opaque wren]

Helicopter might fit.

Helipad on top of factory would be cool.

[reef basin]

we know that flying personal vehicles won't be a thing

[opaque wren]

It doesn't have to be personal 🙂

[golden nexus]

We already have cannon + parachute

[reef basin]

then we have drones

so no reason for another flying vehicle

[mortal ginkgo]

We got literaly teleporters at last phase so 😛

[golden nexus]

If you wanted to change the game in a more interesting way it would be things like a game mode or changes around how trade/progression works or something along those lines with a constant deliver mode, but this is also unlikely to occur cause the devs are not into death spiral type of gameplay. We suspect there going to be randomization of nodes being added as a game mode.

[opaque wren]

I think that infinite resources is a bit off (coming from other games where resource management was a significant aspect of the game).

But probably to impactful with the current game mechanics to switch.

[golden nexus]

Yeah thats things like captain of industry / the crust etc.. could do a mode where you have to do X and then you need to trade X for more Y to make more of X for profit style of gameplay which implies constant delivery of contracts and then you get massive complexity / trade off ability based on efficency of power vs materials usage for specific recipies... you basically present the player many choices and remove the ability to "just do X" style of gameplay

[nocturne cairn]

Infinite resources without any infinite resource sink is a weird choice tbh

[opaque wren]

I think Dyson sphere has a good concept in that regard (infinite sink in research) and while the resources are limited you can get high with node upgrades that is lesss of a concern (you do need to expand for a while until that happens - which pushes the players to multiple planets)

[golden nexus]

Some variability of recipies might be interesting as well, Which means the game isn't not simply solved in a production calculator. You get almost a unique combination in every playthough

[opaque wren]

I think some RNG ( maybe some difficulty dependant ?) would be nice - and a good reason for a new run.

[golden nexus]

Need slighty more or less screws, more or less plates for rplate for example....

But its unlikly as well because the machines quanities / rates are tied to be balanced

[rugged jasper]

Where do I find or how to I craft Somersloop ?

[reef basin]

awesome sink is infinite

[golden nexus]

not craftable

[opaque wren]

Eh, it's not like you cannot adjust.

[green fiber]

Find them around the map

[nocturne cairn]

What do you need infinite coupons for?

[rugged jasper]

ah alrighty, so I have to find it somewhere in the map

[golden nexus]

yeah theres 100+

[opaque wren]

That's true but what's the benefit past unlocking all? In other games (e.g. Dyson Sphere) the sink is quite valuable.

[golden nexus]

use object tracker

[rugged jasper]

I have not seen one yet.
maybe I should explore more 😄

[reef basin]

infinite gold nuts

[rugged jasper]

I don't have that one yet

[dense violet]

to keep production lines flowing?

[golden nexus]

you get that very early in game

[rugged jasper]

just started yesterday 🥲

but thank you, I will try to figure it out

[opaque wren]

Yes but that's more like a production overflow adjustment rather than the rewards the cupons give. You would use it even if there was 0 reward.

In other games, the sink is pretty valuable (e.g. unlocks better shield/ movement speed / QOL stuff...etc)

[rugged jasper]

should I do the xmas event btw ?

does it worth the time to complete it

[golden nexus]

it ends soon... but you should run the calendar int he hub probably for some stuff like coupons

it will give you as bit of a boost from the calendar for some of the shop unlocks

[nocturne cairn]

The only useful things are rewards from the calendar and (somewhat useful) snowballs as cheap explosives

[opaque wren]

The calendar gives good starting buff.

[rugged jasper]

I did turn it off, and the lady robot thing, said she will forgive me 5 times in future if failure is happening as I turned it off, so I thought I did the right thing

[opaque wren]

Parachute is very powerful early.

[golden nexus]

can also be unlocked T1-2 or so anyway

[opaque wren]

You also get 50 Alien protein which you can convert into biomass - that solves power issues for quite some time.

[rugged jasper]

I got that one as the first one I opened, but after 1 hour in-game I had like 10 or more presents spawning around me all the time. there after I turned it off

[opaque wren]

I am not sure where you find in Grasslands Mycelia

[opaque wren]

You don't need to bother with the tree. Just check the calendar, pick the 25 rewards (1 for each number)

And you can disable the presents drop afterwards (which can be annoying)

[golden nexus]

So.. you know where hte 3 normal iron nodes in the middle, Facing away from the cliff go left and there is a cave on left side

[rugged jasper]

alrighty, I will activate it again, and see what is hiding behind.

[golden nexus]

like most of hte map the grass lands has a lot of caves 😉

[opaque wren]

I am sure that there is a spot - but a a new player - myself included - it's quite helpful to just pick up the schute and not google/reddit on where to find the materials for it. (not to mention the time investment)

[golden nexus]

Yeah the cave actually has a sloop in it as well as mycelia

want a screenshot?

[reef basin]

it doesn't really give anything apart from cosmetics and such, so only do it if you want to try it. You can change date on your PC if you want to keep playing after it ends

[opaque wren]

No, I am past that stage. And also I started in desert which seems to have easy access to Mycelia.

[opaque wren]

When does it end?

[golden nexus]

all places do, its extremly common

so is silica for blade runners

[glass pagoda]

Hello

[reef basin]

afaik like 18th January

[glass pagoda]

Im exited to get my aluminum factory set up and im especially exited to get mk3 miners that way i won't have to worry about the purity of nodes as much

[golden nexus]

You need mk6 belts to go with the mk3 miners for pure nodes to work 😉

[glass pagoda]

Are there mk6 belts?

[golden nexus]

yeah mk3 miners does 1200/min on a pure node

[glass pagoda]

Then ill just use a belt splitter or underclock until I unlock mk6

[golden nexus]

Yeah it helps to built to 600/min so it can be doubled

which is also the same as a normal or 2 impure

[glass pagoda]

Teir 7 is a real step up in complexity

From previous teirs

[golden nexus]

Yes, ITs also a step up in logestics as well

[glass pagoda]

Took me 300 hours to get to t7 but its all good because I was having fun during those hours

And I still am now

[golden nexus]

late game copper alloy recipe btw... #screenshots message

This is 2xnormal iron, 2xnormal copper nodes

[golden nexus]

Same sort of things but for 1800/min solid steel ingot #screenshots message

[glass pagoda]

I've gotta go now

Bye

[opaque wren]

Belts not straight..... my eyeees!! 🙂

Are you italian by any chance?

[golden nexus]

no

[opaque wren]

Italians usually prefer spaghetti 😛

[golden nexus]

Its not spagetti

[golden nexus]

Looks better when they are moving tbh #streams-and-videos message

[ruby jay]

90 degree angles and straight belts are tradition from ancient manufacturing limits, not space age desing

[golden nexus]

when you gotta put in 100+ foundries time becomes a consideration as well

[prisma zephyr]

why, when i start a new game, i get items from my other game that i have been playing in? can i turn that off?

[reef basin]

you never have to worry about node purity

[reef basin]

that sounds like you didn't start a new game

(or maybe you skipped the onboarding and then you get some default starting resources)

[prisma zephyr]

am i not supposed to skip the intro

ah

ill try without skipping

[reef basin]

but skipping intro is recommended only for non-first playthroughs

it's basically "skip tutorial" button

[golden nexus]

if tyou skip intro you get approx starting items if you had completed the intro

[grim plover]

I'm gonna make completing onboarding my last achievement

[peak wasp]

Any updates soon?

[reef basin]

probably

[wispy osprey]

The only thing I really can't stand is automating how fuel gets to those drones

Or getting fuel to trucks

[golden nexus]

underfloor logestics network

[wispy osprey]

And trains need none of it

Just the rails and path knowledge

I've taken a liking to conveyor floor holes and how they trick conveyor lifts to take up less space

[opaque wren]

I thought the holes are only aesthetic.

[wispy osprey]

Very useful when you're cramming stuff into a dense blueprint

[rugged jasper]

#screenshots message Finally I found a Sumersloop

[golden nexus]

they are functional

[wispy osprey]

But yes they tidy up conveyor spaghetti

[golden nexus]

You can do all sorts of trick with logestics floors like this #screenshots message

[opaque wren]

What role do they serve? You can belt through wall without them.

I use them but I thought they are just for immersion.

[golden nexus]

Both kinda... keeping things tidy is an important part later in the game

[wispy osprey]

I'll share a screenshot example of how I use them later

Plenty of people take advantage of how well they condense vertical space

[golden nexus]

especially when you start to have machines which have 2 belts and 2 fluid intakes 😉

[opaque wren]

I am not arguing the idea of going through floors. I am arguing using holes versus doing the same thing without holes.

[golden nexus]

floor holes or wall holes or both?

[lapis shadow]

I don't understand where the conveyor wall/floor holes are helping in this picture? To me it just looks like you clipped some things through the ground but idrk what I'm looking at

[opaque wren]

I haven't tried wall holes without the hole but I guess they work the same.

[golden nexus]

Different example for floor holes. I can get 5x2 smelts into a building inside a blueprinter on 2 floors. Giving 20xsmelters in a single click at 30/min that means it can process 600/min ore -> ingot eg #screenshots message

[golden nexus]

Another example would be alternative ways to stagger machines in "drop" based layouts like this #screenshots message

[lapis shadow]

In other words, what's the trick? I don't understand

[opaque wren]

Ok, but you can do the same thing without holes, no?

[golden nexus]

Yeah you can just ignore the clipping rules if you like

Another example of more complex vertical interfloor logestics #screenshots message

[wispy osprey]

The box setups that I'm doing right now are actually looking similar to this

[lapis shadow]

Wait so were the pictures you were sharing just examples of how a logistics floor are nifty? Or were you showing a trick using conveyor floor/wall holes? Because I can''t tell where the wall/floor holes are helping in those pictures, and I wanna know the trick if there is one

[golden nexus]

Intially when you lay these out the markings on the foundations are using to place the floor whole which give you a binding locaiton on the floor above when you go to place the constructors, they are in fact acting as a placement guide

[opaque wren]

If you stay within "no clipping" rules, then you need them. It also helps with aesthetics. But if you ignore the clipping aspect, there is no downside in functionality in not using holes.

[golden nexus]

Likewise wall holes give you something which is connecting to inside a blueprint so when you do recurvise builds upwards you have somethnig to connect the floors together with

[lapis shadow]

oh huh I'll have to give that a try implementing into my blueprints, neat thanks!

[golden nexus]

some of my builds get quit high #screenshots message

[lapis shadow]

I think that's a good thing though, my builds are a little too flat for my liking but it mostly makes things simpler logistics wise haha

[golden nexus]

let me get a screenshot of a concrete factory 😛

[golden nexus]

you get massive simplicity for being able to route to "floor above" for logesitcs

So things like quikwire/screws if you have machines on a 1:1 ratio you never hit belts limits because its reduced

[wispy osprey]

@golden nexus #screenshots message i enjoyed coming up with this

[golden nexus]

My late game Concrete factory making 585/min with 3xnormal nodes at 585/min each. Is still the same footprint size at it was at early/mid game its been expanded twice in the game to meet demand #screenshots message

[lapis shadow]

Wdym if you have machines on a 1:1 ratio? Like I would have 1 smelter hooked up to 1 contructor hooked up to 1 assembler etc.?

[wispy osprey]

I like wet concrete and might do the silica based one but that might be a bit much

[placid stirrup]

Wetter is better

[wispy osprey]

Idk, there isn't a lot I'm using silica on

Literally just glass

[placid stirrup]

Oh no that's just what my gf tells me

IN GAME you pervs

[golden nexus]

Well look at the quickwire screenshot above. It has a 1:1 constructor -> assembler ratio. This means i don't deal in quickwire. So quikwire needing 37.5/min per assemblers if you do a "build all the quickwire" and put it on a single belt you run out of belt space

[wispy osprey]

@golden nexus what else should I use silica on later. It isn't useful to me right now

[golden nexus]

This means you can do much bigger build sonner in the save rather than later because your are restricted by ingots rather than by high volume items

[placid stirrup]

What tier are you on?

[golden nexus]

circuit boards? nuclear?

[wispy osprey]

End of phase 3 continuing to put off manufacturing logistics

It's a headache but I've built a setup for all the inputs now

Which can be expanded, I'm not going to abandon this factory

[golden nexus]

susshi? :S

[placid stirrup]

Oh haha yeah your entire quartz line in the MAM will use it. Around tier 7/8 you'll use a ton of it, don't worry.

[wispy osprey]

I hate plastic and rubber right now

I went with a very very basic petrol setup for now which is 200/200

Technically a waste but I can use petrol later

[golden nexus]

adapative control unit 😛 #screenshots message

[wispy osprey]

Soon

[lapis shadow]

I don't understand past the first sentence. Why would that mean you don't deal in quickwire? What does that even mean you "don't deal in quickwire"? Also what do you mean when you say "if you do a "build all the quickwire"" that wording sounds so confusing to me. And what do you mean when you say you would run out of belt space? Are you talking about like the throughput capacity or the physical space for the belt or...? These are all genuine questions btw, I'm not trying to sound like I'm nitpicking haha. Sorry for the thickheadedness

[golden nexus]

From a abstract concept point of view i tend to think in abstract blocks, so i think in ingots and computers knowing each block takes X cateirum ingot, Y plastic and makes Z computers. I don't care about the bits in the middle once the detailed problems with quickwire is solved that becomes irrelevent and no longer worth thinking about, its how you deal in the late game with growing and deeper production lines

[golden nexus]

I terms of belt space, consider that in mk2 belts you can make 60/min rplate without difficultly if you approach it in such a way.

[wispy osprey]

Meanwhile caterium+copper go brrrrrr

[rugged jasper]

is it best to overscale everything in the biggining of the game, like overscale automation and stuff for the later game ? 🙂

[wispy osprey]

I like quickwire computers

[golden nexus]

For new players no

[golden nexus]

Best advice i would give to new players is "consum the node efficently"

[rugged jasper]

I do, I try to do the math for everything

[wispy osprey]

It's okay to produce in bulk by phase 3

You'll have a lot of competent blueprint ideas by then, and your belts start to become tolerable to work with

Also, trains

[rugged jasper]

but now I can overlock machines too, so I feel like I have to overscale everything ? o.o

[golden nexus]

best thing for early game / new players is make at least one of something perfectly ig you find you are running out of something make more, most base builting mateirals you need 20-40/min of the thing

[golden nexus]

overclock miners, not machines

unless the machine overclock is temporary for space elevator parts etc....

[rugged jasper]

check ✅

[golden nexus]

overclock is non linear in power usage 2x speed = 3x power usage

[rugged jasper]

gotcha ❤️
thank you.

[golden nexus]

So it absolutly makes sense to exact as much coal as possible for more power for example

cause you iwll make more power than you consume extracting it at 250% clock speed

[rugged jasper]

I don't even have coal power yet
biomass is running 24/7 as I harvest everything one my path

[golden nexus]

biomass not that bad if you have a basic efficent factory to make it

[lapis shadow]

Ok so let's say that I have a smelter that outputs enough material to feed two constructors. Are you saying that instead of splitting the outputs of the smelter into the two contructors, you would just make like 2 smelters and underclock them to half so that each one feeds one constructor? That way you can kinda just have that as one module that can be copy pasted around for simplicity?

[wispy osprey]

A shame alt: plastic smart plating kinda blows

[golden nexus]

Yes, I would do that, It makes something like rplate, rotor extremely simple to build on bulk. In fact os much so that rplate and rotor basic recipies actually have identical floor layouts 🙂

[golden nexus]

So these 3 buildings for example is "blocks" you have rplate in one and rotor in the other, the 3rd converts them to smart plate. This means i can get either rotor, rplate, smart plate from the build. This actually does ~56/min smart plate.... #screenshots message

This also means I have a smelter + floor design which converts 600/min iron to 60/min rplate on demand.... that proves usful for things like crystal oss etc...

eg smart plate 🙂 #screenshots message

The irony there being thats it uses 4 impure nodes for this 🙂

[rugged jasper]

I am clearly not smart enough for this game 😄

[golden nexus]

Likewise these 2 builds are the same, they both do copper, they take 600/min copper ore and make 600/min wire and 600/min cable. #screenshots message

[lapis shadow]

Hm I think that's a real clever idea and I wanna try implementing that into my own play now. I still don't really understand how it helps you save on belt space though? Typically the belt feeding the raw resources have the most throughput volume since** most **recipes call for a higher volume of input than output so the subsequent output manifolds should almost always be able to handle the load since your number of items per minute will get smaller with each step in the assmebly line

[golden nexus]

Belts space is really bandwidth is what i meant rather than physical space. Sorry for the confustino around this

[lapis shadow]

bandwidth as in the throughput of the belt? or?

[golden nexus]

speed of items

[rugged jasper]

#screenshots message is this how I should organize everything ?

[lapis shadow]

Still not sure if I fully understand exactly how you're saying you like to do things lol, but you definitely gave me some good ideas now so thank you 🙏

[golden nexus]

So in terms of bandwidth a lot of the modules get designed early on eg mk3-4 belts. But they are based on min belt speed. Only the bus/spine/backbone is using the highest speed belts which means when you go to scale up you don't need to replace all the belts, just the spine eg the smelter + ingot bus So a lot of modules like copper / wire / cable look like this #screenshots message

[golden nexus]

ITs a matter of making blocks that work and then spamming the block over and over

[golden nexus]

sure, it takes a lot to learn to learn how to build vertal

[rugged jasper]

I mean with the math.
In the end it will be = fully overclocked, so everything before that just has to match up.

idk if it made any sense what I just said 🥹

[golden nexus]

@lapis shadow Its on of the approaches is figure out how to make a 30/min rplate / rotor maker but with only using mk2 belts is one of the challanges

[lapis shadow]

Would you at all be interested in walking me through this briefly? Outside of using strictly text I mean, like I could hop into a save with you? I think I've mostly got it down but I'm still curious about it

[rugged obsidian]

When news of 1.2???

[mortal ginkgo]

in 4 minutes

[rugged obsidian]

?

[rugged jasper]

Phase two here I come 😍

[strange depot]

Is it possible to get Swedish translation in game?

[rugged jasper]

is coal power good ? or better than bio ?

[steep hatch]

Has anyone ever managed to make rails that hug the terrain and look good, and if so what black magic did you summon to make that work

[steep hatch]

Swedish devs, so…

[steep hatch]

Better, full auto

[golden nexus]

I mean check this out #screenshots message a more subtle property of the design is that every constructors is pointing inwards and every constructors takes ingots. This is currently setup to take one input of ingotes per floors. But there nothing preventing me from changing the design so each constructor takes its own ingot bus so the building can take 6 ingot buses to each constructor vertiaclly since all constructors are goignt o be vertically aligned.

So this means you can take an example 6x6 towers which was taking 1200/min iron ingot and make the tower take up to 6x that rate which is 7,200/min ingots and still process it.... its a more subtle design trade off.... whch would result in this design to get ingots to the constructors #screenshots message

[slender bear]

What happens if you try to research a hard drive and you're out of alternate recipes?

[golden nexus]

it rejects it

[rugged jasper]

#screenshots message Is it large enough for later phase builds ?
I will elevate it each time tho.

[golden nexus]

no lmao 😛

[rugged jasper]

no ? 😮

[golden nexus]

Suggestion, don't approach game with a viewpoint of building everything in one place

[rugged jasper]

I mean each floor 41x31 will be for each phase.

[nocturne agate]

Hi, I'm getting into into phase 4 and trying to plan my approach to the later phases and new intermediates. How do people usually manage project assembly parts, do people make isolated factories with their own supply for them or just pull material off of supply lines for the project assembly parts? I feel like they should get their own factory going forward, but I just hate the idea that then I'll have a bunch of obsolete factories once I'm done with project assembly.

Also for new intermediates, is it better to restructure old factories or just make individual factories for them? For example I was having trouble with heavy modular frames and trying to figure out if I could just tack on another floor to my initial steel processing facility. I ended up just making an individual factory to supply a single heavy modular frame manufacturer, which feels like a lot to do just to supply 2 heavy modular frames per min.

[rugged jasper]

60x60 will be enough ?? @thorny prawn

[golden nexus]

You can generally "wing" phase 4 parts if you want to to with a temporary factory.

[golden nexus]

Its hard to tell.. it depend how big and how compact you build. You probably should focus on more short term stuff

[golden nexus]

almost everything you do before about mk3 belts will be replaced 😉

[nocturne agate]

that's what I'm doing rn for phase 4 itself, I have a bunch of storage containers that I'm manually filling for the motor things and eventually that one other part. No idea what phase 5 looks like though, if its similar to phase 4 and these project assembly parts get used as intermediates for the later ones, I was thinking that maybe specific assembly lines for rocket parts could be useful

[rugged jasper]

I think I can build very compact 🤭
game just had a through it at me, and I will solve it somehow 😄

[placid stirrup]

Hand feeding phase 4 is a pain in the ass, I would at least automate the high rate items

[golden nexus]

phase 5 will test your power supply lmao

[wispy osprey]

Mk4 belts will last you a really long time

Skip mk5 unless you need the raw resource

[rugged jasper]

I will make my platform 60x60. it should be enough for each phase floor

[fallow vector]

Quick question: When you look at belt designs from the top, which ones are your favorite?

[golden nexus]

Yeah, sloop makes it way easier, but you can generall build one level above no problem

[wispy osprey]

I think nearly everyone likes the last belt. The color can be changed

[golden nexus]

lasagna

[placid stirrup]

Not sure why anyone would skip mk5 belts, you already need to make the aluminum for casings and other things

[wispy osprey]

I'm a fan of weaved lines or bus systems

[golden nexus]

starting to see the layers forming here #screenshots message

[wispy osprey]

It's a big number but it's still an annoying number

[placid stirrup]

Aluminum is a fun and necessary challenge

[wispy osprey]

#screenshots message

I literally don't need to make more copper sheet than that, think I'm good

[golden nexus]

i don't end up with that at all, what your seeing above is almost all of my inter building items swapping going on....

the buildings are arranged for minimum cross sending of items

[wispy osprey]

Ok, I'll pretend to understand that

[golden nexus]

Things like steel ingot -> steel beam is a singler vertical lift to the floor above, there is no "bus", there is no logesitcs they were eliminated by grouping together of items

[rugged jasper]

Trees and bushes will not grow back right ?

[golden nexus]

nope

[wispy osprey]

Ah, forming a singular group rather than splitting them into individual segments

[rugged jasper]

thank god.! Perfect 😄

[wispy osprey]

Trees, bushes, mushrooms and certain rock formations respawn after major patches

[golden nexus]

Yeah, So you can see the foundry here with the vertical on the end of the manifold going to constructors where th eingots are imemdiatly consumed which then go to the beam which is also immediatly consumed #screenshots message

[wispy osprey]

It's neat to do individual steps like that but I really like large step by step processes right now

[golden nexus]

Yeah, So i reduce massivly then deal with motors instead and ship that item as an "base material"

[rugged jasper]

I can delete space elevator and replace it without anything happen to my phase quest right ?

[golden nexus]

btw the pipes are on the floor above that which is also simply dealing with the othe rhalf of the steel ingot output manifold

[golden nexus]

yes

[wispy osprey]

Eventually you'll just leave it sit somewhere because it's mainly inconvenient to place again

[golden nexus]

at some stage you realise you can hand feed it items as well

[wispy osprey]

I hand fed from the very start

[rugged jasper]

I made a platform for it, that I just have to move up, each my I get to a new phase

[golden nexus]

temp belt if i want the progress indicator to work

[wispy osprey]

It's cool for smart plating yeah. It took me until midgame to learn how to count for some reason

[golden nexus]

i am trying to figure out what to do next

[wispy osprey]

Bulk

[golden nexus]

Of?

[wispy osprey]

Uhhh, depends on your stage of the game

[golden nexus]

Completed, Except nut

[near siren]

apparently you can look at and download blue prints from somewhere?

[wispy osprey]

It's actually decently frowned upon to take from someone else's effort and claim it as your own

As far as i can tell anyway

[golden nexus]

This stage #screenshots message

[mortal ginkgo]

There are websites that people share the BPs they make yep

[wispy osprey]

If the only thing you're working on now is nut, continue sinking plutonium

[golden nexus]

so much to do for nuclear

[zenith shard]

why do I feel so stupid when I play this game .___.

I deleted and recreated my factory so many times

and its still useless and ugly af