satisfactory

[dim flint]

It's a nonlinear equation, which also makes things slightly harder.

[golden nexus]

but its not, because the travel time for a train on a track is mostly constant, but its carrying capacity / though put varies widly by adding / removing freight wagons to it

[dim flint]

It literally is. At some point the train will be full and then it would need to do the round trip faster to carry more goods.

[golden nexus]

The rtt doesn't effect thoughput, it just defines the length that the train needs to be

[dim flint]

You have an incorrect definition of throughput.

[zenith sage]

I wish I noted down the timestamp when I finished phase 2... cause I'm guessing it's been like 60h at least since then and I'm nowhere near completing phase 3

[golden nexus]

Well I am using item per minute, I have no idea what your using?

[rugged fiber]

I just used a merger to feed my Dimensional storage instead of making 3 separate ones 😁

[digital grail]

random quick question for the masses: do you make the factory then add architecture or add it while you build the factory?

[dim flint]

Throughput is the amount of items/min a set of trains can carry between two stations.

[golden nexus]

I don't look at it from that perspective, I look at it from a perspective the train has a set of requirments to meet. It has a travel time and you alter the length of the train (the only thing that can be altered) to meet thoose requirments for a specific item.

[rugged fiber]

I structure as I go to eliminate the OPS i need that to go here

[coral marsh]

One answer is, ImKibitz adds it while hes building as his architecture is quite often a major part of just the foundations. You can do it either way, personally I would lay the foundations first, place the buildings then design the architecture afterwards

[sullen gull]

It's evolved. Usually any more, I have a specific "idea" and just build/design as I go. Most of the design aspects are done in blurpints as well.

[fluid crow]

I'd say more on the build side since the architecture will probably get in your way and moved

[dim flint]

That's not the only thing you can alter though. You can also add multiple trains to a system. Which was partly why I wrote the code. Since it's somewhat cumbersome to hand optimize.

[coral marsh]

I figured this out when I was given the idea to make the diamonds I need on site at each stop so I can have far less freight cars than cart all the coal to one location

Forever grateful of that idea but also a Lil pissed I didnt think of it myself

[dim flint]

@golden nexus literally just run my code and play with it. You'll see what I mean.

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-trap-meme-gif-8125029

[dim flint]

Or take the 3 statements that are the actual equations it solves and do the math by hand.

[golden nexus]

If you have a train int he grass fields and you have a factory on the north west coast. You are not going to be greatly chanigng the rtt. The travel time is pritty much a constant with some variability. eg a best case / worse case.... You can calculate the travel time, you then adjust the train which is actually adjusting the thoughput rrt therefore does not effect thoughput, it effects the size of the train.....

[dim flint]

Making fun of my code and saying it looks like a mess or whatever is just insulting and you clearly haven't giving this as much thought as I have.

[golden nexus]

it does look like a mess, it would fail a formal code review instantly

[dim flint]

Lololol

[golden nexus]

like i would just throw it back at the other dev....

[digital grail]

Interesting, ty guys.

I’ve started designing it as I build the factory. Right now I’m making turbo engines, and I’ve begun adding blocks of machines that produce specific items—it’s coming together really well!

[golden nexus]

Simple because the qulity of the work isn't considered professional

[dim flint]

It's not like the best code in the world, but I it's not horrible. And you're just being a dick for no reason.

[golden nexus]

But it is probable that i also work in an enviroment which has much higher standard for code / code reviews...

[coral marsh]

Doesn't give you the right to call someone else's code a mess btw. It's unfair to do so in any regard unless the person used AI to make it

[dim flint]

It's not professional quality. I hacked it together in a few days. It has some tests and it have a nice CLI parser and help message.

[fluid crow]

Nice! having an Idea for the architecture and making sure it will work is good but I would build stuff out before going crazy with the details

[dim flint]

Wtf is wrong with you. You claim to have worked as a SW dev for 25 years. You would have seen so much worse than this from so many people.

[sullen gull]

Eh, I wouldn't say that. Sounds like pretty "straight forwards" conversation from two sides of the table. Critisim is hard for sure, but wouldn't say the needs for names and such are warrented 🤷‍♂️

[golden nexus]

Yeah, But for some reason its way longer than it needs to be.

[golden nexus]

Yes, I have absolutely. The industry has a big problem because of it

[dim flint]

Calling someones code they put time into bad with no actual constructive criticism is very much being a dick.

I would welcome ways to improve it.

[zenith shard]

how to scan for slugs?

[golden nexus]

Putting the calculation in a function would sure help....

Its the code.. its just seriously boilerplate heavy for the problem

[sullen gull]

Firstly, I didn't look at your code, and don't really care too. Secondly, you are only upset because someone, from what it sounds, has a great deal more experience (Idk them from John, but just going from convo) is criticizing your work. They never insulted you directly, outside of making statements of overthought. Which I also made during the drone convo.

Anyhow, point is, let's try to keep it civil.

[dim flint]

That's mostly either input handling and all the cases around the combinations of various input you can give. E.g. asking to solve for a fixed RTT and throughput, vs solving for just a given RTT, etc.

Or it's to establish all the constraints according to the inputs. Which Z3 does this way.

Please tell me where I could make it shorter?

[dim flint]

What would that function do on it's own? That's not how Z3 works.

[golden nexus]

why exactly do you need z3?

[dim flint]

To solve for optimal values.

It's technically not the best tool, since it's a linear solver, and the equations are generally nonlinear. But it works well enough for most cases.

The fact that you're even asking that shows you don't understand what it's doing.

[golden nexus]

Yeah, You don't actually need it....

[dim flint]

It's not just taking all the inputs of the throughput equation and calculating the throughput. It's taking some of the inputs and giving you mins and maxs for the others.

[dim flint]

Please show me how you solve for the optimal throughput for a single train single car with a stack size of 100 on a platform with 2x1200 belts then.

[golden nexus]

i already did

[dim flint]

What's the math for the throughput and RTT then?

[golden nexus]

I explained that already

[dim flint]

No you didn't

And even if you think you did, I'd love to see how you attempt to solve this in code. Without a solver of some kind.

[digital grail]

agreed! so far im making the machines and triple checking math then building all the fancy stuff. ill post a image of what im working on in the screenshot tab in a bit

[dim flint]

Granted, the main reason to use a solver was to get it to tell me the minimum number of trains I needed.

[golden nexus]

This was explained above... you were not paying attention, your too detemrined ot be right.... but you overthink the problem. Its pure arrogance on your part. The actual problem is much simpler than you are making it out to be.

[golden nexus]

Well the minimum number is always going to be 1, the maximum number of trains is always going to be 2. Or do you mean the number of freight wagons?

[dim flint]

No

Sometimes to get a desired throughput you need either additional cars or trains.

[golden nexus]

Well your max trains is 2... why?

[dim flint]

Sometimes it's easier to add a train than change the platforms.

[dim flint]

? What are you talking about

[golden nexus]

as in 2 trains using the same stations

Why is the maximum number 2 in satisfactory?

[dim flint]

It can go as high as 50 in my code. I out that limit in just to avoid the solver getting stuck in some cases.

[dim flint]

Where did you get 2 from?

[golden nexus]

You tell me...

[dim flint]

I didn't say two did I?

I feel like if you just actually read some of the tests or played with it you'd realize it's doing something that makes the calculations easier for you.

[golden nexus]

Well, I am asking you to tell me why the maximum number of trains that can travel between 2 stations is two before you get unwanted adverse peformance

[dim flint]

Instead you think it's too long. And just turn up your nose and insult me.

[golden nexus]

This is an extremly detemrinistic and widly known problem

[dim flint]

Where did you get the number 2 from!? I'm so confused.

[golden nexus]

Its why you can't use stackers in the game

[dim flint]

Stackers?

[golden nexus]

Yes

[dim flint]

Are you just trolling me now?

[golden nexus]

Nope

How many stacks does a train wagon hold?

[dim flint]

32

[golden nexus]

How many stacks does a train station platform hold?

[dim flint]

You don't see how this is not an answer?

[golden nexus]

its coming....

[zenith shard]

can I look at your code btw?

[dim flint]

More than 32

[dim flint]

https://github.com/nixpulvis/sat_is_factory/blob/master/src/sat_is_factory/train_solver/train_solver.py

[golden nexus]

Need an exact number

[zenith shard]

<3

[oak nymph]

I just build 72 refinery it took so looong

[dim flint]

I forget off hand and I don't believe it's needed to solve the equations, but I think it's 1.5 wagons, so 48?

[golden nexus]

Its exactly double a wagon. This is where the number 2 comes from.

[dim flint]

Ok

What's your point?

If your RTT is like 15 min for some reason, you can easily fit more than 3 trains through there.

[golden nexus]

So since yu lack total control over the train schedule and the trains tend to "bunch up" over time when left to run. You would know that if you have more than two trains the 3rd train is going to arrive at an empty platform and have no cargo to load.

[sullen gull]

Ummm .. It's not double the wagon ...

[dim flint]

Docking only takes about 30 sec

[sullen gull]

If it was, it'd be 64 😛

[golden nexus]

What size is it?

[sullen gull]

48

[dim flint]

You can control them a bit with wait times, but yes, this is a documented issue. And my code solves assuming even spacing.

[golden nexus]

then the max number of trains is 1

[dim flint]

That's demonstrably false.

[golden nexus]

Well its 1.5

[dim flint]

I have multiple lines with multiple trains which add throughput.

[golden nexus]

It can also be demonstrated when the train bunch up the 2nd one will always be half empty and making it ineffective

[fickle locust]

Use wait times

[dim flint]

And it's also just logical that you'd add trains and they would add throughput if you have input to a station which is filling up the platforms faster than the other trains can load it.

[fickle locust]

Yes it's buggy but you can still largely make it work

[golden nexus]

We not talking about multiple lines, we are talking about 2 stations and how many trains you can run between them.

[dim flint]

Setting the wait to RTT/numtrains roughly works.

[golden nexus]

Anyway.. this is why you can't have a factorio style stacker in the game. Any more than 2 and the 3rd and sucessive trains risk leaving completly empty and thus is unreliable solution

[fierce forum]

What's the most recent update?

[dim flint]

1.1, idk the patch number.

[fierce forum]

This add?

[dim flint]

That's incorrect.

[golden nexus]

Roughly isn't good enough, the trains overtime will not have an exact schedule the moement something else has external influence on them eg any other train on track altering any signal will alter the timing

[dim flint]

Yes, but adding trains may still increase throughput. You can avoid them falling into a worst case situation where they are completely stacked up on each other.

[golden nexus]

ok, now your arguing again a 5 year old community consensus at this point. #screenshots message

[dim flint]

This AI answer proves nothing.

[golden nexus]

So now you having biten off an argument ever factorio player will shoot you down about it as well as myself. This has been known for a long time about the game

Well its all citated

[golden nexus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1g7rosz/any_fellow_factorio_players_what_do_we_think_of/

[dim flint]

So explain to me then why I managed to add three trains to my aluminum line and got the desired level of throughput?

[coral marsh]

Aye that helps actually, ik im not a part of this convo/argument, but thanks for the page on train logistics.

[dim flint]

This seems like another topic. About shortest routes... how is this related to running multiple trains?

[golden nexus]

You can't get stackers / holding trakcs in satisfactory. Cause the moment you do because the platform stalls. After you have 2 trains go though it the 3rd one won'thave anything to pickup....

[golden nexus]

Really? You can't connect the two together?

[coral marsh]

So is it best to limite the number of trains on one line to 2? And not 3?

[fickle locust]

Object scanner, right click to cycle what it scans for
If you can't find slugs yet it's because you need to unlock that option (I believe in the MAM)

[golden nexus]

Its more like 1.5

[coral marsh]

Hrm, thanks

[zenith shard]

I have unlocked it, but its still not in the cycle

[dim flint]

This is a better link https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Train_throughput but doesn't cover multiple trains.

[golden nexus]

Cause hte train platform buffer is 1.5 the size of a train...

Yeah you can run 2, but if the 2nd one catches up to it.. the 2nd train will always be half empty

[dim flint]

For multiple trains use this #math-and-meta message

[coral marsh]

Ill have to dedicate some time to reading that, but thanks again

[golden nexus]

So in effect if you add a 2nd train you don't multiply your capacity by 2, you multiple it by about 1.5 in the worse case situaiton...

But if you want reliability you have to take the worst case scenario for this...

[dim flint]

It's just two relatively simple equations. My code is what solves for these.

[fickle locust]

Is there a reason we're ignoring the wait until a full load/unload option for trains?

[fresh arch]

So you know thoes small flocks of birds that fly in the distance? yeah you cannot hit/kill them, super disapointed 0/10 game
Devs pls fix

[sullen gull]

Curious, what is the value of P derived from?

[golden nexus]

I use it...

[dense violet]

it's moderately niche since if you really want equal load rates to the platforms with items of the same stack size

[fickle locust]

Why is this train half empty? Isn't it set to wait until it can fully load or unload?

[dim flint]

Not true at all. If you have an input rate of 1200 from a miner let's say, and a stack size of 100. Then you fill a car amount in 2.666 min right? So then if your route is like 10 min, you could have 3 fully loaded single car trains!

[golden nexus]

This works in theory, it breaks in practice. The reaons have alreayd been explained now

[dim flint]

That's just the wait time for a dock. It's an experimentally derived average.

[dim flint]

Lolol. It works in practice too. I do it in multiple places.

[golden nexus]

it breaks 😉

[dim flint]

Wait times can help with this.

[golden nexus]

"help with this", nope it still breaks....

[dim flint]

Not in my save.

You do need to be aware of trains are backing up for some reason. But if you can avoid it, adding trains can increase throughput.

[golden nexus]

Well, I would never use it, or encourage anyone to use it because it breaks based on what i know. I would encourage them to increase the length of the train.

[dim flint]

That's the sure fire solution, but it requires changing the platform layout and takes more space. Adding a train is free.

[golden nexus]

Well its not free....

[dim flint]

You're such a piece of work.

[golden nexus]

Well if you keep telling lies, I will keep responding to you

I will keep calling you out on the bullshit

[dim flint]

Lies!? Surely anyone reading can understand what I mean by free in that context.

[golden nexus]

Well it increases, power usage, track congestion and then also has the other problems just discussed above

that ones that you deny exist....

[dim flint]

And you're the one saying that throughput isn't defendant on RTT which is absolutely false.

In both parts of this: #math-and-meta message RTT is involved.

[golden nexus]

Well you can't alter RTT can you?

[dim flint]

That's a totally separate point.

[golden nexus]

Its really not, It basically means your have a teleporter to move the destinaion station closer to remove RTT. You gotta have a conversaiton based in reality here.

[dusky hedge]

are you guys playign the same game? 😐

[sullen gull]

(playing idiot again, RTT is ... return total time? 😛 )

[toxic zenith]

I'm going absolutely mad trying to figure out why a throughput monitor is reporting 320 items/minute... when it's fed by 6 machines outputting 60/m + 1 machine outputting 20/m and all 7 report 100% efficiency.

[sullen gull]

👍

[dim flint]

This guy likes to argue. And thinks that because I was wrong about drones earlier I must be an idiot or something.

[toxic zenith]

RTTT = round trip time, usually.

[sullen gull]

Have a lower mk belt somewhere?

[dim flint]

Round trip time, or RtD round trip duration. Various places use various terms.

[toxic zenith]

It's mk.4 all the way through and the machines would be backing up and not at 100% efficiency if that were the case.

[sullen gull]

Dur, makes sense and how I was reading it, just second guessing myself as usual 😛

[golden nexus]

If you train doesn't meet the thoughput requirments, because of rtt, you can't shrink rtt. So therefore rtt is by default considered a constant. So therefore you have to change everything else EXCEPT rrt. This means the default thing to change is the length of the train...

Now, If you alter the length of the train and kept rtt a constant but this has changed thoughput, This proves that thoughput isn't dependant on rtt. Which is the claim your making here and earlier....

[dim flint]

I was just saying that you need to know your RTT to calculate throughput. It was a pretty simple point. Very much grounded in reality. You often time the train, toot to toot, then plug it into the solver.

[sullen gull]

Every machine is at 100%?

[toxic zenith]

Yup.

[sullen gull]

Nothing has thier internal buffer backing up?

[limpid iron]

is there a way to disable the SFX from destroying foliage, all the bits and pieces of trees and bushes? lags my game when I destroy a bunch

[dim flint]

That's what my --rtd flag does, and it's used in basically every invocation of my tool.

[sullen gull]

Because it's like you are missing the output of a single 60/m machine....

[toxic zenith]

Yeah, which is why I've checked the entire stack like six times now.

[dim flint]

That doesn't prove it's independent at all. You just held RTT constant. Changing another variable should be expected to change the value. This is basic math stuff.

[toxic zenith]

Admittedly I'm using vertical mergers so them silently discarding one of the inputs wouldn't be completely out of bounds of all the quirks they have.

[ebon cobalt]

i just spent 3 hours planning and building coal power cus 8 gens wasnt enough power =^=

[dim flint]

I swear @golden nexus you are just so stubborn you cannot accept that what I'm saying could be right.

[golden nexus]

Yeah, I also said to you that I look at it from a perspective of making the train meet deadline requirements. I don't look at what the train is capable of, I look at what the train is required to do and then make the train meet these requirments. For some reason you seem to be approaching it from what the train can currnetly do... this is why you end up having to solve the linear equation and I do not

[sullen gull]

And, (sorry, triple checking each machine) the output buffers should have nothing in them ... right?

[toxic zenith]

Right.

[dim flint]

"Nonlinear equation"

[toxic zenith]

it was vertical lift shenanigans after all

[golden nexus]

What your doing from my point of view is building a train and then trying to see what it can fit. I do the opposite of this... which is 99% of players do which is they realise they need to get X to Y at /minute value and then build a train that does that.

The result of that isn't a complex maths problem, its actually been optimized away once you know the rtt time of the train. So no complex program tools, maths of code is required to solve the problem

[dim flint]

Yes, the problem is much simpler as you lock down various variables, it's true. But it's still interesting to be able to solve it more generally. And the ability to choose to optimize for trains vs cars is also a nice trick it can handle.

The math itself is not that hard, but it's not something I want to do by hand every time, so I thought I'd solve it in a flexible way.

You shit on my code, but have not really grasped its utility, nor have you said anything constructive about it at all. Your only point seems to be that it's too long for you.

[worn crown]

I like building 3km long conveyer belts

For anyone who may care...

[golden nexus]

I don't do that, I think like a programmer.. and the fastest way to do the calculation is to completly avoid doing the calculation at all

[dim flint]

In practice I generally fix --rtd and see how many trains and cars I can get away with.

[dim flint]

So you don't find it even slightly interesting what the optimal throughput efficiencies are for a station, like in https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Train_throughput

Because I love that kind of stuff.

[golden nexus]

You mean the example I gave you at the state is almost verbatium for whats described there

[dim flint]

And I know plenty of programmers who also love that kind of stuff.

[cunning glade]

Is it possible too sloop 60 particle accelerators

[golden nexus]

Yes, They also fail code reviews all the time for it

The number of peolpe who grossly overcomplicate and over think things but completly miss the bleeding obvious is a nightmare....

[dim flint]

You need to find the maximum of the throughput value though. You don't know the RTT yet.

[fickle locust]

IIRC there are 106 sloops total and particle accelerators require 4 each, so no

[golden nexus]

If you have the trains capacity you know its max rtt time / deadline.

[dim flint]

I am often the guy at work arguing for things to be simpler. But asking for something to be simpler just because you don't understand it is a very bad look. I have been on both sides of that many times, I know.

[craggy vector]

Wdym planning

[dim flint]

I want the RTT which gives the maximum throughput.

[dim flint]

Deadline is still not something I really understand. Sorry if you explained it before.

To me a deadline is a time or time interval, so how is it different from RTT?

[ebon cobalt]

like calculations of the inputs and how much power it should/will make :P
most of the time was building

[golden nexus]

I mean i look at this conversation and your prior ones tonight, you were wrong about the drones, your wrong about the stacker, your wrong about the max trains and your overthinking the problems. You were also giving wrong advice to the other guy about the bi-directional track/signals, somehow thinking a loop would help a back and forth.

There is a lot of wrong going on here....

[dim flint]

I never said anything about the stacker lol

[craggy vector]

Wow that’s real smart, I didn’t think you had to plan until you got to uranium and stuff lol😭

[dim flint]

And I was wrong about the drones, but admitted it immediately when I was shown how I was wrong.

[dim flint]

I was also not wrong about the max trains.

[golden nexus]

Yup and the amount that it takes to show you are wrong is somewhat extremely high.... because of the ignorance....

[dim flint]

And I was not wrong about the issue with the train signaling. He's going to have a nightmare without dual tracks.

[ebon cobalt]

i plan everything i do cus i like perfection and if its not perfect my adhd cries xD
and im playing 3 other factory games frequently so aint no way im remembering the production and consumption of anything

[golden nexus]

Nope, Hes really not, The trains in the game are designed to do exaclty what was descibed by me

[dim flint]

If you want to have like 500 car trains. Sure

And wait like 30 min to see your production show up

Sounds great.

[golden nexus]

The trains absolutely will do a bi-direction track with 2 trains running against each others. Then you expand that track with passing points as your requirments increase. This is an extremly common approach to most games which involve trains from factorio, openttd, captain of industry, satisfactory etc.. etc.. it also what they do in the real world

[golden nexus]

actual circumnavigation of the map is about 15 minutes which is the largest rtt to meet in the game

[dim flint]

Listen, I was just suggesting he add dual lane tracks.

[golden nexus]

yeah everyone suggested that but for some reason they rejected it, in fact they rejected every solution....

[dim flint]

And I was saying a purely push pull setup will have issues. If you want to design something with passing areas and all that, go for it.

Well yea, sounds like they already laid a lot of track. I didn't know that.

But calling me wrong about all these things and shitting on my code is uncalled for.

[worn crown]

Pardon my ignorance but does this game have coding in it ? As in a requirement ?

[dim flint]

No

[worn crown]

I see, thank you

[dim flint]

Mostly you'll just want to use the built in calculator for some simple ratio math.

It's just frustrating to me because while it's not super polished or "production grade", I put a decent about of time and effort into that solver. And I wish people would see it for what it is, and not shit on it because they don't like reading the code and think it would fail code review.

[worn crown]

The most mathematics I've done is making sure the output of one machine matches the input requirement of another

[dim flint]

That's basically all there is to it! 🙂

[worn crown]

I fear that may get more complicated as time goes on

I looked at that train-through put link and I saw the equation and could not understand in what case that would have to be used

[dim flint]

Well as you may have noticed, we've been arguing about train throughput for like an hour (or more) now, so the finer points get a little more complex. But honestly, nothing is too crazy.

[sullen gull]

With larger and more complicated builds, there are tools like https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production and https://store.steampowered.com/app/3187030/Satisfactory_Modeler/

[dim flint]

Pipes are probably the hardest, because I don't know if anyone actually has a working mental model for them in full.

[sullen gull]

🤷‍♂️ Idk, I find pipes Very simple

[dim flint]

If you need X /min and want to carry them by train, you need to make sure you have enough throughput to carry it. That's all.

[sullen gull]

Oh.. pipes and trains ... 😒 😛

[glass pagoda]

#screenshots message aw hell naw

[ornate saffron]

I am building my first fuel factory of the save, I am using mark 2 pipes from the get go. so i keep runniong out of plastic and flushing my heavy oil to get more plastic lol

[worn crown]

Surely you just add more trains if you need more input no ?

[dim flint]

I had someone the other day trying to explain why you need to split them in the middle. They used some pressure model, but I didn't fully understand them.

[worn crown]

I just build right on top of the water so I don't have to get the fluid to travel any distance

[dim flint]

It worked, splitting in the middle, but just because you can make something work, doesn't mean you understand it.

[cunning glade]

Kinda what I thought ight will def be ocing them then

Which really makes me concerned about power

[glass pagoda]

How is everyone 😛

I just finished phase 3 after 400 h of messing around

[dim flint]

See, it's more complex than that. Actually the simplest thing to do is add more cars to your train.... but that can take up more space. The issue is that docking takes 30 seconds, and while the train is docking the station cannot load, so it reduces throughput. Too many trains on one station and the throughput tanks too much. So it's a balancing act. I wrote a little python program to help which I think is neat.

[fickle locust]

I've finished the chain for 5 AI Expansion Servers per minute

[sullen gull]

The main "issue" with buffers is the can cause a similar issue as not having full pipes. And, essentially affect the flow as it drains (Again, just speculation of what is happening), and spitting it before allows max flow when the train is not docking. (I guess)

[fickle locust]

Except I forgot to pick up dark matter crystallization somehow, so now I need to go hunt some hard drives

[sullen gull]

Oh and head lift issues if you don't have enough headlift prior to reach the top of the buffer

[worn crown]

That makes sense tbf, it sounds like optimisation within mathematics, and I am nothing if not a mathematician

[dim flint]

Oh I wasn't talking about trains+pipes. Just pipes in general. I haven't noticed anything special about station pipes... yet. Personally.

[cunning glade]

I've been thinking about upping the amount of phase 5 parts I make

[dim flint]

Exactly. I used Z3. Though I need to find a nonlinear solver to really do it a bit more completely.

[golden nexus]

You also should have a look at getopt

[worn crown]

Gröbner bases mentioned ?

[sullen gull]

Ahh. But yeah, idk. I have never had any issues with buffers with the way I have plumbed in the past, so truthfully not to versed on the "issues", outside of aforementioned. I just make sure they stay "full", in the event there is a stoppage of the input fluid, it "could" allow some time to regain flow. (If that makes sense 🤷‍♂️ )

[fickle locust]

I'm doing 20/20/5/5 and it feels excellent. You need to build a lot of big stuff but don't have to calculate the entire map's output

[worn crown]

So a small question, after you finish the phases, what do you do in the game ?

[dim flint]

Why would I use that instead of argparse? I'm honestly not a huge python fan. But it seems like argoarse is the more developed tool. I use getopt and getopts in bash sometimes, but they are also lacking in many ways. My favorite is probably clap or docopt, but there are way too many tools for this and none of them are perfect imo.

[sullen gull]

Replay with new knowledge, sandbox it, try some mods if on PC. Whatevah ya want 😏

[worn crown]

Well I guess I'll undertake Satisfactory Speedrunning

[dim flint]

Yea, I'm not sure about that lol. I don't have a strong background in computational optimization really.

I'm somewhat familiar with the simplex method, and that's about it.

[atomic cobalt]

Hey guys, for the past few days I've been getting the issue:
"Session Creation Failure"
"Failed to create backend session. Check your connection and try
again later."
My internet is working fine. Does anyone know how to fix this?

[fickle locust]

Build another factory using different areas
I'd never used the dune desert before, this time around I'm doing a huge portion of my stuff there

[dim flint]

My issue isn't with buffers as much as it is trying to understand and implement the VIP junction so I can do water feedback without hacks like valves and stuff.

[worn crown]

Are you knowledgeable on the ellipsoid method ?

[worn crown]

Ohhh yes that does make sense

[dim flint]

I feel like I've heard of this, but I could not tell you exactly what it is.

[sullen gull]

This is all I do 🤷‍♂️ #screenshots message

No valves, apparently this is a "hack" 🤷‍♂️ . Just supply 180 water and off it goes

[worn crown]

I would consider utilising it, however it is definitely slower than the IPM

[dim flint]

I feel like I've tried that... but maybe I was using the bottom port and assuming the lower fluid would be less pressurize or something. Like I said, I don't have a working mental model for fluids.

[sullen gull]

I have noticed that this method is sensitive to the piping not being symmetrical though

[golden nexus]

I hate hte language, Its broken, I spent some time writting c/c++ callable python wrappers and spent time working inside the runtime for python. Its a shocking failure of an abomination, the dead snakes repo exists because python can't even meet its own standards mostly because its inventing them as it goes along and has been for the last 20 years. perl was actually a better language.. but since nobody could actually read perl after it was written it to also failed as a language long term.

getopt has been the standard on for about 40 years now, python had to come along and also screw that one up as well with argparse. The javascript guys did much the same. getopt complies to all the standard posix rules sets, argparse does not as far as I am aware and its the copy of the one that actually works correctly.

[dim flint]

Yea, I would love to just make a VIP junction and push arbitrary amounts of water from extractors into my feedback loop then have them get overrun by the byproduct water as it's produced.

[dim flint]

We can at least agree about python then lol

[golden nexus]

I actually quit my last job when asked to write python 😉

[sullen gull]

Don't see how/why, when you can't push more than "Total needed - Max Waste" into the "system"

[stone python]

butterscotch pudding

[golden nexus]

Theres only one language i have had to do which is worse which is scala

[sullen gull]

Unless valves. But they calc badly

[dim flint]

But getopt is hardly a standard anymore. Sadly the new ways of doing things, while better in many ways, lack cohesion and standardization. Software developers these days don't standardize as much as they used to in large part because the community is so much larger and fragmented.

[dim flint]

Never really used scala, but people I respect seem to love it. It's generally functional I've heard, which is nice.

I prefer Rust and Ruby myself. Though I spend my of my time lately writing C++.

[dim flint]

Well if my aluminum setup needs (fake numbers) 500, but produces 300. I'd love to supply it 500, then let the byproduct fill in the 300 and have my extractors then only produce 200.

[sullen gull]

can't due to pipe max flow rate. But I do understand what you mean.

[dim flint]

Right now I have a hack which is a valve which limits the extractors. But every time I add more refineries I need to recalculate the valve rates.

[sullen gull]

This is why I prefer doing it in block of 600. Makes the number perfect. BUT, I don't do "smol" aluminium builds lol. I just pull all 12,300 bauxite now.

[dim flint]

Yea I'll have two aluminum plants. One for my nuclear build and the other for everything else.

Both somewhat large.

[golden nexus]

Yes, I know, Its a real problem in the industry. There is a real issue with standards as a whole as well, its got a lot worse in the last 2-5 years since AI code generators are entering... its been a growing problem for years with stackover flow... mostl of the answers on stackoverlow often tell you the positive bit but never the negative outcomes of the help. So they often give examples which look like they work, will pass tests but later fail.

There was a company I worked for which used forced the devs to use scala. They turned over 75% of their staff within 6 months. I come from c/c++ assembler background, rust is also going the same way, it has "issues", a lot of issues with its community which have decided to rewrite a ton of stuff in it and they have been introducing a large number of security holes in the process. It turns out memory safety isn't the only place where you get problems.. you have to actually understand race conditions etc... something that the languages like javascript, python, rust attempt to obscure / hide from people.

[golden nexus]

I suspect rust is going to die, Or be avoided, its being tried because its popular, but being popular doesn't port all the existing code that exists to it. So what most rust code seems to look like so far is a bad wrapper which has bad API issues around existing c/c++ code... so that people can say "we do rust", Its really looking quite bad there...

[dim flint]

It won't magically fix all your problems. But giving you memory safety without a garbage collector is a serious step forward in the state of the art and allows memory safe code in far greater environments.

There's nothing else quite like it still, and I have no reason to expect it to die, when companies and organizations are pushing for it across the board and bugs per line of code are dramatically lower is the studies I've seen.

[dim flint]

It's not a "wrapper" of anything at all.

Consider C++ move semantics for example. You can move something, then use it after you move it, in an indeterminate state. Rust statically forbids this. That's a key example of the kind of thing rust makes safer.

[golden nexus]

It doesn't actually do memory safty in my line of work either since I work at the low level stuff and it still need micromanaged. The less common known issues around cache invalidation, offloaded parallel processing, embedded development and rust just doesn't cut in this department, It actually increases the problems rather than reduces it.

[surreal hull]

Passenger cars for the trains when?

[hollow brook]

I am so done. Session ended because of stupid pipes and fear of getting rid of a bad coal power setup >:(

[sullen gull]

Post some screenshots in a #1038092680493801533 thread

[stray wagon]

Can you use 3 drone ports one connected to each and it will work for example one port is for fuel one is for the resource and one is to receive the resource would that work

[dim flint]

I firmly disagree, and suggest you read up on people doing interesting things with it in those areas.

Memory safety and controlled aliasing are very fundamental concepts in PL research.

[hollow brook]

I'm just taking a break. When I come back and am ready to work, I'ma get rid of my whole setup and start anew. Because I started that setup so long ago, and now I know more about pipes. But it's hard to expand off spaghetti. So I'ma get rid of it and do piping better.

[golden nexus]

You understand memory barriers right?

[dim flint]

Yes

[golden nexus]

Then you will understand rust does not support this in any way shape or form

[versed cosmos]

This is the way. Starting with a clean slate is so much easier.

[golden nexus]

It doesn't do it any better than c/c++ does it

[sullen gull]

For that you would build a drone on the Fuel one and have it go set to pick up fuel. For the other two, have the remote drones deliver to the other two. But, yes, if I understand correctly...

[hollow brook]

yea, but the scary part means absolutely nothing is going to be created. So I have to rely on what I already have in my storages.

[versed cosmos]

You won't be making any power?

[dim flint]

It literally has std::sync::atomic::fence. what are you talking about.

[versed cosmos]

Just let the grid crash, start up your coal power on some biofuel, and connect it up to restart the rest of the grid.

[golden nexus]

Yes and the rest like out of ordered write / read and cache invalidation.....

[hollow brook]

No, all my factories together take up to like 2,400 MW of power. I can't make it with biofuel.

[dim flint]

So what's your point?

[versed cosmos]

I mean just the coal power

Use the biofuel to get that going

[golden nexus]

rust doesn't help / solve problems in that area very well at all, it makes them worse

[versed cosmos]

Then it'll support itself

Then you connect it up

[hollow brook]

Ohhh, I thought you said instead of relying on my storage stuff to build my new coal power plant

Yea, I'll use biofuel for ignition of course.

[dim flint]

I disagree. Read this https:// doc.rust-lang.org/ std/sync/index.html url broken to pass whitelist.

[versed cosmos]

Don't worry about your grid crashing this early

It's easy enough to start it up

[golden nexus]

yes, i am aware of it, the problem is the peolpe who wrote it are not aware of how its used / what it has ot do

[hollow brook]

I already got enough stuff in my storages to build a new one. Plus I can also just take the materials that were in the old one too.

[sullen gull]

I feel the code talk has reached a point for #off-topic-general or #off-topic-tech

[wispy osprey]

I've been taking more breaks from the game lately

#screenshots

[dim flint]

That's a bold claim from someone who thinks a few hundred lines of python is overwhelming.

[versed cosmos]

I gotta take a break

[hollow brook]

But yea, taking a break. Finished a massive silica factory when I noticed my new coal extension was losing water.

[versed cosmos]

Just build a 20,000MW diluted fuel plant to avoid building aluminium lol

[hollow brook]

I rushed over, but the fuse broke before I could get to it

[golden nexus]

I didn't say it was overwhelming, I said the code size didn't fit the problem....

[ornate saffron]

a Packaged Diluted fuel power plant is the silliest thing lol. I saw some one mention early you can do it before blenders.

[sullen gull]

You on PC or console? I'm not really doing much if you're on PC and would like some help 😛

[ornate saffron]

now that i have done it i feel silly

[versed cosmos]

Oh yeah I'm using blenders lol

Also going through all my old fuel plants and converting them to use diluted

[dim flint]

And Rust's Send and Sync directly help address issues with concurrency and mutual access to data. Something C++ simply cannot do.

[wispy osprey]

Packaged diluted fuel in refineries is okay for awhile

[ornate saffron]

I just unlocked fuel so no blenders yet

[hollow brook]

I'm on PC, but I think I can fix this on my own. It's good problem solving skills.

[ornate saffron]

im glad i did 300 oil not 600

[versed cosmos]

Tbh I would avoid diluted packaged fuel and just speedrun to blenders

[sullen gull]

#satisfactory message

[wispy osprey]

600 needs 960 coal and sulfur per minute without blenders anyway

[ornate saffron]

i dont need and coal or sulfer for diluted fuel just water and heacy residue

[versed cosmos]

good thing about this is you can just do the same thing again to get that 600

[wispy osprey]

Oh right, I'm used to thinking immediately about turbofuel

[versed cosmos]

skip to rocket fuel with nitro rocket fuel recipe lol

[ornate saffron]

i usually use minimum power levels until rocket fuel

[wispy osprey]

Nitro is a sulfur sink

[versed cosmos]

nitro does use so much sulfur

[dim flint]

@golden nexus you seem like a grumpy old hat, who knows enough to call other people idiots, but who's likely to be left behind as the world keeps moving without you.

I suggest you try to open your mind a bit more and reengage the part of yourself who loves learning. I too struggle with this sometimes, as things evolve so quickly, and so much bullshit and hype exist out there.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Stay young and happy at heart.

Anyway, I need to go to sleep now. Hope you don't take anything I've said too wrong.

[wispy osprey]

I think the majority just does easy rf

[versed cosmos]

wtf lmao

[wispy osprey]

[dim flint]

Sorry missed that. Totally forgot about the other channel for this. My bad.

[versed cosmos]

guys why are my power storages showing 99% full when theyre actually 100/100MWh?

[wispy osprey]

It's okay to grow old and jaded, too much optimism is boring. Always don't expect too much from everything

Turning 30 in April dude, and life is just this

Anyway

[sullen gull]

Ahhhh.... to be turning 30 again .... lol

[golden nexus]

Yeah, Which has a well known memoey leak and can't actually be used without calling unsafe on it...

[versed cosmos]

damn yall ancient

24 here lol

[golden nexus]

its written in the rust docs you should go read them more 😉

[dim flint]

Bro stop atting me with your bullshit. Honestly.

[wispy osprey]

What are you on, I want some

[dim flint]

I don't need this kind of hate in my life. The world has enough.

[wispy osprey]

@golden nexus do you have an example of a train yard/ material pickup?

[golden nexus]

How do you mean?

[wispy osprey]

I dunno how big i need to make my train yard

I think I'll just leave it as extendable for now

[wispy osprey]

Train yards are mass pickup stations for ingots and items from across the map

[hallow flicker]

I’m 35… but I retired from my engineering job when I was 33.

Now, I have more time to play Satisfactory. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wispy osprey]

That's too young to retire

[hallow flicker]

According to what standard? 😂

[wispy osprey]

According to me being forced to work for the rest of my miserable life

[versed cosmos]

Just like the pioneer!

[dim flint]

Use my calculator >.<

[versed cosmos]

Can't believe they put a satisfactory reference in real life

[wispy osprey]

I don't mind it that much

I got nothing better to do

[hallow flicker]

You could always play Satisfactory.

[wispy osprey]

Genius idea, I didn't think of that

[hallow flicker]

I have my moments

[wispy osprey]

But i like guessing

If i need more than what I have in #screenshots I'll just make another completely different train yard somewhere else on the map

I want my endgame to minmax resources
The sky is the limit

[versed cosmos]

am i the only person who always forgets pumps need power

[gloomy tusk]

nope

[near frost]

How many fraightcarts can 1 train support?

[gloomy tusk]

i left like 20 of them without power and wondered why my grid wasn't supplying XD

[gloomy tusk]

as many can fit on the track im pretty sure

[versed cosmos]

they start to struggle going uphill past 4 cars

[gloomy tusk]

do your fluids also slosh in the pipes

[near frost]

i got 8 carts so do i have 2 trains?

[near frost]

wdym?

[gloomy tusk]

"i hate fluids"

[versed cosmos]

yeah u should use 2 trains

[near frost]

Oh ya

it happens ya

but i now have my pipes full

so they dont slosh any more

[charred spire]

first playthrough, starting to do phase 3, is it worth making a train to get the plastic and rubber from my oil rig 1400m away from base?

[carmine beacon]

simple one track 2 way locomotive can be worth it

[ornate saffron]

Two way single track is what i did first playthrough

[charred spire]

Im thinking about doing it just to learn trains, so will a two track be better? or are single tracks also used later on?

[placid stirrup]

I default to a double track, pillars are really easy to make in the BP

You never know where you'll want to fork off in the future

[dense violet]

single track rail is painful

[ornate saffron]

two track single direction is far better.

but more complex espitially once you add signals. I found learniing how to do frustrating but worthwhile

[charred spire]

okay, thanks everyone!

[dense violet]

2 tracks is simpler, all you need is block signals

[ornate saffron]

when you have specific questions we will be here to help. especially if you google first and get no where

[versed cosmos]

mad respect to the hoverpack for letting us down gently isntead of just dropping us out of the sky when we get out of range

[undone citrus]

I'm bored

All my friends are asleep lol

[onyx echo]

Anyone know where some sulfur is from the forest spawn?

[onyx echo]

Sleep is not a ficsit certified activity

[ornate saffron]

best to check the interactive map. found pinned under #math-and-meta satisfactory calculater

[onyx echo]

Thank you

Wait how does that work

[ornate saffron]

are you playing on pc?

[onyx echo]

No

[ornate saffron]

okay then yoyll just have to compare the map in game with the on the website.

[onyx echo]

Ok

[distant pulsar]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[undone citrus]

Why does the game have to server reset

[onyx echo]

Thanks

[distant pulsar]

I have never seen that

just autosaves

[undone citrus]

Neither have I but it just did

[onyx echo]

Wait is the games map identical for every world?

[undone citrus]

Yes

[distant pulsar]

Yes sorry to burst your bubble

[ornate saffron]

yes sir. its hand crafted not generated

[onyx echo]

Cool

[undone citrus]

It's all just one big world with every thing the same every time

[distant pulsar]

In hindsight it makes sense and why the world is so well designed

[undone citrus]

I'm kinda hoping they add node randomization tho like the rumours

Would lead to at least some playthrough difference and force people to adapt

[distant pulsar]

They should make a procedurally generated world where enemies spawn in waves

And can destroy your structures

[undone citrus]

I feel like that would take way too long

[ornate saffron]

they said they aint doing that lol

[distant pulsar]

I know but they should!!!

[ornate saffron]

have you played rift breaker?

[undone citrus]

A procedurally generated world would be way lower quality

[distant pulsar]

No sir

[ornate saffron]

i would be okay paying for a new map though hand crafted like the one we have

[distant pulsar]

Yeah make it a dlc or something... janky prodedurally generated tower defense satisfatory

[undone citrus]

Yeah that would be awesome as long as it's hand made

[distant pulsar]

I would play it

[undone citrus]

Satisfactory would be super fun with tower defense added but they never will

[lapis shadow]

Wait is the blue ring that shows up when placing a pump a preview of the current head lift, or is it the potential head lift if you were to place the pump that you're hovering?

[undone citrus]

A preview

[ornate saffron]

check it out on steam. maybe your jam same with Star Rupture

[distant pulsar]

Potential yeah

[zinc mesa]

woo!

[undone citrus]

Oh wait

That's weird wording but yeah that's what the pump will make

[distant pulsar]

Looks cool

[zinc mesa]

alright, so I'm fairly new in this chat. haven't said much. so ... can people download and run this mysterious binary please? https://github.com/FeepingCreature/sfplanner/releases/tag/v0.1.0 😄

[distant pulsar]

My other fav game is Dyson Sphere Program is reminds me of that a bit

[undone citrus]

My favorite tower defense will always be mindustry

[ornate saffron]

yes, I dont trust it so i place a new pumnp just below the clipping point

[zinc mesa]

(Satisfactory Planner needs alpha testing)

[distant pulsar]

Lol

Totally I'll get right on that

[undone citrus]

Has factory aspects but mainly capture sectors defeat the enemies and harvest the resources

[zinc mesa]

yay (you can just run the python code if you don't trust random binaries by strangers for some reason)

[distant pulsar]

I like it just something about real-time strategy I don't like as much as turn-based strategy

[zinc mesa]

(I would appreciate knowing if the windows version works though, I can't try it myself)

[undone citrus]

I sort of like the time stress, it's the only challenge about the game

Unless the flying enemies blow up your generators...

[coral marsh]

Started on the coal gen base for my 2nd world, I transfered a lot of my blueprints from my main world to the second one (super fkin cool we can do that), I have 20 coal gens down lmao, should be 1.5Gw total

[undone citrus]

There's something called a thorium reactor in that game and it's terrifying

[distant pulsar]

Wait are you the author of Satisfactory Planner?

[distant pulsar]

I think this happened to me and I quit the game afterwards

[undone citrus]

Lol

Yeah Thorium reactors are worse

You set them up and get your power but if you don't know anything they kaboom

[zinc mesa]

@distant pulsar to be clear this is a new project. I'm not sure if I have a name collision with it

[coral marsh]

Thorium go boom?

[undone citrus]

It's scary, turns out you have to supply cooling liquid

[distant pulsar]

oh I'm thinking of something else then

[zinc mesa]

@distant pulsar so yeah I'm the author of Feep's Satisfactory Planner, which may be a different satisfactory planner than what you're thinking of

[undone citrus]

And if your even remotely under the requirements then boom

Anyways Mindustry is fun

[distant pulsar]

There's Satisfactry Calculator, Satisfactory Tools... this is new... Feep's Satisfactory Planner

[undone citrus]

Like factorio but less factory and more tower defense

[coral marsh]

Holy shit, I just got what could be a cool idea for a power gen machine. Chemical reactor, put sodium or any similar metal in it with water and it creates power through chemical explosions (add nitric acid to boost power consumption). Thoughts?

[zinc mesa]

@distant pulsar well I just added on the Feep's because I wasn't sure if there was already a satisfactory planner. anyway the point is you can lay out your blueprint and it'll tell you if any of the belts are too small

[onyx echo]

Finally found that sulfer

[coral marsh]

Hey thats cool

[distant pulsar]

You would like Dyson Sphere Program then

[zinc mesa]

@coral marsh yay! tell me if it works~

(also bug reports pls)

[coral marsh]

I cant make mods, I cant code, but if i could, I 100% would make it

[fluid crow]

lazer turrets would still be cool just for show

[zinc mesa]

... make it? it's a binary, I've linked it above

[distant pulsar]

Sounds cool, have you played around with those other tools?

[zinc mesa]

nope! not at all

well, the online ones.

big thing is I don't have a requirements solver, so you can't just say "I need 30 rotors"

[coral marsh]

I would full on add in ways to make sodium, lithium, potassium, all the metals that react with water, id add in metallic alloys as well as sodium and potassium can be combined using nitric acid, which produces a more powerful explosion. (I'd set the base power output to 325Mw)

[zinc mesa]

you can say "I need 30 rotors" and it'll throw "missing item" errors until you add the whole factory chain though

@coral marsh sorry you might be talking to the wrong person, or else I'm confused.

[coral marsh]

Im talking to anyone who's interested

[zinc mesa]

.... OH, you were like "power through chemical explosions. also your satisfactory planner looks cool"

[coral marsh]

Yee

[distant pulsar]

I don't know what downloading and running binaries means but it sounds scary ngl

[coral marsh]

Cool personal idea for a mod and I like your idea of a factory planner

[hollow onyx]

does anybody here use optiscaler?

[zinc mesa]

to be clear, I want someone to run that thing and tell me if it works, especially on windows, I've just fed it into pyside6-deploy

[coral marsh]

Its JSON hard to code in at all? (I have zero experience or skill in coding)

[zinc mesa]

json is not a programming language, that said it's designed to be easy to read and change

[coral marsh]

What does UE5 or the game use?

[zinc mesa]

C++

which is yeah kinda hard to code in

[coral marsh]

Darn

I got a friend who's learning to code anyway, maybe he could make the mod for me at some point in the future

[zinc mesa]

have opus walk you through it, it can google the game wiki and also look up errors

[coral marsh]

If i had a job, id pay someone to make it for me honestly

[zinc mesa]

hardest part would probably be modeling the building

[coral marsh]

Oh 100%

Best part about that is, im dating an artist and one of my best friends is also an artist

[zinc mesa]

3d artist?

[coral marsh]

2

[zinc mesa]

ah yeah different thing

[coral marsh]

Dating one and friends with another

I knoe itd require the blender so itd be more of a late game power generator, so id honetsly bump it up from 350Mw per machine to a base of 750Mw per machine

[zinc mesa]

@distant pulsar yeah the joke is... don't download binaries from strangers, that's how you get viruses (except I am still asking you to download it lol, I need feedback)

[coral marsh]

Can anyone here code in C++?

[distant pulsar]

Just reading through your commits

You're been coding like a madman

[ornate saffron]

okay finally done my packaged Diluted Fuel power plant..... too kforever but i have 24.8GW of power

[coral marsh]

How fun

[distant pulsar]

If I had a recommendation it would be to make it a website

[coral marsh]

Agreed

[zinc mesa]

@distant pulsar "you're" in this case is opus 4.5 to be clear.

I have been excessively lazy with this thing

[distant pulsar]

Well as long as it works lol

[zinc mesa]

ikr.

website... egh. sure? I guess it's the done thing. I was hoping README would be enough

it's not exactly a complicated ux

[distant pulsar]

Generally unless it's something that can't be done with a website, I don't want to download apps they want to click a link and use a webapp

[versed cosmos]

why do you need this much power but havent unlocked blenders yet

[zinc mesa]

oh, make the whole app a website? yeah I'm not doing that. That's something I should have decided to do when I started

I like desktop apps~

[ornate saffron]

i dont want to think about power until i hit Nuclear

[versed cosmos]

damn ok

[ornate saffron]

i keep doing nitro Rocket fuel. Im forcing myself to sdo nuclear this time. So this will laast me til then lol

[onyx echo]

Nobolisks can blow up the fart spewer things right?

[ornate saffron]

yup

[onyx echo]

WHO NEEDS A GAS MASK WHEN I HAVE EXPLOSIVES

[sullen gull]

Explosive rebar will as well

[coral marsh]

The nuke nobelisk is very underwhelming, its explosion radius and destruction radi are pathetically small

[onyx echo]

I don’t have that yet

[onyx echo]

Oooo I forgot I had one of those

[coral marsh]

Research in the MAM, specifically Sulfur

[onyx echo]

I’m workin on it

[zinc mesa]

who needs a gas mask or explosives if you have food lol

[onyx echo]

I gotta go grab more sulfur first

[zinc mesa]

just eat faster than you choke

[onyx echo]

That’s not as fun

[sullen gull]

Nitro is a horrid Sulfur sink.

[zinc mesa]

hey, they literally added two things: one thing that takes health away and one thing that adds it back. this is the game css made!

[ornate saffron]

I think its great. I take the compacted coal by prduct and makes tones of steel

[onyx echo]

Is caterium worth it? What other than zip lines do I get for it?

[ornate saffron]

better power poles. computers, Circuit boards. Less worht it more required

[onyx echo]

Noted, ima wanna find an actual node asap

[sullen gull]

At the cost of 2x the sulfur compared to the base RF. And, imo, just recirc the CC back into the power plant and leave the plant as it's own thing.

[ornate saffron]

to each there own i like the way i do it. ^_^

[zinc mesa]

find a node, slap 5 hand miners on it and move on with your life

[zenith spire]

Why can I see my character every time from the last logged off place when I log on? This hasn’t ever happened to me b4

[coral marsh]

Im gonna try and refine my power gen idea but is there any way to contact the devs? That isnt customer support

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @sullen gull

[unborn oar]

!cg

whats command for coal generators setup?

[sullen gull]

Going to the Wiki and looking it up 😉

[unborn oar]

bruh k

[zinc mesa]

insert coal insert water lol

[onyx echo]

Do any of yall know why there’s no vcs in this server?

[sullen gull]

Nightmare to moderate a public server this big for starters. And, given earlier train convo as an example, something like that would most likely happen frequently and would require constant moderation.

[onyx echo]

Fair nuff

[sullen gull]

The plumbing examples are the main reason to look it up imo. Especially for those freshly onboarded 😏

[onyx echo]

Yeah it definitely took me a minute to figure out efficient pipes

They still look terrible

[wispy osprey]

Pipes are an average, not a constant

Working with a little bit more isn't the end of the world unless you're figuring out recycling logistics

[onyx echo]

recycling logistics?

[wispy osprey]

Water byproduct after making aluminum can be cycled back to input

That's just one example

[onyx echo]

Ok

[wispy osprey]

Ok

[sullen gull]

Later in the game, there are builds in which you have a fluid byproduct. You can choose to recylce it back in, which means less is needed from the source, or you can just build something you "use the excess" like wet concrete.

[onyx echo]

Is wet concrete a good alt recipe?

[sullen gull]

They're all good alts.

Except Nitro Rocket Fuel 😏 🤣

[dense violet]

*except rocket fuel

[onyx echo]

But like what do you benefit adding water to the concrete?

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

[onyx echo]

Cast screws are good because it saves you a step, takes something out of the equation

What does adding things do for you?

[dense violet]

!wikisearch concrete

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=concrete

[dense violet]

every recipe is different , you can look at teh wiki

[onyx echo]

Ohhhhhh

There’s a different building thingy

[sullen gull]

Yes, but, it's not technically good practice to think that being able to remove a thing, doesn't make that thing "bad". Screws, in this instance, are not "bad"

[coral marsh]

Thats a q&a plus bug report with the community, fun for what its needed for but not what I specifically need..

[onyx echo]

Man this rabbit hole goes deeper and deeper ever day

[sullen gull]

Tougher to manage large quantities with lower belt levels, sure, but doesn't make them "bad"

[onyx echo]

Yeah screws are great but you benefit from not having to make rods first

[sullen gull]

Dur, yeah, true 😛 Sorry, just a reaction 🤣

[onyx echo]

Ok

I watched 1 let’s game it out video and now I’m debating screws at 3am

The rabbit hole be deep indeed

[hollow onyx]

is anybody here a pro with satisfactory calculator im trying to mirror a design and its slightly offset for some reason

[sterile blade]

Most "pro"s don't use SCIM to calculate factory plans 😅
Anything else (that doesn't make mistakes) is a better choice

[hollow onyx]

im not calculating anything im just duplucating a design to mirror it which would be redundant to do by hand

just saving time is all

[sterile blade]

Ohhh, sorry I though you were asking about the planner part, not the map part ^^

[limpid iron]

does radiation spread further over time?

some uranium ore hitting me from far away compared to some hours ago

[hollow onyx]

nuh uh

[sterile blade]

The size of the "radiation bubble" depends entirely on the amount of radioactive items. It doesn't change if the amount doesn't change too

[sullen gull]

The more radiocative material in an area does cause the raius to expand. Not sure what the max is though.

[limpid iron]

its literally been changing though, hits and sticks to me from further away

its just the ore rocks sitting around

[sterile blade]

There's no theoretical max, but practically... There should be xD

[sterile blade]

Sounds like a bug 🤷‍♂️

[sullen gull]

Try a reload

[limpid iron]

I hate how it sticks to you even when you move far out of range, it still deals damage 😔

[sullen gull]

You sure you don't have any in your inventory?

[limpid iron]

nope lol

I would be dead if it were the case

[sterile blade]

You're just very loved

[limpid iron]

potion of lingering uranium rocks

[sullen gull]

And, there was a bug where if you sorted or something, it can cause the radiation to stick, even if you deleted the resource. Not sure if it still exists though.

[limpid iron]

I haven't touched the rocks at all, just been in the area for ages

[sullen gull]

But, yeah, it would peg the radiation.

[sterile blade]

Sigh
Did you forget to empty your pockets of Uranium again?! 🙄

[sterile blade]

I think that might still be a thing...

Low priority for a fix

[sullen gull]

Lol, the worst was when I went afk with some still in my pocket dimension 😛

Burned through about 100 filters 😛

But hey, when ya gotta go, ya gotta go 😏

[sterile blade]

Oh man...
That bittersweet feeling when you find a really good video about load-balancing... It has quickness, gets to the point without wasting time and even manages to cover everything! What more could one possibly want from it...
And yet, like almost every tutorial before it, it completely ignores programmable splitters and sushi 😭

#justice-for-sushi

[sterile blade]

I'm surprised you lived o.O

[sullen gull]

I didn't 🤣

[sterile blade]

Oh. So a total waste of filters xD

[sterile blade]

BTW, TotalXClips new balancing video is worth a watch 🔥

[limpid iron]

this the range the radiation got 💔
#screenshots message

[sullen gull]

If the station is full, seems normal

Fyi, if on PC, you can also upload the save to SCIM and see the plum

[limpid iron]

i aint touching the uranium at all

[sullen gull]

You don't have to "touch it"

[limpid iron]

what im saying is that it didn't use to get me from that far some hours ago

[sterile blade]

Meaning they're not processing it, all radiation is from the ore rocks on the ground

[sullen gull]

OHH... lmfao ....

goes back to his colouring books.

[limpid iron]

"plum" ?

[sullen gull]

Plume*

But disregard lol

Not appliciable. I am just, in fact, an idiot 🤣

[sterile blade]

I suspect that having multiple radiation sources close together may increase the chance of the total radiation bubble being calculated in wrong ways...
Just a guess as I recall noticing some inconsistencies in the distance and strength of radiation around that specific area

[sterile blade]

I think SCIM could actually work in confirming wether the radiation should be that strong or not

[limpid iron]

what do I do to possibly see it?

[sullen gull]

Not for deposits lilke that. They don't show radiation on SCIM

Radition shows if the item is in a machine, storage, miner, etc afaik.

[sterile blade]

Oh... I was just about to say "unless it excludes radiation just from rocks, for some weird reason"...
🤦‍♂️

[sullen gull]

Anywhere else but where it came from (depsoit, ore node)

[sterile blade]

Idea was to upload the savefile on SCIM. That shows a map of all you've built, visualizing radiation too. But it doesn't include radiation from natural sources, I guess... (no rocks, no nodes, just mined/processed stuff)

[limpid iron]

well I guess I gotta deal with it then

[sterile blade]

Verify your game files, whenever you get a chance. That might just be enough 🤷‍♂️

[sullen gull]

If you have suit/mask/iodine filters, just mine it and immediatly throw it into the trashcan

[limpid iron]

I'm doing tier 7 right now so I'll get there

[sullen gull]

What the map would look like if you were "working with" radioactive material: #screenshots message

[limpid iron]

I dunno, I don't work with any uranium yet

[sullen gull]

I figured, just showing

[sterile blade]

If you don't load-balance

[sullen gull]

I want a #nobalancers emoji 🤣

I kid though. can be cool to watch sometimes 😛

[sterile blade]

Tbf, balancing does impact radiation a lot.
Example with Uranium Cells - > Fuel Rods: #math-and-meta message

(The "radiation bubble" of each machine is smaller than the machine itself)

[sullen gull]

Never realized this screen was avaliable 😛 #screenshots message

[limpid iron]

how do you pull that up

[sterile blade]

SCIM

[limpid iron]

aw

[sterile blade]

Powerful tool. Too bad it's dead to me

[sullen gull]

Lmao, dare I ask?

[reef basin]

last time I checked (which was a long time ago arguably), the SCIM's radiation was way off from the actual radiation

[limpid iron]

I love how destructible rocks are indestructible if you aren't blowing them up in the correct order

[sterile blade]

Too many ads, don't feel like paying for it, so I just don't use it 🤷‍♂️

[limpid iron]

ad blocker:

[sullen gull]

ahemublockoriginahem 😏

[sterile blade]

Cool........

[reef basin]

ad blocker doesn't make a site better 😛

[sterile blade]

I'd rather just not use something than go through hoops just to block what they use to run their stuff...

[limpid iron]

SCIM is satisfactory calculator right?

yeah I only really ever used it to look at my infrastructure, but I got the mod to see it in-game

[sterile blade]

Which has no ads, BTW...

[sullen gull]

Cartographer = ❤️

[limpid iron]

yessir, are there still VRAM issues?

[sterile blade]

Yeah xD (or so I hear)

[limpid iron]

I'm personally not affected cuz I got 12gb of VRAM

[sullen gull]

Not sure. Can't say I have noticed any major issues personally.

[reef basin]

wait, scim has no ads? 🤔 scim is the one that has too many ads 😛

[sullen gull]

I think he was referring to the ingame mod 😛

[limpid iron]

I feel like overusing satisfactory tools production calculator is like using AI, rots your brain and then you rely on it

[gloomy tusk]

What’s the production calculator

[limpid iron]

its very useful for figuring out aluminum though

[limpid iron]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[gloomy tusk]

Is that a mod

[limpid iron]

no its a website

[reef basin]

same could be said for using a calculator lol

and at least compared to AI it gives you correct results

[gloomy tusk]

Only calculator I need is the one in my head

[sullen gull]

Tis why I like https://store.steampowered.com/app/3187030/Satisfactory_Modeler/ 😏

[sterile blade]

On a very basic level, maybe...
Like, if you use a calculator to avoid using your brain to calculate stuff like 2+2 rather than 69x420

[limpid iron]

often it doesn't even work for what I'm after anyways

[reef basin]

honestly that's imo even worse, because you start to rely on it to even place splitters and such 😛

[sullen gull]

Hmmmm, not I 🤷‍♂️

[sterile blade]

Well, it isn't all-powerful... Which is why people have preferred Tools or even use multiple ones at the same time ^^

[reef basin]

like 90% of people I see using it do 🤷

[limpid iron]

ah ok

[sullen gull]

I understand that it is not an "auto-calulator"

[limpid iron]

I use this for splitters
https://icemoonmagic.github.io/Satisfactory-Splitter-Calculator/

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/nacho-why-confused-jack-black-gif-8714598

[reef basin]

I use this for splitters

--S--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |  |

[reef basin]

like what?

[limpid iron]

I very rarely have to load balance 🤷

[limpid iron]

from memory when I'm trying to do several alt recipes, like for computers for example, it just calculates a lower output than what it could actually be

[sterile blade]

Misunderstanding on the user part, almost always from people who didn't even bother reading the little info the tool offers about its usage 😅
It's almost always worth pointing out, as 99% of the time they're not placing them for "valid" reasons (eg: marking a specific point in one's logistic)

[reef basin]

lower output? in Tools you either select "items/min" and given goal, then it just calculates the output you want, or you select "maximise", in which case it gives you absolute max possible amount you can get from given limitations

[sterile blade]

And yes, the tool itself "dislikes" being used like that (it starts lagging soon) 😆

[reef basin]

though if you feel like there's an issue or something, please do share the production line so that I can have a look

[limpid iron]

I know, I select maximise but it just calculates a inferior production line

[reef basin]

maximise just gives you any way that produces the max possible amount. It doesn't optimise it, you should change back to items/min with the maximised number if you want to plan it

[sterile blade]

Were you trying to maximize multiple products at once?

[sullen gull]

The guidence on the abilities of the program could be documented much better imo. Most don't realize that you can arrange inputs/outputs. For set part limits per machine, etc.

[limpid iron]

no

[gloomy tusk]

Is it good that I basically have an item sorter on top of my storage

[sterile blade]

For starters, the "tutorial" menu or whatever you wanna call it should automatically pop up the first time one opens the tool, rather than being tucked away in the settings corner 😅

[gloomy tusk]

There is a junk storage container that has multiple smart aplitters to sort into the already existing storage crates of my items

[sullen gull]

Erm, afair, it does on first run 🤷‍♂️

[sterile blade]

Uhm...
It should pop up and stay on screen more aggressively

[sullen gull]

But, even that doesn't state you can do what I mentioned before.

[sterile blade]

Yeah, the content is lacking too

[limpid iron]

so I've got computers as output with
250 rubber
1000 quickwire
1200 silica as input

and it can't calculate with set items/min at 41
with maximise, it calculates 34/min

but with those same resources in my world I make 42 (rounded) per min

[sullen gull]

Unless there has been an update, but a long minute since I looked at that screen 🤣

[reef basin]

best to share with the blue share button in top right corner. That way I can open it on my PC and look into it

[sterile blade]

But it could still be a decent start in avoiding some misunderstanding and easily pick up on details if people actually read it

[limpid iron]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=yGZhYH3ZkZdZWEBlo9Q8

[reef basin]

I mean this looks fine. Are you sure you've enabled all the recipes you have available in your world? Or do you have a plan from different tool/excel/whatever that would show how you're making the 42?

[sullen gull]

Like I said, I do think it comes up on first run... and, Settings>Help is pretty universal... It's just that many are like "Manual? F this rtfm shit!" 🤣

[limpid iron]

bro I'm sorry for wasting your time 😭
I didn't have the pure copper recipes enabled

with then enabled it calculates 42 rounded

[reef basin]

no problem, it isn't wasting time 🙂 I'm always glad for bug reports even if it turns out to be user error 🙂

[surreal hull]

25 motors a minute factory was alot of work :(

i did it with only iron xD

iron wire + iron pipe = iron iron iron

over 100 machines

took foreverrrrrr

[sullen gull]

Ovvvverclocking..... 😏

[surreal hull]

only a lil

[sullen gull]

I know, I'm saying MORE! 🤣

[surreal hull]

nahhh

i already used like 20 power shards on it

[sterile blade]

"rtfm"?

[sullen gull]

I thought you were older 😏

Read the F'in Manual

[surreal hull]

quick question

why the fuff is the inventory settings in accessibility instead of gameplay?

[sullen gull]

Because they are "crutches"? 🤣

./s

[surreal hull]

https://tenor.com/view/ltts-stare-linus-linus-tech-tips-gif-4913610256940092442

depression xD

[sullen gull]

No worries, link is enough to garner the point 😛

[surreal hull]

the fact you use emojis honestly makes me like you less

:P

only text versions allowed

[reef basin]

~(8^(|)=

[surreal hull]

0-0

[sullen gull]

o7

[surreal hull]

Greeny things iron wire + iron pipes is gross xD

[reef basin]

yes, why would I pay 1000 iron

[surreal hull]

1388.89/min for 25 motors/min

[sullen gull]

Hey, If Oxford can make the Cry_laugh emoji word of the day in 2016, it's perfectly acceptable communication 🤣

[tawny steppe]

Why doesnt the middle mouse button remember the orientation 😭

[reef basin]

I'd rather do 40 coal, 40 copper and 460 iron for 25 motors 😉

[surreal hull]

Weak

[reef basin]

yeah, just 37% of resources for same output 🙂

[surreal hull]

Im fully aware that using only iron is less then efficient

[sterile blade]

The irony of writing this after sharing a reaction-GIF 😆

[surreal hull]

But its silly and i wanted to xD

[sterile blade]

Back in my days, manuals came in VHSs

[surreal hull]

Gifs arent emojis

[sterile blade]

Arguably, they're even "worse" xD

[surreal hull]

https://tenor.com/view/shush-eevee-gif-25220194

[sullen gull]

Back when they were on 10" floppies .... 😏

[reef basin]

and disabled here for the exact reason you just shown

[surreal hull]

Did yall not have books for manuals?

[sullen gull]

Pssssfh, f'in stone and charcol man ... gaaawld

😏

[sterile blade]

Back in my days, books were on VHSs...

[surreal hull]

Geez old man frfr

[surreal hull]

Tf does this even mean bro? Books are books

[hollow onyx]

is there any way to make the LOD's not appear so close (im on ultra view distance)

[surreal hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1403066661053005867/1407747090905305139/togif-14.gif

[sterile blade]

Not with standard settings, but messing with the console commands (ie: changing the rendering settings of the game engine), maybe

[sullen gull]

Not old enough for the Beta Max manuals eh?

[sterile blade]

It's an extremely serious statement. You should ponder deeply over it to truly understand the truths hidden within it
||Joke disclaimer||

[hollow onyx]

r.StaticMeshLODDistanceScale

[surreal hull]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1438952382515118267/1451906589069148303/Screenshot_2025-10-18-22-20-42-122_com.facebook.katana-edit.gif

[sterile blade]

Don't ask me about specific commands, I just copy-paste them from the web as needed 😅

[hollow onyx]

my average fps went down at most by 1 from changing the LOD bruh

[sterile blade]

Worth it

There's are entire "packages" of recommended settings for the game engine, based on different specs, if you like toess with graphics ^^

I juste use the ones that add all signs to the GI calculations, when taking screenshots

[sullen gull]

needs to know why fps doesn't go above 60 with a 9800x3d, 4070ti, 64gb ram 😭

[hollow onyx]

are you using optiscaler

[sullen gull]

FrameGen? Tis on (Though not sure why)

[hollow onyx]

are you not using dlss?

[sullen gull]

I am

[sterile blade]

Glances at owned 1060
I have no idea 🤷‍♂️

[hollow onyx]

oh wait bruh i forgot 40 series and above have native frame gen

im on a bum 3070

basically optiscaler just lets 30 series and below use FSR frame gen along with DLSS for upscaling

thats odd tho im getting 100-130 fps depending on the area im in

are you using lumen

[sullen gull]

Oh, Then, no. And yes to lumen. But nothing in this save that should kill it (mass signs, lights, etc)

[sterile blade]

I'm pretty sure they also use some of those "engine modifications"

Or did you have those on just for recordings/screenshots?

[sullen gull]

No, they're still there/active

[sterile blade]

Well, probably worth mentioning then xD

[hollow onyx]

its still a pretty good chunk of your frames tho

[sullen gull]

The ones you showed before yeah? (Was that you? 🙂 )

Lol, sorry, I've slept since then 🤣

[sterile blade]

I actually aim for 30 FPS, 1080p, all on low/medium and GI off, so I only activate those commands in special occasions as you can imagine 😅

[sullen gull]

If truely on a 1060, I can, yes lol

[sterile blade]

FicsitCam to the rescue to make pretty recordings :P

[sullen gull]

I mean, it is at a pretty constant 60, so I'm not really complaining.

[sterile blade]

Yeah, how smooth it is makes a great deal of difference

[sullen gull]

Let's see.. would seeing how many FPS I get in something like Cyberpunk be any good comparison?

[sterile blade]

I prefer to lower the resolution than having to deal with lag spikes, even if I'm at 30 FPS already

[sterile blade]

Sure?
Side-by-side comparisons can be quite nice to have ^^

[short fiber]

How many coal burners can one water Gen supply too

Mk1 pipe

[sullen gull]

Typical "cookie cutter" setups is 8 gens and three extractors.

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[short fiber]

But won't I need some if the coal for steel production?

[sullen gull]

There is plenty of coal on the map for starters. Where are you on the map?

Grass Fields?

[short fiber]

Bottom right. The crator with the pure coal node

[sullen gull]

The bluecrater?

[short fiber]

I'm not sure. It's also next to a Sam node. Nearing the edge of the map

[sullen gull]

Not sure where you mean off hand. But this is always my preferred place to build a coal plant: #screenshots message

#screenshots message

[limpid iron]

is it normal for single player world to say "server will restart in 60 minutes"

[sullen gull]

Yes.

[limpid iron]

i think satisfactory thinks ive been playing longer than i actually am, steam session is 7 hours but i got the notification for 12 hours 2 hours ago

[limpid iron]

btw the radiation fixed itself
#screenshots message

standing basically right on top of it and no radiation

[sullen gull]

Didn't reload?

[limpid iron]

no

just been playing and running around the map

[sullen gull]

Huh, strange

[limpid iron]

my world is very strange, i get many random bugs

[whole drum]

If you're at Coal, you have the map unlocked (M). Open it up and post your location in #screenshots .

[strange sphinx]

how do I build three conveyor lifts on top of each other so the neatly align with a three stack of belts I need to bring up a floor?

[reef basin]

yes, because there's nothing like "singleplayer world" 😛

[sullen gull]

They will snap on top of each other. then can hold H and nudge

Pg up and Pg dn for up and down.

[sullen gull]

Oh, you said lifts...

Nm

[whole drum]

You will want to extend the bottom belt out a little further than the one above it, and this belt will end up on top of the stack on the next floor.

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=] ] ]

Something like this

[reef basin]

so many smileys

[whole drum]

This would be the 2nd floor. The 1st would be inverse.

[limpid iron]

could I give a suggestion for the satisfactory tools production?

[reef basin]

always can, though just to lower expectations - I'm currently working on new Tools, which are basically rewritten from scratch and hence I'm not really doing any more features for old tools (but the feature suggestion can still make it into new Tools)

[limpid iron]

alright
I know its a skill issue, but having a confirm deletion or just rearranging the buttons so you can't accidentally delete a tab when you just want to collapse/expand

[short fiber]

I moved my base and shot at the bean that was on top of it. It left. Built soemthing else there. He is BACK on top of it. There is no ramp or anything that allows it to get on top of there

It just does it. Why

[sullen gull]

Like this? #screenshots message

[short fiber]

Am i cursed with this bean

[whole drum]

They sorta just spawn wherever

Prioritizing belts it seems

[short fiber]

Ah. So I should just treat him like a decoration then?

[lapis shadow]

What happens if you scan another hard drive after you've already unlocked all your available recipes? Like if you just started the game and you don't even have the ability to unlock most of the mid/end game recipes then you would easily be able to get enough hard drives to unlock all your possible recipes. Does the game stop you from scanning? Or does it just allow you to then unlock those mid/end game recipes where it previously wasn't possible?

[sullen gull]

Unless you want to bomb them and have ADA scold you 😏

[whole drum]

Pop him with the rebar once to see if he'll dislodge himself. If not, whack him withthe basher until he moves or goes down.

[limpid iron]

game stops you from scanning when theres no new rewards

[fluid crow]

boombox if that doesn't work, pipe bombs

[strange sphinx]

yeah basically but how did you get the lifts so tight together. I futzed around with foundations to get things kinda in place #screenshots but it doesn't look clean

[short fiber]

I did. Man. Keeps. Coming back. I swear it knows it's sorta funny too

[sullen gull]

Sec, let me make sure it's possible in vanilla before I post the vid

[fluid crow]

boombox really scares the crap outa it. I got all kinds of problems with those things

I'm just tryen to run a factory you know

[short fiber]

Maybe it will fear the gilded nut

[fluid crow]

It better

I blew one up earlier and they haven't been back

and sometimes I see them trying to drink all the water for my coal plant

[strange sphinx]

oh that's actually way better, thank you 👍

[lofty phoenix]

any new update lately?

do really hope they have new ideas when their vacation is over

[acoustic portal]

I've 100% the game and got maximum efficiency with fully build factories and no waste at all so what should i do now? Haven't played since last august

[cobalt wadi]

Boys I have a question, in the early game with nodes really far appart, do yo preffer, A. Build manufacturing around the miner and belt finished product where its needed. or B. Belt ore back to a central location?

[versed palm]

Is this reasonable for Earlygame?
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=IYjzQOTlOxFEsBdJRxdS

i first wanted to do 30ipm but thats kinda insane

[sinful reef]

good morning, over the last couple of days I've been playing with my friend and whoever is the client crashes out after a few minutes does anyone else have this issue or know what is causing it please?

[sullen gull]

If on PC, check %localappdata%\FactoryGame\Saved\Crashes. Find the latest folder, Then FactoryGame.log, and scroll to the bottom to find crash reason.

[cobalt wadi]

So nether is more efficient than the other?

[dim spoke]

heavy frame factory go crazy

[sinful reef]

]LogAkAudio: Error: Failed to post invalid AkAudioEvent on Room component 'AkSpatialAudioVolume_0'

that is the last line in the report

[fading whale]

Not really. Efficiency only applies to the machines getting enough resources, and offloading the product fast enough.
Normally, it makes sense to build closest to the nodes you use most.
So if you are producing tons of plates and frames, build close to iron nodes and belt/transport in concrete and steel.
If you are building tons of copper sheets and wire, build close to copper ore and belt in caterium.

[cobalt wadi]

ikr thx for validating me, tried coop for the first time a bit ago and this guy just deletes my smelters near the miner cause its inefficient. 💀

[dense violet]

also define 'efficient' in this case?

it uses the same resources per min no matter where you're building it

people often throw that word around w/o any meaning behind it

'more convenient' might be more efficient in how it manages how you build thigns and the time involved?

but even then, we don't know which is more convenient for you

[fading whale]

I build a lot of shit that could be considered inefficient by other's standards.
But it looks cool and I like it. So I do it.
Your preferred playstyle is more important than what others call efficient.

[reef basin]

Tools had that previously, but people complained about it so it was removed 🤔

[eager harbor]

I love u all pookies

[unkempt blade]

Efficiency: using as many carts as your computer will support

[eager harbor]

What are carts even for 😭

[cobalt wadi]

yeah

[unkempt blade]

doing awesome tricks and moving items

[eager harbor]

I’ve found a good friend

[eager harbor]

Tricks?

[unkempt blade]

yeah I just did an awesome quad backflip taking them off a sick jump pad

[sterile blade]

There's party tricks and then there's carty tricks

[eager harbor]

Bruh

[unkempt blade]

and the best part is I can record that as part a of a delivery route and my carts will keep doing it every time they go past

[eager harbor]

😂 fr?

[sterile blade]

Or at least attempt to

[cobalt wadi]

I have never met someone soo "my way or the highway" before, he had to have everything how he wanted, it did not last long. It did kind of tilt me as he kept screeching about "Efficiency" and how i wanted to do it was inefficient.

[eager harbor]

Huh???

I love u gang as a friend trust

[fading whale]

That's why we need for rocket fuel to make vehicles go faster, so we can do the same tricks with trucks and tractors.

[hallow flicker]

Abuse is just using your abs

[dim spoke]

what do i do with alien power augmenters

[unkempt blade]

🎶 some daaay you'll see things my waaay 🎶

[versed palm]

Me when i dont see 100% Efficiency in my Machines

https://tenor.com/view/whine-give-up-pout-frustrated-gif-5313242348381105216

[sterile blade]

Max got ripped playing thins game

[fading whale]

Augment your aliens. Obviously. 🥸
It's a supplement to your power grid. It will produce a bit of power from nothing and it will boost your current power production by a percentage

[odd ibex]

Whats the best location at tiers 3 & 4?

[reef basin]

any

[hallow flicker]

Yes

[odd ibex]

really any?

[reef basin]

honestly, at that point you shouldn't have a single location anyway, but rather start thinking about expanding to other biomes

[reef basin]

I mean... it's impossible to answer, since everyone does different things in T3+4 and everyone uses different sets of recipes and has different goals

[odd ibex]

ohh ok

[fading whale]

Ideally inside the world border.

[odd ibex]

Coal is the thing im thinking abt

[odd ibex]

🙏

[reef basin]

better to think about "location for given factory", rather than "location for whole game"

so e.g. if you're planning to make motors, you calculate how much ore you need for the production you want, then find location that has those ores, then build there, then repeat for any other item

[odd ibex]

ohh ok ty

[unkempt blade]

there's a huge hole in the middle of the map that goes down into the abyss and that's the best spot on the map

[odd ibex]

oh ok ty

[fading whale]

Today?

[reef basin]

(and also, my recommendation for the whole game is to not ask others how to play, but rather play on your own and explore what the game gives you. You'll learn way more than if you just "blindly copy" whatever other people say)

[odd ibex]

oh

[reef basin]

there's not really a wrong way to play

[odd ibex]

ok imma just do what I think is the best for me and hte most fun

[fading whale]

THAT is the right answer.

[odd ibex]

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