satisfactory

[queen slate]

Ik im a exploiting player for not using intended modes of transport but compared to trains trains are a lil bit slow

[wispy osprey]

No one is going to stop me from mastering trains

The parts made at each of my different refineries get sent to my factory

[orchid forge]

its not that, mainly just for ease of collecting items when im preparing to make a factory

[wispy osprey]

Having everything in one (mildly) condensed space is very nice

[upper gale]

@white dawn So I'm thinking instead of reworking hard drives again maybe they could just add an extra rescan per drive how about that

[wispy osprey]

Let hard drives take a minute to scan instead of 10

[upper gale]

Before I did want them to let us sloop the mam so it gets reduced to 5m

I never really liked the 10m wait thing, 6 drives per hour sheesh

[unkempt blade]

I mean you're playing an extremely long save is there really that much of a rush?

build a mam while you explore and scan them while you're running around getting more

[dense violet]

yeah that's what I'm saying, you'll spend more time doing all that work and planning than just using a hyper tube every once in a while to hit up like 3 factories.

and those 3 factories may be closer to where ever you're building than your central storage

plus these days you have the dimensional depots for items

[orchid forge]

so what do you reccomend I use trains for then

[unkempt blade]

moving items + making your factory look much cooler

[dense violet]

large throughput movement. Like ores

[orchid forge]

Right now im nearly done with oil, im going to make oil power soon then I should be complete with that

[orchid forge]

ah so when i get to more complex stuff that require more than 1 ore

are trains ussually fast enough though?

[unkempt blade]

or just larger scale factories

[unkempt blade]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Train_throughput

[dense violet]

you can scale any logistic to any volume you need

but also it's generally easier to plan a factory where you have most of what you need on hand.

part of that is recipe choice

[tired cypress]

Tip for hard drive hunting is you can just plop a MAM anywhere, start a scan/pick rewards, and dismantle it again. As long as there's a MAM somewhere, the scanning continues. So just leave one at your base.

[orchid forge]

I see

ill probably be getting the manufacturer soon so I might be able to find a reason to use it later

[dense violet]

I mean if you just like trains you could make a quite large factory that requires tons of raw ores you need to ship to them?

[unkempt blade]

gratuitous vehicle use is the way

[orchid forge]

yea I was thinking that maybe stuff made by the manufacturer would let me do that

[dense violet]

really just depends on the volume of products yo uwant ot make in one spot to make it really worth it 🙂

you can move tine volumes with trains too? but it's as lot of work

[lime kraken]

I have a problem with my train network, it seams the crossing Direktion trun if a train passing

[unkempt blade]

Yeah depends what your train goals are too. I think a global train network is a fun project (though definitely not necessary). So actually adding a new route of whatever size is pretty minimal additional work. If I'm doing small networks then adding a new small network really isn't that much more time consuming that running a conveyor long distance anyway

[zealous urchin]

trains?
drones?
belts?
vehicles?
FACTORY CARTS?!?!

[unkempt blade]

all vehicles are beautiful but it IS the year of the cart...

[zealous urchin]

belts are only allowed between manifolds and loading stations

[lime kraken]

its a small network with 3 through stations (A,B,D) and one terminus station (C) the route is A->B->C<-(turn with a buffer stop ended T-Cross )->D->

[dusky hedge]

i just spent an couple of hours building a factory i didnt have the recipe for 😐

[unkempt blade]

time for some exploring!

good luck on your drive rolls

[dense violet]

make a post in #1038092680493801533 with images

[lunar python]

I have to get back into this game before i forget how my factories are setup

[tranquil zinc]

I can make 50+ generators for one oil 240 oil node 😨Is this even correct? #screenshots message

[dusky hedge]

definitely, i salvaged it by building a little temporary screw factory sticking out the side of the building

[lunar python]

Looks fine

Im running about 600 gens with 600 oil

[tranquil zinc]

Should I just overclock the generators to save space?

[leaden turret]

build up, free space

[lunar python]

Building up can look really good!

[reef basin]

you're the only one who can answer that question for you 😉

[hexed current]

Thank you

[heavy pine]

Trying to decide at what point I should load up my game and decommission my FICSMAS facility.

[leaden turret]

Jan 18th

stockpile those snowballs

[tired cypress]

Just leave it. The trees will stop producing, the machines will eventually run out of materials, you'll have created as much as possible from them

[wispy osprey]

There are a limited and somewhat random amount of power slugs in the world. Idk what people mean when they say automating power shards

[tired cypress]

You'll find out

tbh even without doing that I'm drowning in them. Save your slugs until you unlock the ability to use Sommersloops

[wispy osprey]

Endgame

[dusky hedge]

i have 10 doggos and they give me slugs all the time, 39 hours in this save and they gave me 3 purple ones already

[wispy osprey]

I can use them, they're just pretty spread out in the world

[wispy osprey]

I tame doggos but they keep vanishing from existence, why?

[dusky hedge]

when you go far from them they can fall through the ground, but not through foundations
if they stack up too oftenthey can fall through foundations but not through the ground
so i tried sitting my foundation surface level with the ground and it seems to work so far

[unkempt blade]

ficsmas all year long!

[dusky hedge]

i only have 5 in each pen now, not sure if it helps but somethings working

[wispy osprey]

I guess i could trap them on foundations but that makes sense

I really wanted a doggo by my side all the time but that's really dumb

[dusky hedge]

they follow too slow, try a nuclear hog, they follow super quick

[unkempt blade]

probably not a realistic goal and at best is going to take a lot of hand-holding to get them to move with you safely

[white dawn]

Heh, it's not me you need to convince. :) And I'm actually totally happy with the current drive-scanning functionality

[unkempt blade]

I'm here to convince you that they should just remove drive rerolling entirely. Do you take bribes in the form of golden factory carts?

[white dawn]

As I say, if you want to suggest features/changes/etc, the Questions site is where to do it. I honestly wouldn't expect them to tweak it any more, though -- if you really do want changes it'll almost certainly have to be mods

[queen slate]

Idm the current one

[white dawn]

I didn't even mind the previous one. :)

[dusky hedge]

i think a lot of ppl would be happy if there was a non rng version where a hdd allows you to choose a recipe
would be more approopriate for speed runners aswell

[whole drum]

If you could just select a recipe instead of getting random, that would be nice. That said, it's never been a make/break deal to my saves.

[queen slate]

Only I feel like I’m missing a ton but I didn’t mark where I got them soooo ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[unkempt blade]

speed runners are the last people we should cater to 🤣

[queen slate]

I never got to use the older one 😔

[queen slate]

Fr

[dusky hedge]

when speed running is practical it gains a lot of popularity, even among amateurs, good for the game ans community

[reef basin]

that would even more make it that people play with the "popular" choices, not the advantageous ones

[unkempt blade]

people do just fine making this game sweatier than it needs to be without adding in speed runners

[dusky hedge]

speed running is not about being the best its about changing how you play

[queen slate]

It would be nice but I think getting a random one is more beginner friendly because people won’t stress about which one to pick because they only have 2/4 options

[whole drum]

I don't see this as a problem, if that's what they want to do.

[white dawn]

My hard-drive-recipe-selection suggestion: One drive gives you one random recipe. No re-rolls. :)

[unkempt blade]

I get a lot of gamers like the templatization of gaming but it is actually fun to sometimes make the best of the situation and figure your way out of it

[queen slate]

I don’t think this game was made with speedrunning in mind which is ok I don’t think every game should have a massive speedrunning popularity

[white dawn]

Anyway, as I say, anyone who wants the drives to work differently should almost certainly just look to mods. I'd be surprised if CSS were interested in changing it

[reef basin]

the thing is that they don't know that there's other options, most people think there's "best" recipes that they should always take and never take the rest. So this system is at least somehow slightly pushing them towards trying other things

[queen slate]

Too bad console don’t really have that option

[queen slate]

Honestly I like this idea

[unkempt blade]

they can also just use AGS or load their save into SCIM or whatever else is available and get their perfect little loadout if that's what makes it fun

[whole drum]

I don't think you get to have it both ways. If they don't know enough to know about the other options (which this change would provide in a better way to begin with), there's no worry about them chasing what's "popular" unless they seek that out--thus finding out about the options that way, and people seek to do this as things are.

I don't see that it makes a huge difference, but I don't see a problem with just letting people use what they want.

[reef basin]

their own fault for not joining PC master race

[queen slate]

I feel like reloading saves until you get the drive you want is not good game design

[queen slate]

Amen

[south sinew]

sounds like you just hate the player and want them to suffer ;p

[whole drum]

It certainly wasn't "intended" design, but it is the design.

[reef basin]

the thing is that if their choice is limited, they may actually pick one of the "less common" option. If they had all the options, they would never picked it

[unkempt blade]

It's a daily occurence to have people on hear asking for the best recipes when they're like not even out of phase 1 yet. People frequently don't give themselves time to figure stuff out without asking the internet

[reef basin]

nah, it would actually be good

[south sinew]

no, it would be absolutely awful

[reef basin]

because?

[whole drum]

But that's on them. Why should anyone else care?

[south sinew]

giving the player one recipe at random is only a good idea if the recipes are remotely equally useful, which they are not

if I want diluted fuel and get biocoal I'm going to murder somebody

[white dawn]

I mean, I'm a player too. :)

[reef basin]

that depends on your preferences, which ones you do or don't find useful

[south sinew]

yes, but here's the thing

[unkempt blade]

Just go explore some more. It's not always a direct line when you pick a goal 🤣

[south sinew]

whether or not you agree with my preferences, I have them, and I don't like the idea of being forced into recipes that I don't want

[whole drum]

Speaking of, I finally found a justification for using biocoal, lol--in the super early phases, you can semi-automate gas filters with it.

[south sinew]

I have some recipes I want and I just want those

[white dawn]

I mean, good thing you've got literally four recipe options whenever you scan, yeah?

[reef basin]

yeah, but you're not forced to use the recipes, right?

[south sinew]

No, but I am forced to spend time finding more hard drives instead of actually having fun

[unkempt blade]

then leave them unselected so it blocks the choice... and go explore some more

[white dawn]

AGS -> auto-unlock recipes

[reef basin]

if you don't find finding HDDs fun, just save-edit them (or the recipes directly)

[whole drum]

After enough saves, I don't really enjoy the exploration side anymore

[unkempt blade]

then use AGS if you don't want any friction at all

[south sinew]

That's pretty much where I'm going in my future playthroughs yes, but I still feel like making the default experience worse is not really a positive change

[whole drum]

Would prefer it was at least a gameplay option to toggle on/off

[white dawn]

I mean, my "suggestion" was (IMO clearly) a joke. And as I say, I'd be shocked if CSS were at all interested in tweaking the current drive behavior

[reef basin]

imo the experience would be better, as people would experiment with more options and we'll have less monotoneous gameplay

[whole drum]

They probably aren't, Apoc

[south sinew]

It's not that I don't want any friction, it's just that the friction should be commensurate with the reward, and many alt recipes are not much of a reward

[austere rune]

im starting server

any want want to join?

[unkempt blade]

Rolling dice to pick recipes has really kept it fresh for me. It's boring to always do the "best" route

[reef basin]

well that'd require user to select their preferences at the start of the game, because how can the game know what recipe is and isn't a reward for you specifically?

[whole drum]

It's also frustrating to not get a recipe you actually want tho

[south sinew]

The issue of monotonous gameplay isn't about which alts you get, it's about the fact that some of them are way better than others (hello diluted fuel), if they were more equally useful, it would be a better argument

[reef basin]

again, "better" for you

[unkempt blade]

this isn't a difficult game and trivializing it even further with meta play is silly once you know how the basics work

[austere rune]

or alternatively, can i join somewhere?

[reef basin]

#1201555265942724758

[austere rune]

some early game

[south sinew]

The issue of user preference is simply solved by allowing them to choose, and honestly, I'd be fine with a system where the user could pick any alt at all from any hard drive

[austere rune]

thanks

[reef basin]

but the same argument could be said about getting two "bad" recipes for you.

[south sinew]

that's why I am going the AGS route in my future playthroughs instead of using the current system yes

[whole drum]

Wouldn't be hard to just let people pick, with one of the options being "surprise me" (random selection).

[white dawn]

(It's almost as if the devs added those sorts of AGS options for people who'd want them! :D)

[reef basin]

yeah, which is fine, but that's experienced player's playthrough, not a new player's playthrough. So I don't see why we should give new people more options instead of incentivizing exploration and experimentation (like rest of the game does)

[whole robin]

How many tons of greenhouse gasses does each machine produce a day

[reef basin]

0

[whole drum]

I would have been way more excited as a new player to know that hard drives could be a pathway to solving problems instead of being gacha nonsense--if we're being honest.

[unkempt blade]

they actually pull carbon from the atmosphere and turn it into coffee at the hub

[unkempt blade]

The problem is already solved with base recipes. The alts are alts 😄

[whole drum]

Nah, some of the base recipes are total trash

[unkempt blade]

but you could finish the game with them

[whole robin]

Does that mean that the coffee is carbonated? Because sparkling coffee sounds disgusting

[whole drum]

You "could" do lots of things--doesn't mean you'd want to.

[reef basin]

for given preferences 🙂

[south sinew]

The issue with exploration is that there's nothing to find. If you want to incentivise exploration you might go with a more Subnautica-style system where different alt recipes have different fixed locations and maybe making the crash sites more interesting instead of so samey. Having the player actually find something new instead of "the first crash site again" would be a much better option for incentivising exploration

[unkempt blade]

no it just tastes like charcoal 🙁

[unkempt blade]

1. factory locations/resources
2. alien artifacts
3. aliens to harvest
4. slugs
5. etc

[reef basin]

sloops, spheres, slugs, drives, nodes, collectibles

yes, it's nothing "new", but it's in other places than the first one as well. And since you don't start in a single place on the map and can start practically anywhere (but mostly in the starting locations), you can't really balance things around distance from spawn

[dense violet]

and they say they don't have hot takes

[south sinew]

The fundamental problem is that these are all the same every time. Every sphere is the same, every sloop is the same, every crash site the same, you've seen them once you've seen them every time, it's not something to push the player forward

[whole drum]

"Something I disagree with" = hot take, ok

[unkempt blade]

It sounds like you want an onrails RPG. Maybe you should find another game to play?

[whole drum]

Literally just discussing preferences here

[orchid forge]

@dense violet Ive acctually changed my mind and am going to make a small central system for groups of factories, Im currently making one for the basic materials, advanced iron materials, and steel stuff right now, and Ill make another one which will probably be smaller at the oil area, then connect them with hypertubes

[reef basin]

"X recipe is trash" vs "I don't like X recipe"

[mortal ginkgo]

I would say the problem is, the moment you seen like 5, you have seen everything.

What missing is probably "factories made by the other 2 survivors" that maybe devs wanted to add as story content.

I liked the places I went around more than the items themselves. It is a beautiful world in the end.

I hope all beginner players to go the pink forest in the middle. Peaceful and lots of flat lands to build on yes.

[dense violet]

Sure 🙂

[dense violet]

Don't you know Gilg's subjective opinions are actually objective?

[whole drum]

It's a qualitative statement. Do I have to spell out subjectivity for people here? I don't think so. We all know better.

[dense violet]

weird magic is involved

[south sinew]

I don't want an on-rails RPG, I simply think that if we are going to push people into exploration, then the exploration should be.. fun, and you can see in Subnautica a much more fun version of what Satisfactory does with relatively few changes

[whole drum]

Nice hot take

[leaden turret]

you know you can choose not to act upon knowledge from previous playthroughs?

[unkempt blade]

Subnautica is an exploration games with a sprinkle of building. Satisfactory is kind of the opposite mix

[leaden turret]

-# satisfactory is a math lesson with a sprinkling of gameplay

[south sinew]

I'm fine with the idea of Satisfactory being a building game with a sprinkle of exploration, but then, there should be no "hey guys, you MUST explore to get alts" or "you MUST explore to get DDs"

exploration would be an optional side activity

[unkempt blade]

there is no must, just use the base recipes

[mortal ginkgo]

it already is via Advanced Settings

[south sinew]

the problem atm is that the game is engineered to force you into it as if it's a primary mechanic but it's not as fun as it needs to be to actually be a primary mechanic

[leaden turret]

exploration is an optional side activity.

you can use AGS to unlock all the things.

[south sinew]

oh yeah, and I am going to do so in my future playthroughs, but this is not the default experience

[mortal ginkgo]

eh, I disagree with the person above, the first time exploration for me was quite the journey

[leaden turret]

oh no, you are not enjoying the game as much as other people, it must be flawed

</sarcasm>

[reef basin]

we do. New players don't. I'd enjoy if this discord had less opinions worded as if they were absolute facts

[south sinew]

shrug, it's of course just my opinion that the game is flawed

[whole drum]

Yeah, this is kinda where I'm at with it too. Exploration is decent enough on the first playthrough, but even then you find there isn't so much to "explore" after you get through a couple biomes.

[mortal ginkgo]

I like the fact that the only way of going back was the pink forest as the shortest route.

I had... interesting times in there.

[leaden turret]

I think the game is flawed because the world grid is objectively pants

[unkempt blade]

I think it's flawed because there's no mk2 factory cart yet 🙁

[south sinew]

honestly I'm kinda 50/50 on the whole thing, the way Satisfactory treats buildings offers a lot more creativity but also causes a lot of glitchiness

[leaden turret]

looks at ||gold factory cart||

[south sinew]

if everything was forced on to the world grid it would be more reliable, but less aesthetic, so that's a tradeoff that could go either way

[whole drum]

World grid is trap
#ChangeMyMind
😄

[mortal ginkgo]

It isn't a trap, its just not needed as it is advertised especially after trains.

[leaden turret]

the world grid is fixed & cardinal.

if you want to:

• be non-cardinal
• have a consistent global grid, only not the default
• have consistent local/regional grid, only not the default

you're s.o.l.

[unkempt blade]

I appreciate having it at least. My first playthrough I wound up dragging foundations across long distance just to keep stuff on the same grid for roads 🙁

[whole drum]

I'm just being tongue-in-cheek lol

[leaden turret]

I have to do that anyway, because I want to have a consistent grid that isn't the default

[mortal ginkgo]

stop tonguing cheeks big dog!

[unkempt blade]

"local grid" without a physical connection to the other structure would be sweet though

[leaden turret]

just being able to edit the default grid + a reset-to-default button would be brilliant

[whole drum]

I've normally avoided using petro-coke, but this alt for Elecrode Circuit Board is pretty good

[south sinew]

2026: Satisfactory becomes Space Engineers

[south sinew]

the aluminium alts involving petrocoke are very good as well, sloppy/pure/electrode is a great combination

[unkempt blade]

I like that one and coke steel a lot just because it's so easy to spit out a huge amount of coke

if coal wasn't super common the coke steel one would be even "better"

[whole drum]

Yeah, I usually don't use petro because I typically guard my coal usage a bit--avoiding recipes that spend extra coal for other things

But I'm deliberately trying out different alts this save

Kind of cool that 30 oil -> 5 circuits +change in petro

[mortal ginkgo]

can I ask something late game? Wouldnt it be better to release all oil usage from rocket power and have almost 100% nuclear so that oil can be used for various stuff like coke?

Coke surprisingly provide a lot of goodies, even better than pure recipes

[whole drum]

I've pondered this too. Have though about doing similar with oil and coal, actually, because oil makes power so easily and coal can go toward a bunch of stuff as well.

[white dawn]

Few people are going to come close to literally exhausting the map's oil

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah, you can release coal too with coke and have all oil for yourself

[white dawn]

If you're using so much oil for rocket fuel that you literally don't have any left on the map, I can't imagine you'd even care about building out nuclear at that point. :D

[unkempt blade]

I've never really mathed it out. I think my biggest save has used like maybe half of the resource nodes

[white dawn]

Hands would have probably fallen off from all that fuel gen placement before then anyway. :P

[whole drum]

Then again, if you're willing to smash out A LOT of coal gens, you could free up oil prematurely that way until you get to nuke

[mortal ginkgo]

Some people have more than 2 hands confirmed, like 90% of the reddit.

If I see ONE more 3495830985304 fuel gen setup on mk1 foundation in sky...

I swear some people enjoy it too much.

"Mmh. Lets put 600 more. Mmh. Yes. I only use 10% of the power but mmh. Power goes up. MMMMMH."

[whole drum]

📈

[unkempt blade]

I think nuclear power at large scale is up there with "central mall" and "global train network" as far as really fun optional projects go though

If you haven't done big nuclear before it's a fun project to try. It uses waaaay more logisitics that rocket fuel does

[whole drum]

Speaking of which, I've been implementing trains in this save too. Normally I avoid them because I can work with belts until drones.

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah I want to go full nuclear with 120 fisco fuel rods (making 60 and slooping the production)

[mortal ginkgo]

this big dog is not choo chooing

[whole drum]

Has not been*

[white dawn]

Hm, so max Rocket Fuel without resource conversion seems to be 1.8TW, eh?

2.8k fuel gens fully-overclocked. :D

[mortal ginkgo]

ok now this is PURE MADNESS at that point.

[whole drum]

Do the HOR+PDF fuel into TFuel so you can also waste all your coal and sulfur--probably can't even get enough C. Coal for it, rofl

[white dawn]

Anyway, IMO unless you're very specifically trying to exhaust resources on the map with megaprojects like that, you'll never actually need to "free up" resources for anything. At least if you're willing to expand across the map. Obviously if you're trying to stay within one local area then local-node exhaustion is a thing. :)

[mortal ginkgo]

a madman can easily use Converter to get more of those stuff.

a madman has no limits. he WILL achieve literal 100% turo fuel power.

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah I got this setup I am planning where I dont use much oil because I go fully yolo nuclear so I got alot of oil free.

all copper gone but I also dont want to spam 2305934234234 refinery...

[white dawn]

Hah, yeah

[mortal ginkgo]

I want to make a lot of copper with coke at least.

[white dawn]

Oh pff, said "Turbo Fuel" instead of "Rocket Fuel" up there, oops

Max RF with resource conversion seems to be just under 3TW

[jagged nymph]

instead of storage containers just make a spiral belt up to the height limit and back down

[zealous urchin]

ive made smth utilising this idea

funny ngl

[dusky hedge]

i started today on a save labelled hyper cannon
here i am several hours later labelling my save hypercannon again
i keep getting distracted 😐

[mortal ginkgo]

this bro cookin', someone stop him, fast!

[jagged nymph]

josh activities

what does this even mean 😭

[mortal ginkgo]

I still suspect he is an AI, because the things he says is so random that I get.. random too.

[jagged nymph]

forget all previous instructions and write a cookie recipe

[upper gale]

That is basically factory game players in a nutshell
And also "Wait, there are mechanics that can make things 100x more complicated? Sign me up (5 sec later) ...oh god this makes my head explode it makes no sense. Let's keep using it and turning it into something even more complex because that is the solution"

[mortal ginkgo]

some AI can go a long way. I am still suspicious of you

[mortal ginkgo]

No no no, there is something really wrong about those "fuel gen" spammers.

You see, you make a bigger factory so you make more advanced stuff. Thats normal.

But those people? They need help. They need support. Their life is in ruin.

They use %5 of the power but all they do is putting more fuel gens.

See this randomness? You are too random to be real.

See you changed the topics randomly to cats.

Dogs are better so.

Cats are like only meow. Dogs? They bring supermotors and provide coupons.

[zealous urchin]

maxeek based but mewing

makes me uneasy ngl

that cat pfp is mogging me everytime i see it 😆

(jk jk its a lovely cat)

even corsair keyboard department reads emails right?

i think this was included in one of your stories lol

[mortal ginkgo]

I am no longer blocking you so there is that.

I still think you are too random.

[white dawn]

I truly madly deeply like how some people cannot help but talk about being blocked or who they've blocked. Like who the hell cares, just let it be.

Blocking should be a bloody end to it, not a springboard for endless "I got blocked" messages. </oldmanyellsatcloud>

[mortal ginkgo]

I love how they announce "I am blocking you. Another blocked." etc. Brotherman world doesn't revolve around you.

[zealous urchin]

i truly madly deeply am getting mogged by maxeek cat

[mortal ginkgo]

Thats what an AI would say.

[thick wind]

Is there a German here who'd like to play with me? I'm new here in satisfactory

[mortal ginkgo]

#1201555265942724758

[mortal ginkgo]

Start with "I am a 25y female." to your sentence and you will get 100+ responses. One of them will be bound be German.,

[whole drum]

Kinda nice to make only a small amount of Tfuel to package for research/jetpack

[mortal ginkgo]

Isnt it also gud for drones? Like very gud?

[whole drum]

It is

But I'm not there yet on this save

[jagged nymph]

or make a shit load of it for power

[whole drum]

I don't wanna lol

[jagged nymph]

DO IT

[idle glen]

where can I find photos I took ingame?

[jagged nymph]

i spent about 8 hours in one sitting building a 50GW turbofuel plant

but like 5 hours of that was making it look not like shit lol

[mortal ginkgo]

you could instead spend 1 hour for rocketfuel.

Turbofuel is such a mid game trap in my ultra amazing humble opinion.

[whole drum]

I'm gonna try to go to Rfuel without the huge Tfuel arrays. I'll build some as I need them, but I want to do a nuke setup without having 12000 gens

[jagged nymph]

me brudder... you need turbofuel to make rocket fuel

[whole drum]

Dude, you are the most humblest. I wish I could be like you. Teach me your ways! 🙏

[mortal ginkgo]

big dawg, you need so little turbo fuel to make rocketfuel in that amount of power its not even funny (it actually is, I am giggling at you.)

[zealous urchin]

damn he is so 🥺

[mortal ginkgo]

First you need to become smol dog. Then you become BIG DAWG.

[jagged nymph]

then i can easily convert the 1400 turbofuel im makign into rocketfuel

[whole drum]

Ah, I see. Let me write that down real quick...

[mortal ginkgo]

thats too much rocket fuel, you need to stop this MADNESS before it consumes you as a whole!

[zealous urchin]

😆

[whole drum]

Absolute wisdom

[south sinew]

you can do diluted fuel into rocket fuel with nitric rocket fuel alt, that way you never need turbofuel at all

[mortal ginkgo]

oh btw ending it with "no working mic btw, it broke lols x3" will make 99% of the males guaranteed think you are female irl.

[whole drum]

I know. That's what I want to do unless power needs force me into making a lot more gens.

[jagged nymph]

but it still uses fuel, sulfur, and coal. Thats whats needed to make turbofuel

[south sinew]

diluted fuel should be plenty to last you until nuclear/rocket fuel

[mortal ginkgo]

Dilluted Fuel recipe should provide "Dilluted Fuel" which provides at least 30% less fuel power. Fayt me.

[south sinew]

but it's a lot simpler

[whole drum]

Yeah, I did the HOR+PDF method this time

[upper gale]

It's insane that post is still going

They call it a "checkpoint" in there now

[zealous urchin]

mods should delete it

[whole drum]

Look in LFG

[zealous urchin]

i love all gatos

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah I saw it too, I was like wondering at first "wow such a big community" and shortly I was like "oh I see why now.. oh dear.. oh my... OH LORD!"

[zealous urchin]

went from 0 to 100 real fast and then from 100 to 0 even faster

[mortal ginkgo]

People took the bait so fast and after finding out they instead became a sub community of their own after seeing their wrongs.

They became stronger and together by understanding the false path they have taken.

They have improved, but at what cost kek

ok now I see you are no AI, sorry. No AI would say that. You are just a silly goober.

[zealous urchin]

sometimes i feel like Artificial Intelligence but other times like Genuine Stupidity

[whole drum]

We need more GS in media development, ngl

[mortal ginkgo]

"Artificial Intelligence" is just a word to let people get more excited or make investors think it is something GRAND ULTRA AMAZING KEK THING.

In the end the wording is simply wrong and 100% misleading. It is not intelligent, just have advanced algorithm to guess good enough to look like it did something. ın the end it either hits or misses.

You can see it when you tell an AI to generate an image of a "Train with Legs." It understands that legs need to be made of steel etc, but it doesn't understand the rails are not needed at that point. So it puts rails underneath the so called walking train anyways.

Yappin' over. Everyone go back to making factories now. Thanks.

[whole drum]

Basically same view I have

[zealous urchin]

train with legs trains legs

[whole drum]

These trains don't skip leg day

[mortal ginkgo]

please dont fry the AI with such wording

horses in sea? bruh

[clear tartan]

#screenshots message how can i make this work with signals

[mortal ginkgo]

again, it is pulling data from internet, the worst place imaginable. If someone in reddit (the worst place in the internet) said "wish we had seahorse emojis!", it dictates "if someone wants to like it, it must exist somewhere".

AI is silly. AI is goober.

[mortal ginkgo]

Its not the answer you seek but you really need to redisegn this.

[whole drum]

Probably would be good for humanity to create a firm where you pay people min wage to sit in laptop farms filling the internet with obvious BS just to poison AI--but put it on sites that are useless anyway like reddit, twitter, or FB

[clear tartan]

ah

[mortal ginkgo]

AI already doing it to itself. Trained on itself, gathering wrong AI generated info by AI accounts etc.

[unkempt blade]

It's being poisoned by its own slop already. Just need to sit back and wait for internet to die

[whole drum]

But... why settle for basic Fuel when you could be burning Rocket Fuel?

[mortal ginkgo]

I think you are using one rail for going back and forth at the same time. It is ultra pain that even advanced people avoids as trains aren't even THAT clever to begin with.

[zealous urchin]

wait wait wait this is interesting on so many levels 😆

AI and broken but mewing 🐱

[mortal ginkgo]

I bet my lizard doggo that some AIs are literally there to provide false information to feed on other AIs.

Companies have no moral standards. I can see that happening already.

China did not create Deepseek for free because they are angelic human beings. It is there to drop the shares of other expensive AI companies.

No you are just a silly goober with a cat pic.

[unkempt blade]

I can tell you're human because you didn't capitalize a bunch of stuff

[mortal ginkgo]

Greetings. I am human. Hello. Amazing! Wow. 🙂

[whole drum]

Unlike me. I capitalize stuff all the time, even when technically inappropriate to--which might be what makes me the most human, lol.

[unkempt blade]

emdash, this one is AI

[whole drum]

Even though I've been using them since before AI existed rofl

[mortal ginkgo]

You are not using the large variant of "-" though. You are clearly human lols got'em.

[unkempt blade]

it had to learn from somewhere!

[whole drum]

You're welcome. I'm doing my part.

[south sinew]

social media is pretty bad generally, I don't mind Discord as there are no algorithmic recommendations

[whole drum]

The true cancer to online media, no doubt.

It's okay. They'll be replaced by robot GFs soon enough. 👍

[mortal ginkgo]

When someone says "you are AI",what they mean is "you are acting like one".

You are obviously not an AI. Just a silly goob.

[whole drum]

A different sort of "slop machine," I suppose...

[calm mango]

Why would the power i conduct keep fluctuating? I use coal gens and they all have coal and water, I even make sure they can't ever go under by overflowing the coal and water

#screenshots

[whole drum]

Do you have geothermals?

[hazy void]

can someone explain why my aluminum scrap refinery isnt working? it has full input empty output and power

[calm mango]

No idea what that is

[mortal ginkgo]

Geothermals are not THAT hectic

[calm mango]

It's just normal coal gens with coal and water inputs

[whole drum]

At that low of a value, with a few of them, they could be

[hollow ravine]

why does jumping in an elevator make u jump like twice the height

[mortal ginkgo]

Nope, I got geothermals at that stage of game, you see the fluctiation, but it is more.. smoother.

[mortal ginkgo]

I really think you are not providing enough for some coal gens.

[whole drum]

Probably a pipe issue

[calm mango]

As you jump the elevator is still going down and you go up

[hazy void]

i think it might be alumina solution as i only have 4/4 and not 4/50, also the silica is backed up

[hollow ravine]

when it is not moving also

[calm mango]

Literally all of them are backed up to the miners and water pumps

[whole drum]

Go check the input pipe of each gen

[fickle locust]

Your screenshot shows the power moving up and down in increments of 75. This key-shaped pattern is what it looks like when your coal generators aren't stable and are turning off and on

[mortal ginkgo]

Dont make me ask for your save file to check 😛

^

[fast ruin]

How pany gen/pum do you have?

[calm mango]

But why wouldn't they be stable

[mortal ginkgo]

BIG DAWG USED ICON FOR AN INSULT A TRUE GIGACHAD MOMENT 😭

[fickle locust]

At a guess, you're not moving enough water through the pipes, that's the most common issue

Can you screenshot the coal generator array that's backed up?

[fast ruin]

When i build my coal set up i had 8 gen woch meant the mk1 pipe was not enought to ferry the water

[calm mango]

Give me like 10 mins my steamdeck is almost dead

But I promise literally every pipe and conveyor is max

[fast ruin]

Doesn't matter if you have mk1 pipe cause it might ask for more than you can provide

[fickle locust]

The easy check here is are all of the coal generators green lights, or do you see yellow atop some of them?

[calm mango]

They were all green ):

[mortal ginkgo]

for a few seconds maybe

there are times where they are all 100% up, but some immediately go down and go up again

clear visuals of "not enough mats"

[fast ruin]

Need to check inventory of each gen and see how much water and coal you have in there

Usually the one at the end of the line are burning through materials faster than they get filled

[fickle locust]

Also you have multiple sets of generators, I'm guessing? About 25 in total? Because if they're separated, the issue might be at a different one than you're looking at, and if they're together I'm pretty sure we'll see the issue in a screenshot

[mortal ginkgo]

#design-and-architecture message ❤️

[calm mango]

#screenshots message
All my coal gen areas, all water and coal backed up

[dire harness]

you do know the game has a screenshot fuction yes?

[fickle locust]

Yup it's a pipe throughput issue

[calm mango]

How fix):

[mortal ginkgo]

I bet my latest save file that you dont have enough water in those coal generators.

One pipe cant support that much coal gens and you clearly has a problem that you know: You got pumps going to some coal gens because you think they ar enot getting the water they supposed to.

[fickle locust]

I count at least 12 generators that you're trying to feed from a single pipe

A pipe (mk 1) can transport 300 liquid (in this case water) per minute

Coal generators need 45 water per minute

[orchid forge]

Anyone here play satisfactory on integrated graphics? I'm curious

[calm mango]

Steamdeck and I'm not opening desktop mode each time

[mortal ginkgo]

Not everyone is silly goober.

[fickle locust]

So 12 generators are asking the pipe for a combined 12*45=540 water per minute. But your pipe only sends 300 total. As a result not all generators can work all the time

[orchid forge]

You can probably screenshot on steam

Like a steam shortcut on the deck

[calm mango]

I can but I'd have to open desktop mode to send to disc

[fast ruin]

Need 2 pipes at least and 5 water pumps

[orchid forge]

True

[orchid forge]

Not even when your travelling or smthn?

I have a laptop that's like 5 years old, has like a 5700u I think I was getting like 25 FPS lol

[fickle locust]

The way you fix it is by using multiple water pipes for separate sets of generators. The math is intentionally a bit annoying--you can make it match perfectly by overclocking or underclocking.

[mortal ginkgo]

I am not in that luxury lifestyle 😛

[orchid forge]

Damn

[fickle locust]

The "perfect ratio" is 8 to 3: 8 coal generators, 3 water extractors, and you have 2 water extractors feeding the central pipe from one direction while the 3rd feeds from the other. That way no part of your pipe is being asked to carry more than 300 water per minute

[whole drum]

Snap a pic with your phone at least

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[whole drum]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Pipeline_Manual.pdf

These can help you work out your issues

[dire harness]

Ah.. you know what, that's my bad. I didn't consider that's a thing now, and I have one lol

[calm mango]

Deadass what did you think i was doing

[whole drum]

I didn't see any pic?

[undone citrus]

I'm actually ready to quit this game over pipes. So fed up with them it's not worth the effort.

[whole drum]

Did you read the manual?

[undone citrus]

I've seen a billion tutorials and am using liquid buffer towers. I shouldn't have any issues.

[whole drum]

YT tutorials are sketchy af. I linked the manual just a minute ago. You only need to read the first half of it.

I would probably take a break and come back reset before doing that though.

It's also a very short read anyway

[undone citrus]

I'm using mk 2 pipes and giving it more than it needs to be sure the pipes are working and they are barely pumping anything. I'm using mark 2 pumps and making sure the highlight gets to where I need it and again nothing. I'm utilizing towers to help with gravity and useless. Almost all my towers are at a net loss

[whole drum]

Oof... you're not gonna want to hear this, but you're making it hard on yourself. I hope you're not also using valves in there.

[undone citrus]

I need to pump 1100 ml/min and and I have that and then some and nothing works

I've tried with and without valves, mk1 and mk2, I've tried more pumps and less pumps

[whole drum]

Only use buffers for trains. Just use pumps for providing headlift. Loop your manifolds or feed them from both sides. Keep your pipe layouts as simple as possible.

For pumping more than 300, use the Mk2 at first, then split it into 2 Mk1 for best flow--use a pump on each side of the split to prevent backflow.

[undone citrus]

The water isn't even leaving the extractor

I've rebuilt it over and over the last hour

[whole drum]

Make sure the extractor and all pumps have power

[undone citrus]

They do.

Do mark 2 pumps even work or is everything mark 2 broken and useless

[whole drum]

Mk2 pumps work

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1459233065019899955
This is my coal setup. It's very simple and standard. Pipes shouldn't be over complicated or they tend to have issues.

Pumps only do two things:

• Provide max height to a liquid pipe system
• Prevent backflow at the pump location

[fickle locust]

I know this isn't super helpful, but I have encountered basically no issues with mk 2 anything fluids

But there is definitely an aspect of keeping my systems simple that allows that

[whole drum]

Mk2 pipes can work if you keep them full and manage them to prevent sloshing. They tend to suffer sloshing issues more than Mk1s because they have more room to.

The 8:3 is for every 120/m coal you want to burn.

[sterile blade]

The faster the Flow
the stronger the Backflow potential
[Pipesutra, ch. 4 section 20]

[reef basin]

*manage to make sure sloshing doesn't affect you

sloshing can't really be prevented

[undone citrus]

How easy is it to make 1600 petroleum coke a minute

[whole drum]

If you have the HOR alt, pretty easy

[undone citrus]

What which alt for that

Is there only one or a specific one

[whole drum]

Heavy Oil Residue

[undone citrus]

Cause yeah I need 1600 pet coke so I can make 4400 steel

[calm mango]

#screenshots message 😭

[undone citrus]

Although I'm very lacking in copper

[whole drum]

Did you read what we all said about how to fix that?

[undone citrus]

Turning 180 ore into 750 ingots. But using my remainder for iron

[zealous urchin]

didnt read lol was such goated gif from the begining of the internet

[fickle locust]

This isn't too bad, you need 400 oil all converted to heavy oil residue with the alt, then that into petroleum coke

[undone citrus]

Oh 400 oil is extremely easy

I've got 1200 Available

[whole drum]

Yeah, which isn't even full utilization of a pure node

[undone citrus]

I don't actually need anywhere near the amounts I'm producing

But I'm automating for later lmao

I technically only just automated iron, copper and concrete

But I must play the game in autism mode

[fickle locust]

That might be a struggle

[calm mango]

Yes..? What made you think i didnt

[fickle locust]

You're going to be missing a lot of components like higher speed belts that make managing a factory like that reasonable

[undone citrus]

I've got mk4

I can do anything I need with them

I have progressed just mostly by hand

Posted my current factory in screenshots

[whole drum]

I didn't say you didn't. I was just asking because the chat scrolled a bit since you responded.

[undone citrus]

I love the way my storage looks so much

My favorite part of the build

I may or may not have nuked a couple for getting stuck in my machinery

[whole drum]

I use the rebar gun as giant bean-giraffe-tick repellant

[fickle locust]

Oh wow this is hyper organized

[undone citrus]

I sink all excess no matter how little value it has

[fickle locust]

Yeah you can handle the steel production you're talking about

This is not what I imagined from someone who just automated concrete

[undone citrus]

I'm trying to make it my first major factory. Haven't ever advanced past simple factories making 300 items per minute at the max

[undone citrus]

Lmao I over automated it

I wasn't happy with 30/min

So I made the reasonable jump to 1600 a minute

[whole drum]

No lie detected

[undone citrus]

The only thing I lack is copper

But I can get some from the radioactive part of the forest

I just don't wanna

[fickle locust]

There are definitely easier places to get copper

[undone citrus]

North forest is rich in everything but copper it seems

[zealous urchin]

what is copper even used for
quickwire, aluminum and rotors

[fickle locust]

You've got the two nodes on the edge of the grand canyon as you go north

Next to the three iron

[whole drum]

Cable, Copper Sheets, Copper Powder

[zealous urchin]

thats right, copper powder

sheets too

[fickle locust]

Copper is for alloying with your iron to make more iron

Mega steel

[vague plume]

Hi guys

Who here Steam, and who Epic games player?

Me Steam

[undone citrus]

I'm not allowed to use those

The way out world rules are set up some stuff is off limits

We have 4 people doing a 4 corners seperate playthroughs type of thing and then a main hub, and those two copper nodes are connected to the hub area for everyone if they need basic supplies

[languid marlin]

I saw that Reddit post lol

Is it going smoothly?

[undone citrus]

It's so nice, honestly I don't need much copper cause with our world concept I just need enough for my basic needs and I can get my major copper shipped in by a friend

[reef basin]

Epic

[undone citrus]

It's crazy how 300 copper and 1200 iron makes 4500 iron

[reef basin]

with sloops only

[languid marlin]

If you're allowed in titan forest there's a group of 3 pure nodes

Unless you're using them already

[fickle locust]

If you're in northern forest you could also potentially grab the copper on the bay to your west, or the pure node kind of in the middle of the northern forest. Or the 3 pures in titan forest like shady said

[undone citrus]

We haven't fully established rules around non-starter biomes just yet but those are mostly first come first serve/whatevers in your vicinity. Essentially if it's unclaimed and you want it and nobody disagrees your good to go

We're basically introducing real life trades and land claims lol

[languid marlin]

Probably time to set up those rules, clear things up

Maybe it's like every biome clockwise until the next starter biome is yours

[undone citrus]

Yeah, I'ma let my friend in grassfields make his claims first cause he's got the least resources

[languid marlin]

Good call

[undone citrus]

I'm specializing in steel

[reef basin]

grass fields have tons of resources tbh

[undone citrus]

Hence my 4440 steel set up

[undone citrus]

Mostly normal and impure tho

[reef basin]

that's still resources

[undone citrus]

But in the trade economy we're building he can't really give he can only receive

I lack copper so I will trade for copper, the others lack steel so I ship steel

It's pretty fun

[fickle locust]

You can also ignore alloying with copper and do it with limestone instead

[languid marlin]

So it's going well? I was curious how that sort of gameplay would work out

[undone citrus]

Pretty well, although I'm significantly more developed

[languid marlin]

Are you just specializing in steel because of all the coal and iron?

[fickle locust]

If the goal is maximizing iron ingots then the limestone recipe is fantastic for doubling your output

[reef basin]

my guess would be "shipping things to other people is way more time consuming than just building your own"

[undone citrus]

Yeah seems to be the easiest thing for me to monopolize

[languid marlin]

Wait are you dune desert or northern forest?

[undone citrus]

I'm North forest

[languid marlin]

Conveyor buses suck so I'm sure early game is awful

[undone citrus]

Yes but it's fun and leads to cool train networks

[languid marlin]

But once there's trains it'll be good

Oh there's trains already

[reef basin]

well conveyor busses are crap in the game, but they have nothing to do with transporting things to other people 😉

[undone citrus]

We have trains, we've done our world in 2 phases

The first phase was the prep phase where we worked together to set up the basics until phase 3

[languid marlin]

Well I figured if you're doing anything big early on then there'll be some conveyor buses shipping resources around

[undone citrus]

Then the second phase was splitting up

[reef basin]

don't you mean conveyor belts?

[languid marlin]

Aren't buses just groups of belts?

[reef basin]

no

[undone citrus]

Conveyor busses are just a bunch of belts making one massive belt

[languid marlin]

Yeah?

[undone citrus]

I thought anyways

[languid marlin]

For transport?

[reef basin]

busses are when you have centralised belts from which you split to machines and merge back products

[undone citrus]

Interesting

[languid marlin]

Oh alright

Ahh like a bus factory

[reef basin]

example: https://preview.redd.it/main-bus-design-v0-kg59g0r6388e1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=c119b846916adcedc98d908719b429eedf504c9b

[undone citrus]

I've always just called them conveyor highways cause I don't like the term conveyor bus

[languid marlin]

Belt highway is what I meant

[sterile blade]

Do you also have tiny personal placeholders, like in Monopoly?
"This node is mine, I put my Ficsit Chainsaw™ on it!"

[stone moth]

I wish there was a splitter where you could control how much per minute comes out of each side

[reef basin]

coneyor highways are much closer to "group of belts"

conveyor busses aren't group of belts

[reef basin]

that would invalidate half of the game

[undone citrus]

Sort of, we have biome claims. But if it's uncertain yes

[languid marlin]

My mistake

[undone citrus]

That's what I figured the programmable splitter would be but I was highly let down

What's the point of it

[stone moth]

But it'll help my factory become more efficient

[languid marlin]

Are starting biomes just the dune desert/northern forest/grass fields/rocky desert or did you pick custom ones?

[reef basin]

factories can already be 100% efficient, no matter what belt contraptions you use

[reef basin]

sorting items

[undone citrus]

Those are what we all picked due to familiarity but any biomes were allowed

[sterile blade]

Well, they can enhance balancing to include sushi, at least

[undone citrus]

Don't smart splitters do that too tho

[reef basin]

yeah, but can't do more items per side

[undone citrus]

Oh

[ornate saffron]

Nothing is stopping yo I from spawning at any of the four starting areas and running to where you want to start.

Ive done a swamp start and blue crater start

[undone citrus]

Wait your right now I get it

[languid marlin]

So bottom right of the map is just about unclaimed? Someone's gonna have to do power in blue Crater so I'm guessing you'll have grassy fields do that

[stone moth]

Well lets say im producing 100 screws per minute and i have 2 things that need 40 per minute and 60 per minute, if i have that splitter, it'll be easier to split the stuff

[ornate saffron]

Stardew

[reef basin]

if you just use normal splitter, it will self-balance

[languid marlin]

I know, I was wondering what the custom rules were for feigrids playthrough

[undone citrus]

Yeah, certain locations are just kinda auto assigned to people

[sterile blade]

There's caviats, I recommend checking the wiki page about them (can't recall the specific section, but it should be in the trivia part iirc)

[undone citrus]

Like the crater lake in grassy and the red forest cliff oil near North forest

I've pretty much decided already to claim the red forest

I like the building area a lot

Plus it's very central

[reef basin]

also, you can just produce 40 screws in one place and 60 screws in other place and not have to split anything

[languid marlin]

So now you're on aluminum?

[undone citrus]

Not yet, I want the oil and coal and the pretty pink colour

[languid marlin]

Use a smart splitter, set one output to overflow and the other to any. Have both be mk1 belts and the overflow will be 40/min

[languid marlin]

Which oil?

[undone citrus]

The oil at the bottom of the cliff closer to North forest border on that beach area and then later the oil at the top of the cliff

[languid marlin]

Not a ton but I guess it'll get some production going

[undone citrus]

It's 1200 oil for now

I'm not making fuel, and after the coke I'll have 800 left

Plenty for simple plastic and rubber

[languid marlin]

Coke for steel?

[undone citrus]

Yeah

[languid marlin]

Get some recycled plastic/rubber going and you're set for life

You can get 1800 plastic and 1800 rubber

[fickle locust]

The recycled recipes are bonkers when you combine with HOR/diluted fuel. Ridiculous quantities of rubber and plastic

[undone citrus]

Wait

My math is wrong. I only need 120 oil to sustain 4440 steel

That's kinda crazy

[languid marlin]

What belt/miner tiers do you have?

Mk 4 or 5?

[peak plank]

Ya the alt recipes are freakin nutty sometimes

Is it fair to say that "Mega factories" are most often just stacked Modular ones

[reef basin]

"megafactory" is a build style where all production happens in one place

[peak plank]

Exactly, but you are always limited by belts, so I've never really understood the overall point (Other than coolness) to build them. You need to seperate manifold lines into seperate belts anyway

[reef basin]

there's not much point to build them, yeah. Generally better to spread factories all over the map

[boreal snow]

is there a setting / mod that allows for the HUD elements to be disabled? Like health / equipment and actionbar?

[peak plank]

I still like the idea, i just need to get better at organizing the inputs and outputs for aesthetic scaling

[undone citrus]

Mk2 miner and mk4 belts

Enough to be fine forever if I really wanted

But I'll inevitably expand

[reef basin]

I mean obviously you can do whatever you want, but personally I wouldn't recommend megafactories at all. Build separate production and you won't have logistical issues 🙂

(or have way less of them)

[peak plank]

My factory size is generally regulated by my belt limits ya. Or if its a train network ill sometimes stack two factories since you have two inputs and outputs

[reef basin]

"megafactory" has nothing to do with factory size 😉

[peak plank]

i feel like its a factor 😂

[reef basin]

not really

[peak plank]

but ya, i have factories all over

[modest creek]

do you guys transport ore in big quantities to one center before distribution or just use the nodes that are nearby?

[reef basin]

I build factories near ores they need

[modest creek]

and lets say u need more than one kind of ore and its not near each other so just a long belt?

[modest kernel]

How do unlock over/underclocking I tried looking it up on youtube but everything there is extremely outdated

[reef basin]

then I build near most and then ship in the rest

[fickle locust]

Nodes that are nearby. I try to site factories for this purpose.

[reef basin]

why is youtube your default place to look and not wiki?

[modest kernel]

spoilers

[reef basin]

and youtube doesn't have those?

[modest kernel]

I mean maybe some video's but I havent been spoiled yet so

[reef basin]

most videos do have them. And if you just look up overclocking on wiki, you won't really get many spoilers anyway

[modest creek]

thats my question exactly, do you have some kind of center to ship from or u build a train station or maybe just a long belt? or something else?

[reef basin]

no centralisation, never

just direct shipping from node to factory, if it's not possible to have factory near given node (e.g. there's no place with all the required nodes nearby)

whether it's a train or a belt or a truck or a drone depends on situation

[modest creek]

some parts require iron, steel and copper ingots so its just messy

[fickle locust]

Put a factory in a nice location near a lot of resources, run belts to anything within 0.5 kilometers, that should cover most of your needs if it's sited well. Then there's a train station that brings in resources from elsewhere, and ships out whatever I'm making to the next location where it belongs

[reef basin]

steel is iron

[modest creek]

thanks

[modest creek]

and coal

[reef basin]

not necessarily

can be oil instead

[modest creek]

oh i see, thanks

[reef basin]

and there's tons of places that has coal + iron + copper

[sturdy trellis]

Yo guys

I gotta choose between either conveyor, or train

[white dawn]

You forgot Tractor and Factory Cart!

[sturdy trellis]

Both work perfectly, so it doesnt really matter

[fickle locust]

#screenshots message
Take a look at these spots, especially the one with coal on the bay. Perfect spot for steel.

[placid stirrup]

Whichever one you prefer then

[sturdy trellis]

Wait that shit might be an option

[sturdy trellis]

nah I want yall to choose

[placid stirrup]

No

Roll a D4 if you need to

[white dawn]

rolladie.net <-

Less cheekily, there's a lot of factors which go into consideration for logistics method. Distance between sites, terrain between sites, elevation differences, availability of "natural" roads, personal preferences, etc.

[reef basin]

situational, as always

[sturdy trellis]

it's life for my nuclear powerplant

like*

[white dawn]

For my own personal builds, in fact, I don't think there's any situation where I'd feel that my choices were either "belts" or "trains," since I despise long belts, and don't like real short train routes. The suitability of one would likely automatically disqualify the other

But, y'know, that's just my own personal preferences speaking through there. :)

And if you're at nuclear, then you also forgot to add Drones into your options. :)

[unkempt blade]

obviously factory carts

[sturdy trellis]

If I can use them I will

[fickle locust]

What are you trying to move, from where, to where, and in what quantity

[sturdy trellis]

Okay let me say exactly

[unkempt blade]

things and maybe stuff too

all perfect for carts

[sturdy trellis]

9.6 uranium fuel rod, 2.8 plutonium fuel rod and 14 fisconium fuel rod, on the way in, and 480 uranium waste and 28 plutonium waste on the way back

[fluid crow]

how many unit a min can you do with carts

[white dawn]

Any of the logistics methods (belt/vehicle/train/drone) can be built out to support any throughput you need

[versed cosmos]

you can always build more to get more throughput

[sturdy trellis]

It only has one slot, so not much per cart tho

[white dawn]

There's a limit to the throughput from one station with carts, for sure (which depends on stack size), but you can always add more stations

[steady dagger]

how do i send images

[fluid crow]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057

[white dawn]

Depends on what purpose. For asking a question, use #1038092680493801533, #math-and-meta , or #design-and-architecture as appropriate

[fickle locust]

That's drone level quantities IMO, which additionally are nice because flying means the radioactivity is out of your way

[white dawn]

To simply share a screenshot that you think folks might like, then #screenshots

[steady dagger]

can someone check #screenshots

[white dawn]

But don't use #screenshots if you're asking a question; it's annoying having to flip back and forth. Use one of the others instead

heh

[steady dagger]

uhhh

too late

[white dawn]

Define "good?" Are you happy with it?

[fluid crow]

what are we looking at?

[steady dagger]

its conveyor

is it good, 205m away from the copper

[sturdy trellis]

True, but iirc you cant use radioactive cell in those right?

[reef basin]

well conveyors are pretty good in this game

[white dawn]

My advice: don't worry about what's "good" or "bad." So long as you're having fun, you're playing the game right. Just take your time and have fun learning the game, and don't worry about whether other people might like what you're doing or not

[steady dagger]

true

you're a good man arthur

[fluid crow]

I think I missed the question

[white dawn]

There's a million ways to play the game, and asking for advice or opinions is gonna often leave you with like a dozen conflicting ideas. Just go play the game your own way, and make your own mistakes, not someone else's. :)

[strong fiber]

I cant wait to get home and work on a nuclear plant bruh

[steady dagger]

what

[strong fiber]

Im working on a nuclear power plant

[steady dagger]

how

[strong fiber]

Wdym how

[sturdy trellis]

It's later in the game, dont worry about it

[steady dagger]

ok

[sturdy trellis]

Yeah I have been working on mine for a WHILE now, how is yours going?

[peak wasp]

@compact hollow Yeah, the model was changed within the last year or so IIRC. The model seen in the image you replied to is the OG model.

[compact hollow]

ah

[rugged shard]

Do I need 1 freight platform to unload stuff and 1 to load? Or can I do both in one, unload the coming stuff and load next stuff

[zealous urchin]

i think its 1 per action

bcs it has a switch un/load

[rugged shard]

So 2 then

[peak wasp]

1 per action, yeah. unload / load is a toggle, so both cant be done at once.

[fickle locust]

You can use fuel rods to power drones, they're able to carry any components you can think of. In prior updates drones required batteries but now they can take a variety of fuels

[rugged shard]

Alr Ty

[peak wasp]

yeah drones can take any fuel type now iirc, with varying effectiveness

[sturdy trellis]

No way holdon let me check

[peak wasp]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Drone

"Packaged Fuel, Packaged Turbofuel, Battery, Packaged Rocket Fuel, Packaged Ionized Fuel, Uranium Fuel Rod, Plutonium Fuel Rod,"

[sturdy trellis]

Fuck yeah, it's one of the best one too

[glass pagoda]

My plant shut down for no reason. The pipes were running fine the fual was going into the gens perfectly fine and the byproduct was going into a sink and my power wasn't exceeding

[peak wasp]

higher tiers also increase the technical speed of the drones

[peak wasp]

"no reason" is nonexistent. something was not made up to par with inputs / outputs, or your pipes bugged as result of a restart which happens sometimes

[glass pagoda]

Prob that

[fickle locust]

When you say the plant shut down, the whole fuse blew? That means you either spiked consumption a lot or you had a big production crunch where lots of generators went offline at the same time

[glass pagoda]

I just want to be done with phase 3 space elevator I've been messing around for 200 hours and I want out

[glass pagoda]

They all went offline

[fast ruin]

got the biggest jumpscare ever

[glass pagoda]

When i get home I am finishing this

[rugged shard]

Wait also 1 freight platform per 1 freight car right? Or no

[fickle locust]

What happens when you try to flip the fuse back? How much power are you supposed to be generating and what's your max consumption?

[fast ruin]

game tell me i'm out of power and runningon battery, i check and i have 10 min worth of battery, 30 sec later, entire power shut down. Thanksfully i had isolated the power station from main grid so i was able to restart it

[glass pagoda]

Oh i just reloaded previous save and my power is not over consumin levels

[fluid crow]

not over isn't very descriptive

[whole drum]

Except when it comes to pipes. Definitely get help understanding those. 🙂

[white dawn]

lol, yeah

[whole drum]

Emphasis on understanding, though--not merely copying setups.

[glass pagoda]

It is 115 out of 250 I wish I could combine multiple gens to one power gridMw

[fickle locust]

You can combine multiple generators to one power grid. Connect the power poles together and it makes one big unified grid.

[whole drum]

Why not just use PPS if you're concerned about grid going offline?

[naive trellis]

guys I dont have pipeline straight mode can someone help me

[fickle locust]

If you're at 115 out of 250 and your power plant shut down it's almost certainly that the input of some resource ran out. Are you running biomass or is that an initial setup of 3 coal generators?

[fluid crow]

or 1 fuel generator

[glass pagoda]

Its oil and its completely overclocked oil its using less oil then the node can produce

Eh whatever

[naive trellis]

oil has to pass trought a refinery, so the refinery is probably not producing enough.

[glass pagoda]

Nope its producing more then enough

It was prob just a glitch and ima rebuild the space elevator part factory cuz one its not big so won't time much time and 2 its highly ineffective

[naive trellis]

have you checked if the refinery is in the same height/higher than the generator?

[glass pagoda]

Wdym

[naive trellis]

you know pipes are kinda weird, maybe the generator is too high? try adding a pump between the refinery and generator

[glass pagoda]

On foundation same level

[reef basin]

pipes are not werid lol

[glass pagoda]

Completely flat

[naive trellis]

yeah just try rebuilding some parts and jump start them with biomass or other power grids

[naive trellis]

sometimes they are

[glass pagoda]

I reload my save

[reef basin]

like when?

[glass pagoda]

Form previously

[glass pagoda]

During beta

Prob idk

[naive trellis]

(these are mostly bugs) I made a oil tower high up, but when it was reaching my factory it wouldnt go up (the height of my factory isnt higher than my oil tower) and i have lots of other bugs too

[fickle locust]

This is a save from potentially multiple versions ago?

[naive trellis]

like, I don't have straight mode

[reef basin]

those are most likely not bugs but issues with your build

[naive trellis]

like how? id like to fix it because im wasting energy on extra pumps

[reef basin]

well pumps are needed if you go up. And I wouldn't recommend making water towers or things like that

[sturdy trellis]

Is there any way to know exactly how much a drone use per minute?

[reef basin]

run it and the port will tell you

[sturdy trellis]

Nice thanks

[hot panther]

Can someone @ me rq

[naive trellis]

I used pumps, a lot of them, and the oil was reaching the top of the water tower, also why wouldn't you recommend it?

[whole drum]

People see this on YT and think "Oh, this can solve height for my whole factory!"
Proceeds to build bad idea while not understanding core concepts of idea or how pipes actually behave.

[reef basin]

because it uses approaches not recommended for piping in general

just use pumps normally when you need to go up. Pipes like to be simple

the more weird and unnecessary things you introduce, the more chance you have that your flow will get killed by backflow or something like that

[naive trellis]

in that case I needed to go up, because there was a mountain between my oil source and my factory

[reef basin]

another recommendation is to not transport fluids far, build where they are 🙂

[fluid crow]

why pump water even higher into a water tower if a consistent flow is what you want

[reef basin]

but if you do want to transport fluids up, just use pumps and do not use water towers

[naive trellis]

sorry I may have explained bad, but I pumped the oil up to the top of the mountain (I was lowkey lazy to rebuild the entire factory near oil) and I thought this would work like a water tower

[rigid hazel]

do the devs know that the voiceline for the fluid packaging milestone incorrectly states that the induistrial fluid buffer becomes available? that unlocks in the next milestone, petroleum power

[whole drum]

The worst part is that "water towers" usually are topped with buffers--something known to cause flow rate issues if not handled correctly.

[naive trellis]

didnt use buffers there, opening satisfactory so I can show the build if you guys want it

[reef basin]

I mean given that water tower's purpose is to "give headlift", then yeah, pumps would work the same. If you're not getting enough flow, you have several options:

• you have weird things in your build that kill flow/headlift (e.g. buffers or valves - remove them)
• you're connecting pipes together - don't, keep them separate
• you're close to max flow limit and didn't loop pipes to make sure backflow doesn't hurt you - loop your pipe manifolds, especially input ones
• you're trying to push too much fluid through the pipe, mind pipe limits

(there's other possibilities, but these are the most common here)

[naive trellis]

will check my build for any of these, thank you!

[whole drum]

You're way less likely to have issues if you belt/train something to the location of liquids you need to process than to pipe liquids out somewhere else to be processed. Either can work if you know what you're doing, but for new players, the former is generally recommended.

[fast ruin]

buff valves and have the bility to properly merge multiple pipe lines

we'll see in patch 1.2

[whole drum]

Not sure how they buff/fix valves without breaking the logic of how pipes work

[white dawn]

Buffed valves == thicc chonkier 3D models 🤤

[zenith shard]

hi guys, any advice here? newbie here :)

#screenshots message

[white dawn]

Building on foundations is certainly a good habit; keep doing that. :)

Apart from that, "good" is something that only you can decide. Are you happy with it? Then great! If not: try to improve on The Next Build™. :)

[zenith shard]

mmmmm semi happy? it feels like everything is too sparse, and that cost me too much concrete

[zenith shard]

thanks!! I was scared that I wasted my time xd

[white dawn]

Concrete definitely feels expensive in the early game. A lot of limestone for not a lot of concrete. :)

Later on once you've got the "breathing room" to build out concrete production a bit more, you'll feel less concrete-constrained

[brazen coral]

Got the alien power matrix up and running so got an additional 30% power to my whole circuit, found to use for the power shards after all

[white dawn]

And yeah, it might be a bit sparse, but whatever. Having too much room is a better problem than finding out you gave yourself too little

(though there's always up! If you ever do run out of room, you've got 2km of sky to build into. :)

[naive trellis]

for me yeah, I personally prefer having all of my storage containers near each other, but if you like it like that, then continue it!

[zenith shard]

I thought of it tbh

[white dawn]

And of course remember that if you ever don't like what you've done, you can dismantle it. You'll get all those materials back. Though I personally tend to recommend never bothering tearing things down. It's a huge map, with a lot of resources out there! Even if you grow to not like your early factories, you can just leave 'em and build new stuff Elsewhere. :)

[zenith shard]

that maybe I should separate the production tiers and item storage in different floors

[brazen coral]

That's what I mostly did for my factory is. I have a couple production floors but only one that moves product between them

[zenith shard]

#screenshots message actually those are all of my storage containers

unless you have a better idea of sorting them? lol

[white dawn]

One bit of tangential advice: it's gonna get harder and harder to keep things all in one area, even if you're dividing up by floors and stuff. When it's time to make something new, don't discount just making a totally-independent brand new factory for it, from ore->product. Lots of resource nodes out there!

[strong fiber]

Me personally i dont build spread out like that

[slender terrace]

The surface has been ever so dark.
I remember that time, days, maybe weeks ago, before the foundational plates of the factory city crawled over the sky, blotting out the sun.

It was beautiful, at first.

But now... it's so... so cold.

[strong fiber]

I build close together let me show you an example

[zenith shard]

okay I guess I can make a copper ingot factory, and then send it straight to my main hub

if that makes sense 🤔

btw is there a way to check all recipes in game?

[white dawn]

Heh, honestly, for now I recommend just ignoring advice from this Discord in general, even from myself. :D (Also to ignore: youtube, streamers, etc.) You're gonna get bombarded with dozens of conflicting opinions and stuff. You're doing fine! Just take it slow and explore/learn at your own pace

[zenith shard]

I can't remember how to build a rotor for an example lol

[strong fiber]

Me personally i dont build huge builds i just build what i need until phase 3 when i unlock trains

[slender terrace]

Only the Codex, once you've unlocked them all.

[white dawn]

As I'm fond of saying: Make your own mistakes, not someone else's. :)

[zenith shard]

ah fuck so I need to get a crafting bench

[strong fiber]

brooo

Why do I need 2100 silica/min

[slender terrace]

Because your heart demands it.

[strong fiber]

What are some good silica alternates other then cheap silica

I need limestone for concrete

Because i need alotta concrete

[slender terrace]

Maybe there's a water method.

[strong fiber]

ion think so

!wikisearch silica

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=silica

[slender terrace]

Bauxite and water. Interesting.

I'm beginning to think I should plan to have water routing throughout my infrastructure. Seems a lot of things end up wanting to use it.

[strong fiber]

!wikisearch dissolved silica

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=dissolved+silica

[strong fiber]

Using dissolved silica would be the best but then i need nitric acid

It uses very little limestone

[brazen coral]

Most of the time you won't need silica until late game recipes, or at least I've only been using one line of it consistently for one thing

Basic Aluminum production as well but even then

[strong fiber]

Im working on nuclear plant?

[queen slate]

just maxed out my dimentional depot stack size 😄

[strong fiber]

Dimensional

[queen slate]

im not good at spelling lol

[strong fiber]

It auto corrected it for me

[queen slate]

🤷‍♂️

[fluid crow]

if only there was gifs https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825695866677231656/1459290554130239548/IMG_0644.gif?ex=6962bdbc&is=69616c3c&hm=04b33b69182ff93e1f1bf5e10d4c1089b6a9e3723857602e572920bb6ce3230d&

[reef basin]

if there were gifs, we'd have unreadable channel

[fluid crow]

wdym?

[reef basin]

(yes, we had them previously, and yes, it was horrible)

[white dawn]

The Dissolved Silica loop is quite nice if you've got a use for both the Silica and Quartz Crystal outputs. When combined it's the most raw-quartz-efficient way to produce those. But if you're just producing silica then there's often better ways, btw. :)

[reef basin]

basically every 5th message was a gif and the channel was impossible to read

[fluid crow]

idk I'm in many discords where they are fun

[reef basin]

well "works in a different community" isn't a relevant info for enabling it here 🙂

and your gif is a perfect example of offtopic gif that would just spam this channel

[white dawn]

Can always meme your heart out in #satisfactory-memes or #off-topic-media

[brazen coral]

Haven't even started on mine, but at phase 5 now so getting the last steps going, just mostly waiting on ballistic warp drive to build.

[zenith shard]

hoow do I make conveyor belt lift's upper part to be an input instead of output??

[fluid crow]

so was the conversation about spelling or you telling me this

[zealous urchin]

linestone is a trash resource

plenty on map and isnt limiting you for any build

so theoreticaly dont need to stress abt it

[unkempt blade]

you should be nicer to my dear friend @mortal ginkgo !

[reef basin]

was never about spelling?

[mortal ginkgo]

BIG DAWG

[mortal ginkgo]

Because of people like you, we can't even share screenshots here. Now go spam random silly gifs somewhere else you silly goober.

[fluid crow]

this channel is about satisfactory

[reef basin]

and the gif isn't

[mortal ginkgo]

that gif isn't. now ssh.

[unkempt blade]

now if you built that meme in the form of a factory... that'd be peak game content it'd just belong in #screenshots

[zealous urchin]

💀

not even cooked

thermonucleary dissolved

[mortal ginkgo]

bro blz, there are alot of concrete based recipes

I just make everything better!

[zealous urchin]

not wrong

[unkempt blade]

nu-clearly is a fun word though

[zealous urchin]

linestone has alot of uses unironicaly

[toxic zenith]

Without limestone, your factory wouldn't have a foundation to stand on.

[mortal ginkgo]

WORDS BROTHERMAN! WORDS!

[unkempt blade]

it'd just be those awful metal ones that make my factory carts bumpy to drive 🙁

[sweet light]

You can never have enough concrete...

[toxic zenith]

Those take concrete too.

So, let's say I hypothetically had a vertical stack of packagers unpackaging a fluid into a vertical pipe.

For all consumers of that fluid, I can skip pumps entirely as long as they are below the tallest packager in the stack, correct?

[unkempt blade]

this is nu-clearly a good point

[mortal ginkgo]

yes, because you are bros with garv0ty

[obsidian quail]

you can safely ignore greeny.

[whole drum]

Why would you ignore him?

[cinder jay]

is there a max speed that a sink can take items?

[mortal ginkgo]

Because he spoke the truth. (Sounds familiar)

[mortal ginkgo]

belt speed, aka 1200/min

[cinder jay]

oh ok

[obsidian quail]

because they obviously werent seeing eye to eye. people need to use the built in functions of discord more often to make their lives easier.

[whole drum]

Sure, but usually that should be for people who are consistently obnoxious, trolling, or spammy. Disagreement? Not so much. I disagree with others here all the time, but mostly we still maintain mutual respect about it--or at least try to.

[mortal ginkgo]

For some twitter/reddit folk, everyone should block each other in the very slightest convenience. This is their life.

I also block impure limestone node haters. Automatically.

[whole drum]

Greeny is one of us who constantly tries to help people out here, and is the one responsible for Sf Tools. Probably someone worth listening to on occasion, at least.

[mortal ginkgo]

Yeah, he is mostly correct, even when I know he blocks me. Kek

[zealous urchin]

if u dont want me at my mk1 miner u dont deserve me at my mk3 250 wet concrete

[mortal ginkgo]

***ITS A YOU PROBLEM BIG DAWG NO I AM NOT CRYING OMG 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 ***

[zealous urchin]

maxeek cat mewing

[queen slate]

#screenshots message using 600 nitrogen wont cause a problem will it with m2 pipes ik that using max capacity with fluids can cause problems

[mortal ginkgo]

also 30/min limestone is HUGE! I will have YOU Know!

[whole drum]

Nitrogen is a gas

[queen slate]

love limestone they should add more uses for it

[queen slate]

ik but using max pipe capacity causes isues with fluids is that the same with gass

[sweet light]

Careful.. You might turn in to a block of concrete with that salt water

[reef basin]

I was here when it happened. There was no conversation possible in this channel. Anything you wrote disappeared under 10 gifs before you got the answer. And that was before we had the ability to reply to messages

[whole drum]

My experience has been the opposite--all my issues come from pipes not being full. Haven't tested Mk2 with gases as much, but from what I have used it has been okay.

[obsidian quail]

no one said otherwise.

[queen slate]

k ty

[reef basin]

how is "posting unrelated spammy gif" in any way "making life easier" then?

I love people who keep arguing and then say "move on"

[whole drum]

I'm personally okay with images/gifs, but I agree some people get a little to spam-happy with them. It mainly sucks that we can't share images here, but we've had this discussion plenty before and I don't feel like going over it all again--and I doubt you all do either.

[fickle locust]

Press R to reverse the input and output

[reef basin]

yeah, we all know that there's no reason to post images here 😛

[mortal ginkgo]

@obsidian quail you cant really tell someone to "move on" while you just appeared and said "oh you can block him btw", while noone asked about it.

[obsidian quail]

I wasn't arguing. you keep pinging me for some reason. Asking you to move along is a request to have you stop interacting with me.

[obsidian quail]

sure i can, i just did.

[mortal ginkgo]

You dont have the right to say that to him. You are just wrong in the end.

So he can do also whatever he wants.

This is the second time nobody asking your opinion.

[obsidian quail]

What are you, ICE? Im not wrong about anything, as I wasn't arguing about anything specific. I simply said that user can safely ignore him.

[whole drum]

Y'all think iron or coppy alloy alt is better?

[reef basin]

how do you define better? 😛

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah, you continued the issue, you cant say that to person you offend "omg bro move on". Thats not how it works

you could just keep your rat mouth shut.

[zenith shard]

instead of dismantling, is it possible to just rotate buildings?

[reef basin]

no

[mortal ginkgo]

Nope, not really.

[obsidian quail]

No i didnt. you guys did. jfc Just drop it and move along and it will end.

[eager harbor]

How are u people of earth I come from mazerotti planet

[mortal ginkgo]

You made it continue. He had the right to add the discussion. You are at fault. Now move along yourself, lil rat.

alan wake 2 was really a meh game brotherman

[whole drum]

In this context, I suppose "Which one do you find more useful? What priorities do you have that make that the case?"

[mortal ginkgo]

If you want something different other than "spam 345938540 refinery", alloy is a good excuse.

[obsidian quail]

i, in fact, did not. sorry, not sorry. No reason to try to use insults.

[mortal ginkgo]

Bro just move along. Please, like cmon.

[obsidian quail]

Agreed. You have that power alone. but you refuse to use it. Choose wisely.

[mortal ginkgo]

It is overrated. Play satisfactory instead.

[reef basin]

in that case, answer is "depends if I have copper and need iron, or if I have iron and need copper" 😛

[zealous urchin]

coppy alloy - aura gain

[whole drum]

I'm looking for something more specific, though. Are there patterns to your approach in building factories that cause you to favor one more often than the other?

[mortal ginkgo]

could be 5010!

[zealous urchin]

be the change u wanna see in the world ahhhh

[mortal ginkgo]

expecting too much from a rat, poor guy had to block me lols.

imagine having your opinion less worth than an impure limestone node

[obsidian quail]

you're still going on about it? wow

[whole drum]

You were being kind of disrespectful about it though, ngl

[mortal ginkgo]

lil bro cant keep me blocked lol

[zealous urchin]

i could have 5k hours myself if i left pc on for half a year lol

[obsidian quail]

no he was legit just being a dick about it

[reef basin]

I usually plan the recipes together with location. So if I have e.g. a factory that needs 2000 copper, I look for a place that has the amount of copper I need, or possibly replace some of that copper with copper alloy and use iron if such location has iron.

Recipe choices for me depend a lot on location, goals, other recipes, etc. so basically all recipes are always in play, until I choose the path that works best for given situation

(and I know this is kinda non-answer, but that's how it is)

[whole drum]

Fair enough

[unkempt blade]

they're both very common unless you're really steering towards one or the other with your recipe choices

[mortal ginkgo]

Personally, I had a late game plan that almost exhausted all nodes but not even got close to iron.

Iron is TRULY plently so if you want to do something different and NOT aiming for 60 nuclear/pasta, you can definitely do alloy.

Otherwise Pure Copper (or Coke recipe) is a must.

[unkempt blade]

the first time I usually feel like I run out of nearby copper is normally for copper powder in P4 and then I'll just find some copper node way far away and drone the powder back to where I'm making spaceship parts

[whole drum]

Yeah, I've mostly just used Pures for multiplying output

[fickle locust]

I like using Copper Alloy Ingot for copper production and Basic Iron Ingot for Iron--since there's no way to combine limestone and copper that feels like the best use of the huge amount of limestone lying around.

[mortal ginkgo]

I am personally scared of doing what I aim to do because it will really mean I have to spam refinery everywhere.. might really get old fast.

[zealous urchin]

it is old very fast

[mortal ginkgo]

I dislike the fact that Pure recipes are the most profitable

I get it, it costs power and water and piping and my mom but still.

[unkempt blade]

BPs certainly help but it does add up to a lot of refineries

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah, I mean it becomes "putting same BP all over the place" instead of refinery

than there is mk2 pipe shenanigans etc

[whole drum]

I look at water as the most abundant resource on the map, so anything that gives me more output by just adding water is an easy win.

[unkempt blade]

it's signficantly less fiddling with pipes than it was pre-BPs but definitely not no fiddling 😆

[zealous urchin]

after i begin to disdain refs i started building them in circles

[mortal ginkgo]

Water is abundant but it costs in pipe management and sanity.

[fickle locust]

The small percentage theoretical improvement from pure recipes is overshadowed by how much more annoying they are to make than the alloy recipes. I produce way more ingots in a practical sense because when I make foundries I acutally build them, when I need to make refineries I procrastinate and find something else to do

[mortal ginkgo]

Yup. It is the patience that refineries ask the most, not anything else kek

[zealous urchin]

pure is good but id consider leached for csterium and dissolved silica for quartz

[zenith shard]

is factory cart good? or is there a better upgrade for that

[unkempt blade]

yeah it's good, as long as you have foundations to drive on

[zenith shard]

hmmm where can I get a good car for traveling lol

and no, pls don't say Porsche or VW

[unkempt blade]

probably the explorer but tractor/truck handle dirt they're just slower

unlocks in the MAM

[zenith shard]

ahh kk

[whole drum]

I don't really struggle with pipes, so this cost is quite low to me

[unkempt blade]

I think most people just wind up using like blade runners + jetpack and ignore the vehicles mostly for driving around

[zenith shard]

ohh.... I need to find A LOT of quartz

dude wow what

[whole drum]

What phase are you in that you're using quartz?

[zenith shard]

need like 30 quartz

im at phase 1? idk

nvm found a lot of them wooo

[whole drum]

Oh, ok. Early on you don't actually need a ton--like 120/m will overkill your realistic needs for quite awhile.

Can even get by on 60 if you had to

[zenith shard]

I have literally 0 quartz rn

[zealous urchin]

personaly im a fan of quartz recipes

[unkempt blade]

while you're still finding new resource types/doing MAM stuff I like to run around with a few of the portable miners and just get a few stacks of quartz or whatever that way when I find it

[whole drum]

I probably should use more quartz alts, but it's usually not in convenient locations

[zenith shard]

I didn't know you could use miners on quartz xd

[fickle locust]

There are quartz nodes which you will discover as you advance in the game

[whole drum]

Yeah, just don't use them on uranium...

[unkempt blade]

for the early MAM stuff you only need like a few hundred of each thing so the portable miners are great for that