satisfactory

[sullen gull]

In my current creative, I already have 384 blueprints 😛

[whole drum]

The most honest use I've genuinely had from it was to set up a 2-floor, 4-wide smelter array to cram iron/copper/cat through

[wispy osprey]

Mk 2 is so so much better than mk 1 that you'll never use 1 again

[whole drum]

That's the other issue--Mk2 isn't that long to wait compared to first unlocking Mk1

[sullen gull]

Personally I still use Mk1 a tone. If I am just doing smol stuff, slam down a mk1, make, save, delete.

[wispy osprey]

You might use the 4×4 grid for a path to make train stations on but that's it

[whole drum]

But overall, they are still tiny. Hardly room for normal numbers of assemblers/manufacturers

[wispy osprey]

That's by design, manufactures are just too big for blueprints

[whole drum]

Yeah, the autoconnect feature does breathe new life into it for certain things, that's true

[whole drum]

It's poor design then. Further limits the use of something that's hard to justify in the first place.

[wispy osprey]

Setting up a manufacturing hall isn't too hard

[whole drum]

And I've seen the devs comment on this issue in videos, but I think they have a weirdly binary view of it. They can be bigger without having to be infinite. They are afraid that blueprints can take all of the work out of it, and I don't think that has to be the case just because you allow them to be bigger than they are.

[whole drum]

Again, this is an argument against the utility of blueprints

[wispy osprey]

Anything to do with oil I set up manually lol

[whole drum]

I set up basically everything manually because I find blueprints hard to justify

But I would like them to be useful

[quiet bronze]

guys whats the easiest way to handle the math with planning a new factory? ive tried spreadsheets, in game notes, and even not organizing it at all but it always is super like conspicuous and annoying

[wispy osprey]

Machines give you the answer, napkin math those answers out to see what your belts need to do

[whole drum]

Look at the required input/m, and build the required step behind that. Do this until you know how much of each raw material you need.

You don't have to physically build it in game. You can just notepad it if you want.

[quiet bronze]

yeah i know like how to do the math i just have a hard time organizing it in a way that doesnt give me a headache

[whole drum]

You can also just use https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/

As for the layout, you can try the Modeler on Steam

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3187030/Satisfactory_Modeler/

[wispy osprey]

Man

[quiet bronze]

okii thank youu !! :3

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

Bout 2 minutes to setup 4 manufactures.

Though, I "could" have used autoconnect on those as well.. 🤷‍♂️

[eager harbor]

What items should I focus on making when building my steel farm

I got advanced steel tier

[wispy osprey]

Showoff

[dense violet]

whatever you need made of steel

if you don't need them , don't make them yet

[sullen gull]

Lol, Just trying to break the mantra of needing to cram everything and the kitchen sink into Bluprints lol

[unkempt blade]

not related to steel but you should make factory carts

[eager harbor]

[wispy osprey]

What blueprint size is that

If it's 6×6 I'll be a little mad

[sullen gull]

It can be made in a mk2

[wispy osprey]

Good, I'll figure that one out on my own.

Definitely stealing the under-belt idea

[eager harbor]

What is this farm

[wispy osprey]

It's a manufacturing example to show that you can make everything in blueprints

[eager harbor]

Oh

[eager harbor]

How can he build while flying

[wispy osprey]

Creative mode

[eager harbor]

Oh nooby

Jk

[sullen gull]

Yeah, sorry lol, didn't feel like turning it off lol.

[wispy osprey]

Aside from infinite item use that's the main thing is flight

[sullen gull]

Can still do similar with hoverpack

[wispy osprey]

I'm used to staying grounded even though it is annoying

What should I do with heavy oil residue, 10 refineries make way too much for petroleum power

[unkempt blade]

but the hoverpack feels good and it's good for you too!

[sullen gull]

To be perfectly honest, I love being grounded more than I do the flying

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

[dense violet]

turn to coke and sink is easy

[sullen gull]

And, I put the beams in because it makes it so that nudge works a bit "better" imo. I usually just go through and delete them alll after.

[strange sphinx]

As a new player is there something from the Ficsmas event I should definitely get before it is over?

[sullen gull]

Snowballs!!

[wispy osprey]

The calender

[dense violet]

not really. It's just a little gimmick

[sullen gull]

😏

[dense violet]

a few hard drives in the calandar are somewhat useful?

[south sinew]

from what I can see they are meaningless cosmetics so you can just skip the whole thing

[unkempt blade]

candycane basher is peak basher

[eager harbor]

Wait u can turn creative on then off in ur world?

[sullen gull]

The snowman armies/theatre's were cool 😛

[sullen gull]

No,once you make a save a creative save, it stays that way afaik

[eager harbor]

Ah ok

[sullen gull]

And it will not allow achievements either fyi

[eager harbor]

Lol

[eager harbor]

What items of steel should I produce in my farm

[tired cypress]

You get a few useful items from the calendar (hard drives, etc) but otherwise it's only cosmetics and gimmick "weapons"

[sullen gull]

As @dense violet said, what ever needs steel. Right now you'll want pipes and beams

[eager harbor]

K

[sullen gull]

Later it may be an alt that uses steel ingots.

All depends on you and how you'd like to play.

[eager harbor]

What do I search in wiki to get the map that locates deposits

[sullen gull]

You want https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[golden nexus]

Word of warng @eager harbor has been rage baiting/ trolling all day with these simple questions, Steel has alreayd been explains by many people eg from here #satisfactory message

[eager harbor]

Ye what do u search in wiki to find that

[sullen gull]

Yeah/no, I assumed and was happening all night as well it seemed.

[eager harbor]

The hate is insane am ignoring u for now

[golden nexus]

Myself and others have request the moderation team deal with it at this point, Its the same as the #1038092680493801533 has been getting it as well

[eager harbor]

When I search interactive map in wiki it doesn’t show

I can show u in screenshots

[golden nexus]

Its abusive behavior and taking advantage of peoples good nature.....

[eager harbor]

Pls check #screenshots

[golden nexus]

You been requested at least 15 times now to take your questions into #1038092680493801533

[limpid iron]

turbofuel from HOR from oil (theres 1140 in the area) and byproduct I turn into plastic and rubber

[sullen gull]

I had already made a couple mentions of we're not able to play the game for them, then the shouting and constant repeating, over asking, subject to subject jumping, It seemed evident enough.

[golden nexus]

I mean like, if you do a search in discord for "from: elixirbloxplayz What" you will see what i mean there is just 3 pages of "What is X?", "What", You can then repeat this with "How ...." there a point where you gotta say "figure some shit out on your own"

Or at least take it to a side channel.... which has been requested 15+ times at this point

By no less than 5-7 people

[whole drum]

Considering how friendly/chill this community generally is, you have to really fuck up for them to turn on you like this

[golden nexus]

The community turned when it was responses like "No, Hand crafting is best" was being thrown back at obvious questions somewhere around here #satisfactory message

I am just rerising it so people don't get their time wasted....

[compact sparrow]

I want to make a power plant and im thinking to wait to unlock blenders and make a rocket fuel powerplant, but at that point i might as well go nuclear. On the other hand i could make a turbo fuel power plant using refineries but it is harder to make and gives less power. What should I do?

[sullen gull]

Out of the options, The RF or Nuclear would be the best options.

[golden nexus]

If you can make it to blenders, make it to blends before either of the oil plants

Cause if you do turbo fuel, you want the blender diluted fuel recipie in the middle of it

[sullen gull]

Rf is "simple", but does require a ton of generators to go "big". Nuke is more "work" but can be worth it at the end.

[hollow spruce]

wth is this session creation failure?

[compact sparrow]

I think I’ll go with just turbo fuel since it’s more “early game” and use packagers for the packaged water for the diluted packaged fuel recipe and recycle them correctly this time cause I had many issues with that

[sullen gull]

Try a reload?

[golden nexus]

The other suggestion is build a throw away fuel plant... real basic, real fast give you 5-6Gw and the nthrow it away when you move to the blender

[reef basin]

easy way is to make a 1:1:1 blueprint with refinery and two packagers, loop the belt and put 20 canisters in it

then you can treat it like a blender

[compact sparrow]

I think that’s the plan

[dusky hedge]

i skipped turbo fuel and went to nitro rocket fuel, a very small production supports 240 generators and has plenty of room to scale easily, feels like cheating

[golden nexus]

A warning about trying to jump to nuclear, you need something to power the factories to make it

[compact sparrow]

Yeah I have gone nuclear 2 times already I know the hustle

[golden nexus]

Do you have power managment options? eg priority switch?

[compact sparrow]

Problem is if I skip turbofuel what do I power my factories with till I make the nitro fuel plant

[compact sparrow]

No I haven’t even unlocked oil yet, I started a new save yesterday but I’m almost there

[sullen gull]

OOf, sulfur eater 😛

[golden nexus]

yum, yum

[dusky hedge]

i guess we all play differently, but i had more than enough with 16 coal and 7 or 8 fuel gens
i did spend some time getting hard drives and sloops so my production was often full and not consuming

oh and i was putting the free ones on geysers while exploring

[compact sparrow]

Yeah, I could always do that but I kinda want to take it slow this time cause I always rush to nuclear and just when I finish it, I get bored and end it there. I have never reached the “alien” stuff

[dusky hedge]

i think im at 90 hours, and about 10 of that was figuring out trains

[compact sparrow]

You mean train throughout? Cause I have a tip for that

[dusky hedge]

just trains altogether, im loving what you can do with them

[golden nexus]

It depends how big you went early on

[compact sparrow]

Yeah they are amazing

[golden nexus]

I skimped on power generation a lot, i created a small turbo fuel setup early on, it pushed to me unlock all milestones, now I am having to backtrack to create a nitro setup in order to provide power to run a nuclear setup

So now I have done "half a nitro" (i ran out of sulhpur), I am about to do the other half anyway

[compact sparrow]

Last play through I made a 30 fully overclocked nuclear setup. It surprisingly didn’t take too much time. But just as I unlocked tier 9 I quit the game

[dusky hedge]

this game needs an end game goal, like a leaderboard with a percentage of players youi beat

like for parts per minute and who reached a thresh hold fastest

[golden nexus]

It didn't take too long to put this in place #screenshots message

[compact sparrow]

I think since 1.0 released there is an end goal but I believe it’s not tempting enough

[sullen gull]

There is a leaderboard for Super Packer Deluxe 😏 https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/FICSIT_Productive_Packer_Deluxe

[golden nexus]

I want to see a different game mode or 2, One of which is a trader mode. You do X, You get Y back in return for contracts

[compact sparrow]

Btw what setups do u guys have? Cause I have a 3050 and a r5 3400g and after some hours of gameplay it starts to lose fps and lag quite a lot

[sullen gull]

9800x3d, 4070Ti, 64gb ram. And still require a reload after long hours. More so when working in blueprint designers a lot.

[golden nexus]

Ryzen 7, 32GB Ram, 2060 Super.(8GB)

[compact sparrow]

Oh damn I need an upgrade asap. My main issue is when I try to open the build menu it freezes for like half a second every single time

[golden nexus]

My machine is water cooled as well, it also due a replacement build in the next 1-2 years probably, its about 5-6 years old now

[dusky hedge]

i was thinking like "you reached 1k super computers pm in 75 hours, you rank 375th - top 4 %"
and also rank for max output pm for a sustained 10 hours or so

[severe pewter]

3080ti and i9 on a laptop -temps hold well, but had to jump through hoops to make the cooling sufficient

If you're really overheating and the fans are all cleaned out/not blocked, it may need new thermal paste

[compact sparrow]

Mine too

[golden nexus]

This is why i would go to a trader mode more, it can give better multiplayer competitive / isolated stuff, something which can be the first to deliver x, y, z at either sustained or total quanity to win

[dusky hedge]

or sink

[golden nexus]

Its quite common in colony/factory builder hybrid which have finite resources. Like Captain of industry, The crust etc...

[sullen gull]

Pretty sure one of the developers goals is to have it be more "chill"

[golden nexus]

How more chill? like more simple milestones?

[severe pewter]

The only issue I've run into, is that if I leave it running overnight, sometimes I become unable to load because the server is offline -though I'm playing local, so shrug

[sullen gull]

And that this game being "it's own thing" and not have to "be like the others"

[dusky hedge]

chil ppl will always chill, but when there is a competitive mode then the competitive ppl will get more involved

[sullen gull]

That "server" thing is a local thing. Its supossed to restart every 24 hours by default in the background. But sometimes it does that

[golden nexus]

Yeah, I get that which is why its added as a game mode variant with a new building, so you do something like space elevator or you do this other "drop pod / cargo deport contracts thing"

[dusky hedge]

most ppl dont speed run but that mode keeps games allive for years after they got boring

[severe pewter]

What's the opposite of a speed run? I've put in 600~700ish hours and haven't started aluminum

[golden nexus]

Getting good value for money?

[severe pewter]

Beating the game doesn't have to be the goal

[dusky hedge]

"COngratulatoins..only 17% of players have reched this level of procrastination " 🙂

[severe pewter]

Lmao

[gloomy tusk]

anyone here play satisfactory

[severe pewter]

Idk, I enjoy building everything by hand, and the tinkering, and seeing how complicated I can build things and still keep it elegant

[golden nexus]

Some are rare like "Data driven" only 2.4% of players have collected all hard drives

[severe pewter]

What is that?

[gloomy tusk]

its pretty new

not well known

[sullen gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4LlorYbVV0 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZJ27aFaoJc

[golden nexus]

Captian of industry is where its at

I am still missing "The Nut"

[leaden turret]

-# phrasing

[golden nexus]

The one in the Awesome shop

[severe pewter]

Still holding out for golf

[golden nexus]

Tower defense

[gloomy tusk]

i just found more oil

im turning american

[dusky hedge]

left or right

[golden nexus]

Not base defense, Its intergalactic tower defense

[whole drum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4LlorYbVV0
The devs have been clear about this for a long time

[severe pewter]

Technically, wouldn't Satisfactory-TD be 3D Factorio with infinite resources?

[golden nexus]

We know lol

[whole drum]

Oh, I missed the context. My bad. It's not unusual we get someone in here asking for base defenses and more aggressive enemies (like Factorio).

[golden nexus]

I would be asking genuing for a trader mode, like "space contracts" kinda fits the larger idea

[dusky hedge]

base defence could work with a 30 man team, but the effort to make it work from devs would be wasted
edit, i mean 30 player team

[golden nexus]

The awkward side would be the destruction side of base defense which doesn't fit the same or its current mechanics

[sullen gull]

Take a look at the QA site. There may be support for your idea, or you could make a post and gain the support

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @sullen gull

[gusty scroll]

I’m new to the game(up to coal power generator). So does anyone have any tips for how to make a neat factory and building techniques?

[frank prism]

I just got an item called Somersloop what is it used for👁️ 👁️

[fallow vector]

ask your MAM

[golden nexus]

just keep building, sooner or later you start to run out of bad ideas

[frank prism]

I just finished Tier 0 and found it.. what is a MAM???

[golden nexus]

One big tip is to learn how to work around belt limits

[reef basin]

a thing you can build

[gusty scroll]

Okay. Any building techniques. I know about manifolds and sushi lines(although I don’t completely understand the sushi lines). However I’m looking for more techniques.

[fallow vector]

I'm at phase two. Just prepare to tear down a few factories and get some inspo from real architecture

[severe pewter]

I'd imagine TD Satisfactory shouldn't be super intensive to set up, maybe, recycling the game engine. Would require a different (and much smoother) map, a smaller limit on objects, different recipes. But honestly, it sounds like a separate game mode run by a mod team accessible from the main menu

[reef basin]

eh, honestly I wouldn't recommend tearing down

[sullen gull]

And acctually, for this whole convo, 7:10 in the first video with Jace is the "Important" bit imo

[golden nexus]

Research machine -> found in build menu under special when unlocked from the hub

[gusty scroll]

Don’t remind me. My belt constructor got stuck on curve building mode

[gusty scroll]

A few factory’s? You mean I’m supposed to have multiple?

[fallow vector]

if my Tism doesn't aprove of my work, I don't have much of a choice XD

[reef basin]

build new, keep old

[fallow vector]

Usually happens naturally with progressing and localizing production

[frank prism]

oh wow I never seen that thank you

[terse rain]

any idea why all these refineries keep idling?

their inputs are full, outputs are empty, power is MORE than enough

[reef basin]

possible output full?

[golden nexus]

Theres multiple unlock directions, HUB, Space Elevator, MaM, Awesome shopthey run concurrently and have limited dependacies on each other

[terse rain]

but every so often all of them go yellow

[gusty scroll]

Anyways. Back to my main question. I know about manifolds and sushi lines(although I don’t completely understand the sushi lines). However I’m looking for more techniques.

[severe pewter]

If you want to see a sushi line, I could share mine.

[gusty scroll]

Sure

[golden nexus]

some people like flat layouts, some people like me prefere towers / vertical builds to solve logestical problems

[terse rain]

all of their outputs are empty. the mk 4 belts never reach 480

[reef basin]

techniques for what? sushi lines have completely different purpose from manifolds

[oak nymph]

Where is the area?

[severe pewter]

Alright hold up, need to get set up

[gusty scroll]

They do? I’m just lookin for building techniques. Not for any purpose.

[frank prism]

I Haven't watched any Youtube about this or anything so
Someone I talked to told me to play it he said he had 3k hour or somthing

[reef basin]

well there's like infinite amount of them. Probably check #screenshots or something

[sullen gull]

#design-and-architecture message

[dense violet]

imo avoid youtube vids, a lot of them are just bad, and you'll learn more by playing

[feral jay]

Yes, and all of them except for my techniques are wrong

[frank prism]

I came here to talk to people about it but I relive I'm a big noob rn

[golden nexus]

More vertical mid/late game "steel tower" example #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

That's not entirely true. Unless they are focused on "You must do production this way" sure. But design tips and tricks aren't typically someone one can just learn intuitively in this game.

[feral jay]

We all were, once

[surreal hull]

same

[dense violet]

well sushi lines are just multiple items on teh same belt

smart splitters to send specific item to machine, rest over flow to next step.
about it

[surreal hull]

im 50 hours into my woprld and aint even automated rotors xD

[gusty scroll]

Smart splitters?

[dense violet]

something you research in the MAM, lets you have specific items exit specific sides of the splitter

[dense violet]

what tier are you in?

[gusty scroll]

Like 4 or 5. Which ever one you get coal power generators

[dense violet]

3

[dusky hedge]

i guess if you overproduce ans sink all excess then sushi would be a breeze

[dense violet]

is when you get them at the start. But research things in the MAM , very useful stuff

[golden nexus]

not if you put it all on the same belt :S

[dense violet]

if you produce the exact right number you only have to sink extra items until it stabalises

and it is a breeze

[severe pewter]

Depends. My stuff took months to set up

[gusty scroll]

What tree do you research it on

[dense violet]

caterium I believe , but reserach all of it. Probably the most important building in the game

[fallow vector]

I don't bother with sushi belts.
They look like a headache to get to work

[dusky hedge]

well the belt always produces whats needed, and each machine sinks overflow , ie,. not needed

[dense violet]

they're very easy

[severe pewter]

The math was fun

But it wasn't easy

[golden nexus]

too many sinks, they use a fair bit of power

[dusky hedge]

am i missing something, if youi can sink excess individually from each machine then it should be simple as

[dense violet]

if you need 305 steel pipes pm and like 205 copper sheets per min for a sushi fed system
just clock 2 groups of machiens to make that

that's it

[frank prism]

YOU CAN SCAN STUFF

[golden nexus]

Kinda, You still end up with too many items, you can be better to consume the exact numbers of what you produce

[frank prism]

I'm so slow

[dusky hedge]

ofc, but if yoiu overproduce slightly it only costs power, and you sink anything that cant fit in the machine, then the belt can never be backed up

[severe pewter]

You'd have to see it

[golden nexus]

Yeah but the different method work is different situations, Sushi belts make sense if you have something like stator+rotor on shared logestics and then you sink the end of the belt. It does not make sense to put screws on a sushi belt for example.

[dense violet]

you can make anything very complicated in this game.
but basically everything you could possibly want to do can also be done very simply

[severe pewter]

Fair

[golden nexus]

You can for example make motor, smart plate generally high value items like this#screenshots message

and if you could, merge the output directly back onto the sushi belt

[severe pewter]

And that's where the complication begins

[golden nexus]

Its kinda powerful if you want to be able to scale up / down production for various items like switch between rotor / stator and motor

cause you just need to switch the floor of motor assemblers on / off

but then everything downstream of motor is going to be "broken"

Kinda useful for smart plate mayby?

Its why i was talking about trader / contracts. Not only do you have to design a factory, But you need to makeyou design flexible in terms of items it can produce with a restriction on input materials being provided

[dusky hedge]

now i want to make a mid game item factory on a single belt just to see the logistics and waste vs simplicity of design

[dense violet]

that's an option. Just takes planning

[severe pewter]

I have a simple version of this kind of thing set up with the christmas stuff. Everything outputs to shared lines to storage, and then sink for overflow. Smart splitters pull from it as needed, with everything also able to input directly to storage, letting me toggle everything without anything breaking.

[dense violet]

though considering how much items pm get shrunk every step you'll be making very few items per min in the end

[golden nexus]

Something to use btw. This works for both "up" and "down" buildings. It puts a bus vertically upwards #screenshots message

[cinder jay]

can you break the radiation stuff with noblic?

[golden nexus]

It means you can put specific items on specific floors especially with programmable splitter

[smoky trench]

anybody ever tried to complete the space elevator with only biomass generators for power?

[severe pewter]

I grabbed a Mercer Sphere from behind a uranium crystal by (after saving) mining, and dropping each hand-mined clump in the trash as soon as it showed up. Was just barely able to mine the whole thing without dying.

[dusky hedge]

i think hes still collecting leaves

[dense violet]

yes

[severe pewter]

Oh hey, what ever happened to priority mergers?

[golden nexus]

what i can say about this method is if it goes wrong the dev team was good enough to realise if you have keep inventory on, they were really kind and remove the uranium from your inventory

[sullen gull]

What about them?

[golden nexus]

they are there

[severe pewter]

Hmm

[sullen gull]

Pretty niche, but they are there

[dense violet]

they continue to be pointless?

[golden nexus]

i nearly found a use for one today lmao

[severe pewter]

I can brute force without them, but they're handy when you want to piggyback off a line without clogging it up

[golden nexus]

NEARLY being a keyword....

So i very NEARLY used one .....

[dense violet]

brute force what?

[sullen gull]

I use one when merging cc back in from an RF plant. But most probably not nessessary.

[severe pewter]

As in, hard limit the input from a source, so keep that + the other belt from overflowing. Otherwise, I could leave the primary belt as is, and say "fit this in every empty space on the belt"

[dense violet]

satisfactory is a game about dedicated and constant production, there's ... never any need to do anything like that

factorio where random shit is being delivered and processed? absolutely.

[severe pewter]

I use overflows for personal storage, and why run a second line if I can do it in 1?

[golden nexus]

actually there is a use, it looks like my power shard place locked up eventuall because it has a belt feedback loop issue

[dense violet]

clock and make the items per min so you don't need to?

[dense violet]

I've done several power shard systems w/o p mergers. I have no idea what you're doing to them

[severe pewter]

I don't have dedicated production for low-end items, only the end-of-production stuff.

[dense violet]

so just use smart splitter to over flow...?

[golden nexus]

Too much dark crystal on the input line

[dusky hedge]

i made dedicated lines for quantum storage thingy for genral building, was super quick and made things so much easier

[wispy osprey]

That's what I did with my old factory

[golden nexus]

I use dark crystallization for the feedback loop #screenshots message

[dense violet]

in any case, no one here has ever shown me any system that uses a Pmerg where they didn't have to actively design a ton of extra hoops to jump through to make an excuse to have them.

Like sure, you can always always over complicate things.

[wispy osprey]

Old factory that's too big to tear down is just set dressing until I "need" the pure iron/coal

[golden nexus]

In this case the issue is resolved with a sink, if i use a pmerger it just moves the sink somewhere else

[dense violet]

so do like you do in bauxite and dedicate certain machiens to use waste DMR

[feral jay]

I've only found a use for pmergers once so far this save

[dense violet]

and you can use a smart spliter if there is some over flow? but it absolutely doesn't need a pmerg

[severe pewter]

just increased the storage capacity on it
#screenshots message

[limpid iron]

the oasis area in the north, basically in the top middle of the map

[wispy osprey]

Storage -> Smart Splitter (overflow sink) -> storage

[golden nexus]

There may be a case for pmerger if your combining multiple belts of mixed inputs into max item speeds, it may be slightly easier

[sullen gull]

I wouldn't say there were any "hoops". Last merger on an output manifold of assemblers out putting compacted coal, is a priority merger. Bring the cc back from the RF blenders and just have the merger make that line the priority so it never backs up.

[limpid iron]

facts!

[sullen gull]

Super simple

[wispy osprey]

It's so good

[feral jay]

Because I was taking the output of three scrap refineries at 900/min, and then that needed to be sent two two banks of smelters, but unequally. I priority merger made that easier and eliminated the need for a full blown belt balancer between the two factories

[limpid iron]

though I usually do
smart splitter (sink) -> storage -> uploader thing

[feral jay]

Both outputs and inputs were beyond my belt capacity

[dusky hedge]

is that from a bus?
i just made mine near the miners, slap it down and run away 🙂

[wispy osprey]

I tried to do that but it sometimes doesn't work in certain situations

[limpid iron]

works fine for me, storage fills up and anything else just goes into the sink

[wispy osprey]

I only want the overflow to pass when the storage is filled

[limpid iron]

well it does do that since when the storage overflows, it goes into the sink

[wispy osprey]

I need to test it again, i don't recall how I set up my steel/iron overflow sinks

I know my petroleum coke sinks like that though

[severe pewter]

I guess you could call it a bus. It's the end line from the sushi belt, feeds some 30-odd dim. storages. Added the industrials as an extra bit of backlog. Gonna take forever to overflow them.

[mortal ginkgo]

the only time it can ve wonky is if your smart splitter got different mk belts connected to it

[limpid iron]

#screenshots message

[golden nexus]

Even with a priority merger, This does not behave in the way i would want it to. #screenshots message The belt coming from upper container slot still stalls even when the priority of the input slot is set ot high and everything else low.

[wispy osprey]

24 coal burners and it still has extra outgoing

Residue makes so much coke

[golden nexus]

Quick get a straw

[wispy osprey]

Sustainance

[dusky hedge]

fair, i have a similar storage area and i didnt want to clutter it up with lifters or anything

[severe pewter]

Are all the belts the same type?

[golden nexus]

So the priority merger for the single use case i can think of fails. Because its need a priority of "none" not a priority of "Low"

[golden nexus]

all mk5

[wispy osprey]

I know i could bring water and canisters right there to make residue fuel and burn that, but petrol byproduct is the quick solution

[severe pewter]

Well that's obnoxiously coded, who designed garbage like that?

Low does not mean still send

[golden nexus]

Its close to it, but i would want a clarification on that before using it for that

[sullen gull]

Gave one 😏 #satisfactory message

[severe pewter]

I would have to test it without your feedback loop to make sure first

[dusky hedge]

wouldnt a priority of none be achieved by disconnecting the belt?

[fringe ginkgo]

is there an eta on 1.2?

[whole drum]

We need to change the rhetoric around tearing down and rebuilding. We need to encourage people to finish all the tiers, and then tear down everything in order to rebuild in the most optimal way, since--presumably--you should now know how. 👍

[sullen gull]

Eh, I would say first play through is the basics. Second is learning the alts 😏

[severe pewter]

The way high and low, or even basic tiers should typically work would be:

High - always on
Medium - on if will not interrupt high
Low - on if will not interrupt high or medium

Same tiers should still split evenly

[feral jay]

They don't?

[severe pewter]

I don't know yet. Will throw hands if they don't

[sullen gull]

That's the way it's seemed to work when I messed with them. 🤷‍♂️

[golden nexus]

just did one which stalled the belt with it set on low

Well sorry, To clarify, the high input stalled with everything else on low

[sullen gull]

All same belt speeds?

[golden nexus]

Yes, #screenshots message

You should just be able to reproduce that

[dusky hedge]

not sure i agree, there is a mentality behind doing things right when you learn new things, eg, there is no need to clean your room before going out, you can do it later when youve eaten and had some fun, in fact it might be more efficient to not clean it until it gets super messy, but doing it first is important to some ppl (i am not one of those ppl 😄 )

[golden nexus]

So your saying, your factory is best served as a decent Carbonara ?

[sullen gull]

Doesn't tell me what your pmergers are set too 😏

[golden nexus]

input high, everything else low

oh ffs its working now.... probably my fault

[wispy osprey]

Should I put in the effort to burn fuel from residue byproduct (producing plastic/rubber) or just keep petrol

[golden nexus]

You have options 🙂

[dusky hedge]

noone will ever convince me that spaghetti is not efficient

[severe pewter]

Angel Hair ftw

[wispy osprey]

I could technically burn more power with a fuel setup instead of 24 coal burners

Petrol burners*

I'm already using up the coal nearby to consider turbo

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message like so?

(belt directions)

[golden nexus]

So... some options I am aware of

1. Sink the pet coke for points. Help early/mid transistion for unlocks
2. Burn the pet coke
3. Convert the HOR to fuel and burn that in gens
4. Keep the pet coke and use it to make tempered ingots caterium / copper which really helps with the computer building you just made the plastic/rubber for
5. Pack the fuel and use it for trucks/drones
6. Diluted fuel recipie and burn that
7. Diluted fuel recipie use it for trucks etc...
8. A combination of the above 🙂
9. Make smokeless powder

[severe pewter]

Oh, so anyway: with the priority merger, I had the opportunity to use one with the extra 30 iron sheets I squeezed onto a t3 belt so I could have some surplus to bank. The 30 split off as overflow, and I could have low priority merged it onto the sushi belt.
-Low priority would have been much nicer than brute-force limiting the belt to 30 prior to merging

[wispy osprey]

Making packaged normal fuel for vehicles needs a steady supply of canisters since they get consumed

[golden nexus]

Which you have plastic for nearby 😛

[severe pewter]

Compacted coal works rather nice

[golden nexus]

10. coke steel ingot 😛

11. Electrode circuit board
12. Petroleum diamonds 😛

[wispy osprey]

I could take one of my steel outputs and make canisters.

[golden nexus]

i actually use 12 btw.......

[onyx echo]

I did a thing

[fresh umbra]

hello does anyone know why i cannot unload the tractor at a station?

[wispy osprey]

Reminder that my current plant makes 1440 steel per min in 2 industrial storages

[golden nexus]

So your not doing coke steel then?

[wispy osprey]

I need to gamble to do that

[severe pewter]

On the loop you set up, you need to make sure there is a pause symbol where the station is. If not - I'm a bit rusty, but I think you may need to re-do the loop

[wispy osprey]

It's raw ore + petroleum right?

[severe pewter]

I know how to remove points, not add them

[wispy osprey]

I really prefer ingot + coal

[sullen gull]

If on PC, you can regenerate with SCIM if you wanted something saved.

[fresh umbra]

it just wont let me unload even when im not recording

[sullen gull]

Oh, duh, you said points 🤣 🤦‍♂️

[golden nexus]

iron ore + coke yeah. 15+15 -> 20 . It comes as 75/in and 100/min out

[severe pewter]

Oh - does the station have power and an output line?

[golden nexus]

Same, I find out setups especially mid game change late game

[wispy osprey]

I'm sticking with iron ingot to steel ingot for a decent while

980 iron per minute turning into 1440 steel is crazy

[golden nexus]

Part of this odd playthough, i brought oil back into the grass fields by trail before doing oil, so i ran my coal gen on it for a while as well lmao, i also then flipped it over to diamonds for time crystal for mk6 belt mats, it was convient to have it in the "starter base"

[sullen gull]

You don't have to unload when recording. It does that automatically. As for when doing it manually, is the station powered, is it full, is there something actually in the truck? Otherwise, record the loop, then adjust the wait time on the paus node at the station

[dusky hedge]

i thought of a challenge for pros, never allowed to delete a building or foundation

[wispy osprey]

I can hold on to petrol to do diamonds in late game

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-no-no-way-gif-9978507297914181555

[fresh umbra]

it was a bug i reloaded save and it fixed

[golden nexus]

it sinks the lot btw, the PA chews though pet coke at 720/min

[near siren]

Does anyone else find the game crashes?

[dense violet]

nope, very stable in general

almost all the crashes I've ever had were mod related

[golden nexus]

Its strange optimization/uncommon. With the 10+10 plastic/rubber ref's. You use 7 to process the HOR and 1 to make packaged fuel/nobliks and then the rest of the pet coke makes time crystals.

[near siren]

Oh yea the game is very stable but every now and then it will just crash for no reason

[fresh umbra]

also i have another question, i disabled autopilot and deleted the path and disable nodes but they are still showing, how do i get rod of them?

[dense violet]

you could look in your 'events viewer' in windows. Might be a driver issue

[wispy osprey]

That might be an okay decision instead of tearing it down, I still have 4 more pure oil nodes in my map

[sullen gull]

Delete the route in the Q menu?

[near siren]

Ah yea I did that earlier it didnt saying anything specific for the crash

[sullen gull]

This PC?

[near siren]

Yea

I dont use mods either

[sullen gull]

Go to %localappdata%\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\Crashes and check the factorygame.log

[near siren]

Thanks

[onyx echo]

I made a skate park with the quarter pipes

[sullen gull]

Then scroll to the very bottom to find the crash reason.

[dusky hedge]

post it in screen shots

[onyx echo]

I will

It’s gotta upload to Xbox network rq

[near siren]

Oh has anyone played on mp yet? I have a freind asking if you enter someone else's world or whatever as a fresh player or with the gear from your world

[golden nexus]

yes, no you start a fresh charater for that server

[near siren]

Ah ok cool tyvm

Are you able to save the world to your PC or console if you join one?

[sullen gull]

If they give you the rights I believe

[near siren]

Sorry for the questions new to mp for this game just trying to find out if it's worth the effort to join a mp

[whole drum]

The host can share the save file

[near siren]

Ah cool as me and a few friends are going to start a world together I was curious

[onyx echo]

I just wish there was a better vehicle for it

[severe pewter]

I found a hard drive guarded by 4 radioactive hogs. Tried to drop a cluster bomb. Instead, the hog hit the bomb as I released it.

[whole drum]

Bombs are best released from above

[severe pewter]

I did. They shot me, causing it to blow up in my hand. It was instant death.

[terse rain]

is there a suggestion channel? I was gonna suggest adding customization to suits like u can for the helmets

[severe pewter]

Not on discord, but I think Satisfactory has their own forum for that

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @sullen gull

[leaden turret]

misreads as "can for helmets"

....

🥫⬛🥫
⬛

[leaden turret]

@void gorge sponsored-by-pepsi helmet for Mikael

[terse rain]

the cans are full of FICSIT approved beverages to "keep energy up" to "let you work for longer without getting tired!" to reduce those pesky "sleep breaks"

inspired by soldiers in WWII!

[sullen gull]

I mean, I do keep getting messages about drinking some Ficsit Bottled water ... havn't found one yet !

[spare cradle]

Does turbo fuel just enhance the amt of power a gen gives or does it just last longer?

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch fuel+generator

[severe pewter]

It goes further I believe

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel+generator

[terse rain]

turbo fuel just increases the power output of a fuel generator

compared to normal fuel

[spare cradle]

That's kinda what I thought

[terse rain]

rocket fuel is even better

[spare cradle]

That's surely phase 4

[sullen gull]

The duration in which it provides the output. The output doesn't change

[spare cradle]

I'm on the train phase

[void cliff]

uh, I am totally addicted to this game, but I wonder if anyone has ever played it 2,3, or 4-boxing the game to speed up certain activities / eliminate some of the travel activities in the early game. I.e. Just have one PC just where you're exploring on it, one that never leaves the main base, one that's maybe developing railroads / infrastructure, etc?

[sullen gull]

It's always dependant on clock rate. 250 standard, 625 at 250%

[feral jay]

No. The fuel used has no effect on a generator's power output.

Turbofuel lasts longer than regular fuel, and rocket fuel lasts longer than turbo, etc

[terse rain]

it says right on the wiki

[feral jay]

But a fuel generator at 100% will generate 250MW, regardless of the fuel used

[dusky hedge]

makes more sense to sy it will support more generators

[terse rain]

that the burn rate is lower but power generated is higher

[sullen gull]

You're misunderstanding the "energy" rating.

[feral jay]

It says nowhere that the power output is higher

[terse rain]

there's a table

[spare cradle]

Blue crater is good for rocket fuel

[feral jay]

It does say that turbofuel contains more energy than regular fuel, but that's different

[dusky hedge]

the power output is indeed higher per liter/gallon of fuel

[void cliff]

it has more energy per unit of fuel.

[sullen gull]

The more "energy" something can prdouce means that it "lasts longer" in the fuel generator.

[feral jay]

Yes, that's correct

[terse rain]

so more fuel generators for the same volume of fuel= more power

[feral jay]

You can genrate more power with the same volume of fuel, but each generator will generate 250MW at 100%, no matter what

[drowsy prawn]

Question I just started the game but which is better a setup an manifold setup or balancer setup in early game ?

[terse rain]

omg

run now

they're coming

[sullen gull]

Blanacers are a niche thing and only needed if one feels they must have one.

[spare cradle]

DO you wanna know?

[void cliff]

whichever one is simpler, usually a manifold, but if you're doing 3 machines, load balancing is simpler

[sullen gull]

Otherwise you can manifold everything.

[terse rain]

it's too late now...

[severe pewter]

Balancers are much more robust. manifolds take up less space and are easier

[feral jay]

runs away with his balancers

[dusky hedge]

with biofuel automation balance is key, but most things its a matter ot efficiency

[drowsy prawn]

Umm did I just accidentally start some controversial thing here ?

[feral jay]

Basically, manifold everything, unless there's a specific reason to balance

[drowsy prawn]

Ok

[void cliff]

learn everything. there's always a good reason to do a load balancer.

[feral jay]

Well or not, I mean, it's your game, but trust us, manifolds are just easier

[terse rain]

balancers are good at distributing the input materials so the machines being supplied can run at full efficiency (assuming you are supplying enough for all of them) almost right away.

manifolds if done right take a bit longer to get going at full speed but after that they run JUST as efficiently with less space needed to set them up.

[dusky hedge]

its a war between the guys who do things efficiently and the guys who did it already 🤣

[spare cradle]

Anyways, yummy lil packaged liquid biofuel factory #screenshots message

[dense violet]

robust in what way?

[feral jay]

You have no idea how much this has been discussed and how entrenched peoples' opinions are

[severe pewter]

Oh yeah. Balancers go 0 - 100% when turned on. Manifolds ramp up slowly as the machines fill up one at a time.

[spare cradle]

You can't truly automate biofuel

[sullen gull]

I never understood the "takes longer" to get up to full speed. I have never done one balancer and all my machines are usually at 98~100% with 5 minutes 🤷‍♂️

[dusky hedge]

correct, but if you dont automate it at all youi are in for some suffering

[feral jay]

I think the point is that it's better balanced, otherwise it can take quite some time to ramp up to full power production if you're running your bioburners on manifolds

[spare cradle]

I suspect balancers are more of a within 30 seconds 100% thing.

[dense violet]

you really don't need a balancer for bio fuel. Just let it over flow

[void cliff]

you mostly can, especially if you use animal remains and sloops and it will last for a long time

[spare cradle]

Oh btw, how do you get SAM.

[dense violet]

from a node you find

[spare cradle]

or was it NAM

[feral jay]

Same as any other ore, it's just harder to find

[fast ruin]

i've seen a video where a full manifold on a setup would take 22 min to have all machine working 100% where as a balancer would be ready in 1in

[sullen gull]

I would doubt that honestly. It takes an avg of 5 minutes for the game to accurately calc it all any how.

[dusky hedge]

oh hell no, if i let my bio fuel gens fill up i would have had to wait longer for power, i was only on bio for a short time

[terse rain]

if you are considering a manifold what I like to do is:
block the output of the machines till they have all backed up.
this fills up the outputs which puts em all into idle.
and after they stop making the product the input materials fill up the machine.
after the machine is FULL then the input belts back up.

after everything is fully stopped from being backed up then you un-block the output. this lets the machines start working almost all at once in like 5 mins.

just make sure the input demand is being met 1:1 because if they demand more than they get then regardless of manifold or balancer- they WILL idle.

[void cliff]

a lot of variables, but you can put downstream machines to 1% output for a little while and saturate the belts

[dense violet]

it also takes a lot more planning time and space to build. And you can jsut hand feed a manifold t ocut the spin up time

or just go do something else. Literally anything else

[drowsy prawn]

Oh another question what material should I grind for before getting to tier 3 ?

[sullen gull]

Especially if one explorers early game and finds some sloops. can sloop biomass chain and rarely ever have to top it off until you get to coal.

[dense violet]

if you have dozens of bio burners where it becomes an issue you have much more serious problems

[sullen gull]

Just worry bout making the parts for the space elevator

[feral jay]

I'll say it again, just manifold everything, unless there's a specific reason to balance

[dense violet]

the milestones are your guide

[sullen gull]

Er yeah, and milestones too 😛

[severe pewter]

As soon as the items reach the machines, they're 100%

[dusky hedge]

i built 14 gens, 1 solid con and 2 bio cons, they ran near 100 percent efficiently and non eof them ever filled up, so i didnt waste time being under powered

15 is perfect but i like to be safe

[dense violet]

bio burners change their burn speed depending on demand. what your'e talking about is nonsense

[sullen gull]

Eh, kinda easy to have bio gens stay at 100 😛

[dense violet]

they will only burn what is needed unlike other power sources

[terse rain]

guys I have a problem... I can't find my "coffee" cup

[severe pewter]

Buy another

[sullen gull]

This

[sullen gull]

Ok, now that IS a problem 🤣

[dusky hedge]

not unless youi are consuming the power

[dense violet]

if you need 202.24mw of power, they will, as a whole burn exactly that fuel for that power

there is no balancing needed

[dusky hedge]

if they werent running efficiently they would have filled up from idling

[dense violet]

they never idel if power draws. I think you have some critical misunderstanding on how they work

[near siren]

Is there a stats page ingame like how much you have produced, how much power you have/consumed etc?

[dusky hedge]

correct, so if i am not drawing all the power, then they run less efficiently and burn less fuel and start to fill up

[dense violet]

that is not how they work

🤦

[near siren]

Aw that would be a cool kinda info

[feral jay]

It's pretty much #1 on my wish list for this game, some kind of centralized command&control functionality

[sullen gull]

No, You can find that stuff by uploading your save to SCIM

[dense violet]

they always burn exactly what they need to , making them "100% efficient" all the time

[dusky hedge]

i mean efficient to what it input into the machine

[terse rain]

fuel generators will consume fuel at the same rate as long as it's supplied. if they are producing more power than you are consuming they DON'T care. they will still consume JUST as much fuel.

[dense violet]

you'd have to be hand feeding exactly the burn rate of a variable system al lthe time. Which is not realistically possible

[near siren]

Like I'd like to k ow how many animals my AI tractors have killed by hit and run lol

[sullen gull]

There is no "effencicy" metric because, since YOU are the source, it's a bit scewed 😏

[dense violet]

pls, jsut stop .

[sullen gull]

😏

[feral jay]

No, they will not. (oops my bad I thought you were talking about bioburners)

[dusky hedge]

i had 2 containers, each feeding a constructor with leaves, my goal was to use all the power i had available and add a gen when i need more

[terse rain]

elaborate

[dusky hedge]

its a rush to coal, time of the essence

[feral jay]

see edit sorry

[dense violet]

I was gonna say xD

[feral jay]

I'd hope after 3k+ hours I've figured out that basic mechnic lol

[dense violet]

yeah I was worried I'd have to have call 0-0-0 for you

[golden nexus]

heh just solved my Sulphur logestics with sam :S

[dense violet]

or ... 911 I guess

[sullen gull]

Where is 000 used?

[golden nexus]

I guess my power supply is now partly running on limestone 🙂

[feral jay]

No, 0118 999 881 999 119 725 3

[dense violet]

that's fro ma comedy skit right?

[feral jay]

The IT Crowd

The new and improved emergency services number

[wise junco]

oh man, I haven't heard that for a minute

[feral jay]

I just rewatched the series, it was fresh in my head

[fresh umbra]

is there a way to enable builds to show on the map?

[spare cradle]

Don't rush, deforestation

[sullen gull]

Hmmm should have chose that over Falling Skies 😒

[sullen gull]

Not without mods

[feral jay]

Nope, but you can upload your save to https://satisfactory-calculator.com for that, it's a great site

[dusky hedge]

the bank robbery one always jumps out first for me

[feral jay]

LOL I just threw that quote out there too, I can't remember what for though

[golden nexus]

which quote?

[dusky hedge]

walkin it in

[feral jay]

"You wouldn't kill a piloceman, then steal his hat, and then shit in his hat, and then mail his hat to his grieving widow. And then steai it again?"

Such a great series

Shame it was so short

[sullen gull]

I need to put that and letterkenny on my list.

[dusky hedge]

how they could trust the internet to one woman for show and tell is beyond me

[oak nymph]

Bruh have you seen the recipe of adaptive control unit 😭😭😭 how

[golden nexus]

ITs easy 😛

[oak nymph]

Wdym easy it requires every hard to make material

[feral jay]

Oh, my sweet summer child...

[fresh umbra]

how do i find my save files?

[sullen gull]

%localappdata%\Local\FactoryGame\Saved\SaveGames

[feral jay]

If you hover over the upload icon on the map I believe a tooltip pops up telling you exactly where

[leaden turret]

#faq exists, remember

[sullen gull]

I've just gotten so used to having it at the ready 😛

[dusky hedge]

posted mine in screenshots, its not that bad
dont know how to share th elink

[sullen gull]

Right click on image, copy link

[dusky hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1457575277956960492/11.png?ex=695c8042&is=695b2ec2&hm=1c82a62eb1887f19c2a8aa94ea6dfbbcd823426cb0b557f44440d0e4ac46de5d&

ah ty, it showed a massive string i figured it would look like that

[sullen gull]

I'm partial to the 2D layout vs curves 😛

[wispy osprey]

Man i thought I was messing up pipe logistics

Plastic outputs less heavy residue than rubber

[dusky hedge]

looks neater but harder to find specific numbers imo

[spare cradle]

What does the red forest look like?

[wispy osprey]

Red

[spare cradle]

What do the trees look like

[dusky hedge]

main thing about adaptive control is that its not a forever item, so you can use existing production to get it done then turn off later

[wispy osprey]

Like trees

[sullen gull]

Eh, I probably spend WAY to much time organizing and separating to combat that 🤣

[spare cradle]

Thick base? Just like trees?

[wispy osprey]

I'm kidding, red forest looks nice

[dusky hedge]

#screenshots message
this is my next step, but i started with power and trains and got distracted and got distracted
then kind havent been able to play for 3 days 🙁

why does my link open in a browser instead of in discord?

[oak nymph]

It look so easy on the picture

[warm finch]

Anyone got the pipe manual by any chance?

[sullen gull]

Beacause you clicked copy image link instead of message link

[dense violet]

pinned in #math-and-meta

[warm finch]

Hell yeah awesome. good to see you again cobalt!

[whole drum]

You can find it on the wiki too

[dense violet]

ello! 😛 what's the actual pipe issue? probably a quick solve

[dusky hedge]

ty ty

[warm finch]

Teaching a new player I managed to suck into satisfactory over the steam sale. gonna send it to them. they're mad their coal plants are not filling up and I'm giggling like a school girl

[dense violet]

!wikisearch CG

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[dense violet]

just show them this diagram.

[whole drum]

You still haven't activated Windows? You monster!

[dense violet]

a lot of the stuff in the manual is.. technical stuff they'll probably never use

[warm finch]

yeah I plan to do that as well. still fun to throw the manual at them though.

[dense violet]

it'll probably overload a new person

[whole drum]

The first half of manual is useful to anyone. The second half is more technical that most people probably don't need.

[warm finch]

nah not this guy. he got really deep into redstone stuff in minecraft

[dusky hedge]

i think the biggest thing i need to learn is which items are forever items and which ones we ont need later on
no need to make a self contained factory for an item that becomes obsolete
i managed to et a list from googles ai after arguing with it for a bit

[dense violet]

cooool, as long as you point out the sections that are important

[warm finch]

agreed, I love that manual. I reference it every now and then

[oak nymph]

Wasn't it phase 5? So it's the end?

[whole drum]

I like to point people to page 10 in particular to demonstrate how Valves can cause more problems than they solve if you don't use them precisely correctly

[dusky hedge]

4

[whole drum]

And then show them that Pumps will usually do what you want Valves to

[severe pewter]

Gonna drag Artax out of the swamp real quick for this one, but the biggest general use I could see for priority mergers would be for shared lines that lead to a sink, or to storage then sink:

dump all the loot in a general container, and let the game auto-store or sink it, but if the sink line is primarily used for production, then it might be necessary to set the loot merging to low priority.

[dense violet]

just have a smart splitter before the storage with over flow settings

[feral jay]

I honestly haven't found much use for them yet since they were introduced, I've used them eactly once

[sullen gull]

Smart splitters?

[severe pewter]

Smart mergers

[feral jay]

priority mergers

Smart splitters I use everywhere

[severe pewter]

I think they'd mostly come in handy with shared sink lines

[leaden turret]

• pritters
• smitters
• pergers

[whole drum]

I have a hard time thinking of a use case for priority mergers that isn't more easily solved another way

[dense violet]

you definitely don't want a belt that needs to flow to a sink be every stopped by any priority as that gives it the option to back up

[leaden turret]

deliberately not shortening priority mergers to pregers because implications fo mispronouncing it

[severe pewter]

I'm talking about that line being priority, and merging misc junk in as low

[dense violet]

then the misc junk would back up and probably stutter the system

if its important to not have the systsem stutter, give it a continuous sink line

if you don't care of the production ever stops, don't ever bother sinking it

[whole drum]

There's also the case that a prio merger only is useful if you need to transport more than the belt limit, but then you run into the thing you don't want to prio causing it to back up and stop

[feral jay]

but tickets...

[dense violet]

again... systems are statick production lines. The only examples I've seen of people doing that is with like empty containers into like dilued packaged fuel? but the much simpler option is ot just cram a bunch in at the start and let it be. You're just creating a complicated filling system taht will, eventually, just stutter the package production anyway.

just extra hoops to jump through for no real reason

[terse rain]

I have successfully figured out wtf I was thinking last time I played on this save. the numbers do infact add up!

but I need more rubber and plastic so

[feral jay]

It's always great finding out that you are not, in fact, an idiot

[gritty zealot]

Who's up factorising rn??

[whole drum]

It's more fun to realize how you were but no longer are

[terse rain]

I wouldn't say that. I had a MK4 belt where I needed a mk5

trying to force 525 items a minute through a mk 4 belt just doesn't work

[dusky hedge]

haha, i upgraded my pc but i moved all my old parts into another case so if i have issues on this machine i can stil work
seems ok so far but havnet made the step yet

[spare cradle]

Hmm, does rocket fuel take a hard drive to unlock

[whole drum]

I'm just teasing. I use Linux because Win11 went too far.

[dusky hedge]

unti i activate i cant customise my taks bar at all 😐

but a lot o work went int o gettint my old pc how i like it

[whole drum]

Well, unless you play games that use kernel level anti-cheat, Linux does fine for most of them

[dusky hedge]

i want to move to linux but keep putting it off, now i have 2pc i should get it done

[whole drum]

If you don't have previous experience with Linux, I recommend Nobara for gaming or Mint in general, as they are very user friendly and don't require a lot of tinkering out of the box.

Watch some tutorials on flatpaks and common command line operations as well

Doesn't take too much to get a basic grip on it

[oak nymph]

Why do I have the trinket for supporting early access I got the game one week ago?

[whole drum]

Game is forever Early Access

Just like how Warframe is still in Beta 😄

[dusky hedge]

so sad what happened to warframe

[sullen gull]

Should we mention StarCitizen? 😛

[whole drum]

You mean the Nuviri stuff?

[dusky hedge]

is it not plural yet 😄

[dusky hedge]

all the girly time wasting stuff

[whole drum]

?

[dusky hedge]

rounding up sheep, flying on horses

[whole drum]

So yeah, Nuviri

Err, my bad... it's Duviri

[dusky hedge]

if a 6 year old girl looks at and says awe, then its a girly game

[whole drum]

Misremembering, rofl

[dusky hedge]

the games i play are generally th eones that girls say wtf are you playing that for

like satisfactory

[whole drum]

Yeah, gotta spike the tism like a volley ball

[lean sonnet]

can someone pop into screenshots and let me know if either is actually worth it? neither of them are to me but Idk the "tech" people got nowaday on satisfactory

[warm finch]

you haven't showed them the lizarddoggo

[dusky hedge]

do girls like lizard things now? 😮

[warm finch]

there are plenty of HDs to get all the recipes in the game. don't worry about it. pick one and go if you cannot reroll

[whole drum]

Both are good. Choose the one you'll use.

[dusky hedge]

i know a 24 yo thats horrified by moths

soft fluffy moths

[whole drum]

Ever seen moths under a microscope? The fear some people have of them isn't so irrational.

[dusky hedge]

fragile delicate moths

[lean sonnet]

would you say to reroll? I can I just wasn't sure.
tbh I never really cared to use alternate recipes, but I want to start.

[calm mango]

Understandable

[whole drum]

The copper one is super useful for getting a lot more copper

[feral jay]

Both are kinda meh IMO, I'd just leave them in the library and gather more drives

[warm finch]

oh definitely use alt recipes. Many of them are great! some are critically essential. Some are completely useless.

[lean sonnet]

5 iron and 5 copper to make 10 copper doesn't really seem that effective to me unless there is an abundance of iron, which I'm struggling with a bit currently

[warm finch]

Iron is the most abundant node on the map

[golden nexus]

It is when you consider the setup time of a building as well as the material costs

[spare cradle]

True

[golden nexus]

200/min = 2 foundries vs 6.666 smelters

[whole drum]

Iron is the 2nd most plentiful resource (behind water), and the recipe not only serves to generate more available copper, but it does a ton of it at once per machine. Saves not having to build football fields full of smelters.

[lean sonnet]

not sure how far a scan goes but I scanned where I'm based and the only 3 that show are the ones I've already got, sadly.
gotta go runnin around lol

[lean sonnet]

ah yeah that makes more sense than what I was thinking

[dusky hedge]

is pure copper the best? ive been runing on one pure node the whole game and havent needed any alts for it

[spare cradle]

Coated cable or Recycled rubber

[spare cradle]

Broda, expand ya factory

[warm finch]

yes

[calm mango]

There's no limit, it pings the 3 closest nodes iirc

[lean sonnet]

ah, alright

[golden nexus]

yeah this is fine 🙂 if you use copper well you need very little

[warm finch]

more than that

[spare cradle]

... Which one

[whole drum]

Wait until you need copper powder

[calm mango]

Look up satisfactory calculator, I'm pretty sure it has a map you can find nodes with

[lean sonnet]

idk cause only 3 are pinging for me.

[lean sonnet]

Thank you

[calm mango]

I've only ever seen three so

[calm mango]

Np, that website and the wiki have been hard carrying me to phase 3

[coarse egret]

Guys does the drone are a good things to use ?

[dusky hedge]

thats on my next project, but i have trains going past a few nodes

[spare cradle]

Hmm

Coke steel

[warm finch]

Pinged you in #screenshots, in that one there's 7+ showing up on the ping for iron

[warm finch]

yes

[calm mango]

Yeah yeah I'm loading up the game to see if I'm going crazy

[warm finch]

I love that this game and discord are still alive and kicking now

[oak nymph]

Can I build a ladder into space?

[calm mango]

There's a height limit iirc

[spare cradle]

about 2km iirc

[calm mango]

Yeah something like that

[warm finch]

height limited, and there's a lower limit as well. go below that limit and you die. same for map edges

[oak nymph]

I build a long ladder I got further than the thing on the space elevator

[spare cradle]

I found the south one

[warm finch]

that's a popular one to exploit

[spare cradle]

?

[calm mango]

I think it's figured it out

[warm finch]

ooops not south, sorry. was thinking of a different one. some areas of the map edge, you can go beyond the "official" border before you start taking damage. gives you a nice flat surface to build mega projects. there's 2-3 areas like that I think

[calm mango]

More than a certain distance away it does 3, but if you're right next to like 7 iron nodes itll ping all 7

[spare cradle]

Which one then

[warm finch]

therer's one to the west of the northwest coast

[dusky hedge]

@spare cradle are youi looking for a good start loacation?

[warm finch]

there's one to the far southeast. and irrc there's one to the north

you can search here or google elsewhere and see where people have gone to build mega powerplant projects

[spare cradle]

No. I'm alr started and getting to making a petrol power plant

[warm finch]

fuel 😆

[spare cradle]

Though, I do need to rework / make new factories.

[spare cradle]

Potato potato

[dusky hedge]

i thought i saw iron on the scan

[calm mango]

So real

[warm finch]

This is the way

[spare cradle]

You can look on the map when you ping to see their location.

[calm mango]

The more I play the more spaghetti my base gets

[warm finch]

what milestone are you on?

[calm mango]

I've just got oil, so I know I'm not even close to full pasta power

[warm finch]

Oh you got a long ways to go still yet before worrying about how spagheti your bases are. Don't worry about it. You'll get to a certain point where you feel ready to tear it all down and rebuild everything in a neat, orderly way. but that's WAY later

lots of goodies to unlock still which is fun

[golden nexus]

unlock the stuff before you consider rebuilding tbh

[calm mango]

says I've got a long way to go
aw man you've got a long way to go

[spare cradle]

I'm getting there, but a small project at a time. Just like my lil jetpack station

[golden nexus]

also helps a lot to not approach it on the mentality of "having a main base"

[whole drum]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1456610683482406962
Embrace the spaghetti

[warm finch]

How do you eat an elephant?

[spare cradle]

With a knife.

[warm finch]

1 bite at a time

[calm mango]

Honestly I think my base is too far gone as is, I've already moved to another set of iron nodes for more neat placements

And honestly I might move my hub and once I get oil just cut off my old base

[warm finch]

this is also the way

[spare cradle]

Oh, I'm all over the place to the point I need trucks to transport between districts

[oak nymph]

Tbh I just need to build 2 factory and I'm done with phase 3

[calm mango]

Obviously still use it until I get my new one all up to code

[golden nexus]

there is no shortage of iron nodes

[spare cradle]

I have like... 5~ factories

[calm mango]

Ik, that's why I moved to another one lol

[spare cradle]

Don't move, just replicate and make moar

[warm finch]

don't tear down your old one. Send everything to sink for tickets or to boost your production.

[golden nexus]

One approach is to get the demensional depot sorted out, then outsource parts of the factory and then remove them when complete

[dusky hedge]

what woul dbe interesting is after completing the game, unlocking everything would be to delete everything in the editor and try a speed run from there
after having built a successful setup it would be only a matter of building it all efficiently

[oak nymph]

Do you know why a alpha spitter can spawn on my foundation

[warm finch]

no live power locally. Gotta have power locally in order to stop them from respawning

[oak nymph]

How much locally

[spare cradle]

Power towers don't count I think

[calm mango]

Dead ass where'd I say I was gonna tear it down 😭

[calm mango]

True but I don't wanna go exploring yet

[dense violet]

hundred meters from a machine probably ? there's likely more specific info on the wiki

[spare cradle]

Move it = tear down and set up there

[oak nymph]

QC?

[warm finch]

yes you do lol

need to explore a bit to unlock stuff in MAM

[calm mango]

And I don't want to do that yet

[spare cradle]

It took me till petrol to find SAM.

[warm finch]

yes you do. do you have blade runners?

[spare cradle]

Get the br and bounce

[calm mango]

Qc?

[calm mango]

No idear what that is

[dense violet]

do the basic MAM stuff, blade runners , zip line, guns ect. then go exploring. The MAM is suuuuper valuable

[calm mango]

Nah

[dense violet]

the best piece of gear you'll never take off

[warm finch]

build the MAM ASAP then. I won't spoiler it for you

[spare cradle]

[calm mango]

Have it, don't use it

[oak nymph]

Quebec?

[spare cradle]

Yes, you will. Or else you wouldn't progress

[dense violet]

you're missing out on tons of critical content then

[calm mango]

What the fuck are you talking about fam

[oak nymph]

Nvm

[spare cradle]

🇨🇦

[calm mango]

Well no duh

[spare cradle]

[calm mango]

But he replied to me with "QC?" And I was confused 😭

[leaden turret]

-# land of maple syrup-drenched poutine

[calm mango]

It's fine

[warm finch]

the only way to eat poutine....

[calm mango]

I would rather sort my shit out and then go exploring yk

[dense violet]

the mam has most of the gear you need for exploring

[warm finch]

Let them do their thing. we've seen this before. they always comeback

[spare cradle]

You will have 30 containers of iron plates if you don't explore

[calm mango]

I already do wdym

[spare cradle]

And nothing to do with them

[calm mango]

My base is wildly inefficient man I've got build up of everything everywhere

[spare cradle]

Else than mk1 conveyer spaghetti

[dense violet]

you can go up the milestones w/o the mam. Just missing out on tons of stuff

[calm mango]

HEY, my spaghetti is mk3 conveyors tyvm

[spare cradle]

They just nice

[calm mango]

I'm no pleb

[spare cradle]

That's even worse

Mk2 is much nicer

[calm mango]

Not when I have 2 containers full of beams

[calm mango]

How

[spare cradle]

Math

[warm finch]

be nice lol

[calm mango]

I've just figured out the math

Post spaghettifcation

Hence the new base at a different iron node

[spare cradle]

good

what map are you on?

[calm mango]

The first one I think

[dense violet]

there's only 1 map xD

[smoky trench]

the different choices are just spawn zones

[calm mango]

M

[spare cradle]

oooooooooooh

oh, alr.

Then, go to 1751, 2051 I think

[calm mango]

For why

[spare cradle]

oil

[calm mango]

Bruh

[smoky trench]

btw MAM is like really really useful bc if you go down alien tech and get the dimensional depot you dont need all of your resources directly in your inventory slots to build

[spare cradle]

And other stuff

[calm mango]

I just unlocked it

[calm mango]

Yes yes I watch the videos telling me what the stuff does

I know the mam is neat but I highkey don't use stuff like stat buffs in games, like ever

[spare cradle]

They arent stat boosts

[calm mango]

Basically

[spare cradle]

They is what kills the very dangerous wildlife

[dusky hedge]

running in slow motion forever could have its good points i guess

[smoky trench]

once you need more advanced resources you'll want blade runners and jetpack so you dont have to build to climb everything

[calm mango]

In MY head which you don't have access to they are adjacent

[coral marsh]

They arent buffs bro

[calm mango]

So idc about them

[calm mango]

#satisfactory message

[dense violet]

they raelly aren't 'stat boosts', they are tools yo udon't have access to through the milestones in the hub. They are just a different tech tree

[spare cradle]

Also turbofuel, and fuel, and more inventory, and everything else

[sullen gull]

Then miss out 🤷‍♂️ Your game

[golden nexus]

The game requires you do these items lmao

[coral marsh]

Whether or not you wanna think they are, by way of mechanic and concept, they are not stat buffs to the player

[calm mango]

I will tyvm

[spare cradle]

Have you listened to Ada?\

[smoky trench]

def not for the first 3 tiers

idk abt tier 4 tho

[spare cradle]

Oil is Tier 5 :P

[coral marsh]

You actually miss out on a great deal especially with healing items if you dont go down the megafauna tree

[golden nexus]

It will later, it makes you do hi-speed / crystal oss eventually, you need the others for power etc...

[warm finch]

Who's Ada?

[calm mango]

The pessimistic robot

[leaden turret]

[sullen gull]

Hope you enjoy not using DD's or having weapons, a jetpack, rocket fuel, etc

[coral marsh]

Things like rocket fuel, ionized fuel and weapons as well in sulfur and quartz, some recipes actually require silica to make as well which is made from quartz

[calm mango]

"if you don't automate all puppy's will DIE"- ADA

[spare cradle]

I, personally, haven't touched much of the quartz tree bc... I have other projects and the quartz veins ik are too solitary.

[spare cradle]

A voice :)

[sullen gull]

If you're already making the parts? why wouldn't you?

[smoky trench]

you get blade runners?

[spare cradle]

I havent made any crystal oss

[warm finch]

They are. grab a few portable miners and mine 500-800 worth real quick and bring it back to back. plenty to do research with that.

[smoky trench]

those are the most important part of quartz tree

[spare cradle]

I got that thing, just not farther

[warm finch]

voices? what are voices? I don't hear voices.

[golden nexus]

Just means you don't get co, explorer, radar towers etc....

[sullen gull]

Could always just go to the Doggo cave and find a pair 😛

[spare cradle]

RADAR!?>

[smoky trench]

its at the bottom of the tree

[spare cradle]

My plans have shifted

[coral marsh]

There are alt recipes for a very select few materials that do away witu silica or quartz, but genuinely, for the extremely endgame items, you 100% need to explore and unlock things in the skill tree. It's required to use so not using it, is putting yourself in an extreme version of hardcore mode or just fking yourself over anyway. So use ir bro

[oak nymph]

Yé

[golden nexus]

Yeah... it shows all nodes on map in area and stuff

[dusky hedge]

can youi transport doggos on trains?

[spare cradle]

That would be nice

[warm finch]

yes. but the real question is, how long until it falls off the train?

[dusky hedge]

ive never fallen off a train

in game 😮

[leaden turret]

not in the way you're thinking, probably https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q="lizard doggo" AND train

[spare cradle]

I def have a ways to go before I start telling true facts

[warm finch]

it sucks lol

[sullen gull]

Make sure you make a vehicle, record a route, and stand in front of the vehicle and get ragdolled 😏

[golden nexus]

Finally ionized fuel 🙂

[spare cradle]

Ive personally ran into the back of a sugarcube that I have automated

[sullen gull]

Time for some zoom zoom! 😛

[coral marsh]

Dark-ion fuel is one of thee best alt recipes in the game

[sullen gull]

Let it run you over 😉

[warm finch]

disagreed. deluded fuel is. along with heavy oil residue.

[spare cradle]

nu.

[golden nexus]

Just got a makeshift one for now, I dont have canisters anywhere near where they need to be

[coral marsh]

If you want to make synthetic power shards in a different area to your fuel gens then dark ion works well

[sullen gull]

There is a reward 😏

[golden nexus]

Yeah, I have fuel plant in NF and Shards in RD

[spare cradle]

called death :D

[sullen gull]

No, it doesn't kill you

Just ragdolls'

[coral marsh]

I might however, get off my arse and finally setup dark matter residue and train my synth power shards to my fuel gens and use the original recipe

[golden nexus]

I do have sam in the NF / Fuel plant, I am actually using it to make additional sulphur

[coral marsh]

Nice

Also, when I get DMR setup finally, ill have 96k power shards in roughly 5.3 hours

So I can definitely train the shards over to my fuel gens

[sullen gull]

Besides, I'm not that mean 🤣

[spare cradle]

Lemme write down what I need...

the projects ahead I mean.

[dusky hedge]

i think doggo train is my next project when i can play again
nothin suss

[golden nexus]

The power plant... #screenshots message

[spare cradle]

[warm finch]

unlock signs. they are VERY helpful for this in game

[spare cradle]

I have, and that is what is next

[sullen gull]

Legitimately though, there is an Achievement for it 😏

[spare cradle]

BILLBOARDS.

[spare cradle]

Name of it?

[warm finch]

need quartz for that. have fun

[coral marsh]

Hey, yall think we'll ever get map DLC's or future progress expansions? I'd love to be able to explore more of the map, theres clearly a shit ton to see, like the snowy mountains. More nodes in those areas too would be fun

[spare cradle]

Ik that

[warm finch]

woudl rather we see satisfactory 2 before a DLC. devs did a GREAT job with this game

[golden nexus]

What i would like to see is a trader mode, which is more like you do contracts for ore or something along those lines. Might make for an interesting efficency gameplay loop / game mode

[coral marsh]

Thats fair, but imo, map DLC's would be fun

[cursive crane]

Theyve expressed that it would be extremely difficult to implement any more map additions dlc or not.

[leaden turret]

December 9th, 2025
Q&A: Are any new Maps coming to the game?

never say never

[coral marsh]

Given how well the game is optimized, makes sense

[dusky hedge]

have youi looked into mods?

[sullen gull]

Look Both ways next time

[warm finch]

don't disagree. but I think with satisfactory 2, they could try to add RMG which w ould make the game virtually replayable.

[feral jay]

I generally don't like DLC's but a new map, I'd pay for that DLC

[cursive crane]

Tldr we wont know until they announce it themselves in any case lol

[spare cradle]

I got that by running into the back end of it, using that sprint crouch tech

[leaden turret]

they don't like procgen

[golden nexus]

Yeah, Most fall short / break or don't really fit whats needed / idea, a lot of mods out there are just game breakers / no based on good game design

[coral marsh]

I honestly wanna see more highly advanced machines, shit that makes even a particle accelerator or a quantum encoder look like an assembler

[spare cradle]

its twice effective bc jetpack :D

[sullen gull]

Have you bounced on the Bean? 😛

[spare cradle]

Yes

[leaden turret]

it took us 6-8 years to get a flushing toilet.

we're still waiting on the hot tub.

[coral marsh]

LMFAO

[sullen gull]

Sunk a coupon? 🤣

[feral jay]

And golf

[spare cradle]

No.

[golden nexus]

there is giant hottub thing.. but its green 😛

[coral marsh]

I hope they never add golf, its the most boring sport ever invented

[leaden turret]

golf is not an advanced machine

-# was making joke about the flushable toilet being the most advanced 1.0 machine

[dusky hedge]

replacing a building full of sinks with traders cosmetically, having counters on belts, it couldnt be that difficult if the right modder was motivated

[sullen gull]

And squsihy 😛

[feral jay]

That's the whole point lol

[cursive crane]

we're still waiting on the hot tub. golf.

[coral marsh]

As a time killer, fair but in general, no i hope it never gets added

[leaden turret]

golf is boring.

given the kind of games people make for factory carts, imagine the kind of courses people would build for golf

[spare cradle]

"What a thrill~"

[calm mango]

Yes because sequels are know for being as good as the first lol
-# sarcasm obviously

[coral marsh]

Ive tried golf, I would genuinely rather suffer from Epididymitus again, for a third time

[leaden turret]

also for all intents and purposes, a golf ball is just a nobelisk that rolls instead of sticks

[spare cradle]

I can't stop thinking of Metal gear

[golden nexus]

Its more than that. Its like contract for ore style of approach of moving though the game. Issue with people who have "played the game" is they don't want to run the map again and again etc.. but there i no way in game to get sloops/spheres for exp players. There is also a big attrition rate in game around T6-7 or so especially in multiplayer which means there is "problems" eg people burn out / quit for the same reasons. So they need a different game mode by the looks of it

[spare cradle]

bc of that one achievement

[leaden turret]

PSA for everyone in the chat: do not google that word

[coral marsh]

Yea

[sullen gull]

Which one?

[spare cradle]

Literally named: What a thrill

[sullen gull]

Oh, world height.

[leaden turret]

-# sounds like you have a sore spot for ball sports

[calm mango]

PSA for you: telling people to NOT do something will most definitely make someone do said thing

[sullen gull]

Don't research anything in the MAM.. It's Horrible!

[spare cradle]

even features the ladder

[dense violet]

don't look up goatsee.
some people have no self control 😛

[sullen gull]

Omfg.. Have not heard that one in yeeeeears lol

[cursive crane]

Hot take: the perceived attrition rate in the middle of the game is perfectly normal for most video games, and not on the devs to solve.

Im tired of people thinking peak playerbase is supposed to stay at 100% for 2 decades after a games release.

[calm mango]

Lucky for me i don't conform to basic human psychology so I WONT do MAM research

[spare cradle]

Now I have motivation once more

Peace.

[coral marsh]

I cant say what pain ive suffered, in this server or this chat, so ill just say, yea I do lmao

[golden nexus]

Its way higher than average....