satisfactory

[median geyser]

Either lack of pressure or your pipes didnt connect to it properly, which happens suspiciously often

[lapis shadow]

Are you at a resource well instead of an oil node? Extractors are for oil nodes and resource well extractors are for resource wells. Oil extractors cannot work/cannot be placed on oil reource wells. You'd need a resource well extractor to get oil from those

[brazen cove]

it says crude oil, i believe it's a well?

i came here because i looked a place where i can start producing plastic

[lapis shadow]

Oil nodes just look like a pool of oil on the ground vs the oil wells look like a geyser, spewing out ooil

They both read crude oil when you look at them tho

[brazen cove]

then i'm at well since it looks like something exploded inside of the ground

[severe pewter]

They're very good at staying underfoot

[manic trench]

I might start again and just try to automate everything. But idk where is best place and what I should put where

[lapis shadow]

Yup definitely a well. I had the same mixup a while ago when I first unlocked extractors haha

[brazen cove]

haha, but what do i do with these things then?

[trim sundial]

Man, i just unlocked tiers 7 and 8 and now i see what people have said...i feel a massive steel weight over my head, the game just got very intimidating

[severe pewter]

Place the junction first, then the pipes. Make sure water is even reaching the pipes too, if it's up too high, it'll need proper headlift

That sounds like a memory error with things being unloaded from memory

[acoustic jewel]

Is there an app for this game like a guide of some sort

[lapis shadow]

The oil wells? You can't do anything with them until you unlock resource well extractors

[brazen cove]

what do i do with oil extractors and refinery then?

[zenith spire]

Probably. I killed it now it doesn’t respawn anymore. ADA said “that one had a family of four” 😂

[trim sundial]

There are oil "puddles" on the map you place the exctractors on

[brazen cove]

puddles? like little lakes?

[severe pewter]

The best place is the one you pick. Either plan around the environment, build a level platform on the environment, or build way up in the sky

[trim sundial]

Kinda of

More like someone dumped a few gallons of oil on t he ground

[lapis shadow]

You need to find oil nodes. The extractors pull the oil out of the node just like a water pump, refinery is just like another crafting apparatus but with liquids and byproducts introduced. Just find and oil node and try em out

[zenith spire]

Shit more like 20 gallons

[severe pewter]

I've just been playing with aesthetics while I warm myself up to the idea of aluminum

[trim sundial]

This is a better description lol

[brazen cove]

oh, and do i get acces to oil wells at 3rd phase?

[manic trench]

I mean as in for what resources should go to what factories. My current play through is litrally just all in starting area. My only out of area stuff is oil for fuel, plastic and rubber. And aluminium. Other than that everything is here. But idk what stuff to make at different factories

[severe pewter]

Use your magic TV remote to lead you to the nearest node

[zenith spire]

It doesn’t seem like we get resource extractors yet in phase 3 maybe 4 or 5

[versed cosmos]

8

[zenith spire]

Holy

[brazen cove]

that stinks...

[versed cosmos]

well tier 8

[brazen cove]

oh 3rd phase?

[versed cosmos]

phase 8

[zenith spire]

Oh, I thought it was phase at first lowkey lol

Oh shit

[manic trench]

Tier 8
Phase 3 completion

[versed cosmos]

wait no im tripping

not paying attention

yeah what jjwardy said

[lapis shadow]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map#3;-7194;112427|gameLayer| Lots of people including myself use this resource for finding nodess/planning etc. very handy

[zenith spire]

I’ve hardly got far in actual game progress, I’ve been just building shi & automating everything

[trim sundial]

Tier 7 and 8 is part of phase 4 thats where the resource WELLS are, the oil EXTRACTOR is in tier 5 and 6

[severe pewter]

That boils down to play style difference, whether you want to make everything locally, or centralize production. Both require different build styles, but neither is more correct

[clear tartan]

how much of a oil factory do i need for sustainable power

[brazen cove]

yea i use it and i thought there is only wells for oil, but there is actually nodes too lol

[manic trench]

That's what sucks tho. I Wana spread stuff out. But I have no idea what locations are better for what resources.

[lapis shadow]

Who knows 🤷‍♂️ Only the person making the factory will know what the plans are and thus how much power will be required

[manic trench]

I haven't even made a single blueprint yet. Used like 10 walls in my whole factory

[brazen cove]

well that sucks, is there a big diff between oil well and node?

[versed cosmos]

not much

[trim sundial]

Depends on your power requirements. One oil extractor, over clocked on a pure oil node can power at least 5 fuel generators which gives like 1,250 MWish

[severe pewter]

Alt recipes make that more convoluted too, though it also makes your options more flexible

[clear tartan]

what recipe should i use

[ember moon]

I think I should do a satisfactory world where the whole goal is to max out all the ores

[trim sundial]

Also depends on your situation and what recipes you have.

[ember moon]

What I mean by this:

Use all available resource nodes to have the most efficiant factory ever

[manic trench]

I'm basically stuck in the same situation I end up with most survival/sandbox games.
I want to do more and have more efficient stuff. But I don't have the skill too

[severe pewter]

Pick one thing and start there. Like if/when I want to build a PC, I either start with the motherboard or the CPU, and build everything around it.

If it's too much, then you're looking at too much at once.

[fresh umbra]

how can i get my flow rate up in a pipe

[clear tartan]

well all the ones you unlock for ooil

[rugged shard]

Should i make a place specifically for modular frames and space elevator parts? Or should I just connect to my main factory where it makes simple stuff like reinforced iron plates, screws, etc etc.. Bc those frames and space elevator parts to make they take up lot of peace

[manic trench]

Multiple pipes or upgraded pipes

[versed cosmos]

seperate factories are a lot easier

[fresh umbra]

i have a 3 way pipe connector and the flow is almost nothing past it but alot before it

[severe pewter]

I did, but you can still tie it in with the rest of factory production

[manic trench]

If it's uphill use a buffer or pumps

[fresh umbra]

i already have pumps the connector is at the top

[rugged shard]

Yea prob better making a new place

[rugged shard]

They take up ton of space

[severe pewter]

Okay, so leave the connector, delete the pipes attached to it, and re-place the pipes. See if that helps.

[severe pewter]

You can tie something in but still put it in the corner in timeout

[severe pewter]

If you have any pipes that are both curved and upward sloping, those shapes combined tend to cause problems with fluid physics

[lapis shadow]

I think you should do a no-conveyor run. Everythingn needs to be handfed other than liquids

[trim sundial]

i would keep it simple, you have a recipe for FUEL, its an orange liquid/picture of an orange pipe. You get it from pumping oil into a refinery to make something ELSE like plastic, the plastic recipe gives you PLASTIC and heavy oil which is purpoe, you send the plastic somewhere else in your factory but the purple heavy oil you send to ANOTER refinery, that refiner takes that purple oil and turns it into ORANGE fuel, that orange fuel gets pumped right into the fuel generators.

[clear tartan]

makes sense

[green fiber]

Did you only just unlock oil processing ?

[trim sundial]

I can show you my 5 generators if you want

[severe pewter]

The best part is that you can turn any kind of oil fluid by-product into any other kind of oil fluid by-product. Just need to figure out what to do with the rest.

Oh. But be prepared to use a lot of space.

[manic trench]

My entire plastic/rubber production fits into space of space elevator

[severe pewter]

If you measured using the long end of a refinery, you'd probably need at least... Like a 20 x 20 refinery lengths' worth of space, for a single max overclocked pure node.

Maybe 15x20. It's hard visualizing, I double-stacked my refineries

[severe pewter]

Is it just rubber and plastic?

[lilac bear]

Apparently you can store uranium in the dimensional depot without issue.

[ember moon]

YEAH BUT LIKE.. WHY

[lilac bear]

Wanted to see if ADA had a smart-ass comment about me trying it.

She doesn't

The game is totally 'fine, whatever' about it

[trim sundial]

@clear tartan I hope my screenshots help bring some kind of clarity into early fuel generator use

[ember moon]

nuclear power is fun

[clear tartan]

i get it a bit more now

[trim sundial]

Im a new player too so lessons are very fresh for me too lol

[wispy osprey]

#screenshots am I doing that right?

[manic trench]

Yup

[ember moon]

you only need 1

of those tall things

[wispy osprey]

Just one 40m riser?

Where do i put it

[trim sundial]

Now here is the trick, when you use refinerys you need to constantly keep the products of refinerys being consumed, if either of the two products from a refinery enter full storge and back up the refinery will stop and you will get nothing, so in the case of my plastics refinery the plastic goes into storage BUT it also goes into a SINK so my plastic line ALWAYS is getting used up SOMEWHERE, and the heavy purple oil is going into my fuel refinery so thats always getting used up, and the orange fuel goes into the generators so thats always getting used up as well.

[wispy osprey]

@ember moon

[upper gale]

is that water for the coal gens nearby?

[wispy osprey]

It's water testing for a packing plant

[wooden geyser]

Just started playing a new game on a dedi server.. once we unlock the Christmas stuff can we leave it out or does it delete at end of the event?

[dense violet]

what are you doing?

[wispy osprey]

Both ends at 600m³ are outputs

[wispy osprey]

Double output 595m³-600m³ single water plant example

[dense violet]

for what

[wispy osprey]

Water packaging

[dense violet]

ok so most of it is redundant and the buffers will actively wreck flow

[lapis shadow]

Is there no such thing as a splitter/machine that can easily divide loads into the custom amounts? Like there's no splitter wherein I can feed 120 items/m and then I can choose the rate of each output lane? Like I can send 90 items/m out the left and then 30 items/m out the right output with just one split? Having like 3+ layers of splitters just to get the right ratio is a headache at times. From what I can tell the the smart splitter and the programable splitter are incapable of what I described

[upper gale]

If it's gonna get packaged it doesn't really need a water tower

[severe pewter]

#screenshots message

Alt steel is on the left, rubber and plastic are in the center (with a tiny bit of turbo fuel in the back), next to them is the turbo fuel and generators (and battery storage), and I may or may not have illegally added in a dirty bit of production for turbo fuel containers - will fix that eventually. But the whole setup runs off 1200m³ of oil

[wispy osprey]

Buffers are temporary to test output

[ember moon]

hope what I just sent in screenshots helps

[trim sundial]

Im far from an expert but that water extraction picture you have looks like its all level, you shouldnt need pumps anywhere yet.

[wispy osprey]

Shouldn't need any riser then

Again buffers are there to test output

[dense violet]

you don't need a buffer at the top of your 'riser' also, the 'riser' doesn't do anything a pump won't do

[severe pewter]

You can brute force it: if you run a 120 into a splitter, and feed two of those splits to a merger before the split, the remaining output is forced to 40/min, or 1/3 the input

[dense violet]

pinged in you #math-and-meta

[fresh umbra]

is there a way to upgrade conveyor without repalcing?

[golden nexus]

pick belt you want it to be and aim at it

[dense violet]

build the higher mk of belt on it

[golden nexus]

works for downgrades to

[trim sundial]

If by riser you mean pipes to rbing stuff up? No, in that picture it looks like a pipe that goes up and right back down lol

[crisp barn]

spend around 20 hours suffering with liquids. Lesson of the day: if you have 600/m input, separate it into 2 300/m pipes. 🫠

[trim sundial]

This was a tough lesson i had to learn when i unlocked coal power lol

[crisp barn]

well, for me its recycled plastic and rubber factory

• the nature of it being an enclosed loop was such a pain in the ass

[trim sundial]

Thankfully, my brain already had this knowledge when i unlocked oil products and in only knew it because of my painful lesson about water pipes from the coal stage hahaha

[trim sundial]

But the kicker is, then you get 600m pipes and the harsh lesson becomes irrevevant mostly lol

[severe pewter]

Or just do it the hard way like me.

[crisp barn]

not really

the problem is, there are a lot of variables with liquids and if you havee 600/m input and output any fluctuations will result in one of the parts starving and another overflowing

but have 2 mk2 pipes with 300/m each allows for some room for it to fluctuate and balance itself out

[severe pewter]

Nah. I just bend the fluid to my will. And struggle a lot in the process. Getting easier though, I've learned a lot of the nuances.

[lapis shadow]

Yes but that's just typical merger/splitter shenanigans. The example I used was very easy but I'm talking about when maybe I have 480 item/m coming out of producer and I want to branch off something weird like 7.5 items/m out of it. So was wondering if there really isn't an easier way

[calm mango]

Loop a splitter back into itself and have a split off the conveyor that loops

[manic trench]

Started a new game. My intention. Automate everything in 1 way or another.

[crisp barn]

the whole thing comes down to liquids being more dynamic than items

[ember moon]

using a somer sloop in a constructer for double powershards is crazy

[severe pewter]

Priority splitter? Run the primary line, and use the overflow for that 7.5, just making sure to never eat into the remainder.

I did a lot of that for my sushi plant

[trim sundial]

You do have a point, i do notice that with my fuel generator line. MY fuel maker produces 100 per min, so five generators at 20 per min should be just perfect, but i have 7 hooked up to that 100 per min fuel maker and they are all humming along with full bellies lol

[manic trench]

I made a whole setup with smart sorter to put all slugs in 1 storage to split them with sombers xD

[severe pewter]

I did that for the super computers, plus 250% overclock. Saved me a ton of space and work

[ember moon]

how do I load in homing rifle ammo

[severe pewter]

My favorite is using them as boosters for the power grid though

Put it in storage, and feed it into a dimensional storage with a belt

Same as everything else

[ember moon]

I meant how do I load it into the gun

[sterile blade]

Hold the reload button

[ember moon]

i am its not doing anything

fuck im stupi dnevermind

[sterile blade]

Do you have it in your inventory?

[fading whale]

Rifle in hand. Ammo in inventory.

If you have multiple types for rifle ammo in inventory, you can switch by holding reload.

[severe pewter]

You could take a quick walkthrough of it if the math interests you

[lapis shadow]

I know how to effectively accomplish what I'm talking about, I was just confirming that there isn't any splitter or machine that does what I outlined originally. Since I couldn't really find out online. I was just surprised when it seemed like there was no way to just choose the max output rate of each split since that would be so useful. Wonder why it's not in the game

[severe pewter]

Dunno. I think the devs were working on it though, maybe?

[queen slate]

just reached mark 3 miners but my belts cap at 780 is there any way i can get around this or

[dense violet]

you manage that by clocking a machine or machines to put exactly what you want on your belt

[severe pewter]

Just do better

[dense violet]

or let the manifold over flow

[dense violet]

clocking is the most powerful tool you have at your disposal - it solves problems before they exist.

[severe pewter]

You'll eventually get faster belts. Just gonna have to suffer for now

[queen slate]

:((((

[golden nexus]

i suggest you build paralell systems of 600/min's

[severe pewter]

You could build the framework to match the output for later though

[fading whale]

This has been mentioned more than once during dev-streams.
Part of the idea behind the game is to sort out the math and balancing.
Being just able to set a limit on a splitter would defeat the purpose of having different tiers or belt speeds (among other things)

[dense violet]

for most of the game your miners are capped by belt speed, this isn't new 😛

[queen slate]

ik but i wanna use 1200 ores :(((#

[golden nexus]

what are you trying to do?

[dense violet]

so go further in tech

[fading whale]

And you can.
After Phase 4 😄

[golden nexus]

Yeah use 2 nodes @ 600 each then when you get 1200/min you split the node between existing systems and then double them

[severe pewter]

Use the 780 now, and build for 1200 later

[queen slate]

oh only that lemme get it rq ;D

[lapis shadow]

I appreciate all the tips but again, I was just **confirming **the non-existence of that special splitter I was talking about. I only included examples to help communicate what I meant. I wasn't asking for troubleshooting help haha

[golden nexus]

you can probably build what you want in game

[ember moon]

mark 6 conveyors are only for pure nodes maxed with the power cells

[fading whale]

Or when you want to save space on belts anywhere in your factory 🙂

[ember moon]

id also say only ever use these for transporting goods

Like 1200 ore per secondis insane

trainstops will no longer be slow they just grab the resources and go

dont forget drones exist to

[lapis shadow]

What happens to a vehicle and it's contents when it falls of the map?

[wispy osprey]

Can I get alt: steel canister in phase 3?

Hello???

[tall lantern]

oh no you didn't get an answer in a whole two minutes

[versed cosmos]

i think there's a solid surface some distance down but the pioneer hits an instant death barrier before you hit it

save editing could get your truck back

[tall lantern]

IIRC yeah vehicles don't despawn and just get stuck down there forever, but not sure if that ever changed

[versed cosmos]

i think so

!wikisearch empty canister

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=empty+canister

[tall lantern]

given how simple the recipe is I'd be surprised if it wasn't available that late, but again, wasn't sure so didn't reply 😛

[versed cosmos]

it's in tier 5 fluid packaging

[wispy osprey]

Nice, looks like i have to roll the dice for 2 hours again

[versed cosmos]

something i find really helps is getting yiur hard drives in early

[wispy osprey]

Typically how well RNG goes for me for something that good

[tall lantern]

just scan more

[versed cosmos]

you bank those early recipes and exclude them from future rolls

[fresh umbra]

does anyone know why less water comes into pipes during nighttime?

[tall lantern]

if you're hunting a specific recipe, just leave all the scanned drives without it in there

[versed cosmos]

the extractors go to sleep

[tall lantern]

lol

[wispy osprey]

Steel canister is a big one

[tall lantern]

there's no mechanic that'd affect 'em unless you're using a mod for solar panels or something and not getting enough power?

[wispy osprey]

I'd rather not use a pure oil node just to make plastic and residue heavy fuel -> fuel

[tall lantern]

then don't

[versed cosmos]

make fuel directly

[wispy osprey]

Exactly

[versed cosmos]

or for more fuel get the heavy oil residue alt

you can squeeze a little more fuel out of your oil that way

[wispy osprey]

The plastic byproduct a fuel plant makes isn't enough for my plans so I need to get steel canister

[severe pewter]

Idk if the devs fixed it, but I guess they used to stay loaded, but out of bounds

[tall lantern]

normally you just need some fixed amount of initial canisters for any canister-based setup. you'd only need a constant input if you're somehow burning the canisters, or for some reason storing the fuel in them long-term

[hybrid nymph]

Finally unlocked MK5 belts and upgraded my oil plant, I added 4 new fuel generators

[queen slate]

Are nuclear power plants easier to set up than rf gens

[versed cosmos]

niiiice

[versed cosmos]

nope

[queen slate]

Niice

[wispy osprey]

I don't know why I forgot that canisters can recycle

[queen slate]

Ok thx anyway

[hybrid nymph]

I found a new coal spot, I was thinking of setting up about 60 new coal generators with all of the coal I found

[severe pewter]

Pure oil is better and saves piping. Just run it at 250%

[versed cosmos]

rocket fuel is a big set up but repetitive

[queen slate]

I can’t get rf yet I need nitric acid

[versed cosmos]

nitro rocket fuel!

[wispy osprey]

I just need to make a prerequisite amount of canisters, store them, and continuously recycle them

[versed cosmos]

uses nitrogen gas directly

[oak nymph]

I got a question concerning dimensional depot can I put a belt with different item on it into a single dimensional depot? Will they all upload at once or pile up because my upload speed is low?

[queen slate]

Is that an alt?

[hybrid nymph]

I have so much plastic and rubber that I am just awesome sinking it as I have 2 industrial storages full of both rubber and plastic

[versed cosmos]

the depot and belt will clog

[versed cosmos]

yes

[oak nymph]

Ok thanks

[versed cosmos]

for uploading to depot you really need a depot per item

[wispy osprey]

I'm glad I tested this in my creative save

[lilac bear]

Put a storage container between them, it will avoid the clog up.

[hybrid nymph]

Each depot can only handle 1 item at a time, if you want to switch the item you need to pull all of the items out of the depot first

[severe pewter]

You can sushi to a dimensional storage, but as soon as one of the item slots is full in the dimensional storage, it'll stop entering - which will brick the whole line

[oak nymph]

But are they each going to upload on their own or like item at a time

[queen slate]

Is nitrogen gas better than nitric acid

[versed cosmos]

yes

[queen slate]

Isn’t there 2 alts or is there 1

[ember moon]

no you need single dimension depot for each resource

[versed cosmos]

for the most rocket fuel you want 3 alts

[oak nymph]

Ok thanks I'll just put one depot per item don't want everything to get messy

[versed cosmos]

heavy oil residue, diluted fuel, and nitro rocket fuel

[lilac bear]

!wikisearch rocket fuel

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=rocket+fuel

[severe pewter]

Temporarily, no you don't. But permanently, yes

[queen slate]

I have 2 of them

[versed cosmos]

nitrogen gas is a natural resource, you get it straight out of the ground, it's an ingredient in nitric acid

you're removing having to make nitric acid by doing nitro rocket fuel

[queen slate]

Ye I’ve used nitrogen before

[severe pewter]

NO²?

[versed cosmos]

no nitric acid would be HNO³

[severe pewter]

Ooo

[leaden turret]

-# NOⁿᵒ ˡᶦᵐᶦᵗˢ ʷᵉ ʳᵉᵃᶜʰ ᶠᵒʳ ᵗʰᵉ ˢᵏʸ

[versed cosmos]

NO² would be nitrogen dioxide

[severe pewter]

So, if H²0 is already stable, what does the Nitrogen do to it? Does it squish in between both sides?

[queen slate]

Is scim up?

[severe pewter]

What's wrong with a little nos?

[leaden turret]

-# gonna have trouble smelling

[versed cosmos]

no its a completely different compound

[severe pewter]

Is it? Googles

[versed cosmos]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitric_acid

[severe pewter]

Ooo, 2 Nitrogen to 1 Oxygen. My bad.

[versed cosmos]

no?

3 oxygens

[upper gale]

Dang what's this chat, I failed chemistry in hs

[oak nymph]

How do I drive the explorer? The vehicle

[versed cosmos]

you need fuel

any fuel works although coal is probably the best for the stage at which you typically unlock the explorer

[hybrid nymph]

Each depot can only handle 1 item at a time, if you want to switch the item you need to pull all of the items out of the depot first

[versed cosmos]

later packaged fuels are better

[oak nymph]

?

[hybrid nymph]

Depots upload one item at a time, but you can speed it up with upgrades, the speed upgrades are much better than the storage upgrade

[oak nymph]

Yeah but I don't have enough Mercer sphere yet

[versed cosmos]

actually question do different fuels effect the speed of vehicles like the explorer

[queen slate]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[upper gale]

Probably not the speed, just the fuel burn rate or something

[versed cosmos]

thought so

[severe pewter]

They were talking about nitric acid and I brought up nos

[fading whale]

Nos is from a different game. Here we use shards to make things go faster 😄

[severe pewter]

But it's right. there.

[upper gale]

Slugs are slow but they become shards for speed xd

[fading whale]

All the slugs are descendants of Turbo the snail.

[versed cosmos]

what specifically is not working for you?

[oak nymph]

Never mind I didn't put fuel in and I don't have fuel so it's just going to stay around doing nothing

[versed cosmos]

coal works

biofuel works

[fading whale]

Remember to put fuel in it 🙂
You do that from the outside back of the vehicle.

[upper gale]

Ain't got no gas in it

[versed cosmos]

anything you can burn for power works

i think you can even power it with the blood of your enemies (alien parts)

[oak nymph]

Does it burn it fast?

[fading whale]

It will run on anything almost. Just add coal (assuming you have coal power)

[versed cosmos]

fuels with higher energy content will burn slower

[severe pewter]

I keep forgetting about biofuel, I never use it. Pretty sure that stuff should last forever in the vehicle though

[versed cosmos]

after clearing the swamp for my aluminium plant i have more biofuel than i will ever use

[severe pewter]

Btw, which powers generators longer between the biofuel n' turbofuel?

[versed cosmos]

i think turbofuel?

!wikisearch fuel generator

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fuel+generator

[ember moon]

how do I change my flight speed in creative

[hard ivy]

Run

[clear tartan]

how can you go up in hypertubes

[fading whale]

Up?
You just run it up a wall like any pipe.

[clear tartan]

no i mean

can they launch you into mid air

[brazen cove]

yes

i think so-

[fading whale]

Oh. Search Hypertube cannon. Tons of examples out there on youtube 🙂

The basic version is just a row of short tubee with entrance and exit one after another.

[upper gale]

And then once they build it they will have converted into to a full time cannon user

Hehe

[fading whale]

And SAVE your game before you test any setup.
First try will be like "Well that didn't get me that far".
Next try will be like "Oh. I am on the other side of the planet now. And dead".

[dull sparrow]

hello everyone

does anyone want to play?

[dusky hedge]

hey

there is a looking for group channel

[fading whale]

Check here 🙂
https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758

[tall plover]

automation is fun til you have to setup 73 refineries for caterium

[golden elbow]

I've had to use like, 15 assemblers in a straight row for smart plating

it's horrid.

[hard ivy]

wait until you have to place 500 fully overclocked refineries for copper

[tall plover]

refineries suck

why are they so slow

[golden elbow]

I'm only halfway through phase 2, and already using 1.5gw of power

I fear the future isn't coal

[tall plover]

the future is not coal

[warm tendon]

question:
Where can i Upload the Ficsmas Event Screenshots?

[golden elbow]

How many sink points are smart platings worth-?

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch smart plating

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=smart+plating

[golden elbow]

Cause my gosh, once my 1000 are loaded up, I'm printing tickets like it's the 1920s

[oak nymph]

I unlock oil yahoo

[golden elbow]

520? Nice.

[tall plover]

its gonna be exponential

[dusky hedge]

cant imagine smart plates worth the power to sink, ive been sinking sam and its refined version then just junk and some overflows

[tall plover]

im only sinking overflow and some minor things rn and printing 1.5m /min rn

im almost at the 1k trophy with no dedicated sink point automation

[dusky hedge]

noice

ive been compiling a list of things that arent needed after elevator, hopefully to work out what is worth sinking and what i should delete or power off

@tall plover sam is 20 points so times that by your fastest belt and its a lot of sink points

reanimating some is even better

[hard ivy]

reanimating doubles the points you can get from the miner for basically free. no reason to sink raw SAM

[dusky hedge]

yeah i have 2 constructors, and merge whats left raw from one pure.. inever bothered to add more, just upgrade belts as i get them

[golden elbow]

Welp, Smart plating is done, time for the truss and cables

[oak nymph]

I'm at 1500MW out of the 1775MW I produce I must get oil power

[ember moon]

get at least 8 somersloops and 59 slug power things to get a small but efficient farm that produces 9.5k power

#screenshots

why 59 slug things?

1 of the fuel powered generators needs less to be able to consistently keep the rates of oil up and stop fluctiuatrions

[unkempt blade]

because as everyone knows 59 slugs is the minimum amount needed to make an awesome slug carousel around your hub

[covert quarry]

i'm still in early game and i have a question? are there better power poles to be unlocked cz the first one with only 4 connections suck

[golden nexus]

yes

[upper gale]

In the mam, caterium tree

[unkempt blade]

as a general rule if they name it [something] MK[number] there's going to be more of them

[idle glen]

after creating a blueprint on my save, folder for them didnt appear in the files

[marsh shard]

do train need a buffer when unloading ? and if yes why?

[dusky hedge]

no, afaik buffer is for when you are driving

or atleast i need it when i am 🤔

[unkempt blade]

the station stores some amount of liquid already so it depends on your route

[hard ivy]

yes, both loading and unloading.
platforms stop item flow for 27 seconds when a train is docking. you don't want your machines to fill up and idle because of that. if you have a container as a buffer, the items get stored in there and then dumped into the platforms when they unpause

[upper gale]

gotta clarify if we're talking about buffer for resources or "buffer stop" thing that prevents trains from derailing

[dusky hedge]

i assumed he meant literally the buffer that attaches to the end of the rail

[marsh shard]

i mean the storage to keep things running

[dusky hedge]

only need if your balance of reso per min is precise

[versed palm]

can anyone tell me any tools that i can use to plan my factory?

[marsh shard]

i got a load balancer so what i thought is, since i consume taht amount of resource anyway by the time the belt deliver the resources from the train ididn t need any

[dusky hedge]

im using modeler

its almost great

[hard ivy]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[versed palm]

Wait is Caterium so important because you can turn it into Wire?

or why is that

[hard ivy]

a lot of useful stuff is unlocked by it

and it's required later

[versed palm]

oof

[hard ivy]

turning it into regular wire is one of the least useful things to do with it imo

[clear tartan]

mmm

[golden elbow]

Hmm, should I simply demolish my smart plating factory post phase 2?

[oak nymph]

59 power shards?

[unkempt blade]

make it even bigger you'll need more

[dusky hedge]

i would keep a box of it

[hard ivy]

I wouldn't build one in the first place

[oak nymph]

I found like 10 really close oil node and there is some pure in that

[golden elbow]

I make 30 plates a minute, but I'm concerned that I don't really have enough iron or coal near my hub to make the other phase 2 items

[unkempt blade]

expand and find more iron and coal, there's tons

[ember moon]

a single pure node can be worth 9.5k power if you use what I just told you to

[oak nymph]

Even without mk2 pipe

[ember moon]

Im p sure you need mk2 pipe

[oak nymph]

I can buy the item to unlock it and the awesome shop

And do I need mk4 conveyor

[hard ivy]

a single pure oil node and some water can give you 20 GW

[golden elbow]

The minute I get access to trains, the entire game will be flipped upside down for me

but until now, puny belts will stretch kilometers

[oak nymph]

How?

[dusky hedge]

@golden elbow oh ignore me yo uneed them for modular engines, a trickle is enough

[hard ivy]

heavy oil residue and diluted (packaged) fuel

[oak nymph]

I don't have those yet I haven't automated plastic or rubber yet I gotta do those first

[ember moon]

with oil plastic becomes easy to get

[oak nymph]

20 GW or MW?

[hard ivy]

GW

[oak nymph]

That's a hell lot

[hard ivy]

20 MW would be a laughably small amount for an entire pure node lol

[ember moon]

20 gw is 20,000MW

[golden elbow]

I'll just keep the factory there but unpowered, since it drains 80% of my entire network sob

[dusky hedge]

yep, keep some stocked though

[oak nymph]

I know I only consume 1.5GW at the moment so 20 is a lot and I got access to multiple pure node I could get 50GW if I use them all

[stone fern]

how do i use the ficsmas gifts?

[unkempt blade]

probably want to build out coal some more before you start thinking too big

[oak nymph]

Why? Coal node I used are really far from my coal gen

[unkempt blade]

1.5gw isn't very much even as far as finishing the second package goes

[ember moon]

oh yeah get residual plastic as fast as you can

[unkempt blade]

I'd get used to expanding

[ember moon]

its so easy

60 polymer resin and 20 water per minute to get 20 plastic per minute is amazing

[unkempt blade]

why didn't you build them next to the coal? or next to the closest water near the coal?

[oak nymph]

And rubber?

[ember moon]

residual rubber is also good

[oak nymph]

I build them close to water but far from the coal

[hard ivy]

you should build coal plants close to both

[fierce granite]

time to explore, there are many coal nodes next to water

[unkempt blade]

as far as starting areas go there should be coal+water close to each other near each of them. Certainly more than 1.5gw worth

[oak nymph]

There is another node I just didn't explode the rock on it yet I forgot about it I could put a mk2 miner on it and build 8 more gen

[unkempt blade]

you can obviously choose to play however is fun but 1.5gw is going to be quite a wait while finishing phase 2 which is why I'm suggesting more

I'm usually finishing phase 2 with something like 40 or 48 gens

[dusky hedge]

i ran 16 coal gens til fuel, 7 fuel gens til rocket fuel now power is a breeze

[ornate saffron]

my last playthrough i was still on bio when i finished phase 2 lol

[unkempt blade]

you're all so much more patient than I am! 😆

[dusky hedge]

do you explore for hdd ands sloops?

[unkempt blade]

the close ones but I usually wait for bladerunners+jetpack to do more exploring

[hardy vector]

7GW biofuel power plant for phase 1 in a new game ^^

[dusky hedge]

dont wait for blade runers, prioritise them

and parachute

[unkempt blade]

plenty of gametime for that when I have more than a trickle of factory output 😆

[hardy vector]

bladerunners are easy to get

[unkempt blade]

yes I'm aware

[dusky hedge]

i like to go exploring after i build a step on the elevator, gives it time to run through

hdd have been a big proirity for me, but i still dont know enough of the recipes so i went overkill

and i love fightin gthe spiders 🙂

[unkempt blade]

I roll dice to pick recipes. Maxing alts is boring at this point

[dusky hedge]

my mam says no recipes available to get

havent reached the grasslands yet, so plenty more to find

[oak nymph]

I'm done with phase 2

[ember moon]

30k ficsit points per minute

[primal obsidian]

not enough aim for 194138983244328197379852437905/ secon

[crimson dagger]

chat how do i find coal

[dusky hedge]

look near water around starting area

[primal obsidian]

resource scanner, just like every other resource

[fast ruin]

you unlock the ability to scan it

then mine it

[crimson dagger]

oh

how do i unlock the ability to scan it

for context im playing satisfactory plus

[stone fern]

wtf is satisfactory plus

[upper gale]

Tier 3 - coal power

[crimson dagger]

sorry if i'm missing the obvious i bought the game yesterday

[upper gale]

It's a milestone in the hub

[hard ivy]

brother why are you playing SF+ without completing the vanilla game first

[crimson dagger]

cause at first i thought it was just a expansion to the lategame not an overhaul

[upper gale]

Short answer: they just want to lol

[crimson dagger]

that too

[primal obsidian]

probably should beat the game vanilla first but yknow you do you i guess

[ember moon]

this is suckh a replayable game tbh

[crimson dagger]

i mean it's easy to adapt to it when you're playing it as your first playthrough since you dont have the conflicting memory from the basegame

[dusky hedge]

needs an end game leaderboard and goals

[crimson dagger]

it's a pain to find out how to do anything in the mod since there's no wiki with crafting recipes but i manage

[upper gale]

Oh yk what I didn't know it changed milestone progression, yeah that could make the "when unlocking coal" a different answer

[crimson dagger]

oh damn

whatever i have a ton of biomass and can always get more it's not too much of a priority

[dusky hedge]

if theres a decent lake near you , chances are it has coal not too far away

[hard ivy]

It would really be a good idea to just restart and play vanilla

[crimson dagger]

gonna start working towards constructors to automate the pain of having to craft so many different iron items

[ornate saffron]

wise choice

[crimson dagger]

i would but i JUST set up automated mining of all the ores i need and i dont wanna have to redo that in vanilla

[hard ivy]

You're probably not even like 2% though the mod

And in vanilla it's a lot easier

[crimson dagger]

yeah fair enough

still keeping the inventory slots mod though

[dusky hedge]

i love restarting, especially when i worked out how to get legs and parachute super fast

@crimson dagger if you like challenge, the northern forest is a fun start

[crimson dagger]

nah im an easy mode coward lmao

[ornate saffron]

northern forest is my favorite start. but requires some game knowledge

[dusky hedge]

how to not die to everything

[upper gale]

I will fall off cliffs 50 times there

[dusky hedge]

makes exploring fun early on

my base is at the tiny lake with 6 pure irons

[crimson dagger]

im gonna put my base in the same place in vanilla to make ore access dirt easy

since in plus i have it next to an deposit of the thing that makes iron

and a semi-short length away from the copper or whatever ore and the concrete thing ore

its made things insanely easy to start automating

[dim spoke]

im phase 0 tier 1 and ive automated every item i can

is this good

only problem is getting power

[crimson dagger]

better than me

[dusky hedge]

you can semi automate power when you unlock chainsaw, make sure you check the per minute numbers when you do

[ocean warren]

i got a probem with hard drives. I did put the problem in the questions and help section. Can someone check it out ?

[gray pagoda]

can you take half a stack out of the dimensional depot?

[fading whale]

No 🙁

Take out full stack. Split. Put rest back.

[dusky hedge]

@ocean warren nitro fuel requires mam research in rocket fuel

it held me up other day

[golden elbow]

Welp, 2/3 parts of phase 2 done

happy days! Ish! Kinda!

[ember moon]

#streams-and-videos message Making something silly

[oak nymph]

The upload from inventory thing in the dimensional depot can I upload anything or only stuff I already have in dimensional depot?

[dusky hedge]

anything

[oak nymph]

It's op

[dusky hedge]

early on its better than the normal ones

[oak nymph]

Yeah I need that asap I could put every rare semi useful items

[ocean warren]

its already unlocked. please look at the questions section you will see what i mean

[dusky hedge]

i ifnd it most useful for exploring and making room for hdd loots

[silent heron]

Dear God the blue print UI and system is hilariously janky

[mystic plank]

yoo i need help on smth, can i dm someone so i can show the pic?

[versed cosmos]

sure but there is also #1038092680493801533

[mystic plank]

oh

im shy ill jsut dm u :>

[oak nymph]

What blueprint should I make I don't know what to do with the blueprint designer mk1

[dusky hedge]

yoiu will know when you need one

[teal geyser]

When the time comes, you will know

[fast ruin]

#screenshots message
i'm confused, there is a mercer orb here but i can't find it, i went around trying to find a tunnel but there is nothing

[teal geyser]

Have you looked above too? Maybe it is on top of some big rock pillar

[dusky hedge]

or a cave

if you have a jetpack it sill show you getting closer or farther by going up

[fast ruin]

it should be in a cave underground but ican't find the entrance

[teal geyser]

Look around some more I guess Most tunnels/caves have cracked rocks blocking the entrances

[fast ruin]

found the entrance, it was very far

[versed cosmos]

stuff you build a lot, like a line of 4 smelters with the splitters and merges already attached

splitter trees if you like load balancing

assemblers, foundries and manifacturers with a line of smart splitters already placed at the inputs

[sullen gull]

Or just a sinigle machine with lifts, splitters and or mergers already attached is fine too. This way I can place as few or as many as I want.

[dim spoke]

holyy this is slow

5 reinforced plates/min

[versed cosmos]

try 10/min

the numbers are very clean and you can repeat that for 20 or 30/min

[dim spoke]

i need to dedicate a node for each item ;-;

[sullen gull]

Naaaaah Bolted Iron plate! 15 per minute!! muwhahaha

[hardy vector]

Stitched iron plate

[versed cosmos]

overclock the miner

[dusky hedge]

5 is fine if youi get to steel soon, if yoiu like to build a lot with t2 belts then more is better

[teal geyser]

In the future, you will get access to better recipes, overclocking, faster belts, faster miners, etc

[sullen gull]

Heck no, not at a 32s cycle time!

[versed cosmos]

tbh ive never used the iron wire/stitched plate thing

[dim spoke]

this is gonna be so messy

having so much iron stuff in 3 nodes

[versed cosmos]

grassy fields?

[dusky hedge]

best

[dim spoke]

the first map

[versed cosmos]

yeah grassy fields

[dim spoke]

yes

[versed cosmos]

😭

[dusky hedge]

there is only one map 🙂

[dim spoke]

should i combine the output of all miners

[versed cosmos]

only where you need to

[dim spoke]

aight

im phase 0 and i have a huge setup to automate every iron item

[versed cosmos]

or you can just build the factory in two segments that combine later down the line

[versed cosmos]

thats the way!

[zinc mesa]

AI is crazy. an hour ago I was like "the existing factory planners are kinda eh, I should have a better one"

[versed cosmos]

ai is so bad at this game

[dim spoke]

automating smart plating or modular frames is gonna take up so much space ;-;

[versed cosmos]

you dont need to automate smart plates at least not initially

[zinc mesa]

and now, https://imgur.com/bsptbQd

[versed cosmos]

you can just feed an assembler with containers

[zinc mesa]

@versed cosmos yeah but it's good at code~

[upper gale]

It is but don't vibe code

[versed cosmos]

for modular frames go for 10/min, the numbers work out very cleanly

[sick falcon]

why does it break if i try to increase it past 300

[dim spoke]

im not really going for anything i just connect stuff to stuff and wish it makes other stuff

sounds too difficult to involve more math

[versed cosmos]

praying to ada it works lmao

[dim spoke]

yes

gonna get 1/min modular frames!

[reef basin]

because someone limited it to 120 nitrogen

[dim spoke]

140MW consumption with bio stuff

😓

[hard ivy]

Because it's limited to 120 nitrogen

Needed that for maximise. You can set it to whatever you want

[brazen cove]

just got the truck, i love it's suspension

[dusky hedge]

14 bios on 3 constructers

[versed cosmos]

you might want to try a planner by satisfactory tools

[dim spoke]

hmm

maybe when im further in the game

i assume ill rebuild all this at some point

when i get better stuff

[reef basin]

generally we don't recommend rebuilding

[dim spoke]

oh

[versed cosmos]

rebuild if you want

[dim spoke]

so will this setup work forever like when i update all stuff

[versed cosmos]

i rebuild all the time

[reef basin]

if you just build new factory and keep old one, you'll have two factories in shorter time than if you rebuilt one 🙂

[dusky hedge]

the only reason to tear down is to save power or space, both are plentiful later on

[dim spoke]

true

and ill in any case have to rebuild cuz i dont have the best tier nodes

[reef basin]

that... doesn't really matter

and if you play in some style like independency (https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency), you practically never rebuild anyway

[dim spoke]

but the better the node the more ore i get isnt it like that

i think i play independency

[reef basin]

yeah, but when you build a factory, you build it to make X/min, so you don't really care about the node purity, you only care if it can feed your factory needing X/min

[dim spoke]

oh alr

[reef basin]

if my factory needs 200 ore/min, I give it 200/min. If the node makes more, I underclock the miner and make a note that I can use the rest for something else

[dim spoke]

cause rn i try to do as much as possible as fast as possible

ill add a 2nd crafter for the same item so i can make even more if the miner is too fast

and then just use a node for 1 or 2 items

[dusky hedge]

one helpful tip is to label things with signs, ie factory uses x ores/pm outputs items/pm while its fresh in your head
later when youi need 25 of an ore you wil know if its available from a belt

[reef basin]

well in general you should do some math 🙂

so you don't just blindly add things 😛

[dim spoke]

hmm

when i actually start progressing

ill redesign stuff with math

[tranquil saffron]

i am so glad i play with cheats so i don't have to worry about these things 😂 😭

[dim spoke]

im still in phase 0 and just tryna make these factories fast

[reef basin]

well if you spend a minute doing math (or using some planner), you save much more in the long run

[upper gale]

Game gets a lot better once you understand the numbers, you can really squeeze out the most from your nodes

[dusky hedge]

tier 0 there is no math 🙂

[upper gale]

But if you're not ready for it then don't worry about it

[dusky hedge]

without modeler i wouldnt know which recipes to use

but i didnt start using it untilmodular engines ish

[reef basin]

modeller doesn't tell you that either

[dusky hedge]

yoiu can build both chains

leave outputs inputs as open and compare

also saves on calculation time for big builds

[reef basin]

I'd rather do that in a tool that calculates it in a few seconds

rather than having to build everything manually in modeler

[sullen gull]

It doesn't need to.

[zinc mesa]

I just told opus to add a recipe editor to mine

I can add them as they come up

[dusky hedge]

the first one i picked designed it all for me, so i deleted it

im the designer

[reef basin]

if the premise is "knowing which recipes to use", then it kinda needs to

[lilac bear]

Ooh, I hadn't unlocked Iron Pipes yet.

Finally.

[reef basin]

which one was that?

[upper gale]

Truly a goated recipe

[dusky hedge]

not sure, but there are two very similar

[reef basin]

expensive pipes and skipping steel? no thanks

[dim flint]

Is there a mod that is just a single box the size of a conveyor elevator head that spawns selected items at selected rates? I'm trying to test something in a blank save.

[dusky hedge]

using modeler i am part of every step so it sinks in better

[sullen gull]

No, it really doesn't. It's funny that there is all this talk on "all alts are good alts". And modeler is MUCH easier to tailor a production chain than tools. Especially in the ways of overclocking and generating "nicer" numbers. And, honestly, the layout/design/organization is leaps and bounds better.

[dusky hedge]

i think modeler is almost great, it needs a few improvements

[reef basin]

well obviously we assume that the user knows what they want to prioritise

and I'm not sure why are you comparing modeler with tools

[upper gale]

Skipping coal, I'll take that anyday. I also like using it into encased industrial pipe

[sullen gull]

Because they are both production calculators and you are telling someone why they shouldn't use modeler. Even when they are saying it works better for them.

[dim flint]

There's some overlap, but really you should use both.

[reef basin]

there's so much coal that I'd rather use it for steel that I'll need anyway than to spend tons of iron on something

[dim flint]

Modeler lets me model my actual factory, tools helps me come up with plans and recipe combinations.

[upper gale]

You say there's so much coal. But there's a lot more iron

[reef basin]

I'm not telling them to use Tools though? I'm just saying that for tool to "tell the user which recipe to use", modeler is kinda on the bottom

[reef basin]

I'd rather use one node of iron + one node of coal, than to search for 4 iron nodes (and then search for coal anyway since you need steel for other stuff)

[upper gale]

Yeah steel for other stuff, not the stuff I'll be using there, I mean to each their own. Iron is just more accessible to me

[sick falcon]

is there a good spot for nuclear?

[dusky hedge]

water

[sullen gull]

Anywhere on the water. Swamp isn't horrible. Outside of the drearyness, all the fart rocks and stingers 😛

But is has more or less everything you'd need right there for a moderate nuclear build imo

[sick falcon]

even tho the swamp uranium is impure?

i havent been able to find any pure nodes

[reef basin]

there are no pure nodes

[sullen gull]

There are none

[dusky hedge]

i havent built nuclear yet, but afaik water is the main ingredient, uranium can be trained in

[reef basin]

why are people so obsessed with only using pure nodes

[sullen gull]

Or droned

[ember moon]

how do I use the camera

[lunar cargo]

Hey, i want to play with my friend on steam, but i have Satisfactory on epic. is there any way we can play together?

[sullen gull]

P

[ember moon]

thanks

[sullen gull]

And hit TAB to open a config menu. And R for a decoupled camera

[red drift]

there is... i think there is a youtube video explaining it

[primal obsidian]

tell them to sign in with an epic account on satisafctory there shouyld be an option to link accounts im pretty sure

[sullen gull]

And can also open the folder where the pictures are stored from that TAB menu as well

[dim spoke]

how do i change the iron production in the planner

[dusky hedge]

havent used drones yet, i think ill save it for end products or when shit gets too crazy
for now i like building train networks but who knows when it wil get annoying

[dim spoke]

i produce 60 the planner shows me 240

[reef basin]

which planner?

[dim spoke]

satisfactorytools

[reef basin]

change the production target to 60?

[sullen gull]

Drones are 'relatively' easy. Especially if you over produce a bit of Rocket Fuel for drone fuel.

[red drift]

drones are goated imao, i completely ignored trains

[upper gale]

Your steam friend can sign into epic, in the main menu

[dim spoke]

doesnt a normal node produce 60 with default tier miner

[primal obsidian]

😠

[reef basin]

assuming default tier = mk1, yes

[dusky hedge]

im producing enough rocket fuel for 240 generators, and i have about 20 running 😄

[reef basin]

but SFTools don't care about miners, they just tell you how much ore you need

[dim spoke]

oh

can i change this

[reef basin]

change what?

[dim spoke]

or do i need to change the target amoun per min

[reef basin]

what is your goal?

[dim spoke]

use up one normal node for modular frames

[dim flint]

"maximize"

And limit the resource input.

[reef basin]

generally I'd recommend not limiting yourself to "use one node", but rather make the amount that you need

[upper gale]

Once you unlock overclocking you can increase the amount you get from your miner

[reef basin]

as for how to do it in Tools, maximise is indeed one way, but I wouldn't recommend that one, rather just calculate how much ore you need for 1 and then do quick math on how much you can make from one node

[dim spoke]

is there some better planner

[reef basin]

wdym by "better"?

[red drift]

excel

[reef basin]

what do you want from it?

[sullen gull]

You can try Satisfactory Modeler. It's different, though don't know about 'better'

[dim spoke]

aight ill test that out ty

[sullen gull]

free PC app on Steam

[upper gale]

Bro I'm about to pull out the abacus instead of a calculator for this one

[reef basin]

modeler is more "planner" where you plan actual logistics and such, than calculator/optimiser like Tools. They are pretty different. Hence why I asked what do you want from the "planner" you're looking for

[sullen gull]

@dim spoke But, it will allow you do do what you're trying to do: #screenshots message

[unkempt radish]

hi

[reef basin]

I mean tools allow you that as well 🤷

they still didn't clarify what they are looking for so it's hard to guess

[upper gale]

Greeny is allergic to modeler

[sullen gull]

With albeit a tad more confusion with the way it operates imo.

[dim spoke]

ooo i can add decimals into the calculator

[sullen gull]

Though, Not saying Modeler is "easy" in any way either.

[dim spoke]

ive now figured out how i wanna do this

thanks!

[reef basin]

what

[upper gale]

I haven't used it much but I liked Tools
I haven't tried modeler

[teal geyser]

3. 2. 1. FIGHT!!!!

[dusky hedge]

factorio has foreman 2 which is like modeler but near perfect

yoiu can flip nodes around, have pass through nodes and have source and output nodes

[reef basin]

factorio is like 100 times easier to calculate

[dusky hedge]

and have one non variable stat to work around

not on seablock 😄

[reef basin]

I mean we could add SF mods to it as well. I'm obviously assuming base game

[dusky hedge]

base game is tutorial for seablock

[reef basin]

basegame is tutorial for Bobs, which is tutorial for B+A, which is tutorial for seablock

[dusky hedge]

seablock, like satisfactory has infinite resources, cos everything is made from water or air

so it is different to the ore hunting on base game

[reef basin]

SF doesn't have infinite resources tho, they are limited by node count

[hardy vector]

I added mods to my modelers game_data.json

[reef basin]

and I'm very much aware, I've played like 1k+ hours on seablock

[dusky hedge]

i love seablock, eveey mod has to compare to that now

[sullen gull]

@dim spoke Though, looking at this, no matter which tool you use, You'll still want to unlock clocking in order to get the numbers "nice"

[dusky hedge]

i play it with lazy bastard and kind of speed run against my self

[dim spoke]

should i remake all my machines to make a specific amount

i dont think all of the materials are rn being used optimally

[reef basin]

not really

"optimal usage" is a myth

make what you need, if you're making that, be happy

[sick falcon]

how many uranium fuel rods does a nuclear plant use per min

[reef basin]

if you build one, it'll tell you

[dusky hedge]

funniest thing is when you make the perfect factory optimised then it sits idle with full storage while you hunt spiders

[sullen gull]

Like, this would be the machine amounts and qty's you would need to "maximize" a single normal node with a mk1 one miner: #screenshots message

[primal obsidian]

.2 i think but you can just check by placing one

[queen slate]

Wiki can also tell you I think

[sick falcon]

all it says is no fuel

[reef basin]

yeah but I tend to show people how much the game actually tells them to save them from having to search on wiki and learn where game has the info

[reef basin]

hover/click on the fuel slot

[upper gale]

The chat can tell you too 😹

[sick falcon]

ohhhhh i see

ty :)

[queen slate]

True I need to do that more

[reef basin]

then you don't learn anything and will have to ask next time again

[lilac bear]

!wikisearch uranium plant

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=uranium+plant

[sullen gull]

The plates are clocked at 56.25, rods at 87.5, 56.25 for screws, 75 for reinforced plates, and 62.5 for the modular frames. Which are the clock rates you'd set per machine.

[cinder jay]

wheres a good spot to have my wepons factory?

[sullen gull]

@dim spoke #satisfactory message

[reef basin]

near resources it needs

[lilac bear]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Nuclear_Power_Plant

[dim spoke]

Yepss tyty

[queen slate]

Everywhere

[dim spoke]

ill soon build my frame making machine

[queen slate]

Gj

[upper gale]

But we can't stop people from asking here. It will always happen, and since they're asking here isntead of checking a wiki or in-game, well you can probably tell they're not normally checking the other sources

[dim spoke]

should i overclock miners

[hardy vector]

Overflow to awesome sinks ftw

[queen slate]

If you need more input yes

[dim spoke]

cuz like rn idk how much i need to make

[dusky hedge]

i didnt get overflows for ages

[dim spoke]

i just make stuff for the sake of having it ready just in case

[sullen gull]

There are actually quite a few things the game doesn't tell you about. Like the codex or N for instance.

[upper gale]

If they're asking too many questions though without trying then yeah just push them to try and figure out through the game

[sick falcon]

can i dump my nuclear waste in the ocean

[sullen gull]

Or that you can HOLD E to gather leave/wood. Or that you can split stacks, etc.

[queen slate]

I usually go between 10-20 depending on the item but the more the better

Use satisfactory tools to help you decide how much u gonna make

[sullen gull]

That is always the proverbial question. Ideally, it's suggested to just start with one machine's worth of items.

[queen slate]

You can hold e to gather stuff :

[hardy vector]

Smart splitter for overflow can be get really early

[lilac bear]

If you're just looking for nobelisks, there's plenty of places. From the starter area seen, this is a decent place to set your first steel + nobelisks factory. Limestone close by too, for enclased steel beams you're going to need a great amount of for belts. #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

You can also hold E, open TAB menu, close it, and E eill be "locked on". Though I believe that is just a bug more than a "feature"

[hardy vector]

You can what? Just hold E instead of spamming it?

[sullen gull]

Er, Hold E on the first leave or wood.

[queen slate]

Wow that would’ve been useful to know

[sullen gull]

When gathering leaves and wood, yes. For mining nodes or ore deposits, just tap it once.

It will mine until you look away or move

or Inventory is full

[dusky hedge]

yeah i cant rember what held me up but my foray into thejungle for sam was a proirity early on, and alot of giant spiders there

[queen slate]

Never mine ores manually if you can throw down 10 portable miners

[sullen gull]

I mean, this is true. j/s

In the VERY early game for instance, you don't have portable miners (Though is really doesn't take long to get them)

[queen slate]

Ye u are right

[lilac bear]

Portable miners should absolutely be prioritized early game.

[sullen gull]

Absolutely. For when you don't want to place a miner (but why) and of course you need them for every miner to place....

Oh, and needed to make a drone too 😛

[queen slate]

I should start using them now to fill up my manifold smelter too

[queen slate]

And miners

[sullen gull]

I said that 😉

[queen slate]

Oh mb

[lilac bear]

That's literally one message further back.

[queen slate]

😄

[queen slate]

I’m not the best reader tbh

[sullen gull]

No worries, I do the same all the time 😛

[dim spoke]

uhh what do you mean i need 9 constructors and 4 assemblers for this istg

can i somehow simplify this

[sullen gull]

Clocking?

But would cause the machines to use more power.

[dim spoke]

they are clocked

[sullen gull]

Referring to overclocked. In effort to have less machines.

[dim spoke]

im tryna get frames and rotors from 1 node

[teal geyser]

Why just 1 node?

[dim spoke]

thats all i have left in my main area and i dont have any effective ways of transport rn

[sullen gull]

Personally I would try to change the mentality on a "main area" You have an entire map to work with 😛

[dim spoke]

i dont wanna have to go by foot to the places

[sullen gull]

And, eventually the game tries to have the pioneer venture out away from a single area anyhow.

[dim spoke]

once i unlock some movement stuff i can go further

[silk rose]

satisfactory hide&seek ?

[sullen gull]

Slide jump 🙂

[dim spoke]

dang didnt know i could do that

[oak nymph]

It's so nice I got the achievement going more than 140km/h by doing that

[oak nymph]

It's scary

[sullen gull]

Naaaaaaah 😛

It's such a beautifully designed world!

[zinc mesa]

it's a huge weakness of the game imo that like.. the optimal way to build things is with a single giant doomfactory

I love the giant map and I want to spread all over it

[sullen gull]

I mean, I don't feel that is entirely true. Many people practice Independency (https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency)

And use trains or Drones, and sometimes even trucks, to have things working "Optimally"

Or even better, Factory Carts 🤣

[zinc mesa]

I mean that is a thing you can do if you want to play the game for longer, but if you have to add an external constraint to actually use the beautiful map then something's wrong imo

[sullen gull]

I don't get what you mean? external constraint?

[zinc mesa]

aiui independency is something you do so that the factories are spread around the world

[upper gale]

Later in the game you kinda have to branch out

[covert quarry]

anything to build early game?

[zinc mesa]

I mean, my current playthrough goal is "see if I can mod in ltn style train provisioning and then do one-building-per-item"

which actually seems surprisingly possible

[sullen gull]

So, I am totally confused. Are you saying that in order for 'you' to enjoy the game, you are needing to write a mod for it?

[zinc mesa]

yes :p

[sullen gull]

ic

ltn style?

[zinc mesa]

central depot with two dozen trains, stations provide and consume items, if a provider and consumer match up the router assigns one of the depot trains a timetable that transports between them

[covert quarry]

i just completed tier 2 and can't get into phase 1? do i have to wait?

[lilac bear]

Miners

[zinc mesa]

no, you need to build the space elevator

[sullen gull]

Did you build the Space Elevator?

[covert quarry]

yes

[zinc mesa]

did you feed the phase 1 items into the space elevator ui

[sullen gull]

Did you make the parts to complete phase 1? (Smart plating)

[lilac bear]

Is the flying thing not back yet?

[sullen gull]

This too. However, the first few milestones, the carrier returns rather quicklly

[covert quarry]

is it in the crafting table or workshop? can't find it

[zinc mesa]

@sullen gull the idea of ltn is that you can use trains very cheaply. you just slap down a station and do a bit of configuring and the items come to you

[covert quarry]

it is

[sullen gull]

You cannot hand craft space elevator parts.

It's a recipe in the Assembler.

[covert quarry]

oh thanks 🙂

[zinc mesa]

@sullen gull I think satisfactory tries to view things in terms of routes and flows, whereas factorio in ltn mode reformulates it in terms of demand and supply, with the train routing being incidental

[sullen gull]

I mean, while I admit I am not very versed on trains in this game, but I was under the impression that was feesible with the current system?

[zinc mesa]

as it is you have to permadedicate one train to every route

[sullen gull]

Ahh, another "Why isn't Satisfactory more like Factorio 😭 " .... 🤦‍♂️

[sick falcon]

can i feed multiple ingredients into a building via the same port?

[zinc mesa]

yes, I 100% cop to this. I think factorio gets trains right and satisfactory does not :p

[sullen gull]

Using smart/programmable spilliters, sure. But can be more dificult to manage

[sullen gull]

I have a save that someone made a while back you may like 😏

[sick falcon]

wbt without splitters, just feeding it into a single port

[zinc mesa]

@sullen gulloh yeah, another factor is that you only need one station per building.

the beautiful map, big as it is, is imo actually kinda too small when you get trains involved

[sullen gull]

You do only need one station... mutliple "cars" however.

[zinc mesa]

no you only need one station one cargo depot

this actually makes "skyscraper builds" viable

[sullen gull]

Firstly, look up Hornslet's Global rail network. Second, one sec while I find the save

[ember moon]

I always have two cargo stations just for iron and copper

[sick falcon]

#screenshots message is there a more elegant way to feed multiple manufacturers than this?

[zinc mesa]

@sullen gull look at the hornslet screenshots. note how they're all of train routes and the only two with buildings have huge buildings.

note how if you do multiple cargo stops the sending station has to match to the receiving station. note how this once again provides evidence that satisfactory thinks in terms of flows, not packets.

[dim spoke]

i gave up with the machine ill just have a manually fed machine for the stuff

[zinc mesa]

everything in satisfactory is designed around a point to point concept.

[dim spoke]

its not too hard to move some nails and rods from storage a to sotrage b

so ill not make a machine for those stuff yet

[sullen gull]

Check DM's

[zinc mesa]

@sullen gull I just don't see how this gets away from the fundamental problem.

[sullen gull]

But, at the end of the day. Satisfactory =/= Factorio. If you want/need to mod the game to suit your needs, that's one thing. But this game was not meant to be similar

[zinc mesa]

shrugs

[ember moon]

#screenshots message @zinc mesa would you do this for iron and copper and nothing else???

[zinc mesa]

@ember moon I don't understand what you mean

[queen slate]

#screenshots message what did u use to make this?

[ember moon]

2 cargo

instead of 1

[zinc mesa]

I don't really have an opinion on the number of cargo, ltn doesn't force it one way or the other

[sick falcon]

when does the ficmas stuff go away

and what happens to all the ficsmas items when that happens

[sullen gull]

Satisfactory Modeler. Free on Steam.

[queen slate]

Cools thx I usually just use tools

[sullen gull]

Jan 17th/18th. But you won't loose anything. It will just stop generating presents afaik.

[sick falcon]

wbt the ficmas tab in the builder

[ember moon]

they should just allow you to enable what update you want tbh

Or "seasonal" event has happened

[unkempt blade]

sorry you have to keep ficsmas in your hearts not in your save files when it's out of season

[sullen gull]

I belive that goes away as well.

[ember moon]

#design-and-architecture message why is it so much darker on my other monitor lol

[unkempt blade]

monitor gremlins... or maybe settings?

[sullen gull]

Gamma lower on one? Backlight going out? Different refresh rates?

[unkempt blade]

yeah or gremlins

[sullen gull]

That's why I keep a Gremlin Bell near 🙂

[ember moon]

oh wait the oine I was viewing it on was an Oled monitor

[fluid crow]

is there a way to select your weapon by hot bar or something?

[sullen gull]

Unfortunately no

However, know that when you open the TAB menu, you can used 1-5 for the "Equipment Shortcuts" while it's open. So you can switch between hoverpack/jetpack/parachute and such .

[fluid crow]

thanks. scrolling though is getting pretty bad the more hand slots I get 😭

[fluid crow]

cool, thanks!

[sullen gull]

Yeah... iirc the max is 6. 5 though because one should always have a Coffee Cup 😛

[fluid crow]

you need your ugly stick and you get your coffee cup 😭

[sullen gull]

The basher?

[fluid crow]

yea or whatever

[sullen gull]

Heh, only thing I carry anymore is The ||Gold|| cup, rifle, rebar gun, detonator, and some berries 😛

[fluid crow]

hopefully someday a radial menu or adding to a hot bar would be a nice feature

[sullen gull]

You are aware you can change ammo types at least via a radial menu right?

[fluid crow]

I haven't tried ti use any alternative ammo yet, but good to know

[sullen gull]

Hold R, or whatever Reload is on console, and it should pop up

[wispy osprey]

I need to prepare and store about 12 full industrial storages of canisters to recycle

[oak nymph]

Square usually

[fluid crow]

I'm usually a k+m fan, is controller worth trying for this game?

[sullen gull]

But ... but my xbox doesn't have a squaaaare 😭

[sullen gull]

Personally I say no. But some seem to enjoy it.

[weary moat]

Is there a tool in where I input the "inputs" and tells me how many of an output (I select) it produces based on them per min ? Every tool seems the other way around , select the output and tells you the input needed

[sullen gull]

Satisfactory Tools (Website) and/or Satisfactory Modeler (Free PC app on steam)

[sullen gull]

doesn't actually have an Xbox.....

[queen slate]

Pc is better anyway (not biased ;D)

[sullen gull]

Better for mix of what you can do. Other wise, for "simplicity", I fee that's where console's shine.

[oak nymph]

I tried both and console is easier but PC more precise

[queen slate]

True but imo it’s worth the extra complexity because there are much less limits

[zinc mesa]

https://github.com/FeepingCreature/sfplanner uploaded

@weary moat funny you should say that lol

oh wait my bad I'm an idiot, it's the other way around. I misread what you said

[sullen gull]

Not saying I disagree 😏

[queen slate]

and kbm is nicer for some games (not all) but some

[sullen gull]

I feel like the only game ive played (there aren't many tbh) where I preferred a controller was GTAV 😛

[queen slate]

I’ve played a few soulsborne games and I don’t know what they were thinking with the kbm binds and you can’t rebind them easily

Sf is the first kinda automating game I’ve played as I don’t think Minecraft counts

[sick falcon]

how much nuclear waste do plants produce

[sullen gull]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Nuclear_Power_Plant

Not sure how I am feeling about it yet .... #screenshots message

672 gens ....

Oh, wait .. no... missing 12 gens ....

[covert quarry]

can i put a miner on top of foundations?

[sullen gull]

Yes. You can also use a road barrier to align the foundation to the miner if you'd like.

[covert quarry]

thx

[sullen gull]

#design-and-architecture message

[stone fern]

anyone want to subscribe to my factories OF?

[sullen gull]

Just because they added fans in the game doesn't mean you have to go and exploit them!

[stone fern]

[dim spoke]

why does the parachute increase interaction range

[sullen gull]

As does the hoverpack. But don't have an answer to the "why" 😛

[dim spoke]

not complaining tho, its useful :)

[ember moon]

satisfactory could be a good pvp game ngl

[dry sage]

New to the game. If I wanted at least 90 coal input to my 2 forges and have 2 spare normal coal deposits with Mk1 miners on each, would I just be able to merge 2 into 1 line and would it work that way, or should I just put 1 line into each forge?

[ember moon]

what mark conveyor do you have

[dry sage]

2

[ember moon]

I think you should be able to get away with it

[gritty ridge]

Guys what should I do I feel stuck in the game like I’m getting demotivated watching other peoples builds and I’m like super behind for how much playtime I have

[stone fern]

you should use the satisfactory calculator 🙂

[dry sage]

When I get that way with any game, I stop checking out things regarding that game, and just play and explore, have fun, etc.

[gritty ridge]

But when I try doing that I just think about what I should be building and it makes me get back to building

[ember moon]

look at the one resource your stuck on and focus on automating that

[upper gale]

Get 60 from one node and underclock the other node to 30. Then combine both into a single mk2 line

[dry sage]

Well, I have 129 hours in the game so far and am only just now getting to making steel.

[ember moon]

could also do 45 and 45

[upper gale]

Yeah

[gritty ridge]

Then I think about transporting this resource to another area for it to construct other stuff I’d name in overthinking

[dry sage]

Thanks @upper gale and @ember moon

[odd remnant]

Rookie numbers, gotta have 300 to 400 hrs

[ember moon]

dont overthink it just do it

[odd remnant]

I'm still on phase 3 and 400 hrs lol

[dry sage]

See? To each their own!

[ember moon]

get the satisfactory calculatorand just find what you can do to make it eficient

[odd remnant]

I agree

[clear tartan]

so how many oil extractors can go to a refinery

[ember moon]

4

if max overclocked

[golden nexus]

It depends on the node, the power shards and the recipie

[clear tartan]

plastic

not sure about the node

[golden nexus]

Find that out...

Also mk1 or mk2 pipes?

[ember moon]

honestly just get mk2 pipes as fast as you cna

[upper gale]

Nah dw about it, especially the paytime. Hours don't mean much anyway, I've played with people that have over 2k hours and it's not what it seems. It's just a game so don't really need to have high expectations of yourself yk move at your own pace it's fine

[broken niche]

is there any better fuel sorce for fuel power generaters at phase 4

[worldly portal]

are there windows that are like on a 45 degree vertical angle

[ember moon]

no

[ember moon]

dont think so

[upper gale]

Hold up there sorta is

I gotta find it rq though