satisfactory

[versed cosmos]

but youre thinking along the right track for later when fhe resources for a part wont be near each other and distant factories need to start working together

[hazy hinge]

How would I make distant ones work together either really long conveyer or train

[spare cradle]

Do you have train?

[hazy hinge]

In the process of getting it

[spare cradle]

Then train/

[hazy hinge]

First I’m getting fuel power

8 coal plants on max overclock use a lot of coal which I need for steel

[wispy osprey]

"Hey guys I wanna build directly on water"

"You're too far away from everything, Inefficient"

"Hey guys I wanna move raw iron/copper/caterium by train!"

"Inefficient, playing the game wrong"

"New idea, what if I-"

"Inefficient, you're playing the game wrong"

"But-"

"Inefficient"

"what if I-"

"Inefficient, follow the meta ONLY"

[hazy hinge]

Totally don’t ignore 99% of metas cus they make everything boring after like an hour

[fast ruin]

train is nice cause it use power which is easely available and you can just pop a wire instead of having to send fuel. The downside is the infrastructure (laying rails and station)

otherwise it's very noice

[wispy osprey]

Calculating transport, time tables, and how much product per sec is another downside

[hazy hinge]

Wait you calculate those I was just gonna send more than needed by like a few tons

[wispy osprey]

It depends on how fast the stations fill

If your train takes a long time to reach a station making product, it could sit on overflow that whole time

[hazy hinge]

Ah suppose that’s a bad thing

Cus then there would be a constant overflow would there not

[wispy osprey]

Train picks up the full station, turns around, and the return trip is long enough to cause another overflow

[wide harbor]

How long does Fixmas last for?

[wispy osprey]

I don't know the exact term but it's just an example

[hazy hinge]

I see

[wispy osprey]

I want to prevent that as much as I can in my playthrough

[fast ruin]

that if you do double way train

otherwise you can add others trains to keep pick up

[wispy osprey]

So; no tracks long enough to cause overflow, but not too short to bring less

[wispy osprey]

As long as traffic isn't an issue on the rail

[hazy hinge]

Can train transport power

[wispy osprey]

I actually don't know that yet

[fast ruin]

if the line is long enough to cause overflow you shouln't have traffic problem

what do you mean by transporting power

[hazy hinge]

Like store power and take it somewhere else and dump into battery’s

[fast ruin]

no

[wispy osprey]

Does a rail work like a power line

[fast ruin]

rail are powered tho so hoverpack works

[hazy hinge]

So I have to use the big pylons

[wispy osprey]

So if I connect the rail to a station it'll power on

[hazy hinge]

For long transport of power to another place

[fast ruin]

no you can't connect rail to anything for power

[wispy osprey]

Nice, I actually have to put powerlines all over the map now

Amazing

[fast ruin]

pylon

big pylons

[wispy osprey]

What???

Is that a mod, I play vanilla

[hazy hinge]

How big is the map never fully bin over it only ever really stayed in 1 biomes

[hazy hinge]

Nope it’s vanilla

[fast ruin]

map is very big

[hazy hinge]

U get them the tier before oil

Like in one of them 2 tiers

[hazy hinge]

It’s seems like endless desert when I explore

[wispy osprey]

Pylons?

[fast ruin]

depend where you started

[feral jay]

You're playing the game wrong

:p

[hazy hinge]

Yes the big power line pylons not the small ones

[fast ruin]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Power_Tower

these

[wispy osprey]

Yeah that's what I mean

They're just double the length

[peak wasp]

how do you build a curved road?

[wispy osprey]

Which isn't a lot in map scale

[feral jay]

With tips and tricks, it's not a thing built into the game

[wispy osprey]

A lot of the limits are too small for map scale

[spare cradle]

I, for one, feel like making a concrete megastructure. I don't have enough resources for that.

-# I may be stupid

[peak wasp]

will we ever get curved roads?

[wispy osprey]

I'm just gonna send pylon lines all across the ground and keep trains up

Items go up fluid stays down

[hazy hinge]

Probably costs less to do that

[feral jay]

Nobody knows

[wispy osprey]

That and pathing train lines is easier

Can you keep a secret?

I secretly want to transport raw ores to water even if it is inefficient

[hazy hinge]

Reasonable

But why to water

You built on water

[wispy osprey]

Refinement

Refineries are strong

[hazy hinge]

My whole factory runs off a small oasis I’m running dry with like 10 water extractors

Coal generators on max overclock use lots of water and coal

[wispy osprey]

I left coal behind when I made my turbofuel plant

[wicked nacelle]

Eventually you want it for diamonds anyhow

[wispy osprey]

Yes

[sullen gull]

Why anyone woulld remove power after it was built is beyond me...

Outside of Biomass. Which even then only consumes if needed.

[wispy osprey]

I haven't removed it, it's 6000 mw of coal plants

The rest is turbofuel

[sullen gull]

Regardless, that's 6GW that's already running 😛

[sullen gull]

but yes, I see now. It's still part of the grid, you just haven't messed with coal since then?

[earnest ember]

dumb question but is using the interactive map encouraged

[sullen gull]

I mean, if you don't care about "spoilers" 🤷‍♂️

[wispy osprey]

Yeah, just using it with sulfur for compacted coal or powder

[earnest ember]

what would count as a spoiler?

[sullen gull]

Seeing the entirity of the map, item locations, node locations, cave entrances, etc

[earnest ember]

ah i see

[sullen gull]

Without finding them "on your own"

[wispy osprey]

I felt like it was useful more than anything to know where stuff is

[sullen gull]

I 100% agree tbh. But there are some who don't want any outside influence on their game.

[earnest ember]

i got frustrated at the spawn point recommended for beginners

[sullen gull]

Grass Fields?

[wispy osprey]

I was like this with logistics instead until I learned how to build an efficient coal plant

[earnest ember]

yeah its all normal or impure nodes

[wispy osprey]

Now math is super easy

[sullen gull]

It really doestn't matter where your spawn point is. You can very easily travel to another part of the map and build. Move your hub and you will spawn in the "new" area if/when you die.

[wispy osprey]

It's actually the more annoying region of the map too lol

[sullen gull]

The wiki images for coal gens provide perfect setups for starter coal

[earnest ember]

ive actually never thought of that

[wispy osprey]

I think one of my favorite regions might be the swamp because a continuous OST is playing

[sullen gull]

It's great because it's wide open and a lot of flat area... but yeah, node quality and distance leaves something to be desired. Imo, the rocky desert should be the main starter location.

[feral jay]

You are evil, and should be drawn and quartered

[wispy osprey]

I also really like caves

[sullen gull]

The great thing about this game is that unless you trash it or sink it, you never really "loose" anything that you've made.

[wispy osprey]

I know it's dangerous territory but at least it isn't practically half radioactive like the tall dark forest

A lot of scary mobs there

[sullen gull]

And, you can reallly never "miss out" on anything as there are enough of story items on the map for a myriad (bringing it back 😏 ) of possibilities.

[sullen gull]

sadist 😏

[feral jay]

Dude that word is SO 2024

[wispy osprey]

It's one of, it's not my number 1 fav

[whole drum]

It's really more like 2003

[wispy osprey]

My number 1 favorite location goes to the oil beach

[whole drum]

It was in the intro sequence of the original Star Ocean 2 in PS1

[wispy osprey]

3 pure nodes there

[feral jay]

A myriad of years

[whole drum]

of stars*

Need to make a factory that is a myriad of pyramids

[wispy osprey]

I think a decent amount of the playerbase makes an evil lair pyramid

[atomic girder]

That would look cool ngl

[wispy osprey]

It isn't an original idea

[whole drum]

What if they are upside-down tho?

[sullen gull]

Honestly, I still say the rocky desert is the "perfect" place. As it's right bwtween all the oil on the spire and west coast and has a good bit of ore as well.

BUT... I consider "far" to be greater than 2km as welll 😛

[whole drum]

I give it to N. Forest, but Rocky is super close

[sullen gull]

Which actually isn't competley true either lol.

[wispy osprey]

There's a nice chunk of pure iron nodes somewhere in the middle region with a pure limestone and pure copper nearby

[feral jay]

You're fired. That is an incorrect use of this 2024 word.

[wispy osprey]

So much iron...

[whole drum]

Eat lots of steak

[wispy osprey]

Delicious

[sullen gull]

NF is good for it's selection of ores, but not so great for "buildabilty" unless one has a SUPER creative mind imo

[feral jay]

Well I automated all the filters, plus shatter rebar, and doubled my compacted coal production tonight

[whole drum]

I love verticality, so it's very pleasant to me

[wispy osprey]

I actually want to completely re-do my turbofuel plant setup but it's... a lot

[whole drum]

At least it isn't redoing rocket fuel

[sullen gull]

Like, there was a build a while ago that was done on the side of a cliff that was really cool. I can picture who did it in my mind, but can't remember the name....

[feral jay]

My ammo factory is almost complete, I think all I need is nuke and gas nobs now

[wispy osprey]

I believe I at least shouldn't have to rebuild the generators

But my compact coal making doesn't keep up

[whole drum]

Gonna train some more in?

[feral jay]

I've had the same problem this save, started in the rocky desert and there's not a lot of sulphur nearby, I actually rushed Mk.3 miners and bought a few fused frames to get more sulphur

[wispy osprey]

I conveyored coal and sulfur there for the time being

[whole drum]

I love belts, but lots of people here like trains

[wispy osprey]

I also like trains but I need to setup a highway still

[feral jay]

Trains take up a lot of space when you only need 10/min of something

[wispy osprey]

When all of that is done I'll rebuild my turbofuel plant

[wispy osprey]

I like making things fast

If everything works out I want to design a central hub at the pure oil node near the center of the map

[feral jay]

I fly planes upside down, I get my fast kicks when I kick grass (/notsohumblebrag)

But that's not a very analytical thing, I get my analytical kicks playing complex video games

[wispy osprey]

There's just something about satisfactory that I can't describe

[sullen gull]

Talking about long pipes/belts: #screenshots message

[wispy osprey]

If i told a normal person that I'm really into a logistics math factory game they'd probably look at me funny

[sullen gull]

Dude, I have no qualms or scruples, I tell everyone about this game 🤣

[wispy osprey]

It's so damn good

[feral jay]

Actually, when I tell people that, the response is usually something along the lines of "well that doesn't sound like a game for ME, but it sure sounds like a game for YOU"

[sullen gull]

I've even got a few of my customers/maintenance guys to buy this game for themselves or their kids lol

[wispy osprey]

That was a lot of my friends reaction to my FFXIV phase

[feral jay]

I'm doing the endgame for FFX right now, same thing, sooo many people don't get why it's such a great game

[sullen gull]

Have a co-worker like this. He is more into the samurai fighter style games.... elder scrolls esque 😛

[feral jay]

Scratches a different itch but a great game

[sullen gull]

Is it wrong that I tried to play FFVII remastered (or w/e it was called) and it was more "cringe" than the original? 😛

I think it's because I could "hear" the dialog vs reading it 🤣

[feral jay]

I've never played it, so... no spoilers please

I intend to

[sullen gull]

The original final fantasy 7?

[feral jay]

Correct

Arguably the greatest video game of all time

[sullen gull]

never played that? commaan, I thought you were old like me?! 😛

[feral jay]

Born in '79

But I missed that game for some reason

[sullen gull]

You got two on me 🙂

[whole drum]

I usually take this as "I'm not smart enough for that game, but my ego won't let me admit it."

[feral jay]

Nah that's not fair, I know some really smart people who just don't like "smart" games when they're not... being paid to be smart. They like to turn off their brains. I just can't.

I too enjoy a good FPS from time to time, so I get it

[unkempt blade]

also this game really isn't that difficult unless you choose to make it difficult 😆

[sullen gull]

See, I program and teach people how to program robots for a living lol, I can teach your grandma how to program a robot probably 🤣 .

[wispy osprey]

I'm waiting until VII remake is "done" before I play it fully

[feral jay]

It's not difficult but it's complex

[whole drum]

Maybe you can teach me Swift once I get a Macbook, lol

[sullen gull]

People don't give themselves enough credit imo

[sullen gull]

I would have to know Swift first 😏

[feral jay]

I live by that mantra, people really don't

[whole drum]

😄

[wispy osprey]

I need to get better at train math

[sullen gull]

I mean, sadly I am totally a pot calling the kettle and all, but still.. 😛

[stone python]

1+4=9

[sullen gull]

7

[wispy osprey]

For now less stops is better

[sullen gull]

Wait, no, 42

[feral jay]

Like I do shade-mechanic repairs on my cars with my nine year old nephew, and if he can understand "the gas goes in here, the air goes in here, it goes boom, and the smoke goes out here" then don't tell me you, as a functioning adult, can't grasp that concept. I refuse to believe that you can't.

[unkempt blade]

I mean there's certainly a floor on complexity but if you listen to some people around here you'd think you must be picking the best things and building them a certain way and making sure efficiency is 100% or you can't have fun or finish the game

and that's just not true, you can screw around and get there eventually

[wispy osprey]

Resources are infinite

Taking advantage of this is part of the gameplay

[feral jay]

Assuming infinite time, yes. There are myriad infinities.

[unkempt blade]

I think even just going by the normal person's computer there's more resources than you can use before your computer craps out

[sullen gull]

There is some definite "IT MUST ME THIS WAY RHAHRH" types. But, just like many other "neuro divergent" individuals, it can be "easy" to get fixated on a single train of thought imo.

[feral jay]

Given that my game is 250 game days old, the amount of resources I can have possibly extracted in 250 days is, in fact, finite.

[feral jay]

Honestly I get the same way when I get all high and mighty and correct people with "No it need NOT be this way!"

[sullen gull]

I have wished there was a way I could figure out some "fun" satistics on my play time. I was introduced in Aug '24, and became addicted severely 😒

[wispy osprey]

One single iron ingot factory can branch out, you can choose what to power on or overflow production

I love that I figured this out on my own

[feral jay]

I mean, for all intents and purposes, even just the ficsmas gifts I've stockpiled are effectively inifinite at this point

[sullen gull]

I really do legitimately try to convey that my thoughts are merely personal opinion based on experience and knowledge. But I kinda feel I fail at that a bit because I still get considered a "know-it-all" 🤷‍♂️

[feral jay]

The difference here is that I, in fact, do know it all

(/s)

[sullen gull]

I always think "I know a lot, but will never know it all"

[feral jay]

All mah pipes are 600/min 💪

I even made it my Reddit flair

[wispy osprey]

All of my turbofuel plant pipes are 600/m for now

[sullen gull]

Psssh, if you ain't 600/min, it's a skill issue! 😏

[wispy osprey]

Progression lock

[sullen gull]

But seriously, it is really hard to get a consistant flow due to machine cycle rates 😛

[wispy osprey]

The machine gives you the answer. (x) amount per (y) time

[feral jay]

Not really, the difficulty comes from people thinking that 600/min is an average, when in fact it's an absolute maximum. If your pipe flows fluctuate even one iota, even for one microsecond, they will never run at 600/min. THey will approach 600/min, but never reach it.

Just even giving pipes some kind of burst/surge capactiy would solve a lot of problems people have with pipes imo

[sullen gull]

Yeah, but what's the chances one would automagically know to connect everything to a single switch so that you can have all the machines on a "synced" rate? 😛

[wispy osprey]

I actually do that now

[feral jay]

I do that. I have at least five independent power grids.

I can turn off every sink in this world with the flip of a switch

[wispy osprey]

All of my branches can be turned off or on in my more competent design

I need to figure out the priority power switch still

It didn't work like I expected

[sullen gull]

I honestly thing that the majority of issues (espesially sloshing) stems from a concept of trying to use pipes like belts in thebeginning. In an "RL" system where to have multiple outputs needing a "constant" flow rate, it's never in a "beadhead" system.

[feral jay]

More or less yeah, the issue is that the fluid mechanics are too realistic, and yet not realistic enough, both at the same time

[sullen gull]

As do I, but I can't say I learned it "intuitively" from the instructions of the game ya know?

[feral jay]

Oh no, the game doesn't explain the concept of independent grids, and I only really started doing them when I could blueprint power poles with multiple connectors, it was just too tedious before that

[sullen gull]

I mean yeah, there are some "oddities" like with head lift directly from a machine starting at the end point of connection from a single pipe, or the odd issue with junctions...

[feral jay]

The big headlift "oddity" is that headlift doesn't depend on the mass of fluid being moved

It's like fluids have momentum, but no mass

[sullen gull]

Ahh, any factory I do anymore, all wires are hidden and I have a single "input" connection at a corner or something. Or it's connected via rail.

[feral jay]

n00b. My rails have their own power grid, as do drones, and hypertubes.

(I spend a stupid amount of time stringing power lines)

[sullen gull]

You are aware that you can transfer power through a rail vs a power tower or poles right? 😛

[feral jay]

I can't use rails to connect power grids, because trains have a variable power draw, ergo they must be on an independent grid

[sullen gull]

Ahhhhh , ok, I see what you did there.

[feral jay]

Yes I'm aware, but due to self-imposed challenges, it doesn't work for me

[wispy osprey]

Power consumption has to be absolutely perfect

[sullen gull]

You want that main point you "look at" to be flat eh? 😏

[open gust]

Would yall recommend having a separate chain for each item or just trying to leave a little extra to pull off of a line to send to storage

[sullen gull]

Depends on what works best for you honestly.

You can do it many ways.,

[placid stirrup]

Or just build such an astronomical amount of power generation such that the grid appears flat to the naked eye

[feral jay]

It very much depends on the situation

[wispy osprey]

I like buffering items to have product basically always ready

[fresh umbra]

does anyone know why my conveyors keep stopping and starting every second?

[feral jay]

I peel off a few circuit boards and connectors from my ammo factory, and that provides what I need for construction. But I don't depend on that for higher teir factories.

[sullen gull]

Ideally, a standard storage container and DD is more than enough for build gun stuff, as for Space Elevator items. those just get sunk after completing a phase.

Unless it's concrete ... need at least 3 dd's worth of concrete 🤣

[feral jay]

But I also engineered that ammo factory specifically to procude an extra 2.5/min circuit boards or whatever

I always have at least two DDs for concrete

It doesn't double the storage capactiy, but it doubles the upload rate

[open gust]

Well I now have 240 iron ingots per minute on one conveyer and I don’t know what to do now lol

[feral jay]

Well, you make stuff with it

[sullen gull]

Well, what phase are you on? What haven't you automated yet? What alts have you gotten?

[feral jay]

And then you make more stuff with the stuff you made

[stoic laurel]

Turn it into screws with the cast screw blueprint

[feral jay]

Eventually, you're drowning in stuff

[sullen gull]

Yes. This. All of it. Screws are llife!

[feral jay]

Get out.

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/puppy-friends-hug-gif-328428449981735107

[open gust]

Phase two. I tore everything down to redo it all. I only have hypertubes left on tier 4 and I have cast screws and 3 unclaimed hard drives

[atomic girder]

Why, I love the cast screws method

[feral jay]

dude... we have two cats... one of them does that to the other. It's so cute.

[sullen gull]

Just wait until you find/use Alu beams and Steel screws! ... Awwwwllll Yeeeeah boi!

[feral jay]

Because screws are evil, and anyone who advocates for screws should be summarily executed. Quickwire too.

[atomic girder]

I've already used it. Im 700 hrs deep

[atomic girder]

I love quickwire even more tho

[sullen gull]

I wish I could get another kitteh. I feell bad for my tortie beind all by her lonesome when I'm away

[open gust]

What breaks big rocks? I used a nuke and it didn’t work

[feral jay]

That's why we got a second, poor guy really needed a friend

[sullen gull]

Which big rocks?

ss?

[feral jay]

"Thermal" and "Nuclear", the coolest names for cats EVER

[atomic girder]

Try nobalsks, if that doesn't work then its not breakable.

[stoic laurel]

#screenshots message

fear the chaos

[open gust]

Dang.

[feral jay]

WHen it's supper time, I just yell "Thermonucelar warfare!" and they come running for food

[sullen gull]

Eh, reason's I won't get into here 😛 DM if you "care" 😏

[feral jay]

I always care, I'm just a caring kinda person.. buuut it's 2AM here

[sullen gull]

Imo, good layout, seems like just getting into some swings of things and such, I give it a 5/7 😛

[sullen gull]

Same TZ my friend 😉

[stoic laurel]

I came back to play because my brother said he was playing it, that’s what my world looked like before I stopped playing

#screenshots message
this is it now

[feral jay]

That is not chaos, and H is "Holster". Good for screenshots.

[stoic laurel]

Still chaotic, but some semblance of trying to become less chaotic

[sullen gull]

Needs moar roofs! 😛

But, I am a bit bias. I am more about the design than the automation... if that makes sense.

[stoic laurel]

But the coffee mug is nice in the screenshot

[feral jay]

oh for sure, just an fyi in case ya didn't know

[stoic laurel]

I honestly didn’t know until this morning when I kept putting my weapon away on accident

[feral jay]

I had the scrollbar stop working because of a bug while fighting a spider army yesterday

er, mousewheel scroll

That was.. fun

[sullen gull]

I've had it where I couldn't hit a number to switch and had to reload.

[feral jay]

Yeah that's a long standing bug

I think it's just incredibly hard to reproduce reliably

I just reload

[sullen gull]

I've gotten so used to reloading anymore. And since someone informed me that Left Alt, right at the CSS logo, bypasses the warnings.... cake.

[stone python]

banana cream

[sullen gull]

Hmmmmmmm Orange Creamsicle ...

[whole drum]

White Russian on ice

[wispy osprey]

🐰 <- just like me fr

[onyx echo]

I decided to rebuild my factory… again and forgot to mass produce reinforced iron plates for conveyors so now I sit here and make them by hand

[whole drum]

I mean, if you're not talking about the drink, the "on ice" part is a bit redundant

Usually not advised to tear down and rebuild anything

[wispy osprey]

You at least have alt: stitched iron plate right?

Skipping screws is better than using them

[stone python]

you can stitch my plates

[onyx echo]

Huh, I got the game today

[wispy osprey]

Ah, nevermind

[onyx echo]

Idk what that mean

[whole drum]

No one does, but it's provocative!

[wispy osprey]

Alternate recipes, worry about them later

[onyx echo]

Uh oh

[wispy osprey]

Phase 2 is a good time to start picking up some of the important ones

[whole drum]

If you don't know what alt recipes are, just work with what you got and continue learning the game

[wispy osprey]

Just know that at some point you'll use 0 screws

[onyx echo]

That sounds good

So just metal plate —-> reinforced metal plate

[stone python]

jokes on you, i love screws

[onyx echo]

They suck to make by hand

[wispy osprey]

Jokes on you I also like using less copper

The only copper recipe I need is sheet

[onyx echo]

Copper for screws

I’m so confused

[wispy osprey]

Iron wire

[onyx echo]

Huh

[whole drum]

If you need a basic layout for rips, try this
https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1448896409859526769

[stone python]

another alt optimus

[whole drum]

Position of buildings isn't critical. Just make sure everything is connected correctly and you're using the right belts.

[wispy osprey]

The spaghetti must grow 🍝

Let it infect your world like a mold

(I'm kidding)

[onyx echo]

Ahhh

This rabbit hole goes down farther than lets game it out ever showed

[whole drum]

Yeah, his series was surprisingly free of most of the learning curve

[onyx echo]

He also has infinite time

It’s funny tho

[wispy osprey]

I like looking down at all of my old bases and abandoned foundations

[onyx echo]

Do power grids get any easier ever

[jagged nymph]

you mean generating power? nah it gets harder

[fresh umbra]

how do i build a pipe upwards? it keeps just saying pipe is too long

[onyx echo]

No, like do the poles and wiring get any easier

I hate I wiring up a power grid

[jagged nymph]

what? that part is super easy, how are you struggling with that

[jagged nymph]

make it shorter

[fresh umbra]

then how can i get it up

[onyx echo]

I’m not struggling it’s just a pain in the ass

[jagged nymph]

make.. make the pipe that goes up shorter

[fresh umbra]

it wont let me place midair

[jagged nymph]

cause you cant do that

you have to place it on something like a foundation

[onyx echo]

Is there a constructer MK.2 that’s faster?

This is painfully slow

[jagged nymph]

no, you just overclock it

[onyx echo]

Wuts that

[jagged nymph]

build multiple

[jagged nymph]

power slugs

[onyx echo]

I have like 6

[onyx echo]

Ohhhh that’s what those do

[jagged nymph]

only? your later factories will have hundreds

[onyx echo]

Oh boy

[jagged nymph]

even early game i use dozens of them

[onyx echo]

I only have like 6 hours into this for now

[jagged nymph]

yeah youre just getting started

[onyx echo]

So the slug goes into the cell thingy and the cell thingy makes my stuff faster?

[jagged nymph]

yea, but only do that if you need to save space, otherwise just use more machines, cause power slugs are a limited resource

[onyx echo]

Ok

[wispy osprey]

For a game about logistical factory design I'm surprised there aren't trailers, hoppers, pallets, or fork lifts

There's similar concepts though

[onyx echo]

There’s no forklift?

[jagged nymph]

i mean theres the factory cart, trucks, tractors, trains, and drones

[wispy osprey]

There's the factory kart for 10 tickets

[onyx echo]

We need the ficsit forklift

[onyx echo]

I don’t have that yet

[wispy osprey]

True

[jagged nymph]

it could be a skin for the factory cart

[onyx echo]

I’ve been busy rebuilding my factory for the third time

Can I put ores in the ticket thingy

[jagged nymph]

yeah but they give barely any points

[wispy osprey]

If items could be boxed, palletized, and sent to a semi trailer imagine the potential

[onyx echo]

AUTO FORKLIFT

[jagged nymph]

you can just put them on a tractor, truck, or factory cart, which does the exact same thing

[wispy osprey]

Likely more efficient than real life logistics too

[whole drum]

Automate carrier pidgeon routes to carry items one at a time to a storage box that feeds some remote production line

[jagged nymph]

lol

[onyx echo]

is 2 crates enough biomass?

With every burner full as well

[whole drum]

Depends what you want them for

Solid Biofuel is what you want tho--not just biomass

[onyx echo]

My only power source

[onyx echo]

Shit

[whole drum]

Once you get into Phase 2, you can set up coal and actually automate your power

[wispy osprey]

It still technically isn't indefinite like coal you'll get if you turned in the smart plating

500 is a lot.....

[whole drum]

So getting through Tiers 1 & 2 and building 50 Smart Plating is the goal on a fresh save

[onyx echo]

I’m in tier 2 I got a ways to go

[wispy osprey]

Manual power is gone for good when you reach coal

[whole drum]

It's 1 tier away, but you need to do Project Assembly

[onyx echo]

A what now

[whole drum]

The space elevator parts

[jagged nymph]

make he 50 smart plates for the space elevator

[onyx echo]

I’m workin on it

How do I deal with the fart spewer thingys

[wispy osprey]

Mycelium MAM research leads to fabric

[onyx echo]

How do i get mycelium

[wispy osprey]

Caves

[onyx echo]

Oh brother

[wispy osprey]

Or near any darker forest areas

[onyx echo]

Noted

[wispy osprey]

Take a chainsaw to any tree-sized blue mushroom you see

Plenty across the map

[onyx echo]

Oo I’ve found those

Gotta love an excuse to use my chainsaw

[sterile blade]

So, how's it progressing? ^^
Also, how's your ratio of headaches to fun?

[wispy osprey]

Just sink the final overflow

[jagged nymph]

just put like 10 industrial containers between every machine, and like 200 at the end of every production line

[wispy osprey]

That's a bit much

[sullen gull]

caves, Or head to blue crater or rocky desert.

[onyx echo]

I got it, fabric acquired

[sullen gull]

Oh, damn... caught by the scroll again.

[sterile blade]

That's one part. But the biggest headaches don't (normally) come from designing, but from trying to find mistakes
Eg: imagine trying to guess which of the hundreds of machines you built around the map, is currently going on/off 😉

[rose lintel]

where does the game store your screenshots?

[sullen gull]

Check #faq . But you should also be able to open the folder via the TAB menu in Photo moda.

[sterile blade]

That was a neat addition

Please don't crosspost :P
I mean, you've waited for a minute, have some patience xD

[wispy osprey]

There's no flaw when it sinks only when the container(s) are full

[sterile blade]

You've avoided to answer the hypothetical. But that's not a hypothetical that you can easily avoid, unless you're a machine that never makes mistakes... As the enormous amounts of players fixing low-tier belts where they should be higher tier can attest to 😆

[wispy osprey]

Dealing with overflow is annoying yes

Hence why I designed intentionally with overflow in mind

[sterile blade]

I mean, ofc, you could just build a base and have everything work at 100% first try (even without overflow management, if it fancies your maths), but as we're humans you won't find someone who managed to do that with more than ~100 machines...
Ie: one will have to be ready to hunt for mistakes if they attempt a "max efficiency" challenge

[jagged nymph]

i have a fun challenge idea

no dismantling challenge

[sterile blade]

I don't quite share that opinion.
I mean, I do prefer not to deal with overflows, but that's just for extra challenge ahahah

[onyx echo]

Wait what math

[jagged nymph]

yeah?

[onyx echo]

I was not told there was math involved

[jagged nymph]

well its a logistics game, ofc youll have to do math

[wispy osprey]

Each machine has their input per min and output per min, open a calculator to see how many manifolds you need

[onyx echo]

Shiiiiiiii

[sterile blade]

Overflow allows to easily handle miss-matches between production and consumption. If one wants to not use overflow but still achieve max efficiency, they'll have to run more strict math for their factories

[wispy osprey]

The same cannot be said about fluid logistics, because fluid logistics is stupid

[sterile blade]

I feel like we're not talking about the same things...

[stone python]

it isnt any more strict, you just build more machines to consume the overflow instead of you know...having it overflow

[onyx echo]

I like your funny words magic man

[jagged nymph]

i mean its not like its calculus, its just stuff like "i need to make 360 iron plates per minute, how many machines is that" like usually one operation shit

[onyx echo]

Oh so easy math, I’ll be fine then

[wispy osprey]

Efficiency is easy because the math is actually easy

[stone python]

ya, the only hard math needed is recursive integration

[sterile blade]

Well, yeah, and that's much more complex than having a single machine capable of always doing that for any throughput xD

[wispy osprey]

The only thing I actually consider difficult is pipe logistics

[onyx echo]

What

[wispy osprey]

If only pipes were 100% efficient

[jagged nymph]

its what now?i aint never heard of that in satisfactory

[stone python]

was doing a /s but forgot to put the /s

[onyx echo]

Huh

[stone python]

it's part of calculus

[onyx echo]

Yeah you’ll never catch me doing calculus

[jagged nymph]

calculus is so fun

[wispy osprey]

I don't remember anything being that complicated besides pipes

[onyx echo]

And I’ll never do it

[jagged nymph]

so sad that school makes people hate the beautiful thing that is math

[onyx echo]

Yeah I hate math with a passion

[wispy osprey]

Math doesn't help much when fluids in pipes act weird

[sterile blade]

Building big factories that constantly keep max efficiency isn't easy. And that involves a lot more than just "does this machine produce enough?" as long range transports, upgrades to facilities, memory loss and other layers of complexity and human errors keep piling up.
Again, it is possible to manage it all perfectly, without issues... But it's hard enough to be a challenge and few pursue it

[jagged nymph]

see now i hate math in school, but i love math outside of school

[stone python]

all of my factories are 100% effencient 🤷‍♂️

it is the only way i build

[wispy osprey]

I need to legit see a water packing plant tutorial

[sterile blade]

"Just" don't use them at max throughput
Jokes aside, that is a very easy fix, albeit at the loss of some of your max-oil-extraction

[rose lintel]

so when it comes to power plants does anything under 100% effiency mean your burning coal faster then the generator is recieving it?

[sullen gull]

I used to say this. Then I took Calc I twice, then finally got to calc II and learned to look at math like a language, and it became kinda fun. But, because I had said the same for so long, my "basics" were/are horrendous .

[jagged nymph]

make it yourself, never copy paste builds from other people blindly. its not that hard, just make containers, package the water

[sterile blade]

Would love to see that in a power draw #screenshots

[jagged nymph]

3b1b my beloved

[wispy osprey]

Fluid logistics...

[jagged nymph]

not that bad brochacho

[onyx echo]

Geometry is the bane of my existence

[sullen gull]

Haven't come across them.

[sterile blade]

Huh?
What do you mean?

[jagged nymph]

https://www.youtube.com/@3blue1brown/videos

[stone python]

that's right, the circle goes in the square hole

[sullen gull]

I googled 😏

Well, duck duck go'd ... but still 😛

[sterile blade]

We got our own version in here
#satisfactory-memes message

[stone python]

they are, there are just a few weird things you have to do when building out pipe systems

[rose lintel]

when you look at the effiecency of machines they have the percentage gauge, if my coal generator says its running at 92% does that mean its burnijg the coal faster then the machine is recieving it?

[sullen gull]

Anywho, Bout to imprint my keynoard into mah face. Stay efficient all you Pioneers! o7

[jagged nymph]

yes

OR its not getting water fast enough

[sterile blade]

Oh, no, the opposite 😆
Machines either go at 100% (ie: never going offline) or less, never more (if you overclock, the max clock becomes the "100%")
So your generators are likely lacking input items

[wispy osprey]

That's what I'm struggling with, how do I become a pipe wizard and mess with the laws of thermodynamics

[terse rain]

idk who I am or how I got here.
I know 2 things
TRAINS
and the factory MUST grow

[stone python]

one must lick a somersloop

[jagged nymph]

no, it means exactly what hes saying. reread it

[wispy osprey]

What does that help with in the context of 600m³ riser pipes

[rose lintel]

why you hate pythons? Amazing animals

[stone python]

by licking the sloop one unlocks 100% of their brain

[jagged nymph]

no not the animal

[feral jay]

Pythons are fine. Whitespace dependent laguages are evil.

[sterile blade]

Huh... Weirdly worded, but yes, I can see that o.O

[terse rain]

I did it once. the somersloop is bubble gum flavored on 1 side and cotton candy/war crimes on the other

[jagged nymph]

yeah, i read it wrong the first time

[stone fern]

anyway to make hypertubes actually fast?

[jagged nymph]

man cannon

[terse rain]

yes

[feral jay]

cannons

[stone fern]

cannons huh

[jagged nymph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMIfjfCCgb0

[feral jay]

It's a bug that became a feature, and you'll have to "exploit" it

[wispy osprey]

Another method of travel people should know is sprint -> crouch slide -> jump

[sterile blade]

Symmetry.
Simmetry is the answer to almost everything (for those who stubbornly want to use MK2 pipes at max rather than ~580/min, that is)

Eg: when placing a 2-way junction, if the two outputs have the same flow/min the system is happy; if the two flows differ, the system might get upset (ie: might see flow issues)

[wispy osprey]

This one had its speed increased recently

[feral jay]

*symmetry

[jagged nymph]

simitree

[sterile blade]

My mobile's keyboard really acts funny

[stone python]

simehtrii

[wispy osprey]

Wouldn't the center be always overflowing if symmetrical outputs are bringing 580m³

[feral jay]

Sounds like a you problem

[terse rain]

put an entrance down. and an exit right in front. copy paste that right in front of the exit. repeat that last step like 5 times.

delete the exits without deleting the tubes.
add an exit like 2-5 feet away from the last entrance and angle it the way you want it to shoot you.
connect that exit to the last entrance.

connect em all to power and walk into the first entrance

[sterile blade]

(Not to discount a lack of grammatical knowledge on my part too )

[feral jay]

!wikisearch hypertube_cannon

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=hypertube_cannon

[stone python]

you are overthinking it. It is as simple as connect the end to the begining if you are running at full 600

problem solved

[feral jay]

Well that link sucked

[sterile blade]

A 2-way junction is supposed to have just left/right outputs
If the flow is less than 600/min, one just doesn't have to care about all these shenanigans as flow is easier to handle ^^

[feral jay]

580/min is easy, because you then have a surge capacity of 20/min. 600/min is not easy, because you have zero surge capacity.

[onyx echo]

Aight im goin to bed it’s 4 am and ive been playing since like 7 pm

[stone python]

you dont need surge capacity

[sterile blade]

If you can avoid (or don't care about) backflow or if your pipes have leeway ^^

[terse rain]

if you put 69 hyper tube entrances in a cannon you get to meet ADA in person

[stone python]

see above where i said connect the end to the begining. solves that issue

[wispy osprey]

Can you share a screenshot example

I'm this not-smart

[sterile blade]

That's "adding leeway"

[feral jay]

Or yes to put it another way, at 600/min, there is no leeway

[jagged nymph]

@fresh umbra relating to your post in screenshots, you know you can make vertical conveyer lifts taller right?... right??

[feral jay]

600/min is an absolute maximum, not an average

If your pipe flows fluctuate at all, even one iota, even for one microsecond, they will only ever approach 600/min, they will never reach it

[stone python]

you wont have this issue if you are at 100% efficiency

[feral jay]

Yes you will, because machines don't output at a constant rate - they "puke" their outputs. They are for all intents and purposes impossible to average.

[stone python]

no, you wont. I run all my system at 100% efficiency, fuel, turbo fuel, and other run it on nuke plants all the time.

[jagged nymph]

let the tubes fill up before turning on the machines theyre outputting to, it fixes this

[stone python]

there are some things you have to do on startup, and a few safeguards, but it is all basic stuff

[feral jay]

THere's tricks, yes, but the fact that people calculate an average, and then depend on a pipe's maximum, is important

[sterile blade]

Let's say you have a 600/min oil pipe. Want to feed 20 refineries with it.
If you put all refineries in one row (single pipe manifold) and feed the manifold from one side, issues would be expected as the first junction in the system would have to split very unevenly (10/600 to the machine, 590/600 to the rest of the manifold).
But if you were to feed the setup from the a junction placed in the middle of the manifold (not connected to machines, just 1 pipe in and 2 pipes out, each pipe out feeding half of the manifold) then the system should be able to handle the flow much more easily.
Note that this last scenario is very similar to "looping the pipe" as that also introduces one additional junction that splits flow in 2 before feeding the manifold

But yeah, I can try adding screenshots if this description is still unclear ^^

[rose lintel]

hmmmmmm just me or the recipies from the fixmas hard drives not that great?

[jagged nymph]

what

[stone python]

you are making something simple overly complicated. It isnt like the pre 1.0 days anymore.

Let the pipes fill up
loop end to begining
make sure 100% uptime on machines

Profit

it really is that simple

[jagged nymph]

what "ficsmas harddrives"

[rose lintel]

from the event calander

[feral jay]

Interesting because I'm trying to make something compicateed into something simple

[jagged nymph]

ohhh those are just normal harddrives, theyure completely random

[sterile blade]

Note that nothing changed in fluid dinamycs from... U6 or U7 ^^

[stone python]

you are trying to make something you think is complicated into something simple, when it already is simple

[stone python]

they fixed the issue with mk2 pipes at full capacity in 1.0

cause there used to actually be a problem

[rose lintel]

ah, i got one for modular frame that uses 56 screws, instead of 12 rods...i mean yea i get 5 per minutes instead of 2 but seems kinda costly

[feral jay]

No no no, I guess what I'm trying to illustrate is "why the loop", and that's an... interesting thing

[jagged nymph]

yeah idk who the fuck would ever use that recipe

[sterile blade]

Nope. No changes there AFAIK, and I keep a close eye on logistics... Can you point out the patch note or wiki note detailing the change you're talking about?

[stone python]

masochists

[dense violet]

recipes are situational and everyone will want different things

For example Bolted frames go BRRR with steel screws

[feral jay]

Yes, always loop your fluids.. but why?

[jagged nymph]

no

[stone python]

there were, they have even spoken abvout it on livestreams post 1.0

[dense violet]

for example, this unit of machines takes in 36 ppm and spits out 10 modular frames per min

[jagged nymph]

counter argument, steel rods

[dense violet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1425811234363801732/1425812876182163496/image.png?ex=6959ab78&is=695859f8&hm=baa9c36d3e41b02022865565da13521490ed269daf101c525097af9a8cf19472&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[stone python]

i like this

[dense violet]

it barely costs anything more than the vanilla recipe and spits out parts like a champion

[sterile blade]

Funny how we saw different things then... Would be nice if we had a record of all changes made to the game that could clear things up, yeah? :P

[jagged nymph]

but it uses 56 parts per minute instead of 12. no

[stone python]

exactly, go back and read the notes, it is in there

[dense violet]

whats your point?
also you're bad at reading, it uses 140 screws pm

at 100%
crank that puppy to 250%

[jagged nymph]

ah so its even worse than i thuoght

[sterile blade]

I can't find a note about something nonexistent. That's why I asked you (who brought the claim) to find it

[dense violet]

how is it worse?

[jagged nymph]

using 140 screws per minute is way worse than 56 per minute?

[feral jay]

I'm finding it interesting, coming back to the game after six months or so, that "always loop your liquids" has really taken off, but I'm not seeing a lot of people understanding why it matters

[dense violet]

my brother in christ, Steel Screws exist. You have 1 contructor making screws in that image feeding both bolted plates and frames

[jagged nymph]

ive never looped my fluids and not had issues

[stone python]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m36IDlbrKI

[feral jay]

I do and I don't, it depends

[stone python]

now ill go find the patch note since you seemingly cant do your own research

[dense violet]

Steel Beams become just a box of screws that get immediately consumed

[feral jay]

There's no need to be insulting

[stone python]

riiiight, pound sand striek

[jagged nymph]

steel rods also exist. needing 140 items per minute is wild, you need so many more belts to cart all those scres around. you pump that to 250 percent thats only 2 machines with one mark 5 belt.

[dense violet]

steel rods take up a ton of space. If you're using heavy screw recipes that'll be pain ofc

[jagged nymph]

steel screws takes up the same amount of space??

you gotta be ragebaiting

[stone python]

[sterile blade]

Interestingly, there's have been a (imo convincing) theory about these coming up the past few months:
Splitting fluids unevenly seems to ruin flow; so when one just feeds a manifold from one side, the first split is extremely imbalanced (most should go towards the rest of the manifold, a bit to the first machine). But when one feeds that from both sides, incidentally they also split the feed pipe into 2 even streams first, avoiding that terrible flow difference

[dense violet]

you're going ' O M G , it takes up so much ppm' when you're using one of the most expansive ways of making screws

[jagged nymph]

no, im saying dont make screws

[feral jay]

Can you link me to something?

[dense violet]

yes because you keep arguing for awkward ways of making them.

also Screws from Steel Rods do not take up the same space as Steel Beams.

1 machine makes 40 screws pm for rods
1 machine makes 260 pm for beams

these are not the same thing

260 > 40

[jagged nymph]

im saying DONT MAKE SCREWS AT ALL. the normal frame recipe uses rods, not screws

[dense violet]

yeah you are. For no apparent reason. Steel screws is very compact especially with Bolted Frames

[feral jay]

Been out of the gane for a few months

[dense violet]

Mod frame and Bolted frame use basically the same ingredients but are much more compact with the right recipoes

[sterile blade]

Mhh, I don't recall the specific conversation, sorry... The only thing I can link is a post I made a few years back that incidentally kinda gives credit to the idea (fluid "load-balancing" based on simmetrical pipework)...

[dense violet]

like maybe yo ustill have screw trauma from the early days of the game when you didn't manage them - but boy can you make some extremely tight set ups with them

[feral jay]

No but you meantioned the last few months, and I've heard some talk that something new's been figured out about fluids

A few years back isn't very useful to that

[dense violet]

and from memory Steeled Frame takes up significantly more resources?

[jagged nymph]

no im simply saying in this case there is no reason to use them because its more items per minute, meaning you need more belts to feed them, and more logistics to sort out. or you could simply use 1/5 the amount of items per minute with the normal recipe

[feral jay]

Something specific about fluid splitting and merging at max rates

[jagged nymph]

im not talking about steeled frame, im talking about the normal modular frame recipe

[dense violet]

you don't need more belts. I explained it to you several times
steel screw to constructor directly fed to the assembler

a belt of steel beams becomes like 40,000 screws pm on it

a single belt

[jagged nymph]

and im saying when each machine needs 140 ppm instead of 30 ppm, you need 3x the amount of belts

[dense violet]

... you dont. You put a constructor directly in front of it.

and effectively feed it a few steel beams

[stone python]

speaking of fluids, what is everyone hoping to get out of 1.2 in regards to fluids

[dense violet]

that pipes explode when pipe them wrong and kill yoru computer

[feral jay]

Simplify them somehow, to end the endless questions

Honestly I want surge capacity in pipes, it will end a LOT of consternation

[sterile blade]

Oh, the news have mainly been (in order of discovery):

• There's a fluid parameter that "agitates" fluids; reducing this via Modding seems to "fix" a few issues (eg: fluid always flowing in pipes, even when it should clearly be at rest instead of trying to climb higher without any pumps...)
• Junctions act weird and can lead to wrong flow calculations when placed vertically (ie: if the outputs have different heights). There's also been an actual patch adressing their size but I don't recall whether that affected flow or what...
  The discoveries about junctions are what brought on the hypothesis about not using vertical junctions and making sure that their outputs carry similar amounts of flow

[jagged nymph]

fluid freezer that freezes fluid into freezed fluid

[feral jay]

There's a mod that lets you inspect those hidden paramaters, pressure and such

Maybe that would be a good way to explore it

[stone python]

so freezing it for transport as a solid?

[jagged nymph]

yes. also mk3 pipe that does 25000 per minute

[sterile blade]

Do note that (unless @stone python can verify their claim), there have been no relevant changes to fluid dinamycs in the past few years... That post is still as relevant today as it was then, with the same fluid mechanics ^^

[feral jay]

No you're right, no changes, but a few new findings

[stone python]

i litterally posted a video of snutt confirming they fixed it as of 1.0. what more do you want

your refusal to believe it isn't my problem. you can keep on being misinformed all you want.

[feral jay]

Which post btw

[jagged nymph]

right here is the proof he provided

[sterile blade]

A patch where, rather than replying about a vague question about a vague bug, they actually adress something in the code.
There have been several misunderstandings around pipe mechanics, and them "not working" while CSS confirmed that they do was one.
Incidentally, the video you linked did fuel misinformation about them actually changing something about fluids in 1.0, but AFAIK it actually refers to the last change they made, removing fluid loss (U6).

Which is why it's better to track patch notes than just refer to YouTube videos

[sterile blade]

#math-and-meta message

[feral jay]

Patch notes are meh in this game and only really verified by experimentation

[sterile blade]

Ahahah, you nailed the point I was about to make

[feral jay]

Oh shit I remember that post

[sterile blade]

Even when following patch notes, sometimes things fall through the cracks. Like when they did fix the U6 fluid loss, but forgot to add it in PatchNotes (this has been all confirmed later, but still lacking in official #patch-notes)

[mortal ginkgo]

I want them to give up on this "realistic bruh" pipe flow crap and make sloshing something we can actually control.

I got mk2 pipes working 100%, and I still think the code is stupid.

[feral jay]

Won't happen. The game uses a "realistic" fluid mechianics simulator, and fucking with it is beyond the ken of the current dev team.

[mortal ginkgo]

I love when a game I play have "oh so realistic" fluid systems while also allow the ability to make foundations on the sky that just... floats.

Pipe system is outsourced, fayt me.

YES I SAID IT.

[feral jay]

More or less, yeah, that's the problem

[mortal ginkgo]

or out side of joking, the guy who made the code is no longer in company 😛

[feral jay]

yes that too

[sterile blade]

Simon ate the original pipe code

[feral jay]

Just lkike the guy who wrote the train logic

[stone python]

idk what to tell you man, it was fixed and part of the other 3312 bug fixes they fixed for 1.0, of which they decided to not list them out at all. Sure, you could say that a lack of them calling out exactly what bugs were fixed can lead to a ton of speculation and misinformation. However, tons of people run full mk2 systems without any issues. May take some trial and error, but it is possible and almost always boils down to user error.

Now, that isnt saying they also couldn't make the entire system easier, and teach more about pipe systems in the actual game because let's be honest. Beyond a few tiny snippets when you first unlock fluids, the game never touched on it again and you are essentially left fumbeling around in the dark

[feral jay]

That's a very fair criticism

[mortal ginkgo]

If a system of yours need a MANUAL by made someone else (who also is not guaranteed that stuff works like this 100% and does not guarantee solutions) outside of your company, something is wrong.

Again, before someone says "UHHHH ATCHUALLY IF YOU DO X Y AND Z ALL PROBLEMS SOLVED ITS A U PROBLEM BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUH", I got my mk2 pipes working 100% with zero issues. So you are free to go copy paste that in reddit where majority of the posts are about pipes that are not piping.

Just because I manage to make them work, doesn't exclude the fact that majority of playerbase are having problems, and again, the system is stupid. Code is stupid.

[silk rose]

can we have tier 8 fluid sink?

[stone python]

i hate that i have to link the pipe manual to people and they are like "oh i didnt know this even existed!"

Because it shouldnt have to

[wispy osprey]

Today I learned that you can snap place water extractors next to each other

This is very useful

[feral jay]

More fair to say it's complex, rather than stupid, and therefore very diffficult yo fix

[sterile blade]

Yeah, I have a few qualms with the tutorial system too, even outside of the glaring information hole that is fluid dynamics (cue my annoyance when clicking on the newly added "piping manual" in the HUB doesn't actually open up the Piping Manual by McGalleon)

That aside, I truly believe there have been no changes to fluids in 1.0. Not just based on the lack of patch notes about it, but on the lack of differences in the system. If something changed and they didn't tell about it, we would have noticed. There's people who do very detailed tests about these: such people were the ones who found out about the fluid-loss bug being fixed just a few days after it was omitted in the patch-notes. I sincerely doubt that they would fail to notice changes in over one year, especially given how they've (supposedly) been advertised on stream

[stone python]

you can also snap place the first one as well:

Build foundation in water
build viewing tower on it (forgot its name)
Huzzah, extractor will snap next to it

[sterile blade]

BTW, water Extractors also snap to junctions placed on foundations at water level ^^

[mortal ginkgo]

It is stupidly complex.

And its not even realistic to begin with.

[feral jay]

On that, and your previous message, we agree

[sterile blade]

Meh, I like the fluid priority shenanigans.
I'd like a system where they are still a thing ^^

Just... Less unpredictable xD

[feral jay]

I don't like the fact that every player asks the same quesation when they start fucking with fluids. It's a weakness in the game, and it needs to be improved.

[stone python]

can't disagree with that

[feral jay]

I don't have the answer so I'm only identifying a problem though

[mortal ginkgo]

And for every person, X works but Y doesn't, Y works but Z doesn't, Z says fuck you, X works but don't want Z there, Y is making ur mom jokes while X is offended, Z is gone to reddit, and there is a God damn "actually A works you are wrong" people there that come out of nowhere.

[wispy osprey]

How do I get a flow rate of 580 m³ water in a pipeline

[stone python]

put 580 in 👀

sorry, that was me being sacarstic

[feral jay]

And for all of them, there is @feral jay, the true Deity and gospel of all things Satisfactory

[sterile blade]

I tend to lean heavily on lack of symmetry overall...
I don't mean to shame anyone, that's just what I've seen overall in the "help with pipes" screenshots: most seem to not care about symmetry of junctions' outputs

Which would explain why "loop the pipe" works so often (assuming the prior speculations about flow symmetry are good, ofc)

[feral jay]

*symmetry

[sterile blade]

Fml 😭

[stone python]

do you play a lot of sim games

[feral jay]

I counted once. Over 30,000 hours

[sterile blade]

Had to fix my "autoincorrector"

[sterile blade]

This had been my first. Then came Factorio

[feral jay]

Started with I think Railroad Tycoon

Can we all agree that for all its faults, Satisfactory is a fucking awesome game?

[stone python]

id have to put you into a box and under a house if you thought otherwise

[stone python]

yooooo i loved the origional when i was a kid

[severe pewter]

Because of the way the sloshing works, it does seem like I could make the straight junction at a T-merger the priority pipe, with the 90⁰ merger to be the 'use me as needed' pipe.

I've also been able to use a check valve to limit the priority side max flow, and a pump on the secondary side to keep the total input maxed, but that requires more testing

But have the devs fixed the bugs with uneven pipe inputs or outputs from a merger? As in sending a T1 & T2 output?

[feral jay]

Valves are evil. They claim a 1 in 600 resolution, but in fact have only a 1 in 256 resolution.

[severe pewter]

So what, anything above 256 goes into buffer overflow?

[feral jay]

No - 1 in 256 is approximated to 1 in 600

[severe pewter]

Interesting. Are the values at least rounded properly? Because I've found some weird issues I don't understand yet

-or maybe the rounding was the issue...

[feral jay]

The actual value is an 8 bit intger, so the valve setting is always a whole integer of the set of 2^8

There are only 256 possible valve settings, irregardless of what the UI tells you

[severe pewter]

Which makes sense in a way, fewer bits means faster physics. But either something is rounded, or there's a probably negative integer being unintentionally added somewhere.

[feral jay]

it's rounded

[wispy osprey]

I feel like taking an 8 hour long nap

[feral jay]

Not Ficsit® approved. Get back to work.

[severe pewter]

Go steal a body coma

[wispy osprey]

Already tired from real life factory work as a quality tech

[feral jay]

I build computer networks for a living. Satisfactory is... strangely similar.

[severe pewter]

That sounds like fun

[feral jay]

I do enjoy what I do

[wispy osprey]

Yes, it is decently removed from actual factory production

This game is more akin to programming

[severe pewter]

Got to route cable as a small part of my job a couple years back, it was one of my favorite parts

[feral jay]

God I hated that

[wispy osprey]

If satisfactory were more realistic, everything would be packed and sealed in boxes or wrapped in dense plastic.

[feral jay]

If this gane was any more realistic, nobody would play it

[wispy osprey]

Because of limited resources lol

I can't imagine

[severe pewter]

Measuring the cable, cutting the cable a bit longer than necessary, pulling the sheaths on the ends back far enough to make sure the plastic wouldn't shrink and pull away from the heads, securing it all in place, and admiring the end result. Then crying on the inside when people arbitrarily decide to move everything.

[feral jay]

dude you have NO idea how fast I can cut and crimp a cat5 cable, and I don't even do that anymore

[wispy osprey]

I actually worked briefly at a steel cable factory

2 weeks and I was laid off

[severe pewter]

Oof. Some jobs like that tend to be temperamental, especially with new hires though.

[wispy osprey]

If Ada were anything like real management or HR, Pioneers would be terminated decently quickly because of efficiency reasons

Thankfully she doesn't know how frequently I've rebuilt or moved locations

[severe pewter]

A lot of them were. And we collect their hard drives

[sterile blade]

I'd say Factorio is closer to programming... SF in comparison feels like vibe-coding 😆 (much less strict)

[wispy osprey]

Factorio is 2.5D and satisfactory is full 3D

[sterile blade]

I don't see your point
Like, they're different games, for sure, I'm just saying the factory aspect feels much more "strict" in Factorio, in a way that reminded me of the "coding VS vibe-coding" memes 😆

[wispy osprey]

A lot of people still tend to be afraid of building vertically

[sterile blade]

I like verticality, but it clashes against my wish of keeping things easy to see (thus not stacked) xD

[golden nexus]

They are often easier to see / understand when vertical, logestics is shorter, distance are shorter and factory traversial easier

[wispy osprey]

That's what catwalks are for, you look down upon your creation

[sterile blade]

Not if you put walls though (I mean as far as floating platform go, I totally agree)

[wispy osprey]

Build vertically and build an even bigger architectural shell

Architecture is all a facade anyway

[sterile blade]

Yeah, that's what I'm aiming for, this time.
Ideally, I'd like to manage a central shaft inside the building, from the top of which I could be able to see several layers of machines and belts moving between sections of the factory (separated by the central shaft)... Still very much WIP and all just in my head though 😅

[golden nexus]

thank god windows were invented

and signposts

[sterile blade]

What about signposts?

[golden nexus]

Well you can put a big sign on the top of each set of stairs with a giant picture of what the floor does

[wispy osprey]

My latest idea is individual box factories that produce each part and can be turned on/off.
Output overflow goes to sink, main output goes to a send wall to send parts for manufacturers

[golden nexus]

It works very well btw, especially if you can turn floors on / off

[wispy osprey]

Why turn off a floor when you can turn off the whole box

I'm legitimately a genius

But also not

[sterile blade]

Too bad my floors tend to do a bit of everything each ahahah
(#screenshots message)

[golden nexus]

Cause when you have stacked steel it changed what you require to build eg you flip between beam, encased beam, vert framework, mod frame etc...

[errant steppe]

i haven't played the game in months where can i check if theres new content in the game i missed 1.1

[zealous urchin]

vibe building is only when u use solely floating platforms and f off from any design

[sterile blade]

Solid
Simple to manage, scale up and modify at will

[golden nexus]

Example of stacked steel #screenshots message

[wispy osprey]

I'm only doing 1 part per box, steel beams would send to assembly

[sterile blade]

#patch-notes maybe?

[wispy osprey]

Boxes send to assembly first*

[golden nexus]

i use a mix of both, its floors with support buildins around them

[errant steppe]

alr thx

[golden nexus]

This would give a nice overview, (this actually completes all the milestones) #1455008912666263684 message

[zenith spire]

Is there a creative mode in this game any1 know?

[golden nexus]

yes

[zenith spire]

bet I’ll have to figure that out later

[wispy osprey]

Advanced game options

It's good for testing ideas before you make them on your main save

[sterile blade]

So... Following ADA's directions?

For clarity, I'm not discounting the complexity that can be found in the game, it's just that overall it's optional, where in Factorio it's often required (eg: being space-efficient has actual factory-efficiency benefits in Factorio, here it's just a personal preference)

[golden nexus]

no power cost, no build cost, all unlocks etc..

[wispy osprey]

If you're looking to play creative for an extended time you'll get bored quickly

Unless you have a creative project in mind

[sterile blade]

Which pretty much covers my past 3 or 4 savefiles...

[wispy osprey]

Everything is much better on a vanilla save except for specific testing

[zealous urchin]

when u just meme amd get actual argument as a response

[sterile blade]

Eh... After a while, progressing through the milestones and collecting items and building starter factories just to build the stuff you actually want to build can get a bit old... 😅

[wispy osprey]

I like building on platforms thooo

[wispy osprey]

I haven't gotten tired of it yet

[sterile blade]

You have my envy on that :P

How many hours do you have in the game, more or less, BTW?

[wispy osprey]

I only get burnout when transport pisses me off, or when fluid logistics piss me off enough, or when plastic is needed for manufacturing

[sterile blade]

Urgh... Long-range transport has always been a sore spot for my burnouts...

[wispy osprey]

Manufacturing made me completely redo my strategy

To the latest idea I've mentioned already

[zealous urchin]

my biggest burnout is related to not having a hoverpack and running around the map to unlock stuff

[wispy osprey]

I really don't want train delivering raw ores to actually end up slower...

Let me live on the ocean

[zealous urchin]

when u wanna use pure and leached u gotta train those ores

goku training montage

[wispy osprey]

As long as the travel time doesn't exceed a certain point

Having all of the mk2 miners send to the train station is gonna be a headache though

[zealous urchin]

well, one can always belt

[wispy osprey]

I need to belt all 5 mk2 miner mats to a station anyway

Making me wish that multiple train stations wasn't slower

[calm mango]

Afkd all night and I forgot to put a stupid conveyor and now I gotta wait to get to phase 2 😭😭

[reef basin]

if you need to afk, you didn't build enough production

[whole drum]

Also, you should explore during build time

[calm mango]

I was going to sleep

Like sure it's not the best but it's chillin

[remote chasm]

What is everything that I need for a single coal power thing

[sterile blade]

BTW, thanks for bringing that up. Now I remembered to implement it in my next factory 😁

[reef basin]

open codex to see

[dense violet]

!wikisearch CG

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[dense violet]

also the wiki exists
praise the wiki, love the wiki

[frail chasm]

Errr... How long has satisfactory had snow? 🥶

[zenith spire]

It has snow?!

[frail chasm]

Well it's snowing on my screen

[zenith spire]

Oh yeah it does that sometimes

I think it’s part of the ficmas event

[lilac bear]

Only during FICSMAS right?

[lilac bear]

The wiki is life.

[frail chasm]

Been playing years. Never noticed it!

[zenith spire]

Shit I wouldn’t know, o just started playing 2 weeks ago

[dense violet]

ficsmas

[lilac bear]

Ah, yes, starting this game during FICSMAS might be a tad confusing.

[frail chasm]

Happily it's not looking like it's gonna settle

Cans still go out on my chopper later...

[frail chasm]

You have to collect ALL the parcels and you get a bazooka

[brazen cove]

who's faster? tractor or a truck from phase 3?

[zenith spire]

That’s crazy

[zenith spire]

Hypertube cannon

[brazen cove]

but do they have the same speed?

[zenith spire]

Honestly haven’t unlocked the truck yet so I wouldn’t know

I’m almost there tho

[brazen cove]

yeah same that's why i'm asking lol, is there a reason to get them? like are they faster or do they have more storage?

[zenith spire]

Explorer is pretty fast but I don’t like its transmission

[manic trench]

I'm struggling so much trying to figure out what factories to make. Hand crafting is just faster :/

[zenith spire]

Oh yeah truck has more storage I can tell ya that

[brazen cove]

wouldn't say so, if you make a good factory it's going to be much faster

[brazen cove]

oh alright then, i'm still going to use tractors probably, bc i'm too lazy to remove my tractors for trucks

[manic trench]

I'm doing phase 4 for first time. I have almost everything made and in a depot. But getting everything together would take longer than just handcrafting it

[calm mango]

I'm about to be phase 2!

[brazen cove]

well if you need like 2500 of some resources, you gonna get bored handcrafting all that

[ember moon]

I believe the fuel powered generator being invisible is a bug

[brazen cove]

🔥

[calm mango]

I gotta upgrade my fuckass coal gens before though

[zenith spire]

Make a factory that can produce ur iron needs from a few iron nodes, one for copper, concrete, etc. then u can connect factory to factory for assembly processes so you’ve got every resource u need automated going to a storage facility

[manic trench]

I have no idea which factories to make. And which ones to just make at source. Other than elevator resources I have no idea what I need to maximise on. To get to phase 3 I literally just put all the items in a storage before each input

[manic trench]

I already have more than enough iron from the 3 nodes near spawn

[brazen cove]

look at what resources you're running out fast, and just make a factory for those things

[manic trench]

I'm not running out of anything. My biggest factory is for computers with 2 manufacturers. But that's also got more than it needs

[zenith spire]

Make factories for mass smelting, constructors, & assembly lines

Which factory you need is dependent on what resources you need to produce for your builds or for the space elevator

[brazen cove]

then just complete the phase 4 and make factories from phase 5 lol

[stone fern]

hey gangsters

[manic trench]

That's what I'm doing. But this just seems stupid considering the factories I see people make on YouTube vids. I've litrally got all the iron I need from the nodes at spaen and have never
Run out.

[brazen cove]

then you just don't have the problems, people are talking about like 48 coal generators at the end of their phase 2 but i only have 16, so i think it's just that you don't have their problems or idk

[dense violet]

treat the milestones like a tutorial. Dont stress about things until you're doing your own projects after everything is unlocked

[calm mango]

48????

[brazen cove]

yeah some poeple in dc said they had tons of those generators

[calm mango]

I got like 17 😭

[manic trench]

I've been running 16 coal gens since I got coal power and have never had issues. Also got like 19 batteries

[dense violet]

tbh I think 64 as soon as you get mk3 belts is normal.

carries you to tier 7 easily

find 4 coal nodes next to water
just burn it all

[calm mango]

See but I hate these fuckass fluid pipes so much I'd rather break my steam deck

64 is too much

[dense violet]

keep systems simple and pipes are simple

[brazen cove]

yeah i also only have 16 so i think they just make all the factories make like a billion items per second idk

[dense violet]

!wikisearch CG

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[dense violet]

convenient coal layouts for beginners and experts

[calm mango]

My pipes go up a MOUNTAIN

It was never gonna be simple

[dense violet]

sounds like bad design yeS

[calm mango]

Your mom

[dense violet]

you learn as you go - find coal next to water. You'll have an easy time

[calm mango]

I know HOW I just don't want to do it ykyk

[dense violet]

at least like 80% of coal nodes are next to water

[calm mango]

The second closest node to my base was like 1 k out

[dense violet]

this is normal yes. Every start zone has a great coal gen spot probably about 1km away

very close

[calm mango]

Close??

[dense violet]

Yes. You're expected to set up multiple systems around the map

if moving away from your start area is going to make you cry better get some boxes of tissues

[calm mango]

Fuck that I'll stay at spawn with my 3 beloved nodes

[dense violet]

Not how it works, but gl with that

[manic trench]

My furthest factory is like 10km away that's making turbo fuel

[calm mango]

Sure it is, hasn't failed me yet

[dense violet]

distand power stations are great honsetly. Use distant nodes for power, nearer nodes for items

easy to import power

[manic trench]

I don't use turbo fuel for power. It's just for my jetpack

[queen slate]

How do you set your preferred jet pack fuel?

[dense violet]

ah, well I guess depots fix that sort of thing. Another reason I'm not a huge fan of them

[manic trench]

As I get resources for phase 4 I'm only now starting to run low on power from my coal stations

[lilac bear]

Coffeestain has stated multiple times that they've spend great effort to ensure people don't stick in one place

[calm mango]

Mehh what do they know

[dense violet]

the game is a logistical problem solving game, it's true

[ember moon]

mabye take a look at crude oil and turning it into fuel

each one produces 250 mw

[lilac bear]

A few more coal generators could help, but a small oil power station will easily add 1000 MW too.

[queen slate]

If I have multiple fuel types in my inv how do I set it to turbo fuel

[lilac bear]

4 generators on a well.

[dense violet]

no idea sorry

[manic trench]

I can just double up on coal gens. I am only using 2 coal nodes and I have a surplus

[lilac bear]

Your jetpack has a little gear icon in the corner.

[ember moon]

take everytthing out but the one you want then put it back in

or the gear

[lilac bear]

You can set the preferred fuel with that gear icon.

[manic trench]

You litrally said U didn't like pipes. If U travel and setup a gen then just wire it back u won't even need to touch it again until U run low or Wana upgrade belts

[lilac bear]

If you don't have at least 16 coal generators, you're barely using your coal

[queen slate]

Tysm

[manic trench]

I do have 16

[lilac bear]

You can get 64 in there at least once your miners go up and you use all 4.

[calm mango]

I just did that for coal man I am NOT doing another trip like that for atleast a day

[ember moon]

Also set up a global power network around the whole map it makes getting power to bases so much nicer

[lilac bear]

Global power nets are the way to go. If you really want to keep things separated, get priority switches.

[manic trench]

U say 1km is a "trip". I literally launch myself 10km to change my turbo fuel factory

[manic trench]

Learn to slide jump to travel super quick early

[lilac bear]

Meh, with vehicles you don't have to bother with that.

A tractor or explorer will help you a lot early on.

[manic trench]

I literally learnt that day one. It's faster than tractor

I don't think I've touched tractors tbh

[lilac bear]

It's not faster than the explorer.

[calm mango]

There's a difference between walking and launching myself, since I don't (yet) have a jetpack I broke my shins each time I tried to launch

[lilac bear]

Later on, get power everywhere and hoverpack.

[manic trench]

By time I got explorer I had jetpack and then terrain made explorer slower

[calm mango]

But phase 2 is finished and now I can get a jetpack

[manic trench]

Again learn to slide jump. U can travel like 1km in a minute

[ember moon]

priority switches saved hours of why my power wasnt working

[dense violet]

research zip line and blade runners 😛

[calm mango]

Ik how to slide jump, I play fortnite:3

[lilac bear]

Zip line between power towers, especially combined with the hoverpack, makes getting around easy.

Other people take the train between bases.

[manic trench]

Then why is 1km a "trip" 😂😂

[lilac bear]

It all works, use whatever you prefer.

[calm mango]

It's still a long time man

[manic trench]

Oh yeah U play Fortnite. So ofc 1 minute of travel is a long time.

[queen slate]

It’s a long time for that stage of the game but dw you get better movement later

[ember moon]

My train station is out at sea and I should move it to the middle of the map

[calm mango]

You can't say 1 km is a minute of travel time yo

[severe pewter]

Depends

[manic trench]

My first coal plant is exactly 1115km away from my space elevator. And it takes me 1m 30s to get there and that's all uphill

[severe pewter]

Sounds like you need to aim your tubes better

[calm mango]

I'm talking about walking 💔

[severe pewter]

Gross

Not even a crouch-slide jump or a vehicle?

[manic trench]

That's what I said. They said it's still too long of a journey

[severe pewter]

Vehicles aren't bad, prior to flying I used a lot of the truck, and then the buggy to get around. Even built highways for them

[ember moon]

youll be doing a lot of walking in the early game

even in late youll still be doing walking

[zenith spire]

Yeah that’s a short distance

[severe pewter]

Not as much as I can help it. A bit of conveyor plus a crouch slide jump with turbo fuel will reach 1000 meters I think

[manic trench]

Im currently hand crafting 100 super computers for leading edge production xD

[calm mango]

My lizard doggo found like 18 computers

[severe pewter]

I keep em around just for the slugs

[zenith spire]

My quartz mill for silica & crystal is like 2,500km away

[manic trench]

I Wana make a proper train network. But I don't have enough factories to make it worth it

[calm mango]

Okay I get it I'm cringe cause walking is boring and id rather stay at my base 😭

[ember moon]

do it anyway

[calm mango]

Make the factorys..

[severe pewter]

Would you believe that I ran 3 belts of that from up in that silly forest all the way down to my factory at the southern starting area?

[ember moon]

its always good to just tdo it because later youll need it

[manic trench]

It will litrally go from my rubber/plastic to my main production

[lapis shadow]

Do I need to worry much about lag optimizing things ever? Or do things need to be ridiculously large before you have noticeable drops in performance? I'm in early-mid game so I'm wondering if I need to think about that as I get to later stages and my factories scale up lots

[manic trench]

But what factories? There's nothing I need to produce in big enough numbers

[ember moon]

legit just do it

[calm mango]

I think this answer depends on the pc

[ember moon]

youll feel so much better

I made a huge train station I barelty have any use for but its still personally my best project

[manic trench]

My plastic and rubber is already going into a depot so I could just manually put it all into storage and be faster than a train

[calm mango]

Well launch yourself a couple thousand meters and make like iron stuff idk

[severe pewter]

I'm starting to notice it. I think I'm going to need to drop my resolution a bit to keep the frame rate decent. Still running ultra with the rest of it though.

[zenith spire]

Same dude, I’ve got almost 5 going rn 😂 I didn’t realize how much of challenge it was gonna be getting them all the way down so I just said screw it & built a whole platform n ramp base for em

[calm mango]

Or just make a train cause trains are cool and they don't NEED to always be serving a purpose (except they have a purpose which is looking cool)

[median geyser]

Is there a way to prevent enemies/animals from spawning in an area?

[calm mango]

Wal

[severe pewter]

I built a crude highway and a tube - which took forever - just so I wouldn't have to keep walking back and forth

[median geyser]

That prevents them from entering, not spawning

[calm mango]

Walls everywhere.. can't spawn if no space yk

[median geyser]

Anyone with an actual answer?

[zenith spire]

Trains are for people who don’t know how to play & need extra assistance 💔🥀 nah I’m jsp lol

[severe pewter]

The tube transport takes something like 15 seconds though, which is great

[lapis shadow]

Where are you in the game? And how powerful is your setup? I don't need to know the specs but do you have like a mid-high end pc?

[zenith spire]

For real dude. Took a few hours fs

[severe pewter]

Kill em and pray an update doesn't respawn everything

[median geyser]

Oh things dont respawn?

[severe pewter]

Several days

[calm mango]

"If creatures were killed, they will attempt to respawn within three game days, and only if the pioneer is not within 300 meters of the spawn point." -the wiki (your best friend)

[zenith spire]

Trees & vegetation do respawn

[severe pewter]

Not if the version doesn't change

[severe pewter]

Since when?

[zenith spire]

For real, I was exaggerating when I said only a few hours 😂

[zenith spire]

Idk, since the last time I used the chainsaw. I cleared a forest for biofuel then returned to it some hours after for more & the treees regrew

[severe pewter]

Aww man, why'd they change that? At least have the courtesy of making it toggleable or something.

[median geyser]

It definitely wasnt respawning on my last save

[brazen cove]

so how exactly do i place oil extractors? i found a crude oil node and i cannot place my extractors on it

[zenith spire]

Of em big ahh 4 legged creatures ALWAYS is directly right by my hub when I respawn. If I hit him n he runs away, after I die n respawn he’ll be in the exact same spot by my hub 💀

[median geyser]

My first 2 hard drives have been cast screws and iron wire 😄

[zenith spire]

Try restarting the game or something. It should be placing bro idk

[brazen cove]

alright let's see then

[lapis shadow]

Are you sure on this? Like you're sure you returned to the same forest? Searching online has always reported that they don't respawn and in my experience I haven't seen any trees respawn. Though I haven't been to every biome so maybe different biomes can respawn trees 🤷‍♂️

[zenith spire]

Sometimes when I’m online for like 16 hours the game will start buggin like that

[brazen cove]

i don't think i'm here for even an hour man..

[zenith spire]

I must be trippin then

[trim sundial]

The alternate recipes are amazing, get the right ones and you can turn almost every basic part into an iron ingots recipe lol

[fresh umbra]

does anyone know why water isnt flowing through pipline junction

[zenith spire]

Well I work for 12 hour shifts n it’s a hour drive home so when I get home n get on the game, I’ve already been online for 14-15 hours since I’ll leave it running while I’m at work for resources