satisfactory

[eager harbor]

Ima just use a ton of portable miners

For now

[open gust]

I just used my friends lol

[eager harbor]

What is the best way to get biofuel fast

[open gust]

Only option for you rn is to run around and grab leaves

[eager harbor]

Oof

I just made 25 portable miners

How do I delete a building

[true mulch]

did you skip the tutorial (onboarding)?

[eager harbor]

No But I forgot

[true mulch]

F

the keybinds are in the bottom right

or under each menu

portable miners have to be picked up, they can't be dismantled

[eager harbor]

Is there a way to find pure ores

[eager harbor]

Ohhh that’s why

[true mulch]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[open gust]

If recommend exploring rather than just looking up locations

[eager harbor]

My backpack full raaaaaa

[south sinew]

the scanner notifies you of where to find ores, then you just hvae to go there and find out if they're pure

[eager harbor]

Oh

[merry zephyr]

i'm in the north east corner of the map and i can see particles of a purple slug inches below the sand but idk if its bugged or if there is supposed to be a cave that is not shown on the satisfactory interactive map

[south sinew]

but there's no general need to find pure ores

you can just mine double as many normal ores instead

and at the start of the game you only need iron which is pretty plentiful

[eager harbor]

I have so much ores

Cuz I placed 10 portable miners on each deposit

[south sinew]

then you definitely don't need to find a pure one ;p

[eager harbor]

Lol

[merry zephyr]

(3790,-2745)

[south sinew]

the only advantage of pure deposits is that they mine faster

[open gust]

Is the portable miner even effected by purity?

[rich current]

Yes

Impure will mine 20/minute, Normal 40/minute, Pure/60 minute

[lilac bear]

For portable miners, the trick is to drop a heck of a lot of them on the same node.

It will fit 10 easily, a hell of a lot more if you don't mind them getting crowded.

Early game, drop a few on your iron and copper nodes so you don't walk for just a single stack.

[eager harbor]

I am putting 10 on the same deposit

And am new

[lilac bear]

Or go the biomass route and immediately smelt them ofc.

[lilac bear]

I figured as much. Don't worry, we get a lot of new players in here all the time.

Every question you have, we've seen before.

[rich current]

#screenshots message

[eager harbor]

When will game become fun

Am at hub tier 5

[lilac bear]

Don't bother perfecting your setup in the early game. You will rebuild it completely later on 🤣

[eager harbor]

I wanna make big factories like this

[eager harbor]

What does the train do in the game I saw it in game trailer

[lilac bear]

Phase 2.

[rich current]

Best to start small. Unlock things along the way, and the factory will naturally grow

[lilac bear]

The phases start after you've completed the hub.

[eager harbor]

What does train do in this game

[lilac bear]

Once you have coal, that's when the real factory building begins.

[rich current]

Phase 3 is where the Trains get unlocked, and they're effectively a belt extender

[lilac bear]

Transporting you and resources.

[eager harbor]

Oh lol

[eager harbor]

How many upgrades to reach phase 0

[lilac bear]

I think there's 6 HUB upgrades.

After the 6th upgrade, the space elevator unlocks.

[eager harbor]

Am at upgrade 6 now yay

[lilac bear]

Almost there then.

[eager harbor]

Yes the space elevator shows

Lol my backpack so full with items

And I just started am not even returning to the deposits

[lilac bear]

Now you will unlock all the basics in Tier 1 and 2. The Coal powered generator is in Tier 3, which requires completing phase 1 of the space elevator. Takes 50 smart plating. If you unlock the chainsaw in Tier 2, you can absolutely automate this while you power everything with biomass. Or you rush through. Your choice.

[grizzled lotus]

I looked up turbofuel and it needs compacted coal, when I checked my codex I found coal+sulfur but it says alternate recipe. is there another default recipe?

[lilac bear]

Remember you've unlocked storage containers. Sort and store your items in there if necessary.

[eager harbor]

Yes I will place some

[lilac bear]

You'll unlock more inventory slots along the way.

[eager harbor]

This game is so sick

My dad bought me it on new year

He said I’ll love it

Am at tier 1 now

[lilac bear]

Take your time. This is a game where at 20 hours in you just got yourself started.

You can always try again and improve what you've made.

Every building you make can be deconstructed for the original materials.

[eager harbor]

Can I stack portable miners over each other

[rich current]

No

[lilac bear]

Stack? No. Clip them into each other partway? Yes.

Remember that you still got to smelt everything though. At some point, you're better off putting a miner and smelter on it and walking for fuel instead.

[lilac bear]

It will fit a lot, like here. And this is with the middle section unused, where you can put at least as many.

[eager harbor]

I have 3000 raw

😭

[rich current]

Eventually you will automate basically everything.

[eager harbor]

When do i unlock Christmas calendar

[lilac bear]

Eh, it should be in your hub to the right of your terminal.

[rich current]

Should be in the Hub. Unlocking the tree, take gifts to the MAM

[eager harbor]

Should I craft biomass

[vernal elk]

anyone can help me with a limestone pure farm?

[rich current]

It's the beginning power source, I would say yes.

[eager harbor]

I need to start automating stuff

But now enough power yet 😭

[lilac bear]

Personally I'm in favour of rushing to coal, but life is easier if you craft at least some biomass and smelt things in a smelter.

[trim sundial]

Im up to like 5 days with out blowing a fuse lol, i feel so proud of myself.

[lilac bear]

Miner, smelter, storage container catching the iron. A constructor making rods out of it helps a lot already, you're going to need a lot of rods and plates.

[sterile blade]

Just ask your question or explain your issue. Then people will know wether they can help or not ^^

[eager harbor]

How to align stuff

[lilac bear]

There's lines helping out when buildings are close enough. Once you have foundations unlocked, you can use the world grid.

[eager harbor]

K

How did I get cat helmet huh

[trim sundial]

Im very mucha newbie but if you have pure limestone, access to a level 2 miner, and over clocking, your level 2 miner should put out like 600 limestone a min, i feel like youd have to use some serious construction machine numbers to process 600 limestone a min

I might be wrong but i feel that should be all the limestone you would ever need haha

[rich current]

Just wait till tier 3~ and beyond

[eager harbor]

What is production packer deluxe minigame

[rich current]

Effectively tetris, but provides no achievement for beating it.

[eager harbor]

Where do I use presents

[trim sundial]

im in the process of automating the parts for stage 3, i have all the tier 5 and 6 milestones, i have one limestone machine tier 2 normal quality and i cant find any use for half the concrete im making lol

Again, im a newbie though.

[rich current]

MAM to start, then Constructors, Smelters, Assemblers, and Foundry

[upper gale]

Awe cmon don't do tetris like that

[upper gale]

You sure have a lot of questions

[vernal elk]

thx, I solved it

[eager harbor]

What is mam

[trim sundial]

Material Analysis Machine, its one of the first things you unlock with milestones

[eager harbor]

Am confused

[trim sundial]

When you build it, DONT NEGLECT IT, i did for the first like 20 hours of my game and then someone told me to get to work on it and i now deeply regreted ignoring it for so long lol

[eager harbor]

How do I know if I have it

And how do I get achievement

[trim sundial]

It will be in your "special" tab of your building menus

[upper gale]

Most of the things you'll learn if you just keep playing. Or if you experiment with it. It's better to see how it works in-game anyway imo

[trim sundial]

It will be in the tab with your HUB and space elevator and stuff

I feel like the harddisk research is endless, ive spent...i feel like at least 50 hard disks and im still getting new options lol

[eager harbor]

I MADE MY FIRST AUTOMATION

[lilac bear]

108 through harddisk research

Not entirely sure if that includes the extra inventory slots or not.

[trim sundial]

108?!!!! HOld cow, im not near the end.

[gray pagoda]

I'm pumping water to a second floor using a pipeline floor hole then using a pump at the top snapping to the max headlift snap of the bottom one and the bottom one stays around 21/22 but it seems to be pumping and keeping all the pipe on the second floor full anyway?

[slender bear]

Hmm. Pipeline or rail from my crude oil nodes to my base?

[lilac bear]

Smells like a headlift issue, but you can flush the pipe and see if that helps.

[gray pagoda]

shouldn't the second pump help the headlift of the bottom one?

[lilac bear]

Is it powered?

[gray pagoda]

ye both are

[rich current]

Are they spaced out correctly?

[gray pagoda]

second pump is 5.8m

[lilac bear]

Is the part where you put the pump filled up completely? Otherwise it's pumping air.

[trim sundial]

Im thinking of going a differnt direction with my factory though, I know this is a game about automation but im having trouble keeping my machines straight and what does what so i think im going to just quadrouble my base parts production and have a row of assemblers and manufactors with empty cargo containers feeding into them so when i need something i just fill up the containers manually and let em empty into the assemblers and manufactuers.

[south sinew]

mk2 pumps are a little bugged and need to be slightly below where the snap point is

[gray pagoda]

ye I used the snap feature

it shows the blue headlift snap area for the lower pump

[south sinew]

mk1 pumps work as expected

[lilac bear]

Doing that for space elevator parts makes sense, doing it for all other parts... Will tire you out.

[gray pagoda]

I'm pumping it from a fluid buffer but it is filled 250/400

[trim sundial]

Hmm, you have a fair point...maybe i should do that just for the space elevator parts.

[lilac bear]

Horizontal or downhill, take a pipeline. Anything else, rail or don't move it at all. Instead, process it locally.

[trim sundial]

Thats the only thing in my way right now, is stage 3 parts

[slender bear]

Ok. Follow up question - how do I get from my base to all this processing in a timely manner?

[gray pagoda]

using a mk1 pump currently isit the same case?

[lilac bear]

Come back once it's filled. Pumps are absolutely unreliable if the system isn't full.

Buffers don't always do what you think they do either.

[upper gale]

Better yet don't use fluid buffers

[rich current]

Fluid buffer are best used with Trains. Try to make sure all your fluid systems have the same production and demand amount. Let the producers fill the line first too

[lilac bear]

Fluid dynamics for dummies (AKA: read this first) https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Pipeline_Manual.pdf

[trim sundial]

You mean traveling to auxiliary and off sight locations? Trains, vehicles or my personal favorite, HYPERTUBE

[slender bear]

I figure if I need to run anything 2 km, it would be a train, but what do I know, right?

[lilac bear]

With whatever you got available. Walking, tractors, trucks, explorer, hypertube, jetpack, hoverpack.

[gray pagoda]

ye I've matched the produciton and demands exactly idk if I need more production than demand or if I might just not need a buffer I'm puming fuel from a refiner to a buffer then up to a manifold into 2 fuel powered gens

[trim sundial]

Also the blade runners you can research from the quarttz line are must haves lol

[slender bear]

I have those, but they only help so much.

[lilac bear]

Blade runners and xenoblade, don't go exploring without them 😛

[reef basin]

You never need a buffer (apart from train platforms)

[rich current]

In the end for transport of materials, do what works best for you.

[trim sundial]

Me personally? i cheat. I run or hyper tube to locations i need to get to but when i need to get back to my home factory i just respawn lol

[silent heron]

Is faffing around with the polymer resin alt recipe worth it for rubber or plastic?

[eager harbor]

4 smelters for 1 mk1 miner ye?

Am calculating it right now

[upper gale]

You could also use my pipeline manual, it's better than the current pipeline manual trust
#satisfactory-memes message

[lilac bear]

If it's a 60/min miner, yea.

[calm mango]

Are there more generators after the coal burner thingy

[reef basin]

"Worth" depends on you only

[slender bear]

Fuel burning and nuclear. Pretty sure geothermal is in there somewhere too

[lilac bear]

Coal is just the beginning. Plenty more power options later.

[calm mango]

Aw man

[south sinew]

if you don't have diluted fuel/recycled plastic/rubber then residual is next best probably

[lilac bear]

Geothermal is free energy, exploring half the map just to put geothermals down is good sport. Made easier if you unlock the hoverpack first.

[south sinew]

Phase 2 (coal), 3 (oil), and 4 (nuclear/rocket fuel) all come with new power options

[trim sundial]

Although i definatly am not doing things the recommended or effecient way, i have all of my needed resources being piped in or conveyed in, some from very long distances lol

[silent heron]

I've just noticed it appears to be very good for producing lots of rubber, is rubber going be widely used in the later phases of the game?

[lilac bear]

And as long as it works, that's all valid.

[calm mango]

So I spent like 4 hours trying to make my stuff all nice and eventually I'll have to ditch it?💔

[south sinew]

technically phase 5 has ionised fuel but it's terrible

[south sinew]

You don't have to ditch it, but it will not be very relevant

[calm mango]

Blowing up

[trim sundial]

Exacrly, the benefit is, im only pipeing in pure nodes so even though its coming from a long way, all my miners and extractors are overclocked so the amount coming in is substantial lol

[lilac bear]

Kind of, but you're not going to use all of it at the same place and a lot of it depends on how much other alternate recipes you want to use.

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Rubber See the usage list for yourself.

[eager harbor]

How does a conveyor splitter work

[calm mango]

One input 3 output

[lilac bear]

1 in, 3 out.

[calm mango]

Slowpolk:bleh:

[lilac bear]

If you want to split into 4, use 3 splitters.

[eager harbor]

I want 2 out of 3 out tho

[lilac bear]

Then don't use the middle one.

[trim sundial]

Thats ok, just dont use the third output

[reef basin]

honestly, don't think "I may need this in the future", just build what you need now and leave later problems for later

[lilac bear]

If you want anything that's not a 50/50 split, you can get up to all kinds of trickery with splitters. But if you just want to get 4 lanes for your smelter, use 3 splitters. Split the main lane into two, then split both new lanes into two (thus 4).

[reef basin]

or just manifold

[silent heron]

Fair enough

[trim sundial]

TO be honest 95% of my splitters only use two out of three outputs lol

I think the only splitters i have that use all three is my mall of resources because the middle one feeds stuff down the line and the sides go into my basic parts automation lol

[lilac bear]

That would absolutely work here, yea. That's still taking you 3 splitters though 🙂

[reef basin]

could take just two

[rich current]

Smart and Programmable Splitters are also later unlocks

[reef basin]

   |  |
->-S--S
   |  |

[lilac bear]

Beginners don't have that, don't overcomplicate it 😛

[trim sundial]

I keep seeing the term manifold, and ive seen videos of it, I think im using a manifold...but for some reason im not a hundred percent sure if what i have is called a manifold

[rich current]

My phrasing is intentional later unlocks are the key words.

[lilac bear]

That will balance out soon enough, yea. Fair.

[lilac bear]

Make a screenshot or a diagram and we'll tell you 😛

[reef basin]

manifold is usually just line of splitters, each splitting to one (or two) machines

though manifold in general is practically anything that relies on filling machines to overflow the rest

[rich current]

Balancers are where the math gets tricky.

[trim sundial]

Ill send a screeen shot in a moment but basically I have a line of stacked converyers down the middle, Level 1 is iron ingots, 2 is copper ingots, 3 is steel, 4 is caterium ingots and so on and so forth. On both sides of the stacked belts i have machines that pull resources from the "shelf" of resources as i call it using conveyer lifts, the lifts put those resources into machines, those machines go to assemblers/manufacts, these are like branches of the main tree, and then the final product is dumped into containers. I believe that meets the defination of manifold?

[upper gale]

Looked in the screenshots channel for a manifold. The splitters at the bottom in the pic #screenshots message
I like how I mostly found spaghetti though

[rich current]

I have a perfect example posted now

[upper gale]

#math-and-meta message

[rich current]

You've definitely played Factorio, based on the setup idea.

[eager harbor]

Who’s an expert in this game

[trim sundial]

Yes lol.

[golden elbow]

Mildly vexxing that steel is produced at 59.85/m at 133% overclockage

But, eh, close enough to being a full belt!

[lilac bear]

As long as you deal with powers of 2 and 3, not that much.

[gray pagoda]

is it normal for the lowest punp to have a 20/21 headlift when theres a second pump higher at the snap point

[trim sundial]

Its my like 5th rebuild, the progression unlocks are so game changing eveyr time i unlock a new tier im able to remove like half my machines lol

[lilac bear]

But if you want to do things like 20/80, yea, first time is a bit tricky.

Doable though.

[rich current]

Solid Steel Ingot alt recipie will output 60/min from a single foundry

No Overclocking

[golden elbow]

Oh, that's wonderful...

For now, I'm quite happy just having 120 irn+coal going into 2 producing ~60/m

It'll be enough for phase 2!

[rich current]

Solid Steel also takes Iron Ingots and Coal at a rate of 40/minute each too.

[lilac bear]

Get to phase 2 first, optimize later 🙂

[rich current]

50% more Steel for an extra smelting step

[golden elbow]

I'm quite happy to just tear everything down per stage of the game, honestly!

[lilac bear]

Definitely not the worst plan 🙂

[gray pagoda]

idk headlift says exceeded all pipes are full and the system works completely so I assume its just a visual bug?

[south sinew]

you can exceed headlift by a small amount without losing functionality

[upper gale]

I say if it ain't broke don't fix it

[south sinew]

so I wouldn't worry overly much about that

[rich current]

While the Factorio style setup can get you started, I would recommend transporting only what you need to assigned mini-factory

[lilac bear]

Around 10%, don't rely on it.

[gray pagoda]

mines 21.5 I have a pump at the top snapped all pipes are full still stays at 21.5 so idk but I mean its working fine

[trim sundial]

i think i might end up doing that. I think long term factory im going to build out over the ocean near my the rocky desert oil spots where my fuel generators are. i can build out over the ocean and have unlimited build space pretty much, then i will turn my current factory into just mass producioon of basic things, from there the terrain is pretty level out to the ocean so setting up a train to go back and forth shouldnt be TOO terrible.

[spiral willow]

Gysers are ONLY used for power generation right?

[lilac bear]

Yes, put a geothermal generator on it.

Throw a handful power storages around to deal with the fluctuation.

[trim sundial]

The more i think about it, i think im going to do is invert my factory, have my dimensional storages in the middle, industrial storages linked to those, and part makers emptying into them so i can mass produce things i need to feed into assemblers and manufactors manually so so i can worry about my space elevator progress lol

[lilac bear]

Once you have automated encased industrial beams and modular frames, they're cheap.

[spiral willow]

o? I have never used this BECAUSE of this, I never like how my power was all over the place and not in a nice straight line

[lilac bear]

First of all, it's free power. So even if you only use the minimum they'll always provide, it's FREE POWER.

Second of all, you can buffer the rest 🙂

[trim sundial]

My fuel generators are all off sight near my oil puddles, and its an ugly set up but my logic is if i dont have to look at it the spaghettia wont bother me

[lilac bear]

Geothermal generators have a minimum value they produce. They will not go under it.

So that bit is stable and reliable at least.

[upper gale]

You either like it straight or wavy

[lilac bear]

A geothermal generator on a pure node is 200-600MW.

Each.

[spiral willow]

Yea this is true, but the fluctuation in my power grid bothers my ocd pretty bad so i have never used them XD

[trim sundial]

From what ive heard you guys talk about geothermal power would be great for hooking up to miners and stuff and keeping the grid seperate from your main power that way if your main power goes down your miners stay functional

[lilac bear]

That's what you have priority switches for later in the game.

If you never use more power than you have, you'll never see a fuse blow.

Use power storage if you're afraid that will happen.

[unkempt blade]

or just use some power storage and look at the midpoint of the wave

[spiral willow]

Ive been playing off and on since update 4 and JUST learned about this on my current new run lol

[lilac bear]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Geothermal_Generator

[white dawn]

As others have mentioned, Priority Power Switches are the best solution for making sure your power-generation stuff stays online, and many folks do like building out Power Storage backups as well. The main drawback to having an isolated Geothermal grid is just connecting all the geothermals up; the wiring can get a bit annoying

[trim sundial]

I may have....a....a...a few power storage containers...just...a couple...i swear...I am running mostly on fuel generators but i have my old coal generators still hooked in incase i need to switch them on...but really...i know i can dismantle and remove them and be fine....

[white dawn]

I've often thought that I wanted to go connect up all the map's geothermal "underground" and have an isolated grid to run trains + tubes off of, but it's kind of an annoying amount of work for not much gain. :D

[lilac bear]

The wiring would get abysmal.

[trim sundial]

I mean...20 power storages is just a handful in the grand scheme of things right?

[upper gale]

I never took the time to figure out how to use priority switches properly, but I never really needed them

[spiral willow]

Well i guess that means ima try and work in this geothermal in the middle of my fuel generator plant, I will try out what u said, I was contiplating just coverign it

[unkempt blade]

I haven't tried a global grid but I've done smaller ones that can be nice for making your fuel generating machinery impossible to lose power and then it won't need a reset if you blow the power grid

[lilac bear]

Power storage and priority switches are both things you can completely do without.

[ornate saffron]

I use the power pylons to transfer power around the map then go from pylons to a power switch for each factory. This allows me to segregate each factory and set it up so I never have to black start power generators or alumni

[lilac bear]

But you better not overload your grid if you have neither option built.

[trim sundial]

I dont know about the geothermal wells but even if you build over something with a resource with foundations you can still attach stuff to it after, i do it all the time with my miners.

[reef basin]

eh, balancers are super easy. Though practically never required

[solemn edge]

what other factory builders could I try?

(except dyson sphere program and factorio)

[trim sundial]

Darn it, beat me to it

[white dawn]

Shapez 2 (still in EA, though)

[spiral willow]

Oh I do this, my main base floor is about the hight where ladder stops on miner, all my raw ores are fed in through the underbelly of my factory to keep my factories clean

[white dawn]

(Shapez 1 is quite good too, but 2 is the new hotness)

[lilac bear]

All my miners are on foundations.

[solemn edge]

whats it about

[unkempt blade]

1 looks like it's super cheap on steam right now and I enjoyed my playthrough with it

[solemn edge]

(as in, what makes it unique)

[trim sundial]

i forget the name, i believe its My Little Rocketship is a pretty good factory/automatic game and its got RPG elements and characters to interact with, its gof actual story

[white dawn]

#off-topic-general I suppose if you want to discuss in depth; we're already quite offtopic. :)

[solemn edge]

Sure!

[unkempt blade]

go to a store page and watch some videos 🙂

[white dawn]

But, y'know, search engines are free. You could be looking at a video of it in like two seconds. :)

[upper gale]

You make shapes 😭
Well basically but the shapes get more complex over time

[solemn edge]

I watched the trailer, Ion see the uniqueness

[lilac bear]

And you can talk about it in https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/556448894993563659

[solemn edge]

The question is what makes the game more unique to others? (Like Factorio is a 2d with a bit of PVE focus, Satisfactory has a more 3d style and less PVE and DSP has a more SCI-FI style)

[unkempt blade]

you're solving how to make certain shapes instead of just "line goes up" type stuff you'd see in satis, factorio, etc

[trim sundial]

I love dyson sphere too, i just wish it had some controller support. Dyson sphere for some reason though, i have trouble with my automation lines because your dealing with a planetary view and you have to deal with the curve of the planet and it just throws me off axis, literally

[solemn edge]

My bad, I got carried away

[solemn edge]

#off-topic-general rq

[trim sundial]

Sorry, your right lol.

[lilac bear]

Multi-layered factories are absolutely a solid approach.

[solemn edge]

we can talk there if you need help with your own builds

[unkempt blade]

the inverted pyramid factory is peak verticality!

[trim sundial]

i will say i feel like my experience from factorio gave me a leg up in starting satisfactory and teh stuff ive learned about logistics from playing satisfactory has made me a better factorio player.

[solemn edge]

Oh wait actually (I know this is out of topic) Is Mindustry cool checking out?

[unkempt blade]

yeah the high level concepts are pretty similar even if a lot of the details aren't

[spiral willow]

Its funny, i math everything in Satisfactory, but in facotorio i just over build till my belts are full and math nothing lol

[solemn edge]

Its what started me playing these types of games, I just never got far into it since I only played mobile)

[lilac bear]

Then why don't you ask it here? https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/556448894993563659

[trim sundial]

Lol

[solemn edge]

Okay buddy

Thats cool and all, but Im lazy ❤️

[trim sundial]

I believe that's a touche? However its spelled

[solemn edge]

(And Ion think anyone checks it out)

[lilac bear]

Ok. Light is lazy. Let's forget about all the channels we made here for the rest of the year, people.

[solemn edge]

Aslong as im not making the topic last too long, whats the issue right?

[trim sundial]

What channels?

[unkempt blade]

don't wish that kind of chaos on us during the year of the cart!

[solemn edge]

2026 is a great year to start chaos

[trim sundial]

We are factory builders....chaos is kind of our thing...

[solemn edge]

Its been too long since we had any actual chaos

(Which was uhhh, 2020/21?

During Covid and all.

[unkempt blade]

there's the chaotic people and the other type who rebuild the same factory 15 times because some little detail makes their brain itch too much

[solemn edge]

And that is quite literally me.

For a while

[trim sundial]

Umm, ive only been playing heavily for a week now and ive rebuild my factory at least 6 times so far lol, i totally have an itch brain

[solemn edge]

Im not sure if I should rebuild mine

or just leave it there and build it somewhere else

[white dawn]

Yeah, any chaos on my saves is either accidental or Skill Issue™. :D I strive to avoid chaos in the game. :)

[solemn edge]

What do you mean chaos on my saves?

[white dawn]

(Just responding to the We are factory builders....chaos is kind of our thing... comment. Presumably referring to LGIO-style spaghetti and such. :)

[unkempt blade]

I'd power ahead and keep researching stuff personally. More research and awesome shop unlocks make organized/pretty factories a lot easier later in the game

[trim sundial]

Wall outlets and ceiling conveyers for the freaking win!

[solemn edge]

Im just trying to get to the Trains part

[unkempt blade]

a less-pretty factory that's already running has functional value already

[solemn edge]

since, trains are fucking awesome and you cannot tell me they're not

[unkempt blade]

yeah stuff like that + the hoverpack completely changes how easy organization is for me

[solemn edge]

Im about to research the uhh hoverpack

but what fucking fuel do I use???

[unkempt blade]

My early builds are all reasonably organized at this point because I've been playing a while but I don't stress over some imagined perfect outcome

[placid stirrup]

That's the neat part

[solemn edge]

d

[trim sundial]

I didnt entertain the thought of using trains but the other day i was at my oil fields, tinkering with my fuel generators and i looked out and realised i have a whole freaking ocean i can build on... and the terrain between my main base and oil fields is very level, i can build a strait trainline from my factory now, out to the ocean. Now the train idea is way more attractive to me, produce things inland, ship them out to sea side for processing

[solemn edge]

Oil?

[placid stirrup]

(Invincible reference)

[solemn edge]

Factorio trains made me love them

[placid stirrup]

Don't play Satisfactory like it's Factorio

[upper gale]

That's only one side of the coin. The other side is the opposite: clean, structured, orderly, and ocd

[trim sundial]

I never used trains in factorio TBH, never needed em, my drone counts were always in the thousands lol.

When one of you guys looks up videos for Satisfactory, whos your go to?

[upper gale]

Drawing Xaos

And I forgot the other guy uhh

[trim sundial]

Im guessing the other guy is probably "Doc"?

[upper gale]

Oh he's good for tips

Oh yeah it's TotalXclipse for design

[pine heron]

anyone able to load the satisfactory calc site? think it broke

[upper gale]

PsYche897 and Let's Game It Out for entertainment

[idle glen]

there are only 25 numbers on FICSMAS calender?

[solemn edge]

what design would be cool for a factory?

Im kind of getting bored of the boxes

[green fiber]

anything that you think looks cool (technically bad advice but thats the rule of cool - its your world after all)

[trim sundial]

Huh, welp...setting up a train to bring my operations to the coastline is going to be easy...turns out the train system parts are cheap for where i am at progress wise, and i have all the require resources linked to dimensional storage.

[solemn edge]

I would prefer a few suggestions though.

[upper gale]

Look in architecture channel or screenshots. Anything that inspires you

But design is a
Very steep slope imo

[brittle tundra]

Anyone use GeForce Now here?

[upper gale]

I mean you could dump a thousand plus hours into it and still be mediocre

[queen slate]

Anyone know how to get to the underground sam below dune desert?

[pine heron]

cave on the northern side

[queen slate]

K ty

Scim wasn’t working for me

[slender bear]

Satisfactory Calculator site is down. Do we know who manages that? I know it's unofficial, but figured I would ask.

[pine heron]

halfway up the cliff, around where the arch goes over the river

[brittle tundra]

Anyone know how to get a controller to work? Steam input settings make zero difference unfortunately

[queen slate]

I don’t see a river

[coarse egret]

i lover the hoverpack

[queen slate]

#screenshots message do you mean from south side?

[pine heron]

oh you mean south of dune desert?

[queen slate]

Yh

[white dawn]

Working over here at the moment; presumably it was either a temporary site glitch or a temporary networking/routing issue. There's a link to Anthor's Discord up in the headers once you can load it yourself

[trim sundial]

If i wanted to keep my locomotive system VERY simple...can trains go backwards? Can you put a train engine on the front and back of freight cars? Im in a good mostly level straight shot to the ocean where i want to set up my new factory, all i would need is a straight rail there, and a straight rail back, no fancy turns or wide angles...just forward...and back

[pine heron]

should be northwest if i remember right, near the pillars of rock

[white dawn]

(I'm not sure if Anthor's ever to be found in this Discord)

[slender bear]

I'm getting a 502 error when I try to access the site, so something is up.

[brittle tundra]

Take that as a no then.

[slender bear]

5xx error means the server has an issue

[green fiber]

trains can only reverse if they have 2 locs, both facing away from each other

[queen slate]

Ty

[green fiber]

and yeah they should be at opposite ends of the train

[trim sundial]

Ok, so i ca put one in front and back as long as they are facing opposite directons, PERFECT

[brittle tundra]

Maybe reddit will be more helpful

[trim sundial]

Im getting excited by the idea of playing with trains now lol

[white dawn]

Could do. Though if you want the best chance of a question not getting buried in other chatter in here, #1038092680493801533 is by far the better place to ask

[calm mango]

Yeah I'd ask there cause high-key controller is the best way

[white dawn]

If you ask a question in here you've got a pretty small window of time for someone who knows your answer (or wants to help out) to notice before it's scrolled off, whereas #1038092680493801533 threads are frequently picked up later even if someone with the knowledge isn't looking Right Then

[brittle tundra]

Alright thanks

[white dawn]

(Asking in here is fine too, of course; just if you don't get an answer soonish then the other place is likely to be better. :) (No clue, personally, btw. :)

[brittle tundra]

I'll go try there

[upper gale]

If you do type there try to include info like what platform you're playing on ect

[calm mango]

I'd assume they're playing pc if they can't get a controller to connect

[solemn edge]

Uhhh, I would try to make a Citadel (HL) but. What the fuck would I use it for???

Cause genuinely, Idk what I would fit in tall building

[brittle tundra]

Using GeForce Now thru steam access

[calm mango]

Everything

[solemn edge]

Cough cough

[white dawn]

10/min Iron Plates.

[solemn edge]

Is that even possible?!

[calm mango]

Make it possible

[solemn edge]

10 per minute?

Are we fr

[white dawn]

I mean, it's as good an answer as anything. :)

It's a sandbox game; do whatever you like in it! There's no answer to "what should I put inside a building I made?" in this game. :)

If you don't feel like 10/min Iron Plates is suitable, maybe 20/min Iron Plates?

[calm mango]

Or 5/min if that's too much

[solemn edge]

No but in actuallity

how much should I produce?

I want an actual megafactory inside a cool as building

[calm mango]

As much as you need

[solemn edge]

not just for decoration right?

[upper gale]

For real I saw someone in this multiplayer world he made this absolutely massive, intricate building, which also looked good aesthetically, and all it did was proccess quartz into crystals and silica. Only 20% of the space was used basically. Colored the entire building quartz colors so it was intended only for that

[solemn edge]

You never make as much as you need

[upper gale]

20% is a stretch maybe 10%

[solemn edge]

I NEED ALL OF IT!!!

[calm mango]

Exactly!

[white dawn]

I remember being disappointed that the SAM-Resource-Conversion loops actually increase the total material (at the expense of SAM, obvs) instead of decrease. I'd been assuming you'd lose material over time and had wanted to, like, create a gigantic cube which takes in 100% of the map's SAM + Sulfur and spits out like 10/min Iron Plates

But no, alas, as you loop around with conversions you just get more and more

[calm mango]

I said this from my first message bruh 😭

[white dawn]

Feel free to try, of course, but keep in mind:

1. Megafactories are very unkind to PCs, in general
2. They introduce a lot of extra challenges which a lot of players don't expect

Certainly go ahead anyway, of course; many have! But remember to not get discouraged when it starts to be hard to scale things up properly

[solemn edge]

1. My PC is really good
2. I like complex designs

I used to make compact builds for other factory builders

[white dawn]

If you do do it, I'd actually strongly recommend following Independency "inside" the factory anyway. You'll still have the PC-performance problems to deal with but that'll bypass quite a few other challenges for you

[solemn edge]

also what do MK2 poles do?

[white dawn]

I predict you're going to be disappointed by how well your PC performs with a "true" megafactory, no matter how good it is. :)

[solemn edge]

Havent unlocked them evfen though I can

[white dawn]

But hey: as I say, good luck! You'll find out soon enough. :)

[fading whale]

MK2 power poles? They just allow for more connections. 7 instead of 4

[white dawn]

They allow you to make 7 power connections from the same pole

[solemn edge]

That-

Is kind of good.

[fading whale]

MK3 allows for 10.

[grizzled lotus]

this path signal is being stubborn. it won't connect to the rail road the way I want it, keeps pointing the opposite direction

[upper gale]

Having a megafactory pre phase 2: 🤌
Having a megafactory post phase 2:

[white dawn]

Heh, if you still haven't even unlocked your full MAM trees and stuff, megafactories are definitely gonna throw you a lot more curveballs than you expect. :)

[fading whale]

Scroll wheel and/or "R".
One changes direction. The other changes side.

[white dawn]

Yeah, megafactories early on can seem like a reasonable idea, and aren't too bad for awhile.

[upper gale]

Alright maybe phase 3

[white dawn]

But I don't want to sound too down on 'em, just giving a warning is all. Many folks don't anticipate how much extra work they are, and it's easy to burn out on 'em, is all.

So long as you're having fun, you're doing it right, so if "fun" == "megafactory" then have at it! :)

[fading whale]

I think a lot of us forgot about fun and migrated on to obsession.

[upper gale]

I will say this though
If you're really good at managing that stuff, or just really know pretty well what you'll need/ just generally good at the game, you can pull off a megafactory pretty far into the game

[white dawn]

Oh, sure, and anything's possible

[upper gale]

Real. I'm trying to relearn what things I genuinely find fun. And it's working in my new save. For me it seems to be like, doing stuff in my weird ways which are weird but I like them

[trim sundial]

Ok serious opinion question. The new site im laying foundations for on the ocean where space isnt an issue. I want to know what you guys think, should i process raw resources at the base i have now, turn them into parts like screws and rods and stuff and ship the PARTS out to the ocean by train or should i just conenct my miners into containers, fill my train with raw resources and process the raw recoures AND parts on the ocean?

[pine heron]

i tend to process raw near the ocean to use the pure recipes in refineries

[queen slate]

Just found out about mycelia 60 hours in

[hardy vector]

I'd like to separate ingot processing from other factories for easier upgradability. But most other parts needed by a given factory are then produced on-site with shipping ingots in

[fading whale]

Which ever flots your boat 🙂
Practically, it would make sense to ship the part that takes up least space.
Like for screws, I'd transport the materials to produce screws. But for concrete, I'd make the concrete and transport that. (just examples).

[upper gale]

In Satisfactory, the only thing that kills the fun for me, is myself. Too high expectations, or too lofty goals, or too much investment into asesthetics

[placid stirrup]

That's why I treat it like a marathon and not a sprint

I haven't played consistently in like 8 months because I didn't have the drive

[fading whale]

Fully get it. For this playthrough, I am taking it reeeally slow. Just spending a lot of time on "small" things. Chill with it. And not think at all about how far away "the next big thing" is.

[upper gale]

Yeah

[trim sundial]

I feel like the ocean site is going to be for assembly and manucatory and my space elevator. Ill proudce stuff like rods, wires, etc etc and ship them out to my ocean side assembly and manufacts.

The only thing i need to big brain out is how i distribute the parts to the assemblers and manufacts once they get to the ocean site...thats going to be the tricky part

[clear tartan]

if you produce 10 versatile frameworks a min wont that be like an hour and 40 mins until you get 1000 of them?

[calm mango]

Yeah

[tall lantern]

sure, but it's not like you have to just sit and wait

plenty of other stuff you can do in the meantime

a few hours is nothing on the timescale of this game

[upper gale]

MAM stuff is the best to kill time

[clear tartan]

ok

[calm mango]

Can confirm, I've been playing for like 4 hours

[zenith helm]

in the sea on the south west of the map, is there a limit to how far i can build? if yes, will i reach it quickly?

[tall lantern]

explore, build more factories to automate something you don't have enough of, plan out your next steps, pet doggos, kill wildlife, redecorate, do ficsmas... many options available

[clear tartan]

just realised i can make 60 steel beams easily

does tier 5 and 6 have more power options?

[green fiber]

yes

[calm mango]

I've heard 5 does but it's not too good

[clear tartan]

what is it

[calm mango]

No idear

[mystic plank]

you guys know any good free server hosting?

[upper gale]

Yes there's a limit and nah you probably won't reach it quickly unless doing something truly huge. (I'd suggest loading your save into scim and turn on the world border to see how much space you got left but I think scim is having issues atm)

It's not loading on my end

[lapis shadow]

Does the awesome sink always consume the same amount of power? Whether or not it is sinking items? It has no indicator light so does that imply it never goes on standby? So

[clear tartan]

so is fuel power better than coal

[zenith helm]

aight. its big, but i dont think its that huge. its like 50 foundations by 15. and i need multiple of those. i can probably rotate it to not reach it

[vestal heath]

Is this game actually good?

[tall lantern]

you're gonna get some slightly biased answers here

[upper gale]

If you wanna find the edge you could build out a bridge of foundations I guess, maybe it will take a while

[fading whale]

Power is power. However you make it doesn't matter 🙂
That being said, a single fuel generator kan make 250MW compared to a coal generator's 75MW

[clear tartan]

i need that power right now

my max capacity is 1650MW

and i just need versatile framework for the space elevator

[tall lantern]

you could just make more coal gens

plenty of spots with coal and water around

[fading whale]

I only use coal for backup. Just enough power to run whatever I need to get the parts for building fuel power.

[upper gale]

Better question: do you enjoy automation

[clear tartan]

no.

[tall lantern]

yes.

[clear tartan]

i already have 16

[tall lantern]

anywhere between 8 and 64 is typical before moving on to fuel

but it's more about what you've actually unlocked, and if you have the power to bootstrap that fuel setup

[fading whale]

Find another coal node 🙂
Overclock extractor. Upgrade to MK2. Use compacted coal. Plenty of options to optimize coal power.

[tall lantern]

be the one person who uses compacted coal in coal gens 😄

[fading whale]

I do 🤫

But I was making it near my coal. Didn't need it. And then just fed it to the generators.

I promise.

[zenith helm]

ye. makes sense. last question. does the game get a bit wonky if you get close to the game border? some games tend to do that, idk if this one does

[tall lantern]

nah, you can happily build out to the death wall

and beyond, if you can reach the machines without dying

[zenith helm]

ah lol

[clear tartan]

mmm i need to make modular frames

[fading whale]

Cross the border and you start to die. Wouldn't call that wonky.

[clear tartan]

what else can i do with auto wiring

[tall lantern]

it's a manually added death border, it's not like the Far Lands in Minecraft where the game just fails

[upper gale]

I love coal gens but for raw power I'd move on to fuel gens as soon as you're fully capable to make a setup for it

[tall lantern]

future space elevator stuff

[clear tartan]

so just store it

[tall lantern]

(or sink it)

almost all space elevator parts are only used for the spelevator

[clear tartan]

sink?

[tall lantern]

one exception in P4

[fading whale]

Iø've build stuff under ground. If I get 1cm lower, I start to die. But above that, I can build anything.
Technically you can build past the border too. As far as your buildgun can reach 🙂

[clear tartan]

what do you mean by sink it

[clear tartan]

are you playing the game the lets game it out way?

just asking

[tall lantern]

I built by the death floor and wall so my nuclear waste'd be out of the way lol

[fading whale]

Oh god no. Also, computer not big enough for that 😂

[clear tartan]

lol

[pine heron]

awesome sink for coupons

[upper gale]

Let that sink in for a moment

[clear tartan]

no but lets game it out was quite funny

[clear tartan]

oh right

[tall lantern]

the Awesome Sink, lets you dump excess stuff for coupons you can spend on goodies like aesthetics and conveniences

[fading whale]

Josh's videos was actually the main trigger for me to buy the game 😄

[clear tartan]

if i did keep my auto wire setup on it would trip the grid

[clear tartan]

me to

[tall lantern]

sounds like you need more coal power

[clear tartan]

no

[tall lantern]

lol same, saw a gif of the hypertube cannon and that started the spiral

[upper gale]

Coal power kinda succ but it's fun to build

[tall lantern]

at least it's super easy

1 node, 4/8/16 gens, couple of water extractors, ez power

add more nodes or overclock to bring more in

[fading whale]

I build undergoround to make room for this: #screenshots message

[gritty zealot]

WHOS UP FACTORISING RIGHT NOW??

[zenith helm]

god damm

[upper gale]

Satisising all over the place

[tall lantern]

that looks a lot better than my APA room... though mine's also in the void, right near (0, 0, 0)

[golden elbow]

Going dizzy between the MAM and rebuilding sob

[upper gale]

Kinda reminds me of a ripley's museum I went to irl where they had a black hole/vortex tunnel exhibit

[tall lantern]

obligatory "rebuilding isn't required, just build new factories rather than tearing down old ones"

[fading whale]

I've seen those. Messes up your eyes 😄

[golden elbow]

That's what I'm doing, but the process of making a new factory and tearing down the other is, in some way, rebuilding, no?

[bitter peak]

hi, is someone know why sometimes my mk3 miners stop working 4/5 seconds ?

[tall lantern]

that's the point, you don't need to tear down a working factory

[upper gale]

Are the dots beams with small signs on them?

[tall lantern]

probably can't push the items onto belts fast enough

[golden elbow]

Oh 100%, I'm just letting it churn up the goods I need for the new one

[fading whale]

Yup. With the "vignette" bacground to make them more round'ish.

[upper gale]

Ah neat

[lilac bear]

Producing more than is being used, if you look at your belts I'm sure they're backed up. Full of whatever you're mining.

[golden elbow]

Ooof, Iron wires or rescan... tempting to just go full iron, but still

[bitter peak]

the belts are not full, the resources take a train and go to a crusher, it's just the miner who stop

[lilac bear]

How much can your miner produce and what mk belt do you have attached to it? Are your belts backed up full or not?

[fading whale]

Remember, There are more drives than recepies. So in the end you can have all the recipies. If you skip one now, it will come up later 🙂

[lilac bear]

It's probably a very easy problem with a very easy solution, but we need a little information.

[bitter peak]

mining 600/min with mark 5 belts

wait a second will make a video

[lilac bear]

Mk 5 should be able to deal with 600/min easily.

So that's not it then.

Mk 5 is 13*60 = 780/min

[bitter peak]

or it's just a visual effect, when i'm away it work perfectly but when i'm closer he "bug"

[lilac bear]

Does the stack size inside your miner vary? What do your belts look like?

If the stream appears continuous, there may not be a problem.

But we can't see that, you can.

[bitter peak]

i post the video on #screenshots, you will see

[trim sundial]

Bahahaah. I set up a rail between my factory and my future ocean site, got it nice and organized and powered, took my maiden trip in my first train, got to my ocean foundations, then it hit me, i had nothing to stop keep the train on the rails at the destination spot lol, right into the ocean, SPLASH.

[whole drum]

Well, engineering isn't always knowing what will go wrong--it's also fixing the things that do.

[stoic nebula]

i felt that pain while reading...

[lilac bear]

92%, that's not a visual bug.

[trim sundial]

I realised what was about to happen i just realised it too late and didnt have enough room to break lol

[lilac bear]

You have a bottleneck somewhere.

[bitter peak]

the miner is empty lol

[lilac bear]

It's in burst mode.

If you really want to track this down, look at your belts from this miner to all users. See where you start seeing the difference.

But at 90-92%, it's not a big problem unless there's something critical behind it.

[clear tartan]

would it make sense leeching modular frames from my modular frame setup instead of just making a full seperate factory for it

[bitter peak]

a nuclear power plant x)

[lilac bear]

No biggy 🤣

[fluid rapids]

Do oil wells slow down?

[lilac bear]

Oh, is this for your sulfuric acid and are you also backfeeding some of your sulfuric acid from your encased uranium cell blender back into the stream?

Because then it makes sense that it will not operate at 100%.

You have a little overcapacity, which is good.

[wide galleon]

Hi guys! I just came here to ask a question, so i tried redditing it but nothing, is the efficiency first trophy on ps5 really buged or are there any "in game" millestones that i dont see because thats the last one that i need for my platinum trophy and its driving me crazy

[sterile blade]

TFW you realize what's about to happen before it happens but it's too late and the only thing you can do is watch and regret

[upper gale]

What level is that conveyor belt and lift?

It looked like mk4 to me

[bitter peak]

no it's mk5

[upper gale]

ah ok

[lilac bear]

Usage would be down further with an mk4.

[sterile blade]

I think it's clearly the hoverpack network bug, causing machines to go idle for a moment when the hoverpack connects to power connectors on different sides of a power switch or on different power grids

By chance, do you happen to have power switches or different power grids in that area?

Light control panels can show this issue too

[lilac bear]

The what? I use my hoverpack constantly and never noticed my machines getting hiccups.

[upper gale]

Is the hoverpack bug really still a thing? (i dont use em though so I wouldn't know)

[white dawn]

It is, yes

[bitter peak]

yes i have a switch

[upper gale]

Dang so it's been around for a bit

[fading whale]

If they are all on same grid, you don't. If you have priority switches between your grids, the hover pack can cause a grid to stall for a fraction of a second.

[fading whale]

Years 🙁

[sterile blade]

Well, there you have it...
If you either put everything in one grid or "just" never use the hoverpack the issue shouldn't happen again...

[lilac bear]

Ah, good thing I don't have priority switches then.

[bitter peak]

ok nice

ty

[lilac bear]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/526870/discussions/1/4691154661545094995/ This bug? That's from '24.

[white dawn]

Yeah, I ended up just not using switches, alas. Maybe it'll get fixed in v1.2

[fading whale]

When I'm building a big setup, I have everything on my main grid. I don't put in the switches till I'm ready to leave the place alone.

[dawn mist]

Oh no.

I finish my iron megafactory and get ready to explore for my steel factory.

I go to Satisfactory-Calculator for the interactive map.

[sterile blade]

I just pretend there's some lore-based reason why one can't use the hoverpack in my factories...

[dawn mist]

502 Bad Gateway 😢

[fading whale]

This is "only" a big deal if you are going for 100% efficience and do not overproduce by a single item.

[white dawn]

It'll be back; just either server or network issues

[lilac bear]

It was still fine earlier today.

[white dawn]

Yes, that is the nature of server/network issues. :)

[dawn mist]

Yup. 502 means their server's corked.

[lilac bear]

Is whoever runs that place on here by any chance?

[dawn mist]

So I just gotta wait. Prob just need them to restart nginx.

[white dawn]

Anthor's got their own Discord

I'd be surprised if it hasn't already been brought to their attention though

(Although if they don't have automatic monitoring, I suppose if literally everyone has that thought then maybe not. :D)

[fading whale]

Same here: https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/618e0e07831c85205235d318
4 years ago. And check related posts.
Status is fixed internally. But still not fixed.

[sterile blade]

BTW, I finally finished my production plan and... Things got out of hand
Who knows, maybe I'll be finished by next year!
#screenshots message
||Careful, Apo, it's a Modeler shot! ||

[lilac bear]

Oh, AnthorNET. I know their Reddit, not their Discord.

[sterile blade]

It should be linked on SCIM 😉
... Oh, wait...

[upper gale]

Scim goes down for a few minutes
Insert "this is fine" gif
(it's totally not send help)

[lilac bear]

Seems back up again.

[ivory condor]

For now

[lilac bear]

Enough to pull his Discord server, pinged them there.

[slender bear]

Can I replace coal with petrol coke in default recipes that require coal?

I'm guessing the answer is "no", because the codex doesn't say I can.

[sweet light]

nope

[slender bear]

dang

[peak plank]

Can you disable auto-snap rotation when on a foundation? For example I have a train track platform blueprint and it only turns 90 degrees when on a platform but will rotate in much smaller incriments without a foundation

but i still like using the foundations for lining things up

[clear tartan]

where do i get SAM from?

[slender bear]

There are resource nodes of it around the map. Fairly well hidden, sadly

Usually in caves or on top of mountains. Very annoying.

[clear tartan]

whats even in the alien tech tree

[upper gale]

Depot
Probably the most useful thing

[lilac bear]

SAM nodes

[clear tartan]

what does the depot do

[slender bear]

Dimensional depot is the big one. Lets you upload items to the cloud so you can use them as though they were in your inventory, but it doesn't take up space there.

[clear tartan]

whats the closest sam node to the grasslands

[sullen gull]

As well as Sommersloops. Allows for 2x the output from machines with no change to input (Makes the machine use more power though)

[white dawn]

Explore over by the arch. :)

[sullen gull]

Under the big arch

[lilac bear]

Put a miner on a SAM node. Even if you just put everything into storage, you'll want a lot of that ore.

[pine heron]

look for a big hole in the ground

[slender bear]

I have problems with putting miners on SAM nodes, mainly because they're in such inconvenient places that I can't bring power or conveyors to them.

probably just a skill issue on my part

[sullen gull]

Lifts. And powerr towers

[white dawn]

Bringing power == just a bunch of power poles. :)

[clear tartan]

i left my tractor by that big water lake a bit north from me

[lilac bear]

Convery lifts. And those poles aren't too hard either.

[white dawn]

No need to conveyor them out; can just extract locally

[lilac bear]

You'll figure it out, keep practicing.

[sullen gull]

That will be the best place for you to build coal power btw

[clear tartan]

i have 16 coal gens there

[lilac bear]

You can add a few more once you have better miners 🙂

[clear tartan]

i want to go straight to fuel

[sullen gull]

Aany who, new motor worked like a charm for the robot. Now time to remain 'effecient' the rest of the weekend 😛

[silent heron]

Trouble shooting a 4KM pipe line goes hard

[lilac bear]

That's one of the reasons people don't make 4km pipelines.

[tame bobcat]

is it just me who likes the Caterium Computer alternate recipe?

[sullen gull]

The length should have no merit. However if it is going up, you could just have a headlift issue.

[slender bear]

Delete the 4km pipeline and pick a different tactic. There. Trouble shot.

[upper gale]

Yeah my pipes will never be super long

[sullen gull]

I do, all the time

[whole drum]

You just follow it until you find a pipe that isn't full, then fix it

[peak plank]

Pipelines are long IRL, why not in Satisfactory

[whole drum]

But as others have said, better not to build such long pipes

[lilac bear]

I bring my stuff to the fluid instead of bringing the fluids over. Whenever possible.

[slender bear]

mainly because fluid mechanics in Satisfactory break down in ways it doesn't in real life.

[sullen gull]

They can be. It's all the negative hype around pipes that sway others from doing it.

[whole drum]

Or just package the fluids if you want to transport them

[twin helm]

How far apart do yall like to put pillars so they dont look cluttered but also look like they are part of the build

[silent heron]

Nah in this case it was a throughput issue, I knew about it but never color coded the pipe that didn't have 600m/s of oil but just 450m/s

[trim sundial]

How the heck does one automate fabric and stuff? Is there a renewable biomass node or something?

[whole drum]

Like egirl bath water--pipes would have been a terrible way to transport it.

[upper gale]

If you keep them flat or 90 degree inclines then it's not that bad

[sullen gull]

Actually they do pretty well. It's when people try to do a long straight manifold on machines that's the issue. When you have multiple sources needing the same "pressure", the pipes should always be in a loop

[lilac bear]

Polyester Fabric

[peak plank]

Thats fair, just seems like they take forever to fill

[white dawn]

Biomass can't be automated, no, but there's an alt recipe you can unlock in the MAM to make fabric out of oil products (which is fully-automatable)

[sullen gull]

Initial fill can take a minute for sure. But after that, provided no "broken" connections, should work just fine.

[lilac bear]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Fabric

[peak plank]

Im settin up my first fluid train as we speak

[sullen cloak]

hey guys where I can find this power slug? #screenshots message

[trim sundial]

Good to know. I wonder if they will ever add fish nodes or something to water sources lol

[silent heron]

I have a six mk2 pipe way, 5 of those pipes all transport 600m/s oil just fine across 4km, never had a issue.

I just used pumps and water towers

[sullen gull]

Ugh, I 'should' go shovel the damn snow .... But I don't wanna 😭

[sullen gull]

Most likely in a cave

If you want, you can use SCIM to find the entrance.

[upper gale]

Maybe it's in a cave below you

[white dawn]

They've changed their minds about stuff in the past, of course, but they've said "no" to extra water-based things quite frequently

[sullen cloak]

SCIM?

[lilac bear]

If it doesn't 502...

[slender bear]

Satisfactory Calculator Interactive Map

[lilac bear]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/

[slender bear]

But yeah, the website is currently having some issues.

[sullen gull]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/ The interactive map. But looks like it's down atm

[sullen cloak]

oh thank you guys

nvm...

its down

[lilac bear]

Don't worry, it was fine earlier today. They'll be back.

[sullen gull]

Show a screen shot of where you are on the map

[whole drum]

Probably someone dragging anchors where they shouldn't again

[sullen gull]

@sullen cloak

[upper gale]

They should add an up/down indicator to the object scanner, or maybe revamp it entirely really

[eager harbor]

I made an automatic farm for iron plate rod screws and ingot as a starter

Yay

Idk what’s my next goal tho

[lilac bear]

Coal. Xenoblade.

[eager harbor]

What does space elevator even do

[whole drum]

Complete Phase 1

[sullen gull]

Build it and find out 🙂

[lilac bear]

Basically you want 50 smart plating.

I think we told you this.

[sullen gull]

But, doesn't have to be 50/min

[whole drum]

no

[lilac bear]

50 total

[eager harbor]

What is smart platin

[whole drum]

Look in your assembler

[lilac bear]

You can craft them all by hand if necessary...

[lilac bear]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Smart_Plating

[whole drum]

PPs cannot be done at the bench. Have to do it indirectly via boxes at best.

[white dawn]

Elevator parts can't be handcrafted. You can hand-feed a machine with the necessary ingredients, though

[eager harbor]

I don’t see anything more than reinforced iron plate

[lilac bear]

You are absolutely correct, that's an important distinction.

[sullen cloak]

coordinate at 114, 2748 #screenshots message

[trim sundial]

I could see a building like a green house or something, you could put bacon plants or mycella or something in a slot and it would reproduce it, allowing early automation of biofuels for those who want to extend their bio fuel phase or something

[sullen gull]

Yep yep, looking now.

[sterile blade]

Definetly a cave

[whole drum]

The devs generally don't want automation of bio products because one of the themes of the game is exploitation of the environment

[lilac bear]

Did you read the wiki?

[white dawn]

There's plenty of mods which introduce biomass automation, if you want it. I wouldn't hold my breath for it to appear in the vanilla game though. :)

[echo hearth]

Is it worth considering starting a new save if the current one is way too chaotic?

[calm mango]

Un spaghettify it

[white dawn]

IMO just grab some materials and start building your new factories in another location

[lilac bear]

If you have a few hundred spare hours and like doing that, absolutely go for it.

[white dawn]

Your existing stuff will still keep producing all its stuff, even if it's chaotic

[sullen gull]

check #screenshots

[white dawn]

It's a huge map; I'm sure that you've only introduced chaos to a smallish section of it. :)

[whole drum]

You do a new save if it sounds fun, but I normally don't think "current save too hard" is a great reason for that--you are at a point in the game where you are being challenged, and that's a grand learning opportunity.

[calm mango]

How to get external emojis

[slender bear]

Save the game, and then demolish everything without starting a new save. If you didn't know, holding control while disassembling lets you disassemble multiple things at a time

[eager harbor]

Guys I just did field research and got MAM is it useful

[white dawn]

In the end you can do whatever you want, of course, but one problem a lot of folks seem to run into is the endless-restart loops.

[sullen gull]

Don't believe you can in this server.

[leaden turret]

tattoo parlour

[calm mango]

I've heard it is

[lilac bear]

That's a Nitro question

[white dawn]

If you get yourself in a habit of just restarting whenever your factories aren't perfect, that's kind of a recipe for burnout

[calm mango]

Actually crying

[echo hearth]

Thank you so much for that tip lol. Sounds like i should just reform whatever i have rn.

[calm mango]

No I have nitro, the server doesn't allow external emoji

[trim sundial]

I will only start a new game if there was a new game + where you could start over but with advanced knowledge

[lilac bear]

MAM is one of the most useful things you'll do in the game

[idle glen]

mercer spheres aren't farmable?

[white dawn]

As I say, I'd personally recommend not doing that

[lilac bear]

There's a limited amount, like sloops.

[white dawn]

Rebuilding is like a fast track to burnout.

[sullen gull]

It's to protect from some 'nefarious' types from using NSFW and other innappropiate emojis

[eager harbor]

Does it help in presents cuz idk what to do with my presents

[clear tartan]

how do i get out the arch cave without dying

[calm mango]

That's cringe but understandable

[white dawn]

Not saying that everyone rebuilding/redoing stuff is going to burn out, but why spend all that effort just to get back to the same level of productivity you were at before?

[calm mango]

Run really fast

[peak plank]

I feel like one of those old dudes that used to have a huge train model in his basement , that would try to lure anyone to look at it for a moment.. but now its just in a video game instead

[whole drum]

I do new saves relatively frequently, but I enjoy the process of the early/mid game quite a lot compared to the later game.

[white dawn]

It's a huge map -- you can just leave your existing factories as-is and start building more elsewhere (and try to do "better" on those new factories)

[echo hearth]

Ahh okay, so keep expanding but in a better way

[sullen cloak]

@sullen gull thank you!

[leaden turret]

why is your basement in a video game?

[white dawn]

and then you get the benefit that the factories you've already built will continue to provide you with materials

[calm mango]

Or embrace the spaghetti and make it even worse

[white dawn]

Instead of having to literally restart from scratch

[sullen gull]

It's that new new 'immersion' play 😏

[lilac bear]

FICSMAS presents? That's more of a sidequest thing. You can spend time on that, but it will stop working January 18th or so. Until next year. What you want is to collect everything from the FICSMAS advent calendar before then. Some of it is not related to FICSMAS but simply useful, like extra harddrives or coupons.

[echo hearth]

I'll try that.. Im currently trying to build a new iron factory

[lilac bear]

Hello, Josh

[whole drum]

Like the spaghetti I shared earlier--it's glorious

[calm mango]

:3

My factory isn't too spaghetti yet

[echo hearth]

I dont really have any factories lol just placed everything on the ground

[sullen gull]

Nevah Sgetti! Lasagna all the way! 🤣

[lilac bear]

Learn to love foundations, it helps avoid spaghetti 🙂

[whole drum]

This what megabases are for

[sullen gull]

Nah, I hate the concept of a "megabase" personally ....

[white dawn]

Nah, megabases are for reducing your CPU/GPU/cooling-system lifespans by a bit. :)

[echo hearth]

Yeah it looks way cleaner

[eager harbor]

I just unlocked foundations

[calm mango]

Then use it! I just got them relatively not too long ago and they help alot

[sullen gull]

Unless this counts as a "megabase" 😏 #screenshots message

[lilac bear]

Now you can learn about the worldgrid https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Foundations#World_grid

[tame bobcat]

dont ask how but i manage to make foundation spaghetti LOL

[calm mango]

Copper spiral of death

[leaden turret]

megabase is just tinned spaghett

[sullen gull]

That one is doing all 12,300 bauxite 🙂

[lilac bear]

Some people abuse good things to do bad things 😛

[white dawn]

Since it's been brought up and recommended, I feel compelled to provide the counter-opinion: World Grid is rarely worth it. Useful if you want to "trivially" connect up two disparate factories onto the same "set" of foundations, sure, but there's a lot of techniques to merge arbitrary grids, if that's something you want to do. (And needing to connect disparate factories via foundation isn't something you necessarily want to do, anyway)

[sullen gull]

But, was made on a friends save. I will be revamping it on one of my own saves.

[calm mango]

Idk what bauxite is but 12k is a lot so impressive!

[upper gale]

Fr I play on low settings and 50 fps to try and help lower the strain

[sullen gull]

It's what you will need for Aluminum later 😉

[tame bobcat]

what tier is bauxite in? im like end of tier 6 now and finishing off phase 3, i found a pure bauxite node already

[calm mango]

I don't even have aluminum yet...

[white dawn]

Phase 4 (tiers 7+8)

[clear tartan]

how do i make more bombs

[calm mango]

I'm still getting the necessities for hypertubes

[whole drum]

Completely agree. World Grid is trap.

[tame bobcat]

ooo sick thats what im gonna be doing next i guess

[lilac bear]

Research Nobelisks in the MAM, it's in the sulfur tree I think

[sullen gull]

Gotta unlock them in the Sulfur tree of the mam

[rugged shard]

Okay I asked this question before but I still dint understand, maybe now I will. I want to overclock my machines but I don’t know by how much %, should I do like max? Or some perfect ratio like it needs 50plates and I smell only 50/plates per min, or what? People say it depends but depends on what ? and when it depends?

[leaden turret]

world grid: pants, not recommended
pants: recommended

[lilac bear]

Now all my shit points the same way, it's nice for aligning things.

[teal geyser]

Which machines though?

[sullen gull]

Depends on how many machines for one.

[upper gale]

I don't use the % really I just type in what I need. The other number that shows per min

[rugged shard]

All almost, assemblers, constructors, miners…

[lilac bear]

Don't overclock unless you're solving a problem with overclocking.

[teal geyser]

Definitely miners

[sullen gull]

Overclock all the tings!

[idle glen]

so after I get every single one there's no way I can get more?

[upper gale]

Power gens will not appreciate this

[lilac bear]

Unless you cheat, no.

[rugged shard]

Yes but by how much, p.s I have lot of power and sm of shards

[lilac bear]

That's for phase 5, when you have all the power and infinite power shards. They're soooo not there yet.

[tame bobcat]

also, i unlocked slooping should i just use it on the annoying things to make like computers?

[white dawn]

I wouldn't recommend overclocking just for overclocking's sake. If you've got a production line which needs, say, 60/min of something, but the recipe you're using only provides 30/min, then you could overclock a single machine to 200% instead of just building 2 machines. In general you just want to get the numbers to match -- find out how much of something you need, and then build to suit (whether you're overclocking/underclocking or not)

[sullen gull]

So, first question, how much ore, what are you making, and what recipes?

[dusky spear]

are there more manuals except the fluid manual ?

[upper gale]

Overclock the miner, and the rest of the factory just build more

[rugged shard]

Like, everything, all items/recepies

[white dawn]

Remember that overclocking requires more power -- 2 machines at 100% take less power than 1 machine at 200%. The difference isn't huge but if you're tight on power you might want to avoid it

[sullen gull]

I overclock everything because I would rather use 20 refineries instead of 90

[lilac bear]

For miners it makes sense to overlock them, since the amount of nodes is limited. The rest is not. You can build a near infinite amount of constructors.

[idle glen]

cheat?

[white dawn]

The opposite is true, too; underclocked machines require less power. 2 machines at 50% take less power than 1 at 100%

[lilac bear]

I do not know whether this Discord has any rules on discussing that. But it's fairly easy.

[sullen gull]

And, if you go big on power factories off the bat, it's a non- issue imo

[lilac bear]

Oh, rules say

Save editing is perfectly fine.

[whole drum]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/456109329456562187/1456710277461573795
I don't hit you guys with memes too often, but this one is good

[lilac bear]

SCIM allows you to modify the inventory of containers.

[sullen gull]

At the end of the day, it's YOUR save and you are free to do whatever you like.

[pine heron]

theres also a duplication bug thats easy to do on accident, much less intentionally ingame

[lilac bear]

That's my philosophy as well, but I've gotten in trouble on Discord before over the most inane things 😆

[calm mango]

Save scumming is 100% fine for any game because YOU are the one playing and YOU should be allowed to finesse odds a bit

[whole drum]

One of these days I'll start a save with like 10 sloops and 50 spheres just so I can get a head start on my DDs and stuff without the hassle of waddling around too much

[eager harbor]

What are power slugs used for power?

[sullen gull]

Right. Only one you're cheating is yourself 🙂

[lilac bear]

So if you want to add 500 extra mercer spheres, you can.

[sullen gull]

They are turned into powershards. Which can be put into machines to overclock.

[lilac bear]

But there's no Mercer Sphere node somewhere.

[wide narwhal]

my personal rule is that if it's within the game (Not third-party), then it's free game

[eager harbor]

Which machines can I use them in biomass burner

For energy

[sullen gull]

You will need to research the Slug tree in the MAM to unlock "Clocking", But yes, you could if you wanted.

[eager harbor]

How do I unlock christmas event research line tree in MAM it says u have to unlock it first

[sullen gull]

It just means you will need more leaves, wood, or biomass to run them

[slender bear]

Check the advent calendar at the HUB

[white dawn]

Note that for generators, power shards do nothing but save you space. So you can overclock a bio burner to 200%, but then it just acts like 2 bio burners. You still use the same amount of fuel pwer MW produced

[whole drum]

I generally avoid things that I consider cheating (dupes, hacks, exploits, etc)--but it depends on the game and where I am with it. I've played enough SF that starting a save with a headstart isn't going to ruin anything for me, lol.

[idle glen]

so its only trough this or is it possible to like make every snail, sloop, sphere reapear on a map

[white dawn]

So yeah, sure, overclock Biomass Burners if you want, but IMO that's hardly worth it

[whole drum]

Alternatively, it means you could run machines at 50% power so your burners go further

[wide narwhal]

yeah, to each their own

[sullen gull]

I've never 'cheated' in the way of duping items. But I have edited a save to move factories or paste megaprints

[stone fern]

Chester

[eager harbor]

I can now scan slugs but how

[slender bear]

object scanner. Build it at the equipment workshop

[eager harbor]

K thx

[stone fern]

What he said

[sullen gull]

And do now use mods now that I have saved the day 3x now. Mostly mods that I think should be "default" in the game (Infinite Zoop/nudge, curvebuilder)

[whole drum]

Scanner also helps for finding other useful items later--hard drives, spheres, sloops (I think), etc

[lilac bear]

Only through that. You can not make them reappear on a map as far as I know. If you could, you probably shouldn't. Adding them to the inventory is safer.

[sullen cloak]

aw man SCIM down?

[sullen gull]

Oh! .. And don't try to respawn fauna through SCIM ... or you could end up with a "scary" time 🤣 #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

It's having issues for sure.

[lilac bear]

Admins are aware.

[eager harbor]

Why does item detector suddenly stop

Like when detecting slugs

[lilac bear]

You already knew #satisfactory message

[sullen gull]

Maybe out of range

[idle glen]

probably hes looking in other direction

you need to look in the exact direction the slug is located

[sullen gull]

Also, it should be noted, if it hasn't already, it's better to wait until you have researched Sloops under the Alien tech tree in the MAM before you start converting your slugs.

This way, you can build a smol constructor farm and get 2x the shards from slugs

[whole drum]

Generally solid advice, but I never feel bad about burning blues beforehand. You get tons of slugs around the map and later can make them (power shards, that is).

[sullen gull]

Same with remains into DNA imo

[sullen gull]

Yeah, over 5k, if slooped. Otherwise it's like 2500 ish or something

[whole drum]

Honestly only need a few dozen in early game anyway

Mostly for oil/coal and early iron/lime nodes.

[idle glen]

which tech tree?

[sullen gull]

Alien Technology

[feral jay]

I've never run out of slugs realistically

[sullen gull]

I believe it's the Power Augmentaion or similar.

[whole drum]

I only have while experimenting with spamming them in fuel gens

[sullen gull]

Lol, I have. Making RF plants before having syn shards unlocked 🤣

[feral jay]

But to be fair, I don't overclock a lot of things

I'll build two machines and underclock the second, rather than overclocking just one

And eyah I just build more fuel gens

[whole drum]

You save a ton of power in the long run that way, if you don't mind the extra work

Can save a tad more if you just do 50% x3 instead

[feral jay]

lol and even more if you build a hundred machines at 1% instead of one at 100%

It does get ridiculous at a certain point

[whole drum]

Sure, but I was keeping it realistic, lol

Easy to work the math on and fits into builds well enough

Also not being absurd about the extra buildings xD

Sure would be a wild playthrough to cap all buildings at 10% tho

You can go under that, but not over

Probably have to leave exception for raw resources tho

[queen slate]

For a turbo fuel fuel factory

[sullen gull]

So, in building something like the RF factory I am working on... Which will have 672 gens @250% (420GW)..... The power usage with Overclocking vs not, imo, is very negligable in the "grand scheme". The ~7k difference doesn't "break the bank" at all. However, It does allow for me to use WAY less machines, which means WAY less space than when not overclocking : #screenshots message

[queen slate]

Should I use an alt recipe for turbo fuel

[sullen gull]

If you don't mind it eating a ton of sulfur

[whole drum]

Space is usually not a big deal because you can just build into space, lol

Just extra work

[lilac bear]

I haven't seen people run out of space yet.

[whole drum]

Me either

Unless arbitrarily constraining themselves

[lilac bear]

Which doesn't count.

People don't always realize how much vertical space they got. It's... quite high.

[whole drum]

It's very high

[feral jay]

2km, to be precise

[whole drum]

And most things you build are wider than they are tall, so it goes a long way

[lilac bear]

That's a thousand mid-size foundations.

A constructor is what, 10 of those?

[whole drum]

Cons are about 8m, iirc

[queen slate]

???

[lilac bear]

Yup. https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Constructor

Smelters 9.

So that gives you roundabout 200 layers.

[sullen gull]

It is for me when I am mostly against "sky platforms". And to me, having a giant tower in the sky isn't as appealing as having something like these: #screenshots message

[whole drum]

You probably want a little buffer between, so call it an even 10 and you can still do a lot

[lilac bear]

With factories like that you still don't run out of space, not by a long shot.

[whole drum]

Sure, but that's merely an aesthetic choice

We're just saying you realistically don't ever run out of space

And aesthetic buildings being 4-5 stories tall isn't unrealistic

[lilac bear]

If you never go more than 5 stories tall, you can still make it fit.

[sullen gull]

I never said running out of space was an issue. But, we can talk about 'effeciecy' too. Especially in the way of time. It's MUCH better when I only have to belt/plumb 20 machines vs 90, for the same output.

[whole drum]

That's mostly a time savings, all else being mostly equal

Which isn't nothing btw

[lilac bear]

And irrelevant if you need more power for it.

But the power no longer gets excessively high when you use powershards I think.

[sullen gull]

Again, noit very hard at all to make power. Power is very moot imo

After coal ofc

[whole drum]

I think the larger argument is that it's more than feasible to build a lot of power quite easily, so you can overclock pretty much anything you want to--you just maybe shouldn't do it to actually everything

[lilac bear]

Hey, you started about something irrelevant as time. That's moot too.

We all got hundreds if not thousands of hours into this game 🤣

[sullen gull]

Lol, pssssh ,, only 5k in the last year 🤣

BUT, much better when I can build 10 factories in the time it takes me to build 5 🤣

[whole drum]

However, maybe it isn't a bad idea to underclock and build extra while still on burners/early coal.

I wonder if underclocking the production chain to 50% then slooping the final machine is worth? 🤔

[sullen gull]

for me, I just burn to coal, make a nice coal plant, the next one will be >64x, and then just coast till oil. Nuclear is more 'work' and I always obsess over the layout, so I've only 'finished' the one 🤣

[whole drum]

Probably isn't unless the power savings are huge--power tends to be cheaper than sloops

[sullen gull]

Though, don't forget, slooping causes the machine to use much more power as well

[whole drum]

I know, that's why I'm not sure how worth

[sullen gull]

I mean, may "even out" with underclocking the rest..

[whole drum]

Then not worth for sure

[sullen gull]

This is where playing in Satisfactory Modeler is fun imo. You can answer all your questions quickly and easily 🙂

[whole drum]

You need to come out significantly ahead on power to be worth

[nocturne warren]

are stators used by anything other than motors?

[whole drum]

Yes, but you don't need to DD them

[sullen gull]

Gimme a rundown ... like, let's say we're going to make plates, rods, screws, wire, and cable right? What's your usual starting numbers?

[nocturne warren]

Alright thanks

[whole drum]

It's more like what thing you want to build. If you do a Heavy Frame setup, for example, you would only sloop the final step.

[sullen gull]

For stuff like that, you can hit O on the PC (or N), search your items, and can find out what you need to make and what they're used in. If there is a question mark, you havn't unlocked it yet

[peak wasp]

Enough, few hundred of each maybe few k screws

[sullen gull]

OK, so, what, 5 HMF/min, before sloop?

[peak wasp]

Chat, do you dedicate entire nodes to process one item or do you send it to factories where it's processed for everything?

[sullen gull]

/me has modeler open on the other screen 🙂

[sullen gull]

Up to you.

[peak wasp]

I try to use the most out of one node but end up wasting lots of resources and rf

[sullen gull]

A lot do practice Independency though

[whole drum]

You just have to calculate the power usage for each recipe that makes it, then downclock the production tree to 50% while slooping the final machine, again with each recipe. Then compare.

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch Independency

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Independency

[grim carbon]

has anyone ever sent everything to the awesome sink and started again?

[whole drum]

And it's all going to be proportional, so only 1 machine calculated is necessary

[sullen gull]

Yeah, it's just a few clicks to set all that with modler.

[whole drum]

Yeah, I just can't do that stuff right now