satisfactory

[golden nexus]

got blade runners?

[reef basin]

or that you did the math wrong 😛

[rugged shard]

Yes

[white dawn]

Or, rather: if your goal is just to get things producing, use up what you've got locally. :D If you want to explore for exploration's sake, go for it. :)

[rugged shard]

Gooch slide method op

[real shale]

lmao i never realised the power information sticker in the generator menu says "you've got the power" on it

[whole drum]

I really wouldn't obsess over it like this. Just start your next save there and see how you like it. Not everyone does.

[rugged shard]

No way I’m gonna start new again💔

[golden nexus]

dune desert #1455008912666263684 message

[trim sundial]

The first and second itteration of my factory i had smelters using 140 units of iron ore, i was only producing 120 and it still had 99 units of ore inside at all time, i dunno

[rugged shard]

Holy moly

[whole drum]

Maybe not right now, or even soon, but eventually most of us get that itch

[golden nexus]

suggest you take hub with you....

[rugged shard]

Yea I know where all my iron stuff is gonna be making in future

[reef basin]

well that's either math error or build error 😉

[hasty stump]

dune desert is fun, i'm doing my playthrough there now

[rustic hare]

I've had a start at grassy, rocky, and one at dune desert, I still prefer rocky the most because if I head up north west, there's 4 pure iron nodes I remember, a few limestone, copper, and coal very close to the beach, sulfur is also close which allows you to make explosives, explode up the cave and inside there's SAM and quartz, the terrain is mostly flat, easy to build

[whole drum]

Maybe you should check out the interactive map. You will find that you don't need to go all the way out there to achieve your goals.

[whole drum]

NW Rocky is amazing

[reef basin]

only if you want spoilers

[fluid stag]

this game is so fun i wish i could stop thinking it was factorio

[rugged shard]

What even is interactive map

[whole drum]

He hasn't shown any aversion to it

[real shale]

Think 3D and now its no longer factorio

[golden nexus]

just start building in 3d then 😛

[hasty stump]

the bliss of resource nodes that never deplete

[rustic hare]

online world map basically

[fluid stag]

fr 😭

[rugged shard]

Like whole game map?

[reef basin]

yes

[rustic hare]

yes, with spoilers and all

[fluid stag]

my issue is i keep screwing up my smart plates because im so used to designing factorio factories that i have no idea how to build in 3d now without trying to make it like factorio

[rugged shard]

Well I did check it out multiple times and I’ll I know it’s just there’s multiple biomes

[latent meadow]

that moment when you relize you could have been using electric poles to get to hard to get spots befor you even had a jet pack lol

[fluid stag]

ive tried following youtube guides and the layouts just dont make sense to me 😭

[golden nexus]

Hint: get a floor right, manifold the floor

[latent meadow]

ok i now see how huge the zipline is

your right dam that so worth

[hasty stump]

youtubers spend too much time trying to make everything pretty and elegant, for a simple design you could just build one component per floor and route things between floors using the conveyor lifts

the floor holes and conveyor walls are nice for making this easy

[fluid stag]

yeah i think thats what im going to do instead

[rugged shard]

Dawg if I only knew where north or east is

[fluid stag]

worrying about clipping is giving me a headache 😭

[golden nexus]

works extremly well, expesically if you make the logic work eg 30 ingots / floor and 10 floors = 300 ingots for the build etc...

[fluid stag]

i also think just bc the machines are too big i dont know how to plan out long term either

cuz im trying to get everything produced on the same production line and end up getting overwhelmed by how big everything is and not being able to really see the bigger picture

[rustic hare]

or just be a menace, don't care about clipping and just clip everything together

[golden nexus]

we know the max belt speed / nodes and so you know the late game max number of machines... but also consider you can just duplicate above what you alreayd have to double it, or duplicate a building later

[white dawn]

To be fair, you can keep on laying out factories as if they're 2D. Build on foundations and it should feel pretty familiar. :)

[hasty stump]

when you need a perspective from above and don't have a hoverpack yet, you can just build ladders or catwalks or hell, even containers have ladders on them

for that matter, so do most of the machines themselves

[rustic hare]

getting some top down look will help, when building a factory I kind calculate how much resource I have access to at that place, plan the amount of machines, split them into floors and test build one floor, if succeed, repeat on other floors

[white dawn]

The main things I'd recommend keeping an eye out for, coming in as a Factorio player:

1. "Main Bus" is quite difficult in Satisfactory. Remember that in this game you have infinite-producing nodes and constant production, and that the fastest Satisfactory belt is slower than the slowest Factorio belt (though I think since 1.0 that's only true if you factor in Space Age). Simple A->B logistics work a lot better; feed machines what they need.
2. Satisfactory Trains do not route around congestion. It's always shortest-path.

[fluid stag]

yeah i didnt even consider main bus thankfully 😭

[golden nexus]

its generally to be avoided except in specific situations where i cna me forced ot work

[fluid stag]

i watched someone tried to do it and it looked absolutely miserable

[white dawn]

Man Bus can be done if you're determined enough, of course! Just about anything can be done in the game. :D Just a matter of how much hassle you're willing to go through

[fluid stag]

someone told me to make myself a storage building and route everything there but the belt speed is so slow id rather just have my storage bins on site and just walk there

[golden nexus]

something i find works well is turn machines around so the output is feeding directly to where its used

[white dawn]

In some ways you've got some advantages, even, since you can build up, too. But yeah, IMO rarely worth it unless it's something you really specifically want to do for its own sake

[golden nexus]

theres a quantum depot. research it

[rugged shard]

3 reinforced iron plates + 56 screws = 2 bolted frame
Or
10 iron plates + 20 copper wire = 3 iron reinforcet plates

Or rescan

[whole drum]

There's a couple YT videos about a Main Bus, but it's mainly cosmetic at that point. There isn't really a gameplay advantage to it.

[versed cosmos]

How many times do we need to tell new players to just leave their alt recipes in the MAM 💀

[white dawn]

"Central Storage" was quite common pre-1.0 but there's "better" systems now (and there are those who feel it was of limited use even pre-1.0)

[rugged shard]

Wha

[fluid stag]

but yes this advise is helpful, im gonna get another crack at it and try to re-work my initial design and see if i can make it work

[versed cosmos]

Making a joke

[white dawn]

I explicitly recommend not doing that.

[golden nexus]

about the same as you have to say, well thats 1 done just 100+ to go

[white dawn]

Especially as a first-time player, IMO it's far better to just flip a coin and pick a recipe at random, if you have no opinions.

[rugged shard]

😔

[white dawn]

Get those recipes available for use while you're building, instead of locked away in a MAM, is my thought

[real shale]

Oh yeah, Joe is here and has reminded me I need to continue deforesting the red forest

[versed cosmos]

Rip

[fluid stag]

thats fair, i just find it miserable waiting to belt all my stuff to one spot when i can have my bins fill up quickly and deal with running to it

[white dawn]

You're never gonna get used to interacting with alt recipes if you never choose any

[rugged shard]

What if I choose bad recipe

[golden nexus]

initially it helps to build everything close together

[versed cosmos]

Leave them in the MAM for now

[sharp holly]

did you manage to fix this, I am getting this with my friend too

[versed cosmos]

Pick them when you want to use them

[white dawn]

There's no such thing as a "bad" recipe. They're all at least situationally useful

There are recipes which are more "generalist," of course, and some which have more of a specific niche

But there are more hard drives on the map than you can use, anyway. You'll get them all eventually

So really don't sweat it. Just pick one and go find more drives. :)

[hasty stump]

i used to do this but it seems like a huge waste of effort in retrospect, just dump the output into an industrial container with a depot attached (or multiple depots if you need faster upload)

[white dawn]

And I still say that especially as a new player, if you leave recipes in the MAM, you're never gonna actually have the opportunity to try them out and figure out in what situations they're useful

[rugged shard]

Okay❤️‍🩹

[white dawn]

I still strongly recommend just flipping a coin if you don't have opinions.

[hasty stump]

if you need a large quantity of something then just hypercannon over to the factory and grab stuff directly from the container, otherwise the depot is good enough

[golden nexus]

early on there is a few nice reicpies ot have, like cast screw

[whole drum]

I think new players should grab new recipes that look interesting and just try them out

[white dawn]

(The one exception for me is that if you are looking for one specific recipe unlock, then yeah, it makes sense to leave them in the MAM while you're searching, since that way the random pool gets shrunk more quickly. But then once you've found what you're looking for, I'll always recommend clearing out that backlog. :)

[real shale]

Experimentation is the key to innovation

[whole drum]

You're new. You don't know what's "optimal." Learn by doing, experiment.

[hasty stump]

for the early recipes i like iron wire and stitched iron plates a lot as well

[white dawn]

(And also, "optimal" depends on your specific circumstances. Your current factory might be near copper, but maybe the next one's near Caterium instead, and having alt recipes which lets you swap things out can be handy. You might use four different recipes to make the same material, over the course of a whole playthrough, depending on the needs/situations of the individual factories you're making)

[rustic hare]

semi-early personal fav, steel screws

almost must-have in any fuel-powered runs: diluted fuel

[golden nexus]

Recipies are almost always a trade off, sometimes people don't realise what they are trading. eg power, machine count, time to implement, resources that want used later for somerthing else

[hasty stump]

btw this reminds me, is there an easy way to see at a glance all the recipes you've unlocked, without having to examine one of each machine type?

[golden nexus]

save editor

[hasty stump]

ah i've never tried this

[white dawn]

(I will add that, of all the recipes in the game, the ones with the worst aggregate "opinion" among the community are Biocoal and Charcoal, since those require resources which can't be fully automated. Some folks do find those useful in some circumstances anyway, but I'd wager the majority of players never bother with those. If you're similarly minded and do get a hard drive roll with both Biocoal and Charcoal in them, that one might be a good candidate for leaving in there forever. :)

[golden nexus]

if you edit the unlocks... it shows whats locked/unlocked... it is... cheating?

alternative is spawn each machine and look

[rustic hare]

what about pressing N, search for the resource you want to check it's recipes on?

[hasty stump]

really just looking for an easy way to get a list of what i have, so i can check them all in the satisfactory tools calculator without having to rely on my faulty memory

[white dawn]

Yeah, SCIM (https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map) is in general the most convenient way to do that, alas

As mentioned, the codex (hitting n (or o)) and searching by resource will show you all your unlocked alts related to that resource, but it's not a "complete" list

[golden nexus]

another method is get so many drives it refuses to let you scan new ones

[hasty stump]

oh nice, i didn't realize this

[white dawn]

What I tend to do is keep my first "tab" of sftools updated with my alt recipes, as I unlock 'em, and then "clone tab" to do factory plans

That way I've only got to make sure that first tab is updated

[reef basin]

that's why I recommend independency, which allows you to not plan for long term at all 🙂

[tall lantern]

though that's only reliable if you've unlocked every milestone 😛

[hasty stump]

oh i like this

[rustic hare]

I want to try a black/white with purple theme for my quartz factory

[white dawn]

@clear tartan (re: #screenshots message ) -- First off: for questions which require images (or just which could use images for clarification), using #1038092680493801533 is nearly always the best place (or #math-and-meta or #design-and-architecture , if appropriate). Inlining images along with the question, in a forum which allows discussion, is way more convenient.

Anyway, did you just mean making all the machines in the manifold get processing at 100%?

[clear tartan]

yep

[white dawn]

One of the behaviors of manifolds is that they take a little while to "warm up." At first, the machine(s) at the front are getting "too much," and the ones at the end are starving a bit

But after awhile, the ones near the front have their input buffers fill up, and then the feeder belts get backed up, and once that's gone for awhile, the system will start working at 100%

The last two machines in the manifold will generally have basically nothing in their input buffers, but they'll get what they need to stay running just in time

If you want to avoid that startup time, you can pre-fill the input buffers so that the belts back up quite quickly. Can get nearly-instant warmups that way

(though technically there'll probably be a little bit of stutter at first, since the belts themselves have to back up a little bit too)

[hasty stump]

using faster belts than necessary also helps fill the buffers faster btw

[clear tartan]

so your saying put in rods in the first two or?

i mean ingots

[white dawn]

If those constructors need Iron Rods, then yeah, you could put a stack of Iron Rods in their input buffers.

Or heh, yeah, Ingots. Whatever they need

Or you could just wait. :)

[clear tartan]

would you say its like a 5-10 min startup

[fluid stag]

what is the best starting location btw? out of curiosity

[magic rune]

...oh, train rails can't go up 4m ramp slopes?

[rich current]

They can, but not easily.

[rich current]

Easiest to start with is the grasslands.

[magic rune]

i was specifically trying to have it be flush with the ramp, was making blueprinted towers for my rails and realized that it'd be smoother elevation transitions if i have some that are sloped too

[clear tartan]

whats the most beneficial thing to get first in tier 4

[rustic hare]

depends on the stack size of the item, the size of the manifold, and how fast are you inputting items, I'll just walk away and do something else if I know my calculations are right, check back on it later

[clear tartan]

i mean im just aiming to make 5 rotors a min

[rich current]

Not even IRL trains can do that my dude lol

[half atlas]

My friend keeps saying "the items are limited by conveyor belt speed" and I feel like this is wrong when the item being sent doesn't exceed the maximum speed the conveyor belt moves at

[whole drum]

If the output of the machine feeding the belt is equal or less than the max throughput of the belt, you're fine

[clear tartan]

also i need to go all the way out to the dunes just for good deposits dont i

[rich current]

There are pure nodes scattered all across the map. You can find a map for them online.

[reef basin]

all deposits are good

[clear tartan]

i mainly want pure or normal

[reef basin]

why so?

[clear tartan]

more ore per minute

[reef basin]

yeah but what plan do you have so that you need so much?

[rich current]

There are people who challenge themselves to use literally every node on the map.

[reef basin]

unless you specifically need so much ore, just use any set of nodes that will make the amount you need. No reason to go out of your way to find pure nodes

[golden nexus]

you know you can just overclock miner right?

[clear tartan]

true

[rich current]

Or tap all the available nodes in the area

[tall lantern]

not many of such people, since your PC will probably keel over first

[rustic hare]

isn't fully overclocking your miners the standard practice? 😅

[golden nexus]

Yeah, In multiplayer you get people who start these projects and just use the nodes but on't actually do anything useful with them

[reef basin]

no because people for some reason want to use pure nodes and those are limited by belt speed until mk6 belts

[golden nexus]

Is for me

[tall lantern]

not super early, but as you get further on you probably will, or at least as far as your belts allow

[rich current]

Putting it all in the Sink?

[clear tartan]

surely theres a way to scan for hard drives in the mam?

[rich current]

Quartz tree

[golden nexus]

sinking ore is basically pointless

[glass pagoda]

Hello

[golden nexus]

there is

[tall lantern]

uranium's easy sink points early game

[glass pagoda]

If you have an unused node nearby you may as well

But it dosent do much

[golden nexus]

This is why i mean its basically pointless

[rich current]

Far easier to process it up a bit to get actual points out of it.

[whole drum]

Sinking ore is actually pointless

[rich current]

Sinking AI Limiters is fairly early game too.

[golden nexus]

eg sinking copper gets you 3 points a go, to 180/min points for 60/min node

[glass pagoda]

It's less pointless then not using an ore near by

[golden nexus]

but sinking smart plate is like 520

[glass pagoda]

Although it is not even close to being useful it is still somthing

[whole drum]

Even if you use an iron node just to make Smart Plating slowly and then sink that, it's way more worthwhile than sinking the ore quickly.

[charred musk]

Hello 👋

[glass pagoda]

Hello

[golden nexus]

iron is 1 point per ore sinking it

[errant tapir]

I have an idea I dunno if anyone else has suggested it. What if the game simulated when you flushed fluids into the environment?

[glass pagoda]

Lag lots of lag

[charred musk]

I just started playing this game and now I'm dedicating my life to it

[rich current]

Are you trying to light your computer on fire from the inside?

[glass pagoda]

If the game used a realistic fluid simulation your computer would turn into a bomb

[errant tapir]

Some people like to play not hurting the nature, this would add a layer of difficulty that is immediately noticable.

[rich current]

plays by paving over the entire map

[glass pagoda]

Because fluid simulation is made by using hundreds of thousands of particles to simulate the smooth flow of water games often dont use actually accurate water simulatons

[tiny ether]

can i play with my friend play on our world without me being online

[errant tapir]

LIke make the water look oily and sick or the plants to dry out and die in the shape of a puddle.

[reef basin]

yes, if they host

[glass pagoda]

That's in the swamp but plants dont die out in a puddle

[tiny ether]

@reef basin but i can still play without my friend being online?

[reef basin]

then you'd need some other machine to host it

[tiny ether]

what machine?

[glass pagoda]

I think the devs are very happy with the map and Hannah redoing the spire coast from scratch was the last change major we will see with the map in a while

[reef basin]

some other PC, or a dedicated server

[glass pagoda]

But hey that's just a theory

A satisfactory theory

[glass pagoda]

You have been playing a while so what do you think about the map and if it will have any dramatic changes

[reef basin]

I haven't been playing since May 2019

[white dawn]

The map's extremely unlikely to have any major changes, unless CSS radically change their minds. Your interpretation above is (IMO) largely correct. :)

[reef basin]

also what is it with people who reply to unrelated message with unrelated question

[glass pagoda]

Because pinging someone seems too dramatic

[white dawn]

I don't think they've publicly discounted the idea of Moar Map Stuff in hypothetical future DLC (or a hypothetical Satisfactory 2 or whatever) but they've said that they're extremely reluctant to mess with the current balance

[glass pagoda]

I see why i mean the map is crafted to perfection in a very balanced manner

[white dawn]

I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually get some more smaller "bugfix" type tweaks on the map; there's still some instances of unintended weirdness; texture problems and such. The odd floating rock or whatever. :)

[reef basin]

so you instead ping me together with replying to another message and I have to guess that it's a different convo not related to the previous one

[golden nexus]

Needs trader dlc, like do X for hard disk, Y for sphere, Z for sloops for expirenced players so they don't have to run the map each game

[glass pagoda]

Yup

[reef basin]

ok, don't do that, thanks

[glass pagoda]

Alright

[errant tapir]

Yeah, there is this one quartz cluster in one particlar pond that is blocking the last water pump I need at one plant.

[white dawn]

There's some hints that there might be a "node randomization" game mode coming up in v1.2, though I don't think that's 100% known for sure yet

[errant tapir]

No matter how I approach the cluster it won't let me mine it out.

[reef basin]

(and I'd recommend to not do it to anyone, it's not really good discord behavior imo)

[teal geyser]

@reef basin Doesn't reply feature allow you to see which message is being quoted though?

[glass pagoda]

The developers said they think that would be to unbalanced

[reef basin]

yes, but they are replying with a question unrelated to the quoted message

[grim carbon]

besides dying, is there another way to get back to the hub?

[reef basin]

walking

[glass pagoda]

Travel

[mortal ginkgo]

moving towards it

[white dawn]

So long as it's an alternate game mode, I don't think they care so much. After all, Advanced Game Settings is in the game and those are unbalanced. :)

[grim carbon]

i'm totally lost

[golden nexus]

walk... do turn on keep inventory and just die

[reef basin]

you have a... map

[grim carbon]

yes

i have no idea how i got where i am

[reef basin]

then use the map to find a way back

[grim carbon]

easier said than done

[white dawn]

life, amirite?

[grim carbon]

i see the hub marker on the compass

[mortal ginkgo]

big dog went to another map

[teal geyser]

Surely it can't be the first game you have played that uses a map?

[mortal ginkgo]

Good, now go towards it.

[grim carbon]

no

[teal geyser]

FUCKING A lmfao

[grim carbon]

again, easier said than done considering where i am in relation to it

[glass pagoda]

True but they said specifically that spawning next to three uranium nodes would be hell and with all the possibilities and veritables it would be hard just for a feature that they say is unneeded

[teal geyser]

Are you trolling or something?

[white dawn]

I believe that there's still a bug where driving in a vehicle doesn't actually reveal the fog-of-war on your map. Can end up with a sea of "unexplored" area on your map if you go exploring by car. :D

[grim carbon]

no i'm serious

[mortal ginkgo]

go to gameplay option, select "keep items when die", then respawn

[white dawn]

I mean, I don't know what else to say apart from "they've hinted that the mode is coming in v1.2." Time will tell, of course!

[reef basin]

I'm pretty sure that making you not spawn next to a problematic space isn't that hard to do, should they do the gamemode

(and even if they don't do that, the chance for this to happen is very small and since it's a new game, you can just restart)

[white dawn]

They do sometimes change their minds about stuff, after all. And I believe that the randomized-node question was always a "maybe after 1.0 has been released" sort of thing. :)

[glass pagoda]

True maybe they will im exited to see

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean.. To be fair what does this change I don't get. Since at phas3 it is "train spamming" anyway

[teal geyser]

Ok, but we are "seriously" trying to help you

[grim carbon]

i get that

i'm in a totally deep hole, and i don't see any way out

can i drown?

[golden nexus]

Build your way out?

[grim carbon]

AHA!!!

[mortal ginkgo]

Just exit the hole before its too late, you may never know how troubling it might be in the future

[green fiber]

you can hit escape and respawn

[teal geyser]

We need more information here. Did you fall down somewhere with no resources? THERE WE GO. Some context

[glass pagoda]

@green fiber your name is similar to a general who fought in the American Civil war

Just noticed

[grim carbon]

i went looking for oil, cos i just did the milestone

[white dawn]

Good ol' Ulysses S. "Back in the Flow" Grant

[glass pagoda]

It was McClellan

Somthing similar i dont know the exact spelling

[grim carbon]

the only way out i see is to do the respawn

[glass pagoda]

And sadly his last name was not back in the flow so that's sad

[rich current]

Got the "Totally Normal Fiscmas Gift" again!

[teal geyser]

Do you not have any kind of resources on you to build ladders or ramps out of there?

[grim carbon]

i've put a highlighted marker

[teal geyser]

I love that gift!

[white dawn]

Who doesn't appreciate totally normal gifts?

[glass pagoda]

Only the worst dont

[rich current]

For those who don't know, you get a free Detonator, and 20 standard Noblisk

[green fiber]

and a free concussion!

[glass pagoda]

And a nice breeze

[teal geyser]

To mark the hole?

[rich current]

And instant tan lines through the coveralls

[grim carbon]

no, my oil

[glass pagoda]

Bro is not going back home

[grim carbon]

i'm trying something

[mortal ginkgo]

While ignoring all possible advices

[green fiber]

maybe it really wasnt possible

[glass pagoda]

He's trying somthing

[glass pagoda]

What you trying?

[grim carbon]

you might think i'm crazy

but im using foundations to build a kind of a step up system

[glass pagoda]

That's not crazy its just stairs

[grim carbon]

yep

[glass pagoda]

But don't you have a ladder unlocked

[grim carbon]

at least that's the idea

i don't know if it'll even work

no i don't

[glass pagoda]

Bronacho you should unlock them

[teal geyser]

Yea, I don't like when people don't listen

[glass pagoda]

People dont have to follow your advice even if its good

[grim carbon]

yeah, i haven't got to that stage yet

[glass pagoda]

Don't disobey me kitten ah 🥀

[mortal ginkgo]

This isn't an individual ordeal. He is not listening anyone at all. This is like posting on a tumbler post 😛

[glass pagoda]

😛

[grim carbon]

i did the respawn

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean we are getting update on whats happening to him, but he is ignoring ALL the advices.

This is like bluesky. Everyone's blocked for some people kek

[teal geyser]

Buddy here is stuck in a hole with little to no resources, not much useful buildables unlocked, and we are giving him tips on how to get out of the hole

[teal geyser]

For real it seems

[glass pagoda]

True true

[grim carbon]

hey! i am listening

[teal geyser]

Didn't seem like it

[mortal ginkgo]

You are hearing, but not listening 😛

[glass pagoda]

Brochacho is not

[grim carbon]

the hole was just too deep to make it practical

[mortal ginkgo]

There is a difference between I am afraid.

I constantly say that impure limestone nodes are important but

NOBODY'S LISTENING!

[teal geyser]

For the future, unlock ladders and ramps from the MAM, carry enough resources with you to build to space several times, and don't fall down anymore holes

[scenic mirage]

i use all nodes, no matter the purity 😉

[grim carbon]

the falling down the hole may be the hardest part of that

[glass pagoda]

Your heart is pure we love you just the way you are

[grim carbon]

i have ramps and foundations unlocked, but not ladders

[teal geyser]

How? Do you not have eyes?

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, give credit where its due; big dog went to phase 3 without purchasing anything from Awesome Shop

[whole drum]

🧏

[glass pagoda]

Amen

[teal geyser]

Ramps are from the MAM AWESOME shop, no?

[glass pagoda]

I think so

[golden nexus]

shop

[mortal ginkgo]

I thought he didn't have ramps either T_T

[wicked nacelle]

Not the basic ones

[grim carbon]

i do

[mortal ginkgo]

but I think you got ficsit ramps right away?

without shop that is

[golden nexus]

foundations?

[glass pagoda]

Good job hellen keller

[grim carbon]

she's ded

dead, i respawned

[teal geyser]

My brain is too fried from trying to help this guy

Mistaking the shop for the MAM

[grim carbon]

not everyone is a frickoing genius

[wicked nacelle]

No you don’t have to get ramps separately

[mortal ginkgo]

Let me reset your brain:

Did you know that when you have a Solid Biofuel on ground, if you put a chainsaw on the floor closeby, the Chainsaw got a special "rest against Biofuel" standing look.

[glass pagoda]

[mortal ginkgo]

So instead of being on floor, it rests on the biofuel

[grim carbon]

what is that?

[real shale]

There's that impure limestone node

I have something to show you

[glass pagoda]

😔lost cause he's done

[real shale]

#screenshots message

Gaze upon it's beauty

[glass pagoda]

We all gather here to morn the loss of craftys brain

[real shale]

The floating platform of fuel generators strikes again

[mortal ginkgo]

OH LOOK ANOTHER 23948223904820 AMOUNT OF FUEL GEN SETUP ON A FLYING 1M FOUNDATION! BIG DOG IS TOO ORIGINAL AND I AM ANGY!

[unique pewter]

Alrighty. So starting from scratch, what is the most efficient way of producing modular frames without taking up a fuckton of space :)

[grim carbon]

i was trying to follow all the mayhem of all the comments and attempting to get out of a giant hole

[glass pagoda]

It was a good brain but its gone now rest in peace

[rich current]

Verticality.

[mortal ginkgo]

PLEASE POST THIS ON REDDIT I AM SURE NOBODY DID THAT IN 15 MINUTES

[glass pagoda]

Vertical splitters:(

[real shale]

:P don't worry I have to do it... A second time

[glass pagoda]

Bye yall

[real shale]

Luckily not as many fuel generators this time though, only 72

[rich current]

This is what logistics floors are for?

[unique pewter]

What would be a nice way, maybe I can learn sum for later too

[magic rune]

...huh. can't believe it took me this long to realize, signal placement is NOT about which side of the rail i'm on (left vs right), it's about which track segment i'm mousing over that will be "after" the signal.

[unique pewter]

Tryna be neat now, no more spaghetti since I can make floors and such now

[grim carbon]

yippee people, i now have ladders in my stash

[real shale]

But....spaghetti....

[unique pewter]

But is there a nice way to wire up multiple things without having to go 500 feet out with splitters or sum. Is it practical to just have a splitter for each machine instead and run it down that way?

[rich current]

Manifolds like that can work

[unique pewter]

Obviously it would take a bit to fully start being nice

Since they have to fill 1 by 1

[rich current]

Smart Splitters make that a whole lot easier to manage.

[unique pewter]

I fo not have those 😭

I am teir 4

[rich current]

Got Caterium nearby?

[unique pewter]

I working on teir 4

[rich current]

They're a MAM unlock

[unique pewter]

No idea I may be able to check

Closest one is 850 m away

Singular i think too

[silent heron]

You are suspiciously crab like

[grim carbon]

is there something wrong with my MAM?

[sudden flint]

so

[rich current]

Context?

[sudden flint]

trains apparently generate power whilst going downhill?

[primal obsidian]

wow youd hate my world

[sudden flint]

and consume it while they go up?

[rich current]

Regenerative braking is a thing.

[grim carbon]

the last couple of times i've researched things in it, another text comes through interfering with it

this time i was researching mercer spheres

[silent heron]

They do?

[sudden flint]

so why are train generators where they travel along a long track going down and a short track going up, set up to be on one another's opposite phase, not a thing?

[rich current]

Bits of storyline. Keep playing and unlocking things. Will happen again.

[grim carbon]

oh right

ok

[unique pewter]

RAHH PURE CATERIUM

[gritty sleet]

Minor nitpick, but I think the green lighting effect on the encased uranium cells is broken. It has the green lights on the wiki, but in-game, they don't glow at all.

[rich current]

Perpetual motion machine's same problem. Some energy is always converted to heat.

[sudden flint]

ah

this makes sense

[real shale]

There is no free energy!

[sudden flint]

😔

[rugged shard]

Whats the difference between power pole and power tower? Beside the size difference

[sudden flint]

range

[whole drum]

The reason perpetual motion machines don't work is one simple word: Entropy.

[sudden flint]

and ease of transport via the zipline

[rugged shard]

Oh okay, that might be useful

[whole drum]

Yeah, power towers are for extending your grid out long distances. Poles are mostly for powering machines on that grid.

[real shale]

The power tower is also beautiful while the power pole is ugly

[rich current]

Keeping it in plain English.

[rugged shard]

Yes exactly 🔥

[rugged shard]

Oh yea I need it then

[whole drum]

But because they messed up the hoverpack, people will use poles all over the map since towers have more range to connect than the pack has to reach them.

[real shale]

Still wish the lines themselves charged the hoverpack

[gritty sleet]

How is the hoverpack messed up?

[whole drum]

I just told you lol

[rich current]

Uses the pole to charge, not the cable running along.

[real shale]

Only connection points charge the pack instead of the line

[gritty sleet]

Ah

[tame bobcat]

is oil meant to be annoying to work with 😭 i swear these pipes never work the way i want them to

[whole drum]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Pipeline_Manual.pdf
Read the first half of this and see if it doesn't make more sense

[real shale]

Okay now that i have 100 GW of power maybe i should start building space elevator parts for phase 4

[tame bobcat]

im kinda using pipes the same way i use conveyors, guessing it doesnt work that way

[whole drum]

Not quite

[tame bobcat]

figured

[rugged shard]

What how, how you got that much before phase 4

[whole drum]

They are similar, but behave differently

[whole drum]

Tons of oil

[real shale]

oh no im on phase 4, but yeah what mocha said, TONS of oil

[rugged shard]

Oh okay, damn

[real shale]

from 2250 oil/min ive got 75 GW of power from it

[tame bobcat]

ok so ive already learnt they can flow both ways and gravity actually matters with pipes

[real shale]

another tip for pipes, pipes hate load balancing, its doable with it but not ideal in most circumstances, any chance you get you should run pipes in a manifold

as plenty of people will say here, keep pipes simple, point A to point B. no excessive splitting, merging, balancing etc etc otherwise it just doesnt work

[tame bobcat]

yea all im doing is producing enough fuel and feeding into generators, might need to mess around with pipes and have 1 at each end to make it better for my generators (something i just saw on that manual lol)

[scenic mirage]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf

[whole drum]

Basic rules that fix most pipe problems.

• Pre-fill pipes before you turn on machines that draw from them
• Don't use buffers, except with trains
• Don't use valves
• Ensure you have enough headlift if you are pumping your water upward
• Always feed your machines down from your pipes (so gravity helps)
• Keep it super simple (KISS)
• Try to match your pipe input and output rates

[tame bobcat]

gonna save this for later thanks

[real shale]

Secret rule, if something is wrong with your factory production, 9/10 its the pipes lol

[rich current]

Full pipes are happy pipes. F***ing gold in the manual.

[real shale]

I am ashamed to say I always break the rule of feeding machines down, but it works out for me anyway... pumps my beloved

i like to defy gravity

[robust terrace]

Dumb question, but how do you get past the big boulders blocking what I'm assuming is a new section of the map

[whole drum]

Feeding them level usually works, but feeding them upward is an invitation to issues

[real shale]

I invite the challenge that issues of feeding them upwards brings

[teal geyser]

Big boom boom explosives!

(Nobelisks, which are unlocked in the MAM under the Sulfur Tree)

[magic rune]

i have my machines outputting upward into a manifold because that was the only clean way to get the pipes out of the way of the belts... their intakes are on-level though

[robust terrace]

Okay, I was wondering

[real shale]

#screenshots message Beautiful fuel line water...rise? not even waterfall here

[whole drum]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1449536437279133730
This is one way to do it

[magic rune]

yeah, kinda. i did a bit more specific of upward pipe bending to get junctions at the right level to then rebuild the pipes directly into them. it's clean and it works

[real shale]

oh no i accidentally placed an explosive device against my fuel lines, in a real world situation this would be very dangerous

[green fiber]

irl you would just take it off again

here....
💥

[tranquil maple]

This is gonna sound kinda dumb, but i wanna move the space elevator. Is there a way to move the orbital platform as well so that it stays centered on the elevator?

[real shale]

NOOOOO mcgalleon....rip 😔

[green fiber]

it always stays centered

[tame bobcat]

just to check you only need pumps going up/for headlift right, not going horizontal for a long time

[tranquil maple]

Ittl js move on its own?

[green fiber]

you can only move the "anchor" on the planet

the space station stays in place but its still is always "centered" with the anchor and space cable

[tranquil maple]

alr

[green fiber]

some kinda magic perspective trick

[rugged shard]

I looked at interactive map and I lowk think im gonna start a new save from dunes/desert. I'm still only completing space elevator phase 3 and only have small coal power plant, but I need opinions should i do this😭

[whole drum]

You still have a lot you can learn on this save. I would focus more on that than trying for some "optimal" start without knowing that stuff.

[mortal ginkgo]

Rocky Desert is awesome.

Dune is also good but some people say its a bit too sandy and can get boring to look around.

I mean, it is a DUNE Desert. It is meant to be like wherever you look at, it is desert but you do you big dog.

[tame bobcat]

welp with this newfound knowledge time to rebuild this oil plant like 15 times 😭

[magic rune]

...huh. i was under the impression that rails, as long as they're connected to a powered train station at some point, maintained hoverpack connection along their entire length (whereas power lines are only point-based sources at their connection terminals)

[rugged shard]

Hmm okay

[whole drum]

The problem you have is that you're still early on enough that iron/copper are your primary considerations--but later tiers will focus more on resources that aren't so readily accessible from the Dunes, so you'll end up frustrated in the opposite direction.

[ornate idol]

I think the dunes desert is a great starting location. There's plenty of room to build and tons of early game resources.

[rugged shard]

But the iron... And those 3 pure copper nodes are really looking funny to me right now

[whole drum]

Rails are point-based too, but it's hidden under the rails

[unique pewter]

So apparently underneath me are quartz nodes. Idk how to get under where I am, help?

#screenshots message

[mortal ginkgo]

Iron Wire + Stitched Iron Plate entered the chat.

[versed cosmos]

big cave with a few entrances

try to the east

[rugged shard]

Wai is that good? I have it in mam I think

[magic rune]

well maybe sure, but there was a location just now where i was literally standing on the rail, with no hoverpower

[versed cosmos]

by the coast and by some coal nodes

[mortal ginkgo]

you cant have it in MaM, they are alt recipes.

Iron Wire allows you to make... GET READY FOR SPOILERS BROTHERMAN - Wire from Iron so you don't need Copper for it anymore.

Stitched Iron Plate asks for Iron Plate and Wire, instead of screws.

[whole drum]

Could be similar to the power tower issue if you built your rails long enough

[rugged shard]

Whaa that first one acc so nice

[magic rune]

...oh. ohhhh... you're saying that rails are only point-power for hoverpacks at their segment endpoints?

[whole drum]

Yeah

[rugged shard]

Also could've warned about spoilers🙄🙄

[ornate idol]

I must be missing something. I was pretty sure all alt recipes come from the MaM.

[golden nexus]

Yes

[mortal ginkgo]

Technically objectively anime-logically correct.

One still needs Hard Drive tho, MaM just scans it.

[whole drum]

Hard Drives are ammo for your MAM gun.

[ornate idol]

or as some other people might say, literally correct. All things in the MAM have a cost, the alt recipes cost a hard drive.

[rugged shard]

Also Isint that second one better whit screws ? 😭

[mortal ginkgo]

MaM is not a Constructor in a sense. Thats why you aren't EXACTLY 100% correct. You are providing less context to prove your point. I kek at your dilemma.

[mortal ginkgo]

No Screws = Happy Low Mk Belt

[queen slate]

is turbofuel better than regular fuel for a fuel powered factoy

[ornate idol]

though I found it funny that at 1.0 they added turbo-fuel as a "fixed" alternate, still requiring a hard drive. I guess it's vindication for all of us who liked turbo fuel but would get accused of "wasting" sulfur. 🙄

[rugged shard]

Aaa, yes actually, youre right, my apologies

[whole drum]

Generally I don't use alt recipes for rips because the base recipe is so easy, but I might if I had a location with low quantity of iron and some spare copper around.

[versed cosmos]

yeah it's a little more than twice as energy dense

[unique pewter]

This is a freaky ass cave for a factory game

[mortal ginkgo]

I think they did it because back then it was an alt recipe.

But having a "Actual Recipe" and not "Alt Recipe" was odd so devs changed it.

Why do they still asks for Hard Drive? Only my mom knows.

[rich current]

We are on an alien planet after all?

[mortal ginkgo]

Some caves also don't just have smol spiders.

Some caves have larger spiders.

[queen slate]

is there an alt for turbofuel idk if compacted coal is worth making

[whole drum]

Green spiders and hatchers are the worst things to have in caves

[mortal ginkgo]

Green Spiders are easy to counter with Stun Rebar as they jump rather a lot. What you need to do extra is having some courage because a monstrosity at the size of Manufacturer is running rapidly towards you.

[whole drum]

I usually don't even research stun rebar, lol

[rich current]

Odd behavior on Parachutes... If going up an incline, you can basically sail up instead.

[whole drum]

But I do hotkey 4m wall segments

[white dawn]

Yeah, Stun Rebar's a good way to cheese a lot of the scarier enemies prior to getting rifle'd up

[mortal ginkgo]

Turbofuel is not worth mass producing for power gens imho because next phase you get rocketfuel which is a MUCH better thing with extra setup.

I say yolo FUEL nom nom for power

[white dawn]

(Without building combat bunkers or attack scaffolding or whatnot, anyway. :)

[whole drum]

I just put obstacles in their way

And plink them down with rebar or cnobs

[strong fiber]

😭

bro be building a whole obstacle course

[whole drum]

If I get hit at that point, I probably deserved it--he earned it

[mortal ginkgo]

5 sec stun is quite a long time to either run or put a cluster nobe beneath them.

Or nuclear to one shot them directly if fancy.

In my case, I had to go around half the map to meet enough of those large variants that my fear went away due to overexposure. Now I see every little spider from far away the Alpha size and yologun them down. I guess thats PTSD.

O'well.

[white dawn]

If you're willing to be a bit patient, you can keep a Nuke Hog stunlocked w/ Stun Rebar and eventually just take it down that way. :D Only really works when you've got just a single Nuke Hog though. (And that takes a big chunk out of a Stun Rebar stack, in the end)

[unique pewter]

Uh oh I forgot about the gas at the enterance

[mortal ginkgo]

Yeah, Stun Rebar + Shatter is a good combo too early game.

[queen slate]

just nobelisks cant wait to explode eveything i see

[whole drum]

I just don't like having to manage switching ammo/weapons

[mortal ginkgo]

But I like sending them off the map because they are mostly around such places. They go WEEEEEEEEEEEE

[whole drum]

Also, sometimes you can prebuild the barriers if you know something dangerous is likely lurking behind some breakable rocks or something

[mortal ginkgo]

I love how them chonky boys just go give up

[mortal ginkgo]

Reminds me of the time that 2 Green Spiders were behind a removable rock. And all I had was simple rebar gun.

All the large tippy-tappy sounds were there for warning but I DID NOT LISTEN BROTHERMAN!

[whole drum]

lol

You can also just build an explorer since apparently enemy AI just turns off while you're in it

Splatting bugs on my windshield all day

[mortal ginkgo]

Oh I even have a story for that.

So there was a time I was going around with Explorer, so I was like "imma bonk that Stinger and grab remains, free loot lolsggbigdog". So I bonked it, it went ragdoll physics...

... I got out of the Explorer, and it took me around 0.3 seconds to realize that, that thing was actually LARGER than it supposed to be and I never had seen one before.

So when it got out of the ragdoll to attack, player damage was fine, what wasn't fine was the jumpscare that I was not prepared for.

[queen slate]

is this a bad idea rushing to (phase 4 i think) the one after you unlock oil

[mortal ginkgo]

its never a bad idea since there is no damage for doing so. some people even do that just for Hoverpack.

just be prepared for unforseen consequences, aka more work than you would have done if you had proper phase 3 bases etc

[white dawn]

It's difficult to truly "rush" a phase completion, since the Elevator parts you need to make tend to require most of the resources from the Phase anyway

[queen slate]

thats why i wanna do rush hovepack

[white dawn]

There's certainly no harm in leaving various milestones unlocked if you don't want them, though (or at least don't want them "yet")

[strong fiber]

I aint ever getting jump pad milestone

[queen slate]

i just dont wanna automate computers and heavy modular frames just yet yk

[whole drum]

Heavy frames aren't too bad, but Computers are one of the first recipes where I'm like, "Ugh, do I have to?"

[queen slate]

ik i should build it independantly but ill do it laaater

[mortal ginkgo]

you need a lil bit of Computer for one Part. Other 2 are easily managable me thinks.

[queen slate]

time to not rely on machines lol

[fast ruin]

finally getting to make uranium to make nuclear power

[white dawn]

Huh, interesting. I think the usual reaction is the other way around

HMFs are usually folks' first introduction to a factory that's truly big

[fast ruin]

spent 1h placing like 20pumps to get acid to factory

just to get jumped on by 5 big radioactive spiders

[versed cosmos]

i'm literally doing this right now lol

[queen slate]

i hate the spiders

[versed cosmos]

i dont want to place all the refineries for the plastic lol

[fast ruin]

i hate also, thanksfully the hover jetpack + rebarb gun got my back

[whole drum]

I think it's just because I got so comfortable making rips, which makes frames, so half the work is already done.

[fast ruin]

idk what to do with nuclear waste tho

[versed cosmos]

if you gotta make a large number of heavy frames/min its challenging but just getting your first frames factory isnt too bad

i build my modular frame factory to have my heavy frame factory attached to it

[white dawn]

You've got four options for nuclear:

1. Make Uranium Rods > Burn Them > Store the Uranium Waste forever
2. Make U Rods > Burn Them > Convert the U Waste to Plutonium Rods > Sink the Pu Rods (for a "clean" nuclear option)
3. Make U Rods > Burn Them > Convert U Waste to Pu Rods > Burn Them > Store the Plutonium Waste forever
4. Make U Rods > Burn Them > Convert U Waste to Pu Rods > Burn Them > Convert Pu Waste to Ficsonium Rods > Burn Them (for another "clean" option; Ficsonium produces no waste)

Once you get past Uranium Fuel Rods, the only other product which is sinkable is Plutonium Fuel Rods. Plutonium waste accumulates much more slowly than Uranium waste, so folks storing waste often prefer that. Ficsonium itself is quite resource-expensive (particularly SAM) and doesn't produce much extra power. But if you want the extra power from Plutonium and still want "clean" nuclear, that's the option. :)

[rustic hare]

but frames feel like a normal progression, where you know it's needed, like I have tier 1 small frame, I add concrete, steel, etc.. to make tier 2 frame and so on

while for computers it's like "you unlocked plastics? here's this totally foreign tree that you are unsure if it's gonna be needed in bulk or not"

[fast ruin]

ok but i'm only at phase 4 and very far from pahse 5 atm

[tall lantern]

that just rules out Ficsonium then

[golden nexus]

I decided to start a 2026 save 🙂

[white dawn]

You've got access to options 1-3 at Phase 4. :)

[fast ruin]

so no pluto for me for a while, i guess i'll have to dump it time to time

[tall lantern]

plutonium's P4

[fast ruin]

got access to pluto at phase 4?

[white dawn]

(And you can always build out Ficsonium later if you don't mind storing some Pu Waste in the meantime)

[grim carbon]

I just discovered what my map stuff looks like, and now i wish i had never looked at it from that angle

[rustic hare]

make pu rods and sink it or let drones consume it

[versed cosmos]

you can feed nuclear fuel to drones without generating waste?

[golden nexus]

yes

[white dawn]

Yes, though you'd presumably want to overflow to sink regardless, since gauging drone/vehicle rod consumption rates would be difficult to do exactly

If you're willing to irradiate your droneports/truckstations, rods definitely make good fuels for those, though. :)

(And to be fair, a single stack of rods isn't gonna generate that much ambient radiation)

[queen slate]

cool gl 😄

[grizzled lotus]

#screenshots message seeing your first multi-item train do its work is satisfying

[golden nexus]

The mess so far lol #screenshots message

[queen slate]

honestly it doesnt look that mad

bad*

[golden nexus]

its clustered

[queen slate]

you have progressed a lot aleady

[golden nexus]

been going 2 hours now

so i am on coal already, also have proper rotor / rplate factories

[queen slate]

u cooking gj

[golden nexus]

10/min rplate, 12/min rotor, 30/min rod, 60/min plate, some screws, a very bad mod frame

[twin helm]

Is there a nice over/underclock % for electric turbo motors because those numbers are triggering

[golden nexus]

Only milding confusing concrete 😛 #screenshots message

[cunning glade]

Why do refineries have too be so tall

Like them being like 5 walls tall would be so nice

[silent dust]

Considering their sheer power in terms of what they provide in game, I think it's a fair trade-off. Also allows you to get a little bit more creative with your factory design.

[cunning glade]

Well I need 120 of them

And that doesn't fit on the first floor so I have too do a second just for them it's gonna be so tall

I don't really have any more space too make it wider either

[uneven edge]

Does anyone know how to get rid of the tall but fat creature that’s stuck in my factory

[cunning glade]

I think it's gonna be ugly

[golden nexus]

kill it

[silent dust]

Hold my beer, goodquestion. Looking for this screenshot.

[uneven edge]

I don’t really wanna kill it it’s kinda cute

[thick burrow]

Proceeds to make large sprawled factory on a large flat floating foundation base with no walls

[twin helm]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

[thick burrow]

Attack it once and it'll run away

[cunning glade]

So real I keep telling myself I'll go back and decorate things

[uneven edge]

Ok thanks

[silent dust]

Okay, I have no good refinery SS at the moment, just Fuel Generators. BUT...I have definitely been there @thick burrow. There was a time...

[fast ruin]

Using 2.9mw with max capacity at 3.2mw is making me sweat. All hail nuclear power

And max power usage at 5.3mw

[whole drum]

Make an augmentor or two

[cunning glade]

Okay I see

[silent dust]

Turbofuel!

[cunning glade]

I just fear I may run out of plastic

Tho ig I can make more

[silent dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1449726531894116374/Screenshot_20251207-172551.png?ex=6953b90b&is=6952678b&hm=bfec62857b372067eafcbb654e95533d6f19ad790a6446cad49be78cb4c83cef

[white dawn]

IMO it's good to be in the frame of mind where you acknowledge that you're eventually gonna run out of anything, and will need to make more. :D The map will provide!

[cunning glade]

See that's my fear I end up using all the oil by the time I need it

[silent dust]

Eh, you won't.

[white dawn]

Unless you're literally embarking on a huge "Max <Resource>" or "Literally use up all the <Oretype>" megaproject, you're basically never gonna literally exhaust materials on the map, etc. :)

[cunning glade]

But I shouldn't rubber goes next too the desert like swamp but not swamp blue Crater is just for rocketfuel the oil next too rocky currently makes 60gw for now but will probs not be perm and used too make something else

[white dawn]

For oil in particular, remember that there's 12,600/min on the map. :)

[silent dust]

@cunning glade - Blue Crater should get you far, far more than 60GW. And should provide a healthy amount of plastic + rubber.

[thick burrow]

Just put some walls around with with some pillars and random stuff to make it look realistic, and that's all

[cunning glade]

No pure power

I'm gonna need it I think

[silent dust]

Also, I recommend using a double container fed into a dimensional depot. You'll rarely run out once it stacks up.

[cunning glade]

For plastic I make 3600/m but for rubber idk cuz I haven't made it yet making hmf first

[fading whale]

About to dismantle my Ficmas factory.
Looking forward to reclaiming the 56 Somersloops there 😂

[cunning glade]

Yeah ik it's uhh just I don't go do that

I will tho trust

First I'm making 50hmf

[thick burrow]

Embrace perfectionism and cry over every slightly crooked conveyor

[cunning glade]

Oh I already do

[silent dust]

After my first playthrough during EA, I've taken upon a new love for decorating and details. It really stretches out the game and lets you appreciate what you've built.

[cunning glade]

Not straight belts bug me like really bad like is it OCD or something idk

[silent dust]

And the endless notebooks on my office desk of conveyor math 😄

[thick burrow]

I just wish there were more flat expanses, the rocks and odd alien terrain makes the large factories look like an oversized 3D model clipped on another game

[fading whale]

You have concrete foundations.
Make it flat.

[thick burrow]

Then it'll be floating or extremely high which is still pretty unrealistic if you ask me

[fading whale]

Not if you put vertical beams under it.
Two should suffice.

[thick burrow]

I'm a big fan of physics

[fading whale]

Overratesd if you ask me.
I do like pillars though 😄

[thick burrow]

I ask and block my ears not to hear the answer

[fading whale]

Considering that the terrain has these bent rock formations, it's a bit like Pandora from Avatar. And shit floats around there.
Floating factories seems realistic enough.

And we can do it without jacked Smurfs trying to kills us.

[thick burrow]

Sadly we can't just nuke the mountains to open up space, or burn the forest flat with spaceships neither

Imagine building on the flat earth-like mountains you see on the horizon

[gritty sleet]

Actually even the in-game icon for them shows the green circle on top and the little vertical green stripes on the sides. But they're just black on the in-game model. Definitely seems bugged, since that might be the only radioactive item that doesn't actually glow anywhere.

[eager pilot]

Best spot to setup a reasonable size nuclear plant?

[gritty sleet]

Swamp is most-popular from what I've seen. I didn't build mine there, because I don't like the swamp lol

[white dawn]

Water availability is the main thing. You don't want to have to deal with transporting water or piping it a long distance

[eager pilot]

I don’t understand why, I don’t like it either

[white dawn]

There's enough that goes into nuclear that you're likely to have to logistic in at least some stuff, so IMO location doesn't really matter much (and at that point in the game you've got all logistics options available anyway)

[thick burrow]

On the sea

[white dawn]

But yeah, the swamp is a common spot for moderate-sized nuclear setups; you've got nearly everything you need basically right there

[gritty sleet]

Lots of water and there's a uranium node nearby

[eager pilot]

True.

[gritty sleet]

I built my fuel rod factory in the Abyss Cliffs south of the swamp on top of that nitrogen well, train in the uranium (and other stuff) and drone out the fuel rods to my actual nuclear power plant at the Paradise Island waterfall in the southwest corner of the map.

[uneven edge]

Hey guys could someone maybe respond to my question in screenshots if you can

[tepid swift]

is there a channel to make suggestions?

[whole drum]

You should really use #1038092680493801533 for that

People can't just chat in screenshot channel

[eager pilot]

Not sure of those location names but I’ll check it out

[gritty sleet]

Sorry, I'm referencing the world map in the wiki

[eager pilot]

All good

[eager pilot]

True, is mk3 worth to use?

[uneven edge]

Oh ok I see

[gritty sleet]

Mk3 miner?

[eager pilot]

Yes

[fading whale]

Only if you want twice as much resources pr minute.

[tepid swift]

i sent you a dm about ur ss

[gritty sleet]

Yep, it's an impure uranium node in the swamp, so I've actually got it overclocked at bit with a mk3 miner. I'm processing 400 uranium/minute overall, but also using the normal uranium node in that long tunnel leading up from the grassy fields void pit thing.

[eager pilot]

Nice thanks. Is your setup scalable

[gritty sleet]

Nope, I don't do modular setups. It's entirely bespoke. Here's a Tools link if you wanna see it though.
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=E9EFkZ3efiWsCcTYZ76k

Probably not the most-helpful, since there's some assumptions I've made there like stuff coming from other factories by train and drone, but you hopefully get the general idea.

[real shale]

I have finished my 75 GW fuel gen factory....but I'm not satisfied....I must build more .....

[gritty sleet]

Nuclear imo

[real shale]

Don't need to go nuclear for a while now

[rich current]

Always full nuclear

[real shale]

I have 100 GW total and another 18 GW to connect in...but I wanna get some factories going for phase 4 parts, still haven't bothered to start it yet

Don't even have particle enrichment yet lol

[rich current]

Recently rebooted myself. I am working on Phase 2 stuff at the moment.

Am also that barbarian who has 24 portable miners on impure nodes

[golden nexus]

Same, Middle of making first steel production

[gritty sleet]

I'm actually only using the 50 GW of uranium fuel right now. Another 37.5 GW left on the table. The plutonium fuel is going right into the sink next to the future plutonium reactors as a way to deal with the plutonium waste, because I don't have the tech to do ficsonium yet.

[rich current]

Am just now getting Blueprints again

[soft marsh]

Saw a pretty dope build in the northern canyon and now I'm tempted to build a base over there since I'm in the middle of rebuilding anyway 🤔

[golden nexus]

I am at this stage.... #screenshots message

[fading whale]

Setting up a couple of fuel gens myself.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1455338494103912480/Screenshot_20251229-160738.png?ex=69545d17&is=69530b97&hm=9067f41d12bdac40a215e5d25384d955f9c9b31cbfafbbe097b40371de7da3ad&

[smoky trench]

whats the easiest way to deforest a biome

[rich current]

Chainsaw

[tall lantern]

save editor

[golden nexus]

superchainsaw mod

[fading whale]

Harsh language.

[rich current]

Nuclear Nobelisk

[slate sable]

nobelisks for speed, chainsaw for biomas but i would just invite a couple friends/ not slaves and give them chainsaws instead

then it will take them like 30mins to an hr plus there will be a lot of shenanigans too

perhaps i pinged the wrong person too

[rich current]

If well paid, they're employees. If highly underpaid, then they're indentured servants. 😂

[slate sable]

technically aren’t pioneers indents? or do we get paid in belt spaghetti and the memories we made along the way

[gritty sleet]

TIL they added storage shelves at some point, and those three types of personal storage boxes snap onto them 😮

[rich current]

Pffft, You think Ada pays us at all?

[slate sable]

ada pays us by not making us listen to ads while we automate, explore and exploit

and by gracing us with her presence

[rich current]

At least in this game you've got the semblance of freedom. Other games like Star Rupture, you're literally a convict.

[slate sable]

true

but we automate willingly most of the time so

[rich current]

Gluttons for punishment?

[golden nexus]

its why the save the day program exists

[rich current]

The kittens and puppies will appreciate your hard work.

So, what's the general opinion of using "Solid Steel Ingots" versus the base for Steel?

[golden nexus]

its what i started on....

[dense violet]

its 50% more steel for an extra step.

[earnest hearth]

anyone ever lost a save file

[dense violet]

if you need more steel, seems like a solid recipe

[rich current]

I highly appreciate your pun good sir!

[golden nexus]

This is my setup so far #screenshots message

[dense violet]

solid vs base is one of thoes recipes thats hard to argue against

iirc even if you dont want MORE steel, I think it costs less machines space and power using solid?

[golden nexus]

So a 240/min in will make 45beam/min and 120/min pipe

[rich current]

Less machine space, at the cost of more power used for the same job.

[golden nexus]

Its double... look at Foundry, Its 45 -> 45 vs 40 -> 60

For providing iron ingots vs iron ore

[versed cosmos]

also 60 ingots/min is exactly what a constructor making steel beams needs

[golden nexus]

Yup. Its 1:1 and 1:2 for pipe

[fading whale]

Serviceinfo.
For those of you about to take apart all your Ficsmas fun. Wait with the trees till the event is over. No tress = presents start to para-drop again.

[real shale]

Me checking my emails daily to see if my big box collection has shipped yet

[rich current]

Presents are still paradropping on my place with only the main tree and 2 others placed. What's the threshold when they stop coming from the sky?

[real shale]

10 gift trees

[soft marsh]

Where did yall elect to build your main base? Trying to decide where to put mine since I'm in my 30th rebuild stage anyway

[tall lantern]

nowhere, because I don't have one main base

[versed cosmos]

rocky desert

[golden nexus]

nomad is the winning move

[versed cosmos]

by the normal iron nodes near the coast

so much flat land there

[rich current]

It definitely helps with FPS to be a nomad.

[tall lantern]

your starter factory should probably be near iron, copper, limestone. But you shouldn't try to keep everything in one place over the whole game, expand, build elsewhere

[soft marsh]

I think ultimately I'm going to have one primary location where the hub and elevator and whatnot is, but build FOBs out in the world and route things where they need

[versed cosmos]

that's the way

[soft marsh]

I've done the nomad thing before and it gets kinda hard to track, but the megabases are also pretty tough to track

[rich current]

Where's that really deep hole just north of the graslands?

[soft marsh]

Thats where my main base/power station is currently, in that deep hole

[versed cosmos]

that's where i'm gonna store all my nuclear waste if i ever do nuclear

[soft marsh]

Its not great for my power station since I'm having to bus oil and water in but its getting me about 37k power rn

[golden nexus]

it helps thats stuff is close together until the quantum depot

only things that need ot be close together after that are things that are in the same build / have logestics

[soft marsh]

Not a bad idea. I don't think I'm going to do much with nuclear

[golden nexus]

you can reprocess it now?

[soft marsh]

Some people dont bother and just do the huge storage things lol

[versed cosmos]

yup thatll be me

[rich current]

The central Mall if you will?

[tall lantern]

kinda glad central storage isn't such a thing these days

[gritty sleet]

Yes, uranium into plutonium, plutonium into ficsonium. No waste from the final step.

[tall lantern]

now it's just a "because I want to" rather than being an important management thing

[rich current]

Plutonium fuel rods can also be sinked iirc

[gritty sleet]

Yes

[tall lantern]

yup, so you can burn the uranium and sink the plutonium

[gritty sleet]

I'm doing it in my game because I don't want to deal with plutonium waste yet.

[rich current]

Okay, Steamed Iron Ingot, with Solid Steel Ingot, seems OP af.

[golden nexus]

steamed? you mean pure?

[rich current]

Yes.

[golden nexus]

the iron part isn't much better, but the solid steel bit is

but yeah if you in area with lots of coal and no iron

[rich current]

Referencing things from memory.

Well, once logistics are set up, everything's a game of "What ratios do I want to use?" in the end.

[real shale]

is it acceptable to listen to particle accelerator noises on loop

[gritty sleet]

Yes

[rich current]

Build more of them, and the loop will be maintained.

[real shale]

i looked up and seen theres still trees in the red forest, i have to deal with that

[golden nexus]

So a nice little thing with solid steel there, was to keep the pipe side powered off to push the 120/min iron+coal to the beam side so the incoming belts can be upgraded...

[gritty sleet]

I leave as much trees intact as literally possible without clipping into stuff. Gotta retain that natural beauty, etc

[real shale]

no, destroy it all

[gritty sleet]

I don't need wood or leaves, so seems unnecessary

[real shale]

it is necessary to destroy this planet for everything it has

[tall lantern]

only for what is necessary, anything more is inefficient

[rich current]

Pave over an entire biome to build the mega-factory. All will contribute.

[real shale]

nature is slow and inefficient, i am here to accelerate climate change not prevent it

[real shale]

Exactly

my biggest annoyance in this game is i cant take down the titan forest trees

[rich current]

To be fair, I normally pave the Red Desert. It's hot AF, and dry. None of the machines will rust.

[gentle ledge]

Please help - https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1455347481406738527

[reef basin]

no reason to post in multiple channels

[strong fiber]

To be honest the train network looks wack to begin with

[gentle ledge]

And?

[rich current]

It's far easier to deal with trains when they've got the same "rules of the road" as if in real life.

More infrastructure? Yes. Less headaches, also, Yes.

[gentle ledge]

Yes, but i can't understand how to make this

[rich current]

2 lane traffic. Can be side by side, or you can stack them.

[gentle ledge]

Ok, thanks

[bold heron]

when do ficsmas ends ?

[leaden turret]

jan 18th

[rich current]

Plenty of time to tackle it.

[sullen horizon]

Man, I just got trains in my world, but I don't know exactly to use em

[rich current]

They're big, so plan accordingly for the outposts, and main base if you take that route.

Also, 2 lane traffic seems work very well

[tall lantern]

or more specifically, one-way rails. Whether that's a circular route, or said two lanes for bidirectional travel

bidirectional rails can be a pain, particularly if you ever plan to have multiple trains using that rail

[sullen horizon]

Thanks dude

[dense violet]

simple method? 2 lanes, stations off to the side

[rich current]

One really big loop requires that all train enter and exit the same way. Bi-directional works better if they're "separate" networks. Quoted as the stations will be the common points.

[dense violet]

and because of how big they are, maybe make them the basement level in factories is space is a concern

[dense violet]

better yet, no bidi train lines.
Much more efficient not doing it that way

and by efficient much higher throughput being able to easily have many trains on the same rail

[sullen horizon]

If y'all want, you could look at the post I just made in Looking for Group.
-# no pressure tho

[tall lantern]

looked, as requested

[spare bolt]

How many m tall is one segment of laddar

[dense violet]

!wikisearch ladder

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=ladder

[feral jay]

heh I never bothered to figure it out, but if I build one segment now, and then ping the ground while standing on it, I measure 3 metres

[spare bolt]

When building

I draped ladders over the edge of a 1m foundation that I lifted with a 4m foundation and I could only fit one segment before I hit the blueprint platform

Sure I play modded but most of my mods are cosmetic mods

… most of them

Namely thirdperson perspective

And a grapple mod

That is all

[feral jay]

My favorite mod is "Just Pause"

Because there is no bloody reason this game should not have a pause function

[rain wedge]

just curious (i didnt play this year's christmas event but) this year christmas and last year christmas event is almost the same right? get the green grass and build ornaments thats all?

[feral jay]

identical aside from the advent calendar art I think

It has been for a few years, putting it in was only ever really a "this is cool, and we have time for it" thing

[spare bolt]

Da green grass

[feral jay]

Personally, I'd like to see more seasonal events

Imagine the Doggos hiding Easter eggs or somwthing like that

[rain wedge]

i call it either green grass or herbs frfr (gonna say weed but kinda weird)

[spare bolt]

Is there a tazer-ammo for the rebar gun?

[feral jay]

Stun rebar, yes

[spare bolt]

Does it work against players?

[feral jay]

haha no idea

[spare bolt]

Come one come all to the first monthly tazer tag tournament :3

[rain wedge]

yes

[spare bolt]

Is there a way to change spawn points or is that something I’ll have to find through mods?

[golden nexus]

run to desired location?

[soft marsh]

Debating my logistics for this FOB. Making an aluminium products factory. Do I create the alumina solution where I can and then cart the liquid to the coal to make the scrap, then cart the scrap to the copper to make ingots >>>>> etc etc etc, or should I cart the copper and the coal to the liquid location and do it all at one point? 🤔

[spare bolt]

Can we have more than one HUB?

[soft marsh]

Negative

[tall lantern]

almost always easier to move solids than fluids

[golden nexus]

no

[spare bolt]

Back to my main question then

[primal obsidian]

finished the game not that much to do i guess i should attempt decorating for the first time on some of these builds

[soft marsh]

spawn point will always be wherever the hub is built

you can change it based on the hub.

[spare bolt]

Mods it is then

[soft marsh]

delete the hub and move it if you'd liek to change the point

[rain wedge]

put ur stuff in drone to the liquid location 🤓 or put the liquid in canister and fly to ur solid crafting place

[spare bolt]

I’m trying to make two spawn points that are player-bound

[soft marsh]

The coal is nearby, but the copper is about 1000m. Probably just make a small rail line

[primal obsidian]

coal to alumina then either or for the copper

[spare bolt]

So I can make a team-based tazer tag arena

[primal obsidian]

transporting liquids is annoyinh

[rain wedge]

conveyor > rail (if u have the fastest one)

[spare bolt]

Packager?

[soft marsh]

I dont have much problem. I transport 4800 oil and water for my power plant atm

[rain wedge]

???????

[spare bolt]

T6 conveyor beats rail in speed, not so much in cost

[rain wedge]

rmb load/unload/break at checkpoint's speed

[soft marsh]

??? 2 cars of each. Goes to my power plant where its then used. Used to use it for turbofuel but since I went to rocket fuel and I can probably cut it to one car each

[dense violet]

huh? how?

[primal obsidian]

not even since most of the time just 1 freight platform and car is more then 1 belt

[golden nexus]

Nope

[soft marsh]

deforesting for my train line, this one lush location now a barren waste

[rain wedge]

ouh okok but still kinda slow tbh

[dense violet]

work around the trees instead 😛

[soft marsh]

My biggest issue with trains is trying to work around terrain so usually I'll either cut a path through or go above lol

[dense violet]

#design-and-architecture message

[rain wedge]

my forest u can see random T6 conveyor like japan's highway

[trim sundial]

Do you need to keep emptying the heavy oil from refinerys for it to keep processing the other materials?

[dense violet]

process it to something else and sink it

[soft marsh]

Yeahhh I'm not talented or patient enough to do that lmao

[dense violet]

it's not hard, just lay down a full path of foundations first around terrain

[trim sundial]

Ohh good idea, waste not want not

[dense violet]

it's the first byproduct lesson you get in the game

[rain wedge]

to petro coke > and trash them into the (i forgot the name but it gives ticket when u insert stuff)

[placid comet]

Finally hit phase 4 and I'm working to unlock nuclear. Is there anything important I should know?

Or rather I'm working on phase 4

[tall lantern]

nuclear waste can't be sunk, so you'll want to decide how you want to go - do you want to store waste, or process it further to go wasteless?

[rain wedge]

place u nuclear plant far away from ur main base

[golden nexus]

first time doing nuclear, i suggest you bit of a reasonable amount rather than "I am going to use all the uranium on the map"

[cunning glade]

okay lowkey hmf are easy

[rain wedge]

it can be on late phase

[tall lantern]

false

[old grail]

what tier unlocks coal power im getting a little tired of ripping the environment apart

[tall lantern]

as I said, you can process it (into something sinkable), but you can't sink it as-is

[golden nexus]

Phase 2

[rain wedge]

o wait nvm i read it wrong 🤣

[golden nexus]

So after you complete the smart plating

[placid comet]

Tier 3

[rain wedge]

just prepare a 30 x 30 x 30 (large storage) to store those waste if u havent unlock pluto rod yet

[old grail]

im gonna be ripping up plants for a while

[golden nexus]

Why?

[old grail]

last save i played it took me a long while to get to smart plating

[golden nexus]

Its only 50 smart plate...

[old grail]

phase 2?

i remember it needing like 1,000

[golden nexus]

Yes, After Phase one is Phase 2 which is where you get coal power

[old grail]

theres two phase 2s

[rain wedge]

b4 1.0 i think?

[rich current]

Am doing the last phase of the Fiscmas event the slowest way possible lol

[golden nexus]

no

[tall lantern]

don't confuse completing phase 2 with starting phase 2

[old grail]

i cant put a screenshot but theres two phase 2 buttons in the milestones

[tall lantern]

doing the 50 smart plating for phase 1 completes phase 1, unlocking phase 2

[golden nexus]

You confusing Tier 2 with Phase 2?

[old grail]

no

[golden nexus]

put a screenshot

In #screenshots

[rain wedge]

#screenshots message last year's pic 🙏

[golden nexus]

Yeah your Phase 0... Build the space elevator

[old grail]

thats what im working on

I restarted my game

[golden nexus]

Phase 1 -> Make 50 smart plate -> You gain access to Tier 3 which is where coal is

[tall lantern]

nah they are phase 1, they just haven't completed it yet

[golden nexus]

Just complete all of T1 and T2 first

[tall lantern]

if you're questioning the padlock icons, they're telling you that those tiers are locked behind completing phase 1, phase 2 etc

[golden nexus]

So When you complete Phase 1, You get access to Tier 3+4. You don't actually need to do all of Tier 1, 2. (you need parts eg assembler)

[tall lantern]

I wonder what the minimum unlocks are to complete P5

or if you still, eventually, need everything

[rain wedge]

idm if it cost 50k slugs

[real shale]

i hate dealing with aluminium math

[gloomy tusk]

should i build a steel factory far away from my main base so i don't use the coal that i use to power my base

[rich current]

Outposts work

[tall lantern]

if that's where the resources are, then sure

[old grail]

would it be good to go for solid biofuel next before anything else? Just to make power easier

[golden nexus]

Chainsaw is the way

Also mini power plant

[rain wedge]

powershards i mean 🤣

[gloomy tusk]

also there is a rock ontop of coal node how do i remove it apart from explosives is there any way

[gloomy tusk]

get to coal

[tall lantern]

nope, explosives

[old grail]

ive got trees everywhere and the lorax pissed me off

[rain wedge]

nuke em

[gloomy tusk]

what did i do

[old grail]

I didnt even notice your name 😭

[gloomy tusk]

oh i thought you were talking about me

my bad

[golden nexus]

This pushed me though to phase 2 no problem #screenshots message

[old grail]

ill try and remake that

i had one like it on my old save but it was a mess

[real shale]

man, i just had a stinger land right beside me and i swear i didnt hear its jumping animation at all.... that was a severe heart attack moment

[old grail]

my last save i was too focused on trying to get my factory to look like the people on tiktok with giant organized factories and i ran out of recources and frustrated myself

[old grail]

i hate them so much

[golden nexus]

build a starter first, function before form

[gloomy tusk]

i just love how optimized satisfactory is

[old grail]

i cant turn on arachnaphobia mode though i cant kill a cat

[real shale]

this is why i want to burn the red forest down and everything in it

[rain wedge]

when u have nuke nade = nuke the whole forest 🤓

[gloomy tusk]

just play the game get good enough to know exactly what to do and then try and make it organized

thats what im doing

[placid comet]

Huh, are there really no pure uranium nodes?

[rich current]

This is the reason for Tier 3 Miners.

[golden nexus]

Finally got the sloop / duplicator, 53 tickets from dead things 🙂

[rich current]

As I don't have power for days yet, I am taking the most painful route of completing the Fiscit Holiday... 5 Trees only.

[old grail]

theres a glitch thing with ADA's voiceline lol

"cood be"

[rich current]

Spoilers!! There's more than a few,

[feral jay]

ADA is a glitch...

[placid comet]

Seems like the best place to get Bauxite from my location is the swamp. Or at least I think that's what it is. Wetland area south of the desert. I've heard scary things about this place

[old grail]

i literally just shoved 500 leaves into each of my biofuel burners and im already out of power

[golden nexus]

LEaves are terrible, Shove leaves in a constructor to make biomass and then shove the biomass in the biomass burner

[dense violet]

yeah leaves suck. Turn them to biofuel then solid biofuel

[rich current]

If you've got the Solid Biofuel unlocked, use that.

[feral jay]

Yes, the swamp is the best place. You should totally go to the swamp. There is totally nothing or freaky in the swamp. It will totally be a serene and relaxing experience. Totally.

[golden nexus]

Better yet, Shove wood into a constructor to make biomass

[old grail]

i just got solid biofuel but i need even more leaves so that i can start my constructors and make it

[rich current]

All the aliens can become biomass after research in the MAM too.

[golden nexus]

Yeah switch it nearly instantly... wood makes it at like 300/min

[tall lantern]

crafting benches exist

[feral jay]

And you can build a crafting bench anywhere

[placid comet]

*hand on shoulder" Leaves are awful

[golden nexus]

You do wood -> biomass powered by HUB with leaves and it will instantly produce enough biomass to switch the leaves out

[feral jay]

reintroduces colour cartidges

[old grail]

i forgot you can make biomass in crafting benches

[rich current]

We do not speak of those!

[feral jay]

Just came back with a nice haul of sloops and spheres from a hobbit adventure

[tired cypress]

And 800 Stinger Remains?

[feral jay]

Something like that, yeah

[pure snow]

You can skip straight to alien power augmented if you hate ig that much

[feral jay]

I just automated homing ammo, so it was game on

[pure snow]

What do you need for homing ammo

[feral jay]

rifle ammo and high-speed connectors

[pure snow]

It’s so much better than regular ammo

Ngl I might do the same

[feral jay]

Against large targets like nuke hogs and gas spiders, it's marginal at best, but fighting an army of little spittersd or spiders, it's the shiznit

[old grail]

bunnyhopping feels so whimsical

[cunning glade]

Chat help I can't hear ada

Ig I should restart too see if that fixes it but

[rich current]

Check audio settings first.

[sullen gull]

It's sliding around under conveyors and belts that I love

[feral jay]

That's a good thing, ada is brainwashing you anyway

[cunning glade]

Dialogue is at 100

[cunning glade]

No Ada is the best

Prolly the best part of the game

[feral jay]

Yeah I'd ask the basic "have you tried turning it off and on again" question

Quit the game and reload/restart

[rich current]

Then I would check your computer's settings, then rebooting as suggested.

[feral jay]

The game does have a few glitches like that, like just today I suddenly couldn't cycle between hand objects with the mouse wheel

Which sucked ASS as I was fighting a hog army at the time

[placid comet]

Ok screw this swamp

I'm building here but screw this swamp

[feral jay]

I don't hate to say I told you so, so... I told you so

[cunning glade]

Yeah I send my friend too the swamp if we need anything

[tame bobcat]

yo on railways do yall use path or block signals

[old grail]

I got the chainsawwww the lorax is gonna be a statistic

[cunning glade]

Both