satisfactory

[ancient plinth]

if so where should the poles be

[real shale]

It doesn't connect power, it only connects belts, railways and pipes iirc

[silent heron]

That bottom one could be a lot more compact, imma yonk it

Wait a minute, how does water get to the last two?

Nvm

My mind is a soup

Couldn't this set up be expanded to 13 coal generators if you added 2 more water pumps in the line, both pipes would carry 300 water a min

[feral jay]

Just got Satisfactory for my nephew for xmas

[paper pulsar]

can anybody tell me why my chainsaw isnt working

[tiny sigil]

is it fueled

[feral jay]

You're out of gas

[paper pulsar]

how do i get gas?

[proper hound]

did you fuel it with rolled hay?

[tiny sigil]

solid biofuel

[lapis shadow]

Hey I just started playing and I had watched some tip videos saying it's a good idea to place everything in snap mode so it will all line up nicely, even if structures are far apart. This sounds like a good idea but I forgot so I had to deconstruct my hub and now upon trying to replace it with snap mode it doesn't seem to snap anywhere? Nor do I see any grid showing? I did notice that snap mode seems to work when I'm already looking at a placed structure. So does snap mode rely on me already having things placed? I'm confused

[feral jay]

Runs on solid biofuel

[paper pulsar]

thanks

[tiny sigil]

i think you need to snap foundations to the world grid and then buildings on foundations

[proper hound]

global grid is for foundations. build foundations, then snap hub to it.
Or ignore global grid and build freehand.

[feral jay]

Basically, there's a "world grid" which everything can line up to, but it doesn't show up visually when ou're snapping to it with CTRL

You just have to trust that things will eventually line up

[lapis shadow]

Ahh makes sense, do I have to unlock foundations later? I'm literally in the first hour of playing so I don't know if I can make those. I don't see their recipe at least

[feral jay]

ohhh, yes, foundations change everything

Unocked in tier 2 I think?

!wikisearch foundations

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=foundations

[lapis shadow]

Uhhh so tiers are different than the hub upgrades I'm assuming? I'm on hub level 5 but I don't see any awesome shop or anything to buy foundations

[feral jay]

Sounds like you're still on tier zero

[proper hound]

Yep, need to unlock them.
Don't sweat for now, the nature of the game is, you can demolish and pack everything into your pocket, then build it sligthly farther north. There is no material loss when disasembling.

[feral jay]

Yes the game is very forgiving of mistakes

Even a fall from an infinite height cannot kill you, if you're at full health

[proper hound]

You are on tier 0, you get actual progression once you finish the hub 😉

also mandatory New Player Advice

- Hold alt and scroll to switch hotbars.
- You can't hotkey weapons or equipment, but later on you will unlock extra hand slots to quickswap weapons.
- Tap space bar for autocrafting at workbench
- Do not hand-mine uranium. It kills.
- We do not go to Red Forest at night. Or ever... if we can help it.
- Concrete and Dynamite solve 90% of problems. The rest of them requires Math.
*Math is Magic*
and you are on a path to becoming a Wizard.```

[feral jay]

hahaha I hand mine uranium before I get the rad suit sometimes

iz... fun

[proper hound]

for first fifteen seconds

[feral jay]

It's a hand-eye thing, how quickly can I mine it and trash it

[lapis shadow]

ahhh okay. I was concerned about making my base on the proper grid system from the very start to ensure I don't have to destroy it all later but guess that's gonna happen a lot

[feral jay]

You'll probably want to redesign everything once you unlock foundations

[proper hound]

there is no requirement to disasemble your old base, you can always move hub to new spot.

[feral jay]

And resources are infinite (assuming inifinte time), so just build new and don't worry about dismantling stuff

[proper hound]

oh, and dont start with mods until you got coal power setup. after that, feel free to ask for annoyance removals/qol improvements.

[feral jay]

With the exception of Just Pause, cuz all games should have a pause function

[proper hound]

Only thing you do not want to waste are the awesome tickets, because the cost to generate next one grows exponentially. so use them for unlocks, but not for buying cxonsumables or parts.

[feral jay]

||correction: sink a single ticket||

[proper hound]

||Hush, thats a secret!||

[spare cradle]

I'm personally slowly doing that as I make foundations for buildings.

[spare cradle]

Do get the mug though. It's worth it.

[nova ridge]

Did i do something wrong? I mine 120 iron ore per min. i made 4 smelters which convert them into 30 iron ingot per minx4 -> storage bin -> mk2 belts -> 8 assemblers for iron rods which make at 15/min. -> storage. but my 8th assembler belt is barely moving cuz of backlog?

[spare cradle]

Does it have things on it?

[nova ridge]

yeah

[spare cradle]

Full belt?

[nova ridge]

maybe its moving at 15/min hm

[teal geyser]

Assemblers = Constructors?

[nova ridge]

its a full belt

[spare cradle]

Check how fast that single one is going

[nova ridge]

how

[feral jay]

It would help if you could provide a link to an online tool that shows the production plan

[spare cradle]

It probably isn't going fast enough to consume the input so it has backlog.

[teal geyser]

Should still have 120 ingots being inserted into the manifold. Is there a mk1 belt hiding somewhere?

[nova ridge]

uh im not at any kind of planning stage. still phase 1

[spare cradle]

That isn't the problem

It's the machine taking the input.

[nova ridge]

the inputs are mk2/1 because its 1 full mk2 belt splitting into 8 mk1 belts

[feral jay]

I mean like https://satisfactory-calculator.com or https://satisfactorytools.com

[nova ridge]

output are all mk2

[spare cradle]

Put a power shard into the bad boi and it'll fix that problem

[teal geyser]

Shouldn't need to

[nova ridge]

my question is my output belt seems to be backloggin

[teal geyser]

The rods coming out?

[nova ridge]

my assembler number 7/8 are almost 100 rods in the assembler

[spare cradle]

What are they going into?

[nova ridge]

a series of mergers

[spare cradle]

There it is

[nova ridge]

?

[feral jay]

Trace it back - if the output belt is backlogging, then the machine that feeds it must be backlogging. Figure out why that machine is backlogging.

[teal geyser]

Maybe split up the outputs so they can drain

[nova ridge]

8 assemblers should make 120 rods per min right?

[spare cradle]

Think of a funnel with a bucket pouring into it.

[teal geyser]

Have 2 sets of 4 constructors merged together on the output side instead of all 8

[spare cradle]

One with a small outlet will get full very quickly.

[feral jay]

With the classic recipe, yes

[nova ridge]

any place i can screenshot to show what i have?

[feral jay]

Correction, 8 constructors

[spare cradle]

[feral jay]

#screenshots

[nova ridge]

#screenshots message

[spare cradle]

... Yeah change the mergers

More channels

[nova ridge]

i noticed with splitters i couldnt just chain spliterss. it would have to be 1 -> 3 -> 9 . instead just 1 -> 1> 1> 1

is it the same with mergers?

[feral jay]

I don't understand the question. A splitter simply splits the input belt into 3 equal output belts.

Well or as many output belts as you have connected to it

[nova ridge]

yeah so if i chained splitters i noticed that it wouldnt split it equally

like 1 connected to another with 1 belt leaving along the line

[feral jay]

It should

[spare cradle]

Are the other 2 outputs connected?

[feral jay]

A splitter is a mathematically simple device, it will equally split among output belts sequentially

And won't care about what's on the belts

A few overhead shots in #screenshots would help

[nova ridge]

k i posted it

i noticed these two behaved differently. they both output 4 belts

but its because its half of a half of a half belt right?

[fierce granite]

manifold style works splitting 1/2 down the line 1/2 to the machine, till the machine fills up, then only what the machine needs gets fed to the machine

[feral jay]

Yeah you've got a bunch of 1:2 splitters there, because each splitter only has 2 output belts

[nova ridge]

ok. so is the reverse true for mergers?

[spare cradle]

They are vice versas, yes.

[feral jay]

yes

[nova ridge]

if i have 8 belts to merg is it better to merge them in that tirangle formation

oh ok. i thought since its merging it would be fine to connect them in a line

[spare cradle]

I would not merge 8 into one unless what goes on them doesn't produce quickly.

It's like your attaching a small funnel on the end of your machine. Some product will stay in the system and not to where it needs to go bc there's more product flowing than is being able to go.

[nova ridge]

but visually it looks like its af ull belt on this mk2 at the end

is there a way to see how many items are moving on the belt per min

[gritty sleet]

I'm trying to decide how to route a train that'll carry uranium. This is my first train for uranium, so I've got nothing to compare it to. How big is the radiation "bubble" of a train car full of uranium?

[feral jay]

In programmer vernacular, merger logic is foreach step: if (item on input belt 1) then take item from belt 1; if (item on belt 2) then take item from belt 2; if (item on belt 3) then take item on belt 3; goto start

[gritty sleet]

I could use a shorter route past one of my existing factories, or send it on a longer route that avoids "populated" areas.

[nova ridge]

is there a item counter?tracker?

[spare cradle]

I think not.

[feral jay]

Yeah there's a belt counter that you can unlock at some point

[spare cradle]

Oh lol

[feral jay]

I use belt counters everywhere now

[nova ridge]

k i wont worry about it for now. im at coal power and i doubt i can sustain all these buildings if im building 8 rod constructors

[gritty sleet]

I've heavily used belt counters for my nuclear fuel, since I'm evenly-splitting everything radioactive rather than manifolding it like I usually do.

[tiny delta]

is there a way to automatically apply customizations to all objects everywhere or do i need to run around doing powerwash sim to coat everything in a color i want

[nova ridge]

im already consuming 400mw of my 900w. not including burning biofuel

[gritty sleet]

Edit the default color preset

[feral jay]

LOL I basically do the powerwash sim method but I'm pretty sure there's better ways

[tiny delta]

if i do this would i need to paint everything i've already done back to default

[feral jay]

You can use swatches, but if you change the swatches, then every building you previously used that swatch with changes

[gritty sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-know-idk-idk-about-that-gif-7336250873949261946

[feral jay]

But my entire world is Ficsit® Orange, so I'm not the guy to ask about paint

[proper hound]

Did you wait for machine inputs to fill up to 100 pieces before starting them? Otherwise, if you connected them in manifold style, it will take a few mins for last one to catch up.

[nova ridge]

what is confusing to me is why the last 2 of the 8 furthest from the storage were building up products. like they have 100+ products in them

[lapis shadow]

What tier upgrades should I be going for first? I literally just upgraded my hub to 6 and now I was looking at the chainsaw tier so I can better fuel my biomass thingies

[tiny delta]

yeah im gonna need to revert all of my platforms back to the default swatch but thanks, that'll save me a greater deal of headaches

[nova ridge]

but now they are staying stuck at 116. it'll tick to 117 then back to 116 so i guess its fine now

[proper hound]

sounds like you are not picking the ourput fast enough - too slow belt upstream?

[tiny delta]

luckily i think i can make the swatch i did use a really bright obnoxious color so if i see it i'll know to Ficsit™

[nova ridge]

all mk2. and it shoudl output 120/min

[spare cradle]

I got the iron wire thing

[feral jay]

Then the output belts are full, that's the only reason a machine will hold on to items and not spit them onto the belts — unless the belts aren't actually connected but just look like they are

[feral jay]

Iron wire is great for eliminating copper as a resource requirement

[nova ridge]

i thoguht so but it wouldnt make sense that number 7/8 are now at 116/17 then back to 116.

maybe took a sec to load up all the belts?

[feral jay]

The belts are full or not connected; there can be no other reason

All machines will always output everything they can to the maximum capacity of the connected belt

[nova ridge]

illl check back in 10 min to se ehow it works. ultimately i might empty to buildings and try them again

[feral jay]

Yeah sometimes just emptying machines/fluishing pipes and then just watching things can help troubleshoot stuff

#screenshots message that's what I finished before the xmas dinner preparations

The refineries power the generator plant first, then fill the reserve, and finally, sink the excess

If I power off the refineries to troubleshoot the power grid, I have 40 minutes before I run out of gas

...at least theoretically

[spare cradle]

And its quite far from my hub as well

Is nice and am retrofitting my current systems for it

[feral jay]

It uses a lot of iron, but iron is the most abundant resource after limestone I think

[sullen gull]

I believe Iron is THE most abundant. Then limestone.

[real shale]

I can't stop thinking about the factory

[feral jay]

The factory must grow

[placid comet]

Am I missing something? I'm looking at the Crystal Computer alt recipe and it looks awful

[feral jay]

I've used it for a supercomputer factory before, but I can't recall why

[placid comet]

Crystal Oscillators are an entire process to make as is, whereas plastic and cable are easy

[haughty patio]

Is there a trick for removing a wrong item from a conveyor belt? my constructors are stuck

[feral jay]

I'm thinking it eliminated a resource from the mix

[feral jay]

Delete and rebuild the belt

[placid comet]

^

[feral jay]

There really should be a UI option for "remove all items from belt"

[haughty patio]

I really wish there was a different way to do that

now they'll be separete from the blueprint

[feral jay]

Yup that's annoying

THere should also be an option for "make all connected items part of this blueprint"

Which would theoreticalloy be a pretty simple change, programatically

So that way if you upgraded belts, you'd still delete them later if you did a delete blueprint

[placid comet]

If anything it added iron and quartz. All you'd need to make computers ordinarily are copper and plastic

[feral jay]

My memory's a bit hazy about that save. It could have also been because it was pretty easy to upgrade my existing oscillator factory

I mean alt recipes in general are very situational aside from a few S tier recipes

[real shale]

I used crystal computers and silicon circuit boards to make my radio control unit factory

[placid comet]

Is there a strength to them I'm missing?

[feral jay]

You can make them in assemblers instead of manufacturers, which greatly simplifies belt layouts

[real shale]

Smaller footprint for one, you don't need manufacturers for crystal computers, only assemblers.

That and honestly it made radio control units a lot more simpler logistically for me at the time to just get at least something automated for them

[placid comet]

Not necessarily. You still need manufacturers to make Oscillators

Unless there's an alt recipe I don't know about

[feral jay]

There are hundreds

[real shale]

Yeah but you don't for computers, which require manufacturers too

So if you are making RCUs for example, you don't need three sets of manufacturers for it

[placid comet]

So I guess the only difference is layout flexibility

[real shale]

That and logistics simplicity in some instances as striek said

Alt recipes are very situational and deciding which one is best is a very subjective question that doesn't have any clear cut answer

[feral jay]

Except for cast screws, which is just freakin' awesome

That recipe simply.. eliminates a whole step

[nova ridge]

is there any problem if i place buildings when its highlighted yellow instead of green?

[white dawn]

Prevents you from using Iron Rod alts, though! :D By some measures, using Steel Rods is more resource-efficient

[feral jay]

No, that's just a "clipping may occur" warning, which is very loosely defined, they haven't worked the bugs out of that waqrning in a long time now

Everything will still function

[nova ridge]

ok that makes it easier

i was trying to build belts over pipes and it was annoy ing me

#screenshots message

[feral jay]

I religiously avoid clipping, but not for cosmetic reasons, it becomes important when troubleshooting stuff to see what's on belts and whatnot

[haughty patio]

I was about to go insane. There was a splitter for the input ore that did not connect to the next one in the manifold, but to the output merger next to it

And that caused one factory to completelly stall

[feral jay]

When in doubt, delete the belt

haha that kinda rhymes

[haughty patio]

That belt was all the way back in my pure iron ingot factory

[feral jay]

SOmetimes deleting a belt will reveal to you that the belt isn't connected to a machine or a splitter or another belt, but rather to a belt pole that you didn't delete

Or the odd time, the game just fucks up and doesn't connect something internally

[haughty patio]

It was fairly obvious, but I had no idea where it happened

[feral jay]

Everything is obvious, if you divided it all into small jobs

Henry Ford may have been a despicable racist, but he was right about that

[haughty patio]

Next thing I'm going insane over

[teal geyser]

Same goes for big builds in this game. If you cut it down to small sections like ||blueprints||, it becomes easier to piece together and not get overwhelmed

[haughty patio]

no heavy oil residue alternative recipe after 15 harddrives

I wanna build the improved version of my fuel factory already

[teal geyser]

Going out on a limb here, but do you have oil processing/refining unlocked so it can spawn? I'm assuming you already do

[haughty patio]

Yeah, already have a fuel factory

[teal geyser]

Could be just bad RNG

[haughty patio]

sounds about right

I still have 4 drives left

and if it doesn't spawn I'll edit the damn savefile lol

Praised be RNGesus

[teal geyser]

PRAISE BE TO SPACE KING ADA!!!!

[teal geyser]

Could be

[merry current]

I have an odd problem I just discovered. When I attempt to drive any vehicle (I hadn't given it a shot until now) I can enter the vehicle but can't make it go. Default keybindings in effect, W should make me accelerate but nada.

ahh, dumb of me

[placid comet]

Ok I built the alien power augmenter. What exactly does it do?

[merry current]

I am used to Plant Crafter vehicles that didn't require gas 🙂

[placid comet]

Thats it? Seems rather unimpressive

[haughty patio]

10% of 100GW is 10Gw

[lusty island]

If you build out 200GW, you get an extra free 20GW. So it makes a big difference when you start to scale.

[haughty patio]

and each one adds another 10%

Are you sure that's how the calculation goes?

1.1 * 1.1 is not 1.2

[placid comet]

Ah I can see that. I only had 5500 power, so it's hard to see the real benefits of a 10% boost

[lusty island]

yeah, not worth using up all those sloops on it until y ou've scaled your power.

[sick falcon]

do mycelia and trees and bushes regrow

or is this a world where coal is renewable and plants arent

[haughty patio]

Yep, the real renewables are the toxic ones

[coral marsh]

Would it be better to have 2 converters in a blueprint or 4 (i need 22.5 total so I may go for 24 and turn the last 2 into packaged ionized fuel), ill be making the blueprint later, but knowing if I need 12 blueprints or 6 blueprints for my project would help for efficiency

[lusty island]

Build 22 and then shard the last one.

[coral marsh]

Im in the final stage of the game, I got everything

[coral marsh]

Thanks

[lusty island]

Also, not sure what you mean about blueprints and efficiency.....

[coral marsh]

Design basically, I found out that putting 4 blenders in a mk2 blueprint was messy af but in a mk3 I have a lot more room

[lusty island]

Really depends on the "look" you're going for and how much manual effort you want to avoid.

[coral marsh]

Check out #math-and-meta and you'll see my project, 600 fuel gens at 250% each

[lusty island]

I tend to use mk.3 blueprints to build "modules"... fully encompassed mini-buildings that just require power, inputs and outputs, and everything else is already done inside. then, i just stack 'em until i have enough, and then figure out the inputs & outputs.

ie, i have modules with 20 constructors, 1 input and 1 output

[coral marsh]

I do too for ingots

[lusty island]

i've stacked say 10 of them to get a skyscraper with 200 constructors

[potent ledge]

i just unlocked architecture things as pillars and pathways, thinking of rebuilding my base that i just started it getting electricity with coal, should i just rebuild everything?

[lusty island]

I'd build fresh, with the look you want, and then move from the old to the new, and then destroy the old.

then you don't interrupt producction during your build

[cunning glade]

Cubes for pasta need hmf?

[ocean frost]

They do when the devs pushed an update that respawns all of the flora

[coral marsh]

Fused modular frames so yea by extension yes hmf

[lusty island]

HMF -> Fused frames -> pressure conversion cubes -> pasta

[cunning glade]

Can't u fully aluminum them?

Fused?

[ocean frost]

What

[lusty island]

there's a heat fused frame that uses aluminum, but they still also require HMF

[cunning glade]

I was told I can make fused frames from just aluminum

Noted I will be making way more hmf then

Last time I made I think like 15 something so I could do 6 full machines

I'm gonna need like 20-25 then

Wonder if I can unlock mk3 miners before I make my hmf factory

Ah need belts which means aluminum that's gonna be a while then so no

Hmm

[ocean frost]

You need iron plates, rubber and pipes

Or *

Many items can be replaced with aluminum, screws, steel beams, screws

Rods

[calm pond]

Question I’m having trouble connecting to epic games on Xbox is there a way to fix this I tried resetting the game, deleting the game, and restarting the Xbox but nothing works does anyone know how to fix this

[cunning glade]

Main issue is whatever belts use aluminum too

Once I get my rubber factory going I'm gonna just hand feed the rubber and stuff for phase 3

[teal geyser]

Mk5

[ocean frost]

You only really need iron and some concrete to make HMF

[cunning glade]

We will see what happens

Yeah last time I did 5600 ingots a min I might scale that up

[ocean frost]

Encased frames are the best option for 95% of people

[potent ledge]

1 water extractor feeds how much coal generators?

[cunning glade]

Pretty sure that's what I used last time

[ocean frost]

180/45

We have lots of iron

So it's never that bad imo

[haughty patio]

More than anything thankfully

[coral marsh]

Use the rubber HMF recipe

[cunning glade]

I may

I will be making some odd prolly 3000 a min

[haughty patio]

#screenshots message It do be like that sometimes

[coral marsh]

Nah thats a fuck ton of HMF per min lol. Im making 5/min atm and the build is massive (though the same line does make versatile heavy framework at the same time), its on a full 16x9 area

[cunning glade]

I'm talking rubber

[coral marsh]

Oh ofc, lol My b

[cunning glade]

For hmf prolly like 20 or 25 maybe

[coral marsh]

Totally fair

[cunning glade]

I'm making 10 pasta a min is the goal

[coral marsh]

I'd love to see it when its done. Need to do that myself

[cunning glade]

Wait could I aim for 20

[teal geyser]

3000 HMF/min sounded a little insane lol

Just the way you worded it

[haughty patio]

Does the world have that many resources?

[teal geyser]

I'm going to check SCIM

[coral marsh]

Yes and no, there's 2100 max uranium and I think 17 thousand max bauxite

In tier 9 you gain the ability to make other ores from different materials thougu

[cunning glade]

Hmmmm

So I could do 20 cubes but it would use 10k copper

I did see an aluminum and cooper powder factory

[coral marsh]

ImKibitz is actually a good channel follow for insane mega builds

[cunning glade]

Ye ik

My main issue is it uses a lot of aluminum

Atleast tools does automatically select fused so I could ignore that

[ocean frost]

Those builds are quite impressive

[teal geyser]

Apparently, with no alternates selected, 3000 HMF/min would take 720k Iron Ore/min, 270k Coal/min and 270k Limestone/min

Dats a lot

[ocean frost]

Use the encased recipe

[teal geyser]

SCIM took quite a bit of time to process that lol

[teal geyser]

Ok

[ocean frost]

There is some optimisation we can do if we want to

[teal geyser]

Heavy Encased Frame recipe for 3000 HMF/min would cut things down to 366k Iron Ore/min, 174k Coal/min and 246k Limestone/min

[cunning glade]

Why does shit always need oil

[teal geyser]

It would blow up your PC lol

[teal geyser]

Which stuff?

[coral marsh]

600 T6 belts for iron and 225 T6 belts for the coal and limestone

[ocean frost]

The only pipes that work

[gloomy tusk]

guys

i moved my base to coal and a pond

was that smart?

[ocean frost]

Build your base wherever you think looks nice

[coral bough]

I got coal😔

[teal geyser]

I audition for the part of "Ultimate Doomer"

"NO! EVERYTHING YOU JUST MENTIONED IS WRONG SOMEHOW!" (This is for jokes)

Its a sandbox game. Everyone is free to play as they seem fit

[cunning glade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=g3Besqsz616oKb8lNDjY got it too not

It kept needing oil even when I gave it a lot of plastic and rubber

Gonna need too up my aluminum production

Idk if 5600 will be enough

40 nuclear accelerators tho

[teal geyser]

Yep lol

[cunning glade]

Wonder if I just overclock instead

65gw tho

I hope I get too make more rocket fuel this time at blue Crater

[zealous urchin]

Maxeekology

[ocean frost]

Why don't you just change the recipes manually

[cunning glade]

Wym

[ocean frost]

I use modeler on steam to make my recipes I'm sure you can do the same on tools, you can always summon cobalt or greeny to fix it for you

[cunning glade]

Fix what tho I think it's fine now🧍

I mean could probs make it better

I don't understand modeler

Like why use it I use tools just for the math but it doesn't do math for u

[coral bough]

You incapable of basic math?

[cunning glade]

This is basic math?

[ocean frost]

Tools have greeny and cobalt as tech support so it is a plus

[cunning glade]

I mean it's probably easy math sure

[teal geyser]

🤪 🍿

[ocean frost]

It does math you just put in how much you want or have

[cunning glade]

Idk if that recipe is basic math but I also want everything working at 100% efficiency so

[cunning glade]

It does math for u?

[coral bough]

Just some basic math

[ocean frost]

Yea

[cunning glade]

How do I do that

[ocean frost]

Just look at any of my posts about it

You need to enter how much you want to make and it will calculate the production chain

[cunning glade]

I see does it too packaged fuel?

Tools doesn't

[ocean frost]

It has a different learning curve but if you spend the 15 minutes to learn how to use it it does everything tools does just a little differently

It does packaged fuel

[cunning glade]

Okay I'll try it out again

See from what I understood it didn't do the math

[ocean frost]

They are basically the same tool with different ui

[cunning glade]

So tools for the math and in game for the modelling

[coral marsh]

The game does not like it when you zoop down over 1500 platforms 🤣🤣

[cunning glade]

Cuz tbh thats the best modeller

[ocean frost]

Try it out and see if it works for you

[coral bough]

Should I take the iron wire and cast screws?

[ocean frost]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558721941410807812/1454298541743800480/image.png?ex=6950948f&is=694f430f&hm=df76de3c5cb5d100bd5a58e7fec2c4d7ec6b530f1ffa8109e4c25ea99ac16635&

I posted this earlier

[cunning glade]

U should take every alt

[cunning glade]

U get enough drives for every alt in the game

[ocean frost]

Wait till you need one or the other

[coral bough]

Ima use a few more hard drives till I got stitched iron plates as well

[cunning glade]

Tho I see ur question now and cast earlier tbh then wire

[coral bough]

I got cast screws and iron wire in 2 different harddrives

[cunning glade]

Good plan go look for more well they research bring a mam with u and keep researching them well u look

Good plan early

[coral bough]

Alright

Ima get some of my factory working before I do that

[cunning glade]

Tf?

[coral bough]

Its not a waste if I got stitched iron plates as well

[cunning glade]

A. It's not a waste b. It's amazing for phase 2

[coral bough]

Im on phase 1 rn😭

[cunning glade]

My recommendation get all the alts u can before u complete phase 2

[haughty patio]

solid steel my beloved

[cunning glade]

Meh

It's not a waste when u can get another so easily

U should have the mam not allowing u too get alts whenever u can especially before a phase

[reef basin]

Up to you

[cunning glade]

Whatever it says

[cunning glade]

Hey greeny could I improve on this using less aluminum or any other way

So I have especially early game

Both are fire

[coral bough]

I heard a guy say if you got hard drives in the thing and haven't taken anything you wont get the same recipes in another one

[cunning glade]

Correct

[reef basin]

Yeah, though I'd personally just get one of the two recipes and get another drive

[cunning glade]

Why get inv space just mam

[haughty patio]

If you reroll and both recipes are bad, just leave them and you won't waste another hard drive for it

[cunning glade]

They do basically

Rushing is no fun

[coral bough]

Which side of the caterium tree allows you to scan for hard drives?

[cunning glade]

It's quartz I think

[coral bough]

Ahhh

Alright

[cunning glade]

Very bottom second one on the left

[west pilot]

new player, wanted some opinions, I primairly play this game with my friend, should I also play solo along side, or will I burn out really fast 😭

[cunning glade]

Why play a second one

Just work on the one with the friend

Unless u don't wanna make progress without them

[west pilot]

Idk I just really like the game, probably too much, but yeah I don't want to make progress without them and I'm having a crisis on this decision lmfao

[cunning glade]

Then do it

[west pilot]

alright ty crisis adverted

[cunning glade]

Worst case u do get burnt out and only play the one with the friend

Likely u won't

Take a week or 2 break or something if u do I'm sure the friend would understand

My friend had too take a break cuz college stuff so I started another world well I'm waiting for them too be real

God there's so much I wanna do

[west pilot]

I do this by natrual

pink is life <3

[cunning glade]

I think goal is 20 cubes a min

Tho 10 more

Wouldn't hurt and if I sloop thats a full mk1 belt

Hmm

Surely that's unreasonable

[coral marsh]

My best swatch is a lovely pink/teal

[cunning glade]

Is there anything else copper intensive?

[zealous urchin]

do u just wanna build?

[sullen gull]

Mew

[wicked nacelle]

copper powder basically. Copper is one of the least valuable resources in the game

[cunning glade]

Okay good I think I'm gonna do 30 cubes a min which means 15k copper

[wicked nacelle]

so you're belt constrained?

[wicked nacelle]

just do pure copper ingots and you can get a lot of cubes

[cunning glade]

Oh ik

[hasty stump]

i finally got around to building a wonder star factory (producing a whopping 1.6/min) so for the first time I shall complete the ficsmas tech tree

[wicked nacelle]

a nice blueprint will slap out 4 refineries at a time

[cunning glade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=jZWVGZVuV9PfhwLF1Uer

[wicked nacelle]

iron wire is great because then you don't need to bring in copper.

it's not because the copper is valuable it's because your TIME is valuable

[cunning glade]

1.2k refineries tho holy fuck

[reef basin]

there are no bad recipes 😉

[wicked nacelle]

there are plenty

[reef basin]

all starting locations have copper

[coral marsh]

Bio-coal would like to butt in

[wicked nacelle]

and charcoal

[reef basin]

biocoal is also not a bad reicpe

[wicked nacelle]

troll

[coral marsh]

Charcoal is eaxcusable for masks

[coral marsh]

Low af energy, you need high throughput for coal gens to utilize it properly

[reef basin]

you don't need coal gens to make use of biocoal

[cunning glade]

Greeny can I make 30 pasta take less aluminum

[reef basin]

no idea, we have tools to check that out

[cunning glade]

I was told u could optimize it more but fair

[dense violet]

Just enjoying hot takes today?

[reef basin]

I don't know every possible production line from memory

[zealous urchin]

how

[reef basin]

because people are confusing "I don't have a use for this recipe" with "this recipe is bad"

[zealous urchin]

Maxeekology

[dense violet]

ammo factories? doesn't need to run all the time.
BioUranium rods ? 😛

[zealous urchin]

bio uranium rod wtf xd

[dense violet]

Honestly I'd run a SAM+biocoal factory just for ammo

[dense violet]

make uranium rods from pigs and sam ore. That's it

[steep hatch]

so i'm a little late to the ficsmas game and i tend to run long with my celebrations - if coffee stain cuts off my merriment is there a way to manually reenable ficsmas until im done with it?

[merry dagger]

where do you report bugs?

[dense violet]

just set your clock date back

[hasty stump]

some people disparage automated miners but i hate handcrafting those damn things

[reef basin]

changing date on your PC

[reef basin]

autominers are great tbh (though practically every recipe has a use)

[zealous urchin]

if u put it like that sure, but isnt biocoal a given in mam?

[merry dagger]

where do you report bugs?

[dense violet]

#faq

[reef basin]

if only you read #welcome

[reef basin]

what

[coral marsh]

I dont actually, whether or not I need it or have a use for something, I dont automatically assume its bad. My basis goes off of other things similar to it like compacted coal or just using regular coal, I take all factors into consideration before I make my judgement and mine is, is thay biocoal is a bad recipe

[hasty stump]

it almost broke my heart to take 6 inventory slots over autominers in my current playthrough, but dismantle crates are even more annoying

[cunning glade]

I could just make a separate aluminum factory just for pasta

[reef basin]

imo inventory slots are overrated

[cunning glade]

I think this is a future issue

[reef basin]

(and you can get the other one either way)

[hasty stump]

if i weren't so lazy about inventory management i'd probably agree tbh

[reef basin]

your judgement (based on your own preferences) 🙂

[coral marsh]

Just like anyone's general opinion, yes 🥰

[reef basin]

hence why "no recipe is bad or good" 🙂

[merry dagger]

where

[feral jay]

Right, my preferences are the only ones that matter :p

[coral marsh]

Theres a mod that adds in 25 slots btw

Its extremely handy imo cause I generally and quite often, need a fuck ton of iron plates and concrete to make massive platforms (i also use the depot)

[reef basin]

inventory is irrelevant once you get to dimdepot, which is like T3

[feral jay]

ehhh, I actually ran out of plates and concrete building my latest power tower

For really big builds, sometimes the depot isn't enough

[reef basin]

that means you haven't automated/buffered enough 😉

[dense violet]

where it says 'where do I report bugs'.

[hasty stump]

yea i run out of plates and concrete and such in the early dim depot period, building too many highways in the sky

[feral jay]

Nah I just haven't expanded the DD or the upload speed enough yet

[merry dagger]

yeah where

i am looking through this thing

[coral marsh]

Kinda? Even at max upload speed, they're still capped just below T3 belts so the refill when building en mass is actually slow as shit, my platforms are always massive because I refuse to build vertical so I need the extra slots to carry more materials

I use the Dimdepot as a buffer only really

[reef basin]

you can build multiple depots per item

[cunning glade]

60 cubes a min in sink would be worth a good amount of points right

[coral marsh]

I know, but I wont, because the upload speed, is still, slow as shit

[reef basin]

it stacks up

if you build 5 depots, your upload speed is 5 times as much compared to one depot

[cunning glade]

What's most worth it too multiple depot probs plates and concrete?

[coral marsh]

But isn't really is it, it stays the same 240 at max upgrade per depot so it only "looks" like its faster

[haughty patio]

concrete most definitelly

especially in the beginning imo

[reef basin]

yeah, but it's still 240*5 total upload speed

you're still getting 1200/min in depot in total

[coral marsh]

Iron plates, concrete, wire, cable, quickwire, steel beam/pipes, iron rod, alclad sheets, reinforced iron plates

[coral marsh]

Placebo

[cunning glade]

What?

[coral marsh]

The upload speed should be upgradeable to match the belt tiers

[cunning glade]

Mod for this

[coral marsh]

And stack size needs to be higher per upgrade

[reef basin]

no. You're getting 1200/min in total in the dimensional storage.

[cunning glade]

Mod for this

[pulsar glade]

Yk when u send something up to progress and the voice says good job but others ussally do it faster is that for everyone or what’s going on with it

[coral marsh]

2k concrete at 2nd to max upgrade? Too low

[reef basin]

yeah, don't worry about it

[zealous urchin]

When u were sketching aluminum cylinders with circles for two days un ur game buddy decides to whip out the "lets finis hthe rocket fuel power" 😩

[pulsar glade]

Ok but like I’m a doing things slow like I’m about to finished automating alumin like the first thing of phase 7 and I have like 60 hours on my save

[reef basin]

if you have one depot, it's 240/min upload
if you build two depots you have two depots, each doing 240/min upload, so it's exactly the same as one depot doing 480/min upload (except you need two depots for it, obviously)

[coral marsh]

That just uses up more Mercer spheres so you cant depot more items

[thorn cave]

my max consumption is half my max consuming and my machines are still running 😭 and i dont have any backup batterys

[coral marsh]

Guys, the base upgrades need to be increased

[reef basin]

yeah, and there's enough spheres to do this for items you need en mass

[cunning glade]

Use mods if u care about it

[coral marsh]

Yea and if you are using 2 or 3 or 4 depots for iron plates then you have used 2-3 spheres you could've used to depot other items

[zealous urchin]

werent u going on about mk3 pipes a week ago

[coral marsh]

Argue with the wall, genuinely, because I am ungodly stubborn

[coral marsh]

Yup

[feral jay]

Mk.3 pipes will never happen

[coral marsh]

We are all allowed to voice opinions yk

I joined back because I like the community

I never intend to start arguments, I personally hate them

[reef basin]

there's ~200 excess spheres, you use like 50 for items you only need a bit of or don't need more than 240/min upload, and remaining 150 you can use for the 10-15 items you need en-mass, giving you like 10 depots per item

[feral jay]

Haha I personally love them... as long as they're civil

[zealous urchin]

if only pipes didnt bug out for no reason

[reef basin]

they don't

[feral jay]

Yeah and then pipes would no longer have the challenge that is fluid dynamics

[dense violet]

that's not a selling point

[feral jay]

They're not that hard to understand, but to be fair, there's quite a learning curve

[coral marsh]

Never say never buddy. Ive seen shit get added to lesser games that the devs swore would never be added, it just took 5-6 years to happen, even the devs of genshin impact said they'd never increase the resin cap from 200 to 240, now its at like 300

[coral marsh]

It wasn't lmao

[zealous urchin]

but would u be confident with having mk2 everywhere expecting max throughput?

[feral jay]

In this game of all games, I never say never. But Mk.3 pipes will never happen.

[dense violet]

I'm confident with my pipes

Follow the basic rules, keep it simple, done

[feral jay]

We were lucky enough to get Mk.6 belts

And we only ever got Mk.6 belts to solve the miner issue with pure nodes

[reef basin]

yes, if built correctly

[lapis shadow]

Is there some kind of pinned message or guide video that y'all recommend that lays out a general rule of thumb for what tiers to go for first? I just started and I'm kinda unsure what to buy first. Normally I'd decide for myself since that's kinda part of the game but this game seems a lot more time consuming if I'm doing things wrong haha

[feral jay]

yes

[dense violet]

the milestones the hub gives you - make those as goals to automate and it'll progress you

pick whichever you like

[lapis frost]

Id go left to right as these usually unlock parts or buildings needed for the next

[feral jay]

I use 600/min pipes everywhere, so much so that it's my Reddit flair

[dense violet]

ther milestones and tiers are basically a tutorial - teach you all the moving parts. And when you're done with them you're ready for your own projects

make infinite jump pads

[feral jay]

600/min pipes aren't so difficult once you realize that 600/min is the maximum, not the average

[zealous urchin]

ok i will ping u whenever ill have an issue then

[dense violet]

you can also get constant 600 avg flow

[feral jay]

If your pipe flows fluctuate at all, even one iota, you can't do 600/min pipes

[cunning glade]

I think mk3 pipes would be nice

[reef basin]

rather make a post in #1038092680493801533

[cunning glade]

Don't really care but for nuclear and big builds would be amazing

[dense violet]

I can get 600 constant flow bottom feeding, you're doing something weird then

[zealous urchin]

of course

[lapis frost]

should be bundled with mk 3 miners frfr

[feral jay]

If you're actually working with 600/min, it makes no difference whether it's bottomn or top fed

[dense violet]

it really does

bottom feeding 600 pipes is much more annoying

[feral jay]

Not in my experience

But to be fair, I never bottom feed

[dense violet]

make a #1038092680493801533 with overhead shots

[lapis shadow]

Also am I using Bioreactors correctly? It seems awfully strange that one of those can only power one stage of any indivual assembly line I make. For example my setup with a miner and smelter needs a 1 bioreacter for both the smelter and the miner. In my head I would think whatever powersource I'm using could power up to like 10 machines. Which I'm sure I get something like that later but am I doing something wrong or are they really just that bad for power generation?

[dense violet]

connect them to 1 grid...

[feral jay]

It's not 600/min that's the big differentiator, it's that once the pipes are full, it makes no difference whether it's bottom or top fed

[dense violet]

were you mixing fresh and waste?

[feral jay]

(again, in my experience)

[lapis frost]

connect all them together for better power usage

[dense violet]

still no, the junctions behave even worse when the input pipes are above the main piope

[lapis shadow]

Connect them how?

[dense violet]

Hmm would have to see it yeah

[dense violet]

power poles

[lapis frost]

so you can put a power pole down from one and the connect another gen to it

[feral jay]

In other news, I bought my 8 year old nephew this game for xmas, hopefully that works out well

[lapis shadow]

So if I have 2 bioreactors connected to 1 power pole, and then connect said power pole to a machine, it will use power more efficiently?

[feral jay]

He's a good enough chess player to beat me if I don't watch him

[lapis frost]

sort of, any left over power can be used for multiple machines

[lapis frost]

also much easier to manage

[feral jay]

Maybe one day I can argue with my nephew about the game physics of pipe flows

[lapis shadow]

hm maybe I should just play the game and figure it out 🤯

[dense violet]

not more efficiently, just easier to manage

[feral jay]

You gotta fuck up first, and let all us old timers get proven right 😄

Officially it's 10,000 houras before you're an expert at anything

I can't remember who said that but it's a household name

(I say that as a 1,000 hour pilot)

[lapis frost]

I made my friend that plays insane by getting to tier 9 in 50 hours while he has 300 on one world and hasnt started phase 4, thoughts? Did I rush to much?

[lapis shadow]

Is this an exaggeration? I do play one other game that seems to be of similar complexity to this, albeit a totally different genre but I couldn't believe when people were telling me you need 1000s of hours to be just decent. From the Depths is what I'm talking about if yall heard of it

[feral jay]

yes and no, you can beat the game in a couple of hundred hours, but you won't really understand the finer points until a couple of thousand

And a lot of the finer points of this game are emergent properties, so therefore undocumented and poorly understood

[haughty patio]

I once again used fandom instead of wiki.gg

[feral jay]

You're fired. No wait. Not fired. Exiled and shunned. Begone!

[haughty patio]

Can't believe they're still on top of the search results

[feral jay]

Do your part, vandalize the fandom wiki

Insert incorrect information

[coral marsh]

We censoring swesr words now?

[haughty patio]

It's already outdated and incorrect

[feral jay]

Make it even worse

Fandom is evil and they deserve it

Coffee Stain tried to be nice

They got told to eat shit

[coral marsh]

Fair enough

[feral jay]

hahaha well "eat shit" wasn't censored just now

[dense violet]

It's more like minecraft than anything - create your own projects, architecture , design philosophies, ect

[haughty patio]

Is there ever an instance where processing 1800 oil is too much?

[coral marsh]

Lmao

[feral jay]

That's a pretty fair analogy, this game is a lot like minecraft in that you do have to make your own challenges, and a lot of challenges come from other players

[coral marsh]

Idk, but i need 128 particle accelerators for dark matter crystals lmao

[feral jay]

My challenge this run is "all machines must run at 100%, all the time"

[haughty patio]

I'm talking about processing it to fuel 👀

4800 Fuel/min

[coral marsh]

Nah, you could build like, 1000-2000 fuel gens with that 😆

[haughty patio]

Eventuelly

[spare cradle]

Gosh it takes a assembler a minute to make a modular frame, but it took me 3 to make all 50

[foggy coral]

is there a person that knows trains? if there are please help me in #1038092680493801533

[haughty patio]

only 240 fuel gens

[feral jay]

Pipes are rife with bugs, hard to understand, unnecessarily complex, have too steep a learning curve, and therefore should be entirely remove from the game. (walks away)

[reef basin]

but while the assembler makes the frames, you can do something else

[haughty patio]

just never move fluids vertcally. It's that simple

[feral jay]

I'll know my way around trains when I can build stackers

[coral marsh]

It takes 24 seconds to make 5, its very slow so id reccomend setting up 2 or 4 assemblers either 12 or 6 seconds out of phase

[feral jay]

But that's rather a... pipe dream

[spare cradle]

Ik. It's nice but yeah.

[foggy coral]

i thought i did too but not when it randomly stops in middle of block xD

[reef basin]

(and also, once you build the assembler, it will keep making things, as long as you feed it. So better automate as soon as you can)

[feral jay]

I did get my wish with priority mergers, now I just want better train logic

Well I did waste a bunch of time on blueprints for quasi-priority mjergers

Yes, and I vehemently disagreed with him on a dev stream or two

[reef basin]

and we disagreed with you 😛

[feral jay]

It's funny because it's true

Now, I want trains to recalculate their path after every signal, not just after they leave a station

That way, we could build Factorio/OpenTTD style stackers

[haughty patio]

Just when I wanted to say that trains are not so bad one of my trains starts complaining about being unable to reach a destination

[feral jay]

Considering the millions of calculations per second this game needs to make, I don't think train path recalculation would add that much

[spare cradle]

... it takes 2 harddrives to get turbofuel

I had 2

[coral marsh]

4 to get ionized fuel

[feral jay]

And fifteen gajillion screws to unlock phase 9

[spare cradle]

Though, I won't be needing turbofuel or fuel at all as I have nearly a full container of solid biofuel

[coral marsh]

I was actually so worried thinking id need 128 particle accelerators, I now realize I only need 32 at 200% each or 64 at 100% each, this takes such a massive fkin load off my chest lol

I actually downloaded the mod that multiples the power output of reactors 10 fold

25Gw each instead of 2.5Gw

[feral jay]

ooh, I use mods, but not mods like that. Without that mod, your game breaks HARD

[haughty patio]

and ofc the solution was to replace a rail that was there before with exactly the same one again...

[coral marsh]

Nah I figured out i need it, my final project in the game is going to be being able to store 20-40 Terawatts of power

With 250 reactors ill produce 6.25Tw of power and with the 600 fuel gens im going to be building for ionized fuel, I can add another 112.5Gw to that

[feral jay]

That will take months IRL

[coral marsh]

Ik

I play a lot so it'll trickle up nicely

[feral jay]

(assuming you have other responsibilities)

[dense violet]

go play factorio then, SF doesn't have dynamic processes, it's static and continuous production

like, it's generally actively really bad to have many trains stopping at the same station anyway. You murder the throughput of hte platforms

[coral marsh]

I want a second monitor, but you are quite right, I do plan on doing some more extreme builds in a second world

[dense violet]

you're basically asking to make it easier to do trains wrong in the game

[coral marsh]

I wouldnt mind doing YouTube on this game

[feral jay]

It's not a "production" criticism, it's a "train pathing" criticism

[dense violet]

yes, so go play factorio. I don't want any of it in my game

[feral jay]

I think it's a fair criticism

[dense violet]

not even 1 leg to stand on - there's no variable production in the game, so there's no need for 'rail stackers'

[coral marsh]

I plan to buy a 2nd Samsung odyssey G5 monitor and a dual monitor arm

[feral jay]

I think train pathing is too simple in this game, and I think it can be improved

[dense violet]

you always know exactly what you're extracting and moving

[coral marsh]

But first, I need to double down on RAM and get a better CPU

[dense violet]

it does everything it possibly needs to when you have systems that don't vary

if any of hte production rates changed and you never knew what you'd be moving? sure

[haughty patio]

I think trains stations take too much space as is in this game

[dense violet]

that one is fair

[feral jay]

I can live with the large stations but that's also fair

[lapis shadow]

What do I need to be thinking about when deciding where to setup my base? Just started and all I know is that I would want to have a base that is the most equadistant from my 3 resources that I need atm, limestone, copper and iron. I'm sure I will need other resources in the future so would it be a good idea to plan ahead for those or...?

[dense violet]

figure out what you're making
find the nodes you need.

that's it

[coral marsh]

That game is way too involved for me

[dense violet]

the game forces you to spread out. Just make new factories

[coral marsh]

Fair

[feral jay]

But then again, train stackers would get very cumbersome with the size of the stations we have now

[coral marsh]

I watched Martincintopants's play through and yea fk that lol

[haughty patio]

I've seen how it looks like in factorio, Would be cool to have though ngl

But at the same time, I think since you're striving for 100% efficiency, I think it's not really necessary

[feral jay]

I've played several thousand hours of OpenTTD, which has rather complex signalling logic, I really rely on stackers in that game

Just, the fact that a train can't simply... wait for an empty platform, that really bothers me

[dense violet]

ok, but it sounds like you ahve variable throughput in that

which is totally not the case in SF

[feral jay]

Or even that a train can't simply route around a blocked track

[dense violet]

it's really really easy to never have a blocked train

[feral jay]

Well yes

[dense violet]

like you have to actively design your system to have clogs

[feral jay]

But I want to challenge myself by maximizing rail throughput

[dense violet]

you can do that w/o stackers

[feral jay]

Yes I can, and I do. But I still want better train routing logic.

[haughty patio]

agreed. Path signals could be smarter

[dense violet]

yeah it's just sounding like you're crying 'I wanna' with no real purpose. Much like pointless priority mergers

[feral jay]

I see what you did there

[haughty patio]

Totally not me looking forward to using priority mergers for diluted fuel

[dense violet]

... why would you ever use them there?

[haughty patio]

stop unnecessarly producing packaging?

[dense violet]

why would you have constnat packages being produced in the first place? make 1000 or something and be done with it

[feral jay]

Careful.,. I hunt ducks

[dense violet]

even if you use a manifold for the empty containers, which isn't a great idea in the firest place, You don't want the manifold to be totally flooded with empty cannisters

You're doing extra work that will make your life harder

[haughty patio]

Isn't that exactly what the priority merger will solve?

[dense violet]

no? because it'll fill up every space it can

which you don't want.

[lapis shadow]

You can set markers on the map to give yourself reminders to find things but I saw in a video that you can also place those markers using your character's reticle for greater accuracy (yk, without opening the map). How do I do that?

[feral jay]

Strangely, I used a boatload of priority megers in my Ficsmas present farm, because I only have Mk.4 belts so far, they're greeat to make sure each belt is full before the next on gets filled up

[haughty patio]

I don't see the problem as long as the packaging already in the system is given priority

[dense violet]

#satisfactory-memes message

it's basically that. You don't need a system that constantly makes it and fed into the DPF system. Just stick a bunch in the first place and be done with it

You're wasting all that plastic anyway if you have it connected ot with a PM

[feral jay]

dood the Linux support joke before that was even better

[dense violet]

because if it's NOT feeding containers to a system, it'll still use up all the resources

[feral jay]

I just shoot them

[dense violet]

yes, because priority mergers aren't funny, they are stupid and pointless

[feral jay]

I will agree to disagree

[haughty patio]

I don't want to babysit the system until all the necessary packaging has been produced and is on where it needs to be

[dense violet]

you may agree to be wrong 🙂

[feral jay]

You're playing the game wrong

[dense violet]

you don't. You have an industrial container of empties before the manifold

done

[dense violet]

also, it's generally simpler to not have a manifold for DPF. Just make a packager > refinery > unpackager in a loop

[feral jay]

Yes exactly, I can put the game down, and then touch grass and kill ducks

Why the hell am I talking about duck hunting?

[dense violet]

but manifolds for them do work as long as you've got a buffer of empties

[thorn cave]

yo im just making my first turbofuel production line, any tips yall?

[feral jay]

Well to be fair, ducks are delicious

[feral jay]

Nah if you're ramping up turbofuel you've probably got enough shit figured out that you can figure the rest out with trial and error

[dense violet]

if you're not great at pipes keep stuff in sections of 300 flow or less

[feral jay]

Avoid bottom feeding maybe, but that's a point of some contention

[thorn cave]

i got t1 pipes rn

[feral jay]

Also, ignore everything @dense violet says, he knows not of what he speaks

[dense violet]

...can you make TF without having unlocked mk2 pipes? weird

but yeah if you're not wanting to learn pipes, stick to mk1s

there's basic rules running higher flow pipes that work fine though if you want to learn

[thorn cave]

ngl, ima need that extra flow rate

[thorn cave]

he seems like he does

[dense violet]

higher flow pipes are more likely to have back flow issues - you can manage them but you just need to learn how to do it

[feral jay]

He does, but I is smrter

[dense violet]

however - you can just have multiple smaller sections of piping and it'll do the same thing

so depends on how you want to go about things

[feral jay]

That's actually good advice, keep your pipe segments as small as you can

[thorn cave]

jetpack and power production. my max power is twice my current production and by some mirical my power grid hasint shut down.

[thorn cave]

checks out

[dense violet]

these are some basic 'rules' for all piping #math-and-meta message

these rules are flexible though

[thorn cave]

im just gon use it like a conveyer manifold line so it should be fine i think idk much about pipes

[lapis shadow]

How do I use the chainsaw? I have it in my hand slot and I have solid biofuel in my inventory, I read that I need to point at a tree and it should prompt me to use it from there. I've seen no such prompt, am I missing something?

[dense violet]

elevation changes matter with pipes and not belts though
If you want to run something even close to 600 flow you'll probably need to loop your pipe manifolds

[feral jay]

WHen you get to Turbofuel is also when you start to hit 600/min and start exploring edge cases

[thorn cave]

a bit

[dense violet]

most pipe issues come about from people treating them like belts

[remote kraken]

I just got the game and started today :>

[thorn cave]

i know that, and ive already used pipe loops for my coal power

[thorn cave]

i bet

[dense violet]

you tend not to need them for coal gens 🙂 but it never hurts

[feral jay]

And then pipe issues are solved when you unlock rocket fuel and it's now a gas

[thorn cave]

havent unlocked it

im tryina complete phase 3 rn

my whole power grid is hanging on by a thread(also hopes and dreams)

[remote kraken]

When do you unlock a different power source? My Solidified-Biofuel isn't efficient enough

[feral jay]

very soon

Coal power will change everything

[lapis shadow]

#screenshots message

[feral jay]

The big difference being that the fuel source for biofuel cannot be mined, but for coal power it can be

[thorn cave]

turbofuel is a good power source right?

[feral jay]

Turbofuel isn't a power source, it's a medium. Oil is the power source.

[thorn cave]

wait what. so your telling me i jus made a turbofuel production line for nun?

[lapis shadow]

ohhhhh, explanations online made it soundlike I would only have it in my hands once I was facing a tree and actively trying to cut it down. Thank you

[dense violet]

every new fuel step effectively just turns other resources into more oil

Because you culd always just make more diluted fuel

Turbo Fuel? turns sulfur and coal into oil

[feral jay]

Oh no, you'll use it for a while yet. Coal power will take... some time to figure out well. Until then, you're gonna need that biofuel.

Be happy - back in my day, all those bioburners had to. be. fed. by. hand...

[thorn cave]

im on phase 2 getting to phase three i already use coal power

and its the only thing keeping my power grid alive

[remote kraken]

How many more Biofuel Grinders will I need before I can finally power my janky factory
(We're at 6 so far)

[dense violet]

I use coal until tier7. It's fine

[compact flicker]

Each one is 30mw

[feral jay]

Even bioburners can power most of everything if you sloop it all

[thorn cave]

look in screenshots and scroll up

thats my current power setup

[feral jay]

If you sloop every stage of the biofuel production process you wind up with I think 8X the fuel

[dense violet]

find a spot with 4 coal nodes next to water, with mk3 belts make 64 gens https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1439217940141441107/image.png?ex=69506de8&is=694f1c68&hm=0e2b786223467445c25ecde7dec2f80b8336773bd25905b4768a2b8379971bf4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[thorn cave]

also, i dont wanna import coal from across tho map cuz building that much railroad is boring

[thorn cave]

k

[remote kraken]

What should I work towards next, decision paralysis is eating me alive

[feral jay]

Every starting location has a spot nearby where you can build a great coal power plant

[shrewd hatch]

my friend made it go around the map

3 times now

[thorn cave]

resorce production? next phase? idk

[thorn cave]

wow

[feral jay]

analysis paralysis, not decision paralysis, it's a catchier term

[shrewd hatch]

He bought so much concrete from the awesome shop tho

[feral jay]

ouch, that's a waste

[thorn cave]

who does that bru

[remote kraken]

New Factory Location?

[dense violet]

pick a random milestone

[shrewd hatch]

its okay I buy motor from awesome shop which is 6 coupons for 50

[dense violet]

that's their whole point of existing

[feral jay]

Pick a goal, and then sequentially break it down into smaller and smaller bits

[shrewd hatch]

Im gonna make a room where I store my golden nut statues

[thorn cave]

what do i use turbofuel for even now that i got a half finished production line for it

[feral jay]

POWAH!

[dense violet]

power or for vehicles

[shrewd hatch]

power generators?

Like isnt it obvious

[remote kraken]

I tried that, I ended up in a hole that I couldn't get out of

[thorn cave]

well they saying you cant make power w/ it

[shrewd hatch]

I found a hole that leads to under the map, it was cool

[remote kraken]

I had to die and lose my stuffs :[

[shrewd hatch]

who is they

[feral jay]

Use the excess for jetpcak fuel maybe, but I personally only ever use liquid biofuel for the jetpack once I have it

[thorn cave]

idk thats what i thogt so i made it

[shrewd hatch]

yes biofuel is awesome

[thorn cave]

ca striek and cobalt

[shrewd hatch]

I have 5000000 quadrillion billion biofuel in my chest that I purchased from awesome shop

[thorn cave]

alr

[shrewd hatch]

But guys how do I get rid of ADA talking every time I buy something, its getting annoying

[thorn cave]

slime them out

[shrewd hatch]

Like does she have to say something every 2nd time I buy something like gawdam

[dense violet]

you can't automated bio fuel - fine for things that don't need to be automated but that's not.. .a lot

jet packs?

[feral jay]

Send the game back to Coffee Stain and demand your money back

[shrewd hatch]

ADA is a clanker, you dont have to say them

[thorn cave]

oh mb

[shrewd hatch]

tbh yea I want my damn 15 bucks back

I paid 15 bucks for this game and I gotta listen to a clanker YAP about some random shit

"promotion delayed for bla bla bla years"

[rough tusk]

Hey, does anyone know how to fix the ''conection to host lost'' issue? Me and my friend played for about 5 hours then one of us kept getting disconected. We tried changing host, restarting, vpns but to no avail.

[feral jay]

15 bucks? DAmn, I just paid 30 or 40 to buy it for my nephew

($cdn obv)

[lapis shadow]

#screenshots message Can someone explain this?

[thorn cave]

idk it told me i was its favorate pionner so its fine for me lwk

[shrewd hatch]

you got it after they raised the price

they shoulda decrease the price as the game ages but nah they thinking differently

[thorn cave]

i got it on a discount

[haughty patio]

The one connected to your hub only produces 20

[feral jay]

Yes, you have bioburners that can produce that much, but aren't currently. Bioburners are unique in that they scale production to meet demand.

[shrewd hatch]

game is buggy and has performance problems and they decide to take it out of beta? Nah it feels like its in ALPHA

I can literally fly to the moon by pressing a button

[lapis shadow]

oh that's weird

[feral jay]

Yes. Fuck golf. The game needs duck hunting, especially with the fancy guided bullets.

[haughty patio]

🤷‍♂️

[shrewd hatch]

buddy the burners on your hub are like twice less the size

[lapis shadow]

buddy I've never made one so it would make sense to assume they're the same size

[thorn cave]

tubofuel works for power

[feral jay]

Imagine, for a moment, 12 guage birdshot... but guided birdshot

[thorn cave]

it was not all for nun

[clear mesa]

Now make rocket fuel 🤓

[shrewd hatch]

buddy why would you think that you can build a biomass burner sized that small

[clear mesa]

Buddy buddy buddy

[thorn cave]

what could you possibly need to decemate with that amount of firepower

[feral jay]

Haha maybe that's why I like the homing ammo, it's a "spray and pray" ammo, kinda like duck hunting

[lapis shadow]

buddy I have 65 minutes in the game buddy, watch it with the buddy, bud

[thorn cave]

HELL NO tubofuel was already a nightmare in of itself

[feral jay]

Oh my sweet summer child...

[dense violet]

just make diluted fuel then, It's simple and tons of power

[thorn cave]

i can only imagine what rocket fuel is like(legit i havent unlocked it)

[shrewd hatch]

65 minutes and still not on biomass burners?

buddy

[dense violet]

mostly just boring

[shrewd hatch]

it looks like you need to up your pace BUDDY

[feral jay]

rocket fuel is actually easier in a lot of ways because it's a gas

[clear mesa]

Worst part imo is honestly not even making it but packaging it usually

[thorn cave]

not unlocked

[clear mesa]

Requires steel for canisters instead of plastic

[thorn cave]

oh cool

[dense violet]

you can get diluted fuel tier 3

[thorn cave]

im phase 2 rn

[dense violet]

yuptier 3 is the first step of phase 2

[lapis shadow]

Buddy I just used the ones on the hub buddy, since there was no indication that they were any different from the ones I could place down buddy. So why take up more real estate if they are the same thing BUDDY?

[dense violet]

you can get diluted fuel as soon as you unlock fuel iirc

[shrewd hatch]

aint reading allat

[dense violet]

you'll need more than 2 realistically

[lapis shadow]

Typical of buddies like you

[shrewd hatch]

ragebaited

[thorn cave]

i got everything up to half of tier 6

[thorn cave]

alr

[lapis shadow]

I'm having fun buddy how bout you try joybaiting buddy

Buddy

[feral jay]

busts out the banhammer

[thorn cave]

cooked

[shrewd hatch]

Buddy how about you shut ur mouth and play the damn game, I was just trolling

taking it so seriously behind that screen

[clear mesa]

🤦‍♂️

[lapis shadow]

Buddy how bout you shut your mouth before I get my dad to ban you. My dad owns Discord buddy so pipe down buddy

[feral jay]

I've trolled a few times and been... politely asked not to...

[thorn cave]

take a chillpill buckaroo

[lapis shadow]

How do you think I'm being seriours buddy

[shrewd hatch]

Your dad owns discord huh

[thorn cave]

oh dang bro

[shrewd hatch]

"my dad owns discord" yea bud we heard this one too many times

[thorn cave]

speaking of songs, what tf is the setent creepy sphere yappin to ada and me abt

[shrewd hatch]

Idk I have 500 of them spheres

[dense violet]

pick it up and see

[feral jay]

Kittens and puppies. Are you daft?

[shrewd hatch]

they look useless to me

asked if I can delete em once, they said its finite

[thorn cave]

nah they ant trust youll need em

[shrewd hatch]

yea I got em stored next to my 20k power shards

[feral jay]

cheater

[shrewd hatch]

no cheater

[clear mesa]

This is very stimulating conversation

[thorn cave]

oh yea totally not it tryina explain quantum mecanics all cryptic and tottaly kittens and puppes

[shrewd hatch]

I made it with the blueprint designer

I shit out coupons from the blueprint designer

[clear mesa]

For now

[shrewd hatch]

thats how I afford everything I gotta buy from awesome shop

[feral jay]

Agreed, I liked the way they were taking the story pre-1.0 before they axed it all

[thorn cave]

what you mean by that

gng what you mean

[feral jay]

I don't play the game for the story, but I wanted to hear what the story designer had to tell

[thorn cave]

nvm dont spoil it

[thorn cave]

i play it for the kittens and puppes bro they cute

[feral jay]

I want a message from Mrs. Parks

[feral jay]

I play it to kill the kittens and puppies, but you do you

[unborn vessel]

Is it worth using tractors to move stuff around?

[shrewd hatch]

Lol

[clear mesa]

Yeah

[shrewd hatch]

I kill all life that comes across me

[thorn cave]

WAHT YOU MONSTER

[shrewd hatch]

Whole foken forest ecosystem gone

[feral jay]

No. And anyone who tells you otherwise is a rank amateur.

[unborn vessel]

ok thanks

[thorn cave]

i use trains

[shrewd hatch]

The forest itself gon be chopped down for space

[unborn vessel]

i dont have trains

[clear mesa]

I usually set up tractors before rails, once you get to rails you can phase them out

[unborn vessel]

ok

[thorn cave]

get trains

[unborn vessel]

what phase is that?

[feral jay]

get trains

[shrewd hatch]

trains fun

[unborn vessel]

im on phase 2

[clear mesa]

3

[feral jay]

Trains and hoverpacks change everything

[unborn vessel]

only just learnt what those are

[clear mesa]

Quartz and sulfur research early on

[feral jay]

If you ever think "maybe I should rush the hover pack"... just do it

[unborn vessel]

i have a couple things on quartz

[feral jay]

Go out exploring crash sites for the required mats if you need to but rush the hoverpack

[thorn cave]

catirum is the best resorce to research lwk

[lapis shadow]

Will miners that I place be automatically lined up on the world grid? Like will their eventual connected conveyer belts line up with the rest of my builds?

[unborn vessel]

What a priority merger do?

[clear mesa]

I mean I get it for those grapple things to run on power lines

[feral jay]

Miners are actually a strange exception to the world grid

[clear mesa]

Prioritises input belt from left/centre/right according to how you set it

[thorn cave]

jus use cannons

[unborn vessel]

ok

[feral jay]

Oh shit I haven't built a tube cannon yet this save...

[clear mesa]

I have a blueprint for it just to throw down instantly dw

Best transportation in the game

[thorn cave]

HOW HAVE YOU NOT THOGHT OF THAT

[thorn cave]

alr nice

[feral jay]

Even better if you don't have a parachute

[clear mesa]

Just stick the landing

[feral jay]

Oh I've thought about it, just... haven't built one yet

[thorn cave]

WELL DO IT THEN

[thorn cave]

how many hours have you spen just running around bro

[clear mesa]

Understandable but when you're going back and forth so frequently it really only wastes time..

[lapis shadow]

#screenshots message I can't get these limestone rocks to break to create a more level surface for the miner to sit on, I was able to do that much easier with copper/iron nodes. Is it just harder to break the inital limestone rocks or are the unbreakable?

[thorn cave]

fair

[thorn cave]

yea fr fr

[feral jay]

My last save I had like "Tube Cannon Mark 5" blueprinted, it was... insane, it could send me through tubes so fast, the ground wouldn't render underneath me before I arrived, and I'd fall into the void

[clear mesa]

Unbreakable, just rotate it to sit down more flush otherwise the only option is to place a foundation on top of it and then place the miner

[feral jay]

The best part of a random tube cannon is hoofing it back

[spare cradle]

When I saw the amount of Smart panels I needed (per that I don't have them automated), screaming

I was saying something like "If the amount of any material I need is equal or somewhere close to 100, ima automate that part"... all of them were 😭

Big jump from 50

[clear mesa]

Ohh smart plating

I thought I was missing something

[feral jay]

That's what homing ammo is for

That and DD'ed inhalers

I always automate homing ammo

Spray and pray, just like hunting ducks

[clear mesa]

Automating ammo and fuel for jetpack is usually my first step into turning my world into a glorified creative sandbox

Have to nuke all the fauna

[feral jay]

Every time I automate nuke nobs, I save the game and basically nuke the planet, and then reload

[reef basin]

the whole game is about automating things

[clear mesa]

I can't say I've ever automated nuke nobelisks in particular but yes that sounds destructive

😭

[feral jay]

Wait what? I should automate things?

[clear mesa]

Nahhhhh that's what the crafting bench is for

[spare cradle]

I know but I wasn't expecting that much from the original 50 ;-;

[clear mesa]

Wait until you see the later phases 😔

[spare cradle]

[feral jay]

Well you can't fully automate them, they need biomatter input if I recall right

[shrewd hatch]

can you buy nuke nobelisks

[clear mesa]

Uhhhhhh do they?

[feral jay]

Nope just looked it up, they don't

[clear mesa]

Those are gas nobelisks

Yeah same I was confused haha

[feral jay]

Yeah the gas nobs, those need biomatter