satisfactory

[gray hill]

omg ur a genius

[silk ocean]

Not two words that usually go together when it comes to me lol

[broken quarry]

crafting 200 rotors for my coal project hopefully this is the last time I manually craft them

[minor owl]

you could like make a temporary assembler setup

[broken quarry]

mehh its only 200

[minor owl]

if you want to save your finger idk if you know this but you can just tap space once and it will craft forever in the workbench

[ivory condor]

thats the fun part, you have to hide it creatively

[broken quarry]

whaaaaaaaaaaa

[gray hill]

i've decided to build a completely useless building over it

and as i've just finished it i've realised theres the tiniest of tiniest piece of rock sticking out and it is making go mental

[silk ocean]

Awesome Shop? xD

Is it a Shop? Is it a Rock? No it's an empty husk of a building hiding an outcrop xD

[stone adder]

guys ive been thinkig what is the best way to keep drone fuel all over the map?

[silk ocean]

Backhaul train network 😉

[stone adder]

in mortal language pls

what is a backhaul

ahaha

[silk ocean]

Like a backend logistics network to move the fuel around, I was kidding a bit XD

[minor owl]

use the drones to fuel the drones

[silk ocean]

Yea I fly in fuel to remote locations

[stone adder]

ok so that what im literally doing hahah thnks

[silk ocean]

Either that or upgrade the fuel type so they can do round-trips and no need to refuel downroute

[stone adder]

i got rocket fuel packed

[silk ocean]

Should be able to do most round-trip?

[dense violet]

fuel drones

[silk ocean]

So much base tidy-up this morning

[broken quarry]

whats the point of flushing?

[minor owl]

in a pipe?

[broken quarry]

yuh

[minor owl]

if you wanna clear out the pipe for whatever reason thats how you do it

[broken quarry]

ah

[hard ivy]

When you accidentally put the wrong fluid in a pipe, you'll need to flush it to be able to put in the correct one

[silk ocean]

It's like belt contam... liquid edition

[zealous urchin]

one day ur knees will bend under the weight of ur sins

[silk ocean]

Santa's Kitten 😛

What's Mago

[zealous urchin]

the wizard

[silk ocean]

Santa's Wizard Cat ?

[hollow onyx]

how do i make the mettalic finishes appear longer? they are dissapearing once im like barely far away

[silk ocean]

Ultra view distance I guess is all you can do

[zealous urchin]

would be correct

[silk ocean]

Feliz Navidad El Gato Mago

[hollow onyx]

its weird for me cause changing the setting does nothing eveything loads out quickly

[silk ocean]

I basically get the same thing

Stuff doesn't render in max detail/LOD for that far before it starts to drop down a notch

The fencing?

Could be VRAM if that close

[ivory condor]

what about using cinematic settings

[hollow onyx]

aw

[silk ocean]

I'll plop some fencing and test

[hollow onyx]

im only using 5/8gb vram

[silk ocean]

Doesn't seem to disappear at that range

[hollow onyx]

its so odd because sometimes things dissapear when i get closer

[silk ocean]

Have you tried ultra preset to test

[hollow onyx]

sent my settings in screenshots

[broken quarry]

I set everything to max and just let my gpu suffer, am I not supposed to do that?

[silk ocean]

I wonder if it's affected by conveyor visual quality... one would assume just conveyors

[ivory condor]

yes, set everything to cinematic, its the best graphic settings

and by best i mean guaranteed to make your gpu suffer the most

[silk ocean]

For sure xD

[hollow onyx]

dunno if you are just loling but i checked and doesnt affect it

but yeah its weird it feels like my shadow render distance is like a 8 meter circle around me

[silk ocean]

Nah you never know but yea unlikely to affect that sort of thing

[sterile blade]

Do remember that changing some settings need to restart the game to take full effect

[hollow onyx]

ive been on the highest settings the whole time anyways

[ivory condor]

[sterile blade]

That is quite the disappointing situation

[hollow onyx]

yeah its odd its not that noticable unless im looking at it specifically

it just feels like these things shouldnt be loading so easily and visibly

[ivory condor]

the suboptimal sign performance is worse

[sterile blade]

Shhh, I have still to try messing with the settings to bring back "old GI"... someone spilled the beans on that, but I haven't dared checking yet 😅

[silk ocean]

What's your card?

[hollow onyx]

3070 8gb

[ivory condor]

how do you bring back the "old GI"👀

[silk ocean]

Latest drivers I assume?

[sterile blade]

Console settings to make sure that signs' emissives aren't culled away or something like that

[hollow onyx]

ye just checked

only graphics based thing i could think might do something is i have optiscaler but I think i had these things before that too

[ivory condor]

hmmm interesting

[sterile blade]

More at #satisfactory message

[silk ocean]

Hmm, all I can say is that stuff doesn't often render all that far, but certainly seems the railings are further than you are experiencing

[ivory condor]

what we need is a cinematic sign settings, for that truly realistic lighting at 1 fps

[hollow onyx]

yeah dunno maybe its a bug and itll be fixed in 1.2 😛

ill cope for now

[silk ocean]

My GPU mem usage is 7.4GB

[ivory condor]

oh more complex console commands yay

[silk ocean]

The engine is deciding to LOD or remove these objects at that range for some reason, my only guess is preservation of VRAM but that's a total guess

[ivory condor]

what we need is more cinematic LODs

[silk ocean]

xD

[ivory condor]

xD

[silk ocean]

I didn't even know some go to Cinematic

[zealous urchin]

is it how its gonna be

you two farming keks on main

[silk ocean]

lol-farming?

[severe cliff]

is there a mk3 pipe?

so no manifolds for liquids copy

[silk ocean]

You just have to split the system if you need more capacity than 600/min

[severe cliff]

ok thank you

[silk ocean]

You can do manifolds, just add it up so you don't exceed 600 and then split it and run 2+ pipes in parallel

[ivory condor]

also be sure to loop the manifolds to avoid issues

[sterile blade]

Cinematic with NO LODs

[sterile blade]

... How do you come to that conclusion?

[severe cliff]

if i made 1 it’ll take more fuel than i can carry?

[sterile blade]

Not for any single pipe segment, but the system as a whole can (though it doesn't often make sense to just link multiple manifolds)

Ie: pipe segments have limited throughput, but junctions don't

[hard ivy]

How does a lack of a mk3 pipe make manifolds impossible?

As long as you can put 3 machines on a pipe, you can do a manifold

[ivory condor]

0.5 fps achieved

[severe cliff]

if i’m sending 2000 thru a pipe that can only hold 600 pm i don’t think it’ll work well

[zealous urchin]

u think ai slop would increase this to 0.61?

[ivory condor]

Yes but it'll be such a mess with tons of image artifacts it will visually far worse than running it native and the lag will somehow be worse to

[silk ocean]

KYO, 6 hours later, reclaimed 10 sloops... xD

[zealous urchin]

asked for a butcher knife and they gave me scalpel ahhh

[silk ocean]

I'm kinda redesigning areas of the base where I remove them

[sterile blade]

Well, yeah...
Very few recipes output more than 300 fluid/min though, none more than 600/min (and none do any of this at standard clocks). Things work out similarly with solids, though there's a lot more variance there ofc

Interestingly, even with MK2 pipes, it might actually be impossible to keep a machine running at 100% if it's trying to output 300/min or more

[silk ocean]

Some of these base modifications do feel forensic in nature

[hard ivy]

I wonder how long until we have 100% AI generated frames XD

The models are no longer image to image but game engine data to image

[silk ocean]

Start playing the game but it could go in any direction.... start with Satisfactory, end up playing DOOM

[ocean frost]

how long till we can run DOOM on ai

[silk ocean]

Probably could do already xD

[ocean frost]

i saw doom on excel one time

[silk ocean]

Some Redditor was running it on his fridge

[zealous urchin]

from philosophical view never

its essentialy askingfor the system to predict its internal state and impact of external forces simultaneously
also humans cant comprehend themselves fully so us making something with unparalleled predictive processing capability is very unlikely and its understatement
not to mention the nature of AI being ultimately based on guessing, it needs any input and data to predict since it cant generate anything itself, i can see why it would accompany normal generative model but being solely engine of the system? i find it contradictory with cognitivism

[silk ocean]

Deep

Who wants 100% AI slop frames anyways... 90% acceptable xD

[hard ivy]

I'm talking about AI generating frames not the game itself.

So I'm talking about replacing the renderer with AI. The renderer in the GPU takes some data from the computer/game and produces frames.

So you train an AI model to turn that data into images. Just like they can turn text into images.

There's no philosophy involved here

[silk ocean]

Basically an extension of DLSS extended to the rasterizer

Extension of framegen

I'm sure a well trained model could generate in-game scenes based on technical data

[zealous urchin]

if u put it like that i think its doable

however it would take immense resources to train ai like that

[dense violet]

I think it'd take a shit ton more processing power than just whatever game framework needs >.>

not even to Train the ai, just to run it.

plus whatever latency from where ever it's processed cause you're not going to run that ai on your computer

[silk ocean]

It could have access to the full asset library as well, models and textures. So it's not just inventing on the fly what a Manufacturer looks like for example, it can decide that one goes here and pull that data from the asset repository, so a combination of a generated scene and using known objects

[dense violet]

another reason to cheer the incoming bubble burst

[zealous urchin]

invention made too soon?

[dense violet]

they want a generalist AI and are trying to make a language model do it. Not going to cut it

[south sinew]

they are trying to switch to world models etc, but who knows how much success this will have

[dense violet]

they are just burning money until the ycan generate a profit and no one wants this. It's why they are cramming it down your throats.

My understanding is even the subscrition users are losing them money

like, lots

the funniest bit was that it was reported people thanking the chat bots was costing them tons of money xD

well, my favourite bit if not the funniest

[south sinew]

This can't work (in the way you might want) because how the game looks is a lot more than just art assets; there's tons of shader code and other complicated things going on. The AI can't ingest these in the same way. The only way it might work is if you trained the AI to produce exactly photorealistic images because there's enough training data for that, but then you'd basically say that no game can have its own art style, etc.

[dense violet]

yeah, they'd have to make so much money really soon to not sink and who has that much money to spend on ai?

they'd actually have to make them extremely reliable employees replacings millions and millions of jobs. Which isn't going to happen.

[zealous urchin]

one thing filling me with disdain that so much is given to this

[silk ocean]

and in roughly 5 years they gonna have to be replacing all the hardware with newer generations etc xD

[zealous urchin]

like assigning "bigger than life aura" to allure of AI

for what

[short root]

I wanted to buy more storage, guess I won't.

[south sinew]

that's the bit that gets me the most; they have such limited time windows to pay back those investments

[silk ocean]

It's not long yea

[short root]

No storage = no buying new games because no space. But on the other side, I still can play Satisfactory.

Thank you AI bubble.

[silk ocean]

Fortunately price rises don't seem to have hit flash memory... yet

At least not significantly

[short root]

They have already by 35% here.

[golden nexus]

It happens now and then, whats causing the shortage?

[silk ocean]

:/

AI buildout

[golden nexus]

Last time this has happened i remember ram going up 8x in price one day. Which was due to an earth quake shutting the factory for a few weeks

[short root]

I remember this vaguely

But this time they say it will take longer because the demand is too big simply.

[golden nexus]

thats also when 128MB of ram was £150+

[short root]

I remember the times when new hardware was announced and then reduced in price continually over time. You could buy games and stuff whenever you got your paycheck. Now it's a gamble.

[golden nexus]

it lso happens when factories reconfigure

[short root]

We don't reconfigure factories, we build new ones and let the old ones run

[silk ocean]

Like every other post lately in /r/pcmasterrace is DRAM related xD

[golden nexus]

not how it works 😛

Its quite common if you do bulk buying of computer hardware you need the order to be part of the production run. Especially for things like motherboards. Since a batch will only run once between versions.

I know this because i had to order 10,000 motherboards before lmao

[short root]

I wonder why we have no motherboard item in Satisfactory.

[golden nexus]

Wehave circuit board

[short root]

Yes but a motherboard is a bit more complex than that.

[silk ocean]

and High Speed Connector... (NIC? xD)

[short root]

True, but the computers work on circuit boards alone afaik

[silk ocean]

Motherboards are presumably in Computers and Super Computers

[golden nexus]

motherboards kinda got more simpler in recent years, more and more of it has been moved into the cpu and south bridge moved into the north bridge

[short root]

I guess the computers in Satisfactory have a different architecture than what we know

[dense violet]

probably.

[short root]

It's a simple life.

3 parts and the computer runs

... on a belt.

[dense violet]

I wonder how SF+ mod handles computers xD

[golden nexus]

build the mouse, they keyboard, the screen, the case, the mb, the network card, the wireless card, the cpu 😛

[short root]

Help. Nuclear is already complex enough.

[dense violet]

it really isn't

[silk ocean]

It's just quite involved

[dense violet]

even the alt recipes that add complexity for uranium savings are pretty straight forward

basically more smaller steps

[golden nexus]

its just time consuming

biggest mistake you can do with nuclear is approach it "I am going to use ALL the uranium"

[silk ocean]

If you only go as far as Uranium, reprocessing and sinking the Plutonium Rods, it's really not that bad

Ficsonium is much more work

[dense violet]

ficsonium rods are punishment for people who burn plutonium rods, and rightly so

[short root]

I said complex, not complicated.
But yes using one overclocked normal uranium node is so much work.

[silk ocean]

...if you include all of the support factories that you need to build

[golden nexus]

sink the plutonium rods into drones help 😛

[silk ocean]

I got it online over the weekend xD

[short root]

Yes but have you tried sleeping.

[silk ocean]

Sleep what's that <eye twitches>

[short root]

Look how he doesn't blink

[hard ivy]

If the pioneer doesn't need sleep why would I

[short root]

The pioneer doesn't need a lot of what normal humans need. We have never seen her face. Maybe she is not human

[silk ocean]

Having spent probably a week working on nuclear I can conclude that for the power output... it's marginally possibly just not frickin worth it xD

[short root]

I do nuclear only because of the fun when it finally runs

[hard ivy]

It was before the devs added rocket fuel

[silk ocean]

It's super exciting

[silk ocean]

Yea, much quicker to just build rocket fuel plants

[dense violet]

a lot of small sections working together. Not very complicated.

and this is more complicated cause I'm using some resource saving recipes like recycled plubber https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=09bkzqtsqiylts229pWu

[short root]

I did it once in update 8 with sinking plutonium fuel rods for a full normal uranium node at 250%, i.e., 600 uranium, and I am doing it currently again after having finished the game with rocket fuel but this time I want the ficsonium loop.

[short root]

I did the recycled rubber and plastic once. It's definitely more complicated, yes!

[silk ocean]

It's worth doing for the challenge and something to do yea, it's satisfying when it's all up and running and self sustaining

[hard ivy]

But for 4.5 times the efficiency, it's more than worth it

If only Ficsonium was 4.5 times more efficient

[dense violet]

there's ways of dumbing down the complexity

if you need both plastic and rubber with it, make 2 seperate systems working backwards. One that the final output is plastic, one that is rubber

[silk ocean]

My nuclear plant isn't even that big... currently 218,750 MW

[ivory condor]

ewww ficsonium

[dense violet]

that makes it much simpler since you just work backwards

[short root]

My issue with Ficsonium is the SAM need, this limits the recycling capacity a lot

[ivory condor]

if only FFRs didn't totally suck

[dense violet]

yeah it's not really intended to do fuill nuclear to ficsonium

[short root]

Takling a production line from both sides is what I regularly do, good tip! Did not do it with the recycled recipes though, yet.

[dense violet]

you'll find it makes your life easier

you know if your final output of rubber is like... 1150, you know you need 575 plastic in the previous step, then 287.5 and so forth

and you can design that system, that isn't trading with your final plastic system, much more neatly

[short root]

When I build my next factory with plastic and rubber, I will remember your tip.
Sounds like this technique could also work with quartz purification. Took some time to get the numbers there, too.
But you need to verify the input capacity, too... Hmm.

[dense violet]

I think that one is a bit different since the silica is just a waste product. So you make an expected Crystal output, and you can then make a static X silica pm from the waste

[short root]

yeah guess you are right

[dense violet]

the trick there would be you might need more silica than the waste output can make so you'd have to generate more Crystal and waste some, or make silica with a different recipe

like in that example you could just make up the supplementary silica with Cheap Silica or even the base recipe

[short root]

True. In my case, it was enough of both so far.

I just wanted to do it once.

[dense violet]

yeah and you can look at your results in satisfactory tools really easily. Made some cool Silica CB + Crystal computer plans with it 😄

[short root]

I use it regularly for these reasons, greeny did really good work.

[dense violet]

I hope to make a big electronics factory with those recipes and the crystal purification recipes

[short root]

The crystal purification was very satisfactory, although I did a small mistake in the water recycling on the first try.

[dense violet]

did you not keep the waste water split from the fresh? 😛

[short root]

No I like the recycling with VIP junctions although I know it can be dangerous

McGalleon did a good job with his fluid guide tho

[dense violet]

well it's a design choice and VIPs can work. But I don't like relying on voodoo

[dense violet]

and just as a thing Mcgal has disowned VIPs 😛

publicly.
at least twice

[short root]

The issue that I had once was mixing different pipelines on a VIP, this does not work well

[dense violet]

you mean multiple system's waste waters ?

[short root]

Yes, I have one battery factory in my aluminium plant where I recycle two waste water and have one fresh water supply. ☠️

[dense violet]

and now you know better

[short root]

It did not work on the first try.

And also not on the second.

But now it works.

[dense violet]

Keep fluid systems as seperate as possible.
also multi VIP junctions are known to not work

like if you stack them on top of each other

[short root]

It's one large VIP with three stages.

[hard ivy]

Yeah, even I wouldn't trust that

And I use regular VIPs extensively

[short root]

It eventually worked. When I replaced all pipes to the same

[dense violet]

xD

[short root]

But I don't know whether this was really clever. Yeah.

I get that it works now, somehow, but it's fiddly and we'll... You don't need to tell me what I did was... yeah... I just wanted to try it.

[hard ivy]

The best idea for VIPs is to find one design that works and then copy paste it whenever you need it.

If it worked properly once, it'll work every time. Or at least that's my experience

[short root]

The first issue I think was that the pumps were not on the same height, which lead to different head lifts mixing and overwriting. The second issue was that mixing different pipes when sloshing occurs leads to the max throughout limiting the sloshing capacity, which kills the throughout temporarily from the feeding pipe, which leads to the fresh supply to override.

[dense violet]

eh, just keep wastes and fresh split. You'll have to with things like Dark Matter Residue anyway since VIPs don't work on gasses - plus any change to pipe systems could completely murder every VIP that exists

Not that I have an altar with minor sacrifices for this in my room or anything

[fluid sapphire]

and there is a chance that with 1.2 they could break

[short root]

I keep my pipe systems separate at least. Because this would be unmaintainable.

[short root]

You tell me they fixed fluids?

[hard ivy]

I'm hoping 1.2 makes them redundant, but not broken

[fluid sapphire]

they imply that they "fixed" them, whatever that means

[dense violet]

they might be changing them.

which could murder vips

[silk ocean]

Does anyone know why sometimes splitters etc will snap to the inputs of machines with CTRL, and sometimes they don't ?

[fluid sapphire]

we simply dont know

[short root]

I was referring to this reference. I mean the fixed fluids.

[dense violet]

it could just be the fluid truck 😛

[short root]

Not really but I think the snapping can interfere with other machines and buildables close by

[fluid sapphire]

fr though, i think the game wouldnt be any worse if all the arcane behavior of liquids was simply removed entirely

[short root]

I like fiddling with fluids tbh

[fluid sapphire]

it just doesnt fit at all with how the rest of the game works

[silk ocean]

Gotcha

[dense violet]

eh, you can maintain reliable 600 flow pipes as long as you follow some basics
turning them to belts would just suck ass

[fluid sapphire]

i wouldnt have an issue if the system was transparent

but it being as opaque and arcane as it is isnt great

[short root]

I like how looping pipes or feeding from both sides works so nicely often, this is not possible with belts.

[short root]

Yeah the tricks the system doesn't tell you make it a science for itself to deal with it.

[fluid sapphire]

problem is the game doesnt explain any of this to you

yess

[short root]

It's like the game favors exploration and exploitation literally.

[fluid sapphire]

sure, but it just isnt in line with how intuitively other systems work

[short root]

Which brings me back to the fixed fluids "promise"

[dense violet]

lots of games need wikis for indepth stuff

[fluid sapphire]

we shall see

[hard ivy]

It doesn't explain many other things

The main issue is that the feedback you get from looking at the pipes doesn't in any way lead you to figure out how to fix the issues

[dense violet]

if your bar is 'anything that would need a wiki is bad' that's like.. huge swathes of very good games that are actually terrible

[short root]

Oh we have awakened the McGalleon

[green fiber]

The pipe system could do with a tweak to make behaviour more consistent, plus some bug fixes

[fluid sapphire]

i am no stranger to using wikis, and its true that its kind of inevitable for a game like this

[green fiber]

I think the system in theory is fine.... but it does have issues that absolutely can ruin it

[hard ivy]

You could do what modded Minecraft does: put the wiki in the game

[green fiber]

If everything was bug free and finetuned a bit more, i think it would be a great semi-realistic pipe system

[fluid sapphire]

maybe an in-game codex? (one thats more comprehensive)

[short root]

One aspect for me is that especially because the fluid system is not straightforward, it provides more dopamine release when it actually works. More satisfaction.

[green fiber]

But with some of the current issues it isnt that fun when you approach the limits on the system or just... do some piping that the game doesnt support due to the way its tuned right now

[short root]

If it was too easy, it would not be as satisfactory.

[fluid sapphire]

well, it can be easy, its just not transparent with its expectations

[green fiber]

The difficulty is fine imo. But the consistency isnt there yet

[short root]

This, exactly.

[green fiber]

And some things are a but TOO opaque or abstract

Many people think the flow indicator has to be full if the pipe is at max flow.

But thats not true if the pipe goes downwards

The indicator measures the static pressure in the pipe essentially

Moving fluid is not accounted for

It doesnt actually exist in the pipe in some sense

[short root]

It's more a "filling from bottom" approach

Not a "moving fluid" approach.

This helps me to tackle some stuff to imagine this.

I think the more filled a segment, the more "pressure" it puts to adjacent segments with lower fill.

And this way the "fluid moves".

And pumps subdivide the pipe network.

With each subdivision having its own head lift.

That's how I imagine it.

[fluid sapphire]

i thought a single pump gave headlift to an entire network

[short root]

Only to the part after the pump in direction

[fluid sapphire]

hmmmmm

ya fair

[green fiber]

Pumps only give headlift to the output network and ONLY if the pipes are full

[short root]

Else you would not need multiple pumps in sequential distance to transfer to large heights.

[green fiber]

partially full or empty pipes get no head lift and they break this chain along the entire network

Headlift is a chain and the weakest link in that chain are offshoots from junctions

[short root]

Well pumps also "pull" from storages and pressure the outputting pipe to be full, even when the source pipe is not full anymore.

[green fiber]

Which is why im not entirely a fan of water towers
They only work if the chain never breaks

Pumps can split the chain up into smaller segments and thus some dont have to care about each other anymore

[green fiber]

They dont pull, the buffer pushes

The buffer just no longer has to fight gravity, the pump does that for it now

[short root]

I never have used a water tower tbh. I like pumps.

[fluid sapphire]

water towers are the single most useless construction you can make in this game

i will die on this hill

[short root]

I have to think about why this differs to the pump pulling.

[hard ivy]

I hope they hired someone with a degree in game design to rewrite their pipe code rather than someone with a degree in hydrodynamics

[dense violet]

ehhhh, debatable.

[green fiber]

They are for showing off imo.
If you dont have the skill for it you dont get to show off

[dense violet]

I'm not sure there's a skill to it really? just a buffer on a high point and a valve set to zero.

[fluid sapphire]

what could possibly be a more useless contraption?

[short root]

I don't think I can recycle water with a VIP and crave for danger with water towers

[dense violet]

I think injection manifolds are about as silly. More fiddly for no real benefit and layout restrictions

it's still multiple manifolds just with more hoops you can entirely avoid with clocking a bit

[fluid sapphire]

injection manifolds can be practical if a particular layout is the goal

[hard ivy]

I was gonna say a n:1 balancer but no, those can be used to build bigger balancers, and those are useful for trains

[fluid sapphire]

but true

[short root]

You mean the design that allows you to process more items per minute in a manifold than you could have used with your current belt speed? It solves issues in early game

[dense violet]

you get more flexibility with layout without them plus at most you might be able to reduce machine count if you're over clocking everything. But that's it

[hard ivy]

You can just do multiple manifolds and it's significantly easier to build

[short root]

Okay true.

[dense violet]

injection manifolds are still just multiple manifolds connected up.
you could just have 2 independent manifolds clocked to use what's on the 2 belts without connecting them

[fluid sapphire]

i would still say it depends on the desired layout, sometimes an injection manifold is the way to go

[short root]

But sometimes I noticed too late and then the injection manifold was here to my help

[ivory condor]

What if they hire someone with a phd in hydrodynamics and they decide to fully implement navier stokes equations for pipes

[green fiber]

There is a skill to it.
Knowing enough about the system to know when they will work and when not.

I will go out on a limb here and say its kinda like that one Bell curve meme

Bottom end of the curve:"Pump good"

Middle peak: "WATER TOWER SUPREMACY"

High end of the curve: "Pump good"

[dense violet]

... is there? you just connect up a pipe to a junction with a zero flow valve.
Am I missing something here about them?

Like I thought I knew exactly how they worked, am I just mistaken on this?

[fluid sapphire]

its useful when the numbers between the two belts are not split perfectly, but its true that you could just as easily solve this problem by changing clock speeds

[short root]

Water towers prevent some advanced and more or less dangerous layouts.

Which is why I never use them. They limit my freedom

[dense violet]

clocking is just the most powerful logistics tool you have in this game in terms of layout and design.
it's the multi tool that will essentially solve problems before they come up

[mortal ginkgo]

real alpha 100% male men uses pipes to transfer screws made by cast screw recipe.

[fluid sapphire]

my angle is that its simply an aesthetic choice, not a practical one

[dense violet]

I would argue you could get the exact same aesthetics just with clocking and not having the connecting points between the manifolds

I can't think of an example where not having manifolds link would restrict the layout

I'd be happy to be proven wrong on this. But I can't come up with one

[short root]

Like the biomass burner layout?

When it "runs empty"?

[dense violet]

I'm not sure what you mean sorry

[idle glen]

anyone got a list of values for materials for AWSOME sink?

[dense violet]

the wiki page for the sink would

[short root]

I mean biomass burners should ideally be not build with a manifold layout but with a, er, how is it called when you don't use manifold but split equally?

[dense violet]

load balancer?

not sure why you wouldn't use a manifold, it'll over flow anyway

[short root]

Because when your biomass empties, they would gradually shut down with a manifold and need much time to restart to 100 % again, whereas with a load balancer (thank you) it starts to run at 100% immediately after shutdown

My biomass burners actually use a load balancer therefore

[dense violet]

ehhh I guess? I just never ran out of bio fuel

[short root]

Of course this can work, but I have the achievement of a trapped fuse

[dense violet]

I don't think it would take long for the bio burners to refill but sure, that' is a point for load balancers there. I'd probably still just hand fill it quickly. It's not like you have many bio burners

[fluid sapphire]

i dont mean in terms of restrictions for the layout, simply how the belts themselves are laid out, i dont actually use injection manifolds that often, the best example i have is the second floor here, with the splitters on top of one another and lifts pointing inwards

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1450460863504060476

[short root]

It's not that it doesn't work with a manifold, it just starts up faster with a load balancer setup.

[dense violet]

trapped fuse?

[short root]

Sorry blown fuse it's called. English is not my native language.

[dense violet]

I guess, but other than the linked up splitters/merges on top of each other, I'm not sure what the difference would be in belt layout if they jsut went to their dedicated manifolds?

[dense violet]

I think you were looking for 'tripped fuse'

[fluid sapphire]

the difference is that this way there are more belts total, which is an aesthetic choice like i said

it just looks different

[leaden arch]

I just want to apologize for our abundant and incessantly obtuse phrasal verbs

[short root]

I tripped over Dark Matter Trap and had confusion of da highest orda. Such similar words in English.

[hard ivy]

A 30 gen manifold fed with a mk2 belt of solid biofuel takes over 5h to fill so yeah

[dense violet]

that's like 90% of english, gotta learn it sometime 😛

I was lucky when I had to learn english, was at that age where you pick up language like it's nothing

[hard ivy]

Would be under 3.5h with smart splitters tho

[short root]

I learn and use it since 25 years now and I still have difficulties. Although playing Satisfactory in German does not help when talking to you people in English, because I have to translate everything that I know every time forth and back, all recipes, items, names, etc.

[dense violet]

Ah, well I was 8 when I learned english in an english only speaking country. Was reading fine after 3 months.

if you're going to learn a language, that's the age to do it

[hard ivy]

That's why you play the game in English.

English is my second language too but the only time I play the game in my first language is when the devs are from my country and therefore the English version is the translation

[short root]

I have to correct myself, I learn and use it for 30 years already but not in an English speaking country.

[fluid sapphire]

@dense violet well i guess they could be unlinked and look the same more or less, but i do like how the flow ended up looking, and i guess the real reason they are linked is my choice between this and changing clock speeds

[dense violet]

the immersion really helps xD

[dense violet]

fair 🙂

[short root]

Most games here are well translated tbh.

[fluid sapphire]

all of those machines are clocked to the same speed and the belts do not support that, so link :p

[short root]

On the one side, I want to play games to relax. Learning languages is not relaxing. On the other side, I play Satisfactory. Where I have to think a lot.

I cannot play it always.

[dense violet]

scratches that planning itch 😛
I like working out the plans to a layout that fits with the architecture

[short root]

I like the automation, belt and pipe network, less the logistics for longer distances because I think they are a bit cumbersome. The architecture is a bit my weakness tbh.

I often limit myself with too few space, then I build vertically or split manifolds around.

[silk ocean]

Is English easy to learn? It's my 1st language so I don't really know how it scales

[dense violet]

architecture takes practice and planning yeah 🙂

[hard ivy]

Eh, after 15 years of learning English, I encounter a new word roughly once a month

[dense violet]

if you're looking for explicit rules how things work? no, it's very dumb with lots of exceptions and different ways to spell things.
in other ways it's kinda easy

[silk ocean]

Lots of exceptions yea

[dense violet]

read read red for example. Just dumb

[silk ocean]

Quite a lot of it relies on context for sure

[short root]

I forget too fast when it's not nexus. I remember relations and connections, not detail.

I remember things that make sense and are logical. Languages are not imo.

[golden nexus]

Like ratio?

[short root]

In what context?

[golden nexus]

Like the gam,e you remember the ratio's / abstractions of the thing. not the thing its self

[short root]

Yes! Well not the ratios of complex recipes tho, but yes, the abstractions, the systems, the concepts.

[dreamy shoal]

what tools do you guys use to plan?

[hard ivy]

When the language has rules, exceptions to the rules and exceptions to the exceptions to the rules, it's definitely not easy

[hard ivy]

http://satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[short root]

Which is why I rarely have issues with pipes, and when I do, I always can fix them eventually by myself and find out what was wrongly designed.

[short root]

http://satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production for planning recipes
https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map for reviewing the map and savegame

[dreamy shoal]

yeah i was using that its just a little funky

[silk ocean]

I can imagine yea xD

[hard ivy]

Funky... how?

[dreamy shoal]

just lots of recipes

[hard ivy]

That's the game XD

[reef basin]

I mean... those are in the game

[short root]

Only those that are in game

[fluid sapphire]

enable the ones you want, disable the ones you dont

[dreamy shoal]

just seeing other options to see if one works better for me

[hard ivy]

Nah, enable all, then disable the ones you don't want

[fluid sapphire]

i dont need the tool to tell me the optimal recipes, i am capable of making my own choices with zero regard to whats optimal

[reef basin]

nah, disable the ones you want

[dreamy shoal]

i've been doing this

bigger number is more better has been how i've been doing it

[fluid sapphire]

convenience can matter more than resource efficiency

[dense violet]

it's probably the most powerful option. Takes a little bit to learn but tons of options and very fast to use

[ocean frost]

Try a few see what works for you, I use https://store.steampowered.com/app/3187030/Satisfactory_Modeler/

Helps me to see the different ways I can build something, most tools can be overwhelming if you just started.

[short root]

And sometimes its fun to try out new recipes or combine resources that are locally available instead of using optimal recource efficiency

[fluid sapphire]

sftools is the simplest there is

[hard ivy]

I mean those are the same thing in like 80% of cases

[fluid sapphire]

i actually like OC supercomputer

[ocean frost]

The in game search tool is the best for a new starter

[short root]

Did you ever underclock all buildings to 1 % for maximum power efficiency? I did not.

[dreamy shoal]

i just added an extreme amount of power so eff doessnt matter :D👍

[ocean frost]

downgrade and use the bug where you don't need any power to run a machine

[dreamy shoal]

for research purposes.. how does one do this?

[short root]

I think this doesn't work on Epic, downgrading.

[short root]

Its possible on Steam with Steam Console afaik

But I wouldn't recommend it for Satisfactory

The QoL updates are strong with this game.

[dreamy shoal]

fs

[ocean frost]

ask someone on steam to do it for you

or https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/

or Email Anton Westbergh CEO

[fluid sapphire]

or ping a moderator (dont)

[ocean frost]

or buy Coffee Stain Group shares and ask at the next AGM

[dense violet]

just use the Advanced Game Settings in game to not need power to skip a huge part of the game

[fluid sapphire]

just use AGS to generate the BWDs you need

[short root]

Actually the game costed less money for me than the power it costed me to run this game.

[dreamy shoal]

Nah, i was just kidding but I do want a better power system that isnt poles just everywhere 😂

[dense violet]

that's real talk

[dense violet]

wiring things up is how it's going to go

[dreamy shoal]

yea

[short root]

What do you have against poles? They make look the factories much more wired.

What I find difficult at times is to correctly lay out priority power switches.

[dense violet]

wall sockets also make things much easier when you get them

you can hide them and clip them through things easily

[short root]

I miss double sided ceiling sockets so much.

[dense violet]

make a BP of 2 regular sockets connected up

could make them for all foundation widths

[short root]

Every time I have to go through a wall, no prob, double sided wall socket. But going from one floor to another is pain.

[dreamy shoal]

uhhh i've seen these.. I havent touched htem yet 👀

I just take my main powering power things on different grids so it doesnt go down

[dense violet]

they aren't something you have to use, but are useful for putting in between yoru power station and rest of the grid

[short root]

They helped me the one or other tripped fuse.

[dreamy shoal]

oh

[silk ocean]

Possibly over half of native English speakers don't know most exceptions so you probably don't have anything to worry about xD

[hard ivy]

I would say that correct power switch placement is nowhere

[dreamy shoal]

using trains as your power poles is the true meta move

[dense violet]

oh sure. But in general all you have to do is disconnect yoru power station from the main grid and flip the switch, as the fuel will not be burnt

[dense violet]

ehh, careful with that, if you go to edit yoru rail system you can crash your world

[fluid sapphire]

all you have to do is build enough power, and some storage not to worry about tripping your grid - ergo switches are pointless

[dense violet]

I always run power lines under may rail

[short root]

Only works when there is enough fuel left, but when the switch flips because you made a mistake in fuel production and all power generators ran out of fuel, kickstarting this becomes... interesting...

And then having priority power switches gracefully laid down can save you. At least some time.

[dense violet]

well if your power station is running at 100% there should be all the fuel left in all the buffers once the breaker is tripped.

It's not that priority power switches are useless, but ... they have limited value

[short root]

I like the big power towers since they are a thing

[zealous urchin]

place random power towers across all map and connect everything 20 times, u cant mess this up

[silk ocean]

20 redundant power grids 🤣

[short root]

Not sure what you mean. When your production fails, for example, because you made a mistake in the fuel or uranium production so that a byproduct clogs, then your fuel source is empty. Power can trip for two reasons, you build too much and draw too much power or your fuel source becomes empty. The first issue is quickly fixed, the second issue is much more problematic, because all power generators are empty and the fuel production first has to be kickstarted.

[fluid sapphire]

this whole mess is avoided by building 8000 units of power storage

[dense violet]

oh if you have an issue with your actual power system sure, but not sure how the priority switch will help in that case

[short root]

Not when these are drained and you didn't notice.

[dreamy shoal]

who needs power when you have power storage

[fluid sapphire]

8000 units take a long time to drain

i had no power generation for close to 300 hours

[dreamy shoal]

thats terrible

i love it

[fluid sapphire]

not at all, i planned for it

[short root]

The less important factories are shut down so that when you laied out your power networks correctly, you can kickstart the fuel production easily since the tier one power production is enough to kickstart the tier two fuel production, and so on. So only fuel production is powered until there is enough power again for the remaining factories.

[short root]

thats... INSANE 🥁

[fluid sapphire]

yessir

i made the power bank and a material sorter and deleted everything else off my map and started over, the bank lasted me enough to set up everything i needed to build my new power plant, all with a very laid back tempo

[short root]

Oh and the priority powr switch helps when you build too much because when the fuel production is correctly setup, it is self-sustained, i.e., it keeps running while less important factories are shutdown, but never your power production. So the fuse never blows there.

[zealous urchin]

power switch is good for messing with particle accelerators

[short root]

That's a sick way to create a deadline.

[short root]

Especially when overclocked to 250 % and slooped 4x

[fluid sapphire]

it was a very generous deadline hehh

but yes, after each factory i built, the tempo (drain rate) accelerated a little, that was fun

[short root]

I recommend to overclock to 250 % and sloop 4x to save time, so that you are quicker

[fluid sapphire]

hehhhehh

[silk ocean]

Some of the spaghetti factories posted on Reddit are mildly horrifying

[vast whale]

How do you all organize everything? Do you have different areas for manufacturing? I’m just looking to organize and clean up a little bit.
Some pointers would be appreciated

[reef basin]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[feral dragon]

I might be way off here but are there public servers where you can claim a slot on the map and build on? Or is it 1-4 co-op only?

[south sinew]

I put everything in one place and just belted all the resources in

[reef basin]

people usually don't open servers to public, as you can easily grief them

[feral dragon]

Yea I see that, I was curious if there was a modded version with claimed tiles or similar

[reef basin]

maybe, idk. Usually you want the whole map available anyway, due to assymetry of resources and such

[dense violet]

you could check out the mod web page? but haven't heard of anything like that

[reef basin]

SF just isn't really designed for something like that

[ivory condor]

I don't know of all mods but off hand, at least with the custom maps I have seen, nothing comes close to what your asking unfortunately

probably because as others have said, this game really wasnt designed with those mechanics in mind

[feral dragon]

Yea I guess, thinking about it, the nodes would be a hard fight to get lol

Why I ask is that I have nobody to play with so trying to find some public

[ivory condor]

well dedicated pubs usually are people playing together and not fighting over the map

pretty common in dedicated servers for multiple people to even work in the same biome together

[green fiber]

Not to mention most projects/saves tend to go on for hundreds of hours

[glacial mountain]

this game needs official power slug merch

[dense violet]

it exists

[glacial mountain]

wait what

of power slugs?

[dense violet]

in the merch shop you can buy power slugs

[glacial mountain]

WHAT

OHH i see now

[ivory condor]

https://lizarddoggo.com/products/mini-magnetic-plush?variant=43224144937159

[glacial mountain]

awh they're small
but magnetic

Thank you

[ivory condor]

thought i would link if you were interested

[fierce holly]

Hi everyone

[glacial mountain]

i am
going to buy a bunch of them
and my house will be covered in them

[dense violet]

you could totally get a custom big one made by some crafty person

[glacial mountain]

also a good idea

[unkempt blade]

I want some of the factory carts on there but I don't think I can afford my vision

[ivory condor]

https://lizarddoggo.com/products/satisfactory-factory-cart-building-block-set?_pos=1&_sid=2346659eb&_ss=r

the factory cart looks pretty cool

[meager kiln]

can someone sanity check me on this. ive been thinking of trains trying to hit multiple drop offs in a row. but i could just do an A-> B -> A -> C, where a is my supply and b/c are demand. or do most people just do A->B trains, and thats it

i have a versatile framework factory, but i think its only really got enough output to supply the one factory i want. so maybe i do just do a-b and call it a day. and the benefit was i could do the framework factory near where the main materials i need are. but the other factory can be by any iron pretty much

[nocturne warren]

can i put a somersloop in a nuclear reactor for double the waste

[fierce granite]

could have one train go A to B to C, just have B and C take from different train cars if you would want to do it that way

[nova lynx]

is it worth automating everything or just certain items

because i need rotors and reinforced plates and i dont have enough iron to do that

[hard ivy]

basically everything is worth automating

[nova lynx]

so what do i do about the iron issue

[hard ivy]

find more?

[nova lynx]

also why is there no vcs here

oh ok

[hard ivy]

the map has 120+ iron nodes

[round crown]

Make more iron

[meager kiln]

i was thinking that but i made my train stations too small. only fit 1 cargo thing per. i coudl try to redo it. but im kinda over trains... i might just do a-b if i need, but stick to long belts tbh. they arent working quite the way i wanted them to. i need circuitry or filtered slots like factorio i think. mabye next play through

[stray inlet]

any tips when making a megabase for the first time?

[meager kiln]

never did but i suggest planning like crazy. ive seen people use layout tools to make sure everything fits the way they want. i think im going to try to make all the blueprints i want, then get the grid dimenions to use in a tool

[broken quarry]

early on dont focus on looking pretty atleast pre tier 3

[upbeat jacinth]

just realized the ADA jingle is just the windows input error jingle sped up

[broken quarry]

I made that mistake after tier 3 I built proper factories and this tool has been my crutch

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[frigid rain]

Plan it out where you want things, the easiest way to create a bowl of spaghetti is not planning out your megabase.

[broken quarry]

mega base? how big we talking?

[meager kiln]

when did you start mega basing? after all milestones done?

[broken quarry]

I havent lol, but from what ive been told its the easiest with wet concrete

Im tier 4 rn

but early game was rough

on my first playthrough I got to like tier 6

[meager kiln]

Gotcha gotcha. Im working phase 4 right now . Still figuring how i want to do it. For phase 3 , each part got it's own warehouse

I think I might just do the same. Except I'll build in 2 or 3 towers instead of 1 tall tower

[broken quarry]

yea thats the key merging is bad especially when you need to amp up your production

are you overclocking?

[meager kiln]

What do u mean merging?
And not really. I've been trying to underclock unless I get to the end , realize I fucked up... Then I oc

Actually I think I might train plastic . And aluminum but that might be it.. Those seem annoying to build around

[broken quarry]

like using a factory designed to make Rplates to make Rplates and then trying to build logic to make smart plates. that doesn't work to well in my experience I make each part then move them to new a new factory.

[meager kiln]

Sorry, being dense.. But when you say move... Like you'll just pipe/belt/train the outputs of that factory into the next and it just becomes part of the new one kinda ?

[broken quarry]

yea like right now Im making 30 rplates/min and Im making 24 rotors /min I take the output of the factories and then transport them and start making smart plates

[meager kiln]

Ahh gotcha . And then they are just part of the new. I was thinking like my rplates would be my sole plate factory and I would split that to wherever needed

But I don't have the scale really for that

[broken quarry]

Im trying to get to 100 Rplates /min but I need rotors first

[meager kiln]

That'd be solid. All my products feel like a trickle atm lol. I was so proud of my little steel factory but it's only like 75/min of each

[broken quarry]

whats your bottle kneck lol

I've been using satisfactory tools and it plans most of it out for me I just do the logistics.

[south sinew]

100 reinforced plates/min is probably way more than you really need

[meager kiln]

size/scale

im like, oh ya 12 machines feels like a big build. ill do taht

[broken quarry]

100% I just like big numbers

[south sinew]

Satisfactory just isn't really a big numbers game

[meager kiln]

i keep hearing that but i see the big builds where its a big numbers game :p

[south sinew]

they just involve big pain yes ;p

[broken quarry]

with how much nuclear waste I've seen people produce I disagree

are you still able to drive it off a cliff or is that patched?

[meager kiln]

ive been using this 4x4 bp to build an 8x8 tower. and bascially not going any bigger than that size for 1 item in my chain

im thinking that might not be big enough for some of this stuff

[broken quarry]

once you need the space build up lol

thats what I was told to do

[meager kiln]

ive been more confining my x-y, requiring me to go up

but i think i should go bigger on the x-y before i go up

[broken quarry]

fair enough

[placid dew]

in 8 hours i will be able to get phase 4, any tips?

[broken quarry]

8 hours total? and you're close to phase 4? or you are asking when you will get there?

[cyan mesa]

he means he will finish phase 3 in 8 hours

[placid dew]

yes

[broken quarry]

oh

[honest sleet]

ree plutonium alt recipes go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[broken quarry]

oh I just read that really wrong lmao

[fluid sapphire]

phase 4 is big. dont get intimidated. divide and conquer

[unkempt blade]

yeah and use lots of vehicles to maximize fun!

[fluid sapphire]

particularly factory carts, and to some extent trains (fully embrace trains, they are the best long distance logistics tool you have)

you can mostly get by in phase 3 by not branching out much, expect that to change in phase 4

[broken quarry]

how many Rplates is it good to have in storage?

I have like 10k rn

I feel like its not enough

[hard ivy]

the more relevant number is how many you're making

[broken quarry]

30/min

[hard ivy]

a single (industrial) container of storage is more than enough for most things if you're making enough

[meager kiln]

how so?

[glacial kestrel]

Is there a way to quickly rotate a spliiter/merger?

[meager kiln]

after its placed? or while youre placing it

[glacial kestrel]

After ye

Or do i remove and place it again?

[meager kiln]

not that i know of but that woudl be awesome if you could

[fluid sapphire]

There's a lot of resources you need that are more spread out, like aluminum, nitrogen, you will also probably want different oil processing in different locations, like one spot for power, perhaps another for plastic etc

As products get more complex, it's usually also easier to make precursors in different spots and ship them elsewhere

[honest sleet]

what's your preferred Ficsite recipe?

[broken quarry]

whats the easiest way to connect items to side by side assemblers without sphagetti?

[hard ivy]

lifts

or clipping

if it's at 90*, it's not really spaghetti

[broken quarry]

clipping bad

[meager kiln]

gotcha, i was thinking ship plastic, steel and aluminum. that was it so far

[hard ivy]

no, it's convenient

[broken quarry]

the other solution I had was lifiting conveyers over where it turns blue so its tehcnically not clipping

[fluid sapphire]

i do this, i think it looks OK

#screenshots message

[broken quarry]

oh thats not so bad

[meager kiln]

will those verticals auto conect to the splitters?

[fluid sapphire]

verticals?

[meager kiln]

the lifts

[fluid sapphire]

i mean basically for this blueprint i have to first build the R module, then the L module connects to it, following this pattern all the belts auto-connect

the lifts are attached to the R side

[meager kiln]

ooh thats awesome

i havnet tried to auto connect like that, only trains

[fluid sapphire]

there is a small section of belt attached to the lifts on the L module

iirc

[meager kiln]

ahhh , and they connect

[fluid sapphire]

yes

[meager kiln]

thats very cool

how do you merge back in?

[fluid sapphire]

as long as the connecting module has a small belt section, the one you connect to doesnt need one

[fluid sapphire]

wym

i think this is an old screenshot, the blueprint has a merger manifold on the outside

[meager kiln]

just like what is your setup to merge out the outputs back together

gotcha gotcha, easy enough. wasnt sure if you had a fun way of connecting

[fluid sapphire]

simple manifold with the same system, the connecting module has a belt attached to a merger

basically each "beginning" has a belt, and none of the ends do

[meager kiln]

i want to try to do that... i have bp's for like 1, 2, 4 machiens, but with your setup... i dont need that at all

[stoic sand]

Is there any date for 1.2 ? 😅

[fluid sapphire]

i mostly have ones for 2 or 4, depending on size, but you could compress it for sure to fit more, anything more than that seems unnecessary, you can simply clock accordingly if you need a functional equivalent of less machines

4 can become 1 by clocking each one to 25%

some of them are a bit chonky, like the assembler, so they get split into L and R modules

there are loads of different ways to go about blueprints though, you could also make micro-production modules that take an input like iron and produce a small amount of motors, all in one blueprint, for me i just like to lay stuff out in a grid so this style of BP works out great

#screenshots message

[meager kiln]

i had honestly n ever thought about underclocking like that.. im still stuck on dyson sphere where space is a premium. i like the 4@25 concept... and i REALLY like the little module concept... that seems like a fun challenge...

[fluid sapphire]

making reusable modules takes some time but saves you more time in the long run, it makes it possible to do in days what could otherwise take weeks, or do in weeks what would otherwise take months

[meager kiln]

it seems like a fun challenge

and since i dont mind clipping... i could make little compact builds for liek motors and stuff

[glad quest]

u guys ever get bored of making the same stuff over and over again

[mortal ginkgo]

not if you are also decorating

[glad quest]

im as artistic as a modern artist (i cant do shit)

[glad quest]

like ive gotta go make more heavy modular frames or whatever they r called

and i lowk cant be bothered

[mortal ginkgo]

thats why its good to decorate sometimes. I mean, everyone "cant do shit" until they can. It takes time to find a style you like etc

[clear aspen]

Hello chat

[white dawn]

Spinning up big factories does take a certain amount of dedication and energy, for sure. There's a certain amount of "workiness" inherent in the game, and folks are unlikely to always feel motivated enough to engage with it

I know that I generally need to take multi-month breaks inbetween playthroughs, etc

[glad quest]

big squares lol i get super overwhelmed trying too decorate

[mortal ginkgo]

I also had a shoebox yep! But in time you improve 😄

[clear aspen]

I like seeing factories making pollution to drown out the sun and create an endless fog of my own creation

[glad quest]

same lol

[clear aspen]

😄

[clear aspen]

That’s pretty nova choom

[glad quest]

but i rllyy wanna automate the stars for the ficsmas update but i need mk 6 belts and i need heavy frames to get there for bauxite

[glad quest]

lol

[white dawn]

Still got a whole month to get stars automated if you want 'em. :)

[glad quest]

true

will i still make more after christmas

[whole robin]

One mk 1 miner on a pure coal node can fuel 8 coal generators, right?

[hard ivy]

if it mines 120/min, yes

[white dawn]

Each coal generator requires 15/min coal. 8 of those means 120/min total. So if your miner's giving you 120/min, then that'll work. :)

I'd recommend not thinking of it as "this tier miner on this purity node is enough for X machines" -- just make sure the numbers line up and you'll be good (and of course keep in mind your max belt speed)

[placid dew]

what's the requirements for phase 5 in satisfactiorio?

[cyan mesa]

in what

[placid dew]

the best game ever created

[frank lance]

make sure to add 3 extra water extractors to the system... when you unlock mark 4 belts, you can then overclock the miner 200% and overclock all the coal generators doubling your output (that way you don't have to overclock the water extractors costing exponential more power) 'Dont forget that water pipes only transport 300 water, till you unlock mark2 pipes.. so for my starter coal plant, I double piped everything

[silk ocean]

Spent most of the day retrofitting alt recipes xD

[broken quarry]

8 rotors / min is brutal

[whole robin]

How many water extractors will I need? I have 4 set up but only 5 coal generators, and I kinda want to expand my power production since it's 1) using excess power 2) uphill from the extractors 3) not built very well 4) has bad pipe spaghetti and 5) doesn't give coal to each generator evenly (had to fix it with a splitter on the main conveyor moving coal past some of the first generator's splitters

Also what's the point of bolted plates? Aren't they just more expensive reinforced plates?

[frank lance]

you need 1.5 water extractors per 4 coal plants at 100%, you need 3 water extractors for 4 overclocked coal plants, and 2 pipes.... i suggest 6 water extractors, and 4 pipes going to your coal plants to make them future proof and only built once.

6 water extractors + 8 coal plants, plus 240 coal at 200%

[feral jay]

You need fewer machines to do it, and therefore consume less power

[whole drum]

There's not really a reason to overclock coal gens. Just 3:8 is all you need.

[whole robin]

I guess that's a valid reason

[whole drum]

You just can't put them all on the same end

[frank lance]

also that's assuming your stuck on mark 1 pipes, or never want to come back to them...

[broken quarry]

my rotor factory is so bad everything is yellow

[hard ivy]

stitched plate consumes even less 🤷‍♂️
and it's much cheaper

[frank lance]

True... you don't really need to overclock coal gens... but it will push you all the way through steel and plastic plants with out running out of power

[whole drum]

You don't get more power for OC'ing them. You just use fewer machines.

And since they generate power, you're not worried about consumption from them

So fewer machines doesn't do anything for you, tbh

[void girder]

Hey yall, can anyone explain to me how trains work? I want to start, but i dnt know if i want a push pull train, how intersections work, how stations work etc.

[whole drum]

Build 2 one-way lanes and loop the ends, then you can expand it with T-junctions later. Use block signals at intersections, but not too close into them.

[whole robin]

I AM stuck on mk one pipes, I just did phase one of the space elevator a couple hours ago on the world, and I haven't even seen a oil node yet

[whole drum]

Oil is phase 3

[whole robin]

Oh god

[whole drum]

You're on coal for Phase 2

[whole robin]

Wait do i unlock oil stuff after turning in the stuff for phase 2 or phase 3

[whole drum]

Complete project assembly for phase 2, you enter phase 3, and oil is one of the first milestones

[whole robin]

Ah, ok

[void girder]

Okay, imma also look up some tutorials, but thats a start, thanks

[whole drum]

You might find it helpful to peruse #1038092680493801533 since train questions are extremely common there, so a simple search can give you lots of references for various things people encountered while trying to set them up.

[void girder]

Thanks a lot, mate

[whole drum]

Np. I hardly use them myself, but some of the people in those threads who answer questions are experts.

[whole robin]

Since I've gotten power automated now, should I prioritize finding quartz and sulfur nodes for research?

[whole drum]

Yeah, pushing your MAM research now would be a good idea. Perhaps setup Steel first so you can take advantage of SAM tho.

[dusk iris]

I am new to the game and my tractor isn't working it says any type of fuel but I have biomass and coal and it is not working how do I put the fuel in the tractor

[foggy jasper]

whats the best way to get all the hard drives, mercer spheres and sloops- is it just having a map of them all up on a second monitor

[silk ocean]

There is a Fuel input at the depot where you can belt the fuel into

[dusk iris]

Oh so I can't use just a tractor without the station

What an unnecessary inconvenience

[silk ocean]

Well I guess you can if you want to just drive around xD

[whole drum]

You can do that sort of thing, but if you want a more "genuine" experience, use the Object Scanner (built from Equipment Workshop). Combine that with the radar towers that tell you how many of those are in a given area and you can find them all pretty reasonably without 3rd party help.

[silk ocean]

In which case you can just manually load fuel into it

[whole robin]

Radar towers?

[foggy jasper]

yeah i do have both the radar tower and object scanner however i do just kinda want to get it done quick

[whole drum]

Yeah, you research them in the MAM--Caterium, iirc

[foggy jasper]

well as quick as i can

[whole drum]

Up to you 🙂

[foggy jasper]

yeah last thing in caterium- or one of the last

[leaden arch]

Anyone afraid to use trucks and drones because you can't really plan how much fuel they will consume

[peak wasp]

Just a quick question, but is there a quick and easy way to turn conveyor belts on and off?

[foggy jasper]

no other than just disconnecting them

[cunning lily]

Disassembling 😎

[peak wasp]

Bleh, that's what I thought. Thanks.

[whole drum]

Nah. Making packaged fuel is easy.

[whole robin]

I forgot about caterium. Is it now just the part of the game where I use conveyors to bring tons of fat materials to the hub for processing and researching?

[foggy jasper]

What have you just unlocked

[whole drum]

Depends if you have DDs yet or not

[whole robin]

Coal power, steel production

[leaden arch]

What are you trying to do exactly? There's no reason or way to turn a belt off. Turn off the machines feeding it.

[foggy jasper]

But generally when you can you should make the things next to where the resources are

E.g. if you are doing a project with steel- build near coal and iron (or whatever)

atleast thats what i did and its working

[whole drum]

Yes, this is the general practice. If you don't have DDs yet, it might be okay to transport materials at a stage of production where it's easier to, though. Caterium Ingots are more efficient to transport than raw or wire, for example.

[foggy jasper]

yeah good point- altough by steel you usually have DDs

[broken quarry]

is there a way to measure before placing? I keep having trouble with spacings

[foggy jasper]

build on tiles

if you arent

[broken quarry]

foundations?

[foggy jasper]

yeah

then you can measure by foundatiosn

[broken quarry]

Im doing that but items dont snap too well

[foggy jasper]

like leave so many foundations of space

[foggy jasper]

wdym

[broken quarry]

but then its too muchs pace

[dusk iris]

Hos

How

[whole robin]

So funny part about that, I haven't actually gotten enough sam to unlock that part of the research tree

[peak wasp]

A certain set up to easily control when I want things to feed into things like the Coupon Machine, or the Space Elevator, instead of my main storage containers, during early game. As in before smart/programmable splitter.

[dusk iris]

And also the closest coal location is like 700m away from the hub 🥲

[silk ocean]

If you interact with the storage canister on the front, you can put fuel into the Fuel box

(On the Truck, it's at the back)

[dusk iris]

Oh I didn't think of that

Thanks

[silk ocean]

np 🙂

[clever sandal]

bro my coal generators keep malfunctioning and I cant find a solution

its something with water but i dunno how to fix

can someone help me

[silk ocean]

You can usually Shift+Click things like Fuel and it will automatically transfer it

[dusk iris]

FIRST TIME HEARING OF THE SHIFT CLICK FUNCTIONS

[silk ocean]

Can Ctrl+Drag to the bin and it will remove everything of that type in your inventory, various modifiers like that

[foggy jasper]

I'd recommend going for some sam but up to u

[whole robin]

Yeah no I'll def get some sam production going, both for later and for tickets

[whole drum]

You need to be able to make Steel Pipes to process SAM

[crisp barn]

I hate whoever made the green bulb thingy tint yellow at a distance

Maybe Im just delusional but I swear it looks more yellow from farther away

[peak wasp]

You can also just ctrl+click instead of dragging it and that works too.

[whole robin]

Are they uphill from the generators, did you put a buffer at the end above all the other pipes to function as a water tower, do you have pumps

[clever sandal]

no they are on a flat ground and i pump them

[whole drum]

Don't use buffers this way. It causes more problems than it solves. Just use water pumps to ensure you have proper headlift and you're set.

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Pipeline_Manual.pdf
If you're struggling with water/pipes, read this.

Two good rules to remember with pipes:

• simpler is better
• full pipes play nice

A third might be "Don't use valves" lol

[whole robin]

Would a line of splitters eventually give each of 8 coal generators the amount of coal that they need if enough time passes? It doesn't look right at all at first, even with just 5 gens the last one barely runs at all

[whole drum]

You're talking about a manifold. If you have enough inputs for how much the total system needs, it will eventually work.

It has to fill up all the machines in sequence first, though

And the last 2 will never fill

But will get what they need to run properly

[whole robin]

Good to know

[white dawn]

I think you already got some responses, but figuring out machine counts is always the same: take a look at the numbers, and make sure they all line up

[whole drum]

I sent you a diagram to help with visualization

[white dawn]

With coal generators, if you look at the coal generator control panel it'll show you that they each need 45/min water

If you take a look at the water extractor control panel, it'll show you that they produce 120/min water

We tend to recommend that folks build 8 coal gens to 3 water extractors because the numbers work out nicely. 8 * 45 == 360, and 3 * 120 == 360

The main problem to solve with that arrangement is that mk1 pipes can carry a maximum of 300/min throughput. So you need some creative piping to get that to work

[whole drum]

Pipes are limited to 300/m, so you can't input all 3 extractors into one end of the line.

[white dawn]

If you search for CG on the wiki, there's some diagrams on the bottom of various piping methods which work well on an 8:3 system, if you wanted a cheat sheet for it

[whole drum]

You can put one at beginning, middle, end--or do 2 at beginning, 1 at end, etc

[whole robin]

This water stuff is scary

[broken quarry]

I cant place stuff right and its killing me

[silk ocean]

Ctrl helps to snap things together

[white dawn]

If you want to trade one type of complexity for another, there's another option for coal gens which simplifies the piping (at the expense of needing to dive into clocking)

(Well, I suppose technically the dive into clocking isn't strictly speaking necessary)

But anyway, if you take a look at 2 coal gens -- they each require 45/min water, so that's 90/min total. A single extractor provides 120/min water. If you downclock that to 75%, that means the extractor is giving you 90/min -- exactly what 2 coal gens need

So if you don't mind having more water extractors, you can always just use one extractor for every 2 coal gens

(Downclocking them to 75% will mean that they'll even out to running constantly all the time -- you could just leave them at 100%, in which case they'd just be idle for about 25% of the time)

[broken quarry]

not the way I need I need turn 3 smelters into 6 constructors and spacing evenly is really hard

[white dawn]

Build the constructors first, and then slap the smelters down right inbetween each pair of constructors

[broken quarry]

side by side?

[white dawn]

Sure; it's pretty common to have lines of machines like that

(You certainly don't have to, but if you're looking for a simple but "neat" arrangement, that'll do it)

[dusk crown]

Phase 5 complete, Space Ship Launched into the Slip Stream, they left me here to die.
mIm

[crisp barn]

I hate fluids so much

no matter what I do, refineries just keep starving

[whole drum]

Wouldn't 4x75% use less power than 3x100% ?

[broken quarry]

is it the same to use a mk2 conveyere to transport 120 with mergers or does it make more sense to move the machines?

[whole drum]

Are you trying to make rods or something?

[broken quarry]

yea I have 6 constructors making rods but I need to make screws so I can make rotors

[whole drum]

So you start with foundations. Put smelters on every other one, then two constructors in front of each with a splitter.

[broken quarry]

yea I did that I have my 6 constructors done

the issue is that I cant build straight as there is a rock

soooo I either have to conveyer it with splitters and mk2 belts or move the machines but Im wondering if that causes issues to just put splitters in front of the machines

[south sinew]

no that's what basically everybody does

[whole drum]

Build above the rock then, or not near it

[vale anchor]

Hey guys any news about the Multiplayer from PS5

[white dawn]

Yeah, slightly

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[short root]

#satisfactory-consoles message
There is a statement on this.
Maybe wait until the patch is online and if it does not work, please make a Q&A post: https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/

[nimble whale]

So, first time I've delved into Rocket fuel ... Rocket fuel is a gas right? So why does my Flow rate bouncing down to 560 or so every once in a while and down all the time when I'm producing cosistent 600 and should use up consistent 600? Thre shouldn't be any slosh problems with gas shoudl there?

[short root]

I don't actually know if gases slosh or not, but looping the pipe could work around the issue in this case then. I suspect they slosh but it's a hard guess on how pipelines may work generally in Satisfactory.

[nimble whale]

Jesus christ I just hope they fix this bs eventually ... Pipes are a massive PITA and the reason I've ragequit Satisfactory quite a few times at this point and basically every time I have to deal with them I just wanna throw it off my pc again ...

[short root]

It could also be the case that the machines producing or consuming actually push or pull the amount they need into their internal storage "instantly", so this could lead to potential having the pipe too full for a short amount of time when the producing machine tries to push the new cycle output in an instant, but the pipe is full. This eventually leads to the flow rate bouncing down. But it should technically resolve itself then since the machines consuming don't stop, only the producing ones clog, until the pipe is not full to 100 % anymore, then it should work again. Did you "prefill" the pipes?

Ragequitting and throwing your PC off does not solve the issue.

[whole drum]

Make sure pipes are full before turning on machines that need them

[nimble whale]

throwing satis off the PC, it solves the issue that I don't have to be annoyed by it anymore ^^

[nimble whale]

aka full prime makes sense?

well let's see what happens if I run a full prime on those final generators, most are full so I "just" gotta wait for the last 20 to fill up ^^

[short root]

I actually meant that in the case of 600, i.e., max limit, a full pipe actually can lead to a clogging of output machines, because the pipes are full already. Then the pipes drop capacity by the max pulling on the consumption side and eventually, the 600 is not reached anymore, since the outputting machines clogged shortly.

And then, sloshing could of course, occur. Which is why the pipes would need to be looped so that less sloshing occurs.

Or, my personal favorite: Don't use max 600 and stay a bit below the limit. Split it up.

[strong fiber]

finally home so i can start on my aluminum factory

[whole drum]

Yes, the 600 pulls from the pipes, but then gets replaced. If you don't prime them, you don't get to pull the full amount.

[nimble whale]

Which makes total sense on liquids (unless full prime), makes 0 sense on gases though lol, honestly pipe mechanics are the one thing driving me off this game again and again cos it 100% annoys my perfectionsitic bs brain to have a bouncing max consumption ^^

[short root]

Does it only fluctuate or does the consumption side actually not receive enough?

[nimble whale]

both

[short root]

Then something clogs or sloshes.

[nimble whale]

fluctuating down to 560 ish once in a while on the input pipe while the final hand full generators barely get any fuel

yeah the prime is running rn, let's see where I get with that

[short root]

Try looping the pipe then. Or split it to come below 600.

[nimble whale]

Will do once that's done

[whole drum]

Pumps can help. Sometimes reduces sloshing.

[dusk iris]

What is technically more efficient, connecting a mine to three smelters or 2 smelters

[nimble whale]

with gas?

[whole drum]

You just match the output of the miner with the input needs of the smelters

[whole drum]

With either. It prevents backflow.

[rocky scarab]

also remove any valves if you're using them (this is what fixed this issue on my tf plant)

[nimble whale]

Jeez that makes no sense ^^ well I'll give all that stuff a try

no valves in there atm

[dusk iris]

Honestly y'all are making me even more excited I just unlocked coal and what y'all saying is making me look forward for what's to come

[rocky scarab]

keep it that way 👍

[whole drum]

It does. Pipes flow both ways. They aren't belts.

[nocturne cairn]

Valves making flow issues worse instead of better makes no sense

[nimble whale]

Have to correct: It makes no sense with gas, unless it's compressed to a liquid it just fills out the space due to the way pressure works in pipes ^^

well irl at lesat

[whole drum]

Yes, bit IRL you still wouldn't get the cubic volume needed if it's filling out more space than you want it to

[nimble whale]

well it should technically fill 100% of the pipe though (well reduced by wall friction but that stuff isn't taken itno account by satisfactory physics anyway)

but yeah I'll get the thing a loop around and see where it goes with taht

[broken quarry]

Where am I going wrong? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1450577856500469811/image.png?ex=69430b67&is=6941b9e7&hm=4dba2f73e4404842ba3b8b10d85bf83d22f2153dbcae05204d643c695506038a&

[dry vessel]

could someone check screenshots and give me some ideas 🙏

[normal dagger]

anyway to change the default machine colors?

[whole drum]

Too many screw machines

[broken quarry]

what how? thats only 4 and I need another

[gentle lion]

We need a programmable dimensional Depot

So we don't have to have supernlong belts or transport for a few items lol

With an exit

Load on west empty on east

[nimble whale]

it's called Drones 😉

[gentle lion]

I know have drones

[whole drum]

You only have 6 rod machines. They are 2:1

[lusty hornet]

Is there any way to create a server without the host needing to be playing so my friend can join?

[gentle lion]

I'm trying to get phase 3 done.

[broken quarry]

the miner is overclocked

smelter goes in 3:6

then the rods get split to screws and regular rods

[honest sleet]

just made my first Encoder, almost ready to start encoding

also reee my grid's gonna hate me

[rocky scarab]

so, i've never used asphalt foundations much (i don't really do trucks) but i decided they'd be a good fit for my all-black swamp factory....
now, after paving the entire biome, i realise they're not rotationally symmetrical 🙃

[broken quarry]

https://i.imgur.com/xq3jImV.png

[nimble whale]

Ok the loopback should have done the trick, everything is fully primed though so I'll only see the final result in a few hours

[whole drum]

So what issue are you having?

[broken quarry]

my last two rod machines arent going foward do splitters reduce throughput?

[whole drum]

No. What belts are you using?

[broken quarry]

mk2

[whole drum]

What is the output of all the machines on that manifold?

[broken quarry]

everything except screw prodcution is backed up

looks like it was just taking ages to fully fill the constructors

[pseudo basin]

Anyone know why I can’t apply the striped ficsmas conveyor skin anymore and only the gold stars belt skin?

[grizzled plank]

im in the northern forest, wondering where i should do my coal power plant

[ornate saffron]

With screws you always get screwed.

Manifolds are great but due take time to wind up. I tend to fill a buffer of the most used item while building the manifold. Then delete it when im done building. Then hand feed all the machines. That way it goes online quicker

[grizzled plank]

first time i choose the spawn point (im usually a green fields person)

[whole drum]

Use the scanner to find it

[grizzled plank]

ya but its either alot of water and barely any coal or alot of coal but not enough water

[ornate saffron]

Off the cliff and across the river into the rocky desert is a great spot. Water from the river and so many coal nodes right there

[grizzled plank]

i need like minimal 1200 mw

[grizzled plank]

thanks

[whole drum]

You don't need much water

[ornate saffron]

Great place for steel, sam and quartz too

[grizzled plank]

how many coal nodes are there? (pure)

[ornate saffron]

Four normal

[ornate saffron]

The crater lakes is your next best bet with 3 pure

[grizzled plank]

Ok appreciate it

so i can use the four normal nodes for power, and the 3 pures for steel?

[ornate saffron]

I skipped coal for my forest run. I ran 15 bio generators until fuel. It was rough though lol

[ornate saffron]

If you like. Both places have lots of water

[grizzled plank]

i dont think i can survive on bioful until fuel lol

to much trees to cut down

[hollow hazel]

@dry vessel #screenshots message
One idea that comes to mind is to make a workshop hut. As you know the Equipment Workshop has this little door. Try to align that door with an actual door, then place a Crafting Bench in front of the open space. Maybe also a MAM after that. Then surround it with walls and top it off with a roof/foundation as a low ceiling.

Or make it a small parking lot...

[ornate saffron]

I ran on minimal power for a long time. Gathered a many hardrives, slugs, Mercer sphere, and sloops though. Which was nice

[half atlas]

Guys, I am starting to lose my mind over my friend because he's trying to be all about "because x rate and x rate and I am trying to be efficient" and I'm like, "dude, I would rather expand a lot of these factories just to create more and more, if it gets backed up then it just means you are able to make more"

[green fiber]

Both.
Expand first, optimize later

Cant optimize what isnt there

[heavy pine]

Steam Replay is ready for 2025. Two years in a row Satisfactory has been my top game.

[half atlas]

Right, and, unfortunately his argument about why my 10 constructor for solid biofuel was not necessary and I saw him make 1 line of biomass that funnels into 1 constructor that makes the solid biofuel

And I was like this makes zero sense to me

[broken quarry]

if I sadly own satisfactory on epic is there a way to get it on steam without having to buy it again?

[whole drum]

I have one constructor for grass and one for wood, then 1 turning biomass into solid on each. You don't need more than that.

[short root]

Not possible. Same for me. But it's not an issue tbh. The more fragmented your games are on different stores, the less you loose when one goes down.

[half atlas]

I disagree, I don't want things to be overloaded and I have to wait longer for the same amount made

[broken quarry]

no coal yet?

I remember when bio gens didnt have conveyer inputs

[whole drum]

The burners go through it slow enough that it's okay to let the constructors back up

[broken quarry]

how many do you have? I had to have 4 constructors making solid fuel

[half atlas]

I have made it like this:

Container < Wood Biomass < Biofuel (x2)
. Wood Biomass < Biofuel (x2) > Container
Container < Grass Biomass - Biofuel >
. Grass Biomass - Biofuel

[broken quarry]

I guess but I really like steam input mapping

[half atlas]

Like I personally think this is quantity work over "overflow"

I don't believe more isn't any less better

English

[broken quarry]

do I need modular frame later game or can I get away with like 6/m?

[short root]

I have never used it in my life. At least not intentional.

[half atlas]

Then you would be like "but how will you power it on" idk I suffer for right now but it makes the biofuel faster

Considering I was still before conveyor belt mk 2

[whole drum]

There's not much reason to spend the extra power on overproducing the fuel when it's just going to back up anyway

[unkempt blade]

the only answer is FOUR THOUSAND biomass burners

[half atlas]

YYYEAAAAA

[short root]

How many of these bad boys fit into a Mk.3 blueprint designer?

[broken quarry]

it lets you add controller support or even remote play for my ipad

[whole drum]

Reasonably, like 12?

[short root]

Including verticality

[whole drum]

Double if you build a second floor

[short root]

If we get four floors into it, like 48 in one blueprint, hmmm..

[unkempt blade]

good question, how much are you opposed to clipping?

[short root]

Normally, generally, except for terrain clipping when necessary to build something on it, ofc.

[whole drum]

Not sure how tall it can go, but maybe

[short root]

I usually go with the defaults, if a game does not support controller, I use mouse and keyboard. But I see the necessibility necessity of course.

[unkempt blade]

"necessibility" is a great word

[short root]

Afaik as tall as wide

[broken quarry]

oh and epic has to start to run a game so satis takes like an extra 30 seconds to open mildly annoying

[whole drum]

That would be 20m

[short root]

Sometimes I imagine words while translating from my native language in my head.

[whole drum]

Each floor would be about 8-10m

[short root]

The Mk.3 has Dimensions: 48 m x 48 m x 48 m according to the wiki

[unkempt blade]

Mangling necessity into accessibility was perfect in context though. You nailed that mistranslation

[short root]

It was honest work.

[short root]

Yes, the biomass burner has 8x8x10 meter, so in a Mk.3 blueprint, technically, we could get 6x6x4 biomass burners, so 144.

Without belt connections though, or with clipping them. Goddam I am not sure this is a good idea at all.

[wind siren]

so, do the mercer spheres respawn?

[whole drum]

Trying to fit 6x6 makes the belting is really tight

[wind siren]

aside from my use of them the research alone seems to need alot

[short root]

Nope they do not respawn. There are more than enough on the map though, nearly ||300||. Afaik ||298|| according to the Wiki.

You can build a dimensional depot for every recipe and have leftover.

[broken quarry]

wait I have 2 how do I use them I researched one in the mam already but cant go further

[short root]

Yeah it would be better to connect them gracefully and reduce the amount. Maybe we get 64 or 80 in one blueprint then.

[short root]

Progressing the game will reveal this sooner or later to you.

[broken quarry]

how far.....

[short root]

Do you want to be spoilered?

[broken quarry]

nvm

guess I will just collect them

[hard ivy]

You can (and should) use them as soon as you have steel

[short root]

I collected them all and in my opinion, it's worth it eventually. Well, maybe not all are necessary, but a good amount of them helps a lot.

[short root]

Depends on whether he finds ||SAM|| before Tier ||9||.

[hard ivy]

You really don't want to wait that long for that