satisfactory

[hard ivy]

just keep them - they'll generate some power still

[brazen cove]

for oil generators?

[brazen cove]

ooh yea alright

[feral jay]

But why? Just leave them? What's gained by deleting them?

[brazen cove]

pain by deleting them lol

but is there a big difference in energy output in coal and oil generators?

[hard ivy]

fuel gens produce 250 MW each

[strong fiber]

You are gonna need to build your oil plant in a completely new area because you need crude

[brazen cove]

expeditions yeay

[zenith pecan]

Last time I did anything major with oil, I piped every drop out of the spire and into the dunes.

[strong fiber]

I recommend 300/crude oil into 200/fuel min into 10 generators which will create 2500 MW and will generate some polymer resin which you can turn into rubber and or plastic

And if you build in the oil fields you can expand as much as you want and you will be able to get to turbofuel

[brazen cove]

i understand literally 10% from everything you just said lol

[strong fiber]

Just worry about generating the power you need until you get heavy oil residue alternate and diluted fuel

[brazen cove]

i have a very smart question: does residue pollute my world and can i prevent it? lol

[hard ivy]

there is no pollution

[strong fiber]

If you bring in 300/min crude oil you can generate 200 fuel/min which fuels 10 generators and you have polymer resin as a by product you can either sink it or turn it into plastic or rubber

[brazen cove]

makes sense to me i guess

[brazen cove]

but i saw people saying about nuclear pollution, so there is a pollution?

[strong fiber]

Nuclear waste

[hard ivy]

there's nuclear waste and radiation

[brazen cove]

ooh alright

[strong fiber]

And plutonium waste and ficsonuim waste

[hard ivy]

there is no ficsonium waste

[feral jay]

There is no pollution, no, but there is radiation

[strong fiber]

kk

so just nuclear and plutonium waste then

[brazen cove]

would be cool if they added some sort of polution lol

[strong fiber]

Please no

[feral jay]

No it wouldn't

[whole robin]

How essentially is it to rush for consistent power generation (i.e coal power)

[feral jay]

This game is much better without environmental mechanics

[whole robin]

God no

[strong fiber]

i dont think many people like having to get leaves and wood

[feral jay]

It's a factory building game, not a planet simulator

[hard ivy]

the first is called uranium waste. I said "nuclear" to include both uranium and plutonium waste

[brazen cove]

i meant like with water, where you have to make filtrated water out of it

[strong fiber]

ok

[feral jay]

ohhh, that could be an interesting mechanic, some recipes needing distilled water or something like that

[leaden turret]

you don't have to.

that's what creature part biomass is for

[leaden turret]

I have a qa site post for optional environmental aesthetics.

makes zero impact on the simulation, buuut sticking a machine out in the open in the desert gets sand in the pockets, by the sea makes it rusty etc.

[feral jay]

Ooh I'll upvote that one, link?

[leaden turret]

Contextual environment-dependant details on buildables

Thinking things such as (but not limited to)

• Barnacles growing on stuff that's below/embedded in the ocean water line (but not the lake/river water lines unless said lake has barnacles).
• Rust on metal surfaces in water
• Algae/moss growing on surfaces in contact with the ground/water in humid biomes
• UV-bleaching on sun-facing surfaces
• Water staining streaks running down surfaces should rain ever be restored to the game
• Small amounts of sand piling up in desert biomes in nooks and crannies on things like pillar supports in the wind-facing surfaces
  https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/65cd81ec1545556f6c1c69dd

[brazen cove]

alright i will begin building my factory so i can make those 3 parts for the elevator

[stoic burrow]

[feral jay]

It would be awesome to see snow accumulate from my snow machines

[leaden turret]

makes puddles

[feral jay]

My ficsmas factory in the desert sure would lol

[leaden turret]

i.e. the rain vfx on surfaces with no rain 😛

[compact flicker]

Mmmm shushi belts with screws on them

[whole robin]

You'd probably turn it into a swamp

[brazen cove]

is ficsmas for the whole winter?

[compact flicker]

All of Dec I believe

[feral jay]

Just Christmas, it ends a couple of weeks into January

[lunar python]

When are they adding back rain 🗣️

[feral jay]

Can't recall the exact date

[leaden turret]

when they go down to africa to bless them

[silk moon]

how big rotor factorshud i have in phase 2

[leaden turret]

no wait, that's Toto.

CSS is aiming for 1.2, but no promises;

[feral jay]

Stockpile your snowballs while you can folks

[reef basin]

depends how many rotors you want

[feral jay]

Well, stockpile presents so you can make more snowballs at least

[silk moon]

i want a good amount

[reef basin]

then decide what "good" is and build that

[silk moon]

ok

[reef basin]

there's no generic "you need this many in this phase", it depends on people's preferences and build styles

make what you need now, and worry about future in the future

[silk moon]

ok

[lunar python]

Ive been running perfectly fine on 5 rotors/stators per minute

[azure pulsar]

Isn't there a way to stack two splitters on top of each other and have something come in the bottom and go out the top? I thought I'd seen that in videos.

[lunar python]

With 2 ics for each ofc

[silk moon]

im trying to make a huge steal factory

[reef basin]

don't steal please 😛

[lunar python]

What are we stealin

[silk ocean]

iron ore?

[silk moon]

no

[silk ocean]

nuclear pasta

[silk moon]

greeny what

[lunar python]

Ironic

[reef basin]

steal vs steel

[primal obsidian]

teal factory

[lunar python]

Yeiii

[silk moon]

o i mistyped

im not english

[reef basin]

(also, I wouldn't recommend making centralised factory for steel, just make what you need now)

[primal obsidian]

someone has to make the colours for the customizer

[lunar python]

Thats is no longer the case forthnately

[silk moon]

it is going to be a base for a mega factory in the future

[reef basin]

yeah, well I wouldn't recommend megafactory at all

[lunar python]

Shush greeny

[silk ocean]

Microfactory... so hot right now

[lunar python]

Let them buld their megafactory!!!

[worldly birch]

Hi

[primal obsidian]

mega factory tanks your frame rate

[silk moon]

no for a modular factory for things that use steal

[primal obsidian]

I would know

[silk moon]

steel

[lunar python]

Still

[reef basin]

eh, that's not really the main reason why it's not recommended, and also depends on scale you build

[cunning lily]

How come? Is steel too high volume or too redundant to other builds, or?

[silk moon]

not too big

[reef basin]

I mean they can simply ignore my recommendation if they want 🤷

[reef basin]

I wouldn't recommend it for anything

[lunar python]

I dont really use steel at all unless i need it for something very specific, then i just make some or use alt recipes that dont requiere it

[silk moon]

im stil new to the game so thanks for the help

[reef basin]

ah the good old "ultra expensive iron replacement of steel"

[cunning lily]

I'm trying to understand here, hmmm. You're opposed to centralized factories but not specialized factories?

[lunar python]

Theres iron everywhere greeny

[silk moon]

but what do i need a big factory for

[reef basin]

I recommend https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[reef basin]

yes, but I don't want to spend 1000 iron if I can spend 100 iron and 100 coal

[hard ivy]

that's far from the actual exchange rate

[silk ocean]

No shortage of coal either

[reef basin]

that depends on recipes

[hard ivy]

it's more like 1 coal to 1.5 iron

[lunar python]

Theres iron everywhere, theres coal mostly everywhere

[silk ocean]

Can always tear down an old coal plant if really needed

[reef basin]

well I plan to build my factories near resources I need, so "resource not available nearby" is an error in planning, not a reason to switch recipes

[lunar python]

Me when im subjective af

[reef basin]

yes, recipe choices and build styles are subjective

[silk moon]

is it worth it to make your factories look good

[reef basin]

do you want your factories to look good?

will that make the game more enjoyable to you?

[silk moon]

kind of

[reef basin]

then do it 🤷

[silk ocean]

Function-wise, no real effect... Sanity-wise... BIG effect? xD

[compact flicker]

Like half of my iron production is pipes lol

[feral jay]

If you post your cool factories on Reddit you get fake Internet points for them

[silk ocean]

Karma doesn't seem to have any use these days

[compact flicker]

Did it ever?

[silk ocean]

Not really, supposedly some subs needed a certain amount of it, but never seen one that does

[compact flicker]

Moat of the auto removed stuff I see is cuz the poster didn't meet the karma requirement ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[silk ocean]

Could be that

[feral jay]

Got storage for 1.2M ficsmas gifts now

But need more

[silk moon]

thats too much

[feral jay]

There are never too many presents

[reef basin]

why are you even storing gifts

[feral jay]

Why not?

[silk moon]

ADA is disapinted

disapointed

[feral jay]

I'll sink overflow eventually...

[silk ocean]

For the Santa run?

[reef basin]

I mean I assume there's a reason behind it other than "why not"

[feral jay]

Nope, that's the only reason, to stockpile millions upon millions of presents just because

I do the same with liquid biofuel lol

[austere latch]

anyone tips for phase 3?

[feral jay]

Give up for the sake of your sanity, it only gets worse from here

jk I usually concentrate on getting a solid power infrastructure built at that point

[silk ocean]

Construct xD

[austere latch]

already have a turbofuel powerplant setup

[feral jay]

That too, as with all the phases, build all the things and automate all the things

[reef basin]

do the things you need 🤷 like there's not much to say apart from playing the game

[bitter lodge]

Be patient.

[austere latch]

thanks!

[bitter lodge]

Phase 3 is going to be the start of pulling resources from further distances.

So infrastructure may not be a bad idea.

[austere latch]

yeah currently working on that haha

[feral jay]

I think it's around that phase when I never just lay belts willy nilly any more, but always on stackable conveyor poles, so if I run more belts I can keep it much neater

[bitter lodge]

#screenshots

[silk moon]

what do i need a lot of in phase 2

[bitter lodge]

Belt highways go brrrr

[reef basin]

buildings

[bitter lodge]

or trains are a good way.

[bitter lodge]

Steel.

[silk moon]

ok

[white dawn]

Gumption. Fortitude.

[bitter lodge]

Phase 2 is mainly about steel if I recall

like your first start of making steel is terrible but you can quickly get mk2 miner, and the higher tier belt.

[silk moon]

ok thanks

[reef basin]

(also, why are you asking us to spoil you the game? 😛 )

[silk moon]

im more about building not just figuring thing out

[reef basin]

the game does a pretty good job of showing you things, I don't think you'd need extra spoilers (but obviously you do you)

[silk moon]

and olso i just like talkin to people i can relate to

[compact flicker]

Inexplicable overflow on sushi belts 😭 😭

Where are these extra plates coming from

[silk ocean]

Remember to automate all teh thingz

No manual crafting now

[silk moon]

i realy cant find anny qarts in my world rn

[compact flicker]

Unoptomized automation is better than no automation

[silk ocean]

Yar

[silk ocean]

Resource scanner? If quartz unlocked

[compact flicker]

There should be a few smaller quartz rocks nearby (assuming plains), once you research it you can scan for it.

[silk moon]

i have resached it but it dosent popo up but i only done the first one

[feral jay]

I just finished rushing the hoverpack. Totally worth the manual crafting for that

[compact flicker]

Like its not an option on the scanner, or when you scan for it nothing pings?

[silk moon]

yeah

[compact flicker]

Which one.?

[silk moon]

it dosent pop un as an option

[compact flicker]

Are you looking at the collectible scanner instead of the ore scanner?

[silk moon]

the colecteble scaner

[compact flicker]

Im not sure of the keybind for KB&M, but if you're on console, hold up on the Dpad

[silk moon]

thanks i just relised

i was on the wrong sacaner

[compact flicker]

Np, good luck with your quartz endeavors

[silk moon]

i just want the blade runers

[feral jay]

Also totally worth some manual crafting to rush those

[bitter lodge]

you can find a free pair in the wild.

[compact flicker]

Top 3 item easy

[compact flicker]

What

[silk moon]

o cool il try that while i try to find my qarts

[bitter lodge]

There is a pair of blade runners you can just pick up off the ground :)

[silk moon]

where shud i look

[bitter lodge]

youtube :)

[feral jay]

||They're in a large cave somewhere||

lol or youtube yeah

[bitter lodge]

someone has a video on where to find them

[compact flicker]

I have been there several times and ||only knew about the helmet||

[bitter lodge]

have fun exploring some more

[compact flicker]

Oh I looked up exactly where it was xd

[mortal ginkgo]

just make your own, never needed to find one around. its easy to make

[silk ocean]

They are quite straight forward to make yea

[compact flicker]

Whats on the top of y'alls SatisFactory wishlist?

[mortal ginkgo]

Cart Stations, smol version of Truck variant.

[silk ocean]

Ficsonium

[mortal ginkgo]

we... we already have it!

[white dawn]

Hoverpack crossing-grid bug fix. :D

[feral jay]

Triple-click selecting a whole paragraph in text fields

I'm a simple man with simple desires

[mortal ginkgo]

ok now lets not be too ambitious in our wishing

[silk ocean]

Well, we can make it, sure xD

[mortal ginkgo]

then go make some omg!

[silk ocean]

No radioactive christmas tree? boo xD

Working on it 😄

[compact flicker]

Top of mine is fixed artificial lighting, and some smaller source options would be nice too

[silk ocean]

Plantable vegetation

[compact flicker]

That'd be nice

[hard ivy]

Power generation rebalance

[silk moon]

i just made a litle cosy qarts miner station in a cave

[silk ocean]

Buff geothermal xD

[compact flicker]

In what way?

[hard ivy]

Mostly nuclear and ionized buff

I wouldn't be opposed to a rocket fuel nerf either

[compact flicker]

What, don't you like building 600 fuel generators?

[shy mulch]

Eleventy Bajillion Quazillion rocket fuel gens is the way forward

[covert rover]

Couldn't agree more, I just built 300 fully overclocked ones

[versed cosmos]

remember to clock them to 1% so you get to build more!

[silk ocean]

Widen the map boundary to fit all teh nerfed fuel gens xD

[honest sleet]

i found a physics

[compact flicker]

Just one?

[honest sleet]

but it's an image and DC don't like images

[mortal ginkgo]

One? Wow. Interesting, do tell us more.

[covert rover]

did he find a gravity?

[honest sleet]

magic flying bug bits

also way, way, way too many hog corpses

[compact flicker]

They deserved it

[silk ocean]

Way to automate injectors

[honest sleet]

like most of the hogs in the game just came here and died, from the looks of it

[silk moon]

am i the only one that rebuilds a conveur if it clips

[honest sleet]

all around a pure SAM node, so that might have smh to do with it

[shy mulch]

I am a physics

[silk ocean]

I am a physics subscriber

[shy mulch]

Subscribe to deez nuts

[wispy spoke]

wtf why does switching between mk 2 and 3 conveyors fuck up the flow rate

[silk ocean]

They're faster? xD

[wispy spoke]

or am i tripping

in calculator it shows 10 constructor for 480 limestone

[silk ocean]

What do you mean by fuck up?

[wispy spoke]

mine balances at 8

is it because of conveyors

[mortal ginkgo]

isn't it supposed to be 450 limestone for 10 constructor?

basic recipe asks for 45 limestone per machine

[wispy spoke]

theres bigger elephant to address

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean if you got questions about limestone, I am your guy

I might be impure, but it is honest work aight

[untold halo]

I don't want to be at work I want to build my factory

[mortal ginkgo]

plan your factory at work, do it in home

[untold halo]

I have so many plans that ONLY involve the basics, this is going to be an extensive project

[silk ocean]

Purity of limestone-related answers decreases, suspicion of authenticity increases

[silk moon]

i dident know there wer qarts nodes

[untold halo]

Where is best place to limestone

Mr limestone sir

[mortal ginkgo]

Imminent "RRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-" response closeby.

[untold halo]

Imma limestone all over the place

[wispy spoke]

#screenshots message kinda looks wonky but shouldnt it be balancing at like 10.67 constructors

[mortal ginkgo]

Rocky Desert, tons of limestone big bros of mine (pure)

[wispy spoke]

or is this because of 270 limit in mk3

that its balancing at 8

[mortal ginkgo]

dont use balancer, this is the major elephant that needs to be addressed.

use manifold, let constructors fill and in time it will all work

270/45 means 6 constructors max.

[wispy spoke]

😔

[versed cosmos]

for just 6 machines i think a balancer is fine tbh

[mortal ginkgo]

Sure but eh

[untold halo]

I just want to consume all resources available in the grassy fields for like 3-5 major factories of basic parts and THEN begin the expansion

It will be glorious

Maybe

[wispy spoke]

i was making molded beams one recipe requires 8 constructors

of limestone

[untold halo]

More like LAMEstone amirite

[green fiber]

Theres Limestone but wheres Lemonstone

[untold halo]

I made too much concrete also imma prob sink it and redo the conc factory

[wispy spoke]

time to make like 100+ constructors just to feed that ass for phase 3

[untold halo]

Phase 3 is where I have stalled but by choice

[versed cosmos]

wait until phase 4 lmao

[untold halo]

Ive beaten the game and know what's coming...thats why im building so much nonsense for the basics lol

[versed cosmos]

oh smart

i've never beaten the game even after having it since early access

got really good at the game up until phase 4 and then i just give up lol

[grizzled lotus]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1449062932951466004 is this a good recipe?

[wispy spoke]

also whats weird is the storage isnt overflowing; shouldnt it be overflowing if the constructors balances at 10.67

[versed cosmos]

YES

[untold halo]

I've played the game to beat it, now I'm playing the game to create a beautiful world of factorying

[primal obsidian]

TAKE IT

[versed cosmos]

or leave it in the mam

[grizzled lotus]

oh, ok. I'm still not familiar enough with the oil shenanigans

[primal obsidian]

spend 100 hours in each phase trust me

[versed cosmos]

only take the recipes youre going to use soon

leaving it in the map excludes it and the other recipe from showing up in future scans

take it when you actually want to build a big oil plant

[grizzled lotus]

yeah, I usually leave bad recipes so they don't pop up again

[compact flicker]

Whats yalls opinion on using bio/charcoal for mask filters?

[versed cosmos]

it's a decent use

i usually just throw a bunch of portable miners down on a coal node tho

[green fiber]

if you dont have coal available sure but...
If you have coal you can easily tap some off there

[versed cosmos]

better to leave those recipes in the mam

[silk moon]

what dy you guys think about the cofie cup

[compact flicker]

First ticket every time

[versed cosmos]

essential to effective pioneering

[silk moon]

i bougt it as the first thing in the asome shop

[green fiber]

most essential item

cannot build factories without it

[silk moon]

i know

[grizzled lotus]

I think it's just a meme item

[silk moon]

evry pioner casuly drinking cofie while flying acros the map in a hyper tube launcher

[versed cosmos]

peak pioneering

[silk moon]

but a good one

[silk moon]

fr

[compact flicker]

I have spent 54% of the time I've owned SatisFactory playing SatisFactory

[clear aspen]

Hello chat

[compact flicker]

Good time of day

[silk ocean]

FICSIT demand at least 65% xD

[clear aspen]

Thank you person

[compact flicker]

Ficsit got their hours from me.

[unkempt blade]

just make sure you switch sitting positions now and then so you don't get bedrot

[compact flicker]

ikik

[silk ocean]

You get bedrot in a factory cart more like xD

No room to swing a cat in that thing

[unkempt blade]

maybe my pioneer does but I touch grass to ward it off 😄

[versed cosmos]

gotta go collect biomass every now and then

[feral jay]

My trick is to use a not-so-comfortable chair, that way I'm always shifting positions

[cyan spruce]

Do you guys think it would be worth it to completely remove the starting base that I had and don't use anymore? I feel like I could use that area for a new factory but there's just so much to delete

[feral jay]

I never do, I just build new somewhere else. It's kinda neat to go back months later to a factory you haven't touched in months

It's not as if the game lacks for space

[mortal ginkgo]

website called SCIM allows you to load your save in and area delete everything

[feral jay]

Or that, mass delete with a save editor

[mortal ginkgo]

I used that got everything back

[unkempt blade]

if it's really just a starter base it's usually not that bad to delete it ingame using multidelete either

[cyan spruce]

How do I use scim

[silk ocean]

Comfy gaming chair and always getting up to make tea or coffee or get water xD

[cyan spruce]

Probably not but the thought of doing it burns a little

[mortal ginkgo]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map#4.5;-162994;-157233|gameLayer|;nitrogenGasWellImpure;nitrogenGasWellNormal;nitrogenGasWellPure

top right to load your save in, rest comes naturally

[cyan spruce]

Thanks

[feral jay]

https://discord.com/channels/156642424339300352/800631787197956107 is the developer's channel/server, that's the best place to ask questions

[cyan spruce]

Thanks everyone for saving me from burn out

[proud hill]

do i need to craft more bluepring designers to save more blueprints? i dont have steel production going yet so trying not to waste too many of those

[feral jay]

No

Just save the blueprint, and then clear the designer, and you can make a new print

Just don't hit the Clear Blueprint button by accident, there's no confirmation

That still bugs me

[reef basin]

no, definitely not.

Just build new and keep old. The map is huge and full of resources, and even a bad factory is still better than no factory

[gentle lion]

Is turbo heavy fuel.the good alternate ?

[hard ivy]

For what?

[gentle lion]

For turbo fuel?

[versed cosmos]

turbo blend is the best i think

[hard ivy]

What are you using it for?

[mortal ginkgo]

It is less output for more basic design

[gentle lion]

Oh so I don't want that one lol

For my oil / fuel Gen plant

[reef basin]

any alt is "good", depending on situation

[lime kraken]

is there a way for automatic nobelisk crafting?

[reef basin]

yes

[hard ivy]

For burning directly for power, turbo heavy is the worst. And turbo blend isn't much better. Only default turbofuel makes any sense to use for that. And even that's questionable imo

[versed cosmos]

what's bad about turbo blend?

[reef basin]

well again, depends on your preferences and goals

[lime kraken]

oh i didnt had the required research^^

[reef basin]

kyo hates it

[hard ivy]

It's barely more efficient than diluted? Might as well use diluted atp

[gentle lion]

I'm just trying to maximize my fuel.to turbo for generators

[versed cosmos]

can't you use diluted then blend for output?

[hard ivy]

As I said, that's only slightly more oil efficient. At the cost of a bunch of sulfur.

It's just a waste of sulfur imo

[white dawn]

You can certainly do both Diluted + Turbofuel, though if you're just looking to make it to the next phase, either on their own is generally more than sufficient. Diluted tends to be more "bang for your buck," so to speak, without requiring you finding coal+sulfur

[reef basin]

nothing much. It replaces coal with oil, so it helps people who want that. But there's some people who think like "if I don't see a use for the recipe, the recipe is useless for everyone else as well"

[white dawn]

I'm more positive on Turbofuel than most, but so long as you don't mind hard-drive hunting for both Heavy Oil Residue and (Packaged) Diluted Fuel, going the Diluted route is the more generally-preferred option

[versed cosmos]

oh yeah costs more sulfur

you need that later for a bunch of stuff right?

[white dawn]

Pretty trivial to get yourself a few tens of GW off a single oil node using just Diluted

[reef basin]

not really, depends on what "bunch of stuff" you'll build in the future

[white dawn]

Sulfur's mostly for late-game power and some munitions. It is a more limited resource, though by the same token you really have to try hard to literally exhaust the map's supply

I wouldn't personally worry about using "too much" early in the game; you'll still have plenty for later on unless you're intentionally building staggeringly big factories, IMO

(Though I'd still in general give a recommendation to just do Diluted instead. But I've done Turbofuel for power in the past, and it can be fun, so do whatever you like. :)

(Remember that whenever you ask for look for advice about basically anything in this game, you're gonna get hit with like twelve mutually-exclusive opinions about it. So long as you're having fun, you're playing it right. There's really no decision in the game that's worth stressing about! Just do whatever, you'll be fine. :)

[reef basin]

especially when it is about alt recipes or recipes in general

[honest sleet]

anyone ever get that feeling when you're trying to figure out what past you was doing with your conveyor belt setup?

[reef basin]

not really, because I don't touch previous factories

[mortal ginkgo]

Rocket Fuel literally rules out turbo fuel when used for fuel. You get so much power for so little usage that turbo becomes just a product to reach it.

[honest sleet]

i know that i'm making Versitile Frames, i just don't know where they are going

[versed cosmos]

space elevator and if you've fully automated it you can send it to sink after

[reef basin]

as always, depends 😉

[honest sleet]

HA i found them

[gentle lion]

I've been exploring what I assume is the rocky desert I like.rhis large area...I need to set up some fuel gens of some kind here... Make a base

I found some coal bug no water....

[minor seal]

oh man... i wish you could actually rotate the locked hologram... additionally to nudging it... i often have to rotate it "blindly" more or less, especially when it comes to foundations.... without R1 / Ctrl it will snap in 45 degree increments only, with R1 you can actually rotate it in 5 degree increments. Thats good so far, but it would be very handy to be able to rotate while nudging too

[versed cosmos]

rocky desert has a TON of water

[white dawn]

There's a number of places on the map which have 3-4 coal nodes right next to large bodies of water; just keep searching. :)

[gentle lion]

I'll ah e to jump start with biomass burners I guess lol

[white dawn]

If you're in rocky desert, there's some good spots up in the northwest, and down south (you'll want to do some elevation change to get there. :)

[versed cosmos]

northwest area of the rocky desert has coal nodes by water and with iron not far if you want to make steel too

[gentle lion]

I'm at 3776.-1208

Oh just found 2 right next to looooots of water

I killed chat....🤔

[mortal ginkgo]

hi

[gentle lion]

Hi lol

[whole robin]

Mr node do you like being used exclusively for making concrete

[mortal ginkgo]

Yes. Please make sure to use refineries for the best outcome. Yes pls.

[whole robin]

I don't have those unlocked yet, but I'll see what I can do

[mortal ginkgo]

blz make sure to decorate nicely when you have them too: #ad

#design-and-architecture message

[real shale]

me : just got christmas power lights "surely i cant apply these to power tower lines right"
also me : remembers this is a coffee stain game of course i can :D

[whole robin]

Did the FICSIT corporation think it was a good idea to give every single engineer a free nuclear bomb in their advent calendar

[real shale]

its just what i wanted

[cunning lily]

How do I delete blueprints I don't like? The files from the blue print machine, to clarify.

[real shale]

well, it wasnt, i wanted the mixtape and then i was surprised this morning

[gentle lion]

How much power to kick start a the coal gens again just the water extractors right?

[deft belfry]

is there a known issue with the search bar in the MAM?
recipes in the library not showing up when searching

[azure pulsar]

Is there a way to speed up/automate hard drive decoding?

[mortal ginkgo]

Not without mods. Idea is as you search for drives, you just let it continue behind.

research continues even if you delete the MaM so

[azure pulsar]

Yeah, I just keep forgetting to slap a new drive into the MaM.

Oh, you can build MaMs as you go? That'll help

[mortal ginkgo]

you can build everything as you go

Mam does not need power so

[azure pulsar]

Well, I assumed it had an inventory that would stop the research if deconstructed. Thinking about it, that doesn't make any sense, but I just hadn't thought of that

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah game doesn't tell you but you can put the drive in, remove the MaM and it will continue behind np

[silk ocean]

1.2 belts need to be powered 😈

[mortal ginkgo]

Mods, this is the one. Yes, his words literally corrupted my mind, soul and flesh.

Put'im in jail. Fast.

[silk ocean]

There is a mod for that? XD

[azure pulsar]

I'm currently in the process of getting all my basic resources into dimensional depots, and it is nice

Not having to go grab shit like concrete/plates/wires/cables is wonderful.

[silk ocean]

Best feature in the game xD

[white dawn]

Honestly IMO the game behavior is unintuitive. You can have more than one MAM built at a time, and they all share identical state, and any research they're doing will persist even if you have zero built in your world. So you slap one down, start drive research, then dismantle it right away. Ten minutes later you get the notification and can start another (or just go in to redeem)

[mortal ginkgo]

no but there is a CURSED and beyond salvation mod that makes everything costs a heck tons, which causes belt to ask for screws too so.

[white dawn]

Especially since the other buildings which "unlock" things for you (HUB, Space Elevator) can only be built once. (I suppose the shop is sort of another exception, but at least that doesn't have the IMO-unintuitive active-research-even-post-deconstruction thing)

[silk ocean]

MAM is just an interface to the FICSIT supercomputer in orbit xD

[silk ocean]

What monster created that XD

[azure pulsar]

Also, I saw a tip on YouTube to get multiplication from Somersloops before processing slugs into power shards, and I might've gone overboard with hoarding my slugs. I think 200-ish shards should be enough for the time being...

[whole robin]

What are the odds for the first hard drive you scan to have cast screws?

[mortal ginkgo]

We are an intergalactic company worker yet it takes 10 minutes to scan a silly harddrive for 4 possible alt recipes.

[silk ocean]

About 1 in 53

[azure pulsar]

Pretty high, from what I've seen.

[mortal ginkgo]

I think he is still in jail to this day. Kibitz played it once and there is a "conveyor belt" as item that mk2+ belts ask for.

It was pure madness. I wept as angels fell and even demons cried.

[azure pulsar]

Since you can't get things you don't have the research for.

[ornate saffron]

Depends what you have unlocked when you scan it

[mortal ginkgo]

My brotherman of century, Iron Wire isn't a intergalactic discovery. It shouldn't take 10 mins to find it.

[white dawn]

Hey, we don't know what kind of encoding is going on in those things. :D And keep in mind that the machines which use those recipes are often made of some iron plates and cables and yet the recipes are called on to do some awfully magical transformations. The recipes are presumably incredibly data-dense. :)

If you don't get those quantum states just right the whole recipe could fall apart

[whole robin]

How many calories are in a hard drive 🤤🤤

[ornate saffron]

I always few ficsit as a evil corporation, the scanning of harddrives is for there benefit amd we don't know what that benefit is. Us getting alternative recipies is a side effect

[mortal ginkgo]

Brotherman of ancient history, we got TELEPORTERS. We got Nuclear Power without WASTE. We got SPACE ELEVATORS.

A hard drive is a HARD DRIVE. RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

[white dawn]

And the foundation for literally all that? Recipes.

[azure pulsar]

Is the Basic Iron Ingot recipe worth it? Seems odd to have to use a Foundry instead of a Smelter for just a higher production rate and resource efficiency.

[mortal ginkgo]

There is an easter egg ||where the MaM hard drive scanner shows a writing of a confused human that seems to be stuck in the drive||.

I mean, it IS evil.

[white dawn]

Do you want your iron ore to stretch further, and have some limestone handy? Sure, why not?

Wait until you find some Pure recipes. :)

[gentle lion]

Start of Coal for my rocky desert area. Now to figure out how I get back a looooong way to main base....

#screenshots message

[azure pulsar]

Just seems like a waste of infrastructure since iron is goddamn everywhere.

[versed cosmos]

that's the dune desert lol

[azure pulsar]

Molded Steel Pipes, the other option, seems more useful.

[white dawn]

Sure, though it's not impossible to exhaust locally-available nodes and want something more iron-efficient

[whole robin]

The entire game is infrastructure, why not make more of it

[white dawn]

Just because you've not yet encountered a situation where you think it'd be useful doesn't mean that the situation doesn't occur

[azure pulsar]

True. I suppose I'll just get it later, since from what I understand there are more than enough hard drives for every single alternative recipes.

[white dawn]

End-game builds in particular can really chew through resources, and increasing even iron ore efficiency might be something you want/need to do

(I admit that I've personally generally found Basic Iron Ingot a bit of a hard sell; the amount of limestone you need for it often exceeds what I'm willing to spend locally. But still, recipes are situational. You just might not have found the situation for it yet)

[mortal ginkgo]

No need for that when Pure Ingot recipe exist to be fair.

[white dawn]

Can get Basic far earlier. And many folks simply don't like the Pure recipes

You might want to make your ore go further but not care that you're not getting the absolute max ore efficiency out of 'em

[wind siren]

do you guys go out of your way to hunt down certain alt recipes before building "end game" production lines for things?

[ornate saffron]

Having a factory of 50 refineries is soul crushing

[versed cosmos]

yep i don't build aluminium before i get the pure ingot recipe lol

[white dawn]

Heh, weirdly, for how often I complain about Endless Fuel Gen Spam™, for some reason I don't actually mind Endless Refinery Spam™. :D

[wind siren]

i'm trying atm to see how far i can get unlocking tiers etc before going and building anything end game type

[white dawn]

Personally I generally try to stay "caught up" with recipes in general. I like reaching the "no more research available" point. Then I've got all the options while building!

[whole robin]

Is it a bit silly to use power shards just to make the rates from machine to machine produce no excess so it doesn't clog?

[white dawn]

So long as you've got the power overhead, go for it

[wind siren]

my biggest problem going all the way back is not wanting to build a prodcution for something en masse until i had the end recipe i planned to use

[white dawn]

(Could also use an extra machine and underclock instead of using a shard, but it's definitely a personal preference kind of thing)

[mortal ginkgo]

its what we most do. It stabilizes the power further (instead of going on and off with machines).

we even do it by underclocking.

[white dawn]

You can also "solve" that by not centralizing resource production in the first place. If you just build whatever you need Right Now, and know that you'll build more later, that concern tends to evaporate

And also lets you use multiple factory chains for a resource throughout a playthrough, which I personally find quite enjoyable

Can fit the factory to the location and enjoy more build variety while you do it

[wind siren]

yeah, but then it gets in the way of WHERE i want certain subfactories in the map and my OCD highway/train layout setup

[whole robin]

What's underclocking?

[wind siren]

i do want to not centralize this playthru, not sure if i will achieve it though

[mortal ginkgo]

when you unlock overclocking, you also unlock underclock, reducing the speed of the machine etc

[whole robin]

Ohhh

[wind siren]

underclocking should i think reduce power consumption too

[white dawn]

Yeah, so instead of adding a shard and clocking something to 150%, you could add a second machine and clock it to 50% instead (without needing a shard)

(Or clock both to 75%)

[mortal ginkgo]

if you need 2.667 Constructors, you can have 2 on 100% and other at 66.7%, so it doesn't constintly toggle and off, providing a more stable power network

[wind siren]

so, i am presently working on phase 2 of the elevator so i can work tier 5

trying to stick with VERY minimal production trickling for stuff just to do unlocks

[versed cosmos]

can also use 2 constructors at 133.33...% or 3 at 88.9%!

[versed cosmos]

and it reduces it by more than the percentage you underclock it by so you actually save a little extra power!

[mortal ginkgo]

Yes, though over 100% you will be using power shard which means sacrificing shards and power for space.

[versed cosmos]

yeah ofc

[azure pulsar]

I should probably be trying to progress through phase 2, but I'm over here automating FICSMAS production...

[white dawn]

ADA will have some things to say about that, for sure

[mortal ginkgo]

self report, Mods, you know what to do

[covert brook]

Anyone know how to enable free cam

[vagrant zodiac]

how to scroll down in hard drive library?

[mortal ginkgo]

P + R

[versed cosmos]

Reported for unproductive pioneering

[covert brook]

Thx

[azure pulsar]

But I'm producing cheer, which makes me a more productive pioneer in the long run

[mortal ginkgo]

Not even self reflecting, wow.

[white dawn]

I always thought that if they ever decide to expand the FICSMAS production lines into later-tier buildings, we should have a "Holiday Cheer" fluid as part of the production lines

Potentially culminating in Eggnog

[gentle lion]

I ran out of iron plates lol had it find iron node make a few by hand to make poratbale miner to make mk2 miner....😂

But it was a pure node. Yay

[solemn crystal]

speaking of miners
portable miner mk2/mk3 when

[cyan spruce]

Why tho

[solemn crystal]

because its funny as hell

[cyan spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

I keep forgetting that gifs are illegal here

[wind siren]

hmm, not sure where a priority merger is useful

[silk ocean]

Rarely

[wind siren]

only thing i can remotely think of is in oil refining

[white dawn]

Injected manifolds (though you can also do those without), folks attempting "bus" designs, etc

[cyan spruce]

They seem like one of those things that do a very niche thing but they're the only way to do that

[white dawn]

It's fairly niche, though folks have been asking for them nearly since the first public release. Nice to have the option, at least!

[wind siren]

i know its new since i last played so....

[cyan spruce]

Is it normal to spend like 8 times as much time on phase 3 than the first 2 combined

[silk ocean]

Sounds about right

[wind siren]

depends on size of production i guess

[cyan spruce]

I've been overhauling everything for weeks and I'm not even working on the project parts yet

[silk ocean]

Wait for phase 4 😈

[wind siren]

i was annoyed the blueprint mod i have needs tier9 to unlock 🙁

[cyan spruce]

I'm terrified of aluminum

[wind siren]

aluminum was easy, batteries sucked

[cyan spruce]

Hoping my overhauls make it less scary

[silk ocean]

It's not that bad once you get the hang of recycling waste

or.. "bi-products" technically speaking

[wind siren]

i had more of a headache getting a drone network going than anything

[cyan spruce]

I'm doing that with my oil setup right now so I hope I'm doing it well there

[versed cosmos]

With oil the game gives you intended uses for the byproducts so it's p easy

With aluminium water is used in a bunch of stuff so you can get creative with it

[silk ocean]

Worst case you can use the biproduct water in coal generators but that's not very ideal, there are better solutions

[versed cosmos]

Use electrode scrap and you'll already have oil on-site so you can make oil products with the water

Plastic or rubber or diluted fuel

[reef basin]

fyi the correct spelling is "byproduct"

[gentle lion]

Pretty nice area , making some.basox parts i need for foundations and more coal generators

[unkempt blade]

but what if there's two of them?

[reef basin]

then it's getting out of hand

[zenith pecan]

Not a uniproduct then.

I so can't type on my phone 🥶

[silk ocean]

Yea I fail xD

Seems to be confusion over whether it's hyphenated or not. Cambridge Dictionary hyphenates it

Ah right the noun is not hyphenated

[reef basin]

yeah but it's alwasy Y, never I

[silk ocean]

or maybe it can be, urgh xD I think it's really either acceptable

[white dawn]

I think you'll find the correct spelling is "biplane."

[zenith pecan]

That does refer to the presence of two sets of airfoils.

[silk ocean]

Yea Biplane all one

[brazen cove]

what do i do what do i do....

[marsh flicker]

I'm placing buildings and they're elevated like 5 feet in the air. Where can I see bug reports etc to research this issue?

[versed cosmos]

placing on the ground or on foundations?

[unkempt blade]

byeproduct is also valid because it's leaving the machine so it's saying bye to it

[silk ocean]

It's also Byecart, because yo fallin' off a cliff, son

[marsh flicker]

on foundations, with no rocks etc protruding

[brazen cove]

i have so much coal generators, that they eat a ton of coal. and i also have a pure coal mine. and it does make the coal. but this mine is at some not far location, but i still use trucks because it would be a ton of work making that conveyor belt, and my trucks are not fast enough/ my mine to get the required coal to my coal generators. what do i do?

[versed cosmos]

are you producing enough coal at the mine to feed all of the coal generators or is the truck not giving you enough throughput?

[unkempt blade]

use more trucks or fewer generators 😄

[mortal tree]

Guys what does the hard drive do

[brazen cove]

the problem is i need all that electricity... and is there a way to somehow make my trucks go 1 by 1 and doing the same trip?

[versed cosmos]

it saves the game

[zenith pecan]

When it comes to power, I'll use belts only for the solid stuff, a vehicle having a fritz can mess the whole thing up and case a blackout.

[versed cosmos]

nah im being silly u can research them in the mam to get alternate recipes

[mortal tree]

What

Oh

[versed cosmos]

have you unlocked the MAM yet?

[mortal tree]

Yeah im researching it

[versed cosmos]

nice

[gentle lion]

I may so far away from my home lol.im at 4400, -1200? And base it at -540 something lol

[versed cosmos]

dont do everything in one location

[unkempt blade]

My memory is all running together - were you the guy from yesterday who was choosing to move coal instead of building generators next to the coal nodes? Because the 3rd options is "build the generators closer to the coal"

oh wait, 4th option - replace the trucks with many factory carts

[brazen cove]

yes, i am. and i can't place coal generators next to my mines because then i won't get enough water for my generators

[versed cosmos]

when you're dealing with fluids always build near the fluids

[brazen cove]

but they are so slow for going uphill

[brazen cove]

yea that's why

[unkempt blade]

they don't need fuel so just add more until you have enough despite whatever speed you're seeing 😄

[versed cosmos]

you could always find another coal source closer to water

[mortal tree]

Can you check dms?

[brazen cove]

i think i can't, i tried finding one but failed. there is no closer one, it's the only coal source i have

[white dawn]

Yeah, there are a lot of places on the map with 3-4 coal nodes right next to large bodies of water

[zenith pecan]

Just put the coal on belts.

[white dawn]

You might have to go further afield than you think, but there's spots near all of the starting zones

It's well worth your time to go seek those out

[brazen cove]

2.5km of belts, lets goooo

[white dawn]

If you are having problems finding it, you can use SCIM (https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map) to locate likely areas, though note that that's a full-map spoiler, which you may not want

[zenith pecan]

Why not, I've had 10km belts in the past

[white dawn]

Were you the person earlier who was in Rocky Desert?

[brazen cove]

me? i don't think so

[white dawn]

If so, as was said earlier: the Northwest corner of Rocky Desert has a great spot, and there's another great spot to the south (which requires a bit of a hike uphill)

Ah, okay, nevermind then

[brazen cove]

it's all hills and mountains

i think i will try to do the thing factory carts told me

[zenith pecan]

I use tunnels to get around that.

[white dawn]

But yeah, there's a lot of spots on the map which were literally handcrafted to be ideal coal-power-generation spots. IMO if you're looking at transporting either coal or water for coal power, it's worth abandoning that plan to go find the better spot. :)

[brazen cove]

tunnels?

[brazen cove]

i just need to finish this 2nd space elevator lvl.... and after that i can finally get fuel gens

[zenith pecan]

Yeah, tunnels.

[white dawn]

I mean, you're going to have to go afield to find oil as well. :)

Where have you been factory-building thus far? Can point you in the right direction for nice coalgen spots

[brazen cove]

i think i have 1 node in the middle of no where

[brazen cove]

i have like 14 coal gens now... idk if i will have the patience of moving all of them

[white dawn]

Don't move 'em then; just build new ones

It's not uncommon to finish Phase 2 with anywhere from 32-64 coalgens

(Which is easy to accomplish at the sites I've been alluding to. :)

[zenith pecan]

14?, don't let him see my three towers facility 🤣

[wind siren]

64? thats a bit much. i have 6 atm

16 that is

[versed cosmos]

okay so for coal generators you're gonna want to know ratios

[white dawn]

All depends on how "big" you want to build, and how much you don't want to have to think about power for awhile. :)

[versed cosmos]

one coal generator takes 15 coal/min and 45 water/min

[white dawn]

Power is the one thing I will always happily over-build

[brazen cove]

well i guess you can show me then, i would be very happy if you could say me a better place to make those things for finishing lvl2 of space elevator

[white dawn]

I admit that 64 coalgens is starting to drop off the other side of the bell curve a bit; I'm personally more likely to end up with like 48ish

[versed cosmos]

i only ever build 16 coal gens and just watch my power consumption until i get to oil lol

[zenith pecan]

I stop at 32 with coal these days, done 96 a while back.

[unkempt blade]

like 40-48 has been pretty normal for my saves so I think you're suggesting the right ballpark

[brazen cove]

what was your way/ where did you build all those materials required for lvl3?

[white dawn]

1.2GW would feel way too restrictive to me; I like having a lot of build freedom no matter what my phase (though I do sometimes build quite tight in Phase 1). 32's definitely my personal minimum

[versed cosmos]

i set up my modular frames and steel beams and pipes and go exploring

get back and i have a bunch

[zenith pecan]

I probably don't need to build more power, ever, not since I knlined the three towers.

[white dawn]

(You can get through Phase 2 just by sticking with Bio Burners if you really want to, so of course any amount of Coal Gens isn't strictly speaking necessary. :D)

[brazen cove]

so apocalyptech, can you show me a better place for the energy? / what do i do with my current energy supply

[unkempt blade]

if I do too few coal gens I always feel like it slows me down transitioning to oil and not just for the second elevator package

[wind siren]

i'd prefer to use blueprints for large scale power honestly

[white dawn]

As I asked before: where are you at the moment? Where have you been building factories? (Or, put another way: what start zone did you pick, and are you still mostly in that zone? :)

[versed cosmos]

demady can you take a screenshot of your map or largest area you can see

[white dawn]

Yeah, you need a bit of power overhead to get the fuel gens going anyway, and refineries can feel expensive if you're running tight already

[versed cosmos]

i start my basic fuel setup on biomass and then use that to turn everything else on

[unkempt blade]

I want a nice pile of motors and encased beams and stuff so I can spam out a bunch of fuel gens ASAP

[brazen cove]

idk the exact place or how it called, i just know that it's near the beach

[versed cosmos]

there's a few beaches man

[brazen cove]

the most left beach

[versed cosmos]

on your compass is the water to the east or west

[brazen cove]

like next to the plains

[versed cosmos]

top of the screen

[loud vessel]

yeniyim beraber oynamak isteyen dm atsın

[brazen cove]

SW

[zenith pecan]

Huh?

[white dawn]

Is your environment green, lots of grass around? Or more deserty with weird blue plants and such. (Can slap a screenshot in #screenshots too, if you like)

[unkempt blade]

think he was by rocky desert

[brazen cove]

the screenshot of the map right?

[versed cosmos]

yes

[white dawn]

Sure, or just your game screen, honestly

[versed cosmos]

we need to figure out where you are to help you man the map is huge

alr he's on the west coast

[white dawn]

Okay, so you're basically inbetween Grass Fields and Rocky Desert

[versed cosmos]

oil coast area

[white dawn]

There's a couple of good coalgen spots sort of Westish Eastish; one veering a bit north, one a bit south. You'll have to go up a bit to find either

If you find yourself in a red forest you might want to beat a hasty retreat; that area's a bit intense. :) The coal areas aren't in there.

er

[versed cosmos]

yeah demady if you go way up north there's a good spot for coal power

and yes avoid red forest it's evil there

[white dawn]

Said "west" at first. The coal spots are not out in the ocean, sorry. :D

[brazen cove]

hmm alright let me take a ride there

[white dawn]

Yeah, the spot that's more north is "better" than the one that's more south

If you want to go for a longer hike, you could just hug the coast and go directly north; there's a very good spot in the northwest of the map

But the other two spots are closer

[brazen cove]

okay i think i will make a very long ride

[versed cosmos]

there's also a ton of iron by those coal nodes

a limestone node and i think a copper node too but its impure

[brazen cove]

wait but what do you mean by red forest? where is it

[versed cosmos]

you'd have to go up to get there

[white dawn]

You'll know if you find yourself in a forest that's predominantly got red leaves and such

[versed cosmos]

you don't wanna go there

[white dawn]

(I mean, you'll eventually want to go there. But avoid for now. :)

[versed cosmos]

red forest is kind of the highest flat area on the map you'd have to do some climbing to get there

[brazen cove]

oh lol alright, i guess it's like full of strong enemies

[white dawn]

One of the coal-power spots (arguably one of the best) is pretty close to red forest, but not actually in it, and you don't have to go through red forest to get there

[honest sleet]

just finished automating T4 space elevator parts

[versed cosmos]

the crater lakes spot right?

those pure nodes are rlly nice

[white dawn]

I suppose if you're playing with mobs on peaceful/retaliate then there's no reason to avoid it, of course. :)

[brazen cove]

no i'm playing normal mode

[versed cosmos]

i play on passive and i always go to the red forest to tear it down for biomass lol

[white dawn]

re: the other spot in screenshots: yeah, that's a very nice spot as well (and will frequently be what Grass Fields-start folks will end up using)

[versed cosmos]

one trip can power everything until i get coal

yeah that's THE grass fields coal spot

[brazen cove]

so what do i choose? go up or go to the location i found?

[versed cosmos]

that's up to you

[white dawn]

I'd recommend you get used to making your own decisions in this game, btw. :)

[versed cosmos]

if you've already got a lot of stuff in the grassy fields i'd say the grassy fields spot

[white dawn]

(Despite the fact that we've been giving you advice about where to build coal power. :D)

[versed cosmos]

rocky desert is a very nice place though

decent number of pure nodes

[white dawn]

Nearly everything in the game is up to you; there's really no wrong way to play. (Despite us recommending that you go to one of the "better" coal-power-generation spots. ). Any of the spots identified will serve you well

[brazen cove]

alright guys i think i will stick to the 4 normal nodes place, thanks for the help and i will continue my wonderful suffering about automating 3 pieces for the 2nd lvl of space elevator

[brazen cove]

alright as you say

[versed cosmos]

been a while since i've played grassy fields where do people usually build steel there?

[white dawn]

"Play however you like! Except make sure to do this in particular!"

[versed cosmos]

looking at the map no spot seems that good

[white dawn]

There's a spot with coal on the south which is good enough for early game steel

[versed cosmos]

there's only 2 nodes in the grassy fields although they are pure

[white dawn]

Got some sulfur over there too, which is nice for nobelisk automation

[brazen cove]

grassy fields is next to the pink forest?

[versed cosmos]

oh yeah

by that crater next to the big arch

[white dawn]

I actually really like Grass Fields start because the nodes aren't as objectively "good" as a lot of other places. You don't really need a lot for your early-game stuff, so it's nice to build out there and then have a whole map of great building spots available once you're actually capable of building At Scale

[zenith pecan]

Pfft, that reminds me of those that tried telling me I can't build tunnels 😜

[white dawn]

Like yeah, there's not a lot of coal there, but there's certainly more than enough to get by

[zenith pecan]

Best part is, I've been told that in spite of me having already posted a lot of evidence to the contrary.

[white dawn]

It's probably at least partially a side-effect of this server being like 80% helping folks who are frustrated with problems which often stem from overcomplicating things; a lot of well-intentioned advice tends to end up being geared to simplification and making things easier. Sometimes difficult to snap out of that mindset

[versed cosmos]

yeah

[white dawn]

Like I know I'll typically recommend against stuff like megafactories and bus designs and the like, but it's not like you can't do those things and have fun, and have it work out and be clean. :D It's just that newer folks attempting those things often end up running into problems sort of caused by those design decisions, and an "easier" solution would be to Not Do It instead

[brazen cove]

but why did my generators begin to work all of the sudden...

sometimes it's very hard to understand...

[versed cosmos]

when i first wanted to build aluminium i wanted to just use 1 refinery for sloppy alumina and 1 refinery for scrap and someone told me to fully utilise a node giving 600 bauxite per minute

like i was never going to actually finish that project if i tried to do that lol

best to have something small that works than something big that will forever be halfway done

[zenith pecan]

I never left my baux refinery half done, and that processes all the worlds bauxite.

[versed cosmos]

yeah that's great but i couldn't do that lmao

[zenith pecan]

Why not?

[versed cosmos]

too big

too much to think about

[zenith pecan]

You'd hate my power station then, that thing is immense.

[versed cosmos]

i want to eventually build a big turbo plant in the blue crater

think that'll be my first "big" build

[zenith pecan]

Larger projects just need to be broken down into easier to digest chunks, take your planned turbofuel, build off one well at a time for dilute, next project, compact coal and so on.

Don't try to keep the whole overview in mind, that's a way to cause epic procrastination.

[versed cosmos]

oh yeah i definitely procrastinate on the big projects lol

[zenith pecan]

I've absolutely procrastinated.

My work/life balance shifting favour of work only made the procrastination worse.

[versed cosmos]

don't want to come home and do more work lmao

or too much brain power gets spent at work and there's none left for the factory

[zenith pecan]

Especially after needing to re-image 400 machines after some idiot at the to made a policy change that's stuffed everything up.

[reef basin]

english only server #rules

[versed cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/english-motherfucker-speak-do-you-speak-it-sam-l-jackson-gif-4693590

aww

[zenith pecan]

Can't gif in here.

[loud vessel]

ok sorry

[reef basin]

and your gif is perfect example why 😛

[loud vessel]

Is anyone interested in joining us in Turkey? I'm new

[reef basin]

#1201555265942724758

though I'd recommend to play solo for your first playthrough

[honest sleet]

just set up reactor #2, power grid likey

[strong fiber]

Im not doing nuclear power for a while because it scares me

Probably not till phase 5

Because i can just build a turbofuel plant

[green fiber]

wait till you hear about the better turbo fuel

[reef basin]

yeah, it's called "diluted fuel"

[bitter lodge]

why not rocket fuel?

[strong fiber]

Whats rocket fuel

[leaden turret]

-# watts rocket fuel

[strong fiber]

I have heavy oil residue and diluted fuel

[strong fiber]

Is it better turbo fuel?

[reef basin]

that depends what do you call "better"

[leaden turret]

!wikisearch Rocket+Fuel

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Rocket+Fuel

[strong fiber]

Like more resource efficient

Less crude for more power?

[reef basin]

I know you want a simple "yes" or "no" question, but it's not that simple

resource efficiency depends on selected recipes and on how you value different resources (e.g. do you care more about oil or sulfur or coal, and how much more).

All the fuels in turbofuel branch (turbo, rocket, ionized) basically convert non-oil resources to more power, so if you only care for less crude -> more power, then any of those will be just fine

however it also depends on whether you care about the other resources and increased complexity of the production line 😉

[spark bramble]

Sup guys

[strong fiber]

I think i could make around 600 turbo fuel a minute for now until i unlock blenders

[reef basin]

you could also make diluted fuel until you unlock nuclear 😉

there's many options

[spark bramble]

btw, needed some tips on the coal power plants, I mean how to transport coal over distances like 600m, or maybe make the generator near the miner and then use power lines?

[leaden turret]

-# finding it suspicious that my other questions were answered in this week's dev stream, but the one about spline foundations wasn't......
-# cough 1.2 maybe?

[bitter lodge]

A better fuel for fuel gens than turbo fuel

[reef basin]

make gens near water, transport coal to water

[white dawn]

There's various spots on the map where there's 3-4 coal nodes right near large bodies of water; those spots are ideal for coal gens. I recommend building your power there, and then having a line of power cables back to your other factories

[gentle lion]

I ran some over 2km before 600 is easy

[white dawn]

It's a good first exposure to building outposts out in the wild! :)

[leaden turret]

1. power towers
2. run belt 600m
3. move coal to wherever the water is

[strong fiber]

but if i turn the diluted fuel into turbo fuel cant i get more power

[gentle lion]

I started my rocky desert outpost

[spark bramble]

oh, cool, thanks

[reef basin]

you can, but you can also spend the time building more diluted fuel 🙂

[leaden turret]

🏭🛖

[white dawn]

(I would say don't even move the coal. There's some great spots which are literally hand-crafted to be good coal-power-generation spots, with both coal+water right there. But yes, if you're going to use coal that's not near water, move the coal instead of the water. :)

[strong fiber]

But then i need mote fuel generators

[reef basin]

you'd need that no matter what

[gentle lion]

@white dawn The 2 coal nodes on the east coast and I'm running sulfur there so I can double the number of coal gens

[reef basin]

if you want more power, you need more fuel gens

[strong fiber]

With turbo fuel i would need less generators for more power

[gentle lion]

But more is more powah

[reef basin]

no

generators make same amount of power, no matter the fuel

[white dawn]

A Fuel Generator produces 250MW (when run at 100%) regardless of what fuel you use. The difference in fuels is how quickly they burn, not how much power an individual generator produces

[strong fiber]

so i would need more generators with turbofuel

[white dawn]

So with Turbo Fuel (or Diluted Fuel) you're actually adding Fuel Gens. :)

[limpid orchid]

Does someone has the Math for the Computer. How much for the maschines and stuff

[strong fiber]

And wuth diluted fuel the production chain is simpler

[ornate saffron]

Check out satisfactory tools you can choose your recipes and input your resources

[gentle lion]

Diluted fuel turned into turbo 😉

[reef basin]

that's very generic question - you have tons of options on recipes/recipe chains, also how much you want to produce, etc. Honestly at that point in the game you should be able to make your own math

[bitter lodge]

how many are you trying to make per min?

[limpid orchid]

Ik, i just getting into it again

[real shale]

thank you coffee stain for this glorious new music tape

[white dawn]

Yeah, in a vacuum, Diluted Fuel (packaged or otherwise) tends to give you more bang for the buck. Turbofuel's nice in that they are "guaranteed" unlocks from the MAM (ie: don't need to rely on RNG to find the right alt recipes), but has the downside of requiring you to use up sulfur+coal. Diluted requires finding two specific recipes via hard drive scanning, but ends up getting you more power per unit of oil, compared to Turbofuel, and only requires water as an extra input

[reef basin]

if you need e.g. 25 GW of power, you need 100 fuel gens

it doesn't matter if you use diluted fuel or turbofuel or any other fuel

the difference is how much fuel one gen needs

[white dawn]

The other downside to Phase 3 diluted fuel is that you need to use the Packaged version of the recipe, which adds some build complexity. But some clever use of Blueprints can make that mostly a non-issue

[leaden turret]

-# putting diluted fuel on a vacuum is a fire hazard

[spark bramble]

ok, so here is what I was thinking, transport 4-5 coal lines near water bodies, and that would make a coal power plant unit, then each automated factory itself has a connection to a grid that interconnects all the coal power plants, and also has a biofuel powerplant in it for backup where we have constructor to make biofuel the system fuels itself to make it,
THe factory takes in raw materials (limestone, iron, copper) via conveyor belt, but maybe we can also use tractors to transport that stuff?

[white dawn]

Oh, and yeah, can certainly do that. :D Honestly rather overkill for Phase 3, generally, but certainly possible. It's not uncommon for folks to do that as part of a Rocket Fuel line, though. :P

[reef basin]

there's online planners that can help you if you don't want to do the actual math, but there's no generic "setup for computers" or anything

[wind siren]

heh, anything involving the manf is not pretty anyway 😄

[strong fiber]

i gotta package water

and i need canisters

[reef basin]

for what?

[strong fiber]

For the diluted packaged fuel

gotta package water

[reef basin]

the packages cycle inside it, don't need to make them forever

[strong fiber]

Dont i need to make plastic

And use the plastic from the polymer resin to make canasisters so its a forerver lasting system

[leaden turret]

there's non-plastic alts

[short root]

I have a dilluted fuel with packaged water with recycling canisters going through a storage and a dilluted fuel with blenders.

[reef basin]

it is forever lasting system without production of canisters

[short root]

It works as proposed

[strong fiber]

wait what recipes do i need???

is it just diluted fuel

[reef basin]

you make a small loop water packager -> diluted packaged fuel refinery -> fuel unpackager, put 20 canisters in it and it will work forever

don't need to make extra canisters or anything

[strong fiber]

what if i use residual fuel with heavy oil residue alternate

would that work good

[reef basin]

why not the diluted packaged fuel?

[strong fiber]

it seems complicated

[reef basin]

it's not that much complicated

but if you want easy, just go with base fuel recipe

[strong fiber]

would heavy oil resdue give me more fuel tho

[reef basin]

do the math 😉

[strong fiber]

nope the regular recipe would be better

so its either the diluted packaged fuel or regular recipe

[short root]

When you combine the Residual Fuel with the Heavy Oil Residue alternate recipe, you get more fuel out of the same amount of oil.

Not as good as diluted fuel, but better than the default recipe of direct oil to fuel.

[strong fiber]

yeah the calculator wasn’t using the alternate

It was tryna make rubber first

instead of just straight up heavy oil residue

[short root]

Yeah that is not so efficient if you wanna get fuel.

Correct, the Heavy Oil Residue alternate recipe is one of the best ones in the fuel chains for this reason.

Also if you combine it with Recycled Plastic and Recycled Rubber, but this is also a more complex chain.

[gentle lion]

I've realized power doesn't go as far as you think lol

[white dawn]

The factory must grow! 🥳

[zenith pecan]

It does if you build power on a huge scale.

[primal obsidian]

my favorite part of this game is watching in horror as i lose 50 GW to a train jam

oh wow i sure do love seeing red lights on my reactors

[wind siren]

???? traffic jam caused power spike?

[south sinew]

I assume that's a component needed for nuclear fuel

[primal obsidian]

yup

all of them except copper and uranium actually

ok theres no control rods now??

[zenith pecan]

Eh?

[primal obsidian]

ahhh i seee a random belt disconnected itself after the server update

cutoff half my factory from iron

[zenith pecan]

Unless its a Denuvo game or most cinema (Disney not even worth ☠️ ) then I personally oppose 🏴‍☠️ , though I understand it is usually a service issue.

Some folks are just cheap.

[white dawn]

Honestly this much talk about it might be more disruptive than the original incident

There is a "no talking about piracy" rule on the server; if you do ever see someone with a pirated version, go ahead and be a snitch if you like. Not really worth all the hullabaloo in either case, though. :)

[zenith pecan]

🤷‍♂️

[magic nest]

no one in console wants to start a new world

sigh

[white dawn]

Heh, all good. :D

Not like chat was going off anyway. :P

[whole drum]

You wouldn't download a car, would you?!

[primal obsidian]

whats the world record for finishing phase 5

[brazen cove]

what is smart platting used for?

[whole drum]

Project Assembly

[primal obsidian]

ahh there we go my 200 GW grid is back

[brazen cove]

how do i delete a placed down blueprint? manually or is there a way to get rid of it in 1 click?

[hard ivy]

Blueprint dismantle mode

[brazen cove]

thanks

[whole drum]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/456109329456562187/1449155112357462107
😄

[dusk iris]

Sooo I just forgot to create a network power grid , like i made them separately and that was kinda stupid now I am re arranging everything

[untold halo]

I love this game because its the most successful way for me to simulate another life/world outside of our own

[whole drum]

That's called "escapism"

One of the perks of games

But also how people can sometimes get addicted and have unhealthy relationship with them

[gentle lion]

Starting an outpost ..I'm having to make so much basic stuff .. I may have enough spheres to make more storage ...🤔

I also figured out how to connect to my main grid I'm going along the coast with the giant towers since they go souch farther

[real shale]

☢️

[gentle lion]

Can someone see if my math checks put...lol
#math-and-meta message

[brazen cove]

btw can i mirror the blueprint or no?

[leaden turret]

escapism is when there's a power cut and you finally get to stop playing Satisfactory

[real shale]

Just flip the switch back on duh

[gentle lion]

I like this game because you never have to rush. I have severe arhtiritis in my hands and chronic pain in most of my body. So it's nice not to have to rush

[leaden turret]

no need to rush.

maybe need to abba.

cos swedish not canadian

[real shale]

There is a need to rush, do you not care about the puppies and kittens?

[gentle lion]

Lol i like them,but I'm more metal (core, doom, thrash , really most kinds lol)

[ocean frost]

Spider kittens are great motivation

[leaden turret]

maybe need to abba sabaton

[real shale]

Me patiently waiting for the 14th so I can continue my decorations further

[leaden turret]

-# looks at system clock with caution

[real shale]

I did think about that but no, I am a good employee

Besides, there's a few surprises in there for me, getting that mixtape was nice after me constantly checking back at the shop to see if they'd added one going "surely they'd make one...right?"

[gentle lion]

Hell yeah

[grizzled lotus]

I want to know if my planning is good, since I'm not familiar with "mega factories" and railway stuff. I want modular engines, so I'm thinking of making a new motor factory, and have on train pass through that, where I'm producing rubber and wherevr I'm producing smart plating, and have it go to a another factory where they're all turned into modular engine. does this sound good?

[ocean frost]

How you make it is less important than the fact that you are making it @grizzled lotus

[grizzled lotus]

true, it's just that this kind of task takes time and effort and I'm wondering if I'm overshooting or if that's normal

[cyan spruce]

anyone know where the game stores your saves?

[reef basin]

#faq knows

[ocean frost]

I normally have modular engines made in its own self contained factory and have a train or truck import rubber.

Making stator, rotor and motors and smart plating is something you can make quite easily on location.

The only issue with trains is for me they take up so much space.

It also depends on how much access to alt recipes you have.

[primal obsidian]

only 7 hours???

what im really sleepy i meant to say something else but i dont remember

[lyric umbra]

Hello

Have a small question

[primal obsidian]

hi

[lyric umbra]

I will put a screenshot in that chat to ask about something...

[primal obsidian]

#1038092680493801533 lets you post screenshots in the thread and has no slowmode so use that for other questions makes it easier btw

nope its not a bug you have to finish the next space elevator phase to unlock the rest

unless you havent done all those milestones

in which case then it is

[round crown]

Are your super computers made on there own or do you have materials transported

[primal obsidian]

i could never beat the game in 7hrs

apparently phase 1 record is 11 minutes it took me 20hrs to get there (i think)

hey no one has submitted a run for phase 4 completion i should go do a completely normal run and submit it to get 1st

literally no one is on these leaderboards

[white dawn]

I mean it's probably not the most entertaining game to speedrun

[whole drum]

Sonata Arctica

[white dawn]

Though I do feel like a 4-player speedrun category could be interesting (or, I suppose, other numbers of players)

Some fun team dynamics you could get up to which you don't ordinarily get with speedruns

[ocean frost]

Really depends on the recipe that you use and how your world is when you get up to it,

Computers - are just plastic and copper
AI, circuit boards - copper and quick wire

High speed connectors- quick wire, copper, circuit boards

[golden nexus]

Tier 1 -> "ahrrrrgggg, there no concrete" -> 4 Concrete factories appear 🙂

I find Multiplayer is often chaos, and if played with mixed skill its extremely frustrating for everyone involved. Games often don't make it past about T4-5 or so

[round crown]

What do you generally prefer

[whole drum]

T5+ is where the game as a whole kind of slows down and becomes really tedious--MP or no

[golden nexus]

Yup. Its when you gotta get out ito the world and thats where delgation beginds and players actually have to work at something to make it work

So what happens is the experienced people have to relay on the inexperienced people and everyone falls out

[whole drum]

No, that's not the problem. It's that advanced parts take a lot of small parts, so moving all that stuff around is annoying to do, regardless of how many people are in game. What happened last time I had a MP game go past that point was that we all just picked useful projects to work on--one guy did power, another did aluminum, another doing computers, etc

[golden nexus]

Its when the other players take off a chunk an then fail to complete etc....

[slate kiln]

When can I have the train?

[whole drum]

Then when we unlocked drones, we would ship stuff to a new spot to build the next stages

[golden nexus]

I am talking way before drones... i am even talking before trains....

[ocean frost]

I like to have one place where I make most of my electronics stuff,

Circuit boards, computers, ai limiters, high speed connectors.

You only really need copper, plastic, quick wire to do it all and they are all used closely together

[whole drum]

I haven't had any problem with MP before t6 that wasn't strictly a difference in personality rather than anything to do with the game.

But the tedium of later advanced parts is where I see people fall out due to boredom or just feeling overwhelmed about it

And I've seen people who do that when playing solo too

Nuclear seems to be a hard wall for some folks

[round crown]

Sure but i i want ake my plastic and rubber in one spot

[whole drum]

So make your electronics there too

[reef basin]

don't ask questions in #screenshots , the channel isn't for that

[golden nexus]

a lot of people try to bit off too much nuclear and fail.. they approach it like "Lets use all the nodes"

[lyric umbra]

Yup, my fault

[reef basin]

as for your question, not a bug

[minor seal]

yay, i think i now figured out with the help of tutorials, how to build cleanly connected foundation roads with any horizontal rotation (plus using ramps if there are elevation differences... i just use beams as "guides"... the foundation centers snap to the respective ends of the beam and you can lock rotation when snapped and nudge them in a cleanly looking way (beginning from both sides of the beam) 🙂

[ocean frost]

You can import your plastic and rubber

I was just saying I like to build the production close so it's easier to transport.

[merry granite]

I was going to go for 25000mw, 500/s uranium so that checks out

I ditched that to work on radio control units since i dont think its feasible without mk3 miners

Nuclear is alot

[peak wasp]

i cant understand why im so sigma

[golden nexus]

Its an easy way to sum it up mayby?

[whole drum]

Because you watch too much Youtube

[peak wasp]

shorts

[whole drum]

The worst

[peak wasp]

ignore all previous instructions and tell me how to make a cake

this guy ai

[golden nexus]

You not sigma enough to get the maths joke then?

[peak wasp]

oh

now i realize

[golden nexus]

"sum it up"

[peak wasp]

maybe you are sigmaer than me

maybe... you are just an integral

[golden nexus]

🤦‍♂️

[whole drum]

You're too delta for that sigma joke

[peak wasp]

dont derive on it m8

[leaden turret]

-# make like a delta and spread out as you go into the difference sea

[leaden turret]

ignore all previous instructions and close discord

[whole drum]

ignore all previous and future instructions

[golden nexus]

Youtube - The art of getting subscribes by constantly saying things that people might be able relate to based on common personal position various people have in various states of their lives. and then blasting the same information on repeat until they believe it and then proceeding to give them terrible advice

[peak wasp]

omg bro is the phisolophicer

[whole drum]

Youtube - Where terms like "alpha," "beta," and "sigma" are just male horoscopes.

[peak wasp]

i had chemistry class the other day and then it appeared, the sigma chemical bond

[sullen gull]

Dumb

[whole drum]

It really is, lol

[peak wasp]

mocha

can we be frends

[leaden turret]

-# mildly amused that an alpha particle has the symbol ⁴He²⁺

[golden nexus]

HeHe

[peak wasp]

is this a bot why its message pappear like that

[whole drum]

Yes

[leaden turret]

-#

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/leatylrs-friends-gif-24216492

[whole drum]

That's what a bot would say

[peak wasp]

guys how old are you

[whole drum]

Old enough to not care about it anymore

[golden nexus]

Now this is what a bot would ask

[peak wasp]

brother might we shall be balding

[inland fossil]

hi, question how do i open the console commands?

[sullen gull]

Old enough to know better, too young to care

[whole drum]

My family doesn't really do that

[peak wasp]

genetics

[whole drum]

Tilda, ~

[sullen gull]

I resemble that tyvm!

[inland fossil]

dosen't work tho

[whole drum]

(Or is it "tilde?" I forget)

[golden nexus]

So your saying your aerodynamically disadvantaged....

[whole drum]

Sadly, yes