satisfactory

[bitter lodge]

that comment was for Cobalt >.>

[round crown]

Well how was i supposed to know that

[pine patrol]

there is 108 alt recipes iirc

[round crown]

What were you gonna say anyway 🤔

[bitter lodge]

^

This.

Basically instead of making a factory for phase 4 parts right off the rip. I am taking the steps prior to that. A modular factory would technically do the same. But my factories are gonna be spaced out and independent.

[dense violet]

the truth hurts

[round crown]

Oh, BTW I like your pfp,where's it from anyway

[round crown]

It does indeed

[bitter lodge]

only cause trains were dumb

[dense violet]

you think that comment also didn't apply to you 😛

[bitter lodge]

Its a selfie. its from pinterest

[round crown]

Well its pretty

[round crown]

Who says it does

[bitter lodge]

I do.

[dense violet]

and me

[bitter lodge]

You are trying to make an end game factory without the means of even making it first.

[dense violet]

and your bauxite factory keeps changing how much it's going to produce

[round crown]

I have all the resources I currently want to make

[dense violet]

hence

Pot and Kettle

[round crown]

Your jokes are super creative

[bitter lodge]

....This isn't about me.

PLUS. Its better I figure out how much now, rather than later.

[round crown]

Yes it is

[bitter lodge]

Do you have turbo motors automated?

[zealous urchin]

u have Nier Automata in "Games I like" so ill let commenting on other ppls creativity pass this time

[bitter lodge]

Cause I am working on the means to automate placing mk3 miners. Cause once I get those. the resource input for my factories is gonna jump a lot. Which means more redoing.

[bitter lodge]

Nier automata is the best fucking game ever made. Nothing comes close.

[round crown]

I don't even have turbo motors.....BUTTTTTTT i don't currently want to make turbo motors cuz I don't knlw what I need them

[bitter lodge]

mk3 miners :)

more resources from nodes :)

[round crown]

I love you.

[dense violet]

it's not a joke, its a proverb 😛

[round crown]

Hey they deserve the compliment

[zealous urchin]

not wrong, however Witcher 3 is close

[finite anchor]

i still dont understand the last like 40% of that

[round crown]

Should I take my compliment back

[bitter lodge]

Then re-read the comment?

its pretty straight forward.

[round crown]

Witcher 3
Rdr2
Cyperpunk
Nier
Monster hunter.

And many more i couldn't fit on the Damm games I like

[zealous urchin]

this is hostage situation D;

[zealous urchin]

Sure, why not

[pine patrol]

idk why but i thought your pfp was that one picture of tony stark with the caption “jarvis jork it a little”

[zealous urchin]

however Nier Automata is top regarding plot and worldbuilding alongside all of Nier series

[round crown]

Theres ALOT.of masterpieces

[bitter lodge]

That combat though

[round crown]

🤔 I DO think thats debatable

[bitter lodge]

the story. The lore. The visuals. the music. Just everything.

[round crown]

But you aren't entirely wrong

[bitter lodge]

[dense violet]

if you like xD

[round crown]

Its neir so

[tacit trellis]

Nier is pog

[bitter lodge]

time to uninstall satisfactory and 100% nier for the 4-5th time.

[tacit trellis]

But I do remeber getting bored with the side quests and bum rushing the msq

[zealous urchin]

with what for example?

[round crown]

Dmc combat is better. Nier actually feels like a dmc light. The combat wants to play like dmc but doesn't HAVE the dmc systems. At least automata does

[bitter lodge]

dmc is what?

[round crown]

Devil may cry

[bitter lodge]

Never played that.

[zealous urchin]

we get it, Dante is pretty cool, but not THAT cool

[dense violet]

Both DMC and Niers is balls - nothing beats Bastion. 😛

[round crown]

Im talking abt the combat not the game itself

Nier as a game>
Nier combat<

[round crown]

If you like automatas combat you'll love dmcs. Its basically a way mor intuitive version of niers. Thats why I say niers combat feels like a dmc light. It wants to have dmc combos without having the tools to do so.

Also and this ks NO insult to nier. You really need to experience more games. I don't think nier is the best game ive played world building wise. But I play and ungodly ammount of games

[bitter lodge]

I am bias.

2b is waifu. I love women

[round crown]

Anyway I have no idea how to plan these factorys....without knowing what resources should be made in each. But idk how I wamt to fiqure that out

[zealous urchin]

the complete unabridged timeline of Nier has 6hrs and 25 minutes
if u can find more volume on some series plot ill wait

[round crown]

A2>

I would send a gif if I could

But I don't think they work here

But man I love A2

[bitter lodge]

FIGHTING WORDS.

[bitter lodge]

satisfactory tools?

[tacit trellis]

Nier combat felt like kinda generic hack and slash ngl

[round crown]

Kingdom hearts
Final fantasy
Witcher has just as much
The entire dark souls series
Skyrim and elder scrolls
God of war
Do I need to continue?

[tacit trellis]

But I don't fully remeber what difficulty I played it on probs just normal

[bitter lodge]

FFXIV....

[tacit trellis]

Delete ARR

[round crown]

You have.....spectacular taste

[bitter lodge]

5k hours in that game...

[round crown]

And you also have no life

[viscid rune]

We all have 5k+ h on satisfactory though, yeah?

[tacit trellis]

💀 I don't think I'd really play FFXIV anyway but I'd rather just get tortured than do ARR

Just water board me instead that'd be more pleasant

[bitter lodge]

I been playing for a couple of years....

[fallen pivot]

Soon (TM)

[viscid rune]

The factory is pleased.

[silk ocean]

No meeting with FICSIT today xD

[zealous urchin]

hmm if i had PC running Sati all the time for like half a year

[viscid rune]

That sounds like a lot of wasted kWh

[zealous urchin]

but thats what 5k hours is, 208 days

[viscid rune]

Server?

[zealous urchin]

i was just thinking how to get there asap

[viscid rune]

Oh right, I misread time for idle time.

[real shale]

how long have the nuke nobelisks had an actual mushroom cloud for? I swear i remember the cloud being more underwhelming

[bitter lodge]

1.0 :)

[real shale]

damn its been a while since i used one

i got one from ficsmas and decided to use it for kicks and then was not expecting that cloud lmao

[zealous urchin]

"Yeah bro im pro at Sati, i have 5k hours"
(half a year time equivalent of laptop plugged into power and forgotten in the corner of a wardrobe with Sati menu)

[viscid rune]

I thought I had gas nobelisks equipped last time I used it... and I was treated to a swift lesson on "measure twice, cut once" but for ammo type.

[real shale]

i remember my first encounter with radioactive material

[zealous urchin]

one way base trip

[real shale]

i earned a darwin award, "surely it doesnt cause radiation when im holding it right?"

nope, they definitely thought about that, i died very quickly lol

[viscid rune]

It's always fun trying to reclaim your inv once that happens too

[zealous urchin]

hmmm

"yea bro that cannon will take u back to base, its 18 entrances u will be good"
<gets catapulted diagonaly beyond west coast straight beyond world border with the speed of sound and dies from air pressure>
thats why i have it on keep everything

[real shale]

I gotta say, today's advent calender reward was exactly what I had in mind

It's what I was missing this entire time

[dense violet]

ok come up with a final output for a factory you want to make

[glass pagoda]

son im crine why is tripple t in satisfactory

[round crown]

Got it

[glass pagoda]

my checkpoint had feet as most used emoji

[grave burrow]

So far Ive managed to reach over 16 million items a minute (Ficsmas related) and the save is 425mb and has completely maxed out my 128gb of ram. Even the 1TB of my M.2 ram overflow has been maxed out. That bug compiles SOOOO much and quickly once you top 30 million UObjects. Bens working on it though

[glass pagoda]

ADA must want to kill you

[grave burrow]

Very much, but she likes the production rate XD

[dense violet]

ok what is your goal ?

[grave burrow]

25 million a minute

[round crown]

Well to make enough of every resource I can currently make to not worry about it

[dense violet]

ok you need numbers 😛

I can't plug in 'enough of X material' into the planner

[round crown]

Well I'd have to fiqure out how much that is. Thats not easy.
Lets just say I want to be making enough to always have the depot maxed

[dense violet]

just decide on an output - future proofing will drive you insane

and waste your time

this is why you make independent factories in places and learn

[gentle lion]

I dumped a lot of stuff into sink today made like 20 tickets lol

I gotta get better about overflow

[bitter lodge]

Question is... 1000 packaged rocket fuel...Reasonable? or is that way to much?

[round crown]

I want to make 400 fuel gens

Im not very reasonable

[dense violet]

depends what you want to do - I'd move to plutonium rods for drone fuel personally

[bitter lodge]

idek what I want that much for honestly

and like, I just said fuck it 1000

[dense violet]

then don't make it yet

[round crown]

Talking to me abt planning and here you are....

[bitter lodge]

I already planned out the 1k

I just don't know what the fuck I want/need it for is the difference

[round crown]

But not what for

[bitter lodge]

ya but when I need some rocket fuel....its right there.

[dense violet]

You never need rocket fuel for anything though

[bitter lodge]

according to my world, and lizard doggos. I do.

[dense violet]

unless you're making ionized fuel - and then you should ahve a plan for it

[round crown]

Why's that

[dense violet]

I mean if you jsut want to make random factories go for it 🙂

but I'd wait until you unlock everything

[bitter lodge]

you gotta ask the council of lizard doggos honestly.

[bitter lodge]

sometimes you just want to automate something to have it

[round crown]

You have a council of lizard doggos?

[bitter lodge]

I do.

[round crown]

Can I see

[bitter lodge]

Nope.

cause I am on valorant and not touching satisfactory tonight

[whole drum]

Have you made fancy robes for them yet?

[bitter lodge]

HOW?

[dense violet]

you have a council of doggos
at this time of year
in this part of the country
located entirely in your save?

[bitter lodge]

yes.

[dense violet]

may I see it?

[round crown]

What country are we talking abt. Theres like alot

[bitter lodge]

cause I am on valorant and not touching satisfactory tonight

[round crown]

I JUST ASKED that

[bitter lodge]

same answer.

[round crown]

You play valo?

[dense violet]

that was the joke. A classic simpson's meme

[round crown]

I can't tell if ur old or middle aged

[bitter lodge]

No. I am playing fucking victim tonight it seems.

[dense violet]

lovers of simpsons are eternal

[bitter lodge]

yesterday I was dropping 30+ a match. Tonight I can't hit a shot unless my barrel is down their throat.

[dense violet]

classic media

[round crown]

Im not used to people using grammer correctly so this comment seems angry to me

[bitter lodge]

it is.

[round crown]

Thats why we don't play valo

[dense violet]

or spelling it seems 😛

[whole drum]

Or anything by Rito

[round crown]

Don't direct it at me im sorry 🙁

[round crown]

You learn to decipher my meaning as you get to know me

[bitter lodge]

it wasn't.

[round crown]

I know I know. I've never seen someone play valo amd have a good time tho

Please find a better game

@dense violet do you play anything other then factory games good sir

[dense violet]

honestly basically everything else. Satisfactory is my only current factory game and I haven't touched it in a while

[twin helm]

Call me crazy but techtonica slaps

[round crown]

Survival games

???

[dense violet]

ehh.. bits of everything
rpg, 4x, colony sims, HD2

not a fan of most fps though.

[zealous urchin]

HD2 fell off

[dense violet]

still solid. New molten missions are great. Plus minigun and Fire dog

[zealous urchin]

bro this game was dumpster fire like 2 months ago

[dense violet]

I mean it's fine if you got bored of it, but it's mostly just been polished more and more. I wish they'd kept the dif 10 missions harder though

having 15 gun ships at once was fun

[zealous urchin]

and u assume that bcs i said it fell off ?

[round crown]

Valheim? Terraria? Mknster Hunter?

[dense violet]

no, in the past yes, not interested

[dense violet]

because you gave a subjective opinion, one that many don't share

so yes, because it bored you

[round crown]

What abt grounded? Or 7 days to die

[dense violet]

never heard of it, ehhhh that one seemed like it needed more coodination from more friends that was convenient

[round crown]

Well,im always down to play it if you have it and are ever free

Im down to play anything with anyone tbh

[dense violet]

I do not have it xD but I'll keep that in mind 🙂

[zealous urchin]

yea man, subjective opinion, after every youtuber announced quitting and game itself hitting record low player count

[round crown]

If its a multiplayer game odds are i'll play it

[dense violet]

yes- those are subjective opinions, I'm glad you're learning to recognize them

[round crown]

@dense violet what abt warframe, or deep rock galactic

[dense violet]

never got into it , played it with some buds for a while but the group shifted away

[zealous urchin]

that was rude

[dense violet]

you literally just pointed out subjective opinions.

I don't know what you're looking for here

If I were to go on youtube and explain why Blue is the best colour in existence, that would be a subjective opinion

even if I went on and on about how it was just fact

[round crown]

2 other games i'll play ESP deep rock

[dense violet]

deep rock was fun, but I found the lack of contrast in environment really annoying. I know it doesn't bother others as much

[north summit]

is there any specific reason to run perfect speed conveyors in manifolds or can i just shove tier 5-6 conveyors everywhere

like i normally do

[round crown]

Aye if you go back hit me up

[ashen belfry]

Performance

Placing many conveyers of the same tier leads to performance issues when placing new of the same type

You could argue shorter booting times of said factory. But only matters at startup or when changing conveyer inputs

[whole drum]

Basing your opinions off of drama farm videos is silly

Especially with a game whose player base flip-flops so hard/often

[zealous urchin]

is this personal or do you want to quickly assume someone else on the internet?

[north summit]

ah

[whole drum]

Not sure what you mean

[dense violet]

almost all of the internet eco system are chuds looking for clicks and drama/hyperbole/bullshit is the way to get clicks. Either from rage or agreement

if you could somehow decouble engagement from profit the world would be a much better place

[whole drum]

"A bunch of content creators said they quit" means nothing to whether a game is good/bad or dying/thriving. It's just clickbait.

[dense violet]

is it possible some have meaninful points? sure. But take it with a heart attack's worth of salt

[whole drum]

The best case scendario--and also the rarest one--is that it's just that person's genuine opinion.

[glossy flare]

how would i split a constructor to 10 and 5 without a smart spliter

[chilly tide]

2 out of spl

[dense violet]

1 splitter

[whole drum]

If you have 15 on the belt, feed the machine that needs 10 first

[dense violet]

the belts will self balance

[glossy flare]

ok thank you

[dense violet]

as long as 1 belt doesn't go into a sink then manifolds jsut self balance 🙂

[bitter lodge]

you can also do.
15 goes in. 5 comes out 3 ways.
merge 2 lines :)

[south canyon]

why do manifolds have mergers and splitters?

or am I reading wrong

[whole drum]

Splitters to feed the machines, mergers to put all the output on one belt.
(Usually)

[south canyon]

yeah I def misread

[round crown]

What happened to sleeping in 15 mins

[silk ocean]

Hogwarts Legacy is free on the Epic store

[lament niche]

fell off? It's hit a new record for most concurrent players... whatcha on about willis

[lament niche]

And I'm still not touching it because of the author's stance on trans people

[silk ocean]

Fair, I was just mentioning in case anyone interested

[zealous urchin]

free is a fair price

[round crown]

Whats HD2

[dense violet]

helldivers 2

[zealous urchin]

im gonna be haunted for this 0_o

[dense violet]

why? it's perfectly fine to not like a game or get bored with it
I hate factorio for example.

[whole drum]

Ofc it's fine to, but I'm curious... why?
Is it the bugs?

[silk ocean]

You can make them passive

[zealous urchin]

probably lack of orbital napalm vs the bugs

[dense violet]

huh? there's orbital napalm in the game.. It's my go to

a little too good imo

[silk ocean]

There's ground based fire cannons, which is basically the same thing

[zealous urchin]

i meant in factorio

[dense violet]

ah fair. Nah just don't find factorio apealing

[dusk crown]

Only if the game has a shop for skins, inventory storage, etc. Devs have to make money, or we will have no games.

[dense violet]

very very different game to satisfactory

[dusk crown]

If anyone else got bored making doodads for no reason, give LotRO a try for the holiday. It's a classic!

[dense violet]

lord of the rings... oreo?
orion?

[zealous urchin]

factorio is pure math and space optimization while sati is way more on design and architecture

[dense violet]

lord of the ring onions?

[dense violet]

even the optimization is completely different

infinite resources plus 100+ alt recipes to completely change logistici and production choices

[whole drum]

A lot in common, but yes. Very different. Notables:

• procedural vs static world map
• finite vs infinite resource nodes
• aggressive vs defensive creatures
• tower defense vs open exploration
• 2D vs 3D (I love my verticality)

[zealous urchin]

fair, its just a saying were i am from

[dense violet]

imo the only thing they have in common is the automation aspect

and even then you can't permanently automate things in factorio

[silk ocean]

There is a smol amount of verticality in Factorio - tunnel belts and now train bridges

[dusk crown]

Aye. From a marketing standpoint; gamers pay hundreds to thousands for their gaming machines, so they have the money to pay a pittance for a game to play.

[silk ocean]

You can install a small mod called Infinite Resources

[whole drum]

There are tools that make it easy to move shop eventually

[dense violet]

I mean sure but yo ucan't start comparing modded games

there's mods for satisfactory to limit nodes

I'm sure a mod can be made to fart dragons too - not going to include that in comparisons

[silk ocean]

Sure, just saying that you can infinitely automate very easily if you wish

[dense violet]

still manual and have to set up new mining stations though I'm sure?

[dusk crown]

I think the people that make mods for the games should get paid, the only way they have found to do so is to have a private server, and charge a sub for premium perks like character transfers between seasons, safe homes, etc. They do way more work then they ever get paid for.

[dense violet]

look, sure? but there's also the joy of community and creation

not everything has to be monetized, that's how you get a capitalist hellscape

[whole drum]

It's a combination of automated construction bots and blueprints

[whole drum]

Mods were mostly ever meant to be a passion project. That said, if a mod author wants to charge, I don't mind. When a game company tries to monetize mod authors (Bethesda), I'm not cool with that.

[dense violet]

for many reasons, fuck bethesda.

[zealous urchin]

sure, but gaming platform is used for way more and is relative for fulfiling a certain need longer than just a game

game u may finish in a week or a month
pc stays woth u for years and u do smth else on it to
scaling those expenses to per year makes more sense rather than looking at values from single transaction imo

[dense violet]

My pcs also tend to last significantly longer than a console generations. And the games tend to be cheaper

[zealous urchin]

but have u even climbed the mountain presented to you by legendary "he cant keep getting away with it" lord of resellling the same product?

[whole drum]

My PCs usually last through 2 console gens

[dusk crown]

Interesting, most of the games, I play, I have been playing for years.
You might be playing the wrong kind of games if you are done with it in a week or a month.

[whole drum]

Yes, we have all climbed the not-seven-thousand-steps and talked to dargon boi

[dense violet]

don't get me started. I'm not buying another bethesda game until they slash it to half price and it goes on 75% sale

Skyrim was a joke that survived on the back of a thousand modders

[round crown]

Ohhhhhhh

[zealous urchin]

i was just saying that for a comparison within an argument

[whole drum]

Then they try to cuck those modders with their Club nonsense

[round crown]

Helldivers 2 os still a great game

[glossy flare]

my math is not mathing bro

[whole drum]

And break the mods with unnecessary, unasked for, and stupid "updates"

[dense violet]

I play hd2 less lately, enjoy it more with friends. But it's still nice expody

[dense violet]

what's wrong?

[glossy flare]

so making 300 screws per min to make 12 rotors/min right

[dense violet]

sounds about right

[whole drum]

I got bored of HD2 tbh. Their idea of "difficulty" is just making cheesy enemy types. I don't find that fun.

[glossy flare]

so i have 6 constructors making 15 rods each right

[dense violet]

when they first introduced gun ships having 20 in the sky was great xD

[glossy flare]

combine 2 constructors for 30 rods/min then split those into 3 constructors for 120 screws/min right

[whole drum]

Easier to consider that one smelter can run 2 rod machines for 120 screws/m

[dusk crown]

Im picky about the games I play though, read reviews and watch twitch streamers stream a game before very buying it. That has avoided a lot of mistake purchases like HellDivers - stupid game. hehe

[whole drum]

So you need 5 rod machines

[dense violet]

I guess?

[zealous urchin]

mini patches for no reason that break everything mod related is just devilish
not to mention breaking entire modlist while having "auto update " enabled and setting u up for another week of figuring out why this doesnt work anymore

[dense violet]

gonna ping you in #math-and-meta

[cunning glade]

Hey guys what's the oil recipe thing for tier 5 or whatever with refineries

The loop for power preferably

Gonna make rubber and plastic with it too but power first

[strong fiber]

yo guys

i finished my Heavy modular frame factory it took me 3 hours

Imma post it in screenshots

[round crown]

I take everyones opinion with a grain of salt

So many good games I like that reviews hated

[ashen belfry]

Depends which games you are playing. I have some games with 1000+h. 1 reaching 3k. But those are MP games.
There are certain games you can't play for years. Story games for example. You can get every achievement, which might take 80h or 200h.
But then it's it. You explored everything and then get easily bored.

[whole drum]

I've done this with a few games. Fallout 3 & NV, Oblivion, Skyrim, Mass Effect trilogy (Andro doesn't count), Armored Core 3, 4, 4Answer, Diablo 2 (until D2R came out, anyway), etc

Not really "done in a week" sorta deals, but very hard to go back after doing everything

[dense violet]

do you mean

oil > HOR > diluted fuel?

you can do that lop in tier 3 with refineries too

[ashen belfry]

My PC doesn't last for a generation.
Problem usually is the game choice and my will to go higher, bigger, faster etc.
Farthest Frontier for example.
Back when it went into EA, I had a 2700X.
Was running okay-ish. Had a pop limit of 1000. I reached that quite fast, but FPS weren't that smooth anymore. Laggs, freezes, less than. 10fps.
Later on they unlocked the population and I knew I had to upgrade.
Now I am at almost 3k population, can run the game on 5x and it's still enjoyable-ish regarding fps.
Not butter smooth, but smooth enough for a simulation game.

[silk ocean]

That type of game often ends up becoming CPU-bound

I enjoyed Farthest Frontier

[whole drum]

The first Cities: Skylines would eventually start to tax my old rig, but doesn't touch this one

But that was on a GTX 1060 and a Ryzen 1700x

[silk ocean]

CS1 scales pretty well yea

[dense violet]

ah see I get fairly high grade gear but not tops, to save money. lasts at least 7 years

[cursive crane]

Massive miss on helldivers. Games so fun

[whole drum]

For awhile

[subtle escarp]

Hello.
To confirm it is as I think. If I reinstall the OS, all the savegames are stored on steam cloud but not the blueprints, am I correct with that? Thanks!

[dense violet]

sure but I 1000000% wouldn't trust teh steam saves. Back up everything

[subtle escarp]

okay 😂 thank you!!

[dense violet]

same with every major game update, back up everything

[sharp carbon]

I dont know if this is the right chanel, but would anyone who has a bit of expierience with the train signals mind helping me, since I dont think the signals are doing what they are suposed to do.

[whole drum]

There are many threads in #1038092680493801533 on this, and you can make your own if you don't find what you're looking for. You can post images/videos in those threads, but you can't here.

[sharp carbon]

okay thanks

[cunning glade]

Okay so I just need the alts I see

[dense violet]

yup 🙂

[lime kraken]

I read the color gun has been removed, how can I color my pipelines an poles now?

[mortal ginkgo]

Color Tool is free.

Color gun is not removed, the material needed is.

[lime kraken]

Ah ok

[dense violet]

X for customizer iirc

[sterile blade]

"Color gun is Gone" is a certified meme though

[mortal ginkgo]

wait is it? how come? D:

[cunning glade]

Sweet cuz that was my mistake before

Using like 2100 oil for only like 31gw

[sterile blade]

Don't you remember the video where they announced that? 😆

[mortal ginkgo]

dilluted fuel my beloved with heavy oil.

it is a big "ok now I know why nobody does nuclear power" revelation.

[mortal ginkgo]

I only arrived around 1.0 released. Just informing others about what changed xP

[cunning glade]

Meh even with oil power I wanna do nuclear

If not for the power for the challenge of it

On my first playthrough not done I have a 380gw rocketfuel plant

[sterile blade]

Oh, my apologies xD
When they announced the Customizer, "ColorGun is gone" was almost a slogan

[mortal ginkgo]

You are a bro.

We are now automatically became bros by your statement.

Me too. I will do like 2400/min rocket fuel for kick starting nuclear and fueling drones but thats all I will do.

I also don't like the fuel gens look. They look meh. They look silly. They look weird. They look odd. I don't need this in my life. I already have mirrors for that, yes.

[mortal ginkgo]

All I hope is "we fixed fluids 1.2" is a not a joke.

I mean, I managed to get 100% flow in mk2 pipes but I am sure the code is still wack.

[cunning glade]

I think fluids are fine tbh

[mortal ginkgo]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW BUDDY

[sterile blade]

I just hope it won't be something big ekogh that will make me regret not waiting for it before planning put my new factory...

[dense violet]

yeah, just gotta know the basics and you're good

[cunning glade]

I honestly don't really see the big issues

I often max out my pipes at 600 cuz it divides nicely

When in doubt use extra pumps🤷

[mortal ginkgo]

I fixed my issues by not using vertical junctions at all. Also using Pumps for work pressure and stop sloshing worked nicely.

I am 100% happy but God in heavens know the system really needs some work on especially helping about output indicators, how it is flowing etc.

[sterile blade]

I almost think that... But I also really, really dislike a system allowing for the same savefile to evolve differently overtime depending on who loads it (ie: they should be 100% predictable all the time, even in complex scenarios)

[mortal ginkgo]

One guy asked "why do we need fluid trucks" and they teased that there are some game related reasons for it to exist.

[dense violet]

sounds like you're making messy layouts

[cunning glade]

I like the current system I think once u learn it ur fine

[mortal ginkgo]

a friend of mine from another discord stated that there is a rounding error that makes fluids disappear in a very long time.

[cunning glade]

And like u said pumps too deal with sloshing is super helpful

[mortal ginkgo]

Learning should still be easier imho. We can learn how belts work because we can see the items moving on and splitter/merger stuff help us design our own solutions.

Pipes are just.. pipes.

Game gives no explanation on sloshing, pumps providing extra work pressure (and not just headlift), my mom, valves (which don't really work properly as they claim) etc etc.

[cunning glade]

Uhhh

[sterile blade]

You can be fine, sure... So long as you play within the "safe costrains" that avoid all the worse issues 😅
Imo, if a system can evolve differently from the exact same starting point, that's much worse than one that doesn't (ie: predictable Vs "can work with it")

[cunning glade]

I think fluids are common sense

I mean sometimes I feel like what that doesn't make sense but then I figure it out and it does

[cunning glade]

Wym

[sterile blade]

Wym, what do I mean? XD

[cunning glade]

What are safe constraints

[cunning glade]

I mean yeah but like realistically they would slosh if not fully no?

[mortal ginkgo]

This game's fluid mechanics are not common sense.

Sloshing happens as a literal constant and not stabilize itself in time.
Vertical Pipes are acting weird.
Gravity and headlift works in odd ways (you only need one pipe going upwards as a water and the entire fluid system connected to that single pipe will have same headlift)

etc etc.

[sterile blade]

Pipes are one of the best examples of how the tutorial kind of fails to be properly useful after Tier0 Imo 😅
First you're hand-held, then you're given pipes and told "fluid go down, gravity is a thing, K done"

[whole drum]

Don't worry, guys. They are fixing them in 1.2.

[wet cloak]

It’s funny to me how much the community complains about fluids and here I am too new to understand what’s wrong with them

[mortal ginkgo]

And conveyor belts should drop items on the ground if there is nothing to stop it at the end no?

I mean, do you see how the realistic expectation of yours regarding the pipes does not connect with anything else this game does?

What is the explanation of floating foundations you see in 99% of screenshots in this game then?

Game should either go full (or most) realistic or don't expect us to think "oh pipes have fluids so it MUST be realistic!".

Kek.

[cunning glade]

Well cuz ur constantly pumping water until it's full? And I mean yeah the water tower bug or whatever doesn't make sense but I don't use it

[torn furnace]

fluid makes 0 sens in Satisfactory its a headache for nothing.
its so far from how fluid behave or how some one can think fluid behae it make Aluminum and later stages horrible to handle.

[mortal ginkgo]

#satisfactory message

[cunning glade]

Im just saying the pipes make sense too me my bad

[formal minnow]

should i dedicate a whole 120/min crude oil to power production

[sterile blade]

Satisfactory pipes slosh at rest though
Ie: put fluid inside a U shaped pipe, disconnect in/output, fluid keeps sloshing and reaching different heights in pipework 🤦‍♂️

[wet cloak]

I don’t think people play this game for the realism

[mortal ginkgo]

its ok, we agree to disagree.

[formal minnow]

(i just got fuel generators)

[wet cloak]

You should refine plastic and rubber for a bit

[cunning glade]

Well I've never tried this so 🤷

[mortal ginkgo]

more, just to get rid of coal power reliance. You can get good alt recipes to make it better later on. Just kickstart nice power.

[formal minnow]

ive already set up 30/min of both

[wet cloak]

Then go for fuel ye

Eventually you should get turbofuel also

[dense violet]

let me guess, you're trying to feed waste fluid back into fresh?

[mortal ginkgo]

This game's weakest point is that ADA is stupidly bad at her job. That's all there is to it.

[dense violet]

cause yeah that's a headache that's totally avoidable

[dense violet]

keep waste and fresh seperated next time

[wet cloak]

don’t make fun of my girlfriend

[mortal ginkgo]

ADA could give away stupid snarkily comments when I fail, but should she really just not give tutorials about how trains etc work?

I mean cmon. It is fun and jokes until 95% of the reddit is all about train signals and pipes not working as much as my real life dreams.

[cunning glade]

Uh no

[formal minnow]

man thats a lot of resin byproduct i have to deal with

[cunning glade]

Ada is amazing

[wet cloak]

I feel like most game mechanics are relatively simple to figure out when ADA doesn’t explain them

[mortal ginkgo]

plastic and rubbers, go

[formal minnow]

i already have 30/min of both 😭

[wet cloak]

Make fabric

[wet cloak]

You’ll need a LOT more in the endgame

[mortal ginkgo]

BROTHER MORE OMG WHAT ARE THOSE NUMBERS STOP TYPING IN DISCORD AND GET BACK TO WORK LORD HAVE MERCY I ALMOST DIED SEEING 30/MIN LIKE BABO CMON MAN

[formal minnow]

what do you even need fabric for

[cunning glade]

Oh that's no where near enough

[mortal ginkgo]

Filters, for poison

[dense violet]

!wikisearch fabric

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fabric

[wet cloak]

You should at least automate a container. Needed for filters

[formal minnow]

i mean yeah but i have more nodes sitting around i can produce from

[mortal ginkgo]

this is just rubber but white.

[formal minnow]

if i try to prep for world supply rn im gonna overload my storage bay

[cunning glade]

I had 600 and that was an okay amount but I amped it up too 5600

[wet cloak]

Tiers 7-9 require insane amounts of plastic and rubber

[cunning glade]

But I also trained plastic around

[formal minnow]

its not hard to produce anyway

[cunning glade]

One factory for plastic one for rubber

[wet cloak]

For now it’s not. You’ll want a lot more soon enough

[formal minnow]

isnt it more optimal to do half of both? since you can run the recycled recipes

[sterile blade]

Avoiding bottom-feeds, making pipe loops, not using buffers
All things that (imo) can help decreasing sloshing but could be used much more freely if that wasn't as much of an issue in the first place.
I mean, the simple amount of wrong info about pipework itself shows how the inconsistencies are received by the player base, where players almost datamine the game just to try make sure of how exactly things are working

[compact flicker]

The icositetra smelter array bp has been completed :3

[formal minnow]

oh wow i need like 160/min plastic just to make 5/min computers

[wet cloak]

And you’ll need plastic to make the circuit boards for computers also

[mortal ginkgo]

even my mom needs plastic and rubber bro GET BACK TO WORK OMG

[formal minnow]

im counting total

[mortal ginkgo]

I am an Impure Limestone Node and even I provide 30/min.

Cmon.

[formal minnow]

i just have satisfactory tools open to check this stuff

[sterile blade]

... So what?
Are you gonna end your sentence or is it supposed to be complete already?

[wet cloak]

Real

[round crown]

do you make your stuff for computers in one factory or ship it

[wet cloak]

I ended up shipping in rubber from the desert cuz my main stock got emptied so fast with tier 8 💀

[cunning glade]

Idk I got distracted playing the game man

[mortal ginkgo]

You would think sloshing eventually stop sloshing.

But no. Realism in pipes while having foundations in sky floating.

[wet cloak]

Most of the stuff for my computers I made close to the manufacturers

[mortal ginkgo]

These devs are wack.

[formal minnow]

gang i am having storage problems because of overproduction i am not gonna try to produce more than this until i need it

[cunning glade]

In the end idk I just like fluids how they are

[wet cloak]

I think I only shipped in cables via some belts

[round crown]

gotchaaaaaa

[formal minnow]

like this 30/min is solely for building use

[mortal ginkgo]

sink what you are overproducing

[round crown]

time to make an absurd ammount of iron plates

[cunning glade]

Not even enough

[wet cloak]

I had my computer and supercomputer manufactures next to my power plant lol

[mortal ginkgo]

30/min is too low even for building imho

[cunning glade]

That's one long conveyer every minute

[formal minnow]

its overloading my central storage cod im using smart splitters to sort stuff

[wet cloak]

Just having a constructor constantly making and storing plates is good

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, I see the problem here 😛

[wet cloak]

Unless you’re early game and need them for progression

[wet cloak]

The lion does not concern himself with smart splitters

[formal minnow]

ive never had problems with 30/min, my steel beams are still doing 22.5/min and that hasnt given me issues

[wet cloak]

The lion builds 50,000km of separate belts

[round crown]

well i want all iron related stuff to be made in one place

[formal minnow]

how tf do you guys do long distance item transportation

[wet cloak]

Trains, long belts

[formal minnow]

my frames will die i am running 30fps right now

[formal minnow]

and what do you do with the outputs of trains

[wet cloak]

Send it to production

I used trains to ship in large supplies of shit that was inconvenient to make belts for

[wet cloak]

Smart, I ended up using a lot of different iron mines to make all sorts of goodies

[compact flicker]

Ladder floor holes when?

[formal minnow]

is having a single item per station actually a common thing wtf

wait do people just not do central storage anymore

[round crown]

its that or everything is independent. but when i finally automate computers thats gonna be.....alot of computers. thats an absurd ammount of manufactors, assemblers and constructors

[wet cloak]

Some people like it, I don’t

[mortal ginkgo]

Having a base HUB where one makes everything and stores is still cool. I do it.

[wet cloak]

It’s worth it. Having good computer production will make your life so much easier later

[round crown]

yea its just a matter of if its independent or shipped

[zinc ferry]

After some experimenting with the Snow Cannon, kind of wished there were fog machines in this game. It would make some of the builds look really cool, but I can see it being a performance issue since they might have to behave differently then the stuff we get from the machines already.

[formal minnow]

#screenshots message i just have everything out in front of my hub, its mostly because i like it but it also helps with grabbing stuff for tier unlocks

but like, if i werent running smart splitters the conveyor work to do this would be a nightmare

plus id need a station for every item im producing far from the hub

oh hey trains no longer need industrial manufacturing?

[mortal ginkgo]

very cute.

I need more than one dimensional storage for many things though. My concrete, iron plate and quartz stuff got 10+ due to my decoration habits...

#design-and-architecture message

[mortal ginkgo]

at 1.0 trains need less of high tech stuff so it is easier to start up with trains at phase 3. Good move on devs.

[formal minnow]

do people build with this much detail while progressing? it seems like a pretty heavy resource strain on top of the demands from progression

[mortal ginkgo]

for me, yes. because thats the fun of it.

I got a fair good amount of base doing everythin I need. All I need is speed for transfering goods to DDs to keep up with my BPs.

#design-and-architecture message

[wet cloak]

FICSIT isn’t paying you to decorate pioneer

[silk ocean]

Surprised FICSIT even permit Christmas

Impacts productivity

[whole drum]

They don't. This is the minimally culturally insensitive HR version--FICSMAS

[silk ocean]

xD

[mortal ginkgo]

bro blz 🙁

[wet cloak]

FICSIT is so kind for making me build my own Christmas tree

We have puppies and kittens to save, get to it

[silk ocean]

I disabled it on my server.. no savin' here XD

[wet cloak]

HR will be notified

[silk ocean]

xD

[stone adder]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/1448964790210007174 if anyone can help me pls thks

[shy mulch]

no need to cross post, people will see your messages in #1038092680493801533

on this occasion it did actually get you an answer a bit faster, but that's a bad pattern to rely on

[formal minnow]

its just kinda bm

[shy mulch]

yeah

[compact flicker]

Anyone else mich prefer building blueprints over actual factories

[whole drum]

I rarely use them tbh

Should really try to more, but I just build what I need

It kinda doesn't help that they are a pain in the ass to manage/organize

[merry granite]

anyone else hate building rail lines

least fun part of the game for me just makes building factories a drag when you have to build rail lines across the entire map

[latent meadow]

i have reserached manual depot uploader but it not showing up on the side of my inventory

[true mulch]

Railway construction seems like the most blatantly unfinished part of the game, yet the devs claim it's how they intended it to work

[shy mulch]

you need to build one first

[latent meadow]

ahh i though so

it make sense

think it possible to get a deop on day

1

[dense violet]

zoop a leading line of foundations the whole way, blueprint towers holding rails, connect them. It's very fast

[dense violet]

... how?

[merry granite]

You cant do a line of foundations the whole way, there is geometry in the way

i dont want to build 1000 metres up'

[dense violet]

zoop around terrain ? plan factories out so you don't have to go through mountains

honestly if you have a 1000m difference in height between factories and you want to use trains that's just very poor planning on your part

[merry granite]

i meant that i dont want to build above the entire map like some people do

[dense violet]

then don't?

easily hug the terrain https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1448157102966182049/1448167940225499156/image.png?ex=693ce9fe&is=693b987e&hm=d733744017b33fd5172ff21580f43747091dd25ee4f32f845efd9fe4e912cbdf&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

more hugging https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1442307635033411724/1442309559321497630/image.png?ex=693cb1f3&is=693b6073&hm=8ab700b3a1e2876115a7dc5dfcecf30d5961eaa5a347d6552fc1b211337edb34&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[dense violet]

the tightest hugging https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1432566231445274767/image.png?ex=693cd845&is=693b86c5&hm=9bddd5889eba4b0311ab2b9f4c205386a8d90b141918f945b6f5556b186a8a4c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[merry granite]

i dont really know what your point is

[dense violet]

you do need stacked rail for the tightest, sure, but it's doable

[merry granite]

my point is that its boring to build, not that its difficult

[dense violet]

you're complaining about terrain and building in the sky - I'm showing you those are non issues with the most basic planning

[mortal ginkgo]

I think a pillar blueprint with rails on can help you on this with bp auto connect.

[merry granite]

i didnt complain about terrain

[dense violet]

"i dont want to build 1000 metres up'"

then what does this have to do with anything

[merry granite]

because you brought up zooping around terrain

[dense violet]

yes, and yo udon't have to build 1000m up for that

[merry granite]

but thats not really the issue

i just dont want to build the railway in the first place

[dense violet]

then dont

[merry granite]

i want to build factories

[dense violet]

you can do a clean fast rail system across the map in like 20 minutes if it's not fancy

without building in the sky

[merry granite]

no you cant?

[dense violet]

you can run and zoop foundations very fast, then blueprint pylons on it and even use rail auto connect

it's very fast

[merry granite]

i mean if you just do 4 straight lines in a rectangle sure but needs are more nuanced than that

yeah about rail auto connect, how does that work with pillars?

[dense violet]

you put the pillars on the zooped foundations

[dense violet]

like so

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1423747654508216592/image.png?ex=693d1014&is=693bbe94&hm=67d5b1ae2c899f94d2cd6ed885e5cec2c9f67687018783dffe26fa9bebdb7f45&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[shy mulch]

if you ONLY want to build factories and don't want to do any transportation, then that's not what Satisfactory is. If you really want to play Satisfactory but not in the way the developers designed it, then mod it to suit your wishes. There's probably mods out there that let you put all the nodes in 1 place

[dense violet]

mods that add nodes would do it ^

but a huge part of the game is logistics.

[formal minnow]

dont you usually need custom maps for that

which like, i think those exist

[dense violet]

there's mods that build nodes - don't need a custom map

[formal minnow]

oh wha

[merry granite]

I like complicated logistics i just dont like building the same old train tracks round the map

[dense violet]

hell I think theres mods with machinse that just spit out whatever material you want

[merry granite]

but if i can make a prefab like yours thatd probably speed it up a fair bit

i usually just connect the rails and power lines manually

[dense violet]

build in the east swamp then. Everything you need

[merry granite]

yeah i am

[cunning glade]

What exactly does one need unlocked too get them I think I'm just getting super unlucky

[merry granite]

im currently making a rail line from the swamp to some oil, quartz and coal outside of the swamp

[mortal ginkgo]

you basically have a pillar BP with a rail sticking from both sides.
by using bp auto connect, you can just drag around and not need to connect rails yourself.

Now even if this isn't good enough, I may suggest Dyson Sphere Program.

In that game interstellar vessels work themselves out in a nice way etc.

[cunning glade]

Just refineries right?

[dense violet]

you can unlock HOR and packaged diluted fuel at tier 3

[dense violet]

if you want blender diluted fuel , you need blenders unlocked

[merry granite]

does it need to be 3 foundations long? do you have a raw example i could see without connections

[mortal ginkgo]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/fCqH6Ukisv0

a really good video showcasing it

[merry granite]

is there power auto connections in the game?

[dense violet]

they're talking about basically this >.> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1423747654508216592/image.png?ex=693d1014&is=693bbe94&hm=67d5b1ae2c899f94d2cd6ed885e5cec2c9f67687018783dffe26fa9bebdb7f45&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

but having the zooped foundations means you keep it in line and make sure the rails won't clip with too sharp a turn

[mortal ginkgo]

no, because no need. Train Stations transfer power.

[leaden turret]

belt all the things

[merry granite]

but you need to connect the train station to power

[mortal ginkgo]

Brother you need to do a lil bit of work in the end, yes 😛

[merry granite]

hold on, does 1 powered train station on a track provide power to other stations on the track, and you can transfer power along long distance through the stations?

[dense violet]

yes
but I wouldn't rely on it

[leaden turret]

yup

[mortal ginkgo]

Yes.

[merry granite]

oh

[dense violet]

if you ever edit the rail , you break power to other places

[merry granite]

well i feel silly for bringing power lines all the way over railways then lmao

[dense violet]

that's honeslty the safest thing to do

power lines uner the rails

it also lets you power things off the rail line

[whole drum]

My way is safer: just build power lines and skip the rail

[dense violet]

without a station

[mortal ginkgo]

there are uses for still but if you are careful with your power production and usage, you can do fine without them indeed

if an entire power grid fails, so does the trains etc, but if you are careful, no need to worry.

[merry granite]

prepare for the best i always say :)

[formal minnow]

jesus why do HMFs require like an entire country's worth of iron to produce

[leaden turret]

some countries are tiny

[formal minnow]

not the point

[mortal ginkgo]

so that you expand the factory 😛

[leaden turret]

balking at the screws?

[formal minnow]

wait the majority of this is because of the iron pipe recipe, lemme do some tweaking

[mortal ginkgo]

iron pipes are overrated

molded pipe my beloved

[whole drum]

Better than cast screws 😄

[leaden turret]

PEBKAC: problempioneer exists between keboard and chair.

[mortal ginkgo]

OI

Cast Screws are cool.

[whole drum]

Yeah, useless "cool."

[mortal ginkgo]

RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

[dense violet]

here, severely reduced resources https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=P2RvceX3kJbM3XUJRbq3

[formal minnow]

its free power and space

[dense violet]

my go to hmf path

[whole drum]

It's so little power I would never notice, lol

[mortal ginkgo]

my brother its an amazing recipe for EARLY game.

ıf you are at the point of "not noticing", why are you having screws unless it is steel screws near HMF manufacturers.

[formal minnow]

huh, didnt think of getting iron wire and stiched plates

[mortal ginkgo]

iron wire will make you scream due to how much space it asks but it releases copper ore and amazing recipe to go with stitched

[dense violet]

its less of a resource save and more just not messing with screws
Honestly I usually do bolted plate and bolted frame with steel screws but a lot of people hate it

[formal minnow]

man that input number is weird

iron wire really screws with nice looking numbers

[whole drum]

You are at the point of "not noticing" once you unlock splitters so you can set up burner arrays

[formal minnow]

does it even save resources in total actually

[dense violet]

'nice numbers' are figments of hte mind

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, you must be really good at this game. At this point you can just say "I don't need alt recipes" kek.

[dense violet]

it uses less coal but a bit more iron
so about the same, but fewer machines

[formal minnow]

ok and i like them

[dense violet]

change from Per min to a different amount of time, get rid of decimals then

[whole drum]

No, it's just that some of them don't do much.

[dense violet]

bolted https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=9yGahMuTrbUyoJT7B834

[mortal ginkgo]

I agree. But Cast Screws are not useless for an early game beginner person.

If you are already experienced, you would be at phase 3 so fast anyway.

[formal minnow]

didnt the wiki use to have resource comparisons for alts

[dense violet]

it does but it's only moderately useful since you need to know the whole chain on anything but the lowest tier items

[formal minnow]

i mean yeah but i wanna minimise iron usage here because its frustrating

[leaden turret]

recipe reviews can be biased, complicated, and a pita to maintain between versions.

[leaden turret]

that's what planning tools are for

[mortal ginkgo]

I think it only gets better with Pure Iron recipe via Refineries.

[dense violet]

sure but the break downs would be encyclopedia thick

[formal minnow]

not looking for rankings just factor inputs for different recipe chains

[leaden turret]

which wouldn't be that complex for lower tier recipes, but would be massively complicated for higher tier recipes

[formal minnow]

thats fair

[dense violet]

basically what I said xD

[whole drum]

Staggeringly

[leaden turret]

look at HMFs for example, and that's not even that high-tier

[dense violet]

it's easy to look at an ingot or iron plate recipe, who knows with computers

[formal minnow]

especially once manufacturers get involved, the number of possible permutations increases exponentially

[dense violet]

it's not and the combos are huge

[leaden turret]

plus overclocked + underclocked + slooped + unslooped have an impact on power requirements which has an impact on total fuel production which would need it's own recipe review...

[formal minnow]

i should really get solid steel ingots

[dense violet]

its useful

if you use coke steel you could use plastic coated plate for extra iron cut backs

bring in oil instead of coal

[formal minnow]

im gonna have to start figuring out train logistics

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> would it be an appropriate use of #1038092680493801533 to have a thread for proposed emotes, so they're all in one place for when one of you or the mods wants to grace us with new CM/coffee stainer/general satis emotes?

[obsidian zodiac]

mikael and i can chat about that

[leaden turret]

Mikael doesn't want to make his own emotes 😅

[formal minnow]

thats just trading one nuisance resource for another, importing oil is a chore
with coal at least i have the option of phasing out my coal power since im setting up fuel power

[obsidian zodiac]

and i dont wanna make my own either lol, maybe we make eachothers

[leaden turret]

plus there's missing items for general satis stuff that people might want. like we have but not 🚜 , and 1.2 will add 💧 etc. etc.

[dense violet]

it gives you flex though, and often times you'll want plastic/rubber for other things on location

now if you have zero need for oil products? sure solid steel is still great 🙂

[unkempt blade]

maybe we just need a dev stream where they just reenact all the existing CSS-person emotes... so we can get closure and totally not to turn them into memes...

[unique pewter]

<@&387163995947270144> <@&370483737957236737> Where can i find a road map, up coming updates, im keen to see what they are planning

[obsidian zodiac]

there is no public roadmap to see, apologies

we have announced 1.2 at some point in the future

beyond that youll have to stay tuned!

[unkempt blade]

and 1.2 is just a huge X on a pirate style treasure map that says "Factory Cart Mk2"?

[silk ocean]

Off-road factory carts xD

[formal minnow]

i dont think ill need anything else on location, im mostly doing individual factories so its likely only gonna be doing HMFs there

[mortal ginkgo]

if you are off-road, you are not in a factory..

So what you are asking is just.. Cart

[silk ocean]

Depends if the factory is on foundations or not 😈

[mortal ginkgo]

GASP!

[unkempt blade]

maybe the mk2 cart is the exact same except it has like 5% more traction on dirt

[mortal ginkgo]

dont we have golden cart?

[formal minnow]

turns out bolted plates dont save resources at all

[unkempt blade]

that's more of a mk1.5 than a mk2

[silk ocean]

Extra large rugged tyres

[formal minnow]

though weirdly enough stitched plate + iron wire saves a lot of resources

by like 27%

[unkempt blade]

what screw recipe were you comparing that setup against?

[formal minnow]

cast screws

is there one thats cheaper that doesnt require other inputs?

[unkempt blade]

ahh ok, I'd think steel screws might be a little closer just as far as material cost goes but not certain

[formal minnow]

its probably better overall but its an additional input

im tryna figure out how much RIP i can get out of each unit of iron without anything else

[dense violet]

is fair, more related when you're doing fused modular frames I suppose

[formal minnow]

is there a good way to check what alt recipes i have? the SCIM save editor cant filter for unlocked

[magic nest]

one thing that i love doing is making as much as physically possible with iron so currently i have a factory next to 3 pure iron nodes that makes plates screws wire steel pipes and rods and i just export all of those resources to other plants that need those resources for more advanced components

it’s my absolute favorite thing to do and i don’t know why

[formal minnow]

i got iron wire just to make motors purely out of iron

[dense violet]

boooo iron pipe 😛

[magic nest]

it’s extra iron that i have why not use it

[formal minnow]

i was not gonna set up long distance logistics before i got trains

[dense violet]

there's lots of coal near iron 😛 most common combo

[formal minnow]

i think my base spot is just weird

[magic nest]

extra unnecessary process

[unkempt blade]

not sure what you mean by filter but if you load you save in SCIM the Alternate Recipes tab under Research shows icons for each recipe if it's locked or unlocked

[magic nest]

i just use those areas solely for beams

[formal minnow]

i know about that but its hard to just see whats already unlocked

[whole drum]

I forgot how much I love the dune desert

Iron for days--make anything you want

[formal minnow]

cant even search recipes you gotta scroll through it in alphabetical order

[magic nest]

i love it mostly because as long as you build above the dunes it’s open territory for a HUGEEEEE factory

sadly not a power plant because no water

[whole drum]

There's water on the edges and a couple oasis

[magic nest]

it’s not enough from the oasis and the edges i’d have to deal with fluid towers and all that shabang so i just decided to build it over water

and then my troubles are solved

[whole drum]

Yeah, it's easy

[hushed canopy]

i have a factory using leached iron ingots, produces 1200x6 iron ingots per minute lol, but still need to work on what to make with all of that

[formal minnow]

should i just do 2/min HMFs to start off

[whole drum]

The oasis can give water, but I find the coal that is near them is better for steel

[stray inlet]

anytips when trying to make compact multiple floors factroy producing many items?

[unkempt blade]

screws

[hushed canopy]

floor conveyor holes

[whole drum]

Why make it compact?

[dense violet]

plan from the end point
break it down into sections

[hushed canopy]

XDDD

[whole drum]

You have an enormous map. Feel free to take some extra space to make organization easier.

[hushed canopy]

if only i could just dump all the screws into a hole somewhere, just let em roll of a conveyor into a pile

[magic nest]

the sink is knocking lol

[unkempt blade]

clip machines into each other to minimize space and maximize debugging confusion

[formal minnow]

quick question why the hell would you ever not use encased pipes over encased beams

[unkempt blade]

can't use aluminum to make pipes but you can use it for beams and aluminum gives it a weight advantage

[magic nest]

god my main work is so cluttered by spaghetti i just want to start a whole new world so i can compartmentalize everything without all this clutter

[formal minnow]

do it fr

[magic nest]

it takes me almost 1 hour of optimizing just to even think of making a new part

[formal minnow]

or like tear down and rebuild

[magic nest]

tear down is no longer a option at this point

[shy mulch]

the world is big, no reason to tear anything down or start again, just move to another area and start building there

[magic nest]

yeah it’s just all loops back into my main factory out of convenience

and honestly i’d rather dump another 150 hours into another save than making a fixing everything

[formal minnow]

satisfactory is really one of those games where you can procrastinate real life tasks by procrastinating ingame tasks

[hushed canopy]

i would much prefer a large screw dumpsite but alas the game does not allow it and would likely crash

[true mulch]

Looks awful when built on the ground, relies entirely on foundation bridges or BPs to look half decent, unnecessarily tedious, the way the splines work is weird

[hushed canopy]

i feel this

[shy mulch]

100000%

[hushed canopy]

hmm i wonder if by modding i could turn the dune desert crater hole thing into a waste dump

[magic nest]

yeah i’m currently procrastinating doing anything in my world because i wanted to do all the hard drives i have and also called out of work to play satisfactory lol

[magic nest]

ficsit never wastes 🫡

[hushed canopy]

waste processing facility* just take some off the bottom and feed into renewable energy factory

but the pile must be there

[unkempt blade]

I've mostly worked at startups and we talk about people having a "bias for action" where there may be many solutions that are good enough and you just need to make a decision and go with it which I think would be a good skill for a lot of pioneers to learn 😆

[magic nest]

throw it into the sink for the golden nut 🌰

[formal minnow]

i regret setting up in the north everything here is incredibly hostile

[hushed canopy]

pocket nuke

"aggressive sustained counterfire" -Legion

or alternatively cluster nobelisking all over the area

[magic nest]

also the one thing that is telling me to not do a new save is having to get all the alt recipes

console

[hushed canopy]

oof

[magic nest]

and yeah i could just use the cheat mode for it but it feels like cheating because i also want to invite people into it

idk sighhhhhhh

[hushed canopy]

i mean, just get the screws from start, and you can some day just take a stroll around picking a bunch up while redeploying MAM to put another one in (and imposing on the local wildlife)

[magic nest]

fair enough

[unkempt blade]

if you're doing an MP save you can probably burn through progress/crash sites really quickly

more early exploration isn't just more drives it's A LOT more resources from crash sites that really speeds things up

[hushed canopy]

yup

[magic nest]

well that solves that

[hushed canopy]

i do enjoy the simplicity of the early game though

[whole drum]

Mercer Spheres are the main bottleneck, imo

[hushed canopy]

somersloops have entered the chat

[magic nest]

that’s easy with the scanner tbh

[whole drum]

And left the chat. They don't matter much.

[magic nest]

unless its a resource that takes a long time to make like pasta i dont ever use sloops tbh

[dense violet]

oh no... can't dupe every item ... what a shaaaame

[hushed canopy]

i feel attacked by this statement, i rely on em for fuel maxing, MOAR FUEL GENS, MOAAAAR

[magic nest]

makes the math easier

[magic nest]

and fuel too forgot about that

[whole drum]

This is one of very few legitimate uses that isn't purely wasteful

[magic nest]

have about 24 sloops in my rocket fuel factory

[whole drum]

In the context of MP, that is

[unkempt blade]

@magic nest have your friends played satis before?

[hushed canopy]

it does help to double an endproduct if the production line is a long one

[magic nest]

just people from the discord not friends so i’m guessing so yes

[unkempt blade]

Ahh ok that helps a little. New players + existing factory = lots of cognitive load on top of learning the game

[whole drum]

Normally, that's true. But with extra players, it's way easier to overproduce whatever you want.

[magic nest]

yeah when i have my friends play it always start them out on their own little world i wouldnt dream of inviting them to mine

[whole drum]

That's why power is one of the best uses--it lets all the players make extra stuff

Then obviously you want to sloop slugs/remains

[magic nest]

currently making about 60k watts and only using like 20k

i need to up my power game

my god

i have like 180 generators only

the one thing that semi confuses me is how to maximize rubber and plastic production

[whole drum]

You mean mw?

[magic nest]

that’s kinda my bottle neck

[magic nest]

yes

[whole drum]

Next time you see Kyo, ask him. He has a good build you can reference.

Or Greeny

But if you're willing to do some homework, just start plugging stuff into SF Tools

[magic nest]

well i have 2 hard drives to go so i shall research in my brain

[silk ocean]

If they were SSDs wouldn't take 10 mins xD

[whole drum]

Just do them while you explore

Build a MAM on the spot, dump one in, tear down MAM, continue

[shy mulch]

Using recycled plastic and recycled rubber alts in a feedback loop, you can effectively double the output

I've done it a couple of times and it works well, but I can't really explain how lol. Best just find the guides, they are floating around somewhere

[magic nest]

🫡

[magic nest]

nahhh hard drive time is research time

it’s a sacred time where i research about the game like im the mam of satisfactory

[shy mulch]

nice in-lore plan 🙂

[mortal ginkgo]

Your efforts on productivity is noted by Ficsit Executives. You are now eligible for 15 seconds of time to stop and ponder about kitties and puppies.

You can use it when Phase 5 is complete.

[silk ocean]

Like...
#screenshots message
? xD

[magic nest]

thank you so much dear ficsit executives may please get a autograph 🙏🏼

[shy mulch]

Looks good, here's my version https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553550313533997057/1425750073890832454/Screenshot_20250813-173116.png?ex=693d18ba&is=693bc73a&hm=126e638511a650c8db97e36f604970611d89be6aba5f69b7f883800f884ee249&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1229&height=514

[mortal ginkgo]

Isnt recycled rubber and plastic is rather easy to setup when used together?

just make sure to use smart splitters to continuously feed refineries with rubber and plastic while the extra overflow just goes through the main lines?

[silk ocean]

Nice, looks at least double the size

[mortal ginkgo]

Your 15 seconds break is revoked since you are not only in discord, but also demanding silly stuff.

[magic nest]

yes sir 🫡

[shy mulch]

I hear that a lot

[magic nest]

you guys are so incredibly dedicated on making everything look nice my god

only thing i ever did make look nice was my power plant because it would make it easier to debug if there was a problem

[mortal ginkgo]

Nice? All they have is floating foundations! They make me go RRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

[magic nest]

better than my factories that are made on the ground

[mortal ginkgo]

... aren't they supposed to be on ground?

am I being trolled by the ENTIRE community as we speak?!

[magic nest]

not a single foundation in sight for miles

[shy mulch]

that one is relatively basic, making things laid out neatly is easier in the long run than making it a mess, there isn't really any decoration there other than colour coding which, again, was for the purpose of making things easier

[magic nest]

yeah my spaghetti is so tasty in my factory

[compact flicker]

How have I never thought of colour coding???

[magic nest]

you can basically taste the sand and dirt

[mortal ginkgo]

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROTHERMAN

[shy mulch]

it helps so much. in that screenshot I shared above, the cyan refineries are making plastic and the yellow ones are making rubber

[magic nest]

yeah trust me i regret it every single day

[shy mulch]

also colour coding pipes to represent what they are carrying really helps too

[silk ocean]

Color coding is beyond my level XD

[mortal ginkgo]

water is blue, oil is black, purple is heavy oil, pink is my mom, orange is fuel

[magic nest]

my hard drive time has completed

[tall lantern]

everything is orange

[compact flicker]

Yeah that looks better than if it weren't coded.

Genuine question, what needs that much plastic and rubber? My initial plastic/rubber production has always supplied more than I could eved use

[shy mulch]

dull yellowish-grey is liquid limestone

[magic nest]

thank you all for being a part of my research

[mortal ginkgo]

ok brotherman, you go jail

[magic nest]

i shall go back to struggling and crying myself to sleep by adding my spaghetti into my world

[compact flicker]

My 20 encased beams/min is taking 480 iron/min -w-

[magic nest]

also there’s about a 50 meter section in my factory that you can’t even touch the floor in

[mortal tree]

my doggo got stucke how can i get him out like unstuck or hold or somth

[shy mulch]

it all gets shipped off to my big sink points factory to be turned into better things that eventually get sinked, I make about 80 million sink points per minute

[magic nest]

it’s just straight up conveyors belt

[unkempt blade]

mix things up and make a nice fusilli for a while

[compact flicker]

I see.

Got a golden nut showcase room?

[shy mulch]

Not yet, got 1 of each thing then just let the tokens build up, think there's about 3k sitting ready to be spent, going to let it keep going and see how high it goes before it breaks

[compact flicker]

Whats the final product being sunk?

[shy mulch]

mostly ballistic warp drives, 25/min of them, plus a bunch of random stuff in lower quantities

might dump some of my singularity cells at some point, I'm producing way more than I am using, got a few storages full now

[compact flicker]

Absurd.

And the fact that "random other stuff" is 17.5~ million points a minute is also absurd lmao.

[unkempt blade]

it all adds up pretty quick if you're just overflowing stuff you'd send to your depot for building

[shy mulch]

Well I didn't want to mess around with making everything exactly calculated numbers, I over-estimate every step and round up a bit, so I have a lot of overflows all over the place

[compact flicker]

I spend 4x the amount of time on projects than what I need to because I need my numbers to be crisp :p

[unkempt blade]

peak overdidpendency

[shy mulch]

Different styles of play. Both are valid

[compact flicker]

Ye :3

[shy mulch]

We all do things the way we enjoy doing them. If we all enjoyed the same things the world would be a rubbish place to be

[unkempt blade]

I'm usually "well there are 5 nodes nearby I want to use for X and I'm going to try to use all of them" more than knowing what I need and working backwards

[mortal ginkgo]

Some people plays the game NOT the way I play. It is madness to be fair but hey.

[shy mulch]

I'm the exact opposite. I start with my final requirement then figure out how to get the ingredients there. Which is how I end up with drones all over the place collecting random stuff that is in locations too annoying to run a rail line

[compact flicker]

I rly need to automate the basic iron components

40 hrs in on this save btw

[limpid cairn]

everyone plays on a different pace btw

[compact flicker]

Im in phase 3 im just slackin lol

[limpid cairn]

wait till you get to phase 4

[compact flicker]

Just on a new save, I have infact saved the puppies and kittens before.

[obsidian zodiac]

spoke with mikael, feel free to make the thread!

[primal obsidian]

have to go automate magnetic field generators now and then ill have space part yay

automating superposition oscillators and neural quantum processor didnt even take that long lets goo

and itll take less then an hour since i automated those both at 5/min

wait why havent i dont biochemical sculptor yet i literally automate assembly director system a while ago

[grizzled lotus]

I unlocked trains. I'm already overwhelmed

Any tips? I'm in the 3rd biome (narrow forest). Think I might build my base in the valley next to me. And might just slowly build a huge network over the entire map.

[dense violet]

just connect up factories as you make them, plan locations based on terrain in between where you want trains to avoid huge elevation changes

to make it easy to build - zoop a line of foundations the whole way and print rail towers to connect them up

[grizzled lotus]

rail towers?

[dense violet]

basically just short towers with 2 bits of rail on either side for both lanes

[dense violet]

lthese are really simple ones https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1448157102966182049/1448167940225499156/image.png?ex=693ce9fe&is=693b987e&hm=d733744017b33fd5172ff21580f43747091dd25ee4f32f845efd9fe4e912cbdf&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[leaden turret]

bloop: https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1449014435174940693

[grizzled lotus]

I see. Cool. I'll make a blueprint of that. Is that distance enough for a train to make a u-turn?

also, are stators and rotors used in a lot of things? I'm considering just pumping them all into a motor factory, unless I need them for other stuff.

[shy mulch]

I'm making just over 100/min of each and that's plenty for my quite lofty needs. I'd say most people could get away with a lot less than that

[compact flicker]

The most basic of part have been automated

[grizzled lotus]

and?

[shy mulch]

and what? I was answering the question

[grizzled lotus]

I didn't understand the answer. Are rotors and stators used in a lot of recipes other than motors?

[shy mulch]

sigh

I give up, honestly

[dense violet]

I mean it's just a short tower, make the turns with the bottom foundations they are placed on

[shy mulch]

I enjoy this game and love to discuss it, but the community can be absolute trash sometimes

[grizzled lotus]

do you think it's fair calling me trash because I said I didn't understand your answer?

[shy mulch]

Why is nobody seemingly capable of doing anything for themselves. Basic info that couldn't be easier to find

[dense violet]

!wikisearch Rotor

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Rotor

[shy mulch]

not because you didn't understand the answer, the fact that you felt the need to even ask the question

[dense violet]

!wikisearch stator

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=stator

[shy mulch]

it's like going onto a trademan's forum and asking how to pick up a hammer

[grizzled lotus]

ok, don't get ptsd, it's just a question about a game

[shy mulch]

it gets exhausting when 99% of questions that get asked here, the asker could have found out for themselves in the time it took them to ask, but there seems to be some expectation that everyone should do all the work for you

use the tools available to you

[grizzled lotus]

I asked a simple question, you're free to answer or not, really. I didn't ask about your "lofty needs" for stators and rotors lol

[shy mulch]

imo your question was more out of place than my answer

[grizzled lotus]

ok. eitherway there's no reason to get unnatually offended

[shy mulch]

normal people would have seen my answer and thought "ok, I need significantly less than 100 of each" and that would be that

but you want people to copy and paste the wiki for you rather than you reading it from source

[grizzled lotus]

oh boy, this is going for a while, isn't it?

thank you for answering my question. /end

[shy mulch]

another one for the block list

[grizzled lotus]

easier than me blocking him at least lol

[compact flicker]

I am.. Very confused-

[reef basin]

What happened here lol

[shy mulch]

the usual "I cba to search the wiki, please tell me everything"

[grizzled lotus]

nothing worth discussing. let's celebrate me unlocking TRAINS!

[dense violet]

no idea

[grizzled lotus]

last run I would spent entire sessions building rails lol

[reef basin]

Chcek wiki or codex, but I'd have a production to depot for anything that could be needed.

[compact flicker]

Yeah a single small production line w/ an attached depot should be more than enough when referencing uses outside of motors.

[reef basin]

As for production of stators and rotors for motors, I'd have those inside my motor factory, I wouldn't use existing productions for it

[grizzled lotus]

that makes sense. shouldn't break away from the mantra of automating everything independantely

thanks for the answers

[compact flicker]

Sry for just watching allat unfold a lil bit ago without interjecting, I was quite intrigued as to where it was going :p

[grizzled lotus]

curiosity can get the best of us lol

I have enough stress in my life. I don't need more of it online

[compact flicker]

Anyways, I welcome another train enthusiast into our ranks

:3

[mortal ginkgo]

Says this while going to work on trains.

I kek.

Jk ofc. Trains are chungus, chonky and cool.

[compact flicker]

I should learn how to use the signals. I just build loops

[mortal ginkgo]

Block Signals if you want your train to BLOCK the spot it got in.

Path Signal if you want it to continue the PATH it takes in next step and not get stuck in junction etc.

There you go.

[compact flicker]

I think I understand, now to find a situation in which using them is better than loops

I love catwalks

[formal minnow]

explosive rebar > obelisks for obstacle clearing any day

[compact flicker]

Nuke nobelisk really need their rock destroying ability buffed

[bitter lodge]

Loop like what?

[mortal ginkgo]

Cluster Nobelisk enters the chat.

[compact flicker]

Just closed monorail loops with 1 train

[bitter lodge]

I had the same issue.

[mortal ginkgo]

Reading this gave me UNIMAGINABLE HORROR which I was not prepared for, brotherman.

[bitter lodge]

The path signal shows up, and when the train passes through the signal from behind. It changes automatically and your system gets fucked.

[mortal ginkgo]

I also have it for my HUB and it works perfect kek

[compact flicker]

Sistergirl (?)

[mortal ginkgo]

kek.

[compact flicker]

I design my factories with efficency second, catwalk compatibility first.

The only thing in this world I love more than trains is catwalks

[strong fiber]

I cant seem to find an area where there is caterium and crude oil

[compact flicker]

I think I just had the most satisfying math I've ever had in SatisFactory

I have 300 ingots to work with, and the things I wanna automate rn need exactly 100

Nvm I mathed wrong 😭 😭

[dull pine]

Where do I make nitric acid

[hard ivy]

blender

[compact flicker]

One of my miners hasn't been oveclocked for the past 3 hrs -w-

[leaden turret]

answering a yes or no question with something other than a yes or no answer can be incredibly frustrating.

[stoic burrow]

Unfortunate

[compact flicker]

It was just some basic resources being uploaded so its not a huge deal, but my plates are a little lower than the rods now :p

[stoic burrow]

Lol

[coral marsh]

Hiya guys/gals

[stoic burrow]

Hai

[coral marsh]

I have 2 goals for my extreme endgame builds in the game

Hit 1 Terawatt of power generation and build such a massive battery bank farm, it will hold 20Tw/hr's

[stoic burrow]

Oop

[green fiber]

You might wanna spread that project out over the world in multiple builds

A single one might just crash the game OR best case you get 5 FPS

[coral marsh]

Thats fine by me

If it needs to be in 5 locations, id be happy still

Ive already gotten a start on building 250 nuclear reactors

[reef basin]

fyi, "battery" is an item, so you most likely have "power storage" 🙂

(also, we have factories, not farms 😛 )

[feral jay]

@green fiber love the username

[hard ivy]

wrong operand, there. and wrong capitalisation. and wrong abbreviation for hour

[coral marsh]

The words fit as far as my adhd brain is concerned lol, but yea I was aware

[coral marsh]

Seriously?

Thats what your picking at?

[shy mulch]

1TW is surprisingly hard to use, once you have that amount of power you're unlikely to have any need for the power storages

[shy mulch]

People here love picking at units, me included. The correct units would be 20 TWh, the case is important too

[leaden turret]

-# 72000 kmws

[brazen cove]

will i get a better energy sourse at lvl2 of space elevator?

[strong fiber]

yes

[brazen cove]

thanks

[strong fiber]

are you on phase 1 right now

[brazen cove]

yes i am

[strong fiber]

You will get coal power which is generational

[brazen cove]

wait huh i'm so confused right now, let me check

[hard ivy]

coal power is in phase 1

[strong fiber]

i meant oil

[lunar python]

Fuel

[strong fiber]

I meant oil power

[brazen cove]

oh no wait i'm on stage 2

[lunar python]

[strong fiber]

And then u can make plastic and rubber

[leaden turret]

generational

🏭 🧓
🏭 🧑
🏭 👶

[brazen cove]

i thought i need to get to stage 2

[hard ivy]

completing phase 3 gives you access to nuclear then

[brazen cove]

i still have to finish 2nd lol

[strong fiber]

Im cooked for nuclear

[hard ivy]

🤦‍♂️ what does the game say in the top right?

[brazen cove]

''complete stage 2nd''

[hard ivy]

then yeah, you'll get oil when you complete it

[brazen cove]

i will love the time wasted on deleting all my coal machines

[hard ivy]

why would you delete them?

[feral jay]

Why delete them?