satisfactory

[glass pagoda]

Hi

[charred thistle]

okay maybe coal would be worth looking into

[glass pagoda]

Yeah you should probably use coal now but remember that oil is just up ahead

[charred thistle]

OIL????

[gritty zealot]

🦅

[glass pagoda]

Hello fellow American

[charred thistle]

RAHHHHHHHHHH TEXAS

yeah fuck coal oil supremacy

imma order a pizza :3

[glass pagoda]

You need coal to power the extractor if you want to get oil

[cunning lily]

Not necessarily 😉

[glass pagoda]

Well you need it to keep ur sanity

[last wasp]

there is any difference between biofuel and packaged fuel in the jetpack?

[bitter shuttle]

qfor some reason the first 3 freight loads are synced but the 4th isn't and its bugging me

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch jetpack

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=jetpack

[glass pagoda]

Packaged bio fual lasts wayyyyyyyyyyyy longer in the jetpack

[hard ivy]

solid biofuel and packaged fuel are utter trash

and liquid biofuel is the goat

[last wasp]

there isn't a smaller refinery right?

[glass pagoda]

Yeah that's what I said. You package liquid biofual to transport

[white dawn]

If you move further away, it'll look smaller!

[glass pagoda]

Wake uo

[glass pagoda]

Good tip

Is the red forest the biggest area on the map

[versed helm]

i have an issue with nitrogen gas, i have 3 blender that required 500m/min but max flow inside pipe mk2 it half (240), i tried with mk1 it also half (150). Someone can explain what its the problem. Thx

[ocean frost]

Pipes in a nutshell, how far is your nitrogen form your build

[versed helm]

mhhh i would say 200 meters

[hard ivy]

I have a nitrogen pipe maintaining 600/min at a longer distance than that

[whole drum]

Nice thing is you don't have to worry about headlift. You still want to pre-fill the pipes and make sure you have enough throughput for your draw.

You're not using any buffers are you?

[hard ivy]

or vavles or pumps

[versed helm]

yes

[ocean frost]

honestly just package it to save you the time of troubleshooting it

its not a long distance and it will garentee flow

[versed helm]

thats the problem, i disconnect all builds and they wont fill at full

[hard ivy]

then don't. same with valves and pumps

they don't do anything helpful with gas

[versed helm]

ok ok

and i cant package, i dont habe enough space, i almost done my factory of cooling system 😄

[whole drum]

Gas only needs pipes. Sheer volume is all you care about.

[versed helm]

it seems works

thx a lot, even after 1500h played, i really hate fluids/gas

[barren current]

does anyone know of a guide to get to the xeno basher in the doggo cave with only starting equipment (i.e. do it as a parkour challenge). So far, I've been jumping around the cave, and the best I've worked out is "parachute only".

there's just ONE break in the flow of the jump puzzle where it doesn't work

[whole drum]

I'd just bring some foundation/ladders, lol

[white dawn]

Bit of a cheese, but foundations + foundation ramps would do

Though I get that goes against what you're presumably going for. :D

[barren current]

it had occured to me xD

[ocean frost]

storage containers have ladders

[dense violet]

generally building stuff to get places are how you get places 😛 at least early on

[whole drum]

I might go through the effort for some early Blade Runners, but definitely not for a mere melee weapon

[soft marsh]

been having a lot more crashes recently 🤔

[whole drum]

Nice. Never hurts to have more hard drives.

[soft marsh]

Eh? Not finding more crashes, having more crashes lol

[whole drum]

😄

[soft marsh]

wtf and now all my settings are wiped, thats weird

[sullen gull]

👋

[whole drum]

I'd say do the generic troubleshooting stuff:

• Update/Restart your PC/Console
• Update drivers if PC
• Verify files
• Make sure your memory/cpu aren't capping and that your storage isn't full
• Pull out the cartridge, blow on it, and shove it back in

[unkempt blade]

thanks the cartridge one fixed my train signal problem

[whole drum]

It does wonders are carts too

[barren current]

I've just made a bunch of images about how to climb up to the basher with (nearly) day1 equipment. It annoys me that only one of the jumps requires a parachute and that by having a parachute you can cheese a bunch of the rest of the course.

[whole drum]

Could just use a hover pack like a normal person

[barren current]

I have been looking around the entire doggo cave and can't see another way up :(

so what's driven me here, is that I'm running a sat+ game, and these comforts are a LONG way away in that mod xD

[unkempt blade]

Is there anything parachutes can't do? They're clearly the best back slot item

[barren current]

they are amazing, and I love that they left the "use parachute to go up" mechanic in xD

does feel like there's a lot of parkour puzzles left around the map that someone carefully designed, which then became totally irrelevant since they added so many mobility things.

[unkempt blade]

which was your favorite?

[barren current]

The tallest point with the uranium node on the top of it :) (north of map)

[unkempt blade]

that's a fun climb

[whole drum]

Especially ladders, lol

[barren current]

I remember back in my day, when the DOUBLE RAMP PACK was the essential exploration upgrade. You youngn's never had it so good what with your zoops, your zips 'nd your architectural build pieces. 3 points we saved up for at the ol' awesome shop.

[primal obsidian]

train

[ebon cave]

Where do I find a Sam? I’m at the rocky desert area

[versed cosmos]

there's a sam node in the big cave in the north of the rocky desert

got nobelisks yet?

[ebon cave]

Uh no how do I get those?

Sorry I’m new I’m on console

[versed cosmos]

coal and sulfur and steel

you dont need them to get into the cave

[ebon cave]

Oh okay

[versed cosmos]

go for a walk along the northern coast and there's two entrances

down by the water not up on the cliffs

[ebon cave]

Uhhhh

[sullen gull]

-1130, -1408

[ebon cave]

So go like all the way up of the rocky desert and walk alongg the beach?

[ebon cave]

Thank u

[barren current]

another easy option is the crater lakes up the big waterfall

[ebon cave]

Wait in this cave?

[barren current]

there's a sam node in one of the lakes.

the big cave is sort of a pain

[ebon cave]

All I have is the zapper

[barren current]

yeh, don't go in the big cave yet, it won't be a good time xD

[ebon cave]

Do u perchance have cords idk that yet

[sullen gull]

As far as I remeber, it's only smol spidys 😏

[ebon cave]

Them shits hurt still

[ebon cave]

Where is crater lakes ?

[sullen gull]

Go south and look for the lake and big waterfalls

[gentle lion]

I picked up a normal looking present so I could have some more boom boom lol

[sullen gull]

Then go up the ramp to the right of it all

[gentle lion]

Finally got the sloop and slug on the small island out west

[ebon cave]

So go like in the south of rocky desert?

[sullen gull]

Yeah, south, south east. Just follow the river next to that cave

[ebon cave]

Uhhhh ok I’ll try

[ebon cave]

Do u have coors or nah

[sullen gull]

sec

[barren current]

south east, up the big grey cliff face towards the waterfall. You'll see a big ramp. the sam node is at spoiler co-ordinates ||-79. -31 ||

My advice, just go for a run and have a look around. But SAM, is totally worth finding on your first playthrough.

[sullen gull]

Wasn't in game atm 😏

Ahh, there ya go

[barren current]

just because the entire of sam tree makes the game so good

[sullen gull]

Fyi, there are a few Hogs up there.

[barren current]

I think you need to be at steel parts to exploit it though?

[sullen gull]

Tuubes

[whole drum]

I was like 120hrs in before I found SAM the first time

Don't recommend

[ebon cave]

I’m not even at phase one yet, so do you think I could get it?

[dense violet]

just complete the first phase , you're in the pre tutorial. Learn the basics

[whole drum]

You need steel before you can do much with it

[sullen gull]

Get to steel first maybe

[barren current]

honey, you want COAL. Coal is where the game starts :), but you'll need to do the first space elevator order first.

[versed cosmos]

coal power before steel

[ebon cave]

OK. I was just trying to get that so I can make more of the things that overcloxk stuff with the sommersloops

[dense violet]

seriously don't worry about SAM at this ponit

[sullen gull]

Though, the crater lakes is an alright spot for Coal power too

[versed cosmos]

dont sloop anything yet

you dont have enough power

[whole drum]

Agree. Non-auto power is kiddie pool.

[gentle lion]

I found Sam not far from where I started in the grassy area it was southish

[sullen gull]

Eh, slooping biomass chain can be very benificial

[whole drum]

Yeah, in a cave on the cliff

[sullen gull]

You get the sloops back anyhow if/when dismanteling the biopower

[ebon cave]

Well I just want to get more power shards either then

With them

[whole drum]

Set up coal power before worrying about clocking stuff

[gentle lion]

More like a very far fall...😂 I guess that is a cave I built foundations out , and conveyor lifts to the top

[ebon cave]

Okay

Ty guys

[gentle lion]

Much like everything else it's on a very long conveyor belt to main base

[barren current]

honestly, if your base depends on a tractor, your life will be upsetting because everything about vehicles is a pain to setup. Conveyors till trains, baby.

[strong fiber]

Should i make my computer/heavy modular frame factory in the red forest?

[gentle lion]

I found that bauxite on the cliff on th west coast ... Gotta get that somehow but I can't use it yet.

[versed cosmos]

bauxite in your inventory is genuinely useless

you cant craft anything with it it needs to be combined with water

[barren current]

baux is like T7 tech.

[strong fiber]

is it even useful for anything in the mam?

[gentle lion]

Yeah I have to do the other 2 parts for the elevator

[strong fiber]

Like the aluminum sheets or casings

[versed cosmos]

nope

[gentle lion]

And don't even know where to build those factories yet

[strong fiber]

Should i sink the casings and sheets then

[gentle lion]

I finished t5 and 6 so I'm stuck until elevator parts are done.

[barren current]

like literally the only thing you can do with aluminium parts you find is unlock some of the crash sites, but if you are finding crash sites that require aluminimum and you are finding aluminimum parts, YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE YET YOU MANIAC.

[versed cosmos]

nah they open some crash sites

[strong fiber]

You right

[gentle lion]

Oh I've found aluminum parts as well lol

[strong fiber]

I found one of those so uh

[gentle lion]

I shiuld put those in the dd

[strong fiber]

I just went through the rocky desert bru chill out

And i got radiation

[whole drum]

But, but... hard drives.

[barren current]

xD

[whole drum]

Rebar, nobs, and inhalers. All you really need.

[versed cosmos]

the world is completely open theres no places youre only supposed to get to at a certain point

maybe places sealed up by rocks that need to be blown up but theres usually a wayu around

[strong fiber]

I have nobelisks already so i can go anywhere

[barren current]

oh you can go anywhere, the big scary spiders are supposed to give you a clue not to go that way xD

[versed cosmos]

nice

[strong fiber]

Its called passive mode

[versed cosmos]

even on passive mode i dont go anywhere near the spiders lol

[strong fiber]

I turned it on passive to collect hardrives

[whole drum]

The more advanced materials near sites hints at a progression-expansion pace that is "intended," but by no means enforced.

[strong fiber]

I kill the monsters on retaliate mode

[sullen gull]

Umm, there is no reason, other than maybe can't get to or can't defend yourself, that you can't explore and gather as many hard drives as you want/can get to. Just because they have "advanced parts" doesn't mean "you should see this yet"

And, you can very well use those parts to complete MAM research as well.

Not only for other crash sites. Or, you can even sink them for early coupons.

[whole drum]

Legit the best use for them in early game

[strong fiber]

Is there alot of hardrives in the swamp

[barren current]

For clarity: I'm not denying you your right to play how you want to.

It's just funny :)

[versed cosmos]

yes but there are evil creatures too

SO MANY

[strong fiber]

Free alien protiens

[sullen gull]

Lots of spooder and fart rocks

[whole drum]

I've done this with super computers and turbo motors while I was still in phase 2 to get a bunch of tickets all at once. It's great, but has diminishing returns (as you know).

[versed cosmos]

also radioactive hogs

[strong fiber]

Should i automate nobelisks then

Imma blow them mfs to hell

[sullen gull]

I mean, A single machine's worth feeding into a single container and DD is MORE than you would ever need I'd imagine.

[barren current]

one thing I didn't realise until a recent restart playthrough is how a couple of early crash site loot runs to the neighboring vicinity saves having to wack at the handcrafting terminal.

[strong fiber]

I got 30 sulfur a min coming in would that be good

[sullen gull]

You'd have to look at the recipe

[strong fiber]

I know i need coal too but imma hand feed that in

[sullen gull]

Just hit O, look up the Noblisk, and work backwards

[strong fiber]

Im also gonna craft the rebar gun

[whole drum]

Especially for early frames, rotors, stators, and rips

[sullen gull]

Explosive rebar is the goat

[barren current]

exactly. Like even constructors taking RIP is a painful earlygame demand to actually craft rather than loot

[whole drum]

Can get a jump on the early milestones and Mam stuff

[sullen gull]

Typically, in any save (that's not a creative ofc), I burn to coal power, blade runners (sometimes I just go get then from the Doggo cave), jetpack with liquid bio fuel, and rifle with standard rifle ammo. Usually when I have that stuff at a minimum, I will pretty much spend a day or two exploring the map 'naturally' with the explorer, stripping the map of mercers, sloops, slugs, and hard drives. Or, at least a very good amount.

[whole drum]

I don't really use vehicles. I should make a point to on my next save.

Drones are usually about it

[sullen gull]

I have only a couple times for actual logistics, But love touring the map in the explorer

[wicked nacelle]

that's what I'm doing. It's not fun

[barren current]

I really think vehicles (not trains and drones) are just too annoying to automate anything with.

1. You have to draw the full routes. Depending on your personality that means correcting mistakes.
2. You have to get fuel for them (really feels like a big ask vs trains)
3. You have to build really wide infrastructure for them like, at least 1.5 foundations per lane, and truckstations take up so much room.
4. Even a good vehicle network always runs clumsily.

[wicked nacelle]

AND if you realize you need a new route that conflicts with existing ones you ahve to fully redo the existing ones and the new one

or build insane amounts of road infrastructure

[sullen gull]

I feel like 1.2 may bring more than just a fluid truck in regards to vehicles 😛

[wicked nacelle]

like sky road or whateve4r

[round crown]

Its the same time tho. Its that or belthighways and it looks better

Oh

[barren current]

it just feels like 8x the work of trains, and about 12x the work of just building conveyor belts. But trains are amazing, so they win

[wicked nacelle]

belt busses are WAY better than vehicles

[whole drum]

Belt highways make you fast while you're on them tho

[round crown]

I thought you meant trains

[round crown]

Nah I thought they were talking about trains too. But I don't think vehicles are bad

[sullen gull]

Plus, they alieviate the need to run power lines all over the map if you have a station at each factory 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

vehicles are at best "acceptable" for certain things like moving coal. but they're bad at most things

[round crown]

Don't need that when I got hypertube cannons

[barren current]

and, a nice two way train network has lots of reuse potential compared to belts.

[whole drum]

I was including trains with my initial statement, but yeah... trucks are too wonky

[barren current]

you get none of these benefits with trucks.

[round crown]

In that case I disagree

[wicked nacelle]

power towers eliminate the headache of running power but getting it for free is still nicer.

[normal dagger]

hmm so i'm going to be making my first playthrough in years... (last time i played was before trains/nuclear power was a thing) i'm wondering if i should use the alternative recipes mod and better machines or not

cus when i use them all the calculator websites wont work right?

[wicked nacelle]

I'd go stock for a run if you really haven't played in that long

[round crown]

What do you mean? You need power lines regardless

[wicked nacelle]

rail carries power

[sullen gull]

Eh, those were insinuated by just saying poer lines instead of poles 😏

[round crown]

.....wait they do?

[whole drum]

I wouldn't run mods on this save tbh

[barren current]

my pro tip for building train networks: build yourself a nice elevated track pole blueprint for 2 way trains. It makes making the network really satisfying

[normal dagger]

i want solar power tho :/

[round crown]

Idk how to do that

[wicked nacelle]

yes if you have powered rail you can pull a line off a train station and then power a factory off it

[sullen gull]

The rails carry power. So, if you have a station at each factory, essentially you can run your factory from the station.

[round crown]

I....didn't know that

[wicked nacelle]

there's a mod for that. but the concept of unbounded resource-less power kind of breaks the game balance. that's why geothermal is so limited in the number of spots

[round crown]

Solar power would be BUSTED

How do you balance that

[sullen gull]

Yeah, even with that mod, unless you want like half the map be solar, it's not worth it imo 😛

[versed cosmos]

just use advanced game settings at that point

[normal dagger]

i guess, i just remember the game getting tedious mid to late game and i was hoping for a chill after work session

[whole drum]

It makes more sense in Factorio where the resources you put into making them are an actual cost

[round crown]

I've never used geothermal. Is it that good?

[ebon cave]

If I stand on a portable miner can the spiders hit me

[round crown]

The name of the game is being tedious. Thats the entire point

[whole drum]

It's weak, but "free"

[normal dagger]

xd fair point 😄

[wicked nacelle]

it's better now that they moved it earlier in the tech tree from before 1.0. So if you go out of your way to do it early it helps. But if you just do it kinda "normal time" then no , it's essentially worthless

[round crown]

I should prob be using it then

[wicked nacelle]

it used to require super computers I think. which REALLY made it so late it was meaningless

[round crown]

What tier is it

[wicked nacelle]

cat mam unlock I think? mam for sure

[whole drum]

You need like 5 "regular" geos to make like 1 fuel plant

[sullen gull]

There is about ~7GW on the map if i recall. But it "fluctuates". But that can be "mitigated" a bit by running it through a battery bank. 🤷‍♂️

[wicked nacelle]

but the recipe for building them doesn't require late game items (supercomputer) anymore

[ebon cave]

If I stand on a portable miner can the spiders hit me

[round crown]

Oh its unlocked in the mam? Does it use the red thingies

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch geothermal

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=geothermal

[neon basalt]

Time to attempt coal power and steel production. If I dont like it, I'll either start over completely somewhere else or just with biofuel

[round crown]

Oh im thinking of something else

[normal dagger]

so yall say don't use mods except for maybe some of the quality of life mods and use build planners to plan on factories?

[wicked nacelle]

it still needs high speed connectors -- probably should have just made it only use computers to be really useful

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[whole drum]

I don't use mods at all currently

[sullen gull]

Some good info there @neon basalt

[wicked nacelle]

I use infinite zoop and that's it. A ton of the old QoL mods are just built into the game now

[whole drum]

The connectors are phase 3, ya?

[normal dagger]

NGL modular load balancers look super duper usefull

[wicked nacelle]

load balancers aren't useful

[sullen gull]

I like Satisfactory Modeler for planning. And I do have some "architecture" mods installed, but mostly use Infinite Nudge/zoop, curvebuilder, and skyui quite a bit.

[neon basalt]

Im probably gonna overclock my nodes since theyre just normal

[sullen gull]

load balancers are "hype". Not really worth it/needed in the long run.

[versed cosmos]

load balancers are awesome but manifolds let you actually beat the game lol

[whole drum]

"Average power on map = 7100 MW"
So a modest array of basic fuel gens, basically.

[normal dagger]

i remember needing to split resources like 50-90 etc would that be much easier with load balancers?

[wicked nacelle]

you don't need to do that.

[versed cosmos]

geothermal gens are good for setting up a grid without having to run cables across the map

[barren current]

basically, load balancers are only for parts that you are producing at less than 10per minute.

[wicked nacelle]

only if you don't need much power

[versed cosmos]

yeah

small set ups that dont justify running those cables

[wicked nacelle]

as was just mentioned, train rail carries power so..

so even if you don't like power wire... you can just bring a train

[barren current]

eventually any imblanaced system that has all inputs connected to all outputs that isn't limited in throughput will overflow to fill efficiently. It's just a matter of how long.

For this reason, manifolds are usually the way to go

[sullen gull]

I wouldn't even say then tbh

[formal minnow]

you only ever have to load balance for nuclear power

[whole drum]

The only balancing I really do is for recipes with specific ratios. Like default rips using screws, so you merge and then split them to feed the assemblers evenly. Technically, manifold works just fine for this too (eventually).

[formal minnow]

everything else will be fine

[wicked nacelle]

and beyond that like... a splitter load balances between two or three lines anyhow if you want to send some off to dimensional depot or whtever

that would be the only thing I'd want would be to not have to wait for a container to fill up with 10/m before it starts going to production or whtaever if I"m syphoning off items

[versed cosmos]

i think load balancers fail with number of machines not throughput of parts

[wicked nacelle]

I do really wish you could lock off slots in a container

[round crown]

Oh I was talking abt the alien matrix

[versed cosmos]

like it becomes so tedious to properly balance 10+ machines

just run a manifold

[wicked nacelle]

yes, it takes 10. it's all in the wiki

[formal minnow]

the thing is the struggle will start as early as like, rotor production

[wicked nacelle]

and the moment you realize you want 15 instead you start over from scratch

[whole drum]

It depends on what your throughput is and how many machines. Some numbers are super easy to work with.

[wicked nacelle]

struggle to what?

[formal minnow]

load balance

[round crown]

Load balancing seems objectively worse

[wicked nacelle]

only if you care about ratios

you can always just overproduce -- those are seperate concepts

[barren current]

the other thing, is that there's lots of potential for trickery with hybrid manifold/balancing,

so for example if I need to split a production of 845 pipes in a ratio of 645:200 pipes another way, I'll say "F it, that's roughly a 3:1 split, as long as I overlow from the direction I've overapproxed to the direction I've under approxed", So I'll build a 4 split 3: 1 splitter and have a downstream overflow, it'll work at 94% efficiency immediately and climbing to 100% when buffers are overflowed

[formal minnow]

you dont even have to overproduce to manifold no?

[neon basalt]

My current area has 4 pure iron nodes, 2 pure copper, 1 pure limestone in the immediate vicinity. Off in the distance ive got 4 normal coal and 1 normal iron node. Should I go towards the desert with everything and start building there for the space and pure nodes?

[sullen gull]

No, you can produce exact amounts

[versed cosmos]

you can produce exactly as much as you need and itll fill out eventually

[whole drum]

No. You just can't underproduce.

[round crown]

Wouldn't that cause clogging

[wicked nacelle]

build where you need to for what you want to build

[versed cosmos]

also attach a storage container at the start to pre fill the whole manifold

[wicked nacelle]

who cares

[neon basalt]

Steel prodution and coal gen power grid

[heavy pine]

Slap a smart splitter at one end with the overflow going into an AWESOME sink.

[formal minnow]

if you mean some machines filling up completely, thats the point

[round crown]

I care, everything should be smooth

[wicked nacelle]

I'd probably build somewhere else and save that patch for when you can actually use it. but do whatever 🙂

[whole drum]

The first overflow into DD, the 2nd into SINK

[versed cosmos]

AGREED i hate machines turning on and off

[round crown]

Wouldn't it still back up because you are producing more resources then the belt can handle

[round crown]

No the belt clogging

[twilit peak]

The shift to rocket fuel power has been a success

[round crown]

Like in a suhi

[whole drum]

You will always overproduce in the long run. That's why you sink stuff.

[formal minnow]

i dont get any belt clogging with manifolds

[heavy pine]

I've got a blueprint with a smart splitter connected to a sink and industrial storage, with the top output of the storage box feeding into a depot.

[whole drum]

Don't run sushi 🙂

[barren current]

bit of nitrogen, bit of limestone, bit of iron. It's TOTALLY WORTH IT. Much easier to upgrade from Turbo -> Rocket than the upgrade from Fuel -> turbo was. Congrats :)

[formal minnow]

i run sushi specifically for my storage, just because smart splitter sorting is really satisfying

[whole drum]

Exactly. Just make sure the DD gets a crack at it before it goes to SINK.

[sullen gull]

Limestone?

[wicked nacelle]

yes it is grotesquely powerful - buffed crazy in 1.0 for people who couldn't figure out nuclear

[heavy pine]

Smart splitter is set to output everything to the storage container and overflow to the sink.

[twilit peak]

Using heavy oil residue, diluted fuel and nitro rocket fuel

[versed cosmos]

HOR, diluted, and nitro is so easy to do too

the numbers just work so well

[twilit peak]

Now i'm gonna cover the crater in fuel gens

[wicked nacelle]

?? You HAVE to have clogged belts -- that's how it works. manifolds are built around that behavior

[barren current]

whoops, I mean water

[round crown]

Sure vut ideally you should avoid it. If ur math is correct it should only clog when everything is full. But if your using mk5 belts. While bring in more then 780 resources a min. Its gonna clog and back up

[sullen gull]

Tbf, the only ones "clogged" should be the ones going directly to the machine...

[formal minnow]

i mean visually theres not much
at least with single lines of constructors where the belts to the constructors are like 2m in length

[sullen gull]

Or a bit of iron for nitric acid 🙂

[barren current]

here I am adding concrete into my fuel mix, no wonder that engine is knocking

[wicked nacelle]

I like to point out when people think they're so 'pure' -- when they're not 😛

[round crown]

I don't think yall are getting what I mean,maybe im explaining it wrong

[sullen gull]

I don't follow?

[whole drum]

Overproducing is a function of your production rate over time--eventually it gets full because the miners aren't tapping limited ore supplies. They run indefinitely.

[wicked nacelle]

"my belts don't clog"

[sullen gull]

Oh, lol

[twilit peak]

Thing is working so well belts aren't getting clogged?

[barren current]

Ionized fuel, on the other hand, looks like a complete bitch xD

[wicked nacelle]

honestly I really dont' care what made up rules you want to play with - as long as you're having fun within those constraints that's all that matters.

[wicked nacelle]

but you don't need much. You can grab 20 stacks of shards put 'em in a box and be done for the whole game

[whole drum]

The only way you stop the belts clogging is sinking the excess

[formal minnow]

everyone gives up on load balancing eventually

[round crown]

Well assuming everything gets full eventually you'll clog(sink avoids this but if ur loading more then 780 resources a min on a mk5 belt. You are bring it more resources then the belt can handle. Therefore slowing it down

Right?

[whole drum]

Nobody is suggesting that you put too much throughput on the belt

[formal minnow]

just dont bring more than a belt can handle?

[round crown]

Wdym made up rules

[whole drum]

We're talking about balancing vs manifold

[wicked nacelle]

"belts not clogging" "machines running all the time" "things not clipping"

[whole drum]

And how manifold relies on the machines filling up, then the belts filling up, to begin filling the next machine in the sequence

[round crown]

Well yea that was my main point, you shouldn't overproduce because then ur bring in too much

[barren current]

I perfectly balanced a belt spider all the way to early access update 5 / end of T4 as it as. Only fluids were allowed to overflow. And yes, then I gave up on perfect balance and life was better xD

[round crown]

Manifold is the way I feel like you naturally play

[wicked nacelle]

no you bring in exactly the right amount - that's how manifolds work

[bitter lodge]

Load balance vs manifold. Biggest difference is full 100% time.

[round crown]

Thats....kinda what I said

[bitter lodge]

Yes manifold takes longer, but its also a lot more compact.

[sullen gull]

No.

[round crown]

At the end of the day ur machine are always full

[formal minnow]

if youre overproducing itll just backlog, unless youre running sushi its not a problem

[versed cosmos]

you can also just stick a container at the start of the manifold to pre fill it

[whole drum]

The difference in uptime is miniscule over the course of a playthrough

[round crown]

So it shouldn't actually impact the efficiency

[formal minnow]

yeah

[wicked nacelle]

yep and if you consider the machines at 0% while you're computing ratios and building the damn load balancer -- you're at a WAY higher % with a manifold most of the time

[bitter lodge]

personally I prefer manifold.

[barren current]

that's an interesting tip I've never considered. So basically, I can just slug hunt my way to victory through ionized fuel?

[whole drum]

This game encourages it

[bitter lodge]

I have no issue letting my machines cap on resources, and my belts completely fill before kicking my factory off.

Plus it takes way less space then me trying to do like a 1-20 split

[barren current]

you know, it's not even perfect split unless the belt distances are exactly even anyway xD gotta get those machines stamping in sync

[formal minnow]

i think theres an argument for stuff like stators for motors and MFs for HMFs taking forever, but then again you can just bring some from home to manually fill the inputs

[sullen gull]

Tbf, the Net gain from ionized is kind of crap. Usually I just have a small setup to make a container full for the jetpack and stick to RF or Nuke

[bitter lodge]

Eventually. it will all fill :)

once they are all full, its all perfectly balanced with manifold

[formal minnow]

i hate waiting for stuff to start up so i just bring a couple extra stacks to shove in

[heavy pine]

TIL that you can fill the machines in a blueprint and they'll be full when you plop down the blueprint.

[bitter lodge]

I like doing manifolds for factories I plan to expand as well.

[round crown]

Isn't load balancing just objectively worse. It has way too many draw backs for a small difference

[bitter lodge]

Like right now, I got 10 refineries, but I know once I bring another 2k baux, I need another 10 refineries

[whole drum]

For this game, for most things, yes

[wicked nacelle]

that's true but then if you don't have the stuff you can't build the blueprint, so it's not always great. I like it for things like packaged diluted fuel -- you can put in 50 empty containers in the blueprint

[heavy pine]

Like I knew you could do it with fuel for biomass burners but didn't think to do it with normal crafting stuff.

[bitter lodge]

technically load balance will kick all your machines off at the same time.

[wicked nacelle]

technically it won't

[formal minnow]

this is peak but i never actually use blueprints lol
i do a stupid amount of manual placing

[bitter lodge]

how come?

[sullen gull]

But, you obviously need those items avaliable for that to work. Tried that once with a biofuel 5x5 bp, already filled with solid bio..... was great in throry 😛

[round crown]

My one issue with manifolds is that its more resources intensive.

[wicked nacelle]

well, not unless you actually REALLY measured out the length of the belts

[round crown]

Twin

[wicked nacelle]

because the items still flow in an order. so one machine will get the items first (almost certainly) -- but definitely closer to "the same time" than a long manifold which is logarithmic distribution

[formal minnow]

oh no the resource i am producing an infinite amount of is sitting around in the input of a machine!

[whole drum]

People usually build with enough symmetry that belt length isn't consequential

[bitter lodge]

if I have 5 smelters and dump 20 ore into all of them from 100 belt...they should all start and cook evenly?

[whole drum]

Belt length matters more if the balancer is complex tho

[round crown]

Isn't the point equal distribution? So everything should run the same

[sullen gull]

I am a hudge advocate of making a blueprint of each machine, with splitters/mergers/junctions already added. It saves SO much time in the long run.

[barren current]

but the first item on the belt will arrive earlier than the second, so unless you slightly staggered your conveyor lengths to account for this nonsense, then you can't sync the machines with a load balancer.

[heavy pine]

I use that to fuel an AWESOME sink for portable cleanup. And to power up drop pods when they're not near my main grid.

[whole drum]

At an even rate, but not necessarily in sync

[wicked nacelle]

the statement was that they'd START at the same time. that was all I was talking about

[round crown]

I mean with the ammount produced. Esp if you're using a sushi

[wicked nacelle]

and no, they almost certainly won't start at exactly the same time

[whole drum]

He's being excessively pedantic 😉

[sullen gull]

Yeah, and I also have one for a "powered" cannon 😛

[wicked nacelle]

yes I am

[bitter lodge]

I like using sushi at the end of a factory :>

then using smart splitters to depot

[whole drum]

I was following you tho

[wicked nacelle]

But the original statement I responded to said "technically they start at the same time" or something similar. If the "technically" hadn't been there I would have let it go 🙂

[whole drum]

I know

[barren current]

if you are talking to someone advocating perfect splits, then you CANT be too pedantic. They started it xD

[whole drum]

lol

[gentle lion]

Radio Tower tomorrow now that I have hmf and comps getting built

[primal obsidian]

ahhhhh too many logistic wahhh

so many steps

[round crown]

See I use sushi for my storage. Thats it. But im trying to maximize resource management so I don't want to pull in more 780 resources BUT maybe overproducing and backing it up would be better

[whole drum]

I wish I could get the kids to play this, but they like Roblox and Micraft 🙄

Would surely help their intuitive understanding of math

[formal minnow]

honestly load balance if you want its a fun logistics puzzle to build like 4:11 or something

[wicked nacelle]

minecraft has WAAAAY more advanced math like a billion times more advanced

[round crown]

It would help them LIKE math

[barren current]

oh legit, load balancing is a totally fun puzzle.

[round crown]

Not really

[whole drum]

Not the way they play

[bitter lodge]

Depends where you over produce I guess.
Cause like a manifold will work with the perfect amount needed. If you need 100 ore/min in 5 smelters, you can manifold it. They will all run at 100%

[wicked nacelle]

YES really. redstone is turing complete

[wicked nacelle]

fair enough

[round crown]

Ur assuming they're using Redstone like that

[gentle lion]

I've been watching gaming with doc , he explains stuff very well , he's gotta be a real engineer , Math guy

[whole drum]

I don't know enough about it to say whether the game itself does(n't), but they play with a lot of mods, creative mode, inf resources, etc

[primal obsidian]

regretting trying to make a really tall factory there is not enough space on a 10x10 grid

and im already 3 floors in so i cant restart

[wicked nacelle]

I'm just saying the option is there. The math in satisfactory is embarassingly basic. It's actually scary how many people can't figure out a word problem of "THING produces X per minute. OTHERTHING uess Y per minute. How many OTHERTHING should I build?"

[whole drum]

Make it 20x20 and you can do most things

[bitter lodge]

just make it 100x100 :>

[round crown]

Well if every smelter is 30 per min then I meed 26 for a full belt. In THEORY 780 resources exactly should work. But I might need to overproduce

[barren current]

Fun with perfect splits: one fun result is that with only a 3 splitter wide setup, it's possible to build a 1 input to 2 -output splitter of any denominator with factor 3^(max 2) x 2^n. SEE FUN. e.g. split 72 by 15 to 57.

[primal obsidian]

dismantling 3 floors seems like more effort then just making a factory

[gentle lion]

I made a blueprint of 5x5 foundation lol just keep slapping that down

[bitter lodge]

what.

[round crown]

I think you are underestimating how complicated this game can get and overestimating the average mathematical intelligence. If it was so simple. People wouldn't get frustrated

[round crown]

Its hard to explain, but basically I should be only producing exactly 780

But I might need to overproduce

[limpid inlet]

How do Hypertube speeds work

[whole drum]

Enter tube, go fast

[gentle lion]

Make too much and sink the overflow

[bitter lodge]

So you want to produce exactly 780 of a raw resource?

That is very easy to do

[whole drum]

Or 780 of mixed products to auto-sort via sushi belt?

[barren current]

like compared to the world of real engineering, I can tell you that a lot more care, attention and applied maths goes on getting satisfactory factories efficient and working than actual factoreis.

[bitter lodge]

Look up hypercannon :)

[gentle lion]

Now that I have mk4 belts I realize I want mk5...😂

[bitter lodge]

then you want mk6

[whole drum]

So make Mk5, then long for Mk6

[bitter lodge]

mk6 is the highest right?

[compact flicker]

The hypertube entrance gives you a flat speed increase, which is why hypertube cannons work.

[bitter lodge]

its like 1k+ items?

[primal obsidian]

yeah

[compact flicker]

1.2k

[primal obsidian]

1200/min

[gentle lion]

I gotta make elevator parts , I did the 2500 framework

[bitter lodge]

I could do so much with mk3 miner and mk6 belts.

[compact flicker]

Mk3 on a pure node fills a mk6 belt :3

[round crown]

It is but woukd it be less efficient then simply overflowing

[bitter lodge]

Don't be afraid to make elevator parts at like 5-10/min or even less.
Plenty of exploring to do

[gentle lion]

I don't know if I even have the resources for the last 2 parts

[bitter lodge]

you want like perfect balance o,o?

[whole drum]

Make a belt that caps out on sinking Warp Drives

[round crown]

This is what I want long term. I want every resource made and then going into a sushi. But I don't want it to clog

[primal obsidian]

what

[barren current]

they should pin this comment. It's the satisfactory equivalent of "turn it off and on again"

[round crown]

Yea but with how manifolds work,would one of them never get enough resources?

[primal obsidian]

i smell burning i think i should turn off global illumination

[gentle lion]

Yeah 3zploring will e Eaiser tomorrow I'm getting the radio Tower

[round crown]

It might seem dumb but theres SO MANY FACTORS HERE

[ebon cave]

Will I get hit by the little spiders if I’m on top of a port miner

[bitter lodge]

Negative.
Manifold systems eventually backlog to the point that the machines will always get enough resources to keep producing at 100% as long as you are providing the bare minimum amount for all the machines attached to the manifold.

[whole drum]

Trying to sushi into a manifold sounds like a terrible idea. I was saying that you create a bunch of stuff that outputs onto a sushi that then self-sorts into storage and sinks overflow

[bitter lodge]

hoverpack + tier 1 poles. Easiest explore ever.

[plain gate]

think of it thermodynamically, there is a constant output and an equivalent input, and conveyors don't eat items

each machine MUST get items

[round crown]

Yea I uh tried a sushi manifold. One of my machines never get wire

[primal obsidian]

sushi belts have done nothing but shut down my nuclear waste managment plant so i dont think im using them right

[bitter lodge]

sushi manifold is a bit weird

[round crown]

So even if its exact. It will back log at some point

[bitter lodge]

Yes!

[whole drum]

Exactly. The ratios have to be super precise (and probably pre-balanced) to even maybe work.

[barren current]

one thing you may not be bearing in mind, is that machines have a ramp in and shutdown timer. So even the last machine on a perfectly balanced manifold will evenually reach overflow. They don't instantly use resources at full rate of consumption as soon as they available, so there's some ammount of slack in the system to allow filling in.

[round crown]

@bitter lodge btw did you ever fix your trains

[bitter lodge]

.....so anyways.

[plain gate]

no...? unless you try to put more than 1200 into a system in which case go self-lobotimize

[bitter lodge]

Manifolds are cool.

[round crown]

You still haven't huh

[bitter lodge]

I haven't even been on satisfactory today. I got off work recently x-x. I will be getting on tonight and playing around with the trains.

[plain gate]

even at max belt capacity the theoretical backlog is one item every few hundered hours, and that is if you have fractional machine ratios

[bitter lodge]

The struggle of adulting.

[round crown]

But then that defeats the purpose of a manifold? Manifolds are supposed to backlog

[round crown]

Real

I get off in an hour

[plain gate]

not backlog through the input of the manifold, each machine input yes so that it gets evenly distributed

[whole drum]

I think you misunderstand what was meant by that

[dense violet]

Still up for helping you in a #1038092680493801533 post 🙂

[plain gate]

if you look at the inflow of items it should always be flowing

[bitter lodge]

Once I get on and reconfigure them some more.

[round crown]

I think so

[whole drum]

The main line of a manifold isn't intended to back up. The feeder lines into the machines are.

[dense violet]

is this sill the sushi belt backign up?

[round crown]

No

[dense violet]

ah ok good 🙂

[round crown]

I fixed that

[bitter lodge]

Question for ye.
What is the difference between belting 2 600 belts into 2 cargo pick ups. vs 2 600 belts into 1 cargo pick up?

actually, I realize my answer. More resources can be picked up if the first cargo fills up with the two belts.

[round crown]

So let's say im trying to make 780 iron ingots. Thats 30 per machine for 26 machines. The iron ore coming in is exactly 780 per min as well. Would it be better to overproduce the ore. Or would everything still backlog as intended

And if I was to make more then 780, I'd just add a new belt line

Because any added machine would never get enough resources right?

[whole drum]

If the needed throughput matches the draw exactly, you don't need to overproduce. It will eventually fill up.

Yes

Unless you upgrade the belt

[round crown]

Yes to the second question? Gotcha

Thabks

[primal obsidian]

if i have 100% efficiency setup will backlog ever clear up?

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch train throughput

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=train+throughput

[wicked nacelle]

you're limited to a certain % of 2 belts worth of throughput per freight station depending on stack size

[strong fiber]

How am i supposed to make a manufacturer blueprint

[wicked nacelle]

this only lists it for 1200 belts, but you can just figure out what % of 2400 that is and apply it to whatever belt you're using

[wicked nacelle]

put it in a blueprint machine?

[whole drum]

Not for most of the machines. The last couple machines won't fully back up their feeds.

[primal obsidian]

ok good

[strong fiber]

How am i supposed to set the splitters up tho ?

[wicked nacelle]

what size blueprint machine areyou trying to use?

[bitter lodge]

what would that formula be?

[limpid inlet]

Are hypertubes the only way to quickly and efficiently reach other factories?

[wicked nacelle]

for 500 stack you see its' 2247.83 so divide that by 2 belts -- 2400. that's the % you get

[wicked nacelle]

hypertube CANNONs are the best way to move around the map quickly

[primal obsidian]

theyre the best by A LOT

but there are other ways like trains

[limpid inlet]

That sucks since I can't figure them out at all 💀

[primal obsidian]

search up tutorial on youtube should be easy enough

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1448137197302714528/image.png?ex=693a2a5c&is=6938d8dc&hm=93bc9adb4f4ff0015bffdfcbd4b116301300392d752c70f83a274556a1ceffdc& there's tons of room even with 5x5

[dense violet]

Ok so 2 belts into 2 platforms is more realistic as you can't really belt more than 1 full belt per platform.

this is due to travel times and lockouts while loading and unloading

[bitter lodge]

Look up a tutorial for a hypercannon, make it in a blueprint. Easy cannon anytime

[primal obsidian]

yeah thats what i did

[dense violet]

but if you really want to talk trains it should be in a #1038092680493801533 or #math-and-meta where it's quieter

[bitter lodge]

twas just one question :>

[wicked nacelle]

don't listen to cobalt -- his math sucks and you're fine to ask here

the wiki's math is correct

[primal obsidian]

i love trains but im also bad at signaling

[strong fiber]

Am i supposed to use conveyor lifts

[primal obsidian]

trains dont love me back

[bitter lodge]

but his suggestion of belt per cargo pick up is a really good one

[wicked nacelle]

you can. I don't know how you want to set it up but there's plenty of ways to make it work

[dense violet]

no stress 🙂 But yeah I think with mk5 belts the absolute maximum 1 platform can move pm is like 1250~ or so but that is in extreme circumstances that you're very unlikely to have

[wicked nacelle]

if you don't want to maximize throughput then it's safe. but you can do SIGNIFICANTLY better

[strong fiber]

Im using lifts for my assemblers

[bitter lodge]

Ima be honest. You stress me the fuck out.

[dense violet]

they are an extremely salty person

[wicked nacelle]

that's why I linked the wiki that shows you can get 1.87 belts worth of trhoughput for 500-stack items

[dense violet]

salt causes high blood pressure. Like stress

[wicked nacelle]

so saying "you can't reliably get more than one belt" is just plain wrong.

[dense violet]

Or it's possible because I have all this rent free space in their head they don't like

[bitter lodge]

Minimum is 1083 at 50 stack size
1494 is max with 500 stack size

[wicked nacelle]

actually with slower belts I think you get higher % -- because the amount of lockout time is actually a lower %

[strong fiber]

Only thing i plan on using trains for is really long distance item travel and exporting crafted items to my base

Also? When should i start thinking about a main base location

[pseudo pendant]

I’m not at an early stage of phase 4, how much of each thing would you guys say I should be producing of each thing?

[dense violet]

mk5 or mk6? that seems off from whats been historically spoken of

[bitter lodge]

I am doing a baux into alum ingot factory, so I am using a train to start, so I can easily expand

[bitter lodge]

mk5. I am broke bitch hours.

[strong fiber]

I got mk 4 bru

[feral otter]

day 9 hard drive got me stitched iron plates thank you lord

[bitter lodge]

you on that broke broke

[whole drum]

At the very beginning when you still have to pull resources manually. Once you have your DDs going, a "main base" becomes a nebulous concept.

[strong fiber]

fr i dont even got a single manufacturer in my world yet bru

[strong fiber]

well i make one in all the games i play.:(

[wicked nacelle]

okay?

[bitter lodge]

Alum is for mk5 belts ;)

which honestly, isn't even that hard. just use alt recipes LMAO

it makes it so much easier

[whole drum]

You totally can. You just don't "need" to after a certain point.

[dense violet]

hmm ok maybe people were talking about hte 100 stacks thenas it would be odd to move things like wire and screws

[strong fiber]

ok

[dense violet]

but you do need very specific time tables to achieve that max throughputs of each stack

like the rtd of 100 stacks to get even 1278 is 150 seconds, and that will include 2x27 seconds loading

[whole drum]

If you still want a main base, I would think about what kind of scenery you want to go with it

The blue crater lakes on the mountain is one of my personal favs, but spire coast is nice too

[wicked nacelle]

you don't need fancy timetables. You just set the trains to fully unload and you get max throughput if you always just have enough or excess coming in. You don't have to like.. time them out.

[strong fiber]

Is there a way to automate silica production at phase 3

[whole drum]

Yes, you do Mam research

[bitter lodge]

quartz node into constructor

[strong fiber]

I just want my windows bruh

[whole drum]

I don't blame you. Glass is my fav foundation.

[dense violet]

I just wish it didn't have such glare

[hard stump]

No good way to get a recipe you want is there’s saw one for screws and sadly passed on it but a build I want would be nice to have and I’m on Xbox

[whole drum]

Find more drives

[hard stump]

Have been just went there 8 then eating 80 minutes total why I asked cuz each drive takes 10 mins

[wicked nacelle]

you can still save scum on xbox I assume. save then reroll a hard drive and if it's not what you want reload and reroll it again

[whole drum]

Scan 5-6 drives without rescanning any, then save. Then rescan until you get what you want.

Load if it doesn't

[hard stump]

Wait so want to make sure I understand correctly
Your saying scan the drive re roll it and if it’s not what I wanted quiet and when I load back in I can re roll?

[whole drum]

Save the rerolls, then do a hard save

[wicked nacelle]

right when the drive finishes researching and it's not what you want -- save then. Then reroll. if it's still not it, reload and re-reroll

[whole drum]

That way you can rescan a few at a time

[wicked nacelle]

each reroll is random -- not predetermined

[whole drum]

Yes

[hard stump]

That’s good to know

[wicked nacelle]

but the initial research is determined when you hit "scan" (i.e. 10 minutes ago) so saving 1s before it finishes doesn't help

[whole drum]

It's cheesy as hell and I don't generally do it--but if you really can't live without a certain recipe, you can do it

This is why I suggest banking a few rescans before you save. Saves a bunch of loading.

[wicked nacelle]

and on PC there are better options anyhow... but on console it's the only option to facilitate getting it sooner 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

that's true but super early game the number of hard drives you have access to is pretty limited.

[whole drum]

Yeah, but it's not too hard to get 5-6

[wicked nacelle]

with a map, no. Without a map, yes 🙂

fortunately console users can still look at scim even if they can't load their save

[whole drum]

Either way. You can use object scanner.

[wicked nacelle]

hard drive object scanner isn't available for a while I thought

100 × Crystal Oscillator

[whole drum]

I'd have to double check. I mean, I generally just look around for bright orange blocks with smoke coming out--not that hard still.

[wicked nacelle]

without jetpack you're going to be fortnighting a lot to look for things... so I guess it depends whwere he is in the tech tree 🙂 I figured looking for a screw recipe pretty early but maybe not

[whole drum]

I generally do my first bout of exploration once I have rebar, parachute, and ladders

[stoic steeple]

I'm on PC. Do you think that I should just unlock all the alt recipes in a save editor?

[wicked nacelle]

oh I always forget that ladders are a thing

[wicked nacelle]

if that makes you happy then go for it 🙂

[whole drum]

Yeah, just build a sky-ladder in your base and you can glide really far--and see crashes easily from the sky

[dense violet]

I mean if yo uwant. There's advanced game settings too that do it

but hard drives are part of exploring and gathering things too

[wicked nacelle]

using SCIM to unlock them doesn't stop you from getting achievements if you still need any of them

I'd suggest playing through once "as intended" but on subsequent playthroughs it's just unnecessary pain IMHO

[stoic steeple]

Yeah at that point I probably should just fully upgrade the Dimensional Depots as well. I already have all the recipes through phase 3 in my HDD library. And like 6 drives in storage as well. So I can just pick what I need

[wicked nacelle]

may as well give you a few thousand sloops too 🙂

[stoic steeple]

Maybe I should just unlock everything lololol

[wicked nacelle]

you could just take someone else's save and say you're done 🙂

[dense violet]

is this your first play through? if it is I'd probably just go through it normally

[analog venture]

I've been playing since like update 3.... and I just, for the first time, beat the game.... and suddenly I feel so empty

[stoic steeple]

Yeah it is. I was just going to finish the game normally, get all the achievements and then start a second playthrough with maybe some mods some advanced game settings turned on.

[dense violet]

yeah my advice? go through the steps. Plus imo the exploration is fun and you have to do stuff while your factories are making things anyway right?

[stoic steeple]

I'm 90 hours in, and I still haven't automated either modular engines or adaptive control units, but I'm having a blast. I'm building a factory that produces 480 of both rubber and plastic p/min and 18 GW of power.

I enjoy exploring

[wicked nacelle]

it's common to not automate elevator parts

[dense violet]

yeah for me it's post phases sandbox that gets me, making your own weird projects

I did love the exploration though. But after having gone over the whole map like 5 times you know everything xD

[stoic steeple]

Really? If I end up just hand feeding elevator parts, that might change the way I'm playing rn

[bitter lodge]

before I make the help forum thingy. I need to actually see if my train throughput is lacking. I gotta make the factory first....

[stoic steeple]

Maybe I'll just set up production for all of the different parts and then set up a bunch of manufacturers with storage containers hooked up and throw all the different parts needed. Is that a good strategy?

[bitter lodge]

also, how does one use a vip? or even set it up? cause I gotta recyle 1200 water....

[dense violet]

well another way to see if your throughput is lacking is if your producers are clogged up

[dense violet]

the easy way? you don't. You keep fresh and waste water split

[bitter lodge]

one sec. ima show you my current factory.

#screenshots

[frail sleet]

you exploit one of several fluid flow bugs

[whole drum]

Use it for pure copper 🙂

[frail sleet]

otherwise, VIP fluid doesn't exist (other than packaging, sorting, then unpackaging)

[bitter lodge]

how I do get rid of 1200 excess water?

[dense violet]

bauxite? reuse it in the system is the simplest usually

[bitter lodge]

that isn't a bad idea....

[dense violet]

blue is fresh, red is waste https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1347741162018046083/1347747308623892551/image.png?ex=693a227e&is=6938d0fe&hm=fc84e3dcb3a5d8e22d8d24b05f6ce8de0a9192d5939635f1d15e5fd03a519862&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[abstract heron]

Just thinking how to make manufacters

and thinking how they look

[bitter lodge]

hella little fresh

[stoic steeple]

Wet concrete alt and sinking it is one option. You send what you can to storage and use a smart splitter to send the rest to a sink

[dense violet]

depends on the recipes you use 🙂
it does mean you need to pump a lot less fresh water in

[bitter lodge]

I did that for my starter alum factory.

but this is for 1.2k water.

[dense violet]

yup, that's why you reuse it in the system and pump less fresh water in

[bitter lodge]

according to tools, only need to pump in 800

[dense violet]

sounds lke you could make 2 groups that pump 400 each back in 🙂

[bitter lodge]

huh?

[dense violet]

oh that was the frseh water. yeah 2 groups of 400 fresh water

[bitter lodge]

fresh 800. 1.2k recyle.

[dense violet]

sounds reasonable , these are the ratio examples for all the combinations https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1286300794311938099/1286343954157277307/alum_options.png?ex=69398da9&is=69383c29&hm=9100fc93288c7745be3ee80fecd3705ec855ff0be7d724a1806efde451990906&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=934&height=1320

you don't have to have the layouts exactly like that, just for clear diagrams

[compact flicker]

Didn't occur to me that having several manifolds in a row might make my machines take a few minutes to sort themselves out

A manifold manifold if you will

[bitter lodge]

Mhm! I should really just let my trains fuck off, and start making the refineries

then I can test my output of the trains and sort this water thingy out

[dense violet]

either way you want

🙂

[zealous urchin]

tbf any ratio will work bcs u can clock water extractors however u want and its not like ur loosing anything

[bitter lodge]

just worried about backlogging

[last tartan]

they should add decorational train cars like flatbeds or liquid tankers etc etc.

[zealous urchin]

make this double input where one is favored

[last tartan]

it would add more life to the trains:)

[zealous urchin]

set up two fluid buffers

and place valves

set valves to expected value

and shabam
just watch for a while both fluid buffers
if they fluctuate around same number cosntantly then its good

if one rises up or both then its not good

also sink overflow so water wont back up

and its realy it

[bitter lodge]

I understood like 10% of that....

[bitter lodge]

My problem doing this, is that its 1.2k water. That is a lot of raw other resource i would need to consume to sink that much water.

[zealous urchin]

by sinking i meant overflow of aluminium products

[bitter lodge]

@dense violet how uh does one get a nice number to work with out of a train?

cause 780 is a bit of a funky number

[zealous urchin]

its a video game

the truth is what u make it

[limpid inlet]

What is unc talking about

[zealous urchin]

its the version of "its ur decision and there are no optimal solutions in the end"

just how u wanna do things

[dense violet]

as long as it's under the max throughput, it's fine

[wicked nacelle]

As long as you have enough trains your actual train output just matches the amount you’re mining.

[bitter lodge]

No no no

Like 780/200 is weird.

[dense violet]

remember, vehicles will deliver an average throughput.

don't expect counters to stay at 780

[bitter lodge]

do I have to do some weird belt splitting nonsense to get like a solid 600 belt?

[dense violet]

what exactly are you trying to do?
cause it really seems like you're overcomplicating this to the extreme

[bitter lodge]

trying to feed refineries.

they take 200 baux/min

[dense violet]

ok . Are you trying to put that on one platform?

[echo belfry]

My opinion: alumina is bad

[bitter lodge]

huh?

[echo belfry]

Unrelated

[bitter lodge]

I never worked with weird belt inputs like 780, I always do them at like a solid hundred ish

[dense violet]

look - make a post with images and numbers of what youre trying to do. because it just seems like you're flailing wildly w/o actually understanding what you're doing

to help we'll need to go step by step and images. When you're ready for that, ping me

[bitter lodge]

[zealous urchin]

u dont need to fill all of the belt tho

[bitter lodge]

I just want to export from my depot at a rate besides 780 constantly.

[dense violet]

make a post, we can work it through step by step

this is acomplishing nothing and wasting both our times

and just making you more frustrated apparently

[zealous urchin]

idk why 780 exactly

[whole drum]

Alternatively, just build a train delivery to a factory that has everything else you need and it builds what it builds, and we don't worry about how much or how fast. 😄

[zealous urchin]

solid advice

[bitter lodge]

so uh #1038092680493801533 can't post the thingy!?

[dense violet]

you probalby need to add a flair

[bitter lodge]

a what?

[dense violet]

#screenshots message

[bitter lodge]

even discord fucking hates me

it won't do the post thingy.

[kindred crater]

Finally getting into nuclear power

Any tips(especially in regards to radiation management)?

[dense violet]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1448157102966182049

[white dawn]

Radiation management isn't bad -- Iodine filter usage caps out at 5/min, so if you automate that much, you'd be able to spend literally the rest of your game with radioactive material in your inventory and never take damage (so long as you remember to replenish your filters occasionally)

In practice you could presumably automate quite a bit less, since you're not always gonna be standing near radiation

(But it's already a pretty small factory to do 5/min, so eh)

If you want to minimize ambient radiation around your nuclear production site, remember that you can load-balance buildings instead of using manifolds, just so material doesn't stack up

Though even if you let it stack up, a single stack isn't gonna be awful

[kindred crater]

Ive been thinking of extracting uranium, droning it somewhere else to make fuel rods, then drone the rods to the power plant, then drone the spent fuel somewhere else- is that going to work fine?

[white dawn]

The four production options are: 1) store Uranium waste forever, 2) Sink Plutonium Rods (a "clean" option), 3) store Plutonium waste forever, 4) Burn Ficsonium rods (a "clean" option; quite expensive resourcewise, though)

[white dawn]

Sure, should work fine

[kindred crater]

Okay, Thank you!

[white dawn]

Note that Uranium waste does accumulate quite a bit more quickly than Plutonium waste; options 2 or 3 tend to be the sweet spot for most folks, nuclearwise

If you do just start out with Uranium, you might want to at least plan to introduce an extra Plutonium refinement step in the future. :)

[zealous urchin]

does plutonium rod still works as fuel for air drones?

[exotic swift]

yo, so im making my first coal generator thingie and uh, how do i jump start it?

[whole drum]

Bio burners

Or hand feed some coal into it

[round crown]

Couldn't you also mine a stack of coal

[whole drum]

If the water is powered

[round crown]

There we go

[whole drum]

Bio usually just easier

Once they turn on, they stay self-sufficient

And the bio just go into standby

[silk ocean]

Install battery storage when you can so that exceedances don't cause trips (as long as there is charge in the batteries)

[whole drum]

Nah, just don't over-build. Keep an eye on power.

[exotic swift]

whenever i try booting up the water extractors, it turns right off

[whole drum]

Then set up priority switches when you unlock them

[whole drum]

It usually takes a few burners

They don't have much output

But they only need to be on for a few seconds

[silk ocean]

No harm in a battery array just in case, beats tripping off parts of your factory if it's just a transient

[whole drum]

I've set up batteries before--but I've never used them

[silk ocean]

Shouldn't have to if you plan and manage power properly. Anyway, just sayin'

[zealous urchin]

imagine if we could sink power for coupons

[whole drum]

Yeah, that's all I'm saying

[last tartan]

this is the first game i've played that actually has good train horn sounds

[silk ocean]

They're not bad yea

Although on auto they only do one little honk leaving the station xD

Probably would be a bit annoying when crossing all of my path intersections around the network

[formal minnow]

i like trains :3

[silk ocean]

Currently running 80 of them on my global network xD

Must...add....moar....

[formal minnow]

oh hey trucks are more fuel efficient than tractors?

never noticed that before

[silk ocean]

Carry a lot more yea

[formal minnow]

no i mean fuel usage

[silk ocean]

Efficiency-wise, fuel per stack, would have to check the wiki

[formal minnow]

probably max throughput too but i rarely ever run into that

[wicked nacelle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Truck#Fuel_consumption - click "expand" and the table actually has a bunch of different things in it for fuel use

basically everything that uses fuel and how much it uses

[formal minnow]

yeah theyre like 30%-40% more efficient

[wicked nacelle]

and per stack the truck is WAY more efficient by having almost 2x the inventory

[formal minnow]

wait thats backwards theyre less efficient

[wicked nacelle]

at the cost of onlysomewhat more fuel -- like 33% more

[formal minnow]

it being measured in seconds per item instead of items per minute really throws me off

[stray inlet]

trying to make a 1 click factroy any tips?

[wicked nacelle]

yes a longer burn time is better

[wicked nacelle]

I don't know what that means

[formal minnow]

why the hell would you rven run trucks, by the time you have them you have trains for anything that needs more throughput than a tractor

[stray inlet]

pretty much a really compact factory that u build on a blueprint

[wicked nacelle]

yeah there's really no reason other than if you specifically want to use them regardless of them being good

[pseudo pendant]

Is there a mod that shows all the somersloops, spheres etc you haven’t found yet on the map? I wanna go get them all but not too fussed on having to look at the online and updating it with my game file to see where I need to go

[wicked nacelle]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[formal minnow]

top 5 reasons to run trucks
1: the american dream

[wicked nacelle]

click the dashed box in the upper right corner and pick your save file

[pseudo pendant]

I’m aware of that

I’m asking if there’s a mod to do a similar thing in game

[wicked nacelle]

I doubt anyone would make that since it's in SCIM but I don't know for sure

[exotic swift]

so after i jump start it, can they literally just power themselves just with a few power poles?

[white dawn]

Trucks are kind of a hard sell, for sure. I'm quite fond of vehicle logistics in the game, but I rarely feel like I need more than just the tractors

[pseudo pendant]

Fair enough, thought it might just be a nice qol though

[whole drum]

As long as the coal gens are powering the coal miner and water extractors, yes

[white dawn]

They've still got the benefit over trains of needing very little infrastructure to support, so there's that

[wicked nacelle]

it has to be something that someone would be bothered enough by to make a mod though.. and with scim most people would just be happy with it

[exotic swift]

sounds good!!

[pseudo pendant]

They do definitely add some life

[white dawn]

(So long as you're willing to just use the map's natural roads instead of building your own)

[formal minnow]

fueling is still a whole thing

also trucks struggle with terrain

[white dawn]

Yeah, not much of one, though. I've never struggled with fuelling tractors, at least

[wicked nacelle]

you still have to drive the route and honestly that's not necessarily easier than laying rail. Yeah if you mess up you have to start the process again

whereas you can just tweak the rail if you mess up - you don't have to start over

[white dawn]

Eh, I've recovered many a route-record screwup in the past. Being able to trim the route afterwards can be quite handy

[wicked nacelle]

if you get stuck on terrain though

[pseudo pendant]

I couldn’t imagine the pain of messing up if you couldn’t dismantle in blueprint mode

[white dawn]

Anyway, as I say, I agree that the Truck is kind of a hard sell

[pseudo pendant]

Especially if it’s an actually detailed/decorated track

[white dawn]

It's in a bit of a weird spot unlockwise, compared to trains

Tractors on the other hand I will defend with my dying breath! ❤️

[wicked nacelle]

and you can't reuse your paths from other vehicles so it's not just a straight upgrade

[white dawn]

And you can always just add more tractors to the same route if you need more throughput

[wicked nacelle]

if you could just say "hey use a truck now and just get 2x throughput on your tractor route" it would be a better upgrade

[white dawn]

Yeah, agreed

[hearty wind]

So do we think satisfactory calculator is cheating?

[white dawn]

The better question is: do you care if you're cheating, on your singleplayer game? :)

[versed cosmos]

It's a singleplayer game man cheating is however you define it

[wicked nacelle]

IF your path is safe for more than one vehicle -- many natural roads are only "one lane" and the easiest way doesn't allow multiples

[white dawn]

(Personally, yeah, I think it (and solvers/planners) are sort of cheating, though I've personally never cared)

[wicked nacelle]

it's up to you. whatever rules make it fun for you are your best rules 🙂

[versed cosmos]

There's no getting an unfair advantage over someone else and negatively impacting their experience like there would be in a multiplayer game

So "cheating" would be up to you

[whole drum]

I wish you could tell trucks/tractors to go from station A to B, it would calculate the shortest smooth route, and just go. Having some decent pathfinding for them would be absolutely HUGE qol

[white dawn]

I'm personally fine calling something "cheating" even in a singleplayer game; for me it's just down to if you personally care that you're cheating. :D

[zealous urchin]

how is planner cheating tho

ik it dsnt matter but whats the logic

[versed cosmos]

Tbh unless you're even more autistic than the average player of this game the planners become necessary

[whole drum]

"Cheating" is a rabbit hole and a half--and largely varies by personal standards and what definition you'll accept

[versed cosmos]

I ain't planning out heavy frames on pencil and paper man

[whole drum]

I have

It's just a little math and ratios

[versed cosmos]

Yeah of course

I wouldn't have figured out that heavy encased frames gets a lot more manageable if you just change the clockspeed without satisfactory tools

The ratios are very weird at 100% clockspeed

3.75/min makes it a lot nicer and let me attach it to my 10/min modular frame factory I already had

[fallow magnet]

Wait tractors are good? Can they transfer like things from a farther away factory over to my main one or one near my main one if I don’t wanna get it myself?

[bitter lodge]

Just like a belt

[formal minnow]

thats just called central storage, keep a container worth of everything you need near your home base

[silk ocean]

I've always viewed vehicles as items "for show" to make a factory look more realistic, rather than particularly useful. Trains are for hauling stuff xD

[formal minnow]

theres a certain distance where tractors are more viable solely because trains are really cumbersome
wide turn radius, really expensive, all that nonsense

[silk ocean]

True, although my max belt distance versus min-train distance leaves a very small window for vehicles, personally

[formal minnow]

i just dont like running belts more than like 300m for framerate reasons

[swift crown]

what is the best way to optimize an assembler line

[formal minnow]

wdym by optimise even

[swift crown]

like make it so it isnt a conveyer belt mess and so it actually makes the things i need

[cosmic adder]

Where do i download mods? Like nexus one doesn't have as much as youtubers said or suggested

[silk ocean]

SMM isn't it

(Satisfactory Mod Manager)

[cosmic adder]

In google?

[silk ocean]

just google that yeah, should be docs.ficsit.app site

I prob can't link it

[cosmic adder]

Thank you

[silk ocean]

I can try...
https://docs.ficsit.app/satisfactory-modding/latest/ForUsers/SatisfactoryModManager.html

Maybe success level has increased

[cosmic adder]

Yep, found it. Thanks, cuz nexus had fev terrible ones. And ive seen some good on YT

[silk ocean]

I haven't modded much myself but pretty sure you'll get better results with SMM, that has always been recommended to me at least

[cosmic adder]

Hmm, okay okay, i wanna make it a bit easier, im playing mostly vanilla too, but seen some cool mods on YT

[silk ocean]

Fingers crossed

[stone python]

def get SMM and handle your mods that way, it is so easy a monkey could do it with 1 hand

[wicked nacelle]

yeah SMM works great

[round crown]

do pipes split evenly

if they go multidirectional

[wicked nacelle]

it depends

unfortunately you'd have to read the fluid manual to really understand the answer given a situation It hink

and I haven't. However, what you can know is that the fluids will end up going where they are wanted -- just like any manifold (except with all the fluid 'gotchas')

[round crown]

what are the fluid "gotchas" follow up question how and what do i use a valve for

[wispy spoke]

how do i remove those poisonous fumes

[round crown]

bombs

[tropic sinew]

Is it just me or do lizard doggos just clip under the map. I had a fenced-off pen with 4 lizard doggos. Now there are 0.

[tropic sinew]

How does fluid work in this game? Short answer: it doesn't

[round crown]

i mean.....they do

[tropic sinew]

No I mean like how does fluid work it doesn't work that kind of thing . . .

[round crown]

ohhhhhhhh

[tropic sinew]

Like, it's the only part of the game you actually have to read the plumbing manual on to understand how to use it properly.

[white dawn]

Vehicles have a strong learning curve for sure, and a lot of folks are turned off by that process. Once you know how to use them effectively, though, they're great for short-to-midrange logistics

I personally really dislike seeing really long belts everywhere, and I love seeing those little sugarcubes trundling about, so my Phase 2 tends to lean into tractors heavily

I'll continue to set up the odd tractor route throughout the rest of the game too, though, as the situation allows

[round crown]

im trying to fiqure out why a pipe won't get any fuel

[white dawn]

Like there's definitely cases for me where the distance just feels too short for either trains or drones, but I still don't want a belt

[round crown]

is connecting all the refinerys that make fuel into one pipeline a bad idea?

[bitter shuttle]

im trying to make a 3:4 balancer and my lord my brain hurts lol

[crimson tartan]

is there a way tto use both controller and mouse at the same time?

[chilly leaf]

How many items per minute do you try to move, all 3 belts combined?
Depending on your best belts and item count it could be as simple as doing 3 to 2 even belts and split those to 4, or merge the overflow of your 3 belts into the 4th

[bitter shuttle]

im moving 480/m with mk4 belts and yes all 3 combined

[whole drum]

It is if the output of your refineries exceeds the capacity of the pipe

[bitter shuttle]

im setting up my buffer for my raw iron train and i've only got 3 pure iron nodes for my 4 cargo wagons

[fiery pewter]

Idk if it works with Satisfactory, but I believe that, if you just plug in both keyboard+mouse and the controller, you could switch instantly

[crimson tartan]

It seems, to me, to only allow one at a time, and you have to go into Options, Controls, every time to switch between them

[fiery pewter]

Well that sucks then

[chilly leaf]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/balancers/detail/index/id/3to4/name/3+to+4

[bitter shuttle]

yeah no i've seen that and it still hurts my brain trying to set it up

[fiery pewter]

I thought like, I have some other games where switching between controller and mouse+keyboard is as simple as pucking up the controller and stopping mouse and keyboard inputs

[fiery pewter]

I have just looked at it for the first time ever and I instantly get it

[bitter shuttle]

instantly get how to make it or unrderstand my peril

[crimson tartan]

yeah, every single other game I have works like that. But SF, once you select Controller, it just disables the mouse and keyboard, even within the menus

[fiery pewter]

How to make

[bitter shuttle]

well good for you then

[chilly leaf]

Since all nodes are giving you the same amount, the easiest is to adjust the number of train cars to the number of nodes. Easy to have 1 or 2 cars per node without need to balance anything

[bitter shuttle]

but all my trains are 1-4!!! :(

new idea; i make my raw material trains 2-8 for the funny

[fiery pewter]

Then you'd have to make a 3 to 8 balancer

Not much easier

[bitter shuttle]

don't ruin my dreams of a massive train

[wicked nacelle]

or just have the train dock twice to the same freight platforms but frmo a different station

like SEEESFFF

[bitter shuttle]

yeah i'll pretend that makes sense

[wicked nacelle]

you'd get the same throughput just the train would only run half as often

if we're doing it for the lulz I mean

[chilly leaf]

2-8 would mean 2 locomotives and 6 cars. Works nicely for your 3 nodes and no need to balance stuff

[bitter shuttle]

i was thinking two locomotives and 8 cars 😔

[wicked nacelle]

as long as you're not going up .. probably more than a 1M ramp

[bitter shuttle]

huh

[wicked nacelle]

actually maybe not even that if it got stopped on the hill

[fiery pewter]

But 1 locomotive=4 cars

[wicked nacelle]

yeah I guess you're not twice as heavy 1:8 since you're not dealing with the second engine's weight. .. so hopefully a 1M ramp would be fine

[bitter shuttle]

i do 2m ramps

[fiery pewter]

What are you on about?

[wicked nacelle]

?? I'm confused

[fiery pewter]

I am more confused

[shy mulch]

Maybe you do, a lot of people don't. I didn't find fluids to be a particular problem

[wicked nacelle]

one engine and four loaded cars -- is the heaviest that you can safely take up a 2m ramp

[fiery pewter]

Yeah

[chilly leaf]

You do you. Good luck

[fiery pewter]

And she is taking 8 cars with 2 locomotives

[wicked nacelle]

I thought just said 1 engine

[fiery pewter]

...

[wicked nacelle]

nm

I'm going to bed

[fiery pewter]

Lol

Sleep well :3

[wicked nacelle]

but back to my previous thought --- make the train essentially 2 1:4 trains so EFFFFEFFFF (E=engine F=friehgt car) and then build your station as SEEEESFFFF (s=sattion E=empty, F=freight platform) and then have the train dock at both stations 🙂 /awake

[fiery pewter]

What is the full empty station good for

Can one even add 3 train stations into 1 timetable?

[shy mulch]

can add 100 if you really wanted to

[bitter shuttle]

more importantly why would I do any of this tomfoolery

[crimson tartan]

there is a train delay value you can set, so if you want them to unload and load at the same time, just give a pause big enough

[fiery pewter]

Hmmm, yet another great idea I see here

[wicked nacelle]

it stops you from having to balance the outputs... it just means you only have to deal with the 3 belts. but if you want increased throughput then you need more stations of course. You'd set the train to "stay until empty" so it wouldn't just drop off like 3 stacks the second time because it just dropped off a full load a second ago

[bitter shuttle]

I'm not worried about balancing I'm fine with that I just can't figure out how to build a 3 to 4 even with the basic layout in front of me

[fiery pewter]

Basically:
1 belt>split in two>split those two belts in two>you have 4 belts>run all 4 belts to each go to one of the 4 mergers

Rinse and repeat for the other two starting belts

[dense violet]

split each 3 into 2 , and 2 again, merge 1 of each.

[bitter shuttle]

yeah I know that I've seen the design it still doesn't click in my head

[dense violet]

or just do the sane thing and use whatever is on the belts

[compact flicker]

So nobody was gonna tell me i can copy & paste machine settings without actually opening the menu?

[silk ocean]

Yea, MMB

Oh you're console - not sure which button, but it's possible

[compact flicker]

Right trigger & left or right on the Dpad

I only found it cuz I accidently did it while trying to paste multiple machines and wasnt standing close enough to the building :p

[silk ocean]

xD

[compact flicker]

Do I wanna build a whole factory by hand and fit everything perfectly, or do I just wanna spam blueprints and take up 4x the space

Trick question, im gonna go look for spheres while telling myself i need to, but in reality im just procrastinating

[silk ocean]

I tend to just build flat but it's personal pref

[compact flicker]

My last factory was one story

[silk ocean]

Go hi-rise city style xD

[sterile blade]

Isn't it mentioned in the on-screen tooltips for commands?

[compact flicker]

Only if you're holding down right trigger, which isn't really something one would normally do

[sterile blade]

What's the right trigger for...? 😅

[compact flicker]

Left click equivalent

(Left mouse button?)

Idk if thats what its called

[silk ocean]

Left click would be to like plop down a machine

Sounds the same

[compact flicker]

Ye

[sterile blade]

So, rather than telling you about it while you have the BuildGun active (PC), it only tells you during the tiny moment you try to place (and hold?) a hologram...?

[silk ocean]

Seeing as Windows / XBox is Microsoft, I always imagine things are relatively similar

[compact flicker]

When nothing is in my hands, I have to look at a machine, decide to hold right trigger (left click) with nothing hinting that it would do anything, and then some text appears at the bottom of the screen showing the copy and paste buttons

[sterile blade]

Bruh

[silk ocean]

Oh wait... Right is Left and Left is Right? xD

[compact flicker]

Lol yeah

[silk ocean]

Yikes 😄

[compact flicker]

Its the standard with controllers :p