satisfactory

[unkempt blade]

a lot of people do it but it does slow down your progression

[versed cosmos]

making it more efficient is also part of the game

[unique siren]

everything is allways at 100% efficiency

[hard ivy]

15 of each computers, limiters and HSCs costs less than 300 caterium, 300 copper and 100 oil

[hard ivy]

Nah, why bother

[versed cosmos]

like when you first set up oil you're gonna want to tear that down after getting the alt recipes for heavy oil residue and diluted fuel

[unique siren]

bcos anything less is just incorrect it scrapes at my brain untill i fix it

[unkempt blade]

Why not build the new recipes somewhere else? There's tons of oil spots

[hard ivy]

It doesn't make the factory any better functionally 🤷‍♂️

[unique siren]

thank you

[versed cosmos]

i could do that and then make the first factory more efficient lol

[unique siren]

except it litterally does since it operates at its correct efficiency

also the design challenge is fun

anything below 100% efficiency just feels like taking the cheep way out

[versed cosmos]

i get that too

also having your power consumption be a flat line makes it a lot easier to know when you're close to actually blowing your grid

[hard ivy]

And that changes its input and output how?

[reef basin]

because ADA said so

[sly heart]

I don't remember copper rotors being this awkward to work with, damn

[unique siren]

if its less efficient it takes more time, input is the same ofc but output is less

[unkempt blade]

Just saying you're very unlikely to ever run out of resources but you're pretty likely to run out of time at some point if you're not glued to your computer 😆

[reef basin]

how are they ankward? 🤔

[hard ivy]

Use steel rotor then 😃

[versed cosmos]

steel rotor is so peak

[sly heart]

can't, not that far in on this file

[hard ivy]

That's not how factories work 🤣

[unique siren]

yeah fair enough but i just have like 10GW more than needed

[unique siren]

what?

[sly heart]

weird screw amounts

[versed cosmos]

im glad im not the only one who gets this

[reef basin]

clock the screw constructor to make exactly that

[unkempt blade]

It's good practice! Skill up!

[hard ivy]

You cannot get less output for the same input without changing the recipes.

The resource efficiency is only determined by recipe choices

[reef basin]

and so expensive

[sly heart]

well I can't make 195 screws since I only have mk2 belts

[versed cosmos]

if youre doing iron pipe then yeah lol

i do it anyway because it makes where you make motors so much more flexible

[unique siren]

wait are you talking about using alternates and such as efficient as possible since i was talking about machine clock

(like a dumbass) 💀

[hard ivy]

Machine clock speeds don't change the factory's resource efficiency

[reef basin]

assembler has two inputs 😉

[unique siren]

no that i know, but it changes time efficiency

which is what im talking about

[sly heart]

if I'm jus tputting screws in then I can't make the rotor though?

[reef basin]

you put screws in one, and rest of screws merged with the sheets in another

[unkempt blade]

you could downclock until you get to mk3 😄

[sly heart]

idk, I cna't think on the same level as people who've probably finishe dthe game multiple times

I get stuck whenever I try to look at any vehicle in the game bc idk how to use them for transport

[hard ivy]

??? Tf is time efficiency

[reef basin]

the "efficiency" that game defines

[reef basin]

you can also clock the rotor machine to use 120 screws only

[unique siren]

if its running at 80% efficiency since its not getting all of its items as needed its gonna take more time to produce

am i being a total dumbass or like do i just suck at explainin

[unkempt blade]

it's the time they're using when tearing down and rebuilding stuff instead of just building somewhere else and being time efficient

[unique siren]

well that also but that wasnt my point

[sly heart]

sadly copper rotors only rly gets to 121 and then jumps under 120

[hard ivy]

a machine running at 100% speed 80% of the time makes the items exactly as quickly as a machine at 80% speed running 100% of the time

[reef basin]

clocking it to 61.5385% is basically equal to 120/min

[sly heart]

but then the copper sheets are a weird number right?

[reef basin]

no number is weird, you just clock the machine to work with it

[sly heart]

13.846

[unique siren]

yes, tho the inconsistency/just throwing items so it kinda works is what im talking about not being fun

[sly heart]

numbers like that make my planning ability instantly collapse

I usually just work with flat numbers or .5's since I can remember those

[versed cosmos]

i'm the same

[unique siren]

like not optimising ratios or whatever since its the equivalent of underclocking is boring is what im trying to say

[reef basin]

and no, it's 6.9231/min

[sly heart]

that's for the output, I mean the sheet input

[reef basin]

you don't really need to remember it, since you just hook it to another machine

[hard ivy]

I mean whether you like it or not is another thing. but don't pretend like underclocking for 100% uptime makes any difference to the input/output of the factory. they're functionally identical

[versed cosmos]

like i use the standard hmf recipe because the encased one even though it is better has some weird requirements for its inputs

[hard ivy]

insane behaviour tbh

[versed cosmos]

lmao i know a lot of people swear by the encased alt

[unique siren]

yeah no that i understand and wasnt (trying to) refer to

[sly heart]

tbf I might just not be good at this game, never finished any of my like 9 files

[reef basin]

and a lot of people don't 😉

[unique siren]

ofc it takes the same amount of time

[sly heart]

I think I got up to making fused frames and then I had to use a drone for smth and couldn't wrap my head around it whatsoever

[versed cosmos]

as long as you're having fun, you're good at the game

goal is to have fun after all

[reef basin]

if you need X/min, clock the previous machine(s) to produce X/min
if you make X/min, clock the next machine(s) to need X/min

it's very simple and you don't need to remember anything

[hard ivy]

because default is absolute trash. literally twice the iron and effort compared to encased. anyone who uses default to make more than like 2/min with the default recipe is either uninformed, dumb or insane imo

[unkempt blade]

if you're not using every single alt recipe in the same save are you really even satisfactorying?

[versed cosmos]

damn that's me lol

[reef basin]

(or uses different recipes)

[versed cosmos]

although i build my modular frame factory to have my heavy frame factory attached to it

10/min

[sly heart]

fair
Guess I should be working backwards more

I only really don't do that bc it's easier to plan the layout of the factory that way

[reef basin]

oh yeah, just plan from end product

it's way easier to plan backwards

[sly heart]

otherwise I'll be building backwards and realize I need more space near the miners and oops, time to dismantle everything

[reef basin]

go vertical 🙂

[sly heart]

I've always wanted to try mainly going vertical but I'm never sure how to go about that

[unkempt blade]

yeah or diagonal, it's more efficient to combine vertical and horizontal

[sly heart]

mainly bc factory towers are cool

[last wasp]

I keep forgetting about vertical, I keep going like factorio

[reef basin]

place a lift
build a foundation slab above
build there
place lift down
done

[hard ivy]

I have not found a single recipe chain that makes default HMF better in any objective metric. as far as I can tell, it's just objectively worse than Encased

[versed cosmos]

I think it's naturally easier to think on a 2d plane

[unique siren]

vertical is fun but i allways underestimate the size of the factories base

[sly heart]

I'll have to unlock the lifts at some point

[unkempt blade]

inverted pyramids are the meta for verticality

[sly heart]

unless you mean belt lift

[reef basin]

given that there's very little objective metrics, I'm not surprised. Even weighted resources are subjective

[unique siren]

real

[versed cosmos]

i think they do mean that but the personel lift is also great because it transports power between floors

[reef basin]

yeah belt lift

[reef basin]

the two games are actually very different and practically the only thing they share is the genre

[unkempt blade]

yeah but have you tried building your own elevator shaft with walls, foundations, and a series of jump pads going all the way to the top of the factory?

[versed cosmos]

can't say i have

[unkempt blade]

you should - it's better because it can be factory cart compatible

[last tartan]

They should redesign 1m basic walls, give them the same texture pattern the 4m walls do

[hard ivy]

it is objective. the choice of the weights is subjective, but the calculation with those weights doesn't change depending on the person doing the calculation (unless they did it incorrectly)

the choice of looking at only weighted resources would be subjective, but if encased uses less of every single resource, then no matter the weights chosen, encased will have a lower score

[reef basin]

I don't think encased uses less of every resource in every recipe chain

and "less decimal numbers" is also objective 😉

[hard ivy]

if there is, I haven't found one 🤷‍♂️

[unkempt blade]

encased is objectively the worst one because it's the only one that doesn't use screws

[sly heart]

if we're not making screws then what will the manufacturer eat while it works

man I am struggling hard to wrap my head around how I build backwards
How do y'all know how large to make every floor??
If I'm building backwards then there's no way for me to know how much space I need between where the smelters will be and where the end of the line is

I'm just gonna run into "oh I need to move everything forwards" and rebuild my entire factory over and over again

[scenic mirage]

calculate how much you need of the final object per minute, calculate how many machines you need to achieve that, see how big the machine is, and built that much room for the machines, you can ofc always just build it extra big

[sly heart]

a lot of calculating ig

I think I am just too dumb for this game

[versed cosmos]

there are tools that do it for you

[scenic mirage]

nah you just gotta fiddle around a lot, i recommend tools like sfmodeler tho

[sly heart]

or maybe I'm just playing it wrong idk
I never really set an end goal for an item I just go "I'm making the item" and that's it

[mortal ginkgo]

GUYS I just wanted go through pink forest because it was the shortest way to my factory from afar...

At first it was all going fine.. I was even grabbing some spheres along the way..

In the exact middle I WAS CHASED BY 2 GREEN STINGERS, RADIATED AND POISONED AT THE SAME TIME

Brotherman.

[scenic mirage]

sf modeler is on steam

[scenic mirage]

did you get your power shards yet

[grizzled lotus]

how big of a foundation do I need for a space elevator?

[unkempt blade]

I think the easiest way is intentionally overestimating your space and if you don't use it all just put something decorative there

[scenic mirage]

you can see how big it is when you're placing it

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch space elevator

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=space+elevator

[mortal ginkgo]

I got lots of slugs! and good amount of spheres. It was... an interesting journey 😄

[scenic mirage]

W

[unkempt blade]

blueprints also help me a lot with spacing. It's easier to think "I need 12 blueprints to get what I want" and know those are each 3x3 or whatever

[sly heart]

I never really used blueprints

I know they're useful

[grizzled lotus]

54x54 😵‍💫

[sly heart]

I just can't design any worth a damn

[versed cosmos]

borrow designs

also theyre good for stuff you just need to spam

[mortal ginkgo]

You know whats actually W my friend? I got so used to Stingers that I can't differentiate if its a smol or large variant.

My mind got too much fear exposed that it doesn't fear anymore lol

[versed cosmos]

like a bunch of smelters with splitters and mergers already attached

[last tartan]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1447291985663623198 I wanted to try this frame awning thing, but I want to hear some feedback from you folks. What do you guys think?

[sly heart]

reminder that foundations are 8m long iirc

so the 54 isn't that bad

[sly heart]

where would I do that?

[versed cosmos]

space elevator fits nicely on a 7x7 foundation

[unkempt blade]

it takes a little practice but I personally think it's a fun puzzle to try to modularize stuff + fit it into a cube of whatever size

[versed cosmos]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/borags/prime_splitters_15th_17th_etc_an_illustrated/

i find these useful. i make a blueprint for the 5-way every run

[sly heart]

Well yeah, but my brain doesn't really work when I try to do that

the compact space makes me unable to work properly

planning is one of my weaker abilities

so making blueprints is out of the question

[versed cosmos]

doesnt ada say something about complaining about the size of the blueprinter lol

[sly heart]

yeah

it's not too small I'm just bad

I think I'm just hanging up the helmet for today

I got stuck on IRON this time
I ain't ever finishing this game man..

I think I just give up

[versed cosmos]

What end part are you stuck on

[sly heart]

it's been literal years of me playing this game and I never get even close to what's currently endgame at that time

[versed cosmos]

i've never completed the game either lol

i'm sure tons of people here haven't

[unkempt blade]

It's just a practice thing. You get better by struggling with it a little 😄

[sly heart]

the everything

I can't even figure out how much of everything to make

Idk how many frames I need, rotors, reinforced plates

idk how to properly make enough items to make those without overflowing everything to hell and back

[versed cosmos]

Don't think about how many you need

Just make some

Belt it to a storage container

[sly heart]

I can't even figure out where to put the damn machines anymore

[versed cosmos]

Let it fill up while you're just doing other stuff

[sly heart]

I stared at an assembler hologram for 3 minutes

bc I couldn't figure out what to do with it

[unkempt blade]

paralysis by analysis - just need to commit to some decision and go 😄

it's a sandbox game so there are no wrong answers

[orchid depot]

Hello, What tier do you get the ability to do priority splitters?

[sly heart]

I tried that and it ruined the factory, had to tear it all down

didn't make enough of anything to make anything

[versed cosmos]

you mean priority mergers?

[versed cosmos]

this is part of the game

[orchid depot]

no, i mean priority splitters

[versed cosmos]

i don't think there are priority splitters

there's smart splitters and programmable splitters

[unkempt blade]

part 2 is be kind to yourself and learn from what you didn't like about your decisions

[south sinew]

smart splitters are priority splitters

[hard ivy]

with only 2 priorities, but still

[orchid depot]

I wonder if that can do what I want. at the end of my plates line , I want to send all to the left( rest of the line) but if it's full I want to send it to the right (storage) so that it keeps going

[sly heart]

There's an explicit setting on smart splitters for that

[orchid depot]

great, thanks, how deep in the tech tree is that?

[versed cosmos]

yeah that's the overflow setting

[sly heart]

overflow, sends items down that side if all other outputs are full

[hard ivy]

it's in the MAM

[sly heart]

well I got the numbers all wrong but idk how to get them right so I'm back where I started unfortunately

And I've found that working backwards breaks my brain so I can't do that either

I can't build forwards, or backwards, so I can't build at all

[unkempt blade]

have you tried using satisfactorytools.com ?

[sly heart]

idk what that is

[unkempt blade]

You should go play around with it for a bit. It's a planning tool that helps with some of the numbers stuff

[orchid depot]

yeah, so nothing about it in my Mam,

[ivory condor]

only the best planning tool that exists!

[hard ivy]

caterium tree

[sly heart]

I'd be surprised if it could help my sorry self, I've been getting worse at the game over time

[orchid depot]

would that be unknown crystalline mineral or unknown chemical element? or unknown metal?

[hard ivy]

metal

[orchid depot]

k, thanks.

[sly heart]

If caterium not already a thing in your mam you're probably gonna have to wait a long time for smart splitters

[hard ivy]

15-30 mins of work

[sly heart]

since it's a bit deep in there

[hard ivy]

it's really not

[orchid depot]

thanks, appreciate it.

[sly heart]

It isn't?
I remember having to wait forever to get them

[hard ivy]

you only need quickwire and copper sheets

doable as soon as you have the MAM

[sly heart]

and a caterium node

[hard ivy]

true, but you don't even need a miner on it

could even be one of those bouldered ones

[shrewd hatch]

this duplication game mechanic is nice

really ruins the power slugs being here tho

if you can just have 3000 power shards with ease

[austere rampart]

good luc getting that much power

[shrewd hatch]

wdym by power

[ivory condor]

Yes and no, in tier 9 you can make unlimited power shards anyways

[shrewd hatch]

oh

yea but I got it early game

[austere rampart]

somersloop cuadruples the needed power

[sly heart]

overclocking also scales up powe ruse a lot

[north parcel]

Chat my drones arent bringing in the amount of uranium that the miner makes pm, how would i fix the troughput?

[hard ivy]

34% more power for 60% fewer machines really isn't a lot

[sly heart]

hey I'm just reciting what ada said

[bitter lodge]

I got a steel, and iron factory I want to tear down since i made one mega factory that makes way more than those 2 seperate ones did....is there a easier one to delete them other than by hand?

[mortal ginkgo]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

Put your save into this website, area select everything you want to delete.

It will give you a list of things you can do (delete is by default selected), select delete.

Asks if you want a box near where you are with deleted items, say yes.

[bitter lodge]

thank you.

I was dredging doing this by hand. They are so terribly made, and just pointless

[mortal ginkgo]

np, trust me it works amazing.

#design-and-architecture message

[bitter lodge]

you deleted all that!?

mine was just two starter factories that were terribly vertical and not laid out correctly at all.

[ivory condor]

don't trust a impure node

[bitter lodge]

but the output of this new mega factory that took me 3 days ;-;...oh its so good and worth

[mortal ginkgo]

I am sorry but this had to come after this:
#design-and-architecture message

😭

[bitter lodge]

that is amazing

[mortal ginkgo]

I miss my old cute factory too but it wasn't efficient enough...

[bitter lodge]

I want to build good like that ;-; but I am still learning

[charred thistle]

afternoon pioneers

[teal pulsar]

My factories look like the slums of some industrial complex in the industrial revolution

[mortal ginkgo]

takes a lot of time to learn but you eventually get there. Key is just blueprinting segments so you can put them one after another like a lego

[mortal ginkgo]

So they look like normal factories, thats cool.

[sour ledge]

have any of y'all ever managed to start a save and lay down like, paths/infrastructure with the intent of using them for rail later and actually used them? Every time I try to make nice roads between factories outta foundations an' all so I can slap my rail on 'em, but then my rail blueprint ends up being a different size or I want it at a different height or turning at a different point and the original roads get scrapped 🤦

[bitter lodge]

is making a phase 4 factory feasiable?

like an entire factory that just makes purely the phase 4 things as the final output?

[hard ivy]

the elevator parts? sure, I built one in U6

[mortal ginkgo]

@silk epoch about #screenshots message

It is not a joke. These are the largest stingers that come out at night but also permanent in some zones.

My experience so far with where they are:

#satisfactory message

[bitter lodge]

idk what factory I want next, and maybe that is the route I go

[mortal ginkgo]

I do that for phase 2, so why not for 4. It can be quite a challenge tho'.

[oblique hound]

#screenshots message

has this been a thing for a while or is this new? i have never seen this before

[bitter lodge]

but looking at it. I didn't even automate the stuff to make the phase 4 stuff yet ._. so uh baby steps maybe.

[charred thistle]

i gotta redo my factory I didn't allocate enough space :C

[mortal ginkgo]

yup, always been there.

[sour ledge]

you'd need to import materials rather'n just use "locally sourced" to get the variety needed, but if you don't mind importing materials a megafactory to make anything is possible

[bitter lodge]

I tried to start a new world but my god not having jetpack or hoverpack, and all those depots and resources was painful. so I am doing a clean up then continue of a old 1.1 save.

[bitter lodge]

yup. I want to learn trains finally! so this would be a good way to do it :)

[teal pulsar]

I just kept expanding my starting factory with more floors and adjacent buildings into the monster it is now lol

[last wasp]

I have to rebuild all the time, its a spaghetti mess

[magic nest]

for a rocket fuel factory what do i do with the polymer resin from the heavy oil residue alt

[charred thistle]

there's no elevators tho

[oblique hound]

just odd because it appeared randomly and doesnt show up for new ones i build

[silk epoch]

ooooh.... fuuuunnnn

[teal pulsar]

same, i just used ladders LOL

Felt like a hamster in that factory

[sour ledge]

i avoided trains so hard my first couple saves, and now making a nice set of rail blueprints is one of my first things in late phase 3/early phase 4 'cause once you have the blueprints to rapidly expand its soooooo nice to have trains...

[magic nest]

do i just sink it?

[bitter lodge]

ya that is my problem xD

[last wasp]

im on console I can't download blueprints so everytime a make a new one I tear the old setup apart

[magic nest]

honestly i’m avoiding trains like the plague

[charred thistle]

should i restart in grass fields or rocky desert???

[teal pulsar]

I started in and have always played in rocky desert, so idk what grass fields is like

[sour ledge]

they're not so bad. if you keep it to one-car-long trains and just make separate stations for each item you can avoid a lot of the finagling

[magic nest]

yeah it’s just managing everything seems like a hassle and i don’t need THAT much to import so i just stick with drones

[sour ledge]

multi-car trains still suck though. im good with intersections and all but i hate having to space the stupid freight stations just so....

[charred thistle]

then that's what I'm going with no advanced settings or mods

[magic nest]

i’m guessing once i complete phase 4 thats gonna change

[teal pulsar]

Thats what I did 👍

[charred thistle]

are wood/leaves abundant

[sour ledge]

honestly? no. you'll need a lot of drones obviously but once you have drones you can finish the game just fine without trains.

[magic nest]

…?

[teal pulsar]

Lots of cactus and stuff which is basically the same thing, but I built the factory in a different era of the game before they redid the vegetation... but I don't think its a problem

[magic nest]

i have big plans for factory so most likely i will

[sour ledge]

path of least resistance is to sink it, but plastic is one of those things where you could always use some more somewhere, so i usually just turn it into plastic

[ivory condor]

Impressive design for a impure node

[charred thistle]

and resources?

[mortal ginkgo]

Thanks! ❤️

[magic nest]

yeah i was planning on it but for now im overloaded on plastic i just asked because i wondered if there was a alt that did something else with it

[sour ledge]

beyond how easily expanded it is, the train infrastructure is really satisfying to build once you're familiar with it. Like... your factories might get big, but are they continent-spanning-infrastructure big? 'Cause your trains will be!

[magic nest]

yeah i plan on having a factory just for screws with atleast a 6000 screws throughput so

still figuring out where to build it

and waiting for mk6 belts

[sour ledge]

#screenshots message

I've barely started on my trains, haven't even got the rails in the tunnel yet, but look at how that goes off into the distance. Got the fancy train spiral over there where i wanted a sudden height increase, fancy glowing tunnels....

[teal pulsar]

yeah there's a ton of resources

[charred thistle]

too rocky for my liking :c

[magic nest]

trust me rocky desert is so nice

[sour ledge]

(you don't really need a tunnel for your trains, but i wanted to put tunnels down.)

[magic nest]

you basically barely have to travel for almost anything besides sam and uranium

[charred thistle]

i like flat plains

[shrewd hatch]

can I sink power shards?

[bitter lodge]

so I was gonna make a factory dedicated so I can make mk3 miners easily....but its requiring 5k water ._.

[magic nest]

better build some water towers 🫡

[sour ledge]

sounds like you have a good oppotunity to make a really cool pipe stack network blueprint

[magic nest]

i absolutely love using water towers it makes everything so easy liquid wise

[bitter lodge]

its just to make supercomputer, fused modular frame, and turbo motor all at 10/min

but 5k water and 200+ refineries is wild

[magic nest]

i’m honestly not looking forward to making turbo motors

at all

[sour ledge]

i don't really mind 'em but i do modular, not megafactory, so its just a matter of shipping parts around

[undone axle]

what can i do with ficsmas gift?

[magic nest]

my factory is just spaghetti sauce

[sour ledge]

mega factories take some real planning and verticality 'cause of how big they get

[magic nest]

so it’s always a struggle to implement anything

[sour ledge]

check the ficsmas research tree at the MAM, and the advent calendar in the hub. you can build fancy christmas decorations for this month

[bitter lodge]

debating just adding more to this factory than just these 3 items

[magic nest]

one thing i refuse to make on the main spaghetti plate is liquids i need a clear space for that

[bitter lodge]

if I gotta import this many of variety of items, why not just include more and add more of each resource?

[magic nest]

make it and see if you have any spare resources

[bitter lodge]

why 2 baby mega factories when 1 big mega factory. because I hate myself

[magic nest]

that’s what i do

[sour ledge]

"Why not more" is the rabbit hole that defines this game lol

[undone axle]

It's locked, I can't open it.

[dry carbon]

#screenshots message

[sour ledge]

go to the calendar first, to the right of the craft bench (or was it the tier panel? one of those). You click the '1' to get a thingy to unlock research

[dry carbon]

screw foundations

its better as a mess

[heavy pine]

You can only open up to today's date. And make sure you're choosing the 1 and 2, not "10" or "20" or similar.

[charred thistle]

Is there any advice for verticality? And when do you get ladders

[sour ledge]

I have a certain grudging respect for people who can make spaghetti and go "thats fine" instead of being driven insane by it. My hats off for your mental fortitude lol

[dry carbon]

thank you

[charred thistle]

What's spaghetti in this context :0

[bitter lodge]

a factory for just phase 4 items...takes thousands of copper ore and barely anything else o.e

[heavy pine]

Ladders are unlocked in the AWESOME Shop

[dry carbon]

convayors

[charred thistle]

Ohhhh

[charred thistle]

Ohhhhhhhhhh

[dry carbon]

I CANT SPELL

[sour ledge]

you buy ladders with sink tickets, so as early as you can get sink points. As for verticality... i did a save where i built factory towers but tbh i dont like building vertical 'cause i like to be able to fly above my factories and see the whole sprawl. I found conveyor floor holes and ceiling attachments invaluable though.

[charred thistle]

It's okay silly I can't read

[glad quest]

guys i think my save corrupted

i cant see any of the surroundings

[heavy pine]

Spaghetti isn't just conveyors, it's conveyors going over top of each other in several different directions

[dry carbon]

cool

[charred thistle]

So pretty much my last factory

[heavy pine]

Hide your sins with a logistics floor. 😄

[sour ledge]

i will admit that while i don't do spaghetti, sometimes if I find myself in a tight squeeze for space ill give up and run a couple conveyors underground to avoid having to have visible spaghetti up above....

[dry carbon]

WHY ITS BEUTIFUL

[glad quest]

what

[sour ledge]

spaghetti is beautiful in the way pugs are cute; you gotta have a certain kinda mindset to appreciate it lol

[dry carbon]

you right

[glad quest]

pugs shouldnt be alive they have an awful life

[sour ledge]

yeah im... im not in team pug don't worry. i was tactfully telling crapbuilder that you have to like ugly things to like spaghetti 😂

[civic yacht]

pugs are one of the things where people stopped to think if they should

[glad quest]

yeah the french ones with a knose are actually cute but the american ones with no knose actually are quite sad

[wicked willow]

The resources in the desert / dune starting location are really far apart sometime. I guess I will need to do another long line of conveyor belt across the desert lol.

Or I could use tractors.... hmm

[glad quest]

factory cart

[void mason]

Why the game is censuring the number 455 when I write it?

[heavy pine]

Because 4 looks like A and 5 looks like S.

[oblique hound]

more importantly why is the game censoring something???

oh console

[hard ivy]

yeah, exactly

[buoyant token]

Yo how long shards / overclocking works ?

[hard ivy]

shards don't run out

it stops working when you take them out

[heavy pine]

That's one thing I like about Satisfactory over Factorio and some other similar games I've played. Resources never run out.

[buoyant token]

8 shards …

[hard ivy]

well, sloops and mercers are finite

[heavy pine]

That Mk.1 miner you plopped on an impure limestone deposit at the start of the game will churn it out forever.

[buoyant token]

I’m going back to my factory btw

[bitter lodge]

13.3k water

[ivory condor]

@mortal ginkgo you'll be busy

[bitter lodge]

can someone look at #math-and-meta and give some feedback?

[upper crystal]

hey everyone

[wintry forge]

hi

[upper crystal]

where i can see new updates and if they gonna bring new things in game? (i finished game 3 months ago and now i wait for new things if they gonna come) 😂

[wintry forge]

idk im new🥹

[upper crystal]

😂 then lest wait and see

[reef basin]

#patch-notes

[gaunt sapphire]

are there known issues with priority mergers? it just doesn't work as expected. is there a workaround?

[heavy pine]

What are you expecting and what are they doing?

[gaunt sapphire]

see the last topic in questions and help

[heavy pine]

I've not used priority mergers, but as I understand it the way you have it configured it's going to take one from each of the High priority belts and only ever take from the Low priority belt if there's nothing coming from either of the other two.

Let them be called Belt A, Belt B, and Belt C with C being the Low priority one. The output will be ABABABAB and so on if belts A and B are both full.

[charred thistle]

so my bf gave me the flu-

i am not optimized

factory is in shambles

[upper crystal]

thank you

[peak wasp]

question how do i do fuel power?

[gaunt sapphire]

it doesn't work properly when belts of different levels are connected

[hard ivy]

put fuel in fuel generator

[mortal ginkgo]

ITS MY TIME TO SHINE BABY LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO 30/MIN FOR THE WIN!

[magic nest]

there’s a alt recipe to make sam into sulfur?

[hard ivy]

SAM and coal or SAM and iron, yes

[magic nest]

i didn’t know that

[hard ivy]

it's a tier 9 thing

[magic nest]

what’s it called and when is it able to get

ahhhhthat makes more sense

damnit

is it a alt?

oh it’s not

welp

[naive palm]

foundation + four walls + foundation.
Put him in a little quarantine box until the plague has passed.
Ficsit will file the appropriate waivers on your behalf.

[paper dove]

there's a mercer sphere right under my base. I've been hearing it since day 1 but I can't find the damn entrance to the (presumably) cave. this is driving me nuts. 🤌

[charred thistle]

but i don't want him in a box :C

[naive palm]

Think of all the...
-# loading human_cares.txt
cute puppies and kittens
-# eof
...counting on you!

[feral dragon]

I just launched the 5th phase and I feel kinda empty now. What's your motivation for keep playing or start a new world? I know that I can farm tickets but I already have a mega factory (500h save) so that would only take a couple of hours if I redirected all my items to sink

[heavy pine]

FICSMAS if you haven't done any of that yet, though to be fair that's very simple compared to the crazy production chains you have to set up by the end of the game.

[cunning glade]

Hey chat odd question is there a cave that connects thoose nodes easier in #screenshots

I wanna connect those 2 and save the closer ones for later if possible but I may just use them as it doesn't seem like they would connect easily

Mainly wanna run the coal too the iron make it into steel then truck it too base

[hard ivy]

I think so?

[cunning glade]

Idk the rocky desert that well

[cunning glade]

That's what I thought but I couldn't tell with the time I had before work

So now I'm at work just thinking about it

[hard ivy]

yeah, literally just turn on the caves layer in SCIM XD

[cunning glade]

Oooo

Didn't know that was a thing

[oblique hound]

yep! i have a train line through there

[worn edge]

i want to play again but im deadass scared im gonna turn lazy and make spaghetti haven

[cunning glade]

If you've already beat the game

Play slow make things nice as u go

[hard ivy]

and?

[worn edge]

ramen

[cunning glade]

Why rush if you've already beat it imo

[hard ivy]

embrace spaghetti

[cunning glade]

Sweet ty

[worn edge]

furthest i got was halfways filling that big tower station thing

[cunning glade]

Was like the main issue was getting the coal from the hole basically too the iron

[worn edge]

and then i forgot about the game somehow

[glad quest]

did they change how factory carts work?

[cunning glade]

Not too my knowledge

[glad quest]

they seem more stable

[cunning glade]

Oh that's probs just cuz the game is better in general

🤷

[hard ivy]

they updated all vehicles a few updates ago

[glad quest]

makes sense

i remeber driving one and if u turned too hard u would cartwheel into oblivion

[cunning glade]

Compared too pre 1.0 imo

[glad quest]

i wont stand for pre 1.0 slander

pre 1.0 was peak

[cunning glade]

Pre 1.0 it was as buggy as star citizen lol

Pre 1.0 was good just very unoptimized and buggy

[glad quest]

did u even play then???

[cunning glade]

Yeah I've played since like 2020

Prolly closer too 2021

[glad quest]

it was more optimised back then u used to be able to play it on max graphics with a 6600xt now u cannot due to unreal engine 5 being poopy

[cunning glade]

I get better fps now on higher settings then pre 1.0

[hard ivy]

same

[glad quest]

same pc?

[wheat yew]

update 8 brought ue5 though?

[cunning glade]

1.0 boosted my fps by like over 100

Was pretty insane

[hard ivy]

and U8 doubled mine

[cunning glade]

I mean I may have overclocked some stuff more

But not enough too make that big of a difference

I don't even need extra power for this game

[glad quest]

dam maybe its amd drivers then

they r shit

[cunning glade]

Nah I have amd

[cunning glade]

Probs same but idk

[glad quest]

was i just unlucky then

cuz i had to downgrade my graphics due to performance

[cunning glade]

I play on near ultra 4k with fsr4 and get about 300 fps

[glad quest]

now i get stable 165 fps at max but my old gpu didnt like it at all

[cunning glade]

Fsr4 is so good I can't wait for next gen amd

[oblique hound]

what kind of nasa computer gives 300fps on satisfactory with a 4k display

[cunning glade]

7900xtx

[oblique hound]

how much is built in the world?

[cunning glade]

Well on my old world I went past the object limit

But I feel like something broke

[glad quest]

ive got teh 7900 gre couldnt agree with the price at the time

[cunning glade]

But new world vs end game fps is maybe like 15-20 less

It really doesn't change that much like it did pre 1.0

[cunning glade]

7900xtx is so peak got mine for 1170$ was cheaper than my 6900xt which was 1500$

It easily can beat a 4090 if u up the pl atleast in raster

Just wish it had better memory

Tho if I can get the memory too run 1-1 with soc I may get some nice performance benefits

[feral dragon]

I have gotten stuck on the day 4 tape, no idea how to get it and havent googled it yet

[oblique hound]

calendar?

[cunning glade]

I'm so frickin close too got my mem at 2950mhz max I need 50mhz more

[cunning glade]

Are u sure

[summer swift]

if i build a ramp out of a bunch of 2m ramps, will that be too steep for a train?

[oblique hound]

no

although it looks a bit odd imo

[cunning glade]

Steepest u can do I think is a 242 or something like that iirc

[hard ivy]

nah, they can climb 2m ramps just fine if you have 1 locomotive for every 4-5 wagons

[summer swift]

it changes based off of how many wagons it has?

[cunning glade]

U can do 4 carts per engine before it starts too slow down

[quick barn]

As someone with a 9700xt, amd has been way better than nvidia

[oblique hound]

it wont work for a 4m ramp, but thats the threshold, so if you build a 1.99999:1 ramp it will work

[glad quest]

rlly the drivers are driving me nuts

[cunning glade]

Downgrade newest drivers are a mess

[hard ivy]

well yeah, 1 locomotive cannot put 100 full wagons up a steep slope

[glad quest]

i hadnt even updated yet i usually wait about 3 months after lmfao

[oblique hound]

standard windows issue 🐧

cries in anticheat

[quick barn]

I will say, I never update to a new major or minor if it's a x.x.0

[cunning glade]

Ah I couldn't remember I'm pretty sure u can get it too work with 4m I just don't remember how

[quick barn]

But also, update drivers for graphics cards when you are forced to, not just because.

[hard ivy]

you just straight up can't place rails on 4m ramps

[glad quest]

i usually just wait a while lol

[quick barn]

If your stuff works, leave it alone.

[glad quest]

works most the time

[cunning glade]

Oh I swear I saw a video doing it guess I remember wrong

[hard ivy]

I mean if you alternate 4m and 2m ramps, you might be able to, but all 4m ramps are too steep

[placid comet]

Is there a way to make Ada shut up? I don't need an update for everything

[gentle lion]

Miners work on top of foundation , is there a limit to height? Like 2 or 4m? Or can it.E higher

[hard ivy]

pretty sure you can mute her somewhere in the audio settings?

[cunning glade]

Ye that's what I meant by 242

[cunning glade]

Ada is the best tho

[placid comet]

Dialogue volume?

[cunning glade]

She talks less and less late game

Cuz u unlock stuff slower technically

[glad quest]

2m

[gentle lion]

Do like I do turn headset on and leave it on the table lol

[gentle lion]

Thanks.

[cunning glade]

I just listen too music

[cunning glade]

But why the sound design in this game is amazing

[limpid inlet]

It's good

[gentle lion]

I do sometimes , when I get zoned in on thnwgane I really don't hear it lol

Why I ask.about foundation , fluids like going down , so would raise a make a pipe going uphill directly from oil extractor a few meters then dropping it after?

[cunning glade]

Question what's the ratio of iron too coal

[gentle lion]

Huh autocorrect fucked me up there

[cunning glade]

Or is it 1:1 still

[gentle lion]

Whag the hell did I type.

Raise pipe at well then drop it after it s 4 or 8m high?

[hard ivy]

ratio... where?

[wise junco]

F i c s m a s

[cunning glade]

Like is it 1 coal for 1 iron

[hard ivy]

for what???

[heavy pine]

Depends on what you're making

[cunning glade]

Steel

Oh did I not say that my bad

[hard ivy]

depends on recipe(s)

[cunning glade]

Just base

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch steel ingot

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=steel+ingot

[heavy pine]

With the basic steel recipe, yes it's a 1:1 ratio. you need the same amount of iron ore as coal.

[cunning glade]

Ig ur right

[reef basin]

check in the machines?

[wise junco]

FWIW i recommend solid steel ingot at the least

[cunning glade]

I'm not home at work

[reef basin]

then wiki

[cunning glade]

Had people so couldn't Google so figured I'd ask and be able too come back too an answer

It may be worth finding alts first

[wise junco]

solid steel ingot, you get 50% more steel ingot by processing the iron ore into ingots first. it's a major win

[peak wasp]

I just discovered something terrifying. The big stingers can jump 30 meters straight up. Thought I could cheese them like alpha hogs.

[cunning glade]

Ah yeah solid steel is just a win

Will def get that then

Plan is steel factory and then truck too base for phase 2 parts

[hard ivy]

or get iron pipe and you need way less steel

[wise junco]

love me some iron pipe

[cunning glade]

True but I'm not really swimming in spare iron quite yet

[wise junco]

it's so iron hungry but makes things so easy

[gentle lion]

You could just overclock the smelter for steel

[cunning glade]

I think phase 3 I do all in the same base

Phase 4 I spread out and drone too ele

[gentle lion]

I think mines doing pretty high amount

I didn't have enough steel so I did 250% in foundry and a sloop makes 225 a min

[cunning glade]

Only issue is gonna be power

[reef basin]

building more is easier on power 🙂

[gentle lion]

I have plenty available

[cunning glade]

Last time I did a 26gw plant that last till I got the oil loop

I hate blenders and the oil loop being phase 7

[gentle lion]

Oil loop?

[reef basin]

game doesn't have 7 phases lol

[hard ivy]

? The recycling loop can be done in tier 5. Unless you're talking about something else

And yeah tier ≠ phase

[gentle lion]

What recycling loop

[hard ivy]

The most efficient way to get plastic and/or rubber
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=95fyfj9Cgp7hvUvOqtXW
Swap out diluted for packaged diluted to make this without blenders. Same efficiency

[gentle lion]

Cool so kinda like the HOR and packaged water makes more fuel ?

[unkempt blade]

achyually the most efficient way is to pick it up off the ground near crash sites

no power, no resource cost, true efficiency

[sharp basin]

Haven’t played for like 10 DAYS

[south sinew]

depends on what you're being efficient on, but no, that's a terribly inefficient way to get it

[gentle lion]

I like the higher tier items I can't make lol

[cunning glade]

Yeah my bad I often mess up phases and tiers

[gentle lion]

I found some allclad?

[cunning glade]

Isn't that blenders?

[unkempt blade]

if you don't care about resource efficiency or power efficiency then you must not care about alt recipes either

[cunning glade]

Cuz that's what I mean

[south sinew]

that's a tremendously false comparison

[hard ivy]

Diluted packaged fuel and no blenders

[sharp basin]

Tomorrow I continue my save, just say, how many doggos you think when reaching end of phase 2? Got 10 presently!

[south sinew]

caring about them != caring about them to the exclusion of all else

[cunning glade]

I'm thinking of something else

Then

[south sinew]

there are many different kinds of efficiency which need to be reasonably balanced

picking rubber up off the ground may be resource and power efficient but the throughput is so tremendously bad it's a nonstarter

[cunning glade]

Idk maybe rocket fuel cuz I have coal rn but I want rocket

[unkempt blade]

I agree we should all stick to residual plastic to maximize efficiency

[hard ivy]

I'm not aware of any oil loop that can only be done in tier 7. Both diluted packaged fuel and recycling are loops, but they're both available in T5

Rocket fuel can have a loop, but you loop the compacted coal. And it's in tier 8

[sharp basin]

I was thinking 12 to start

[cunning glade]

Maybe I didn't realize the diluted one cuz I only knew of doing it with blenders

[cunning glade]

Ye just doing oil power before rocket fuel seems like a waste

[limpid inlet]

Charcoal alt recipe needs to be removed

[hard ivy]

Brother 20 GW from 600 oil is cheap af. And what else are you gonna do? 20 GW of coal???

[south sinew]

there's not a lot of other options in that tier

[cunning glade]

Ig maybe with the loop it's different cuz I didn't mess with diluting fuel so it took about like 1200 oil for 30gw

[hard ivy]

That's still way better than 6000 coal

[cunning glade]

Ig fair I just want rocket fuel tho

[unkempt blade]

you'd be waiting for blenders so you'd be going like 2 tiers of research without the benefit of non-rocket oil power

[cunning glade]

We shall see this time phase 2 and 3 are taking alot less time

Small oil plant too get phase 3 done and that's phase 4 I can scavenge drop pods again for everything I need too unlock the milestones and craft them

/ coupons if really needed

We shall see it may also not take so long too build the oil plant plus I can use alot less

Leaving blue Crater open this time for rocket fuel I think

Last time I made it over by paradise island

[empty junco]

anyone ever see the icon for the Hub disappear on the compass?

[charred thistle]

question about multiplayer, if i make it steam invite only can i still play offline if my internet goes out?

[gentle lion]

Trying to setup heavy modular frame factory ...the tool says it can't be done with less than 2400 iron ore per minute?

That can't be right can it....

[hard ivy]

How many are you making lmao

[gentle lion]

I don't know I may have misclicked something

Like whatever the normal amount is lol

Oooh I did 10 a minute lol

That's only 580 a minute lol

[hard ivy]

2.4k iron is 25/min territory without coal, and probably like 80/min territory with coal

[gentle lion]

Im just an idiot

[peak wasp]

Yo right so is it laggy on console or not

[gentle lion]

Not on mine

[bitter lodge]

any easy way to dump 1200 water?

[hard ivy]

Why do you have water to dump?

[bitter lodge]

aluminum

[hard ivy]

All productions that produce water use it as input

You can just recycle it

[bitter lodge]

10x refinery takes 800 water, aluminum scrap has 1200 coming out .-.

[charred thistle]

I'm thinking of focusing on foundation building then worrying about construction and automation second

[bitter lodge]

and yes, I can feed it back. But I am scared of messing it up ;-; and just bottle necking my factory

[hard ivy]

There are like 3 different ways to do this reliably

I recommend the VIP from the plumbing manual

It's pinned in #math-and-meta

[reef basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1397218790122590208/image.png?ex=6936dbe6&is=69358a66&hm=b1cc6c9d1d28d755343878edaecffd2756da6d86e81b74d7d2df1f327f758799&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=685&height=968 is super simple and reliable way to do aluminum (and VIPs may get changed)

[bitter lodge]

wtf is a vip?

[reef basin]

a construction of pipes and pumps that for some reason gives priority to one input over another, however even the creator himself doesn't trust it anymore

[bitter lodge]

so like. why is it a good idea to use it?

[hard ivy]

It works perfectly for me and always has been

And it's easy to use and compact

The only issue is that 1.2 might break it

[reef basin]

I wouldn't say it's a good idea, but in this case it would give priority to the byproduct water to be processed first

however if you check my image, that one is without any black magic and is very simple and can handle byproduct water easily

[unkempt blade]

wet concrete or pure [type of metal] ingot alt recipes

[bitter lodge]

interesting ideas for sure

[hard ivy]

* as long as you prioritise scrap coming from byproduct water and/or sink the excess.
Letting the refineries clog with scrap can just break it

[versed cosmos]

diluted fuel if you've got oil nearby

[reef basin]

well that's true for practically any alu solution that doesn't void the water

[hard ivy]

And frankly, for 100% reliability without a sink, you should split the scrap too and use a prio merger to use the byproduct water scrap first

[hard ivy]

Not a VIP

[versed cosmos]

electrode scrap alt + making diluted fuel from the byproduct water is a setup i wanna do some day

[reef basin]

VIP can still clog if machines idle 🤷

[hard ivy]

And aside from me and Aeryn, I've never seen anyone mention that this needs a sink

[reef basin]

(and yes, you're gonna say "never happened to me", but it did happen to people)

[hard ivy]

Idk what to tell you man

I don't underclock my stuff, made plenty of mistakes in production

My VIPs have handled all possible uptimes just fine

They were never the issue

Unless I literally hooked them up wrong

[reef basin]

as with other things, it may be the way you play or build, which isn't easily transferable to other people, so I'd rather recommend the thing that I didn't yet seen broken than the thing I've seen broken multiple times

[hard ivy]

I could say the same about the split setup 🤣

I've seen it break more times than the VIP

[reef basin]

(and also, I wouldn't recommend a thing that relies on some weird mechanics that possibly aren't even intended)

[gentle lion]

When the tool shows 10.5x for a machine one is undeclcked to 50%

[reef basin]

yeah

[hard ivy]

That's one way to do it, yes

[gentle lion]

What else would there be?

[charred thistle]

yargh spongeboy me bob i screwed up my conveyor belts and now my wire constructor is making silica

[reef basin]

clock multiple machines so that it results in 1050% production

[hard ivy]

There are infinitely many other solutions that achieve the same thing

[unkempt blade]

3 machines at 100% and 3 machines at 250% - alternate them for maximum confusion

[gentle lion]

👀

[hard ivy]

What's important is getting the output that 10.5 machines at 100% speed and uptime would produce

[gentle lion]

I'm using iron pipe alternate for part of the heavy modular frame

[reef basin]

the 10x100% + 1x50% is usually the simplest way to think about it though

[hard ivy]

Could be 10 machines at 100%, 1 at 50, could be 12 at 87.5%, could be 4 machines at 250% + 1 at 50%. Whatever you want

[gentle lion]

7 @ 150

[hard ivy]

You don't even need to change clock speed either. 10 machines running at 100% speed and 100% uptime plus one running at 100% speed and 50% uptime also works

[unkempt blade]

bonus points if you use a repeating decimal number

[gentle lion]

You can adjust uptime?

[versed cosmos]

no it adjusts itself

[reef basin]

by adjusting clock speed 🙂

[versed cosmos]

it won't have resources half the time

[hard ivy]

Not directly, but not pulling out output fast enough or not putting in input fast enough will both adjust it down

That's how I usually manage my factories

Just let them figure themselves out

[versed cosmos]

why not just adjust the clock speed down 50% man

[hard ivy]

I don't need to change clock speeds if I just have enough production

[gentle lion]

8 think this modular frame factory will be my forst true factory

[unkempt blade]

because overclocked machines go brrrrrr

[gentle lion]

It's gonna be huge

[versed cosmos]

how many modular frames u doing?

[hard ivy]

Because why waste time on it when there's 0 benefit?

[versed cosmos]

i mean there's a very tiny benefit to power consumption but i see your point lol

[gentle lion]

65 machines for 1 part....🤔 😂

[versed cosmos]

if you're so close to blowing your grid that that makes a difference you have bigger problems to worry about

[gentle lion]

2 a min

[hard ivy]

Unless you build a bunch of extra machines, it's basically negligible

[reef basin]

well, it's more stable grid

[versed cosmos]

65 machines for 2 modular frames per min?

[gentle lion]

I've goti got plenty of grid power

[versed cosmos]

do you mean heavy frames?

[unkempt blade]

but... efficiency

[gentle lion]

Heavy *

[hard ivy]

Is this without alts?

[versed cosmos]

yeah i would adjust the clockspeed down but i see that practically there isn't much difference at all

[gentle lion]

With iron pipe alt

[hard ivy]

Only?

[gentle lion]

Yeah

[hard ivy]

Ouch

[unkempt blade]

you could do 21 machines at 50% and save even more power

[gentle lion]

Don't have the others

[unkempt blade]

just think of all the efficiency

[versed cosmos]

standard heavy frame recipe?

[hard ivy]

Then get them. You can get more than double the output for the same effort

[versed cosmos]

cast screw is a good one

lots of people also use encased frames because it eliminates screws

[hard ivy]

No screws is even better

[versed cosmos]

yea we said this earlier lol

[reef basin]

eh, I wouldn't say so

[versed cosmos]

i use the default recipe and you said that was insane lmao

[hard ivy]

Because it is

[unkempt blade]

all these unenlightened screw haters

[gentle lion]

Your recipes oy show in the machine ? Not a list anywhere

[reef basin]

that's just one person's opinion 🙂

alt recipes are basically opinionated options

[versed cosmos]

yeah

i find the amounts that the encased frame recipe asks for really weird

[gentle lion]

I hit alts for computers lol

Got*

[versed cosmos]

some of them are good apparently but i've never touched them

[gentle lion]

Crystal computer and silicon circuit boards

[versed cosmos]

whenever i make a computer factory i just use the base recipe and run a train to bring copper parts to my oil area

[gentle lion]

I have a place I can make those easy

[hard ivy]

Underclock it then

[gentle lion]

So which alts for heavy frame ?

[unkempt blade]

crystal computers is the best one because it's the only one that lets you include screws in the production chain

[versed cosmos]

alt recipe to include screws in a recipe that doesnt normally have it is wild lmao

[last wasp]

Im new with this game, sometimes I kill myself to respawn at base, I just did that and "glados" said "Try walking next time" lol

[versed cosmos]

ada has some real gems lmao

[gentle lion]

I just have quartz and copper conveyors in the same spot lol

And I have 2 industrial storage units full of quartz and 2 of silica just cause

[unkempt blade]

sink them for sweet sweet coupons!

[gentle lion]

Nah who needs em 😂 😂

[charred thistle]

when do you get interior lighting

[bitter lodge]

awesome shop

[white dawn]

A warning in advance: the "official" lights are awfully big; if your factory wasn't designed with the stock lighting in mind, you may find them awfully unweildy

If you have Global Illumination (Lumen) enabled in the settings, you can use Signs as lighting, though the effect is less strong now than it used to be

[charred thistle]

define awfully big

[twin helm]

So i have to make rubber and plastic and i wanna use 2 pure oil nodes, one for each, but they are really far away, should i build the factory at them and transport output to base, or transport the oil to base and build the rest in house

[last wasp]

I built a small base just for oil stuff

[sullen gull]

You can make quite a lot from a single node by finding the recycled alts

[hardy moat]

Outpost to base personally but it's honestly personal preference

[twin helm]

Either way ima have to build alot of pipes or alot of conveyors as i dont have trucks or trains yet... i figure conveyors are easier as i dont gotta worry about pumps etc but idk i kinda like the mega factory idea

[tall lantern]

it's generally easier to transport solids than liquids

[twin helm]

Yeah, but everything is else is getting made in pretty much the same are so it wouldnt fit my pattern so far

Area**

[bitter lodge]

how many items/min can a single train cargo move?

[strong fiber]

I just reached 30 hours and im not even in phase 2 yet bruh cuz im waiting for the parts to make

[hardy moat]

With pipes you only have to worry about the highest point, after that you don't need more pumps, so you can take the pipes up x amount at the oil nodes then don't use pumps for the rest of the way

Like a water tower

[twin helm]

I only just hit phase 2 and im 60 hours in

[strong fiber]

i just got done with the parts factory

[twin helm]

Oh yeah cos they only need lift

[hardy moat]

Exactly

[twin helm]

I had to build a factory for everything i had unlocked before going up a phase because idk why

I dont want it to look messy either tho and pipes 4000ft in the air is hard to make look good

[hardy moat]

You don't need to keep it sky high, you can go up n straight back down and it'll still work cos physics

[zealous urchin]

total number of items that can fit into container / time needed to complete journey cycle (load, move out, get to station, unload, come back)

[hardy moat]

#screenshots message

Like this

[unkempt blade]

yeah but you can turn your factory into a gaming pc #screenshots message

[open swallow]

Huh, just learned how OP the recycled rubber and recycled plastic recipes are

Just feed in fuel and a tiny amount of rubber and you can produce huge amounts of plastic

[hardy moat]

Yeah fr

[unkempt blade]

if you add some decorative lighting it becomes even more OP

[wicked nacelle]

You get one profit plastic/rubber per fuel you put in

[hardy moat]

Combine it with diluted fuel tho and you're making crazy amounts

[open swallow]

exactly what I plan on doing

[wicked nacelle]

diluted fuel and HOR alt

[open swallow]

exacly why I'm tearing down my old refinery

Such inefficiency much be snuffed out

I'm going to be producing 2-3x the products with half the oil

[unkempt blade]

or you could be producing 3-4x if you left it running and built at another oil node 😄

so much efficiency!

[wicked nacelle]

that's silly. Keep your transportation logistics in place and just be tons better.

There's absolutely times when tearing down and rebuilding makes sense.

It's just not "oh I don't like my starter base let me tear it down"

[unkempt blade]

like when you need to construct a factory with more factory carts

that makes total sense to do a tear down

[open swallow]

I have a bunch of infra I want to reuse... Namely train stations, belts, sinks, pipes

it's an ideal location too

[wicked nacelle]

you can use the resin from the fuel process to make rubber to kickstart your recycled loop, too. (rubber is 2x better than plastic from resin for some reason)

[open swallow]

That's what I'm gonna do! 😄

I have a steady stream of resin coming from my turbofuel factory

[warm dune]

id like to see them modify the hover pack to where you can use it anywhere and it consumes fuel just like the jet pack does

maybe make it use more fuel or something to balance it out or something

[reef basin]

that would invalidate the jetpack completely

[open swallow]

perhaps batteries

[warm dune]

not if you find a way to balance it to where theres a trade off

[reef basin]

why not just use jetpack?

[open swallow]

Maybe just a mode for the jetpack that maintains altitude

[warm dune]

that would work too

[ocean frost]

finally give people a reason to make batteries

[warm dune]

^hes not wrong

i havent made a single on in my entire time playing cause theres nothing that needs them

[open swallow]

Hoverpack is slower and more suited to construction. Jetpack is faster and more suited to exploration. They have unique roles already.

[lapis idol]

Yeah that’s why people who really min max things turn like one rubber machine with HOR into diluted fuel then use that to make recycled plastic, same process for recycled rubber, & it’s like twice as efficient? Idk the exact ratios but something like that

[reef basin]

we already have reason for it - fuel for vehicles

[warm dune]

well there is but ive got alternate blueprints

[warm dune]

im not saying make it to where its something to replace the jetpack for exploration, but it gets old having to constantly place down power poles just to keep the hoverpack going

heck even if they took the power cells or something

[open swallow]

Yeah, I'd be fine making it ultra endgame

[reef basin]

I mean, that's where you use jetpack, not hoverpack 😉

[ocean frost]

jetpack is faster

[warm dune]

ok go ahead and try to build with the jetpack and see how that works for ya lol

[reef basin]

for building you have lookout towers

[ocean frost]

oh god no

[sullen gull]

Do it all the time 🤷‍♂️

[reef basin]

(also, if you're building something, then you most likely have power nearby anyway, so hoverpack shouldn't be an issue)

[sullen gull]

👆

[warm dune]

not all the time

[ocean frost]

Sloops have energy its cannon so just shove a sloop in a hover pack\

[lapis idol]

The only thing that MIGHT actually be implemented here is after you unlock hoverpack you unlock a jet pack that has the ability to hover but it’s much less fuel efficient

[open swallow]

we're not talking cannons here, that's an entirely different mode of transport entirely

[warm dune]

id be fine with that Synistrality

[limpid inlet]

Perfect, my phase 2 completion time was 22 hours

[ocean frost]

just install a mod to make your game better

[warm dune]

im not saying make it like you can fly in cheat mode, make it a huge tradeoff type deal

still requires resources but make it cost way more to make it work

[lapis idol]

Mine was 53 💀

[warm dune]

took me 380 hours to get through all the phases

[limpid inlet]

My old was was 43 hours cuz I spent too much time to actually make the project parts and not move to literally every other obtainable material 😭

[lapis idol]

Mine’s the exact opposite mine is so long because before I started working on it I maxed out my progression in the mam as far as I could all the extra resource trees & then made a silica, quartz crystal, quickwire, AI limiter, & SAM Fluctuator (which I didn’t even have the manufacturer for 💀) before working on phase 2 at all

[novel crag]

an mk1 miner on pure only gives 60?

[reef basin]

no

[bitter lodge]

120

[lapis idol]

120 I think

[novel crag]

why does it say 60 on info

[reef basin]

probably because it isn't pure then

[novel crag]

No i mean the mk1 miner info it says default extaction rate is 60

[reef basin]

yeah that's default, not on pure

[bitter lodge]

that is a normal node

[novel crag]

I am confused

[reef basin]

node purity modifies the extraction rate

[limpid inlet]

the default is normal mines, and a mk1 gives 60

[open swallow]

greeny, just a complete aside, thanks for making a production calculator more robust than satisfactory-calculator's

[bitter lodge]

impure, normal, and pure nodes all have different rate of the resource they give.

[open swallow]

I'm so fucking sick of s-c's

[lapis idol]

yeah default means if it was placed on a normal node, if placed on pure it boosts it by +100% & if on impure -50%

[lapis idol]

Satisfactory planner on steam trumps them all

[novel crag]

So if i placed a mk2 on a normal, the normal will give me 120?

[lapis idol]

I believe so yes

[novel crag]

And if i placed it on a pure it will give 240?

[limpid inlet]

yes

[novel crag]

wtf fr????

[limpid inlet]

yeah

[novel crag]

this is op

[limpid inlet]

goes higher with ||somersloop|| and ||overclock||

[novel crag]

Wait so mk1 on impure should give 60 right?

[limpid inlet]

no

30

[reef basin]

nah, it's pretty normal

[dense violet]

!wikisearch

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=

[dense violet]

!wikisearch miner

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=miner

[novel crag]

impure is 30 mk1 defult is 60 why doesnt it 2x?

[dense violet]

it's on the wiki
it also depends what yo uclock it to

[reef basin]

impure is half, not double

[hardy moat]

Because impure is a lower quality

[lapis idol]

Bro

Yall are confusing him

He means from mk1 to mk2 impure output doubles

[limpid inlet]

yeah

[lapis idol]

Which is true

[open swallow]

He's a non-native english speaker I think... He seems to be from Saudi Arabia

[novel crag]

o so mk2 impure gives 60?

[limpid inlet]

yup

[open swallow]

impure < normal < pure

each produces twice as much as the last on a same miner

[hardy moat]

I missed the message about mk2

[novel crag]

o yeah i see how it works now

[leaden turret]

impure is 0.5x
normal is 1x
pure is 2x

mk.1 is 1x
mk.2 is 2x
mk.3 is 4x

[limpid inlet]

I would kill for mk3 rn

[hardy moat]

Can't wait for mk2 oil/water extraction

[lapis idol]

What phase you in

[novel crag]

ty

[leaden turret]

so mk.3 on impure is 4 * 0.5 = 2x

[limpid inlet]

basically waiting for all my phase 2 project aprts to go to space elevator

[novel crag]

impure mk3 gives?

[bitter lodge]

max 300

[novel crag]

nah like normal

[lapis idol]

Idk if mk2 oil will ever be a thing but I know for SURE there is gonna be a mk2 water extractor, if there isn’t in this next update people are gonna just start looking for mods cause late game water is just too freaking ridiculous, prob t3 pipes too

[reef basin]

honestly if you want all the numbers, just check the wiki link

you have a nice table there and we don't need to answer 20 questions about different combinations 🙂

[novel crag]

I will check it now ty.

[hardy moat]

I feel like if they add it for water they'll do it for oil too

[bitter lodge]

impure is 120 from a mk3

which is tier 8 miner :)

[dense violet]

don't hold your breath

[lapis idol]

Maybe

[open swallow]

i hold my breath a lot. i get lightheaded

my braincells aren't happy

[novel crag]

If i get 240 but my conveyor max is 120, Ill be wasting 120 right ?

[lapis idol]

Dang bro how may factories do you got going that you need mk3 that early on, are you not overclocking your mk2s?

[hardy moat]

How much rocket fuel do you guys think would be worth it for an end game power plant or should I make ionised fuel instead? Debating on using all nodes in blue crater but want a decent plastic/rubber factory too

[limpid inlet]

I have like 4 factories

[open swallow]

endgame factories vastly vary

[limpid inlet]

yeah

[hardy moat]

I mean i got nuclear too

[reef basin]

no, because resources are infinite

[novel crag]

yh this makes it more difficult

[novel crag]

hm?

[hardy moat]

Power flucations aren't tho

[reef basin]

underclocking exists

[limpid inlet]

Technically no waste but also useless cuz 120 of it cant go through at a given time

[reef basin]

you can get the extra 120 at any point after you reserach better belts

[novel crag]

ooo yh thats what i ment

[open swallow]

Depends what you consider a waste. It doesn't go away, it simply doesn't get mined

[unkempt blade]

the only thing that never wastes either power or resources is factory carts

[hardy moat]

Yeah but then he's just producing the 120

[reef basin]

which... isn't an issue?

[bitter lodge]

The miner can output 240, but since your belt speed is only 120. You can only extract 120 at once.
Think of it like pouring water. You may have infinite gallons, but if you can only pour 10 gallons at once. That is the fastest amount you can get.

[lapis idol]

Tbh if your a normal player 50GW is enough for your entire play through so just make a rocket fuel plant for like 60 GW then if you want Ionized fuel for like your jet pack just make one or two of those, atleast that’s my opinion on it cause mass producing enough power shards for a large ionized fuel plant can be a bit of a pain

[lunar python]

!wikisearch minors

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=minors

[dense violet]

for most of the game through the tiers you're belt limited from your miners, get used to it

[dense violet]

they have already been linked to the miner page, it hasn't helped

[limpid inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/aaasdadasdadada-gif-9110106249522303753

[open swallow]

stares at you suspiciously for trying to search up minors

[hardy moat]

FBI OPEN UP

[versed cosmos]

bro is not beating the allegations

[lunar python]

im 17 😁

[open swallow]

ah, okay, it's technically legal then

[hardy moat]

I'm currently using about 150 GW lol

[lapis idol]

💀😂

[limpid inlet]

are there any ideas for what 1.2 will be adding?

[hardy moat]

Water trucks

[open swallow]

liquid trains are already terrible enough

[unkempt blade]

they're fixing liquid mechanics with water trucks

[limpid inlet]

BOOOOOOOOOO!

[hardy moat]

Ye but they look cool

[reef basin]

they are fine

[versed cosmos]

combining how awful moving fluids long distance is with how awful trucks are

[unkempt blade]

synergy!

[hardy moat]

Imagine they they make the fluid trains more useful by reducing the space limit for cargo trains

[reef basin]

why do people think that fluid trains are not useful 🤔

[limpid inlet]

we NEED more biofuel content! 🗣️ 🔥

[versed cosmos]

its better to just package it and move it as solid cargo

[hardy moat]

They're not useless just compared to packaging and transporting and unpacking it's less efficient

Your throughout increases loads

[lapis idol]

Have you seen the video they posted about 1.2 abt fluid trains being like purposefully worse so you have the option to package them which is more production machines but less trains. Honestly I kinda see where they are coming from but also like you can only use that logic when the numbers are small, large scale like endgame that idea breaks down in practice

[unkempt blade]

some people just hate fun

[reef basin]

better how? you spend more energy and space to package it and you still need to bring the canisters back, which usually is done by extra cars, making fluid trains actually better

[reef basin]

see my message above

[lapis idol]

Cargo trains are purposefully better

[reef basin]

(and yes, you can add extra station to load the canisters, or sink them, but it's still tons of effort and resources for very slight increase, not often worth imo)

[unkempt blade]

I do think liquid freight cars are a more interesting comparison than solid freight cards though. Conveyors have no operating cost where as pipes could have at least some power requirement with headlift but maybe not comparable to a running train

but the real reason to use vehicles is because they're more fun that conveyors or pipes

[open swallow]

[citation needed]

I certainly don't find road vehicles very fun to play with in their current state >.>

[shy mulch]

Liquid factory carts - when?

[open swallow]

package them up

[reef basin]

which is fair, everybody has different "fun" parameters, but I'd say they are pretty good in the current state

[shy mulch]

I want to use factory carts to transport factory carts

[open swallow]

I don't see what's stopping you

[oblique wadi]

Well… it’s not exactly that they’re just fun, but they’re extremely useful. I just think it would be very interesting for the game to have some kind of motorcycle or helicopter (not the drone).

[golden nexus]

only thing i would want is trains not to stall when load/unoading. It means the additional buffers you add to every station goes away... its like just make it part of the station...

[shy mulch]

I love everything about the game, including all the weird quirks, 'bugs', oddities, it all adds character to the system. With one exception. Road vehicles. I just find them awkward, imprecise, and unreliable

[golden nexus]

same issue here

[reef basin]

how so?

[shy mulch]

I think you've missed the nuance here. I'm not actually trying to do these things

[open swallow]

Why not? they sound fun

[hard ivy]

Useful... how? Everything trucks can do can be done easier and faster with conveyors

[shy mulch]

Making the routes by driving them. But I can't drive them in perfectly straight and consistent lines. So the routes end up a mess

[leaden turret]

looks at real world vehicles

seems legit

[shy mulch]

And if I make one mistake, start again?

[reef basin]

is there any reason of needing perfectly straight route apart from visual flare? 🤔

[open swallow]

I would vastly enjoy vehicles more if I could tweak nodes' locations

[oblique wadi]

At the start of the game I used about 20 trucks to feed my factory, without needing to run a giant spaghetti line across the whole map. They were super useful for me until I built a railway.

[reef basin]

you can remove nodes

[shy mulch]

My trains go straight, my belts go straight, my pipes go straight, my road vehicles go all over the place. It's messy.

[reef basin]

it's natural 🙂

[golden nexus]

I have alwas been able to skip that section of the game moving to trains first

[oblique wadi]

I was too lazy for trains in the early game.

Once I made my first choo-choo motherf*cker, I never went back

[versed cosmos]

It's easier to run around your factories than to set up trucks lol

At that stage you don't have to transport anything long distance anyway. By the time you are transporting things long distance you're using trains.

[white dawn]

Depends on how you build, of course. And possibly how experienced you are at the game

[wicked nacelle]

Trains feel hard until you realize every alternative is worse

[white dawn]

Personally I'm building all over the place in Phase 2, so I've come to love tractors

[versed cosmos]

Everything seems complex when you're doing it for the first time

I'm all over the place too but I just slide jump everywhere lol

Zipline is also good especially after you get power towers

[white dawn]

Yeah but you can't automate slide-jumping. :)

[native tapir]

You can on steam deck

I did

[white dawn]

I actually continue to use the odd tractor route even well into the late game, though I admit it's more rare by then. Definitely depends on circumstance though

[white dawn]

*as part of an automated production line. :)

[versed cosmos]

I can see it working in tight spaces that aren't so far apart to justify a train