satisfactory

[whole drum]

Asking for a friend...

[white dawn]

Sorry, power shard emoji not found

[mortal ginkgo]

pls no, and no

[gentle lion]

I was thinking here
#screenshots message

[summer quarry]

how do i kill/despawn all explorers/vehicles?

my friend spawned lots of them and theyre in the void

[whole drum]

That's unfortunate. I was hoping to develop an efficient Doggo Express Aerial Delivery™ system to send them to my friends.

Would finally have a use for the jump gel landing pads

[mortal ginkgo]

Well, you can make them bounce on jump pads if thats a relief 😛

[whole drum]

Doesn't cover enough ground tho

[eager pilot]

Yes that’s where I put mine, I can send you a screen shot of oil plant if you want. It’s making turbo fuel and regular fuel. Not sure if I’ll branch out to the other type

[mortal ginkgo]

bounce-chain them

[gentle lion]

Yeah I'd love to see it.

[honest sleet]

so i got a nuclear plant online but somehow made my power issues worse?!

[whole drum]

I wanted an efficient system tho

[minor rock]

with a mod you can

[whole drum]

They really just need to make that a standard graphics setting

You can use a console command to do it. It's the same thing.

[vast wedge]

Hii, do you know Turkish dc

[compact flicker]

You can turn off the map and compass icons, idk if you'll be able to demolish thenlm

[whole drum]

Step 1) Make new save
Step 2) Make new friends

[summer quarry]

make new friends💀

[deft saffron]

i'm so close to finishing phase 5

just ballistic warp drives left

do i go all the way and get every acheivement

[white dawn]

You're probably most of the way there already

Though if you've not been fastidiously generating coupons, the Golden Nut could take awhile

[deft saffron]

i'm at about 400 coupons already

without purposely going for high coupon generation

[whole drum]

I you have automated all the project parts for the final phase, you can then sink them afterward for massive ticket income

[white dawn]

Heh, you might end up surprised by how much time the remaining 600 will take. :D

Though yeah, SE parts are definitely good for coupon generation

[whole drum]

especially the last 200

[white dawn]

Can always cheese it with SCIM, of course

[deft saffron]

SCIM?

[median rain]

Should I turn all my slugs into power shards once I get production amplifier?

[vast wedge]

Türk var mı?

[white dawn]

Map viewer and save editor: https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[white dawn]

Shards are certainly useful to have, and sloops will give you 2x the amount you'd otherwise be able to get from slugs

And the only other use for slugs is as factory decoration, so you may as well

[median rain]

I don't think I'll use them for decoration, but I'll save a few just in case

[white dawn]

You can eventually fully automate shard production, so if you felt like making slug coasters later, you could hang onto some. :)

[median rain]

I do have a lot of slugs I haven't collected yet so I might as well turn them all into shards

[deft saffron]

ah i use this but to see collectibles I haven't gotten and locate resources I may have missed ||thankful for the caterium node I overlooked that is now a slave to the nuclear power||

[whole drum]

They glow at night, so having some running along a conveyor under glass foundation can make your factory look more alive

[median rain]

Yeah, I can collect more later since I didn't collect them all, I'd say I've collected about 50% of them

[median rain]

Also that seems like an amazing idea, I'll keep a note of that

[raw solstice]

Why does the blueprint machine have to *** out all my names?

[zenith pecan]

Eh?, can you post a #screenshots of it?

[raw solstice]

On screen keyboard won't appear in a screen shot.

[marble gulch]

Just finished phase 3

[raw solstice]

I mean I got it to work, I just have to change some words.

I just can't put "per min" or "per minute" in the design name. Or it'll star it out.

[marble gulch]

It's the same with the MK1 pump

When U place it it's censored

[raw solstice]

Weird

[zenith pecan]

Is it console?

[raw solstice]

Nice! Working on that myself

[marble gulch]

Yeah

[raw solstice]

Yeah

[zenith pecan]

That explains it, MS & Sony have a thing about names, I'd never seen such censorship on my pc.

[marble gulch]

Everything else is fine

[zenith pecan]

With them, they are overly aggressive with such censorship, kind of the scuлthorpe problem.

[raw solstice]

Censored on discord though apparently. Lol

[zenith pecan]

Wow, I got a warning explaining the problem, bot, kindly go to hell 🤦‍♂️

[whole drum]

And another notch in the "consoles are a dying breed" belt

[zenith pecan]

🙁

[whole drum]

Personally I've felt they were a terrible value proposition after the PS4 ended

But if I'm honest, they may even have been back then

[zenith pecan]

Forgive the cyrillic л , but I really dispise censorship where it is NOT offensive.

[cunning lily]

Heavy Modular Frame Factory

[raw solstice]

Gaming itself started to decline when streaming became mainstream.

[glad quest]

censorship?

[zenith pecan]

Damned bot edited my perfectly valid and inoffensive comment without permission or recourse, I don't allow for that ever.

[whole drum]

I don't even care if it's offensive. I think censorship is only valid when the name/speech is illegal.

[glad quest]

bro i personally think u should be able to say whatever u want and also get punched for what u say

[zenith pecan]

Fair enough.

[glad quest]

like if someone wants to be racist to me they can but i should also be able to smack them

[whole drum]

Non-grievous, non-lethal force

[glad quest]

short from content users trying to not say unalive when their brother kills themselves or say acoustic or censor the word gun or shoot bro just say it

[glad quest]

yeah u most likely wont die to me smacking you

[zenith pecan]

Having two keyboard character sets has been handy for me doing that, I just apologise to those who can read cyrillic seeing me butcher language such as л (L) in place of a n 🤣

[whole drum]

I think pain is a useful teacher. Just don't leave any permanent injury.

[glad quest]

voilence isnt the answer however it can be used to teach u feel me like i shouldnt resort to voilence immediatly but if someone is being ingorant then a smack or even knocking them out will teach them

[whole drum]

No hospitalization either

[glad quest]

true

[south sinew]

the problem with punching people is that you can never know how much punch leads to any significant injury

therefore I'd say physical violence is just wrong

[whole drum]

One way to find out 😏

[glad quest]

thats why i say smack for the most part tho if someone is being abusive or voilent they deserve it esp if they have been asked multiple times to stop

[south sinew]

also same way to result in legal consequences

[zenith pecan]

Seeing the mixed characters does still confuse me when I initially see it though, Ш (Sh) in place of a W and replacing R with Я (Ya) , horrific examples on new faux cyrillic if you dare 😛

[glad quest]

thats one of the things wrong with society alot of pricks havent ever had rll consquences for their actions

[shell lava]

Can anybody help me?

[glad quest]

sure

[shell lava]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1444375912710803629

[whole drum]

I think it's fair that low level force could be a way to hold people accountable for their behavior, but on the same note you can face consequences for excessive force

[south sinew]

I don't inherently object to consequences, but they need to be carefully considered and applied, and also legal

[whole drum]

It's accountability either way

[south sinew]

going around smacking people you don't like is none of those things

[whole drum]

It's not just for not liking them

[glad quest]

yeah and if i do something too far i should be held responsible

[whole drum]

It can't be unprovoked

[glad quest]

should never kill unless in self defence

[zenith pecan]

How did the conversation shift to killing, in a factory building discord.

[glad quest]

lol

[whole drum]

But if you truly want a non-violent society, you have to start criminalizing provocation/instigation

And that isn't something we have

[glad quest]

personally i believe that a non voilent society is impossible

as then u would have to ban anger

[whole drum]

I don't think it's good

[glad quest]

only way to do it would be VERY opressive

[south sinew]

speak for yourself; here you can definitely go to jail for instigation

[whole drum]

Exactly

[glad quest]

the governments r sooo quick to jail ppl i swear

[south sinew]

I agree that we are too quick to jail people, but jail is preferable to randomly punching people

[glad quest]

i disagree its cheaper to punch someone than to feed them and have accomdation for however long

[whole drum]

Taro is right, though. We should probably move this to #off-topic-general or DMs if we want to continue

[south sinew]

it's also a good way to accidentally murder people

[glass pagoda]

Just Finnished adding signs as a light trim to one of my factorys

[glad quest]

send a screenshot

[glass pagoda]

Alr

It's my first time doing that

[glad quest]

fair enough

[zenith pecan]

I use signs as full light arrays 🙂

[glass pagoda]

I need to climb my latter then jump off to reach it

It takes 12 mins to reach the top but only about 4 to get to that factory

[glad quest]

how tall is it

[glass pagoda]

Almost build hight

Higher then the low platform of space elevator

[zenith pecan]

Here's how I do lighting these days #design-and-architecture message , three types of array, seven colours.

[glass pagoda]

Wowwie

I'll send a screenshot when I reach the top

[zenith pecan]

👍

[glass pagoda]

#screenshots message

[zenith pecan]

Long way up!

[dawn path]

QUICK question
how big are billboards again 🙃 (large and "small")
im asking because i cant afford to unlock them nor build them yet but i still wanna plan for using them in my current design

[short kite]

Guys, anyone knows a bug with parachute that when you lean against walls with a certain angles while using a parachute

You can fly

[glass pagoda]

This is about where I jump off to go to my factory in the dune dessert

Im near the abyss pillars to put that in prospecti

[zenith pecan]

The small billboard is 4 metres by 8 metres (I use two facing down inside a glass foundation for light) the large billboards I actually don't know, I don't use them.

[glass pagoda]

Im lagging from all the land loading in

Almost at the top

[glad quest]

no

[glass pagoda]

@zenith pecan did it #screenshots message

[zenith pecan]

I'm glad my tallest factories are still a little below 1km above sea level 🤣

[glad quest]

u could of used a hypertube cannon btw

[glad quest]

mines 200m lol

[zenith pecan]

I've done that!

[glad quest]

i just used cheats lol

[zenith pecan]

Here's an example #satisfactory-experimental message

[glass pagoda]

This was harder so I did it This way and now ada said my contract will be terminated

Aka I will be terminated if I do that again

[glad quest]

she cant terminate me (im schitzo she isnt real)

[glass pagoda]

Wake up

[glad quest]

I AM AWAKE AND THERES BUGS IN MY SKIN (i took preworkout (side effect is irritation of the skin))

[glass pagoda]

Anyways im going to the coin in coin tree forest now

[glad quest]

wheres that

[glass pagoda]

Look at the satisfactory map

Its a perfect circle in the middle of a forest with no water besides the coin and the tree is guarded by tons of alpha mobs

Near blue crater

[glad quest]

oh i know the place

didnt know it had a name tho lol

[glass pagoda]

Everything has a name

[glad quest]

rlly/

more u know ig

[glass pagoda]

Every major place

[white dawn]

Yeah, that was introduced awhile ago; CSS doesn't seem to be in a rush to patch that out. Will presumably continue to be in the game. :)

[glass pagoda]

For example the crator lakes

[white dawn]

One of the reasons why the parachute is A+

[cunning lily]

How far can I expect to get with a hypertube cannon?

[whole drum]

Yeah, if you glide against an uphill surface that leads away from you, you will fly up it

[whole drum]

Orbit

[cunning lily]

KSP INTENSIFIES

From grasslands to west oil marsh, by chance?

[whole drum]

Easy

Can go anywhere

[cunning lily]

Poifect 👌

[white dawn]

It's quite easy to make one which is "too powerful.". You can get basically anywhere, if you decide to use them

Usual first-cannon experience is to get tossed straight into the death border. :)

[cunning lily]

Looool

How many entrances is typical?

[whole drum]

Build one in the center of the map that launches to each of the 8 main compass directions, then build return tubes on the other side

[unkempt blade]

the trick is to never touch the keyboard while you flying so when you splat the first time you can go back out there and make a landing pad on top of your corpse

[south sinew]

landing pads suck ass, never build them

[unkempt blade]

You just don't like anything fun. Are you sure this is the right game for you?

[south sinew]

I like hypercannons

[white dawn]

For a cross-map cannon I seem to think maybe 12-13? Though I don't really build them hardly at all, so maybe I'm remembering wrong

[whole drum]

Gravity can be fun...

[compact flicker]

And you're supposed to land how?

[whole drum]

12 is pretty strong

[south sinew]

use jetpack or parachute

[unkempt blade]

crutches for the people too weak to use landing pads

[whole drum]

Or their knees

[south sinew]

eh

landing pads are just expensive, inflexible, and hard to land on because the game isn't very deterministic, parachutes help you a lot everywhere for very low cost and way more convenient

[white dawn]

If you're doing one which is designed to get you specifically from A -> B, U-Jelly pads are the usual way to land safely

So long as you enter the cannon with the same speed each time, they're highly predictable

[whole drum]

if you don't enter input during flight, it's pretty deterministic

[unkempt blade]

I mostly just use cannons earlier game and build out boostered tube routes along my roads as I expand ex: #screenshots message

[white dawn]

But as others have said, you can also use jetpack/parachute to alter your course and slow you down, etc. Some folks like just launching into the air and then parachuting to the final destination

When I build 'em (which is rare) I usually prefer the A -> B route where I plop into a U-Jelly pad, but opinions vary. :D

[compact flicker]

Especially if you have a conveyor on the entrance so you always have the same speed :3

[whole drum]

Or forgetting to deploy their parachute to their final destination

[south sinew]

even with no-input flight you're often approaching the tube from slightly different angles, speeds, etc which can send you to different places

[unkempt blade]

cannon + jetpack can be fun for exploration stuff but I don't like needing to be fully engaged when it's just repetitive travel back and forth

[white dawn]

Also remember that it's only vertical motion which will cause damage; you can splat yourself up against a wall at the end with no ill effects. :)

[white dawn]

IME experience it's easy to get an essentially-completely-deterministic path

[south sinew]

I sort of agree but that's why I generally use boostered tubes instead for infrastructure as well

[white dawn]

Like I literally never failed to hit my landing spot directly on the two that I built on my U8 save

[unkempt blade]

just don't touch the keyboard once you're in the HT cannon and you're there

[white dawn]

Yeah

[whole drum]

The main reason I don't use jelly pads is that I don't generally use the tubes to go to a predetermined place--I use them as a vector for an area I want to get to

[white dawn]

(Also need to ensure you enter the first entrance at the same speed, so just, like, make sure you know if you're walking or sprinting, etc.)

But yeah, different strokes for different folks

I still prefer nice leisurely passenger-train journeys. :D

[unkempt blade]

conveyor sidewalk leading to the entrance for MAXIMUM determinism 😆

[white dawn]

Cannons take me out of it too much; the map just doesn't look great when you're that high, and watching the game hitch and load in chunks as you zoom through zones just isn't pleasurable to me

I don't like it when you can see the boundaries so clearly. I like remaining immersed. :)

(Though that's obvs a very personal-preference argument. :)

[unkempt blade]

it needs some huge scary space monsters around the ground level of the skybox

then you can get that old timey sea serpents on the map vibe going but in space

[white dawn]

Maybe the manta reflexively chases after and consumes anything moving so quickly in the air? :D

[cunning lily]

Please this

[hallow crow]

has anyone seen the guy who is remaking satisfactory in minecraft?

polartt

[glad quest]

why just play sf lol

[hallow crow]

its kinda cool

[compact flicker]

Monies

[pliant smelt]

That seems just like tekkit, the old mc mod

[glad quest]

minecraft is unoptimsed asf it wouldnt be able to render all the items needed

[hallow crow]

no like, REMAKING it

[compact flicker]

Roblox has a SatisFactory clone too

[hallow crow]

hes making a new map and stuff

[pliant smelt]

It's not very good though , neither of the 2 main ones

[hallow crow]

just go watch his 2 videos on it so far you will understand what i mean

[hallow crow]

well if you mean industrialist i think thats more a clone of factorio

[uneven path]

People simply refuse to live without the Create mod 🤣

[hallow crow]

so true

[pliant smelt]

I remember when minecraft was just blocks, god I'm getting old

[compact flicker]

Yeah they don't compare, but I probably wouldn't have gotten SatisFactory if they didn't get me hooked on the genera

Like a rly crappy demo lol

[glad quest]

mc uses one core no matter however many u have it will run awfully afer a certain size

[hallow crow]

actually they are fixing java

[summer quarry]

the factory cart the moment you leave foundations:

https://tenor.com/view/şşşüüüüşşş-gif-27139933

[hallow crow]

they are making the vibrant visuals update for minecraft, but they are having to rewrite alot of the engine to make it multi-threaded, rendering on one thread the rest on the other

[pliant smelt]

Honestly yea I'm the same, once you get into factory type games there's no stopping it

[hallow crow]

so basically in other words, they are optimising java

so ye

[compact flicker]

Am I the only one that feels the SatisFactory map would make a really good ARK map?

[glad quest]

holy peak its got the most spaghetti code of all time

like ong it has some of the worst coding of all time

[hallow crow]

:p

[glad quest]

well w11 is worse but thats not a game sooo

[hallow crow]

it does, i think it was cuz notch made that?

[white dawn]

Huh, I'd've assumed that Minecraft code would've been pretty decent by now, even if it did start out pretty spaghetti

[glad quest]

most def not they just dump stuff ontop its why its runs sooo badly

[compact flicker]

Its probably worse than my first large factory

[white dawn]

Huh, go figure

[hallow crow]

they kinda didnt really refine java, they only really made bedrock made then stopped trying to optimise java, but now they have to

[hazy bane]

yo do i need to pay for xbox live just to play multiplayer on xbox?

[hallow crow]

java was like the middle child lol

[glad quest]

yh tbf he made it as a project i dont think anyone foresaw it becoming this large

[white dawn]

I did play Minecraft for awhile way back in the Alpha days, and enjoyed it, but I've been out of it for ages now; haven't really kept up

[white dawn]

Ah, I suppose, makes sense. I am still surprised that they've continued to support two separate codebases, honestly

[hallow crow]

it got most of bedrock updates, just not much attention

[hallow crow]

they wouldnt dare not support it, most of the mc playerbase is modding, and thats only really accessable with java

[glad quest]

its cuz java doesnt work on xbox

the coding language

[hallow crow]

thats why they didnt encrypt any of javas functions unlike bedrock which got encrypted

[gentle lion]

Ok i ran power fromy coal factory over to the oil on the north west area , do 8 need to unlock the fluid packaging to.be able to do something woth the residual fuel? I ran it in one of the fluid buffers for now

#screenshots message

[compact flicker]

With the kind of attention bedrock gets, I think Java players would prefer it this way lol

[glad quest]

add water and make fuel

[hallow crow]

cuz now only people that work with microsoft can get the translation key for bedrock modding

[primal obsidian]

you can turn it into fuel with no alts

[glad quest]

bedrock is scumming full of microtransactions

[hallow crow]

mhm

thats why i refuse to play it

[white dawn]

Well, nowadays there's plenty of ways to compile Java into "pure" executables and such. I'm sure they could do it if they really wanted to. (GraalVM and such.) But I'm sure they much prefer working on the non-Java codebase, in the end

[gentle lion]

Can it be stored without packaging ? Or doni need to unlock the power part of teir 5 to make use of.the fuel

[glad quest]

they r lazy dont forget its microsft we are talking about (game killer)

[compact flicker]

If you run it into another refinery you can make a few things.

Once you get fluid packaging I recommend using it to make fuel for your jetpack :3

[primal obsidian]

yes use the default recipe and turn it into fuel and then fuel gens

[hallow crow]

btw i did post a screenshot of the guy making satisfactory here #screenshots message

[white dawn]

Yeah, Fuel Gens and Packaging are separate Milestone unlocks

When you first get access to make Fuel, there's really not a lot you can do with it

Though I think those extra unlocks are just a little bit of Plastic production away, so they're not difficult to get to

[hallow crow]

100% they would rather work on the one that is riddled with micro-transactions

[white dawn]

Yeah, 200 Plastic for packaging, and then 200 Plastic+200 Rubber for power generation

But if you're spinning up your first oil processing stuff before you've got those, not much point in producing Fuel just yet

(Though doing a temporary setup just to get those unlocks might well be worth it)

[gentle lion]

I just unlocked jetpack 😂 I'll go back to base and start the power and pachagong ones. Just need to make rubber off one of the other oil spots here I have all the other parts for those two things in tier 5

[glad quest]

the lastest updates r legit skin changes on trees or some bumass animal with no use

like add a end update pllzzzzz i beg mods have done it thousands of times surely microsoft can do more than retexture a grassblock and call it the weeping woods

[gentle lion]

After I get those unlocked I'll bring some more material to make some foundation to make.it all nice and neat lol

Wow thag area has 3 pure 3 normal and 2 impure oil spots.

[primal obsidian]

if you want the most power from one node you can get some really good alts for fuel and oil residue

[marble gulch]

Any1 know any websites to design factories?

(I mean like what needs to be produced etc..)

[primal obsidian]

Satisfactory tools

satisfactory modeller if you want something on steam

[white dawn]

The most-often recommended solver/calculator is generally https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production, though others exist. A popular app for modelling/planning factories is Satisfactory Modeler, which is available on Steam

[marble gulch]

Okay tysm

[white dawn]

(They're two very different apps, with different goals in mind. sftools is there for "I want x/min of Resource Y, give me the plan," whereas Modeller is for building stuff up one bit at a time yourself. Some folks like using both; sftools as a starting point and Modeller afterwards)

(Personally I still like just doing my planning/modelling right inside the game itself, but Modeller is undeniably quite popular. :)

[hazy bane]

yo do i need to pay for xbox live just to play multiplayer on xbox?

[wicked nacelle]

Online multiplayer on console requires Xbox Game Pass Essential, Premium, or Ultimate (subscriptions sold separately).

can't post the link but that's the satisfactory xbox page

[hallow crow]

since when in the hell is satisfactory on console

[wicked nacelle]

since like a couple weeks ago

[hallow crow]

is it cross-Play?

[whole drum]

I mostly agree with this, but I have such a hard time sticking to Factorio

[wicked nacelle]

cross console

not pc/console

[whole drum]

Probably for the best since PC players would hate having console hosts 😄

[mild kernel]

Question for y'all balancer enjoyers: How do you prefer your inputs/outputs?

all horizontal? all vertical? staggered? (1 per row/column), or something in between?

[hazy bane]

bruh

i'm sticking to steam

[gentle lion]

How do you get the oil thats shooting out of the ground ?

[hazy bane]

oil extractor

[whole drum]

Keep advancing tiers and you unlock it

[eager pilot]

I dm’d you

[gentle lion]

Lol I'm out of parts lol that why it wouldn't let me

[compact flicker]

Oil extractor is for the normal oil veins, the one with several nodes and cracks connecting them needs the well pressurizer, which is unlocked later on.

[short kite]

Anyone knows what new splitter or merger in quartz mam tree does?

[south sinew]

that's priority merger right?

[compact flicker]

Smart splitter lets you set filters for outputs, like overflow, specific items, or undefined items. Very nice for sushi belts or awesome sinking excess.

Programmable splitter does the same thing, except you can give 64 filters (I think) instead of 1 per output.

Priority merger lets you give certain inputs priority (low, medium, high) so if you have input belts that total more than the output belt can handle, it will pull pull fron your higher priority inputs first instead of 33/33/33

@short kite Hope this helps :3

[remote hawk]

how do i bring a node to another with belts, making it clean

[gentle lion]

I ahve enough stuff to unlock the x2 prod in mam...but then I'm out of sloops lol

Gotta go find more.

[unkempt blade]

the answer is factory carts and ditch the belts

[remote hawk]

im at phase 1

not even phase one

im new

[unkempt blade]

oh then quit worrying about making it looks super nice 😄

just make it work to start

[remote hawk]

btw i just got mk2 conveyors, how should i use them?

[wicked nacelle]

seriously your first goal is to get all the buildings built and just learn the game. don't worry about pretty

[unkempt blade]

the same as mk1 conveyors but where you want twice as much stuff

[wicked nacelle]

you use them when your miner can pull out more than 60 ore per minute

because the rate you get ore is whichever is LOWER of your miner and your belts

[remote hawk]

now i gotta automake rotors

are 2 nodes fine?

[unkempt blade]

You're probably better off just playing the game for a while. Most of it isn't super complicated

[wicked nacelle]

however many nodes you need to make what you want is the right number 🙂

[remote hawk]

cuz i used 4 nodes for reinforced iron plates

[wicked nacelle]

look for the glowy slugs and make sure you build a MAM and start unlocking stuff in there. The Blade Runners in the quartz tree are a HUGE quality of life improvment

and the slugs can make your miners mine WAY faster (if your belts can keep up)

[remote hawk]

Blade runners???

[wicked nacelle]

yes, build a mam and look for quartz deposits and research it 🙂

maek sure you're doing mam unlocks not just HUB unlocks

[unkempt blade]

yeah they work just like the movie

[remote hawk]

what movie

[wicked nacelle]

...presumablh "Blade Runner" 😛

[unkempt blade]

you should quit playing right now and go watch Blade Runner

it's important for context in this game

[wicked nacelle]

but no, the biggest thing is they let you jump high enough that you can build stuff much more easily

[remote hawk]

what do they do

just make you faster?? or like fly

i got quartz at 1k meters

[unkempt blade]

blade fliers make you fly blade runners make you run

[hard ivy]

Run faster and jump higher

[white dawn]

Yeah, the jump height especially feels really huge. It's always a shock to go back to pre-blade-runners

Can't even jump over a pipe placed "regularly" on a foundation without blade runners

[unkempt blade]

you're supposed to slide under pipes the way CSS intended!

[south sinew]

as long as it's not the way HTML intended

[sudden flint]

ok

so it seems that manifolds are the singular viable option for any sufficiently advanced production line...

but the spin-up time is both frustrating and stressful

you can't tell if anything's wrong until sometimes literal hours into the line being up and running...

[wicked nacelle]

that's a choice you make for yourself. As long as you did the basic math right they will always work. and if you were slightly off, it's not a huge deal. you just notice it later and then change it

[sudden flint]

Huge time machine licker?

[sterile blade]

That's the fun of choice: you can choose what pros and cons you get (low wait, long design/big footprint VS long wait, simple design/small footprint

[hard ivy]

You can handfill them or use smart splitters so they fill faster

[sudden flint]

Oh right

I forgot about those!

[wicked nacelle]

smart splitters make it start a bit faster but not drastically faster

[unkempt blade]

or just build what you think will work and go unlock a couple drives then come back and see if it actually worked

[sudden flint]

hahahaha

funny thing about that, I have like 7 extra drives and somehow unlocked all the alts available in tier 2 space elevator XD

[wicked nacelle]

did you select all the options? If they're just in your library then they lock stuff out but when hou select one the other goes back into the pool so you can keep researching

[sudden flint]

yeah

[wicked nacelle]

but you may want to keep the drives around anyhow for more valuable later recipes after your next space elevator load

[sudden flint]

the literal machine says can't scan no alts left to find

[wary perch]

It’s always a shock that I can’t put other liquids in my coffee cup

[sudden flint]

it's so funny lol

[wicked nacelle]

yes but that can happen if you just have all the alts sitting around waiting for selections, too

[sudden flint]

....?

all of the alts are in my library

[wicked nacelle]

like if you literally never picked an alt and were end game you'd only actually be half way done researching hard drives when you got that error

[sudden flint]

I have steel rotors

encased pipes

[wicked nacelle]

yep, okay.

[sudden flint]

solid steel
cast screws

iron pipe stitched plate

[wicked nacelle]

if you go to the mam and then the "recipe library" tab or whtever it is, if that's empty then absolutely you're done. you got it 🙂 I've met some people that don't pick them and they'd see the same message so that's why I asked

[sudden flint]

basically all the especially good stuff early game

I'm so confused what's your point?
what are you meaning?

[wicked nacelle]

you're doing great -- it doesn't matter what I was talking about for you 🙂

[sudden flint]

🤙

hang loose

steel screws any good for anything?

[south sinew]

they're not bad for certain recipes that require a ton of screws per sec

[wicked nacelle]

if you need to make a lot of screws quickly, then they're fine. I don't use them because I'd likely rather have the steel for steel stuff. I usually just use cast screws for everything

[hard ivy]

I'd say no because there's not a single situation in which it'd want to make screws. I only make them because I have to, and by the time I have steel, I no longer do

[summer swift]

Anybody else having their boomboxes bug?

[wicked nacelle]

sorry I never use them so no

[summer swift]

Music stops part way through a song

[fluid sapphire]

Screw hater gang unite

[last tartan]

satisfactory voice channels when??

[hard ivy]

Never

[summer swift]

and now it wont play any other song on any other track

[wicked nacelle]

probably not on this server. you can always make a group call with whoever you want to talk to - this server is about having conversation for everyone to see

[hard ivy]

I don't particularly hate them. The recipes that use them are just shit

I have no reason to want to make them

[wicked nacelle]

once you have iron wire and other alt recipes your options open up for sure. But before that they are helpful for keeping all-iron production

[mortal ginkgo]

ARE WE TALKING ABOUT SCREWS?! OH DEAR ME LET ME JOIN IN

[wicked nacelle]

come back with 3 of your friends and THEN you can talk

[open swallow]

Cast screws are the best recipe

[mortal ginkgo]

Funny you assume I have friends. I kek.

[mortal ginkgo]

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Shots blown!

[wicked nacelle]

if you had one friend you'd be normal... but 3 friends would be PURE 🙂

[open swallow]

dies of psychic damage

[mortal ginkgo]

I am trying my best ok?!

You guys are too harsh towards impure nodes imho.

[sweet light]

ehh

[open swallow]

Every little bit counts. I don't cast aside impure nodes

[mortal ginkgo]

wow, its been 20 years that I didn't see your profile picture. brings back memories

[hard ivy]

One of the worst 5 imo

[primal obsidian]

best recipie in the game is portable miner i dont know what i would do if i couldnt craft those

[brazen coral]

I have a question for multiplayer... If one person creates a blueprint either on mk I -III is it available to all who play? Or just the host

[marble gulch]

Bauxite worst enemy.

[wicked nacelle]

yeah I forget. The answer used to be you only but it may have changed

https://www.reddit.com/r/satisfactory/comments/1jmmlcp/blueprint_sharing_w_multiplayer/ from 8 months ago says they're not auto-shared

but you can easily load it in a blueprint machine and then the other person can save it from that machine

[brazen coral]

Haven't been able to play multiplayer yet so not certain, epic store being annoying and not giving access to friends list

[sudden flint]

Screw you! You only make like 20 concrete per minute at best!

[brazen coral]

But ok gtk

[mortal ginkgo]

ok buddy, without me you would have 20 concrete per minute LESS!

Maybe you should be THANKFUL?!?!?!?!

[wicked nacelle]

oh wait.. other stuff says if the server has the blueprint then people can all share it. so I don't know

[sudden flint]

I don't even bother. I look around for even one purity better and leave you to exist in unused squalor.

[primal obsidian]

waste managment plant has backlog im gonna go overclock a random blender

[wicked nacelle]

I will usually use an impure if there's at least 1 other around. Otherwise the infrastructure just in't worth building

[brazen coral]

Yeah I was thinking you could access it if you're not the host and it would be available to share

[young scroll]

why is it so hard to find a dedicated server 😔

[sudden flint]

So, y'all know this place? 4 pure Iron, 2 pure Copper, 1 pure Limestone, and some quartz and caterium nearby?
where do y'all build yous factories? there's no room.... #screenshots message

[young scroll]

there should be a separate channel/forum for server advertising or something

idk

i already sent message in 3 threads and still no luck

[brazen coral]

Also, if I were to start a new game, how long do you think it would take to actually get up to phase 4? Rough estimate how many hours?

[sudden flint]

playing it smart? probably 3ish hours

[primal obsidian]

what

ohhh im not making enough silica ohh that makes sense

[brazen coral]

I mean now that I know where most of everything is at, I can certainly do that fairly quickly

Or at least a better location to start at

[primal obsidian]

i can dm you the server im playing on if you want phase 4

[brazen coral]

I play console so I don't get servers rip

[young scroll]

sure

[pine patrol]

my new copper refinement is gonna make 2800 ingots A MINUTE

[primal obsidian]

how many nodes

[meager kiln]

If I'm just going for a game completion... How much do you guys blueprint ? So far I did like 1 2 4 assembler, smelter , foundry, constructor .all with mk1 belts.

[pine patrol]

1 pure

[meager kiln]

Not sure if people do entire blocks or like black box say like motors or

[primal obsidian]

nice

[wicked nacelle]

is that a belt limit? because pure copper gives 3000/m from a pure node

[pine patrol]

just the water i need to setup for it to work rn

[pine patrol]

im using the pure copper recipe

[wicked nacelle]

pretty sure it's 2.5:1

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch copper ingot

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=copper+ingot

[wicked nacelle]

yeah you should be getting 3000/m from mk3 250% mk6

[pine patrol]

I forgot to add the last few refinerys

[wicked nacelle]

🙂

[pine patrol]

i have 30 i need 32

i think

[wicked nacelle]

sounds right

93.75/refinery

yep exactly 32

[pine patrol]

yup

the water is gonna be HELL

[wicked nacelle]

no it's actually nice on water -- at least for the number of refineries

or you just mean distance?

[mortal ginkgo]

Dont worry, we are getting mk69 pipes in 1.2, can confirm, 100% legit

[wicked nacelle]

finally people will stop whining about screws 🙂

[pine patrol]

My thing is right over water its just like just outa reach of 1 mk 2 pump

[wicked nacelle]

I have faith that you can manage the resources to make.... 2 mk2 pumps 😛

[mortal ginkgo]

in 1.2 patch pipes will be able to carry screws. Problem fixed 100%

[pine patrol]

its annoying but i just did the math and its only 800pm

water that is

[wicked nacelle]

isn't 32 pure copper OC refineries just 320 water?

[pine patrol]

32x25 is 800

[wicked nacelle]

dang yes. confused per cycle with per minute

[pine patrol]

lol

i only need 3 OC water extracs wow

i could prob get away with 2 oc extracs on each side

i just realized my pipe is wiggly tf

#screenshots message

[brazen coral]

How big is the mk III blueprint?

[umbral flame]

uhm so i must have skipped a part, what to i do with heavy oil residue to make power?? its building up in my system i thought i just feed it into the machines

[fading whale]

6x6 foundations. So 48x48 meters.

[pine patrol]

48x48x48

[pine patrol]

turn it into fuel from theee you can upgrade it to turbo fuel or put it into fuel gens

[pine patrol]

residual fuel in the refinery

you can also turn it to petroleum fuel

[pine patrol]

petroleum coke*

[brazen coral]

Should regular fuel be crafted into turbo fuel and how quickly does it burn on the generators?

[gentle lion]

Anyone have a basic layout for oil into rubber , plastic , fuel, packaged biofuel? Etc

I have access to 2 pure and 2 normal nodes.oil nodes

[sudden flint]

#screenshots message

[pine patrol]

depends if you have it and your power needs

[deft ruin]

if anyone can check my help post, cannot launch satisfactory

[pine patrol]

#1038092680493801533

[deft ruin]

I asked to check it, not to tell me where it is

[buoyant veldt]

Is rocket fuel a gas? And if I understand it correctly gasses don't worry about headlift or downpush, right?

[compact flicker]

Yes and yes

[brazen coral]

Right now I only have one assembly making compacted coal so it is limited to that at the moment but how much can one refinery process?

[pine patrol]

yes its a gas and yes your correct

[buoyant veldt]

Awesome. That's so helpful because it means I can put my generators on a second level instead of just sprawling out everywhere.

[compact flicker]

Exactly:3

[pine patrol]

!wikisearch turbo fuel

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=turbo+fuel

[fluid sapphire]

Even if it was a liquid, pumps exist

[brazen coral]

Right now I'm trying to make it past phase 3, and for that I need more power but not certain how much yet

[pine patrol]

Holy

everyone just go to #1038092680493801533

[umbral flame]

nah

its a forum channel, usually they get no attention

[buoyant veldt]

Yeah but those take space and a power connection and I frankly prefer not to deal with those unless I need to.

[hardy moat]

Honestly, make more power than you need and then you need less for phase 4

[mortal ginkgo]

Well it got the classic Linux Enjoyer, not really enjoying playing games.

[reef basin]

yet you should go there if you have a question

[buoyant veldt]

And if you just make a blueprint for a ton of batteries, then stack it a bunch, before you know it you'll have 10x more power stored than you're using.

[mortal ginkgo]

questions are fine here too, I think that thread section is needed for big matters mostly, like rails, pipe issues and how important impure limestones are

[white dawn]

I agree that's usually the case on a lot of Discord servers, but #1038092680493801533 is generally quite well monitored and responded to on this server

[hardy moat]

Yeah just keep stacking n stacking

[white dawn]

And the chances of a question getting buried with no (or no useful) responses are quite low. (Quite a bit better than in here, in fact)

[reef basin]

it's for any question that requires more than a single simple answer, and for any question that has images attached

[limpid inlet]

is phase 3 hard at all or nah?

[hardy moat]

No offence guys but what else would you be talking about in a satisfactory server other than satisfactory?

[buoyant veldt]

Plus if you then install a power switch, it can basically make you immune to blown fuses becoming a problem.

[mortal ginkgo]

talk about limestone nodes, especially important ones! (impure)

[reef basin]

well, "hard" depends on how experienced you are 🤷

every new phase gets more complex and introduces more production lines, but the core gameloop stays the same

[pine patrol]

Okay if your question is less than like 2 sentences i dont mind answering anymore go to #1038092680493801533

[hardy moat]

Yeah i done this when I decided I wanted to completely re-do my power station for rocket fuel instead of turbo and I had soooo much stored then just flipped the switch when it was done

Like a lil jump start

[brazen coral]

Currently I have eight generators powering everything all overclocked, so whatever 625* 8 is that's how much overall power I have right now

[buoyant veldt]

That is literally exactly what I'm doing right now! Except I'm skipping the turbo step because I never needed it.

[reef basin]

what generator? 🤔

[brazen coral]

Fuel

[hardy moat]

Yeah i dunno why I spent so long on turbo fuel

[reef basin]

yeah, I'd skip the TF branch (TF, RF, IF) as well

[fading whale]

And I am also working on TF right this moment 😄

[hardy moat]

I decided to make a nuclear power plant and its so long 😭 all for like an extra 150MW

[fading whale]

Mostly just because.

[brazen coral]

Right now I think I'm only doing turbo fuel to make the turbo rifle rounds

Because I think nuclear got me beat after I get that

[hardy moat]

I'm thinking of changing my rocket fuel plant around and adding some ionised fuel for my jet pack cos why not

[pine patrol]

TF i do use i think is fine but RD and IF really should only be used for jetpack

[reef basin]

I personally see no point in "upgrading" the diluted fuel setup, that one will get me to nuclear easily

[fluid sapphire]

You don't really need a dedicated setup for that, you can siphon some off temporarily, a couple of containers will last you a very, very long time

[hardy moat]

Oh, ngl never used it before so was curious

[buoyant veldt]

I'm going to try to go as far as possible without using nuclear power. It just seems way too complex for me, which is also part of why I am scared of bauxite and I'm doing rocket fuel first.

[hardy moat]

The best tip I seen for bauxite, is the turn the water output into wet concrete and sink it, life's so much easier

[reef basin]

that's like the worst tip lol

[tall lantern]

best tip for bauxite is to split into two sets of refineries, one running of fresh water and one off waste

[hardy moat]

What's the best tip

[mortal ginkgo]

brother at least use the wet concrete on steel production kek

[reef basin]

reuse it

[white dawn]

Best tip for bauxite is to buy your sheets + casings from the AWESOME Shop

[reef basin]

no reason to sink water

[hardy moat]

I mean it's unlimited

[mortal ginkgo]

Okay buddy. Time for timeout. You are now forbidden to write in this server for 69 seconds.

[reef basin]

why waste power and limestone and effort to sink it, if you can reuse it in the same production line?

[mortal ginkgo]

if you dont care about minmaxxing, anything goes, no worries.

Limestone is everywhere, especially if you tap into impure ones too!

[reef basin]

time isn't everywhere tho

[mortal ginkgo]

are we on a timer?

[reef basin]

you're building extra things and extra processes

[mortal ginkgo]

brotherman, who needs to hurry.

[reef basin]

most people don't have 24/7 free time for gaming

[hardy moat]

I mean this too but I don't need concrete on every factory

I like my stuff modular

[mortal ginkgo]

so they don't need to? lol

sometimes figuring out pipe stuff is also a time waster

[white dawn]

For myself I'm always of the "send it back to an earlier step" crowd, though in the end if someone does want to just dump it to Wet Concrete, they're gonna be fine with that too. I wouldn't categorize that as the "best" approach, though. :D

[mortal ginkgo]

it isn't, but who cares, let them do it

[white dawn]

(Although to be fair I'd stop slightly short of calling my own preferences the "best" solution either. :D)

[hardy moat]

It just feels buggy to me, every time I set the water to the exact amount I need and match the output it still blocks so I thought meh, sink it

[white dawn]

Oh sure, just playing semantics in re: "best" at this point, personally. :D

[fading whale]

What's the easiest way to nudge something 0,25 m ?

[mortal ginkgo]

its not your fault (despite what loud minority states). Pipes are wack in this game.

[fluid sapphire]

You can do sloppy alumina and pure aluminum ingots and use the waste water to make other pure ingots, like iron or copper, this generates a decent chunk of extra work, but eliminates all complexity entirely

You can later use the iron for whatever, it's pretty versatile, from copper you can make copper powder, which you will need anyway

[pine patrol]

just finished it

[white dawn]

If you do have problems sending the liquid back and want to get it to work, a #1038092680493801533 thread would hopefully get you sorted. The main key IMO is to not ever combine the fresh + recycled pipes. Or if you do, at least make sure you've got a properly-built VIP Junction to do it (see https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf). Though building those can be finnicky; personally I just keep stuff separate

[pine patrol]

and its 3000 now

[white dawn]

Though obvs if you've decided to just route the water elsewhere to "sink" it, you may not care about solving that problem anymore. :)

[white dawn]

Honestly probably the "Infinite Nudge" mod

It could be that there's a buildable which would let you arrange for nudges in such small increments, but the most straightforward way would be the mod

[reef basin]

I'm not saying to not do it, I'm saying to not call it "best advice"

[hardy moat]

nah i do cos it feels a bit cheaty - it was just annoying with the bugginess tried valves, unpowered pumps, had everything clocked to the 3rd decimal and still backing up, ill try that tho

[white dawn]

With a bit of trigonometry you might be able to get an 0.25m nudge using some of the curve/rotation methods and making yourself a little triangle. :D

[reef basin]

no need for valves nor pumps

just separate the two setups

[buoyant veldt]

That's what I did to get through tech tiers 7 and 8, but I want to power my jetpack on rocket fuel so I don't want to rely on the Awesome shop forever.

[mortal ginkgo]

its alright, wet concerete is cool enough if its working for you

[reef basin]

see e.g. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1397218790122590208/image.png?ex=692c4fe6&is=692afe66&hm=eebc4d91a9254facdfe2792775256e984c1840556027ec293fdfe6053274e279&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=656&height=927

[fading whale]

I knew it was possible. And just recalled. It's the barrier on a sideways column. Then it slides without snapping.

[gentle lion]

Is this a decent basic layout to start ?
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=XpzmPZybOJUhOY97oj5Q

[void girder]

Is it like an inside thing that the lizzard doggos have the best loot? I got one just cuz i love them, he just brought me a fused modular frame!

[white dawn]

Ah, yeah, it sounds like you were trying to combine the fresh+recycled, which is indeed finnicky. If you want to do it that way you've basically got to use a VIP Junction if you want it reliable (which is described in the PIpeline manual I linked to above -- https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf). Though IMO the more straightforward way is to keep the fresh+recycled on totally separate pipelines, as per the image that greeny sent

[hardy moat]

tbf this does look much simpler, didnt even think of that

[midnight shore]

yo u may remember me from like a bit ago today and i just wanna say i bought it

[pine patrol]

gambling machine

[reef basin]

(even the VIP seems to be less reliable nowdays, and McGalleon doesn't trust in it anymore 😛 )

[void girder]

hell yea

[white dawn]

A couple examples of keeping 'em separate, btw -- one on a very small vanilla-recipe setup, and the other on a larger sloppy+electrode setup (there's some underclocking in use to make the numbers line up): #math-and-meta message

[hardy moat]

i thought the vip one was a myth cos i heard its only when the junction is vertical but what happens if its diagonal on the pipe?

[white dawn]

I think it's down to needing to have built it in the "proper" way, and the build process itself is prone to subtle errors. I know KYO297's happy with their blueprinted VIP, which seems to work entirely reliably for them

But yeah, personally I just stick to what I feel is the simpler methods nowadays. :D (ie: keeping 'em separate instead)

[hardy moat]

or is it just gravity that makes it a priority ?

[white dawn]

It's not really one thing which makes the VIP Junctions work, so much as the specifics of the fluid simulation as a whole. It's a bit black-magicky

If they ever do start tweaking the fluid system to smooth out some of the rough corners with 600/min fluid processing, it's possible stuff like that might stop working, though that's a hypothetical for sure

[pine patrol]

i dont use vip pipes they seem useless to me

[hardy moat]

To fill a Buffer, the Pipe connected to it needs to be able to
supply a Head Lift equal to the Buffer's height.
(8 m for the small Buffer, 12 m for the industrial Buffer.

see this part - doesnt the buffers create their own headlift tho

[reef basin]

they are practically useless unless you build in a way that "forces" you to merge fluids with priority (and you can always go around that)

[reef basin]

buffers should practically never be used (apart from fluid platform buffering)

[white dawn]

I wouldn't say they're useless so much as it's an option. I don't really use 'em myself, and I think keeping fluid systems separate instead is a much simpler solution to stuff. But hey, we've got options. :D

I used to do a lot more fiddly stuff with my pipes back in the day and had a good enough time with 'em (including making use of VIP Junctions and such). But we've all got our internal meters of Willingness To Debug Pipe Problems™, and after awhile I just settled down to the simplest and easiest-to-debug methods instead. :D

[hardy moat]

oh i heard theyre good with pressure resetting especially when going up heights

[white dawn]

I think buffers transmit headlift equal to the height of the liquid inside them, but don't quote me on that; my own buffer knowledge has atrophied considerably, since I literally haven't used 'em in years. :)

[reef basin]

they usually cause more issues than they "fix"

and generally when they "fix" an issue, it wasn't related to the buffer at all, just filling the buffer naturally filled pipes as well, which made the issue go away (full pipes, happy pipes)

[hardy moat]

ah fair enough- might just crazy with packagers, seems the easiest

[white dawn]

(Back in the day I'd even had apparently-working-perfectly fluid-merging systems which used valves. :D Gotta hand in my pretends-to-be-competent-with-liquids badge. :P)

[reef basin]

tbh most setups don't need packagers

only place where I'd say it's really worth it is if you ship gasses, where packaging makes it fit more into one car (though even then it's imo only worth it if you care about how many cars you have or you're shipping large quantities of the gas)

[south sinew]

there's some cases with DMR where I really wanted a priority fluid merger

[reef basin]

again, you can easily build in a way that doesn't require prio merging, since SF doesn't have any randomness in production or consumption

[south sinew]

I didn't find it especially easy to avoid

priority fluid merging is the logical operation for DMR so

it does feel weird the game doesn't have it

[hardy moat]

whats DMR

[white dawn]

I kept my DMR systems well isolated and didn't have to worry about it myself; all down to design, of course.

It wasn't until v1.1 that CSS finally caved to community pressure and even added a Priority Merger, so I'm not surprised they haven't done something for fluids. :P

We've got the VIP junction for "fluid priority merging," of course, but I'm not sure how well that's been tested with gasses

Or whatever it is that we're calling DMR. :P

[peak wasp]

will they add crossplay between console and pc

[leaden turret]

🌈 package all the things 🌈

[reef basin]

most likely not

currently not planned

[peak wasp]

but i wanna play with my freidn on xbix

[white dawn]

I don't think so, no. You can watch some clips of more official responses from here, though: https://archive.satisfactory.video/topics/features/multiplayer/crossplay/

[hardy moat]

why would you combine a gas? havent came accross that yet

[hasty cairn]

Packaging has the side benefit of making liquid products able to be AWESOME sinked, doesn't it? Could be a good way of managing byproducts

[reef basin]

prio merging is practically equal to having separate machines to process the "main" and "byproduct" branches

[reef basin]

well usually much better way is actually using the byproducts 😉

[primal obsidian]

gonna have to place 100 constructors for automated wiring cant wait

[hasty cairn]

But that takes woooor-hur-huuurrrrk! 😭

[south sinew]

it's a nice idea but becomes a lot more awkward when the machines, say, consume a shit ton of power or use sloops, for example

[peak wasp]

also in yalls opinion what is the best area to start in for a mildly experience player

[white dawn]

Tier 9's main new wrinkle is a feedback loop of sorts which exists between Dark Matter Residue (a "gas") and Dark Matter Crystal (essentially what you turn DMR into to get a solid). Depending on how you're building your factories you might be tempted to combine some of those systems and do funky things

[leaden turret]

rocky desert

[hardy moat]

OH

[short kite]

Thanks

[white dawn]

Me with my usual "keep things as simple as possible" mindset just kept stuff mostly isolated between my various DMR/DMC things, and it was mostly a case of having some excess DMC to deal with (generally just sending 'em to a sink)

[reef basin]

any that you like

given that starting area becomes irrelevant once you hit coal 😛

[hard ivy]

Yeah, I added a mod for packaged DMR so I can use the prio merger for items

[white dawn]

But some folks still enjoy doing the more complicated things. :)

[hardy moat]

im on tier 9 just got some temp set ups for now

[leaden turret]

[insert delorean motor company joke here]

[peak wasp]

yeah im at steel rn and dont got any production cause the closest iron to coal in 700 meters and idk what to do

[sudden flint]

steel beams take an infuriating amount of ingots, ngl

[south sinew]

make a belt

[reef basin]

how does that change things? you're still running same % of production, just possibly spread across more machines (which I guess is a problem for sloops, but not for power)

[peak wasp]

they are 700 meters apart and 1k from my base

[reef basin]

build near nodes 😉

[compact flicker]

Ikr

[hardy moat]

has anyone tried to set up modular factorys around the map that produce all of that specific part you need and transport it elsewhere

[white dawn]

I've got some bad news about the rest of the production trees in the game. :D

[compact flicker]

Ye, lets me build more trains

[peak wasp]

i built near limestone copper iron and sulfer with quartz and caterium just no coal

[south sinew]

It's also a problem for power because the two machines that should be one can both run at the same time, so the max power consumption can be increased substantially, as well as costing more sloops that you may not really have available

[reef basin]

most likely yeah.

though the approach I'd personally recommend is to build factories all around the map near nodes they need, that make final products to storage instead 😉

[open swallow]

I did a save like that and really enjoyed it. Trains galore.

[hardy moat]

how much a min do you aim for

[open swallow]

I quit around tier 8, though

[reef basin]

the game expects you to not have a single base. This is a message to go expand to other biomes

[peak wasp]

ok i see

[hardy moat]

thats what i have at the moment but feel like itll be more interesting having massive dedicated factories and transporting around

[glad quest]

yeah only if ur not sigma

[reef basin]

if you need to process X/min of something, you need the same amount of clock speed to do it, no matter if it's grouped or separated

[peak wasp]

Biomass can be pretty good if you get blueprints to build power plants and use somersloops to dupe alien products

[sudden flint]

oh dear. how much of a bottleneck are steel beams?

[glad quest]

coal is inf better

[peak wasp]

Coal is saved for steel tho

[hard ivy]

Good thing you can remove them from most items

[south sinew]

Yeah, but separating them is way more annoying than grouping them

[reef basin]

you can for sure try it. It's just not very friendly approach especially to newer people 🙂 tons of logistical challenges to solve

[glass pagoda]

Hello

[peak wasp]

1 coal only gives 75 watts. 1 biomass gives 30 watts.

[south sinew]

even the extra step of figuring out how many need to be which is annoying

[sudden flint]

yeah, at least there's that

[reef basin]

is it? I find it way simpler than dealing with priority

[glad quest]

its also automatic

[white dawn]

Nothing's really a bottleneck per se (with the exception of SAM for really-late-game Ficsonium, if you're building out a really big nuclear setup)

[glad quest]

and easily expendable

[hardy moat]

300 hours should be good

[south sinew]

That's only because priority fluids sucks; in Factorio nobody would do a fresh/byproduct separation because priority is super easy

[peak wasp]

Rocket fuel plants late game

[white dawn]

As KYO297 mentioned, with appropriate recipes you can omit Steel Beams from your production chains altogether for the most part

[reef basin]

again, personally I find that approach unnecessary complicated no matter your skill level, but obviously anything works if you're having fun 😉

[south sinew]

like, to be clear, I'm not saying that separating fresh is a bad idea in Satisfactory, just that it's the least bad of two pretty bad options, rather than actually good

[hard ivy]

That's an unironically absolutely stupid take

[white dawn]

My comment was really more just that the resource requirements for Steel Beams are peanuts compared to the ultimate resource requirements for a lot of other later-game resources, is all. :)

[glad quest]

bro ur finna need about 100 biomass burners lol thats 400 biomass logs or whatever they r called PER MINUTE

[reef basin]

no, I mean for anything, even solids. Separation all the way

[white dawn]

If you think Steel Beams take a lot to produce, prepare to have your horizons broadened throughout the game. :P

[glad quest]

steel beams r cheap

[open swallow]

The real thing that makes factorio fluid priority work is circuits

[hardy moat]

yeah im just tryna think of the number - made a factory making 1k quartz crystal n 1.2k silica a min but dunno what id need for say Iron thats used in everything

[sudden flint]

but how many later recipies take waaaay too many beams?

[glass pagoda]

Im stressed about making my new encased steal beam factory because I want to make it as effective as possible and I also have to craft a bunch of motors because I don't have any industrial parts automated even though im at teir 6

[peak wasp]

1 alien part gives 100 biomass and then you can get 50 biomass logs from that. If you somersloop you break even.

[reef basin]

(and yes, Factorio works differently, it's also a completely different game, so the comparsion is irrelevant 😉 )

[glad quest]

jsut get caol

[white dawn]

I mean, again, with recipe selection you can mostly just do without them altogether. But I dunno, I don't really think of it that way. If I'm making something at my recipe chain needs X/min of something, I'll just go make X/min of that thing.

[peak wasp]

I don't like water pipes

[glad quest]

fuel needs water pipes

[hard ivy]

Skill issue

[white dawn]

Like nothing's a bottleneck; the map's huge, and resources are so plentiful that you really have to try to actually exhaust resources.

[peak wasp]

But the blender recipes make it nice and even

[south sinew]

I wouldn't really say that. The logical challenge and the thing the player actually wants to achieve is the same in both cases; there's a byproduct which is the same as the input and you want to consume that first

[glass pagoda]

🙁

[white dawn]

(Again, with the exception of SAM, if you're doing Ficsonium at large scale)

[glad quest]

how is it any different blenders need 2 pipe inputs

[peak wasp]

Water never works how I want idk.

[hard ivy]

All liquids are identical

[glad quest]

yeah just diff colours lol

[hard ivy]

I'm hoping 1.2 gives us some actual good solutions

[hardy moat]

fluid truck

[glad quest]

i want mk3 pipes

[reef basin]

the two games are very different in terms of approach the game "wants" you to take

personally I feel that the only thing the two games have in common is that they both are "factory games", practically all the problem solving and approaches that work well are different between the two games. However this is obviously kinda subjective topic, so you may have different view of it. I just feel that too many people have issues when they are trying to play Satisfactory "the Factorio way" (and the game indeed isn't designed with that in mind)

[glad quest]

or a better water extractor we have 3 tiers to miners so give us more water

[vague creek]

mk.3 pipes would make fluid issues worse IMO

[glad quest]

they said they fixed the physics didnt they

[hard ivy]

Not if they fix the code

[hardy moat]

a 1200m pipe seems a bit crazy

[vague creek]

we know nothing as of right now really

[nocturne cairn]

Maybe add a better coolant for nuclear reactors so you have to use that (in lower volumes) instead of having a maxed mk2 pipe of water per 1 reactor

[glad quest]

not rlly

[white dawn]

They had the phrase "We fixed fluids!" on a video thumbnail, but the contents of the video only showed us that they were making a Fluid Truck + Fluid Truck Station

[hardy moat]

you only need 1 per reactor if youre fully overclocking

[glass pagoda]

Should I use my power plant that is half way across the map from my factory to power it or should I make a new oil plant

[glad quest]

long ass power cable

[hardy moat]

both

[white dawn]

It remains to be seen as to what the actual troll was in that video. (Either it's that they are doing something with fluids but are trolling us by only showing off the new truck at the moment, or the troll was that they're not doing anything with the simulation but we're getting fluid trucks instead.)

[glass pagoda]

Huh papa

[south sinew]

It's not so much that I disapprove of the idea of Satisfactory not being Factorio, it's just that this is a case where they both ask the same thing of the player and that Satisfactory makes implementing the solution way more tedious; if the approach the game "wants" me to take is to start calculating downclocks and fresh/waste machine amounts and to go farm more sloops just to do this, then that's not exactly a "better" feeling for SF than the idea that they just didn't implement priority fluid mergers because they ran out of time or something, making the player suffer on purpose isn't really better

[reef basin]

the physics seem to be fine

[glad quest]

yeah but its annying doing a project that needs 750 water a min now i need to either split pipes (yuck) and have 2

[hardy moat]

youre most likely gonna expand and need cables across the map and more power plants too so both

[hard ivy]

Ah, yes, infinite energy is "fine"

[reef basin]

the problem with "fluid merger" is that pipes are bidirectional

[reef basin]

I mean I didn't say "great" 🤷

[glad quest]

omg yeah omni directional pipes could be peak

[hard ivy]

... that's what we have rn?

[glad quest]

?? i mean a pipe that flows in 1 direction without needing a valve or pump

[glass pagoda]

I don't think I have enough items to build from golden spire to the edge of dune desert

[hard ivy]

I don't think you know what "omni" means

[hardy moat]

imagine they add a water mill for power

[reef basin]

neither valve nor pump makes pipe flow in one direction

[glad quest]

mono sorry

[hardy moat]

power towers

[glass pagoda]

Alr ill try

[hardy moat]

could always build a plant at the north

[glass pagoda]

Ima look into oil locations in dune desert

[vague creek]

none

[glad quest]

lol just say ur a women and a fedora wearing guy will join instantly

[hardy moat]

none in the desert only outside it

[hard ivy]

How is building an entire new power plant easier than pulling a single powerline

[dapper marten]

Halp
I make 2250 of rocket fuel, how do I split it for fuel generators, keep in mind I'm in the blue crater

[hardy moat]

manifold

[peak wasp]

i need people to play with

[hardy moat]

gas is easy

[hard ivy]

You don't

[peak wasp]

IM GOING INSANE

[leaden turret]

#1201555265942724758

[glass pagoda]

Cuz its from the place with a lot of oil near great canyon i think it's called golden coast and I have my factory in the nothmost of dune desert

[peak wasp]

IM GONNA GO INSANE

[dapper marten]

Isn't it a liquid?

[hardy moat]

the only joy you should get is from efficient factories

[peak wasp]

they all work for me

[vague creek]

and dropping nukes on piders

[hardy moat]

you need ark or dayz

[fluid sapphire]

Hook the appropriate amount up to each blender separately, don't merge anywhere where it's not necessary

[peak wasp]

no i need people to do stuff becuase i dont understand progression

[hard ivy]

Figure stuff out yourself

[peak wasp]

im stuck at steel

[vague creek]

figuring stuff out is the fun part

[fluid sapphire]

Pick a milestone, work towards it

That's all

[peak wasp]

ok

[open swallow]

here's how I pick my goals. I look at a product I want to make, and I build towards that

[hardy moat]

how do i build a curved train track in the blueprint builder

[peak wasp]

what do super computers do

[open swallow]

this usually means an item in the next teir that I don't have

[hardy moat]

nothing

[open swallow]

is it part of your next tier? if not, don't worry about it

[hard ivy]

At steel? Nothing

[open swallow]

build when the time comes

[reef basin]

no need to split if you never merge 🙂

[peak wasp]

i have 1 super computer '

[dapper marten]

Yeah but, I have 10 blenders

[peak wasp]

from a drop pod

[open swallow]

save it for later

[dapper marten]

O 2 floors

[peak wasp]

ok

[reef basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1443484349155774484/image.png?ex=692c88cf&is=692b374f&hm=0573d799d62b6c3605d8a0128f631671467fbc8f4c81c594afe8b282c3947521&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=449&height=350

[fluid sapphire]

Give each blender it's own block of generators

Thats the simplest most fool proof way to handle it

[dapper marten]

Uhhh what

[reef basin]

that's fluid manifold for splitting a pipe across machines

[hardy moat]

also id recommend overclocking each generator to 240% so each generator burns 10 fuel

[open swallow]

image didn't attach I STAND CORRECTED--It opens in browser

[hardy moat]

its rocket fuel so just gas

[dapper marten]

Yeah but space is kinda cramped here

I mean, I'm not able to do something symmetrical lol

[vague creek]

plenty of space there

[fluid sapphire]

You can always build up if nothing else

3d game after all

[vague creek]

or even down

[hardy moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1418337044148523164/1444445723037794465/image.png?ex=692cbc68&is=692b6ae8&hm=e70fa30964e8a1d806e1d4a376356b4f2093481067980b9485c28576ba36cf3f&

this is how i done it

[open swallow]

power cube

[vague creek]

the void is right there, lots of space between bc and world border

[dapper marten]

#screenshots message
That's how it is right now

[hardy moat]

just manifold it honest

[dapper marten]

Manifold for each one or 5 manifolds?

[hardy moat]

take 1 pipe and just run it to all the generators you can then repeat

[fluid sapphire]

I did something like this, each fork of 2 is hooked up to one blender, then I just built on top of each fork, as many as was necessary for a single blender #screenshots message

[reef basin]

gas is fluid

[dapper marten]

I'll try something like that

[fluid sapphire]

The advantage of this kind of setup is that you only need to do piping on the first floor, the rest just go straight up

[dapper marten]

Wdym? Just taking up the gas?

[fluid sapphire]

Each of the 2-forks you see here is hooked up to one blender, then I use blueprints to build on top of each of these forks - if you build the blueprint with pipe auto-connect in mind, it goes very quickly, it also helps if you wire it up so you have one power plug per blueprint so you can daisy chain them

Rf is a gas so it travels up just fine, no pumps needed or anything

Something like this #screenshots message

If you look carefully there is a beam connector in the middle, with a wall plug clipped into it, basically my process was to build these gens, as a stack, and on the way down daisy chain the power connectors

You can do more than 2 generators in a blueprint if you want, probs

Just what I did, made it pretty easy, auto-connect is the best feature ever fr

[brazen coral]

As soon as aluminum is available I'm going to start min maxing for the ore, I'd just rather have radio towers to tell me where a lot of the stuff is

[dapper marten]

How lol

Btw, for pipe manifold do I need to do the double connection?

I mean, one line that goes down and the main remains upm

[sullen gull]

Imo, it's best to keep fluids in a loop

[fluid sapphire]

I had the pipe basically go up and down through the floor

You don't need a loop for this

[dapper marten]

Yeah but I'm kinda having some issues about space😵‍💫

[wicked nacelle]

I always start with a braindead fluid manifold and fix if needed

[fluid sapphire]

Just lead the initial pipes somewhere with enough room bro

[brazen coral]

Should turbo fuel only be used for the rifle ammo once I'm that far along? Or should I process it just for fuel consumption as well OR wait until nuclear

[fluid sapphire]

Personally I don't think turbo is worth the effort for power, if you can just stick it out long enough for rocket fuel, it's just too good

[brazen coral]

Fair enough

[fluid sapphire]

Nuclear is another option, you can also do both

For me I went with rocket fuel for power, but I will also make nuclear later for fun

[brazen coral]

Right now I'm finishing phase 3. I just need more power to automate the last couple things quickly

[dapper marten]

#screenshots message
Yeah but I don't wanna do bad looking pipings

[compact flicker]

Hey thats where my first oil power plant was!

[fluid sapphire]

Idk, what I can tell you is that the initial piping definitely took me the longest (the first floor)

Just gotta figure out where you can fit it nicely

[fluid sapphire]

It's quite popular, mine was too, until I demolished it in favor of a nitro rocket fuel plant

It's the perfect spot in many ways

[unkempt blade]

the key is to completely ignore making it all right-angley and organized and just spew pipes all over the places and paint them all different colors

[dapper marten]

Never

[unkempt blade]

It's modern art! You just don't understand it!

[fluid sapphire]

My ocd ass could never, I literally deleted my whole map because I couldn't take the mess

[terse wren]

question
what does flushing you pipe do?

[unkempt blade]

if it's intentional then it looks exactly how it should 😄

[unkempt blade]

empties the liquid that's in that pipe or pipe network

[fluid sapphire]

I crave consistency. It can be somewhat ugly, but not completely. But it has to be consistent. I suppose a wild spaghetti mess all over can be consistent

[unkempt blade]

if you accidentally filled a pipe you meant to use for oil with water you'd flush it then it would let oil in

[unkempt blade]

That's why I limit myself to 6 main colors when I'm spewing rainbows everywhere. Creativity thrives within boundaries

so consistent #screenshots message

[fluid sapphire]

I can appreciate the commitment

[dapper marten]

What's the formula to get the consumption of fuel gens with overclocks?

[unkempt blade]

just multiply by whatever the overclock is

[dense violet]

if you clock somethign 200% it produces 200% of normal

[unkempt blade]

power gen is linear

[dapper marten]

Ah ok

[dense violet]

machine output is always linear to overclocking

[unkempt blade]

the wiki is also pretty good about having tables for the overclock stuff for each structure

[dense violet]

whether that output is power or items

[unkempt blade]

power consumption isn't for item production which is the different behavior to me

[dense violet]

sure but power consumption changes due ot overclocking are minor. If you're that worried about power your first task should be more power

[wicked nacelle]

when you flush the whole pipe network it resets the fluid type so you can change what fluid pipes hold

The game doesn’t let you connect pipes either mismatched fluid types

[gentle lion]

With smart splitter you can have x item go into storage and when full can you send it to overflow /sink?

[reef basin]

yes

[wicked nacelle]

that's what the "overflow" option exactly is

[unkempt blade]

You can send items to storage until the storage is full and then send items in the overflow direction. It won't do a specific number outside of that

[gentle lion]

Ok that's what I was wondering

[steel kelp]

I finally finished my nuclear power plant

[gentle lion]

Reading on fuel gens if they backup polymer they stop?

[steel kelp]

If any machine cant empty its output it will stop

[hard ivy]

if you're talking about refineries, yes

same with any other machine

[hardy moat]

anyone got fixes for the blueprints bugs?

[steel kelp]

What bugs?

[hardy moat]

im trying to save a blueprint but its only saving half

[steel kelp]

The only one ive seen in 260 hours on xbox is sometimes conveyor lifts get fucky

[steel kelp]

Ive never seen that lol so i cant rly help sorry

[steel kelp]

Try saving under a diff name maybe?

[hardy moat]

yeah i did still not working - tried restarting too but same thing

[steel kelp]

Try doing it in a different blueprint designer?

Not rly sure what else you can do. I have like 100+ bp on my save and ive never seen that issue

[fading whale]

Fml. I have 5-belts, and I am producing 787,5 of waste 😂

[white dawn]

Should send the extra 7.5 on its own mk1 belt in a totally different direction from the rest

[fading whale]

I was thinking something like that.

I turned off creature aggression a while back. Did wonders for my blood pressure.
And I gotta say. It's fun to just chill while a spider is taking on a stinger at random 😄

[spiral haven]

Is there a way to duplicate my save file and have it two separate times? I'm on pc if that's something you need to do from the game files

[ocean frost]

what do you mean by times

[fading whale]

It's a single file you just need to copy. I do it all the time to keep a backup. That what you mean?

[ocean frost]

you can copy it and rename it

[spiral haven]

I think that's what I want

[fading whale]

%localappdata%\FactoryGame\Saved

Files are called the same as your savegame list in-game.

[hard ivy]

save the game twice with different names?

[spiral haven]

Yeah

But when I press new save in the saving thing it just adds it to the same list which isn't what I want

[hard ivy]

you want them under a different session?

[spiral haven]

Yeah

[hard ivy]

then you're gonna need a save editor

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map for example

[fierce granite]

while in game, go to Manage Session, then Session settings, and update the Session Name and then save

[white dawn]

hmm, we're always telling folks that for nuclear waste storage, just find an offshore corner of the map and send all the waste there. But why let one little corner have all the fun?

How about, instead: the waste goes to a load-balanced set of Drone Ports. Those drone ports send the waste out to other drone ports, elsewhere around the map's border. Those, too, are load balanced and get sent off again, and again, and again.

[south canyon]

is there a half wall?

[white dawn]

Repeat until you've got whatever N "final" ports you're happy with. The whole border gets to be irradiated!

[compact flicker]

There is not

[white dawn]

Not exactly, but there's a 1m-high wall. Stack 2 of those and you've got it. :)

Oh, though if you meant horizontally, then no

[hard ivy]

width or height?

[south canyon]

width

[hard ivy]

then I don't think so

[white dawn]

For some of the wall textures you can clip 'em into each other, so long as you've got 4m to spare on the "far" side

(I mean, you can clip them regardless of texture, but there's some textures for which that doesn't look bad. :)

[south canyon]

currently just making a small dd upload farm

[ocean frost]

Load waste into a train drive train into void

Have a graveyard of trains

[wicked nacelle]

unfortunately when they derail they retain their spot on the rail in the game logic

[ocean frost]

So you can't send another one

[whole drum]

Finally, an immigration policy we can get behind!

Nobody wants to climb that wall. 🤣

[ocean frost]

Call it vault 202

[whole drum]

Destroy that rail and build new

[wicked nacelle]

It will tell you it’s in use — I’m pretty sure

[whole drum]

Ah

[wicked nacelle]

Lizard doggos are the only hack that I know of to get rid of nuclear waste

At the cost of one berry per stack

[white dawn]

Or flush it down the HUB toilet, one item (not stack!) at a time!

[hardy moat]

build over the void with a train track then derail closer and closer to the cliff until you find a new void to derail over

[leaden turret]

🤔

would lfg corpses also work for nuclear waste disposal?

[fading whale]

@queen drift #screenshots message
For a lot of the cases, you can connect walkways to these points.

[old bramble]

Okay I have ten fuel generators. But as the pipe stretches on the flow rate gets slower and slower despite being level to the ground. Like the last pipe is having a flow of 0.8 despite me actually having the correct rate of 200 fuel per minute being refined.

I’m confused does it have to do with pipe junctions being weird or am I screwing up somewhere?

[peak wasp]

does anyone want t play together

[hard ivy]

#1201555265942724758

[peak wasp]

ik about that but no one ever responds

[queen drift]

I am not sure :> Because u can connect catwalk to back on the constructor for example

[hard ivy]

then no one wants to play

[sullen gull]

This is what happens when you use a straight deadhead manifold. It's due to the main feed pipes not being able to stay full and affecting the flow down the line. If you keep your fluid in a loop, this doesn't happen.

[old bramble]

How do I loop the fluid?

[fading whale]

Didn't say it was a rule 🙂

[sullen gull]

It can be as simple as putting a loop from the end of the manifold to the beginning, with the "feed" coming it hogher than the inputs.

[wicked nacelle]

if you make a normal manifold it will have two ends of the pipe. Connect them to each other

[sullen gull]

Or, if using multiple water extractors, you can feed from both ends, then the middle(s) of a manifold.

[old bramble]

Now I’m even more confused. All I got from that is loop the end back to the first junction.

[sullen gull]

Make a post in #1038092680493801533 with screen shots

[wicked nacelle]

your pipe has a start end and an end end, right? Just build a pipe between those two spots

[old bramble]

Start end?

[wicked nacelle]

the fluid source

[sudden flint]

why make pipes of Copper sheet, if steel pipe is pipe without?

[wicked nacelle]

the pipe has an ending there

[sullen gull]

!wikisearch cg

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[wicked nacelle]

rust

[sudden flint]

Oxidization?

[sullen gull]

@old bramble Take a look at the cookcutter coal gen setups and how they are plumbed to give 360 water.

[sudden flint]

Copper is oxidize too

[old bramble]

But I’m not using coal

I’m using fuel.

[sullen gull]

The plumbing concepts are the same

Unless you are trying to recycle, then it's "trickier"

[old bramble]

Nope not recycling anything

[sullen gull]

I didn't assume so, was just saying .....

[old bramble]

My bad

[sullen gull]

No worries.

[old bramble]

I was just trying to confirm I wasn’t recycling packing containers

[sullen gull]

Again, it's much easier if you are able to make a thread in #1038092680493801533 and can post come screenshots.

[old bramble]

I can’t post screenshots rn

Otherwise I would.