satisfactory

[idle brook]

if i do that, then im not playing the game

[glass pagoda]

Guys I turn the no spider toggle and it turned them to cats

[sullen gull]

Ic

[idle brook]

one of the literal first things they say in the introduction is that effeciency is key

[glass pagoda]

Like nextbots

[split quail]

Guys face is gonna melt off once he hits higher tiers if the 270 thing is melting him down.

[idle brook]

something being "good enoguh" is not in my vocabulary in this game

[sullen gull]

Effeciency can mean many things to different people. Like, to me, efficiency means that all machines are able to run at 100%.

[merry granite]

someone should make a mod that randomises the belt speed

[idle brook]

but when you say that, do you truly mean "ALL" machines or just the ones u care about

[glass pagoda]

It was so cute a cat was attacking me

[sullen gull]

Also, as you get higher in the game, there are chances you will have an output, or input like 345.2...

[sullen gull]

All

[merry granite]

from 30-90 for mk1, 180-360 for mk2, 320-680 for mk3

[sullen gull]

From source to end

[idle brook]

conveyer belts are machines

[void cliff]

I did get a dedicated server set up on a laptop, might have to see if the steam deck can do it. Basically just looks like a command prompt window when running it. Just hook it up to the router on the dock and I bet the steam deck can do the dedicated server just fine, too. I’ve been playing it on the Xbox recently just because I packed up my PC for moving purposes, and I’m getting pleasantly used to the gamepad controls now.

[idle brook]

change my mind

like look in #design-and-architecture i just posted the oil factory thingy i built last night

[merry granite]

a machine is something that takes an input and produces something else as an output

[idle brook]

0 guides 0 nothing, im tryna raw dog the game as much as possible, i have 3 pages of notes on that one factory by itself

[merry granite]

which is not a conveyor belt :)

[analog dragon]

yeah thats what im trying to do rn... if only my server actually worked 😭 it does NOT like my existing save for whatever reason

[idle brook]

im trying very hard to debunk your way of thinking, but honestly i think ur kinda right

[sullen gull]

Here is a note, keep fluids in loops. Deadhead manifolds are not the way imo.

[idle brook]

well i did the math and the theory crafting and everything there is to stress test it, and as of now my design is working flawlessly, but i mean that can chagne with time

the only thing about those pictures that diddnt work was the fact that once the rubber and plastic start overflowing they will stop producing power aswell

since they cant output any of the biproduct from making fuel

but that can easily be solved with a sink

[analog dragon]

sounds like u need to use all the rubber and plastic ur making. yknow, for that efficiency

[dense violet]

there are settings for basically creative mode

[merry granite]

let that sink in

[idle brook]

i do, most definetly, but as of right now i dont have any solid use, so im keeping it as a powermaking tool and free coupons untill i find another route for the materials to go

[visual valve]

Hmm creative mode I think is too much. Maybe just to spawn in the collectable and then turn off though?

[lofty forge]

if you limit yourself to 60/120/270/480/780/1200 a min and only these, you are going to have very bad headaches. it really, would look clean tho

[idle brook]

oh i dont, i mean if push comes to shove im not against using several conveyer belts or alternative methods

also unpopular opinion, i do not like how many machines u can over and underclock, i feel like it makes it too easy to make machines and factories effecient

[lofty forge]

you could trick your mind by putting a sink at the end of each belt (that the excess goes into). that way the belts would never stop transporting. but at the same time now instead of simply transporting enough /min. now you have to transport enough that by the time the next delivery comes, the storage/station/source still has items in it (belts are still transporting/looks good), which means that you will lose items. at every step. and make so much more than you would need otherwise.

[idle brook]

im ngl ive read that message like 3 times now, and i dont get it

like i missed the point or what ur trying to explain by this?

but i mean belt speeds havent really been an issue for me bc ive never been in a situation yet where i need to have all of my output or input on a single belt

[lofty forge]

normally. its simple. 480 goes out 480 goes in. sometimes the belts stop because the machines are full. but there is still enough produced.

[idle brook]

well i dont try to max out the carrying capacity of all my belts unless it would be more effecient that spreading it out

as in unless i have 2 belts carrying 240 items pr min that need to be trasnported a great distance

[lofty forge]

belts always move. items for the machine, goes somewhere else. its not 480 anymore. but,, u still need 480,,, more items come in.

oh you just need them always moving, not constantly full and moving

[idle brook]

to me it seems like youre overcomplicating this greatly

bc there are buffers like the fact that each machine has an inventory

[lofty forge]

maybe

[idle brook]

so for instance if i have 1 belt carrying 480 items pr minute spread across a range of machines consuming 480 items pr min then there would never be any slowdown on the belt whatsoever

of course u have to make sure the system never gets backed up by making sure u dont overproduce

[lofty forge]

do you mind the manifolds stopping? othewise you are going to have to balance every product

[idle brook]

but i feel like overproducing is like 90% of the game which is why the sink is great

[idle brook]

i mean i do balance every product, but i dont mind the manifolds stopping since that is only a visual thing and dosent actually have anything to do with effeciency if u mean what i think u mean

[lofty forge]

specifically the belts that goes from the splitter to the machine

[idle brook]

yes im aware

i use SOOOO many manifolds in most my setups

love em

[merry granite]

+2, not a single intentional load balancer in my world

[lofty forge]

wait. "manifolds stopping since that is only visual" so you do not mind the belts stopping?.. belts dont stop working. ever. i. i dont get what exactly you are having an issue with now.

[idle brook]

well im not even sure what were discussing if im completely honest

i just came in here complaning about how belt speed increase in increments of 60 EXCEPT MK3

which goes from 120 (mk2) to 270(mk3) for some unknown god forsaken reason

[lofty forge]

o h

[idle brook]

and it annoys me

[lofty forge]

yeah that is kinda annoying

[feral geyser]

cuz if it only doubled each time, there would be hardly any benefit to the marks

why make mk 3s when you could do 2 mk 2s

except you can't cuz it skips up

[lofty forge]

althought it created no issues for me so far. just sometimes my math is a bit off thats it

[feral geyser]

it only bothers CDO weirdos

[idle brook]

like hear me out
Mk1 belt speed 60/m aka the speed of a mk1 belt here by shortened to SMK1
Mk 2 = 200% of SMK1
Mk 4 = 400% of SMK1
Mk3 = 350% OF SMK1 WHY WHY WHY

[feral geyser]

cuz fuck you, is why

[idle brook]

oh yeah it dosent provide any issues in the slightest

[feral geyser]

this game doesn't care about us

[idle brook]

it just annoys me

[abstract heron]

What does

[feral geyser]

read up literally just a smidge

[idle brook]

bc of the fact that the whole game litearlly its entire identity is about effeciency, maths and making things "satisfactory" and theese increments are not "satisfactory"

they are annoying is what they are

[abstract heron]

If its belts its just going slow first then i have mk5 atm

[feral geyser]

just till you find out the burn rate of compacted coal in a coal gen

[abstract heron]

how about me i love this game

[idle brook]

i already know

[abstract heron]

17,721 hrs on record TOTAL!

[idle brook]

but that i can honestly live with

bc why tf would u even use that

just skip it entirely

[feral geyser]

then why are you complaining about something as nice as 350%

[abstract heron]

ik the devs are trying there best

[feral geyser]

imagine if they made mk3 belts 295/min

just to fuck with you

[abstract heron]

fyi there mods to make them better

[feral geyser]

be glad they aren't complete chaos agents

[idle brook]

NO

[median geyser]

#screenshots message anyone good with signals able to help me reason out how to properly signal this turn around?

[lofty forge]

"pure iron ingot" the recipe. would make you so mad, i dont know if this counts as spoilers

[abstract heron]

True statement

There are mods to help with belt speed

[idle brook]

i look down upon feeble minds who use things such as mods or "overclocking" and "underclocking" ESPECIALLY UNDERCLOCKING to make their factories quote on quote "effecient"

[hasty fable]

Would anyone know why an Alt recipe is not unlocking?

I need the Heavy Oil + Compact Coal version of Turbofuel, which says I need Tier 5 Oil Process & MAM Research "Compacted Coal", Both of which I have

[feral geyser]

this is top-tier soft-brain statement

[abstract heron]

are u just crying at the game?

[feral geyser]

under/overclocking is the single most useful tool for efficiency in the game

[idle brook]

NO

overclocking i can understand

[abstract heron]

do u have oil unlocked

[median geyser]

Brother your name is Friend Zone Camper, you cant shit on people who underclock their factories, you underclocked your dating life????

[abstract heron]

WHAT ARE U ON ATM!

[hasty fable]

Yes

[abstract heron]

keep trying etc etc

[feral geyser]

overclocking actually reduces efficiency (by some metrics) compared to underclocking

[pine patrol]

due to minor underproduction of power ima make some nuclear plants any spot in particular (im planning to use uranium fuel only and disposing plutonium)

[abstract heron]

do u have all oil unlocked at your stage?

@hasty fable

[idle brook]

HERES THE THING if you place down a constructor and have it underclocked to 50% so it produces pricesly enough iron rods for the next constructor to get exactly enough iron rods to make screws in sync and never run out, THEN ITS NOT EFFECIENT, ur literally slowing an entire machine down to let the other one work effeciently, be a man about it, take the output split it into 2 constructors and have them both make screws, double the output and still ahve the math add up

[lofty forge]

you are literally doing "all the calculations must end up with an even number of machines" challenge run lol

[abstract heron]

i stress test my stuff

[feral geyser]

and build twice as much as you need just cuz you don't wanna tune a single machine down?

[idle brook]

u dont wanna see my notes for the oil factory i just set up

[idle brook]

YES, NOT BECAUSE I NEED TO, BUT BECAUSE I CAN

[merry granite]

I bet you would love watching about oliver

[abstract heron]

i still do the math for liquids

[hasty fable]

I have everything in Tier 5 & below unlocked in the MAM and I am on Phase 3

[idle brook]

so do i

[abstract heron]

Then keep trying etc etc

or check the hard drive library

[pine patrol]

ima put this in questions and help i want this planned well

[feral geyser]

doing something you don't need to with no good reason is the definition of inefficiency

[idle brook]

damn, did u not hear a word of what ADA said when the game first started?

[abstract heron]

i just PLAY!

[idle brook]

one of your key goals in this game is to exploit the natural resources of the planet

[lofty forge]

that single rule is going to be such a pain the ass lategame. especially using the more efficient alt recipes oh my god. wrong ping. maybe you could pull it off, who knows

[idle brook]

letting natural resources not be used to their max is a sin

[abstract heron]

And doing math is part of the FUN of the game @idle brook

[feral geyser]

more soft-brain takes

[idle brook]

I have a very extensive math education, i like math and automation, thats the whole reason im playing this game

[merry granite]

underclocking doesnt reduce your natural resources to ash

[idle brook]

im using my almost 2 decades of math education to optimise everything in this game to its absaloute limit, as anyone else should

[merry granite]

underclocking is good for that

[idle brook]

what about the resources u paid to make the constructor

ur only getting half the value u wouldve gotten

gotta get my moneys worth out of those 6 iron bars

i worked hard to get those

[ivory condor]

resources are infinite in this game, so its basically zero cost in the long term

i think its interesting we discuss things like machines having cost, but what is the cost really, nodes dont run out, we get basically limitless supply of all materials we could ever use

[idle brook]

the difference is, you guys are happy with "good enough" and "sufficient" I STRIVE, NO I LIVE TO MAKE EVERYTHIGN "SATISFACTORY"

[merry granite]

if your idea is to just have all the machines working at 100% efficiency with no underclocking the game would be pretty easy if that were possible and pretty boring

[abstract heron]

i say its progress and such if it takes over 1 year for me it does

[merry granite]

if everything just matched up there'd be no math involved, i would have thought youd want a math game with your 40 years of experience

[pine patrol]

#1442391049803927562 message

[idle brook]

first of all, where the heck did you get 40 years from?

second of all, underclocking makes all the math 10 times easier

[abstract heron]

What are u on about?

[idle brook]

if u diddnt have the option to overclock or underclock planning would have to be waaay more extensive

[idle brook]

that underclocking in a sin and should never be done

[feral geyser]

he's giving clown takes

[merry granite]

i like underclocking so i can make the math add up perfectly

[pine patrol]

no?

[abstract heron]

AND

[merry granite]

i would have thought youd want that too with your 60 years of math experience

[abstract heron]

i am very much thinking pinging a mod

calm down @idle brook

[idle brook]

to me thats like solving an equation by multiplying by 0 on both sides of the equals sign

[feral geyser]

just clown react everything he says, guys

[lofty forge]

you are probably going to enjoy calculating train travel times, drone travel times, and maximised sink points very much (no sarcasm, those include more math than ratio calculation)

[abstract heron]

Should i just make a ticket oor let the mods watch they probbaly are

[feral geyser]

nah, just let it be

[pine patrol]

if you dont underclock you overproduce if you add another machine you risk underproducing farther down the line if you underclock you can get the exact numbers to avoid over/under producing alltogether

[abstract heron]

tbh i got the game in u3 and i loved it

[feral geyser]

they're fishing for attention with soft-brain takes, so i'm just gonna clown and laugh react them

[ivory condor]

hmmmm make a ticket, what for?

[idle brook]

yes but overproducing and underproducing can all be avoided if you diddnt fk up, by planning everything out correctly

[abstract heron]

this convo from @idle brook slechtvalk

[abstract heron]

talk to mikael or jason

[ivory condor]

I'm seeing the conversation but i dont see anything worth making a ticket for to be honest

[idle brook]

and to me overproducing is a relative term, like i love having my storage container in the corner with 30k screws ill never use, just in case

[ivory condor]

unless im missing something here, maybe I am?

[pine patrol]

some recipes specifically alternate recipes no amount of planning would help tf are you on

[idle brook]

i try to keep around 1 full storage container of every item in the game, just in case i need it at some point

[abstract heron]

Probbaly just ranting

[feral geyser]

having bad opinions isn't against the rules

[pine patrol]

ill happily join you

[idle brook]

name a singular recipe and i bet you i can plan it out perfectly

[ivory condor]

Ranting, hmmmmm idk I guess I'm just not seeing things the same way

[abstract heron]

i just hit 4k hrs in my world and i anit stopping

[ivory condor]

but if you think anything worth making a ticket for, go ahead, i just dont

[pine patrol]

hm let me see… sloppy alumina

[stone python]

cap

[lunar python]

bruh

[pine patrol]

?

[frigid veldt]

banana bread

[ivory condor]

Basically yes, regardless if anything is a bad opinion, that in itself isnt rule breaking

[idle brook]

do u just want the recipe for it fully effecient or also the outputs?

[lofty forge]

for me the most annoying one is always "pure iron ingot". never matches up with anything and i always end with 0.358 refineries or smth

[feral geyser]

define "efficient"

[lunar python]

that shi is EASY

[pine patrol]

wdym fully for the outputs

[pine patrol]

hard to balence water

especially without underclocking which is what the smooth brain here is argueing is lazy

[idle brook]

the alumina solution itself, do you want me to show u how to otimize the use of it aswell that u would get from the amount of machines or?

[idle brook]

WHAT

you think its hard to balance water? and youre calling me smooth brained?????

[lunar python]

its just water??

[stone python]

this dude has to be a troll

[pine patrol]

without underclocking yes?

[idle brook]

water is literally one of the easiest things to balance in the game

[pine patrol]

am i mixing someone up?

[lunar python]

i have a 2100 bauxite setup and it uses a single mk2 water pipe

[pine patrol]

i think i am 😭

[lunar python]

lol

[stone python]

youre not

FZC is a troll, no way they are doubling down on their wrong opinion

[pine patrol]

epic

[merry granite]

I just have to bring up the two close-to-naked bouncing anime girls on your steam profile and if you actually have 2 decades of math experience you must be near or over 30 years old

its a lil embarrasing

[idle brook]

your point?

[ivory condor]

no more than the person thats calling someone "smooth brain", imo thats just uncalled for, regardless of any bad opinions

[idle brook]

okay?

congrats i guess?

[median geyser]

That you being a 30+yo gooner makes perfect sense?

[pine patrol]

then i aint gonna continue this i was argueing water is hard to balence without underclocking as if you dont most of the time it pauses if its not lined up perfectly (from not having enough input) which could lead to clogs but im done like i said

[idle brook]

just have 5 water extractors deviding the water in to 2 mk1 pipes ahving 300m^3 water each and then devide those among your machine

[teal geyser]

Whats wrong with anime girls?

[idle brook]

and then u se that as atemplate and scale it up or down based off your needs

[feral geyser]

"I have a very extensive math education"
what actually is the highest math you've taken, out of curiosity?

[pine patrol]

was talking about sloppy alumina but sure

[lofty forge]

i think you mixed up the recipes sloppy alumina produces... no byproduct. its just solution

[idle brook]

oh you mean balancing water among refineries producing sloppy alumina specifically?

[lunar python]

i have double checked, i am NOT running 2100 bauxite with just 1 mk2 pipe

[pine patrol]

sloppy alumina was an example but yes

[idle brook]

cuz its just 200 water/m it needs, like its not that difficult

[merry granite]

I guess you haven't really hurt anyone, other than saying feeble minded for using underclocking which i guess was a joke, your just chatting about your opinion so there was no need to try and attack you, sorry

[pine patrol]

specifically water as a byproduct

[idle brook]

well umm... water is not a bi product in sloppy alumina...

[pine patrol]

sloppy alumina gives extra water byproduct

[feral geyser]

bro, no one cares about making JUST alumina solution

[stone python]

it cant

[feral geyser]

you gotta turn it into scraps to be worth anything

[stone python]

as sloppy is already a solution

and refineries only have one liquid output

[lofty forge]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Alumina_Solution. fandom is the wrong wiki. its not updated anymore

[feral geyser]

do the whole process

[pine patrol]

I think im confused

[lunar python]

it is when when turning it into aluminum scrap

[stone python]

are you perhaps thinking of of aluminum scrap?

[pine patrol]

I WAS i thought sloppy alumina outputted water 😭

[idle brook]

that may be true but that wasnt the question as presented to me

[pine patrol]

mb i was a dumbass

[idle brook]

i was soo confused

i was sitting here like "how tf is water hard to balance here" 😂

[stone python]

sloppy alumina is already a liquid, produced in a refinery, so it cant output watter as well 😉

[feral geyser]

instant scrap inputs and outputs water

but that goes in a blender

[pine patrol]

i mightve been thinking that but im not sure

[white dawn]

I mean, some folks do struggle with dealing with water byproduct in the Aluminum chain

This whole conversation's been awfully heated

[lunar python]

that's it, we need diluted alumina solution to be added now

[pine patrol]

cause i thought it was in a refinery but thats impossible clearly

[ivory condor]

from what, water extractors, imo it isnt

[feral geyser]

FZC is talking like a typical virgin

[coral glacier]

Imagine using only Fluid Buffers to connect water extractors to coal/nuclear generators.

[white dawn]

Eh, I'd advise folks to stop, like, directly insulting each other. There's no call for the kind of tone that's been thrown around in the past 15 minutes or so

If you're tempted to just sling an insult at an internet rando, do everyone (including yourself) a favor and take a break from the chat for a bit instead. :)

[stone python]

if you don't fluid buffer your fluid buffer, are you even doing fluids right

[idle brook]

soo far uve been in here typing for like 15min, and u havent commented on a single topic nor contributed with any type of opinion nor information to the conversation, uve just been sitting here insulting people, like atleast add to the conversation

[lunar python]

hate fluids bruh

give me 1.2 NOW

[ivory condor]

Watch it doesnt fix mk2 pipes

[lunar python]

so real 😭

[ivory condor]

This is going to happen, im sure of it

[idle brook]

call me crazy, ive unlocked mk2 pipes recently

[lofty forge]

fluid buffering your fluids gives them less consistant /min rates. unless you want to get a temporary power/fuel boost i guess

[idle brook]

but i think ima stick with mk1

[stone python]

was an obvious joke lol

[feral geyser]

efficiency is defined in a lot of different ways depending on the objective. underclocking uses more machines, but also uses less power and can help save space. you have to decide on a metric before you can say what is "more efficient." and whatever you decide is the metric might not be optimal for another player.

[white dawn]

In case it's 600/min flow problems you've been having problems with, btw:

Here's the advice I've got saved which will nearly always get you to working 600/min. IMO it's good advice even below that point, though the system is usually more forgiving before then. Note of course that people have gotten working systems while ignoring large swaths of this, and occasionally due to build styles or other vagaries you might still have problems even with all this. But IME it's nearly always "the pipes Just Work":

1. Keep the system as simple and short as possible.
2. Loop your manifolds (so: the input goes into both sides of the machines you're feeding)
3. Feed fluid from above, so gravity does part of the work for you
   4a. Avoid valves entirely (they've been improved for 1.0, so this one might not be as important, but you still don't actually need valves)
   4b. Avoid fluid buffers entirely (except as buffers for train lines, where they are rather necessary)
4. Prefill your pipes! Full pipes are happy pipes. Wait until the system's thoroughly saturated before turning machines on.
5. Place junctions before pipes. If you do snap junctions onto pipes, dismantle and rebuild the pipes afterwards.

See #screenshots message for an example of 2+3 specifically. And of course, as mentioned, the fluid simulation tends to be more forgiving as the rate goes down, so keeping your pipe systems below 600/min is another option too.

[lofty forge]

im stupid sometimes. sry.

[feral geyser]

you are just talking big mouth and think you are so good

you also never answered my question about your highest math class passed

[lunar python]

i do all this 😼

except looping the pipes

ill try that

[idle brook]

i simply stated my opinion, if that has gotten you this butthurt then i suggest taking a break from the screen

[white dawn]

Honestly, just disengage. You're not doing yourself any favors here

[ivory condor]

Oh you dont loop mk2 pipe manifold, that isnt good, your bound to have issues at 600m3 definitely, i do all the time

i would make it a rule to always loop those mk2 pipe manifolds in every case, to avoid problems

[white dawn]

Yeah, looped manifold is really the most important thing in there, really, for 600/min

[lunar python]

mainly letting the pipes and machines fill first helps me most of the time

[silk ocean]

Lure in xD

[idle brook]

in preperation for my first oil factory i read the 20 page long pdf on how fluids act in a pipe in satisfactory, and tbh let me save u all some time, the most important thing u need to know, is if pips is always lower than previous pipe (vertically) then stuff usually works xD

[white dawn]

The key is that sloshing and such is nearly guaranteed to happen, but the loop lets that happen in ways which (theoretically) don't affect the actual "feeder" pipe

[coral glacier]

I will overcomplicate my system, add pipes that go nowhere, use a varying set of regular and industrial buffers on the same line, will not loop, and i will be pumping UPHILL directly to the machines, and i will activate the cooling system after the generators are running.

[quick barn]

Do train stations still pause output when trains are dropping off goods?

[feral geyser]

this is the first semi-smart and correct thing you've said all night

[stone python]

yes

[white dawn]

Yep, 27sec or so

[idle brook]

eyy that means im 1 up on you, since u still havent said anything related to the conversation yet

[stone python]

which is why you should buffer your inputs/outputs. gets rid of any issues due to the pause

[feral geyser]

#satisfactory message
im not surprised you can't read direct replies

[idle brook]

anyway ima go continue working on my factory and continue to make everything "satisfactory"

[robust brook]

I passed 2nd grade 😀

[idle brook]

the thing u said had nothing to do with the game, u couldve inserted that in soo many other contexts without it loosing its meaning, it was a general comment on the word "effeciency" and not an actual piece of imformation, opinion, nor perspective of anything relating to the game itself, so as of now, you still havent added anything to the conversation about "satisfactory"

[coral glacier]

I "satisfactory" what you did there. 🤣

[analog dragon]

well now that its 1am i can finally go to bed bc, after 2 straight days of wiping my laptop clean and reinstalling windows, setting up my second PC just for youtube watching in the background, turning off all the telemetry and spying BS in windows... my game now finally runs at 60-120 fps, at 1080p with low settings. before, it was running at 30 with low settings at 720p

worth it

[stone python]

worth it

[white dawn]

To be fair, that in particular tends to be quite relevant to the channel. Folks do often ask about making something "efficient" in their factories, but it's a nearly impossible question to answer without knowing exactly what they mean by it. There are a lot of different ways to interpret it. (Can't speak to whether that's an apropos comment for the prior conversations, but it is often relevant to this channel, at least. :)

[robust brook]

That was quite the unsatisfactory joke

[feral geyser]

this is a direct response to you claiming that underclocking machines is a waste of efficiency

but i'm not surprised you couldn't draw that throughline either

[stone python]

[coral glacier]

But see, it was satisfying to say it!

[ivory condor]

technically underclocking machines is more energy efficient

I could argue not underclocking is wasting efficiency in terms of energy, if that counts for efficiency in this context

[feral geyser]

that was part of my point, yes

[stone python]

there is actually a point of UC that is the most energy efficient AND production efficient. Someone did the math, and the graphs are cool

[ivory condor]

oh ok, i havent been followed the convo that much, so forget if that was your point

[feral geyser]

tbh, you probably saved a few brain cells

[gritty sleet]

I saw Satisfactory supports framegen, but it seems to just be a toggle. Does it only support 2x framegen, and not the more-recent multi-framegen?

[ivory condor]

I like cool graphs, link link😃

[fiery pewter]

Yesterday I actually got to the realization that I created a day-job for myself

[white dawn]

Gotta make sure the factory is up to snuff before the bean factory inspectors show up!

[fiery pewter]

Well the factory will be fine

It is the 1350 MW biomass plant that needs to be filled at all times

[feral geyser]

time to upgrade to coal

[fiery pewter]

I might have cleared the entire northern forest of leaves and wood before I get to coal

[fiery pewter]

Not till I have automated what I wanted to automate

[feral geyser]

chances are, automating it will require more power

[ivory condor]

true, never tried 4x frame gen, my gpu doesnt support it anyways

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, early game biofuel is really intended to encourage you to get to the next power tier. :)

[silk ocean]

1350 MW biomass??

[fiery pewter]

Yeag

[silk ocean]

Time to go Coal xD

[ivory condor]

even if the game put in 4x frame gen, assuming its nvidia tech, as i dont have a 50 series gpu i couldnt use it regardless

[fiery pewter]

That is basic rates :p

[white dawn]

Phase 1 is really just "do whatever you need to get to Phase 2" mostly. ;)

[ivory condor]

mostly yes

phase 1 is just try to get fast as you can through, phase 2 is where the game start to get more interesting and by that i mean more better forms of automation start to get unlocked

[white dawn]

I'm guessing at the bell curve here, but I suspect few people end up with more than 12 bio burners, to get them into coal power

It's far more pleasant building things "big" without biofuel replenishment

[ivory condor]

i kind of hate the beginning of the game the most, especially early game hand crafting absolutely the worst

[feral geyser]

i usually do go up to about 18-24 burners, depending on start zone

[gritty sleet]

I just tried framegen for the first time in Cyberpunk, and it's way better than I was expecting it to be, based on what I've read about it online. Now I've got Satisfactory fully maxed out with FG turned on here too. 😄

[ivory condor]

early game i have always hated, because the game is about automation but early on your forced to hand craft, which i loath for obvious reasons

[fiery pewter]

See it like this:
1 constructor making biomass out of leaves makes 30 solid biofuel per minute (underclocked)
Four constructors making solid biofuel out of wood creates 3 belts of 50 bioguel per minute. I combine 10 of the 30 belt with thag, and get 3 belts of 60 Solid Biofuel per minute. One belt of 60 biofuel can supply 15 Biomass Burners, but that requires it to be constantly full

[white dawn]

At least with beltable bio burners, you're not punished for over-building 'em

[stone python]

as long as you get 60fps without FG, it looks good in a good chunk of stuff

[fiery pewter]

I have 45

[stone python]

but if you get less than 60 natively, youll notice more artifacts

[feral geyser]

I know, i can do basic math

[white dawn]

Just if you actually use all the power you've overbuilt. :)

[ivory condor]

bio burners pre 1.0 where literal hell to use and I hated those things

[fiery pewter]

I have to start a coal plant with it

[ivory condor]

like lets enjoy manually feeding these burners, each and every single one again...not dear god please send help

[fiery pewter]

-# and I am automating smart plating for some reason

[feral geyser]

You'll need some later

[white dawn]

Smart Plating can be fully automated on 4 burners (though it's tight. :)

[feral geyser]

For later project parts

[fiery pewter]

I've got 6 pure iron nodes, I've got to do something with them

[gritty sleet]

I'm aiming for 144, and I think FG gets better the higher the FPS, since the fake frames are visible for less time.

[fiery pewter]

Atleast this isn't the playthrough where I automated everything at basic rates

5 reinforced plates per minute=pain

[feral geyser]

Yeah, use clocks

[fiery pewter]

When you need 600

[feral geyser]

It helps a lot

Also, bolted recipes are underrated for getting higher rates with fewer machines

[unkempt blade]

this server is so melodramatic about any minor inconvenience

[white dawn]

Sure sure, so long as you're enjoying your biofuel overkill, all is good. Just so's you know it's your own decision that's providing said fun, is all. :)

[feral geyser]

(Here come the screw haters)

[fiery pewter]

Something in me knows I'm overbuilding power

[fiery pewter]

enjoying

No

[ivory condor]

Yeah generally FG gets worse the lower, introduces alot of image artifacts because of the fake ai frame and the input lag can get really bad, becaause introduces latency even using FG

[fiery pewter]

I am making the plant now, when I don't really have to

[ivory condor]

I would say aiming for above 60+ before FG in general is a good idea

[white dawn]

Heh, really, I recommend prioritizing coal power then. There's little reason to build big in Phase 1 unless you're really enjoying it

[fiery pewter]

My 2 current burners can handle one of the 2 grids at a time

[fiery pewter]

Well I do spend more time in phase 2 anyway

[white dawn]

Like it really is a problem of your own making, if you're not having a good time of it, at those scales

[fiery pewter]

1*

[ivory condor]

its good for smoothing games out, but imo FG cant be used for a replacement for actual performance, in my experience

[fiery pewter]

Very true

I've already made half of it, not going to back down now

[ivory condor]

frame motion smoothing is a better description for how I view frame gen in general

helps games feel smooth, in certain, with a decent enough frame rate ot start

[fiery pewter]

Is the right mindset ig

[white dawn]

Just remember that a cool 240/min coal will provide nearly the exact amount of power you currently have, and require zero upkeep. :)

[fiery pewter]

Trye

[fiery pewter]

But I have the experience of handcrafting nearly all the parts for a 240 coal per minute plant

[silk ocean]

Try 3600/min xD

[fiery pewter]

S E V E R A L T I M E S

[stone python]

try 10000/min

[fiery pewter]

Not planning to do that again

[ivory condor]

as long as you use 3 mk6 belts that can work

[ivory condor]

dont like that number, it isnt a even mk6 belts, so enjoy your 8.33333 repeating mk6 belts

[fiery pewter]

And I'll have a 270/min coal plant :p

Which is 18 generators

[native frost]

8 water

[fiery pewter]

Which...gives me

[native frost]

W a t e r hmmmm

[fiery pewter]

1350 MW

[celest umbra]

Hi

[fiery pewter]

The exact same amount

[fiery pewter]

Hi :3

[celest umbra]

Wsg

[unkempt blade]

Yeah once you know how the transition to coal works it's pretty easy to prep for it as you approach the end of T2. Now that you can deconstruct crash sites those are a really good source of materials for coal generators too

[fiery pewter]

Contemplating some recent choices

[celest umbra]

Okk

[fiery pewter]

Yeag

I am severely going to make use of the power towers

[celest umbra]

We can deconstruct ?

Crash sites?

[fiery pewter]

Yep

[celest umbra]

BRO

NO WAY I MADE A FLOOR FOR NOTHING

[unkempt blade]

there's materials scattered around them + you can deconstruct them after you claim the drive at that site

[celest umbra]

dang it

Thank you

[fiery pewter]

-# because 1350 MW ain't enough

Wait my math is horribly wrong

120 coal per minute = 1200 MW

Nvm

My math was, in fact, horribly correct

[silk ocean]

Wait what xD

[fiery pewter]

Self doubt core

[quick hound]

So I just finished making a rocket fuel factory

[fiery pewter]

I remembered having 2400 MW of coal power but forgot the created-2-plants-part

[fiery pewter]

Oh boyo

Wha happen

[quick hound]

I haven’t hooked it up to yet, but I might’ve huffed like an entire industrial fluid buffer with of it

It’s so good

[fiery pewter]

Lol

[quick hound]

You want some!

[fiery pewter]

I have a feeling that was not a question

[silk ocean]

15 Coal (per min)

[quick hound]

No, OPEN WIDE. casually forcefully places a tube in mouth that forced rocket fuel into lungs

:3

[fiery pewter]

Brhrlrbjrlrbrlrl

[silk ocean]

I had to find a Coal Gen xD

[median geyser]

why tf did i go make a coffee and come back to waterboarding roleplay?

[quick hound]

wtf is that??

[median geyser]

Oh Nether is back

[quick hound]

I just give him rocket fuel :3

[median geyser]

That makes sense

Carry on

[silk ocean]

waterboarding ? It's a thing

[quick hound]

Ykw, I don’t wanna know..

[quick hound]

how does the rocket fuel taste?

[feral geyser]

Although they're talking about rocket fuel

So it's probably more like dentist getting high on nitrous

[silk ocean]

Americans do it, and in movies xD

[median geyser]

I just realized Ive lost track of the train I was using to test my new rail branch... so he's just out joyriding around with no cars behind him 😂

[fiery pewter]

Lol

[quick hound]

you want more rocket fuel? How’d it taste?

[fiery pewter]

Gib

[quick hound]

chat I got him addicted

[ivory condor]

I'm not going to recommend drinking rocket fuel ok

[icy jetty]

you're not my dad

[quick hound]

It’s a gas, you huff it.

[icy jetty]

no you can drink it if you cool it down

[ivory condor]

I didn't say not to enjoy the rocket fuel, go right ahead

[shell lava]

@strange mountain #screenshots message WTF IS EVEN THAT

[quick hound]

here, take a bottle of rocket fuel to huff it

[ivory condor]

horror

[icy jetty]

-clone creation process begun-

[quick hound]

WHAT THE FUCK DID I SEE?!?

[ivory condor]

but really looks like they are building some sort of...sky city?

[shell lava]

Yeah ik

His PC = 🔥 🔥

[ivory condor]

another way to play the game apparently

its a unique way i admit i havent done....

[quick hound]

His PC wants to commit suicide

[shell lava]

Yeah, I finally took my train to the factory I'm making in the dune desert

[wicked nacelle]

@quick hound are you a witch?

you must be because you weigh the same as a duck.

[ivory condor]

when you have a 9950x3d rtx 5090 pc, you do this ok

[quick hound]

wat?

[ivory condor]

gotta put that hardware to work

[shell lava]

Gotta get that power to the factory

[odd fox]

Thats just the ionized stuff

[shell lava]

I'm gonna use power poles instead of power towers😏

[quick hound]

No??

[quick hound]

you monster.

[shell lava]

JK

[odd fox]

I just learnt pole towers exist...

[wicked nacelle]

https://youtu.be/rf71YotfykQ?si=tOZmGPI-MH5ZaqNM&t=131

[odd fox]

after like 350 hours in my save

[quick hound]

Sorry man, but I don’t click on random links.

[quick hound]

Wire spaghetti

[odd fox]

I dont see the use of pole towers

When you can just beam some power poles around

[normal arch]

Agreed, but now looking at my steel factory, i might start using them.

[odd fox]

Fair

Should i build my nuclear power plants next to the gyser and conveyer over the fuel about 800 meters or build my powerplants near by base with the rest and beam like 5 pipes 800 meters each

[ivory condor]

It's monty python, witch scene

i havent watched that movie in forever

[normal arch]

Maybe near a uranium vein and a water source

[odd fox]

Well currently ive got my powerplants connected from 2 different gysers

In one central location

[normal arch]

Where on the map is it?

[odd fox]

#screenshots message its like in a canyon

Lots of everything nearby

[feral geyser]

Oh that's the coal lake

I forget what people call it

[normal arch]

Ah... yeah i think that is a fine place...

[odd fox]

Well the two gysers each about 400 meters away are fully used

Powering the first 8 nuclear plants

[feral geyser]

Jesus

[odd fox]

I need another 30gw though to power my nuclear pasta particle accelerators

which need 15gw each

[ivory condor]

i overclock my PA's, which as one can imagine isnt great for power usage

[odd fox]

Same

Sloops make it go from 5gw to 15...

and maxed out with the power shards

[ivory condor]

I overclock and sloop some, they have very high power usage now indeed

[odd fox]

Yep, more for like 3 of them fully overclocked then my entire factory

im sending my fuel rods across the map on a journey so i can build my nuclear plants next to the gyser

[prisma hazel]

every save i get up to aluminium and burn out

[wicked nacelle]

you can just toss up 3 refineries and get a decent amount to get to the next phase -- no alts nothing fancy no quartz.

[wary perch]

Can I fill my coffee cup with the liquid from the geysers? No? I ask you then why not?!

[fiery pewter]

Imma have to spend some more time in the modeler

[little shale]

Just completed phase 4 and feeling a little burned out. Is phase 5 fun?

[little kettle]

Phase 5? That's like, time crystals and stuff right?

[unkempt blade]

phase 5 is a little less complicated imo but it's also still the same game if you're feeling burned out 😆

[little shale]

Yeah

So I’m close to the finish line yea

[normal arch]

Guys, other than the doggo cave at western beach, are there any other area that spawns a decent amount of doggos?

[fickle oriole]

does a truck/tractor have to load/unload at a truck stop to get refueled, or is it enough just to drive next to it?

[normal arch]

Just driving near one works

[sterile blade]

Iirc, the northern beaches, where tons of oil is

[normal arch]

Do you know where exactly on the northern beaches a group can spawn? Maybe using a map?

[sterile blade]

I don't recall the location that well. They're all well know though, so you'll likely find a picture of the map with circles on it if you look this up

(Circles for doggo locations)

[compact flicker]

How do people even manage mk3 miners

Its too much ore lmao I need 48 refineries 😭

[sterile blade]

It's your choice to use Pure recipes over other recipes :P

But yeah, the Refinery memes are real with those...

[sullen gull]

Unless Iron, Then used Leached.

[compact flicker]

Its for nuclear pasta :p

I wanna get the whole worth of the 3 copper veins im building on

[granite crypt]

Hi, does anyone know any server from the Spanish-speaking community?

[odd fox]

I have a incredible hatred towards copper powder

Why do I need like 300 copper for 50 of it

[compact flicker]

Really tightly packed powder

Nuclear pasta is extremely dense

[odd fox]

Clearly

[steel kelp]

Overclocking

By the time you get mk3s you arent far off automating power shards

[hard ivy]

48? Try 480. Or 1480. That's a lot of refineries

[steel kelp]

Is there a way to clean up my compass on the hud?

[hard ivy]

Yeah, you can toggle stuff from the map settings

[sullen gull]

You can hide and hide things through the map

[steel kelp]

Does hiding it from the map hide it from my compass?

[hard ivy]

There's 2 different settings for map and compass

[sullen gull]

There are two seperate options for map and compass

[steel kelp]

Oh i didnt see that lol ty

[sterile blade]

Can you stop answering on 2 accounts at the same time?!

[steel kelp]

Omg thats so much better

[sterile blade]

Like, pick your favorite already 😭

[sterile blade]

Lots of vehicles? ^^

[sullen gull]

I feel that would be a severe case of DID

[median geyser]

What are my options for increasing throughput on a single train line? I have a train that does a single loop, from a few sulphur mines, down to a nearby base, and back again.Im currently getting around 500/min throughput, but I need 625+

[sterile blade]

Add another train (same freights, more trains serving them)

[median geyser]

Dont I need a two-way line for that?

[sullen gull]

Second car?

[steel kelp]

Like 10 trains and about 30 drones, but having all the drone ports and stations is a lot of clutter

[hard ivy]

More trains or more wagons. Sometimes faster belts can help, but rarely

[sterile blade]

Well... You need it to avoid having many trains clog one rail 😅

[hard ivy]

If it's a loop, no, you don't need a second loop going the opposite direction. It'd probably help with higher volumes of trains but it's not strictly necessary

[median geyser]

Nah my belts are at 720/min, and on the node side they are being fed like 800+/min. Technically they are the limit, but on the factory side im only getting 500ish

[median geyser]

Its less a loop than a single line with two bubbles at the end :p The train just drives in a loop back and forth

[hard ivy]

Ah, yeah, that'll not handle more than 1 train well

[median geyser]

Aight, time to renovate and add 2nd freight stations to cramped areas 😂

[odd fox]

I just got up to the little sky city

caught a ride ontop of the space elevator as it went up ( I died but my body landed on the lower area of it)

[lucid storm]

how do splitter work if input is something like 5/min?

[median geyser]

It evenly cycles output 1, 2, then 3

input speed is irrelevent i believe

[whole drum]

It's input / # of outputs

[hard ivy]

Also, fyi, due to the effects of the loading pause, the cap on mk5 belts with items stackable to 100 is actually ~639/min instead of the 780 it'd be normally.

Now, you can use 2 belts per platform, which gives you a theoretical max of over 1275/min (per platform/wagon), but you need a proper setup to reach that. If you just connect a single belt straight to the platform, you'll be capped to 640 or even lower

You're most likely limited by the train's route's length, not the platform itself, but still, might wanna keep that in mind

[median geyser]

Very interesting, thank you

Also to be clear, thats a limit of 640 per station per minute?

[whole drum]

Kyo, the master of rails, has spoken thus. Here ye, and obey!

[hard ivy]

Per belt per minute

[median geyser]

Perfect, ty

[hard ivy]

If you connect 2 belts to a single platform, it's gonna be ~1280

I probably shouldn't be rounding these up, should I

It's 1278.6

[median geyser]

Ah, my throughput isnt even close to that thankfully

[odd fox]

#streams-and-videos message just went flying

[median geyser]

Could temporarily install a god mode mod so that you live and can explore up there

[odd fox]

That would be fun

My particle accelerator needs 1500 coal to make some diamonds, how do i get1500 coal into 1 conveyer line?>

[median geyser]

Unless there are some insane conveyor tiers coming that I dont have yet (im at t5 atm) then you dont, you run multiple lines

[grizzled orchid]

It has 2 inputs for just such occasions

[fluid sapphire]

Idk if this was mentioned, but do you use containers to buffer the input and output to your freight platforms?

That helps alleviate the pauses

[odd fox]

Well one you get enough diamonds and ficit material youcan make tier 6

[median geyser]

ooou ill do that, ty

[fluid sapphire]

You will probably find that once you do that, your throughput issues magically disappear, if they don't, you need more wagons/trains probably

[dapper hollow]

How much will a 250% overclocked nuclear powerplant produce when running on uranium fuel rods and what if you switch over to plutonium fuel rods

[fluid sapphire]

!wikisearch npp

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=npp

[odd fox]

on uranium fuel its 6250

I dont know about plutonium

[hard ivy]

2.5 * 2500 = 6250 MW. Regardless of fuel

[strange mica]

is the map the same regardless of starting zones? I just got an achievement saying I went to all four zones, but kinda confused I thought each starting zone was like "a new map/world"

[whole drum]

1 map

[plush moat]

There's no loss with overclocked generators right? So ideally with any big power plant project, you want to OC it all?

[strange mica]

just different starting locations of the "same map" that's awesome

Feel like a dumbass just figuring that out tho

[whole drum]

OC'ing the gens just makes it so you have to build fewer of them

[plush moat]

Thank you

That's the plan, don't want to place down a thousand of these

[whole drum]

Conversely, you could down clock them to like 5% and build 20x as many to be super impressive

[plush moat]

That'll be great for the youtube views

[whole drum]

"Content"

[median geyser]

The fabled 1/minute capped playthrough

[fiery pewter]

"I made some horrible choices to make my life as miserable as possible trying to make some "content""

[fluid sapphire]

as long as you have the power shards to back that plan up

[plush moat]

Just automated 25/min

[fluid sapphire]

no problem then

[fiery pewter]

That's atleast 2 particle accelerators for nuclear pasta

[plush moat]

i'd do a shameless plug but lmao

[merry granite]

have the devs discussed adding weather to the game? that would be really cool i think

[plush moat]

underclock the particle accelerators and place multiple of them, they use less power and you need less coal

[silk ocean]

Yea xD

[odd fox]

thank you

[merry granite]

what have they said

[silk ocean]

Rain may come

[fiery pewter]

Weather was a thing pre-U8

It has been back on the drawing board ever since

[fiery pewter]

1.2 no?

[merry granite]

really? i dont remember there being whether when i played pre u8

[fiery pewter]

Well, apparently there was

I started playing when U8 dropped

[silk ocean]

Not sure when but I think weather shall return.. sometime xD

[fiery pewter]

So I have no personal experience

My school's WiFi is absolutely dogwater

[silk ocean]

Get into the IT department, that's what I did, then... Wired Ethernet xD

[fiery pewter]

Phone doesn't have Ethernet port last time I checked

[silk ocean]

This was 1995

[fiery pewter]

But it's also the fault of my provider

[silk ocean]

Not sure if WiFi existed then

Early 90s

[fiery pewter]

Ah

[silk ocean]

3.11 came out early 92

[fiery pewter]

Don't mean to offend

But to me, this is

🦖

[merry granite]

im offended

[silk ocean]

Before birth? xD

[fiery pewter]

I'm from 2009

[fiery pewter]

Sowwy :3

[whole drum]

The nice part is that shards in gens don't cost power, unlike most other things, so there's not really a drawback to using them this way beyond scarcity

[silk ocean]

There is no offense xD

[fiery pewter]

I also was under the impression that miners could be slooped

But I guess CSS doesn't want to do logistics mk7 yet

[silk ocean]

You can read about history if you like, but no requirement

[fiery pewter]

Kinda into history, but not a lot

[silk ocean]

No need but if interested, sure xD

[fluid sapphire]

i like my 1200 generators

[pine patrol]

just got the cyberwagon and it immediately crashed my game when i tried to drive it

[hasty dragon]

Peak cyberwagon experience

[sharp basin]

Can’t find a map for doggos? Somebody? 🐕

[pine patrol]

wdym

[sharp basin]

Is there a map with doggos locations?

[pine patrol]

i dont think so

good luck with that ._.

i fed some random lizzard doggo like a week ago havent seen it since

[odd fox]

Do people late game fight with zappers or guns or do they just use nobelisks

Cause it seems im the only one who just flies up with my jetpack and throws a nuke on my enemy

[whole drum]

Basic Rifle, Exp Rebar, Cluster Nobs--these are my fav weapons

[fluid sapphire]

passive mode

[odd fox]

You should try out just flying up with jetpacks and using nukes

its super fun and it kills everything in 1 hit

[whole drum]

Oh, I didn't mention nukes because they are so late in the game

[odd fox]

I used to use regular nobelisks before i made nukes

[odd fox]

early t3 arent they?

[whole drum]

Clusters are amazing.

You don't get nuke stuff until phase 4 or 5 (I forget which)

[odd fox]

I got nukes in phase 3

wait no nvm it is phase 4

I was thinking the phases happened after you put the stuff in the space elevator, but thats completing the phase

[whole drum]

Yeah, usually it's according to the phase you're working on that it unlocks in

[silk ocean]

Did you ever get your parents to answer xD

[frail sleet]

Not just that. There's less difference between frames, so it's easier to generate accurately - and there's less latency, since the added latency is a fraction of a frame time (which is lower at higher fps)

[near thicket]

Does using overflow smart splitters make manifolds prime faster, slower, or the same?

[reef basin]

most likely slower

though I'm not sure now

[plush moat]

Should not make a difference since the same amount of time will be needed to prime (n-1) machines

[reef basin]

oh it does make a difference

[plush moat]

Once (n-1) machines are full of materials, only then will the final one start making stuff

[near thicket]

That's what I figured but I think it would tickle my brain better

[plush moat]

So it may look like it's faster

Since the first few machines will reach max output faster

[reef basin]

but normal manifolds only fill n-2 machines

[whole drum]

It shouldn't have an impact on throughput except to prevent stoppage/slowdowns

It's a safety net

[plush moat]

In that sense it'd be even slower tho

[reef basin]

yeah, smart splitters would be slower

[plush moat]

Since for a manifold the final two will start production with the final 50/50 split

But an overflow splitter will wait for the n-1 to be full

But the time it takes to reach that final splitter will be the same

[reef basin]

it's not even that simple 🙂

[near thicket]

So to get same speed but brain tickle I need to do smart splitters but leave the last one as a regular?

[plush moat]

no

[reef basin]

but yeah, I wouldn't build anything extra for manifolds, just build them normally

[whole drum]

Well, that "n-2" thing would depend on if the resources matched throughput with input. You won't need an overflow in this case. If there's enough for overflow to be necessary, it will fill faster than the usual n-2.

[reef basin]

just build it all out of normal splitters and max speed belt

[plush moat]

connect inputs, don't connect outputs yet, finish everything else, machines should be full by then

[reef basin]

or prefill

[near thicket]

The other thing I wanted to ask was the light panel works like a rudimentary power switch just for lights right? If I turn it off it disconnects all attached lights from the grid?

[sterile blade]

If only you could use power switches to change the color of generators too, like with the light control panel...

[sterile blade]

I'm confused why you of all people would say that o.O
Isn't the usual "fill one machine at a time for fastest warm-up" true anymore?

Ie: the least machines are active during warmup, the least items are consumed, the faster the machines fill up their input inventories and overflow as needed

[deft bay]

The overflow does change the speed you consume thing, so it should be faster

[sterile blade]

For clarity, my confusion stems from the fact that me and greeny already happened to discuss and agree on that

[hearty kiln]

i hate needing to clean my glasses each day bruh

[reef basin]

I said it above - with smart splitters you need to fill n-1, not n-2 machines

[mossy moon]

max belt speed AND with enough items buffered 🤓

[reef basin]

don't need buffered items

[mossy moon]

or set clock speed to 1% so items still go in

[mossy moon]

why not?

even with fast belts if the supply is coming from the machines directly and if those machines just turned on, the supply will still come in at the normal rate and not the max belt speed

[reef basin]

why yes? manifold will fill no matter what

[mossy moon]

for speed

[reef basin]

I said "need"

[mossy moon]

one more question. cant you make the last smart splitter a normal splitter so it still has to over flow n-2 machines

and still get the speed boost

idk

[glass pagoda]

I recently figured out that aracnaphobia mode turns spiders into cat pngs

[whole drum]

The best cure for arachnophobia is pyromania.

[reef basin]

and you needed to ping me with that on irrelevant message

[whole drum]

You have been pung.

[sterile blade]

That's just one detail of the manifold... It barely impacts if the manifold up faster or not, unless it's a "short" one, the biggest contributor should be the rest of the manifold (so, literally everything except the last splitter)

[reef basin]

as I said, I'm not 100% sure about this, but I've run some simulations and afaik it turned out it's not that good

but as with anything, it depends a lot on specifics of the manifold

[sterile blade]

Generally speaking, it's obvious that having to fill less machines is more convenient (ie: best to finish a manifold with a normal splitter), but focusing on just the end of the manfold to decide wether one should use smart or normal splitters to make it spin up faster makes no sense: just use smart splitters for speed and decide what you want to do with the single splitter ending the manifold 🤷‍♂️

[reef basin]

the point is that (again, afaik) smart splitters do not create as much time during the manifold to negate the need to fill one extra machine (at very low items/min due to being at the end of manifold)

[bleak minnow]

Is there a setting in graphics that makes emissives act a bit more light points of light? 🤔

[sharp basin]

Crazy what doggos cand find. Got 7 for now in my HUB and they already were a HUGE help for MAM.

Aiming for 12 inside my HUB, will be a cool kennel.

For now they do not despawn.

[strange mica]

is there a way to raise blueprint conveyer belts like when you're manually placing them?

[dense violet]

everythign in a bp is set and built as is

[sterile blade]

Nothing outside of the "global illumination" settings. Mods can help though

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> any indications you can share as to which version of UE that game will be upgraded to next?

[leaden turret]

(asking the above question because this may shed some light on future light settings)

[bleak minnow]

new question. So, grabbing signals for trains, the build hologram also shows track segments coverage right?
Why would a segment be red instead of the dotted line thing-

[frail sleet]

Overflow smart splitters reduce the time to 100% output quite significantly, but they do that by producing less on the way there.

[silk ocean]

Pinging CM again

[bleak minnow]

I assumed that meant there was a problem and trains would get stuck, but then- it's working fine? o.O
unless it's like- "This seems kinda short" is also a thing it will show

[reef basin]

the color of segment has no special meaning, just different colored segments are... well, different segments

[bleak minnow]

yea, but then there's a deep red segment that looks different-

[reef basin]

we need to get a few of these a day yeah

[bleak minnow]

oh-

[abstract heron]

How about ficmas stuff 😛

[reef basin]

make a #1038092680493801533 post

and attach the image

[leaden turret]

we already know we're only getting a new calendar

[abstract heron]

and maybe bug fixes?

[bleak minnow]

ah ok so it was just me being an idiot and not noticing the fact the deep red was just normal segment colors xD
The red blended in with the track a bit so I didn't notice the dashed lines on the slopes of the rail

[leaden turret]

they're intending to make sure console players can ficsmas it up, yes

[bleak minnow]

new question! again xP
if two train tracks are close enough, will it count it as the same segment

[hard ivy]

I'm kinda joining the conversation with half the context, but as far as I have found, manifolds with smart splitters that fill one machine at a time are noticeably faster than ones with regular splitters.

And that's with filling n-1 machines. Swapping the last splitter for a regular one would speed it up even more, by cutting out the largest element of the sum

[abstract heron]

wow 20 coffeestainers are on WOW not counting mikael or jason

[leaden turret]

whut?

[abstract heron]

20 people online from coffeestain studios marv

[leaden turret]

oh, thought you meant they're playing WoW 😛

and my brain was like, "no... they're a final fantasy shop"

[abstract heron]

Next week monday week From today its december

[whole drum]

I was sitting here surprised that devs would have time for an MMO at all...

[leaden turret]

Hannah is known to skateboard in her free time

CSS devs as a whole are known to be pro-pvp, going so far as to try to off each other in co-op game lobbies

[quick hound]

HI KYO!

[strange mica]

I'm curious how other people approach this, but my question is when transferring resources do you transfer items raw or smelt them before transferring to factories?

[hasty cairn]

If it's something that isn't useful in base form, like raw quartz or caterium, I smelt it on-site

[reef basin]

build factories near raw resources

[hasty cairn]

well... turn quartz into crystals and silica, rather

But iron ore can be turned into steel, for instance.

[whole drum]

Process as much as possible on site and transfer advanced products to a hub for further processing

[reef basin]

quartz has more uses tho

[strange mica]

I'm kinda struggling with building factories near resources atm, that's why I'm asking, feels like I'm running from Setup to setup to collect the completed items currently

[hasty cairn]

That's what trucks are for

[strange mica]

Oh I haven't unlocked them yet, I've just got the little one and I didn't have enough bio fuel to run it consistently

[hasty cairn]

Though, I admit, I've been wanting to design a main bus system to move resources in raw form, then just turn them into whatever advanced form(s) I need

Yeah, by 'trucks' I really just mean 'tractors'

[whole drum]

I don't find it necessary to transfer anything before phase 4, but some people love their trains

[strange mica]

I think youtubing advice was my downfall

I saw all this "mega factory" videos and I was like pretty!

[whole drum]

Youtubers are usually more concerned with "content" than teaching

[frail sleet]

Some items get bigger when you process them, others get smaller. Best to transport small. So e.g. copper ore/ingots, not wire.

[strange mica]

I dunno if this is the right choice, but I kinda wanna build on the water, since it's a mostly "flat" surface

[hidden spruce]

The water is not all buildable area

[strange mica]

Oh it's not?

it went out pretty far when I was testing it, so I thought it would be easier to setup there

[hasty cairn]

Start with a "Mall". That's a place where you have storage containers stacked two high in a row, each of which has different parts you need. You go to the mall to fill up on iron plate, rotors, cables, steel, et cetera. Everything you need is right there

You feed into the containers from above, below, and to the side. This keeps everything clean

[reef basin]

main bus is just not ideal for SF

[strange mica]

I really like that idea, I've just been having random storages at each location

[reef basin]

instead just put things into depots, no need for mall

[hasty cairn]

It minimizes walking time

[strange mica]

How do you guys use dimensional depots btw?

[green fiber]

You put stuff in and then you don't need to run around to grab stuff for building as much

[reef basin]

depots remove walking time 😛

[green fiber]

Early on you can only really use a small number of them

[strange mica]

Ya I meant like, do you attach one to each resource before transfering them?

[ocean frost]

Put building material or when you are exploring it's like an extra inventory

[green fiber]

I make a production line that feeds it directly, with a buffer storage in front for the bigger demand that it cant deliver

I dont tap off from production

[strange mica]

what I have atm is Steel Beams splitting into a Depot & Container so I always have them for MK3 stuff (my current prog point)

[ocean frost]

It's basically a chest that's connected to your inventory

[marble crag]

guys i just unlocked modeler mk1 but i cant use anyuthing outsite the modeler is it normal?

[ocean frost]

It's like an ender chest but you can have hoppers put items into it

[green fiber]

Be more specific

[strange mica]

Now you're speaking my Language

[green fiber]

Blueprint Designer Mk 1?

[quick hound]

HI GILL!!!

[marble crag]

i made a factory in my modeler mk1 and i wnt to connect it with a mine but i cant

it says i cant connect something outssite the mideler

[ocean frost]

Hi

[green fiber]

Yeah that doesnt work like that.

You build it in the designer, save it and then you can build that with one click

Outside the designer

[marble crag]

ohh but how

[green fiber]

You go up to the console on the designer and save the design first

Then you open your build menu and look at the top where it says "blueprints"

[marble crag]

oh yh i just saw it ty man

[quick hound]

I boop your nose! >:)

Satisbactory

[nova igloo]

"the sea is made of billions of faces each staring at you with hope and tears in their eyes" I'm sorry?!?!

ADA be freaky

[hasty cairn]

ADA is GLADoS ascended to godhood

[whole drum]

This is my current headcanon

[sonic verge]

can someone give me some advice on how to get residual oil into an refinery on a raised pipeline setup? I created a pipe pillar thats about 3 4m blocks high and it works with water but not with the residual oil

[reef basin]

if fluid doesn't go up, it's most likely headlift issue, check if you have enough headlift

[whole drum]

Either that or you're not producing enough

[sonic verge]

not sure how to correct that, I have 2 fluid buffers leading it into the pipes

[whole drum]

Don't use buffers unless there's a really important reason to

[leaden turret]

buffers reset headlift, iirc

I think they also have (had?) variable headlift depending upon capacity

[reef basin]

"really important reason" for buffers is practically only "buffering train platforms"

[primal obsidian]

sometimes I use buffers so I don’t have to wait for a liquid manifold to balance cause I don’t want to turn 27 fuel gens off and on again

[sonic verge]

I tried routing the pipes with no buffers. same problem.

[primal obsidian]

or well speed it up

[reef basin]

better to underclock the gens

[green fiber]

The buffers and fuel gen trick only works if the buffer was filled up first and if you arent using the full pipe capacity

[whole drum]

Just to be clear, when you say "residual oi," are you using the basic rubber/plastic recipes? Have you ensured that those are not stalled out on the solids side?

[primal obsidian]

well I was using full capacity so I guess that’s not th reason it balanced

[green fiber]

Yeah with full capacity that trick doesnt work

[whole drum]

They require enough headlift to reach the top of the buffer

[green fiber]

The buffers also only apply head lift on thr output equal to how full they are

[leaden turret]

yar, variable headlift

[primal obsidian]

guys should I add 36 gens to the unused diluted fuel setup I was testing, multiplayer server and the grid is 85-90 GW phase 4

[green fiber]

In any case, if you have stuff above a buffer, use a pump on the buffer output as close to ground level as possible

Else you will have to wait an eternity for nothing

And the buffer literally can no longer buffer

[quick hound]

Add 136

[primal obsidian]

what

[whole drum]

360

[quick hound]

420 fuel gens

[primal obsidian]

i mean maybe I could im using only 200m^3 of oil

could overclock it

not 136 just like 10 more or something

[quick hound]

Make it 20 more

[silk ocean]

2976 far apart

[sonic verge]

nope. its sending through what it needs. its constantly going. it only stops when my buffers are filled then I have to manually flush them to get it going again

[quick hound]

aye aye, it’s captain Zatie! :>

[silk ocean]

Yep

[sonic verge]

I really dont want to spaghetti the pipe to make it work. I spent a lot of time on that raised pillar blueprint

[primal obsidian]

oh boy can’t wait to make 64 electromagnetic control rods/min for nuclear

[quick hound]

Make it 69/min and everything will be okay

[primal obsidian]

but I don’t need 69/min i need 64/min

[quick hound]

DO IT

[whole drum]

What are you using the pillar for?

[quick hound]

Do it or I’ll feast on that cat in your pfp like a leech.

[primal obsidian]

uh I can’t find any place with caterium oil copper and iron near

[whole drum]

DM your map so far

[quick hound]

Can I get some coffee plez?

[primal obsidian]

wait nvm someone made a copper caterium and iron refinery that are all unused and making like 1000 of each ingots

oh wait that means I can use steamed copper she alt

sheet

[quick hound]

Give me that cat in your pfp, I’m hungry

[primal obsidian]

uh no

[quick hound]

uh yes

[primal obsidian]

nuh uh

[quick hound]

Uh yes

[quick hound]

let me eat that cat right now

YES

[sonic verge]

it has 2 pipeline wall mounts. so my pipes are raised above the ground for less clutter

I can DM a screenshot of it for you

[shell lava]

Can anybody help me?

[nova igloo]

I forgot how slow the start was

[quick hound]

No, I’m good.

[nova igloo]

with?

[shell lava]

BRO I DO NOT UNDERSTAND PATH SIGNALS AND BLOCK SIGNALS!

[bleak minnow]

path is throughout the block, block signal is the end of the block

[nova igloo]

there's a few videos on it. I gave up on trying to figure it out and just routed the trains on separate rails

[spare stratus]

Block signal: Train cannot enter block if another train is on it
Path signal: Train cannot enter block if another train is on it, and/or the next block in its path

[bleak minnow]

what

[shell lava]

I want 2 trains on one lane, it splits up after some time

[whole drum]

Sure

[bleak minnow]

Start of junctions use path signals. End of junctions use block signals.

[quick hound]

Gilga can I have coffee? I made a rocket fuel factory

[bleak minnow]

I'll try to get an example for path/block signals

[shell lava]

Can I DM you some pictures of what I want?

[quick hound]

Who wants some blended up pioneers in a cup?

[spare stratus]

Oh damn we can't post pictures.. I just made a paint about it...

[bleak minnow]

screenshots, then link to the message

[shell lava]

Just send in screenshots

[spare stratus]

#screenshots message

Paint and backgrounds suck... Idk how to make it white

[quick hound]

bro you can’t see what you drew 😭

[shell lava]

Can I DM some of you so I can send some screenshots of what I want?

[quick hound]

If you dm me I will violently quack at you

[spare stratus]

Open in browser 😂

[sonic verge]

@whole drum thats of my water. I am not home to take one of the oil setup. ill do that tonight

[quick hound]

I SMELL OIL! GIVE ME SOME! I’M THIRSTY

[spare stratus]

#screenshots message There we go!

[fluid sapphire]

put them in your post

[quick hound]

you gotta prepare a man to be flashbanged

[spare stratus]

Who the hell wants darkmode paint pics?

[bleak minnow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1442528106027159745/image.png?ex=6925c27d&is=692470fd&hm=a5411fe55c1abc6c3874c62a02a31c7e92baf5dc802e99821412243927951671&
I have forgotten entirely about how the signals work

[shell lava]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1442517842636308753

[bleak minnow]

but uh- well I just treat it as if path signals are for the start/midpoints of a junction, and blocks are the end of a junction.
Of course, to make trains be allowed in both directions, you need to place 2 signals on the same spot, facing opposite directions. For example, my stations: #screenshots message

[lone ingot]

uh where can i find the server for SF+?

[reef basin]

send anywhere else than in screenshots, #screenshots isn't for this kind of content

[bleak minnow]

oh-
sorry x3

should I delete my msgs?

[reef basin]

no need, but you could have this conversation in e.g. #math-and-meta without need to go across multiple channels 🙂

[bleak minnow]

ah oki! sorry about that ^.^

[reef basin]

#screenshots is practically just for showing off cool things you have built 🙂

for any questions or discussions, there are other channels (e.g. #1038092680493801533, #design-and-architecture , #math-and-meta , etc.)

[quick hound]

hai greenmany

how are you greeny?

[quick hound]

I hope you’re doing well. :>

[reef basin]

can I not be pinged with every message

[quick hound]

I’m sorry, it’s a habit to not turn off pings when I reply

[reef basin]

especially when the reply is completely irrelevant

[quick hound]

Yeah, my bad.

But how are you today?

[whole drum]

Pung*

[lone ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/isforme-is-mine-mine-me-gif-21988878

oh the gif didnt work

[ivory condor]

shhh the ben is talking

oh i scared them away, nvm

[quick hound]

Pong

[ivory condor]

Poor Ben, I'm sure he wants to talk, wherever he is

[quick hound]

[reef basin]

embeds are disabled in this channel (and your message is perfect example why 😛 )

[lone ingot]

oh sorry

[ivory condor]

Lets not turn this channel into embed spam

[near thicket]

JUST realized an elevator can act as a floor to floor power spire without having to run wire through foundations

[quick hound]

let’s turn this channel into something about this weird game called satisfactory, I think it’s about building a house

[near thicket]

Sick

[quick hound]

Would it be possible to create a Ficsonium factory if I was somehow able to sloop every single machine?

I know there isn’t enough SAM on the map, but still, if I was able to sloop it all..

[reef basin]

I give up

[quick hound]

What?

I think I broke greeny

[reef basin]

I can't even count how many times you did this

• you reply to a irrelevant message
• you ping me
• you ask me a question that isn't directed to me

it's annoying

[quick hound]

ah! I’m sorry..

I’ll just ask in questions

[ivory condor]

I think this chat in general broke Ben also, he keeps on wanting to talk but so far nothing

[median rain]

Dude I've been looking everywhere and I can’t find out how to open those crude oil deposits at the very left side of the map that are covered in rocks

[ivory condor]

It's ok Ben this chat breaks everyone, at some point

[south sinew]

use an explosive like explosive rebar or nobelisk to clear the rocks

[primal obsidian]

what’s the ratio of uranium waste to plutonium fuel Rod

[median rain]

Dude I threw down like 20 nobelisks and it didn’t blow up

[south sinew]

you might want to be more specific about exactly which deposits you're talking about

maybe a #screenshots ?

[median rain]

I sent it

[primal obsidian]

oh its an oil well what tier are you

[reef basin]

or rather #1038092680493801533

[quick hound]

Hi sneed.. I’m going to eat that cat in your pfp.. GET OVER HERE

[south sinew]

those aren't deposits, they are resource wells, you need resource well pressurisers to harvest them

[primal obsidian]

uhh no

[south sinew]

you can't use a conventional oil extractor

[median rain]

Dang it bro

Guess I’ll have to move my location to somewhere else

[south sinew]

I thought that the game had a highlight or something for the oil wells you could actually access when you scan for oil

try the south east of the map in the blue crater, there's tons of oil, coal, sulfur, and water available there

[ivory condor]

Ok then

[median rain]

Oh nvm there’s a normal and pure vein right by where I am

[primal obsidian]

yeah but what’s the ratio of uranium waste to plutonium rod

[quick hound]

@reef basin sorry to ping you, but could you DM me a list of satisfactory tools for calculations?

[south sinew]

depends on what recipes you use

suddenly blocking Nether

[quick hound]

bro

I didn’t even do anything to you 😭

[south sinew]

I think spamming greeny again after he made it clear that this was undesired makes it clear to me that you're simply a troll who serves no useful purpose

[white dawn]

Folks, if you do decide to block someone, you don't need to make a whole production about it. The server does not need to know who you're blocking; just block and move on

[quick hound]

How are you, Tech?

[ivory condor]

Well this isn't going to end well I can tell....

[lunar python]

Not satisfactory

[median rain]

I checked on satisfactory calc and it said 200 waste to 1 rod per minute

Or 4 uranium rods

[white dawn]

Depends entirely on the recipes you use. https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production can be used to compare recipe chains; play with it and find out. :)

[primal obsidian]

okay thanks

[white dawn]

satisfactory-calculator.com's a pretty poor solver, btw; I'd recommend using basically any other solver than that one. But regardless, the real answer depends entirely on the recipe chain. There's no one answer. :)

(satisfactory-calculator.com's map functionality is, obvs, A+, but the factory-solver portion isn't great)

[whole drum]

It's not about blocking someone; it's about sending a message. 🤡