satisfactory

[reef basin]

(read as "gibibyte")

[stable prairie]

You learn something new everyday

[median rain]

My bad, accidentally said watts

[abstract heron]

A gibbiyete what’s that

[reef basin]

1024 megabytes 😉

[white dawn]

Convenience notation for working with computers where powers of 2 rule

[median rain]

A unit of information in technology

[leaden turret]

it's when you climb up a tree and lose an argument with a gibbon

[abstract heron]

I am hoping that the models or anything just gets a little polish for ficmas before rolling out and seeing the new calendar <@&370483737957236737>

[leaden turret]

can't get polish, is swedish

[reef basin]

if you use metric with bytes, you go up by 1000
if you use binary, you add i betweeen metric prefix and B and go up by 1024

[abstract heron]

Or a sneak peek for this years calendar

I already did it so I’ll just be grabbing the rewards

[reef basin]

yeah but even with "bytes" it's not true 😉

[median rain]

Mb was is bits then?

[reef basin]

no

1000 kilobytes (kB) is 1 megabyte (MB)
1024 kibibytes (kib) is 1 mebibyte (MiB)

difference between metric bytes and binary bytes 😉

[tender sapphire]

Salut, je suis Français et je cherche des personnes françaises avec qui je pourrais jouer à Satisfactory. Malheureusement, mes amis ne sont pas intéressés par ce jeu, donc je cherche d’autres joueurs ! / Hi, I'm French and I'm looking for French players to play Satisfactory with. Unfortunately, my friends aren't interested in the game, so I'm looking for other players!

[hard ivy]

#1201555265942724758

[leaden turret]

#1201555265942724758

see also #rules on english-only in main channels

[tender sapphire]

Ty ! ^^

[quick hound]

#screenshots message boys, I broke it.

[quick hound]

HI KYO!

[steel kelp]

Is this the truck thing

[quick hound]

no.

[steel kelp]

Oh lol

[quick hound]

Wdym truck thing?

[steel kelp]

The truck thing is so easy i tried it with fuel just to see and had like 40 stacks in 2 mins

[steel kelp]

Is what you posted not a dupe glitch?

[quick hound]

nope! I was flying around the map with hyper tubes, gathering sloops, spheres and slugs and found at the edge of the map in some weird spots some slugs. I picked them up and it didn’t disappear so I spent a while grabbing an absolute metric fuck ton, and found sloops nearby and Mercer spheres that did the same thing

[brazen coral]

Lol

[steel kelp]

That’s so weird lol

Do you have an ss of where in the map

[quick hound]

yup! I didn’t even know there was a truck dupe glitch

[quick hound]

that’s my secret 😉

I don’t want it to be patched

[steel kelp]

Its all over youtube it’s pretty ridiculous

[quick hound]

I’ll check it out! Maybe it’ll be much faster than gathering it from those spots..

[hard ivy]

wasn't it fixed? or is this different from the factory cart dupe glitch?

[shy mulch]

If you want more stuff just edit your save?

[steel kelp]

No it’s different

[quick hound]

I’m on ps5

[shy mulch]

Use AGS then

[quick hound]

nooo I want trophies

[hard ivy]

haven't seen it then

[steel kelp]

I tried it with random items and it worked

[glass pagoda]

Hi

How are yall

[shy mulch]

This isn't twitch

[quick hound]

hey uhh, what’s the purple liquid you get from refineries I forgot

[glass pagoda]

Im just saying hi

[hard ivy]

why do you constantly change your pfp

like I change mine literally like once a decade

[glass pagoda]

Im trying to find what works for me

[quick hound]

Same. I’ve change my pfp 3 times since I first made my account.

[hard ivy]

heavy oil residue, aka HOR

[quick hound]

how do I use the wiki bot haha

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch and then the name of the page you want to search

[glass pagoda]

What

[reef basin]

or just search on wiki directly?

[quick hound]

!wikisearch hor

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=hor

[glass pagoda]

Yummy

[quick hound]

I’m lazy

[reef basin]

you type the same amount of letters in to search

[hard ivy]

fewer, because wiki has autocomplete

[glass pagoda]

Why is greeny blue

[reef basin]

and you don't need to write !wikisearch in the search

[white dawn]

Woes, troubles, you name it

[quick hound]

I STUBBED MY TOE IN MY SHOE FUCK

[glass pagoda]

Is the shoe okay?

[quick hound]

no, it’s old and ripping apart already

[glass pagoda]

Aw

[quick hound]

Inflation is hurting my family hard, we can’t afford new shoes for me rn.

[pine patrol]

is dark matter residue a liquid or gas?

[hard ivy]

gas

[white dawn]

I think neither, technically, yeah?

(I mean, in the game code I'm sure it's a gas. But I think the official line is that it's Something Else™)

[pine patrol]

i mean how it behaves in pipes

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, behaves like a gas, at least. :)

[zealous valley]

Should I be upgrading my older belts as I unlock higher mks?

[zenith pecan]

Only if you need more throughput from that belt.

[zealous valley]

Like change all mk1 to mk2 and then all to mk3 and so on

[white dawn]

If you want to "upgrade" existing factories to give them more capacity, sure. Personally I recommend leaving existing factories as-is, and just use the newer belts as-needed on new factories. But you do you!

[zealous valley]

Ok thanks

[zenith pecan]

Sometimes, slow belts are fine even at the higher end and make production look cool, here's my example 😄 #design-and-architecture message

[pine patrol]

i asked bc i made this monstrosity to store it bc its useless to me atm #screenshots message

[hard ivy]

get the dark matter crystallization alt, you'll be able to just sink the DMR

[reef basin]

no reason to upgrade, the factory was built to make X, and as long as it makes X, I'm not touching it

[pine patrol]

ill try

[pine patrol]

Yeah higher belts are only used if your current is the bottleneck of your factory

or if your like me you dont wanna make more FUCKING ENCASED METAL BEAMS

so i use mk5 bc i have too much aluminum

[reef basin]

I'd personally always make highest tier I can but not upgrade unless there's specific reason for it

[white dawn]

It's always interesting how players' sense of scale changes over time. If you keep playing, making more EIBs is gonna feel like nothin' at all. :)

[zenith pecan]

I have the encased automated, so they make themselves 🤷‍♂️

[hard ivy]

why? I always use the fastest belts I can

[white dawn]

Like folks always complain about RIPs being expensive for mk2 belts, but eh? Once you're comfortable building bigger it doesn't feel like a hardship at all. Just make more, etc. :D

[pine patrol]

There just isnt a reason too unless you have a large quanity of another belts materials

[reef basin]

just automate belt materials and then use the highest you can

[hard ivy]

there's also no reason not to do that.

and, in fact, by using the fastest belts, you aren't wasting time switching between belts, calculating which one you can and cannot use, and there's no danger of using the wrong one

[pine patrol]

unless your using sushi belts you dont need to calculate anything just look at the ouuput but i can see your point

[quick hound]

ADA says: You must create a satisfactory factory in satisfactory.

but my factory is unsatisfactory

[mystic oriole]

in factorio?

[reef basin]

you're the only one who defines how satisfied you're with your factory

[pine patrol]

if you looked at my factory you wiuld throw up

🍝

[reef basin]

I don't care about looks

[hard ivy]

yeah, my factory needs to only be organised enough to make troubleshooting easy

[quick hound]

Kyo. I bestow upon you.. a hug :>

[tropic juniper]

Tear it down then!

Thats actually always been an annoyance for me. Tearing down a factory leaves so much junk behind that can barely fit into inventories.

[pine patrol]

#screenshots message

[quick hound]

I’m too lazy.

[tropic juniper]

i hear that

[reef basin]

if it works, it's fine

[pine patrol]

maybe

[cunning lily]

I bet it'd look good from the right angle. But honestly, if it does what you want, its good. 👌🍻

[pine patrol]

No angle does ts look good

[primal obsidian]

is there anyway to make a train drop off each item at a freight station, like i have 2 right next to eachother and i need one to unload computers and the other to unload casings

[pine patrol]

thats like the main function of a train…

[tropic juniper]

TBF the satisfactory train schedule menu is very unintuitive. Setting up stations and the cargo that drops off and picks up from each isn't exactly an obvious situation.

It's not unexpected that people will have questions

[hard ivy]

I do 1 item type per train/station and it's easy

[honest sleet]

need a name for a doggo

[pine patrol]

i just need elaboration is all

[leaden turret]

if fallout dog is named dogmeat, does that mean lizard doggo is lizard doggo meato?

[white dawn]

Special Agent Fox Mulder

[mystic oriole]

no, sushito

[honest sleet]

too late, came up with my own name for him

do the jetpacks always suck this much?

[mystic oriole]

depends on fuel

[white dawn]

If all you have is solid biofuel or packaged fuel, then yeah, those fuels are pretty lousy

[honest sleet]

i have coal

[sharp basin]

Guys big problem I destroyed my HUB to move it but there were items in its chest, and those items are not back when I rebuild the HUB, I had my Somersloops and everything important

[honest sleet]

that's the best fuel i got

[white dawn]

All the other fuel options are much nicer, though you may not have them unlocked yet (Liquid Biofuel and Turbofuel being the ones that are quite good)

Jetpack runs on coal? I thought it was Solid Biofuel only at that stage

Anyway, one trick is to just repeatedly tap thrust instead of holding it down; that'll make things last longer for you

[mystic oriole]

you'll find another crate with things you left behind

[honest sleet]

no, i'm running it on solid biofuel

my best fuel for other things is coal

[white dawn]

Okay, so yeah: it's gonna suck; that fuel works but barely. :)

[honest sleet]

sigh

[white dawn]

You've stumbled across the jetpack "early"; if you'd unlocked it via milestones then you'd have access to stuff like Liquid Biofuel and Turbofuel, which are much better

[tropic juniper]

if you tap thrust at the peak of your ascent before you start falling down, thats the best way to maximize how high you go. there's a timing to it

[white dawn]

It's still better than nothing, though. I'd rather have a Solid Biofuel-fuelled jetpack than none at all

[honest sleet]

i did unlock via milestones

it's the first one of that tier i got

so that's prob my issue

[white dawn]

Oh, okay, then go unlock Packaging and get yourself some Liquid Biofuel

Just 200 plastic needed, chop chop. :)

Or spend some hard drives in the MAM to get Turbofuel

[hard ivy]

you can also just buy it

and you need it for TF regardless

[sharp basin]

Ooooof everything is in there

[mystic oriole]

or in your inventory

[cunning lily]

Does the game round up a number like 39.999 to 40/m?

I'll have 3x constructors working at 88.8888% to produce an even load of limestone > concrete... but it looks like it produces 39.9999/m concrete that way...

[hard ivy]

it might round the display, but the actual production is gonna be whatever the clock speed suggests

[cunning lily]

ok, interesting. So it may just not end up being 100% ratio'd no matter what.

[hard ivy]

type in 800/9 and it's gonna be slightly closer to 40 than 88.8888%. but clock speeds that can't be represented in floating point notation exactly will never be exact

[white dawn]

When you've got repeating decimals like that, you do often end up either ahead or behind by like 0.0001, as you fear. If you make sure to clock "up" slightly you can avoid the occasional (once in many thousands of cycles) shortfall

[cunning lily]

kk, that works.

Just can't get 120 divided by 45 cleanly, bleh 😛

[hard ivy]

The wonders of floating point arithmetic

[cunning lily]

3x45x0.888888 is what I've got.

[hard ivy]

And the game rounding non-equation inputs to 4 decimal places

[cunning lily]

yep

I can handle that low level inaccuracy.

[rough rock]

Any way to solve the decoupled camera sound bug?

[cunning lily]

Another sip of coffee will let me tolerate it.

[mystic oriole]

nice to see a fellow ED enjoyer come to Satisfactory

[silk ocean]

Sure it's not just the UI xD

[hard ivy]

the UI is more rounded than the actual value, at least for everyting except a manuallt set clock speed

[honest sleet]

what sorta music do you listen to while playing? or do you just use the game music?

[grave haven]

polish hip hop 😭

[white dawn]

Yeah, the only actual number that's stored is the clock speed, so that's what you'd want to make sure to round however you like

Everything else is computed via the clock speed

[honest sleet]

send me a link to some? i've never heard of it

[white dawn]

(though the reverse calculations happen via the UI when you plug in numbers elsewhere)

[grave haven]

sure

[silk ocean]

Yea my guess is that it's simply rounded for presentation on the UI, e.g. if you enter 0.33336 that value is stored but displayed as 0.3334... but it's just a guess XD

[grave haven]

https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZjxoAUl9VAgXl82jx-8W_HF0S39mMAwF

[shy mulch]

Alternative if you REALLY want to have your machines running with exact numbers, just underclock the constructors so it's 3x40

[grave haven]

i love you

[honest sleet]

ooo that's good music

[grave haven]

some people dont get that underclocking exists and space doesnt matter in ts game cuz you technically have infinite space

[shy mulch]

Exactly. I underclock a lot of stuff just to make calculations simpler for me. If it means having more machines then that's fine. Hell, have 40 machines making 1 concrete each if you want 😂

[honest sleet]

anyone got conveyors clipping through trees/ground?

[silk ocean]

Maybe 1 or 2 somewhere, some bush or branch

[honest sleet]

yea same

i rlly need to chainsaw stuff

[silk ocean]

Found 1 belt from the early factory that clips a few branches here and there

Yea I should blow the whole canyon up

[shy mulch]

Or just nuke it

[silk ocean]

Scorched earth

[remote pasture]

Did u get my ping earlier?

[silk ocean]

Oh sorry missed it

[remote pasture]

Just me saying if everything goes to plan. Then i should be downloading satisfactory at 6pm tomorrow (its 10.44pm now for me)

[silk ocean]

Success xD

I'm guessing you won't be getting much sleep this weekend then XD

[remote pasture]

Setting my alarm for 5am. Going to bed at 11pm. Plus before i can start playing each morning, i gotta do my morning rutine 7k step walk and shower and breakfast.

[silk ocean]

Good idea, generally gaming is more enjoyable if fresh and rested, even if it is exciting and new

[remote pasture]

The last 3 days i been rushing my other games to get their weeklies done, so i can focus more on satisfactory

[proper hound]

expect to wake up at monday 4:00

[silk ocean]

WoW per chance? xD

[pine patrol]

i am now over producing after doubling my power production with turbofuel FPG

[remote pasture]

Nah, wilds

[silk ocean]

Ah

[honest sleet]

guess what i just found

a bean is humping one of my conveyors

it's gonna die

[silk ocean]

I can't bring myself to harm the bouncers

[pine patrol]

i have killed like 30 of them

[silk ocean]

You monster xD

[pine patrol]

ada already hates me

[silk ocean]

Does ADA get upset?

[pine patrol]

if you kill a lizard doggo or bean yes

dont ask how i know the first

[remote pasture]

Do know this. Iam doing everything i can, do focus/play as much satisfactory as i can this weekend.

[silk ocean]

What happens in the forest stays in the forest xD

There is one that has been on one of my rail tracks for ages

Just can't get it off

[pine patrol]

Taze it a few times it will get off

[silk ocean]

Going to go try

Normally I give them a little whack or a bullet, but this one I recall was stubbornly on the rails, I'll try again tho

Seems to have worked with a bit of encouragement

[gentle storm]

hi

lol

[cunning lily]

that... makes way more sense.

[silk ocean]

Can confirm "encouragement" wasn't a Nuke Nobelisk 😈

[gentle storm]

why can't i mine the top of a limestone nod?

[buoyant nymph]

Can someone check out screenshots rq looking to know if I can make something more compact

In very early stages of the game

[gentle storm]

your fine

compared to me...

[grave haven]

i can

[wicked nacelle]

you can't ride on your tractors when there' on autopilot?

[green fiber]

no they dont like it

[clear aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/brand-new-animal-bna-michiru-happy-tanuki-gif-16748702

[fossil geyser]

I didn't realize the dismantle crate went on infinitely

[nocturne warren]

aw they removed that metal sound when you smack something with a xeno basher

[fluid sapphire]

!wikisearch manifold

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[fossil geyser]

My new super factory is gonna be a thing never seen before in this game (because it's probably a bad idea)

[nocturne warren]

@buoyant nymph why do you have so much conveyors, instead of connecting just one smelter connect 2 to one conveyor and split it to 4 constructors

[buoyant nymph]

Thank you exactly what I was looking for

[fluid sapphire]

whats the production goal

[buoyant nymph]

Bc some take 30 and others 15 it was what worked in my head I only have 11 hours on the game so still learning so much

[fossil geyser]

Everything

[fluid sapphire]

that doesnt mean anything

[nocturne warren]

you could still connect two smelters to one conveyor belt unless they are overclocked

and then split it up

[buoyant nymph]

There not

[wicked nacelle]

I'm recording a tractor path and i'm at my powered truck stop and it says "press f to load cargo into tractor" and I'm pressing f and nothing is happening?

[nocturne warren]

combine the conveyors that only have 30 ingots on them into one conveyor that has 60

[wicked nacelle]

oh I was.. too close to it I guess?

[nocturne warren]

and then split them according to constructors needs

[fossil geyser]

Also the dismantle crate being infinite is my new god and religion

[buoyant nymph]

Yeah but then my constructors wouldn’t be operating at 100% efficiency

[nocturne warren]

if one constructor needs 30 ingots then you need 2 constructors per belt if it needs 15 ingots then you need 4 constructors

[white dawn]

Path recordings totally ignore what you do manually anyway; once you complete the route, the game will automatically put in a yellow pause node at the station, and then when the vehicle arrives there it'll do whatever the station's configured to

[nocturne warren]

it will take some time at first but in long term there is no difference really

[fossil geyser]

I got the alternative recipe for screws and it's so nicce

[wicked nacelle]

so if you just stop right near a truck stop it assumes you want it to do the "truck stop thing"?

or do you not even need to stop when recording?

[buoyant nymph]

Why can’t I see anything in screenshots some @ me there

[white dawn]

Hitting the load/unload buttons manually from vehicles does seem quite weird; I've never taken the time to try and nail down exactly how. But it doesn't matter anyway; the game'll just put the pause node down regardless

[white dawn]

You don't even need to stop; it'll technically stop at any station whose loading area it gets close enough to

And you can then configure the pause node for however long you want the vehicle to wait there (loads/unloads at 2 stacks per second)

In practice I believe you can set the wait time to quicker than you'd technically need, 'cause it starts loading/unloading even before the vehicle's stopped, though that's something else I've never actually tried to quantify

[nocturne warren]

@buoyant nymph if you prefer that resources would be split equally and that you dont want to wait for machines to fill up use a load balancer system

!wikisearch balancer

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=balancer

[brazen coral]

One refinery should be enough per each fuel generator correct? That's as long as the fluid dynamics continue to pump through that one tube

[fossil geyser]

All hail the dismantle crate

[pine patrol]

i got one with all kinds of goodies in it. I just wish you could sort it so i dont have to scroll for 5 mins to reach the bottom

[brazen coral]

Do the dismantle crates even have a limit on slots?

[pine patrol]

i doubt it

[brazen coral]

Or can you just continually dismantle stuff until you get into your own inventory?

[buoyant nymph]

Thank you

[whole drum]

Well, the default limit for dismantle is 50 things, so I think the boxes are soft limited there.

[brazen coral]

Load balancers are definitely supposed to be more along the lines of handling a sushi belt if you're going that angle

But they could be for anything high volume

[fluid sapphire]

(counterpoint, just know that you absolutely do not need to load balance anything, the time to fill manifolds is negligible and you can easily keep busy with other stuff)

[whole drum]

I've found that there's very little need for load balancing in this game

[nocturne warren]

when you have fast belts you shouldnt worry about load balancers unless you really have to

fast belts and bigger amount of production

[brazen coral]

Load balancing is if you want everything at the same time or don't want machines idling

I personally hate idling machines

[whole drum]

That only reduces the warm-up time. Slow belts still get the job done.

[hard ivy]

A balancer won't prevent machines from idling

[nocturne warren]

im okay with waiting since id probably spend more time making a giant load balancers than just wait for it all to sort itself out

[whole drum]

I think he means during the warm-up phase

[nocturne warren]

and i could be doing other things while waiting for the machines to fill up

[brazen coral]

No, they won't. But they get them to work in unison

It all depends on the pace of materials as well

[whole drum]

Pre-filling and turning on the power all at once does that too

[nocturne warren]

sometimes id even take materials from another factory / storage and fill the machines up if i want them to run as soon as im finished building

[brazen coral]

Was there a switch to be able to turn power on and off to and from grids? I feel like there was but I can't find it

[whole drum]

There is

[brazen coral]

Or is that research?

[whole drum]

Yes

[brazen coral]

Ok

[final osprey]

hey

[brazen coral]

For anybody this far along, is the liquid biofuel worth making and packaging?

For vehicles and other whatevers

[whole drum]

I've never seen the need for it

[wicked nacelle]

some poeple like it for jetpacks until you get better fuels

[brazen coral]

I have basic fuel and that's already kind of better than what I had

[hard ivy]

It's great for the jetpack

[wicked nacelle]

I think liquid biofuel lets you hover for longer?

[whole drum]

Oil is easy to reach and regular fuel is good

[brazen coral]

I'll test it against regular fuel when I can

[hard ivy]

For jetpack? It's garbage

[whole drum]

Never had a problem with it

[brazen coral]

I've already got the oil. It's just the processing of it, starting to set up multiple generators but right now the problem I have is producing motors effectively. I don't have an assembly line down for that

[fluid sapphire]

regular fuel for jetpack is so bad

[pine patrol]

if your close enough to another dismantle crate you can continue adding to it assuming your inventory is full

[wicked nacelle]

for jetpack I use regular fuel because of automation not because of better. but turbo fuel is already better beacuse of climbing and ion fuel is obviously the best

[pine patrol]

ima feed mine wood

[brazen coral]

I've almost been able to reach the turbo fuel research. I just got to set up my line for compacted coal

[whole drum]

Yes, higher tier fuels are better

[wicked nacelle]

i mean vs biofuel

[fluid sapphire]

you cant, you need at least solid biofuel

[wicked nacelle]

neither fuel nor biofuel climbs well

[pine patrol]

😔

[brazen coral]

I sloop it so I have tons of it

Can't get rid of it fast enough xD

[whole drum]

I also can't be bothered to keep feeding bio-based fuels

[fluid sapphire]

thats early, early game stuff, what you really want is fluid packaging so you can make liquid biofuel, thats when the jetpack gets good

[hard ivy]

Regular fuel is basically as bad as solid biofuel. Idk how y'all not go insane trying to use it

[fluid sapphire]

horrible burn time, no lift to make up for it, indeed

[brazen coral]

Yeah I already got the packaging and made tons of plastic already

[whole drum]

It's better than solid bio for sure. Don't know what kind of cope train we're on, but I'm not on board.

[wicked nacelle]

I basically use jetpack as a quick parachute more than anything else before turbo fuel

[pine patrol]

im aware i have turbofuel

[brazen coral]

I like how that it's slightly better than a parachute, but the fact that you slow down the longer you glide gets me

[fluid sapphire]

turbofuel is decent i think, used it for a few hundred hours before rocket fuel

[whole drum]

Thing about the jetpack is if you just hard burn everywhere, almost all of the early fuels suck. If you learn how to pace it and pulse-fire the jets, you get way more mileage out of it.

[pine patrol]

its like 4x better than reg fuel my rough estimate

[brazen coral]

Oh yeah I tap when I have to just hover boost everywhere

[fluid sapphire]

the lift is great, thats for sure, even if it doesnt burn for all that long

[pine patrol]

use biofuel then

[brazen coral]

Unless I'm genuinely trying to reach a higher place without building

[pine patrol]

the burn is about the same

[cursive crane]

ive got 3 industrial storages of lbf and 3 more sitting behind the machines waiting to be made, jetpack go brrr

[whole drum]

That all said, once you have some basic stuff in the DD and can just build anywhere at will, it's a real toss up between the jetpack and the parachute.

[fluid sapphire]

jetpack is just more convenient than parachute

[pine patrol]

and generally has more uses

[brazen coral]

Parachute you'd have to time correctly, especially when you're using a cannon

[hard ivy]

LBF is perfectly usable for building before the Hoverpack. After, even if you don't feel like filling your build area with temporary poles

[pine patrol]

but once you have the DD carrying both is easy

[brazen coral]

Otherwise you're stuck in the air for a good long while

[pine patrol]

you can cut it yk

like cod

warzone specifically

or bf

[brazen coral]

Didn't really know that you just take it off your inventory and it cuts it?

[whole drum]

I flood the entire map with power poles, lol

Hover is best, hands down

[pine patrol]

??

[brazen coral]

I'm on PS5 so I don't really know the button command that cuts it

[fossil geyser]

Everything is getting a splitter

[pine patrol]

jetpack is better for travel hover is better for building or climbing upwards

[pine patrol]

same. Circle i think

[whole drum]

Jetpack is faster, but not better

[buoyant nymph]

Watching ImKibitz play and looking to learn something was a bad idea I feel like a idot

How many hours into the game till I make good looking builds lol

[hard ivy]

You know you can disengage the parachute, right?

[pine patrol]

oh yeah he spends a shit ton of time on random stuff his turbo fuel gens is crazy

[whole drum]

Hover lets you cheese all of the combat, reach anywhere you want, and not worry about fuel

[pine patrol]

thats what i was sayin

[brazen coral]

If you look back I didn't know xD

[hard ivy]

Same with hoverpack

[fluid sapphire]

thats only if you jam powerlines or rail everywherem thats kinda, ehhhh

[pine patrol]

if you have powerpoles everywhere like you do sure but early mid to early-late game you wont have that

[whole drum]

I do. I love my power pole spam.

[buoyant nymph]

His content is crazy good idk what turbo fuel is yet but everything he builds look insane

[whole drum]

You can actually pre-build the infrastructure for it in earlier tiers if you use the zipline anyway.

[pine patrol]

its the stuff he used for his power early game

[buoyant nymph]

Oh okay

[pine patrol]

i didnt unlock zipline until like T7

[hard ivy]

Whyy

[pine patrol]

bc i didnt focus on the MAM

[whole drum]

That's unfortuante. You can get it very early and it's quite useful.

[fluid sapphire]

fair enough, i avoid them at almost all costs 😄

[brazen coral]

Zip line you can find pretty early on as soon as you find the gold

Or at least are able to process it

[hard ivy]

I feel like that's one of the biggest possible mistakes you can make in this game

[fossil geyser]

Imagine if the belts and pipes needed power too

[pine patrol]

oh yeah i didnt have turbofuel until recently and parachute until like T5 or sum gasmask was also semi recent maybe T8

[whole drum]

You can get ziplines like tier 3-ish, but in tier 4 when you get the power platforms it becomes way more useful

Gas mask is super optional, but can be helpful

[hard ivy]

I mean the turbofuel is not a big loss XD

And the parachute is only really useful until the jetpack

[void mason]

Excuse me, how do you plan the loading and unloading areas in the industrial areas for trains? I have 3 main resources to distribute later

[hard ivy]

I put them on the edge of the factory after I'm done building everything else

[pine patrol]

im tryna get better fuel rn just been focusing on power as of recent bc the t9 stuffs power draw sent me into a coma

[hard ivy]

Could do nuclear

[livid geyser]

I have an issue. With this aluminium thing, I tried to do a self loop of water going back to first refinery while making scraps, but the whole machine either is full so I have to flush. Am I missing something? Or am I doing it wrongly?

[whole drum]

Either find a different use for the water or read the pipeline manual

[pine patrol]

i have but i only have 2 and i havent dont shit to the waste they are just sitting in 18 industrial storage containers

[hard ivy]

Aluminium water requires careful management, not just dumping it back in without care

[cursive crane]

!wikisearch aluminum+setup

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=aluminum+setup

[wicked nacelle]

what recipe? vanilla works pretty well, sloppy doesn't

[livid geyser]

…ah. There lies my problem

[whole drum]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Pipeline_Manual.pdf

[livid geyser]

Been using sloppy

[hard ivy]

How does the recipe make any difference?

[pine patrol]

i use pure ingots that vanilla ingot recipe pmo

[wicked nacelle]

if the watswe water is more than 50% of the input water you don't get it sucking up enough waste water

[whole drum]

The quantity/ratio isn't the issue. It's the priority.

[hard ivy]

That's only an issue if you build a terrible setup

[whole drum]

If you don't have a firm understanding of liquid priority systems, just dump the waste water into some other input instead of recycling it.

Wet concrete -> Sink is a popular option

[wicked nacelle]

specifically another set of aluminum processors

[hard ivy]

You can also do a split setup, then you only need to prioritise scrap made with byproduct water

[wicked nacelle]

but the problem with sloppy is -- again -- that it makes SO MUCH waste water that you have to repeat that

[livid geyser]

Yeah, I need to find limestone then.

[void mason]

I mean in a different way, do you make more stations per resource with different inputs per track? Or do you make a single large loading track and set the load in a precise way?

[wicked nacelle]

just make more aluminum processing and only feed it waste water

[hard ivy]

I feel like that's a skill issue because I've had zero problems using sloppy

[fossil geyser]

Playthrough but you can't use water

[whole drum]

Most any of the "pure" alt recipes is valid for this approach

[hard ivy]

I do 1 station per item type

[wicked nacelle]

There's just lots of setups that work with vanilla that don't work with sloppy. if you do it a way that works with sloppy then great of course

[fluid sapphire]

hear me out, you dont need to recycle the water, you can instead make thousands of unrelated ingots using pure recipes

[livid geyser]

I’m barely understanding the layout for this factory.

[pine patrol]

you would need biofuel burners until FPG

[hard ivy]

Augmenters

[void mason]

In my case I have to make a station that I have to transport out at least the production of steel and iron, while one imports coke for the refineries

[wicked nacelle]

then yeah any of the "pure ingot" alts or wet concrete or some coal power...

[pine patrol]

true

[livid geyser]

Thanks.

[fossil geyser]

Playthrough but you can't build on the ground

[whole drum]

You mean the default way?

[wicked nacelle]

You can't get ore

[hard ivy]

Build on foundations, until then nudge up once

[void mason]

I'm now trying to distribute the steel and the iron I produce, I produce at least 900 ingots per minute with that recipe

[fossil geyser]

Everything but minors have to be eight meters off the ground

[hard ivy]

You can place miners on foundations if you try hard enough

[wicked nacelle]

but then the foundations are on the ground 🙂

[whole drum]

When you process them into other materials, the volume becomes easier to manage

[hard ivy]

Nudge the foundation up? But idk if it works then

[pine patrol]

i shouldve kept my old steel production photo it was ass

[void mason]

I have the problem to use all alternate efficient recipe

[hard ivy]

900/min is low for a train

[void mason]

I need to transport for a long distance

[hard ivy]

More trains. Or logner train

[reef basin]

or build near resources 🙂

[fossil geyser]

Does anybody actually use the lizard doggo? I keep chasing them away

[reef basin]

some people do

[hard ivy]

They can be useful for early MAM unlocks. I never tamed one though

[void mason]

I produce 900/m iron ingot and 920 steel ingot

[whole drum]

They can actually give you access to early research if you pen a few of them and get lucky

[wicked nacelle]

if you give them a stack of plutonium waste they'll take it to heaven with them

[whole drum]

I'm pretty sure Heaven is supposed to be up, not down

[fossil geyser]

I find them annoying

[void mason]

I have to add concrete and copper in the area

[hard ivy]

Enough nuke pulse nobelisks and they'll go up

[whole drum]

I sometimes forget those exist

[hard ivy]

They can function as a hypertube cannon. Useful, if you don't want to leave cannons scattered all over the map

[whole drum]

I still want them to add a flamethrower whose dps goes up with better quality fuels

Unlocks with LBF

How am I expected to purge the xenos with these other primitive heretic tools?

Besides, we all know the best cure for arachnophobia is pyromania.

If you don't believe me, go watch the movie

[ornate saffron]

Deal with it like The Thing

[gaunt sapphire]

Assertion failed: FMallocBinned2::FPoolInfo::IsSupportedSize(Size) [File:D:\BuildAgent\work\SR11_BT\UE4\Engine\Source\Runtime\Core\Private\HAL\MallocBinned2.cpp] [Line: 951] Invalid Malloc size: '103079215104'
My game just tried to alloc 100 Gb of RAM

[abstract heron]

Into the game?

[craggy vector]

What is “experimental power generation” in the sulfur MAM

[whole drum]

You're trying to play SF with less than that?

[ornate saffron]

!wikisearch alien augmentor

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=alien+augmentor

[abstract heron]

Should we ping guru ?

[livid geyser]

Why is this so difficult. It might be bad location, but I’m at rocky desert, and there’s this brax vein to the east near two craters of water. I’m struggling to make a factory there, with water overflow and stuff like that.

[craggy vector]

Also what is the recipe for the nobelisk detonator I can’t make out the silhouettes and the game doesn’t tell me

[gaunt sapphire]

idk, it happened first time ever

[abstract heron]

Want to make a qa post

[true mulch]

!wikisearch nobelisk+detonator

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=nobelisk+detonator

[abstract heron]

@true mulch

[craggy vector]

thanks

[true mulch]

?

[abstract heron]

That person got the crash

@gaunt sapphire I mean

[true mulch]

what am I supposed to do with that...?

[abstract heron]

Idk should they make a qa post on here and ping guru

[true mulch]

please make a #1038092680493801533 post with the entire crash reporter output

[abstract heron]

Yes

[median rain]

The game is not letting me use a keyboard on console, is that a thing on purpose or is my thing just glitching?

[abstract heron]

Not supported yet

[median rain]

Dang

[abstract heron]

I think

[median rain]

Then how do I input formulas into the target rate

[hard ivy]

That's the neat part, you don't

You don't need to tho

You can complete the entire game just fine with everything at 100%

[median rain]

I need an irrational number to make it perfect tho 🙁

[wicked nacelle]

not sure if that number was just a corruption but that call doesn't actually try to reserve 100GB of ram. It just creates an entry in the process's virtual memory table that the OS can then map to ram as you modify parts of it.

[median rain]

Should I just put it as close as possible?

[hard ivy]

That's... not how numbers in this game work. They're all rational

[wicked nacelle]

not sure what you think an irrational number is... pi is irrational. .3 repeating is not

You don't need pi rate to make things work out

[median rain]

Ok thats what I meant

It's a repeating number

[gaunt sapphire]

as I see, assertion prevented actual allocation. this is exactly what assertions are used for

[median rain]

Should I just put the target rate to just .33 instead of .33333....

Even though it'll be slightly off

[abstract heron]

I ping guru in the Chanel but Sweden time he is sleeping probably

[cunning lily]

I have reached the stage of factory design where I'm making my own spreadsheets... 🫣

[wicked nacelle]

yes, it appears the number was well out of range based on what that FMallocBinned2 is intended to do.. but I was just also pointing out that regardless there's no 1:1 tie of that number to actual use of ram

[livid geyser]

Okay, I’m giving up on this factory setup for tonight. I’m gonna do some research later to break it down.

[wicked nacelle]

you want to do a screen share and VC and see if we can come up with a plan? -- not sure if you're frustrated or just want to do it yourself later. Don't be frustrated 🙂

[livid geyser]

I’m deaf and on console, so it wouldn’t work, sorry.

I’m just not really understanding the problem properly. I get why it’s like this, but the location of where I’m doing this, it’s not helping either. Haha, I’ll figure it out eventually.

[whole drum]

What are you trying to do that you're not able to do?

[livid geyser]

Oh, setting up the aluminium factory. Water output and the location is a problem. I got coal and brax-wherever covered, but I can’t seem to find a nearby limestone so I can output water into something, and into the sink.

[reef basin]

output it back into the aluminum

[livid geyser]

Did that, and it keeps stopping the factory, that I have to keep flushing the pipes. That’s part of why I don’t understand what’s happening. And I used sloppy at first then swapped to normal recipe.

[reef basin]

don't mix fresh and byproduct water

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1397218790122590208/image.png?ex=69207266&is=691f20e6&hm=746811a4bdae5eac3145af8e209cf0dededd3a74db365e95b38789df953dba52&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=685&height=968

if you mix them, then any delay in production results in more fresh water in the system, hence more full system, eventually backing it up

[livid geyser]

I removed the water gen, after I filled up the factory, though I did start the factory setup before turning off the water gen.

Should I flush the first refinery completely first?

[reef basin]

you should separate fresh and byproduct water 😉

[livid geyser]

Sorry, I feel dumb. Could you explain that?

[reef basin]

I sent you the image

[whole drum]

If you really, really have water you can't find a sink for, you can try a pipe priority system. Most people would recommend against it, especially if you aren't familiar with how liquids behave in this game, but if you do it right, it can solve the issue.
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Pipeline_Manual.pdf?page=16

However, I mostly agree with Greeny here. Don't mix them unless you absolutely have to.

The way this would work is that the waste water occupies the bottom pipe, while the fresh water comes in from above.

[robust brook]

I didn’t know there was a difference

[quick hound]

Wait.. if you!re deaf then how do you see the screen? (This is a joke)

[livid geyser]

Pffft.

[quick hound]

chat, we found the reincarnation of Hellen Keller

[reef basin]

I guess they heard this one before (I'll see myself out)

[quick hound]

HAHAHAHAHA

Hey cloud, have you heard this cool song-

[reef basin]

back to the topic, yes you can do the priority junction, but it's not 100% reliable and I'd still recommend separating fresh and recycled water

[quick hound]

I love how at this point we’re making deaf jokes

[livid geyser]

Yes, I have a CI that does bluetooth so I can listen to all the songs on Spotify. 🤌🏻

[quick hound]

CI?

[livid geyser]

Cochlear implant

[quick hound]

so you have a Bluetooth in your ear (hehe)

[livid geyser]

In my head, but yes. 👀

[quick hound]

If that’s the case, isn’t a CI like a hearing aid?

[whole drum]

Yeah, this is why I was trying to emphasize it as a last resort

[livid geyser]

‘eh, there’s a difference. With hearing aids, you can simply switch it on and you’re good. With CI, you gotta magnet it to your machine on your head before it works.

There’s other differences but yeah.

[quick hound]

So I guess MRI machines are out-

[livid geyser]

Literally.

And metal scanners for that matter

[quick hound]

Now, quick question, without your hearing implement, do you hear anything at all? Maybe a buzzing?

[livid geyser]

Nothing at all. Maybe very loud burst of sound on my right side of ear. My left ear can’t hear anything because implant.

[quick hound]

(Thanks for helping to satisfy my general curiosity.)

[livid geyser]

(NP)

[glass pagoda]

Hello

[whole drum]

With it on, are you able to hear stuff like sound effects, music, voices, etc? Or is it more generalized than that?

[quick hound]

Interesting, another def person I spoke to on discord said that they could hear very loud noises as faint whispers of sounds, and suffered from tinnitus

[quick hound]

Also obligatory: Bro is a living cyborg

[whole drum]

Better watch how you talk then, unless you want to be assimilated.

[livid geyser]

There’s different varies of deafness. Like, I’m born deaf, so it’s genetics for me. And people that get it with illness, etc.

[reef basin]

do you pass the "I'm not a robot" captcha?

(I'm not helping it but this talk should probably go to #off-topic-general)

[glass pagoda]

That's very inappropriate greeny

[livid geyser]

Yeah, put it this way.

Your normal hearing is between -5 to 10.

A normal deaf is like 40-60.

I’m profoundly deaf, so my hearing is like 120 and above. With CI, it’s like 20-30. Obviously, I gotta understand what people say too.

(And now moving to general)

[hard ivy]

Idk man my VIPs work perfectly fine and I've had better experience with them than with split setups. A VIP feels like less work too

[whole drum]

This is the difference between someone who understands how it works and a newer player who is less comfortable with pipes.

[livid geyser]

Me, basically. Haha

[whole drum]

I mean, you can just try it too

If it works, great. If not, try something else.

[ocean frost]

Try it see if it works for you if it doesn't move on to something that does

[whole drum]

It's not hard to understand. It just requires that you do.

The pipeline manual is super helpful for that

[ocean frost]

That's very true, there was some European guy that made a video about all the different ways people did pipes that was very informative and scientific.

They should put the manual in the HUB

[whole drum]

The in-game codex would be great

[alpine anchor]

@buoyant nymph for your question about making your factory more compact, use mergers to combine all of your smelter outputs untill you hit the max amount of resources carried/min ( its 60 for t1 belts) then use a manifold to distribuite it back out across your constructors

[quick hound]

and me, who just wants to drink oil and turbo fuel

[whole drum]

Yeah, I think this is a trap for a lot of newer players, though--trying to be more compact, I mean. Using the mergers/splitters is good. The main reason to want things compact is more to take advantage of the blueprint designer, but a lot of newer players will be under the misapprehension that more compact means less work, but usually it's the opposite until you do have good blueprint designs.

I still hand build most of my factories, despite knowing that blueprints could make it faster, because I tend to adapt to the area I'm in and the needs of the factory I'm building. Blueprints are great for smelter arrays, though. Not much need for variance in those.

I like a 4x2 array (the x2 being vertical)

Each set of 4 is 120/m of iron/copper, so it's very simple

[quick hound]

gilga is making my brain hurt

[quick hound]

I beg of you to stop cause my brain is two seconds from giving up

[whole drum]

No pain, no gain, brother

[quick hound]

what did I do to deserve this torture?

[hard ivy]

You bought this game

[quick hound]

I bought this game to ruin a planet with my presence, not to do math

[hard ivy]

I'm sorry to tell you this but most factory building games are math simulators

[whole drum]

I'm sorry to tell you this but most TTRPGs are math simulators

[quick hound]

why do ya’ll gotta bully the mentally disabled?

[ocean frost]

if you want math go play EVE

[whole drum]

Most of us are used to it by now

[hard ivy]

I feel like you gotta be at least slightly mentally disabled to be good at this game. But you gotta be disabled in the right way :)

[quick hound]

the only think I want to do in this game is drink oil, turbo fuel and rocket fuel

Thing*

[whole drum]

You still need math to optimize your oil so you can drink more

[quick hound]

you asshole :<

[hard ivy]

What about ionized fuel

All these shards must give it a decent kick

[quick hound]

every liquid, except water. water is for cucks

[whole drum]

Ionized is a gas

[quick hound]

then I’ll huff it like pottery enamel

[hard ivy]

With the console release I noticed a significant influx of people posting phone pics in the subreddit (gee, I wonder why)

And I love reporting every single one of them

[quick hound]

What do you mean by this?

[hard ivy]

Phone pics are against the subreddit rules

[quick hound]

Oh

[primal obsidian]

just realized the reason my train wasnt working is cause i put the freight platforms AFTER the station

[reef basin]

I mean consoles have screenshot capability, don't they?

[quick hound]

frainstation

[unborn nova]

will placing more supports in my hypertube make me speed up faster?

[hard ivy]

Supports don't give you speed

[whole drum]

They do, but not sure how easy it to xfer to Discord

[whole drum]

Gravity makes you faster

[ornate saffron]

on playstation id use the phone app to get the pictures onto my phone and share from there

[unborn nova]

yea i kinda just got that i went downwards and got a huge speed boost

i had only gone flat before then

[whole drum]

Can also use more terminals like people do with cannons, just spaced out more

[hard ivy]

Yes. But apparently people can't be bothered to use it.

I can understand taking a quick pic to ask for help with something simple, but people who try to show off their building by taking a shitty picture with their phone baffle me

[limpid hazel]

I have noticed an influx of people misunderstanding pipes too

severe misunderstandings

🤨

[whole drum]

Console release brought an influx of brand new players

[limpid hazel]

that is one word you can use to describe the situation

[whole drum]

Keep telling them to read this, but not necessarily do everything in it.
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?title=File%3APipeline_Manual.pdf&page=1

[quick hound]

Well, most of us should be experienced at handling our ‘pipes’ >:)

[limpid hazel]

they could try reading what is in the game first

[whole drum]

The game does a crap job of telling you anything about pipes

[limpid hazel]

it tells you enough that you don't need pumps every 5 meters on level pipes

[whole drum]

It actually doesn't

[hard ivy]

It does tell you that they have a flow limit (in several places, even), and yet a lot of people do a great job of completely ignoring that

[whole drum]

It doesn't explain anything about that

[limpid hazel]

you can literally see what happens with your eyes

[reef basin]

both ps and xbox seem to have apps to get the screenshtos, as well as options to share to some cloud

[limpid hazel]

inductive reasoning

i use full pipes btw

[plain gate]

youre expecting a lot from a self-selecting group of console players

[whole drum]

Yes, but going from cloud to Discord is a different story

[reef basin]

is it? you just open it on PC/phone

[whole drum]

Which is why the skip the ss step and just take the photo with their phone

[unborn nova]

could someone check screenshots and tell me if the orange would be faster than the purple?

[limpid hazel]

has any satisfactory gamer actually utilized >90% of all map resources for indefinitey sink points or is it all just theoretical calculations

[whole drum]

Probably purple

[reef basin]

still it's super easy and we practically have to do the same step on pc anyway, so doesn't make sense to break the rule

[reef basin]

maybe a few people, but mostly not

[reef basin]

why are you asking question in a channel where we can't write in?

[unborn nova]

so kinda just slower overall instead of getting transported higher up and gaining momentum

[whole drum]

I don't know about other people, but for me ss is just use a cut keybind and paste into Discord

No cloud required

[unborn nova]

? wdym

[limpid hazel]

screenshots graded by cgc home video for authenticity?

[plain gate]

only people who try to maximize sink points, lol

[reef basin]

there's #1038092680493801533 if you want to ask questions with images attached, same goes for #math-and-meta , #design-and-architecture and so on. #screenshots is for showing off your base, not for questions

[hard ivy]

#screenshots isn't for asking questions

[whole drum]

Most people don't intuitively know that about that channel because this server organization is bottom tier

[unborn nova]

oh i see

mb

[limpid hazel]

yeah, but like, who in particular has done this, sourcejak, evidence, I see lots of people asking on the googles and not a lot of people posting their constant sink graph in the big 2025 with the current endgame items

[reef basin]

because when asking a question, #screenshots makes more sense than #1038092680493801533 (which is even a few channels below this one, compared to #screenshots which is far)

[unkempt blade]

Doesn't it say in the channel topic? I'm not sure there's much to intuit

[reef basin]

it does

[whole drum]

Most other servers I'm in don't do it in this weird way. In fact, this is the only server I'm in that does.

[wicked nacelle]

I have a save that sinks 250M/m taht's about half the max but I'm using 100% of some resource types because I didn't preplan the whole thing to use ideal alt types everywhere

[whole drum]

So I expect a lot of other people also have that experience

[wicked nacelle]

I'm using resources from the entire map but not ..like every iron node

[reef basin]

does what? have channel dedicated for questions? 🤔

[warped flame]

I’m just starting on ps5, anybody wanna start a world together?

[whole drum]

Has this weird segregation between channels in general. It's too many categories and weird permission setups that most servers don't do this way.

[wicked nacelle]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758

[warped flame]

Ty

[whole drum]

Some channel segregation is normal, but this server goes over the top with it

[limpid hazel]

Goog goog very goog, that's just under what I have planned prior to using my remaining sloops on ballistic warp drives

[ocean frost]

It worked when the community was larger and the game more active

[reef basin]

you should've seen how it was when we had possibility to post images in here. Practically every 4th message was a reaction gif or a random screenshot of someone's base. Channel was unusable. I don't think their intention was to limit it here, but it's a must due to how people behave here

[whole drum]

I think the premise of the ss channel would be clearer if it was just called something like "show off-no discussion" instead

But even not being able to talk there is weird. Having it just be a "show off" channel where people can talk about it makes infinitely more sense.

[reef basin]

they are all described in their topics and in #welcome (which afaik you have to read to get into the server, unless they changed it). No matter how much you write in channel topic/name, people would still ignore it if they don't feel like thinking for 0.1 second (see the amount of people talking about SF in #off-topic-general ).

[plain gate]

there will forevber be people without reading comprehension so no need to make the server look silly just to accomodate that 1% of people

[whole drum]

I see people always asking "Why aren't people using this channel or that channel" as if the way this server does it even makes sense, lol. I'm just saying that it doesn't. Agree or don't, idc. It's just why it's happening.

[whole drum]

Except it already is silly

[reef basin]

most of those people don't read anything and just click random channel and post there

the server has decent separation and channel names make sense

[plain gate]

a channel called screenshots is to share screenshots... not sure how obvious you can make it

[whole drum]

Screenshots can have many purposes, so not being able to chat there makes it not make sense

[reef basin]

it's written in channel topic

and if you could talk there, it would be one screenshot per 100 messages

[whole drum]

The suggested rename would do a lot, but people are too proud to change it

[reef basin]

(and how would it differ from other channels?)

[whole drum]

Someone new to the server who has a question and sees:

• #showoff-no discussion
  vs
• #1038092680493801533

It's way more obvious.

Lots of servers have you put screenshots in a screenshot channel even if you're going to refer to that link to ask your question.

[reef basin]

anyone who has a question, sees #1038092680493801533, and does not pick that channel for their question has very weird decision making

[whole drum]

No, they are just used to how most other servers work

[reef basin]

almost like you shouldn't use "other servers do X" as an argument to do it here

[quick hound]

yeah, I’d rather not make a bajillion threads

[whole drum]

Especially because a lot of servers have dedicated questions channels that don't get timely answers, so people dislike using those

[reef basin]

are you paying for each thread or what? 😄 the channel is literally made for questions, you get them nicely separated, you can inline media, you don't have slowmode, ... there's no disadvantage to that

[whole drum]

You can autistically justify it how it is, but ignoring how people actually function is just silly

[dense violet]

ok? still poor decision process. Can't solve for every case of bad thinking

[whole drum]

You can for the most common ones tho

[quick hound]

yea, Ficsit takes $25.95 per thread

[whole drum]

And it wouldn't even be difficult

[ocean frost]

Pipes and trains should have their own channel lol

[reef basin]

we had #off-topic-general renamed from #general-off-topic because people were using it for SF related things

didn't help at all

[whole drum]

Oh, god... This isn't entirely wrong, lol

People wouldn't use it tho

[dense violet]

yeah, and that's called labeling the channels with what you do in them

if people go 'oh questions and answers? I'm not a CHUMP' goes elsewhere

then that's a them problem

[whole drum]

In this case, it's because the channel #screenshots has too generic of a name. Hell, even just add the "no discussion" tag at the end and you're half way there.

[ocean frost]

Honestly if you have to tell people to go watch a YouTube video on how to play the game I think it might be a game issue

[reef basin]

that's not a problem, because there's a bot that removes text-only messages.

[whole drum]

That's completely missing the point

[reef basin]

the point was "use #1038092680493801533 for questions"

[whole drum]

It's still not understanding people

[ocean frost]

Honestly it's really that big of an issue

[dense violet]

and its for very generic purposes.
If they don't like any of the other very specific names? sure use it

[whole drum]

Just adding that tag sets the expectation, and that's half the battle

[dense violet]

it has that. Right at the top. Next to the name. When you go into it

I've worked in customer service before, there isn't enough signage in the universe to solve willfuly blind people.

[whole drum]

I don't see it here at all: #screenshots

This label is the one we're talking about

And I've done tons of customer service as well

[reef basin]

no I'm not talking about that label

[whole drum]

Then you're not even understanding the issue

[reef basin]

since the issue was "please use #1038092680493801533 for questions", I don't see how #screenshots is even halfway relevant

[dense violet]

oh man, no wonder, you already got notes on you. gg

[spark sky]

@rich tusk Interesting design, are you using mods? #screenshots message I used two pipe wall mounts and a piece of pipe, then nudged a power switch up into that, to make a transformer. It could double as a switch for one of the circuits.

[rich tusk]

all vanilla

[whole drum]

I don't know what you think we're talking about then. No wonder you don't get it.

[spark sky]

That looks like you used steel beams, I didn't know you could place those.

[rich tusk]

i nudged the double beam connectors to make the transformer box and used the beams for the sides

[reef basin]

the conversation literally started with someone posting a question in screenshots, instead of #1038092680493801533 or any other channel with better name

[novel heath]

what are you talking about?

[spark sky]

Oh, you used H-beams?

[rich tusk]

yeah taht one

[spark sky]

Ah.

[rich tusk]

if anyone wants the blueprints i could share them

dunno where

[whole drum]

It was people asking why other people are using channel X instead of Y, not understanding the poor server layout/design is the culprit

[vague creek]

Its a tale a old as the internet, prob older lol

[whole drum]

It's why UX Designer is even a profession, lol

[fickle oriole]

I have a tendency to get sucked into hypertube entrances by mistake - is there a good way to put 'blinders' on the thing to narrow its suction zone?

[novel heath]

ic

[whole drum]

Probably just place them further from your workspace

[spark sky]

If you go into a PM in Discord, you can upload them to the other person.

[whole drum]

One of my first factories was turbo-spaghetti and sometimes when I was trying to place something I'd get Futurama'd away to some other factory section, lol

[limpid rivet]

I’m fairly sure there is a website where you can upload the blue prints i forget the name

[vague creek]

LOL

[whole drum]

Imagine getting half way through tier 6/7 before finding SAM and learning about DDs

[rich tusk]

i kinda did that since it wasnt a thing yet

[whole drum]

A messy "central storage" was the culprit

[primal obsidian]

started sinking excess computers 8 million p/s

were just sitting in storage

cant wait to place 40 constructors

oh boy

im just gonna make a blueprint

[night summit]

If i put 2 lines into a merger then take the exit lines of that merger and put them into another one will the belts run efficiently

[dense violet]

If you're using all the items and you don't go over the throughput limit? sounds it. But hard to figure out exactly what you're doing

[night summit]

I have 4 constructers each outputting 30 rods if i take 2 into a merger and then the other 2 into a separate merger and then combine the output of the 2 mergers into 1 merger to make a belt that runs 120 items will it buffer or be effective

[dense violet]

as long as your belt is fast enough, sure

[pine patrol]

Just got rocket fuel

[whole drum]

You can merge up to the throughput limit of the belt you're using. Mk2 is needed for 120/m, for example. It's pretty common for people to just set up a series of constructers with mergers in front of them on the belt to combine the output and direct that product elsewhere.

[limpid hazel]

imagine spending thousands of hours in early access finishingg the game multiple times with no dds

[whole drum]

notlikethis.gif

[limpid hazel]

or blueprints

[whole drum]

Easier to imagine, tbh

I should use them more, but often don't

[dense violet]

meh, neither were super critical. Still don't use dds

[vague creek]

I walked to school uphill in a showstorm both ways!

[whole drum]

DDs are such a good feature that the game would feel unplayable after a certain point without them

[dense violet]

dds are just another semi creative mode game mechanic. Lumped with duping.
If I want creative mode, I'll make a creative mode

[vague creek]

biggest impact was hard drive collection IMO. not too big an impact on building

[limpid hazel]

every second you spend walking to get resources is a second closer to your death

[solemn glacier]

@limpid hazel me too btw

[primal obsidian]

wow it took way less time using BPs to place these 40 constructors

[whole drum]

Yeah, hence why I should be using them more, lol

[primal obsidian]

just realized i needed 280 cables/min not 600

[spark sky]

Here is my version of modern power poles: #screenshots message

[primal obsidian]

so only 18 constructors ish

[limpid hazel]

chuckles in obese pipes filled to bursting

[rich tusk]

pretty cool

[whole drum]

The transformer station is even cooler, lol

Show them that one, PK

[spark sky]

I also fiddled with the power connectors to make some connectors that I could embed in 1m foundations to feed power through floors.

[spark sky]

That's one that I actually copied from a YouTube video, but did my own decorating of it.

[primal obsidian]

oh and now i realize im going to be making 17 more oscillators then i need

17/min mroe

[spark sky]

Nah, somewhere down the line you'll need them for something else.

[primal obsidian]

tryna get PCC on this multiplayer server\

someone else automated fsued frames im automating radio control units from scratch

computers and casing factory done all i need is oscillators and all i need for that is reinforced plates

could use stitched alt for the plates since i made 600 extra wire/min but then id have to deal with weird overclocking so regular recipie it is

[spark sky]

This is what GigaMocha is talking about: #screenshots message

[rich tusk]

thats also pretty neat

[primal obsidian]

yknow what already making an excess of everything else(except quartz) might as well use all 1560 iron/min from the 2 pure nodes

[spark sky]

Here is my example of placement of power "outlets" in various positions, including the blueprints I made to feed power through the floor. #screenshots message
To get the double power outlets centered vertically, I had to do some fiddling with a long painted beam and a sloped foundation to get the right height.

[wicked nacelle]

you can put a double wall power on a beam and then erase the beam and put in a foundation

[spark sky]

Yes, but, as you can see in that image, the double power connector ends up toward the top of the beam, with the bottom embedded almost completely in the floor. Mine are centered on the piece of beam or beam connector, and thus centered (top/bottom) in the floor, once placed.

[wicked nacelle]

yyeah you can just use two single wall connectors but you lose some connections in connecting them

[spark sky]

And, with the beam connector, if you don't want that showing, you can see it to delete it after placement.

I need to make versions with the other "outlets", this is just the Mk 1 outlet.

Hm, I wonder if I can just update the outlets like you update belts.

Oh, yes you can! So you don't need but the one blueprint, then pick the Mk2 or Mk3 double power outlet if you want the upgrade!

[spark sky]

That might be the way to go when feeding through the other foundation thicknesses. For the 1m foundations, I think this looks very good, though.

And you only have to fiddle with the placement once.

[median rain]

Would you say it's normal that I'm nearly 50 hours I and still in tier 2?

[whole drum]

Depends on how fast you learn, general game experience, experience in this genre, etc. Who knows what "normal" is?

[wicked nacelle]

no

[median rain]

It is my first playthrough and I'm taking it pretty slow

[wicked nacelle]

but there's no time limit so who cares 🙂 play how you have fun

[unborn nova]

could someone help me with my hypertube thing in #1038092680493801533

[dense violet]

it is slow, but it's a sand box.
I'd get to coal power though quick so you don't have to keep feeding your burners

[dense violet]

you're not actually asking any questions or seem to have a problem

[median rain]

Oh yeah I have 19 coal generators going at the moment

[dense violet]

ah you mean phase 2, got it

[whole drum]

Phase 2 and 3 are the most fun, imo

After that, components start to require a lot of hassle-heavy stuff

[median rain]

And I can practically cut that in half since most of it is afk or just doing nothing and zoning out

[whole drum]

wym?

[willow hill]

hi

[spark sky]

Tier 2 or Phase 2? You can play however you want. I started just before Ficsmas last year, and spent the whole of the Ficsmas event doing nothing but making Ficsmas stuff (and collecting doggos). This game doesn't force you to do anything by some time. Set your own goals, if they don't fit what ADA says, so what? The main point of the game is to relaxe and have fun.

[willow hill]

me too

[median rain]

Phase 2, I'm trying to get smart playing, versatile framework, and automated wiring

[willow hill]

i had to start a new save because my old one had conveyer belts every which way and was completely unorganized

[spark sky]

Heh, I'm at Phase 2 and over 1050 hours playing, but a large portion of that has been spent in a creative session, making things I would like to be able to repeat without having to build everything piece by piece (see the discussion above about power poles, for instance).

[willow hill]

i was in the second to last phase

and i had thousands of hours

but it was soooooooooooooooooo disorganized

[spark sky]

The thing is, you can go fast and get to the end of what ADA wants you to do, then stay and build what you want, or make what you built look pretty. Or, you can relaxe and explore, make stuff by hand if you want (I just hit spacebar and went to watch YouTube videos while stuff got made, for a lot of stuff). Collect doggos and gather stuff from them that you can't make (I researched geothermal power before I could use coal).

[median rain]

I'm working on my first very large factory right now which is going to 13.3 smart plating and 10 versatile framework per minute

[willow hill]

geeeze

[whole fable]

That sounds like hell 🤣

[willow hill]

thats much faster than what i had

[charred sandal]

Are these hypertube branches actually as limited as they appear to be or am I stupid?

I can only get it to go one direction on each side

[whole fable]

My largest build was a 30 nuclear plant setup and then plutonium rods into the sink. Took me weeks

[willow hill]

the biggest pain in the early game was power

[spark sky]

Have you seen the videos Let's Play It Out did? I don't know how many thousands of hours he worked on the mess he made, but amazingly, it all worked, somehow.

[willow hill]

Lets Game It Out

[whole fable]

The nuclear tornado

[willow hill]

my world looked similar to his

[median rain]

Yeah only 75 Me per coal plant so you have to make new ones like every time you want to make a reasonably sized factory

Mw*

[willow hill]

in that i had a bunch of stuff everywhere and i barely had any idea what any of it was

[spark sky]

And, the thing is, he started when the game was in early alpha, and when it got to 1.0, the stuff stil worked.

[willow hill]

i had a biomass burner for every machine i had

and all of my stuff was just near the ore veins

[median rain]

The horror...

[willow hill]

yeah

i had that untill i unlocked coal power

it was a massive mess

[median rain]

I can't imagine how many times you would need to go get more biofuel in an entire playthrough and SECOND TO LAST PHASE?!?!?

[spark sky]

Oh, I built a biomass power plant with 9 biomass burners on top of the solid biofuel production, now I'm buiding one with at least 36 biomass burners sitting on top of the fuel production.

[willow hill]

no once i got to coal power i got rid of them all and just made a big coal power plant

[median rain]

Ok you nearly scare me there

[willow hill]

yeah

but i still had that for like, a good phase or two

so it was like that for a while

[median rain]

I went to coal immediately after i unlocked it cuz biomass is terrible to upkeep

[willow hill]

yeah

[spark sky]

I have a blueprint for 4 stacked coal power plants with the bottom two power plants in the blueprint and markers for where to put the top two, then just connect the pipes and conveyors.

[willow hill]

i did that too

but all the late game ores where thousands of meters away so i had to spend hours building hypertubes

[spark sky]

In fact, I made two more blueprints, one with 3 of them side-by-side and another with one and a stairs system to get up to the upper levels.

[willow hill]

to stuff like oil and uranium

did anyone ever tell you that you talk like ai @spark sky

[whole drum]

I can promise you he's not AI, lol

[spark sky]

No, and I don't. I talk like someone who has at least had some college education.

I've heard AI talk, I would correct their grammar.

[willow hill]

im not saying that he is im just saying that he just talks like ai would

[whole drum]

Not really

[spark sky]

How do you figure that?

[willow hill]

you use really good grammer

[whole drum]

Unless you mean he just uses complete sentences, lol

[willow hill]

and big words

a lot of people i know, and i mean a looooot dont use proper grammer

so it is just a big difference to me

[whole drum]

Maybe you should meet some more educated people 😄

[willow hill]

nah

[spark sky]

Well, I took 2 years of college, 2 years of technical school, and I love to read (I've even started proofreading some books).

[willow hill]

you also type in paragraphs

a lot of people i know dont even use full sentances

just like a word or two

[spark sky]

Yes, I do. I'm not one of these phone texting people.

[willow hill]

sometimes more than that

im just used to at most a sentance

[spark sky]

You see, I understand that, unless I put things in context, I'm not really communicating what I'm saying, modern English is just that inaccurate. Being an innovator by nature, having been in a computer development group, having had to describe things in detail so there is no mistaking what I mean, I tend to be wordy.

[willow hill]

does nobody else see what i mean

other than the billions of emojis he talks like ai

[median rain]

I see it, but you don't have to make fun of him cuz of it

[spark sky]

The only reason you look at that and say "AI" is because you've never had a discussion with a college proffessor.

[whole drum]

This is normal for people who grew up without smart phones and internet in every facet of their life. We used to have to write essays for our education, and spelling and grammar were scored. What you're experiencing is the effect of smart devices dumbing people down, especially when paired with the lack of expectations for academic performance.

[spark sky]

And, when my dad graduated high school (in 8th grade), he was expected to have that level of communication skill.

[median rain]

It's not that it's dumbing them down, it's that it makes the reliant on dopamine and have small attention spans, so when something as easy as writing takes a half second too long, they find a way to shorten it because they are too lazy to write the whole thing.

[willow hill]

im not making fun of him, im just sayin

i am 12 years old

[whole drum]

While that's also true, Finn, people are off-loading their intellectual processing power onto these devices--becoming reliant on them in that way.

[median rain]

You should not be on discord if you're 12 years old😭

[spark sky]

Imagine graduating high school in 8th grade and having to know calculus and state history (in detail) to pass your final exam?

[whole drum]

Used to have to know all 50 states and where they are on the map too, lol

[whole fable]

Once a conveyor is started going the wrong direction is there a way to turn it or am I going to have to scrap and rerun it?

[spark sky]

I wouldn't go that far, as I've said before, I've seen a 13-year-old that was more mature than a 40-year-old, but then that was probably an exception.

[median rain]

What do you mean

[whole fable]

I started making a conveyor belt from the wrong side of a storage container, so it is running towards the container instead of away

[whole drum]

In general, I just don't think it's too healthy or safe for children to be on online social platforms unsupervised.

[whole drum]

I think you have to redo it

[dense violet]

jfc - having moderate language skills confuses people and they think it's AI now.

[little kettle]

legally you can't be on tiktok if you're under the age of 13 actually

[spark sky]

Depending on what you connected it to, where you connect it first determines the direction. If you connect it to a wall hole or conveyor support first, that's going to be considered the source of the material on the belt. If you connect it to the input of a machine or splitter first, that will define the direction.

[median rain]

If stuff is going into the container just delete the stuff, then put it the right way

[whole fable]

Yeah but like, once disconnected from that why can't we change the direction?

[whole fable]

I ran a long conveyor from one factory to another and didnt want to redo is all

[spark sky]

Because it was built going a particular direction. To fix it, you have to delete all the belt going the wrong direction.

[whole fable]

Obviously. I'm asking why the belt doesn't have an option to change the direction, that's all

[wicked nacelle]

it's a massive QOL miss by the developers

[icy jetty]

i think i figured out what bothers me so much about this game. the terrain and building system literally don't work together. save for the when you place buildings right on it (with how the buildings feet extend)

but other than from that very limited extension, nothing about the players build kit works with or molds the terrain. you can't make the land flat so that you can avoid platforms, and the platform selection is a bit limited so making it fit with the terrain doesn't work all the time.

in games like factorio, you can bomb the mountains if they're in your way, or fill in dirt if you need more room...more than that though it's far less tedious to do work in factorio so you spend a lot less time on details like "well this is 1mm off so it doesn't connect"

and games of 7Daystodie, `which i hate that 7days stopped being about the open world base survival and started being about dungeon crawls essentially) has a voxel world so you can mold it to your base and things slot in.

[dense violet]

it's a super niche situation?

[wicked nacelle]

it's not niche at all. It would be huge for things like blueprints

[dense violet]

build on foundations?

that's literally how you 'make the land flat'

[spark sky]

Because the developers didn't build that into the program? Perhaps they didn't think that you would build a long belt and not figure out at first that it was going the wrong way. At any rate, we all make mistakes and have to learn from them. I've seen people have to tear down a whole factory because they built it just slightly in the wrong place.

[whole drum]

This so much

[icy jetty]

also belts need to allow us to merge multiple pieces into one unit for deconstruction and upgrade purposes

[dense violet]

hold ctrl , dismantle many things at once

[wicked nacelle]

that would fix the stupid "hidden low tier belt sliver" problem

[icy jetty]

that's been painfully slow in my experience

[dense violet]

then you need a bit more practice. It's very fast

hold ctrl, wave your cursor around, done

[spark sky]

It's not as slow as deconstructing things one at a time.

But, it is a good way to accidentally delete something you didn't want to delete, say, something that is in the background.

[icy jetty]

so practice solves the problem of "there's a belt behind that splitter, and i can't deconstruct both from here because the splitter is blocking the view, and i have 16 more of the same problem after that"?

[dense violet]

theres also buttons to exclude certain items from your CTRL delete

[dense violet]

ok but where in your solution does it stop connecting every belt to delete in one go?

[dense violet]

your solution is 'delete every single belt in the system'. which is frankly very silly

it would be a hanging offense to code that

[icy jetty]

now it lets me choose to unify what i want as i go

[spark sky]

So, you move to where you can see it?

[dense violet]

yes this step exists already, you unify it when yo uchoose to dismantle it

[icy jetty]

i put belt A down, i put belt B down. then with my foresight, i realize i want these to be one unit so i select them both and "make it so"

[dense violet]

it's is objectively less work

because you may never want to delete it

[spark sky]

Well, no, you can't magically make one belt out of two. You have to put a merger or splitter between them to connect them.

[icy jetty]

no i def know from experience that having small silvers of belt be sep pieces is bad, but sometimes the game makes it necessary. so objectively, i know it's a bad system

[dense violet]

don't build splitters on top of belts. It's a dumb move

[charred sandal]

Weirdest thing ever that I cant even begin to think how could ever happen.

I have a set of 8 manufacturers making oscillators. 3 of them stopped.

One had a single item clogging input A, another had a DIFFERRENT single item clogging input B, and the third had yet a different single item clogging input C.

[dense violet]

and if you do, rebuild the connections

[spark sky]

And note the blue or organge arrows at the ends, while placing belts, that tells you which direction they will go.

[glass pagoda]

is there anyway i can use a depot thingy to put items into machines

[spark sky]

So, you tried to make a sushi belt but where were the items going? They would only get stuck if the output stopped because something was stuck ahead.

[icy jetty]

"can't magically make one out of two" and we can't magically make a space elevator happen with a click of a button...and yet we can. it's a limitation only enforced by "because".

[charred sandal]

I have never intentionally mixed belts, and there was only a single item in 3 different inputs. no issues anywhere else

[glass pagoda]

please tell me if any of you knoe

[dense violet]

there is not. That's the point of them

[spark sky]

Where did those items come from? Was there material blocking the output?

[dense violet]

use Drones if you want to 'teleport' items

[whole drum]

I only use sushi belts to transfer low quantity per minute of diverse materials across long distances so I don't have to triple my belt work

[charred sandal]

No idea at all :3

[whole drum]

You un-sushi them when they get where you want them

[icy jetty]

and if you don't get things exact you'll need a sink

[wicked nacelle]

that requires an overflow to a sink though.

yeah.. if you don't want a sink you still have to do the work to get the ratios right which means you may as well just straight sushi belt the stuff in

[charred sandal]

I mean, it doesnt if you underclock precisely

[icy jetty]

until the output is full...

[spark sky]

Well, that's what you have to figure out, you need to know where things came from and where they are going to figure out why they stopped. If there is nothing on the output belt, those things should not have stopped at the inputs to a merger. Now, if you ran an input belt to the outputs of a splitter, that might be a problem of a different sort.

[whole drum]

Correct

[little kettle]

Or (if you have them) just use a smart splitter maybe?

[icy jetty]

and those sinks seem eexxxppensive on power

[whole drum]

That's only because you're not on oil yet

[spark sky]

You don't need a sink for every overflow, that's the point where a sushi belt will just take the stuff to be disposed, whatever it is.

[hard steeple]

omg I love dimensional storage!

[icy jetty]

it really bothers me that they don't want us daisy chaining, but the wires running the entire base are somehow the same gauge and it doesn't catch on fire

[spark sky]

Well, it is a game.

There are a few things you can daisy chain, like power storage, but most machines, no.

[whole fable]

Daisy chain was my favorite feature when I played with mods

[wicked nacelle]

what I hate is that the game doesn't understand the concept of an "in only" and an "out only" pwoer connection. It lets you wire two constructors together when that's literally never something you could want to do

[icy jetty]

did you know they don't use copper for our mains?

[wicked nacelle]

or wire together two power generators

[spark sky]

I think that's because in a real industrial situation, you don't daisy chain machines.

[whole fable]

You'd be surprised what they do at some places tbh

[wicked nacelle]

Thjere's a lot of issues when you start comparing how this game does power stuff to real life.

[wind marsh]

yall i havent playted since 1.0 released, is the crystal computer a good alt? setting up a modular engine / adaptive control unit factory

[spark sky]

I'm just saying that the devs might have considered that and based how they do things on that.

[icy jetty]

the fact the main wire isn't as thick as a tree or goes to a transformer is one of them

[spark sky]

Well, we don't have 3-phase power with ground, either.

[icy jetty]

no that could be hidden in that one tiny wire

[spark sky]

Or even 2-phase.

[wicked nacelle]

there's no such thing as 2 phase is there?

[spark sky]

Yes, there is.

[wicked nacelle]

normal AC 120+120v isn't two phase

[spark sky]

It's rare, but it does exist.

[wicked nacelle]

okay - I was confused that normal residential power wasn't 2 phase for a very long time. But that's considered single phase for some reason

[night summit]

How do yall layout your base in order to keep everything organized

[limpid hazel]

it's clearly a systemd based on superconducting DC power transmission with earth ground return

[whole fable]

That's the neat part, you don't!

[icy jetty]

i don't see why 2phase wouldn't exist, it's just the other side of the circle

[icy jetty]

i give up and go skyplatform

[whole drum]

Dis is de way

[spark sky]

Well, consider 3-phase power, when it gets to a residential area, each of the 3 phases is used to power a section of the area. That's single-phase. the neutral just returns the electricity to that phase's other side of the transformer. The ground is a safety measure in case the neutral fails.

[wicked nacelle]

I don't know but chatgpt says ". True two-phase power has two independent phases 90° apart" and I don't know that it's wrong.

[whole fable]

2 phase does exist, it is just inferior to three phase in every way

It's only used in super old equipment from before 3-phase was the norm

[icy jetty]

2 phase is just step 1 of thinking "how to get more out of this spinning magnet"

[spark sky]

3-phase uses 3 windings, offset by 120 degrees, I do think your 2-phase description is wrong, it would be 180 degrees out of phase.

[icy jetty]

3 phase is "ok we got more out of this spinning magnet, but how to we get MOAR"