satisfactory

[reef basin]

there's only one afaik and it's pretty up-to-date

[crimson lantern]

Hi greeny

Sorry bout earlier

[dim cradle]

I mean I've been doing this for a while but gosh I'm skirting the razor's edge on this power consumption thing, my batteries are almost always engaged now XD

[wicked nacelle]

SCIM has both current and 0.8

I don’t think there have been any map changes since 1.0

[gloomy marsh]

Scim needs a feature to mark found locations

[sullen gull]

How do you mean? You are aware of being able to set markers on the map through right?

[tall lantern]

or just import your save (assuming PC)

[gloomy marsh]

Console. Just to mark the already gathered slugs and stuff

[reef basin]

game has radar towers for that

[sullen gull]

Well, as for slugs, there are a ton on the map. As for SCIM, if you've collected it, it won't show up when you load your save (or in the case of hard drives, mercers,and sloops, greyed out)

[gloomy marsh]

I'm on console. So a way to do that manually would be nice

[tall lantern]

sounds like something to suggest to the devs of SCIM

I thought there was a way to manually grey out stuff you've collected but not seeing it offhand

[wicked nacelle]

You can mark them on your map in game

[sullen gull]

I had asked before, but don't recall an answer, I'm assuming console users don't have an ability to export/import saves?

[wicked nacelle]

Indirectly but still
You can put a stamp down

[wicked nacelle]

Seems unlikely

[sullen gull]

I'm not a console player so I don't know, but are there other games that have this similar functionality?

[gloomy marsh]

We can't import saves

[sullen gull]

Like, ability to throw a save on a USB and load it for example...

[gloomy marsh]

Nope

[white dawn]

There are not; consoles have that stuff wrapped up pretty tightly, and circumventing it technically breaks your TOS

(And generally requires some extra decryption-type steps w/ third-party apps which you don't have to do on PC versions)

[sullen gull]

Hrmpf ... guess another "subconcious" reason I avoided consoles all these years 🤣

[wicked nacelle]

You basically lose all third party additional functionality on consoles.

[abstract heron]

What does

[fierce granite]

i guess for now you could just get a fresh save from a pc player and upload that to SCIM, and mark stuff off as you collect it, then download it afterwards to keep progress.

[wicked nacelle]

New steam computer will be neat but probably too confusing for a lot of console gamers

And probably more expensive than consoles

[dim cradle]

I tested a route basically across the whole map, 112 fuel required which is more than a full stack. Still does it.

[wicked nacelle]

Can you mark them as taken in SCIM?

[dim cradle]

Pic in screenshots in a sec.

[abstract heron]

What

[sullen gull]

Yep

[fierce granite]

if you have a save loaded

[white dawn]

Aha, cool, had thought that would probablky be the case. Cheers, thanks!

[abstract heron]

I need to work on my refinery’s setup

And get the sinks in etc etc

[dim cradle]

#screenshots message

[sullen gull]

Build all the refineries.

Like, all of them.

[abstract heron]

I will soon I am going to do limestone ones probably this weekend

And finish up iron and copper today or tmr

Then I might do quartz aswell

[dim cradle]

The stack transfer rate is abysmal though lol, 1.51 per min

[wicked nacelle]

Did the drone make a round trip?

[dim cradle]

Would take 8 drone ports to just max out the miner

[wicked nacelle]

Without fuel at the other end?

[dim cradle]

yep

[wicked nacelle]

Huh

[dim cradle]

You can see in the pic I posted

That's the caterium ore from down there

Apparently it's 112 fuel per trip so I'm surprised it works

Just made another trip too. Idk how it works, maybe having to have more than one stack of fuel just eats into their transport inventory

I wonder if it takes up a whole stack slot

[wicked nacelle]

For some reason I don’t think they have an internal stack per se

[dim cradle]

Would be easy to test I guess, make a trip of 99 fuel required and 101 fuel required and compared the stacks/min

Although a third variable would be that they make stacks/min heavily radius based so once you get outside of 100 fuel zone, it just drops regardless

[charred sandal]

Ok. It does calculate its energy use by its underclocked rate onj the grid

[dim cradle]

oh was gonna turn off my portal with a switch but I forgot to unlock those, oh well

[pine patrol]

they aint bad to unlock

[dim cradle]

Transdimensional warp technology sure, but switches? Nah, idk what that is

[white dawn]

(cc @dim cradle ) -- Correct; when the drone consumes fuel it's immediately converted into a generic energy value (though the drone does remember which fuels provided what energy value); once there's enough energy in the drone to make the journey, it'll take off

[dim cradle]

It's just funny, reminds me of some Civilization runs I've done

We don't need power switches, we never turn things off anyway

[white dawn]

Which is how at 112-Fuel route works; it'll end up eating the whole stack, but then as soon as 12 more Fuel makes it into the hopper, it'll have gobbled that up too and it'll take off

I've never actually tested what the exact behavior is re: fuelling at both sides; I suspect that it'll still take enough for the full round-trip from the "home" port, but then when it gets to the remote end, it'll "top up" so that it's still got a whole round-trip of energy stored within

But yeah, if you take a port with a docked drone and feed it exactly one fuel/battery/rf/whatever at a time, the drone will chomp them up individually immediately

[dim cradle]

Well considering that it's all networked together maybe it takes into account how much is at the far end in the calculation too

[white dawn]

(Which, interestingly, technically opens up the possibility of doing a direct-fed sushi belt with combined fuel types!)

[dim cradle]

Fuel is really cheap, I wonder if any of the other fuel types fly faster

[white dawn]

That's possible, sure, but I feel like they'd want to guard against a capricious Pioneer emptying the fuel hopper on the remote side, mid-route

So I suspect that requiring a "full tank" so to speak is likely the way they'd've gone

[dim cradle]

well they could just make it not take off

It'd probably only take it at the location

[white dawn]

Would differ from the otherwise-established drone behavior then, though, which is "don't take off until you have enough for a round trip"

I mean, five minutes on an AGS save would settle it one way or the other. :)

Interestingly, if there's a surplus of fuel at the home port, the first fuel load a drone takes will be about 1.5x what it actually needs

[dim cradle]

hmm... could test it later, too sleepy now. But my thoughts are they could make it take off only when enough for a round trip, also taking the destination into account. Then if they get to the other station and find there's no fuel, they just sit there

[white dawn]

So it's technically got enough energy for three legs of the trip, not just two

[dim cradle]

Seems like the fuel powered drone is cheap and effective though

[white dawn]

If you starve the home port and only provide "half" for the drone's next run, it'll pick up that half and do the route as per usual, since it's got the 0.5x extra energy already stored up

[dim cradle]

Entire factory runs on one diluted fuel refinery lmao

[white dawn]

They could, sure. My money's still on "the initial takeoff requires enough energy for a full round-trip" though. :D

[dim cradle]

Finishing on 4200mw of coal power would be pretty hellish...

24-26k of geo+sloop was already bad enough in phase 5

[wicked nacelle]

Which a strange mechanic. Turning it into electricity would actually be consistent with how it can also run of batteries (but not the jet engines in back) but remembering the fuel type makes no sense

[white dawn]

Yeah, I was surprised by that too when I saw it in the data. I was wondering if drones fuelled by nuclear rods actually are radioactive themselves, perhaps? Could be one reason to keep track of it, at least

("saw it in the data" by right-clicking a drone in SCIM and heading to "advanced" -- can see all the info that's saved in there)

[fervent garden]

#screenshots I'm trying to add more but with how the pipes and conveyers are idk if I can

[steel kelp]

The higher processed the fuel the faster it flies. Wiki has all the info!

[fervent sand]

bring the coal to water

not them both half-way

[hard ivy]

Or, better yet, find a place with both coal and water in close proximity. There's plenty of those

[fervent garden]

This was the closest I could find it.

For some reason the coals up high so I have to bring it down with conveyers

Guys check #1038092680493801533 I made a thingy

[north summit]

Xenobasher is the best weapon guys

It costs nothing to use so it wastes nothing

therefore FICSIT approved

[dim cradle]

So it'll fly faster, but takeoff and landing is still 51 seconds every time huh

that's pretty oof

[hexed vine]

Hello

[dim cradle]

like you save a lot on the trip itself, but so much of it is static time wise.

[fervent sand]

there’s a place ||to the north of your base, over a wooded hill. Its a big lake ||

[dusty harbor]

can i select multiple things in my inv and delete them all at once?

[fervent sand]

shift click into a bin connected to a sink?

[wicked nacelle]

🙁

trashing stuff is painful in this game, for example.

[reef basin]

because you shouldn't trash things in this game

[ornate saffron]

remember you can pout any one unit into the toilet and it will be trashed

[tawny elk]

Hello guys, i just started satisfactory plus, someone did it please ? Im stuck cause i dlnt find anywhere how to get this

[wicked nacelle]

most things at least

[dusty harbor]

I found an old freight loader full of sulfur. im still wondering why it had sulfur in it, but anyway i deleted it and had to delete so much of it manaully from my inv

[north summit]

instead of turning it into Environmentally Friendly Explosives for Environmentally Friendly Mass Wildlife Murder in the name of Environmentally Friendly Factory Expansion

Blasphemy

[dusty harbor]

first step of satisfactory is very simple

delete it before it captures you 💔

[north summit]

Find the Orbs

T̶̈́̂̃͜ḧ̸̜͉̊ḙ̶̺̔ ̵̛̻͓ͅŌ̴͐̈́r̵͓̎͗͘b̴s

[dusty harbor]

also make sure to throw away the glowing slugs

they're completely useless

[north summit]

make sure to use the Hub's Biofuel Power

its the best powersource in the game

[sharp basin]

I have too much smart plating since I just did that part of Phase 2, feeding it to my Sink: around 500 points/smart plating, not so bad!

[north summit]

very smart

Sink everything

earth can wait, tickets are eternal

foundations are a waste of resources btw, just build everything on the ground, spaghetti = good

[sharp basin]

And finally finished my 1st coal-powered factory, free 1,200 MW, going to do a 2nd one on another lake, same, 1,200 MW, then I’ll start my very 1st real factory, ain’t changing my plans, already started the foundations: 2 buildings, one on each side of the Grass Fields stone arch, with bridges connecting each building going through the stone arch

[dusty harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/satisfactory-gaming-dance-gif-10137387965009279547

aww man, no gifs?

[wicked nacelle]

that's a feature not a bug

[primal obsidian]

im playing an always online server how do i deal with nuclear waste, before the whole grid goes offline

[ornate saffron]

turn it into plutonium

[primal obsidian]

ok what do i need for that

[dusty harbor]

i know bro im not slow 😭

[ornate saffron]

in game Hit "n" and type in plutonium rods

[primal obsidian]

ok

[wicked nacelle]

short term you can just make a ton more containers to store it. Long term turn it into plutonium fuel rods and sink those

[ornate saffron]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Plutonium_Fuel_Rod

[vast ingot]

Do ye ever feel that ye need to reorganise your factory

but are worried something will break if you do

[ornate saffron]

all the time

[wicked nacelle]

no, it's only you. and 029384029384 other people

[ornate saffron]

I resist the urge to burn it to the ground daily

[primal obsidian]

i dont

i just do

[dusty harbor]

its a canon event to delete your factory and rebuild it from the ground up so you can get 3 more whatever the hell per second

and its always worth it 🙏

[vast ingot]

not the factory

one of the satellite factories

[ornate saffron]

I just make newer better factories. This way i can go back and see my progress from hour 1 to hour 1200

[primal obsidian]

just now realizing that 3.5 x.2 does NOT equal 1.2

i can still make more reactors

[vast ingot]

Juclear waste is so annoying

[primal obsidian]

guess i can jsut overclock the second gen

so now i just need to add one more

[vast ingot]

Are there any tutorials on how to effectively set up drones?

[ornate saffron]

likely on you tube. But i found it rather straight forward. mind you ive only used it in small limited areas

[vast ingot]

Like

Would you have an array of drones specifically for power delivery

I.e batteries and fuel

On separate ports

[ornate saffron]

I used packaged fuel

it goes into the fuel port on the drones plateform.

for my use it uses 24fuel for a 1km trip

if the round trip uses less fuel then it can hold you only need to supply fuel from one plateform

trail and error and learning from the process is a great way to improve your game knowledge

[vast ingot]

I just wish drones used grid energy like trains

[ornate saffron]

you could just use trains instead of drones. this is my forth run of the game and its my first time using drones.

[vast ingot]

I'm using both atm

[dusty harbor]

trains > drones

[vast ingot]

Trains for bulk goods and liquids/gases

Drones for packaged liquids and misc stuff i dont want transported by train short-haul

[vast ingot]

I've got a whole sky platform for my trains

[dusty harbor]

LEMME SEE

[vast ingot]

I dont have a pic but picture this

Ramps up from every satellite base

[hard junco]

hey is it possible to use road barrier on ramps?

[vast ingot]

And junctions

[wheat musk]

Guys I need help with nuclear power

I just unlocked it and idek where to start

[ornate saffron]

post in #1038092680493801533 its a lot easier to get answers there.

[wheat musk]

Okay lol

[ornate saffron]

in this chat the thread gets lost easily thats all

[wheat musk]

Yeah it’s just I have a lot of questions and idk like where to start like

I have to do aluminum and supercomputers and then idek how to power the plants like

Can I just use uranium ore or do I have to craft it into rods

[primal obsidian]

rods

[wheat musk]

And like where do I put the waste and how do I power all this stuff do I like power up one plant at a time

[primal obsidian]

depends on how much rods your making

[wheat musk]

I wanna make a huge plant I don’t wanna have to worry about power for a wile

[vast ingot]

One at a time

You'll be dealing with waste

[ornate saffron]

responded in #design-and-architecture

[hard junco]

thanks i just saw it, i used painted beams they looke better walkways doesnt fit road for me

[primal obsidian]

with one overclocked normal node of uranium with mk.3 miner you can get 30 gens, but good luck wiht the logistics

60 water extractors among other

[shrewd palm]

process the waste, build on an ocean, and have really good logistics

if you want to go big with nuclear you might as well go all the way and get the full 630GW

2300 uranium being processed into 50.4 fuel rods, making 2520 waste and (depending on the recipe) 12.6 plutonium rods to use as vehicle fuel with the overflow being sunk or take what you can to ficsonium

although with a nuclear plant on that scale i would not recommend going to ficsonium as it will eat a ton of resources (using up the entire map for some) and you dont need the power

for the planning the whole thing i HIGHLY recommend satisfactory modeler on steam, its a factory + logistics (sort of, i dont use the feature all that much) planner that imo is much better than satisfactory tools for projects this large and complicated

as for where to start you'll want to get a decent amount of aluminum and rubber going and then find a spot to build it

lots of people build in the swamp but there isnt very much there so you'll have to either train in all the raw resources or make them in satellite factories and bring them over then

another really good spot is the rocky desert, it has a lot of resources like quartz, iron, and copper which is like 1/3 of the resources you'll need

ive seen people build in the spire coast but it has the same problems as the swamp

my next big nuclear plant is gonna be down by the waterfalls in the south east of the map

nuclear power is probably gonna be the most complicated thing you do up until phase 5 space elevator

but it is very well worth it

[dense violet]

A basic plan made in two seconds in tools.

You can drone or move the rods to water if you want, easily move and store the waste if you like. Drones are good for both theses things but lots of options https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=SDxm03toLgLbbh5OWSLL

[eager pilot]

Is 6 water intakes enough for 12 coal generators?

[dense violet]

Modeller is more of a layout tool than an actual planner. It’s pretty slow and clunky

[dense violet]

How much does an extract output?
How much does a generator need? 🙂

Very standard steps that need to become second nature if you want to create smooth running systems

[prisma wagon]

Question if i pipe together three water pumps with a junction into one pipe, to power 8 coal generators will that reduce my water output

[eternal raptor]

MK1 or 2 pipes?

[prisma wagon]

I was told the ratio is 3:8 so id assume 6:16 would be appropriate

[prisma wagon]

Mk1 pipes

[eternal raptor]

Combine 2, put that combined pipe at one end of the gen manifold, then connect a single pipe at the other end

I am on a bus so I don't have access to ms paint :(

[white dawn]

So yeah, 3:8 does work, though you need some creative piping

[prisma wagon]

oh*

[white dawn]

Consider: Coal gens require 45/min water each, for 360/min total. A water extractor provides 120/min each, for 360/min total. so that works out

The problem to solve is that mk1 pipes can only carry 300/min

In the end there's lots of pipe arrangements which will work fine, though the key is that you can't combine all three extractors into a single pipe and have it be enough, since the pipe's throughput will limit you

If you want some spoilers on how to pipe things, the wiki's got a number of suggested arrangements (a search for "cg" should get you there)

[prisma wagon]

okay thanks! im redesigning my whole factory so this helps alot

starting with power

[eternal raptor]

It is a common situation so there are a lot of resources

[white dawn]

I'd recommend sticking to 3:8 rather than expanding to 6:16, btw, at least for the piping. Keep the piping to groups of 3:8

[eternal raptor]

My progression this save was so scuffed

I rushed alien power since each one gives a base 500mw and they don't continuously consume resources. So I literally just held my power grid up with 4 augmenters until I built a fuel powerplant

[exotic bane]

Whats the input for on the Alien power, I just placed my fist one

[eternal raptor]

It is optional

[white dawn]

You can feed it a late-game Tier 9 item (||Alien Power Matrix||) at, I think, 5/min, to boost its power-enhancement from 10% to 30%

[exotic bane]

Right, Thanks

[eternal raptor]

Don't know anyone who actually bothers to feed it tho

[white dawn]

Honestly it's worth it for the animation if nothing else

I agree that if your factories are robust enough to be able to make the APMs in the first place you probably don't need that extra 20%, but the animation is A+

[eternal raptor]

Alien power matrices are so annoying to make that you might as well just do more nuclear

[white dawn]

I'd recommend folks supply at least one of their APAs, just to have that running

[eternal raptor]

And the flex on how much power capacity you can get

I was actually gonna do the flex but I will finish my current suffering first

[tall lantern]

I did it just to have it done, and it is pretty neat

[white dawn]

Yeah, it's just awesome to be around once it's running

[random garnet]

I have now hit my first wall of not knowing what to do. I’ve built highways spanning across a large distance going from my coal power generation to a differnt coal node and after realising about trains I dunno how ima incorporate trains onto my roads

[white dawn]

Our promised lasers!

[eternal raptor]

Don't add infrastructure for the sake of building it, I did that last save and it burnt me out, if you don't know how to incorporate trains then it is probably because you don't need them now

[random garnet]

I love building nice roads and Infastructure.

But tbh I could always keep my roads and then just build the train lines above it or he’ll build the train tracks completly separate

[eternal raptor]

Id recommend keeping the roads and just making sure you have allowed space for trains if they are needed in the future

I also enjoy infrastructure a lot but sometimes I end up building something that never gets used, then I find out that I need to build some infrastructure somewhere else and now I have to do it all again when I could've just waited until I needed it

[novel heath]

anyones satisfacotry game colour looks suddenly much more saturated? starting to build around the northern forest and everything looks so different

[fervent sand]

fog?

[novel heath]

idt theres any fog here? im like at the border kinda ish between rocky desert and northern forest

[fervent sand]

there's always fog. You can try putting in r.fog 0 in the console to see if that fixes it

[prisma wagon]

Do resources run out? like can i continously run my coal output and fuel without worry of resource depletion

[tall lantern]

nodes are bottomless

[novel heath]

oh what? alright thanks

[fervent sand]

nope

[fervent sand]

did that fix things?

[novel heath]

no

[fervent sand]

oh huh

[wheat linden]

do you need to research more than one parent item to unlocke the child item now in the MAM?

[novel heath]

pinged you in screenshot
i find it to be a really big problem tbh yesterday my eye hurt a ton

[primal crypt]

is thier a section for mods here i forgot what the magic word is for the mod interface and my install is broken after 1.1

[eternal raptor]

There is a satisfactory mod discord

[harsh crystal]

does anyone have any idea if satisfactory goes on sale often, if so are there any ideas when a sale would me

[wheat linden]

Black Friday maybe

[wheat linden]

Can also use steamdb https://steamdb.info/app/526870/

[hard junco]

hey its not possible to deliver multiple parts using a truck station right? i tried moving computers and circuit board, but the circuit board took most of the tuck station storage and its the only one being sent to the constructors while computers are sitting top of the storage

i used a smart splitter to split the parts when they come out of the truck station but only the circuit board is coming first

[feral geyser]

Yes, you need to research all parent nodes to access the child

[median geyser]

If I have accidentally over-explored on foot, is there an easy way to get back to home?

[hard junco]

respawn

[median geyser]

wont that drop my invent?

[hard junco]

turn on keep inventory in settings

[median geyser]

oh big brain lmao

[hard junco]

lol

[median geyser]

You just saved me like 45-60mins of cursing 😂

[tough trellis]

welp, ive beat the game

now that I have, all that hyperfocusing on it has fizzled away and I feel lost

[lucid pagoda]

is there any way to put a water extractor in a blueprint designer? ive tried putting the designer in water but i cant figure out a good way

[eternal raptor]

there used to be but not anymore

there was a bug where you could place one in a blueprint and then select the blueprint and place it literally anywhere, didn't have to be in the water

[lucid pagoda]

damn, now i gotta place 800 water extractors by hand

imma die

[eternal raptor]

get synthetic power shards first so you can overclock them

[lucid pagoda]

that is overclocked

[eternal raptor]

what is the 800 for?

[lucid pagoda]

i have the 1800 shards

[wheat linden]

Welp, that’s changed

[hard junco]

u making Chernobyl of power?

[lucid pagoda]

an absurd nuclear system

[lucid pagoda]

yea

[hard junco]

lmao

[lucid pagoda]

800 extractors for ~800 plants

i chose to oc the extractors cus i can blueprint most of the reactor stuff

[eternal raptor]

i am building a max nuclear plant and it is only gonna need 234 water extractors how did you get 800

[eternal raptor]

wait how the hell do you plan to fuel 800 plants????

[lucid pagoda]

240m^3 per reactor is 1 extractor at 2x and so math is easy i went with that, its 1:1

[lucid pagoda]

some funny slooping

my plutonium fuel units are all slooped and my instant uranium cells have 2 sloops each

[eternal raptor]

YOU ARE SLOOPING A POWERPLANT???? YOU ARE PSYCHOTIC

[lucid pagoda]

very, i want 2 terrywatts

wroing unit

the exact numbers are 216 for 1800 uranium and then 576 for plutonium

[eternal raptor]

is that purely for the flex cuz i am trying to make 80% of the theoretical ticket per minutes and i am only burning half of my plutonium and nothing in the powerplant is gonna be slooped cuz the sloops will be for the ballistic warp drives

[lucid pagoda]

yea, i like big numbers and i can make a statement covering half an ocean with nuclear plants

[eternal raptor]

tbh after my current save i was gonna do i save where i try to get the max power that way as well

i like cool numbers too

[lucid pagoda]

i have a lil leeway cus my world has 156 sloops

dunno how but i have 156 sloops

prolly an update resetting em

cus ik a couple updates were bugged

[eternal raptor]

i only got 103 after the mam research :(

[lucid pagoda]

106 should be the limit

[eternal raptor]

yeah 3 are used in mam research

but you can just not research the alien power matrix which is basically useless and have 104 left over instead of 103

but i researched the alien power matrix :(

the other 2 mam sloops are mandatory tho

[lucid pagoda]

nah, imma hit this with some matrixes later

[haughty torrent]

Is it not that efficient to sloop power plants?

[lucid pagoda]

the extra sloops go to 4 augmenters with matrix

[eternal raptor]

you have to at that point, i dont make the rules, but if the number can be bigger, you must make it bigger

[lucid pagoda]

if i remember right that could be four terrywatts

[eternal raptor]

depends on how bad your current power plant is or how much you want to flex, but generally you would want to use all your sloops on doubling resources that have a deficit or just to sink for even more tickets

[sharp basin]

Just realized I can swap colors so now EVERYTHING is in FICSIT Foundation Swatch (greyish with small nuances of orange) and it ROCKS

[lucid pagoda]

I FOUND A MOD TO ZOOP WATER EXTRACTORS, thank odin

[tough trellis]

be sure to give me those figures when youre done 😉

[lucid pagoda]

will do

[eternal raptor]

pick a bright colour and then write 100 in the opacity slider box

[tough trellis]

im super serious please dm me with the details

[lucid pagoda]

lmao, ill make a long post about the project in screenshots when im done

[eternal raptor]

when do you think your project will be done

[lucid pagoda]

next week, maybe the week after cus of testing

since i can zoop extractors i can prolly finish that part by friday

[eternal raptor]

damn mine is still gonna take a couple more months

[lucid pagoda]

my project is 3 months of off-on work

cus i dont wanna burn out

[eternal raptor]

i have taken like a month break

luckily i have signs absolutely everywhere

[sharp basin]

That’s how you make LED materials?

[eternal raptor]

idk i dont really do asethetics i have just heard that making the opacity way over normal makes the colour more bold

[sharp basin]

If somebody knows (how to make some materials glowing like LED lights)?

[eternal raptor]

for example the normal black just when maxing out the sliders on concrete just looks a lil grey, but if you manually override the opacity value to something much higher than 1 then it will actually be black

[eternal raptor]

try doing the same thing but with signs on max brightness

make the sign just have a background

[sharp basin]

I see what you mean but I’m talking like ligns

To shine some builing parts

[eternal raptor]

like real lights?

those are in the awesome shop

but the real lights at least for me absolutely tank performance

[sharp basin]

Oh and you can align/resize them?

[eternal raptor]

not resize

[sharp basin]

And change colors?

[eternal raptor]

yes you can

you need to use the light control panel for that

[sharp basin]

Shit I just spent 24 coupons

Thanks bro

[eternal raptor]

no worries

[lucid pagoda]

NEW MOD daisy chaining, avoiding pole spaghet in the extracting area :)

praise modders

[eternal raptor]

hopefully the devs dont read this but i have always had a bad time with the lighting system, i have always found the system a lil bit annoying

[lucid pagoda]

my complaint is the max distance for global illumination, i cant make things look epic at a distance with lighting

its like 40m or somethin like that

[sharp basin]

Hopefully they do, so they might improve stuff

[lucid pagoda]

signs dont light up the area without global illumination acting on em

[eternal raptor]

and also i literally cannot use lights in my saves cuz otherwise i will forever be on 10 fps

[sharp basin]

Yeah apparently there are light problems

[lucid pagoda]

i cant speak on the performance aspect but yea lights are problematic

[sharp basin]

First fluids then MAY BE lights

[lucid pagoda]

nahhhh we all good, we got fluid truck, our problems have been solved

[sharp basin]

I feel the irony here

May be they’ll improve fluid trains at the same time, even fluid drones

[lucid pagoda]

my only problem with fluids has been with an extensive rubber and plastic plant, all my numbers are exact but somehow i run two generators perfectly fine, where dafuq does the extra fuel come from

[sharp basin]

1.2 is supposed to take care of that

[lucid pagoda]

omg u right, now i can use a truck to bring the materialized fuel to my gens

[eternal raptor]

are they actually going to add that or was that just a troll

[lucid pagoda]

we gettin a fluid truck

i think it was serious

[eternal raptor]

cuz the devs 100% know about our complaints

[sharp basin]

Nah 2 different fluids per truck

[lucid pagoda]

im hopin they did actually fix fluids but maybe coffee stain just bein silly

[eternal raptor]

fluid issues are like the number 1 thing people complain about in this game so i legitimately thought the fluid trucks were just a meme

but then it would be extra funny if they actually did add them

[sharp basin]

It’s not just trucks, apparently they fixed fluids problems

[lucid pagoda]

are you saying fluid trucks wont solve your every problem? do you even care for the puppies and the kittens, i shall fluid truck with joy

[feral geyser]

Show?

[lucid pagoda]

in fact, thats how ill get water to my plants

[wheat linden]

Like since before 1.0 lol

[lucid pagoda]

nah id actually kms if i had to bring water to 800 plants with trucks

[feral geyser]

Are you saying it used to not be like that?

[wheat linden]

Yes

[feral geyser]

Ah

[eternal raptor]

i am not trusting a thing out of anyone's mouth until i see actual gameplay footage, i dont want to get my hopes up on this one

[exotic needle]

Why are train signals a nightmare

[fervent sand]

wait really? Was this before update 3?

[lucid pagoda]

they just take some time to understand

[eternal raptor]

they are initially but they make perfect sense after some time

[exotic needle]

I very clearly do not understand them

[wheat linden]

90% sure

[fervent sand]

ah so before my time

[lucid pagoda]

lemme find the train post i always get, please hold

[eternal raptor]

it took me an entire day of testing to properly understand them

[exotic needle]

I guess I also made it pretty difficult on my self by having a roundabout and a double Y junction right next to each other

[fervent sand]

are the train signals equivilant to factorio or are there slight differences?

[exotic needle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/qxe0jv/a_psa_against_common_but_inefficient_advice_on/

[exotic needle]

?

[eternal raptor]

dont have intersections directly next to each other

they will deadlock

either combine the intersections or move them further apart

[lucid pagoda]

• Paths signals at all intersections entrance

• block signal at all intersections exits

• Use block signals alot To make the network work
  If you put a block signal then u will find a color change on the rail
  If you put a 2 block signal 2km apart from each other then as long there is a train on this 2 km line then the train will wait till the full 2km is clear of any trains
  And if they face any intersection then will suffer more

• i usually put a block signal every 12 foundation ( 80 m approximately)
  Foundations and walls doesn’t effect how train will work

Hope this helps

courtesy of @next brook

[exotic needle]

See the path at entrance and block at exit works on my roundabout but not my Y junction

[fervent sand]

boop

[lucid pagoda]

^
hes right

[exotic needle]

I just says the path signal is looping into itself which does not make sense

just on the Y junction

[lucid pagoda]

i think youll find quite a difference, my factorio pal spent ages complaining so i have to assume theyre different

[exotic needle]

Roundabout works fine

[lucid pagoda]

thats just the stereotypical path signal complaint

[exotic needle]

but what am I doing wrong lmfao

[median geyser]

Me: Overclocking great, Ive eaasily tripled my steel production! Stage 3 coming soon!

My power grid:

[fervent sand]

ok then I have no idea how satis does it's train system

[median geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-moms-stressed-nervous-scared-nervous-wreck-gif-4714295353730086471

[lucid pagoda]

try making sure ur path signal isnt directly where the rails merge, try placing it a lil inwards

[exotic needle]

Like farther before the merge?

[eternal raptor]

you are shooting yourself in the foot by trying to manage 2 intersections next to each other when you are still learning, path signals do multiple things, it checks to see if the path that the train wants to go is clear AND then it checks to see if the block after that section is clear, if you have an intersection directly after it becomes more complex because you will have to understand some pretty annoying chaining of path signals

[lucid pagoda]

sometimes having it where two merge makes it complain

no, lil after it, very little bit after

[exotic needle]

Alright I will try

[lucid pagoda]

or try after and before, it may work either way

like coders, when i do train i get it to work even if i dont know why it works whatsoever

[eternal raptor]

yeah i like to get something working, then i learn how it works

[exotic needle]

Understandable but I kinda have to have it where its at right now

[eternal raptor]

it is a good way to approach new things

[lucid pagoda]

i just pray it never stops working

[eternal raptor]

why is that?

[exotic needle]

Two resources coming in together at one factory and both transporting to two other factories as well

Im gonna try the path signaling revenant suggested and see if that fixes my Y junction problem

[eternal raptor]

why not combine them

[fervent sand]

ok I found this and now I know how satis does it's train system :DDDD

https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/wev2gn/are_trains_the_same_as_factorio/

[eternal raptor]

a roundabout is made to manage many entries and exists

[exotic needle]

Ill send a SS and see if you have any ideas

#screenshots Ignore the design its a work in progress

Its actually working fine now since I changed it but I dont have path signals at the Y junction just blocks

[lucid pagoda]

OHH theyre not just close together, they lead into each other, that makes more sense

[exotic needle]

is this an issue lol

[lucid pagoda]

no

[exotic needle]

superb

[lucid pagoda]

just explains why u did it in 2 junctions

[exotic needle]

so might just be the path on the merge then?

Honestly this is working so I might not change it lol

[lucid pagoda]

another way u could do it if u cant fix it would be to have it loop back after the station and feed back into the roundabout

[exotic needle]

Ill keep that in mind for later builds, if this one deadlocks again Ill fix it

One other thing in terms of efficiency

[eternal raptor]

it will deadlock again

[exotic needle]

Why does the path signal on the roundabout stay blocked like waaaay long after the train has cleared

The "waiting for path reservation"

Or is that just waiting for a train to need it?

[eternal raptor]

the path signal checks 2 things, it checks to see if the train is able to pass through the block, but it also checks to see if the block afterwards is free

[lucid pagoda]

#screenshots my diagram looks like a dick but thats a concept for how u could do it

[exotic needle]

Lol

I appreciate the effort in that

[lucid pagoda]

its the artism

[exotic needle]

The whole point I have this junction is so the train could drop off the concrete on the left and the right train continues on to the the coal power plant before returning on that middle track

I did have the idea of doing that originally but I feel like I would just cause excess traffic when I can just junction it

[lucid pagoda]

yea, thats true, only if junction work tho

[exotic needle]

I just have such a shitty understanding of the train signals because I havent really expanded a train nextwork this much before

[lucid pagoda]

and generally roundabouts can handle a lot of traffic

[exotic needle]

I mean like on the backside of the stations

[lucid pagoda]

would recommend bigger roundabouts if u expect traffic tho

[fierce granite]

Path signals stay red until a train has reserved the path, but that doesnt happen until a train is in the block before the path signal

[eternal raptor]

do exactly what i drew and your problems will be solved

red is path, orange is block

boxes are train station

[exotic needle]

#screenshots if I connect the station on the left in a junction it would either have to U turn which would require a lot more space or it would have to go all the way to the coal plant which seems unnecessary

[lucid pagoda]

brudda just drew my exact plastic export layout

[eternal raptor]

thats how most multi station setups look tbh

[lucid pagoda]

fair point, ive seen some... creative stations tho

[exotic needle]

ahh

that actually is superb

[lucid pagoda]

also tbf i rawdogged this game, no outside help or guides till i hit nuclear cus i needed help planning but now i use satis modeler

[exotic needle]

I think my problem is I was trying to add a station on an already existing line rather than changing the already existing line

[eternal raptor]

wait i forgot one thing, it can still deadlock cuz it is just that close to the roundabout, lemme draw another diagram

[exotic needle]

The junction would be on the other side of the train stations from the roundabout so it shouldnt be a problem, no?

[eternal raptor]

new image very important

[exotic needle]

Is there a difference in color b/w block/path signals or are they all block

[eternal raptor]

the reason why you would deadlock is due to the fact that the logic is correct, but the train may be longer than the distance between the intersections, so the train might make it through one intersection, and wait at the other, but the back of the train may be still in the intersection, but the train that this train is waiting on is waiting for that intersection to be clear, so both will be waiting for each other

[exotic needle]

all the trains are only one frieght car atm and I dont believe they will be increasing from that due to the throughput available around the area

[eternal raptor]

essentially what this does is that if a train is leaving the roundabout, the game checks to make sure it is able to pass through the next roundable as well, this way no train will be stuck in an intersections

[exotic needle]

Ill keep this in mind for bigger builds

[eternal raptor]

it is good practice to design train networks to be rebust

[exotic needle]

yeah understandable

[eternal raptor]

but this is exactly the reason why you dont build intersections close to each other, because you will have to do complecated signal chaining

[exotic needle]

I plan on having this line go to a central storage at some point so Itll be important. Whole reason Im building this line to begin with

[exotic needle]

make sense, thank you!

[eternal raptor]

but if you follow both diagrams then you will never have a deadlock ever again

[exotic needle]

Ill build that and send a ss

[eternal raptor]

oh yeah i forgot to respond to this, the path signal creates blocks in the same way a block signal does

[median geyser]

Is there a best "early game" item to feed into the awesome ticket maker?

[eternal raptor]

ai limiter

[fervent sand]

sam

[median geyser]

Currently im just endlessly pumping limestone into it because I have an extra node

Oh... both are much later than I am 😂 Alright, dont worry about tickets for now, gotcha

[fervent sand]

you can set up sam anytime if you have a node near you (provided you have the mam)

[eternal raptor]

if you want really really easy but not really that profitable, if you find a uranium node, you can place a miner on it (at a distance so you dont die) and can literally just sink the uranium ore itself

@median geyser https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/AWESOME_Sink#Farming_points

[eternal raptor]

same, it makes the game more fun imo

[lucid pagoda]

Agreed, I will say that it’s almost necessary late game, satis map, calculators, modeler is so useful

But early game should be done pure

[eternal raptor]

that station design is like human nature i swear, we all instinctively make it

[lucid pagoda]

It ignites a curiosity that you don’t get with guides

[median geyser]

How would you define pure? For example, I am making regular use of youtube guides for blueprints and the like to make conveyer busses that are effective instead of my region-spanning spaghetti

[eternal raptor]

also every guide often just tells you not to do stuff and not why

[lucid pagoda]

I’d say that YouTube can be ok, but having a guide for every step is bad, like, watching a guide about maximizing coal early game, fuel. Best alts. Just leave some of it to yourself, it’s way more rewarding

I’m doin nuclear without help on alts, I just did the calculations myself and I was happy when I found my chosen recipes

[median geyser]

Fair. Ive just been using it for the optimization side of things. Like I built pretty much everything at least once of my own, and then said "theres gotta be a much better way than this, this is huge and looks like shit"

[eternal raptor]

i think the only guide i have used in this game is guides for doing with fluid issues... for very obvious reasons 💀

dealing with fluids*

[exotic needle]

#screenshots Looking good?

[eternal raptor]

🤌

absolutely beautiful

[median geyser]

I just cant be assed spending a dozen hours condensing my setup for a RIP line, making it look clean and fit into a nice BP format, when I know 6 years ago someone already did the exact same process. Once Ive learned the process, albeit spread out, so that I understand my production lines, all bets are off

[lucid pagoda]

I will say guides for fuel can be real useful cus just knowing about diluted fuel and the fuel plastic and rubber conversion is a game changer

[eternal raptor]

i am just completely insane

[lucid pagoda]

Amen brother

[eternal raptor]

i accidently found those through the calculator

[exotic needle]

I appreciate the help! I saved the ss so I will be building every multi-station like this from here on out

[lucid pagoda]

That’s good, I hated re-doing my plastic and rubber production because it could be like 4x better

[exotic needle]

And just for future reference, block signals before and after stations is standard practice, yeah?

[eternal raptor]

not technically guides but had the same effect, i was like "oh sweet i didn't know that was a thing"

then i was sad cuz i didn't figure that out myself

[lucid pagoda]

I will say giving advice is weird sometimes because I don’t know standards, most of my systems are personal preference

[eternal raptor]

path on entries, blocks on exits

[lucid pagoda]

But it works sometimes, I’ve given some banger advice

[exotic needle]

Is orange path signals on the ss?

[eternal raptor]

except for the specific circumstance where you are chaining, but if you make sure your future intersections are further apart you dont need to worry about that

[eternal raptor]

red is path, orange is block

[exotic needle]

Alrighty

[eternal raptor]

same i always realise that i am the outlier when i give advice in this server

[lucid pagoda]

Like, call me crazy but imo the base turbofuel recipe is almost better than turbofuel blend

Once you have blenders I think that even a basic nuclear setup is easier than turbofuel blend or even rocket fuel

Exactly

[eternal raptor]

rocketfuel is just not worth it

[fervent sand]

*except for a small personal bit for jetpack

[lucid pagoda]

IKR I see people advocate for how much better RF is than nuclear and I don’t get it

[fluid sapphire]

Rf much easier

[lucid pagoda]

I’ve seen people swear that a rocket fuel plant is easier and better than nuclear

[eternal raptor]

i dont even bother with turbofuel

[lucid pagoda]

I think that if you’re only doing a small amount of nuclear it’s easier

[exotic needle]

Just to confirm, path on exits on the ss due to it being a junction, correct?

[eternal raptor]

only on that 1 long stretch is a path single

[lucid pagoda]

Nahh, for the amount of power I think nuclear is easier, if you’re getting to that stage in the game you need to be able to handle some manufacturers and blenders in a process

[eternal raptor]

signal*

all other exits should be blocks

[fluid sapphire]

Nuclear requires a lot of supporting infra, rocket fuel, in particular the nitro variant, requires literally none aside from piping a handful of raw resources

[lucid pagoda]

And with a few alts you can avoid fluids entirely for the uranium side of nuclear

[eternal raptor]

because that signal is acting as both an exit and an entry to verify if a train can move through both and not get stuck

[exotic needle]

I meant on the train stations

[eternal raptor]

i built a 150GW normal fuel powerplant

it is a lot easier to just make more fuel then it is to turn the fuel you already have into rocketfuel

[lucid pagoda]

That’s a fair point, but at that stage in the game isn’t a lack of infrastructure what begins to weed out the players that will struggle to make it further

[eternal raptor]

in my opinion at least

[eternal raptor]

the entry to the train station is the exit to an intersection, so use a block signal, the exit of the train station is an entry to another intersection, so use a path signal

[lucid pagoda]

I’m biased cus I hate refineries, they’re a pain but I’ve enjoyed nuclear processing

[exotic needle]

Makes sense

[eternal raptor]

i hate them but i need them 😔

[lucid pagoda]

Now a big downside to nuclear is that processing is quite expensive at times

Power wise, I’d eat my grid 2x with my chain, I have to kickstart it with some nuclear rods built up from a small production line

[eternal raptor]

i have a 1TWh battery 💀

[lucid pagoda]

My water extractors alone will use like 20k mw

[eternal raptor]

i should post a pic of it

[lucid pagoda]

GOD DAMN

[eternal raptor]

i call her big bertha

[lucid pagoda]

maybe I should do that, just battery like crazy before I hook everything up

[fluid sapphire]

Rf is so close to the end game that I would argue anyone that makes it there is well past the point of weeding out

[lucid pagoda]

Exactly, so the infrastructure to do nuclear should be in place making that issue lesser

[eternal raptor]

i just did it cuz 1TWh is a big number and it just acted like a break, if i was tired of doing my massives factories i would add more batteries

it is 10,000 batteries btw

[lucid pagoda]

That’s a good reason lowkey, when I get sick of production I just work on placing my nuclear plants and the extractors

[eternal raptor]

i call her big bertha

[lucid pagoda]

Now I have to do it cus all I have left is pressure conversion cubes

[median geyser]

If I completely unhook a power station from my grid, why would I still have 0.6MW consumption? Its a closed system with a single tie in, ive traced every line, theres no mistaken inputs or outputs. Just some biomass genes powering their own constructors to turn wood and leaves into solid biofuel.

Wood and leave lines are currently empty, as its been some time since I gathered any

[lucid pagoda]

The gods require sacrifice

[tough trellis]

I hope they do fix liquids, I have my power plant of 600 generators where I have counted out the numbers METICULOUSLY and some how, the liquids arent spreading to all of the machines

[eternal raptor]

i used all the iron in the rocky desert to make 140 HMF

[lucid pagoda]

Fully overflow it first and it may work

[tough trellis]

I did overflow it before I started the generators, everything was full

[median geyser]

I was starting to question if maybe the lights on poles and machines were starting to add up

[lucid pagoda]

I hate hmf, I did 5/m and decided I was done

[tough trellis]

I have all these machines on a manifold system

[eternal raptor]

that is why i decided to do them first cuz then i would never have to touch them again

[lucid pagoda]

Odd, maybe do that again but add some buffers every few gens, that’s worked for me in the past, or use an injection manifold kinda thing

[tough trellis]

I would if I Had extra resources in this area but I used them all :/

[lucid pagoda]

My next big plant is gon be 20 nuclear pasta/m for all future pasta needs

Mainly just singularity cells

[exotic needle]

All is connected and the signals are happy yippee

[lucid pagoda]

Oof, that sucks, I dunno what to say then

I think 600m^3 pipes lose some flow over time, one of many fluid issues

[eternal raptor]

also for the future, the fused modular frames are not bad at all once you have the HMF, i thought it would be hell but i was able to produce 120/min in a small building after importing the HMF

[lucid pagoda]

Yea, imma make like 5/m cus I don’t think fused frames are used for that much, late game im stickin to 5/m of most items

With the exception of belt or similar resources

[eternal raptor]

to produce the HMF i have 5 large buildings spread across the entire rocky desert to put that into perspective

[lucid pagoda]

That’s epic, I love builds like that

[eternal raptor]

not when it is HMF

[lucid pagoda]

I needa start decorating my builds again, I did it for a couple but stopped when it got big, I wanna make my pasta factory epic

[eternal raptor]

ALL I KNOW NOW ARE STEEL PIPES, SO SO MANY STEEL PIPES

AND ALL THOSE REFINERIES

[lucid pagoda]

Lmao, we love iron pipes

[exotic needle]

Whats a good amount of HMF/min?

[eternal raptor]

for my main base i just made 10/min, that is more than enough

[lucid pagoda]

5 is fine for storage but future builds use em

[eternal raptor]

but like 5 are used in making 5 fused frames

[lucid pagoda]

I generally just make more for my future lines, I only produce and distribute things like oil products

[eternal raptor]

so 5 surplus for depot

[exotic needle]

My current one is 10/min I was hoping that would be enough. I have completely iron/concrete HMF so it took a metric fuckload of iron just for 10

[eternal raptor]

yeah i make as much surplus as i think i need to cover higher tiers

[lucid pagoda]

Should be fine imo

[exotic needle]

Honestly not really that much but more than I wanted to spend on just 1 factory

[eternal raptor]

trust me 10/min is completely fine

[lucid pagoda]

That’s a good way to go about it, I do that for oil products and aluminum, might do it for ficsite, dunno yet

[exotic needle]

Sounds good Im glad I wont have to expand that

[eternal raptor]

it involved some preplanning that just consisted in "lets see what else needs it" "eh i can afford to make this much"

[hollow nova]

Heavy Modular Frame memes hit different once you've made the setup

[lucid pagoda]

Heavy modular fuckton of screws

[eternal raptor]

nah i dont deal with screws

i use the anti-screw recipe

[lucid pagoda]

I didn’t know it existed when I made my hmf factory

[fluid sapphire]

Injection manifolds for fluids will cause you nightmares, do not recommend, been around that block

[eternal raptor]

i can concur

unfortunately

[lucid pagoda]

I don’t mean injection, I just mean multiple manifolds, having some disconnect helps, like, a manifold of manifolds

My aluminum refused to work unless I injection manifold the alumina solution, it just doesn’t work without it, idk why

[eternal raptor]

putting buffers every few blueprints helps a lot

[exotic needle]

I produce exactly 0 screws

[fluid sapphire]

There's 2 things that help pipes: keep it simple, sometimes loop it, stay below 600

[eternal raptor]

pipes are terrible internal buffer problems

that belts dont have

[fluid sapphire]

I have dozens of km of pipes in my aluminum factory and it works fine

[eternal raptor]

i am kinda proud of my aluminum blueprints

they worked perfectly first try

no injection needed

[lucid pagoda]

I love my aluminum blueprints, I do aluminum in sets of 480 and it works perfect

[fallow lantern]

how do i add more custom color swatches on console? i managed to create one by accident but cant figure out how to do it again

[eternal raptor]

i do a 1:1 alumina solution:aluminum scrap blueprint

there are never any issues since each alumina machine only has to serve the machine next to it

[fluid sapphire]

I don't think you can, there is only one slot afaik

[exotic needle]

How do I make a roundabout look sexy

Thats gonna be a pain

[rigid glen]

Corner?

[fallow lantern]

maybe thats the one i thought i made then

[tough trellis]

put me in the middle

[exotic needle]

ahhhh

[rigid glen]

lol

[fluid sapphire]

Not me building processing for 4500 ingots by hand 💀

Actually that is a lie, I did use some BP to help

But a lot of manual labor

[eternal raptor]

my blueprint works in the same way as this #math-and-meta message

just instead of quickwire and ai limiters, it is alumina solution and scrap

[tough trellis]

I didnt even unlock blueprints until after I beat the game today xD

[exotic needle]

I love your drawings

[fluid sapphire]

Yikes

[eternal raptor]

i screenshot ms paint instead of actually saving it like a pro

[fluid sapphire]

It would have taken me 3 months instead of 3 weeks to build without blueprints

[exotic needle]

#screenshots message this one might take the cake on all time best drawings

[eternal raptor]

i tried to build a megafactory back before they added blueprints and quit because i got burnt out unsuprisingly

[fervent sand]

same

also didn't help that that was on my first save so I had a lot of random spaghetti from my factory

[eternal raptor]

there is a reason why half the player base were using mods, there was little to no QOL

[fickle tusk]

After a two or three month hiatus, I am proud to announce my biomass-only run has entered Phase 7.

[fervent sand]

#screenshots message

[eternal raptor]

i had my spagetti in the grass fields and wanted my megafactory to be in the desert, so i built a train line between the two to trainport all the building materials

cuz no dimensional depot as well

[fervent sand]

same

actually

[median geyser]

That looks... depressing similar to what I do, except with more advanced materials 😂 Any advice for converting from that to hubs and busses and such?

[eternal raptor]

fond memories that i dont regret but i am glad we live in a better time

[fervent sand]

let the spaghet grow until trains, and then make a good factory

[median geyser]

I actually just unlocked this, found a lucky sphere while out exploring. Is it worth hunting down more spheres to make one?

[eternal raptor]

i have changed my ways finally and this latest save, 0 spaget

only took me 4 100+ hour saves

[rigid glen]

ooooooor, starting building on floors and grids before you leave tier 2 🙂 and never do that ever

[fervent sand]

fair

[fervent sand]

ye I started over for this new world, with a few "enhancements" (advanced game rules)

[eternal raptor]

but throughout the entire time i have played i have always been a proud non-clipper

[kind jewel]

Any idea as to why my oil extractors keep pausing? I have 10x check head lift, amount produced vs amount used but it won't even back fill

[median geyser]

#screenshots message Instructions unclear, added more layers of conveyer instead of more floors

[fervent sand]

worst case add more pumps

[fervent sand]

that actually looks fine

[eternal raptor]

yeah like that looks fine

[fervent sand]

could be better ofc but it's a great start

[median geyser]

ive been debating hiding it all uder the floor since i got the elevator hole thingies

[rigid glen]

You have to check the whole chain, are any of the outgoing products being delayed or stopped?

[median geyser]

but cba with the rebuild

[kind jewel]

Just added 3 more pumps and seems to be running now but we will see for how long

[rigid glen]

This is fine, organized, on a grid etc

[fervent sand]

though I don't think you need to buffer your inputs at this point, esp. to such a degree

[exotic needle]

#screenshots message Lol

[eternal raptor]

damn nice

[exotic needle]

Im surprised I could even make it that uneven

[median geyser]

All those buffers were placed about 40h ago when i first built the iron lines to feed my Stage 1 supplies like screws and iron rods and such. At the time, I had not embraced the wisdom of matching input and output, I was just slamming buffers into every supply line, sometimes 4 or 5 along a line 😂

Im a hoarder in most video games, so satisfactory has been a big adjustment

The idea of infinite nodes still boggles my mind

[fervent sand]

can hoard sloops and spheres and slugs

huh I'm just noticing that they all begin with s. How have I never noticed that before?

[median geyser]

Arent those the super rare, limited per map, resources that give major upgrades?

[fervent sand]

ye pretty much

slugs would be the exception as you can automate what they give you later (and also get slugs through doggos)

[median geyser]

Hmm, Ill consider it. Especially slugs if I can make power cells other ways later.

How does the dimensional storage work? Im about to start Stage 3, so I dont think I really need one yet, assuming it works how I think it does, but it sounds neat and has me very curious

[rigid glen]

You want and need it, it changes the game

[fervent sand]

you input items into it, and it allows you to download items from the cloud when you build

[median geyser]

oh. whale then

So Id need a bunch of them to have my supply lines feeding into?

[rigid glen]

It will take time to show it's true colours, but it's a very handy system

the only items you'll need multiple input nodes are for concrete and maybe some of the basic iron parts like plates etc

[fervent sand]

pretty much ye

[median geyser]

Is there a way to scan for the spheres?

[exotic needle]

Didnt even think of having multiple inputs

[fervent sand]

object scanner

[median geyser]

is that the thing i use to find ore n such?

[fervent sand]

no

[median geyser]

ooooh that thing

so if i set it to sphere and then just take off in my buggy, will it ding if im near one? Or do I need to be actively holding it?>

[fervent sand]

you need to actively be holding it

ngl I did most of my exploring without a vehicle, just use blade runners and call it a day

[rigid glen]

It's a proximity scanner, it will show you a direction by showing a stronger s8gnal, you need to watch it while you wander

[cosmic pawn]

Is there any other way to get alt recipes besides the thingys from the crashed ships. Forgot the name of them

[fervent sand]

nope

[median geyser]

right. well, once I get stage 2 finished off (44 more steel beams 🙏 ) I can go wander around for a bit ig, gonna give my production lines some time to recoupe on their stock 😂

[rigid glen]

This is the way 🙂

[cosmic pawn]

Well i hope i get some good alt recipes from them

[fervent sand]

remember that you can rescan

[rigid glen]

There are enough hard drives to open all the recipes, good and bad 🙂

[stray wagon]

Ok so I’m setting up pipes to my fuel generators I got 8 set up with 6 refineries making fuel and polymer resin but for some reason they aren’t all getting full fuel even tho all of the pipes are split evenly

[fervent sand]

ye but is he at the point where he can explore the map?

[stray wagon]

Do pipes work differently than conveyors when splitting loads

[exotic needle]

Is 100 steel beams/min enough steel beams p/min

[rigid glen]

Are your refineries making regular fuel?

[stray wagon]

Yeah making 4m^3 fuel and 3 polymer resin

So it’s 240 total fuel split into 160 fuel needed

I did extra cause it wasn’t working before but now it’s still not working

[rigid glen]

The math is off then, 300 fuel goes into 5 refineries, which will feed 10 fuel gens

[fervent sand]

though since there's an overproduction and it's not working... do you need to add pumps?

[stray wagon]

Maybe I added a bunch of pumps but ig I could add more

[rigid glen]

But to answer your question, no, pipes don't work just like belts, if you use a manifold system, the units at the ends of each line can struggle

[exotic needle]

Can you ss the build?

[stray wagon]

It’s really messy idk if you’ll be able to tell what’s going on

[fervent sand]

don't worry

[median geyser]

While waiting for said steel beams, any recommendations for what to spend my 10 ficsit tickets on at the awesomeshop? I have the conveyor mounts/holes, pipes and hypertubes too. labels and signs ✅ , ladders, and catwalks

[fervent sand]

we're used to the spaghet

[fervent sand]

beams and concrete foundations

[exotic needle]

I need mk5 belts so bad Im bout to awesome shop that shit

[stray wagon]

Let me add more pumps if that doesn’t work I’ll send a ss

[median geyser]

From the architecture section?

[fervent sand]

yes

concrete is in a different section iirc

[rigid glen]

it's mostly cosmetic after that poiont, so open up stuff as you want it

[exotic needle]

Good thing I have 57 coupons

[fervent sand]

should be in a section with asphalt, coated concrete, and coated asphalt

[exotic needle]

Its in the customizer section

[median geyser]

Oh I dont have anything with asphalt yet

oooh nvm

[exotic needle]

mk5 aquired

[stray wagon]

Yeah it was the pumps the math was right but the pumps were not pushing the fuel to get it over the pipes I built

[median geyser]

Stage 3 has begun 🙏 Now to get a jetpack, a dimensional storage unit, and then build a proper factory.

Any suggestions for cool places? I started in plains, i think? the recommended starter area

[fervent sand]

the abyss cliffs

[median geyser]

The whatnow?

[fervent sand]

#screenshots message

[exotic needle]

I need mk6 belts

[fervent sand]

though something like the land of the wiffleballs is easier to build, and can look cool

actually you can make anything look cool

[exotic needle]

#screenshots message Why would I want that

Guess Ill do 85 steel pipes/min instead of 100 🙄

[median geyser]

Oh the backpack has really limited flight time, and no hover... damn

So I guess all the people Ive seen flying around placing blueprints on youtube were in creative or smth?

[fervent sand]

hoverpack

[median geyser]

o

[exotic needle]

jetpack is still solid for exploring

[median geyser]

#screenshots message This is my current location/what ive explored a bit of. Any "suggested" directions? 😂

[fervent sand]

if they're holding this in their hands then that's the hoverpack #screenshots message

[median geyser]

Why do our maps look so different?

[exotic needle]

#screenshots message Over here there is 8 Iron nodes next to each other and some decent room for building

[exotic needle]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map#5.5;-50024;266080|realisticLayer|

[fervent sand]

I'm using SCIM

[median geyser]

ooooh

[exotic needle]

Has all hard drive, power slug, mercer sphere, sloop, and node locations

[median geyser]

is node purity rng?

[exotic needle]

Satisfactory map is handmade and consistent

Everyone has the same access to everything. Its all on the map

[fervent sand]

this is a good place for aluminuminum: #screenshots message

[exotic needle]

Im about to start aluminuminum production In the desert after this steel factory (logistical nightmare), recommended spots out here?

[mortal ginkgo]

No.

[eternal raptor]

bro was made for that question

[fervent sand]

there's nothing there for aluminum... #screenshots message

no bauxite

[exotic needle]

Superb

[eternal raptor]

you need a lot of water

would not recommend desert

[fervent sand]

nitrogen gas is there but super out of the way

[exotic needle]

alt recipies for aluminum

Why did I say half my sentence

I play on using the alts for aluminum and I need a lot of water as well, guess I will be building a long ass train

[eternal raptor]

make sure you use sloppy alumina

[exotic needle]

Thats the plan

[fervent sand]

honestly I might build like a stepped terrace around this cliff: #screenshots message

for desert aluminum

[exotic needle]

Ill probably end up building a train ramped curve which will suck very much

End up running water extractors down the river. Should work out

[eternal raptor]

be carful with freight weight when you are doing slopes

i almost screwed myself several times cuz it would be fine when the freight was empty but as soon as it was full it wouldn't be able to climb

[exotic needle]

Ill prob use 2 locomotives for half max freight length

[eternal raptor]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Freight_Car#Weight

[exotic needle]

I dont really need multiple freight cars

[fervent sand]

I'm planning my main base and aluminuminum factory in the titan forest, how does that shound? I rarely see bases in the titan forest

[fervent sand]

you really do

[exotic needle]

I didnt realize I could use the double ramps for a 4m incline

[eternal raptor]

i personally only use 1 engine and make sure i stick to the weight guide

[eternal raptor]

trains can't go up 4m include ramps

[exotic needle]

I mean I wont really be producing enough to warrant several freight cars?

[eternal raptor]

incline*

[eternal raptor]

HOW LITTLE DO YOU MAKE

[exotic needle]

I figured as much but the weight guide has the 8m double ramps on it

[exotic needle]

I just keep lines simple and have multiple trains

[eternal raptor]

you can go up a 4m inclines but that is only when doing free hand rails and not on the 4m incline ramps

[exotic needle]

I have 4 normal and 2 pure coal nodes all overclocked transported by trains with 1 freight car lol

No traffic issues

[eternal raptor]

what miner mk

[exotic needle]

2

[eternal raptor]

where are they getting transported to and from?

[exotic needle]

Close

[eternal raptor]

how close

[exotic needle]

From node to steel factory (in progress) to coal power plant

[eternal raptor]

if they are that close then why a train?

[exotic needle]

Setting up a logistics network for later

#screenshots message That close

[eternal raptor]

you can have multiple logistic networks

[exotic needle]

Because I hate belt lines they are ugly and I originally had trucks transporting coal which was a PAIN

[median geyser]

If I destroy my dimensional storage input, move it somewhere else, and continue uploading other items, are the items already in storage preserved?

[eternal raptor]

WHAT

I JUST SAW THE SCREENSHOT

[exotic needle]

lol

are you impressed

[eternal raptor]

i am scared of you

[exotic needle]

You should be

Listen man I want to use TRAINS

[eternal raptor]

you built train infrastructure to transport something so close

[exotic needle]

I want EVERYTHING to be a network of trains

[eternal raptor]

the commitment to trains is kinda impressive

[exotic needle]

Realistically I want the line set up and going to every factory so I can havea central storage

[eternal raptor]

that completely explains why you only need 1 freight car

[upbeat jacinth]

It’s an uploader, its whereabouts are not associated with the storage itself

[exotic needle]

And I know Im going to be bringing out outside materials from very far away modular factories so I figured I might as well start connecting

and learning how path and block nodes worked because JESUS I had that all fucked up

[eternal raptor]

that also explains why you had your intersections so close together

[exotic needle]

I mean would you use a belt line for that?

[eternal raptor]

yes

every single person in the server would

there are some distances where there is debate but that is REALLY close

[exotic needle]

I will reduce spaghetti to the absolute limit

Also...

[fervent sand]

oh no

[exotic needle]

Since the network reaches the coal plant which has most of the water available to me my pipes go under the rails and boom I dont have pipe spaghetti either

[fervent sand]

that's fine

[eternal raptor]

you need to realise that you are in the process of making a spagetti rail network like i have never seen

[exotic needle]

Yes I am noticing that now

In fact I believe I have already done that

The rails are not as sexy as I want them to be

[eternal raptor]

it still looks sexy imo

[median geyser]

Are their limits to how much I can store in the dimensional depot?

[fervent sand]

yes

[eternal raptor]

rails just always look nice

[eternal raptor]

1-5 stacks, dependant on upgrades from the mam research tree

per item that is

[median geyser]

Oh... so no infinite assembly lines feeding into it to build giant conveyor lines

[exotic needle]

#screenshots message This was all built today so there is still a lot of design work to do

I have a separate train going to oil plant

[eternal raptor]

nah you want to only feed the exact same parts into the same depot, otherwise if you try and merge in different parts it will clog

[hard ivy]

I wanted to supply my entire nuclear plant with trains but then I saw "300 000 m³ of water per minute" and immediately decided against it lmao

[exotic needle]

I have a story

[eternal raptor]

you were planning on FLUID FREIGHTS???? FOR WATER????

[exotic needle]

I learned the repercussions of using max throughput of a conveyer belt with trains the very hard way

[eternal raptor]

i build all my water hungry factories directly over a water source so that i can pipe the water from literally directly below

[hard ivy]

No, I wanted to package it. But it still would require 170 platforms

[eternal raptor]

that is still completely insane

[median geyser]

So lets say my dimensional storage has 3 stacks, and I start feeding it RIPs from a conveyor line. When the first stack caps out, wont it just overflow and fill all 3?

[hard ivy]

Which is why I immediately noped out XD

[eternal raptor]

the depot caps on a per unique item basis

[median geyser]

aaah

[exotic needle]

I did not realize the train docking stopped conveyers.... So I built a packager facility making packaged water that would bring water to the diluted fuel/heavy oil residue alt recipe factory to be used and then the train would transport the empty canisters and polymer resin back to the packager plant where they would be used

This was my worst idea in satisfactory

[hard ivy]

Fortunately, I made my train calculator before trying that, so I know what they're capable of

[exotic needle]

Because of the docking the manifolds never filled at the refineries or either packager plant and I had a very very staggering power system

[hard ivy]

Ok, yeah, that is one of the worst possible ways to do diluted packaged fuel.

[eternal raptor]

if you for example try to put 6 stacks of wire into a depot, then try and merge in 1 stack of iron rods, even though there is space for iron rods in the depot, since there is only space for 5 stacks of wire, there will be a stack of wire clogging the input of the depot, not allowing anything behind it in

[exotic needle]

How did I fix this? You guessed it. I continued to use the train because trains are sexy and now I transport water in fliud for to be packaged at the oil plant and unpackaged

Im honestly surprised after learning a few things that the power system works without issue

[eternal raptor]

so you want seperate depots for seperate items

[eternal raptor]

trains use barely any power

[exotic needle]

Saying this I realized I never connected my coal power train station to the conveyers and everything is red over there

[eternal raptor]

only a max of like 100MW per engine or something like that

[exotic needle]

I meant Im transporting fluids

with no issue

[eternal raptor]

YOU ARE WHAT????

[exotic needle]

WITH NO ISSUE

[eternal raptor]

you are genuinely mad

[exotic needle]

Again, Im surprised its working without issue. WITHOUT ISSUE

[median geyser]

YET

[eternal raptor]

i wish you the best of luck in your future endeavours

[exotic needle]

Well a man has learned a couple things about trains after trying to use them for fuckin everything

[eternal raptor]

because the future will not be very kind to you

[fervent sand]

same

[exotic needle]

I will eventually make a megafactory using nothing but trains

[fervent sand]

future you will curse the day you decided to inflict such things upon him, in your ignorance

[eternal raptor]

honestly i love this kinda play style, you will legitimately learn a lot about logistics and infrastructure from this experience

[exotic needle]

Figured out why coal generators are down... Theres concrete in the train station

[exotic needle]

I am a logistical genius at this point compared to what I was doing without the use of trains

[fervent sand]

learning what not to do, mainly

[fallow lantern]

is there a button to mirror the hypertube branch to make it go the other way on console?

[exotic needle]

My goal is no conveyer belts aside from inside factories and from nodes to train stations

[exotic needle]

Yeah this is super common lately

[eternal raptor]

you must still be in the train network honeymoon phase

[exotic needle]

this is a possiblity

Honestly instead of removing all of this concrete from my coal plants belts I might just get rid of it

[median geyser]

Slap an enterance on both ends and you can travel in both directions using a single tube

[eternal raptor]

im never using the new hypertube stuff

too used to the old ways

[median geyser]

Are they new? They seem neat

[eternal raptor]

the junctions are new

[median geyser]

ah

[steel kelp]

Particle accelerators are so power hungry oh my god

[fallow lantern]

im trying to make one of those particle accelerator cannons so i only need to go one way

[median geyser]

oooh

[eternal raptor]

you can aparently make a different style of hypertube cannon with the junctions

but ill stick with ol reliable

[fallow lantern]

i just need it to make a loop and i cant figure out how to mirror the junctions to make a loop

[steel kelp]

I hadnt used more then 12k all the way through the game, finished my nuclear pasta factory (3 per min) and im using 22k lmao

[eternal raptor]

yeah the only things i am not overclocking to 250% are those, quantum encoders, and MAYBE converters but i will probably overclock those cuz i need to place like 400 if i dont

[steel kelp]

Its crazy man

3 nuclear pasta will be enough for me for a while at least

[exotic needle]

#screenshots message The diluted fuel plant in question

[steel kelp]

But phase 5 is gonna be nuts power wise i assume

[exotic needle]

This is a resonable use of trains imo

[eternal raptor]

if you want to beat the game, you really dont need much, but if you want more then yeah it adds up

but when in doubt place another alien power augmenter

[steel kelp]

I’m still not even using half of my power production

And im only using turbo fuel lmao

[eternal raptor]

im still only using regular fuel

💀

[median geyser]

IS there a limit to how many unique items I can put into the dimensional storage?

[exotic needle]

no

[median geyser]

oh my god

[exotic needle]

yep

[median geyser]

This is heaven

[eternal raptor]

max 5 stack of EACH item

very nice

[median geyser]

When Best said "limit of 5", I thought he meant 5 unique item types

My brothers in belts, we are fucking gaming

[exotic needle]

Get the inventory uploader in the MAM

[median geyser]

already did

[eternal raptor]

there is a reason why the depot is such a game changer

[exotic needle]

I put EVERYTHING in there. Got my ficsit tickets, mercer spheres, power shards, etc. Never have to go back to any factory for anything

[eternal raptor]

before the depot the inventory expansion mod used to be used by a lot of people

[hard ivy]

Better than turbo tbh

[eternal raptor]

why bother with adding complexity when i have 2550 crude oil to use in the blue crater

[median geyser]

Okay but now im back to needing 1 sphere per unique item to feed into the depots 😂 Or is there a neat conveyer logic trick for that?

[eternal raptor]

nope

not if you want it to automatically resupply

[hard ivy]

No conveyor magic is gonna help you with feeding sushi into something with no output

But also, there's 300 spheres and you only need 100 for upgrades

[exotic needle]

2550 holy shit

Im sitting at 360

[eternal raptor]

from memory i think i use 24 depots just for concrete

[eternal raptor]

the blue crater has 2550 available crude oil

[hard ivy]

Dayum I thought my 12 was a lot lmao

[median geyser]

Why so many on a single item type?

[eternal raptor]

enough to make >150GW of power with 300 crude still left over, using only diluted fuel

[exotic needle]

If I overclocked Id be at 900 which is worth 30000 MW

[hard ivy]

Faster upload speed. At max upgrade, it's 240/min per uploader. If you want more, you need more uploaders

[median geyser]

Aaah

[eternal raptor]

i had 12 but it was too slow, 24 is only just enough for me

[median geyser]

How the fuck

are you guys using 25x240/min?

[exotic needle]

You will not catch me grabbing all those mercer spheres

too busy building trains

[hard ivy]

Considering 1 foundation BP takes 180, absolutely.

[eternal raptor]

i have collected all spheres and sloops and harddrives but not all slugs cuz why would i when i got the synthetic shards

[median geyser]

Are there more advance foundations besides the base ones im using now?

[exotic needle]

thats genuinely insane

[eternal raptor]

yeah i know i have said i am insane

[exotic needle]

I can make my spaghetti trains if you can harvest every single collectable on the map

[hard ivy]

There are different styles, but no, they aren't "more advanced"

[median geyser]

Its not the spaghetti, its the fluids

[eternal raptor]

i also did about 80% of it with nothing except shatter rebar

that is the insane part

[exotic needle]

All the hard drives and mercer spheres I have collected have used basically no weapons

Just the jetpack and a quick escape

[hard ivy]

The insane part would be doing all that without SCIM's map