satisfactory

[fervent dust]

nah, fuel to turbofuel

[stable prairie]

Yeah, you're ahead of me

[fervent dust]

lol damn

[clear spade]

if my math right 1 tear 1 miner can feed max of 2 tear 1 semters right?

[urban hatch]

Did they patch the long lift bug with floor holes recently

[forest mirage]

Guys alternate caterium wire or cheap silica alternate blueprint? What's more useful late game?

Copper wires seem easy now so im leaning towards the cheap silica but not sure how much of a pain wire is later?

[fervent dust]

depends on the purity of the ore, no?

[dense violet]

both are very flexible. Depends what other recipes you use

[clear spade]

oh

[fervent dust]

imo i think you should focus on things that are immediate to you. you'd be worrying about tech or projects you don't even have access to that way.

[dense violet]

to be fair, whenever you ask about recipe choice, that's pretty much always going to be your answer.

there's so many recipe options, combinations and locations on the map, that it's impossible to know which will be most useful to you without travelling back from the future where you know what youre building and planning

Get all the recipes, have all the options

[forest mirage]

Yeah i figured both could be valuable if used correctly. Sometimes when I google it the internet will have a firm opinion on the better option.. this one said what you guys said lol

[dim cradle]

Except diluted fuel and a few others >_>

[fervent dust]

there's also multiple hard drives, so you always have the chance to get a second recipe later. :3

[plain gate]

late game you should have all the drop pods already

[dense violet]

I really wouldn't trust google for those opinions.

Recipes basically fall into 2 main cattegories
Generalist and Specialist.

Caterium Wire and Cheap Silica are pretty generalist. You can replace copper with caterium, which could be useful if you need the copper for other things, or just want to simplify your production.

Cheap silica is a great option if you need a lot of silica.

But depending on what you're doing enither could be good

[oblique gate]

Built my FIRST ||COAL POWERED|| GENERATOR! 🤘

[dim cradle]

I'm going to say that diluted fuel aside, you for instance might not think of some things as having high opportunity costs, like limestone, but limestone I've found to actually be a bigger bottleneck than one might think sometimes.

[oblique gate]

Decided it wasn't enough, so built a second one 😂

[plain gate]

the internet specifically reddit is full of people who don't really know what they're talking about

[dense violet]

Specialist recipes tend to be later tier items, super computer ect. They tend to do a trade of resource type that can be good or terible for your situation

and both types of recipes can heavily rely on the other recipes you choose

[dim cradle]

Like I've found Limestone to be a surprisingly big pain in the neck for some reason

On the other hand, quartz, if you don't use it for aluminum, I've found that I always had a huge surplus of it.

[plain gate]

quartz is indeed used very little in weighted resource specific playthroughs

[fervent dust]

quartz is indeed pink.

[plain gate]

but the location of quartz isn't very conductive to being uysed for alunimu

[fervent dust]

that's my contribution to this conversation

[dense violet]

oh you could make everything in the game with only a few drops of crystal and I think no silica , if you wanted

Or use every crystal/silica recipe in the game and use every drop

[dim cradle]

btw:
Sloppy Alumina + Aluminum Scrap + Pure Aluminum Ingot

Someone else give this a shot for aluminum and tell me what you think.

I really liked it.

[plain gate]

that's already the standard

[dim cradle]

That's not the default recipe no, and a lot of people don't use it afaik?

[plain gate]

the one that people who have more than two braincells to rub together use usually yeah

broadly speaking no

[dense violet]

often electrode scrap. It outputs a bit more scrap per unit of solution

[dusty harbor]

how do i give a railway 2 places to go?

didnt mean to reply, mb

[plain gate]

oh you mean non electrode scrap?

[dense violet]

set the time table to the stops you want 🙂

[plain gate]

most people use the electrode version

[dim cradle]

Yeah I didn't wanna deal with all of the other requirements of the electrode one

Simple and clean

[plain gate]

it isn't too bad you can max out map bauxite with one sloop on the pressure well in red forest

[dusty harbor]

i mean like giving 1 line the option of going either left or right. like a fork in the rail

[plain gate]

making a branch?

[dusty harbor]

this

[dim cradle]

The recipe I listed is only 0.9 per bauxite but it's very simple in terms of setting it up which is why I like it a lot.

[abstract heron]

Atm i am thinking how my copper and iron how that i want to make it go

[plain gate]

make a straight rail, draw one going to the left and one going to the right

[dim cradle]

Swimming in aluminum anyway tbh

[plain gate]

don't think too much iron is an infinite resource

optimize for copper

[abstract heron]

i mean like how will look etc etc

[dense violet]

are you building yoru rail now? or working with a system you've alreaday built?

[dim cradle]

Well the question is why you're asking this. What part of it are you having trouble with? If you're making a train with engines on both ends that you want to go back and forth, make sure your stations are oriented properly. It's deceptively easy to screw that up

Oh you mean sections and multiple trains per track

[dusty harbor]

i'm going for a loop between one of my 2 stations. i like to have them all seperated (for now at least) for ease

idrk how to explain it... its sorta hard to do so in a way that makes it easy to visualize

[dim cradle]

If it's just two stations, make a double engine train that goes back and forth, it's more efficient

you don't need splits

[dusty harbor]

alright! how should my statiosn be oriented though?

[plain gate]

unless this is the onlly railway you'll ever use heavily recommend 2-way rail...

[dim cradle]

#screenshots message Arc outwards on each end

[plain gate]

what the hell is that train station 💀 💀

[dim cradle]

Honestly I don't even use half of it but you know why not

[tough trellis]

my brain hurts and I dont wanna do this math, are instant plutonium cells more efficient on non fissile uranium than plutonium pellets?

[dense violet]

efficient in what way?

[tough trellis]

I literally just said 'efficient on non fissile uranium'

[quartz kelp]

i didnt know there was a merch store

[dense violet]

well going pellets you use 100 for 15 cells
instant is 150 for 20

[quartz kelp]

im about to make a bad financial decision

[dense violet]

but you can'at really look at only that way
since pellets use more waste

[dense violet]

loop up reviews on quality of items first. A lot of them don't get a pass from me

[plain gate]

are u optimizing for recycling or pu power

i believe it is a mix for recycling

the math will make you throw up

[tough trellis]

im planning to use every bit of waste in other reactors

it IS making me throw up xD

[quartz kelp]

hmm okie ty

[plain gate]

so do you want to recycle most efficiently or do you want to make the most power out of recycled plutonium

[tough trellis]

I want to make the most power I can ideally

[dense violet]

got into satisfactory tools and try different recipe combos
it's not clear cut because waste usage in different steps is important if you're trying to get more p rods

[tough trellis]

do we need any nuclear byproducts for other things in the game?

[dense violet]

nope.

[tough trellis]

ah so its all just simply used for power

[dense violet]

Most people will probalby just sink the P rods. Or use them in vehicles

[tough trellis]

thats so much power down the drain tho ;-;

[dense violet]

...I still get the impression they don't end up in power even after being recycled

[dense violet]

that you almsot certainly don't need?

full uranium rods, no sloops is 630gw

[dim cradle]

I wonder if anyone's died from just randomly encountering natural uranium in the wild...

Aside from pioneers anyway

I just did phase 5 with like a 24-26GW power budget yeah you don't really need that much unless you're going gigafactory lol

[tough trellis]

I eman I have 12 nuclear reactors now but Im on phase 5 so I do wanna make as much power as possible

[dense violet]

up to you, I'd just make more uranium rods at that point

[plain gate]

it's IPC

[dense violet]

even if you use the least uranium efficient recipes you can get 300+ gw from u rods

[dim cradle]

Granted I will say it got a bit tight #screenshots message

[plain gate]

if u make big power u likely also have giant floors of 250% refieneries

250% refineries chug power like nothing else

[dim cradle]

Nothing compared to phase 5 buildings though

sloop and OC a converter or specially that one other really long one to 250%, and it's so many bloody watts

Refineries aren't that bad tbh...

[clear spade]

shuld i just put all my copper ingots in to wires rn?

[dim cradle]

If you're just starting, sure. You'll want another line for copper sheets, but you can probably just grab another copper source for it

Or split it off since both use the same thing.

[clear spade]

K

[grizzled orchid]

If anything cables or run a splitter for wires / cables / sheets

[dim cradle]

You probably want to turn half or so of that copper wire into cable, too yeah

Maybe more, cable is used a bloody lot.

[wicked nacelle]

eventually copper sheets are the thing you really have to use copper for -- and copper powder. everything else you can substitute out other stuff. look for pure iron ingot, pure copper ingot, iron wire, steamed copper sheets -- that's mostly just "make stuff better by adding water" and then wire out of iron

it's crazy how many copper sheets you can end up needing

[dim cradle]

Yeah I started using steamed sheets, and I do use pure ingots, but the refinery footprint is pretty annoying

If you do start using Pure <insert ingot here> I recommend just OCing every refinery to 250% to save yourself trouble.

[wicked nacelle]

I have a blueprint for 4 refineries that autoconnect -- but I also do overclock because why not

[dim cradle]

I was only able to fit a 3 manifold into a mk1 blueprint so I haven't bothered fiddling with it

[wicked nacelle]

yeah I think I did it with mk2 or mk3

[dim cradle]

I also made a vertical manifold for refineries, and that was about as dumb as it sounded when I got up to 9 floors without overclocking.

[clear spade]

and what about iron ingots?

[wicked nacelle]

what about them?

[dim cradle]

Actually I have a pic of that, too #screenshots message

My dumb Pure Caterium tower...

[crimson lantern]

Finally finished setting up a sulfur mine, time for bed.

[wicked nacelle]

it's actually dumb the alts around copper ingot -- the best one is the one that just takes water. the one that takes sulfuric acid is worse

[grizzled orchid]

Divide in to rods /plates / and I swear there is a third item early on but maybe not

[crimson lantern]

Goodnight

[tough trellis]

screw demand enters the chat

[dim cradle]

This is before my entire factory became pasta obviously, in its infancy

[clear spade]

should i have more iron rods then plates?

for screws

[wicked nacelle]

just produce lots of both and let the manifolds deal with what the actual demand is

[grizzled orchid]

Depends , rods get used for screws as well so probably not bad to start rod heavy for that reason.

[karmic elm]

i'm almost done with my heavy modular frames factory

[clear spade]

manifolds?

[wicked nacelle]

oversubscribe your iron production with constructors for both. if you overproduce one, it will block sending more ingots to the other line -- it balances itself

[dim cradle]

Just make more as you need it. You'll probably always need the previous tier of a good for something, so you might as well just set up a separate line for each separate thing you need.

But for screws specifically, if you choose to use them (and blasphem in the eyes of many people on here apparently), you can use Steel Screws it's pretty convenient.

[wicked nacelle]

it's not the alt that makes screws fine -- it's making them near the machines taht use them. don't try to make a screw factory. thats the mistake people make. just put some screw constructors right near a few machines that use them. then repeat

though cast screws obviously decreases the footprint drastically.

[dim cradle]

I like Stitched more anyway tbh

[wicked nacelle]

that's fine you still send in iron ingots and make the wire as you use it.

[dim cradle]

but yeah I needed some screws and realized "I'm making like 90-100 steel beams per min and hardly using them anyway" throws 10/min into screws

[wicked nacelle]

that's the best way to approach all the high-need parts where you overload belts easily

[dim cradle]

Just 2 constructors completely covered my entire screw need basically forever in that area

[wicked nacelle]

you can make a blueprint that just takes iron ingots in and spits out basically whatever you want and then just tile that blueprint

[dim cradle]

Could have even halved the cost if I put a sloop into them

[wicked nacelle]

in terms of reinforced plates/frames

[fervent garden]

I have 5 or 6 storage containers of copper ingots

[wicked nacelle]

you'd almost certainly be better using a sloop downstream of that and multiplying a LOT of upstream stuff

[dim cradle]

Oh yeah of course, I only really ended up slooping stuff like pasta and BWDs

[dim cradle]

It's not about containers, at least outside of maybe some low yield parts, it's about rates.

[wicked nacelle]

buffers (like containers full of stuff) often hide problems -- you odn't realize you're overconsuming until you've moved on to other stuff and then you come back an hour later and nothign is working right

minimizing buffers makes stuff break quickly

[plain gate]

slooping rsam is a prettu good idea too

[dim cradle]

I do actually like making big buffers, often with a dimensional storage on top, because I can't predict how much stuff I'll build. It helps deal with short expenditures. But you need to balance input and output.

[plain gate]

its so cancerous to transport

[wicked nacelle]

it's fine to have buffers outside your production chain, of course. but buffers that feed into machines hide problems

[wicked nacelle]

huh?

[dim cradle]

Just make an overflow splitter into it, makes it easy to not mess up

[plain gate]

they all come in single impure normal nodes which makes getting a useful of them a pita because of drone then fuel then whatnot logistics

[dim cradle]

rsam?

you mean SAM? There's a few pure SAM nodes...

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, sam isn't a significant problem but it is a good use of sloops for sure since normally the first thing that happens is you cut it 4:1

[dim cradle]

Yeah I slooped 2 fully OC'd constructors and it sure spit out coupons early game

Then later you sloop the BWD constructors lol

[plain gate]

reanimated sam

[plain gate]

not a lot of them

[dim cradle]

it's pretty forgiving how they made it so BWDs were made in a manufacturer

makes it cheap to sloop power wise

[wicked nacelle]

there's actually a lot of sam in the game for doing everythign except ficsonium ingots -- ficsonium is a punishment

[dim cradle]

tbf power isn't a big issue unless you're limiting yourself like I did.

[plain gate]

yes but its not convenient to get ahold of a lot of it at once

[dim cradle]

what's tough about ficsonium ingots?

[wicked nacelle]

by the tiem you're there you have trains and drones and should be pretty good at using them

[wicked nacelle]

the amount of sam needed

[dim cradle]

I just threw aluminum in there and I was making them pretty quick...

[wicked nacelle]

scaling ficsonium cranks up sam requirements beyond map supply

[plain gate]

oh if i had a ingame slave to run drones i would lol but its just so bothersome i dont bother personally

[fervent garden]

@dim cradle I may have stockpiled a lil too much whilst sleeping #screenshots

[hidden spruce]

Drones run themselves.

[dim cradle]

I actually kinda don't get it, I was making the triangles absurdly fast, esp since you can just sloop OC'd constructors.

[fervent garden]

I was sleeping and thought 7 containers for copper was enough. NOPE ALL OF THEM ARE FULL.

[dim cradle]

it's super cheap. Maybe because I used aluminum and/or don't understand the scale of how much is needed.

[dense violet]

storing ores and ingots is fairly useless :\

[dim cradle]

the time crystals are another thing tho

[fervent garden]

I was asleep.

[dim cradle]

those were expensive on an energy budget.

[wicked nacelle]

yes, coal is actually the limiting resource in the game

for maximizing points

[dim cradle]

all of the machines that make them are expensive to sloop energy wise

I could only do 30/min

[wicked nacelle]

that's not the problem. The problem is you run out of coal to make diamonds. Maximized points build uses converters to make more coal.

[fervent garden]

Is coal good power for long term

Am I gonna need to put it far cause ima need a large power grid

[summer fern]

Not long term if you mean the whole game

For a while it's pretty good though

[fervent garden]

Just for a couple phases

[grizzled orchid]

Like one phase really

[hidden spruce]

Coal power is great for about 30 minutes.

[summer fern]

It'll take you until you reach gas power easily

After that not so much

[fervent garden]

What phase is that

[dim cradle]

Oh I'm sure it's not a major problem to a normal player, but on my budget it sure as heck was a problem.

When you got 24-26GW to go around, slooping one of those things can eat up like 20% of it

[summer fern]

Phase 3 if I remember correctly

[grizzled orchid]

Yeah oil is phase 3

[dim cradle]

People love oil power so might as well learn to love it too

[summer fern]

tbf it's significantly better than coal

I think I had 24 coal gens by the time I switched over to mainly oil power

[dim cradle]

stares at my dinky geo and sloop power budget

At least the exploring was fun...

[summer fern]

nuclear power time

[dim cradle]

my consumption was basically oscillating all around my production in phase 5 lol, had to use batteries

[grizzled orchid]

I liked skipping coal this time and just using alien generators till I got oil

[dim cradle]

Must have used a looooot of bio though

Just how much blood was spilled

[clear spade]

what is orb?

[dense violet]

a 3d circle

[autumn ravine]

Does cross play work currently?

[shut scarab]

just nuked myself past the death barriers

[autumn ravine]

👍

[grizzled orchid]

I was harddrive/artifact hunting so I'm just gonna say a lot, don't feel bad about the spiders though

[dense violet]

!consolerelease

[raven axle]

Console Release FAQ

The Console Version was released on: <t:1762261200:F> - Thats <t:1762261200:R>
-# The above time shows in your local time.
XBox Store Link / PlayStation Store Link
More information will be found in #announcements

Will it allow crossplay? -> Between consoles: yes, between PC and console: no.
Can we download ahead of time? -> No.
What about Keyboard / Mouse support on consoles? -> This is not added at launch, but is work in progress and will be added in the future (no ETA available)
Is the game available via Gamepass? -> No

[dense violet]

there's currently various bugs on console though so you'll have to see if it works for you

[dim cradle]

Spiders always deserve to die.

[honest marsh]

why does almost no one play on xbox 😭

[dense violet]

what makes you think that?

[prisma wagon]

As someone who just started satisfactory today and was extremely pleased getting off the biofuel and finally(with tinkering and figuring out gravity) setting up 3 coal thingies with a smile on my face, this was more disheartening than you'll ever know.

[honest marsh]

iv been looking for people to play on xbox with for like 4 days now

[eternal raptor]

are there plans for crossplay between console and pc?

[honest marsh]

prob not tbh

but who knows

[summer fern]

Don’t worry you’ll figure out a design for coal gens and then you can just build that a couple times

Little tip, there are areas of the map that are pretty convenient to build coal gens at

[prisma wagon]

right now my factory is a congested spaghetti bowl, i now realize that perhaps elongating my iron productions and copper instead of curling inwards would of been optimal lol

[eternal raptor]

i started playing before pipes were added so coal gens were literally just a single input for coal lmao

[honest marsh]

yeah i found a spot with 3 pure coal mines within 100m

[summer fern]

Building on foundations allows you to line up your machines very nicely

[honest marsh]

im still terrible at it

[prisma wagon]

I am building on foundations but i think i severly underestimated the amount of space i actually need

I thought what i had was big enough 😭

[summer fern]

My suggestion is to figure out the alignment of your machines first before you start building everything

[prisma wagon]

then i started to learn about the autocrafters, and autocrafting from the autocrafters and soon no space was left

[eternal raptor]

make sure you get the concrete or asphalt foundation material unlocked, cuz both of those only use concrete and not iron plates, it is a life saver for creating early game clean factories when you have terrible production

[honest marsh]

anyone here on xbox by chance 🙏

[prisma wagon]

HOW 😮 no more iron plates would be amazing

[eternal raptor]

awesome shop

[placid stirrup]

Wham bam thank you MAM

[eternal raptor]

sink anything extra to get enough tickets to buy those materials

imo it is the first thing you should buy with your tickets

[placid stirrup]

Oh for the material types

[eternal raptor]

yeah

[prisma wagon]

ahh i saw the awesome shop and skipped over it

[eternal raptor]

never skip the awesome shop, it is awesome

[placid stirrup]

Why would you skip something that's awesome?

[eternal raptor]

^

[prisma wagon]

because i dont know what it does or how to get tickets lmao

I did want the lil cart though

so far i only have those blade runner thingies for transportation

[eternal raptor]

awesome shop is pretty explanatory, it is a shop. read this page for everything awesome sink related, especially the tips section on maximising your points https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/AWESOME_Sink

you can use sommerslops very effectively to quaduple dna capsules for a lot of points

[prisma wagon]

Ill check it out right now, for me it was more so just another risk for electricity shortage i didnt wanna deal with 😭

is asphalt made with concrete?

[eternal raptor]

yes

both the concrete and asphalt material cost the exact same, they just look different

they just have aesthetic differencies

[honest marsh]

is asphalt on console yet

[dense violet]

console is 1.1

[honest marsh]

idk wht tht means

[eternal raptor]

yes it does

[dense violet]

it's the same versio nof hte game as console

[honest marsh]

huh i cnt read tht

[spice vector]

I can’t read what you’re writing

[eternal raptor]

also asphalt's texture is very noticeably directional, learnt that the hard way over a year ago

[honest marsh]

ok im just stupid ig

i didnt read the filter button

[autumn ravine]

Doesn’t explain why I can’t comment to the epic servers

[honest marsh]

i was like where tf is this asphalt

[dense violet]

I have no idea what you're talking about.

'comment on servers'?

[spice vector]

How do people make it deam like their resource nodes look so close?

[dense violet]

they build near them?

[spice vector]

Hold up

I’m forgetting words

[eternal raptor]

that happens with this game

[spice vector]

Gray looking tiles

Floor

[dense violet]

foundations? what about them?

[spice vector]

So like I have two veins of iron and a copper near by is it better for me to make their “factory” close to each other?

[dense violet]

define 'better'

is it more convenient for you to have them nearer?

[spice vector]

Efficient

[dense violet]

define efficient

[spice vector]

Fast

[dense violet]

... what do you mean by fast?

[spice vector]

Quick

[autumn ravine]

Of course when I go on cloud gaming it starts working 😭

[dense violet]

quick doing what?

[eternal raptor]

efficient is based on what your requirements and restrictions are at that point of time in the game, it is completely relative

[spice vector]

Idk

[dense violet]

think about the words and what you mean before you use them

woudl having the copper and iron near each other be convenient for you?
if yes? it's probably 'good'
if no? it probalby doesn't matter

[autumn ravine]

It actually connects to the servers

😭

[dense violet]

cloud gaming is probably pc based. You just access through console

[spice vector]

Check design tab

[north summit]

Glorious Spaghetti

[teal crater]

Question : the Xeno Basher has a little dangler, can we change it like with the build tool?

I say cuz the default key chain is one of the build tool’s

[eternal raptor]

i have never noticed that somehow

[brave horizon]

My smelters are broken after I downloaded the new update 😞

[north summit]

#open-a-ticket

id assume

[feral geyser]

Uh, wtf kind of name is that?

[north summit]

wym

[feral geyser]

fym "wym"?

[north summit]

fym fym wym

[feral geyser]

Exactly what I said

[north summit]

[spice vector]

That wouldn’t be racist would it?

[placid stirrup]

Tbf it violates the server rules

[spice vector]

Nō it’s that fancy word

antisemitism or something

[north summit]

but I am jewish

[placid stirrup]

Correct. Would recommend changing it and re-evaluating life choices

As am I and I wouldn't condone that "humor"

[north summit]

Then we agree to disagree my friend

[spice vector]

[placid stirrup]

Time and place

Moving on though!

[north summit]

[placid stirrup]

Do you have any mods?

[remote crest]

How reliable is the trains estimation of items delivered per minute?

[brave horizon]

No I'm a console player

[bitter lodge]

there is so much math that goes into that-

like just google satisfactory trains and you will see the entire formula

[eternal raptor]

depends and uhhh.... depends

i advice not trust 1 singular data point

have multiple ways to verify your numbers

[shrewd palm]

Accurate enough in my experience

[placid stirrup]

As long as you have storage buffer you can slap a belt counter on there and it should be pretty accurate

Or at least provide a secondary data point

[shrewd palm]

So long as the number is within like 5 of what it’s supposed to be or is higher then you’ll be fine

[fast summit]

yall know about the rollup door dupe glitch?

[dense violet]

very if you build it right

[steel kelp]

I’m finally done w my supercomputer factory

Holy fuck

10000000x worse than hmf lmao

[eternal raptor]

default recipe or alt?

[steel kelp]

I used the default one

Cobalt sent me a production that only used crude, caterium and water so it was pretty simple once i got there

But figuring out how i wanted to make them was a lot of trial and error

The factory maybe took 5 hours lmao

But everything else about 15 or so

So many deleted railways and useless scouting and browsing on tools lol

[eternal raptor]

yeah the default supercomputer recipe is one of the only defaults that i actually use, which is sad cuz the default is still kinda annoying

how much you making per min?

[steel kelp]

It would suck if cobalt didnt help me find this production

[steel kelp]

9, but they have sloops in atm so 18

I dont think ill need more than that and if i do im more than happy to just wait lmfao

Fuck supercomputers, my first big hurdle

Now i need to do radio control units and fused modular frames

Which dont seem too bad once i get drones setup

[feral geyser]

OC supercomputer makes a fun challenge

Much easier/cheaper to sloop them, since they are made in Assemblers, but everything else is a bit harder

[eternal raptor]

i think for my main base depot super computer supply i also make 9/min so yeah you will be completely fine

[steel kelp]

Yea i looked up what they are used in

And it doesnt seem like stuff ill be building super regularly

I probably need to make a rocket fuel factory so i csn use my turbo fuel for drones

[eternal raptor]

i use them super regularly and even then 9/min is still enough

[steel kelp]

Yea i bet

[eternal raptor]

super computers are in like every building in late game

[tough trellis]

uuuuh why do I not have a recipe for plutonium waste into ficsonium

[steel kelp]

Uh oh lmao

[feral geyser]

Ficsonium is a separate milestone

[steel kelp]

I refuse to build more of them I’ll happily wait

[eternal raptor]

you dont need to

i am only making more purely to be used in space elevator parts, dont need any more for the depot

supercomputers are used in like every building but at small quantities so 9/min is completely fine

only 20 used in quantum encoder, only 10 in particle accelerator, and only 5 in miner mk3

and only 10 in nuclear power plant

[pine patrol]

me when instead of fixing my underproduction issues i lowkey just go looking for somersloops then ignore it

[eternal raptor]

isnt that the intended way to use them 😢

maybe i am just bad

[tough trellis]

well theres that, you can use them to neaten up output levels, or you can save them for end game machines to make more hard to get items

I just used some on my nuclear power plant to make the non fissile uranium the correct amount to match plutonium pellets in the particle accelerator

[pine patrol]

i have like 30 somersloops all of them are plugged into some machine making like copper sheets or sum i couldnt be bothered to expand on

[tough trellis]

you must not be that far into the game... lol

[eternal raptor]

i never use my sloops for permanent stuff, i just use them temporarily for items that i temporarily need a larger supply of

[pine patrol]

phase 4 actually

[tough trellis]

thats about when you realize youll need them for something else

because thats when I realized

[pine patrol]

the only other reason j have been colecting them is to hewr ada talk to the alien

i have 45 currently unused mercer spheres bc of that reason

[remote crest]

Hey I need some serious help, I'm trying to figure out the whole train thing, could someone please help me out 😭🙏

[pine patrol]

whats your issue?

[odd remnant]

When do you unlock the roofs? Are they actually slanted or no?

[pine patrol]

i got a train like setup (its like 1000m but it works so whatever)

[odd remnant]

Am I missing something with the roofs (Glass)

[pine patrol]

you dont you can get them at the ficsit shop

[brave horizon]

What is the best way to bring pure iron from desert to grasslands before tier 4 lol

[eternal raptor]

i built a worldwide train network, it was pain

[odd remnant]

It's locked though

[pine patrol]

tf you mean its locked

unlock it

[tough trellis]

yessss I love the dialogue

[dense violet]

process it on location and reduce the parts per min you need to move to like 1/10th?

maybe less

[eternal raptor]

some items can be locked, for example steel material if you haven't unlocked steel production

[odd remnant]

How? do I need to unlock the other ones to get it to unlock

[brave horizon]

Yea but I'm building a whole factory in the grasslands lol and I am wanting to start loading up the space elevator too

[remote crest]

I'm trying to figure out how much stuff I need delivered each trip, so I multiplied the amount I need per minute by total round trip, is that the number I need to reach per delivery??

[dense violet]

so? have another factory there.

or, grab all the other iron much much closer

[pine patrol]

shat other ones? You havent said whats locked yet

[odd remnant]

i will show you

[eternal raptor]

keep in mind that you will want to leave some wriggle room as the time it takes will slowly increase over time the more traffic there is on the route

[remote crest]

So each load should be carrying that amount at least?

[pine patrol]

i dunno 😭 id just play it safe add a few more cars than you need and leave it at that im sure someoene else would help with how to get it looking better

[pine patrol]

👍

[remote crest]

Lol Okie doke, thanks!

[steel kelp]

When you click on a locked item in the awesome shop it tells you the prerequisites

[odd remnant]

I'm dumb. Thanks bro. I'm so clumsy and don't pay attention

[steel kelp]

Tysm for that supercomputer production lmao you actually saved me sm headache

[steel kelp]

Gets like that man

[eternal raptor]

i usually go with if i need to transport something at 600/min then i will make sure that it actually has a max capacity of 900/min, i usually just do a 50% extra throughput capacity just in case

[odd remnant]

[eternal raptor]

but then i can just scale it back once i know it is stable

@odd remnant have you bought roofs in the shop

not the material just the roofs themselves

[odd remnant]

No not yet

I'm going to do that

[eternal raptor]

that is the reason why they are locked

[odd remnant]

That explains a lot

[remote crest]

So my throughput needed would be how many I need per round trip? Or per minute?

[dense violet]

it's always per min

in general , you can probalby move 1 belt per platform. That changes a bit with mk6 belts though

if you don't wan tto do the maths for it

it'll depend on the length of the round trip

[remote crest]

Okay okay, so I need 480 packaged water per minute but my train will only load about 393 per trip, so I need to increase that last number?

[cyan valve]

hello do you have any suggestions for QOL mods that works fine even on multiplayer? I mean even if other people on my session doesnt have that mod, it wont cause any crashes or missing assets on their POV?

[dense violet]

why would it only load 393 per trip?

[dense violet]

that doesn't exist

[eternal raptor]

the throughput is dependant on 1. the time it takes for the trip, and 2. the actual stack size of the item e.g ore is only 100 stack size whereas nuclear waste is 500 so you can fit more nuclear waste in a frieght car which would result in higher throughput potential

[dense violet]

everyone needs the same mods

[cyan valve]

I see, thanks for the quick answer champ

[dense violet]

I mean technically it just means you can have longer routes and still have enough throughput

you're still limited by your belt speed

[eternal raptor]

yeah

[rich wing]

I FRICKING KNEW IT

BLESS THE PATCH NOTES

[remote crest]

My round trip is 3.0666 minutes, I fill up 480 per minute, meaning by the time I load up I would load up 1471 items, but I need 480 per minute at my machines, I don't think I'm loading fast enough but what do you think?

[eternal raptor]

i wish i could play on my steam deck, but i got the epic version of the gam :(

[dense violet]

even if your stacks are in 50s that seems like it should be fine? a train car has 32 slots

[eternal raptor]

i would just put an awesome sink at your station output and check to see what the train throughput metric says

[leaden turret]

game is DRM-free, presumably you could just... copy the files onto steam deck

[eternal raptor]

wait what i thought there an online DRM check every boot

[remote crest]

It's stacks of 100, I'm delivering water to the desert

@eternal raptor that's smart, thank you!

[leaden turret]

there's online services stuff, but there's command line flags to turn that off

[eternal raptor]

ah ok

[dense violet]

just see if your train is back logging. Doesn't waste containers that way

also, you're generally better off building next to your fluids

[eternal raptor]

nah bro wait till they add those fluid trucks we have all been waiting for

[quick hound]

help I drank all the water near my base 😭

[remote crest]

Very true, I'm trying to do diluted fuel and all the water is too shallow, so I went to the ocean lol

[abstract heron]

Iron and Copper Ingots are done just need to test and add sinks then limestone time
and adding the ore etc etc

[eternal raptor]

i honestly wish the devs just buffed all internal and train fluid buffers

[abstract heron]

Just having limestone to do

[stray wagon]

Why is my oil not going into my refiners properly I split a pure oil node into 4 different refiners making that blue ore and fuel but only two on the right are getting oil even though the pipes split them properly and the pipe pump did not fix it

[grizzled orchid]

Are you cleaning out the polymers ?

[stray wagon]

Yeah there going into a chest but the problem is that some of them are getting no oil at all

Not like it’s full of a resource it’s just not getting any oil at all in the two on the left

[grizzled orchid]

Anything overclocked ? Or wrong mark of pipes ? As it should work assuming the refineries are all together and have power

[eternal raptor]

go to the crude oil extractor, what is the uptime percentage on it

[remote crest]

Did you make sure all the pipes are full?

[stray wagon]

Yeah I emptied and refilled them

[eternal raptor]

what is the extractor uptime percentage

[bold ice]

First thing when I have problem with fluids is to check pumps that they are powered.

[feral geyser]

If you are supplying exactly 300 and the machines are consuming exactly 300, the last machines in a manifold will take a very long time to fill, and may even run out, even though the numbers "work."

[eternal raptor]

^

yeah even if everything is setup right it may take some time

[feral geyser]

Purging the pipes only makes it worse, cuz then the pipes have to refill while the machines are consuming the exact supply

[eternal raptor]

if you are purging then power off the machines till they are refilled again

[stray wagon]

I’m not on the game but everything should be at 100 percent it’s all got full power and is being emptied at 240 percent min

[feral geyser]

Idk then

Send pics when you are in-game

[stray wagon]

Cause the oil is making it to the tip of the pipe where it should go into the machine but it’s just not going into the machine

[feral geyser]

Are you using floor holes up into the machines?

[eternal raptor]

sounds like a pump issue

[bold ice]

Sometimes I somehow managed to misclick the pipe attachment, so it looks like its attached correctly but when inspected more deeply its not actually attached.

[eternal raptor]

i never trust connections, i know either me or the game messed up so i just redo it just in case if there are any issues

[dense violet]

it's often impossible to diagnose pipes w/o images, you'll ahve to wait till yo uget back into your game

[latent gate]

Aight, general question for the room

There used to be a list of the 32 items worth storing in bulk for large projects

I'm sure that list is bigger now

Anybody got a current version of it?

[eternal raptor]

dunno but big ones are wire and concrete

[latent gate]

Er...

Yes.

Yes they would be.

[dense violet]

look at the items in tier 9, there aren't that many. see what you want

[cunning glade]

Question do u need the same parts as phase 4 for phase 5 but just more of them or different items

[latent gate]

Different items

[cunning glade]

Sweet ty

[ember niche]

my saves crash when i try to load them
lord help me

[latent gate]

So that's a no then

[dense violet]

not that I've seen. Tier 9 isn't very large

[latent gate]

Aight, fair enough

Didn't feel like making a set intersection list of every buildable, but if nobody has I may as well

[dense violet]

I'll laugh if its just all the tier 9 items

it was almost every single part before. Besides screws

[latent gate]

A younger, less experienced pioneer whose name might be me tried to make a storage system with everything from raws on up

And decided to make it circular

[eternal raptor]

oh i now know what you mean

[latent gate]

It was a very large circle

[eternal raptor]

i thought you meant like what items are essential if you were placing 1000s of buildings

[latent gate]

I am

Bulk common construction materials for indexing in a storage array

[eternal raptor]

oh then i just do normal storage for most things and then bulk for motors, concrete, quickwire, wire, and i haven't had any issues on that

everything else is used in such low quanitity in my experience

[latent gate]

I'm sure.

Anyway

I'll be back in a day or two with the list, maybe somebody else has one I can compare to, but you're probably right, cobalt. I don't expect much

[dense violet]

just check the wiki for t9 items. It's ... very few.
Its possible diamonds aren't used for anything but the next step too, so I doubt there aren't any items that will be dropped off the list

and dark matter residue + photonic matter ofc, since those are gasses you can't package

[dense violet]

oh a non t9 item, distilled silica solution or something. that just gets turned to silica

but you don't really store liquids

[latent gate]

Nah

[dense violet]

so I guess that really doesn't count

[latent gate]

Was gonna skip fluids

I did find this though:

Category:Building_materials

On wiki.gg

So that'll speed things up

[teal crater]

Question about coal power: is four normal coal deposits good enough? I’ve found two of these groups and I’m planning on using one for a base power grid and one to make steel production

[latent gate]

There are a few I can see that I'd wanna exclude

Enough for what, exactly?

[teal crater]

For a solid starting power grid

[dense violet]

that can get you to like tier 7 pretty easily

[latent gate]

Should get you going, yeah

[dense violet]

burning 4 nodes is what I generally recommend to people to not have to think about power for ages

[teal crater]

And I’m gonna guess that two or three of these node groups is good forever?

[dense violet]

oh for both steel AND power. I'd use the nearby ones for steel, then find 4 nodes further off

[latent gate]

Disregard efficiency, handcraft to geothermal

[dense violet]

you'll want more later very likely 🙂

[latent gate]

Yeah, that's a starter grid

[teal crater]

I could probably set up geothermals pretty easily along the way

[latent gate]

You'll need to go for more by the time you hit late game

[eternal raptor]

i just rushed to getting alen power, chucked 4 down, then went and built a fuel gen powerplant

[latent gate]

Like order of magnitude more

[teal crater]

Fun

In addition, is 10 batteries per tech level good enough power storage?

[latent gate]

Not really?

It depends on your usage

[dense violet]

you could do zero power storage if you wanted

they're used for specific things

[latent gate]

But batteries are really only useful for handling fluctuations in your draw

[dense violet]

or kick starting new power systems

[latent gate]

They're not a grid recovery mechanism

[teal crater]

Exactly, I’m likely to use geothermals

[dense violet]

those only output a small amount of power

[latent gate]

Yeah, it caps at, what... 7GW?

[teal crater]

And the amount doesn’t affect that?

[latent gate]

Ain't enough

[dense violet]

geo thermal isn't going to be a reasonable amount of power for almost anyone making things in tier 9

[latent gate]

Between 4 normal coal and geothermal you'll get maybe 15GW total

[dense violet]

less

depends what belt speeds you get up to

[latent gate]

I could blow that fuse with my workshop

[teal crater]

Hmmm

So something like 16 normal coal nodes + whatever geothermals I can find should settle me for a long while?

[dense violet]

you'd probably do other power sources by then

diluted fuel for example

[latent gate]

Late game refinery spam will munch through coal like it's a snack

[dense violet]

import a bit more copper 😛

[latent gate]

And you'll need coal for other products

The four you have will get you to diluted fuel plants though

[teal crater]

I’ve got 3 normal copper deposits + whatever’s around my warehouse

I mean like around the mountains

[latent gate]

Which ones, heh

[teal crater]

Well I’m set up on top of that big pit

It’s got a water well?

[latent gate]

There's like two or three of those actually

[teal crater]

It’s a pair of pits

[latent gate]

Ah

[teal crater]

Uhhhhh

[latent gate]

Southern green fields

[teal crater]

Actually there’s two water wells

[latent gate]

Just below spider Japan

[teal crater]

One in the surrounding cliffs and the other in the big dip

[latent gate]

So just running rough numbers, every geothermal well in the map totals to 7GW

There are 31 of them

[teal crater]

Oh wow

Less than I thought

That’s the minimum isn’t it?

[latent gate]

That's the median

[teal crater]

I mean

[latent gate]

With every well tapped you average 7.1GW

[teal crater]

That’s really just 7GW I don’t need to worry about

[latent gate]

7GW isn't much once you unlock refineries

You'll blow that in a single factory by T7

I've managed to make coal plants do 12GW

[abstract heron]

i have 939GW

[latent gate]

But it's an expensive hassle

And not worth it to do more than once

You'll need the coal and sulfur other places

[abstract heron]

Try blue crater lake

[teal crater]

Okay so coal+geothermal is great for now correct?

[latent gate]

Yep

[teal crater]

And is that the 4 deposits or 8+?

Solely for power production

[latent gate]

4 normal is fine if you've got power shards

[teal crater]

Oh yeah I need to use those

I’ve got like 50+ blue slugs to use

[latent gate]

You can pull 270 a node on T3 belts

That'll net you maybe 7ish?

Lemme math that

[teal crater]

7 as in tier 7?

[latent gate]

My math was wrong

5.4GW of power on four normal coal nodes with T3 belts

6GW on T4 belts

[teal crater]

Assuming power shards?

[latent gate]

Yep

You'll need 3 per extractor

That'll get you to your first diluted packaged fuel power plant

[teal crater]

Okay cool

Sorry for taking a bit, just found this small crater with a water well

[latent gate]

Waaaaaaait a minute

[teal crater]

Got a yellow power slug too

[latent gate]

Craters with water in them?

[teal crater]

Nope

Water well

[latent gate]

You can't tap those for a hot minute

[teal crater]

So I shouldn’t mark them?

[latent gate]

By T8 they'll be useful

But not any time soon

[teal crater]

Okay so mark them, but otherwise don’t worry about them

[latent gate]

Nope

You'll need to use water extractors for that coal plant

So whatever nodes you have near water

[teal crater]

Okay

Kinda sucks you can’t tap em for water

[latent gate]

Not yet you can't

[teal crater]

Even if it’d be suboptimal

[latent gate]

Eventually, but not now

[teal crater]

Fair

[latent gate]

You've got other systems to master first. Complicating things with wells is a lot to ask of a new player

[teal crater]

Right

I mark em, but not so much else with em

[latent gate]

Mmhmm

[teal crater]

Gonna guess I can’t use the stream that’s in the Dip for water?

[latent gate]

Probably too shallow

You can try

But I doubt it

[fleet oar]

would 15 motors a minute based on one copper node one iron node and 1 coal node be pretty good? (i only have like 100 hours and this is my third playthrough that i didnt quit thus far)

[teal crater]

Gonna take a shot in the dark here, if ya can’t swim in it, you can’t use for water?

[latent gate]

Depends on what you need

There's no really good way to objectively score that metric.

[fleet oar]

really just need enough to make refineries and extractors at a good level, i recently unlocked oil production however havent quite gotten into it. i am starting to build the foundations however

[latent gate]

You can swim in stuff that ain't deep enough

[teal crater]

Hmmm okay fair

[fleet oar]

if your looking for water, in my opinion its best to try find a lake, rivers barely will be deep enough and half the time not wide enough in my experience, can you show me where your building ur base currently?

[latent gate]

You can always wait for motors to accumulate in a box while you work on other stuff, but unless I know how big of a refinery plant you wanna make I don't know what you'll need to supply it

[fleet oar]

rn i just really wanna unlock fuel power, it will be a HUGE step up if i can work out the ratios and stuff.

[latent gate]

You got diluted packaged fuel and heavy oil residue yet?

You'll need 'em.

[teal crater]

Give me a minute to get a proper picture on the map

[fleet oar]

nope, i explore sometimes however i still need to get packaging and more hard drives, ive honestly hella neglected them

[latent gate]

Sounds like a great way to spend a few hours banking motors

[fleet oar]

15 motors a minute has already gotten me like half a normal storage container so if i just spam a few it should pile up quite quickly

[latent gate]

Though what you really need is computers

[fleet oar]

i really unlocked tier 2 quite recently however once my main road block (oil and stuff) is out of the way i will focus on automating that at a good enough level.

as much of a logistical nightmare as it will be

[latent gate]

No no no

I mean you can't make fuel generators without computers

[teal crater]

#screenshots message right here

[latent gate]

Oof

You picked the middle of nowhere

[teal crater]

Did I mess up????

[latent gate]

I approve of this plan

[teal crater]

Oh it’s a good thing

[latent gate]

I've built my hub there twice

It sucks every time

Plenty of room though, and the scenery is lovely

[shy mulch]

If you need water in that area, there's a pressure well nearby

it won't give you huge numbers though, think probably like 2400 or something

[latent gate]

They're coal tier

[teal crater]

Yeah I don’t get that stuff yet

[shy mulch]

then what do they need water for? only thing you need water for at that phase is coal, and the coal nodes are beside a lake, make power there and run power lines to wherever the rest of your stuff is

[fervent garden]

I'm thinking of making a huge factory in the middle then having conveyers going to all the nodes that feed into the factory

[fleet oar]

honestly i wanted to try the northern forest, i got lucky that my spawn was with the nearest node which was where theres 4 pure iron nodes, 2 pure copper nodes, i think 2 pure limestone nodes and 4 normal coal nodes just across in a desert, i dont quite know which one as i forget the disginguishing factors

[latent gate]

See also:

[shy mulch]

if you're planning on that as an endgame tactic, you're going to be building a few hundred conveyors, probably best advised to keep things small and do trains later when the numbers start getting big

[teal crater]

I should probably explore more of the map tbh

[latent gate]

Head west

There's a large canyon with a lake in it

[teal crater]

Canyon?

Sounds interesting

[latent gate]

It's right on the other side of that ridge next to the sinkhole

[teal crater]

West of where I’m set up?

[latent gate]

Due west, can't miss it

[teal crater]

Okay neat

[latent gate]

There's coal and water there

[teal crater]

Oh wait water I can use?

[latent gate]

Yep

[teal crater]

wonderful

[shy mulch]

Literally that big lake you see on your map, to the left of where you are

[teal crater]

OHHHHHHH

Yeah that, I’ve already got that place explored, I was gonna use it for either power or steel

[shy mulch]

The colour of the water on the map indicates depth, the lightest shade of blue is too shallow to use for extractors, the rest is fine

[teal crater]

Good to know tho

[latent gate]

Honestly, it's better as steel

The local iron and copper is great

[teal crater]

I figured power since waters right there

[latent gate]

But it'll work for power too

Once you've got fuel, you can repurpose the area

[shy mulch]

Most people do coal power there. There are 4 coal nodes though. Use what you need for power, and the rest can be steel. Though there's a coal node to the south near sulfur which can be used for explosives and another one to the south west that is perfect for steel, you'll just need to conveyor the coal up to the iron nodes

[teal crater]

Well I’ve found two of these quadruple nodes

I’ll use those for power, and any others for steel

[latent gate]

There are bombable rocks on the rest

[teal crater]

Considering I don’t have bombs yet

[quasi star]

So can I play on pc with a friend on Xbox?

[latent gate]

No

[latent gate]

Yep.

Goals for later

[teal crater]

Yah

[latent gate]

I'll tell you though

That lake and the coastline due west of it

Best starting spot in the game

[shy mulch]

Check out the sulfur tree in the MAM

[teal crater]

I am aware, I just don’t have that tier unlocked yet

I’m literally at the start of steel production

[latent gate]

Everything you need to finish the game is within a kilometer of you

[teal crater]

Haven’t even started doing it yet

[shy mulch]

Get to it then, pioneer 😛

[teal crater]

I am, I’m just planning power facilities first

[latent gate]

Absolutely goated zone

[teal crater]

Can’t have stuff manufactured without infrastructure

Okay, 8 total normal nodes for power, whatever else I can find for steel

Got it

[latent gate]

Ehhh

[shy mulch]

Some people like to play on the edge, little to no infra, it still kinda works but it gets exponentially more complicated as you go on, definitely reccomended to focus on infra first if you can 🙂

[latent gate]

Maybe just stick with four and play it by ear

[shy mulch]

8 coal nodes? that's probably overdoing it at your stage

1 or 2 is probably plenty

[latent gate]

Those priorities will change as you unlock more tech

[teal crater]

I’d rather overdo it and have more room to expand than I thought than underdo it and panic

[latent gate]

Yesn't

Every node you tap is equipment you need to remove in order to upgrade it later

There's a balance there

You can leave old builds behind, sure, but that'll force you to move to new locations to build with the new tech you're unlocking

[teal crater]

You can’t just deconstruct the old and move on the new?

[latent gate]

No you can

[fleet oar]

you can but fuck if its too large its really discouraging to continue as its just hours of deconstructing, even harder if you want to keep the foundations. its why blue prints are a saving grace as you can delete a whole setup with a click and hold

[latent gate]

But it's not as simple to do as it is to say

And here's the thing

Early on I did this to myself a few times

[teal crater]

I have spent a few days setting automated factories in another game

[latent gate]

If you delete production, you don't have it later

[teal crater]

Granted it was much simpler

[fleet oar]

oh yeah you also may need the resources that the factories make, that makes it extremely hard to actually delete it without problems of lack of resources

[latent gate]

Don't deconstruct old stuff until you have a replacement

[fleet oar]

exactly

[teal crater]

Okay good to know

[latent gate]

The benefit of that zone you're near is that you can do rolling upgrades

[sterile blade]

Have a "starter factory" providing you with building materials, independant from other bigger factories tied to game progression or power ^^

The starter factory has the advantage of lower factory standards as it's "just the starter factory"

[latent gate]

My group calls them hoovervilles

Look it up, it won't disappoint

[iron storm]

How do I make blueprints? I made something but it isnt centered and I really dont want to destroy it all to move it a few feet

[latent gate]

Blueprints need to be made in advance

If you built it by hand, you've gotta rebuild it by hand

[leaden turret]

if you're on PC you can use SCIM to move it

[iron storm]

scim?

[latent gate]

Or that

[latent gate]

Map editor

[iron storm]

Is that an add on/workshop mod?

[latent gate]

It's a website

[iron storm]

Oh

[leaden turret]

linked in #welcome

[latent gate]

You upload your save, modify it, download the modified save, and load it ingame

[sterile blade]

The message above is literally the only mention of "hooverville" in the whole server 😅

[latent gate]

Yeah that tracks

@shadow dirge @rocky verge these lazy bums never come here

You'll need to Google it, I ain't about to explain it in satischattery. 1930s US economic commentary is very off-topic for this channel.

[shy mulch]

There is #off-topic-general if you really want to chat randomly

[novel heath]

just got packaged turbofuel and anyone feels like its almost too strong in terms of how fast you go up? (for jetpack)

[shy mulch]

spoiler alert - there's more to come 🙂

[novel heath]

do you use packaged fuel? just exploring rn and its really useful but i can maybe see it annoying for factory building
hoverpack personally feels too slow

[shy mulch]

different tools for different tasks
use hoverpack for manouvering around a factory while building
use jetpack for travelling around the map

[eternal raptor]

for moving quickly i just bhop with the jetpack but when i am building i use the hoverpack

[novel heath]

ic personally hoverpack feels too slow even for base building for me personally

[wheat musk]

Hoverpack go crazy tbh

[bold ice]

It's slow but jetpack buzzing is not efficient when building

[wheat musk]

When building I don’t really feel the urge to zoom around quickly so it’s fine for me

[eternal raptor]

i agree but it is a worthy tradeoff, but even when moving from 1 side of the factory to another i switch to the jetpack and bhop lmao

[wheat musk]

Is there a way to quickly switch from one another? Or just go to inventory and switch

[eternal raptor]

nah

you just eventually get faster at swapping

[wheat musk]

Gotcha

[bold ice]

Tip: Pressing Shift + clicking once on the jetpack/hoverpack switches it instant

[eternal raptor]

yeah you can either do that or shift click the item at the top of the inv

[wheat musk]

Ngl I just got to phase 4 for my first time and it’s overwhelming

So many new things idk where to start

[eternal raptor]

dont worry phase 5 is easier imo

[wheat musk]

I just re did a lot of things

[eternal raptor]

phase 4 has always felt harder

[wheat musk]

And I still don’t have necessary items automated

Like heavy modular frames

[eternal raptor]

for me that is normal

i built the hoverpack way before i even start alum production

[wheat musk]

I have computors automated tho

Me too I got that first

[eternal raptor]

drop pods ftw

[wheat musk]

Ftw?

[bold ice]

For The Win!

[wheat musk]

Ah are there better heavy frame recipes

[eternal raptor]

yes

[wheat musk]

I need to find those then because that’s the main reason I havnt automated them

Not a fan of the recipe

[eternal raptor]

heavy encased frame is the best

(no screws)

[wheat musk]

Sounds lovely

[eternal raptor]

and i dont say this lightly but it isnt one of those "depends," that recipe is always better 100% of the time

i will fight anyone who disagrees

[wheat musk]

I need to find it asap then

It just takes so much time running around the map

Are there enough hard drives in the world to research all recipes?

[bold ice]

Yeah

[wheat musk]

Or do I have to pick and choose

[eternal raptor]

4 left over

[wheat musk]

Okay good good

[eternal raptor]

that also includes the research chain

[wheat musk]

Perfect

[eternal raptor]

source: i want to die

[wheat musk]

LOL

I really need to but the bullet and make another factory

[reef basin]

Depends wdym by better

[eternal raptor]

not with that recipe

i will stand by that

[wheat musk]

easier

[reef basin]

Doesn't really help

Easier can mean anything

[wheat musk]

Just easier is what I meant by better yk

Just easier

[reef basin]

What is easy to someone may be hard to others

[zenith pecan]

That's a fact I often overlook due to subjectivity on my part.

[shy mulch]

My advice is to automate everything you need to complete a phase before progressing onto the next phase. If you are hand-feeding machines, or even worse, handcrafting at the bench, then you will probably get through a phase but the next is going to be 1000x more, so not automating is just causing yourself pain. Focus on setting up reliable production lines to make everything you need. Just do one thing at a time and it'll all come together eventually

[reef basin]

Even HEF depends

[wheat musk]

Yeah I did that for phase 2 but completing phase three I was struggling without having certain things

[shy mulch]

Then go and get those certain things

[shadow dirge]

We do in fact call them Hoovervilles

They’re like little container homes, but they fail to meet living standards

[fervent garden]

Is it just me or is satisfactory discord always active

[shy mulch]

fairly active most of the time, there are players all around the world in all time zones, so that's to be expected

[zenith pecan]

It's quieted down a lot since early access because fewer of us crazies trying to break the game and tell the devs about it but it has remained quite active 🙂

[fervent garden]

Ten bucks says I can crash my Xbox with satisfactory.

[full oak]

Where do I post a bug?

[void gorge]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/

[zenith pecan]

My play style will absolutely crash an Xbox 🙂

[shy mulch]

I'd take great amusement in loading my main PC save onto an xbox and see if it even runs, shame that's not possible atm 🙂

[zenith pecan]

My old save is still colossal, just too much effort for me to fix since 1.0 recipe changes, here's an example from it, the "backup" power station https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rLV_YcVt8s

[fervent garden]

You sure? In my sandbox mode I had 35 trains going at the same time, 40 tractors, maybe over a hundred thousand items on conveyers just going around and I barely lagged.

[zenith pecan]

Well the old save used to take 47gb of ram to load, you tell me 😄

[fervent garden]

I copied "lets game it out" and made a conveyer mountain

Tornado*

[zenith pecan]

I just built, and built, and built, and the memory footprint exploded, even shaving off 6-8gb to account for winbloat10, it still won't fit in the Xbox ram space.

[shy mulch]

Without using any sandbox mode or mods or anything, pure vanilla, a lot of people have built a lot bigger than that

Like, orders of magnitude bigger

[zenith pecan]

Yep, mine was pure vanilla, no mods or anything.

[shy mulch]

Kinda hard to tell the scale, I quickly skipped through, no patience for 8 min video. Any pics from far away?

[zenith pecan]

Yeah sorry, hmm, let me see if I have an old map, or one still within discord.

Though it would still be out of date because it got large enough I could no longer load into scim 🙁

[shy mulch]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1422879486470258811
example of the sort of thing I build

[zenith pecan]

Fair enough, though most of that would fit inside my emergency power facility under the map 😄

Old tunnel network map, #satisfactory message , emergency power is the big square thing in the dunes, multiple levels.

Nuclear map that ate the entire grasslands map #screenshots message

[bold ice]

Eh, is it possible that the game "forgots" that you have unlocked an recipe??

[zenith pecan]

In the current save, here's my power station taken from one biome over #screenshots message (fixed)

[fluid sapphire]

dont think so, which recipe?

[bold ice]

I'm 100% I had dilluted fuel, but now it shows in MAM. Gotta check my factory

[shy mulch]

here's mine https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1415700842169892874

[fluid sapphire]

are you sure what you had already isnt the packaged version?

[zenith pecan]

I'm sure there was an old map of my entire thing, I hate searching post history.

[shy mulch]

yours seems a bit more organised lol

[bold ice]

How do you do that map?

[shy mulch]

SCIM

[zenith pecan]

Still hugely out of date but here's as far as it got before scim stopped being able to load it #design-and-architecture message

That 1km long drunken L on the left hand side is the backup power station that took ages to tour in the youtube clip.

[shy mulch]

the straight lines make me happy

I've tried so hard to make mine feel more "organic"

[zenith pecan]

The 2d map doesn't do the multi levels of my tunnel network, above/below ground facilities any justice at all.

Here's sort of a 3d look at the early tunnels from the outside #design-and-architecture message , looks like major tangle vs the clean lines of the map.

[fervent garden]

You ever find yourself running downhill and groaning of how slow you are? I have found this speed glitch! (Works on flat ground and going downhill) what you do is you jump, and midair hold the crouch button so when you land you slide. Spam that over and over and you'll go faster than running each slide! ||Copyrighted by Dr30021 as Drs speed glitch®. Take it and I will murder all of your lizard puppies. ||

[worthy bluff]

Just got to my designated work region, hello from the odd bunch over on PlayStation! Looking forward to (uPsEtInG t-t-the Bal-bal-balance of na-na-nature) working with you!

[hard ivy]

Known technique definitely since 1.0, most likely even earlier. And not a glitch either, it got buffed in 1.1

[fervent garden]

I copyrighted it

[remote crest]

Dang

He got u there

[fervent garden]

And now you have to say "Drs speed glitch" every time you say it.

[worthy bluff]

The "Warframe slide dash"

[shy mulch]

that's a really useful visual to understand the structure a bit more, quite inspiring! my under-the-map expansion is very limited so far

[fervent garden]

Or I'm going to charge you ten thousand coal each time you don't

I CAN JUMP WHILE CROUCHING?

Ive just been stopping crouching then jumping

Bet now I can go Mach 1

I went faster than 140kmh

[bold ice]

Does train schedule follow order of stations?

[fervent garden]

From my understanding from messing with trains, you can make your own schedule and adjust it to how you like

I could be wrong

[dense violet]

it's whatever order you set it to

[bold ice]

Yes, but in the timetable. You can adjust the station names in specific order, does the trains follow that route?

[dense violet]

yes, the order you set it to is what they follow

[bold ice]

Ok, weird. My train network is just on loop across the map. I added later on one train station in between, and now my trains skip stations.

[dense violet]

likely because they are following the most direct path to their next stop

if you have stations A B C D E

going in that order in the loop

and you set it to go B then A , it'll pass C D E in the loop

[fervent garden]

I just went over 300kmh

[bold ice]

Yes, but let's say I had this: A B C D E. Then I added F between B & C. So the order should be A B F C D E. Now the trains go A B C D E F.

[dense violet]

depends what order you've set it to

[bold ice]

Idk, I'll remove all, save, reorder it again

[dense violet]

it's very rare you want trains stopping at multiple stations like that in any case. their throughput will often drop like a stone

[bold ice]

I have one unload station and all others are load stations

20 freight cars

[dense violet]

how many stations are you stopping at?

[bold ice]

6

So 1 unload, 5 load stations

[dense violet]

and are you trying to move like... full belts onto the cars?

at each station?

[bold ice]

My idea was there are multiple trains that go in a loop. They load resources one by one, until they unload it at my main factory.

[dense violet]

every extra train that stops at a particular station adds another 27 second lock out time that stops items from being loaded or unloaded. If you're tryingto do even 1 full belt per platform you might have some issues with so many lock outs

[bold ice]

Not sure what you mean. I have my trains unload freight car full of resources.

[dense violet]

are you aware that train stations stop loading / unloading things by belt when a train is docked?

[bold ice]

Yeah, but that's why I have storage before platform. Two belts from storage filling the platform in the time next train arrives.

Now this happens 5x times, I have full cargo

[dense violet]

sure, but for example, if in a 5 minute period of time you have 1 train stopping at a station that's

300 seconds - 27 seconds of load time = 273 seconds of throughput

if you have 3 trains stopping in a 5 minute period that's

300 - 81 seconds = 219 seconds of throughput on those belts

much less possible throughput

[peak wasp]

hi, sorry i not understand how to create a fuel logistic with drone port.

i place a drone port without drone near fuel factory..
and 2 drone port near the resource i need to move ( from A to B):

then ?

[fluid sapphire]

have a drone specifically to fetch fuel from your fuel depot

you can do this at either where you export or import your product, for me personally makes more sense to do it on the import side

[shy mulch]

It's not essential to use a drone to feed the fuel in, you can fuel your drone ports any way you want

[dense violet]

circles are drone ports, green circles are the fuel drone ports https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558721941410807812/1436884882377674812/image.png?ex=69152f53&is=6913ddd3&hm=432232f7850f58f5b3ac7281406bf2b0bef125619cd7988722f4d34f63a1fcd5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[shy mulch]

most professional image I've ever seen ❤️

[raw quiver]

I’m just starting oil refining I have a pure node with 240 oil pm what should I turn that into?

[dense violet]

whatever you need?

if you need plastic? plastic?
rubber? rubber
both? both

[raw quiver]

I don’t know what I need

[bold ice]

It could be I just need to make another unload station. I need to check it. But, my original problem was this: #screenshots message

[dense violet]

then don't make it yet

[raw quiver]

But I want to

Like what’s ratio of plastic to rubber should I be using

[dense violet]

possibly - I have no idea what parts per min you're trying to move or how

[dense violet]

look at the parts you have that need plastic

look at the parts you can make tha tneed rubber

[raw quiver]

Like half and half or will i need a lot more of 1 in the future

[bold ice]

Plain resources. Coal, copper, SAM etc.

[dense violet]

There's no single 'ratio' that is the right answer to this game

we don't know what recipes you will use later

[dense violet]

that's not useful information

[peak wasp]

ok then every resource drone port need another drone port for output fuel ?

[fluid sapphire]

only on one end, the import or export, dont need one on both ends

[dense violet]

it's common for people to have many drones have a shared drop off point for easy refueling, but it's not mandatory

[reef basin]

ignore future, build what you need now

[shy mulch]

The answer is, none, zero, you don't need to produce anything right now.
When you start planning to produce a thing that needs plastic or rubber then you will be able to see how much you need

[peak wasp]

oky oky then in general i need 2X * 100MW of energy for every resource i need to trasprot with drone?

[fluid sapphire]

that gets too granular for me personally, easier to just have fuel in excess

[peak wasp]

thanks all ^^

[obsidian zodiac]

gamers. good morning

[reef basin]

checks clocks

[obsidian zodiac]

i swear its morning

[dense violet]

sounds fake

[obsidian zodiac]

please its dark outside but i live in sweden i swear its morning

[reef basin]

I mean I did wake up like 1 hour back so I guess it's morning for me as well

but not sure if bad sleep habits should determine whether it's morning or not

[fluid sapphire]

my room is dark, curtains are drawn, agree, its morning

[shy mulch]

time is an illusion, morning is a conspiracy, the only true time is lunch time

[lusty prawn]

hey guys me (Xbox) and my friend (ps5) just bought the game and cannot connect to each others server even with epic linked

[peak wasp]

if a drone go from port A to port B , both drone port need to be refuel?

[stray sorrel]

Try it

[shy mulch]

don't think of it as the ports needing fuel, the ports only deliver the fuel into the drone, if the drone has enough fuel it will fly

[reef basin]

only one iirc

[peak wasp]

oky

[dense violet]

only one

[lusty prawn]

yo someone throw me a bone here is this broken or what

[sharp basin]

@dense violet Bros, now I have an electric power line with power towers (placed on the higher spots of the map so it’s beatiful) that goes from the Crater Lakes to the south, around the Grassy Fields. So now I have to possibly to feed lots of factories on the center part of the map.

[peak wasp]

thanks all ^^

[dense violet]

nice 🙂

[obsidian zodiac]

heyo, we do have places in the discord you can ask these questions. i encourage you to look through the different channels we have, but refer to #1038092680493801533 and i can give you a hand.

[sharp basin]

But I need help!

[lusty prawn]

copy that

[dense violet]

you sound like you're doing fine 😛

[shy mulch]

the only help you need is your geography homework, consider your new power network to be practice 😛

[sharp basin]

I want to start my factories, nice and efficient and all. I’ve been explained the Independency concept but I’m not sure I understand and HOW I’m supposed to do the maths. Just talking about tier 1-4 products for now. What kind of factories should I make? Like one for ALL iron products related, one for ALL copper products related, one for concrete, ect?… Then what about like rotors, modular frames, more complex products? Same factories but I just add floors? See my point?

[dense violet]

set a goal
make a plan
build https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[shy mulch]

Do it whatever way you want, but my advice is to consider the end goal of your factory first, then break it down into each particular input, and build those things in smaller factories elsewhere, that's kinda how I did it and it worked out alright

[fluid sapphire]

the gift and curse of this game is that there is no right answer, for me i like to do 1-2 products per factory

[reef basin]

figure out what item do you need, if multiple, pick one
figure out an amount you'd want to have (based on how much you use that material for building/milestones)
plan the build using the amount you want and recipes you have/want to use
plan the location together with planning recipes, so that the location has the resources you need
build at the location

repeat 🙂

[sharp basin]

I KNOW I’ll use trains. I love trains. If that can help you give me advices for how to start now.

[dense violet]

pland and build your factories first. Can't build trains to nowhere

[hard ivy]

I've got one factory for basic iron parts (plates, rods, wire and cable (thanks to the iron wire alt), one for copper sheets, one for concrete, one for rotors and motors, another for HMFs, MFs and RIPs, etc