satisfactory

[zenith pecan]

My sing facility for it will be under the map, behind the current hypertube~future portal station 😄

[primal obsidian]

cool keyboard

[quiet dagger]

one minute sorry

[fervent sand]

fortunately my cat does not get on my desktop’s keyboard, which is the machine I play satisfactory on

[ornate saffron]

Lol ty. Its the 8bitdo nes retro keyboard. It comes with giant A/B buttons. They are wired the same as a guitar amplifier footswitch. So I made a bunch

[fervent sand]

she’s ruthless on my laptop though

[ornate saffron]

You mean heat box

[primal obsidian]

I wish I had a cat but can’t win them all I guess

I have a gaming laptop and you would not believe how high the temps are

80-90 degree Celsius CPU

[opaque chasm]

People still having issues with the ps5 multiplayer right?

[ornate saffron]

My laptop is the same.

[magic trench]

sounds about right lol

[fervent sand]

nah my laptop isn’t powerful enough to do that

[primal obsidian]

can’t belief it my nuclear fuel rods manufacturer needs a whole like 5 encased beams/min

[ornate saffron]

Gotta incase them rods

[magic trench]

encased pipe recipe is goated

[primal obsidian]

ehh well im playing on a multiplayer server so there’s probably like 10000 beams sitting in a container

my battery factory has 58,000 i storage

batteries

[fervent sand]

#off-topic-media message

[quiet dagger]

could you check your dms

[wintry carbon]

just got my hoverpack, but how do i go down ?

[hard ivy]

crouch

[wintry carbon]

thanx, was stuck for 10 minutes 😄

[fervent garden]

Okay so Ive finally automated copper ingots as well. Ill soon make it into wires but not right now. Ima just let that run for a little while

[crimson lantern]

Hello

[fervent garden]

I get around 60 copper ingots per minute.

600 per hour

[crimson lantern]

Or does the copper get 60 Dr30021 per min

[fervent garden]

There can only be one of me

[crimson lantern]

Not if we automate production

[fluid sapphire]

double-tapping crouch will drop you, and holding space (jump) while falling will slow you down

[fervent garden]

Just got the 4 hour warning

[ornate saffron]

You can turn off the hyper fixation clock if you wish

[median geyser]

Uh oh 😂 left the game running overnight and woke up to a GPU crash from UE5. I dont see a clear crash code in the popup, is there any way of deducing what actually happened?

I have previously left the game running 3 times overnight

[fervent garden]

Wdym

[median geyser]

The 4h warning cycle, you can disable it

[fluid sapphire]

its a 2 hour cycle, not 4

[fervent garden]

What gave you the idea I wanted to stop it?

[fluid sapphire]

the reminders are nice though 😄

[fervent garden]

I got a bet going with a guy I can't get the 72 hour one

[median geyser]

Pretty sure my game rebooted automatically after like 48h or smth?

[wintry carbon]

thanx, just noticed it needs electricity close by too 😄

[fluid sapphire]

that it does

[brazen agate]

is there 4096 hour reminder

[fluid sapphire]

sure there is, provided you keep the game running for 5-6 months

[fervent garden]

MY BIO BURNERS WANT TO TURN OFF? FINE! HAVE A THOUSAND FUCKING SOLID BIOFUEL YOU FUCKS

[fluid sapphire]

coal power go brr

[fervent garden]

Haven't even built space elevator

[brazen agate]

i use african workers for my power

[fluid sapphire]

uhh, well, you should, and get to coal sooner rather than later, the game really opens up at that point

[fervent garden]

I need 1500 copper wires

Which is now technically possible.

But I gotta do dishes so ima leave it running while I do that to stock up on supplies

[wintry carbon]

do you use versitile framework only once for the space elevator? i got like 10 storage full of it 😄

[fluid sapphire]

nah, future parts use it too

[brazen agate]

Coupons go brrr

[fluid sapphire]

you probably have more than is needed to finish the game

[wintry carbon]

anything else you make for space elevator you need later ?

[fluid sapphire]

some 2 containers and change is what you need for the whole game, the rest you can sink

[wintry carbon]

better make enough now so i dont need to worry later 😄

[fluid sapphire]

2 industrial containers, that is

[hard stump]

Doubt it but I’m gonna try.
Anyone willing to join my world help out organizing and automating? I’m on Xbox

[fluid sapphire]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1201555265942724758

[exotic vault]

I sometimes get Reinforced Iron Plates via coupons in the relatively-early-game (aka, before space elevator phase 2)

[brazen agate]

i have 4 industrial storage full of reinforced iron plates

[fluid sapphire]

that can be worth it, to speed things up a bit, i bought some stuff for coupons to finish the milestones in phase 4

its easier to produce a larger supply of that stuff, once you actually have the unlocks

[brazen agate]

i explored the map so much that i have so much reinforced iron plates

i built factory for 20 hours and after that i spent over 20 hours just exploring

[rotund mesa]

anyone interested in doing a fresh server (dedicated) with QoL/Overhaul mods?

[feral geyser]

#1201555265942724758

[rotund mesa]

already made a post just asking in other channels lol

[jovial remnant]

anyone elses shadows flikering after latest patch

[somber monolith]

What’s the most realistic concrete colour

[feral geyser]

Grey

[brazen agate]

purple

[exotic vault]

quick question: which alt recipe for Reinforced Plates would be better: the one that costs 50 screws and 18 plates to produce 3, or the one that costs some copper wires instead of screws to make 3?

I accidentally chose the one with 50 screws as a requirement, and wonder if its still workable... (I have 1.5 iron patches for making screws, just so I can make Copper Rotors and Reinforced Plates at somewhat ok speeds...)

[somber monolith]

What grey

[somber monolith]

Thanks will do

[feral geyser]

The basic concrete swatch the game comes with

[somber monolith]

It’s not that good

[feral geyser]

What do you mean? It's exactly concrete

If you don't like it, that's a different thing

[somber monolith]

I think it’s off

It don’t look right

[fluid sapphire]

if you're just making reinforced plates, and not building anything on top of it, i dont think it matters much, for me personally, i am a big fan of the iron-only recipe chain, something like this

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=HGOQpZnwz2zHhWvQ1Jbk

i dont like screws, i dont like direct feed systems, screws dont play well with manifolds

[ornate saffron]

I like the ones that removes screws. Most the time the alt recipies are situational. Depends on what resources you have excess of.

[fluid sapphire]

generally speaking, i always, always use stitched plates

[fervent garden]

Is water a good fuel

[fluid sapphire]

but you can make anything work, its very dependent on what you have going on around you

[fervent garden]

What is even water used for in satisfactory

[wide nacelle]

lmao

[hard ivy]

bolted and default plates are generally trash unless you're using steel screws, but even then they're not particularly good

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch water

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=water

[exotic vault]

so the one of the two options which I DIDN'T pick (I was fooled by the 15 per minute production time of Bolted)... great...

[somber monolith]

That’s quite a bad recipe

[wide nacelle]

I've found stitched plates to be pretty handy

[fluid sapphire]

you can get more drives and still unlock it

[fluid sapphire]

whats bad about it?

single input, nice clean ratios

[somber monolith]

Very bad iron-product one copper node can double your production and even without it it’s still a bad recipe

[hard ivy]

many people are. the much faster production rate sounds good, until you realize that producing all the extra ingredients that recipe requires will take up way more space than you can save on the assemblers

[scenic mirage]

thats kinda a lot of iron used

[exotic vault]

well, I guess it is at least partially-to-mostly my own fault for not realizing I should've asked for advice here first about the recipes...

[fluid sapphire]

ya'll out here acting like iron is in short supply lol

[hard ivy]

less than default or bolted plate lol

[somber monolith]

Why would you use smelters by the time you can move 750 at once atleast use refineries or smth

Even concrete would double it

[fluid sapphire]

simple, no water nearby

[somber monolith]

So use concrete it’s better

[bitter lodge]

so for my next factory- I need 3.2k water.

[fluid sapphire]

what does that even mean, use concrete?

[somber monolith]

Water is not far just build a pipe

[bitter lodge]

I unlocked the resource well extractor. But is that a better option that the normal way to get water?

[scenic mirage]

yeah but just using pure iron ingot recipe can cut the iron use in third

[somber monolith]

There’s a alt that does doubles the amount of ingots you make from the same amount of ore by just adding some concrete

[fluid sapphire]

you dont know the situation this factory sits at, i dont like the idea of a single 200m long pipe cluttering my area

[hard ivy]

1. that's not pure iron's ratio
2. you can do that with stitched + iron wire as well

[scenic mirage]

200m isnt even far tho lol

[somber monolith]

It’s a single pipe and pipes look great if your complaining about 200m your cooked for later

[fluid sapphire]

it literally doesnt matter, you are missing the point

[somber monolith]

What point

[fervent garden]

Is it a good power source or not

[somber monolith]

Pipes make a base look better and make more of something

[tribal ingot]

will we ever be able to rent a server for xbox? 🙁

[hard ivy]

it's not better. or worse. it's just different

[fluid sapphire]

all this factory does is supply a depot, it doesnt feed anything else, for other factories that do require RIPs as intermediate, i typically use pure ingots

[somber monolith]

Just use wet concrete somewhere and ship that over

[bitter lodge]

Oh interesting. Alrighty

[somber monolith]

Then why are you recommending stuff based off your situation

[bitter lodge]

crazy question. Anyone got a refinery blueprint? I am lowkey sick of placing down refineries x-x now I gotta put down another 100+

[somber monolith]

Not their situation

[fluid sapphire]

thats all anyone here recommends

what i am suggesting is obviously not some objective truth, just what i like using, thats what i said in my original reply

[somber monolith]

I haven’t had that yet I’ve only been told to do what’s best for my current situation

[hard ivy]

make some yourself. they're gonna be more suited for you than what anyone can give you

[bitter lodge]

I have one ;-; buts it only 3 refineries

I think that may be the max I can do with a tier 2 blueprint

[fluid sapphire]

no one can tell you what a "correct" solution is to your given situation, is my point. you may think my iron only chain is bad, i think its great and does what i need it to do

[somber monolith]

Just put like 5 in a row then build scaffolding and put another row above it

[fluid sapphire]

for simplicity, you cant go wrong with this chain

[bitter lodge]

I don't think I can fit 5

Tier 2 blueprint isn't that big.

[somber monolith]

Do whatever fits and modify it later ig I think 3 with another 3 ontop fits in a mk2

[scenic mirage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hucd-yTFZ4&list=PLXuMrF6IqkF19doGoPzGvry5eTICDx1pD

[scenic mirage]

yeah i think t2 is only 4

[hard ivy]

you can fit 4. but as long as you connect all the belts and pipes to it, even with 3 at once is gonna be much faster than placing everyting without BPs. making it 4 won't make that much of a difference.
I'm using BPs with 3 even though I could make one with 4. I just don't see the point (and 3 usually works out better)

[bitter lodge]

That is a solid point-

[somber monolith]

Water is free there’s essentially infinite as you’ll never use it all even if you used as much as you can

[bitter lodge]

This factory is gonna be for making tier 3 miners whenever I want. I think after this factory....Oh boy. Gonna be tearing down everything and upscaling.

[scenic mirage]

why tear it down?

[bitter lodge]

Because mk3 miner brings in more resources. So if I tear it down. I can add more machines to suit the more resources.

[somber monolith]

Efficiency

[rotund blaze]

"The logistical system flawless, the production system elegant, every part interlocks, every item has a purpose, its one big puzzle that results in perfect straight lines and circuit like geometry"
I wish this was a quote talking about satisfactory...

[scenic mirage]

why not just build your factories so you can easily expand it

[bitter lodge]

Plus...my factories werent made with scaling in mind ._.

[fluid sapphire]

thats beside the point, for my situation aesthetics is a consideration, i know water is abundant in a lot of spots, in some its not though

[scenic mirage]

not overclocking is the best way to handle growth

[lime steeple]

Does the old headlift trick not work anymore?

[scenic mirage]

wdym

[fluid sapphire]

sometimes resource efficency does not matter

[rotund blaze]

planning for scaling is near impossible unless you design modules that can be copied 1:1 for double the output

[somber monolith]

Just put it under a box that your recourses come in on

[bitter lodge]

I had an iron factory. A steel factory. Now I got a iron/steel seperate factory that produces both products of both factories and in more quanity all by self ._.

[rotund blaze]

cant just add one or two machines, because that throws the entire design off

[somber monolith]

Every time resource efficiency matters always

[bitter lodge]

So ya. Past didn't consider future scaling. Just tear down and make better

[glass pagoda]

How do I get my doggo to stay

[bitter lodge]

That is why I never did it.

[fluid sapphire]

fr tho, i cant be bothered to literally max out impure nodes of the second most abundant resource on the map

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message

this makes 10 HMF/min and with better miners i can overclock it to hit 20 HMF/min i think

dont remember the exact number

[fluid sapphire]

the factory is literally overkill already anyway

[somber monolith]

Every resource counts if you don’t want to spend a thousand hours getting more

[bitter lodge]

You can make so much more

[rotund blaze]

me and a friend just complete tier 6 and are working on wrapping up stage 3 of the elevator, and we are not at a stage where planning to scale has any sense except that we can overclock/somersloop stuff

[bitter lodge]

#screenshots

[glass pagoda]

Guys how do I get my dogo to stay

[bitter lodge]

I am on tier 8 LMAO i still haven't made a forever factory

[scenic mirage]

i mean yeah def but theres no overclocking

[fluid sapphire]

thats absolutely ridiculous, we are talking about impure iron nodes

[rotund blaze]

honestly its always better to just "walk away" and set up a new factory in a different biome

[bitter lodge]

Encase it.

[scenic mirage]

everything is underclocked lmao

[glass pagoda]

Are there any carpets i can unlock

[bitter lodge]

I don't believe so

[rotund blaze]

just sink everything that you dont need to depot for building in your old factory and design a new one for the next goals

[glass pagoda]

🙁

[rotund blaze]

we started in rocky desert and we rebuilt the entire factory once already, and im already despairing again because NOTHING fits

[somber monolith]

Yes 4 impure = a pure not hard to combine 4 and they’re the best type of nodes because you get the most out of them compared to other nodes before mk6 belts

[rotund blaze]

why do all machines have to be different and weird sizes?

[bitter lodge]

Never do walls until the end...

[ornate saffron]

Floor paint And you can colour concrete

[rotund blaze]

why can nothing allign with walls, foundations, pillars, etc.

[bitter lodge]

And I go vertical. Each machine type gets its own floor.

[scenic mirage]

been there lmao

[rotund blaze]

learning that

[fluid sapphire]

the average player does not struggle for iron, in any way at all

[bitter lodge]

You make a box....and that box will say "I'm to small dummy. :p"

[bitter lodge]

Early game we all do

[somber monolith]

Ok? So why does it hurt you so much to maximise your output in a game about maximising your output

[rotund blaze]

I bet there will be more machines that are even bigger than manufacturers soon

rn a manufacturer uses half a "area" that could fit 32 constructors...

[bitter lodge]

Let me introduce you to particale accelerators.

[crimson lantern]

There a release date for 1.2 yet?

[rotund blaze]

if the game was designed with any coherence, buildings and foundations and walls and belts and and and would lign up in fractions of each other

[bitter lodge]

It was just teased. We are about to go into holiday season. I would say no sooner than 2026.

[fluid sapphire]

there's more to the game than min-maxing low quality nodes, why would i bother with that if it doesnt matter at all

[bitter lodge]

Technically. You can beat the game with a single resource node of every resource....

[hard ivy]

first half of next year

[scenic mirage]

sometime between now and the eventual heat death of the universe

[rotund blaze]

e.g. constructors would fit on a 1x1 foundation, smelters half a foundation, assemblers 1.5x2 foundation, manufacturer 3x3

[bitter lodge]

Do you ever use the nudge/half nudge?

[rotund blaze]

but instead its 1.256734 and 3.2051x1.8237

[bitter lodge]

Helps a lot for placing.

[rotund blaze]

I dont want unrealistic clipping

[scenic mirage]

you dont always get that

[rotund blaze]

like, I dont mind a constructor arm shifting between the struts of a frame wall as a early example

but I dont want to put constructors inside each other

[glass pagoda]

Guys I am placing down biomass for my dogo to sleep om

[rotund blaze]

but I also want to optimize space, because the terrain forces me to (I dont want a flying factory)

[fluid sapphire]

cant maximize everything anyway, the more complex a recipe chain gets, the more uneven the ratios, you will have loss somewhere, thats inevitable

[bitter lodge]

Going up is a friend.

[bitter lodge]

CUTE.

Such a good idea!

[glass pagoda]

Im also adding bushes

[rotund blaze]

our current base got like 200x200 foundations and 4 floors

[hard ivy]

a constructor is 1 foundation wide, a smelter 5/8, an assembler 9/8, a refinery 5/4, ect. all have pretty nice widths

[bitter lodge]

I am afraid to tell you this. But that ain't gonna be big enough for everything.

[rotund blaze]

those are all bs, also you are ignoring length

[fluid sapphire]

just need more floors

[bitter lodge]

Refineries are big bois and their pure recipes are amazing for turning raw into ingots.

[rotund blaze]

refineries were the one fun thing to set up so far, for oil

[hard ivy]

those are all correct. and I'm ignoring the length because I rarely care about it and it's also a whole number of meters

[glass pagoda]

Im going to make a pool out of a u jelly landing pad

[rotund blaze]

everything else was a nightmare

[rotund blaze]

nothing lines up with foundations in any sensible way

[stray field]

Yk with splitters if u have a row of them and a machines either end will the last splitter have less resource than the first splitters cuz everytime it goes through it would go from 50% to 25% to 12.5% etc no?

[hard ivy]

everything lines up perfectly every x machines. never more than 8

[green fiber]

that system relies on overflow (and is called a manifold)

yes, if none of the machines ever filled, it would be 50%, 25%, 12.5%, etc
but the machines that initially get 50% and whatnot fill up and then they no longer get 50% cause they cannot accept 50%

[rotund blaze]

which sucks because the production ratios never ever line up with those x machines

and I dont want to underclock every machine by hand

[ornate saffron]

I suggest to get the building to the max height achievement

[bitter lodge]

That is a manifold system.

[hard ivy]

bro if you want to line up both production speed and width that's a you issue

[stray field]

Okay thanks
So for like a coal power plant I should first divide them evenly then put them to each machine? Or should I js use a row of splitters connected to the coal gens?

[rotund blaze]

obviously I would want to build on ratio, but also make it look good??

thats just common sense

[green fiber]

the row of splitters works fine, the machines fill up eventually

[rotund blaze]

already did, dont care

[bitter lodge]

Look up load balance system

[stray field]

Okay thanks

[stray field]

How? As in on dc?

[hard ivy]

you don't have to. even if you do underclock every machine, you don't need to set every machine individually

[green fiber]

you can copy paste settings from the outside

[scenic mirage]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Production_line_design_tips

[bitter lodge]

Load balance will distrube lets say 90 coal. Into 3 machines evenly constantly.
Manifold relies on waiting for the first one to fill up totally before moging on.

[rotund blaze]

yes you do, cuz settings copypaste range is abysmal

and there is no ctrl c, ctrl v

[green fiber]

there is

you can bind those actions to different keys

[fluid sapphire]

load balancing is overkill for feeding coal generators

[hard ivy]

a manifold is a better idea. it'll take a while to fill (usually 30 mins), but then 6 out of 8 will be full, so you have a buffer in case you mess up something with your coal supply

[green fiber]

and the "sample building" button copies the settings too

[scenic mirage]

you can also build with the settings alr in

[rotund blaze]

only with blueprints you can paste the same building, and thats a huge waste of time

[hazy birch]

Finally sorted out power now ive got to try and make steel

[green fiber]

No you can use the pipette to copy a machine and it copies all settings too and you can freely place it

no blueprint

middle mouse button

[rotund blaze]

so you just predict how much you have to underclock the machines before even designing their layout

[rose saffron]

a manifold will be fine for coal power, I'd recommend a balancer for semi-automating biofuel though

[ornate saffron]

We all have are idiosyncratic ways of doing things. I just like having all my machines in a manifold have the same quantity of input and out put. Often involving a over clock. So find a % that divides equally between all the machines evenly.

[scenic mirage]

can you do that after its placed? or only to middle click and place

[rose saffron]

because coal is infinite, biofuel isn't

[steep tartan]

finally have coal power 😭

[stray field]

Okay thanks u all for ur help🙃

[scenic mirage]

animals respawn

[rotund blaze]

in other factory games everything just... fits together, its like a jigsaw

[green fiber]

what answer / solution are you looking for then

[rotund blaze]

every piece slides into its place seamlessly

[green fiber]

every other factory game is grid based

[scenic mirage]

it does on this too, just gotta plan a lil

[rotund blaze]

but not in satisfactory, here its like im building with lego, duplo and knockoffs at once

they kinda fit, sometimes, but not always, and they dont ever quite lign up in size/form/look

[rose saffron]

sure it's "technically" infinite

but practically it's not

[ornate saffron]

The more you play you start seeing patterns and things fit together

[fluid sapphire]

they do, in their own way, its a double edged sword, you get a lot of control over the placement of things, but its inherently kinda fiddly

[rotund blaze]

im 50 hours in and I cant see anything fit whatsoever
And I got thousands if not tens of thousands of hours of experience with the genre

[green fiber]

Playing with our weird knock off legos is a different itch than playing flowchart sim in other games.

Other games are mostly focused on factory - less on decor

[rotund blaze]

satisfactory is one of the worse "pretty build" factory games for sure, but thats an entirely different can of worms

[hazy birch]

For steel I’m guessing you just have to find a place with both coal and iron

[green fiber]

Then its just not the game for you

[ornate saffron]

That's what I did the first time. ^-^

[rotund blaze]

I like to decorate and have everything make sense, be structurally sound, realistic

[hard ivy]

that's just a skill issue

[green fiber]

None of that is mandatory in this game and you instead have to conciously design for it to look like that.

[hazy birch]

Struggling on satisfactory atm lmao

[rotund blaze]

there is no design philosophy in the whole game, its like a bunch of unity assets you gotta somehow make fit together

[fluid sapphire]

idk man, people post cool looking stuff in the screenshots channel all the time

#screenshots message

[green fiber]

Well, aesthetically all the assets do follow a strict pattern and style - they are basic indeed and so what you can make with them is entirely up to imagination

[rotund blaze]

which took them hundreds of hours because the game actively fights you at every turn of the way

[green fiber]

did you ever play minecraft

[fluid sapphire]

idk about hundreds of hours, i am sure some people do, personally i find a middle ground

[ivory condor]

Steam reviews strongly disagree, with the average user experience being overwhelming positive, so I shall leave it at, if thats your experience, you certainly are a exception🙂

[rotund blaze]

Ive spend hundreds of hours building pretty in several games, but I do it in games that encourage and support it - ive been trying here and all the parts fit poorly

[hard ivy]

I spend hundreds of hours on factories without even decorating them, so spending hundreds of hours more on decorations sounds about right

[tough trellis]

recommendations for where on the map to do my nuclear plant?

[green fiber]

near water

[ivory condor]

97% positive user experience certainly is a far cry from being a bad game

[hard ivy]

reactors near water, fuel rod factory near resources it needs

[tough trellis]

thats what Im getting at, I was hoping people had advice on where all of those resources are near each other

[ornate saffron]

Swamp I've been eyeing the swamp on the n
South East of the map

[fluid sapphire]

honestly it just sounds like you dont like the aesthetics if you dont think the pieces fit, so i am not sure why you even bought the game after looking at screenshots?

[tough trellis]

oooooh ok Ill take a look at that, the one with the huge trees?

[ornate saffron]

Has everything there

[hard ivy]

if you're building small enough (<300 uranium) - swamp, otherwise no such place

[rotund blaze]

most people probably dont care about coherence or grid, they just stick it together however it fits

[rotund blaze]

aesthetics have nothing to do with it

the visuals are not the problems whatsoever

[tough trellis]

I am already making uranium elsewhere too so theres that

[green fiber]

beginners typically dont place stuff on foundations and just slap it onto the ground, yes

See also: maniacs like Josh from LGIO

[tough trellis]

trying to get all the relevant alt recipes now

[scenic mirage]

we need another LGIO video

[rotund blaze]

if you have ocd, the grid of lies is a nightmare

[fluid sapphire]

then what is? you said the parts dont fit together?

[fervent garden]

Does the crafting bench go faster? Cause I swear I looked down for like two minutes and my 50 tiny miner thingies were done

[hard ivy]

for my nuke plants, I generally train everything in so the resources (other than water) are irrelevant

[ivory condor]

This game has plenty of coherence and has grids, so dont understand what you mean to be honest

[scenic mirage]

if you really have OCD just day to day life is a nightmare. what you like is neatness and order

[ivory condor]

the devs even included a world grid

[rotund blaze]

because they dont, everything has a different size and nothing "aligns", leaving gaps everywhere, or hours of fiddling with overlap

[green fiber]

Hmm yes that i can agree, the game utterly murders perfectionists and people with OCD.
Like the world grid not being aligned with the nodes / vice versa.
However i personally believe perfection is a lie

[hard ivy]

this is an automation game. maybe you should try automating things rather than handcrafting them

[ornate saffron]

Its a dm'd

[tough trellis]

I think Ill want to use conveyors for steady input to minimize errors, and I will probably be doing that anyways

[rotund blaze]

the grid is a lie

[scenic mirage]

the cake is a lie

[rotund blaze]

there is a grid but no part fits on the grid correctly

[fluid sapphire]

things do align though? what do you mean

[green fiber]

What parts are you talking about.

is this on a meta level

[scenic mirage]

everything can snap to the grid

[green fiber]

like "the game's design is incoherent"

[viscid bobcat]

how do I make indoor lighting not look trash

[green fiber]

you dont they just are.
you can only change color and brightness

[ivory condor]

Well alright🙃

[fervent garden]

I LOVE how I don't have to hold down the craft button for hand crafting. Makes it way easier to make 1500 copper wires.

[viscid bobcat]

are there mods that make it better without having to restart my save

[shrewd wedge]

Can yall give me a good power generator setup until I get coal unlocked?

[fervent garden]

I'm using solid biofuel.

[green fiber]

go search through the modding repository.
ficsit.app

[hazy birch]

Would it be easier to move the space elevator to where the steel production is

[fervent garden]

Solid biofuel is overpowered especially svter you get the chain saw unlocked

[green fiber]

i think theres general tweaks but the lights just are like that

[hard ivy]

or... just automate it

[fervent garden]

Later

[shrewd wedge]

Ik

[fervent garden]

Use that

[shrewd wedge]

I’m just talking about a setup not what to use

[ornate saffron]

Naw, move the produced materials to the elevator. Or at least that's how I play. Its really up to you. Its a sandbox game

[shrewd palm]

Use billboards instead

[green fiber]

(requires Lumen, global illumination)

[shrewd palm]

Right

[viscid bobcat]

whats lumen gflobal illumination

[flint grail]

Would be nice if we had the ability to rollback easily....

[green fiber]

it makes shiny things actually produce light

[viscid bobcat]

how to do that

[green fiber]

graphics settings > global illumination

turn to high

[shrewd palm]

You can turn them on I. The graphics settings but it might nuke performance depending on your device

[scenic mirage]

just load an earlier save, it makes like 4 diff saves and rotates through them when saving

[cerulean warren]

Is simulation lag considered a concern anymore?

[hard ivy]

game versions? if you have the game on steam, iirc it's not that difficult

[green fiber]

with enough stuff in a save everything is a concern.
The devs just manage too push the "when is it too much" back with every performance fix / update

[flint grail]

No, game version

[flint grail]

I've been trying to do that since the update dropped...

[hard ivy]

never did it with satisfactory, but with Skyrim, it was just a few commands in steam's console and then pasting the downloaded files into the game files

you can find the version's steam depot ID via steam.db iirc

[flint grail]

Yeah, that's been crashing me as soon as I press Play

[rotund blaze]

All production buildings are off-grid in their sizing, nothing goes quite on 1x or 1.5x foundations
Walls dont fit with catwalks, ladders, half platforms

Belts and Splitters and Lifts all have different spacings which clash

Pipes dont want to go vertical without a bunch of rebuilding for every single one

Junctions, Splitters, Pipes and Belts often refuse to snap when holding ctrl and require extra temporary pipes/belts to make it work
inputs/outputs of most machines are offset in a way that requires extra spacing to get straight lines

Foundations and walls are too small for machines to work in any sensible fractions, but too big for catwalks, some railings, pillars, and other architecture

Foundations miss some "shapes" or have some shapes only in one way in the awesome shop

Belts are extremely finnicky to get straight and get decent corners, sometimes belt modes just refuse to work despite another belt mode fitting exactly the same or it working with building it in "steps"

Different Building sizes dont line up with each other within any of the recipe ratios, requiring uneven spacing or empty gaps

The Customizer is very difficult to use if you didnt predict what colors, materials and designs you wanted to use preemptively, which means you have to painstakingly work on every single piece

Rails are difficult to build and signals are very jank/partially refuse to work

... Thats what I can think of from the top of my head, but there is more that I cant recall right now, I'd have to deal with it again to remember

nothing of this is a major flaw, but it adds up to a mess/tedious finagling to make it work

[viscid bobcat]

this changes everything

[green fiber]

The belt thing i can agree, that seems to be a current bug with straight mode where it sometimes twists the belt end or pipe end

As for most machines not being a multiple of a foundation in size.... since like day one when this game release i never really found that concerning

Is this just some OCD thing i dont get?

[rotund blaze]

I first tried this game ages ago, it was pretty much brand new? I think? and I was in my peak factorio time - and most of these issues were present then

[shrewd palm]

With a big enough foundation the size of the machines doesn’t really matter

[green fiber]

Like i know the converter is exactly 2 x 2

but constructor, assembler and manufacturer are not-quite one foundation and 1.5 and like 2 foundations or something

[scenic mirage]

thats not what OCD is, ocd is a debilitating disorder not just liking a building in a video game to be a certain size or whatever

[hard ivy]

they're all a multiple of 1/8th of a foundation

[rotund blaze]

it matters to me to design spacing, to place pillars for the next floor, I cannot play if I cant make the lines allign

[green fiber]

I know but like maybe it was in relation to them not being exact matches thats why i asked.
otherwise it would have just said idk.. perfectionism and not specifically OCD

Its never easy to tell when i see someone come in and mention OCD if they actually mean it (most often probably not) or if its just their inner monk

[quick hound]

I still can’t find a fellow ps5 player to help me with my save..

[rotund blaze]

if I build on foundations, everything has to fit in a fixed amount of foundations, a number that makes sense to me (usually 5's or even numbers, sometimes in 3's too)

[green fiber]

I never really managed to get into factorio tbh.

It just doesnt do it for me

[fervent garden]

I have built the space elevator. Now to commence project fuck my life.

[rotund blaze]

there are many versions of OCD, everyone obsesses over different things, and its not equally pronounced for everyone

I cant play a game if I cant make things... "straight" and rectangular

[green fiber]

Then yes, i do get it, it can probably be hellish to you

[rotund blaze]

it has to be on a grid or I lose my mind

[wide nacelle]

Belts/pipe stuff is the biggest complaint regarding that for me. Factorio is much nicer in that regard. Captain of Industry is a lesser known game I like a lot that handles belts & pipes very logically and cleanly as well.

[rotund blaze]

constructors poking 1 meter over the edge of a foundation? absolutely not. I have to "buffer" the entire foundation to make it a larger rectangle thats exclusive for the constructor and maybe belts/splitters

[green fiber]

This game is absolutely not for those who need perfection.
Ive heard it before from some and i do see it.

[rotund blaze]

so my base has constructors occupy at least 3 foundations length and 2 walls height

and no other machine is allowed to poke in

just an example

I have to do this for every machine, the bigger ones too, and then it also has to be all on ratio

the last machine needs to get exactly as many inputs as it needs

while the first is being fully utilized

[fluid sapphire]

everything i build is on the world grid, everything i build on foundations is in some way aligned to something else, its just more freeform than having every single building block evenly, perfectly snap onto one another, for me something like this

#screenshots message

#screenshots message

thats aligned well enough, i think if you cant at all let go of aligning everything literally perfectly, symmetrically, then yes, this game really isnt for you

[wide nacelle]

i quickly learned to stop caring about aligning things precisley to foundations 🫠 so much wasted space like oyu are sayin because things were not designed to align in this manner

[green fiber]

I get you from one angle, but from the other angle i think the problem is that most people just dont care about the minor imperfections.
I myself also do not care for these things which is probably why its easy to brush them aside

Most of these issues dont exist in other games because they go full Grid-based.

SF is NOT Grid based and the grid is only localized

[fervent garden]

I'm guessing I need an assembler for smart plating

[wide nacelle]

it annoys me a lot too 😩 things being 0.1m off

[green fiber]

It starts with the world map: everything is organic and you will NEVER get miners to align with the foundation grid

because none of them are on the grid space

[fervent garden]

BRO PHASE ONE IS SO DAMN EASY

[green fiber]

So yes i do get it, the game is hostile for those who need perfection

[rotund blaze]

that could work, but only if its 1. structurally sound in my mind (pillars) 2. visually pleasing (walls, railings, windows) 3. space optimized (as compact as possible with designated walkways and no clipping) 4. all power lines need to be symmetric and cannot go through structures, and must be put on the same surface (either walls or pillars with outlets)

[shrewd palm]

Wait until you see the rest of the game

[wide nacelle]

Using the small Nudge tool also can make problems worse because there actually is a snap grid when placing things, and if you place something with a nudge tool then things will no longer snap properly to it without nudging them as well

[fervent garden]

Dont talk to me. 😭

[green fiber]

Do NOT mention half nudge to me I hate that it causes EVERYTHING to be constantly misaligned unless half nudged too

[rotund blaze]

and then its only doable after you progressed far in the game

[fervent garden]

Half. Nudge.

[wide nacelle]

yeah i made that mistake for the 1st time the other day. never again 🫠

[rotund blaze]

I thought that the instant someone mentioned it and repressed the memory

[fluid sapphire]

all of that is doable with the tools the game gives you, but yes, definitely a pain in the ass in the early-early mid game

[green fiber]

Full nudge only for production really because full nudge is in 1m grid and so is all the movement in the game usually when on foundations
while half nudge is 0.5 m and so it is a completely different grid space because normal nudge is only 1 m again

[zenith pecan]

Yay, my light array (21 haha) and ground penetration blueprints have been recreated! 🥳

[rotund blaze]

its a huge pain in the butt to do, when it would be so easy if things were uniform in size (1x, 1.5x, 2x, etc. in dimensions for length, width and height of walls/foundations)

[viscid bobcat]

the light control panel changes everything

[swift void]

If I stream to twitch can someone look at my stream and tell me what’s wrong with my piping system

[rotund blaze]

it took me 40 hours to even learn that you can press H and nudge at all

[green fiber]

You dont need to stream you can use #1038092680493801533 and send some images and we can definitely tell you whats wrong

[fluid sapphire]

that would make it easy, sure, but it would also remove a large chunk of the creative options that come from that

[rotund blaze]

oh right one more thing that really annoys me I just recalled: if you remove something that has belt inputs, you have to rebuild all belts

[zenith pecan]

Half nudge does have a place though, here's my example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB-NU0Sc42Y

[green fiber]

yeah because of the non-grid thing
the game doesnt store things on a coordinate basis, but on a connection basis

[rotund blaze]

I dont see how its a benefit at all, it just makes things more difficult

in factorio I can design perfect "bricks" of any production, even in ultra modded games

[swift void]

Or is anyone free to vc with me

[hard ivy]

post pics in #1038092680493801533

[rotund blaze]

and its super easy to make a circuit board of belts/trains/pipes

[exotic needle]

Me when I forget to set 1 freight station to unload and it backs up and shuts off my entire power grid

[rotund blaze]

"satisfactory is like programming with a size variable font"

[green fiber]

It does work well for more "natural" factory shapes.
rather than the boxy look you get otherwise

Factorio is for the programmers, Satis is for the 3D artists

[cosmic totem]

hello all, thinking of buying satisfactory and im wondering, is there anyway me (pc) can play with my friends (on xbox) - is there an account I can make or anything?

[zenith pecan]

Possibly easier to see than when I cut a forgotten wire that happened to be the only connection between my power grid and the entire nuclear mass production chain 😄

[ornate saffron]

Sorry to hear you are not enjoying you satisfactory experience.

[green fiber]

No crossplay between PC and consoles at the moment unfortunately

[wide nacelle]

The regular Nudge tool is a life saver though, wish I had learned that sooner myself as well. So much frustration trying to get the correct camera angle to place something the way i wanted is silly

[exotic needle]

lol

[unkempt blade]

Yeah! I'm an "artist"! #screenshots message

[rotund blaze]

wanting to place a splitter in mid air so you build a splitter tower

[zenith pecan]

27 structures suddenly went dark, I didn't know until half an hour later when 100 reactors offlined.

[cosmic totem]

ah damn, thanks anyways - had a feeling

[rotund blaze]

one does not have to exclude the other

[exotic needle]

The only reason I realized is because I was checking to see if the power output was staying consistent and noticed I was running everything off of coal power

[green fiber]

Thats design choice i think.

[iron storm]

I just got the game yesterday with on 7.5 hours, any tips for me before I get deeper into the game?

[tall lantern]

pay attention to what the game's teaching you, don't be afraid to expand, consider verticality

[small patio]

I accidentally deleted my session. Is there a way to get it back?

[tall lantern]

and do the MAM stuff

[ornate saffron]

Take your time. There is no rush.

[fluid sapphire]

take note of all the context-sensitive controls options the game tooltips show you, there are so many useful ones

[rotund blaze]

I watched one of my favorite content creators on youtube do the golden nut (after getting everything else in the store) and he is usually a factorio guy
DoshDoshington, how he builds would be... acceptable to me, however he has everything unlocked, I feel like building in that orderly and clean style is impossible until then, because you need to know every single structure to figure out a uniform "grid"

[iron storm]

Im trying to get everything automated before moving further

[ornate saffron]

Its okay to leave your spaghetti factory standing. Just make another.

[rotund blaze]

^until you start to lag, just build a new one somewhere else

[iron storm]

I try to keep it organized

Let me grab a photo real quick

[green fiber]

I think this is supposed to be something along the lines of "limitation breed creativity"
Also the game takes a pretty hard stance on "no factory without some work" which is why we dont get giant easy copy paste tools.
The philosophy behind the game was literally stated to be that "it only feels satisfying seeing your final work if it took effort"

This clashes with the expanding gameplay of factory games which is likely why the actual gameplay scope is held smaller

[rotund blaze]

especially because we dont get a "tear everything down and automatically rebuild it from copy paste" like other factory games

[exotic needle]

I still have my starter factory building iron plates, rods, reinforced plates, modular frames, and rotors and dont plan on messing with that at all lol

[green fiber]

Yeah not because if it was instant and didnt take effort it wouldnt be in the spirit of satisfactory.

Blueprints are a help but still take a lot of effort

Everything is effort and it never really gets easier.

[rotund blaze]

idk if building the same pipe input for the 15th time, taking 20 hours to just get inputs for 60GW of power routed, is satisfying tbf

[green fiber]

Its not about the act of building being satisfying

[fluid sapphire]

auto-connect gets rid of a lot of that

[green fiber]

its about the seeing the conlusion

[ornate saffron]

I enjoy making blueprints. I think of it as custom assets I make to make the game smoother

[rotund blaze]

not if its supposed to be clean, straight and 90° angle lines

[green fiber]

the actual tasks are often pretty much menial busywork tasks.
and yeah, we did get SOME tools for it

[fluid sapphire]

thats literally what auto connect is best at

[zenith pecan]

Some blueprints are an incredible pain to create, saves a lot of issues when using them on a large scale though.

[fluid sapphire]

maybe not angles

[green fiber]

Like the actual factories dont take much thinking time.
Most of the game is building.

[rotund blaze]

in dosh's video he had to constantly remove what autoconnect did and rebuild it

[fluid sapphire]

but clean and straight

ok, and except maybe pipes 😄

but for straight pipes, its fine, and for belts its great

[rotund blaze]

for me they do, I took 10 hours just to get a setup that works with my brain for iron to motors

after unlocking it

and I already know I will have to redo it

[iron storm]

Is there a way to send photos?

[green fiber]

Yeah and i get that it feels doubly difficult for you if everything takes twice as long

[iron storm]

Screenshots gc?

[rotund blaze]

welp I gotta go sleep

[green fiber]

#screenshots yea

[green fiber]

well have a good night

[iron storm]

Alright, i sent my setup so far

[green fiber]

humble beginnings, but good work so far

[iron storm]

Im trying to keep everything organized

Everything is just slow, Im still earning satisfactory modelor and understanding all the numbers

[wide nacelle]

an example of tedium McGalleon is referring to that I am encounting as a relatively new player is not being able to flip blueprints. Splitters/Mergers are very picky about directions; Needing delete & rebuild whole sections of belts and mergers in order to reverse a belt. you can't flip/rotate an existing merger or belt. As they say, i dont think things like this ever get easier

[swift void]

When I’m loooking at the graph how do I up max consumption

[fluid sapphire]

build more machines that use power, thats what that means

the potential max

[swift void]

Got it I thought that was the max consumption for the coal plant

That makes more sense

[hard ivy]

max consumption is the consumption you'd have if all the machines were running at once

[green fiber]

many players frequently make "mirrored" BP sets for that i think

[wide nacelle]

yeah, been considering doing that myself

[green fiber]

at least i personally tend to have some

its not much more effort to make a second blueprint for something that way

and switching between BPs is then as easy as clicking E in some cases

as BPs in the same subcategory are in the same quickswitch group / in the same radial menu

so that is effectively your replacement for a mirror: making a second BP.
so again, the part where you yourself save work / time is only gained by investing it initially
and that is something that happens quite often

you are rarely ever handed "efficiency", only tools to make yourself more efficient.
if that makes sense

[worn gull]

Anyone else not able to select preferred fuel on the jet pack on console/ps5? I’ve tried everything haha.

[shy mulch]

I just saw someone on Facebook describe 5KW as "5 KWh per hour"
Shhh don't tell greeny 😂😂

[brittle shell]

Finished phase 5 for the first time! Although I don't actually have a factory beyond some temporary particle accelerators and copper powder bits. I do have a rocket fuel plant that I spent ages on and many sloops collected.

[marble gulch]

Congrats!

I only got the game and I've done tier 3 and 4

Need to do phase 2 now

[brittle shell]

I've been playing since 2019 but have difficulty not rebuilding everything constantly. I like to have all the cosmetic items unlocked first 😄

[fickle walrus]

#screenshots

LOL

[forest widget]

Why aren't there upgrades to Power Storage?

[flint grail]

There are with mods

[forest widget]

Just seems odd we can literally make batteries but not apply them towards the big batteries. 🙂

[waxen robin]

Cause the battery's to small 🤣

[willow bear]

i had no idea they had a discord

it never crossed my mind lol

[feral veldt]

Can a miner dig through foundations?

[willow bear]

i dont think so

[fervent garden]

Alternate iron wire or alternate bolted iron plate?

[hard ivy]

I'd take wire 100%

[fervent garden]

Explain?

@hard ivy Idk what they do

[waxen robin]

Yup just not to high

[sharp basin]

I spent like 3-4 hours just to install a power towers line from the Crater Lakes to the Grass Fields. 12-13 power towers. It’s a beautiful network. Don’t know what I’m gonna do with it though, but I got electricity on the whole center of the map.

[hard ivy]

Iron wire allows you to make wire out of iron. Pretty cheaply, at that. Combined with other recipes, it allows you to make a few things without copper, if you want to. Combined with stitched plates, you can make reinforced plates cheaper, easier, and without screws. Pairs well with iron pipe and steel rotor, allowing you to make rotors entirely out of iron and only 2 shared intermediates. It's a bit slow though

Bolted plate, on the other hand makes plates much faster than either of the other recipes, at the cost of, well, cost. It's more expensive than the other 2. If you add in the machines required to make those extra items, it generally doesn't even save you any space overall, unless you use steel cast plate and steel screws, and even then it's marginal

[fervent garden]

WAIT

[sharp basin]

Meaning I can power lots of factories in a LOT of places.

[fervent garden]

IRON WIRE CAN SUBSTITUTE COPPER WIRE?

[sharp basin]

Yeah that’s banger

[fervent garden]

GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME

[hard ivy]

Yes? That's how alternates work. If you hover over it, you'll see that it makes the same wire

[fervent garden]

I'm new

[sharp basin]

And it WORKS. That’s really the title of the game: SATISFACTION

[dense ingot]

On the subject of alternatives, do you need to unlock a crafting recipe before you can get an alternative for that crafting recipe?

[hard ivy]

Generally, yes

There might be some exceptions but I don't remember any off the top of my head

[dense ingot]

Does this apply for recipes unlocked in the mam

[hard ivy]

Yes

[dense ingot]

I should have assumed so.

[fervent garden]

I'm going to bed. Tomorrow I have to automate reinforced iron plates, rotors and the wires (regular wires, not copper)

[shy mulch]

Wire is wire. It's just different recipes to make it. Once it's made it's the same thing

[fervent garden]

Leaving my game running cause what could go wrong 💪💪

[raw plume]

anyone experiencing miners randomly pausing work in new version?

[fervent garden]

Black wires

[fervent garden]

Do they have power

[shy mulch]

That's cable

[raw plume]

yeah

[fervent garden]

Close enough

[raw plume]

everything is fine, it just randomly pauses for like 10 seconds

[shy mulch]

No, it's 2 different products. You can't just mix them up

[fervent garden]

IT WORKS ANYWAY

[shy mulch]

If a thing needs wire and you send it cable, or the other way round, then it won't work

[dim pagoda]

Are the power cells u make from power slugs infinite? Do they go empty?

[hard ivy]

If you put it in the machine, it stays there until you take it out. And it doesn't run out

[low tartan]

what machine do they go in? sorry if a dumb question

[dim pagoda]

Omg so basically i can put it in all the coal gennies and they alway run on 250 procent?????🤩🤩🤩🤩

[hard ivy]

Basically any machine with only a couple exceptions

[shy mulch]

Everything except packagers

[low tartan]

ah so they just go in instead of fuel

[hard ivy]

That's sloops. Packagers take shards just fine

[shy mulch]

No

[low tartan]

sorry, not fuel

where do you put them?

[shy mulch]

Oh ofc, I'm clearly not awake lol

[shy mulch]

You'll see, it'll be obvious when you unlock overclocking

[low tartan]

ah ok

i just finished phase 1 before logging off for the night, my factory is an absolute jumbled mess right now, going to have to destroy absoliutely everything tomorrow 😄

[hard ivy]

Yeah, there are dedicated slots for them once you're able to use them

[wide nacelle]

They are unlocked in mam research

[shy mulch]

Don't need to destroy stuff. Just pick some different nodes and make more stuff. Abandon the old stuff so you can go back to it for building materials if you need to

[low tartan]

at some point, do you unlock an ability to switch up the flow of a conveyor belt? There were a few times i wanted to divert my iron ingots between rods and plates, and i had to keep destroying and rebuilding, would be cool to just be able to flip it over and back

[shy mulch]

I've no idea what you're asking there lol

[low tartan]

let me ask it better

[dim pagoda]

#screenshots

[south idol]

you cant blueprint water extractors :?

[shy mulch]

Correct

[low tartan]

i want something like what happens when a train track switches. basically a conveyor with 1 source and 2 destinations, and i can flip a switch to send thngs to either destination 1 or destination 2.

not a splitter

[shy mulch]

Use a conveyor splitter?

[low tartan]

but something that sends either 100% of stuff to 1 or 2

[south idol]

nyeh, there goes my dream of a vertically integrated nuclear plant blueprint

[pearl marlin]

How many coal generators can a coal Miner the outputs 150 per minute provide for

[shy mulch]

It splits evenly to each output

[low tartan]

yes, I know. I am asking is there something you can unlock that instead of splitting evenly, I can route 100% of output to either 1 place or another

[shy mulch]

The coal plant will tell you how much coal it needs. Dividing 150 by that should be pretty easy

[pearl marlin]

It’s not telling me

[shy mulch]

If 100% of output is going to one place, then why have a splitter? Just use a conveyor?

[low tartan]

ok, ill ask it again

[pearl marlin]

Nvm, had to put coal into it first

[south idol]

no switch operated device, but you can programmable splitter different things to different outputs

[zenith fractal]

from what I can get from this a smart splitter can act as a switch as you can block things from going to one place and go to another by changing it's overflow settings

[shy mulch]

Smart splitters are never necessary for the kind of thing he's talking about.
Don't bother with turning things on and off, you're at early days when things are small, so it seems doable. But if you get into that habit you'll be stuck when you have thousands of machines. Build in a way that such 'switching' isn't required

[low tartan]

yea thats exactly what i was looking for, thanks!

[glacial geyser]

quick question can the hyper tube accelerators get too fast to the point it kicks you off the hypertube?

[shy mulch]

See above message. You're in for a headache if you do that. Just make a line for rods and a line for plates

[wide nacelle]

Yes, people build launchers on purpose to go flying

Unless im misunderstanding the question

[raw plume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7HL00TmG5k never seen that before

[shy mulch]

That's not what he asked though

Yes of course you can launch out the exit

[glacial geyser]

i mean by that from going so fast on the tube it bugs and kicks you off it before reaching the exit of the hypertube

[wide nacelle]

Aah

[raw plume]

just miner randomly stopping, seem to affect few of them around this area

[primal obsidian]

ughh the server i play on is down and i miss my jetpack

have to play just walking'

[tropic heath]

was there a hotfix that happened?

[primal obsidian]

and all the nodes close to me are all used

[low tartan]

there was a patch earlier

on PC anyway

[fervent sand]

No unless there’s a gap in the tube

[tropic heath]

god damnit i can't play on nvidia now because of it

i was aabout to start nuclear pasta

[shy mulch]

Do you have power switches nearby

[raw plume]

not nearby

although i think it might be related to the hoverpack bug hm

[shy mulch]

Known issue that usually causes that. If someone uses a hoverpack and switches from one power grid to another on 2 sides of a power switch, machines hooked up to it will stop for a couple seconds

[raw plume]

hmm

[glacial geyser]

weird its all conected and im having to re do the tube and its a very long one its like 4km

[raw plume]

might be it, this game is such a mess qualitywise

[shy mulch]

I disagree. I think it gets a huge amount of attention

There are very few bugs that are actually problematic

[sonic verge]

patch works! thank you so much! great devs!

[shy mulch]

And those that are, are easily avoidable

[dense ingot]

???

[raw plume]

it gets the attention in wrong places if anything, there is a lot of visual or other bugs that were there for years

[shy mulch]

Sounds like it gets attention in the right places if they are skipping over unimportant visual matters

[dense ingot]

Visual bugs are just that, visual. The only ones I have personally seen so far are so meaningless that I don't expect the devs to be patching it for at least another major update.

[glacial geyser]

true visuals dont really matter in an engieering game mostly that all works properly

[raw plume]

well, visual bugs are what is visible, actual bugs like fluids not working well or that hoverpack breaking stuff, trucks being incredibly buggy are harder to spot until you are well into game

[shy mulch]

All easily avoidable

[dense ingot]

As far as I know, those two issues were caused by the previous major update and it should be fixed in the next major update.

I'm not expecting miracles here, you seem to be.

[shy mulch]

Honestly I think sometimes people intentionally refuse to do simple workarounds for bugs because they like complaining about it

[mystic ibex]

I'm wanting to dive back into the game, having not played since several updates before release, but when I started up last night, I immediately felt weighed down by what I remember the early game being like. Is there any uploaded saves or something like that that gets past those first few hours?

[dense ingot]

I got the game when it came out for consoles, so I have no idea what this water issue that people keep talking about is, but I have not encountered it yet.

[shy mulch]

A lot of people make assumptions about how pipes work that are completely wrong and complain that they don't work, even though the work perfectly fine for people who take the time to understand them

[shy mulch]

Just play in creative mode. Or edit your save in SCIM to unlock a bunch of stuff

[spiral summit]

how do you do 0.25 nudge with signs

[fervent sand]

you can start at a higher tier with an advanced game mode

[flint grail]

I'm never trusting a game update again

[fervent sand]

what happened?

[zenith pecan]

What broke?

[flint grail]

A mod and the rollback method

[flint grail]

Rolling back is giving me issues

[shy mulch]

If a mod isn't working you can't exactly blame a game update for that

[flint grail]

It's moreso Steam being stupid

[dense ingot]

I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure there's a way to turn off automatic updates, which could probably help you with this issue. or more realistically prevent it in the future.

[zenith pecan]

As I have zero mod experience, I have no clue what the rollback thing even is, sorry 🙁

[dense ingot]

Loading a previous save

[zenith pecan]

Either I'm really dense at this point or there is something I'm missing, keeping a string of saves should work just fine for version control and undoing colossal mistakes.

[spice vector]

Chat is it better to bring the water to the coal or bring the coal to the water?

Or meet in the middle

[zenith pecan]

Move the coal, it is less likely to go wonky.

[ornate saffron]

coasl to water in my opinion

[spice vector]

That’s so much work

But if the chat says so then I will

[raw plume]

the proper solution is to not do either, and use coal that is already near water

[spice vector]

I have neither

[dense ingot]

I personally go for the approach to find a coal that is near water, but if that is not an option for you, bringing the coal to the water is the better approach.

[spice vector]

Dam

[dense ingot]

I can give you some coordinates, if you would like, A good location.

I have two places that I am aware of.

[spice vector]

Sure?

I’m in the grassy place

Or do I just stick to biofuel

[wicked nacelle]

no you get off biofuel as fast as possible

[raw plume]

if you are in the grassy place, there should be two tiny lakes, go directly north from western one

biofuel is useless for power production ever since they made powerplants wasteful

[wicked nacelle]

if you'r egiving away "location spoilers" you may as well just give him the map https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[spice vector]

What’s the cord of them

[wicked nacelle]

that doesn't seem relevant. biofuel is still exactly the same as it ever was so it's not any worse

[raw plume]

nah, its extremely relevant, biofuel is a manually created resource

previously you would only burn as much as you used, but now it burns as much as it can, so it runs out much faster

[wicked nacelle]

bioburners didn't change when they made the rest of the powerplants burn full rate

and while yes you should get off of it, what you said is irrelevant to why

@spice vector anyhow, here's the coal nodes: https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map#3.75;-49355;150307|gameLayer|coalImpure;coalNormal;coalPure

[spice vector]

The cords are confusing me

My on map if I type them it just types (0,0)

I’m on ps5

[reef basin]

see #math-and-meta message for alt recipe choices

[plain gate]

holy could you be any more unhelpful

[reef basin]

??

[ornate saffron]

@late warren I love that biome. its my new fav start

[plain gate]

anyways, choose iron wire if you have a lack of copper in your area, otherwise if you dont mind working with screws get bip

[fervent sand]

...yes?

[reef basin]

because link to a wiki article about how to pick alt recipes is unhelpful I guess

[ornate saffron]

you could just troll i suppose

[shy mulch]

give a man a fish and he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he will call you names and demand you give him a fish

[reef basin]

I could, but why would I troll a response to legit answer

[ornate saffron]

it was sarcasm. as you where being helpful

[dense ingot]

1773 2100

-1000 1500

[plain gate]

do u think a beginner after having read the article will have the foresight to realize bip is useless until mk4 belts

a lot of recipe choices are much more nuanced than "whatever you prefer"

[reef basin]

why so?

[plain gate]

iirc 270 screws at any reasonable oc% > mk3 (360)

[reef basin]

reasonable OC is 100%

[shy mulch]

being able to make those decisions and learn from them is a fairly major part of the game
if you rely on just doing what people tell you in the early game, your reliance on help will become completely unmanageable later

[plain gate]

we can still guide them in deciding

[bleak crypt]

My game crashes as soon as I try to place a rail in a blueprint. Can someone else test if I'm the only one experiencing this problem with the new update?

[shy mulch]

he did, he linked the wiki

[reef basin]

"I've been told X, but I don't like X" is indeed very common here, hence why we shouldn't spoonfeed answers

[plain gate]

if people play at 100% more than likely they don't need efficiency anyways

*resource efficiency if you like being pedantic

[reef basin]

bolted plate isn't for resource efficiency anyway

[plain gate]

is it not? mustve mixed them up lmao

oh yeah aip is the best not bip

nvm

[plain gate]

the wiki still tells you to... "choose yourself"

[fossil plume]

Vertical splitters / mergers issues still not fixed? Aligning, reconnection, etc

[reef basin]

which you should...

wiki also explains to you how to choose and what to take into account

[ornate saffron]

I havent tried since todays update.... worth looking into

[shy mulch]

a line has to be drawn somewhere, I assume you don't want us to just play the game for you and send you our save files?

[plain gate]

what it explains is pretty insubstantial and unuseful but... sure

[fossil plume]

Nothing in patch notes though... just hope for a silent fix or something... 😩

[plain gate]

no but we can point stuff out about recipes that are not mentioned in wikis

which is about most of the information

[reef basin]

go update the article then 🤷

[plain gate]

for example some alts need others to be useful at all

wikis don't point that out

[shy mulch]

what exactly isn't in the wiki

[shy mulch]

if you think that's relevant, then put it in the wiki

[reef basin]

uh, I wouldn't say so

do you have an example?

[dense ingot]

Quite frankly, the kind of people that need to be told this information are not the kind of people who I would recommend using alternative recipes at least initially. because you should be looking at a recipe and figuring out its inputs and then also the alternate recipe before you decide to pick a recipe. You shouldn't need to be told that.

Alternate recipes from my understanding are only useful when it comes to trying to optimize efficiencies of various things, 99% of the time. So if you can't even do the basic efficiency math, why are you trying to use them?

[plain gate]

recycled oil recipes iirc need df to be more efficient than regular recipes

[dense ingot]

Is what I've just said harsh? Probably. Do I care? Not so much.

[plain gate]

has the numbers changed?

[shy mulch]

not harsh enough

[plain gate]

not really they allow the player alternative ways to play

[dense ingot]

I shall not comment on my opinions as to what you said because I will probably get in trouble if I do comment on them.

[charred sandal]

#screenshots message

does this thing even exist??

[tall lantern]

alternate recipes give you other options that may or may not be useful depending on how you decide to build. They're different, not uniformly better or worse

[plain gate]

even if its stupid, they exist for choice

[shy mulch]

eh?

[reef basin]

yeah, but again, you're talking about (I assume) oil efficiency, but that's not the only property people optimise for

[crimson lantern]

What is "SAM" and how do I get it?

[plain gate]

what else can you possibly optimize for if you use a recycled loop without df

[shy mulch]

it's a resource, get it from a SAM node, same way you get iron from an iron node

[dense ingot]

I stand by my statement of if you can't do the basic efficiency calculations or even go as far as looking at each recipe at least once before you consider taking an alternate recipe then you really shouldn't be using them because quite frankly that would be common sense to compare an alternative recipe to the standard recipe because there's no guarantee an alternative way is a better way.

[plain gate]

power or space or time, better off building regular

[blissful agate]

Glowy purple node, usually in very out-of-the-way or senic areas

[reef basin]

converting rubber from poly resin to plastic, not loop, just one recycled recipe

[crimson lantern]

Ahhhhhh, ta

[plain gate]

oh yeah that is true

but i think thats a pretty small subcase

[dense ingot]

Having exactly one chain of refineries for producing both plastic and rubber, so instead of needing to split resources into multiple different directions, you just have one chain of refineries producing rubber or plastic, and then another chain of refineries converting that rubber or plastic into the other.

Like you said, alternative ways of playing.

[plain gate]

because why not use the oil fuel refs to make plastic instead

[reef basin]

and there's many more cases like these (I've seen a lot of people give me all sorts of less/more weird setups they built). The point is that telling them "go use X" or "you need X in combination with Y", they are "forced" to play the way you play, not the way they want to play

[dense ingot]

alternative ways of playing, which you did say yourself.

[zenith pecan]

I don't really do well with "forced" hence the tunnel networks for order.

[dense ingot]

There are a few resource nodes for it around the map, what it is, I'm not fully sure myself.

[zenith pecan]

There is quite a lot of SAM on the map, here's what it looks like when all of it is in one place #design-and-architecture message

[dense ingot]

Doesn't it have the second least resource nodes around the map, losing out to uranium?

[charred sandal]

Ive scoured this entire cliff looking for the node or a cave entrance

and nothing...

#screenshots message

[dense ingot]

it's on the opposite side of that mountain.

It is on that mountain though.

[charred sandal]

Do u know if its high or low

[ornate saffron]

what starting area did you choose?

[dense ingot]

I'm pretty sure it's relatively low.

[charred sandal]

were doing the dunes this time

Oh is it a cave entrance. I found a cave entrance blocked off on the opposite side

[dense ingot]

Also, pro tip, you can bring a conveyor belt out of that cave near where the node is going straight through a wall, but you need to get the placement pretty close to perfect.

[plain gate]

yeah we're not saying we can't do that but when someone asks about say, rp we can tell them that the recipe only gives you more res efficiency when paired with rr rfuel hor etc

[zenith pecan]

My approach for hard to get to or irritating nodes is from below #design-and-architecture message

[plain gate]

you're not gonna recommend someone do that lol if they ask about that recipe

[dense ingot]

I'm just saying for that particular node, you can send the conveyor belt straight through a wall and it has enough range to barely reach the surface nowhere near where the cave entrance is.

Obviously, this is only really useful if your base is not in the direction the cave entrance is facing, which is the case for me, which is why I know this.

[dense ingot]

if you care about resource efficiency you should be doing all that math yourself, don't count on the game to give that for you because clearly the game expects you to figure it out on your own.

[plain gate]

so wikis and guides shouldn't be written... gotcha

[desert charm]

played the game for 175 hours and i just now discovered there are multiple hotbars 😔

i kept manually swapping stuff whenever i was building

[reef basin]

for sure, but that's not what happens in 99% of cases

in 99% of cases, you get people reacting with 1️⃣ or 2️⃣, or telling them to pick one or the other (or reroll). New player then just takes the "majority" and doesn't think about anything.

I also have very good percentage of satisfaction with the answer I provide (the link I sent before), most people are glad to get that info and often tell me that they didn't know the recipes are subjective, they usually think there's a clear and best option to use in all cases always. In rare cases the person still asks for clarification about the recipes, in which case I provide it afterwards

[shy mulch]

took me a while to notice that too

[ornate saffron]

Anytips on how to make blockers nad Path signals clip to the track properly. seems like its random

[plain gate]

properly as in rotationally or laterally

[dense ingot]

I know there's multiple hot bars but I haven't found myself really needing it yet. How many are there total?

[ornate saffron]

as in Sometimes it shows the two circles sometimes it shows the Square

[ornate saffron]

there is 10 hot bars

[wicked nacelle]

10? 9?

[lapis cosmos]

how do i change from DIsmantle mode blueprint to just DIsmantle mode

thx

where can i go to find people who can help me?

[dense ingot]

On controller, it's down on d-pad, on keyboard and mouse, somewhere in the settings of the game it should tell you what the mode swap button is.

[lapis cosmos]

is anyone good at setting up gens

like coal gens

[ornate saffron]

you will be ^^

[dense ingot]

Fuel and coal I can do.

[lapis cosmos]

i need help

i think i made too many in a row

[dense ingot]

Are you on Xbox or some where else?

[lapis cosmos]

im on Steam

but its crossplay i think

[dense ingot]

that I will not be able to join you in help.

[lapis cosmos]

oh ok

[shrewd palm]

only crossplay between consoles

[lapis cosmos]

thats sad as hell

[dense ingot]

I can explain things or we can get a voice call and I can watch or I can show you my setup, but that's about it.

[lapis cosmos]

what if i stream to you in a call could you guide me?

[dense ingot]

Quite easily.

[lapis cosmos]

ya im down

[dense ingot]

respond to that DM I just sent you and then we can hope it ain't a voice call.

I don't know how long I have.

[lapis cosmos]

ok why#

[dense ingot]

There's no voice channels on this server so we have to voice call.

[reef basin]

heavily recommended to learn on your own, you'll need that knowledge in the future

[crimson lantern]

Are there any sulfur deposits near the grasslands?

[reef basin]

if you ping it, does it return anything?

[lapis cosmos]

ya i know but its my 1st time doing 32 Coal gens

[dense violet]

that's just 4 groups of 8 coal gens. No dif

[lapis cosmos]

ya but trying to make it work

[reef basin]

no better way to learn than to try it

[lapis cosmos]

yes sir

[dense violet]

sure, just ask specific questions though if you're having troubles, people telling you want to do every step makes you turn off your brain and you'll barely learn anything

[lapis cosmos]

i need someone who can show me the ropes like walk in into it in game

soo i can learn

that way

[dense violet]

Look, you do you, but poking around things on your own is a much more effective way to learn the basics.

ask specific questions when you run into a specific problem you can't get over

[lapis cosmos]

ya but i have to be showed to learn

[desert charm]

trial and error

[reef basin]

that's one of the problems why I don't recommend that - you won't learn anything, you'll just copy someone's build without knowing why they did it that way

best case scenario is that you actually realise why did they build it that way, but you're still copying someone else's factory, rather than making your own factory

aka don't copy someone's else's mistakes, make your own

[zenith pecan]

I've made some colossal mistakes, they were hilarious, but yeah don't copy those, they took ages 😛

[lapis cosmos]

lol

[tribal ingot]

can you upgrade a conveyer belt without removing it?

[reef basin]

yes

[tribal ingot]

how? I am on console

[reef basin]

same as on pc - have the belt you want to build selected and point at the belt you want to upgrade

[tribal ingot]

hmm ok ty

[minor pond]

I just bought satisfactory on my xbox

[versed mesa]

Hi all ive not played in days now

😭

[ornate saffron]

Withdrawl hitting you ?

[versed mesa]

Game withdrawal you mean ?

[dim cradle]

There's not really much to making a "correct build" in this game anyway, it's just basic math.

It's a question of what flavor of the basic math appeals to you in terms of recipes and that's about it.

[versed mesa]

@ornate saffron am struggling with my self and the game

[dim cradle]

Except diluted fuel, it's just plain better and there are a few other ones >_>

[lucid temple]

Got that one and am so thankful

[dapper marten]

If I use the truck station to take 2 different resources to point A, do I risk flooding it with just one?

[versed mesa]

Idk lol

[dim cradle]

Assuming your trip is short enough to where both throughputs combined can't fill up the entire buffer, and both are used or properly taken care of on the other side, it would probably be okay.

You would want smart splitters though.

[versed mesa]

Am happy for people that have better experience in setting up there factories and everything else than me am so jealous 😭

Now i must go have a cry

[dim cradle]

I think you'd want the combined throughput to be fully emptied each trip, too.

[sweet tusk]

Are lumens enabled on console? Can we use signs as lights here?

[lucid temple]

Man i dont even know how to make it look good... I'm working on my first mega factory and I got only iron and copper going in right now, and its ugly already

So if anyone has some tips for me 🤣

[reef basin]

tip: don't do megafactory

[ornate saffron]

my suggestion is not to make megafactories. To each tehre on but i prefer small modular factories where the resources are

[minor pond]

Brother, i haven't even played before 😭

[lucid temple]

Well right now I have my other factory that has every resource already going into it, but its horrible, cant even see where belts go. Would it be better to just rebuild all that?

[reef basin]

no, keep it, build new

[lucid temple]

I don't really want a "mega factory" so to speak, I want all my iron production in one spot, all my copper in another. I didnt know what to call it 😭

[versed mesa]

The game is cool but its get really thought and now am really struggling

[reef basin]

centralised factory probably

still not recommended

[lucid temple]

ah okay, ill have to figure out where i want to go next

[minor pond]

What's a factory design that i can do as a new player?

[lucid temple]

So just a mini factory on each node is what you recommend?

[reef basin]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency is what I recommend

[versed mesa]

Idk maybe start off as a Box lol

[ornate saffron]

i wouldnt say mini just dont ry to make everyhint in one giant location spread it out the map is huige

[lucid temple]

Ohh alright, I can do that then

I have nuclear power unlocked so I want to start going towards that but I think its more important to fix up my factory build. Most buildings sit at 0% efficiency because it gets stuck. Finally learned how belts and pipes work properly....

[ornate saffron]

you ll get tehre do some math bring up your effeciancy.

[versed mesa]

I agree this is what am struggling with now plus since ive not fully Automated transportation i dont know where to begin and my factories would need layed out proper i would say

This why I need to cry 😢

[lucid temple]

Thats why im rebuilding in a way, by the time i rebuild the bad parts of my previous factory, I'll have a whole new one built. I math'd out everything so far and have it all sinking while I run it for a bit to see how it runs. Everything at 100% so far

[stable prairie]

Seems I've glitched the game. My death crates are irradiated

[ornate saffron]

youll get there you can always build new factories in other locations as you build out your logistics network. If you have specific questions like "why X is broken" we can help.

[versed mesa]

I think ive given up trying now

[stable prairie]

I originally died near uranium and now any time I pick up my death crate, I take radiation damage

[dim cradle]

Idk why people say that one big factory approach is hard tbh. I found it easier...

[lucid temple]

Do you have anything in your inventory that is radioactive?

[ornate saffron]

is there uranium in the ccrate?

[stable prairie]

I got it hundreds of meters away from the uranium ore, yet it stays irradiated

[versed mesa]

What you mean why X is broken?

[stable prairie]

Shouldn't be, I'd die before I can collect it

[lucid temple]

I thought it was going to be, and genuinely seemed easier up to this point but now I'm having second thoughts. I might give it a try, if I don't like it, can always rebuild later

[versed mesa]

I understand

[ornate saffron]

when you dont know how to space your machinery or know how much you'll need for parts its hard. Also its easier on your Computer if it doesnt have to render ten billion machines at once

[lucid temple]

I need my jetpack back and make a better fuel than packaged fuel. This hover thing is annoying when expanding

[flint grail]

How do I make the menu ui bigger?

[versed mesa]

In settings

[ornate saffron]

Option- user interface - Hud

[flint grail]

For the menu ui?

[stable prairie]

Interesting, I apparently keep everything when I die now

[lucid temple]

I think my priority is to get a better jetpack fuel. So gonna do some research on this lol

[stable prairie]

And I don't know how seeing changing that setting would disable achievements

[versed mesa]

My options is extremely small

[ornate saffron]

console?

[versed mesa]

No windows

[lucid temple]

It doesn't

[versed mesa]

On Rog Ally

[dim cradle]

I mean I just shoved all my stuff wherever and it worked just fine. Just some blueprints for manifolds and it's fine. Well it was a little messy >.> #screenshots message

[flint grail]

What about for the pause menu?

[lucid temple]

I have a friend who plays with passive + keep inventory and still gets achievements

[dim cradle]

I guess it depends on how well you can mentally keep up with your stuff.

[stable prairie]

It told me when I made my first world that it'd disable achievements seeing it's an advanced setting

[ornate saffron]

in thje Hud section of user interface there is a slider for HUD Scaling

[lucid temple]

Keep inventory isn't, go to settings > gameplay

First 2 options can be adjusted and are player specific

[ornate saffron]

Keep inventory is a basic setting

[flint grail]

It says it does not scale the main menu, which I'm trying to do...

[ornate saffron]

no clue for the menus

[versed mesa]

Yeah i dont think you can really do it i think you mite be having same issue as me with options being so small hard to see the text

[stable prairie]

I somehow gathered 6 uranium

That's why I kept dying

[dim cradle]

Uranium in your inventory kills you fast.

[stable prairie]

Unless you're in a tractor

I can still get this uranium to my base

[dim cradle]

Well also unless you just reloaded the game.

[versed mesa]

Some time randomly I mite show clearer and can see it better but always alot i can not read shit lol

[dim cradle]

You have a safe period after reloading apparently

I used it to get some sloops out of uranium

It occurs to me that I beat ph5 without even having the hazmat suit unlocked >_>

[stable prairie]

I'm just glad vehicles make you invincible while driving

[dim cradle]

About the only good thing about em, drive like crap

[stable prairie]

I got the uranium inside my tractor, and now that's irradiated

[ornate saffron]

they are okay on roads....... i suck at driving in games in general though

[stable prairie]

I like how they handle, they feel proper

It's a cube, so of course it won't handle well

[ornate saffron]

take the uranium to somewhere out ofd the way and through it to the floor

[dapper marten]

I'll just use 2 different lol

[stable prairie]

Can it be put in the MAM?

[spice vector]

Bro my electrical is a mess

It works but it’s a complete mess

[wicked nacelle]

you can just trash uranium

it's only nuclear power waste products that youc an't trash

[spice vector]

You talking to me?

[dense violet]

most people's first systems are like that 🙂

[stable prairie]

I put it in a personal crate by the space elevator

[spice vector]

This game Is so confusing

I’m so confused to the point I understand it

[stable prairie]

What's wrong?

[spice vector]

It’s like knowing an equation without knowing what to put in the equation

[stable prairie]

A² + b² = c²

[spice vector]

Like I tripled my reinforcement steel plate things

And idk how

I just put stuff somewhere and it works

[stable prairie]

Did you add power shards?

[spice vector]

Nō

[clear spade]

when does power adomation start?

[stable prairie]

Coal

[clear spade]

i found a coal pach near mybase

[stable prairie]

Phase 2

[spice vector]

I tripped it by physically making 3 more

It is pretty nice to have automatic power

[stable prairie]

Triple the output is triple the consumption, increase your power supply

[clear spade]

do i rush to phase 2?

[spice vector]

I have

[stable prairie]

Go to a power pole and it'll tell you your power consumption and production

[spice vector]

And you want to know how?

[stable prairie]

It's pretty easy and I honestly recommend it

[spice vector]

By trippling the coal factory’s

[wicked nacelle]

rush to coal power then chillax 🙂

[stable prairie]

Are you having power fluctuations that spike above your max production?

[spice vector]

Nope

[clear spade]

im thinking about maakeing a tower for my base

[spice vector]

I made sure that that doesn’t happen

[clear spade]

like the frist floor is smelting and so on

[spice vector]

You can make a floor purely for smelting?

[fervent dust]

friends, what's the best way to split a fluid into multiple refineries?

[stable prairie]

Are you talking about water into coal generators?