satisfactory

[abstract heron]

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[ivory condor]

No its gone forever

[worldly pelican]

Where is the broom?

[abstract heron]

What is dis

That’s why ping delta

And dis

Thx delta

[ivory condor]

and sent to the shadow realm🙂

[worldly pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/roomba-funny-broomba-budget-broom-gif-14877721

[abstract heron]

Thx @worldly pelican you rock

[worldly pelican]

-# Mod abuse!

[abstract heron]

Bruh really

😂😂😀😀

[ivory condor]

no fair cheater you can't post gifs here

[true mulch]

Image perms are green name abuse as long as blue names don't get image perms

[abstract heron]

I wanna post gifs

[ivory condor]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-cat-peek-gif-10008520

[abstract heron]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-cat-peek-gif-10008520

[green fiber]

[ivory condor]

[nova igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

😭

[worldly pelican]

You already have image perms

-# Just not in this channel 😄

[true mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/satisfactory-wandering-leo-travolta-john-travolta-gif-11800287013058192999

dang it

[ornate saffron]

[abstract heron]

Really 😂😀

[dim cradle]

Wait do you just mean making 30 time crystals/min? I'm already doing that.

tho tbf I'm gonna have to split that off

to make other things eventually

At least the triangle things are really easy

[hard stump]

Dammit I was so hopeful the update would be live today I just want to play 🙁

[calm python]

For anyone who uses infinite nudge, my nudging started to work on a diagonal plane instead of straight right left up down, is this a setting i can adjust?

[crimson lantern]

HELLO LOWER LIFEFORMS!!!

I PERMIT YOU TO ANSWER ME THIS QUESTION

Any coal deposits in the grassy area?

[abstract trail]

Far and few between

So yes

[dim cradle]

I think there should be some out towards the cliffs where the waterfalls are at

near the Caterium over there

[crimson lantern]

You have done well young ones, I thank you

[dim cradle]

Although if you wanted spoilers you could have just googled the map... or scanned

Btw you can look on the map after scanning

It will tell you where the deposit is at and what the purity is

That was a nice little QoL thing

[crimson lantern]

This is very nice advice, you have earned yourself a spot in valhalla

[fair warren]

My game on Xbox keeps crashing when load the game I uninstall it and everything I can think of

[shy mulch]

If you're on Epic then check #announcements

Wait hang on, wheres the announcement on that crash? I thought it was there but can't see it now. Am I broken and misremembering things?

[thorn dagger]

• Please don't beg for keys/free copies of the game.

ok why bruh i was just gonna do that (for steam):/

[leaden turret]

We're also aware of a couple issues and especially an EOS related crash that's happening on both console platforms but especially on Xbox, both Series S/X. Our guard is hot on the crash's trail and we're looking at having a fix sorted as early as tomorrow, but due to patching routines for consoles we might not be able to push it live until next week

[shy mulch]

That's what I was looking for! Where did you find it?

[leaden turret]

right where you were looking.

I also missed it earlier today 😅

[crimson lantern]

There's a massive game breaking problem unfortunately

[shy mulch]

Aww shit, 3rd paragraph that's why. Attention span fail

[crimson lantern]

Sigh

Joke timing ruined

Will try again later

[shy mulch]

Please do. I love jokes, but usually miss them completely

[solemn crystal]

guys how does one get an organized factory

[leaden turret]

by organising it

[solemn crystal]

because my factories are organized(atleast in my POV 👻)

[solemn crystal]

but i seem to lack the ability of thinking ahead

and cram my factories harder than a hydraulic press

[leaden turret]

• build up
• look behind and restart when you wanna

[solemn crystal]

and then i have no space for belts

[leaden turret]

logistics floor

[solemn crystal]

and ill say “yeah i wont need more belts here”

then ill proceed to need belts thefe

[ornate saffron]

That is all that matters.

Personally I give myself rules so chaos doesn't take over. Like incoming resources always come from a designated direction every floor then output on the opposite side of the floor

[solemn crystal]

could work

[solemn crystal]

I want my factory to be representable to someone that dosent play the game

but my pasta squared hell isnt close to that

[frigid walrus]

Sup chat

[solemn crystal]

sometimes a man wants to have an efficient, organized factory

[ornate saffron]

Using blueprints helps too. This way you start thinking of the space in blueprinter footprints.

Logistics floors help with the spaghetti.

Also try to get the achievement for building to the maximum height. This will show you how high you can build.

[frigid walrus]

Fonally the games on ps5

[solemn crystal]

other times… he wants to send 500 drones from the void to a single drone port for no reason

[frigid walrus]

But yall dropped the game when im btoke

WHY

[solemn crystal]

Wait actually? W

[ornate saffron]

I had to sell my body and mind to get it

[solemn crystal]

bro just have money

[frigid walrus]

id sell my body to buy the game

I guess my solution is to find someone to gameshare i guess

[frigid walrus]

I need a job and thats hard go get

Or i could rob a gamestop

[solemn crystal]

No no like just, instead of not having money, just like, start having money

[ornate saffron]

Instead of having a unorganized factory, just have a organized one 😆

[solemn crystal]

Heres my epic plan, you go to the gamestop, and you do things there and like chores and then they literally give you their money for free!!! Its flawless

[solemn crystal]

Oh my god

Such wisdom…

[frigid walrus]

U gotta get hired first

[ornate saffron]

Lwts hope the sale gods bless you.

[solemn crystal]

i mean just rob a wishing well instead

👍

[shy mulch]

Here's a wildly off-topic but vaguely relevant and deep take
People who say money can't buy happiness are right
People who say that's nonsense are masking. They are unhappy and don't have money and think one is causing the other because it's an easy explanation
The truth is, some people are depressed, and the amount of money those people have is entirely irrelevant

[shrewd palm]

that makes sense

[steel kelp]

Its taking me ages to build satellite factories, i just spent like 2+ hours building a computer factory

[sturdy mural]

guys wth
#screenshots message a deconstruction crate merged this whole distance (jeff tower -> player)

[steel kelp]

Is there something i can do ti speed it up? Ig blueprints

[shy mulch]

You don't wanna see how much time some people spend on stuff like that

[reef basin]

the whole game is really kinda "slow"

you're not expected to build things in 5 minutes

[sturdy mural]

||what if - money does not buy happines itself, but can help you reach it||

[steel kelp]

But like im not building anything super crazy its like a 25 per min computer factory

[empty hill]

unfortunately each factory building must "look good" so a 50-ish hour game becomes 500 for me

[steel kelp]

I guess i just need to blueprint everything

[shy mulch]

That does make sense, but in my experience it doesn't really work like that

[shrewd palm]

it just took me like 2 days for heavy modular frames so dont feel too bad

[steel kelp]

I’m terrible at designing them aesthetically they all just look like boxes

[steel kelp]

Lmao im about to make mine ill lyk how it goes

[empty hill]

that is far more efficient so at least ADA will be happy

[shy mulch]

I'm at 1300 hours and still consider myself to be relatively newbie....

[steel kelp]

Yea im gonna make manifold blueprints before i do my hmf factory

How can i make it so the factory doesnt look like a cube every time lmao

[shy mulch]

Browse #screenshots for inspiration

[sturdy mural]

i mean, if you're struggling with money for necessities then more money would def help, no?

[shy mulch]

It reduces stress and anxiety, but will do nothing for depression

[sturdy mural]

wouldn't the reduced stress/anxiety help with it tho?

[shrewd palm]

i am really glad to be moving on to phase 4 now ngl

[steel kelp]

#screenshots message

[shrewd palm]

i have got some cool builds planned

[shy mulch]

You'd think so, but no

[dapper marten]

Fun story
Setting up first coal production and energy use
Testing optimal overclock set up
Get crazy when pumping water to Jumpstart the factory because I had 2/3 biomass gen shutted off🤣 which were causing costant shuts off
Fix it
Start overclocking coal energy
THIS TIME THE WHOLE BLOCKS OF HOUSES GOES OF FOR FEW SECONDS BRUH

[empty hill]

my two biggest changes for improving factory looks were 1: Not using the world grid and 2: Using the Curve Builder mod
Designing things in discrete 'factory buildings' connected by logistics made it so everything felt a bit more real but of course it takes up way more time

[charred sandal]

Man. My lift suddenly wont snap to a splitter 🙁

[sturdy mural]

DANGIT
why does it do that

i have to go all the way back now

[cunning meteor]

Does anyone know if the console version is mouse and keyboard compatible

[sturdy mural]

because my mercer sphere went THERE

also another 00 crate

[wicked nacelle]

Keep Mercer spheres in dimensional depot once you first unlock it. Don’t carry them or sloops in inventory

[sturdy mural]

i dismantled a depot.

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah but then upload the sphere from inventory uploader

[dim cradle]

It's okay I'm pretty sure I got you beat #screenshots message

It's okay if I know where things are, right

[uneven edge]

Should I rush to a specific tier if so what tier ?

[wicked nacelle]

Is that one long train station? You’ll never get decent throughput like that

[wicked nacelle]

Each tier gives you really important stuff so …

[sturdy mural]

this looks like if you told AI to create a screenshot from the game

[dim cradle]

Been working fine for the aluminum factories 🤷‍♂️

I let each cargo bay handle about 600/min each and give an industrial before before and after

and haven't had any slowdowns

[marsh river]

Is it going to be crossplay ?

Any1 know?

[empty hill]

anything past coal power feels pretty calm, I just go for speed before then

[marsh river]

Im playing on Ps5 and I cant play with my pc friend

[white dawn]

Personally I wouldn't recommend rushing anything; easier to get overwhelmed when you've got your choice of like 20 things to automate

[white dawn]

Correct, there is no console <-> PC crossplay

[marsh river]

Yet?

[white dawn]

No current plans to do so

[uneven edge]

Ok

[marsh river]

Oh ☹️

[uneven edge]

Ty

[marsh river]

Thx

[white dawn]

See #announcements message for rationale, etc

[dim cradle]

The only tier I would rush to is coal power to have automated power. Anything after that is a matter of preference for whatever you want to actually set up

Some people enjoy chainsawing and farming animals, I'm not one of them

[empty hill]

i sneer dismissively each time i pass my biomass power plant just so it knows it's temporary

[reef basin]

no, play at your own pace

[dim cradle]

Lol my bio burners are actually still up

They probably haven't used anything in a long time

[empty hill]

i think they're the only type of power plant that uses fuel "only when needed" so they could be very situationally useful

[dim cradle]

They're ok as basically an early game battery

They let you handle spikes without the grid shutting down

[shrewd palm]

might have to rush phase 4

[empty hill]

i will not make the mistake of tearing down biomass before setting up coal again

[shrewd palm]

not sure if i can go back to mk3 miners without mk6 belts

[shy mulch]

Why would you ever do that anyway

[dim cradle]

yeah as you could see in my picture, I never tore down anything...

[empty hill]

i didn't like biomass
I should've known it had my back

[dim cradle]

Everything new was built on top of everything old lol

Refactoring? What's that

[empty hill]

you avoid my eternal problem of wanting to tear things down & try again always

This may be why I never got past phase 4

[white dawn]

Some folks do well with teardown+rebuild, but IMO it's super easy to burn out if you're in that mindset

So much effort just to get yourself back to the same level of functionality you had before you even started doing so

Best to just make your peace with your past mistakes and leave the factory as-is, IMO, and try to do better on the next one. :)

[lucid temple]

Me when I did that and had to use a bunch of biofuel generators to try jumpstarting my coal

[empty hill]

Satisfactory has the benefit of being very "teardown friendly", all my hours of work just goes into a little dismantle box

Plus infinite resources means essentially no waste

[white dawn]

Definitely easier since they added unified dismantle crates

[charred sandal]

Is there a way to change the default direction of a hypertube junction?

What even determines it to begin with?

is the default left. I think thats it

[abstract heron]

The one for the junction

[charred sandal]

what

[abstract heron]

They added 2 junctions in 1.1

For the hyper tubes

[charred sandal]

Yes. Im using them. Was hoping there was a way to change the direction

the default direction

[abstract heron]

W a s d for then I think

If you don’t know

Test them

Make a area for testing

[charred sandal]

The default direction

[abstract heron]

When I learn I often make a testing area

[wicked nacelle]

.i have a creative mode game save for that

[abstract heron]

Or that @charred sandal where u have ags and cheat stuff for testing before adding it in your world

Where everything is unlocked and such

[fossil rampart]

Im just curious how long should it take for one assembler should take to make 1000 smart plating

[charred sandal]

It tells you the parts per minute on every machine

[granite pike]

Does anybody know if the Series X console of the game has problems.. I tried to do the multiplayer & as soon as I connected to my Epic games account it went to crashing the game.. I wanted to play it with a friend..

[ornate saffron]

There is issues with the multiplayer. Coffee stain is aware

[granite pike]

I hope it gets a patch because it will be fun having friends with you on the game..

[cunning siren]

I'm not sure what the defaults are for hypertubes AND I know that when using the branch hypertube I hit the E key to use the "other way"

[charred sandal]

God I wish I could actually rotate the branches

[cunning siren]

I do

[charred sandal]

You can flip it around but then its going the opposite direction

should be able to flip and rotate imo

like how you can rotate a pipe junction

[cunning siren]

Like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIwuDUSZApc

[charred sandal]

Yeah why cant I do that

[cunning siren]

Try making that hypertube cannon and find out

[charred sandal]

Ive made several

[cunning siren]

There may be a "trick" to it you are missing

[charred sandal]

ytf does it only work on a short stretch

[cunning siren]

🤷

[charred sandal]

Well thanks

[dim cradle]

Or even worse on the next one

you can always exceed your past mistakes

[white dawn]

Indeed!

[dim cradle]

#screenshots message Despite the mess I want to say that though that everything DOES work pretty efficiently in my factory outputs and inputs are properly balanced most of the time. Finding them? A little work >_>

[hard stump]

So any chance the update may be pushed this weekend?

[cunning siren]

From what I understand the patch cycle is out of this companies hands

[tardy onyx]

ive decided to make a new world after not playing for a year, which biome should i use, im kinda good btw

[cunning siren]

I think there are patching limits with the matching systems, that are currently "holding things up"

[reef basin]

no

[charred sandal]

TIL you can snap a water extractor in line with a pipe junction

[mighty rivet]

what update???

[white dawn]

Fixes for the console release, presumably

[dim cradle]

Idk what you mean by "kinda good" but I've used grasslands and desert. Grasslands doesn't have as many resources, but does have some decent caternium sources, and a lot of flat land to build. Dune desert is annoying to build on but has a lot of resources nearby so you'll take off faster. I haven't done the others

[cunning siren]

Works for inputs on machines too last I recall 🤔 Hummm at least I think so

[charred sandal]

That would make sense, ive just never needed it because you can snap machines to the foundation already :3

You can prob sink the foundation to do that, but ew

[dim cradle]

My first "I wish I knew this" about this game was that you can just look at a build and press CTRL+C to copy its config, without opening the menu at all

Then just press CTRL+V to paste it into any building you're looking at

[cunning siren]

IDK I got sick of all the siillyness with water extractors and got a blueprint that lets me nudge 😆

[dim cradle]

That would have saved me a lot of time setting up smelting lines

[charred sandal]

send it to me pls

[cunning siren]

Not sure if google drive links work: Infinite nudge water extractor blueprint: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zd_Ch9mWgRaOyKRBB0oGUw5SxMxTWgTW

[dim cradle]

wait did you actually manage to put a water extractor into a blueprint?

[charred sandal]

ngl i dont even know how to dl bps lol

[white dawn]

Sharing files is against #rules btw; should do it over DMs if you're gonna do it

[dim cradle]

I tried putting a blueprint machine underwater

[cunning siren]

OH I did not know

[white dawn]

(And folks accepting files over DMs are advised to make sure they trust the file coming in. :)

[dim cradle]

but couldn't put an extractor in there still

[sturdy mural]

imo its like that until you max out your resources
like
you have a 60 plates/min factory with mk4 belts and mk2 miners? let it be if its not an issue

but if you unlock the mk3 miners and mk6 belts? you could go for an upgrade maybe

[dim cradle]

You can upgrade without tearing down the old one though

[white dawn]

Yeah, no worries; it's not necessarily an obvious rule. I ran afoul of it myself in the past. :) Basically all just down to difficulty/impossibility of properly moderating and checking for viruses and such

[dim cradle]

All you have to do is plop down a new miner and then put a split in there. You know the old one is just using 60/min or w/e

Just subtract that from the total on the new belt

[white dawn]

Nah, that's when it's time to continue expanding. :)

The map is huge, and there are far more resources on it than many players realize

You really have to try hard to actually exhaust resources on the map

Sure, you might exhaust a "local" node or three, but I guarantee you there is more than you're ever going to use on the map

[sturdy mural]

atp i'd have 50 factories of iron plates

[dim cradle]

By which you mean that you have to build like 3 million pure ingot refiners

Which will by themselves take up half the map

[white dawn]

Sure, entirely reasonable. Just make the iron plates right inside whatever factory needs iron plates

(ditto for any other resource)

Make it all locally, from ore->product. :)

[sturdy mural]

but they're not at all convenient location wise 😔

[dim cradle]

I've set up a pure ingot refiner line for just a mk2 on a pure node

[sturdy mural]

depot:

[dim cradle]

600/min takes like 25 refiners to do...

[wicked nacelle]

The challenge of the game is that they’re not supposed to be convenient

[white dawn]

For pioneer transit, you've got ziplines+powertowers, vehicles, trains, hypertubes, parachutes, etc.

[dim cradle]

I was like dear god so much space

[white dawn]

For pioneer inventory you've got Dimensional Depots

If you want to do a "central storage" type thing, you can do so as well, in which case, yeah, you've gotta make use of belts/vehicles/trains/drones/whatever to get the materials over to the central storage

[dim cradle]

tbf like space is unlimited but refiner smelting takes up so much space it's kind of absurd, it makes it hard to keep track of

[white dawn]

But expanding over the map with lots of little factories is, in the end, far easier than trying to centralize things (in general, and of course IMO)

Though that's an understanding that might take a playthrough or two to sink in. :)

[maiden token]

Power in this game is a pain

[sturdy mural]

ngl size is wild
you can place 10 machines instead of 4 @ 250%

[wicked nacelle]

Hypertube cannons are all you need to move yourself around efficiently. You can get anywhere on the map in 30s and are trivial to blueprint

[reef basin]

why so?

[maiden token]

I’m struggling at the beginning before coal

[dim cradle]

Yeah arguably there's basically no way to do pure ingot refining other than doing 250/machine, because otherwise it just ends up almost unmanageably large

[white dawn]

Ah, yes, Phase 1 power (bio fuels) is, indeed, a pain.

[sturdy mural]

i made a nuclear powerplant and now the Capacity is in the middle between Max Usage and Usage

[unkempt blade]

but with none of the joy and excitement of a good factory cart voyage

[white dawn]

That's sort of intentional and meant to spur you on to get to the next power level (which is fully autoamted)

[cunning siren]

Yea, this is one reason some folk build "UP" or down in some cases to avoid geography for massive manifolds and less limits on build space

[dim cradle]

Yeah I tried that, I made a vertical manifold blueprint for refineries but...

it was 8 floors of 3 refiners each, leading it to be absurdly tall

[wicked nacelle]

It is an odd challenge in the game in that it goes away. Other parts of the game build on each other but bio power is just a pu fishnet. For being new

[white dawn]

One thing which can help: Have a couple of bins where you can dump your wood/leaves and maybe alien remains. Belt those over to machines which process them into biomass, and then into "solid biofuel." Then belt that solid biofuel directly into the burners.

[dim cradle]

it was kind of hilarious

[maiden token]

Yeah but I gotta automate the supplies that make it. That means more power 😭

[white dawn]

That way you just come back from exploration/harvesting, dump your stuff in the bins, and your burners end up getting all the power they need

[wicked nacelle]

Not much more power though

[charred sandal]

#screenshots message

Lmao wtf is even this

[maiden token]

I do that

[white dawn]

Solid Biofuel in particular lasts a lot longer than any of the previous steps; really takes the edge off that phase

[cunning siren]

No not like that. More like using infinite floor hole bug to reach an altitude where there is no geography in any direction and making a sky cube thing basically

[white dawn]

Yeah, it's definitely A Thing™. :) You'll get through it! Persevere! The next tier of power can be fully automated, at which point there's literally no other "pressure" in the game

[sturdy mural]

water extractor

[unkempt blade]

an air extractor for nitrogen distilation

[dim cradle]

Oh, I don't do bugs though

[white dawn]

Few people like the bio-mass-harvesting loop of the very early game, though once you're used to it it's easy enough to tolerate and get through. :)

[fast cosmos]

I've been playing for 10 hours and I just finished the first mission of the space elevator. I'm a complete beginner, any advice or anything important I should keep in mind?

[charred sandal]

does it even need to be anywhere near water then

[white dawn]

Ignore this Discord, ignore youtube, ignore streamers. Play the game at your own pace, have fun learning things, and make your own mistakes, not someone else's. :)

[sturdy mural]

dont be afraid of taking "too much space" with a factory

[wicked nacelle]

Get the chainsaw cut down a. Ton of wood. Turn it into biomass by hand the put that in a container feeding a solid biomass constructor and that will get you to coal without worrying about power anymore

[cunning siren]

Ok, well in that case try extending a lift as far as it will go up and then build from there. OR join a few of those max extended lifts if you don't want to use the bug

[unkempt blade]

If you plug it in does it start making water? Should be easy to test

[charred sandal]

BP extractor doesnt require water. how weird.

[dim cradle]

Just one simple piece of advice. Everything begins with a step. Make something first, maybe stockpile it a bit in case you need it to build buildings, worry about optimizing later.

[fast cosmos]

Ok thanks

[wicked nacelle]

In 5-10 minutes of cutting trees you’ll be done with biopower collection for the rest of the game if you’re near enough to cut down

[white dawn]

That's 'cause extractors can't be put into blueprints without shenanigans. :) Any placed water extractor is assumed to have been put down "legit"

[dim cradle]

Yeah how did you even get an extractor into a blueprint? I tried putting a blueprint machine under water but it still didn't let me place it inside

[wicked nacelle]

And since bio burners only burn the correct. Amount there’s no rush based purely on time

[white dawn]

Mods or external-game tools

[wicked nacelle]

Default you cannot

[unkempt blade]

advice: have fun figuring stuff out and don't use the internet too much the first playthrough

[cunning siren]

Apparently there is a mod called infinite nudge AND it's possible it was a pre 1.0 blueprint that had less limitations on it

Mix those two together and who knows what is possible

[dim cradle]

I see, I played long before blueprints and then didn't play again until very recently so

I missed the "golden era" I guess

would be funny if it let you lure an animal into a blueprint and place it along with the surroundings

It would take meat out of your inventory

[empty hill]

today feels like a golden era with 1.1 having so many useful QoL changes

I'm glad I reinstalled after the update

[cunning siren]

Yea, I plan on checking out the elevator today

[empty hill]

i wasn't even aware dismantling crash sites was a 1.1 thing, but it's nice for early game

[fast cosmos]

Nice profile photo

[dim cradle]

Hmm tbh dismantling doesn't give much though, it's usually the resources lying around it

[charred sandal]

Man shits driving me crazy.

My lift from the splitter is snapping to my machine, I can hear the sound, but its not going in

[karmic elm]

Foundations are gonna help you stay organized

[empty hill]

Jill pfp solidarity 🤝

[dim cradle]

Or foundations will be all over your entire map

[hard junco]

hey any ideas on what to add under these foundations like a support or something instead of just adding more foundations i hate that they are flying like this lol #screenshots

[dim cradle]

whichever

[white dawn]

Even prior to 1.0 it required shenanigans to get them in there. You ordinarily couldn't do it

I think even back then it was generally mods which let people do it

[empty hill]

also Straight and Curved pipeline modes being 1.1 is crazy, I use those too much for them to be so new

[karmic elm]

I thought they were always there and i just didn't know

Cus i played a bit with my friends in 1.0

And never noticed

[dim cradle]

@wicked nacelle why didn't you think the train would get good throughput though just curious

Just because of the amount of slowdown for each docking session?

[charred sandal]

Im placing a splitter directly onto a belt while snapping it in line with a lift. I have done this hundreds of times.

But it is not working. It will place it on the belt, and its 100% on the belt because the belt is split into two when I try and dismantle the belt, but it wont split. Nothing will come out the side. wtf is going on

[karmic elm]

Show me

[dim cradle]

Are you accidentally placing a smart splitter?

[karmic elm]

That's what i was thinking

[charred sandal]

no, it wasnt.

I did it like 6 times and it wouldnt work, and then of course when I go do it to take a screen shot it works

[karmic elm]

Perfect!

If it works don't change it

[fast cosmos]

Should I quickly connect all the factories, or is that not so important at the beginning? I've only completed the first objective, the space elevator, so far.

[white dawn]

Up to you! Personally I prefer smaller totally-independent factories

[dim cradle]

Not sure what you mean by "connect all the factories"

I guess I'm a big single factory kind of person though, I transport everything back to home base

[white dawn]

(You will find that the answer to that kind of thing is nearly always "whatever you want." It's a fairly sandboxy game even when you're going through milestones, and there's rarely a "right" answer)

(Unless the question is "factory carts?" in which case the answer is "👍")

[dim cradle]

and there have been a lot of advantages to doing that tbh. There are definitely some advantages to spreading your factories out across the map, but I've enjoyed having everything in one spot

[turbid kayak]

is the full map on console?

[dim cradle]

I think if I wasn't playing solo, I would probably spread them out though

[white dawn]

If you ever do find yourself running into problems as the result of decisions you made in the past, of course, remember that it's never too late to change strategies. :) Can leave the stuff you're frustrated with to just work as well as it's gonna and then try new stuff for the new factories. :)

[fast cosmos]

So there's no right way to do things? There are several better and worse but viable ways?

[dim cradle]

it's easier to collaborate if things are spread out so people can work on different aspects

[karmic elm]

I haven't played alot, and i tried making one big factory, i personally found it easier to make multiple small factories for a group of items

[karmic elm]

Each has its pros and cons

[white dawn]

There are some things which, IMO, can help deal with common problems that first-time players run into, but I'd hesitate to call much of anything "better" or "worse"

(I do, of course, have my own opinions which tends to prefer those strategies, but that's far from universal. :D If folks come in complaining of problems which I think my opinions will solve, I'll espouse 'em. :)

[dim cradle]

Try making a spaghetti factory with belts criss crossing every which way, with machines placed haphazardly.

[fast cosmos]

So to complete the game or progress I don't have to do those crazy things I see on YouTube or websites?

[dim cradle]

If you can keep track of it and are comfortable with it, big factory style will be easy regardless of whether you want it or not

[wicked nacelle]

Presumably you’re making a lot of stops to fill up a 20 car train or however long that is so you’re unlikely to get it back to the stop in the screenshot until well before it’s empty and idling. And if you have a bunch of 20 car long trains then that seems like a rail building nightmare. I would generally consider 8 freight cars the max useful train length. Make multiple stations for sure but put them on side tracks dedicated to that station.

[white dawn]

As I say occasionally, on my first playthrough I was basically doing literally everything at about the opposite way that I tend to recommend to folks nowadays, but I still had a great time doing it

[dim cradle]

If you want to pace yourself and keep it modular, small spread factories is good

[white dawn]

In the end, the metric for success with the game is "am I having fun?" So long as that's "yes" then you're doing it right. :)

[dim cradle]

Oh no, it's only one stop. And it's actually relatively close by. I can show you on the map if you want

I decided on it because it had a lot off things clustered nearby

I decided on it because it would be easier than building a crapton of belts back to base

[wicked nacelle]

Then that seems an unnecessary number of cars. A freight station supports about 2000 items/minute at full tech tier.

And it looked like you had about 20 platforms

[fast cosmos]

What happens to me is that I try to understand everything and I get stressed out haha, and when I watch a video it blows my mind

[bold ice]

With trains I have one big factory where all resources are poured into. 20 platforms to receive all goodies. My train track goes around the map and it has about 10 trains on it going loop.

[white dawn]

Taking things one step at a time is key. You don't need to understand everything all at once. :) Remember that apart from early-game biomass collection, there's literally no pressure in the game whatsoever. Sometimes it takes folks hundreds of hours to "finish" the game

[peak wasp]

how to set priority splitter for block an lexit until other is full?

[white dawn]

(And also, yeah, ignore youtube. (and for that matter, ignore this Discord. Just have fun and make your own mistakes. :))

[wicked nacelle]

And even early game biomass if you run out you just put more in and you’re back up. And you only burn it at the rate you use it

[white dawn]

Smart Splitter with one output set to "Any," and another set to "Overflow"

[wicked nacelle]

So it’s really not stressful per se

[white dawn]

So long as the belt hooked up to "Any" isn't backed up, all material will go there. Once the belt is backed up, material will start going down Overflow

[peak wasp]

thanks very much 😄

[dim cradle]

There are actually a lot of pure nodes close to that train, but the idea was to use it as a "hub train". I would basically have trains go over to it and then dock nearby and then belt their items over to it.

Since it's kind of central... ish...

But uh...

I'm too lazy to actually make more trains rn

so it's just mostly empty lol. Just bauxite, some quartz, some coal

[wicked nacelle]

Are you doing highway style
Two rail? If not then yeah adding rail sucks because you have to make a whole new full path each time

[dim cradle]

I was just going to make brand new rail to wherever the resource was, then just have it pull up near this train station. Items would just be belted straight from one to the other

I'm not going to make intersections and stuff, too lazy

[karmic elm]

I learned alot from watching playthroughs

[wicked nacelle]

But it’s LESS work to do that once you understand it. That’s why I do make them. Because I’m lazy

[dim cradle]

I could see that if they can share the same rail line for a decent amount of the way there but...

That seems like it would invariably lower throughput

🤔

Is there any reason over just doing the separate station and belting approach?

[fast cosmos]

Are the power shards infinite?

[reef basin]

yes

[cedar rock]

Hello everyone im early game what is the best way to earn shop points?

[turbid merlin]

Items from crash pod sites

[rotund blaze]

when I lock a ghost in place with H, the game says I can "vertical nudge" with page up/page down, but this doesnt work...

[turbid merlin]

Or alien dna

[dim cradle]

Find some SAM (purple stuff), belt it into a constructor, if you have a sloop put it in that constructor, sink it

[wicked nacelle]

Eventually

[dim cradle]

That will earn you a lot of coupons over time

[reef basin]

sink things you're making

[wicked nacelle]

I’ve seen other people say that but I think they messed with key bindings

[white dawn]

Some more verbose expansion to the "yes" answer, for completion's sake:

1. There are a finite amount of power slugs on the map, and they do not respawn. The slugs on the map by themselves are generally more than enough for most folks' power shard needs, though
2. If you tame lizard doggos, they will occasionally bring you more power slugs, so those are technically infinite anyway as well.
3. Eventually (Tier 9 / Phase 5) you can automate production of power shards, so they're also infinite then

[true mulch]

the MAM has resources you can research but have no use for in the early game (there are 4 total), find them, make some basic parts and sink them

[rotund blaze]

default keybinds

[cedar rock]

what would you recommend?

[wicked nacelle]

Weird. It def works and most people have no problem. Do you have a small keyboard or a laptop keyboard where you need to press an FN key or something?

And horizontal nudging works fine I assume?

[true mulch]

ALL of them. SAM is probably the best

[rotund blaze]

I have a 100% keyboard

[rotund blaze]

yes

[dim cradle]

What advantages do you get from this btw, just less track due to it being shareable?

[proud hull]

Hey, Im in the last stage of phase 3 trying to get the adaptive control units and am started to plateu because I'm still based in the grass fields, can anyone steer me slightly?

[wicked nacelle]

Super weird I don’t know.

[white dawn]

Start expanding! It's a huge map, with a ton of resources.

Your ACU factory doesn't have to be near your existing stuff

[wicked nacelle]

Yes. When you build a new factory you just build a short rail expansion and you instantly have access to every other station on your rail.

[white dawn]

Grass Fields is actually (IMO) a great starting place for just that reason - has some extra encouragement to start getting in the habit of expansion. :)

[wicked nacelle]

So you can get stuff and send stuff everywhere. The bigger your rail system the more benefits you get

[true mulch]

you never ever have to reuse existing factories, you can always just go far away and make everything from scratch

the same amount of products will use the same amount of machines, just arranged differently

[dim cradle]

Grass fields also has a lot of flat land

so very easy to build on initially

[white dawn]

Keep in mind that you can dismantle both your HUB and Space Elevator without losing any progress, in case you wanted to just relocate those near wherever you're currently building. :)

[wicked nacelle]

The only “perfect”
Spawn is the west coast spawn.

It has everything but not enough so you have to expand anyhow

[proud hull]

whats a good area to look for a second operating range for mid-game then? Appreciate all the advice!

[dim cradle]

But isn't the common segment locked down while any train is moving through it?

[true mulch]

track reusability is the huge reason why trains are so great compared to trucks, you're entirely correct

[true mulch]

you build block signals all along

[dim cradle]

So what they just kind of stutter along, or do you have to base it on their movement speed?

[wicked nacelle]

I don’t know what you mean. You put signals in to break up the track segments so you can have a bunch of trains

[true mulch]

they don't stutter along

it "just" works

[wicked nacelle]

You put a signal every 3-4 train lengths

[hard ivy]

no, they just all drive at full speed

[true mulch]

3-4 track lengths in my case 😛

[dim cradle]

That's kind of confusing because if they move fast enough to get to the next train, which gets to the next train, or another train occupies that segment they'd have to stop. I guess that's what you meant by highway, to make it so all of them are moving int he same direction

Do you have synchronise leave times

[wicked nacelle]

No they figure it out themselves

[hard ivy]

the train behind isn't gonna be faster than the one in front. once they're far enough apart, both just drive at max speed and don't get any closer together

[wicked nacelle]

Trust that it works 🙂

If your signal lengths aren’t consistent one may “stutter” for a bit but eventually the distance sorts itself out

There is a limit to train density where things start breaking down but I’ve found that to be in the 100-150 train count for a large rail system.

I’ve had to go back and change some rail paths and do nontrivial intersections to fix traffic jams at popular spots

[hard ivy]

the denser your signals, the more trains you can fit on the track

up to 1 every ~200 m

[dim cradle]

I guess I'll consider that approach if I ever need anything across the map

I tried a drone for nitrogen though and I gotta say it's pretty good

Might try more drones

Just dunno how much a drone can move

[wicked nacelle]

Nitrogen is great for trains because you can easily send back the empties

[dim cradle]

Drones it's even easier

[hard ivy]

1-3 stacks/min is a decent estimate usually

[dim cradle]

They can fly the empties back and then take the filled ones

because they split the inventory between in/out for each port for them

[hard ivy]

so can a train if you use 2 stations

[dim cradle]

but it's just one station, no rail, just flies over there and comes back, it's pretty nice

they can also use fuel lol so pretty easy to keep going

[proud hull]

Looking at the resource map I'm noticing very diverse and pure nodes in the top left rocky desert, is it a decent place to operate from?

[dim cradle]

On the other hand I'm looking at what the station says for the throughput of this drone and it says 2.53 stacks a minute...

[cunning siren]

I did that start this play through and oooof, pure resource nodes are pretty far away from starting area. Tends to make the start a bit slower as it costs more power to make the same resources with impure and normal nodes 🤷. Kind of slows down the start if one does not know where the pures are in this start

[dim cradle]

that's fine for Nitrogen but for ore you'd need like 6 drone bases to move the entire capacity

[dim cradle]

As someone said it kind of does incentivize natural exploration and getting used to transportation methods though, so it's not all bad

In the desert you can just sit on your butt and belt it back for a lot of the game lol

Plus grasslands look pretty nice

[cunning siren]

Yea, maybe If I did not try a belt only run with my first Grass Fields run that would change things

[dim cradle]

the only bad thing about desert is kind of oil

that is a bit far. Arguably Bauxite too, but by then you have methods

[rotund blaze]

welp my keyboard has a defective PCB (again) - 3 keys in a row just dont work at all, not even backlight effect reactions

so its not the game, but Keychron being a garbage company...

[cunning siren]

$10 keyboard here workin fine

[rotund blaze]

I dont like basic office keyboards for personal use

[hard ivy]

$200 KB here workin fine

[rotund blaze]

I spend 170€ on this

[dim cradle]

50$ or so keyboard here, working fine.

[cunning siren]

I've got 19 more $10 keyboards in my closet for when this one craps out 😆

[dim cradle]

it's a logitech TKL, fairly inexpensive but decent quality tbh

[rotund blaze]

I used to run a sharkoon board which honestly was the best board I ever had

its sadly discontinued... 120€ and it was indestructible for 8 years

[dim cradle]

Ah I found it's the Logitech G413 TKL SE.

[paper geode]

someone please tell me theres a mod for PC/console crossplay

[dim cradle]

Got like 4 of them around the house I think

[hard ivy]

no, and I doubt there's ever gonna be one

[paper geode]

FA-

[mortal ginkgo]

Thats not something one can mod lol.

[paper geode]

FA-

[cunning siren]

If it were as simple as a mod... it would already be a thing

[mortal ginkgo]

Casual gamer thinking everything can be modded. I kek at these gamers. Kek.

What's next gonna be modded? My mom? Kek.

[cunning siren]

To be fair I remember when Stardew Valley had multiplayer mods before it was an in game feature so 🤷 not uncommon for smaller groups of people working on it. (In this case 1 person)

[paper geode]

##COFFEE STAIN STUDIOS

##GIVE US PC/CONSOLE CROSSPLAY AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[mortal ginkgo]

Yeah but could they mod my mom in? Heh. I don't think so BROTHERMAN.

[cunning siren]

With code anything is possible. Probable? Nope

[dim cradle]

I guess it depends on whether they have any incentive to put your mother in the game

[proud hull]

Are there any pure uranium nodes?

Thought so...

[dim cradle]

I haven't even used Uranium at all so far and I'm doing just fine (*), so who needs Uranium

[proud hull]

Is the rocky desert a decent location for a large scale factory?

[cunning siren]

I did it one run and was very unimpressed 🤷 lot of work for not much benefit

[dim cradle]

This sloop/geo only run might get kind of challenging in phase 5 though.

I'm basically having to wait for all 170 remaining nuclear pasta to trickle into the elevator before I can do much more

[cedar rock]

Was there a color combo to see the holograms clearly?

[dim cradle]

because that thing's using like 7GW at max, and that's a lot for my grid

[cunning siren]

Yea, you can do it there. Need to make sure you start building over some of the higher points in the area though. It's rough to get "boxed in" by geography

[dim cradle]

Eh you have a lot of vertical transportation methods though

[mortal ginkgo]

the biggest challenge is how to not get bored putting the 9234830480923th Fuel Gen and resist being the 358939058309th in Satisfactory reddit that shows thousands of fuel gen floating on sky over a ficsit default foundation

I kek at fuel gen enjoyers.

Kek.

[dim cradle]

worst case can just make more floors

[dim cradle]

Well glad I avoided that I guess

Full hipster, no fuel plants at all

Heck it's not even researched

[waxen robin]

I second this

[dim cradle]

you know it's a pity that launch pads count as powered buildings

unfortunately makes one method of meat farming impossible

they can't spawn anymore if you carpet the ground with them

[mortal ginkgo]

I think you can do it with.. downlocked buildings?

[dim cradle]

nah, I can even overclock and sloop some of the late game buildings. Not many though.

[maiden token]

Be m3, so exited to to start coal production… water is down a literal sink whole 😭 bro why can’t they just let me take it down the mountain

[shrewd palm]

Why not see if there’s any coal there …

[dim cradle]

current power allowance is about

[shrewd palm]

You might be surprised

[dim cradle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1436360729958678559/image.png

[hard ivy]

nah, they're exaggerating (as always). 1 gen is 250 MW. 80 is more than enough for phase 3, maybe halfway into 4, and then when you do RF, you should have enough shards to do idk, 144 max OC gens and that's 90 GW

[cunning siren]

Yea phase 5 is the most power hungry part of the run, I usually do all geo's up to that point then build other power 🤷 but I often am very slow and lazy about many things too so not a speedrun situation at all

[dim cradle]

It's still doing ok

I had to take down one of my sloop gens because I needed the sloops though

did hurt a bit

[cunning siren]

Haveing "all" the sloops is super nice AND a curse if you are doing a low power run 😆

[fiery pewter]

#screenshots message
I am so slow, this took me 2,5 hours to set up

[deft wagon]

if you're new that's normal

[dim cradle]

I wish they had like 109 sloops in teh game or something.

9 instead of 3 would be enough for me to sloop most things I needed to without sacrificing that last gen

oh well

[fiery pewter]

I have like 300-400 hours

Been playing since U8

[deft wagon]

how on earth

[cunning siren]

I've never used a for power gen

[dim cradle]

still got over 2 hours left on this 150 nuclear pasta on the obj... sigh

[fiery pewter]

I play rarely

[cunning siren]

Seems like a waste unless you are doing a specific challange run

[fiery pewter]

Too much stuff going on

[deft wagon]

you have 400 hours!

[deft wagon]

the power augmenter?

[fiery pewter]

335,5 hours

[cunning siren]

That or... slooping rocket fuel or something like that

[dim cradle]

I have over 500 hours apparently but I leave the game on idling all the time

[fiery pewter]

Furthest I've gotten
-# three times in a row
Is right before fuel power

[leaden turret]

irregular reminder that idle crafting is paying microtransactions to your energy provider

[dim cradle]

just set the game to the lowest resolution, windowed mode, and minimize it

Sips juice

[leaden turret]

run on dedicated server, no gpu rendering needed

[dim cradle]

Do dedicated servers actually keep running with no connected users

or do they pause

[leaden turret]

might be configurable 🤷‍♂️

[hard ivy]

afaik it is

[dim cradle]

It's definitely configurable in Factorio, for good reason

You don't do that, base will be gone when you come back

[cunning siren]

There are video driver options that help AFK power, heat, fan noise GPU situations Nvidia calls the setting "Background Application Max Frame Rate" AMD calls it "Radeon Chill"

[leaden turret]

could also ask @balmy kiln nicely to add a "advance time by x" button to auto-fill storage with detected production 😛

[dim cradle]

That'd just be hax

[cunning siren]

Wuuut? Naw

[dim cradle]

It would be like that one hit LN, "I kept pressing the million year button and something or other"

[cunning siren]

It just limits frame rate when not the primary focus

It's not magical

[dim cradle]

I meant Marv's suggestion

[cunning siren]

OH

[deft wagon]

meh
never done it myself

[cunning siren]

Yea, there are hax that can "speed time" with games, kind of lame IMO but whatever it's a single player game so party on

[dim cradle]

yeah not like I can say much since I'm sleeping through production lol

but at least it's kind of legit

I mean it is a factory that's running

[cunning siren]

I'm all for doing whatever you can enjoy 🤷 It's not my job to be the authority of "right and wrong" 😆

[cobalt stump]

Recently picked up the game on PS5, got to tier one fairly easily. Any tips going forward? 😅😂

[dim cradle]

Wonder what would be faster for transportation around the base.... hypertube or just shoving a mk6 belt right above it

[cunning siren]

It sounds like you are in phase 5 so, portals? 🤷

[dim cradle]

haven't gotten around to producing those enough

[reef basin]

play the game, ignore tutorials and this discord, learn on your own 🙂

[dim cradle]

or actually no they're not unlocked

portals do sound op

even if it's like 1/min I'd like to make those

these buildings are so bloody power hungry though

[cunning siren]

Yea, you may have to break your geo only run for that

[dapper glen]

can u blame me? power tastes good...

[dim cradle]

I think it'll be ok, I just need to wait for the remaining 140 nuclear pasta to finish

[dapper glen]

also hi chat

[dim cradle]

that'll free up a lot of overhead

[cunning siren]

Are you using alien power augmenters too?

[dim cradle]

yeah 9 of them, I sent a pic earlier of how much power I got atm

would be 10 but need some sloops for slooping

#screenshots message

So far it's holding up, making 30 crystals/min in a 250% data thing with sloops in it

but getting tight with the slooped non-oc pasta machine

[cunning siren]

Are you using dark matter trap alt?

[dim cradle]

Don't think I have that yet to try the alt recipe, gonna have it soon tho

pods take forever to come back lo

[ivory orchid]

anyone know a fix to the xbox bugs

[reef basin]

probably developers

[dim cradle]

Oh wait you need nuclear pasta for the singularity whatevers

welp...

[cunning siren]

Oooooof

😆

[dim cradle]

I think it'll be doable, but it won't be fast

[cunning siren]

Yea, thats like 5k power right there for 25 cells

[ivory orchid]

bought the game on xbox for it to be unplayable bro what is this

[wicked nacelle]

Lots of people here on Xbox doing fine

[dim cradle]

If I just let the pasta machine run at non-slooped speeds, it'll just make 0.5/min. So that'll be half speed but I'll get a lot of energy back so eh

[cunning siren]

Since you got all the sloops, consider underclocking with sloops 🤷

[wicked nacelle]

???

[dim cradle]

would it even make a diff?

sloops increase usage by a lot

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah don’t do that.

[ivory orchid]

i’m refunding it this is bs epic is so bad

[wicked nacelle]

Don’t let the door hit you in the ass

[dim cradle]

I think someone did say it'll be getting better

but some bugs rn I guess? I play on PC tho

[wicked nacelle]

We’ve had lots of console
Folk here playing and having fun on both platforms

[cunning siren]

Last time I did the math it's like ~33% power savings to run 2x accelerators slooped and underclocked, was a while ago so IDK 🤷

[dim cradle]

Interesting, underclocked how low

[primal obsidian]

im playing a multiplayer server and i need to make roads, what do i do for turns

[inner sleet]

Is there a difference between pure and normal nodes?

[dim cradle]

2x the amount of ore /min

[cunning siren]

I'm not sure, you'll have to experiment to see if what I recall is even a thing

[dim cradle]

... I was kind of worried about this part needing 5k aluminum

then I remembered I had a stack of 10 industrial containers all full of aluminum plates

[wicked nacelle]

Each tier of node doubles the prior same with miner tiers

[hard stump]

It’s frustrating mate give it time I’m really pissed and sad myself as for reasons years ago had to get rid of pc and I about cried when I heard of console release stayed up all night downloaded booted up CRASH to wait soo long for a release its here then be told wait another week it sucks

[dim cradle]

wtf is with requiring 50 stacks of iron plates though

[leaden turret]

would advise waiting until monday if you can, per #announcements

[ivory orchid]

too late good luck guys

[primal obsidian]

can somone help me

[dim cradle]

How many alt recipes does tier 9 have anyway

Doesn't look like a lot of it has alts

[fathom shuttle]

The last tier?

Diamonds have a lot of alts

[dim cradle]

Yeah I just got pink diamonds

might switch to that depending on what it makes

[fathom shuttle]

It’s quartz and coal iirc

Oil based diamonds are the easiest imo id try getting that recipe

[wicked nacelle]

If you only need a few diamonds then oil is fine. But you really need to tap basically all the coal on the map to really scale up

[cunning siren]

So like, (SPOILERS) ||the spiderbros "locked in" between two walls...|| what do they eat?

[dim cradle]

This quartz and coal one looks kind of ok, less than half the amount of coal usage for the same amount of diamonds, got plenty of unused quartz

[fathom shuttle]

Hi did you miss me?

[dim cradle]

I think converters use less energy than colliders, don't they?

[fathom shuttle]

Yes

[cunning siren]

Love slooped turbo diamonds and then if not that then oil diamonds 🤷

Or if I have a massive amount of coal, default diamonds

[dim cradle]

I'm just using the default atm

these encoders look like they'll use even more energy than everything else though

[cunning siren]

Yea, good news is you only need one to sink BWDs

[waxen robin]

Anyone know if there was any word about keyboard on consoles

[spark sky]

That's a good question. I got a keybord and mouse with my PS5. (That is, for use with my PS5.)

[waxen robin]

Good to know ?

[hard ivy]

not supported currently, they plan to add it eventually

[waxen robin]

Im asking if there was any word on an eta

[spark sky]

Probably not. You can probably ask in #1038092680493801533

[dense violet]

#announcements for info

[spark sky]

Speaking of channels, are there plans to have a set of channels on here for console players?

[dense violet]

apart from basic controls there really isn't much difference from what I can tell

[wicked nacelle]

You’re usually better off slooping the thing that uses them.

[shrewd palm]

there isnt much of a need to unless its server related/troubleshooting

pc and console are both the same game

[dense violet]

which could just be done in #dedicated-servers

[sharp basin]

So I’ve not been building anything but exploring A LOT: map is much wider than I thought. Found some alien artifacts, slugs, very, very few pure ore spots that would make an interesting place for a base… I don’t want to be spoiled too much so I’m trying to focus on exploring the world first but…. Well, actually, it’s a bit weird, I don’t know what I’m looking for.

[spark sky]

I understand that, but there may be issues related to consoles that are not issues on PC, or vice-versa. Or, looking for other players to play with on console, unless we're supposed to have cross-play.

[wicked nacelle]

Look for spheres and sloops and small ore deposits for ore types you haven’t discovered yet

[shrewd palm]

mainly slugs are artifacts, but also nodes

[wicked nacelle]

And hard drives in crashed freighters

[shrewd palm]

^^

[wicked nacelle]

Beyond that push through the unlocks in the HUB and MAM they are equally important

Make sure you look in the MAM

[sharp basin]

Yeah I should unlocK MAM first

[torpid cloak]

is there a mod to do Overlapped buildings?

[steel kelp]

How can i prevent trains from derailing when i load back in

[wicked nacelle]

Without the nobelisks your exploring is pretty limited because you can’t kaboom the boulders. So find some sulfur and push down the sulfur tree pretty early

[shrewd palm]

i think soft clearance for everything does that

[torpid cloak]

connect ur rails again, it wouldnt derail in normal situation

[sharp basin]

Yeah I’ve seen these boulders everywhere.

[hard ivy]

signals? or buffer stops? idk what you're asking about exactly. but those 2 prevent trains from derailing

[dim cradle]

Once you blow up the boulders, you can encounter fun things. Like spiders.

[steel kelp]

Its a 5k metre track :(((

[dim cradle]

And more spiders.

[sharp basin]

I’ve killed some in some caves

[wicked nacelle]

And lots of good things too

[steel kelp]

Whenever i load up the game my train derails but my other doesnt

[hard ivy]

the train just drops off the rails at every save load?

[sharp basin]

OK so next step is unlocking MAM before continuing with exploration?

[shrewd palm]

yes

the mam i'd argue is as important as the main progression

[torpid cloak]

sounds strange. try to rail it where it derail it again

[wicked nacelle]

You build a MAM and it has a bunch of tech trees. Look at them all and see what you can unlock :). they help with exploring a lot

[hasty fable]

See, I thought placing 154 Constructors was gonna take forever

*However, I didn't consider how long the belts would take

[sharp basin]

OK got it, I’ll focus on MAM and my shitty first base

[sharp basin]

Got it

[spark sky]

Once the MAM is unlocked, one thing to help you along the way is collecting lizard doggos. They give you stuff they "find", much of which you can't make yet, but may help you do research on more advanced stuff in the MAM.

[wicked nacelle]

You can’t unlock all the stuff at first so you’ll progress through it over time

[sharp basin]

I befriended one, bit he’s kinda gone

[empty hill]

cheesing your way through the tech tree by buying things from the Shop is also nice

[steel kelp]

Yeh thats what i did

[shrewd palm]

blueprints my beloved

[wicked nacelle]

And then usually kind of going back and forth between HUB unlocks and MAM unlocks is a good balance. Set up some new factory stuff and let it make a bunch of parts while you explore

[spark sky]

Well, you need to make a kennel of some sort, a place to keep them that they won't escape from or fall through the terrrain trying to get out of.

[steel kelp]

Xbox quick resume just always leaves your game running so i rarely reload ig

[torpid cloak]

It derails only when u relog?

[sharp basin]

Yeah, I just tought, you know, before building factories, let’s see what the fuck is that planet about you know

[steel kelp]

Yeh

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah try to balance both 🙂 also if you find quartz it’s hugely
Important early game to get the bladerunner shoes. Makes exploring sooooo much better

[sharp basin]

But i’ll find the one I befriended somewhere? May be at the place he ate that berry?

[empty hill]

i always rush around to find quartz first
Though slide-jumping makes this far easier

[wicked nacelle]

That’s in the mam then you make it in equipment workshop

Errr oops

[sharp basin]

Found lots of quartz yeah

[weak epoch]

whats the max amount of players in a world?

[torpid cloak]

well
try to open a ticket with ur problem

[wicked nacelle]

Did you make blade runners?

[wicked nacelle]

69

[weak epoch]

is it

[wicked nacelle]

It should be

[sharp basin]

Nop just came back to the base, I mean first shitty base with like 3 buildings and nothing really working

[wicked nacelle]

It’s worth hand cranking out the parts to get that. Trust me. You’ll thank me later

[proud hull]

Would anyone (experienced) be willing to let me screenshare to them so they can help me troubleshoot an oil fuel factory?

[sharp basin]

Ok blade runners ✌️

But Mam first

[wicked nacelle]

What’s the problem first in a few sentences?

[spark sky]

A few hints about bringing them home: You will have to walk all the way home, they easily lose sight of you and start wandering if you get too far away. They won't jump up/down places that are more than about a meter and a half (1-1/2 the height of the 1m foundation). They might run off if they get attacked by a creature that's trying to kill you.

[wicked nacelle]

They’re unlocked in the quartz tree of the mam

[hollow halo]

man i wish there was vcs in this server...

[leaden turret]

#1201555265942724758

[leaden turret]

no thanks, mod problem

[wicked nacelle]

You can just dm and call someone.

[sharp basin]

All creatures are good to me, I changed that

[cunning siren]

TIL: Power Towers will snap to moused over power lines 🤔 I'm not sure how this is useful and maybe I'll find out

[proud hull]

10 feul refiners feeding 20 fuel gens 10 on bottom platform 10 above, amounts should be correct and they're just not feeding properly (i am using pumps)

[hollow halo]

i can, but it comes down to finding people. a diff problem i fear i dont have much time to solf at the moment

anyways, started a new save away from my 200 hour one

maybe i can like... do this better than last time LOL

[wicked nacelle]

Fluids/pipes in this game are obnoxious and don’t work how most people assume they should.

[sharp basin]

See you later when I figure out hundreds of new things 🤟

[hasty fable]

I've missed an entire manifold

[proud hull]

so its just effed regardless? or is it likely i can better optimize it?

I have only let it run for about ten mins though so it could just need time to fill pipes?

[wicked nacelle]

I’d help you but I’m fighting with comcast on my home internet and my cellular at home is awful. Barely works

[proud hull]

No worries! You're help is appreciated anyway

[spark sky]

Well, just remember that you will have to kill them, eventually, to get the resources they drop. These will be important for research as well as to produce Alien Protien (best item for making lots of biomass for fuel) and Alien DNA (best thing to feed the Awesom Sink and get tickets to buy new stuff in the Awesom Shop).

[sharp basin]

I do kill them, just to see if they drop some loot

[spark sky]

They all drop remains. You can set up a container feeding into a constructor (soon, if you can't now) which can turn one type of alien remains into biomass. You can switch which one it's using to make biomass and put that part in the container.

[dense violet]

what exactly is your pipe issue? there's some very basic methods to do simple and reliable piping

[proud hull]

I'm not super experienced at this so i couldn't say for sure other than that im just not getting enough flow

[dense violet]

make a post in #1038092680493801533 with some overhead images of how you're feeding your fuel gens 🙂

you can build a tower, or use photomode for that

[proud hull]

I do only have exactly as much fuel pumping out as is required by the amount of gens i have though so im wondering if that may be affecting it

[dense violet]

nope, feeding exact amounts is totally fine

make a post, I'm sure we can sort it

this is basically the worst channel for troubleshooting things

[brave horizon]

If I find a spot I really want to build out is it possible to tear down the hub and rebuild it?

[feral geyser]

Yes

You can only have one HUB at a time.

[sharp basin]

I’ve analysed a hard drive àd now I have to chose beteween new formula between screws and bobins

Which one is best?

[dense violet]

there is no 'best' recipe.
they all are useful doing their own thing

pick whatever will be useful on your next factory or think is interesting

[hard ivy]

Tf is a bobin 😂

[sharp basin]

so there are ALTERNATE formulas

[dense violet]

yup

[dense violet]

depending on

choice of production
volume of production
location of factory
other choices in alternate recipes
personal choices based on complexity and logistics

those will determine which recipes you think are 'best'

[wicked nacelle]

Absolutely

[rose lintel]

So the limited nodes of sulfur, quartz, etc spawn at random or are they set like the regular nodes?

[wicked nacelle]

The entire map is static

[dense violet]

all nodes are limited and static

[wicked nacelle]

But its large enough to support multiple interesting playthroughs.

[rose lintel]

Am my scanner is showing the sulfur nodes where you only get a few before it’s out?

[sharp basin]

Bit can I unlock ALL alternate formulas?

[dense violet]

it shows you the closes

[wicked nacelle]

Yes there are infinite hard drives available

[dense violet]

yup!
there's no content that remains locked

unless you start chucking hard drives into the void I guess

[sharp basin]

Perfect ✌️

[wicked nacelle]

And more than enough without buying any

[dense violet]

and even then not an impossible hurdle

[steel kelp]

I have been keeping every scan of my hard drives

[dense violet]

you do you, they do no good not being used

[steel kelp]

And then when i come to needing a factory i can just pick which recipe i need

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah that’s the best approach

[steel kelp]

It just saves me from having to constantly run around and get hard drives lol

This way ill always get the new alts for the latest thing ive researched as well

[dense violet]

you want to get all the hard drives for all the recipes anyway. they're all useful 🤷

[steel kelp]

I will at some point

[wicked nacelle]

Unless you get a hard drive that has two recipes you know you’ll need there’s no reason to pick an alt earlier than you’ll use it

They’re not all useful.

[steel kelp]

Yea that was my thought process

[wicked nacelle]

Biocoal is never useful

[rose lintel]

So once you mine those temporary nodes they are gone for good?

[dense violet]

the rock outcropings that disapear? yeah they don't stay

only animals respawn

[sharp basin]

Shit I have to start making factories, even in MAM, I cant do a thing

[wicked nacelle]

Yes. The point of those is you use them to research in the mam and then find the permanent ones

[dense violet]

that's the general idea of the game yes

[wicked nacelle]

You can hand cranking stuff out but yes it’s a factory building game

[sharp basin]

Yeah I’m starting that tomorrow

Time to sleeeep

At least I figured out MAM a bit

(Makes me think of Alien movie)

Just one thing

For my first Miners MK1

Impure nodes are enough?

Or should I move somewhere when I can find pure nodes?

[devout river]

to get you started absolutely.

obviously normal gives you double, but for getting started anything works. maybe plan your near long term base closer to normal/pure

[vapid portal]

I have been playing more or less than 20h in this save file and my factory is running on one pure node

[sharp basin]

I should just focus on making like Miners for limestone/iron/copper in one place for my starter base, so I get basic products?

[vapid portal]

Yes

But in the desert I kinda rely on pure nodes lol

[devout river]

yep. did you start out in the grassy fields?

[sharp basin]

Yep

Found a place with 4 impure iron nodes side by side

[vapid portal]

Ima keep making a mega factory but Goodluck, also try to have a tool input on basic materials

[vapid portal]

Ya that should be good

[feral geyser]

There is a place with 3 normal iron, 2 impure limestone, and a normal copper all within spitting distance

[sharp basin]

OK I’ll start there, there’s copper and limestone not that far away

[dense violet]

there's basically no real difference, just look at total output you need vs the area you're in.

[weak epoch]

b*ofuel

[rose lintel]

Hmmmmm the area I’m building my coal power and steel factory has 4 coal nodes but two covered by a boulder. Seems all the sulfur nearby I need for black powder is on cliffs I can’t find a way up. Am I gonna have to powershard solution my power plant?

[weak epoch]

start deforesting

[vapid portal]

Why did you have to censor that💀

[weak epoch]

slurs

[dense violet]

early on, more impure or normal nodes are often more useful since you're generally limited by your belt speed anyway

[sharp basin]

Seems like a good place to start yeah

[green perch]

im boutta explode

[devout river]

use the conveyor lifts as ladders. no limit to how high you can go

[green perch]

why do half my turbo refineries stop working for a few seconds? theyre full on inputs and empty on exports

the whole pipeline seems to pause for a few every now and then for no apparent reason

[sharp basin]

Here I have 4 impure iron, 2 impure copper and 1 normal Limestone

[devout river]

good place to start

[vapid portal]

Btw in the dune desert where I am, there is a pure iron, pure copper, pure caterium, pure limestone, and a bit further away a water guyser, and 2 normal coal, and further away a pure sulfur

And a quarts thing too

[sharp basin]

OK let’s start there

[vapid portal]

lol

[sharp basin]

@devout river no foundations for now?

[devout river]

foundations are the first thing i'll try to get unlocked.. so much easier to build

[dense violet]

are you wearing a hoverpack?

[green perch]

yes?

[dense violet]

take it off

[green perch]

aint no way

[dense violet]

if you use power switches around your factory, the hover pack will stall machines swapping grids

[green perch]

that is actually crazy

im just gonna delete the switches

if that would work

[dense violet]

a tiny bug that doesn't really impact anything unless you're doing extremely fancy building styles

[dense violet]

if you have no switches anywhere? sure

[green perch]

i just dont like seeing the line deviate lol

[vapid portal]

Do that later, without a solid supply of concrete and iron plates it’s a waste of time, after all you can do that after you complete upgrade tiers 0 1 and 2, just in my opinion because it’s a lot easier to remake everything after you have a solid supply, in my opinion tho

[green perch]

its also kinda messing with the gens, a few of em actually ran out

[vapid portal]

But foundations first might be good if you want

[dense violet]

sure but if you have a stable set up it'l rebalance

it's also possible you don't have a stable pipe set up.

[green perch]

never mind i figured it out. its the elevator. whenever my hoverpack connects to it, it stalls

[dense violet]

it's possible elevators somehow have a similar trigger to switches. they are relatively new

[steel kelp]

Making a heavy modular frame factory is hurting my head

[dense violet]

but switches are a definite problem for that

[steel kelp]

Its so many parts

[dense violet]

just add a few things to your modular frames

[green perch]

i dont have any around this specific factory

[dense violet]

I'm not 100% up on the whole bug, but it's possible having switches anywhere in your world connected to the grid does it

[green perch]

thats crazy. i deleted the elevator and it stopped when i connected to a pump

[sharp basin]

I think I’ll make a first shitty base to get things going, then look for a fine place for a real factory 🏭

[sharp basin]

To learn the basics too

[vapid portal]

Great decision but remember to try get at least one ||lizard doggo ||if you can, it can be good for the ||awesome shop||

[green perch]

ok so apparently it stalls more than just refineries

[sharp basin]

I have adopted one for sure, got the trophy, but he’s nowhere to be found

[dense violet]

it will stall whatever is around

[green perch]

damn

[dense violet]

for the shortest stall time possible

like 0.2 seconds or something

[green perch]

yeah imma delete all switches

[devout river]

you have to build pens for them 😄

[green perch]

i dont have that many

[dense violet]

eh, if you want. It really only impacts people who do things like single input sushi feeding

and that's maybe 5 people.

[green perch]

well funny you say that...

[vapid portal]

As long as you eventually find him and check his inventory to see what he has found, he can find really valuable items to ||sell|| for the ||awesome shop||

[dense violet]

you're feeding 4 items into a manufacturer with 1 input slot?

[green perch]

oh what? no

[dense violet]

then don't worry.

[green perch]

well its messing with my power

[dense violet]

sure, but like I said, if your power system was built in a stable way it'll balance out again on its own 🙂 really just depends on you.

if you're are severerly irked by it? then yeah do it

I'm just saying its very very unlikely to make a mechanical issue

[green perch]

well apparently i only had one switch cause i deleted it and its fine now

[vapid portal]

For power just turn aliens into solid biofuel with a couple of powerslugs boosting it, and connect the biofuel from a storage unit to the biofuel generators,

[green perch]

its enough that after some time 5 turbo gens ran out of fuel

[dense violet]

hopefully that was the only issue. A lot of people mismanage pipes.

[green perch]

by some time i mean like probably 50 hours

[vapid portal]

I hate pipes😭

[dense violet]

pipes are simple if you follow a few basic rules

[cunning siren]

Pipes do have a learning curve to them

🤷

[dense violet]

people just treat them like belts and cry when they don't work like belt

[vapid portal]

I’m talking bout the let’s game it out version of pipes

[dense violet]

I mean you make those when you don't want your pipes to flow properly

[vapid portal]

Oh to flow?

Then nvm

[green perch]

ok i think i fixed it. dont care about any other factory. i had to remove 2 power switches that were inside the factory separating floors

[maiden sage]

idk, I've set up some mk2 pipes according to the ficsit manual and have still had issues with throughput

[green perch]

mmk2 pipes are kinda bugged

not kinda, very bugged

[dense violet]

small details are are important in the layout

they are not bugged

[green perch]

i guess fluids in general are, i never go over 420/s

[dense violet]

there's just certain ways to build pipes reliably.
if you have an issue I'm happy to help. it often only takes a few minutes to find and solve the problem

[maiden sage]

I know, I've fixed all the small details, still borked

[wintry carbon]

Steel screws or cast screws, wich is better ?

[dense violet]

over head images of your inputs to whatever machines aren't workign in a #1038092680493801533 post

[wintry carbon]

machines are working, just wich is better alt recipe ?

[maiden sage]

depends on what's available to you

[dense violet]

depends on you really

[wintry carbon]

i have both

[dense violet]

if you jsut want to use iron? cast.
if you're happy using steel? and have more steps? steel might be more convenient for you

[maiden sage]

yes, but what raw resources are near where you need them?

[wintry carbon]

cast it is then, iron is more availeble

[dense violet]

sorry that reply was to the wrong person , #1038092680493801533 with overhead images of your system to trouble shoot it

[wintry carbon]

took me 32 hard drives to get it

[rose lintel]

So if I can unlock Mk 2 miners and mk 3 belts will that help with my coal supply issue for the generators?

[dense violet]

I mean if you need more coal? sure
but you should really design systems to use what you've got

[rose lintel]

I got 2 nodes powering 5 generators plus I need some for steel production

[dense violet]

your best bet is to keep your productions completely split. Build your power station away from your main factory

5 generators only need 75 coal pm, but we don't know how much you're siphoning off

[rose lintel]

Don’t have a main factory. Got my iron a copper factory. Then starting a coal power/steel factory

I started in the grasslands. Game said easiest start. Lots of iron and copper and limestone but more advanced stuff seems to be lacking

[mild flame]

How do you join someone on cross play I've been trying to figure it out

[shrewd palm]

thats really all you need

[south canyon]

#screenshots message
gross... how to remove?

[shrewd palm]

coal and water are down in a big pit for coal power, couple pure coal nodes scattered around for steel, sulphur on the edge of the biome and sam in the bottom of another pit

[rose lintel]

Coal, sulfur. Quartz?

[shrewd palm]

you'll have to go looking for quartz but the closest stuff isnt too hard to get to

for coal power there are 4 normal nodes down in a pit with a small lake

for steel there are 2 pure nodes near the southern edge of the biome

[charred sandal]

wait do drones only move things to and from ports?

[torpid cloak]

yeees

[shrewd palm]

a sluphur node is like 100m away from one and a pure caterium node is fairly close to the other

[charred sandal]

rip

[shrewd palm]

explosives

[rose lintel]

I’m on that one. But 2 of the nodes are covered by a boulder

[torpid cloak]

nuke it

[shrewd palm]

should only be one

[south canyon]

aw man

[shrewd palm]

if you dont mind a spoiler i can send a screenshot of the whole biome with resources on it

[rose lintel]

No thanks. Only wanna be nudged in right direction don’t want any hand holding

[south canyon]

oh my god, there's a volume slider for literally EVERYTHING?

anyway... need to change the audio output device

is there a way to do that ingame

and is there a way to save and exit to desktop in one click

[cunning siren]

Many things yes, crafting bench is my favorite one to set to 0 😆

[south canyon]

Isn't coal power locked behind tier 3/4

[dense violet]

gotta manually save

[small kernel]

When is the online is fixed

[white dawn]

If you mean the crashing issues when doing multiplayer on console, the fix for that should hopefully be out next week sometime

[wide nacelle]

is there any kind of global grid I can align my foundation to? I know it likely doesnt make any difference but just out of OCDness

[south canyon]

yes

[dense violet]

there is, ctrl or equivalent

[south canyon]

press Control

[dense violet]

but you can merge foundations without it and nodes aren't alligned.

it also extremely restricive to designs

[wide nacelle]

ooo i swear i thought i tried that. thanks

[steel kelp]

Holy fuck lmao a 20 hmf/min factory took me almost 3 hours to make

[wide nacelle]

good news, me from 10 hours ago was smart enough to have begun my foundation with CTRL

it aligns 😄

[shrewd palm]

should be enough to set you up for at least phase 4 tho

[steel kelp]

Yea i mean with everything ive built i can have 6 adaptive control units per minute

But idk if they are used in anything

[dense violet]

half would be reasonable to finish phase 5 if you store them

[shrewd palm]

all the space elevator parts are used in the next step up

[steel kelp]

Are modular engines used a lot lol

[dense violet]

for more space parts

[steel kelp]

I had everything else for them so i just turned my plastic factory into a rubber one temporarily

[dense violet]

all the ealier space parts are used for hte next phase

[steel kelp]

Ah ok thats fine then

I havent rly thought about space parts until i make factories/automated almost everything i unlock in that phase

[dense violet]

if you store a few thousand of each of them that'll see you through, though prob good to check to wiki for exact numbers would be annoying to be just shy

[steel kelp]

Yes drones will help me automate all these parts in the background

But I’ve become reluctant to build until i get the hover pack i imagine it makes things so much faster

[dense violet]

its very useful, but more so for fancy designing

but it does help with the basics too

[steel kelp]

Ive been making vertical factories with conveyor lifts bringing everything up, so navigating that will be so much easier and quicker

Currently im parkouring around the lifts and trying to squeeze through conveyor walls when my jet pack is loe lol

[wicked nacelle]

that's really when the real factory building begins. until then it's mentally pain ful to say "okay I'm going to put down 60 constructors".. once you have that it's just clickclickclickclickclicklcik

[cunning siren]

Yea, its nutty how much simpler it is to build stuff with the hover pack. So many advantages over jetpack for building stuff

Both packs can be used to build stuff though 🤷

[steel kelp]

Yeah i mean w blueprints its not too bad even without

But thats why ive held off on making a giga turbofuel plant lol

[cunning siren]

Oh yea, blueprints also help with construction AND deconstruction. SO much simpler to be able to remove an entire blueprint vs the silliness of deleting stuff with out. It can work without blueprints though, many tools many options