satisfactory

[cosmic pawn]

ah

then idk why they aren't filling

i have like 5 fluid platforms

they are connected to a powered station

[dense violet]

are they set to load?

[cosmic pawn]

yes

[dense violet]

are the cars empty on arrival?

[cosmic pawn]

i just built them earlier

[rigid vessel]

Are the fluid platforms connected to the pipes?

[cosmic pawn]

yes

[dense violet]

you'd want to have overhead images of your station in a #1038092680493801533 post

[south canyon]

any tips for getting items/power down a large mountain

[dense violet]

belts and cable? early on you have limited choices

but mostly you plan around these sorts of things. The easiest way around a problem is to plan so you don't have it in the first place 🙂

[shrewd palm]

load them on to factory carts and send them flying off

will create a cool waterfall effect

[turbid kayak]

has anyone had issues on console where mountains and rocks let you passs right through

[cursive crane]

Depends on the amount and your gamestage generally.
You can achieve almost any amount given enough belts/connections. Lifts work wonders for moving things up and down

Power is simple, only one way to move it. Can be creative with it and make structures so you arent just making flat platforms or placing poles on the side of the mountain.

[crimson lantern]

How do I make multiple times from one ore vein?

[south canyon]

i forgor about conveyor lifts

though this cliff is EXTREMELY harsh

full bar worth of fall damage

[rigid vessel]

What do you mean?

[dense violet]

use multip0le machines

[steel kelp]

If a train is going from a to b back and forth, does it need the actual train bit on both sides

[dense violet]

if it's straight back and forth? yes

[steel kelp]

Ok cool ty

Im procrastinating setting up my fuel lol

[dense violet]

were you going to move the fuel?

[opaque chasm]

Anyone know how to fix the backend session issue on ps5? Unable to join friend

[dense violet]

there seems to be a number of issues with console peeps connecting to one another. Probably need to wait a few days

[rigid vessel]

How much iron and coal pm does a foundry take? I wanna know before hand so I know exactly how many foundrys i need for 3 pure coal and 3 pure iron nodes

[dense violet]

depends on yoru recipe.

your codex will tell you

[opaque chasm]

A little frustrating, thanks tho

[rigid vessel]

I dont have any alts for anything else

[shrewd palm]

45 I think, you can check hen you place one down and select the recipe

[dense violet]

your codex and foundry will also have the recipe with all the info

[dense violet]

also the wiki

[rigid vessel]

Do if im making 360 items pm (3 pure nodes at 50% cause of mk2 belts) that would mean I need 120 foundrys correct?

Or am I way off with that math

[south canyon]

50% because of Mk2 belt?

[rigid vessel]

Ye

[south canyon]

Also 120 foundries seems overkill if they process 45/min

[rigid vessel]

A pure node with a mk2 miner gives 240 items pm, but a mk2 belts only holds 120 items pm

[rigid vessel]

Oh shoot yeah I thought it was 3 iron and 3 coal pm 😭

[dense violet]

there's two numbers for recipes

per cycle
per minute

just use per min

[south canyon]

Why per cycle

[dense violet]

because recipes work off cycles.

[south canyon]

I assume for "manual input" setups?

[dense violet]

no, per cycle is how much the machine takes from it's input every cycle

but for planning, just use per min

[south canyon]

Yeah...

So per cycle is somewhat useful if you're adding items by hand

[dense violet]

ish? if yo'ure tryign to figure out a specific number of items you want made by hand that's a thing. but this is an automation name

[steel kelp]

Gonna do it in the crater lake, itll probably just be diluted fuel

[dense violet]

mostly because you might as well just burn fuel for power where you make it

[steel kelp]

Im still running my whole base off 16 coal gens lol its getting dire

[steel kelp]

Yeh i never wanted to make it and then transport it

[dense violet]

imo - use 4 normal coal nodes and just max out hte gens

that'll get you to tier 7 pretty easily

[steel kelp]

With power shards?

[dense violet]

but if you want to learn fuel, why not

[dense violet]

to whatever your belts will handle really

[cunning siren]

Unlock Geothermal power in the MAM, I skip coal entirely with that "trick"

[dense violet]

48-64 coal gens will keep you going for al ong while

[dense violet]

like so https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1430431067952775280/image.png?ex=690cddfe&is=690b8c7e&hm=03a460110e16832a65325eb32fdc8642ccedf3e3ef2f1fd5a27412c6c2d279a5&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=550&height=299

[steel kelp]

Yea i mean its an easy fix but rather boring

[dense violet]

you need lots of power. This is simple and compact. But you do you

[steel kelp]

I wanna try everything

[dense violet]

sure

[cunning siren]

I enjoy coal when I have power shards so I can be lazy and dump a water extractor on every liquid junciton and by that point I have more power than I need from Geos anyway 🤷

[steel kelp]

And building a big fuel plant will give me the opportunity to design another base

[steel kelp]

Which tree are geos in

[cunning siren]

GOoooooooold!

I mean... Caterium

[steel kelp]

Ugh fuck caterium

[dense violet]

just build some power stations, you have to wander across the whole map trying to link things up

[cunning siren]

Yes! Smash that MAM with Caterium

[steel kelp]

Yea i already have them setup by all my factories

[cunning siren]

You can buy the high speed connectors from the awesome shop or get them from doggos 🤷

[steel kelp]

I used crater lake for some early steel production but now i need to bump the numbers up

[steel kelp]

Id rather just automate it, surely a pure gold, copper, iron and coal node are near each other lmao

[dense violet]

the east swamp has a bit of everything

[cunning siren]

As you wish, I only offer ez-mode run solutions 😆

[dense violet]

if you need the coal for steel, near the centre, NE theres oil caterium iron copper?

[cunning siren]

I enjoy simple things

Apparently this is a "no train" experimental run 😆 belts only!

[spare lance]

anyone gota mk2 bp HMF factory? pleaseeee

[steel kelp]

The desert?

Probably where im gonna do it

[south canyon]

are trains actually that good

[spare lance]

THEY ARE THE BEST BEFORE PHASE 3

[steel kelp]

I mean you’re moving multiples of 32 stacks at a time how can they not be

[cunning siren]

They can be really good, and really bad 😆 it depends on if you wish to learn a lot about trains

[rigid vessel]

What's the best after phase 3

[spare lance]

Drones ig

[rigid vessel]

Damn

[spare lance]

anyone gota mk2 bp HMF factory? pleaseeee

[dense violet]

their super power is that you can run many trains on the same rail

[zenith fractal]

nothing

trains are the best

[zenith fractal]

yes

need to transport more resources? add more carts. need to go to a new location? put down rails and make a junction or something to add a new route.

I am not biased whatsoever

[rigid vessel]

Now I gotta sit here and wait while 1,800 steel ingots hand craft 😭

[zenith fractal]

trust

[zenith fractal]

rip

[rigid vessel]

Then I have to hand craft 400 steel beams and 120 steal pipes

[zenith fractal]

can't even put down a foundry or something and hand feed it?

[rigid vessel]

OH I FORGOT ABOUT TNE ENCASED STEEL BEAMS

😭 💔

[rigid vessel]

Im tryna get prepared to make a steel factory

I was only gonna use mk2 belts but that would mean 8 foundrys and that is nowhere near what I need so imma js mk3 belts

But that means hand crafting 😭 🙏

[steel kelp]

Does adding more carts impact the speed of the train

[zenith fractal]

yes but if it get's slower

add another engine

[vapid portal]

I was just looking around this discord, how do I activate satisfactory bot? (On the discord)

[zenith fractal]

I think more than 4 or 5 carts is when the train get's slower?

[steel kelp]

You add the engine to the front? So its engine - engine - carts

[wicked nacelle]

the weight of the train impacts its acceleration. each car has a weight but as you fill it it gets heavier

[kindred fulcrum]

These inputs and outputs have me so confused. Im just starting on xbox series x and have a factory going but now the belts are just stop and go.

[steel kelp]

How many carts before you need to add another engine

Or is it better to just do a whole new train

[vapid portal]

What are you having trouble with?

[wicked nacelle]

freight car weighs 30 empty, 44 if it has a single item in it, and 100 full

[wicked nacelle]

depends how steep of hills you have on your rail - if it's flat you can run basically any length on one engine

but usual safe is 1 engine to 4 freight cars - that will get you up 2m ramps (but technically rail can go a bit steeper than that)

[steel kelp]

My intention was to build them flat and up high

[wicked nacelle]

if they're flat then another engine gets you up to speed faster but you won't get stuck with 1 engine ever

[abstract heron]

1 locomotive to 4 cars then 2 locomotive for 8 cars

[kindred fulcrum]

Well I have a mk1 miner feeding into a smelter and then a constructor but the belts have stopped moving the resources through?. Is the miner giving to much?

[wicked nacelle]

that's to climb 2m ramps. for flat 1 engine will pull 100 cars

[wicked nacelle]

no, it never stops it just may go slower

[vapid portal]

Are they being powered?

[wicked nacelle]

if it's stopped then. you have the wrong resoruce type for the smelter or constructor

[zenith fractal]

is it the miner backing up?

[wicked nacelle]

or it's not powered, yeah

[kindred fulcrum]

I think it might be the miner backing up

[vapid portal]

Oh nvm, check if there is space in the buildings, it might be full

[wicked nacelle]

just follow the best and find the first spot where it's not backed up

[zenith fractal]

overproducing does that. later you will get splitters that can spread the resources further and to more machines.

[kindred fulcrum]

Its powered for sure. I got 4 generators on. The ones that take plant matter

[wicked nacelle]

so follow the belt until it's not backed up -- that building is the problem

[vapid portal]

Check if it’s too full to output more resources

[kindred fulcrum]

Ohhh ok. Ive heard of those and how important they are

[crimson lantern]

Is there a way to recover death box thingys that I can't get to? I fell off a cliff

[vapid portal]

…..

[wicked nacelle]

on console?

[crimson lantern]

Ye

[wicked nacelle]

no clue. on pc absolutely

[vapid portal]

Ummmm

[kindred fulcrum]

Got it. I have access to storage containers. Should I feed a belt to them to keep things flowing?

[crimson lantern]

It has some slugs

[wicked nacelle]

no, it will jsut fill up eventually and you'll have the same problem

[kindred fulcrum]

Oh

[wicked nacelle]

I mean, you can have one if having excess of that thing will help. but in general it doesn't solve problems with production/consumption rates

[vapid portal]

Absolutely (:

[wicked nacelle]

if you have too much the container will fill up and it will stall again. they can be useful, but they don't solve rate problems

[vapid portal]

For that you could add splitters or use something in the later game

[wicked nacelle]

but yeah, you should unlock splitter/merger asap if you don't have them.

they're fundamental to the game

[kindred fulcrum]

Got it

This game seems to have a steep learning curve

[vapid portal]

@kindred fulcrum one more solution is to just connect a splitter to feed excess resources into, just so that things keep moving when everything’s full

[wicked nacelle]

if you just do what the HUB and the MAM tell you to do it walks you through the entire game

[vapid portal]

Dw, you get used to it after a few hours xD

[wicked nacelle]

if you can't do any mam stuff easily then do hub stuff. then go back to the mam. then back to the hub

you can go in other orders, but if you do it as it gives it to you you're guaranteed to progress

it's like following the radio in subnautica 🙂

[kindred fulcrum]

Yeah I figured XD.

[vapid portal]

I recommend to focus on your production and excess production to speed up hub upgrades

[wicked nacelle]

and there's basically no decisions that you can't undo and recover all your materials for

[kindred fulcrum]

Yeah I noticed that. Its a wonderful feature

[wicked nacelle]

if you unlock a dumb alt recipe, that feels bad but there's enough hard drives to unlock all of them including the dumb ones

[south canyon]

Does water absorb fal damage?

[zenith fractal]

think so

[south canyon]

I hope so.

[wicked nacelle]

yeah you can dive into water from way high and not take damage if it's deep enough

[vapid portal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wicked nacelle]

also if you are full health you cannot die from fall damage

but you have to be 100% health

[south canyon]

I'm setting up a miner on a Pure sulphur vein

[wicked nacelle]

make me some nobelisks 🙂

[south canyon]

It's all teh way on the top of a mountain, been figuring out logistics for over an hour now

[wicked nacelle]

DM them to me

[south canyon]

What do they do?

[wicked nacelle]

they blow up

[south canyon]

Can they destroy terrain?

[wicked nacelle]

they're in the sulfur MAM research tree. no, but they blow up those cracked boulderes you see everywhere that hides the good stuff

they're super important

lots of stuff is locked behind boulders -- good ore veins, slugs, sloops, spheres, spiders!!!

it's one of the most important things to unlock early if you want to go exploring

[cunning siren]

OMG! The even to toilet in the hub can be customized! Time for a golden throne!

[wicked nacelle]

wait what?

TIL I guess

[wicked nacelle]

BTW, the core map of the game is static, you can't change it.

you can't have a map like this and have it be deformable because the map never changing is a core part of the game optimization to allow a world that big

[south canyon]

Bilding stuff from far away has to be the most satisfying game mechanic

[wicked nacelle]

especially with trains

setting up a complex train infrastructure that gets everything where it needs to go is awesome

[south canyon]

I'm doing this sulfur for compacted coal

Is it mandatory to use compacted coal, or is normal coal good enough?

[wicked nacelle]

they are different items and used in different recipes -- you can't swap them either way

if it needs coal it needs coal. if it needs C-Coal it needs c-coal

compacted coal is super useful because it makes turbo fuel which is great for power generation and can be used to make even better fuels

[cosmic pawn]

how fast is too fast for a train to go on a turn?

[wicked nacelle]

they can't derail - if it lets you make the rail then the train can do it

[south canyon]

Oh, I thought compacted coal could be used in the power plant, no?

[cosmic pawn]

ah

[wicked nacelle]

it's not worth it for that - once you get fuel power you'll never touch coal power again.

you can get to fuel power easily from just normal coal power

[zenith fractal]

trains can derail if another hits it or human error when driving

[raven axle]

Official Satisfactory Wiki

This is the totally awesome community driven wiki for Satisfactory!! Come on in and check it out!
<3 @wicked nacelle

[zenith fractal]

but that's about it

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch Coal-Powered_Generator

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Coal-Powered_Generator

[wicked nacelle]

that wiki I just linked has the info. you can burn it and it's fine but you'll want to convert your compacted coal to turbo fuel eventually

[zenith fractal]

in the fuel stage compacted coal can be used for a more oil efficient fuel

[shut grove]

does blueprint auto connect work with power as well? Like will outlets connect to eachother, etc?

[wicked nacelle]

looks like compacted coal is about 2x more efficient than coal

[wicked nacelle]

no. if it did you'd end up with huge crazy spider webs of everything connecting to everything

so that's the thing you still have to connect by hand but autoconnect is still super useful without it

[south canyon]

im sad now

[wicked nacelle]

why?

[south canyon]

can't make compacted coal yet

[wicked nacelle]

but you have sulfur so you can research the sulfur tree in the MAM

and you can put down a MAM anywhere you want -- they all share the same research no matter where they are

[dawn idol]

its been a while can anyone remind me about singals again?

[shut grove]

but i want my blueprints to have hidden power cables.. sadge

[dawn idol]

path before and block after or vise versa?

[wicked nacelle]

all block works everywhere. The only optimization is in a junction it's path in block out

you never NEED to use path signals ever

[dawn idol]

thanks

[south canyon]

Can you switch milestones without losing progress?

[dawn idol]

let me make it optimal

😡

[dense violet]

nothing is stopping you

[wicked nacelle]

well if they are super hidden then you can't see to connect them

[crimson lantern]

Gonna have to restart 😭 made a right mess of my game

[wicked nacelle]

nono just start building more somewhere else and use what you've built so far to build the new stuff 🙂

don't destroy just build more

[elder apex]

@wicked nacelle question about your 80 bwd game, how long did it take to load and save?

[wicked nacelle]

there's really nothing in this game that you can do accidetnally that will punish you.

[dense violet]

how?

[dawn idol]

man its been 6 months why has singals forsaken me 😭

[wicked nacelle]

do you have a MAM yet? are you looking at the sulfur reserach tree in it? lots of really good stuff is early on in it

[south canyon]

Haven't finished conveyor for sulfur

[wicked nacelle]

just put down a MAM right where you are and use the sulfur that's in the miner to do the research 🙂

[south canyon]

Don't have coal

[wicked nacelle]

you just need like 150-200 sulfur (and some other stuff) and boom shakalaka

[dawn idol]

hmmm all block not working dammit

[south canyon]

Anyway. Is it a bad idea to use a splitter to split 1 Mk2 into 2 Mk1 belts

[dawn idol]

says signal loops on itself cri

[reef basin]

why would it be?

[reef basin]

if you want help, share screenshots (ideally with block colors) in #1038092680493801533

[wicked nacelle]

yeah there's a bug with that. If you put a signal right at a rail split it does that sometimes. Delete that and move it back just a smidge

you don't need to post there -- it's almost certainly this bug I just mentioned

[dawn idol]

still?

[wicked nacelle]

it's super annoying and they haven't fixed it for... like 6 months

maybe longer now

you can also rebuild the track and try again in the "good spot" and eventually it will work but moving it back a little always works immediately

[dawn idol]

i have not played in over 6 monts and remember that being a issue

[wicked nacelle]

when you're holding a signal in your build gun the tracks will show a color. the track should ALWAYS change color at a switch. if it is the same color across a switch then that's this bug

[south canyon]

How do I put Mk2 conveyors into my hotbar?

[wicked nacelle]

on pc you just hover it and hit the number

on console ???

[dawn idol]

man I forgot how bad our alt recipy

I saw that we had like 12 alts sitting

so that it takes up 2 alts instead of just 1

and still not getting alt we wanted lmao

[wicked nacelle]

yep, not picking an alt is the best option unless you want to use one of them now

[dawn idol]

im sitting on legit like 1.5 screens full of alts

xD

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, that's great. more likely you get the good ones next 🙂

[dense violet]

tap a number, like anything else

you can also hold E to bring up a radial menu of similar items

[dawn idol]

still funny randomly seeing so many

[dense violet]

so if you select a belt, hold E you'll see all belts

[wicked nacelle]

🙂

or tap e and it will cycle thorugh them

true for many types of items

[south canyon]

Copper rotor or bolted plate...

[dawn idol]

it took us like 2 hours to remember where we were but we need plastic alts for HMF

[wicked nacelle]

i like bolted plate but unless you're going to use them don't pick- it will lock out both of them for your next hdd

[dawn idol]

and we doing all the recipys that takes plastic/etc

like the steel

[wicked nacelle]

lots of people probably hate bolted plate because screws but if you do screws right they're easily manageable

[dawn idol]

alt

[wicked nacelle]

I have blueprints that make bolted plate and they make the screws in the blueprint -- iron in reinforced plates out

[dawn idol]

thank god I took a screenshot of what we were working on

and what alts it needs

[dawn idol]

we were going minmax, we were doing the concrete with rubber, steel with coke, rubber for reinforced plates, plastic for iron plates

so legit using all the rubber and plastic we can

lmaooo

[wicked nacelle]

make sure you're doing the diluted fuel/HOR/recycled plastic/rubber recipes

[dense violet]

you probably want to use the recycled plubber recipes then

[dawn idol]

why diluted fuel for

[dense violet]

oil > HOR > diluted fuel for max oil efficiency

[dawn idol]

is recycled pastic new?

[wicked nacelle]

nope

[dense violet]

nope, been around for ages

[dawn idol]

thats the water+polymer stuff right

[dense violet]

you turn all oil into diluted fuel, then use recycled plastic and rubber to turn fuel into more plastic/rubber

[wicked nacelle]

that recipe combo MASSIVELY increases your plastic/rubber output and diluted fuel gives you a bunch more power too

[dense violet]

no that's residual plastic/rubber

[dawn idol]

oh

[wicked nacelle]

you turn all your oil into HOR/diluted fuel and then from there either go to making turbo/rocket fuel out of it or making recycled rubber/plastic with it

[dawn idol]

is that past t6?

[dense violet]

for example https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=dFjcEBZuu5PF91KnqrIN

[dense violet]

you can do diluted packaged fuel, like tier 3 or something?

... maybe 5. been too long

basically as soon as you unlock oil

[wicked nacelle]

those alts all unlock at the same time as oil -- diluted PACKAGED fuel does. There's another simpler one called diluted fuel that unlcosk the next stage because it needs a more advanced building

[sage quail]

I hate biomass burners, sigh. ... I really need a better way to power stuff ...

[wicked nacelle]

and it's coming soon I promise 🙂

[dawn idol]

🤷 we are pretty much done but good to know

[wicked nacelle]

get those 50 smart plates uploaded ASAP 🙂

[dawn idol]

seems like we were just waiting for alternates to turn factory on

[dense violet]

you're in the pre tutorial, you'll get ther e

[dawn idol]

legit just alts

[sage quail]

well, I just unlocked Tier 1 and Tier 2 .... none of them have the nice stuff 😂

[dawn idol]

and some last belting

[south canyon]

diluted fuel...

[dawn idol]

and we would be making hmf'

[dense violet]

you get the basics to learn the very basics 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

yeah tier 3 gets you off. biomass burners

[charred sandal]

Damn. my first crash

hope i didnt lose much time 🙁

[wicked nacelle]

what error message?

[dawn idol]

ahhh diluted t6

*t7

[charred sandal]

didnt really check

[dawn idol]

so prob why we did not cus diluted is at t7 not t6

[sage quail]

yes, I already know the basics LMAO 😂 but I wanted to start from level 0 on playstation

[wicked nacelle]

are you on PC? Do you have a very large factory or use a lot of large blueprints you downloaded?

[charred sandal]

on PC, not that big by some standards, no

[wicked nacelle]

okay, well if it crashes again screenshot the error message. And if it says anything about UObject limit exceeded or something, then we can fix that for you

[dawn idol]

that makes more sense why we did not

go for diluted into plastic

[hard ivy]

Diluted packaged fuel is tier 5. Same efficiency, just slightly less convenient to use

[dawn idol]

if u want to look at our build its in design chat fyi

[dawn idol]

that rings a bell but i remember it just being really anoying to do

[wicked nacelle]

diluted PACKAGED fuel alt unlocks T5

diluted fuel is T7 -- but they both do the exact same thing just via different buildings -- exact same efficiency of inputs

[hard ivy]

Nah, you just have to do it right and it's really not

[dawn idol]

dont u need like the same building in several of the steps

[wicked nacelle]

the packaged version uses a smudge more power but not a meaningful amount

[wicked nacelle]

you need a packager for diluted packaged fuel, you need a blender for diluted fuel

[dense violet]

just have packager > refinery > unpackager. In small loops

[wicked nacelle]

blender doesn't unlock til t7 -- that's why the alt unlocks there too. alts don't unlock until you could theoretically use them

[dawn idol]

ig we did that just to take away a few step

and was already complex enough for us

[wicked nacelle]

you can make a blueprint that does the diluted packaged fuel -- even put the empty containers in the blueprint. you only need a small number of the containers

[dense violet]

oh yeah they're all choices. You can bp loops like that very easily.

even with the empty cannisters already inside

[wicked nacelle]

cobalt blocked me long ago so that's why he always says the same thing I say but like 30s later

[dawn idol]

oh yeah we needed coke anyway

so yeah would have been less effective by itself anyway

[wicked nacelle]

I suggest not using coke for anything -- I mean it's fine but man you can do much better with the oil 🙂

[dawn idol]

well coke for steel 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

completely unnecessary

[turbid kayak]

am i dumb for putting everything on foundation before im done with tier 1

[wicked nacelle]

massive waste of a much more limited resource, IMO

[wicked nacelle]

no it's fine. I don't but I just power through the early stuff asap

[dense violet]

eh you do you

you'll probaly want to rebuild stuff after coal anyway

[turbid kayak]

biofuel is evil

[dawn idol]

but steel KEK

[wicked nacelle]

iron and coal are everywhere.

[dawn idol]

100 steel a min is very nice 😉

[reef basin]

well, as with most things - it's a personal choice

[wicked nacelle]

Pretty sure by the time you unlock oil you can trivially get 100 steel with default recipes -- and then you probably want to be looking for solid steel alt, too

[dense violet]

compacted steel all the way 😛

[dawn idol]

💀 10/min btw

[reef basin]

eh, it's there for you to learn things 🙂

[reef basin]

multiple buildings btw

[wicked nacelle]

biofuel is a punishment for not making those 50 dang smart plates and getting coal WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!!?!?!?!

[turbid kayak]

i am just wandering around with autocollect on right now lol

[dawn idol]

u need mutliple buildings for it anyway

[turbid kayak]

im under an hour into the first playthrough right now

[dawn idol]

compacted coal looks so omega ass

[reef basin]

you may have built too much then, if you're collecting so much (or you are not processing it further)

[wicked nacelle]

you're making solid biofuel, right? And the nice thing about the bioburners is they only use fuel as needed. so you'r enot punished for leaving them just sitting underutilized

[turbid kayak]

yes im crafting it in the bench

[dense violet]

for steel? I don't enjoy it. But it has other uses

[reef basin]

yeah, so recipe speed is hardly for consideration imo

[wicked nacelle]

make a constructor do it. make biomass by hand (especially from wood -- do you have a chainsaw?) and then put it in a container and feed it to a constructor to make solid biofuel then out to your burners

[dawn idol]

why not just do solid steel at that point tho

[dense violet]

eh, reducing sprawl is very valuable to me

[dawn idol]

like legit

[turbid kayak]

not sure what that is quite yet

[reef basin]

because that uses different resources?

[dawn idol]

no its the SAME

in fact ITS LESS types 😭

[reef basin]

recipe usages are hardly black and white, they very much depend on location

[dense violet]

location has a big impact , different resources available

[reef basin]

so if I have location with extra sulfur but low coal, why not use compacted?

[dawn idol]

u need the same resources and more for compacted coal tho?

[wicked nacelle]

not sure what a constructor is?

[dense violet]

compacted needs sulfur
solid steel does not

[reef basin]

you need less coal

[turbid kayak]

ive never watched any videos on satisfactory my buddy told me to buy it since it came to console

[dawn idol]

imo play blind

[dense violet]

hope you like problem sovling and design games

[dawn idol]

just go at it a

[turbid kayak]

kinda the plan

[wicked nacelle]

pull up your build menu and find constructor -- it takes an input and builds it into something else

[dawn idol]

why u here then XD

[reef basin]

solid steel:
2 coal -> 3 steel
compacted coal:
2 coal -> 8 steel

[turbid kayak]

just to talk

[dawn idol]

fair

[dawn idol]

yeah I guess less iron/coal needed although u need like 6x the machines

*3x

[turbid kayak]

oh i do have that, using it right now for copper wire, iron plates, and iron rods

[wicked nacelle]

you tell the constructor a recipe -- a recipe has a certain set of inputs and it creates an output of something better (somteimes more than one thing but that's later)

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, well it can also make solid biofuel

[dawn idol]

yeah I see now that it uses coal/iron more eff

[reef basin]

well as with any other recipe, there's no "good" or "bad" recipe, just options you can choose from depending on your preferences and current situation/location

[dawn idol]

but the 3x machine increase makes it seem a bit bad

[wicked nacelle]

so make a container of biomass that you fill by hand and then feed it to a constructor that makes solid biofuel

[turbid kayak]

oh ok cool. ill setup up one next to one of my burners

[dawn idol]

thus I used coke for steel 🐷

[wicked nacelle]

do you have splitters?

[reef basin]

space and power is usually not an issue, space is practically infinite and power is technically infinite

[reef basin]

which is also fine 🤷

[turbid kayak]

yeah it was the first thing i got because all of my conveyers were backed up

[wicked nacelle]

have a belt coming off the constructor with solid biofuel then put splitters on the belt and feed a whole row of biomass burners from it

this is called a manifold

[dawn idol]

also I never feel like oil is that few, always feel theres too much overall tbh

[wicked nacelle]

you will learn to manifold all the things :). you can probably feed 12 bioburners from one constructor ( just a guess)

[turbid kayak]

or wait im just making biomass right now not solid biofuel

i dont think im at solid biofuel yet, im still resarching the MAM

[dawn idol]

not from mam

oops spoilers mb

[turbid kayak]

ur good

[wicked nacelle]

solid biofuel burns MUCH longer for the same amount of stuff you collect - it's a huge upgrade and you kinda need it to get you to coal without a LOT of pain

[turbid kayak]

ill use wiki eventually

[wicked nacelle]

solid biofuel: Unlocked by
Tier 2 - Obstacle Clearing

[turbid kayak]

oh ok ill get it after im done with tier one lol

[dawn idol]

imo only go and do that when u hit the point where u would think u would stop playing due to not understandiing

[golden plank]

The “I’m just gonna build this” is most of the dangers sentence you can say🫩🥱

[wicked nacelle]

that same unlock lets you build the chainsaw in the equipment workshop building -- that lets you gather wood quickly -- wood makes a LOT of biofuel with very little effort

[turbid kayak]

yeah me and my friend started a world when i had to leave for class in an hour ( i was late)

[wicked nacelle]

yes, this game will do that to you

it's addicting as hell

[turbid kayak]

ive seen a few videos on my fyp about it but im trying to skip most of the,

[wicked nacelle]

so, do we know if they're fixing fluid flow in 1.2? or was that just a joke to introduce the fluid truck?

[turbid kayak]

unless its the gaming with doc guy because he is super late game and into stuff i dont understand

[wicked nacelle]

his shorts are fun but not the most useful for advanced concepts

[reef basin]

personal recommendation: don't watch videos, learn the game at your own pace

[wicked nacelle]

I'm with greeny mostly -- but def come here and ask questions if you're frustrated -- the game shouldn't be frustrating but it can be if you're missing a core concept

[dense violet]

yeah, doc guy suggests not the best things for fluids too

[reef basin]

oh yeah, ask here if you're stuck on something and have tried all you could think of, but don't just copy someone's tutorials, that doesn't teach you anything, and later game stages rely on you understanding concepts from early game

[turbid kayak]

he is calming to watch, i like older people for the most part unless they are at customer service. then i do not like them

[reef basin]

afaik practically no youtubers do fluids "right" 😄

[turbid kayak]

yeah i am super early and dont think ill have much trouble yet.

[wicked nacelle]

to be fair the GAME doesn't do fluids right

[reef basin]

it does tho

[wicked nacelle]

hopefully that gets fixed soon

[dense violet]

yeah, whoever started the 'water towers fix flow issues' needs to be slapped

[dense violet]

you know it's not worth starting with them

[turbid kayak]

should i reallllyyyyy build the space elevator

[zenith fractal]

progression

[reef basin]

no, you'll have trouble later when you'll need knowledge from early 🙂 (and that's not me saying that just because, that's been happening to tons of people here, they come here later with "idk how to do aluminum" or something, they are asked how they did with oil byproducts before and reply is "idk I just copied totalxclipse's build")

[wicked nacelle]

you don't have to build it until you're ready to send stuff up it, but you have to to progress the game eventually

[dense violet]

you need it as a few points, so yes

[wicked nacelle]

once you have 50 smart plates ready to send then you have to build one to unlock more ... unlocks

[turbid kayak]

i gotcha

[turbid kayak]

smart plates, gotchu

[wicked nacelle]

the major sections of the game are separated by sending stuff up the space elevator

[dense violet]

the tiers of the game are a very well laid out tutorial. Very well scafolded to learn

[turbid kayak]

yeah i think im tryna jump a lil far ahead soon will all come crashing down

[dense violet]

we all learn differently 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

each time you send something up the space elevator the game unlocks a new building/recipes that requires learning new ways of handling resources.

[turbid kayak]

one thing i saw on videos tho were alternate recipes through the MAM but no explanation on what i need to get those recipes

[wicked nacelle]

There's only a few. mostly getting alternate recipes is through researching hard drives from crashed ships in the MAM

oh. duh. sorry I was thinking like turbo fuel.

you'll find crashed ships around the map and they contain a hard drive. The top option in the MAM is "research hard drive" or something. it takes 10 minutes and then at the end it offers you a choice of two alternate recipes and youc an pick one. You can also 'reroll' it for 2 different recipe options but you are then stuck between those two

[dense violet]

just unlock the tech trees in them

it'll tell you everything you need to unlock a step

the vast majority of the info you need for the game is right inside the game
the wiki has a few extra bits but is mostly just a very convenient collated spot with it all together

like, imo, it's much easier comparing recipes on the wiki than going through your codex

you can follow chains and look around much faster

[brave horizon]

I can't get my merger to face forward

[dense violet]

mouse wheel to spin

or controller equivalent

[wicked nacelle]

if you put it in the middle of a belt it will be forced to be the right direction.

I always put the belt down then put mergers/splitters on it

control button makes it lock to matching a machine input/output (not sure about console)

[dense violet]

avoid placing splitters/mergers directly on belts

it can lead to issues with hiding lower mk belts inside the merger/splitter
and harder to line them up to the machines they are feeding as they slide along it

if you do end up needing to place them directly on a belt for any reason, rebuild the connecting belt connections

[wicked nacelle]

nah, don't listen to cobalt. apparently he doesn't know about the control key

and you don't have to rebuild connecting belts, just don't leave little section past the end of a belt section after the last merger/splitter

[dense violet]

and you ignore the constant issues with small sections of belts hidden in mergers/splitters that constantly crop up.

[wicked nacelle]

build a long single belt, put mergers/splitters on it as needed then the last little bit at the end, delete it and build another long section

[dense violet]

same with pipe junctions, if you build them on pipe, rebuild the pipe sections connecting them

saves possible future issues

[wicked nacelle]

no, don't do that. that's silly. and once you unlock mk2 pipes you'll never use anything else

that's AWFUL advice, thanks Cobalt

at least with belts you do have to worry about upgrading them over the course of the entire game being weird if you have tiny slivers of belts, but with pipes there aren't any issues because you get mk2 quickly and then never go back

but sure if you want you can build a long pipe, put on junctions, then delete the tail at the end then build another long pipe off the last junction

[south canyon]

TIL you can place miners on top of foundation

[reef basin]

yeah but it looks horrible

[wicked nacelle]

yes, if you want them world-grid aligned that's how you have to do it

[south canyon]

Put a foundation on the corner of a node, place the miner, and then fill in the area underneath

[reef basin]

why would I want to use world grid 🙁

[wicked nacelle]

I don't but many people care about that

[dense violet]

it also doesn't line up miners to the world grid

[wicked nacelle]

I can't check now but I swear it does

[reef basin]

miners can't really be WG-aligned and it's just one right-angled belt from connecting it to WG anyway

if you for some reason want WG, which is also kinda pointless

[south canyon]

#screenshots message

[wicked nacelle]

i thought they snapped to the foundation if you build it on them

[south canyon]

So sleek

[south canyon]

It's not about world grid

I just want a flat space to put my machinery on

[reef basin]

horrible, you're literally mining the concrete of the foundation

[reef basin]

that doesn't mean the miner needs to be on foundations tho

[south canyon]

It does

Otherwise I have to do ugly stuff with ramps and then it doesn't align with the ramps

[reef basin]

no? you can just have foundations next to them

don't even need ramps

[turbid kayak]

why wont my conveyor splitter let my intake be the right way?

[wicked nacelle]

obvisuly this is just aesthetics, so do whatever you feel good with 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

you always have to have some belt -- you can't attach them directly to machines

the belt can be VERY small but it has to have belt.

[turbid kayak]

yeah i have the belt coming out but the input is not the right way

[wicked nacelle]

there are mods for PC that allow it but in vanilla it has to

[wicked nacelle]

did you rotate it so the inputs/outputs are facing the right directions?

make sure you'r enot connecting two outs or two ins

[turbid kayak]

so i have a belkt coming out of limestone that i want into a splitter but i can only roatate it 3 ways the way i need it it wont got

[wicked nacelle]

weird

[south canyon]

I'ld rather that than have a hole in my foundation

[wicked nacelle]

as we just discussed you can put the splitter ON the belt and that will force the alignment

then you can delete the rest of the belt after if you so desire

[dense violet]

image of what you're trying to do?

[reef basin]

not hole. Build foundations next to the nodes

[south canyon]

One of the troubles with foundation- everything has to be on the foundation, or not on the foundation

[turbid kayak]

on xbox so it wont be good quality lol, would have to take with phone

[wicked nacelle]

that's fine

[dense violet]

sure

[turbid kayak]

in images

its backwords rightnow and my rotate wont work

[reef basin]

do consoles not have screenshots?

[turbid kayak]

they do but its a painful process to try and send it here

[dense violet]

try rotating a different object. Might need to save and restart

[turbid kayak]

everything else has full 360 motion

[dense violet]

now go back to it and try again?

[dense violet]

oh you locked the hologram

[turbid kayak]

nothing, everywhere i go it has wont face NW

[turbid kayak]

that was just so i could get a sideview lol

[dense violet]

so when you spin it it just skips an angle?

[turbid kayak]

i cant send videos there cna i

[turbid kayak]

yes

[dense violet]

you can in vids

save and reload, that's weird

[turbid kayak]

tagged u in vids

[dense violet]

Does it skip the same direction no mater what way you face?

[turbid kayak]

yeah it was , a restart fixed it lol

game works in strange ways

[reef basin]

(also for the future, #1038092680493801533 might have been better place to put these)

[turbid kayak]

yeah i already hate the way i placed this all

[wicked nacelle]

don't worry you'll hate the next way you do it too 🙂

[reef basin]

leave it be but learn a lesson for future builds 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

and the next time... and the next time

but you'll learn each time

[turbid kayak]

i have realized that its not the 90 you guys were talking about and now it makes me sad

will rebuild

[trim sable]

@rigid vessel I saw your screenshot. Don't make the factory I did is my advice (:

[turbid merlin]

Are stators used for anything other than making motors?

Like is it worth keeping a container of them

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch stator

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=stator

[dense violet]

Restart often fixes things 🙂

[turbid merlin]

Thanks

[wicked nacelle]

you'll need more stators than you'll ever imagine and they'll get used for making space elevator parts, so having a bunch of them around can help if you're going to just set up a temp factory for those parts

so yeah having a couple industrial containers of them is a great idea

[turbid merlin]

Was gonna do 5/min at my motor factory

[wicked nacelle]

oh how young and naive these players are 😄

[turbid merlin]

Its my first factory for it

[reef basin]

unless you automate project parts, at which point it's pointless to store

[reef basin]

should be enough for rest of the game

[wicked nacelle]

for sure. and you'll get better tools for building more later. but you'll easily need to 10x that going forward and then probably double that later 🙂

uhhh

"enough for the rest of the game"??

[turbid merlin]

Havent played this far into the game before, so i'm just setting up small factories and then i'll do bigger ones afterwards. Just getting a feel for how things work

[wicked nacelle]

well, no need to make them before you need them regardless, so if you find you need more make more 🙂

[reef basin]

yeah, maybe when you start spamming refineries/blenders you may want to increase production a bit, but if you have a large container, it should be just fine

[turbid kayak]

im glad there is no getting stuck in this game really, atleast early on, i just destroyed everything i had made to remodel and i used to much material and can just get more

[wicked nacelle]

yep, this game is super forgiving for "mistakes"

though "if it's dumb and it works then it's not dumb" is a great mantra for this game, IMHO

[reef basin]

5/min means a building (refinery/manufacturer) every 2 minutes, depends how fast you're using them

[turbid kayak]

lol

[wicked nacelle]

except you need turbomotors too. so 5/min jsut for building may be fine but you'll want more for parts for other parts

[reef basin]

turbomotors will have their own motors produced

[wicked nacelle]

I'm not sure that's obvious to some of the newer folk 🙂

[reef basin]

usually I'd recommend building each factory from scratch (ores -> product), and never connect factories to factories, unless planned ahead of time

[south canyon]

how should I handle having many different iron ore veins but needing lots of different iron products in one place

[turbid kayak]

same thing with the splitter again. so weird

[reef basin]

see also https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[wicked nacelle]

can you share screen somehow from xbox? -- either in discord or like.. twitch stream?

[reef basin]

see the link above 🙂

[south canyon]

yeah

[turbid kayak]

id have to link my discord account and im only gonna be on for 10 more min

[south canyon]

Might have to build a big area for ironworks

[wicked nacelle]

I'm guessing that something weird is going on with your setup -- this would be pretty fundamental bug to ship with -- the ability to place mergers/splitters is like... SUPER core to the entire game

[reef basin]

but generally - build each factory near nodes it needs. Don't start with nodes and think "what can I build here", go the other way - start with a product you want to make and find a place to build it

[south canyon]

Need reinforced iron plates

[turbid kayak]

i would agree other than after a restart it fixes

[reef basin]

eh, that's the exact opposite of what the link suggests. Obviously it's your choice, but I wouldn't recommend centralisation like you're saying

[south canyon]

Should I use stitched plates...

[wicked nacelle]

it's possible you're pressing some modifier that changes your build setup and restarting it changes it back -- it may be something you're doing that you don't realize that you can undo other ways than restarting

[reef basin]

do you like the recipe? or to be more precise - figure out the whole recipe chain with recipes you like

[south canyon]

I should definitely get more coal power then,

[hard ivy]

They go well with iron wire

[wicked nacelle]

stitched plates with iron wire is a nice combo

[turbid kayak]

more than likely you are right

[south canyon]

DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS AN IRON WIRE RECIPE

caps lock,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[wicked nacelle]

no, it's a good enough recipe to deserve all caps 🙂

[turbid kayak]

me when wrong reply

[reef basin]

(that's why you avoid the discord, people here spoil you everything)

[wicked nacelle]

funny thing about iron wire is that there's not really a big efficiency hit to using it over copper -- you'd think they'd make you be inefficient for using the wrong ore type but it reall doesn't

[misty fjord]

@apocalyptechheavyindustries

[turbid merlin]

Thats what i am indeed doing, No factory interconnects atm

[reef basin]

what kind of efficiency are we talking? 🤔

[wicked nacelle]

well, specifically the amount of iron needed to make a reinforced plate IIRC

[south canyon]

Conductivity I assume?

[wicked nacelle]

stitched plate with iron wire is the most iron efficient I think. which feels wrong because it simplifies the recipe and removes screws that so many people are afriad of

[reef basin]

stitched plate with copper wire is more iron efficient

[wicked nacelle]

obviously I meant an all-iron recipe chain

and while copper is trash tier it's often easier to just use iron anyhow. and especially for blueprinting it simplifies the process to just use iron ingots as input

[reef basin]

which comes back to the classic "it all depends on your preferences" 🙂

[turbid kayak]

its never just ten more minuites with this game

[wicked nacelle]

No.

and after ten minutes you look and it's been an hour even if you think you're trying

[turbid kayak]

but i said it would be quick

[wicked nacelle]

that's why I'm happy that I finally beat the game to my satisfaction on the... 8th time through it I think

Ill rejigger that save when 1.2 comes out but not a fresh playthrough I'm sure -- assuming they sanitized fluid flows. I'll take out a bunch of my workarounds

[hard ivy]

Make sure to check all available recipes before committing to build anything big. They can be incredibly helpful

[turbid kayak]

automated screws surely wont need 10 million of these

[wicked nacelle]

problem with screws is that if you try to build them all in one place you'll have to have a TON of belts to get them out because things need so many of them. They saturate the belts for a low number of build items that use them

[turbid kayak]

spaggeti

[wicked nacelle]

but if you build a belt's worth at a time where you need them then they're easily managed

[turbid kayak]

well rightnow im building something that i know i already need to adjust in the morning

dont ahve time tonight

[reef basin]

build a machine making screws in front of machine that need screws. As simple as that (and works for many more things than just screws)

[wicked nacelle]

if you just keep playing it will be time to keep playing more soon enough 🙂

[wary perch]

Almost as efficient as adding other liquids that I can put in the coffee cup would be at making my day better

[turbid kayak]

i need mk2 powerlines so bad, 4 input output is so gross

[wicked nacelle]

yes, especially because the upgrade in USEFUL connections is massive. mk1 only has 2 useful connections

[wicked nacelle]

Secret thing I didn't know -- you can put a power pole in the middle of an existing power wire

[quaint edge]

that really works only up until stage 4 and you get to oil

[turbid kayak]

yeah i have way to many powerlines for how little i have

[wicked nacelle]

just point the power pole build tool at a power wire and it will split the power wire for you

[turbid kayak]

i saw that but not sure how on xbox

[wicked nacelle]

on pc you just point and then click build I think. or maybe click build to split then build again where you want it?

[turbid kayak]

i hate where i built

im very how do i say this

trapped

[reef basin]

good thing you can just pack your hub and move it elsewhere 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

the map is designed so that no matter where you build you'll have to go elsewhere eventually so don't worry about it

[turbid kayak]

i know what i must do

i must go up

[wicked nacelle]

go to bed and sleep on it 🙂

it's been 10 minutes

[turbid kayak]

has it reallyyy tho

[wicked nacelle]

and there's always just one more thing

the game yells at you for playing too long for a reason -- because people do

[turbid kayak]

have not run into that quite yet

[wicked nacelle]

"ficsit offers employees a 2 minute break each day to make sure they stay refreshed" or whatever

[turbid kayak]

alr but ima dip out prolly get on a for a few before work

got that solid biofuel like u said tho

[wicked nacelle]

nighty night. give the kitty a scritch

[silent sky]

Developers, thank you for releasing the game on PS5, I've been waiting for it for two years.

[wicked nacelle]

no developers here, but yeah. console release has taken some time but it seems like it came out in a reasonable level of quality -- most of the bugs are just the same bugs in the PC version.

which while not great at least means that people don't have to learn a whole new slew of them just to help our console bretheren

[turbid kayak]

i want to watch videos on satisfactory but i feel as if they will give me to much information and will change the way i play the game

[reef basin]

yeah, it's generally not recommended by most people here

[turbid kayak]

sad, i’m tired but yearn for more

[ember hatch]

I've heard most youtube guides are built for views instead of actually useful content

[silent sky]

Im french so sorry for my low english, i have now 9h of game play and i reach the tier 3 of the HUB

[turbid kayak]

even still gives away more information than i currently know about

[reef basin]

many youtube guides contain subjective or even wrong information

and yes, many youtubers put out videos for entertainment/views, rather than actual learning value

[zenith pecan]

I only created a couple of guides for specific stuff, definitely not made for views 😛

[fiery pewter]

Nice

Well done

[silent sky]

And no bugs or crash like some other games released year ago

[crimson lantern]

Loving every second of this game, but I gotta ask. Is the pop in this bad on PC or is it a console thing?

[zenith pecan]

Though I am curious, can our console cousins get under the map 😄

[silent sky]

I let my console on for generate ressources

[fiery pewter]

I have a feeling you also know Kibitz. Recently he published a vid on the "ultimate" Satisfactory guide, and when he was talking about starting locations, didn't tell about the oil in the Dune Dessert. Not to nitpick, but still, not the most informative

[fiery pewter]

You know what? That's pretty smart

[fiery pewter]

So you're right

[reef basin]

oh kibitz is definitely someone whom should be watched only for entertainment value (if he has any), not for anything else. I haven't been watching his videos much lately, so it may have changed, but back then all his "tutorials" were bad and often wrong

[fiery pewter]

Yeah, I watch for the entertainment

[reef basin]

that means you don't have enough production if you need to do that

[fiery pewter]

Satisfactory is a game that you really need to explore yourself

[turbid kayak]

i would but i do not yet have a consistent source of fuel

[fiery pewter]

Once you reach coal power it becomes viable

Because then you have the first "infinite" power source

As in, it doesn't require any more work

[turbid kayak]

just unlocked solid biomass, but it is now time to get off because otherwise i won’t go to work tomorrow

[fiery pewter]

Lol

Go sleep pioneer

[wicked nacelle]

on PC I speed up time now instead of leaving the game on since I learned how to do that. but yeah, same idea

[zenith pecan]

All I ask if anyone does view any kind of guide I created, just let me know if I stuffed it up.

[fiery pewter]

Some console commands?

[fiery pewter]

You create guides?

[wicked nacelle]

nah, third party app called "cheat engine" - has a slider that adjusts game speed in basically any game

[fiery pewter]

Where

[fiery pewter]

Ah, explains

[zenith pecan]

I only created a couple so far, one for making double doors and another to get under the map 😄

[fiery pewter]

This replying to Zula

[wicked nacelle]

it just 'hacks' the clock calls the game makes to the OS and replaces it with results that speed up time passage between calls from the game

[fiery pewter]

Ag

[fiery pewter]

Ok

Can see how that can be useful

[wicked nacelle]

like when hand crafting stuff 🙂

20x speed clankclankclaknclacnlacnka

[fiery pewter]

The only guide I ever really used for Satisfactory was SpectrumDad's guide on automating tier 1 stuff

[fiery pewter]

That just

Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt

[wicked nacelle]

the game usually does well wth it as long as your CPU can keep up. once your CPU falls behind it starts getting weird

[wicked nacelle]

yeah it's crazy

trains start hitting each other when signals should stop it from happening, resource counts start getting lost. but even just exploring at 2x is so much nicer

[fiery pewter]

Lol

[fiery pewter]

Eventually I figured out how to automate modular frames from a singular normal iron node

Crazy splitter work

[wicked nacelle]

I hvae a blueprint that takes iron ingots in and has frames out that's tileable

so yeah, it's def doable

[vapid portal]

Did you use ||smart splitters||?

[wicked nacelle]

not really necessary in this case

manifolds will solve all rate problems and there arne't any issues with routing

[vapid portal]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hard ivy]

More like normal splitter work

Unless you did something unnecessary that happened to be crazy lol

[sterile blade]

Normal splitters are very powerful. They can even be used in some sushi manifolds

[edgy swift]

I have 4800 iron orePM. I am using 1200PM to make 4800 Ingots PM. What recipes are best to use for them?

[silent sky]

I just erase forest 🫠

[reef basin]

recipes for... ingots?

[edgy swift]

No Ingots-Mats

[sterile blade]

Using Ingots to make Ingots?

[edgy swift]

Iron Ore*

4800 Iron ore

-# This is what 600 hours of pure calculations gets you

[reef basin]

eh, don't make stuff and then ask "what to do with it" 😄

make things you need, this game isn't really designed for your approach

[sterile blade]

I (and probably "we") figured, but it was funny :P

[edgy swift]

I mean, I got 4800 iron ore

[reef basin]

keep it until you need it

[sterile blade]

Sink it until you need it

[edgy swift]

I need 168 smelters...

Hmm, Okay. MK6 Belts would be alright

[reef basin]

(also seems like you're centralising production, my recommendation would be to avoid that, but then again you can play in any way you want)

[edgy swift]

Well.

4 Pure iron, 2 pure copper 2 pure limestone (I think) and 1 pure caterium nearby

4 Normal coal another pure over the coast

And a normal copper.

[reef basin]

yeah but nothing says you need to process all of it and now

no harm in leaving the resources there until you need them

[edgy swift]

I am aiming to produce everything in the game.

I have done the whole game and deleted everything. Now I need to do factory work

[south canyon]

should I bother looking for pure iron resource nodes

my base is already set up near impure ones

[reef basin]

nah, any nodes are fine

[edgy swift]

Early game, no. Late game, Perferred

[reef basin]

yeah then figure out how much you want to produce, start from end product and calculate how many ores that product needs, then find a place to build it that has the resources nearby. Repeat for every product

[south canyon]

i'm tier 3-4

[edgy swift]

True

[edgy swift]

Mid game, Start preparing to find some

[reef basin]

no matter what tier you are, any nodes are fine. You don't really care if it's pure or impure, you only care if it can feed the factory you want to build near it, if not, go find a different node cluster or ship more ores to the location

[vapid portal]

My base is using 1 pure node rn, I’m still a bit in early game but I HAVE TOO MUCH RAW IRON

[reef basin]

yeah, 90% of the game you're bottlenecked by your belt when using pure nodes

[vapid portal]

I have 300h but I still dunno how to sort it in early game😭🙏

[reef basin]

clocking always helps

[vapid portal]

I AM😭

[reef basin]

clock the miner to the amount you need for given factory

often helps to stop thinking about "nodes" and start thinking about "I need 150/min"

[hard ivy]

per minute is /min

[vapid portal]

If I have 3 pure nodes, 1 copper, 1 limestone, 1 iron then I need to start thinking about what to do with it😭🙏🙏

[reef basin]

yeah that's the problem. Don't do that

start with end product, e.g. "I want to make 20/min computers", work backwards what recipes you want to use, you'll end up with a list of raw resources, then find a place that has those resources and build there

[vapid portal]

Efficiency

[reef basin]

efficiency doesn't change with my approach

[zenith pecan]

I use that approach when designing chains, x turbo motors, add more motors for what I want into stores etc.

[vapid portal]

Eh I’m nearly done making my solid biofuel, so I can finally turn my factory’s power back on, then ima connect excess to the awesome sink, that’s why I use pure nodes

[vapid portal]

[reef basin]

not sure why it would? 🤔

[vapid portal]

Well

[vapid portal]

With the awesome sink you can buy resources and new parts

It’s a bin but with a purpose

[reef basin]

how does that change anything about efficiency

[vapid portal]

By wasting my time and buying 100s of resources to make me feel happy and THINK it was worth it

[compact copper]

fr

[haughty torrent]

What's a good biome to setup long term steel production?

[reef basin]

somewhere with iron and coal (or oil, possibly sulfur)

(also don't build "for future", build what you need now)

[sterile blade]

@spark ruin?

[edgy swift]

Does anyone know someone who can build a high scale Nuclear Power Plant (100 NPPs). I just need it so I can start off with my full world (I have advanced game settings on)

I like building for fun :)

[south canyon]

i may be addicted

[hollow wyvern]

Did you know dying is an even faster transport method than hyper tubes

[south canyon]

No?

You have to go back and get your items too

[hollow wyvern]

Yes but you still moved hell fast

[south canyon]

It's half as efficient as walking to the HUB

The HUB... Reminds me of another type of HUB

I need to know what it stands for now

[hollow wyvern]

Oh which hub, that's nice your life is rich enough to make connections like that

[sterile blade]

Do you know there's a setting for "no power"?

[south canyon]

?

[sterile blade]

Habitat and Utility Base?
I don't recall well, ADA mentions it during the tutorial

[south canyon]

That would make sense

[leaden turret]

!wikisearch HUB

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=HUB

[hollow wyvern]

I know I'm doing it right cause I keep running out of encased industrial beam while i make my encased industrial beam factory

[haughty torrent]

How do I do the mini nudges on controller?

[hollow wyvern]

So this whole time I've been doing my math using the normal steel ingot recipe, and now i find out there is a more efficient recipe? Bruh

[reef basin]

well, that depends on what do you mean by "efficient" 🙂

there's many "efficiencies" that people mean, the game itself defines efficiency as "% of time that the machine is running"

[hollow wyvern]

Less iron and less coal means more steel, am i missing something?

[reef basin]

but some people use it to talk about power efficiency, space efficiency, raw resource efficiency, specific resource efficiency, etc etc.

[reef basin]

more production steps

[hollow wyvern]

What's the extra production step

[reef basin]

(well, depending on which recipe are we talking about)

there's multiple steel ingot recipes

so idk which one you mean 😉

[hollow wyvern]

Oh they have to be iron ingots not iron ore

I think that's the only "disadvantage"

So more power consumption

[reef basin]

when compared in vacuum like you did, possibly.

but comparison in vacuum is kinda weird to do 😄

(usually you want to compare whole production line from start to finish, as many recipes do well when combined with other recipes, also it depends on location, available resources and preferences of the person)

though yeah, if you're looking for ore->ingot ratio increase, then solid steel is one of the options to do so

[hollow wyvern]

this game just gets more complicated the more i learn

[turbid merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1435919448253923410

Anyone able to give me their thoughts, Confused as hell right now

[reef basin]

well the nice part is that there's practically no "bad" choice, you can do whatever you want and there's not many permanent decisions that wouldn't be reversible

[reef basin]

no need to post in multiple channels. Usually it takes a bit of time for people to respond, especially this early in morning (EU time)

[remote crest]

When you have the hologram up to build something, lock the hologram, and manipulate the left joystick to nudge (I think lol)

[fiery pewter]

Between the miner and the smelters were about 8 to 9 splitters

[tawdry charm]

Does anyone even use tractors? (i do)

[distant pebble]

Yes (once and never again since)

[dense violet]

Sure

[tawdry charm]

why

[distant pebble]

Belts and Trains just seem way more efficient, easier to maintain and easier to expand

nowadays i build a blueprint with several belts and let auto-connect do its thing

Also: No fuel needed

[south canyon]

on what level should I avoid centrsalisation

for me it's just quite convenient because I've got 8 iron resource nodes (impure) ina small area

[dense violet]

however level you want

use the tiers as a tutorial to figure out how you like to build things

[leaden turret]

decentralisation can be a means to manage graphical perf, because less stuff to try and render by accident cos you looked the wrong way

[south canyon]

walls....

[leaden turret]

instanced rendering = occlusion culling doesn't always run because it's more expensive to check if stuff should be occluded

[south canyon]

and, is there a "neat" way to cross conveyors over each other

[leaden turret]

stackable conveyor poles

[south canyon]

?

not really sure

[leaden turret]

(they can go higher than normal poles)

if you're talking cross over as in run in parralel then stackable, if you're talking perpendicular, then yes also conveyor poles, but can also use conveyor lifts

[south canyon]

how to avoid spagetti

[leaden turret]

make lasagn https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=lasagn

[south canyon]

no like

how do I make it neat

[leaden turret]

stick stuff on foundations, because snapping

[south canyon]

what about routing conveyors

[leaden turret]

• bus
• ceiling mount / wall mount
• logistics floor

[south canyon]

logistics floor.................

could do that

[leaden turret]

floor just for belts, so you use conveyor holes to bring them up/down to production

[south canyon]

how do I avoid overlapping belts

[leaden turret]

☝️

[shy mulch]

Arrange your machines in a way that overlapping belts aren't needed

[south canyon]

how can I do that

[south canyon]

???

my base rn is just a slab of foundations

[frail sleet]

8 impure iron is ~3% of one resource and in several places there's that much just sitting nearby. Don't worry about that

[dense violet]

you can raise belt stands

use 3d space

[south canyon]

I don't know. Am I worrying about spaghetti too much?

I'm both lazy and a perfectionist, I know I will slap just one more assembler and call it a day

[leaden turret]

embrace the spaghett https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=spaghett

[south canyon]

I don wanna

[leaden turret]

🍝

[south canyon]

Well, time to make yet another morbillion foundations to make a conveyor layer

[formal hollow]

heya

[south canyon]

hi

[formal hollow]

how are you

[south canyon]

good

[formal hollow]

how do i get cheap electricity early on

i keep having to refill the biomass burners

[dense violet]

get past the pre tutorial that you're in

also turn your bio mass into solid biomass, longer burn time

[sharp basin]

There a 4 (lesser) iron spots side by side right near my starting spot, good idea to start farming iron there (with a shitty base of course) I’m’still learning EVERYTHING)?

[dense violet]

it's fine?

there is no meta in this game, just learn the basics

[shy mulch]

Literally anywhere is fine for a starter base

[hard ivy]

Upgrade from leaves/wood to biomass to solid biofuel. Automate turning leaves/wood into biomass/biofuel and putting the biomass/biofuel into the gens

[solemn crystal]

back then you had to manually put fuel into the burners 😔

[sharp basin]

Yeah it really makes a difference (leaves into biomasss?)

[dense violet]

yes? bio mass then solid bio mass

[solemn crystal]

theres probably some complex calculation on the wiki that talks about the ratios

but yes, it makes a difference

[leaden turret]

#math-and-meta

[hard ivy]

It makes a huge difference. 6x to be exact

[hard ivy]

9x when going from wood

[sharp basin]

Very good to know for my very starting base ✨

[sharp basin]

Wood is worse than leaves? 🤔

[hard ivy]

No, it makes a lot more biomass

[sharp basin]

It’s possible to make a biomass factory?

[waxen robin]

Yes but you need to make the first drop

[sharp basin]

Wdym bro?

[waxen robin]

You need to act as the ore miner

[hard ivy]

You can automate turning wood/leaves into it, yes. But you still have to collect the ingredients yourself

[waxen robin]

Iv personally just rushed to coal power cause collecting biomass is such a drag

[south canyon]

main benefit of coal power is it not being manual

[waxen robin]

Yup

[crimson lantern]

So

Watched the video called "good news everyone"

What does the guy mean by "why are you using 60GB of ram"?

I'm not a PC guy so it's confusing to me

[waxen robin]

Ram is random access memory

[crimson lantern]

Oh

[waxen robin]

Housing 60 gigabytes of nam means your little PC sound like an a jet engine in short terms if your console booted that world it would fri

[zenith pecan]

My old save at its peak just before 1.0 used 47gb of ram.

[peak wasp]

Having 60 gigs of ram is just enough to stream edit and play late game satisfactory

[crimson lantern]

Oh lol 😅

So basically if you have a world that big, its too big

[peak wasp]

Is a steam deck good for late game satisfactory? probably not if they only have 16 gigs

[waxen robin]

Little steam deck will need new fans

[nocturne sentinel]

i only have 16gigs of ram in my pc

[waxen robin]

And a water coller attached 🤣

[peak wasp]

same and same

I need to start building a new pc or get a laptop that can last the next 5 years or so

[zenith pecan]

Thats less than my graphics card memory 😱

[nocturne sentinel]

hey i got my pc as a gift 3 years ago

16gb of ram is still good

and 30fps is still playable

[dense violet]

16 is fine, it's generally a cpu bottleneck

[waxen robin]

Tbf thats all you get in the ps5 guilty mode

Quality

[nocturne sentinel]

yeah its true as a it guy i go with the medium setting in any game and cap it 30-120fps

also they could add that x mount of stuff in conveyor belts are render in

[leaden turret]

@grave burrow we've briefly discussed your saves on consoles, what about on steamdeck?

[zenith pecan]

Don't work for my saves 😞

[nocturne sentinel]

have you tried using less ram🤓 ☝️

[zenith pecan]

I just installed more 🤷‍♂️

[nocturne sentinel]

how much do you have

[zenith pecan]

64gb ram, gpu has 24gb vram.

[nocturne sentinel]

alr sounds good

[scenic mirage]

nasa computer alliance rise up 😤

whatre your specs

[nocturne sentinel]

but try to buy a moded gpus with more Vram

[zenith pecan]

I do edit video, being able to go full on crazy mode with construction in game is more of a side benefit.

[nocturne sentinel]

true

[scenic mirage]

i think being able to go crazy mode is the better part and video editing is a side benefit

saving the world always comes first 😉

[nocturne sentinel]

if you think about it

[south canyon]

is 36GiB VRAM+WRAM good for lategame

[scenic mirage]

plenty

[south canyon]

It's shared between the GPU and CPU

[nocturne sentinel]

can helldivers and satisfactory be conneted

[scenic mirage]

rocking 64gb ram and 24gb vram

[nocturne sentinel]

im rocking with 16gb of ram and 8gb of vram

works fine for me

[south canyon]

Nintendo Switch Satisfact ory

[nocturne sentinel]

no

[south canyon]

Honestly suprised it only has 4GiB RAM

Isn't it shared for the whole SoC, too?

[nocturne sentinel]

satisfactory on raspberry pi 3

[scenic mirage]

SoC?

[zenith pecan]

System on a chip.

[sharp basin]

Oh yeah I guessed that, so no way to automate biomass production?

[south canyon]

CPU, GPU, PHY (hardware interface for USB, Ethernet. Video, etc) and usually some other miscellaneous things. But usually not RAM

[south canyon]

Yes

Though I have a container with 2.5k leaves sitting at my sulfur node

You don't need to collect leaves at that high a rate

[sharp basin]

You’re probably canadian

[south canyon]

?

[sharp basin]

So I should look for coal as soon as possible?

[trim sorrel]

Guys is the crash bug fixed on console? i mean the bug from linking the epic account

[sharp basin]

Sorry about that 🤔

[south canyon]

I'm even more confused now

[waxen robin]

Ideally is in tear 2

[zenith pecan]

❤️ coal early game, It puts chill into gameplay, no babysitting the electric.

[crimson lantern]

Soooooo

Question

[leaden turret]

42

[crimson lantern]

Do you make multiple factories?

[zenith pecan]

I do.

[crimson lantern]

I ask because I find this game to overwhelming, my organisational skills are abysmal

[unique wasp]

Everyone's first factories are chaos, you'll figure out how to plan them out as you go

[sharp basin]

Don’t be bro, stupid joke, I’m sorry

[leaden turret]

decentralised factories = good

[crimson lantern]

?

[peak wasp]

wait until you get alternate recipes. you'll wanna rebuild everything you started with

[crimson lantern]

Oh okay

[zenith pecan]

Having multiple factories is one way to organise things, into their own buildings, start doing multi-product buildings later when you feel the time is right.