satisfactory

[dim cradle]

I'd need to like drop a nuke on the area to clear out all those rocks

[dense violet]

just make sure tehre are no head on collisions I think?

[dim cradle]

it deadlocks them as long as they just butt heads during the route right? My coal truck route goes across practically the whole thing. I'd need to make a second one that kind of goes around it somehow, but easier said than done...

[feral geyser]

Two-lane highways with roundabout intersections are usually pretty good

[sturdy mural]

bridge !!!

[dim cradle]

well someone said they get stuck on manmade things easily so I was wanting to just use terrain

[sturdy mural]

well if you're making them balance on a foundation wide snake-y road then maybe
but they also have failsafes

[mortal ginkgo]

not related. if they are going to smooch, it gonna deadlock. Manmade stuff has nothing to do with it.

otherwise they try their best to give way to each other. I got alot of intersections going all around but no direct headbutts so I dont get deadlocks.

[dim cradle]

So is it basically if their paths take them directly towards each other?

If so that makes it a lot easier

[mortal ginkgo]

yes, if they literally go towards each other, it deadlocks.

other wise they cutely stop for other to pass etc. it is really fun to watch them do their thing.

Also a suggestion is to not have ultra wide turns if there is an intersection.

make a smol and slow turn

[wicked nacelle]

A better suggestion is skip trucks and just wait for trains.

By the time you need to move stuff significant distances you have trains

[dim cradle]

I have trains, I also have a train

But just for fun.......

[sturdy mural]

who needs trains

7300km of belts 🔥

[dim cradle]

Yeah 7300km of belts is legit, I only made a train because it was oil and I wasn't gonna make that much piping

pipes can go to hell

[mortal ginkgo]

Wrong. Belts are better than trains as trains can be pain to work in some cases.

See what I did there? My solution was as silly as yours.

He wants to use trucks. So we help him using trucks.

I love using tractors especially. They solve my issues and I dont even need to wait trains.

[sturdy mural]

turn some oil into packages

[mortal ginkgo]

"wait till x" is so silly to suggest. might as well "wait till finishing the game" to open it all up

[dim cradle]

I'm just loading my oil into the train and then dropping it down lol

[mortal ginkgo]

[dim cradle]

#screenshots message

Who needs pumps when you have gravity

[mortal ginkgo]

Oh dear Lord have mercy on that image and its owner

[cunning siren]

Grassy is low on shromage too 🤔, I'll have to venture out and yoink some

[tropic sinew]

Have the devs still not fixed the constructor animation issue where the cables on the robotic arms don't flop around?

[tropic sinew]

Hopefully they fix fluid cars in 1.2

[mortal ginkgo]

but but packaging is fun

[dim cradle]

Something wrong with fluids on a train?

Seems to be working fine to me

[sturdy mural]

2 drops of liquid per car

[shrewd palm]

packaging and throwing it on a refular freight car is more efficient than just putting it in a fluid freight car

[mortal ginkgo]

some says the amount they carry is low but some people says pipes are fine so I wouldnt listen to only some people of this community. Just kek at them and move on.

packaging comes with complexity but its cool.

also packaging gas is always better

[shrewd palm]

well its more efficient in terms of storage

whether or not you want to make a bunch of packagers is up to you tho

[dim cradle]

I mean I was considering making a completely solid factory where no fluids were actually transported and everything was packaged. But for just moving a lot of oil it seems to be doing fine...

[dim cradle]

🤔 elaborate?

[sturdy mural]

at bigger things a single freight car is not a lot imo

considering you get like what
20 stacks of items?

[high lintel]

anyone able to help me with my water, its not haveing enough time to get into the coal power genarators and keep them alive, should i add a little biomass burner for a sec to get them to pump to the top or what

[sturdy mural]

32

[shrewd palm]

yes

get some biomass going so the system can support itself

but once a few generators are running consistently you should be good to get rid of the biomass

[sturdy mural]

yep

[shrewd palm]

although manifolds take a while to fill up anyway

[mortal ginkgo]

fill them up nicely manual to speed things up

[feral geyser]

Also make sure you aren't exceeding pipe limits

[mortal ginkgo]

let coal gens be prefilled with coal and water 100% before kickstarting them. Until then keep burners active.

[tropic sinew]

Yeah, cause a an item car with packages holds like 20 or more times more fluid than a fluid car

[tropic sinew]

They should change it though that the fluid cars have 4x the capacity for gas than fluid

[mortal ginkgo]

eh. maybe. maybe not. not a hill to die on.

[tropic sinew]

"Strange hill to die on, but at least you're dead."

[mortal ginkgo]

😭

[hexed phoenix]

Fluids on train is doable no doubt :)

I would however recommend a few steps for getting it working somewhat stable.

1. Time your cycle of the train (example from Unload to next Unload)
2. Multiply the cycle time with how much you need per minute
3. Figure out how many carts you need to ensure you can hold enough Liquid.

Also make sure you have more throughput, than needed - As when train Loads and Unload it stops Infeed and Outfeed port, so u need to make sure u can buffer both, and get “rid” of the buffer before train arrives again :)

[dim cradle]

I already kind of calculated how much oil they produce for each round trip

I gave them more than enough fluid wagons each

I guess though what you all are saying is that packaging it means less carts

[tropic sinew]

I like how people stand by the fact that it's really hard to calculate the number of cars you need on a train for a certain number of items/min. No it isn't.

[hexed phoenix]

Super - just seen ppl saying Train sucks for fluid :) - When they have a 10 minute cycle time, 1 train cart, and 1200 Oil/minute for instance

[tropic sinew]

Yeah

Hmmm

Something seems a bit off

[dim cradle]

lol yeah

that would be silly, I recorded the round trip time via screen recorder than multiplied that by the fill rate of my pumps

Granted I'm going to still need to expand it as I get better pipes and oc the pumps

[stone python]

why do all that work when you can just add more trains untill it isnt an issue anymore

[dim cradle]

I mean it's pretty easy to add carts lol

[tropic sinew]

Also, I don't know when valve changed this, but Proton is automatically enabled when you play games on Linux now. Before you had to go into the settings and force the use of the compatability tool.

[tropic sinew]

Sometimes not the stations though

[dim cradle]

yeah that can be kind of annoying, mine does have a max length limit in the crater I have it in atm

[tough trellis]

guys the detnator isnt reloading, I have cluster nobelisks, do I have to change the type and how?

[zenith pecan]

Hold R if I recall, and select the new bombs.

[tough trellis]

ty!!

[hexed phoenix]

Whatever you do, Dont go back to a Dud :)

For safety reasons

[tough trellis]

oh thats a thing?

[hexed phoenix]

Not really.. just imagining that Batman scene with Joker (Heath Ledger) clicking the detonator multiple times before the bomb went off :)

[zenith pecan]

That was a brilliant piece of improv on the part of Heath Ledger when the pyrotechnics didn't go off on cue.

[feral geyser]

RIP to a real one 😭

[hexed phoenix]

Yeah.. Legendary performance

[visual harness]

what do you guys think is the better of the two crystal oscillator recipes?

[zenith pecan]

The bog standard oscillator is probably the easiest albeit mundane recipe to work with, if you have an overflow of rubber and don't mind spamming ai limiters the alt does provide 80% more oscillators per minute at roughly the same quartz cost.

[charred sandal]

Neat. I made a sort of interactible spreadsheet where I can type in the number of a thing I want and itll spit out how much of each other material I need (based on my chosen recipes)

[dim cradle]

I kind of totally forgot the path for my other truck in the middle of it so it's kind of funny watching the AI try to do the ridiculous path I improvised...

[feral geyser]

Those calculators already exist

[charred sandal]

Yeah, but it wasnt fun using them, and it was fun making it in a layout I preferred

: P lmao

[feral geyser]

More power to ya

[ornate saffron]

cluster nobs?>

[dim cradle]

I don't a factory for anything but normal nobs

all I've needed so far

I somehow managed to yolo improvise a path to and from the stoner node so ig it's fine

[zenith pecan]

Cluster of nukes #screenshots message 🤣

[shrewd palm]

deserved fate for the swamp

well actually

now you just irradiated half the swamp so

mutated spiders?

[zenith pecan]

The radiation went away quickly enough even though I let off a lot of nukes.

[dim cradle]

Maybe if the spiders mutate more they'll just unmutate

[ornate saffron]

maybe turn into real cats that just wana snuggle

[dim cradle]

Either way it can't honestly get that much worse

[shrewd palm]

they'll "snuggle" whether you want it or not i think

[versed mesa]

Ok thanks

[ornate saffron]

the nukes broke my netflix audio lol. had to reload

[zenith pecan]

Opps!

[ornate saffron]

naw thats funny AF

[zenith pecan]

I do tend to throw nuclear devices around with reckless abandon, mostly because I'm using them up as they're rather disappointing.

[charred sandal]

Are there any that exist in a spreadsheet format where you can have multiple adjustable calculations on the same screen?

Or are you just referring to the calcs

Was considering fully fleshing this out, but if it already exists id rather just use that

[dim cradle]

Reckless abandon is about the only proper way to throw nukes

[shrewd palm]

they all do the multiple calculations part but as far as im aware there arent really any in a spreadsheet format

they wouldnt be very user friendly i think

[dim cradle]

Unless you can do abandon but not reckless

Or reckless but not abandon

[feral geyser]

I don't know, I use pencil and paper and brain power

[charred sandal]

Im sure your grade 4 teacher would be proud 😉

lol

[ornate saffron]

i use both but for spreadsheets i just keep track of things and use simple formulas

like everything produced and used by one factory

[zenith pecan]

Until I was told about satisfactory tools, most of my calculations were just data entered into notepad and manually number crunched 🤦‍♂️

[feral geyser]

I'm gonna be real, with the state of math education in public schools nowadays, this stuff is more like 6th or 7th grade.

[charred sandal]

Yeah.

The spreadsheet im working on will have all parts, and Im gonna set it up so each part has its own cell where you can type in how many you want, and itll correspond with another cell in a column with another part to tell you how many you need of it (based on my chosen recipes)

Itll make it so I dont have to do any work when I scale up

[ancient lagoon]

Hm. With trucks, it would be possible to make an automatic animal remains farm, would it not?

[feral geyser]

So many kids are passed up levels in math when they don't have any understanding.

[ancient lagoon]

The killing part, at least. Not so much collecting (sadly)

[feral geyser]

I suppose technically yes, but you would still have to gather them

[charred sandal]

is there a way to turn off a radar tower

[feral geyser]

Unplug it

[charred sandal]

I spose

[ornate saffron]

to save poweR?

[charred sandal]

To make my map not look so obnoxious

unless theres a way to turn the icons off

[zenith pecan]

You can filter returns on the map itself.

[ornate saffron]

on the map menu you can hit the compase and location marker

[feral geyser]

Yeah, you can turn off markers in the map

[dim cradle]

Spreadsheets...

I just mental math everything on the fly...

if I ever had to spreadsheet I think the game would stop being fun for me

[charred sandal]

thanks

[dim cradle]

But Nothing wrong with that btw we all play different

[charred sandal]

I have a crate on the map just labelled "crate"

Its been there for a while....its not a death or dismantle crate

Any clue what it could be? lol

[dim cradle]

Maybe you created that label?

It could be for something completely unrelated

[charred sandal]

Nah its not something I made, otherwise id be able to delete it

like, on the map

I will eventually just go and see, but I dont know what it could possibly be

[golden dew]

Hi! Im new to this server!

I play satisfactory with my dad!

[wary perch]

By putting a different liquid in your coffee cup…oh wait that’s somehow not a feature:(

[dim cradle]

Okay these trucks are kind of cute to use but honestly I probably could have belted every single one of the miners back individually in the time it took for me to set up some of these routes lol

I don't think this can scale at its travel speeds

What sucks is I think the one I made for Limestone, the time you stay paused at the station does seem to matter, so I guess I leave too early. I couldn't simulate it properly since the manual F docking was broken

The coal one docks properly for the right amount of time, and it makes a massive difference in throughput

Can't just go in and edit that one part tho

[shrewd palm]

perhaps they'll give us that in 1.2

[novel heath]

is there a way to bind a keybind to mb4/5

[trim sable]

Is he good at it?

[golden dew]

Yes!

[trim sable]

Good!

[golden dew]

I think i am too!!

[trim sable]

Lol

[golden dew]

R u good at it?

[trim sable]

How far are you?

[trim sable]

Idk I'm only on phase 3

[golden dew]

I just started 7 days ago!

[trim sable]

Lol

[golden dew]

Nice!

Im on phase 2

I think

[trim sable]

I have had the game for almost a year now and a few months ago finished phase 2 (I'm very slow)

[golden dew]

Ive had it during 1.0 at the start of it but me and my dad just didnt play it for a while

[trim sable]

I am going through the pain of worldwide logistics

[golden dew]

Around a year ago

Ohhhhhhhh dang that sucks

Do u play with friends or by ur self?

[trim sable]

By myself

[golden dew]

Ohhhh nice

[trim sable]

I've always wanted to play with one of my friends or my dad

[golden dew]

Oh why havent u??

[trim sable]

None of my friends are that interested except 2 but those 2 don't have powerful enough computers

Lol

[golden dew]

Oh dang

I can make a new one for us if u wanna tomorrow

[trim sable]

I'm not sure

[golden dew]

Btw its getting late so i should soon head off

[golden dew]

Ok np

U dont have to

[trim sable]

Ok gn don't let the bed bite (when you go to bed)

[ornate saffron]

that ain't no bed... its a mimic

[trim sable]

You sure?

[golden dew]

lol

[trim sable]

It looks an awful lot like a bed

[golden dew]

Kk night! Btw @trim sable just ask if u wanna its FUN with friends!

Im always down!

[trim sable]

Ok

[golden dew]

Kk night!

[trim sable]

Gn

[quiet citrus]

What time is satisfactory launching on Tuesday (4th) And how much will it be in GPB?

[weary stream]

im trying to go for an ultra-satellite playthrough, and im wondering would it be a good idea to bring all my ores to a central location to turn them into ingots and then ship them to individual factories? or should i not satellite THAT hard?
like what is the most basic component that i should centralize and what components are so basic that i should just have each factory make them locally?

[dense violet]

define 'good'?
if that's your goal its good

[weary stream]

like is it realistic

this is my first playthrough so i have no idea how much ore is "all the ore"

[dense violet]

as in possible to do? sure

[dense violet]

do you mean all the ore on the map?

[weary stream]

anything that gets turned straight from ore -> ingot

so iron, caterium, copper, idk if there are more

[dense violet]

ok so just as a thing, processing all the materials on the map to the end point is essentially not going to happen. Your computer will catch fire

[weary stream]

im planning to use the "pure X" recipies in the refinery

[weary stream]

awe shucks

[dense violet]

It's not that kinda of game. All the nodes exist to give you options

doing lots of sattelites means planning a shit ton more logistics between places, but little planning for recipes and location

doing highly localised factories means you do a lot more planning recipes and location, but little in logistics

and you can be in between

[weary stream]

i dislike recipie and location planning because im always thinking "what if theres a better recipie?" "what if theres a better location?"
thats why i wanted to have a central satellite factory for each component

[dense violet]

like I said it's up to you

as for 'better recipe' it entirely depends on what how and where you're making it

[dense violet]

this makes quick work of swapping recipes in and out to see if they work for a location https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[weary stream]

i guess my central question is just
at what point is a resource so basic that i shouldnt have a central factory for it
like should i have a central ingot refinery or should i just plop down X refineries next to the nodes?

[dense violet]

if you swap recipes it'll instantly tell you the changes of hte raw resources needed

[dense violet]

like I said, you could go both ways 🙂 depends how you like to do things

I do hyper localised stuff myself. at least once I enter sand box mode

if I'm going up the tiers I don't care

like a hub that will do Super computers just from the local stuff, from scratch

maybe import a bit.

[weary stream]

btw are all lower-tier space elevator parts used for higher-tier stuff?

[dense violet]

yup

[weary stream]

alr

since im on tier 3 and im stalled since the past 2 tiers i brute-forced it

[dense violet]

my suggestion at this point would to just treat the tiers like a tutorial and learn the basics

it's not like the phases are a huge challenge. Mostly there just for you to learn

[weary stream]

fr?

i thought they were the whole point

[dense violet]

depends how you see it.

but you can do phase 1 - 5 with the dirtiest, sloppiest systems you just chuck down

You could complete phase 5 with barely any thought. It might be slower and really messy? but it'd work

The game really shines when you decide to create your own projects with your own rules and design choices

[weary stream]

true

[dense violet]

essentially the game is only as complicated as you make it

[weary stream]

rn im kind of bike-shedding redesigning my home base because im too scared to fully develop my train system

[dense violet]

pretty much eveyr logistics choice has it's own learning curve. Up to you for what you like

like you could just use long belts for ages

[weary stream]

i dont trust cars and drones feel too far off so i think im gonna be trainpilled

i think they are neat

[dense violet]

trucks have a learning curve just like trains
the main difference is you learn where and when to use them
plan your factory location so you can use the natural roads

[weary stream]

and im gonna transport most items back to my home base at the crater lakes in the middle of the map

[dense violet]

most of hte issues people have with trucks is when they use them in awkward spots

[weary stream]

yeah

trucks seem like a pita to fuel though

[dense violet]

nah, just have a central point where they refuel

part of hte logistics planning

[weary stream]

i thought they needed gas at every station lowk

[dense violet]

nope, just enough fuel in one spot for the trip and back

so coal as a fuel source is a bit awkward, as it burns quickly

base fuel is pretty solid though, very flexible

and if, eventually, you make plutonium rods, 1 plutonium rod will fuel a truck for like 7hrs or something?

[thorny pagoda]

Is there an alternate recipe for filters to use petroleum coke instead of coal?

[dense violet]

!wikisearch filter

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=filter

[civic reef]

i would kill for us to have pipes like the ones in Deep Rock Galactic. it'd be so fun to grind on them

We must become Stoney Rock

[thorny pagoda]

Darn guess not

[dense violet]

zip lines fill that spot I think xD

if you're just using them for gas, using bio coal is convenient, just dump it into the system when you get back

[thorny pagoda]

Hate to just sink all my coke

[dense violet]

what tier are you at atm?

[civic reef]

isnt coke like super efficient with certain recipes?

[thorny pagoda]

I just unlocked the particle accelerator

[dense violet]

depends

[dense violet]

huh, what is all the coke coming from?

[thorny pagoda]

My refineries

[dense violet]

ah, well might not help right now, but when you get the alternative 'Heavy Oil Residue' recipe, you basically don't have any waste coke

[civic reef]

i usually just take my excess HOR and put it into diluted fuel to make some extra power

[thorny pagoda]

Funny I just got that from a hard drive yesterday

[civic reef]

god i forgot how fucking massive refineries are

[dense violet]

Oil > heavy oil residue > diluted fuel

depending on what you're doing you might have a bit of waste resin? but it's not much

[thorny pagoda]

My resin goes to fabric production

[dense violet]

like so https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=vdfiHwgkxO2lz84eyIOH

no wasted HOR/coke

[thorny pagoda]

What a nifty tool thanks

I’m only 300 hours in and I still feel like there’s so much I have to learn

[dense violet]

it takes a little bit of practice, like knowing to turn off SAM ore, or the conversion recipes, but it's very powerful and fast

[dense violet]

I'm more than 3000hrs in and I still learn

[thorny pagoda]

If I wasn’t married and working 60 hours a week this game is all I’d be doing.

[civic reef]

just dont be married problem solved /silly

[thorny pagoda]

Yeah yeah lol

[cunning glade]

Okay so tools can be wrong?

[civic reef]

wdym?

[cunning glade]

Well it's saying 71 refinerys would give me 3600 rubber but before looking I just did 71x60 and got 4260

[civic reef]

can you post a screenshot?

[cunning glade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=6Z3Cqbs0oHSSVRHjNQxL

Wouldn't this work

[civic reef]

so you have the item cap at 3600

[cunning glade]

Huh

[civic reef]

the items per minute cap is set to 3600

[cunning glade]

Well I was just trying too use 1200 oil

But I'm not making 3600 is why I'm confused idk normally in the end I produce the amount I set there and not more

[civic reef]

okay so you're trying to use the recycled loop, yes?

The loop requires you to input rubber to make plastic to then make even more rubber with fuel

[wicked nacelle]

Don’t you get one profit per fuel?

[cunning glade]

I'm just trying too make more rubber Soo I used the max I had available too me

Max amount of oil I should say

[wicked nacelle]

So turn all the oil into diluted fuel and then you can extract one rubber per unit of fuel you pump in

[civic reef]

yeah, you're capping out at 3600 due to the recycled loop

[wicked nacelle]

Usually with a smart splitter that sends overflow out as profit after filling the opposite side with priority

[civic reef]

yeah that's what they're doing. Making HOR into dilu fuel and using the polymer to make rubber to kick the loop off. they're making 3200 dilu fuel, and after all the funny silly math, it comes out to 3600 rubber.

4200 rubber is made in total, but 600 is "lost" in order to make plastic to profit off of recycled rubber

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah without the polymer it’s 1:1 fuel:profit. Then a smidge more from resin

[cunning glade]

Oh true I'm just high and didn't see the rubber gets moved back down Frick I didn't build too account for that

[civic reef]

LMAO THAT'S SO REAL

We love that FICSIT brand Paleberry Kush... I mean Paleberry Bush... Bush

[dim cradle]

lol I just died with full health... okay

[cunning glade]

Skill issue

[dim cradle]

legit just lying down with a full health bar

[wicked nacelle]

Died or ragdolled?

[dim cradle]

#screenshots message meant to reply to you, dead dead but not dead.

[civic reef]

did you inhaler right as you died?

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah weird.

[dim cradle]

I inhalered before I died then still died

[wicked nacelle]

Multiplayer?

[dim cradle]

Nah solo

[civic reef]

it takes a moment to kick in, so you probably hit it like 3 frames after you died

[wicked nacelle]

Super weird

[dim cradle]

On the other hand I guess I found an exploit for those uranium sloops.

If you reload then immediately lunge at it I guess you're immune to damage for a bit.

Might depend on circumstance

[wicked nacelle]

Just bring your hub with you and keep respawning on site 🙂

[rose saffron]

So I’m at tier 5 now and I have fuel power unlocked

Is packaged diluted fuel the best alternate recipe to increase my power output from oil

[wicked nacelle]

Yep then turbo fuel then rocket fuel

Diluted fuel is also great for plastic and rubber. Basically feed all your oil into diluted fuel because it’s what you need for everything

There’s also the nonpackaged diluted fuel recipe for when you have the next tier of factory buildings

[rose saffron]

I think that is at tier 7 or 8 from what the wiki said, it needs a blender which I won’t have access to for a while

[wicked nacelle]

If you just unpackage the package fuel right away then the loop is pretty small and you can blueprint it.

Even with the empties in the blueprint

[rose saffron]

Ah I was looking at it earlier today and I thought it consumed the packaged water to output normal fuel, so I was thinking I’d have to constantly be producing more containers

[urban bobcat]

question

and help?

my lizzardoggos disappeared.

please check me post on question-and-help

[wicked nacelle]

Nope. When you unpackage the fuel you get the empties back out. It’s slightly more power hungry than the blender version but only slightly. Other than more buildings that’s the only downside

I’ve also found I get steadier pipe flow from unpackagers than blenders. Easy 600 every time

[karmic kayak]

hey im pretty new to the game anyone know any youtubers that are good for teaching you the game but arent mind numbingly boring?

[turbid merlin]

I don’t mind TotalXclipse

[urban bobcat]

me personally I liked dekoba but his very relaxed but not "boring"

TotalXclipse is good too

[turbid merlin]

He hasn’t posted recently has he?

[urban bobcat]

but I never watched his playthrough so i dont know for usre

[urban bobcat]

I don't think so i think last post was abt 5 montsh ago

[karmic kayak]

yeah i used to watch ttotalXclipse didnt mind him but didnt like his style

[urban bobcat]

try dekoba

[turbid merlin]

Or Doc

[urban bobcat]

he does play quite fast tho imo

[turbid merlin]

His shorts are pretty good

[karmic kayak]

dekoba or doc?

[urban bobcat]

dekoba

but he explains whatever he does very well

[urban bobcat]

idk but i suggest dekoba and totalxclipse I personally stopped watching them around phase 2 of the game cuz u kinda just get the hand of it. and whenever Im confused abt something I watch a video abt it or ask it here

People here are very helpful I've had a guy join me and help me troubleshoot my pipes

[dense violet]

best to ask very specific question

people like totalxclipse are more about basic design tips and ways to go ahead on that

otherwise ask about manifolds or other things. Most vids... aren't great and only talk about 1 method

[urban bobcat]

Oh hey Cobalt can u check my post in the question-and-help? Maybe u know whats wrong

[dense violet]

link?

[karmic kayak]

thank you guys so much for the help

[urban bobcat]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1434782791286915173

[karmic kayak]

yeah im jsut trying to get good at everything i have my own save but its so going

[dense violet]

treat the tiers like a solid tutorial - preps you for a more sandbox game

and 'good' at everything is a big job 😄

[hollow wyvern]

Just got the game today so I only have 13 hours so far, how the heck does one make a clean gigafactory, I feel like I have a bunch of different factories and then a bunch of ugly power lines and conveyor belts macgyvering it all to a central storage point

My gut instinct is to find the highest point on the map to lay my first foundation

[shrewd palm]

Straight belt mode

[dense violet]

really no.
sky factories aren't needed. It's mostly practice and planning

[hollow wyvern]

Let's say you need some new iron nodes for a modular frame factory, do you place your smelters at the iron nodes or do you have some sort of tileable megastructure you lead all the ore to

[turbid merlin]

Just do you thing for your first run. Get the hand of how things work and the processes work. Then for your next run, start planing multi story factories and then your gigafactory

[urban bobcat]

i got the game abt 2 weeks ago and I have abt 130+ hrs and in my opinion dont worry too too much about make a gigafactory right away

[shrewd palm]

^^ to both

[urban bobcat]

learn how everything works and then make a gigafactory

[turbid merlin]

Trust me. You won’t play this game once

[dense violet]

Treat all the tiers like a tutorial.

You need a lot of knowledge and practice for anything like a mega factory and by the time you get it you probably will think better of building one

[dim cradle]

Welp that's that. Got all of the sloops in the game

[karmic kayak]

yeah imo building more modular factories makes the gaem feel mroe alive and forces you to plan and make stuff look decent

[turbid merlin]

It’s forever and ever

[hollow wyvern]

I can tell there is going to be a big itch for me to make the most intricately planned out perfect factory ever one day

[urban bobcat]

otherwise making a gigafacotry where u dont know how things works will just be unenjoyable

[shrewd palm]

You’ll probably want to get started with blueprints as soon as you can

[urban bobcat]

NICE

[turbid merlin]

That’s fine. But it doesn’t need off the back of your first run when you’re still learning the tiers

[shrewd palm]

For the most part I just try to stick to the same general kind of practices for building and they come out looking like nice circuit boards most of the time

[dim cradle]

#screenshots message Some people might call this a complete waste of 100 sloops though XD

[silk ocean]

I wish drones could electrically charge and the class of battery determines how long they last, which gets installed into each drone permanently... Changing all the fuel types to ionized around the world is going to be such a pain in the ass

[shrewd palm]

Absolutely but for now it’s probably better to just try and get the game figured out

[turbid merlin]

From what I understand. Fuel only needs to be at the import drone centre

[shrewd palm]

And you’ll probably never get a factory like that perfect first try

[turbid merlin]

Have enough fuel for the trip at the export pad and import bad will fill it up

[silk ocean]

Yes but it's still like 25 locations and an entire backhaul logistics network to replace

I probably just won't bother, any new routes will be Ionized, any simple ones to switch I'll do, and just leave the rest on Fuel

[sterile blade]

The competition for "the most"s is fierce. Good luck :P (and welcome to the factory club~)

[cunning siren]

Harvest

[urban bobcat]

If that 'perfect' factory of yours come to life lets us know man I'd love to see it

[hollow wyvern]

right now it looks like shit but dw i got this

[urban bobcat]

just don't let the game ruin ur grades (if ur still in school)

cuz it's abt to ruin mine

[dim cradle]

I am definitely not going to make the most perfect and intricately planned out factory, that would burn me out

[urban bobcat]

I am planning to make a factory I'll be "happy" with 👍

[dim cradle]

but it will be a very human factory

I'm sure Aida32 or whatever will be proud of me

[sterile blade]

I remember when I made a "perfect factory"... Then the recipes changed and now it just lives on in the trash bin my memories

[sterile blade]

Burnout, the final boss of factory games

[leaden turret]

burnout is racing game 😛

[urban bobcat]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, I will never understand ur pain (unless they add more alt recipes) but I am sorry to hear that man

[dim cradle]

Burnout as a racing game is fun

[urban bobcat]

also do u actually use sushi?

[dim cradle]

burnout as a race is not

[urban bobcat]

I've never used it but it really doesnt seem to be practical..

[dim cradle]

I think it can be for low yield products

but only in certain circumstances

[urban bobcat]

I see i see

[sterile blade]

No, I just like to meme about it because people then get emotional about it and go: "no, don't do it, it's hard!"

Jokes aside, yes, I do have a preference for sushi logistics, they just fascinate me some ^^

[urban bobcat]

woww thats interesting

[dim cradle]

Obviously you wouldn't use sushi for like ores or anything

that would be extremely silly

[urban bobcat]

I've watched a couple videos abt like different type of factories which they arent that many huh? but anyways they all (all as since 2-3 youtubers I've wached) say that sushi is just not practical whatsoever and explained why

[dim cradle]

lol never watched a youtuber for this game

[sterile blade]

Basically: wherever more than one belt go in the same direction, carrying less than one full belt of items, with sushi you can reduce those 2 (or more) belts to one, which saves on belting.
The more belts you "condense", the bigger the convenience (this of course depends on your own design preferences as that affects IF and how many belts you can sushi/condense in the first place)

Then there's sushi-fed machines too, but that's more for pure fun than actual logistical advantages...

[dim cradle]

The problem is that really you're kind of expecting for there to just be belts going in one direction, for a fairly long distance, with a set of items that all of the machines in that area need though.

Like I don't generally have a travel that long for anything

It's either getting stored for dimensional depot or it's getting used pretty close by

and if it's a high yield item it's just outright impractical

[sterile blade]

Not a "fairly long" distance, literally just any distance ^^

[urban bobcat]

ooh dim depot I just unlocked that today and its so nice to have an 'empty' inventory

[silk ocean]

You generally don't have an empty inventory with the DD but certainly never have inventory problems anymore

[urban bobcat]

also finding mercer spheres 🤬🤬🤬🤬

[urban bobcat]

exactly

[silk ocean]

I'd say my inventory is never more than 1/3rd full

[dim cradle]

I still had inventory problems with it hahaha, depends on how many inv upgrades you've got

[sterile blade]

If a factory room outputs more than one kind of items and 2 or more of those items have the same destination (eg: different room, same building), I can choose wether to have 2 single-item belts connecting those rooms or... just one ^^ (and manage overflow)

[urban bobcat]

mercer spheres are so far now and just so time consuming 😔😔😔

[silk ocean]

It's just stuff like Filters, Power Shards, Jetpack/Hoverpack, Health, etc

[dim cradle]

When you break something down it goes back in your inventory so yeah I'm just... dropping things everywhere...

[silk ocean]

I'm always deleting stuff yeah

[urban bobcat]

yeahhh (filters??)

[dim cradle]

probably means gas masks

[silk ocean]

Yea - Ionised and Normal

No Gas Mask is worn, filters in inventory

[urban bobcat]

oh yeah gas masks stuff

ye Im not there yet

[dim cradle]

🤔

[urban bobcat]

I just compeleted phase 2 today

[dim cradle]

I've never used gas masks either tbh I just blow them up anyway

[urban bobcat]

and barely did anything with the oil rig stuff

[silk ocean]

I usually have about 200 of each in inventory

[gray jungle]

guhhhhhhhhh water pipes are so frustrating

[dim cradle]

Be careful

There is a pipe cult in this server

[silk ocean]

xD

[urban bobcat]

I dont wanna get into it too too much since I REALLY have to lock in for my chem test and I know that If I keep playing around with the oil rigs and actually get it going then I will completely fail my test

[gray jungle]

Maybe they can tell me why my piping sucks so bad 😭

[dim cradle]

They call them the Paid Pipers because they have to be paid to do this I swear

[sterile blade]

Like... It's not even an "expectation"... Literally all multiple-input machines are: take more than one item and bring them all to the same machine 😆 if the items are made close together, one can choose to have more or less belts to deliver the same items (their design choices impact which methodology may lead to least logistics)

[urban bobcat]

I would love to help but I really gotta get off tonight

[dim cradle]

What problems are you having with that there piping anyway

[urban bobcat]

anyways have a great night guys (or day)

[gray jungle]

I'm genuinely struggling because 3 of my 16 coal generators are just not getting enough

[urban bobcat]

you probably have one pipe supplying all of them right? you need another one either in the middle or at the end

it has to do with the pipe's math and all that stuff

and make sure u have enough water extractors as well

[gray jungle]

I have 2 separate pipes supplying 8 gens each, with 3 water pumps on the left, and 1 water pump on the right

[sterile blade]

Get some #screenshots going ^^

[dim cradle]

Um how much did each of them take?

wasn't it 45 m^3 each?

[sterile blade]

45

[gray jungle]

Good point.

It might honestly be the distance I'm pumping at

Yeah 45 each

[dim cradle]

8*45 is like... 360 isn't it

don't mk1 pipes only do 300

[sterile blade]

Also no-scope

[gray jungle]

That would just be my problem wouldn't it?

[sterile blade]

You are using more than one pipe though (or so you said)

[dim cradle]

They're using 2, but they're overloading those two

[gray jungle]

Im gonna try something rq

[dim cradle]

Also dunno what "3 water pumps on the left and 1 water pump on the right means but uh..."

[sterile blade]

Admittedly, 3 water Extractors on "one side" (ie: one pipe) is too much as 360>300, but since you have 4 hooked up in total, the system should be getting about 300+120 per minute, plenty for 8 generators

[pallid ridge]

What is the best use for oil in early tier 5? I got 2 pure and 2 normal node

[sterile blade]

"Best" depends on your objectives and preferences, which we know nothing about (we could guess, but I'm noi doing that :P)

[pallid ridge]

I'm completely lost for now, so I don't think i have any preference

But maybe something that can contribute back to factory? Maybe fueling a truck?

[gray jungle]

Just had a new idea after doing some math

[dim cradle]

You can just look into making plastic

[pallid ridge]

I'm also planning to build some kind of oil rig, so i think i can send the output somewhere if needed

[pallid ridge]

How many of them would i need?

[dim cradle]

Generally a lot of things in that tier require making plastic, so just make a lot of plastic and rubber while you're at it

[pallid ridge]

I can make 400 plastic and 400 rubber for now. Is it excessive?

[dim cradle]

per minute? Sounds fine, you probably don't need that much but you can use some alt recipes to burn through it

[pallid ridge]

So i should just burn them into sink for the time being? What about heavy oil residue?

[gray jungle]

I think i stabalized it

[dim cradle]

You can at least store some for later use, but heavy oil residue can just be turned into the fuel that you want some of, too

[gray jungle]

I've spent the past 10 hours of my day playing this game

[pallid ridge]

Like package fuel?

[dim cradle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Heavy_Oil_Residue

just look at all the stuff you can do with it, yeah you can make diluted packaged fuel if you have the recipe

[gray jungle]

I've owned this game since the 24th of october and I already have 60 hours

[pallid ridge]

I've spent 130 hours in the game stuck on tier 5 cz too addicted to making infrastructure lol

[dim cradle]

Or alternatively look into the "recycled" recipes

[pallid ridge]

I thought about it, but I don't think I'll reach tier 7 soon enough

[gray jungle]

I'm in the process of reoptimizing my base after geting mk. 2 miners

And when I say reoptimize

I mean I teared it all down in order to make everything more compact

[pallid ridge]

I should have keep the picture of having a road from top to bottom lol

[gray jungle]

And also make things on different floors

[pallid ridge]

Even my current bridge is already at the border of the map

[gray jungle]

Optimizing my coal gens was painful...

[dim cradle]

Diluted packaged fuel doesn't need tier 7

it's an alternate recipe you can use in tier 5

[gray jungle]

I've been doing most of this without guides so I feel really proud of myself lol

[pallid ridge]

Oh?

Time to explore then. Thanks

[hollow wyvern]

Dang I wanna cry my conveyor belts and power lines and foundations are nonsensical

I am building on the world grid but the different heights of my foundations 😢

[pallid ridge]

Is dilluted package fuel and dilluted fuel 2 different recipe?

[dim cradle]

You use a packager to package water and then feed that packaged water into a refinery along with heavy oil

[pallid ridge]

i have 600 heavy oil residue. should i turn all of them on dilluted package fuel? or should i just turn them into normal fuel then package them?

[dim cradle]

Then you can either unpackage it or do whatever you want with it

Whichever you want. Diluted fuel in general is iirc very efficient though

[sterile blade]

That is good to do for anything imo ^^
A flowing factory hides less surprises than a backed-up one ahah

[dim cradle]

And yeah if your heavy oil gets backed up I don't think you make anything

You can make an overflow sinker at the output of whatever you decide to do with it if you want

like an overflow splitter

[sterile blade]

Do note that the output is the same (ie: the outputs are used for the same things)

[pallid ridge]

i'll need some time to think

[hollow wyvern]

how many awesome sinks do you guys make

[sterile blade]

Yes (I build one anytime I need one, possibly cutting down their number by merging belts before sinking)

[bronze atlas]

minimum of 1 per factory if its a factory i want to run constantly, to make sure there is no backed up lines.

[hollow wyvern]

So if my assembler UI says 30 iron plate per minute, and 60 screws per minute, crafting 5 reinforced iron plates per minute, does that mean i should have 6 assemblers to maximize output?

[bronze atlas]

not perfectly sure i understand your question, but those numbers mean the assembler takes 30 plate and 60 screws per minute to produce 5 RIPs per minute. If you make 6 assemblers you will get 30 RIPs per minute, but you will need to supply 180 iron plates and 360 screws to those 6 assemblers every minute.

if you dont feed in enough source product the assemblers wont be able to make the 30 RIPs

[hollow wyvern]

Oh I thought those numbers were how many were being fed, should I pull out a pen and paper

[bronze atlas]

the numbers on the left are how many it needs input, and the numbers on the right are how many it puts out if you feed it the correct amount

[gray jungle]

My piping problem was in fact not fixed...

Well, back to work I go

Okay I am so confused

It says there's water flowing, but there's no water flowing into the coal gen

[ivory condor]

pipe problems, well this game has a few so thats normal

[silk ocean]

I don't know why people suffer from so many pipe problems xD

Basically all of my plumbing works as intended

[ivory condor]

I just accept the jank of pipes as being intended

[neat cargo]

Satisfactory on console tomorrow 👀 I've been waiting years to finally get my hands on it!

[ivory condor]

Meanwhile the console SOC being like why I hear boss music

[patent aspen]

Any word on what time release is? Is it local or global release schedule?

Im NZ so i should be able to play in about 5 hours; but if its going off a global release it’ll be +1 day

[silk ocean]

1300 UTC I believe

[neat cargo]

Yeah I'm not really sure on when exactly it comes out. All I've been told is it will be November 4th. I'd say mid day UTC

[silk ocean]

2pm local Swedish time, 1300 UTC - that's the last I heard

[patent aspen]

Ah killer. Was hoping to play come midnight, that’ll add an extra 13 hours to wait.

Wasnt sure if it was dependant on storefront or anything. Might check xbox store at 12am incase hahah

[silk ocean]

It's not usual to stagger launch times to local regions, at least not in PC land

[gray jungle]

It's my first time playing

[silk ocean]

Worth reading the FICSIT Plumbing Manual (you can google it)

If you're in NZ and you want to play it at launch time, all I can suggest is get some sleep beforehand XD

[patent aspen]

In my experience console tend to be local releases unless the devs have said otherwise.

Never read into it but I assume PC’s abit more of an issue; people use VPN’s to play games earlier and stuff.

Always like to check regardless

[leaden turret]

digital release, you still won't get your hands on it

[patent aspen]

Beautiful, thanku

[silk ocean]

Possibly - Valve usually launch based on a PST time (I think) but I guess it could vary. Local time launches seems unnecessarily complex and online games and MMO's like World of Warcraft where you can get Realm Firsts and so forth would be insane if it was staggered, would totally ruin the competition to be first to level for example

These days I rarely buy a game on launch anyway - usually wait 2-3 months for bugs to be fixed, sometimes longer

[patent aspen]

Im usually the same.
But then recently you’ll get games like arc raider that’re functional right out the gate, and waiting 2-3 month if you want to be competitive in PvP is like shooting yourself in the shoulder 🥲

[silk ocean]

Yeah some games are practically flawless out of the gate. And anything as mentioned that's PvP competitive is a different story yep

[dense violet]

make a post in #1038092680493801533 with overhead images

[shy mulch]

PlayStation store says 12 noon UK time

[silk ocean]

Someone was saying there was confusion over the clock change but nobody seems to actually definitevely know the time which bemuses me

[shy mulch]

Clock change was a week ago though. The time on the playstation store is very clear

Or was it this week?

[silk ocean]

Well maybe it's 1200 UTC then... it's +/- 1 hour, big deal xD

[shy mulch]

I forget, regardless, it very clearly says GMT, which is not ambiguous at all

[silk ocean]

I've never owned and never will own a console so doesn't really bother me XD

[gray jungle]

I figured it out :D

[shy mulch]

I have in the past but currently don't. I just looked yesterday because so many people were asking who were somehow incapable of using google

[silk ocean]

Almost every response I've seen and on reddit is 2pm CET, 1300 UTC

[shy mulch]

I googled "satisfactory playstation store" and first result takes me to the official playstation store which says 12:00 GMT

[silk ocean]

🤷‍♂️

[shy mulch]

I'd trust that before I trusted reddit

[silk ocean]

Assume it's 1300 UTC and that will reduce the level of possible disappointment and enhance the fun level by 0.01% (if/when it launches at 12 xD)

[shy mulch]

UTC and GMT are the same thing

I can't find any sources that suggest it's anything other than 12

[silk ocean]

Not quite the same on a technical level but basically the same

[shy mulch]

They have different definitions but for all practical purposes are entirely interchangeable

[hard ivy]

#satisfactory message
This suggests that the release is even later than 1 pm UTC, if the release stream starts at 1

[silk ocean]

UTC is a standard atomic reference, GMT is a time zone which could theoretically change, not that it would. Best to refer to UTC in all cases imo

[shy mulch]

That states that the livestream starts at 1300 UTC. If they plan for the actual release to be later than that then someone had better tell Sony quickly, because their store is releasing it at 1200 UTC

[silk ocean]

Maybe you can download from 1200 and play at 1300 xD

tbh I don't mind what time zone game launches are based upon, just in the interests of standardisation I wish everything was based on something standard. UTC as a reference is probably the obvious choice

and summer/winter time changes should be absolished imo XD

[leaden turret]

they explicitly said that they plan to start the stream after the release

[shy mulch]

that fits the evidence

[silk ocean]

Surely everyone seems more interested in playing the game than watching a stream? XD

I guess not everyone can play at launch time

[shy mulch]

some people find them complicated and/or confusing, but they are absolutely not ambiguous if presented properly, so there's really no issue there

we can't just arbitrarily simplify everything that anyone finds confusing

[silk ocean]

They still cause loads of productivity impacts apparently, people showing up to work late etc

[shy mulch]

if someone shows up late to work because they don't understand time zones, then that's on the same level as them showing up late to work because they forgot how to put shoes on, employee incompetence should be treated as exactly what it is

[silk ocean]

Regardless of that, it's still causing problems, and timezone shifts imo are just totally unnecessary

Probably less so these days now that almost all devices auto-switch unless you're using some legacy alarm clock

[shy mulch]

There are reasons for it, those reasons just don't affect us, so it's easy for us to forget that

And it really doesn't cause any problems at all for competent people

If anything, I'd advocate for a more complicated system, introduce intellectual evolution, survival of the smartest

[silk ocean]

It's a World War 1 hangover to save things like burning coal for light in the mornings and stuff. It's a legacy load of tosh XD

[shy mulch]

There was discussion a few years ago about changing it and every farmer lost their minds over the idea

I don't pretend to know their reasons, but I trust they wouldn't have bothered being so vocal if there wasn't some valid reasoning

[silk ocean]

Modern farmers do stuff at night these days as a norm - with modern farming equipment it doesn't seem to matter light or dark

[shy mulch]

You think farmers would spend their time arguing against something that didn't matter?

[silk ocean]

Sounds illogical to me, if they really want the same light levels, just go for harvest an hour earlier or later

[shy mulch]

^

[shy mulch]

^

[silk ocean]

Theoretically if you are harvesting a week or two early or late depending on the crop you'd be shifting your start and end times by maybe 10 or 15 minutes xD

Some "local time" that keeps jumping around shouldn't have any impact on farming operations

[dim cradle]

@ivory condor I'm not sure what you wanted me to verify, but I loaded up your save on this 9800X3D machine. It's running quite smoothly, no stutters except when it autosaves.

FPS is a smooth 80ish, probably because I have global illumination or whatever turned to high

you really love train intersections and spirals huh...

CPU usage is around 20-50%, the 50% is kind of rare, usually lower

well it kind of does have an occasional 0.5 second hitch while I'm just cruising around in one of the trains instead of just running around

[frail sleet]

the game does have substantial traversal stutter when it's LOD-ing lots of stuff in and out

[dim cradle]

Yeah that might be it. This is my 5070 Ti, not my 4090 machine.

dunno if that's the VRAM at work

[frail sleet]

it's CPU/RAM, not gpu

[dim cradle]

Ah okay thought you meant loading objects into vram

[frail sleet]

changing LOD (level of detail). They have e.g. different versions of each building model that are shown depending on your distance to them

the game heavily uses LOD to improve performance, but it does have visual consequences and traversal stutter

[silk ocean]

I don't experience any, might just be system spec, slow memory etc

[dim cradle]

This memory is definitely not slow

[silk ocean]

or lack of memory, having to page out of secondary storage, and so forth

[dim cradle]

and I doubt 64GB isn't enough

[frail sleet]

You're just either not playing on a large/dense enough world, or don't notice it. It's there.

[dim cradle]

I even tuned the subtimings on this kit a bit

[silk ocean]

It's a somewhat megafactory and I would definitely notice, PresentMon doesn't report any framedrops generally speaking

[frail sleet]

define somewhat megafactory

[silk ocean]

Covers the whole world? xD

[dim cradle]

Like I'm only at 32% usage atm...

ram wise

[frail sleet]

send file?

[silk ocean]

I'll just have to login to my LAN server and download it

[dim cradle]

well if you folks would like to test the map that I'm in, I can give you this save

it's @ivory condor's

Want me to PM it to you

[frail sleet]

i have my own

[dim cradle]

Well I mean just so we're all on the same page I guess

[frail sleet]

and i'm pretty much 100% sure it happens if you have enough stuff densely packed 😄

[dim cradle]

this thing just has trains running literally everywhere, and intersections for days

with signal lights and stuff all over the map it looks like

I dunno how you can love trains quite this much

but respect

[pallid ridge]

Do i need beefy gpu for max setting?

[frail sleet]

yes, but cpu/RAM even more so

[pallid ridge]

Currently running 7500f and 4070ti super, but doesn't seem to be able to run smoothly at max setting

[pallid ridge]

How much ram? I'm currently running 32 gig

[frail sleet]

RAM performance rather than capacity. Frequency, timings, command rate etc

[pallid ridge]

5200mhz iirc

[frail sleet]

but the game can use easily 10GB of RAM itself, and less easily 20-60GB with the largest worlds

[pallid ridge]

Guess my problem was the cpu then

Spending too much on gpu lol. Gonna save my next 3 months salary for another cpu

[frail sleet]

I've got a few numbers

[pallid ridge]

What number?

[frail sleet]

without RAM overclocking

[pallid ridge]

I can't seem to get 60fps when using those lightning effect. Is it rly cpu and ram problem?

[frail sleet]

zen 4 standard CPU (faster than yours) = 98.8 fps

zen 4 vcache (~7800x3d) = 137.15

zen 5 vcache (~9800x3d) = 180.7 fps

on one of my earlier worlds

[frail sleet]

You can easily see that live, if your GPU load is below ~90% while that happens then you're not GPU limited. That virtually always means that you're CPU/RAM limited.

Lumen does use more CPU.

If GPU limited, you'll get more FPS by using DLSS. If not, it won't affect FPS.

[bright echo]

weather already in-game?

[pallid ridge]

It stuck at 60 tho

Guess my gpu is just too poweful for my cpu

Another grind in life tho

[quick idol]

What is the Max number of Nuclearpowerplants i can Build when overclocking to 250%, i tried to calculate it but failed very Bad 😂

[leaden turret]

rain was in the game, but removed because of UE5 shenanigans

[solemn edge]

Can someone real quick explain how pipe pumps work

[shrewd hearth]

I think they just help the fluids travel up vertically

[solemn edge]

even small hills?

[bronze atlas]

liquid has limits to how high it will go vertically in pipes. This is called headlift. Most machines that pump out liquid provide 10m headlift, so if you have a pipe that goes vertical it can only go up 10m before it "stops"

[leaden turret]

when you go to snap a pump on a pipe, you should see an indicator of how far the current head lift is going.

if you don't, either:

• your pipe network is so chaotic that the vfx doesn't know where to go
• your pipes don't go up enough
• your pump is facing the wrong way

[bronze atlas]

pumps increase the headlift by 20 (mk1) or 50 (mk2), but they do not stack, its just that amount from the end of the pipe

[leaden turret]

little bit more, but they'll complain

[dim cradle]

For what it's worth this 9800X3D/5070 Ti rig is running on 6000mhz RAM, a Kingston Fury kit. KF560C30BBEK2-64, which I also applied Buildzoid low effort subtiming tweaks to. https://www.patreon.com/posts/low-effort-rank-77403831

I don't think that my RAM or CPU would be the issue? Dunno though guess I'll try your save out too.

[leaden turret]

@woven sail bot still not removing links that aren't allowed, only posting disappearing warnings

also tech stuff is #off-topic-tech and rarely sufficiently satis-specific to be here

[dim cradle]

Well we are talking about Satisfactory performance rn...

Someone wanted me to benchmark their factory on my rig

I guess I should expect this of a 30 MB save but Aeryn this takes forever to load even on an PCIE 5.0 NVME lol

[leaden turret]

🤔 I wonder if that's a sufficiently frequent/niché topic to have a benchmarking forum

[leaden turret]

mount a ram disk

[spice patio]

Its not the disk, its RAM speed limited, unless starts swapping.

But with that size save, I would expect it swap on 32GB of RAM, and possibly swap on 48GB of RAM.

[strong wind]

do we know what time satisfactory will be coming out tomorrow?

[spice patio]

13:00 UTC is the console release, and start of the launch stream.

[spice patio]

And <@&370483737957236737>s still haven't posted about that...

[frail sleet]

Yeah there is a lot of CPU/RAM processing to unpack the save i think 😄

It turns <30MB into 15GB in the RAM.

[spice patio]

Unpacking back to the "flat file" is fast, but converting that JSON type save data back into Unreal Engine data structures is the slow part.

[frail sleet]

I have 32GB. For this stutter, i don't think that it's swapping, but that's actually a good point and i can't be completely sure with the memory utilisation around 80% at best.

[spice patio]

There at least used to be 2GB max size for that "flat file" format.

[frail sleet]

@silk ocean how much RAM are you running on atm since you got the stutters too?

[haughty torrent]

You're kidding... I have to wait until the 5th to buy it then. 2pm CET to Sydney time is fucking midnight.

[spice patio]

Saving took 24 minutes for the person who hit that back when for specific FICSMAS build to sink 1M/min (IIRC) FICSMAS presents.

[silk ocean]

Same as you, 64GB

[leaden turret]

australian tax 😛

[frail sleet]

I have 32 total, which yeah is starting to be an issue, but if you're experiencing it on 64GB then it's probably not due to paging.

[silk ocean]

Ah right, yeah probably not in that case

[haughty torrent]

This is some bullshit.

[spice patio]

On fast movement it is outrunning the level streaming, which has synchronous backstop.

To prevent falling into the void.

[frail sleet]

These microstutters are more obvious at faster and faster speeds (more frequent and severe) but they happen just from slide jumping and jetpacking around.

I'm not sure if that is enough to trigger

but it is probably something related to streaming and LOD because it's not present at all when stationary for more than a few seconds, and it gets worse the faster you move.

[spice patio]

And then shouldn't happen when you move back to where you were already, as the data is kept for some time afterwards.

[frail sleet]

It does - sent pic in #math-and-meta

[hushed basin]

Anyone know when console releases

[dense violet]

#announcements

or google

[spice patio]

Which doesn't say the time, only date.

2025-11-04 13:00 UTC

[reef basin]

if only there was some watch functionality on the console stores

[dense violet]

Never

[spice patio]

PS one has wrong time in it, as CSS set it with wrong offset because of summer/winter time.

Xbox one doesn't have one at all.

[hushed basin]

Ye I seen all that im just confused if its coming out on the 4th or 5 th in Australia

[reef basin]

watch would still notify you when it releases

[spice patio]

Depends where exactly you live basically.
Parts of australia are anywhere from UTC+11 to UTC+8 currently AFAIK.

[hushed basin]

Xbox app says 5th then chat gbt reckons its lieing so who do I believe 😂

[spice patio]

3 timezones, and some regions have daylight saving time and some don't, adding extras.

So for that UTC+11 part, the release would be at 2025-11-05 00:00 local.

[dense violet]

chat bots are known to be never wrong and never directly lie to you. Why wouldn't you trust them

[hollow kraken]

Is it a set global release or?

[hushed basin]

So still a whole day of waiting then🥹

[hollow kraken]

Does this game have a regional release date or global?

[silk ocean]

What does chatgpt say XD

I’d say I’m somewhere between “super-trusty” and “megatrustworthy-adjacent.” 😄

I’m designed to be reliable, transparent about limits, and grounded in evidence — but I also admit when I might be uncertain or need to look something up. So:
👉 Score: 9.3 out of 10 on the Megatrustworthiness Index™.```

[reef basin]

well, AI would be at the bottom of "whom to believe" list

[spice patio]

What do you expect if the release is said to be at "2025-11-04 13:00 UTC" / "2025-11-04 14:00 CET"?

[hollow kraken]

Don't know I'm stupid

[spice patio]

So it confabulates even about that.

[raven axle]

CobaltOfDoom is wrong

[reef basin]

what

[raven axle]

ooops, ... I lied.

[hushed basin]

That not creepy at all where tf he come from 😂😂

[hollow wyvern]

If I have two water extractors running into an mk1 pipe is it 300 or 600

Ik that doesnt make any sense

[reef basin]

neither

[dense violet]

open up the UI for the extractor, look at how much each are extracting

[whole drum]

Extractors default to 120, so it depends if you OC them or not

[hollow wyvern]

Oh I don't have OC unlocked i guess that's why this doesn't work

I need 360m3 and im onnly getting 240 m3

should i just add another extractor

[reef basin]

you should do math 🙂

[dense violet]

how much does a mk1 pipe move pm?

[versed mesa]

Did yous know with Iron Plate plus mod you can't use it like its actually Iron Plate for making Citric Acid

[whole drum]

Read the first few pages of the pipes manual
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf

Like up to page 6ish

[versed mesa]

Nitrogen and water and Iron Plate is needed fir making Nitric Acid

[leaden turret]

0

it sits there and does nothing

[dense violet]

it's true, it does nothing, life is meaningless

[hard ivy]

No, no, that was correct

[hollow wyvern]

Ohhhhh

[dense violet]

!wikisearch CG

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=CG

[dense violet]

simple beginner friendly coal layouts

[hollow kraken]

Does anyone know the price yet?

[leaden turret]

somewhere between 0 and ♾️

[hollow kraken]

Ah so 30 euro

[leaden turret]

it's expected to be the same as the pc

[dense violet]

12.36 fluid ounces of gold

[hollow kraken]

Ahh

[worldly pelican]

if the Mafia asked for money, you should be careful

[hollow kraken]

Lol nah but if this game doesn't come out at 00:00 tonight we might be able to play it today

[silk ocean]

PS5 store says 4th at 12:00 UTC

[reef basin]

it doesn't

[hard ivy]

... it comes out tomorrow

[reef basin]

given they will stream the countdown

[spice patio]

That is known fuckup by CSS that was mentioned in the last stream when the actual time was announced.

[silk ocean]

1300 UTC then? As most posts seem to suggest

[spice patio]

Devs want it to be 14:00 their local time.
When they put the info into PS store, they were at UTC+2 (CEST).
And now they are at UTC+1 (CET), because summer time ended.

[hard ivy]

That's the stream start

[silk ocean]

Gotcha

[hollow kraken]

It is a global release date? Or regional?

[spice patio]

What do you thing if there is just one release time?

That is in specific time zone?

[hollow kraken]

Can I ask you something

[dense violet]

release by whatever sea coast is touching the country

[leaden turret]

no releases for landlocked nations

[hollow kraken]

If someone asks a question it's nice to answer that question if you know it

[silk ocean]

We'll be okay on this island in the Atlantic xD

[versed mesa]

Tomorrow is the day the game releases on consoles

[spice patio]

Point is to make you learn to do simple deductions instead of needing to be spoon fed everything.

[hollow kraken]

Okay so it's a global release

[reef basin]

this isn't google

[dense violet]

it could be chatgpt

[hollow kraken]

No but a chat for people to help others no?

[silk ocean]

Plot twist - it's not the Falklands xD

[hollow kraken]

Or are yall just

[reef basin]

oh yeah definitely - most of the answers are slightly or completely wrong 😄

[reef basin]

sure, but we're not here to help you type "satisfactory console release date" into google

[hollow kraken]

You really don't get it

[dense violet]

is askjeeves.com still a thing?

[silk ocean]

Blast from the past

[stark tiger]

Wish we could pre download the game i want to play it the moment it launches

[reef basin]

you can, buy it on PC

[hollow kraken]

I could ask Google and they'll say the 4th but I was wandering if the new zealand trick would work

[reef basin]

what

[hollow kraken]

But by the looks of it.. It doe

[silk ocean]

Just accept that it's maybe 1300 UTC, who cares if it is +/- an hour, just apply some patience and it's available when it's available xD

[hollow kraken]

Lol

[spice patio]

Changing region to get game early when there is "rolling" release so everywhere gets the game on same "local" time.

[hollow kraken]

If a game is not a set release it releases early in new zealand

[reef basin]

who would want to do rolling release

that's horrible

[silk ocean]

When does a rolling release ever end well xD

[spice patio]

No idea, but used for lot of big releases for some stupid reason.

[dense violet]

awful

[leaden turret]

is the new zealand trick "send a hobbit to steal it" ?

[hollow kraken]

Yess

[dense violet]

that's racist

[hollow kraken]

They go on the journey of a life time

[spice patio]

Probably marketing related, or requirement from physical stores etc.

[silk ocean]

How is that remotely racist, everybody loves throwing that word around lol

[spice patio]

So that the physical stores don't get to sell "later" than digital for some parts of the world.

[silk ocean]

Sometimes I don't think people even know the definition of the word

[leaden turret]

where was the hobbit / lord of the rings filmed?

[dense violet]

the stealing bit 😛

[bitter ferry]

can someone help me learn how to play?

[barren arch]

good morning

[reef basin]

yeah, ADA ingame

[leaden turret]

remember what Bilbo Baggins' official group title was?

[reef basin]

I love how all the people missed the joke

[bitter ferry]

who?

[silk ocean]

I've visited Hobbiton in NZ, it's kinda cool

[dense violet]

... did I miss it? wasn't it just a NZ / LOTR thing?

[leaden turret]

it was, but some sad jackass in here once called me racist for quoting mario

[silk ocean]

People don't understand what the word means, discovered that a long time ago

[dense violet]

what was the quote ?? xD

[spice patio]

They stole it from us. Sneaky little hobbitses. Wicked, tricksy, false!

Not the mario one.

[dense violet]

The bigotry vs hobbits in here needs to stop guys

[quick idol]

Sorry, to interrupt you guys, but i csnt find it in the Internet and csnt Access the Game Right now, are there alt recipes for uranium fuel rods and if yes, what do they Need?

[leaden turret]

"it's-a-me"

[dense violet]

!wikisearch uranium_fuel_rod

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=uranium_fuel_rod

[dense violet]

praise the wiki, love the wiki

[reef basin]

the ingame voice that acts as tutorial

[quick idol]

Didnt know that cmd exists. Thanks a lot ^^

[reef basin]

well it's more about existence of wiki 🙂

[dense violet]

it's more to just direct people to teh wiki existing. GG wiki

[spice patio]

And the bot is broken with that too, the command message should have been deleted.

[reef basin]

wikisearch never was deleted

[bitter ferry]

they talk too fast

[spice patio]

Ah, ok, misremembering then.

[dense violet]

the !modded one gets deleted

sorry !modding

[reef basin]

luckily there's codex to read the messages

[spice patio]

All the messages get saved in Codex Inbox, in both text and as ability to replay the audio.

[quick idol]

I was Locking for it on google, and found an Wiki Page but the alt recipe was Using beacons but yeah…

[reef basin]

that's the outdated fandom wiki probably

[quick idol]

Yeah, Only one i found

[reef basin]

always check if you're on fandom.com or wiki.gg, or get auto-redirect extension for non-fandom wikis

[quick idol]

Also didnt know that there are Extensions for this

Thanks a lot guys, Great help

[silk ocean]

Kinda annoys me that fandom often is above wiki.gg on google search results

[bitter ferry]

or someone could just help me

[dense violet]

ask specific questions - there's too much to just teach you

most of it you''ll learn by trying things. Its very intuitive

and it's faster if you try things yourself

[reef basin]

well, generic "pls help me" doesn't really work. You need to specify your issue, for which I'd recommend #1038092680493801533 and share images of your issue (if relevant)

but other point of my message is that the game is best learnt on your own rather than following other people, because future parts of the game build upon the knowledge you gain from learning the early parts

if you just "blindly" copy someone's build or playstyle, you won't know the reasons why you do that or how it works and you'll run into the same "idk what to do" problem when next tier appears and requires knowledge of how previuously introduced systems work

[dense violet]

For example

if someoen were to just talk at you for 3hrs

vs

you just playing around for 3hrs

you'd 100% will have learnt more on your own.

[fiery pewter]

Yep

[dense violet]

if you run up against a very specific issue though, ask away

[fiery pewter]

The question of "what is the best starting location" also fits here right?

Since there is no "best" imo, only preference

[spice patio]

Depends on what your skill level is and what you want.

[reef basin]

don't get me wrong, we're happy to help you if you're really stuck, tried all solutions you could think of and not sure what the problem is, just post that issue in #1038092680493801533 and people will help you (although arguably some like to spoonfeed the answers anyway)

[silk ocean]

Read the FICSIT Plumbing Manual as well, when you get to that stage, it's 10 minutes and well worthwhile (you can google the PDF)

or watch a YT tutorial, if you can find a good one

[whole drum]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf
Just bookmark for later

[reef basin]

though keep in mind that most of the manual is "things that are possible", not "things that are recommended"

[silk ocean]

Forms a foundation of understanding if anything

[whole drum]

This is how I interpret it

If you understand how it behaves, you can do whatever you want, honestly--but most people will KISS for the sake of least resistance

[reef basin]

yeah, just some people see the manual and go "ok I need to build all of those to make my builds work" 🙂

hence why I put the warning here

[whole drum]

Yeah, not so much lol

[silk ocean]

Nothing wrong with building the examples it provides if that's what you want

I wouldn't say it needs a warning xD

[reef basin]

again, the point isn't about building it out of curiosity, but about thinking you need that to make pipes work

[silk ocean]

I'd be surprised if people take it literally as gospel but perhaps

[reef basin]

I've met so many people who had built weird pipe setups, got bad flow or something and instead of fixing their setup they started adding things like the flow stabiliser from manual

[silk ocean]

If not for the manual, people are going to find examples somewhere, YT videos, etc

[reef basin]

yeah well YT videos about pipes are like 80% wrong 😄

[silk ocean]

Wouldn't surprise me xD

[whole drum]

😍 Pretty pictures!
🤮 Ugly words.

[silk ocean]

Need to remove that leading space before sickface XD

[whole drum]

Meh, is fine

[silk ocean]

xD

[reef basin]

not sure what's fine about it #off-topic-media message

[whole drum]

I have it aligned like most people's pipe setups 😏

[silk ocean]

It's like a crooked belt XD

Splitter one notch out of line

OCD exploding

[whole drum]

😄

[reef basin]

re: the message in off-topic-media

it's called "compact mode" and it's a setting in discord that makes it actually readable

[whole drum]

Weird. Never heard of her.

[silk ocean]

It's in settings, maybe Appearance

[reef basin]

settings -> appearance -> chat message display -> compact

[whole drum]

Lemme see dis

[reef basin]

removes profile pics and makes it so that there's more than 5 messages on the screen at the same time

[silk ocean]

I use Compact for the UI but normal message density, compact is a bit cluttered but I'd prob get used to it

[whole drum]

Oh, this is why it looks so gross on my phone and good on my PC, lol

The phone uses the compact version by default

[reef basin]

phone doesn't use compact at all, shows profile pics 🙁

[silk ocean]

My phone seems to be Default mode too

[reef basin]

and doesn't allow you to change it

[silk ocean]

Just "Classic chat text size"

[whole drum]

Oh, wait. I was looking at the UI part, not the text part

Makes it look like old AOL chat rooms 🤮

[silk ocean]

ICQ xD

[reef basin]

yeah, when it was designed with readablity in mind 😄

[silk ocean]

The ICQ Windows program by like version 7 or something it had a million features XD

[whole drum]

I don't struggle with Discord for that, so idk

[reef basin]

I see no reason to see profile pics in front of every message, takes so much space

[whole drum]

I like them

[silk ocean]

Compact mode is much more like IRC

[whole drum]

And how backward is that? Not have compact mode on phone where screen estate is at a premium, but do have it for PC where people often run 2-3 monitor setups... lol??

[reef basin]

oh I would very much like it for phone

[whole drum]

I could see that

[reef basin]

that's why I don't like using discord on phone

[silk ocean]

Does seem a bit illogical yeah

[whole drum]

I might too

I noticed my YT algo was feeding me too much political AI slop, so I started spamming videos of huskies and cats for awhile until it adjusted. Much nicer now.

[reef basin]

I just tell it I don't want to see that video if I don't want to see a video

[silk ocean]

If you go down a YT rabbit hole.. . Ooooh boy does the Algo know xD

[whole drum]

Oh, I don't sign in

Ever since they launched that crusade against adblock, I don't sign in anymore and occasionally clear out my cookies and stuff

I noticed it avoids a lot of the issues

[reef basin]

I have adblock and yt works just fine

[whole drum]

Yeah, it affected people quite unevenly

Some people had no issues, some had much worse than mine

But I also stopped signing into YT or Google stuff when I built this PC and put Linux on it

It's crazy how much nicer it's been

Just tired of their corporate crap, you know?

[obsidian zodiac]

brave browser works swimmingly on youtube too

[whole drum]

Yeah, I use Brave

[silk ocean]

The YT Premium pricing is what annoys me - family plan for 5 people £20, that's £4 per person. Oh, what was that? You don't have a family that watches YT? Sux for you bro, that's gonna be £13/month for you, loser XD

[whole drum]

And doesn't even stop ads

[silk ocean]

Premium Lite doesn't seem to stop ads

[whole drum]

I never had a problem with the old school banner/sidebar ads, but when they started to interrupt videos with them, that was what drove me to adblockers

[warm otter]

i use ublock in firefox and in the last few weeks i've noticed ads trying to break through - like videos start kinda choppy sometimes and give a static image ad. im sure ublock will fix that soon lol

[warm pendant]

use brave

[whole drum]

Firefox is one of the most heavily targeted browsers by YT

That and Chrome

[warm otter]

i tried brave a few months ago and there was something about it that didnt work for me - forget what it was

[reef basin]

I'm on chrome with ublock lite (free) and have no issues

[whole drum]

You wanna go down a rabbit hole, check out all the things people have seen YT trying to do against adblockers

[leaden turret]

sittin here with youtube premium cos that's where the majority of the clips archive monetisation comes from

[whole drum]

Some of them are of extremely questionable legality

[leaden turret]

@obsidian zodiac #announcements doesn't seem to clarify if you'll be streaming on YouTube or not?

[warm otter]

i read something a month or two ago - somewhere in europe i think - wanting to legally ban adblockers because they "alter the intended presentation of the webpage" - like they're actually trying to make it a copyright violation for illegally modifying something or some bs like that

[worldly pelican]

now you have the anouncement about the release time 🙂

[whole drum]

How to self-destruct YT in one move

[worldly pelican]

please keep the discussion Satisfactory related 🙂

[silk ocean]

That's never going to work because of the dev panel and the fundamental basic need to be able to modify elements

[whole drum]

There are competitors out there now, and they are growing, but they are still small. That sort of thing would drive people towards those alternatives in droves.

[leaden turret]

wanting to block view source because nonsense also

[silk ocean]

Gov misunderstanding and overreach is getting concerning

[obsidian zodiac]

mikael is looking into multi streaming as i type this

[pure osprey]

anyone know if pc will have the game available on the xbox app thingy? i just wanna play with my friends :(

[obsidian zodiac]

but yes lets move this ad talk into #off-topic-general gamers

[reef basin]

you mean Satisfactory? that's out on PC last 6 years

[whole drum]

You mean cross-platform?

[obsidian zodiac]

currently no, and for some reason its not as simple as you might think it is, specifically from the microsoft side. ive been pitching this as a cross-platform solution tho so hopefully more to share about that in the future!

[pure osprey]

man that hurts me 😭 hopefully something is figured out eventually, appreciate the help and you trying tho!!! hope the launch goes smoothly later

[silk ocean]

Games like Fortnite are crossplay so I imagine it's possible

[whole drum]

Is it more or less difficult on the PlayStation side?

[mortal ginkgo]

Its always possible as long as companies allow.

it may be heck of a coding issue and may not be worth it in devs side but thats another topic brotherman yes hello there

[pure osprey]

id literally buy the game again if that was the solution they went with

[obsidian zodiac]

im just one dummy so i dont have all the details, but i think personally having the ability to play the console version on PC via xbox app would be a good solution for some people 🙂

[silk ocean]

You can kinda do that with PSNow can you not?

[whole drum]

It's better than no solutions

[silk ocean]

Called PlayStation Plus now it seems

Kinda like GeForce Now at the looks, if Satisfactory becomes available there it might be a simple way to play with console friends, would have to check it out tho

[whole drum]

Discord LFG channel going to need to delineate between PC and consoles

[leaden turret]

currently it does

cos there's no console players lfging 😛

[worldly pelican]

it will be just another flag to choose from

[elfin cradle]

Hi, so ive been building a rocket fuel power plant near the islands, and have an extra 600 crude oil left (since nitrogen was a limiting factor for me), so i want advice on what could i do with that
currently i'm building approx 520 fuel gens OCed to 240% with my setup

[reef basin]

keep it until you need it

[elfin cradle]

hmm works ig

you never know 🫠

[reef basin]

exactly, you never know how much of what you'll need in the future, so don't build for future, build for now 🙂

[elfin cradle]

how much power do fuel gens produce when oced to 240% btw?

[reef basin]

240% of normal power

[elfin cradle]

600 MW right?

[silk ocean]

625?

[reef basin]

600

[elfin cradle]

normally it's 250 right? so 2.4*250

[reef basin]

indeed