satisfactory

[shy mulch]

They are used as ingredients in other space elevator parts

[white dawn]

Yeah, lots of SAM specifically, and a lot of machines to support it. You use about 66% of the Ficsonium power output just making the Ficsonium Rods in the first place

[zenith fractal]

later, yes.

[white dawn]

IMO it's a fun production line, though

[leaden turret]

apocalyptech: "it's a fun production line"
my brain: "clown car building that spits out clowns onto belts"

[warm pendant]

i have like 10 indust storage full of versatile xD

[white dawn]

In case you missed it earlier, btw, the other "clean nuclear" option is to make Plutonium Rods but sink them instead of burning them

[peak wasp]

can use turbofuel for fuel power plant? if yes change the output of energy ?

[white dawn]

Personally I find that unsatisfying (I'd rather just store the waste, even if I'm not processing to Ficsonium) but plenty of folks will advocate for that

[white dawn]

Yes and no. The difference with fuels on generators is how long the fuel lasts

So turbofuel burns more slowly, but the gen still provides 260MW as usual

[wintry carbon]

how to use a valve for water ?

[stoic steeple]

AWESOME sink

[wintry carbon]

do i put it before or after a fluid buffer ?

[ornate saffron]

burn rates are longer so you use less per minute the better quality the fuel.

from lowest to best its

fuel-turbo-rocket-Ionized

[stoic steeple]

You gotta get that golden nut xD

[peak wasp]

oky understand then reduce the intput/minute needed

[white dawn]

Many of us highly recommend not using valves (or buffers) at all, btw

[warm pendant]

valve controls the water input and output you set

but dont bother with buffer and valve until you are at trains transporting liquids

that's what i learned xD

[reef basin]

just don't use it, that's the best use of it 😄

[ornate saffron]

youll need more for other phases i dm'd you a chart

[white dawn]

Assuming you have the fuel unlocked, btw, build a gen and open its control panel. There's a little icon attached to the fuel buffet. If you click it, it'll tell you the consumption rate for any fuel it supports

(that's true for all generators)

Or there's always the wiki, of course

[warm pendant]

thanks ill just keep the 10 storage of frames for now ill stop producing them for now

[dim cradle]

You should just keep producing everything that you produce. Don't subtract, keep adding imo.

[warm pendant]

choo choo motha****** that shocked me lmao

im at ph 3 and all of my factories are only still at my spawn

haven't tried using other nodes on map until i unlock better transportation

and now im at trains gotta build some rails and POI

[dim cradle]

with trains you can just get anything on the map to your base if you feel like it, or alternatively set up production there for some things

[modern heath]

anyone know where I can get the instructions for the LEGO train?
I can't find it anywhere

[warm pendant]

yeah im doing that later its going to be a massive project

[plucky flower]

I hate people who act like they know better as math or physics

[warm pendant]

but not doing a masterbuilder factories i cant build other than using squares

[dim cradle]

I wouldn't schedule any daunting massive projects tbh. One bit at a time.

Unless that's just your thing

[plucky flower]

This guy was telling me the diamter of the satisfactory planet is 65km (real life measurement)

[leaden turret]

it'll be somewhere on reddit

[warm pendant]

yeah maybe that can burn out me real quick

[rustic pier]

I know tha fluid buffers dont work well with gas.. but it seems that since i am not producing items that take a ton of the gas i am always backed up on other machines that product it as a byproduct >.>

If i have a buffer it provides some leway

[dim cradle]

I dunno if this counts as spoilers so I'm gonna spoiler it. It's a very minor one that I'll keep vague but... ||there are definitely spots on the map where a LOT of resources in Pure quality are clustered||

||You could just find a center point to all of those and use trains||

[ornate saffron]

I got many projects on the go. i fip between them to keep my ADHD happy lol

[dim cradle]

I've basically got radars all over the entire map from my sloop hunting hahaha

[modern heath]

I've only been able to find the link to the lego ideas page for it, but no instructions I could download and buy parts from 🙁

[dim cradle]

Altho other people just load in their save file into that tool ig XD

[warm pendant]

i just found those pure nodes not searching for the location just pure exploration

[dim cradle]

Yeah same

I found every sloop in the game, and that just kind of came with it

[warm pendant]

yeah cant be bothered searching for coords

[dim cradle]

I guess it's kind of not gonna be fun on that front anymore, I know where everything is.

[warm pendant]

that makes the game really boring

[dim cradle]

If I ever get around to searching for every single Mercer for some reason, some of them are still inside large caves I guess hahaha

[warm pendant]

the caves is hella hard for me to get

since if i cant find entrance ill go for another

but its fun since i encounter all radioactive monster now

[leaden turret]

I believe they confirmed that the radioactive hogs don't create self-cooking pork chops

[ornate saffron]

<------radiation cooks this porkchop

[visual harness]

Is using dissolved silica a good option overall, or is it not worth the sulfr?

[plucky flower]

It is

[ornate saffron]

i dont think its worh the sulfur

but thats me

[plucky flower]

As a phase 4 player It gives good boosts in what you recieve from what you have to put in

Mathematically more beneficial. But every player plays different

[visual harness]

👍

[ornate saffron]

also depends how muc h you need and what resources you have access to

[visual harness]

oh wait, i mistyped, it's nitric acid, not sulfuric acid lol

[warm pendant]

damn my hard drives are good rolls but i need shi tons of screws

[visual harness]

Stell screws will be your salvation

[dim cradle]

lol yeah I started using steel screws

and I don't have any issues with them now

[reef basin]

or steel rods

[warm pendant]

ikr my HMF rn requires 110 per craft

[ornate saffron]

Cast screws are good to... just to cut down your footprint

[dim cradle]

If you really hate screws you can even shove a sloop in a steel screw constructor and it'll make 520 screws/min with the default recipe with no overclocking. All in a single constructor hahaha

Or just oc it to 2x

[charred sandal]

#screenshots message Dont suppose anyone can answer why these signals wont work?

Theyre all spaced the same distance apart, including the rails and stations

[visual harness]

alternatively use reciped that doesn't use them
first time I made heavy frames, the screws were killing me, even with the steel recipe, but the second time around I just did the encased frames instead

[reef basin]

if you need help, use #1038092680493801533

don't use #screenshots , we can't write there and it's mostly for just showing off

[ornate saffron]

thats a bag of worms there....

I find the Sginal needs to be before the track split. Pass signal everytime it splits and block every exit

[charred sandal]

these are blocks on a merger

[ornate saffron]

Greeny is right you should #1038092680493801533 channel that

[dim cradle]

Since my Xbox controller's right joystick is going out I decided to get one of these 8bitdo hall effect joystick controllers. At first it didn't seem to work, didn't realize you had to turn on the Steam Input setting for generic controllers. Works just fine now.

[ornate saffron]

its a great controller i love mine

[dim cradle]

Initially I was going to just take the joysticks out of this and put them in my xbox controller but opening up my xbox controller I found that it's soldered in, so that's a later project I guess. Also screw Xbox for using different size screws for so many things I had to basically take every single bit I could find out of my small screwdriver kit.

[ornate saffron]

the xbox controller is Horid for self repair.

[dim cradle]

What are you even doing in that butt

[ornate saffron]

lol its a train staion

[ornate saffron]

diffrent perspective in #screenshots

[leaden turret]

you wanna rephrase that to be less... odd?

[dim cradle]

I was able to take the entire thing apart. The only annoying bit is the way it has 2 wires running across the front getting to the triggers. But that doesn't get in the way of a repair tbh there's enough length

[ornate saffron]

i noticed from the angle it looked like a butt lol

[dim cradle]

It's just that I don't solder.

Somehow went through entirety of CompE at an engineering college without soldering always just took things to the lab and some dude did it XD

[ornate saffron]

it requires a solder blower and a heat spreading medium. it more then basic soldering

[dim cradle]

What was odd about it tbh?

[leaden turret]

little bit tween's first time on the internet

[dim cradle]

Using the HIV term would be a sign that you're old if anything. Idk how many teens would even get that XD

These days they're running around going "unc" "cooked" "rizz" etc

We're old

[leaden turret]

you're forgetting some people don't grow up

[dim cradle]

Yeah I'm basically 10 after I've stayed up for over 30 hours

Which happens pretty frequently these days

This is pretty interesting with these hall effect joysticks I can kind of just set the deadzones to 0 in this game and it's so snappy

[dim cradle]

Which 8bitdo did you get, I got the 2C Wireless

[ornate saffron]

Ultimate with charging stand

[dim cradle]

only 30 bucks so I hope it lasts

[charred sandal]

If yall were gonna do an entire floor dedicated to logistics, how tall would you make it

[ornate saffron]

8m

min

[shy mulch]

soldering is fun, I just get annoyed at how americans pronounce it

[dim cradle]

You mean like you're gonna have lifts coming up out of it to where the items need to go?

[dim cradle]

fire burn primitive brain not happy holding hot thing that burn

[charred sandal]

Yes. And into it from the trains below

[ornate saffron]

<---- canadian. either or is fine

[charred sandal]

Factory
^ v
Logistics floor
^
Trains

[dim cradle]

hmmm... frankly I see a floor dedicated to nothing but logistics as "this is going to be a nightmare to manage"

[shy mulch]

as long as you know that is has the letter L in it, we're good

[ornate saffron]

dsthats what i do floor above and below for logistics

[charred sandal]

solder? I barely know'er

[dim cradle]

Because then your transportation is abstracted away from your machines, so you have to go under and then figure out where this thing is coming from. So if you're gonna do it dedicated a LOT of space to it

So you can actually separate things

[ornate saffron]

Sold not sod??!!?? Unreal !!! lol jk ^_^

[dim cradle]

Interesting I tried setting the movement deadzone to 0 as well but it caused me to slow down in the hypertube

So I'm guessing the left sensor is a tiny bit faulty

seems to build up rear direction input that's imperceptible to the game engine as far as actual movement

[charred sandal]

Plan is to have manifolds going across one plane on one end with raw materials from trains,
and another manifold across the same plane on the opposite end with intermediate products from the first half of the factory above,

Then those will split off on the perpindicular plane going to the machines as needed.

[dim cradle]

manifold plane huh

You could try it just I dunno then your blueprints are gonna be kind weird I guess? 🤔

you'd need to make different length manifolds for different machine types with a lift attached in the blueprint machine

[charred sandal]

Yeah idk I only use BPs for things that process raw materials tbh

Like smelters/refineries

[dim cradle]

I use blueprints for like everything now

Need to expand the blueprint machine though, idk if I can even fit a single constructor manifold in there

SO many inputs

[bitter sparrow]

Two more days until the PS5 release. Anyone else picking up a copy?

[reef basin]

no, PC master race 😛

[dim cradle]

PC master race

[flint grail]

Isn't there a recipe that allows you to use just iron to make empty canisters?

[reef basin]

no, either iron + copper, or steel

[ivory condor]

you don't play the game anyways😛

[reef basin]

since SFTools practically count as playing the game, I'd disagree

[barren arch]

i dont have enough recurses to a mk2 convenyor belt but i have lots of recourses to mk3 convenyor belt

[dim cradle]

You could also count a spreadsheet as playing the game tbh

[ornate saffron]

... i do count spreadsheeting as playing .

[dim cradle]

I've never done that lol

I just yolo build all my factories as I get to it

[random berry]

what is the optimal number of freight cars per train?

[dim cradle]

Depends on your belt capacity and mining speed I'd think

[white dawn]

Depends on the rail. If you want an arbitrary number of dubious use, though, could try 4

[dim cradle]

It's going to change as the game goes on

Also your train's round transit time

[white dawn]

Better to just set up a route and see how it goes, then modify to suit if there's problems

[reef basin]

as many as number of belts you want to transport (is my usual rule of thumb, there's nothing really "optimal" unless you define what optimal means)

[ivory condor]

I remember back in the game before I knew about the sftools or maybe they didn't exist I would preplan all of my production lines myself manually, running all of the calculations in excel, just to realize I got some numbers wrong and had to redo my entire factory

[dim cradle]

I'd say optimal for trains is "you're able to transport 100% of the rate of your miner/extractor"

[ivory condor]

It sure is fun getting your production numbers wrong and having to redo everything

[ornate saffron]

far.

[reef basin]

usually you want more than that so that any unintended delays (e.g. train stuck on signal for a while) doesn't hurt your production

[dim cradle]

Yeah so tl;dr ALL OF THEM MAKE ALL OF THE FREIGHT COMPARTMENTS THAT YOU CAN FIT

[white dawn]

I think the question OP meant to ask was about engine-to-freight ratios, not necessarily absolute number of cars. Though 8 could be wrong about that. :)

[zenith fractal]

long train makee me happy :3

[dim cradle]

This is a crazy idea but... I was considering just making a gigantic... and I mean gigantic... train that just goes around collecting all of the nodes I care about and bringing them all back at once

but the train size would have to grow as the transit time does

So the train would get bigger the more things I collect with it, exponentially

[reef basin]

well that sounds horrible 😄

[dim cradle]

Nah I'm sure it's a great idea

what could go wrong

[ivory condor]

It is, somebody built a 1000+ freight car and the game becomes severely cpu bottlenecked😄

The game has gotten a bit better with handling massive size trains, but really you just shouldnt build trains that have hundreds of freight cars

[dim cradle]

Clearly they needed to plan around their CPU, not the game

[ivory condor]

I tested with a 13900 and was still majorly cpu limited😅

[dim cradle]

Well 13900k wouldn't be the best for that anyway

[last vector]

Anyone know what time satisfactory releases on console on Tuesday?

[dim cradle]

9800X3D would probably be the top dog

or 9950X3D

[ivory condor]

hmm idk how well this game utilizes extra cpu cache, thats a interesting thought

[dim cradle]

I know Factorio loves it

[ivory condor]

because that varies per game

[dim cradle]

I'd just assume this is similar

[ivory condor]

hmmm would make sense given how cpu is mostly the limiting factor with this game

[dim cradle]

Well if you think about it, it's just performing the same operation repetitively. I'd think they would function quite similarly. But I wonder if googling digs up anything

[ivory condor]

Anyone with X3D pcs in the chat

[dim cradle]

I have a 9800x3d lol

and some tuned ram

[ivory condor]

hmmm

[dim cradle]

current cpu usage from this thing is about 20-23%ish I think but this factory isn't big at all

[ivory condor]

well we would need to try to bench the same save file to try to see what performance differences exist

[dim cradle]

If you gimme one I can try opening it, just hope opening it doesn't give me a bunch of random achievements

[ivory condor]

the only real way to get any idea here is to bench the 13900k vs the 9800x3d on the same save file, but idk would the fps difference exist and by how much, also things like 1% lows, etc

[dim cradle]

unless this game is heavily, heavily multithreaded, we can assume it'll at least be better

the X3D line from the current gen just generally trounces anything intel in almost any game outside of some very few exceptions

altho what I'm kind of curious about is how well Intel Arc plays this

Any Intel Arc players in the chat?

Intel's been doing good stuff in the budget space so it'd be nice if a 580 ran this super smooth

[ivory condor]

well problem with the arch gpu's is they have optimization issues with the drivers, so to get the most out of them you need a high end cpu, which for a budget gpu isnt ideal, making other gpu's in that price range better choices for budget builds

[dim cradle]

Yeah I've read that, it's unfortunate

[ivory condor]

unless intel addressed the driver overhead issue by now, idk if that true though

but that gpu last i heard wasnt great for budget builds, because it can actually perform worse for similar built systems from amd/nvidia that don't have the overhead issue with the drivers, but hopefully intel can improve that

[dim cradle]

maybe they already did, haven't checked in a while

Yeah this 8bitdo controller is really good for this game for 30$, it plays it quite well

[ivory condor]

oh heres something let me watch this gamers nexus did a follow up video on this 2 days ago, haven't watched it yet

[dim cradle]

If it's Gamers Nexus it's probably 30+ mins long, I'll wait

[ivory condor]

It is, 33mins😇

[dim cradle]

called it

[primal obsidian]

bruh i need 50 modular frames and i make 2/min

[hard ivy]

time to make more

[dim cradle]

or just wait 25 mins heh

[white dawn]

Time for a tiny bit of exploring, yeah. 25 minutes is not a long time. :)

Will probably barely net one or two hard drives in 25 minutes

[cunning siren]

Gamers Nexus does named chapters for all their videos, that makes it easy

[primal obsidian]

i think im gonna search for power slugs so i can make it go faszxter

[cunning siren]

Skip to what you want

[white dawn]

If you're hand-feeding material, you could just make two machines instead

[primal obsidian]

nope its all automatice

[white dawn]

(If you're not hand-feeding, remember that overclocking makes the machine also consume more material, so overclocking won't do anything unless you also, say, double your whole production line)

(And if you have spare input material already, then you can just build that second machine. :)

[dim cradle]

You could also just shove a sloop in there and just halve it

[ivory condor]

hmm interested in benching a save to try to compare the X3D differences?

[dim cradle]

if you're at that point

[white dawn]

Though Slooping on Phase 1 can be annoying given the power situation. :)

[dim cradle]

I can, sure but keep in mind we have completely different systems

I'd probably have to do a PC restart before trying

I keep mine on 24/7 so stuff just builds up in memory

[ivory condor]

well amd and intel are different platforms, so I think its fine

[primal obsidian]

i have no idea what this means

[dim cradle]

Yeah dw about it hahaha

How do I even turn on a flashlight in gamepad mode

I tried every single button

[ivory condor]

sloops are items that can give double machine output

at the cost of like 4x power or something like that

[white dawn]

Yeah, ignore for now if it doesn't make sense; not worth the extra mental load. Though if you want: ||There's things you can find called "somersloops" (or "sloops" for short). Once you research them, you can place them in machines to double their output without changing their input requirements, at the cost of 4x power.||

[primal obsidian]

i have one of those but theres no slot for that on my machine i dont think

[ivory condor]

have to research in MAM first

[dim cradle]

I did rush the research, but I think the first research you should rush out of the alien tree is dimensional storage

We didn't use to have that last time I played but it'll change your life

[charred sandal]

Will holding snap mode actually connect a building to an elevator?

cant easily test it atm....im building the new factory before I divert resources

[dim cradle]

btw if you want to give me that save I can test it just let me know

[ivory condor]

once you realize how op dimensional storage is definitely

[dim cradle]

Well it just legit wasn't even a thing 3 years ago hahaha.

[ivory condor]

thats the single strongest tech you can basically get in 1.0

[dim cradle]

If you found SAM it was like in one or two spots and completely useless

[ivory condor]

I know, we often theorized over the years what sam, sloops and spheres would be used for

[dim cradle]

Okay is the Xeno basher the strongest melee weapon

I'm kind of actually enjoying meleeing the crap out of spiders

but I don't think I have enough health bars for a large one

Like they're just too big, the attacks are really hard to dodge at close range

oh well guess I'll make a homing ammo factory when I can

[white dawn]

Homing Ammo + Jetpack is definitely Easy Mode for combat. Just keep holding down fire until everything's gone. :P

[primal obsidian]

i still need the weird purple ore to unlcok that im pretty sure

[white dawn]

(Folks with more skills than myself presumably prefer regular rifle ammo, but I'm typically happy enough with homing)

[charred sandal]

Am I missing something, or can I completely bypass steel beams and screws with alternates?

[reef basin]

you can, but at heavily increased cost of other resources

whether or not is that worth depends on your own preferences

[charred sandal]

Stitched plate, steel rotor, steeled frame, heavy encased

it didnt seem that much more expensive at a glance, ill look closer

[reef basin]

well it's a lot of iron

but the question is - why do you want to bypass them?

[charred sandal]

stitched plate straight up seems cheaper....10 copper ingots instead of 15 iron ingots.

Idk. Just simpler? Less manifolds. Same reason Im bypassing iron mostly. I made a 2400/m steel factory

Trying to streamline it I guess, for flavour

[reef basin]

that depends on your valuation of iron vs copper

[charred sandal]

I am aware.

I enjoy developing resources, so my main concern is belts

[wary osprey]

Just 2 more days for Xbox to play

[reef basin]

🤢

[wary osprey]

Why is that sickening

[reef basin]

pc master race

[wary osprey]

P

O not p

[charred sandal]

Playing Satisfactory on xbox sounds dreadful.

but if you enjoy it, more power to ya

[white dawn]

Eh, I'm personally happy that more people are gonna have the chance to become addicted to the game. And for folks who've wanted to play the game on their couches to potentially have a more convenient way to do so

[shy mulch]

I'm probably gonna try avoid this discord for a couple weeks. All the new players joining on xbox gonna be asking an absolute ton of ridiculous questions

[ivory condor]

As long as we get Satisfactory 2.0 I'm all from it

[reef basin]

well, as with any recipe, it depends on your preferences which one is better suited to your case. Obviously it's fine to ask about it here but ultimately keep in mind that any choice you're happy with is the right choice 🙂

[ivory condor]

Or Satisfactory : Space Age

[reef basin]

~~are you even able to use discord on consoles? ~~

[white dawn]

Shapez 3: Satisfactory (Space Age DLC)

[charred sandal]

Yeah, the original question was if I was missing anything that I absolutely need screws/beams for production wise

[reef basin]

well screws are needed for a few milestones and awesome shop
beams are needed for tons of things

as for ingredients in other items, beams are needed in versatile frameworks and (if you count that) nobelisk detonators
screws can be replaced in all items

[charred sandal]

You dont need versatile framework past ph3 right

or do u

[shy mulch]

you do

[white dawn]

All earlier Space Elevator parts are used in the construction of later Space Elevator parts (well, except for the last ones)

[reef basin]

you do need them until p5

[white dawn]

You might not need Versatile Frameworks themselves but you'll need the things that you make with Versatile Frameworks

[shy mulch]

the wiki tells you exactly how many you need at each phase

[charred sandal]

ah shit, missed that

[white dawn]

And anyway, SE parts are good for coupons. :)

[charred sandal]

There any charts that show a full breakdown of parts needed for each space elevator phase

phase/part

[sullen gull]

wiki

[charred sandal]

I am unable to find it then

[sullen gull]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Space_Elevator

[charred sandal]

That is not what I meant by full breakdown.

Its ok, dw

[primal obsidian]

i found a pure geiser should i mark it, is it useful in the future

[white dawn]

If you mean, like the full production chains, that would necessarily depend on the recipes you used. :)

[charred sandal]

One based on base recipes would be fine and useful, imo

[white dawn]

In Phase 4 you can build Geothermal Generators which you can place on geysers for free power. By that stage in the game it's not a lot of power, though

[charred sandal]

Do those things just work on any geyser?

[white dawn]

Yes. I think there's something like 7GW total power from them, or something?

[sullen gull]

main "downside" is that it's not "stable"

[charred sandal]

I didnt read it much I just assumed there was a specific type

Total as in the entire map? lol

[white dawn]

Yeah, the power output fluctuates in a predictable linear up/down fashion. If you start hooking up a bunch they'll just sort of naturally even out for the most part

[reef basin]

the problem is that some parts have multiple "base" recipes (assuming "base = not alt")

(and some have none)

[white dawn]

Technically you could painstakingly hook them up in pairs which are opposite-phased to retain a "clean" straight power-production line on your graphs. :)

[sullen gull]

Ideally you will want to use your planner of choice (sftools or modeler on steam) and figure out how nest you want to proceed

[reef basin]

I thought they are RNG-ed at the start of the save? or was that changed? (or never was like that?)

[white dawn]

Hmmm, I'd thought it was fixed based on when you hook them up, but I could certainly be wrong

[reef basin]

oh I definitely have no claim to support this other than "I thought" 😄

[white dawn]

I'd think they'd need to be fixed 'cause otherwise you could technically save your game with sufficient power and then load it to a trip

(I mean, in that state you'd be tripping within a few seconds anyway, but still)

heh, me neither, in the end. :D

[reef basin]

no I meant like - when you start a new save, it rng-es the phases

[sullen gull]

rng?

[reef basin]

Random Number Generator
mostly used as shortcut for "randoms" I guess in this context 😄

[sullen gull]

Oh, duh lol. Thanks.

[white dawn]

Yeah, that's what I mean too. Like on your running save you hook up a geo gen to some machines which can run when the gen's at its peak but would trip at its lowpoint. Save the game and reload, and if it's RNG'd then you could end up tripping immediately on game load

I'd assume they'd want save/load to be deterministic

[reef basin]

hence why "start a new save" 🙂 not "load a game"

[white dawn]

But, like you, I have nothing to back up these assumptions. :D

Oh oh, sorry. Reading is hard! 🍻

[reef basin]

indeed, so many tiny letters

can't expect me to read them all at this age

[white dawn]

Goootcha. Yeah, makes sense. I admit I've only ever hooked up geothermal once just to have said that I've done it

Never actually tried to influence phase

[sullen gull]

So, are you ininuating that when you first open a save with thermal gens hooked up, they all start randomized?

[reef basin]

well, it's "I thought it works this way but actually have no idea how it works"

[white dawn]

Oh wait no, right, on my 1.0 save I actually did use one to power a couple of miners because it was convenient

So I've built at least two. :D

[sullen gull]

No no. I get that lol. Was just sitting here trying to think of a way to "test" it 😛

[reef basin]

I guess simplest is to dismantle and rebuild gen to see if it always starts at the same point of the cycle, or if it's fixed through time

[white dawn]

Should be pretty easy; if the gens' phases are determined by when you build them, then you'd expect their graph to always start at the same point after construction. If it's determined by save seed, hooking them up repeatedly should yield a start-graph at different points

Honestly save seed seems likelier now that I've thought about it. :P

Less to compute

[sullen gull]

I am curious if, with ones already built in a save, would they start at a "random" phase or if they all start at the same time when said save is first opened and maybe "desync" over time

[white dawn]

Nah, they'd definitely keep their phase between a save/load

I'd just always assumed you could finagle perfectly-inverse-phased pairs by timing your constructions/hookups, if you were mad enough to try and do so, but now I'm not so sure. :)

(Don't recall if geo gens are like other gens in that they need to have one power connection to "start up")

[primal obsidian]

how to tractors work

[sullen gull]

You'd almost have to have some way to watch ones across the map to time it right

[white dawn]

Put fuel in the back "cargo" area (can interact with it by hand)

While driving, you'll also see an option to open a menu to record a route, which would let you automate them

Truck Stations can be configured to either load or unload traffic, and have a fuel port. Any vehicle arriving at the station will refuel from that fuel bin, so long as the fuel type matches what's already in the vehicle

[white dawn]

Just a single one would tell you whether their phases are fixed or dynamic, though

[primal obsidian]

i need to transport coal from one area and iron form another area to my base so would i build a station at the coal and then another at the iron and then anotehr at my base and jsut drive to them while recording?

[white dawn]

If fixed then you're at the mercy of the save seed in terms of how "well" they all cancel each other out

[white dawn]

Yeah; you'll need to record a "loop." I recommend using the game's "natural" roads instead of building your own, and it's helpful to keep yourself to set "lanes" (like real traffic), and avoid route crossings that are bigger than 90°

You can use coal itself as a vehicle fuel; that's usually the fuel of choice for early game (for me, anyway)

[dim cradle]

I like stitched plate, faster production speed too I think

Oh I was scrolled up

Ah crap the storage array I made for crystal oscillators is full

all 5 of the industrial containers...

[white dawn]

Three more unsolicited tractor tips for recorded routes:

1. Drive carefully; take turns wider than you might think you need to.
2. Vehicles will tend to dock at any station they come near to. It helps to have "drive-through" stations
3. After recording a route, look for any blue "pause nodes" along the route and delete them; there's a bug in the game where vehicles can get deadlocked on those until you manually fix 'em

[dim cradle]

Wait so when you set up a truck route do you have to manually drive it yourself first

or will it do it on its own

Interesting

Well screw that I guess I can make a skybridge for the trucks

[white dawn]

Yeah, you have to record it. That will leave a trail of "nodes" on the map, and the vehicle will route from node to node

[dim cradle]

I'm definitely gonna try this garbage lol

[white dawn]

Anecdotally, whenever I see people complaining of weird vehicle behavior, it's on Pioneer-built roads, and on high elevated roads specifically

My own impression is that vehicles work best by far when on the map's natural roads

[dim cradle]

which is weird, it's a smooth level surface

[sullen gull]

Besides, it can be pretty immersive to utilize the beautiful terrain as well 😏

[white dawn]

IME vehicles on the natural roads will basically always auto-correct if they ever encounter problems (unexpected collisions, wildlife getting in the way, etc)

[dim cradle]

I'm expecting some issues on the dunes desert terrain but we'll see heh

[white dawn]

But whenever I see reports of people saying that they've got somehow-deadlocked vehicles, it's basically always on skybridges or pioneer-built roads

Take it with a grain of salt, of course -- this is anecdotal only. :D

[sullen gull]

Oh, and you can always walk the routes and collect "roadkill" = free coupons 🙂

[dim cradle]

Do they actually roadkill stuff while transporting?

[white dawn]

So long as you're "in range," yeah

[dim cradle]

interesting

[white dawn]

When you get too far out of range, the vehicles kind of virtualize, and the game just simulates them moving from node to node (well, and also mobs wouldn't be spawning either). In those cases you won't get roadkill

[dim cradle]

can you get in them while they're automatically driving

[ornate saffron]

going for a sleep murder loop ?

[dim cradle]

no way I wouldn't do something like that actually I would though

[ornate saffron]

I KNOW YOU WOULD LOL

[sullen gull]

I say this because I always find as least 4-6 "spawns" that have been ran over (with a new spawn already walking around) After visiting a route I havn't been around for a while.

[dim cradle]

do the vehicles uh... ever need repair or do they auto repair

[white dawn]

Yeah, I frequently see that too, until I get annoyed enough about it to disable the spawnpoints with a few power storages or whatever. :D

[whole drum]

We need little rhoombas that can follow the vehicles and scoop up remains and consumables

[white dawn]

Nah, they take no damage from anything

[dim cradle]

even if you're in them?

[white dawn]

(Relatedly, if you drive one off a cliff, it will AFAIK still just remain down at the bottom of the map forever, taking up some of your CPU. :)

[sullen gull]

They did have a "heath bar" in as late as U8 right?

[ornate saffron]

dont think they do that anymore

[white dawn]

(That was the case for basically all of EA, at least -- I honestly don't know if that's something that's been fixed up in more recent releases like 1.0)

[sullen gull]

They protect you in fact when in them

[whole drum]

If I get run over by a truck, can I scoop up my remains and turn them into coupons?

[white dawn]

Nope, they've never had health, unless I'm mistaken (which is possible, but I'm pretty sure. :)

[white dawn]

Heh, try it! ||You do ragdoll, but I believe the Pioneer takes no damage from vehicle collisions||

[sullen gull]

My favorite is jumping in the explorer and driving to different parts of the map, finding neat routes, etc

[sullen gull]

There is a "reward" though 😏

[white dawn]

Yeah, I know people have complained about the post-U8 Explorer handling, but IMO it's still a blast to drive around

[whole drum]

I don't really mess with vehicles. Except drones--but I send those to Eastern Europe

[white dawn]

Ah, that'd be nice

[dim cradle]

All that annoys me is that I wasn't even going to waste resources unlocking Mk4 belts because I wasn't gonna use them. But I need MK4 belts to get the truck

Ah well.

[white dawn]

I suppose a couple minutes of ingame testing + SCIM would verify re: vehicles-to-void. :)

[sullen gull]

Why wouldn't one use mk4 belts? 🤔

[dim cradle]

I just didn't feel like using them. I completed phase 3 easily with mk3 belts

Gonna go straight to mk5s

[white dawn]

They are comparatively "expensive" to build compared to mk5s, and you've typically got mk5s available pretty quickly after mk4s, if you decide to rush 'em

[sullen gull]

Eh, guess that's fair.

[white dawn]

(I don't personally avoid mk4s, but I admit they don't tend to see a lot of use in my factories, and I'm often eager to get aluminum going)

[sullen gull]

But right into alumium .. which can be a headache for some 😏

[whole drum]

If you abuse enough alt recipes, Mk4 are much cheaper. But if you're using defaults, Mk5 are the way.

[white dawn]

Yeah, kind of depends on your comfort with aluminum for sure

[dim cradle]

Okay I mean like technically I haven't "completed" phase 3, except that I've made like 4-5x what the phase needs already...

[sullen gull]

I use all the belts all the time. If I need >270 or <480, mk4

[hard ivy]

you can get mk4 basically as soon as you're in tier 5. that's far from tier 7. no clue why you'd skip them

[white dawn]

Heh, yeah, I'm lazy and tend to just always use whatever my highest-tier belt is

Although I admit I'll often reserve mk6es for when I actually need 'em, unless I specifically want their vibe; they make a much stronger aesthetic statement than the other belts do

[sullen gull]

The one "tip" always sticks in my head "Faster belts don't mean faster production" 🤣

[whole drum]

This. Whatever I have automated to enough degree to freely use.

[white dawn]

Ah, true, I think for some reason I'd thought mk4s came later. (Though as I say, I certainly don't personally avoid mk4s)

[dim cradle]

I just didn't need to actually upgrade any of my miner inputs to finish phase 3 with mk3s. There just isn't much incentive to imo. Like apocalyptech says, I also think that the industrial beam things they need are a bit expensive to make. IIRC aluminum can be mass produced super fast for cheap

but it's just a personal thing

[white dawn]

I mean, I also find EIBs trivial to produce en masse as well; part of it is just being used to the scale of the game. :D

[hard ivy]

I had EIBs unlocked way before even completing phase 2. so all I needed to do is unlock mk4 belts and I had them available in unlimited quantities

[white dawn]

I don't avoid mk2s either. Sure, it's a bigger factory, but whatever. :P

[dim cradle]

Oh I mean I DO have those EIBs in like massive numbers. Probably like 20k in a storage array

it's just mostly was too lazy to bother using them

[white dawn]

mk2+mk4 seem "expensive" especially to newer folks just 'cause the factories can get larger than they expect. Once you're used to those scales, though, they don't seem bad at all

[hard ivy]

eh, those I avoid because I can't be bothered to properly automate RIPs before coal. and after coal I have mk3s already

[dim cradle]

alrighty time to try this truck out

[sturdy mural]

#screenshots message

i just made my first nuclear powerplant !!!
before i had the consumption literally equal to capacity 🙏

[dim cradle]

Uh how do I... dock this truck

[sturdy mural]

truck station

[dim cradle]

I'm pressing F and it don't do it

I'm at the truck station

[sturdy mural]

you sure you have power/resources/configured it well?

[sullen gull]

What are you expecting?

[dim cradle]

Kind of for it to be docked like a train and stationary mostly

do there need to be actual resources to deliver for it to do so

[sturdy mural]

yes

[dim cradle]

I see

[hard ivy]

that also does nothing unless you have items to move

[whole drum]

It's easy when you know the math and a clean setup for them. 120 raw iron per minute produces 10 r. plates/m

[sturdy mural]

you cannot load air 😔

[rain stag]

roundabouts in a multi truck highway network. yay or nay

[hard ivy]

the "truck" already makes it a nay for me lol. add "network" and "roundabout" and it's a fuck no

[ornate saffron]

mI like them but not everyone does. if you have many trucks then can cause issues

[whole drum]

Can't imagine using trucks for anything than scenery so... 🤷

[sullen gull]

Risk of collisions if a good amount of vehicles

[reef basin]

why not, up to you

for trains it's crap tho

[sick falcon]

how do i make my train lines smooth

[azure reef]

#screenshots what am i doing wrong

[sullen gull]

Why are they crap?

[whole drum]

Polish them

[reef basin]

posting question not in #1038092680493801533 would be my first "what am I doing wrong" guess

[azure reef]

good idea

[white dawn]

I've not actually done vehicle roundabouts, but I actually don't see why it couldn't work (with my usual caveat that IMO vehicles work best on "natural" ground). Especially at more "smooth" merging angles, vehicles IME are quite polite and will often wait for each other

[reef basin]

low throughput, classic X junction has higher throughput and same space usage, if you need even more throughput then 3D junctions

[sullen gull]

I'd guess your station is backwards

[white dawn]

I have seen vehicles at 90° crossings bonk into each other occasionally, but I've also always seen them auto-recover, so eh

[azure reef]

well i flipped it around at it started filling up the freight platform so im assuming its the right way round

[sullen gull]

As in loading it onto the train? or loading items into the platform? The latter just means it recieved power

[rain stag]

in my case roundabouts will be most effective. will try and say if it worked out

[azure reef]

ah, it didnt fill up when it was turned the other way around

[dim cradle]

Alright time to transport all of this coal from the arse end of the desert dunes map all the way back to base somehow with a truck I guess

[sullen gull]

Station layout for single track end to end trains should be: (]{}{}------{}{}[)

Where
(] is a station and {} is a platform

[azure reef]

yeah thats how i have it set up rn

[sullen gull]

not according to your screenshot

[azure reef]

okay i just placed it again and it works now so apparently i did have it wrong lol

[sullen gull]

pay attention to the "rounded" part of the station, that is the "front"

[azure reef]

i SWEAR i placed it facing away

[ornate saffron]

thats how i keep track... the arrows confuse me for somereason

[sullen gull]

Yeah, they could be more "prounced" at best methinks

[azure reef]

how do i set it up so that each station fills a different cart or does it just do that automatically

[shy mulch]

For transporting stuff like that in bulk across biomes, trains make the most sense

[ornate saffron]

color code the freight cars and the freight plateforms. that way you always know what linesup where

[sullen gull]

You can use empty platforms to "space out" station setups

[ornate saffron]

that too ^_^

[dim cradle]

Well I started out in the desert so this is my home biome. It should have a clear path back to my base

I did totally use a train for oil though

[sullen gull]

Also, it's not reccommended "early on" (or ever unless you're a madman) to mix items in one car

[dim cradle]

Skytrain (TM) #screenshots message

[sturdy mural]

-# you can use :tm: for The Better Text™

[dim cradle]

Next thing you'll be telling me to get nitro geez

[sturdy mural]

hell naw not worth it

[white dawn]

Heh, sushi deliveries are fine once you're used to 'em, though I don't know that I can refute the "madman" claim, so..... :D

[sullen gull]

I was going to tag Vencam, but I decided not to 🤣

[whole drum]

Nu™eg

[marble garden]

Can anyone help me with my spaghetti factory I'm trying to fix it just got tier 2 and looking to make it not look like trash

[whole drum]

You using foundation to organize?

[white dawn]

Honestly, my advice is to leave it! Just let it build the stuff it's building and don't touch it again. For the new stuff you want to build, just make new factories from scratch

(And if you continue just building new factories from scratch for each new thing you want to build, you have the continued advantage that you're never shackled to past mistakes!)

[whole drum]

More opportunities to learn, adapt, modify, experiment

[marble garden]

Oh ok yeah I'm just using this one for materials going to go get a coal power plant started

[white dawn]

Oh for sure; early game is just "do whatever you need to to get to coal power." :)

[ornate saffron]

@sturdy mural grats on the power grid ^_^

[whole drum]

I will say that you can make things easier on yourself by laying out large foundation segments to work with, and build them off ground level a little bit so that they don't have to compete with the terrain

[marble garden]

Oh okay yeah I'm just trying to get coal started so I don't have to do more defoistation

Sorry can't spell

[whole drum]

Defloration 😏

[rain stag]

and try to stay away from the cubes, just like building a minecraft house u know

[dim cradle]

wait so how do I unload from a truck

it only gave me a load option... or does that just do both

[white dawn]

If you're trying to do it manually while recording a route, ignore loading/unloading entirely

The behavior there when doing it manually is a bit weird

When an automated vehicle arrives at a station, the station will do whatever it's configured to do (load or unload)

So it's the station config which becomes important

[dim cradle]

I keep forgetting they set these to load/unload stations not just bidirectional

so it's just like the train huh

[whole drum]

Except bad, yes

[sturdy mural]

and fun

[white dawn]

I think the issue with manually hitting load/unload while manually driving is down to mismatches with the station config, but I've yet to take the time to find out exactly what it is. Regardless, while recording routes you don't have to worry about it at all. Just drive through the station's bay; you'll get a yellow "pause node" at the station automatically

[dim cradle]

can both station types still refuel it at least

[ornate saffron]

its off tyhe rails

[dim cradle]

I mean it seemed kind of fun and I could specifically make sure to hit every creature spawn I came across while driving it

[sturdy mural]

i personally slow down and drive through it slower than HOLD W

[white dawn]

For longer routes it's sometimes even helpful to have a refuelling-only station, set to "load" but with nothing in the cargo bay, but fuel in the hopper. Any vehicle driving through it will top up. :)

[sturdy mural]

gas station !!!

[sullen gull]

The truck doesn't even have to "dock". It will refuel so long as there is fuel in the station and the truck is near it.

[white dawn]

Yeah, and vehicles start their "docking" procedure kind of far out from the official loading area

In practice I suspect the yellow pause node can be set at least a few seconds shorter than you technically need, 'cause the vehicle will start loading/unloading as it approaches

(though that's another thing I've never actually tested out; I tend to just set to the pause node to whatever's appropriate anyway. A few seconds isn't gonna make a difference generally)

[coral cliff]

Ugh, I'm stuck on trying to figure out how to automate turbofuel right now.

[white dawn]

(and if a few seconds' delay does negatively impact the route's throughput, then I'd be adding a second vehicle to the route anyway. I don't like running vehicles/trains/drones too close to their throughput limits in general)

[dense violet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=9DSHpyLpNrVFeHk9s6af a basic path

[sturdy mural]

its ||fuel + coal + sulfur||?

[odd remnant]

Is there a way to offload a train cargo without having to go automatic mode?

[sturdy mural]

offload?

[odd remnant]

Like drop off cargo

[sullen gull]

You can press F to dock at the station

[odd remnant]

Ohh okay

[sullen gull]

When in manual driving mode

[odd remnant]

Thank you I wasn’t aware that

[coral cliff]

I've been blueprinting everything so that I can just take in raw resources and output the final product. But turbo fuel produces either rubber, plastic, or residue. I don't want to overproduce rubber and plastic, as they aren't used much on their own, and residue would require me to either dump it into a sink, or to route it to the entrance of my central factory to be useful, and then I would want to use it for other parts, but be limited by the number of Turbofuel blueprints I had placed, requiring me to place more if I need to ramp up production later.

And I know that I'm being stupid about this, but I can't stop thinking about it >.<

[dense violet]

don't create a power production like that

create power
if you have waste product, find a spot to use it else where if yout want. Otherwise sink it until you do

that way you don't need to 'ramp up productin later' , you just build a dedicated plubber factory

[sullen gull]

Plubber factory 🤣 .

[dense violet]

faster than saying plastic and rubber

[coral cliff]

So it's just better to sink residue?

[dense violet]

instead of wracking your brain? generally. At least if you're obsessing over it

[sullen gull]

Oh, no crit, just found it funny

[dim cradle]

isn't a plubber factory about using the residue to start the feedback loop?

[dense violet]

You could use some of the resin to make plastic and cannisters to make packaged fuel? useful for vehicles and jet pack

[coral cliff]

That makes sense.

[hard ivy]

you'll get some anyway

[dense violet]

plubber is just a word that combines woth plastic and rubber. I don't think it matters who you make it. Just often people do the recycled loop

[white dawn]

Yeah, it is good to make use of byproducts, for sure. But when setting up power, deal with the power first, and make sure any byproducts are getting safely sunk. Once you do have a use for 'em, then, you can redirect them over to the new process (making sure that you still have an overflow-to-sink just in case)

[dim cradle]

the recycled loop is insanely strong

Dunno why they balanced the recipes like that

[whole drum]

Smart Splitters set to Overflow -> Sink everything you don't want to use right now. Later on, just set the other splitter options to feed where you want as you start processing it.

[white dawn]

The main tradeoff is that it's an awfully complicated loop compared to practically anything else in the game, IMO

I don't think your average player would stumble across it on their own

(I mean, I'm not saying it's hard; once you've done it a few times it's as easy as anything else in the game. But it's kind of wild to build the first time or two)

[dense violet]

if you split your plubber factory into 2, one dedicated for a final plastic outpout and one for a final rubber output, it becomes very simple

[coral cliff]

To be clear, this would be my slow transition to turbofuel from coal. I'm not desperate for power. Really, it's about getting turbofuel for flight, and then dumping the rest so that I have power for the next step of production after this.

[dense violet]

just repetitive

[urban bobcat]

How do guys use dim depot and those type of stuff? I just found out a guy use it for building materials like plates, rods, etc. (anything to create buildings/factories) If this is the way how do I properly do it?

[dense violet]

I'd probably just make a dedicated packaged facility then https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=68OAfFIwlvf9W7YiGkLt

making half assed power is not a good move imo

everything else in the game? yeah, quarter ass it if you want

Not power.

[white dawn]

One or more Depot per item used for building (or healing, or ammo, etc), at the end of the production line which is making it (which potentially also directs to some other "manual" storage if you want to do such a thing). Keep upgrading via MAM.

[whole drum]

Once you find a SAM node and can start mining it, and you have access to Steel Pipes, you can process it and use with with Mercer Spheres and Somersloops in the MAM

[white dawn]

The only real catch is to ensure that you only have a single item going into a single Depot

You can't reliably sushi-deliver items into the Depots

[dim cradle]

I didn't really find it that complicated tbh, even my sleep addled brain was able to make a crappier feedback loop than the optional one. Just at the time I didn't think of using the residue from heavy oil production to start the cycle, and I didn't have the recipe for diluted fuel unlocked I think.

But it might not be something that you'd do naturally, I guess yeah

[white dawn]

(You can process a sushi belt to send its output to multiple Depots, of course, but each Depot needs a feeder belt with just a single type of resource)

[urban bobcat]

what do I upgrade first?

[white dawn]

Whatever you want! Opinions vary.

[urban bobcat]

I see

[dim cradle]

Like I came across it on a wiki as an idea

[white dawn]

Doubtless you will get some of those opinions shortly, but as with nearly everything else in this game, the answer really is: whatever you want

[dim cradle]

I guess the main issue is just having both recipes so you think of it

[whole drum]

Plates, Rods, Cables, and Concrete are the usual first picks. They let you make endless foundations, power poles, crafting benches, rebar, etc.

[dim cradle]

It's like one of those things that's super optimal and obvious if you know it exists, but if you don't know the recipes exist you wouldn't just build it

Which is kind of iffy tbf

Some of the oil/plastic/etc recipes are so powerful they're kind of OP..

[white dawn]

On the other hand, there's also so much oil on the map that you can get by just fine with much simpler setups, if you want

(At the cost of more power requirements, I suppose. :D)

[hard ivy]

yeah, it's SFTools that made me realize how good the recycling loop is. I saw those recipes earlier, but didn't do the math and I didn't pay them much mind

[white dawn]

Anyway, I dunno. I don't mind the occasional recipe chain feeling OP; it's not something you get much in the game, so the occasional exception doesn't bug me. :)

[nova pumice]

Hee what Will be the release time of the console edition on November 4th?

[whole drum]

Sometime between 12am on the 4th and 12am on the 5th

[white dawn]

I feel like the petrochem recycling loop in particular is justified by its complexity and alt-recipe requirements

[reef basin]

fun fact, when they were introduced, I spent like 2 hours doing math on paper, and result was "they are crap and not worth"... how wrong I was 😄

(most likely also did some mistake with the math, this was pre-new-tools)

[shrewd palm]

@azure reef not sure if anyones answered you yet but the station is the wrong way

either that or you're missing one

[azure reef]

yeah i also just ended up making it a separate railway because signals were giving me a headache

[reef basin]

see this is just another great example of why asking in #1038092680493801533 is better

[dense violet]

or jsut literally any channel where you can both talk and have images

so not in #screenshots or #satisfactory

[reef basin]

ofc (just they were sent to QaH before, so I mentioned that channel now)

[dense violet]

ah didnt know that xD

[hard ivy]

I still don't understand why people ask questions in #screenshots knowing that nobody can respond

[reef basin]

my guess is a combination of:

• they don't know we can't respond there
• people ask there so they repeat their mistake (or some people sent them there for no reason)
• they figure out that they can't send image here when asking here, so they think whole (most of) server has images disabled and look for image-allowed channel, where simply by name #screenshots fits best

[dense violet]

-habit

[white dawn]

Hence my proposal to prefix all channel names with #screenshots-allowed-here-

[dense violet]

people start sending images there for like recipe questions and they just keep doing it

[ivory condor]

because

[barren arch]

67hours to get into phase 3

[dense violet]

not even prefix, just name all the channels that

[reef basin]

or just rename #screenshots to #no-questions-here

[white dawn]

okay stick with me here: prefix every channel with a number, and prime numbered channels allow screenshots...

[reef basin]

the recipe images are bad there as well 😄

[shy mulch]

Hope the mods are preparing their coffee. There's gonna be chaos here on Xbox release day

[white dawn]

Or we could do the thing I've seen in some servers where each channel has an Emoji prefix so they're impossible to type-link and whether or not the channel allows screenshots is indicated by the friendliness of the emoji

[reef basin]

oh I'm so looking forward to all the "what's best alt" or "what's best place to start" or similar questions

[reef basin]

would you consider a friendly emoji? 🤔

[white dawn]

We should create an "official" recipe tier list we could link those folks to, which just has Charcoal and Biocoal on S and everything else on D

[barren arch]

i played this game for like 12 hours today

[shy mulch]

These kinds of questions should be in #faq imo

[sullen gull]

Maybe so much so that there will/should be a separate channel for the console users? 😏

[ivory condor]

all of the people asking console questions, not realizing we are the pc master race and know nothing of being a console peasant

[dense violet]

not really, since the answers are , 'theres no best recipe' and 'any start zone'

not that it would make a difference, no one reads #faq

[sullen gull]

With alts, to many variants/reasons for an FAQ to cover. Really the same with the best place to start

[reef basin]

I mean this is pretty good for that, no? #math-and-meta message

[reef basin]

nobody reads #faq is the problem here

[white dawn]

Speaking of which, #faq should probably remove that thing about Coal gens, eh? <@&387163995947270144>

Probably misleading nowadays given the age of that bug (if anyone with coal gen problems even sees that, of course)

[barren arch]

tiermaker def deservers an S 👏

[dense violet]

ah yes, all those people reading the faq will be saved now xD

[white dawn]

lol, perfect. :)

[white dawn]

shhhhh

[ivory condor]

I find it funny thats still in the faq

[shy mulch]

They don't, but it means we can just tag #faq in response to any such questions instead of having to actually engage with people who don't read or think

[whole drum]

There's a FAQ?

Only one channel exists on the list

[reef basin]

I mean the same way you can tag your response from previously-answered-question

[ivory condor]

so you removed all other channels interesting

[reef basin]

f.e. this was my go-to reply to people who asked about alts back in the day where we got the question every minute - #math-and-meta message

[hard ivy]

yeah, but linking #faq is much faster than everything else, and for short questions, just answering them is faster than looking for a specific post to link to

[reef basin]

ctrl+V is kinda faster than writing #faq 😄

(and yes that thing lived in my clipboard for like a month straight when we got the worst waves of "what to pick")

(also I wanted that post pinned but I guess it wasn't good enough to get pinned, so I doubt it'll get put into FAQ)

[hard ivy]

my current ctrl+v is \bigcap_{Y \in \mathcal{K}} \bigcup_{t \in Y} A_t so I don't think that's gonna work as an answer

[reef basin]

eh still better than "cast screw is objectively best alt"

[sturdy mural]

my ctrl+V is a 10x5 screenshot

[steel kelp]

the faq doesnt answer any actual gameplay questions tho im confused?

[reef basin]

there's a few

like how to break boulders on nodes and such

[steel kelp]

yea but like nothing abt alts or anything lol

[reef basin]

basically this whole section #faq message

[shy mulch]

That's my point, it should

[vapid dust]

Sorry if this has been answered but do we know if satisfactory will be available for preorder or not?

[reef basin]

that's why we wanted it to be added 🙂

[steel kelp]

oh i see lol myb

[vapid dust]

On ps5 sorry

[steel kelp]

nope

[reef basin]

you can order it right now on PC

[steel kelp]

im so excited for tmrw

[vapid dust]

Oh okay

[steel kelp]

been waiting ages for it to come to consoles

[vapid dust]

Same!

[urban fractal]

Hey sorry to ask that question again but is the game launching on ps5 at midnight the 4th of november or its like 6pm or sometimes around that

Its just that i'm hyped i know satisfactory sinc the early acess in 2018 if i don’t miss the dates and i am realy hyped like realy realy hyped 🥹

[reef basin]

doesn't [shop of your choice] offer some sort of whislist or watcher?

[shy mulch]

The PlayStation store says 12 noon UK time

[reef basin]

how dare you post that link

bot is angry

[shy mulch]

Automod says not allowed haha

Oh well, it's easily Googleable

[reef basin]

did you delete it or did the bot do it?

[shy mulch]

I did

[urban fractal]

Okay thx i didn’t know thx for saving my sleep schedule the last time a game lauched at midnight i did not sleep (it was subnautica belowzero)

[ivory condor]

belowzero was a bit of a disappointment

[urban fractal]

I'ma watch on the ps store

[ivory condor]

also im worried the sequal, alot of lawsuits going right with that studio

just praying it doesnt impact development of the game somehow

[urban fractal]

I agree the only thing that i realy liked was the story tbh just because it was more easy to find your way

[reef basin]

not 100% guarantee it will be that time tho (there have been reports of wrong times set). But it shouldn't be on midnight, since they will most likely be streaming it

[dense violet]

gen chat is going to be filled with people who can't read pipe flow limits soon ....

[reef basin]

my pipe is at 0/50 flow wtf

[urban fractal]

I hope so too i love subnautica they need to make something realy good with it because sub bw was realy a disapointement for a lot of People

[dense violet]

and the somewhat less common people who can't read belt throughput limits

[urban fractal]

Thank you 🙏

[ivory condor]

the story was ok, but it just seemed like a lesser version overall of the original, vehicle selection, map size, etc was clearly lacking compared to the base game

hope we get a good larger map like the first game and some equal good vehicle selection with the sequel, which honestly i think we are all expecting that

[urban fractal]

Yes fr and the map was tiny compared to subnautica you didn’t have a lot of space to travel

[shrewd palm]

i think the largest impact was probably just the founders getting fired

and the lawsuits are wrecking krafton rn and i think they still have to give the payout anyways but im not 100% sure

i have no idea why they ever thought this was a good idea

[urban fractal]

And just one thing that they need to do with the new one is to add a large sub like the cyclops it was crazy back when i played it for the first time

[ivory condor]

yep, i understand why the cyclop wasn't included in the game because it wouldnt have made alot of sense, but that just added to my disappointment to a degree

[shrewd palm]

i think i'd be pretty happy if the subnautica 2 map is like at least 50% larger than subnautica 1

[ivory condor]

one thing i really liked about the game was the larger, deeper explorable areas, and also having a mobile base aka the cyclop and it made for fun and interesting mechanics, that mostly is missing from belowzero, because of the smaller map size and vehicle selection

[shrewd palm]

or if it had a larger cave system (lost river but under the whole map)

[ivory condor]

Yes and deeper😍

[urban fractal]

Yes that was lacking in bw the only deep place you could go to was the crystal caves and they were to tiny to fit a cyclops wich is realy bad in my opinion since we are talking about a ocean survival game with big leviathan and deep places

[ivory condor]

what happens when money men are in charge apu🤦‍♂️

imo becoming part of krafton was probably the worst decision that studio made

and not one that can unfortunately be undone now, we can only pray it doesnt negatively impact the sequal

[shrewd palm]

and the worst thing is that buying the game means giving money to krafton

[urban fractal]

Yes this situation is bad since now we have to wait for 2026 and unknow world is in a bad place with krafton too

[shrewd palm]

from what i've heard unknown worlds has full control over the development

and the founders could really only be fired if they were not working on subnautica related things (krafton has yet to provide any actual evidence that says they were goofing off) or if they got into legal trouble (they did not)

and on top of that krafton was trying to sabotage the game interally for a little while when they realized that they'd actually have to give out the 250 million bonus, and once they realized there was nothing else they could do they broke contract and fired the founders so that they could install their own ceo and delay the game to next year (despite it being ready for early access a month or two ago)

[urban fractal]

With all that krafton is looking like a bad video game studio who think just about money and nothing else so even for their studio its not good they get a lot of hate and all but with what we know for now they realy seem like the bad guys there

[shrewd palm]

so yes things are bad but unknown worlds is still making really good progress and the founders getting fired doesnt seem to have set them back too much

[shrewd palm]

they 100% are

if they somehow survive the ongoing lawsuit that they are guaranteed to lose i dont think anyone will want to work with them ever again

[ivory condor]

Makes sense, that krafton so they can get out of paying that bonus, its obvious

[urban fractal]

Sadly yes and i say sadly because techland has done a collab with them dying light the beast 😮‍💨

In*

[shrewd palm]

everyone's out there to make money and i guess some people just want it more than others

and i guess for krafton that means making up lies and sabotaging any success you'll have in the future

[sturdy mural]

guys FICSMAS is coming soon, anyone knows if its gonna be the same/similar as last year? and how far into the progression does it go?

[shrewd palm]

should be the same i think

[shy mulch]

we can only guess, no official announcements, just keep an eye out on announcements

[shrewd palm]

iirc the devs said they havent changed anything, ficsmas calendar will be different tho

[sturdy mural]

well then based off of the previous one(s?)

how far did that one go??

[shy mulch]

what do you mean by "how far"

[sturdy mural]

like
does it just take iron/copper
does it take oil stuff
or do i need to hurry cuz there's something that requires ficsite

[shrewd palm]

should be all basic materials + whatever drops from the sky

[ivory condor]

From kraftons perspective they know most people won't follow the news and it won't impact sales that much and they are unfortunately right for the most part likely

[sturdy mural]

around how far into the unlocks etc it dips

[dense violet]

they don't talk about things like that until it's fully locked in and/or right about to be realeased

[sturdy mural]

what about last year

[dense violet]

you can read about last year on the wiki

probably

[sturdy mural]

fair

[shrewd palm]

unfortunately for them the little news that people will see will be VERY negative about them, and i think that as long as people know theres a subnautica 2 (which is kind of hard to not know as its often all over youtube because of the situation) they'll at least be trying to see where it is along development

[cunning siren]

Wow, Grassy Fields is rough, gotta run all over the place to get stuff 😆

[sturdy mural]

now can anyone tell me where did i make modular engines 🤔 /joke

[barren arch]

i did spawn there and i regret it

[reef basin]

eh, it's decent location

[barren arch]

maybe i made my factory in a bad place

[reef basin]

well you shouldn't have a single factory, and you should build every factory near nodes it needs

starting location is not much relevant once you get to like T3

[barren arch]

im just got to phase 3, ill do that

[urban bobcat]

is it worth putting screws in the dim depot?

[barren arch]

but my factory is near 4 iron nodes, 4 limestone nodes and one copper node

[reef basin]

that sounds just fine for starter factory?

[reef basin]

if you want to use them for something, why not?

[urban bobcat]

Don't worry too much abt having the perfect spot no matter what you will move so just build and make factories

[hard ivy]

for what?

[barren arch]

ig it is, cuz i didnt really took a look on energy producers on phase 3

[urban bobcat]

exactly what I thought... Do I really need them in hand all the time?

or is it better if I just carry some in my own personal inventory

[reef basin]

if you need them at any point of game in inventory, I'd just put them into depot

[hard ivy]

put 500 in manually, it'll be enough for the awesome shop if you want one and that's it

[reef basin]

may be good for prefilled bp-ed manifolds I guess

[urban bobcat]

thats all it makes right other than actual parts? is awesome shop

[hard ivy]

and some equipment

[cunning siren]

Making steel so Depot sooon ™

[urban bobcat]

so like u mention earlier if I put 500 manually and lets say I do build that awesome shop just for that moment, when I destroy it does it go to my dim depot inventory? or in my personal inventory?

[cunning siren]

Started in the "bad" area for grassy, found the "good" area to the NW later 🤷

[hard ivy]

your inventory. but then you can just put them back into the depot when you unlock the manual uploader

[urban bobcat]

ooooh I see right right

make sense thank you

[worldly pelican]

Let me ping the one and only person who could actually edit the FAQ message: @void gorge

[visual harness]

ok, so what are the easiest ways to deal with water you get from recipes? just to sink it with packaging and make weat concreate, or are there other good ways to get rid of it

[hard ivy]

all recipes that have a water byproduct use the same amount or more earlier in the chain. just put it back in

[sturdy mural]

i personally try to waste it in as you said wet concrete for example
if not, then a packager and zoop to sink

[ornate saffron]

any pure recipe bottling and sinking. Feeding it back into your Alumni solution (scrap makes half the amount of water you need to make the alumni solution)

[sturdy mural]

how does one go about maintaining it tho
like no overfilling

[visual harness]

I did that for my aluminum line, however it was a royal pain to do so

[hard ivy]

I use a VIP Junction. or package it and use a prio merger, then unpackage

[sturdy mural]

VIP Junction???

[ornate saffron]

lets say you are making wety concrete with your water. Clock thee wet concrete refineries so it usses 100% of the water created

[sturdy mural]

i know
i was talking about a loop

[hard ivy]

a priority merger for liquids. it's in the plumbing manual pinned in #math-and-meta

[visual harness]

you know, I still don't know if it's a "good" or "negative" thing that there is unironically a liquids manual that people can reference for this game

[ornate saffron]

oh okay well... what i did was have even number of Alumni refineries. the scrap water into half of the alumni refeneries as 100% of scrap water is half the amount you need to make the alumni solution the otehr half i fed fresh water

but it is a pain

[dense violet]

You can keep the fresh and waste split between 2 sections of machines so they don't mix

[mortal ginkgo]

It is bad. Devs know it is bad too. Lets see what 1.2 brings.

Its a Goddamn pipe. It shouldnt need rocket science.

[shrewd palm]

praying its good things

[mortal ginkgo]

I hope so too!

[small pebble]

RMB wont detonate my nobelisks... any clue why? secondary fire is set to rmb lol

[dense violet]

Some people just can't use like 2 or 3 basic bits of info to make pipes work. I assume because they don't like thinking about things

[mortal ginkgo]

I personally have no problem with pipes and if I see someone having a problem I dont say its a you problem.

I guess its a personal issue to insult 90% of community.

[dense violet]

90% >.>

[visual harness]

I do not think most people are aware that backflow, sloshing etc is a thing, or that the junctions has a priority input, if you put them sideways.
Maybe if you work with pipes irl you might figure that out, but few players will automatically figure that out on their own

[mortal ginkgo]

System is wack. Devs know it is wack. Yet some people feels the urge to defend it.

At first I thought they were joking. Now I know it is a mental illness because there is no other explanation.

[shrewd palm]

thats the big thing i have with pipes

[dense violet]

VIPs are an exploit so that's not surprising.
but you could just have a basic page that goes over things. Instead people rely on bad videos people put on youtube and they get upset when the wrong people say wrong things

[small pebble]

there is also a layer of elitism.. i can do it and havent had an issue so nobody else should

which is more or less, natural

[shrewd palm]

they're mostly fine if you know how to work around them, problem is its not very intuitive and most people wont really figure it out by themselves unless they spend hours and hours testing different setups and stuff

[mortal ginkgo]

The issue is that a fix is not a fix for someone else despite the fact that it is the exact same setup.

Whatever the calculation is going on have a wacky multithreading code behind that doesnt work for all CPUs.

[dense violet]

Tons of people have asked me 'hey how does this work?' and generally after a minute of explanation, they make it work

[mortal ginkgo]

Ah elitism is a better word but I think thats a mental problem yet thats another topic.

But yes, your wording is better.

[small pebble]

pipes aside, why wont RMB detonate my nobelisks 😂

[dense violet]

most of the issues come up when people approahc pipes and get upset because they don't work how they want them to work

[mortal ginkgo]

do you have more than one detonator?

[small pebble]

no

[dense violet]

they just expect covered belts.

[shrewd palm]

range maybe? im not entirely sure if they have one or not tho

[mortal ginkgo]

I bet you are not far away either..?

[small pebble]

right on top these mfers haha

[shrewd palm]

ficsit doesnt want their star pioneer to be harmed i guess

[small pebble]

NOW it works

weird..

[shy mulch]

it doesn't need rocket science, it's really not that complicated at all, just modern gamers seem to be allergic to thinking and planning

[mortal ginkgo]

a suggestion os reequiping it

[small pebble]

now it goes back to NOT working.. bruh im so confused

[visual harness]

I was not talking about VIPs, I was just saying that the way fluids works in the game are not intuitive for new players, and if any issues arise, they'll likely have to rely on outside info for anything not related to headlift, as that at least is explained in the game

[small pebble]

requip worked.. at least temp lol

[mortal ginkgo]

90% of people I see on reddit and Mrkibitz that I watch time to time cant be assorted to those people.

People who dont want to think wouldnt bother making a reddit post either imho.

The system is wack. Not much defense needed when even devs agree.

[dense violet]

and that's reasonable. There could be something on the wiki about it.
basically every crafty, automation, survival game relies on a good wiki

[mortal ginkgo]

are you playing multiplayer or in dedicated server etc?

[small pebble]

dedicated

[mortal ginkgo]

yup problem is there.

[dim cradle]

Good god this crap is buggy. I can't get this thing to load ore after I finish recording half the time....

start recording I mean

[shy mulch]

maybe I'm just wired differently, I thought fluids in this game were perfectly intuitive and everything made sense, I haven't had any serious issues that I couldn't easily resolve

[dense violet]

trucks? just record a pause in front of the station

[dim cradle]

yeah I'm trying to actually have it load so I can see how long it would take, but when I press F it's not loading despite me having nothing in the cargo

[visual harness]

try to save and re-load the world, maybe restart your game. Also if you have multiple types in your inventory, maybe check if you are accidentally changing which one you have selected

[mortal ginkgo]

you dont need to load stuff when recording. if you see "interact" indicator and stop at the station, the truck will do its thing dont worry.

the press F is really borked that it hardly works for me. but my tractors are wobbling around fine

[dense violet]

you don't need to press F , it loads stacks per second

[ornate saffron]

is the truck stop powered?

[dim cradle]

Yeah it's powered, like it did it before

It's just when I reload when I mess up the route and am back at the stop, it won't load

I guess I'll just try pausing.

[mortal ginkgo]

as I said. dont worry if you cant press F while recording. Stopping at truck station is enough.

[dense violet]

are you trying to load/unload while you're actually driving? cause it'll do that when it's actually on it's route

[mortal ginkgo]

truck will do its thing

[rustic pier]

anybody ever have an issue where you get in the elevator hit the button and it goes part of the way and then back down.. like there s something in the way but there isnt?

[visual harness]

I think they are more so talking about irl physics like backflow etc, and mk.2 pipes being unreliable at providing max output

[mortal ginkgo]

multiplayer session?

[rustic pier]

solo

between floor 2 and 3 is happens but only when i am in it.

[shy mulch]

mine are working perfectly at 600/min, and I have resolved the backflow issues on my pipe manifolds

[mortal ginkgo]

Interesting, never head that.

[sturdy mural]

i have studied the pipe manual
but the VIP Junction does not make sense to me
on page 16 it says that it prioritizes the Lowest input???
wouldn't it prioritize the highest since it flows down?

[shrewd palm]

the lowest is the lowest one

for the fluids moving downwards

[shy mulch]

your mistake is thinking about it like it's real life, it isn't, it doesn't use real life physics, just trust what it says, it works

[visual harness]

tldr, lowest is the highest priority, and it will fill layer by layer vertically if you have pipes distributed in that manner

[ivory condor]

junctions in this game are janky, they even will have different behavior depending on how you rotate them

[dense violet]

it's an exploit. It doesn't have to make sense

[sturdy mural]

so it works opposite to irl???
like it goes

• lowest priority
• low priority
• normal priority
• high
• highest / output
  ??

[ivory condor]

for example you can rotate them so them so it prioritizes the top, depending on how you rotate them, so thats fun

[dense violet]

exploit

[ivory condor]

i still dont quite understand the internal logic of junctions, because well they are janky and have special logic to them

[sturdy mural]

exploit does not confirm if i understand it

[sturdy mural]

how ??

[ivory condor]

ask css

[dense violet]

there's a weird bugbear in how junctions work

people have found if things are placed in very specific ways, black magic happens.

that's it

[ivory condor]

as i said junctions are janky and will have different behavior depending on how they are rotated, have fun understanding them because I do

[visual harness]

I'd recommend you not think too hard about it, unless you want to fully use the junction system, which most people don't need

[mortal ginkgo]

pipes are fine. its a you problem. if you dont know at least read the manual. this games pipe system is perfect. it is your fault. you think wrong. you play the game wrong. you are 100% wrong. You fail at this game. Stop playing after finishing phase 2.

... some would say but I disagree. Pipes are wack.

[dense violet]

yeah exploits never have existed ever in anything

[ivory condor]

Agreed I try not to anymore, i already melted my brain enough times trying to understand how junctions actually work

[white dawn]

Oops, sorry!

[dense violet]

galaxybrainexplosion.gif

[ivory condor]

me after trying to understand how junctions function

[grim trellis]

5 months since 1.1, id assume 1.2 would be on the horizon.

[ivory condor]

Its confirmed already eta sometime next year

[visual harness]

eh, I say they take the time they need, I'm not in a rush

[mortal ginkgo]

1.2 is tomorrow btw.

[ivory condor]

[shrewd palm]

is it coming with the console launch? or just the early access?

[ornate saffron]

consol release is tuesday

[mortal ginkgo]

consol release tomorrow

[grim trellis]

Me either I just check back periodically.

[ivory condor]

i didnt know satisfactory was going back to early access

[ornate saffron]

Nov 4th which ever day that is lol

[stone python]

it's tuesday

[mortal ginkgo]

tomorrow

[zenith pecan]

Sorry about the epic slow response, I went overboard with production to avoid the need to revisit it down the line 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

Depends where you are I guess. For me it’s two days

[ivory condor]

i better go spread the good news, satisfactory now in eternal early access

[mortal ginkgo]

Half Life 3 is releasing tomorrow too btw you can trust me.

[shrewd hearth]

https://tenor.com/YjqL.gif

[mortal ginkgo]

i mean, didnt it have the longest EA peried so far?

[wicked nacelle]

No?

[mortal ginkgo]

No?

[wicked nacelle]

It was quite reasonable for an open world game by a small team

[mortal ginkgo]

5 years ah. Fair enough.

[ornate saffron]

7 days to diue was much longer then satis factory for early access

[mortal ginkgo]

7 Years to EA 😭😭😭😭😭

[fervent dust]

hi friends, what does it mean when the pipeline pump's head lift exceeds the recommended level?

[wicked nacelle]

And they could have just called it done after beta 8 anyhow.

[wicked nacelle]

You need another pump after that one

Watch the blue animation that goes along the pipe and put another pump right before where it ends

[fleet wadi]

Is it just me that remembers the MAM in the hub office

[fervent dust]

HEY who facepalmed me

[wicked nacelle]

I did

[fervent dust]

ok

thanks for explaining it to a new player

[stone python]

the question answered itself though, which is why they facepalmed you

[dim cradle]

Okay so the only way to follow the truck around while it is stand on it... Yeah it looks like I messed up how to use this auto pathing. If it misses any of the arrows that are in the air from my dune jumping, it'll sit there and try to hover around that arrow till it despawns into it, which coincidentally has flung me across the map a ways....

[fervent dust]

if the question answered itself, i wouldn't have asked it! the phrasing confused me.

[stone python]

in any context ever, what does exceeds recomended level mean

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean such logic to someone who never worked on pipe stuff can be alien.

It makes sense to you, but not to others.

Brain refuses to brain in such moments.

[stone python]

it is extremly basic, exceeds recomended level is universal

[fervent dust]

i tried using two pumps before. it still said exceeded recommended level. what do you want?

[stone python]

you need to space them apart

it tells you how much headlift they generate

[fervent dust]

:0 then say sooooo!

[wicked nacelle]

Pumps don’t add. Each pump sets the level to whatever that pump does. So you put the next one that much further above the prior one

[ivory condor]

shouldnt it be obvious?

[stone python]

it is

[wicked nacelle]

I don’t think it’s super obvious no

[fervent dust]

i didn't, that's why i asked?

[mortal ginkgo]

You dont get it. Concept is alien. Brain isnt braining.

Its like you know how to push a button. But for someone who never heard of pushing a button ever, concept is confusing.

Guys cmon. Be nice.

[stone python]

the only thing that might not be obvious is it resets headlift at the pump

but the game tells you how much headlift they generatew

[fervent dust]

wow, what a crazy concept, just troubleshooting a given problem effectively with simple questions!

i didn't know the solution, i asked for help. thanks.

[wicked nacelle]

You’re fine. Don’t worry about it 🙂

[dim cradle]

Guys come on, there's no reason to turn this into a big tiff

[wicked nacelle]

Someone always is grumpy here. Often it’s me 🙂

[ivory condor]

what how is exceeds recommended level confusing, thats fairly straight forward isnt it, though I guess I can understand not knowing you have to space the pumps apart, because headlift isnt added together that one

maybe i just take that understanding for granted, just because I know that hmmmm

[gray jungle]

mmmmmm optimizations

[dim cradle]

Well despite me messing up this truck route it kind of works somehow lol

It's made multiple trips now

[stone python]

those are the best kind of routes

[dim cradle]

I hope it kills a lot of aliens on its route 🫡

[fervent dust]

i said the phrasing confused me, so here's a thought: rephrase it to something much more comprehensive, such as 'elevation exceeds pump's capacity'

[mortal ginkgo]

Just for your information, you are not doing it wrong by asking such questions.

This community has the habit of going "Elden Ring Community" mode when it comes to pipes. Otherwise it is extremely nice and helpful bunch.

I think there might be a hidden cult about pipes but cant confirm yet.

[gray jungle]

1 mk.2 miner into 4 smelters into 16 constuctors in 4 assemblers

[stone python]

nad nothing to do with pipes, the pumps description litterally tells you "maximum headlift: 20m" then proceeds to tell you that pump headlift doesnt stack, so space is recomended.

[sturdy mural]

||dont tell this guy about mk3 miners||

[dim cradle]

Y'know maybe trucks ain't that bad...

[gray jungle]

IM NOT READDDYYYY 😭

[ivory condor]

I don't know I hate pipes personally, especially mk2 pipes, i hate those alot

[stone python]

but they look so good 🙁

[gray jungle]

When I get mk 3 miners, I'm gonna have to redo my base AGAIN

[ornate saffron]

mk6 conveyors

[ivory condor]

too bad they are bullshit to work with

[fervent dust]

my sibling in christ

[gray jungle]

All I want is an abunbant amount of reinforced plates

[stone python]

time to automate and use all the iron in the desert

[gray jungle]

saitisfactory modeler is taking a long time to calculate numbers....

[dim cradle]

Actually this is kind of fun, I might do more truck routes

[stone python]

[mortal ginkgo]

for some people its not obvious. you would be surprised how many people doesnt know the meaning of headlift.

just answer the question if you want to help, rest is just going Elden Ring mode.

[mortal ginkgo]

make them jump from 4m ramps going down. its fun to see them do that too

[ornate saffron]

IDK why but the amount of stuff you need to automate iodine filters angers me

[dim cradle]

except that part where it humps up into the air twice trying to match my air superiority near the truck station causing a delay of like 30 seconds

[wicked nacelle]

There should be an end game electrically powered radiation shield

[stone python]

disagree, ill "help" how i see fit, k thanks.

[stone python]

is it bad i just buy them and refuse to automate them 🤣

[cunning siren]

Ahhhhh, depot... feels so good

[mortal ginkgo]

ah yes, seeing it fill up concrete slower than your grandpa.

[cunning siren]

And still worth it

[mortal ginkgo]

can I disagree?

jk. it is fine.

[wicked nacelle]

Sure but you’re wrong

[mortal ginkgo]

Why you doing me like this brotherman.

[dim cradle]

Can trucks collide during the route?

[stone python]

yes

[mortal ginkgo]

yes.

[stone python]

and it is funny to watch

[wicked nacelle]

Not if you don’t use them

Trucks are only good for one thing. Getting the achievement

[dim cradle]

Do they kind of just eventually settle themselves?

[mortal ginkgo]

there is a mod for that but they try their best to respect each other.

deadlock happens if they smooch.

[stone python]

you have to reset them if they crash

[mortal ginkgo]

But you are wrong.

[stone python]

i need a satisfactory truck smooch emote now

[mortal ginkgo]

if something bad happens they reset to previous waypoint and continue.

However if 2 vehicles smooch, you get a "Deadlock" warning on map and that doesnt resolve itself.

[wicked nacelle]

Not according to my saves

[mortal ginkgo]

this mostly happens when 2 bois just go straight for each other. otherwise they try their best to make way.

[stone python]

jfc, i read saves as slaves at first and i nearly fell out of my chair LOL

[mortal ginkgo]

Your saves are wrong then. I love my wobbly tractors going around and working efficiently.

1.1 has a bug that makes them stop out of nowhere when save is first loaded, but easy to fix to make a small route and delete it with a cart.

other wise they are perfect to use on natural land as well.

[sturdy mural]

lmao
||wiat till you get mk4 then||

ngl i wish there was a way to reduce the delay between holding reload and getting the ammo menu

[dim cradle]

My main issue with the desert is there's all this garbage you can just get stuck on

and the dunes make it easy to jump but the AI doesn't jump as well

[sturdy mural]

garbage?

[dim cradle]

Yeah it has very low ground clearance so all of these white balls and stuff on the ground

or sometimes these tiny invisible trees

[cunning siren]

I got lucky with some crash sites, got all the plast computers and circuit boards the MAM needed for the good stuff

[sturdy mural]

1 word
pulse nobelisk

[cunning siren]

Bout to skip coal gens again 😆

[dim cradle]

I mean sure but do they stay gone in its route afterwards

[zenith pecan]

I still have my coal plant in place and working, it should have been dismantled months ago🤣

[sturdy mural]

unless they're the food things then yeah

[gray jungle]

[dense violet]

just over flow from the miner and make new sections

or extend the manifolds you've already got if you have space

[gray jungle]

My problem is the lack of space atm

I'm using a blueprint setup to make placing this stuff easier and quicker

[dense violet]

unless you're in a cave - multiple floors

and if you're in a cave, don't be in a cave 😛

[gray jungle]

True that, I'm actually working on a second floor rn

[dim cradle]

Why you never wanted to play Batman in this

what a weirdo

[dense violet]

I suspect batman spent a lot more time outside caves than in. Really shouldn't stereotype people

[dim cradle]

He still had a bat cave

if you don't have one of those what are you even doing

[dense violet]

not being a billionaire that goes around beating up poor people 😛

[dim cradle]

I didn't know we were going into demographics

I want to make a second truck route but... I don't think I can do this without them crashing, clearing out another path would just take too long