satisfactory

[sturdy mural]

building wise

[shrewd palm]

just buy them from the shop ngl

[sturdy mural]

also computers for signals

[placid stirrup]

They changed train associated costs, I might have been thinking about pre change

[crisp jetty]

getting out of phase 3 will be my greatest accomplishment thus far in my 17 years of life

[shrewd palm]

you will want to automate them by phase 4 tho

[shrewd palm]

wait until you see phase 4

its like everything in phase 3 but cranked up to 11

[crisp jetty]

i wanna make a factory like that dude imkibits

[shrewd palm]

just dont fumble as hard as he does

i think the pipe crimes have finally caught up to him

[crisp jetty]

i hate pipes

[sturdy mural]

what crimes

[shrewd palm]

building them wrong

[sturdy mural]

aka?

[sterile blade]

He made pipes clip with stuff more than once

[shrewd palm]

i think his most recent build he thought he was building them right but it turns out he wasnt

[sturdy mural]

ouh?

[reef basin]

not recommended

[shrewd palm]

but that was mostly a result of bottom feeding i think

[whole drum]

You have to build them like Josh from LGIO

[sturdy mural]

guys is the sin of making pipes clip acceptable if it goes through foundations after you put a floor hole to it?

[shrewd palm]

yes

[whole drum]

A lot of people say not to use floor holes, but they usually work for me

[reef basin]

why not use the floor hole directly?

[reef basin]

that was two major versions back

[sturdy mural]

wdym

[shrewd palm]

its just pre 1.0 ptsd, they should work fine now

[crisp jetty]

one day im gonna be in ripleys believe it or not for tuffest satisfactory player

[azure reef]

what alt recipes do you guys recommend for radio control units? (literally everything from the ingots at the start of the production line)

[whole drum]

They usually do, lol. I still have issues with them occasionally.

Pipes be like that in general

[sturdy mural]

tuff as in the volanic ash rock

[crisp jetty]

nah like cool

im gonna be the coolest satisfactory player

[sturdy mural]

tuff as in the weird stone thing near iron veins in minecraft

[crisp jetty]

oh yeah

minecraft

[sick falcon]

where do you guys like to build your aluminum refinery

[whole drum]

So, when I set up my oil, I used to run each of the refineries' liquids through floor holes to keep it clean-looking and avoid obstruction with belt inputs/outputs, but I found a vertical solution that works nicer and doesn't require floor holes

[zenith pecan]

Mine is on the east coast, at the southern end of the dune desert (not recommended if you don't use tunnels)

[sick falcon]

tunnels?

[cunning siren]

Default works for me 🤷

[azure reef]

the entire production line?

[cunning siren]

OH wait

You are talking like, a build only for those?

[crisp jetty]

i wish i was smarter so i could beat thisg ame quicker

[azure reef]

yeah

[cunning siren]

IDK I don't play this game like that

[zenith pecan]

As in under the map, actual tunnels #satisfactory-experimental message

[azure reef]

how else are you meant to play it lol

[cunning siren]

It's a game so...

You can jump up and down if that's what does it for you

[undone kestrel]

Not everyone builds direct production lines for everything

A lot of people mass produce ingots for example and send them wherever needed

[whole drum]

#screenshots message

[azure reef]

i've never thought about doing that

[undone kestrel]

It’s not how I play personally but I can see the appeal of it

[dim cradle]

mass producing ingots and just splitting the product across whatever is the simplest way to go

[azure reef]

i've seen huge factories that make everything as a whole

i just can't do it like that

[reef basin]

usually not recommended, but obviously you can play however you want

[azure reef]

i just find it easier bringing the factory to the nodes and having dimensional depots

[dim cradle]

no dimensional logistics unfortunately lol

[mystic oriole]

I like to mix it up, having both mega factories and modular factories.

[azure reef]

i orignally used a huge storage room with everything in it with belts leading into it because i had no idea how dimensional depot worked

[reef basin]

well, "megafactory" means "all production in one place", so kinda impossible to mix it up 🙂

[bronze hollow]

I like trains too much, so I tend to build large mega factories as an excuse to move lots of items by rail

[crisp jetty]

i like turtles

[azure reef]

i just tried using a train for the first time since i didnt want to have a belt halfway across the map but it pretty much just made it harder for myself since the factory was so low down compared to the node

[mystic oriole]

meaning I play differently each save.

[azure reef]

node was at like 200m height and factory was at like 20

[plucky flower]

Or its meant as large factory with lots of production at one place

[whole drum]

In the early phases I just try to automate and DD the stuff I need to build things. I just build these wherever the resources are present. In the later game, you want to set up logistical support in the form of trains/drones to pre-fab intermediate components and send them to an assembly area for constructing the advanced stuff. This is mostly because the untapped resources eventually become pretty far from each other if you're still trying to belt it everywhere.

[wicked nacelle]

greeny is very strict that other people share his definitions of terms

[reef basin]

no, I'm annoyed that youtubers misuse the terms that the community has been using for years

[plucky flower]

Greeney

[whole drum]

Probably because not everyone shares that definition

[plucky flower]

One question. How did you become english-pirate translater

[whole drum]

"Mega" is a size descriptor--not function

[reef basin]

not here tho

[whole drum]

And not all content creators are here

[dim cradle]

Describing a mega factory as necessitating that everything be produced there seems odd to me but w/e

[whole drum]

So they follow the common understanding of the language

[mystic oriole]

I can agree that a megafactory is everything at one place and a modular factory produces one or more items.
I play differently each save. I like to switch it up.

[plucky flower]

Greeny is an pirate and I cant unsee it now

How did you achieve the pirate english translation

[reef basin]

why do we need a word for "big factory"?

[plucky flower]

Did you study the pirates dude

[native tapir]

Sometimes! Usually people send me screenshots.

Right now I am pretty deep into the factory cart tower. How are you doing?

[whole drum]

Because sometimes "big" doesn't mean "BIG"

[dim cradle]

because usually mega is larger than big

[reef basin]

then use "gigafactory"

[dim cradle]

giga is larger than mega lol

[whole drum]

And what's to stop people from defining that in the same way?

[dim cradle]

next we'll be at terafactory

[reef basin]

why define a term that's already defined? it'll just confuse people

[dim cradle]

I'd just use omnifactory if it produces literally everything in the save

[plucky flower]

Bc not everyone agrees to community terms

[whole drum]

It's only defined within a confined community--not everyone that plays

[dim cradle]

but w/e

[whole drum]

But you can always make a Youtube video to correct them if you really want people to accept this definition more

Even a short would probably be enough

[plucky flower]

Mega is the word for very big in english. Very mega would be gigafactory.

I cant stand the term megafactory because the english translation is not correct

[mighty kayak]

How do you handle frame walls? Do you normally build them internal to the foundation border or external? Internal seems logical but then foundation sinks into the walls -- I'm fine with this but just trying to get it right before making these blueprints

[dim cradle]

so wouldn't omni be the correct prefix if it produces everything?

[plucky flower]

Yes

Or super or ginormous

[dim cradle]

at that point it's not about the size of the factory it's about the fact that it makes everything and nothing else is made anywhere else

[plucky flower]

Super big quantities. Super big

[whole drum]

I think "omni" encapsulates this concept better

[mystic oriole]

I really wanted to place a 'yo mama' joke in here somewhere but I don't think it would fit.

[plucky flower]

Yes omni means everything but there is an gradation in sizes that eventually lead to the same meaning as omni since there is limited nodes

[whole drum]

All the times I've ever heard people talk about "megafactories," I never assumed it had anything to do with making everything in one place

[plucky flower]

Me neither. Stupid term and ikl get hated for it and im okay with rhat

[shrewd palm]

ive always thought of a megafactory as a factory thats mega

[whole drum]

"Omni" carries that connotation a little more implicitly

[shrewd palm]

like it doesnt have to produce everything or even that many items it just has to be really big

[plucky flower]

Megafactory is a bad term for evergthing as its one of the least big terms

[dim cradle]

I think you mean explicitly but yeah

[whole drum]

No, I mean it implies it

[plucky flower]

Thats what we all think but its not

It has to produce almost anything

[whole drum]

I got it

We'll call them the "more gooder factories"

[shrewd palm]

the definition for mega is just extremely large so why would it be anything else

[dim cradle]

goodiest biggiest factoriest

[shrewd palm]

producing everything for one item or producing lots of different items would eventually fall in to the category of "a really large factory" but i dont think i'd use those to define a megafactory

[plucky flower]

really large is big. Really big is mega

A factory is fairly snare considered to be really large due to exterior and looks. So it doesnt take much till you have the english term mega for your factory but community decides no its not a really big factory nor a megafactory its a giga. Which is the really mega. Community doesnt make sense. Satisfactory doesnt make sense

[shrewd palm]

i think its just english that doesnt make sense

[plucky flower]

No English is the one making sens3

The community term is too small to be english acceptable

Gigafactory should be the one that means everything at one place or omni according to English

[whole drum]

Conflating size for function is human error--not that of the language itself

[plucky flower]

size has a big overlap with function

[whole drum]

It can, but doesn't always

You can make an extremely large (surface area) factory that only processes oil into some type of fuel

[plucky flower]

Yeah the game doesnt always but work at most times it does. Thats an stupid point

[plucky flower]

Wouldnt be really big as function neither

Im not saying only size but also function

[whole drum]

If you were piping all of the oil on the map to one area and processing it there, it would definitely be very large

[plucky flower]

True. Function too

[whole drum]

The function would be relatively small in scope. Turn oil into fuel. Burn fuel in generators.

Out of the hundreds (thousands?) of things you can do in the game, that's very narrow in scope.

[plucky flower]

Your processing all oil. Thats not a small number and you can use it for so many things

[whole drum]

You can. I'm just giving an example.

[plucky flower]

Yes but your example is not correct

[whole drum]

I'm only saying that the term itself tells you nothing about the function.

[plucky flower]

Processing all oil is the function

And its huge. If you dont think so I dont know what is huge

[whole drum]

But calling that a "megafactory" due to its size doesn't discern it from another factory that sets up 100 nuke plants and all the requisite materials for them--but both would be called that.

[plucky flower]

You get the point

[whole drum]

It only describes them as large

Says nothing of function

[plucky flower]

Not large. Very big

[plucky flower]

It indirectly does

[whole drum]

I'm not arguing the scale of large here

That's all relative

[plucky flower]

Then use it

[shy mulch]

1000k factory

[whole drum]

It only tells you it serves a function--not about what that function is

[plucky flower]

But seriously. If we look at an factory and see it can be 100x as compact would we use the term megafactory or big favtory. No we dont. zbecause we have brains

[whole drum]

There's really nothing stopping anyone from doing that tho

[plucky flower]

Deconstructing your own arguments. Most original atleast

[whole drum]

Especially if they filled the empty space with decorative stuff

[whole drum]

I don't think you understand if this is your take on it

[plucky flower]

Yes but community will see and say its not a big factory. You could have dexpanded it tons

[plucky flower]

Your contradicting yourself

[whole drum]

I'm not

You're just not understanding

[plucky flower]

Take a sleep over it or a good rest. Ill stop it here before escalation

[whole drum]

"Mega" only describes size. The function is separate.

It's very simple.

[sturdy mural]

why
#screenshots message

[sick falcon]

why is there just a big hole into the abyss in the middle of the map

[shy mulch]

Why not

[ornate saffron]

no clue but its a cool building location and allows you to get under the map and build there

[sturdy mural]

so you can play basketball with a hog

[sick falcon]

is diluted fuel a good recipe

[untold moat]

someone give me an interesting design constraing for my new run

[untold moat]

yes

[reef basin]

it's more complicated but makes more fuel

[untold moat]

well, let me walk that back a bit

[wicked nacelle]

Yes, it's one of the 4 essentially required oil alts

[reef basin]

only build machines on odd-numbered foundations

[wicked nacelle]

along with heavy oil residue, recycled plastic and recycled rubber

it's a massive multiplier on what you can do with the oil on the map for the low low cost of water

[untold moat]

diluted fuel is one of the most popular oil alt recipes; and can be used to min-max your fuel/TF/RF/IF production, however to fully utilize it, you should also have at least the HOR alt recipe

[sick falcon]

why are recycled plastic and rubber good?

[sick falcon]

whats hor

[reef basin]

they essentially convert fuel into plastic or rubber 1:1

[untold moat]

turns one into a lot more of the other for the low cost of fuel.

[untold moat]

Heavy Oil Residue

[sick falcon]

so basically you make rubber by making plastic and hor, turning the hor into fuel, and then turning the fuel and plastic into rubber?

[wicked nacelle]

Because you get way more plastic and rubber per unit of oil

[untold moat]

essentially. lemme get the ratios

[reef basin]

no, you make HOR directly

[dense violet]

oil > HOR > fuel > recycled plastic/rubber

[wicked nacelle]

the amount of oil on the map really feels like it's balanced around you using this alt chain. everything else in the game... not as much but oil for sure

and doing fuel power without HOR/diluted (packaged) fuel is painful, too, as you leave mid game

[sick falcon]

thats why im asking, i have a ways to go until nuclear and my power grid is already struggling

[wicked nacelle]

it's worth finding 1200 oil/m and turning that all into HOR/diluted fuel/fuel generators, IMO

[sick falcon]

so i make the plastic/rubber out of the polymer resin?

[lusty trail]

Hey, I recently lost all my blueprints, as my ssd broke and I cant recover them from the old drive. However when I load into my world, press f, look at the pasted blueprints and have blueprint mode enabled, it still highlights me the whole blueprint. Is there any way to save these blueprints pasted into the world into blueprint files for reuse? I dont care if I gotta use mods, cheats, external tools, I just need these blueprints back somehow. Any help would be really appreciated, thanks.

[sick falcon]

why 1200

[wicked nacelle]

you bootstrap the system with that but then later you just use the output of one to the input of the other -- and it is self sustaining -- you just put a smart splitter at the end and the overflow is your "profit"

[wicked nacelle]

it's just a nice even number of 2 full pipes worth 🙂 - as you unlock denser fuel types, that 1200 oil will scale up massively your power as you go into turbo fuel then rocket fuel later game

[untold moat]

Normally, rubber recipe is 60 crude > 40 rubber and 40 HOR. with alts; you get this:
60 crude > 80 HOR + 40 p. resin
80 HOR + 160 Water > 160 Fuel
40 Resin + 40 water > 20 rubber
20 rubber + 20 fuel (140 fuel remains)> 40 plastic
40 plastic + 40 fuel (100 remains) > 80 rubber
33 rubber + 33 fuel (50 remains > 66 plastic (67 rubber spare)
66 plastic + 66 fuel > 132 rubber (in actuallity, total is aroudn 200 rubber)

[unkempt epoch]

are vertical splitters horrifically bugged or something, im having nothing but issues with them

[untold moat]

2 pure nodes essentially

[wicked nacelle]

only problem I have is when you build a lift off of one the snap points are off by 1/2 a snap point so you have to do it twice to get them back on "good" snap points

but no, haven't had any bugs just that annoyance

[unkempt epoch]

materials arent going through em

[wicked nacelle]

with NORMAL ones there's a bug if you build them on the seam of two belts.. but that's not really a thing for lifts

[unkempt epoch]

ived @'ed u in math and meta where i can send photos

[reef basin]

you make them from the fuel

[dense violet]

you dont need 1200, just make a plan for how much plastic / rubber you need and find that much oil

[dense violet]

nope

[sick falcon]

is the aluminum that doesnt take quartz better?

[reef basin]

that depends how you define better

[wicked nacelle]

depends what you want to optimize for

[reef basin]

do you want less aluminum but no need for quartz?

[wicked nacelle]

if you want to optimize for bauxite, then no. if you want to optimize for quartz then yes

but you're going to want pure aluminum recipe for sure... just for overflow beyond how much quartz you may have.

It’s a great alt for simplifying early aluminum production or just using overflow scrap

[rustic quest]

It's a nice simplification yeah

[dense violet]

the trade is simplification for a bit less output.

decide if that's 'good' for you

the beautiful part of this game is that 'better' is up to you

[cunning siren]

Used Turbo Electric Motor this run, I like it 🤔

[visual harness]

So I have now found out that I barely have any power production outside of the fuel generators I have lmao #screenshots message
Not sure if I should try to diversify after the rebuild of rocket fuel, or if it's just fine as is

[dense violet]

it's a fine recipe? I prefer pressure - not much use for Nitrogen and it's easy to source at that point

[hard ivy]

It's my favourite. Pretty cheap and uses very few unique components, especially if you combine it with other alts

[cunning siren]

I went on an underclocking "spree" this run, stayed super lazy with power, was kind of a fun twist

[lament niche]

you didn't underclock everything

[cunning siren]

No, not everything

[lament niche]

now do a everything at 1% challenge. including powerplants

[cunning siren]

pass

[lament niche]

BECAUSE I'M RIGHT

[sick falcon]

who made the gas spider and can they be held accountable for my trauma counseling

[visual harness]

Which recipe would you recommend for the radio control unit in that case?
Trying to figure out which one is easier to scale for stuff down the line

[hearty hollow]

so guys im taking ap chemistry and i noticed the similarities between stoichiometry and measuring the items per minute needed for a part

[sturdy mural]

fr

[sturdy mural]

make a mod that resource nodes produce 1% of the speed

so instead of 1200 ore/m max w/ MK3 full OC miner on a pure node its 12 ore/m

and THEN do it

[cunning siren]

I also stayed away from plastic and rubber as much as possible this run, was nice not having to upgrade the build ever 😆

[sturdy mural]

guys did you know that you are wasting time expanding and building factories
and you can beat the game by just hand mining things and crafting them into space parts w/ an assembler because they don't let you do it by hand for some reason smh

(For legal reasons this is an attempt at comedy which you may look at during your allowed break)

[sick falcon]

#screenshots message how do i break these

nobelisks and chainsaws dont seem to

[rustic quest]

Not everything can be destroyed, you can use a mod however

I used Object Deleter to remove one of the fungus plants when I was building my coal power plant because it was one where the chainsaw didn't work and was really in the way of literally the last generator

[versed mesa]

👋

[nimble surge]

Odd question, is there a way to share ideas to the devs?

[sick falcon]

that seems like a really stupid oversight in a game where you’re supposed to tear down nature

[hard ivy]

Honestly, all 3 recipes are basically the same to me. Very similar crafting trees, especially considering the recipes I usually choose for their ingredients. I just choose whichever one doesn't require me to gather resources from far away. Which usually means default or system, but connection uses the least bauxite so it's occasionally useful too

[sick falcon]

yea ping them all a bunch they’ll love that

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @hard ivy

[sick falcon]

wish it used no bauxite 😔

[dense violet]

why are you making up shit about tearing up nature?

that's your own imposed view point

[sick falcon]

wait can you not play the game offline?

[hard ivy]

You can

[bronze atlas]

if you go to a constructed blueprint and go to deconstruct mode like you said, if you press middle mouse button to "pick up" the blueprint, does that work?

If it does, build a blueprinter nearby, middle mouse the bluerpint, and paste it into the blueprinter and save it the normal way.

Best idea i have. If it doesnt pick up the blueprint you may be SOL.

[lusty trail]

No it doesnt as I would need my original save files for that, not the cloud ones I got right now. Since I got all my blueprints pasted in the world tho I figured out that I can use a combination of the quick blueprint mod which lets me save everything I have selected with deconstruct and ctrl to a blueprint and the infinite deconstruct mod which allows me to select like a million parts to just manually select every part of my pasted blueprint and then save that to a blueprint file. And if I miss something I can just load the file into the designer and correct "scanning" mistakes by hand. Thank you for your suggestion and help tho. I really appreciate it 🙏🙏🙏

A bit tedious but still way faster than to reconstruct everything manually by hand with only screenshots as reference 😀

[bronze atlas]

yeah i wasnt sure if it would let you "pick up" a blue print the way vanilla does when you have the blueprints saved. glad you figured it out though

[primal obsidian]

i am a new player and i was wondering if i should make a base

or just have everything on the floor like it is currently

[sick falcon]

make a base asap

[primal obsidian]

how big

[dense violet]

use foundations, if that's what you're asking

however big you like. You're in the learning stage, it'll change and grow and you'll have different needs

The most important thing about this game is there no single one way to do any particular thing

[untold moat]

also remember that you don't need to worry about running out of resources until late in the game. there are TONS of resources available for you to use

[dense violet]

^^^ infinite continuous production. And more resources on the map than your compure can process

[untold moat]

i think someone made a cluster that worked fine, up until unreal engine crashed due to the engine's limitations

[dense violet]

define 'fine' and 'cluster' here, because even the best computers, pre 1.0 trying to bring all the worl'ds resources to end tier production had, at best, frames per minute

and now the game as like +50% more resources pm on the map

and extra tiers

[untold moat]

last i heard was while it was in prerelease. and by clusters i mean a VM that was functioning using multiple computers

[dense violet]

vm?

virtual machine?

in that case I would describe that as not the usual or expected situation people are in that they'd be running it across multiple rigs

[quick barn]

This Nov 4th console release date... Is that US or Swedish time?

Hoping sweedish. I'm taking the day off work 😎

[sick falcon]

is there a way to make like a priority merger for pipes

[dense violet]

technically? yes but they aren't super reliable

[sick falcon]

so my water byproduct feeds back into my bauxite refiners before new water is introduced

[dense violet]

just keep the fresh and waste split

[sick falcon]

what do i do with the waste then

[dense violet]

pinged in other channel

[charred sandal]

#screenshots message

1 out of 4 of my pipes wont work, and I cant figure out why....

Ive rebuilt it twice to make sure its all connected. Nothing gets past the pump.

[bronze atlas]

pump is powered right?

[charred sandal]

yea

[bronze atlas]

does the headlift before the pumps reach where you placed your pumps at? like is the liquid maybe stopping slightly before your pump?

also - is the pipe before your pump full?

[charred sandal]

The pipe before the pump is slothing.

Its 40m tall, and there are pumps higher then it working fine

[bronze atlas]

if the pipe before the pump is not full then thats most likely why based on what ive seen

[charred sandal]

I tried adding an extra pump half way down and it didnt help. i dont get it

[dense violet]

fine the last full full section of pipe you got, put a pump on that. It'll probably work.

also rebuild pipes when you put pumps directly on them

[charred sandal]

Okay its not the vertical

theres no water going from the extractors into the pipes for some reason

Like theyre full but the waters just not leaving

#screenshots message Extractors full, pipes empty

[dense violet]

this is basically teh worst channel to trouble shoot anything because you have to constantly be going back and forth for images. try #math-and-meta

[crisp jetty]

Holdy moldy this game is fun

[hollow hemlock]

Boil it off with a coal power generator 😁

[mighty canopy]

What happens when you destroy a storage container full of stuff, but have no room in your inventory? What happens to the stuff that was in the storage building?

[bronze atlas]

left in a "deconstuction crate" on the ground

[hollow hemlock]

Lands on the floor in a crate

[mighty canopy]

ok thats what i thought, couldnt find any for a minute but i finally found one, but i should have a bunch more

[bronze atlas]

they will be marked on your map

should help you find them

[hollow hemlock]

It could be merging stuff into a nearby one too

[mortal ginkgo]

there is a bug that sometimes the stuff that drops can combine into another crate regardless of distance

so you might have your stuff 5km away etc in another crate

[drowsy meteor]

how do i put blueprints i found online on to omy satisfactory

[bronze atlas]

you have to open your save game directory and put it into the blueprints folder which i think is inside your save game "name" similar to any of your own that you've saved

[drowsy meteor]

thank you

[bronze atlas]

note though i havent actually done it myself this is just what ive seen said here, may be some details im unaware of

[restive agate]

can someone help me with my load balance. my problem is idk how to properly distribute my iron (1440/min) over my smelters (~48) since my belts can only hold 480/min

i made a manifold blueprint for smelters so each block is 12 smelters before the next block

maybe smart splitters can help me out here i just dont know the best way to go about it because i dont want a machine not to work since it relies only on overflow if that makes sense

[dense violet]

you're aware that overflow manifolds are still 100% efficient right?

[restive agate]

im just worried it may cause problems due to the scale of the factory

[dense violet]

manifolds work in every situation and the larger the scale the more time/effort/space you save using them

now if you still want to use load balancers that's fine too - just wanted you to be aware

[restive agate]

load balance the manifold 😭

[dense violet]

in your case you have 12 machines to feed per line
which is good as feeding a number of machines is divisible by 2 and or 3 is a lot easier

so split a line into 3, then split line into 2 for 6 lines, split the 6 lines into 2 each for 12 lines

done

[restive agate]

#screenshots message this is the situation

i can do a simple manifold

cant

[dense violet]

I don't see why not

[untold moat]

Looks to me like you can, can you explain why you can't?

[versed mesa]

Yous mite want to put a Callender notification on for next Tuesday for the release of Satisfactory on consoles less than 1 weeks now

Will drop 2pm Swedish time

[restive agate]

maybe im over complicating it but could you explain how i could

[dense violet]

feed 1 belt between the 12 machine inputs
that's it

[untold moat]

!wikisearch manifold

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[zealous mesa]

I love manifolds

[restive agate]

and the just keep sending the overflow to the next set on manifolds?

[dense violet]

no? just make a group of machines that uses everythign on the belt

or however many you need

[versed mesa]

So experimental is about to drop to public branch

[dense violet]

you need 16 machines (or 1600% total clocking) to process a 480 line at 30 ore pm each

[untold moat]

Correct. Granted belts can only output so much, so you have to inject more every so often

[dense violet]

^^^ should really avoid linking up multiple manifolds

[bronze atlas]

basically if your belt is full carrying 480 items/m then you want the machines that it supplies to use up 480 items/m

then just have a seperate supply belt/branch until it uses up all that 1400 or whatever number you said.

[restive agate]

yeah the easiest way i could of did this was to make it 16 smelters per line

[dense violet]

or overclock a few

[restive agate]

i wasnt thinking about it at the time so i made my blueprints only 12

[dense violet]

all part of the learning and planning process 🙂 you'll get there

[bronze atlas]

i usually make mine tileable, and just use it multiple times until i get as many as i need

[dense violet]

you save yourself a lot of grief planning steps in tandem instead of individually

[spark sky]

Well, this is probably the most complicated building I've tried to make. Depending on how I do the roof, I may possibly need 3 blueprints. At least I have the first blueprint done, for the most part. #screenshots message

[dense violet]

are those bioburners?

[spark sky]

Yup.

[dense violet]

you know power storages can't get charged off bio burners right?

[spark sky]

Yup, they're going to be charged off of my geothermal generators.

And coal.

[dense violet]

so why the bio?

[spark sky]

Backup system, and to prove to myself that I can build all of this in this space.

Plus, it's somewhere to dump all the biomass I keep picking up.

[dense violet]

fair enough. You might as well just have more power storage though.
Bio burners are just... less good chemical batteries

[spark sky]

The bottom is solid biofuel manufacture.

And storage.

[white dawn]

Various of these require some unlocks, but FYI you can turn collected biomass into: Alien DNA, biomass (for building U-Jelly Pads), solid biofuel (for chainsaw), gas nobelisks, and Liquid Biofuel (great for jetpacks in Phase 3)

Personally I'd rather save my biomass for those purposes rather than spending time feeding burners when you've got better stuff available. :)

[bronze atlas]

i do the same with biofuel for my jetpack

[dense violet]

well the bio burners won't turn on until the power storage is empty, and I suspect the bio burners would NOT be able to keep up with the power drain if that's the case

[white dawn]

Yeah, I suppose that's true; even if you do set up the burners, you're not gonna be actually processing any of that bio material unless you're in an emergency situation anyway. So you could later just pick 'em up and start sending them towards those other production lines. :)

[dense violet]

so instant fuse blowing

[white dawn]

But yeah, if you've got power storages available and want power backup, those are probably far more worth your time

[dense violet]

power storage can output TONS of power if needed, afaik there's no upper limit to their dischage

bio burners are very limited in output

[white dawn]

(But also: of course, do whatever you like so long as you're having fun. Don't have to listen to us curmudgeons if you don't want to. :)

[spark sky]

Heh.

Well, I'm having fun, because I will have these blueprints for when/if I start a new game.

[dense violet]

sure 🙂

[spark sky]

I don't know if you saw it, but I built a nice little platform to put on top of the building, where I have a peaked glass roof skylight, so that I can place a radar tower on top and it's not floating and doesn't look like I'm going to break the windows. Hm, I couldn't find it so I pasted it from my personal server. #screenshots message

Just looking at it, I wish I could 3D Print it, that would be a cool stand for some nicknack or perhaps a lamp base.

Oh yeah, the elevator can go on it, too. #screenshots message

[quick barn]

Is that a global release time?

[versed mesa]

I believe it is yes

[quick barn]

Looking forward to dumping another few hundred hours from the couch

[versed mesa]

Mikael Just says release time 2pm Sweden time

[quick barn]

I admittedly haven't ever been much of a stream watcher

[versed mesa]

On Tuesday

[leaden turret]

only swedish people getting console release

[quick barn]

Yeah. That's 5am Tuesday my time.

[versed mesa]

They not lmao

[quick barn]

Took the day off

[versed mesa]

Rip

It means nothing tome because I dont own any of thise consoles but I do play using controller

💪

[versed mesa]

Awesome

[quick barn]

I'm hoping the console release is more refined than what I played of on controller on PC.

I played a bunch via steam link, but there were some rough edges.

[versed mesa]

@quick barn with console graphics am sure it will have its own quirks

[quick barn]

Ps5 pro and Series X will suprise ya.

[versed mesa]

Yeah

[rose saffron]

there's a wreck site by the southwestern waterfalls

I cleared this one already and removed all the debris, but whenever I'm in the area I can still see it loaded in

and it disappears whenever I get close to it

[quick barn]

Its a known issue
Annoys me too

I still put down signs instead because of it

[versed mesa]

Yeah theys happen to me just ignore them lol

[quick barn]

Big ol' checkmark

[versed mesa]

When i first noticed it i was wondering if it spawns again in same location soon as I get closer nothing is tobe seen lmfao

I see it on the beach also when am driving my train

I think its partly todo with rendering

The rendering still has the image of it still being there when so far away but soon as you get close enought the rendering will show nothing is there but it was just ghost crash sites lmfao

Its fits for this Halloween lol

[rose saffron]

at least it only happens with that one crash site for me

so it's not an issue, just a minor annoyance

[versed mesa]

Its a small issue lol

[versed mesa]

Lucky am sure you will see others that you already been to before

[sick falcon]

im so glad its not just me seeing those i swear i was going insane

how complicated is it to make a full train network instead of a bunch of trains going back and forth on their own track

[dense violet]

generally a full network you get to reuse parts you've aleady made

[frail sleet]

It's not super complicated, but you need to understand what a path signal does and you should probably have train stations forked off to the side of the main track.

Taking advantage of the ability for one lane of track to carry ~100,000m3/min is basically the one feature carrying trains as a transport method IMO. It means that you can re-use it over and over again without clogging the lane, sending trains down tracks that you've previously built as opposed to building an entirely fresh route from A to B.

[shy zenith]

Took me less than 4 hours to make a global train loop

If you want to scale up it’s necessary

[lone widget]

question with smart splitters. i notice if i set the output any undefined i got clogs but if i set it to any half my stuff goes by without diverting. any ideas ?

its a sushi belt with extra going to sink

[frail sleet]

use overflow

[lone widget]

overflow did not work but i cant remember why so be right back

[charred sandal]

There anything that tells you how long a train route takes or do I just need to time it myself

[frail sleet]

time, or add plentiful carts/trains

[dense violet]

feed the items to the machine by definining it, then over flow

any undefined doesn't work because you've defined something and it'll back up

[dense violet]

you'll also need to have a final over flow to a sink before it stabalises

also a curse on your house for a name you can't @ at

at least not easily

[lone widget]

overflow works just fine. i had many game problems the last week still some odd stuff but thank you. originally it was set to overflow but i changed it because it was being weird

[dense violet]

ok you said it didn't work before

[lone widget]

well it was dude for many many moons but discord added a number and i did not like that

yeah but my whole game has been weird and crashing my pc alot

right now my pants are bright bright yellow but they are set to normal and will not change

[dense violet]

weird. Mods?

[lone widget]

no mods

[dense violet]

could try to verify files? or just save/reload

[lone widget]

probably corrupt save. my pc was doing a hard shut down just from launching the game all week but im not trouble shooting anything as i got it running stable now

so thanks but im scared so no thanks

[dense violet]

could try a previous save file

[lone widget]

its ok. ill just have bright yellow pants from now on

besides smart splitters nothing much else was effected

[dense violet]

I mean sure, but I wouldn't want to keep going forward building everything with a possible corrupted save. Could easily get worse

[lone widget]

i game hard for days and then stop for months. i know me and im about a week from done

i love this game i like seeing what people create but im slow and not artistic maybe a little autistic but it does not help

[dense violet]

fair enough 🙂

[silk ocean]

The time approaches

The procrastination is ending....

The construction of alt-recipe Rubber factory nears

BUT FIRST

Another cup of coffee is in my near future

[lone widget]

zatie my game is running fine now

[silk ocean]

Great, what was the solution in the end?

[lone widget]

no idea. i unplugged it for a few min and upon starting back up no issues today

[silk ocean]

If in doubt power off and on xD

[lone widget]

turnd it off and on again ya know step one in trouble shooting

[whole drum]

Mem-leak, maybe?

[silk ocean]

Classic xD

Could be yea

[lone widget]

whats a mem-leak

explain it to a 5 year old

memory like ram ?

[silk ocean]

Objects don't get properly destroyed and slowly eat up more memory over time

[whole drum]

It's when the computer (or app) fails to manage temporary memory it no longer needs, so instead of clearing it to free up the resources, it hangs onto it until you don't have enough left for things to function properly.

[lone widget]

ah i do think it was memory related but i dont know about that as i was never using more than 19 gb with half of that being chrome

64gb system

[whole drum]

That's why sometimes it's the app doing it. Some apps are gated at the engine level.

[lone widget]

whatever the case flipping the switch for 30 seconds did nothng i had it unplugged for a good ten min

[silk ocean]

I haven't seen any evidence of leakage tbf

[frail sleet]

windows 11 has some issues with untracked memory usage which can be severe

but that shows as like.. your programs add up to using 12GB of memory, but it says 95% of 32GB used 😄

[whole drum]

It's hard to say, because there are so many things that can cause it--or the appearance of it. It's beyond my technical knowledge to go super into. I just know enough to know enough.

[lone widget]

anothers text (As Nvidia has very long power limit window, so the GPUs in 3000 and 4000 gen can do 300% power spikes compared to the TDP) and thats 1900w for my system we talked about psu related last night. i dont really have any clue what the issue was

[whole drum]

I wouldn't be at all surprised that Win11 could have those issues considering all the hidden background stuff it does with your resources.

[frail sleet]

That's taken care of by capacitors in the PSU. Unless it's not (mostly either old or bad units, they got beefed up a lot in the last 6 years)

That issue will trip overcurrent protection though and cause an instant power cut.

[lone widget]

we talked bout that and how furmark might not catch it

[silk ocean]

The internet loves to say that Chrome uses a lot of memory but it's a vastly complex and advanced piece of software, it's probably one of the most complex programs running on your PC above the operating system

[lone widget]

i was having that instant power off

[whole drum]

And it's a Google product, so I avoid using it unless it serves an explicit purpose.

[frail sleet]

other thing is that modern AMD CPU's cut power when they detect uncorrectable errors, to protect software/data. So errors in the cpu cores/cache/interconnect/RAM can lead to that

[dawn kelp]

Pls add a second backpack option so you can have both the hover pack and jet pack equipped at one time, can always make some simple way of switching between them. We have pocket dimensions but you cant figure out how to make a guy wear two things on his back? 6 hand slots, but one back slot?

[silk ocean]

Can always use the underlying project not the Googleized version, i.e. Chromium

[lone widget]

anyway just unplug it for several min it solved it

[whole drum]

I use Brave, which is based on that (to my knowledge)

[silk ocean]

Brave is Chromium yep

As is Edge

[lone widget]

i use chrome because im set in my ways

[whole drum]

Understandable

I just hate all the intrusive nonsense, so I switched to Linux to get away from Win11 and use Brave instead of Chrome.

Helps that these also use less resources

[lone widget]

also power of the paycheck i went from a ten year old laptop to a desktop my first build that can handle 100 chrome tabs

[dawn kelp]

I dont like how my searches sometimes go to a webpage, on a browser that is not my primary. Other then that, I like windows 11.

[silk ocean]

All these browsers, Edge, Brave, Chrome, Opera, Vivaldi, etc.. They are all Chromium based, just with their own added customizations, features, etc

[dawn kelp]

People love variety

[frail sleet]

still the same chrome vs firefox

but annoying, google deliberately causes memory leaks, massive cpu load and video interruptions for firefox users

[dawn kelp]

I use both

[frail sleet]

when viewing youtube etc

[silk ocean]

Firefox is a different codebase yea

[lone widget]

i tried ubunto, kali , pop and a few others the gui is much betterthan it use to be for sure i can see myself switching again one day but im not super moticated right now to learn

[magic trench]

😭?

[whole drum]

Youtube itself has been up to a lot of shenanigans, and if alternatives had a larger creator base, I would hard switch. It's just that the incentives aren't in place for the creators or the audience to do so.

[silk ocean]

Not sure if that's Google - if it's leaking it's the code that needs fixing

[frail sleet]

I guess leak is the wrong term, but they eat like 10GB of RAM on a few videos. If you change browser agent then it doesn't.

[lone widget]

speaking of youtube has it been weird for yall this month ? glichy one day now all my videos loo like they are stuttering at 20 fps

[magic trench]

never seen this happen, and i've used firefox for so many years

[dawn kelp]

I just have a ton of RAM, also fixes the problem

[silk ocean]

Interesting xD

[whole drum]

Yeah, they've been engaging in a lot of anti-competitive nonsense for some years now

[dawn kelp]

I hardly use more then 30% of my 64 gb

[whole drum]

I have 32gb and rarely go past 15

[dawn kelp]

I have alot of browser windows open

[lone widget]

thats right no such thing as overkill 64gb group

[whole drum]

My unofficial ADHD and OCD are constantly fighting that out

[dawn kelp]

My new dekstop has 48 for now, but I plan on making that 128 eventually 😛

[whole drum]

I like a clean desktop/browser environment, but it's sometimes useful to keep some tabs up

[lone widget]

how does the 48 gb work previously i had only seen 1,2,4,8,16,32,64 ect

[magic trench]

you're talking about the same company that advertised an adblocker on their video platform primarily monetized by ads. they're so disjointed that they can't even participate in anti-cooperative nonsense with competence 😭

[silk ocean]

There are 48GB kits 2x24's

[frail sleet]

https://files.catbox.moe/kkun2e.png

[dawn kelp]

I traditionally run three screens. Game on the main 32 inch recurve samsung HD, and chat and browser research on the saddled 24 inch recurve samsungs.

[lone widget]

yeah i had never seen a 24gb stick

[dawn kelp]

Me neither, but they exist now

[frail sleet]

they made 24gbit because 16>32 was taking too long

[silk ocean]

They exist yeah, quite easy to get a 48GB kit

[dawn kelp]

Two of them was closer to what I could afford then twin 32's

[whole drum]

Yeah, this is one of the games that will do it

[lone widget]

tvs are cheap now days i do 4k 60hz 65 in even had 2 at one point

[whole drum]

I mean, 32s are more than enough for most purposes currently

[edgy swift]

Where can I go to just stream satisfactory?

[dawn kelp]

These are 6 yr old monitors, but top of the line when I got them, not 4k, cus I didnt have a card for that back then, but they ARE HD

[edgy swift]

Is there anywhere I can go

[frail sleet]

I'l probably go 64-128GB with zen6

[frail sleet]

twitch.tv

[silk ocean]

My guess is 48GB kits have appeared to make it more affordable to get more than 32GB but for most gamers 64GB lets be honest is overkill at the moment, but 32GB might be getting a bit tight with some heavy Triple-A games and other software running at the same time. Just a guess

[dawn kelp]

True

[whole drum]

Twitch, Youtube, Rumble, Kick, and a few others I don't recall

[lone widget]

monitors are expensive i play mostly triple a games so i have never neede that higher hz

[frail sleet]

even if you just run satisfactory you can be paging out of 32GB with a big enough world 😄

[whole drum]

If you play AAA, you can get by on a CRT

[dawn kelp]

For me the main reason was it was a lil bit more affordable then the 64gb kit, which was 259 I think, and the twin 24's were only 199

[frail sleet]

but generally, they made 24gbit because it allows 50% more memory capacity than 16gbit.

Those 64GB kits that you're talking about are 2x32, dual-ranked 16gbit IC's. The equivelant with 24gbit IC's is 2x48, 96GB. It's a flat +50% mem capacity.

[lone widget]

i have one my ol magnavox got it new on the shelf when i got my N64

[magic trench]

yeah who needs a sharp picture quality anyway

[dawn kelp]

Those prices might be off, it was two months ago I built it, cant remember exactly

[lone widget]

whejn i build my pc i was hoping it would last ten years

[dawn kelp]

My last one lasted for 12

[lone widget]

my laptop was great for 6 years

[whole drum]

Mine usually last 7-9

[dawn kelp]

I keep them clean, give them clean power, and dont run them too hard, they last a decade for me easy, the one before the last lasted 10 years.

[whole drum]

When they design for 30fps, good question

[lone widget]

where to sell a 5070 ? i dont have any experiance selling and people low ball me daily

[dawn kelp]

5070 is what I just got

[lone widget]

my story will upset you then

[silk ocean]

There was that dude on reddit last week playing Battlefield 6 on his AIO screen xD

[lone widget]

someone hacked my newegg account paid for a 5070 and overnighted it to my address i lost zero money and new egg has not gotten back to me after 2 months

[dawn kelp]

Hmmm, sucks

[lone widget]

i had also gotten my kid a 5070 for his birthday he wanted 10,000 chickens in minecraft so i have an extra

[dawn kelp]

Wish I could help you out but I dont have room for another double card in my case sadly

[lone widget]

i asked 500 but people are coming at me with 425 and such ill hang it on the wall before i do that

[whole drum]

Well, there's lowball and then there's lowball. If it didn't cost you anything, selling it a little below market would be the easiest way to do it.

[dawn kelp]

Mine was only 449, so that's what I would offer you, what brand is it? That might affect price.

[warm pendant]

do i need to mass produce automated wiring and versatile frame works? im at complete phase 2 of the game

[lone widget]

msi 12gb card retail is 550 ish

[worthy cosmos]

do i want molded beams

[frail sleet]

indefinitely? no

[dawn kelp]

You will need them later for other parts Yozu, so I would rec yes, not TOO much mass, but more then you think you need, and stockpile that shit

[dense violet]

like all recipes, it can be useful 🙂

[dawn kelp]

I put down three storage containers for each line for all the products I need more of later

[warm pendant]

aight i just made a 5 full industrial containers

[whole drum]

You will still need them for a couple more phases, but you don't have to sweat producing them. Just automate them even at a slow pace and go about your other business. Those storage boxes will fill up by the time you need them.

[dawn kelp]

Yeppers

[worthy cosmos]

yeah but like, how good is it vs the normal recipe

[dense violet]

look at what the trade is, you have all the info.
you add in limestone to extend your steel supply

[dense violet]

there's no 'meta' in this game for recipes, you have to choose what is good for you in any particular situation

[dawn kelp]

I built 8 foundries and ensured constant supply, that's always been enough for me, so far, I'm still not to tier 9 yet.

[dense violet]

is adding limestone to extend your steel always going to be a good deal? probably not.
but there'll definitely be situations where it can be useful

[whole drum]

The main appeal of Molded Beams, imo, is that faster production rate so I can use fewer machines in that segment of production.

[dawn kelp]

Namely when you have an excess of limestone and shortage of other steel supplies

Question, which is the longest burning fuel in the gas powered gens?

[dense violet]

I guess the increased spped is ok, but it takes up a fair bit of limestone, so you're just replacing one machine type doing beams with others making concrete

[dense violet]

check the page, whatever needs the least fuel per burn time

[whole drum]

True, but the concrete can be done remotely and then brought in

[dense violet]

more regular beams can be done elsewhere and brought in too 🙂

[dawn kelp]

what page? is there a wiki?

[dense violet]

!wikisearch

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=

[frail sleet]

fuel =/= gas

[dense violet]

probably the page with fuel generators

[whole drum]

It's slower tho

[dense violet]

ok? slower just means more machines. We went over that

thats why I said 'the fewer machines you trade making molded beams, is replaced by machines making concrete'

[dawn kelp]

Ionized fuel, good to know, ty

[whole drum]

Slower also means more belt/splitter/merger work

[dawn kelp]

That will be my main power source here in the near future, once these 8 particle accelerators start firing up

[dense violet]

same as 'more machines' as you need those things anyway

which you will use making hte concrete

[dense violet]

better off nuclear at that point. Ionized is power negative compared to rocket fuel

[dawn kelp]

I always do MORE machines 😛

So then which fuel is the best? turbo? rocket?

[dense violet]

nuclear

[whole drum]

But you need way more machines to do the slower way. I don't like the extra pointless work.

[dawn kelp]

I'm not there yet

I need more power before then

[dense violet]

you can get there pretty easily on diluted fuel.

I get there on coal

[cosmic pawn]

is regular and residual rubber classified as the same thing if i put them in the hub for the milestone or for crafting?

[dense violet]

as mentioned several times
the machines you save on building the regular recipe Beams, you need to make the concrete.

[dawn kelp]

They are essentially the same thing

[whole drum]

No, you still need less with the concrete

[dense violet]

I imagine it depends how you're making the concrete

[whole drum]

Regular steel machines are super inefficient

Power may be a consideration to weigh, but I generally don't struggle for it

[dense violet]

I just used a planner to make 100 of each beam
base recipe 16 machines
molded beams 21

so molded beams take up about 33% more machines

[whole drum]

Are you OC'ing anything? When the point is less machines, I'm clocking my concrete

[dense violet]

if you OC both you still divide it at most by 2.5

you can OC both chains my dude

[whole drum]

I don't generally clock the steel machines because those take so many to begin with--it's more shards than I want to spend.

Otherwise, sure, it would be the same on that front

[dense violet]

ok.
Molded still takes up more machines.

So like I said 4-5 times, the machines you save making the beams get spent making the concrete

in this case you need even more

[whole drum]

Can you share your modeler setup?

[dense violet]

base https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=jDQy99ZDj6mHdUW69r2Q

molded https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=jDQy99ZDj6mHdUW69r2Q

modeler is not a good planner, I don't use it

[whole drum]

Fair enough. I just want to see what you see.

[dense violet]

molded basically adds 5 constructors to the system (for 100 beams pm)

You could cut it down a bit by using wet concrete, but I wouldn't consider refineries less work for the exchange. You'll also need extractors and piping

[whole drum]

Oh, you duped the link

Doesn't have the molded

[dense violet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=575oJqVgbB7jhLjYKM8Y

try that

sometimes the copy function isn't as quick on the uptake

[whole drum]

Yeah, no big

[dense violet]

and that doesn't mean molded is bad, just pointing out that the 'speed' trade off doesn't reduce the impact. You could have fewer machienes and end up with more Beams pm than with molded.

just depends what your values are for that specific point in the factory

and if you do want fewer belt/splitters ect, base recipe is better for you at that point

like that's a fine thing to judge recipes on. Not my cup of tea but you do you

[whole drum]

Right. Being that I often clock the concrete to reduce the machines, it makes for a clean setup with fewer machines. However, I knew Molded was more iron efficient, but didn't realize by how much. That's a massive increase in production. If the number of machines isn't an issue, using wet concrete and pure iron with it can be ridiculous--just need enough coal.

[dense violet]

yeah you save about 1/3 iron and coal from the recipe, but it's an ass ton of limestone

[whole drum]

Fortunately, I don't have too many uses for it otherwise

And it's everywhere

[dense violet]

hah, solid steel ingots give you teh same savings and all yo uahve to do is make the iron ingots first

of course you could use solid steel with molded too

[whole drum]

That would be insane coal use, lol

Probably need to be in eastern desert for that

[dense violet]

wouldn't hurt! Wet concrete helps too

[whole drum]

If you did a full setup using all these recipes out there, you'd probably make enough steel to never need another setup until post-endgame.

[dense violet]

well, that's not hard depending how hard you're going up the tiers and how you approach it. But yeah if you have the limestone for it, solid trade

[turbid merlin]

Realistically, The 3 or 4 concrete node in the grassy field area is all the concrete you need for building purposes i'd imagine, All the other nodes can be used for recipes

[whole drum]

The desert has tons of iron, coal, lime, and copper--some water here and there, enough for these purposes--and wide open building space for clean setups.

The eastern desert--not rocky

Rocky is great for other reasons 🙂

The steel beam -> screws is one of my fav alt recipes, so this setup would give you more than your belts could even manage, lol

Ever wanted 50k screws/m?

That number actually sounds very achievable, even if completely overkil

[edgy swift]

Theres like no AEDT folks..

[whole drum]

AEDT?

[turbid merlin]

Speak for youself mate

[turbid merlin]

Aussie time, east coast

[whole drum]

Ah

[edgy swift]

Yeah

But like, I have to wait SOO long to get 1 person for my server

[whole drum]

Being that I'm generally a night owl on PST, same difference?

[turbid merlin]

I'm more of a solo player. Plus i've only just gotten back into SF after not playing since U8

[whole drum]

Oh, man. It's so much gooder now.

[turbid merlin]

Yes it has. Need to get my bloody satisfactorytools config off my worklaptop

Lovely

[silk ocean]

6am here in uk, I'm living a bit of a night life atm

[edgy swift]

I'm trying to make a dedicated server but I don't trust port fowarding

[whole drum]

Can you use a VM for it?

[edgy swift]

I tried ZeroTier but you need to download the app.

[silk ocean]

You can always add firewall rules to control by source IP as well, if your friends have statics, use IPv6 if possible

[whole drum]

Would that help?

[silk ocean]

e.g. restrict by their /56 or /64 prefix delegations

[edgy swift]

Ah gotcha. I’m not super across firewall rules or static IPs—do you mean I could whitelist my mates' IPs so only they can connect? And how does IPv6 help here, is it more stable or just easier to manage?

[silk ocean]

Generally just easier to manage and more versatile but you could do the same with v4. Many people just don't have static v4's or they are behind CGNAT, etc

[edgy swift]

I don’t really trust port forwarding tbh, but I’ll probably use it anyway. You trust it?

[silk ocean]

It's not the port forwarding I wouldn't trust.. exposing services in general is where you need to be cautious as a general rule

[whole drum]

Probably makes a difference if the server is meant to be open to the public or just your mates

[edgy swift]

I mean. I won't say any private stuff in here.

[edgy swift]

Well, to the people that would like to join so we could say yeah my mates.

[turbid merlin]

Hm, whats peoples thoughts on satisfactory tools vs satisfactory logistics?

[edgy swift]

Tools

Don't even need to explain

You know. I'll have to stick with normal for now. If they want a copy I will give it to them and just get them to send it back and fourth.

[silk ocean]

Run it in a VM or a docker container - wolveix does a very good docker image

[turbid merlin]

Whats the difference between the two? Havent used either. But i know you can make an account on logistics and not worry about needing to import/export the files

[zenith fractal]

both I only use to have an image of what I am going to build, I do math myself. I find satisfactory tools to look a bit cleaner though.

[edgy swift]

Logistics I haven't used, tools I have

[turbid merlin]

Gotcha

[edgy swift]

I don't get why people don't like doing multiplayer.

I don't usually do VC because Temu scammed me for my mic

[turbid merlin]

Oft

Idk, just want to experience the game solo and mess around myself

[whole drum]

I like multi, actually

[turbid merlin]

Its the same for MC when i play GTNH. That is a sick modpack

[edgy swift]

Yeah, me too. The problem. I live in NSW.

[whole drum]

Don't know what that is

[edgy swift]

MC servers I use aternos

[edgy swift]

Australia Sydney

[whole drum]

Ah. Yeah, I'm on the left coast in America.

[edgy swift]

Ahh, Closer to Australia. What's your time?

(Mine is 5:14)

[whole drum]

11:15pm right now

[edgy swift]

6 HR differ.

Haha.

[whole drum]

But my sleep is all f**'d off, so it doesn't really have much to do with time

[edgy swift]

Oh.

Get in touch if you wanna start a world sometime

Just asking.

[whole drum]

If you're going to be up for a bit, I'm down for awhile.

[turbid merlin]

Hm, logistics doesnt tell you underclocking figures. Seems like the main difference i guess

[edgy swift]

Yeah

Up for another 3 hours or so

[edgy swift]

I was messing around with my mates one night, and I downloaded this voice changer and changed it to a 10 yr old and now I can't get it off. So if you would like to VC just heads up there.

Heads up I'm 35

DM me when u are ready h.

[whole drum]

Do you want to host or should I?

[edgy swift]

I think I'd be on more. If you would like the save file I can just send it to you

[flint grail]

What Tier is blueprint mk2s?

[edgy swift]

Like every session when I need to get off you can ask for the save file

[whole drum]

Okay, moving to DMs so we can add Steam

[edgy swift]

Uhh, T6

[whole drum]

Mk2 belts, miners, or pipes?

[edgy swift]

Blueprint MK2

[flint grail]

Nah, I wanna blueprint a 3 car station

[whole drum]

Ah, yeah. Haki is correct.

[restive glen]

pev playing not nh crazy

[edgy swift]

Heads up. You can go into a world and name it blueprint. You can create the blueprints there and transfer them via files.

[turbid merlin]

Taking a break

[restive glen]

ah

[flint grail]

?

[turbid merlin]

Copper rotors or base rotor recipe?

[turbid merlin]

Have been wanting to finish this game for quite a while, but never got around to it

[edgy swift]

So basically. Exit your world Turn on cheats in another world

[flint grail]

No, I know that part but explain how I can get blueprints from a world named blueprints?

[dense violet]

move the blueprints from that world's bp folder to the save folder you want?

[zenith fractal]

if you're on windows do windows + R and it opens a window. then type %localappdata% to open up the files on your device for apps and find factory game then go to saved then save games then blueprints which shows the blueprints for every world save you've made

then drag and drop blueprint files from one world save file to the one you want to move it to

anyway

[wary perch]

I wish it would open up a secret vending machine in satisfactory so I could have other liquids in my coffee cup

[zenith fractal]

honestly

kinda slighty upset there isn't an animation for the Hubs coffee machine where if you have the ficsit coffee cup you refill it using the machine

[dense violet]

why would there be when you're actually a robot hallucinating you're a person?

[silk ocean]

Green thai pork and veg for breakfast, such a good choice xD

Power food for factory building

[simple mango]

Alright, new train problem. Built a station from blueprints again, but with auto-connect so the rails actually work, but now the train refuses to unload either manually or under auto-drive.

[silk ocean]

Platforms set to unload?

[hard ivy]

I have a feeling that a station built with blueprints might not work. Not sure how the game determines whether a platform is connected to a station, but it might not work when blueprinted

[dense violet]

depending on how you printed it it might not be connected up properly

[simple mango]

I just made 2 blueprints, one with a station and the other with a freight platform. Each has a logistics floor below it with lifts connecting.

[dense violet]

yeah don't know if hte platforms actually connect ot hestation or rails that way

[simple mango]

but wtf is even the point if I have to delete 2/3 of the fuckin parts every time

[dense violet]

don't build platforms and stations in BPs then?

before pipe/belt autoconnect nothing that required a connection to other items connected to neighboring items in a BP. Not even a little bit surprised platforms still don't

[silk ocean]

It's not like manually building a station is a big deal, takes all of 1 minute

[hushed canopy]

i do enjoy geysers, for specifically setting up random hypercannons and radar towers all around the map if i dont want to drago power towers around while exploring

[silk ocean]

We need solar panels XD

[hushed canopy]

nah, too clean energy

[silk ocean]

Useful for charging batteries in remote locations connected to hypercannons

[hushed canopy]

i guess

i need to setup a nuclear powerplant

just finshed celaning up the starter base, no plans on what to do with the area for now

[dense violet]

so? cable it. solar panels would be dumb

those sloop generators are dumb enough as it is

[silk ocean]

Well yea I do cable it

Helps having a global rail network, power is never that far away

[simple mango]

Well don't I feel foolish now. It really is that simple.

[silk ocean]

The station itself is just whatever it is 4 objects, the setup is what takes time

[simple mango]

Oh, like the logistics floor and all the necessary connections?

[silk ocean]

Yea

[simple mango]

Sure would be nice to blueprint those, huh?

[silk ocean]

What about just plopping down the print and then just delete/recreate the station-head, see if that fixes it

[simple mango]

and just like that you've caught up to ten minutes ago.

[silk ocean]

I was cooking XD

[simple mango]

I'm up to seven stations at the current factory, I think I might need to start going vertical

[silk ocean]

Is it a train is it a plane, no it's a station in the clouds

[glossy belfry]

Can't wait to play this game on 4th November.

I've never seen this much transparency from a CM before

[silk ocean]

CM?

[glossy belfry]

community manager

[leaden turret]

I trim my pubic hair
former CM

[turbid merlin]

I swear trying to get the spacebar to craft is weird as, is it hold spacebar and it autocrafts or what

[silk ocean]

Just tap it to autocraft

[turbid merlin]

I swear, that does not work for me. I have to do some funky thing of clicking on my second monitor then going back to press spacebar for it to auto do it

[silk ocean]

That was the old technique yea

Hmm, should work, let me test this XD

Yea seems fine I just tapped the space and off it goes

[turbid merlin]

I was being stupid

[silk ocean]

Normally I am the stupid one xD

[warm pendant]

its so hard that im about to remodel every factory i made before going to phase 3 aaaaaaaaaa

[silk ocean]

What was wrong?

[turbid merlin]

I held it, didnt tap

Held it for longer than i needed to

[silk ocean]

Ah okay

[nova shuttle]

is there any way to play 0.1 agvain or 0.2?

[leaden turret]

other than successfully applying to coffee stain studios, no

[nova shuttle]

ok sadge 🙁

[hard ivy]

Pretty sure you can play any version that was released on steam, but idk how far back it goes. Definitely not U1 or U2 tho

[true mulch]

^ 0.3.5 onwards

you can only legitimately play older versions if you made your own backups of said versions

[dense violet]

just don't use the new content. Then it's just the map changes. Which have just gotten prettier

[true mulch]

you can't make wires or iron plates then

[dense violet]

sucks to suck

[leaden turret]

can't use nuclear power either, because no pipeless nukegen

or coal

or anything requiring a pipe

[true mulch]

only biomass or geothermal would work

but since you can't even make wires or iron plates, the game is unplayable

[leaden turret]

but not belted biomass

[dense violet]

I mean, yeah using u1 or u2 sounds like you wouldn't have much content, which sounds like what they want xD

[nova shuttle]

is there a mod for that? does anyone know it?

[true mulch]

not that I know of

[dense violet]

if there isnt, you have a solution at least

[nova shuttle]

i played sadisfactory since update 4 so thats why i want to play the older versions haha

[silk ocean]

Oldest manifest on the steamdb is 8033901577059136678 you could try that version

[true mulch]

as I said that's v0.3.5

[nova shuttle]

sadly its update 3

[true mulch]

Steam depots only go up to the Steam release

[nova shuttle]

is there any epic db ?

[silk ocean]

Yep, that one is 4 years old

[true mulch]

Epic Games may have a depot system, but it's practically undocumented

and even if, the depot IDs are probably lost

[silk ocean]

In fact that's the dedicated server but just a case of searching steamdb for the client, but yea looks like nothing older than 4 years

[flint grail]

I'm making an iron factory to ship everything, and I can't decide on what I should make here...

There's like so many iron parts

I already have the three obvious, plates, rods, and screws

[true mulch]

don't centralize production of basic parts

make them when you need them

only automate enough for building

[flint grail]

This isn't the main hub

[true mulch]

you can also make reinforced plates or modular frames

also, with alt recipes, rotors and motors

[silk ocean]

Manifest 5235170890177666837 is 5.3 years ago

Depot 526871

[true mulch]

8 June 2020

!wikisearch patch 0.3.5

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=patch+0.3.5

[true mulch]

would you look at that

[silk ocean]

Yea that table, steam release came in the 0.3 era

That's about as old as you're going to get methinks

That would be: download_depot 526870 526871 5235170890177666837

[silk ocean]

Authenticated and tried that version, it's #124233 @true mulch

[true mulch]

0.3.5.1

Hotfix on the same day

[silk ocean]

A smol patch version yea

[reef basin]

make what you need, don't try to guess the future 🙂

[shy mulch]

Make none. You don't need any. Until you do. When you need something, then make it

[silk ocean]

The secret to a successful factory -> make nothing xD

[shy mulch]

Exactly

Big mistake a lot of new players make is to start at ores and make ingots then try to plan out production lines to feed off that, but it's a million times easier to plan in the opposite direction. Decide what final product you want to make, and at what rate, then calculate backwards from there

[silk ocean]

Yes working backwards is generally the best policy

[shy mulch]

I like to do everything backwards, it's a great policy in general

[compact harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1357276279468068936/1433029304865783839/image.png?ex=6903340a&is=6901e28a&hm=301c7586d78f3f02223fd4539c46f9af20bc68f390f473be625cfb8179371d83&
I WAS GONE FOR FIVE MINS

[shy mulch]

I do walk into a lot of walls and keep hitting the back of my head, which is inconvenient. And I'm banned from lots of restaurants. But it's worth it

[silk ocean]

lol

[wintry carbon]

how to plan the amount of products you want to make?

[flint grail]

Calculator

[leaden turret]

press N for Nalculator

[wintry carbon]

you still need to know how much you want.

[leaden turret]

🪞

[flint grail]

Google Satisfactory Calculator

[leaden turret]

(self-reflection)

[wintry carbon]

hard to know if you even didnt unlock all producs still comin up.

[shy mulch]

The game tells you how much you need to make in total. For example 500 smart plating.
You decide how long you're willing to wait for that. If you make 5/min then you'll get enough in 100 mins. If you make 10/min then you'll get enough in 50 mins, but it'll be slightly more complex to set up.

[shy mulch]

Don't plan for anything you haven't unlocked, that's what we're trying to tell you. Build production for the goals you're actively trying to complete right now. When you get new goals, you can then expand your production to suit if needed

Trying to build on the scale you'll need at phase 5, when you're in phase 2, is only going to end in frustration, because you're making way more work for yourself that way

There's a wild misconception that you can easily build a factory in early game that will produce enough iron products to see you through to the competion of the whole thing, honestly, you can, but it's a million times harder to do it that way

[wintry carbon]

i just builded a big warehouse with all product until plastic and rubber. all getting filled up. so i can build freely. next thing will be electronics.

[shy mulch]

If you want to do it that way, against the advice of people who have thousands of hours in the game, then go ahead, look up all the items and recipes in the wiki and plan stuff out using that info. But I urge you to trust that you're making it a lot more work for yourself by doing it that way

[flint grail]

What's the max amount of inventory slots, btw?

[shy mulch]

!wikisearch inventory

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=inventory

[flint grail]

Sorry, I meant hand, lol

[shy mulch]

That's also answered on the same page

[dim cradle]

Who cares about bad ideas, after all I'm going to (apparently) do nothing but sloop and geothermal energy. Remember it could always be worse

I should have gotten the parachute sooner, this thing is pretty good

[leaden turret]

-# hand does not have inventory slot, glove has inventory slot

-# for hand.

[wintry carbon]

i think you misunderstood me, i wanted to unlock all buildables fast and have a basic storage to freely build around providing me the basics until rubber/fuel. that done i can start explore the world find great places to build and set up factories for certain items an set up a train network. i love trains so i will go crazy on it.

[dim cradle]

So many times I wouldn't have had to reload if I just had a parachute

I didn't realize they made it almost like the Just Cause parachute, not an actual parachute

[shy mulch]

if it's just building materials you are interested in, then just look at the build costs of each building you are likely to want to build to see which things you need

[true mulch]

What are you doing to need the parachute so much

[shy mulch]

I think I used the parachute once and thought it was a bit meh and never used it again

[zenith pecan]

Probably just testing gravity.

[true mulch]

You can't die to fall damage from full health fyi

[zenith pecan]

I haven't used a parachute at all.

[leaden turret]

no, but you can go splat in a fart cloud

[true mulch]

Skill issue

[leaden turret]

there's no keybind for "hold breath" 😛

[wanton summit]

is fluid truck everything in 1.2?

[leaden turret]

nope

[hard ivy]

That's all we know about but almost definitely not

[silk ocean]

It would be a pretty minor update if that's all there's gonna be XD

[hushed canopy]

made my first train route, feels good

painful to make though, did the beach route to transfer fuel to my nitrogen so i can make some rocket fuel

very scenic, unfortunately slight bumps on the way

[silk ocean]

Don't worry half of my rail network is basically seasick

[hushed canopy]

i have been dreading making these things

i also am finally making more factories instead of procrastinating which is nice

so i can further start thinking about transporting goods around

[fresh ruin]

I guess they won't be adding this emoji after all?
#screenshots message

[novel heath]

how far is the train route?

[hushed canopy]

from beach oil to the nitrogen at the north western point of the map

[unkempt blade]

I think it's in line behind #satisfactory-memes message still

[novel heath]

oh damn lol

[leaden turret]

was addressed in dev stream

[unkempt blade]

oh jeez I have to watch a video that isn't about factory carts now?

[leaden turret]

you don't have to 😛

[dim cradle]

Exploring using sky platforms. Gotta love those 50 meter leaping spiders just spawning out of nowhere

If you don't die to the leap, you will to it knocking you off the edge of the platform with the leap

[true mulch]

Do you have the jetpack?

[dim cradle]

Why would I make a parachute if I had the jetpack

but I will soon lol

[dense violet]

easier long glides

[true mulch]

What area could you possibly be exploring then

[dim cradle]

Every area

[true mulch]

Yeah, now you understand why that's not a good idea before having the jetpack 😛

And explorer too

[dim cradle]

Shrug, it was fine

I got 50 sloops so far and a lot of hard drives, just some reloading due to enemy pop in and stuff

skybridges everywhere

[hushed canopy]

the really big ones like to jump scare you a lot, the aura is nasty

[hexed willow]

parachute is underrated

stable enough while drifting to be used as an early hoverpack for more stable building

[dim cradle]

Those new hog types are similar, with the high splash radius rocks that have a silly amount of knockback

[hexed willow]

can abuse certain terrain collisions to fly up walls

[dim cradle]

But yeah the spiders are worse by a mile

[hushed canopy]

love the parachute

can fly up walls early on

[dim cradle]

Actually like it's kind of funny the old enemies just seem very anemic compared to the new ones they made

I don't think spiders used to be anywhere near that bad either so I'm calling them new

spitters are positively cute compared to spiders and those big hogs

[dim cradle]

How do you fly up walls with it

[hushed canopy]

just need a small slope and enough of a jump to float with it

then just hugh it and press w facing it

[dim cradle]

I see, I did manage it but it seems like it has to be a bit specific, like it has to be just steep enough to where you can't walk on it for sure

[unkempt blade]

you'd frequently be able to unlock the parachute before you'd have fuel for the jetpack

[hard ivy]

It actually can be so shallow that you could walk on it. Though it is closer to unwalkable than to completely flat.

And you can climb any wall that's not straight up vertical (or even tilted towards you)

[dim cradle]

I guess it takes practice. I'll just stick to skybridges with parachute backup. I made a huge hypertube cannon that takes me to the skybox limit and then just fires me out lol

parachute does seem to stop horizontal velocity instantly too

[hushed canopy]

holy crap

i automated rocketfuel

although, my drones say its turbofuel on their last used fuel but eh its consuming 12 per trip on a 4800m journey so it seems only a visual issue with the text

[dim cradle]

Is the jetpack a lot better for combat I'm guessing?

[feral portal]

i'm at tier 6 and found turbo motors, cooling system etc. from hard drive wreckage, should I keep it around or dump it into the sink?

[dim cradle]

tier 6 is the trains and stuff where I'm at right?

Turbo motors is used for a decent amount of wreckages to open them, so good idea to keep them around to open other wreckages if you explore a lot

If you can't make them yet

[feral portal]

yeah i just got trains researched

how many do you think i'll need to open wreckages? i have like 20 turbo motors rn

[hushed canopy]

if you cant make lots of an item you find, best to keep it

[silk ocean]

2 turbo motors, according to a reddit post

[leaden turret]

🪂
🏃‍♀️
⬛

⬛
💥🪦🪦

[dim cradle]

One wreckage I found needs like 25 or something

[hushed canopy]

turbo motors are needed for crafting stuff later on though, and you gonna need em for another load for the ol space elevator

[dim cradle]

So quite a few, you want to keep all of the ones you find. Cooling systems, idk but I think they might be a pain to make from what I remember, so just having a few to give you a quick start wouldn't hurt as opposed to a ticket or two in the sink

Well by the time you need to do that, you can just make them

[silk ocean]

2 does seem a bit wrong xD

[reef basin]

"crafting for later" is not a now problem, it's a later problem. You make them later when you need them

[hushed canopy]

still a nice boost for the crafting process, esp if you need to clog up the system for it to run at 100%

[dim cradle]

Yeah when you need them later you can make them but as a new player grabbing hard disks better to use them to get more hard disks

[silk ocean]

Yea don't focus on how much do I need of x,y,z.. Just make stuff as and when required imo

[feral portal]

okay i see, thanks

[hushed canopy]

true that

[feral portal]

what about like cooling systems would those be good to keep around?

[hushed canopy]

yes

[dim cradle]

I don't think there's any point in sinking anything you can't make imho

[silk ocean]

It doesn't really matter if you keep them or sink them, you're going to be manufacturing them sooner or later anyway

[leaden turret]

typically higher point value

[feral portal]

kinda tempted by those points tbh lol

[leaden turret]

by the time you need stuff you can't make, you generally need more than you can scavenge

[hushed canopy]

that is very true now that i think about it, would probaply net him quite a few coupons

[dim cradle]

what I'm doing for points is just processing the SAM in 3 constructors that are all slooped and overclocked to max

[hushed canopy]

welp, i found a pure sam in early game, so guess whos been sinking that stuff straight from a constructor for most of the game

[dim cradle]

lol yeah I have like 240 coupons since I just leave the game on overnight

[feral portal]

i literally just found more

[dim cradle]

making 54k points per minute

[hushed canopy]

the eletric bill is gonna skyrocket

[feral portal]

on top of some rock on red forest

[dim cradle]

if you minimize the resolution it's on overnight and minimize the game it's mostly the CPU

CPUs kind of sip power so it's almost nothing

it's like keeping an old light bulb on

[hushed canopy]

to each our own

i would find it an immense hassle to swap back to the old graphics settings

[reef basin]

leaving the game overnight = you haven't automated enough 🙂

[dim cradle]

I don't change settings, just changing the resolution is mostly enough

[hushed canopy]

when in doubt, shove the stuff in containers and then into whatevers gonna make something outta em

[dim cradle]

Yeah I made 7200 motors overnight. Hopefully that's gonna come in handy

maybe I should have made more containers

[hushed canopy]

i have a big one full of motors too

they been sitting there for a while now since i havent automated the higher tier stuff yet, been focused on exploring and planning some side factories

like a spot to make more cluster nobelisks

and homing ammo, because spiders are a pain

[dim cradle]

See there's all that planning

and then when I say screw it and do it, there's me making 1 single overclocked to the wall constructor making iron pipes from 270/m of iron ingots

.>;

[hushed canopy]

well i did make a crystal whatchimacallit factory while exploring

and now finished the rocket fuel