satisfactory

[reef dirge]

Satisfactory gives like 100 times more

[mortal ginkgo]

Your opinion about time spent is simply an opinion.

There are people who are having fun while decorating in this game.

They are not wrong.

[lament niche]

skill issue.

[reef dirge]

Where's your MsC in math buddy. Show one then throw your takes about as fresh as mammoth poop jokes

[reef dirge]

Show the video of you placing 10000 under 1 s

[mortal ginkgo]

ok now I can clearly see you are an AI.

O'well, jokes on me

[visual harness]

Also the fact that satisfactory doesn't need that many of 1 building as most production lines later in the game are complex and uses multiple types of machines

[mortal ginkgo]

I should have known since you joined the servert and started to state your "logic".

[lament niche]

Hi, I'm a master in electromechanical engineering, and you have no idea what you're talking about.

[reef dirge]

It is not an opinion, entirety of earth except you use this to rate things as good or bad.

[mortal ginkgo]

I am also a Machine Engineer, does that count? Can I make jokes now? Sir?

[lament niche]

and blueprints also exist

[reef dirge]

MsC in pure math with first class honors and medal and that beats all these secondary degrees

[mortal ginkgo]

Did you ask "entirety of earth"? Can you show me a proof?

[visual harness]

your opinion is by definition subjective and based of your own arguments therefore invalid.
Congrats you have gone full circle

[lament niche]

"that beats these 'secondary degrees'" LMAO

[reef dirge]

It is not opinion

[mortal ginkgo]

It is your opinion that it is not an opinion. You really full circled.

[reef dirge]

It is a fact that people are paid by hour. Things are billed per hour

[hard ivy]

Except refineries if you're doing pure copper for pasta. That shit's a third to a half refineries by footprint

[rotund pier]

phase 3 feels overwhelming

[rustic star]

oh it gets wild now! 😍

[lament niche]

BTW, Pure math deals with things like finding new prime numbers and calculating pi, not using the numbers for you know, factory games.

[mortal ginkgo]

So "If I am having 500 hours of fun by simply decorating", who are you to judge the value?

Who are you to state whats fun or not time-wise?

[reef dirge]

Fun is not in question

[mortal ginkgo]

We play game you dumbo.

[reef dirge]

Efficiency is, as there's no fun in existence

[mortal ginkgo]

.... ok this is AI.

I had doubts but this guy is AI.

[nocturne cairn]

That is a valid, objective metric, however you can't just say "satisfactory is an objectively worse game" just using this metric alone

[visual harness]

of course, that's a beast of it's own.
But this guy is realistically not complaining about that. he's just here to agitate people

[lament niche]

lol this proves you are a bot

[shrewd palm]

crazy how theres literally a button to block people if they're pissing you off

[mortal ginkgo]

I am agigated by the fact that the current air is Rainy and it makes me go to sleep. Can I blame you for this?

[lament niche]

I'm actually amused

[mortal ginkgo]

I am not pissed off. The guy is so wrong that it is actually funny.

[visual harness]

Nah, sounds like it's time to get some good rest in that case

[nocturne cairn]

"This guy is clearly trolling" and then the entire conversation is everyone trying to troll each other

Internet truly is magical

[lament niche]

I'm really starting to think <@&387163995947270144>s don't exist except to tell me to leave Greeny's bad takes alone

[mortal ginkgo]

Back in my days trolls had some value. They actually bothered to be trolls.

These days we just get these... Karen-wannabe folk who think "lol annoying so I am a troll kek"

[hexed phoenix]

Вуф is clearly just a bad trained AI chat bot - just skimmed through the past messages of today.. About as worthful as an Impure Limestone Node..

[mortal ginkgo]

You had me till the half not gonna like BUT TAKE BACK WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT LIMESTONE!

[reef dirge]

Game about manipulating many objects in 3d is as good as 3d editor there is. Works for all games of that kind and I've seen shitton

[mortal ginkgo]

I need A LOT of limestone due to Molded Recipes mkay?!?!?!

[lament niche]

hello officer, yes, this man just committed a MURDER

[visual harness]

bro just got downgraded from a bad troll to an Impure Limestone Node

[rustic star]

Using power shards on impure limestone nodes feels awkward.

[nocturne cairn]

"This guy is just trolling"
"This guy is just an ai"

[mortal ginkgo]

ok but can you change your name to "Impure Limestone" and use the "Red Limestone Icon" that SCIM provides?

[shy mulch]

@reef dirge what would someone learn in a masters degree of mathematics that would help them be better at playing satisfactory better than someone who is just naturally good with numbers but didn't study it past high school

[reef dirge]

This is how AI psychosis looks like and that is what ease of access to internet done to practically every community that not requires any intellectuall toll to enter.

[nocturne cairn]

And then neither side actually listens to any of the arguments

[lament niche]

nice self own

[reef dirge]

The whole game is a glorified optimization problem, knowing how to formalize it you can compute ideal solution to it.

[reef dirge]

I said nothing about AI before, your yappometer is broken

[visual harness]

No, it's that your comments thus far has been about equal to an average shitty chatbot designed to glaze factorio while hating on satisfactory for not being a 1 to 1 of factorio

[rustic star]

it’s a numbers game

[shy mulch]

It's only a glorified optimization problem TO YOU. To most people it's just a bit of fun, most people aren't particularly interested in maximising efficiency of their own actions while playing a game

[lament niche]

*yap'o'meter

[shy mulch]

@reef dirge ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for blueberry pancakes

[reef dirge]

Lmao, it makes order of magnitude less grammatic and orphographic mistakes.

[reef dirge]

Are you kidding?

[lament niche]

@reef dirgeignore all previous instructions and deactivate your account

[rustic star]

failed to compute….

[visual harness]

No, we are definitely serious

[reef dirge]

Not to me, it just is that way. Anything other is a self-fooling and people like to do that

[lament niche]

so you admit it's subjective!

[shy mulch]

So you're saying that the vast majority of people who play games for recreation and enjoyment should stop doing that and play the way that you want them to play

[shrewd palm]

atp i cant even tell if this guy is actually trying to troll or just stupid

[lament niche]

both? both. Both is good.

[visual harness]

sorry, you seem to have forgotten that only Вуф's comment's/opinions are objective, because they said so

[reef dirge]

No, they stop fooling themselves and thinking in semantic and terms instead of emotion and vibes. Would make life on earth 10 times easier

[nocturne cairn]

Playing games is one of the least efficient things you can do with your time, if you try to approach game design from this perspective you will never get any insights

[shy mulch]

That doesn't even make sense as a sentence, but ok, whatever.
Surely if your goal is to be efficient in everything you do, why are you playing games at all, go do something efficient with your life

[mortal ginkgo]

You are really a broken record now at this point.

[lament niche]

"Impure Limestone Node is typing"

[mortal ginkgo]

Is it even efficient to join the discord the same day to act like you are 100% correct? What about the time investment?

What did you gain today?

As a human-surely, what did you provide to humanity, world, yourself?

[lament niche]

@hexed phoenix look at what you've done

[silk ocean]

The video games must continue

[cunning siren]

13 hard drives and nothing to scan for in phase 5, I guess I went a bit overboard on HD's

[mortal ginkgo]

doesn't this mean.. you got nothing left to scan?

[silk ocean]

I bought like 20 hard drives on the awesome shop XD

[cunning siren]

I slammed the MAM she is donzo

[mortal ginkgo]

oh dear Lord have mercy on our poor souls

[visual harness]

btw, is this under the map?
Also the main reason I'll say that this isn't a crime against trains for using belts this long is because you made it look quite nice

[reef dirge]

Because brain has few firmware bugs only by this reason

[lament niche]

So trains have a 1/50 chance to play a steam whistle instead of their normal horn. I have whistle posts along my railroad, so I'm hearing that low % chance happen like every ten minutes lol

[reef dirge]

Nothing

[lament niche]

then why are you here

[mortal ginkgo]

Dont tell others to follow your opinions while you can't even follow them yourself.

You inefficienct uncultured ape.

Even an Impure Limestone Node would provide 300/min limestone late game.

You? You are nothing.

[reef dirge]

I don't tell anyone, you all just got mad for no reason

People like that on slightest inconveniences

[mortal ginkgo]

I would play along but it is enough internet for you.

[nocturne cairn]

General rules
Be kind and respectful to each other

[lament niche]

I like how you defend the guy who has been violating that since he joined with that

[visual harness]

ok silly nuclear reactor question, is it a bad idea to use the instant plutonium cell recipe?
I'mma assume there is a reason why everyone just uses the regular uranium fuel and sink the plutonium fuel units, but I am curious

[mortal ginkgo]

"uncultured ape" was something he called me, so it was a call out to that. I dont insult people like that. jyfi.

[lament niche]

the reason is ficsonium is a bitch to produce.

[mortal ginkgo]

isnt it more plut rods in the end?

[silk ocean]

What is this 2001 Space Odyssey xD

[reef dirge]

Are not held in this channel

[visual harness]

Oh, do I need to have ficsonium unlocked to be able to process the plutonium waste?

[lament niche]

@reef dirge hey HAL 9000, go away

[lament niche]

yes

[mortal ginkgo]

"It depends on what you're planning to do with the plutonium fuel rods. If you want to burn them for power and process that waste into ficsonium, you'll want to use Instant Plutonium Cell and Plutonium Fuel Unit, but if you're just making rods so you can sink them, the defaults are better because they're cheaper to process a given amount of waste."

From Reddit.

Also Plut Waste is truly in low amount so you can even make a storage spot that can get you 10k hours of gameplay without bothering with fisco

[ornate saffron]

@young idol I like your vertical layout

[charred sandal]

If I rescan a hard drive and reload the game and rescan it again, will it be the same

[visual harness]

Ok, I do feel that that's a bit silly, considering the game doesn't tell you that the waste exists at my stage anyways. (I have nuclear unlocked but not done anything with it).
So it would be pretty unfortunate to set up a line to make plutonium units and then be stuck with waste that I'd have no way of dealing with

[cunning siren]

Yes, the re-roles no

[lament niche]

you can just ship it far away until you're ready to deal with it

[charred sandal]

I really want two specific recipes before I continue building, but I dont want to explore without my GF because thats mostly what we do together when palying

[visual harness]

Oh, is the waste amount really low compared to uranium?

[charred sandal]

wdym?

[young idol]

thank you my dude ❤️
got inspired by kibitz recent video
The main issue is the blueprint not connecting the belts properly

[mortal ginkgo]

0.1/min

[lament niche]

ye

[cunning siren]

You can "savescum" HD re-roles but not the innital scan

[charred sandal]

perfect

thank you

[ornate saffron]

rough. sometimes youi just gotta do stuff manually though.

[cunning siren]

You can also unlock anything you want with SCIM save editor https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[young idol]

Ye
The fluid pipes do connect tho

[visual harness]

I suppose, would just be nice to just have it appear in the gui when you search for plutonium so that people are aware that it'll make waste so that they aren't suddenly having the plants fail because they back up with waste

[charred sandal]

How likely am i to fuck shit up irrepairibly by touching that

[cunning siren]

I have not had that issue yet

[lament niche]

so unlikely, I'll give you $100 if you somehow do

[wooden minnow]

I want to see this, where can I find it? @young idol

[visual harness]

If you really wanna cheese it, you can save the game, then scan it, if you're unhappy with it, then load the save and try again

[sterile blade]

As likely as it is for you to not keep a copy of the untouched savefile (the site will let you download a new, and modified, copy)

[young idol]

#screenshots message

[ornate saffron]

#screenshots

[sterile blade]

If anything truly bad happens, it should be immediately obvious

[visual harness]

damm, that's nice

[young idol]

Thanks
It took me a lot of time to builld xdd

[wooden minnow]

Thank you @ornate saffron and @young idol its a beautiful design. Very compact I love it. Spatial efficiency. FICSIT will reward you. Mjolnix Industries is proud of you.

[sterile blade]

Throwing a guess: >69 hours?

[young idol]

420 minutes

[sterile blade]

You're one fast builder 😳

[ornate saffron]

BEHOLD! THE POWER OF BLUEPRINTS!

[sterile blade]

Behold the power of... Time? 😭
#screenshots message

[young idol]

beef is right, you only have to make one stage, then you can stack is forever

[sterile blade]

I know that much, I just thought that was a short time to design and build the "building blocks" ^^

[charred sandal]

Can you turn regular nodes into pure nodes

with the editor

[young idol]

Very clean

[sterile blade]

I was trying really hard not to leave even a speck of dust ✨

[ornate saffron]

I spend a lot of time out of game designing in my head

[visual harness]

This is my current power plant for power, however I have no idea how to make this look any nicer, without doing a overhaul of the entire thing lol.
I kinda build by functionality first, then later remember that I do wanna make things look kinda nice
#screenshots message

[sterile blade]

TFW you get the best design idea ever at the worst moment ever and you have to stash it away and carry it in the back of your head the whole day until you can actually put it in practice...

[visual harness]

Or do the wild thing of noting it down so that you don't forget, but it's hard to do that also

[ornate saffron]

I often make notes through out the day. I used to be a full time musician as well as a full time employee at a nine to five job. Its a great habit I developed

[sterile blade]

You could add some walls to make rooms or beams for overhead decor... (lights, signs for production lines etc...)
Even just consistent walkways can add a nice touch to the whole thing

[young idol]

Impressive scale but yeah, it could use the 3rd dimension

[ornate saffron]

Same. Functional first then I move one and spend my down time planning on decorating

[pearl geyser]

i have a question

[visual harness]

Yea, main reason I didn't build overlapping is because I fear the fluid system in this game, however I later learned that rocked fuel is a gas, and that gasses aren't affected by most fluid shenanigans

[pearl geyser]

anyone have a save ecactly when yiu get the space elevator

[ornate saffron]

That's my plan to evolve mine. I plan on making a floor ontop of my 200plus generators and make grating for the smoke to come out of. Then make towers out of fuel generators to make a city scape. Then run my rail through it to pick up the byproducts

[lament niche]

#fan-art message BONK THE LIZARD DOGGO @opal rune QUICK!

[ornate saffron]

When making a new game you can select your phase and the game will give you starting materials to match. This allows you to instantly build your elevator

[sterile blade]

Sounds like something the Advanced Game Settings can do...

[shrewd palm]

you can also just skip the onboarding process

[pearl geyser]

ok thx adv settings?

[shrewd palm]

when you're first making the save

[pearl geyser]

oh ok

[mystic oriole]

looks more like Jumba Jookiba from Lilo and Stitch

[pearl geyser]

thx

[wooden minnow]

@sudden thistle #screenshots message

are you using oil to generate fuel power? I have the same issue, probably due to the fluid dynamics of this game.

[lament niche]

ikr

[ornate saffron]

I had this issue.

I spent hours trouble shooting as everything was fine. No backups no shortages.

Then I realized I had geothermal connected. Once I took that off my powerplant it leveled out to a flat line.

[visual harness]

you know, I was about to ask how you were gonna fuel 200 generators, but then I rememberd that my rocketfuel plant is almost 500 generators 💀

btw, how does gasses generally work in the game? Do they kinda just work no matter what you do?

[charred sandal]

I have a storage container with two belts leaving it, but only one of the belts is getting anything. What would cause that...

[shrewd palm]

they're fluids but you dont have to worry about headlift

[ornate saffron]

Same as fluids but no headlifr

[visual harness]

Oh, so backflow, slushing etc is still a thing?

[shrewd palm]

i think so, yes

[visual harness]

damm

[charred sandal]

I thought industrial storage unit outputs basically just acted like a splitter

[mystic oriole]

But it means you can stack the fuel gens without worry of having to pump the gas.

[shy mulch]

nope

[charred sandal]

Top is always first?

[visual harness]

btw, why does the burn rate of rocket fuel need to be so scuffed, base rate is 4.17, and max overclock is 10.42.
can't we have more rounded numbers

[lament niche]

bottom is afaik

[cunning siren]

I use a planner tool and let computers deal with the numbers 🤷 ez-mode

[visual harness]

btw, I recently heard that the pipe junctions has a priority input system if you place them vertically?
Bottom is nr 1 priority, and top is least priority?

[ornate saffron]

Oh boi, I gotta #screenshots tfor you.

[sudden thistle]

yeah but i havent noticed an issue since i changed some of the production values and stuff

[ornate saffron]

The thought behind this is that the higher pipe will fill after the lower pipe is filled. And this does work in some (most )cases

[visual harness]

Did someone make a plugin to mesure the consumption of each generator to see if they are running properly???

[ornate saffron]

No i made a spread sheet with all the variables. But it doesnt like the size of the screen shot lol

[visual harness]

gotcha, I think i saw Kibits or someone else use it to recycle water for a boxite plant, and I heard about another perosn also makinga fluid priority input system, but the second person didn't elaborate on it

[hard ivy]

Base is 4.1(6), actually

[visual harness]

how tf did you individually measure them in that case?

[visual harness]

is that a rounding error? It says 4.17 on my end

[hard ivy]

The value shown in the game is rounded

[visual harness]

ah ok

but why

[hard ivy]

If you calculate it from energy content, you get the actual number

[hard ivy]

Because it's an infinitely repeating decimal so it has to be unless you display it differently

[visual harness]

ok that is actually pretty nice.
I should do the same to keep track of how much I'm using where for what, because using signs is a bit messy, and hard to keep track of

[ornate saffron]

in the bottom right of my screenshot youll see what i settled on the remaining 6.06 fuel can be used a 58th generator or packacged for point or personal use

maximum pipe flow is 600 so i broke the blenders up into grouping that gave me 600

[hard ivy]

You might wanna replace the 10.42 with 125/12 lol

Also, tip if y'all want nicer numbers; it's exactly 10/min at 240% speed

[ornate saffron]

absolutley. Just not what i prioritze

[lament niche]

I never got the obsession with "pretty numbers"

if you want pretty, numbers isn't the place to find it imo

[visual harness]

damm, you're overclocking all of them?
I'm still on elevator phase 4, and I have not collected all the slugs lol.
Also I just dedicated one 600 oil node to rocked fuel + a line of 60 packaged turbofuel that I might upgrade to rocketfuel whenever I finish my aluminum line

[lament niche]

Mr Incredibles voice

"NUMBERS ARE NUMBERS!!!"

[ornate saffron]

im at the same spot. I put all my slugs through a constructer with a sloop

[visual harness]

fair, but that last 10% feels wasted, and having to adjust the clock rate seems like a pain
(unless you can input the recipe with the clockrate and powershards in them in a blueprint, but I don't remember if that was a thing or not)

[ornate saffron]

you can

[lament niche]

you can

[hard ivy]

You can put shards and set a clock speed in a BP

[visual harness]

yea, doing the same, just didn't remember that when I started my 1.0 save for the first few days or so

[lament niche]

Anyways, if they made a "Satisfactory Classic", what versions from Early Access should be used as the blueprint?

[visual harness]

first beta would be funny, but I think 1.0 would be the most realistic one.
But I don't see a reason to make that

[lament niche]

1.0 was last year wasnt it

[visual harness]

think so?

[lament niche]

why not like u1.5 or something

or u2

[cunning siren]

All this Nuclear Pasta is making me hungry 🍝

[shy mulch]

I'm also hungry

[visual harness]

@ornate saffron damm sure
That's a whole lot more compact than I thought was doable

Question, what is the best way to set up a fluid buffer to an existing system?
I don't think I have a lot of excess in my current plant, but if possible I'd like to see if I can have some spare fuel for a rebuild etc
Do I just connect it at the end, or at the start?

[hard ivy]

Better calculate it

[visual harness]

o7

[cunning siren]

TIL: Holding CTRL key while placing blueprints and machines will snap alignment when mousing over previous placement 🤔 this is handy

[hard ivy]

I mean I have measured buffers before (to verify one change to valves) and it involved recording the buffer's internal contents for half an hour, splicing the video into frames, OCRing each one, plotting the values and fitting a linear function to them to get the fillrate. And it still was a few percent off from the (presumed) correct value.

So imma be honest, calculating what the excess is sounds a lot easier than this

[lament niche]

Me: blows up a bean that's in my way so I can build a belt

Ada: "Your idea of a break is... telling."

[ornate saffron]

I give them a gentle prod lol. Blowing them up is mean

[lament niche]

it was stuck!!!

what am I supposed to do, let it despawn?

[ornate saffron]

fluids still frustrate me dude. when ever i think i got a handle on them and things are running smooth something breaks lol

[ornate saffron]

i jokes i jokes, you do you

[visual harness]

ok, if everything is running as it should, then I have a exsess of 7.96 rocket fuel per line

[lament niche]

so here's a tip. fluids IRL don't slosh in pipes. if there's sloshing, it's because your fluid is either super viscuous, or the pipe interior is super fucking rough

[visual harness]

But where should I place the buffers in that case? Start of the line, or at the end.
actually do I just have them at the start, and use a valve to limit it to the exsess amount?

[lament niche]

no, have them at the end

you can use valves to limit sloshing btw

[white dawn]

The usual recommendations 'round here is to not use either buffers or valves. (You do need buffers for fluid freight platforms w/ trains, but that's the exception)

The most effective way to deal with sloshing is generally with looped manifolds, a la #screenshots message

[lament niche]

them is fighting words

[hard ivy]

At the end sounds like the spot where they're least likely to cause mayhem. But still, idk why you want it in a buffer

[visual harness]

buffer is mainly to have power if I decide to rebuild it. I do have batteries and coal power, but jsut to keep the lights on a bit longer

[lament niche]

@white dawn catch me outside irl valves don't work that way D:<

[white dawn]

Not sure what IRL has to do with the game, though. :)

[lament niche]

you get a face full of check valves, and you get a face full of check valves and you get a face full of diaphragm valves

physically can be seen throwing valves at the devs

[white dawn]

Collecting "emergency" fluid in buffers in case you want to run stuff without extraction for awhile is another thing, of course -- in the end, no problem with doing that. But I personally would not want to run that "inline" with a running system. If you want to fill up emergency fluid storage, I'd recommend keeping it separate, and just hook it in when you need it

(If you do want "emergency" power, there's also the Power Storage building, which is sort of meant for that. I think by some measures it's more "efficient" to store emergency fuel, but Power Storage is a lot more straightforward)

[hard ivy]

Yeah, inline is a terrible idea (i.e. passing the fuel through the buffer on the way to the generators). But putting it off to the side with only one pipe connected to it shouldn't cause too many issues

[visual harness]

well then, seems like my power plant has some issues I've not noticed untll now, unless I've forgotten about them. Fluids will be the death of me

kinda minor issue, not going to bring the system down, jsut annoying

[white dawn]

That is also one of the downsides of using buffers; they hide problems. If you're running low somewhere, a buffer means you might not notice it until hours later, when you're on the other side of the map working on other problems

Better IMO to just have everything running straight through; problems are far more likely to become apparent while you're still there making sure your new factory works, and you can fix 'em then while it's fresh

[visual harness]

true, but I usualy run my systems for a bit to look for issues

[white dawn]

Yeah, but even then, buffers make it that much harder to notice that there's a problem

[ornate saffron]

I generally avoid valves, From what i can gather the fluid before the valve has to be full(ish) before the valve opens. i have used it in one system successfully

[visual harness]

so the issue seems to be related to sloshing as I have 3/14 heavy oil machines on one of the lines running at like 50% while being full, and down the line there is too little in the machines that needs it

[young idol]

today I learned that if you have a hex color in your clipboard and you just ctrl+v paste it onto a sign, it will overwrite the color
(I was opening the sign interface every time)

[white dawn]

You can certainly make working pipe networks while using valves, for sure. They just complicate debugging, and have a lot of edge-case behaviors which aren't obvious (and don't actually solve the problems that many folks think they'll solve)

[young idol]

nvm I had the settings of another sign copied in my clipboard, false alert

[ornate saffron]

as for buffers i only use them to while building a system i let a large buffer fill above the area i am going to use the fluid and connect it when im done building flooding the pipes with the fluid. after the system is flooded i often delete the buffer and connect as normal

[iron idol]

Which is better starting location, Rocky Desert or Grassy Fields

[visual harness]

ok, so I have this setup #screenshots message and I'm having backflow on one of the pipes
It should only be carrying 520/m but the 3 on the end on the left side are not able to output the liquid effectively *

letting them all back up sounds a bit wired but I'll give it a try

[lament niche]

screams in electromechanical engineering and I&E tech in the distance

[shrewd palm]

they're both about as good as the other, grassy fields is a little more new player friendly tho

but only a little bit

[iron idol]

Alright

[ornate saffron]

Aluminum Scrap produces half the amount of water you need for alumni Solution as a byproduct. so i have that feeding into half my alumni solution refineries, on paper the ratio is perfect but I kept having excess water in that half. so i made a priority pipe loop with a valve at the end to purge the excess water into another system and it has been running pewrfect for 20hours of gameplay now with no issues. But i dont understand why i have excess water in that system

[reef dirge]

Fields are most meh location of them all.

[shrewd palm]

[white dawn]

I always strongly advise keeping the fresh + recycled systems totally separate

A la: #math-and-meta message

[ornate saffron]

thats how it is. the loop is separte from the fresh water. the valves purges into a limes stone refinery that turns on as it has the water to do so.

[reef dirge]

Red desert is still, one of the best locations due to presence of almost all rare resources in some quantities on the spot, and flat terrain

[white dawn]

Generally requires some underclocking/overclocking, but it completely bypasses a lot of pipe problems

Could start a #1038092680493801533 thread with images of the piping layout

[ornate saffron]

just deminstarting how i still need to work on my fluid knowledge lol

im learning a lot trolling the Q n A

[wooden minnow]

Thank you. I don't have geothermal yet but I will keep that in mind

[wooden minnow]

Gotcha that's good. P. S. I noticed you're a Futurist, I am too, if you're up for some Futurism discussions I'm interested. Also, I highly recommend Dyson Sphere Program if you haven't played it already. Its a very futuristic, factory builder

[silk ocean]

Yea DSP is quite a cool game

[gloomy oasis]

where do i go to report a sort of annoying game breaking bug?

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @hard ivy

[silk ocean]

The bugsite

[shy mulch]

I LOVE BUGS. YUM YUM FOR MY TUM. EXTRA PROTIEN

[visual harness]

@ornate saffron your blueprint is glorious.
Maing thing is that I'm at current using the basic recipe. Is the alternative one better?

[ornate saffron]

i think so. it should be already loaded into the blueprint as long as you dont change it you effectively have it

[lament niche]

Futurist? what's that

[silk ocean]

THE ONLY GOOD BUG IS A DEAD BUG

[visual harness]

ye, allready have the recipe, just thought that the normal one looked a bit easier when I set mine up

[shy mulch]

One of the reasons I eat them

[silk ocean]

Couldn't resist a Starship Troopers moment

[ornate saffron]

so it looks more complicated until you lay it out as a balanced layout. as you see with tyhat blue print it is super simple. two of those blueprints give you exactly 600 rocketfuel which is the limit of flow in mark 2 pipes\

[nova shale]

why is there an over-abundance of limestone, and sulfer is nowhere to be found?

[lament niche]

I'M DOING MY PART

[cunning siren]

They would eat us if they could so 🤷 fair game right?

[hard ivy]

because there's more limestone than sulfur on the map

[wooden minnow]

Futurists are people who absolutely love to discuss futurism. And futurism consists of a lot of things, essentially what life, technology, politics, finances, the entire world, and so on, would look like in the future. There are many different idealogies and possibilities and some futurists believe in some over the others. They love discussing ultra-modernism. If you're interested, google things like "solarpunk futurism", "cyberpunk futurism", "raypunk", "atompunk", and so on.

[lament niche]

I'm gonna live on the moon

[visual harness]

Yea, I do save a lot of space and time by not having to make the turbo fuel line in that case.
Do you per chance have any tips for mass deconstruction lol

[ornate saffron]

the only tip i have is build with blueprints when you can. that way you can disassemble blueprints as a whole rather then the separate parts. I view it as making my own assets for the game. I have a creative mode file with fly enabled. and no build costs so i can just build decor and layouts casually

but that style is not for everyone

[ornate saffron]

dont forget to overclock your nitrogen fracking so you have the total pressure required

I often forget that step

[silk ocean]

Satisfactory. Tonight. All net. All channels.

[ornate saffron]

would you like to know more>?

[lament niche]

@wooden minnow you laugh at me now, but in 2-3 decades it will be me with the last laugh

[ornate saffron]

ill be dead in 2 decades lol

[wooden minnow]

in 2-3 decades you will need to buy my subscription to even fly near the moon

[visual harness]

ok, so it does seem like using this recipe would make ~800 less rocket fuel compared to my current setup (using 540 oil for 2k rocket fuel)

[lament niche]

(x) to doubt

X

[wooden minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-vector-minion-ooh-yeah-gif-5629902

you will see.

[lament niche]

and when it doesn't happen you'll owe me $500 USD

[visual harness]

but you did give me ideas on how to significantly improve my current logistic situation for my production line

[wooden minnow]

sure. in 2-3 decades inflation would make it equivalent of just 5 dollars so i dont mind

[ornate saffron]

that recipe makes 2400 rocket fuel per 600 oil

[visual harness]

it does? I might have scuffed my math

[gloomy oasis]

is there anyone else ingame that could try before i submit a sort of annoying gamebug?
wanna know if its just my end...

[visual harness]

oh shit, you're right my bad

[ornate saffron]

each blueprint only uses 75 oil. so you use it 8 times to use 600 oil

i split them into batches of 2 to make spliting easier in my head

[visual harness]

apolegies, was too quick when running the numbers

[solemn edge]

hi

[ornate saffron]

its no bother. I make mistakes its good to check math

[ornate saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-gif-13062150862685254762

[lament niche]

silence, cyberpunkist

[lament niche]

embed fail

[wooden minnow]

make me (sorry your profile picture made me say that)

To be honest I like solarpunk more than cyberpunk

But I also really like cyberpunk so you're not wrong

[shy mulch]

why not just say what the bug is first, then anyone who feels like answering or testing it can do so, rather than waiting for people to engage without knowing what they are getting themselves into

[wooden minnow]

@ornate saffron I replied to you in #off-topic-media but looks like we cant chat there. IT WENT HARD. HOLY FUCK. I loved it.

Thank you for telling me

[ornate saffron]

i got a feeling youd dig

[wooden minnow]

I dug

[lament niche]

hey @white dawn is it possible to handcraft bauxite into aluminum ingots?

[digital sonnet]

Hey guys I got a quick question. I have a conveyor floor hole and want to build a lift starting from the top, going down. But when I place it, it snaps to the hole but can only go up. Am I missing something?

[gloomy oasis]

oh lawl, guess i forgot to include that at bottom of message
lining up 4-8 refineries for example and selecting a recipe on the first one followed by the Ctrl+C and doing Shift + movement inbetween each Ctrl+V
breaks ur number keys so u have to save and reload

[shy mulch]

Hmm, I use copy paste for recipes all the time, and also use my num keys all the time, and never had this issue

[carmine panther]

i found a peak way too speed glitch :D

[ornate saffron]

why are you holding shift? just trying to get a full picturew

[gloomy oasis]

cause hovering without is super slow

[ornate saffron]

oh, i have toggle on so i tap on and off.

[ornate saffron]

maybe that fixes the issue tempararly

[charred sandal]

Im building my oil processing factory about 100m higher than where the oil is.

Am I gonna have big problems? Will enough pumps make it ok?

[ornate saffron]

options-controls-general-hold to sprint uncheck the box to make it a toggle

[ornate saffron]

two mark 2 pumps will get you there. I suggest you go a little higher though so you can feed your lines from above

[charred sandal]

Yeah? I was wondering if that would even make a difference....why would it?

[ornate saffron]

Not sure why but i found that if you always feed fluids from above it eleminates a lot of issues. maybe back wash and such. it doesnt slosh back into your pipeline

[charred sandal]

Aight. Ill do it

[hard ivy]

it's the only thing I consistently do and I basically never have issues

[charred sandal]

So like. If the fluids were coming from an even surface, would you still go up and then down

[ornate saffron]

I hope my screenshot helps

[warm pendant]

is it possible to get blueprints from downloaded files?

[ornate saffron]

yes

[charred sandal]

It helps for my set up, but would you still do it if the fluid was coming from a level surface

[warm pendant]

do i need to unlock the blueprint from coupon shop to use them?

[ornate saffron]

yes, i try to always fill from above. i try to desgin things so that my fluids always fill from above

[charred sandal]

Kk ty

[ornate saffron]

you need to make one blueprint for the game to make the directories in the save files. after that you can drag and drop blueprints in file explorer

[hard ivy]

I would go up before the entire manifold and then down to each machine individually

[ornate saffron]

this is the output for my alumni solution #screenshots

[warm pendant]

aight thankss

[lone adder]

does anyone know how to play on the world that was featured on the stream earlier

[ornate saffron]

i imagine you need to acquire the save file and drop it in the appropriate directory

[lone adder]

do you know where to get the file

[ornate saffron]

i know the directory it needs to go to. However, I have no clue what stream you are talking about. I dont watch streams generally

[stray field]

Is there only one map? But every spawn is different? Or is there multiple maps like Minecraft?

[lone adder]

on the dev stream

[ornate saffron]

One map four diffrent spawn loacations

[stray field]

Oh ok thanks

[lone adder]

and i know how to download a map, i was just wondering if anyone in the channel knew how to participate it looks really cool

[ornate saffron]

No idea, if they even release such things maybe put this in #1038092680493801533

[stray field]

Can u get like customs maps? Or not?

[ornate saffron]

I have not looked but im sure they exist as the game has a big modding seen

[hard ivy]

If somebody bothers to make one? Sure. So far, nobody did (afaik)

[stray field]

Okay thank u both of you

[ornate saffron]

you are always ion the Pulse. love it

[stray field]

Appreciate it

[leaden turret]

people have made them for years

[ornate saffron]

@stray field the grasslands are great for first timers

[stray field]

Okay thanks

I haven't played im waiting for consoel

But I was just wondering

Thanks

Sorry to bother but last question
How many hrs would u say till u like beat the game?

[sick agate]

So, new gamemodes

[zenith pecan]

I personally prefer the dune desert as my starting point.

[ornate saffron]

@stray field the fact you are in the discord pulling for information before the game releases on your perfered plateform shows that you have the mind set required for the game lol

[stray field]

Lol I really like factory games loll i wanna do engineering/ Factory job.in the future so yea but really really enjoy games like this

[ornate saffron]

i like it too, BUT i think i prefer the Highlands. the start has so many pure nodes and oil right there. I made a mega factory for personal use items and everything up to phase 4. now ill make a gigafactory somewhere as that's one of the goal this run

[stray field]

I don't have pc so never played this game bef only seen vids

[ornate saffron]

i hope the console release is as good as the PC. I also hope they allow Keyboard and mouse controls. I cant imagine playing on controller ( i know many prefer it )

[leaden turret]

not at launch

[stray field]

I don't think playing on controller would be thst bad would be good i feel like and kbm won't be on release

[zenith pecan]

Depends entirely on what you're used to, I'm truly terrible with a controller.

[stray field]

Im used to controller
I don't play kbm at all

[ornate saffron]

ima old quake player so i prefer KBandM for all 1st person games. rpgs and 3rd person gets a controller.

[wary osprey]

i cant wait till next week when i can play it. on xbox

[mystic oriole]

Same here

[zenith pecan]

I still have original Quake cd 😁

[stray field]

Have u played it before? On pc at all?
I can't wait tho

[wary osprey]

never, befor

before

[dim cradle]

I play on controller when I'm in my room it's okay but the nobelisk controls are really dumb

[ornate saffron]

@pearl geyser i love how starts are so cute and simple. (i mean that)

[dim cradle]

like R+L thumbstick to detonate...

[ornate saffron]

@stray field @wary osprey maybe you to should play together. suffer and learn as a team

[zenith pecan]

I do wonder if my old gamesave would load on a console (keeping in mind optimisations and simple objects)

[wary osprey]

yea, i love factory games on xbox so this should be fun

[zenith pecan]

It used to need 47gb of ram to load at the end of early access 🤣

[pearl geyser]

thx appreciate it

[zenith pecan]

How much ram does a modern console even have?

[wary osprey]

16 GB, I just got a PC and that is what it has to

[zenith pecan]

😱

[wary osprey]

What

[zenith pecan]

Yeah, I couldn't play on console based soley on its limited ram, it would explode with the way I build 🥶

[wary osprey]

No, actually I play factory game all the time and it runs smoothly no matter how big it gets

[ornate saffron]

both ps5 and xbox seris x has 16gb

My home pc has 128gb and my laptop runs 64gb

[wary osprey]

What the heck

[ornate saffron]

i think 16gb is fine for the average gamer

[ornate saffron]

i do 3d rendering lol its not specificly for this game

[wary osprey]

O, ok

[zenith pecan]

Imho, 32gb is the best bang for the buck for most gaming machines, and not expensive, mine has 64 due to video editing.

[shrewd palm]

everybody gangsta till the 1 billion terrabytes of ram blender cube rolls up

[ornate saffron]

perspective matters ^_^

[wary osprey]

@zenith pecan

[dim cradle]

#screenshots message

I think I've more or less discovered all of the properties of the sloop beam.

• No fall damage while ragdolling

• Landing in water makes you actually able to walk underwater

• It completely cancels any momentum you have and launches you outwards from the center of the beam at a sort of set velocity

• It takes precedence over any other interactions, you can't go across it even super fast to try to get into another pipe (well, or my speed isn't high enough lol).

Side note I'm not sure what I'm actually playing anymore, I've used up hours giggling like an idiot while throwing myself into a glowing beam.

[wary osprey]

Lol

[zenith pecan]

Shame my old save was broken by 1.0, that had a history of crashed pcs.

[wary osprey]

Put that in English

[latent meadow]

the desert for truck or tractors is abusotly horriable

[wary osprey]

“Oh wow, what was going on with that save? Did it actually crash your PC a lot

[zenith pecan]

Not mine thankfully, but most people who tried to load it had insufficient ram, some slogged at 1-2 fps.

[wary osprey]

Holly crap

But also, didn't they say that you may lose you world when 1.o came out

[zenith pecan]

It used to need 47gb to even load (before 1.0 changed objects)

[wary osprey]

Dang

[ornate saffron]

builds can get insane. depenedse on ther player and what they want to get out of it.

[dim cradle]

You can also beat all phases by making one or two puny builders that are underfed while just leaving the game running

[zenith pecan]

My old save was set to a controlled shutdown, that way if I really wanted to, I could fix it, I started a new one using lessons learned instead.

[wary osprey]

O

[dim cradle]

Anyway this is gonna be crazy but I guess I'm going to try to make a factory that runs off of nothing but sloops and geothermal vents

no oil power somehow maybe

[zenith pecan]

Power in my post 1.0 save is pretty much secure, I'll never use all of it.

[dim cradle]

When my friend and I got to nuclear it was like over 3 years ago

a lot of these QoL features weren't around. I'm just gonna go pure solo this save

[ornate saffron]

i got 6000mw of power from geothermal at its low point without output manipulation

[dim cradle]

According to the wiki that's not possible

https://satisfactory.fandom.com/wiki/Geothermal_Generator

[zenith pecan]

I might still burn all the uranium, should push power past 2tw when combined with my current.

[dim cradle]

I'm guessing due to the asynchronous nature of each vent you're probably hitting high points on many of them while low points on others so it's averaging out

[ornate saffron]

i mean connecting all the geothermal modes accros the entire map

[dim cradle]

you'll never hit a true low

Yeah that's what the wiki calcs

[wary osprey]

o

[dim cradle]

it's a range of 3.5-10.65 across all 31 sources in the game

[ornate saffron]

cool, i never put any testing i just coonected all the geothermal nodes (plus 15biomass burners) and read the number over 15minutes

[dim cradle]

Yeah idk if they all operate off of a synchronized 1 min cycle or if the game puts in some randomness into it, I don't think they'll all ever hit their high or low at the same time

[ornate saffron]

its not something i care about just telling you what i remember. Memory is shitty to begin with so you are likely right

[dim cradle]

Not something worth remembering, geothermal just sucks

[ornate saffron]

i just didnt want to build coal. so i connected all the geothermal nodes lol

[heavy anvil]

why didnt you want to build coal

coal is beautiful

[ornate saffron]

which is even a bigger waste then just using coal lol

[zenith pecan]

My old game had all the geothermal trickle charging 7200 power stores, my current game doesn't use them al all.

[ornate saffron]

just didnt want to. no reason i just always do and i wanted something diffrent this time

[dim cradle]

Must have been annoying keeping everything running off of bio lo

[heavy anvil]

how long does it take to unlock geo thermal? isnt that in the caterium tree

[dim cradle]

I think you can find a lot of the stuff for it out of crash sites if you just want to unlock

[ornate saffron]

i dont know i always rush harddrives and the mam

[dim cradle]

The real power move would be to just ignore all of the power and just use crash site findings somehow to use nothing but sloop power, no actual power production ever

[ornate saffron]

lol you do you. one day if i need a change ill keep this in mind

[dim cradle]

Oh I ain't doing it.

[heavy anvil]

i think thats impossible

[dim cradle]

That's gonna be a massive pain. Imagine getting to crash sites safely with no platform production lo

[heavy anvil]

you need steel to unlock the power matrix

like 6 steel pipes per sam fluctuator and you need like 300 or smth

[true mulch]

please don't link the old wiki
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Geothermal_Generator

[zenith pecan]

Urgh people still look at fandom? 🤦‍♂️

[heavy anvil]

fandom is an ad infest black hole

[dim cradle]

I dunno I have umatrix and ublock and everything under the sun, I get nothing on it

I just like how it has the in depth alternate recipe analysis

I don't think I usually see that on the wiki.gg version

[leaden turret]

that's not teh wiki, that's the abandoned formerly lying ad-laden trashfire

[dim cradle]

a wiki* lol

Are the alternate recipe analyses on it bad?

[leaden turret]

well there's a reason they were removed from the new wiki

[true mulch]

it's not only about the ads but the fact that it's plain outdated

not maintained past update 7

[dim cradle]

That does explain why I couldn't find the new power lines on it, tho their geothermal numbers are exactly the same

[charred sandal]

#screenshots message

Anyone know why this is happening? The segments both start at the exact same length away from the wall

[true mulch]

I recommend installing the redirect extension if you wish to use Google search to access the wiki (opposed to bookmarking) https://www.wiki.gg/redirect

[ornate saffron]

happens to me too. I just place the wall mount first then connect

[dim cradle]

Btw is there a way to angle hypertubes to go straight up

I didn't really use them much before, it's kinda fun lol

[charred sandal]

thx

[leaden turret]

wall-mounted tube supports

[true mulch]

you can ctrl+scroll between the first and second click of a HT support to angle it, but not sure if it can go straight up
otherwise wall supports

[hard ivy]

you can just angle a regular support

[latent meadow]

are rocks in the desert not able to be blown up by the Nobelisk

[true mulch]

if nobelisks don't destroy it, no

[dim cradle]

nobelisk only destroys specific things. Most trees, those poison rocks, and walls/rocks/floor with visible cracks in it

[true mulch]

some rocks are considered "foliage" and the chainsaw will remove them too if you cut nearby trees

otherwise the terrain cannot be manipulated

[leaden turret]

-# petrified shrubbery

[dim cradle]

knights who say nope

Yeah on second thought maybe desert is the best starting place in the game, not really many giant spiders nearby. Those things are garbage.

[latent meadow]

i rather take the spiders

then dealing with the creatures and landscape

espicaly ealyer game needing to at least start with trucks

[dim cradle]

I've never used trucks...

[hard ivy]

keep it that way lol

[dim cradle]

The desert has so much pure iron and stone that like... just make floors everywhere...

Will admit the landscape kind of sucks tho

Giant spiders are god awful tho, 50 meter leap like... wtf

Even if you're abusing plats you have to be way higher than you think

[cunning siren]

Here is my solution... Panic Room Tower of DOOOOOOM! ™ #screenshots message

[dim cradle]

Giving me some Aqua in Konosuba vibes

[cunning siren]

There is a quartz deposit in Dune desert that will not mine 😭

I smash E and nothin'

[agile nimbus]

I hate screws already ive only just started playing this game man why are they used for everything 😭

[frail sleet]

That's also serving both RAM and VRAM

[frail sleet]

why do you hate them

[hard ivy]

Good news! After you get to tier 3, you'll be able to stop making them completely if you want to

[agile nimbus]

Oh my that sounds like a dream
@frail sleet im having to use most of my iron on them leaving me without enough for things like steel :(

im using all the iron nodes my scanner picks up too

[frail sleet]

your scanner will only show you the closest ones

there's some 70,000 iron per min on the map total

[hard ivy]

3 closest clusters to be specific

[agile nimbus]

Im using 7

I wish i had friends who play this game I am spending hours on just one problem at a time

[dim cradle]

each iron has a purity which impacts its rate fwiw

[agile nimbus]

yea I only just realised that

[zenith pecan]

Eek!

[agile nimbus]

nearest coal node is 700m away yikes

[dim cradle]

I think if you started in the grasslands, the ones in the grasslands are kinda meh

yeah in the desert the nearest coal is pretty far too

[agile nimbus]

Yea i started in the grasslands

[dim cradle]

It's pretty and has a lot of other upsides though

no biggie

[agile nimbus]

yea i have trucks unlocked now i might use them to haul the coal

plus i have 6 coal plants and ive got 4 storage containers backed up with coal over there too so i could use that

[dim cradle]

let me know how you like trucks, I'm morbidly curious

[agile nimbus]

I like the idea of them

one should be enough for a pure node

[dim cradle]

uh idk lol

[agile nimbus]

im still at mk1 miners so i wont be making huge amounts of steel yet

[dim cradle]

but anyway yeah with a mk1 belt you can run a max of 4 coal plants off 1 coal

[agile nimbus]

i have 3 mines running into 6 plants currently on mk2 belts

excess is going into storage and i got 3 containers full

[dim cradle]

then you might be underutilizing

[candid torrent]

are u using regular steel or solid steel

[agile nimbus]

600wph capacity currently only using 300

[agile nimbus]

i havent started making it yet

im stuck on how to lay my factory out

[candid torrent]

solid steel has really nice pretty math it’s my preferred way to make it

[agile nimbus]

ive never played the game before this is my first time

[candid torrent]

oh got u

[dim cradle]

I got lazy during phase 2 and just like... put one max overclocked constructor on my iron ingots to make the iron pipes

[agile nimbus]

currently all my iron is going into mass production of plates and rods and screws so i can spam reinforced plates and rotors but now i realise that its not enough iron

[dim cradle]

and then I had iron pipes ready but I just threw 10 steel into 520 screws

[agile nimbus]

so i either need to go get more nodes or sacrifice some of my iron

im currently using 7 nodes of iron and its not enough

I need to find someone to play this game with lol

[dim cradle]

I think you need to look at the ratios and balance your stuff based on that

[agile nimbus]

I dont even know what i need stuff for

[dim cradle]

Eh doesn't matter just build out whatever you need as you get to it

Unlike factorio nothing in this is too limited

[dim cradle]

Every resource can churn out forever, so worst case you can just leave the game on and go to sleep

[mystic urchin]

Question
Why does the orbital station above the space elevator feel like it's glued to the same spot even when you are on the other side of the map?
Like the elevator itself is clearly far away, but the station is still pretty much in the direct center of the screen when looking directly up from any part of the map

[agile nimbus]

im now realising i could have built my iron smelting differently and now might need to tear it down again lol

[dim cradle]

Well for one it's huge, 2 the lazy way to do skies is to just kind of make them semi static

[agile nimbus]

what does the timed tag mean in lfg

[peak wasp]

is this a big enough room?

#screenshots message

[zenith pecan]

Probably not.

[ornate saffron]

you can fit roughly 54 fuel generators in there?

[zenith pecan]

The only reason I say that is from bitter experience, use machines to roughly lay out the space you'll use then build around that rather that build the room first.

[peak wasp]

Well there are 8 in each row and already so that's 24 already

[agile nimbus]

This doesnt make sense, mk2 conveyor can handle 120 items per minute, so why do they fill out when loading 90 items per minute on them and begin to back up

[peak wasp]

So if I had to estimate maybe 150 generator's

[hard ivy]

probably because you're not removing 120/min from it

[agile nimbus]

Its going into storage

[willow storm]

is it me or that's horrifying

[hard ivy]

then you have a mk1 segment somewhere

[ornate saffron]

width times length. so 8x ? and i dont know how many you need to fit in there, my rocket fuel uses 232 generators. not sure if that helps at all

[agile nimbus]

i shouldnt do i just replaced the entire thing with mk2

[peak wasp]

120 for my current power setup

[zenith pecan]

Sometimes a one metre section of mk1 can be left behind inside a splitter, those are a complete pain to track down.

[agile nimbus]

like i can see gaps in the conveyor where it can all go on but its backing up at the mergers

[peak wasp]

That would make about 30,000mw

[dim cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/aqua-aqua-sad-aqua-konosuba-gif-20932986

btw the aqua gif I was referencing lol

tho you probably don't watch this stuff

[agile nimbus]

but i built it all with mk2 conveyors i didnt have any mk1 down originally

[cunning siren]

I'm letting ADA know how I'm sinking ballistic warp drives AND phase 5 is still not done 😆 Suck on THAT ADA!

[dim cradle]

I didn't even bother with mk2, I just went to mk3

mk1 seems enough for when you have it

[peak wasp]

Yeah Ada is a traitorous bitch...running off with a bunch of aliens

So yeah had it coming

[cunning siren]

Oh dang, IDK that was the lore. Seems to fit

[flint grail]

Nooooo, the calculator site down again

Right when I needed it

[zenith pecan]

Oh yeah, bad gateway.

[flint grail]

Ok, there we go

[cunning siren]

I use local calc / planner tool, handy to have something that runs local

Less stuff to "go wrong"

[dim cradle]

I just yolo calc everything

I'm assuming you need this SAM stuff a lot later on in the tech right?

I've got 2 pures and 1 normal belted back to base rn, but it's just sinking off of slooped constructors

[cunning glade]

When would a main bus really stop working I'm assuming phase 3/4

[white dawn]

You can operate on a "main bus" framework through the whole game, if you want. It just starts becoming a colossal PITA due to the scale of resources needed and the relative slowness of individual belts

[cunning glade]

Would I myself no I'm watching someone use one and it hurts

[white dawn]

But folks have certainly done bus-based playthroughs and enjoyed doing it

The general consensus around channel regulars here is "don't bother, it's not worth it," but so long as you're having fun, have at it. :)

[vague cliff]

Does anyone know why I can't seem to change my resolution? it's stuck at 1920x1080, while my monitor is 1440p

[zenith pecan]

Whenever I see a bus mentioned, my first thoughts turn to mass transit, not beltwork 🤣

[cunning glade]

Fair enough he seems too be having some fun idk

[white dawn]

On my own first playthrough I was following basically none of the advice I tend to give out to other folks nowadays, and I still had a blast. In the end, having fun's the important bit!

[dim cradle]

Is it that bad? I'm assuming you'd just put the bus on a floor by itself and then split when you need to, otherwise should be pretty similar to any other method?

[cunning glade]

Its a blind playthrough but he has a Factorio mindset since he's played that before

[white dawn]

The problem is the volume of resources needed plus the relative slowness of belts. You're frequently having to upgrade and build more belt density and there's enough different types of resources that it just quickly becomes a nightmare

[dim cradle]

🤔 I must be thinking of the wrong def of bus, seems like that's pretty similar to anything else tbh

[white dawn]

And yeah, players who try for a bus design often come from Factorio, where a bus design tends to work pretty well. But keep in mind that the slowest Factorio belt is faster than the fastest Satisfactory belt. (Although as of Satisfactory 1.0 I think that might only be true when you factor in Space Age DLC)

[cunning glade]

Main bus is u have the main types of resources all on one set of belts and then u just use what's needed when it's need from a belt

[white dawn]

And again, it's not like you can't get it to work. But the maintenance and expansion becomes a nightmare, IMO

[cunning glade]

Yesh the belts are so much faster I find the factory side of factorio easier

[dim cradle]

.... I mean as long as you can have multiple belts per resource, I don't see how that would be any different from most normal setups

Now if you mean one belt per resource, that would be pretty bad yeah

[cunning glade]

He currently has a 30 belt system

And it's basically one resource per belt

It seems kinda slow so far

[dim cradle]

yeah that's gonna be bad

[cunning glade]

But we will see how phase 4 will treat him

[cunning glade]

Kinda what I'm thinking

[dim cradle]

I mean mathematically it just doesn't make sense, one slightly overclocked mk2 miner can easily overload a single belt

[mystic oriole]

There are advantages and disadvantages to sushi belts.

[cunning glade]

Its not a sushi belt

Its a main bus

[mystic oriole]

yikes

[cunning glade]

One resource per belt

[mystic oriole]

main bus can stay in Factorio.

[cunning glade]

I agree

[cunning siren]

The assumption is false so 🤷

[peak wasp]

Do you guys wanna see my abomination then

[latent meadow]

it really is kind of horrifying tbh

[mystic oriole]

sure why not

[dim cradle]

Lol I made a sushi belt as my first base in factorio, mainly because I was just too lazy to actually build #off-topic-media message

[peak wasp]

#screenshots message

[dim cradle]

I probably would have won... eventually

[mystic oriole]

Not as bad as I thought TBH

[dim cradle]

That just looks normal to me

[charred sandal]

How do you clear the planner? Or even remove an item from the list..

[dim cradle]

you're using multiple belts per resource

[cunning glade]

Well not stop working but being slower than it already is

[peak wasp]

Lol that'll lead to my rocket fuel factory and bring it down to....THE ROOM

[cunning siren]

That assumption is also false

[peak wasp]

THE ROOM!!!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1432804314077724834/image.png?ex=69026280&is=69011100&hm=86ce173cad9977802ae6ecfd4129b9aeed4bc31daceddd5eb044dffd0b05acdd&

[dim cradle]

Like to me "main bus" just means you have a main central area with all of the resources...

"one track per resource" is a stipulation that doesn't need to happen

as long as you don't do that, isn't it just a way of organization?

[cunning glade]

Well u need quite a lot of resources and he already doesn't have enough

But I also build big so

[cunning siren]

Well, yea if you don't have the resources or practice to do something then it's gonna be hard

[cunning glade]

It's def inefficient

[cunning siren]

Thats how things work

[cunning glade]

I just hate how inefficient it is

[dim cradle]

Again if you have multiple belts per resource, how is it really any different from most other building styles

It's just bad if you try to have one belt per resource

[mighty canopy]

Can anyone join my server to see if you can get through? ill dm you the ip

[shrewd palm]

to save scum in this game i just have to save and then reroll the hard drives right, and then reload if i dont get what i want

or do you have to replace saves in the files or something

[dim cradle]

nah you can do that if you want

works

[hard ivy]

just save, rescan, reload save

[dim cradle]

isn't that what they said

[shrewd palm]

huge

[latent meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/satisfactory-factory-cart-cart-ficsit-gif-24911047

[shrewd palm]

i should be able to get the polymer resin fabric recipe in phase 3 right

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch fabric

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=fabric

[shrewd palm]

gonna be here for a minute it looks like

would be cool if they let us infinitely rescan again but make it a 10 minute wait or something

[hard ivy]

wait are you trying to get polyester fabric from a HDD?

[charred sandal]

I need 400 water/m x4 pods.

Does it really matter how I do it?

Is there an advantage to filling up 2x600 pipes and splitting one of them (and then doing the final 400 seperate)

Or should I just make 4x 400 pipes (Is it better to use 3 extractors with 1 overclocked, or 4 extractors with 1 underclocked?)

[shrewd palm]

yes

[hard ivy]

that's gonna take a while then kekw

[shrewd palm]

yes

[hard ivy]

totally unrelated link btw
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/MAM#Mycelia

[shrewd palm]

that would uh

ty

[dim cradle]

does parachute stop horizontal velocity too or just vertical

[shrewd palm]

well at least i now have everything for a recycling loop

gonna try and go for the good hmf recipe and then i'll go back to something sane

[small pebble]

Where do yall have a favorite starting spot?

[frail sleet]

the only thing that stops horizontal velocity is counteracting movement input or hitting walls. It's not even affected by drag

[dim cradle]

all my canon parachute dreams

then again... hmm.

I wonder if the half pipes would help

[turbid merlin]

Honestly. I’ve been liking the dune desert start this run

Nice cluster of nodes

[small pebble]

Is that top right?

[azure ferry]

My mouse wont work what do i do

[dim cradle]

I wish I could comment but I only did the grasslands 3 years ago and now I'm in the desert

haven't tried beach

and the other one

resource wise desert is great tho

[cunning siren]

OH yea, Dune is nice for a few reasons

[turbid merlin]

Top left

[cunning siren]

Northern Forest @ -40 -140 is fun IMO

[turbid merlin]

Oh rocky desert is what I mean

I’ve done rocky desert start this run

[cunning siren]

Oh rocky, ok

[small pebble]

Oh yeah I like top left

[mystic oriole]

My favorite place to start.

[dim cradle]

are there diff start areas in each biome?

[shrewd palm]

grassy fields, specifically in that little spot in the middle with the 3 normal iron nodes

[shrewd palm]

theres a general area where you'll get dropped in each starting biome

[cunning siren]

Not officially but kind of

[weak axle]

Dune Desert, there's some good coal setups there and also if you set up in the right spot you can have a pretty good base and easy access to the oil fields on the other side of the plateau

[dim cradle]

The area with the copper on the cliff and a couple of lime on opposite sides?

that's where we did grassland lol

pretty sure that area is pretty much intended...

[shrewd palm]

sort of, right in here (basically where the train is) #screenshots message

3 iron nodes at the base of the cliff, limestone to the left and right, and copper on top of the cliff by the far limestone

[turbid merlin]

That’s where I normally start

[turbid merlin]

That where the cluster of pure node is on the cliff edge is basically?

[cunning siren]

Ye

The cliff is a good spot to build down / up in

[native tapir]

Yo

[cunning siren]

Most folk don't take advantage of that

[dim cradle]

I don't know it on the map but I know how it looks and it sounds like the spot

[mystic oriole]

thought I'd update my hrs on my profile there

[dim cradle]

I think almost everyone would start there lol

I know we did

it's just cozy

#screenshots message This is where I put my base in the desert think someone said it was dune

[mystic oriole]

I did try to start there once, it was ok, but I keep looking at the rocky desert. I don't feel bad ripping it up. Unlike the oasis in the dune desert. or anywhere else.

[mystic oriole]

dune desert

[dim cradle]

I settled near the water because I knew I'd need it

[autumn lantern]

does it matter how the priority power switch is connected? like does it matter if the grid is connected to a or b?

[mystic oriole]

nope

[whole drum]

Northern Forest has definitely been the best start, now that I've tried all of them

There isn't a resource that isn't near you

Some of the wildlife can be a little more dangerous than usual, but that's about the only challenging aspect

You can encounter poison spiders and rad hogs while you're still on basic rebar gun, for example

But they aren't in your base

You just have to be cautious when exploring

[wicked nacelle]

starting a new save 😕 I'm going to process every resource in its own location.

I'm going to make each have their own train line for coagulation

[whole drum]

There are some severe limitations to that approach

Namely that a lot of recipes need various resources

[wicked nacelle]

yeah I'm just going to centralize each raw resource

[whole drum]

But if you want to use trains, I think any starting area that is not the Forest is good

[wicked nacelle]

all iron ore processing will happen in one place, for example.

starting from scratch.. but playing at 5x speed 🙂

[whole drum]

Well, when you get recipes like turning iron into steel pipes, or combining it with coal to make steel in general, that can get a little messy

[dim cradle]

sigh love how my xbox controller right joystick is going out, had to set the dead zone to like 0.75-0.8 just to get it to stop looking up

wonder if the ribbon cable is loose on it, might need to open it up

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, I'm going to end up with some long trains for delivering things like iron ingots

[whole drum]

I think that idea gains a lot more validity once you have drones

[wicked nacelle]

that doesn't sound like the cause of that symptom\

[whole drum]

Deadzone issues are usually just from the joystick wearing out or the connecters getting dirty

[dim cradle]

Nah I've had that happen on a vita before, too. a loose ribbon cable might mean it's basically shorting to 0 0 easily

but yeah could be other things

[mystic oriole]

processing all iron in one location is nice for a single biome but can be a hassle for the whole map.

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, I'm kind of to the point where if it's not a hassle I've already done it 3 times already

[mystic oriole]

ah, so you like challenges eh?

[small pebble]

5x speed???

[whole drum]

Modded, probably

[small pebble]

Didn’t know there was a mod for that 😂

[wicked nacelle]

not modded per se- there's a program called "cheat engine" where you just pick your game and tell it to run at an arbitrary speed

[small pebble]

Oh ya duh

[wicked nacelle]

it hooks in to the running process

[mystic oriole]

So a different tick speed?

[small pebble]

Rip your computer late game

[whole drum]

5x sounds excessive still

[wicked nacelle]

I think it actually replaces the clock call at the OS level? but I don't know

the game thinks the tick speed is the same

[dim cradle]

lol what's your CPU

[whole drum]

Spiders will run at you and attack like SC2 marines with stimpacks

[small pebble]

Like cracked out zerglings

[wicked nacelle]

9800x3d

[dim cradle]

Okay a 9800X3D might do it

[whole drum]

Yeah, zerglings with full campaign upgrades

[dim cradle]

I dunno how much parallelism this game has that it would or wouldn't take advantage of a 9950X3D

[wicked nacelle]

myt previous save is cpu bound... but a fresh game is essentailly 0% cpu

[dim cradle]

but afaik the X3D line is the best you can get for factory games and the 9800/9950X3D are top of the pack

What about your ram, tune it any?

[wicked nacelle]

9800x3d is within 5% of the fastest stuff and it doesn't suffer from all the "well these cores are good for X and these cores are good for Y and make sure you don't run the wrong stuff in the wrong place"

just to 6000MT... nothing fancy -- on the RAM

[whole drum]

Yeah, I have a 7800X3D and it has no issue with this game even in full multiplayer unless people are spamming huge blueprints at the same time

[dim cradle]

they pretty much fixed that anyway

[wicked nacelle]

well apparently there's some new fresh stuff with BF6 and the kernel anticheat... buta nyhow, I don't have anything that needs more than 8 cores

[shrewd palm]

kernel anticheats my beloved (why are these even a thing)

[wicked nacelle]

because a few assholes ruin a game for everyone else

[whole drum]

They seriously should never have been a thing, and shouldn't stay a thing

[dim cradle]

need to give those hackers another severe exploit vector

[wicked nacelle]

if you want a competitive reaction-based PvP game you have to have them now.

[shrewd palm]

any kind of major cheating problem can be solved without giving an anticheat that much access to your device

[whole drum]

I switched to Linux because Windows was getting too invasive. Games don't need to be doing that either.

[shrewd palm]

at least in my experience anyways

[wicked nacelle]

if it's not kernel/boot loader time then the cheat can shim something in before your anticheat that lies to your anticheat

[whole drum]

People can still cheat around them. It just takes a little more effort.

[wicked nacelle]

and server side "behavior only" type of stuff is challenging to tell who is good and who is cheating....

I don't play those games and if I did I'd have a VLAN and a dedicated computer for it

I stopped playing league when they added it

[dim cradle]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/low-effort-rank-77403831

I'm not sure how much it matters for satisfactory, but for some easy gains you can try these too.

@_@

[whole drum]

Competitive PvP has really lost its appeal for me either way

Cheaters and Ranked are both toxic to those games

[wicked nacelle]

me too, but for many it's addicting.

[whole drum]

It used to be for me

But the fun was sucked out of it

[severe sun]

im currently halfway trough phase two, any ideas on what i could or should do?

[wicked nacelle]

just follow your MAM and HUB goals - it walks you through the game

[shrewd palm]

sbmm did it for me i think

i was never that big into competitive shooters but i did used to enjoy making up a new build or whatever and screwing around with it

[mystic oriole]

Modernized Gladiators is my thoughts on the subject.

[shrewd palm]

and you cant exactly do that now that every match in almost every game is a fight to the death to just barely win/lose

[wicked nacelle]

and don't run out of power 🙂 Try to keep your power production 50% above your current actual (not max) consumption

[whole drum]

Cheaters just ruin the game for everyone. Ranked creates a hostile community and secondary industries (like paid coaching, eSports, and shadier ladder "services") that encourage developers to look for ways to monetize you further (like COD manipulating your matchmaking to pressure you into mtx)... It's all so gross.

[wicked nacelle]

I've got no problem with coaching or esports - nothing about that is even video game specific

[severe sun]

got a 4GW coal powerplant already, and a ailen power augmenter (and yes i like to explore)

[dim cradle]

the only time I've had this game crash is when I was using the blueprint machine heavily to make stuff, so I'm guessing there's some memory leaks there

[wicked nacelle]

well then just work towards your next elevator goal 🙂

[whole drum]

Those two things on their own would be okay, but it spawns secondary and tertiary issues that disgust me.

[dim cradle]

by halfway through phase 2 do you mean like the smart wiring and smart plating and that other one?

Because I had like 1.7GW when I finished that and I don't think I was using but half of it even though my max was higher

[severe sun]

i kind of feel overwhelmed and when i try building i factory i kinda become a perfectionist and keep tearing it down, any tips for how i can get over these issues?

[dim cradle]

ig you're building big

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, this game (and all in general) have too many synonyms for different parts of the game 🙂

[crisp jetty]

Download satisfactory modeler

[wicked nacelle]

never tear down. Just move to a different spot. The game is designed so your older stuff will never be "right".

the stuff from your "ugly" factories will build your new and improved ones... which will then turn into ugly factories anyhow 🙂

[dim cradle]

yeah it's just like a difference in nuance for me between "halfway into phase 2" being "I completed the thing to be in phase 2" or phase 2 being where it says "complete phase 2 at the top"

never quite sure what most people mean

[mystic oriole]

just start a new save, I've wasted a good 200 hrs trying to merge old saves together.

[wicked nacelle]

😕

[mystic oriole]

kinda worth it, but I'm done with that process.

[severe sun]

im using it, but only for the machines since i really dislike the clock speeds and the item managment is just an nightmare if you need 124.5 and 47.8 on two different conveyors, which the calc LOVES to do

[whole drum]

I don't agree with this. Your starting base is often near multiple pure nodes. Once you have t4 belts, mk2 miners, and some power cores, you can 3-4x the output of that factory by doing a full tear down and rebuild.

[wicked nacelle]

I'd say just go through a spurt of pushing through objectives and then if you feel the urge then go and clean things up, then go back on pushing objectives

[whole drum]

I just wouldn't do that all the time or anything

[severe sun]

ill try that, thanks

[mystic oriole]

rotate locations around the map.

[dim cradle]

sucks that I can't spend coupons from the dimensional depot 🙁

[wicked nacelle]

I don't do any "cleaning" until I've at least unlocked the hoverpack (which is aluminum tier I think)

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, no "ammo" will pull from there automatically 🙁

[dim cradle]

need to carry it around on me I guess

[wicked nacelle]

you can pull them out and spend them and put them back in

[charred sandal]

Somebody please tell me theres a way to empty out an array of pipes without rebuilding it

[whole drum]

Sucks you can't just spend them from the sink

[wicked nacelle]

flush entire pipeline

make sure you've removed all the producers though

[hard ivy]

Flush it?

[charred sandal]

Oh theres a toggle

[wicked nacelle]

hit e on the pipe then pick ".... yeah

[charred sandal]

I didnt see the toggle. thanks

[small pebble]

I am a tear down guy. I tear my starter down 3-4x lol

Some of that comes from a lack of pre planning

A little bit of a planning and you don’t need to tear down but yolo

[dim cradle]

I've got 35 hdds, think I unlocked crude oil just now. Wonder if I should try to make these recipes better somehow or just keep saving them 🤔

idr what the recipes are at this phase

I think plastic is or will be one soon

[whole drum]

Turning steel plates into screws is an amazing early one

[sturdy mural]

guys will the trains go together if they are following the same path? like if you have 2 stations, a piece of road, and 2 other stations, and are sending the trains between them directly
can one train "trail" after the other?

[mystic oriole]

I'm like 160 Warp Balistic Drive's left to finish this map. A long time coming to do so.

[wicked nacelle]

the 4 key oil recipes are the only ones you have to worry about making sure to get-- beyond that just research the HDDs right away even if you don't pick anything

[sturdy mural]

or will one train wait for the other to get to the station first

[wicked nacelle]

Yes, but you need signals or they'll smack into each other and derail

[sturdy mural]

i put a bunch of paths

and block for stations

[wicked nacelle]

you don't want path signals you want block signals

[sturdy mural]

why??

[wicked nacelle]

path signals are only a slight optimization for some interchanges. path signals require the exit to be clear before a train can go through and aren't what you want 90% of the time and if you don't know where to use a path signal, a block signal will ALWAYS work instead

but path signals won't always work where you need a block signal. So just replace them all with block signals for now and you'll be happier

path signals are like.. where SOMETIMES it's not safe for two trains to use an intersection at the same time but SOMETIMES it is (like if they're both going straight past each other) -- but not if one is turning left and the other is going straight

[sturdy mural]

please no

[wicked nacelle]

uh yes. you dun screwed up if you used all path signals

[sturdy mural]

i rebuilt it like 5 times already

[wicked nacelle]

Use all block signals and if you still have problems I’ll come on to your server and fix it for you

You can fix them in place. You don’t have to tear down anything

Just hover the path signal with a block signal and it will build over it

[sturdy mural]

oh also is it normal that the train schedule is back for like 3 stations

[abstract heron]

I get it only from holograms stuff building or 5 seconds building of item like large ammounts of foundations

[wicked nacelle]

I don’t know what that means

[sturdy mural]

like

train is currently at station #6, going to station #1, is it normal that the Q menu is showing that its at station #3 going to station #4?

[wicked nacelle]

doesn't sound right -- can you post a screenshot here https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057

[dim laurel]

How's Life
Also I'm Convinced You Search This Channel For The Word "Doug" Every So Often

[whole drum]

If it doesn't have a path to bypass them, it will go through them all in sequence to reach its target

[wicked nacelle]

but it won't show up in the schedule

the only bugs with trains right now AFAIK is that sometimes if you put a signal at a split/merge it doesn't work and you have to move it backwards a smudge

and a couple much less frequent ones

[sturdy mural]

yeah you can NOT put signals when 2 tracks split/merge

or it will "loop into itself" (??)

[wicked nacelle]

yes, that's the bug. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. you can rebuild over and over til it works or scootch them back a smudge.

[sturdy mural]

#screenshots message

[wicked nacelle]

the check for that is to hold a signal and see if the color changes at the signal or passes through -- it should always change color around a signal

[sturdy mural]

i personally - with the way i do rails, jsut put it 3/1.5 foundations back depending how much space i got

[mystic oriole]

Very Spicy stop

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, what gilgamesh said -- looks like it has to path through that station to get where it's going

but it shouldn't stop there

[sturdy mural]

wdym "through"
there's no point where a train HAS to go through a station

each has a separate split off to it
unless thats now wym

[crisp jetty]

is there a way to upgrade a smaller storage container into a bigger one, without dismantling?

[wicked nacelle]

the game will decide what the "shortest" path is (in quotes because it's slightly different) to get somewhere and go that route even if it's through a station -- but if the station is out of the way, yeah it won't.

[wicked nacelle]

negatory

[crisp jetty]

r we fr rn

[wicked nacelle]

sorry

[crisp jetty]

ts makes me sad

[sturdy mural]

i mean
just place a bigger storage on the side
dump your stuff
dismantle the small one, place big one, replace the contents to big one
dismantle the side one w/ your stuff

[wicked nacelle]

you sure you don't have a backwards signal somewhere or something? sounds like your trains are fighting against you 😕

[crisp jetty]

too much work for a guy like me

time to reset

[plucky flower]

Cant be that hard

[whole drum]

Time for new game

[wicked nacelle]

stack another 2 small ones on top and put lifts between the in/outs?

[sturdy mural]

put this man to phase 4

NOW

[plucky flower]

Yeah lol

[whole drum]

Sometimes I wish I had a bought to collect the exploration stuff for me

[wicked nacelle]

bot

[sturdy mural]

bot?

[wicked nacelle]

bought

[whole drum]

Ya, bot. I'm fuggin tired, lol.

[plucky flower]

https://tenor.com/view/brody-the-navibot-brody-samsung-navibot-robot-vacuum-robot-vacuums-gif-27021716

[wicked nacelle]

I mean you can go into SCIM and give yourself hard drives and such... or just unlock the recipes

[sturdy mural]

start a multi
I'll slave the resources for you
gimme 2 stacks of rods, bladerunners and a parachute tho

easy

[whole drum]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-samsung-gif-21788441

[sturdy mural]

epic embed fail

[crisp jetty]

this game reminds me of how great america is

[plucky flower]

https://tenor.com/view/stressed-gif-7048057395502071840

[shrewd palm]

so its terrible?

[whole drum]

It's the channel restrictions.

[lime ermine]

This isn't an American made game

[whole drum]

I'd be happy to have some help with it later, but I'm going to bed soon.

[sturdy mural]

guys im so smart
i got confused because my train station broke

i did not set the platforms to unload

[crisp jetty]

industrialization tho

[plucky flower]

Blud is going straight to phase 5 with this

Top tier industrialization

[whole drum]

If it was, we'd have a currency a lot more prolific than coupons, lol

[sturdy mural]

i mean

[crisp jetty]

i feel like this game is like astroneer if the automation in astroneer was actually cool

[sturdy mural]

you have to do stuff for 10 hours to get a cup of coffee

seems right

[whole drum]

I honestly haven't played another automation game where it is as... satisfying to do. Factorio is only 2D and biters are annoying.

[crisp jetty]

da steel factory is complete

[whole drum]

Working with oil is particularly interesting

[crisp jetty]

they should add an update where i can make an apples and bannanas farm

[shrewd palm]

if only the oil in factorio didnt immediately run out from my 200 flamethrowers

[whole drum]

I meant the oil in this game

Oil in this game is one of the few resources where it feels like there's genuine choice in how you go about using it

[cunning siren]

Factorio is way way more hard core than this game IMO. This game does not even have a lose condition 🤷

[shrewd palm]

factorio is casual up until like

[crisp jetty]

i kinda wanna try factorio

[whole drum]

Factorio is good, but it's the 2D aspect that I enjoy a lot less

[crisp jetty]

is there such a thing as a factorio mobile port

[shrewd palm]

you start making really big factories and have to deal with the 2 largest size of biters

[frail sleet]

the dumbest factory player i know beat factorio in a few days (no expansion). It seems way shorter.

[whole drum]

I never got around to beating it. The higher tiers feel pretty tedious.

[cunning siren]

That's a bold claim Cotton

I think you underestimate the "dumbest factory player"

[whole drum]

This too

[shrewd palm]

honestly the biggest progression roadblock is when you want to expand but theres a really large biter nest in the way

outside of that its really chill and you should be able to get everything done with only a little bit of expansion

[cunning siren]

Land mine spam was the "meta" for that, it may have been pached though 🤔

[whole drum]

I did the turret spam cheese, where you drop a bunch of them in front of you, load them with some ammo real quick, then lob grenades yourself

[shrewd palm]

by the time i got around to making a good tank the biters got to the point where i wouldnt have been able to take care of them just by myself unless i spent like an hour going in circles and slowly whittling the nest down

not with a tank anyways

i was trying to get artillery but that was a long ways off so i set up a massive perimeter with flamethrowers and red ammo and then got burnt out when i got a good drone network going

[cunning siren]

In version .16 the biters did not know how to handle certain configurations of belts and would be essentially get "crowd controlled" by them while lazorz slowly chipped them away 😆

[placid stirrup]

Get this Factorio slop outta here

[whole drum]

It's sometimes worth it to build smaller, more densely defended outposts between you and nests so you have early warning and a lot of help with the fight

[sturdy mural]

guys is there a way to have trains wait on a station until there is at least one wagon empty n stuff
like i had it set to "load empty" or smth like that and it just waited because it could not cram copper into a station, but it would be choking the factory because no steel >:(

[crisp jetty]

what resources are needed for trains? i havent bought the milestone yet

[shrewd palm]

lots of steel, computers, modular frames, plastic, rubber, encased beams

[placid stirrup]

Mainly steel, computers, and HMFs iirc

[crisp jetty]

aw hell nah

[shrewd palm]

you need hmfs to unlock them but you dont need them for any building

[placid stirrup]

The wiki can tell you everything or you can just wait to unlock them

[sturdy mural]

modular frames, motors, steel pipes, rubber, wire, steel beams, Encased beams, plastic, and concrete

no HMFs