satisfactory

[leaden turret]

when are they not trolling

that nomenclature would make a high-speed factory cart a hs art

-# which I can't pronounce other than shart

speaking of which, the youtube id for one of this week's clips contains the word "poo"

[shrewd palm]

if they ever do something with more planets they should make a mobile base

it would be a specialized habitation cart

or

[leaden turret]

why need more planets when we've only been on one continent?

[shrewd palm]

a shart

[shrewd palm]

its for the joke okay

[leaden turret]

• add base defense.
• give vehicles hit points
• make factory cart self-heal

a shart

[hard ivy]

Tier 10 technology: B O A T

[slender hatch]

I have officially started my forst rebuild

[cunning siren]

Ability to have doggo jump into truck 🤷 I mean... what doggo does not want to ride in truck?

[silent escarp]

can y'all help me #screenshots

i need to fit them fr, its like 10 guys in 3 holes

[latent meadow]

i running a satisfactory server via amp and when i try to jjjoin it it says encryption token missing now i not trying to run a server from my satisfacotry itself so server manger is not wat i looking for but i not sure why it giving me this error

[versed mesa]

👋

[autumn lantern]

how to build more than one hypertube entrence like this? #screenshots

thanks!!

[placid stirrup]

10 entrances in a row fit nicely in a Mk1 BP and you can get across the map with about 3 of them

There's also the Hadron Collider design

[shrewd palm]

30 is overkill ngl

can get away with about 20 for the whole map i think

[zenith pecan]

166 caused a crash before even leaving the cannon.

[shrewd palm]

the angle of the exit tube has to be correct tho or else you dont seem to get any speed from hypertube cannons

[zenith pecan]

🤷‍♂️

[hard ivy]

Yeah, about that. Even 15 could be enough

[zenith pecan]

My builds are usually ordered, even iv biome swallowingly huge.

[shrewd palm]

i think my cross map hypertube cannon in my old save was 18 and that was more than enough

if you didnt touch the keyboard or anything after entering you'd go well off the map

one person i invited into that save accidentally did that and they got all the way to about here

[clever stone]

Do you guys think it’s worth consolidating the modular frame line of parts into one factory?

[cunning siren]

I mean... with the branch hypertube looper cannon 2 gets the job done 🤷 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIwuDUSZApc

[shrewd palm]

one person i invited into that save accidentally did that and they got all the way to about here#screenshots message

[zenith pecan]

When I get back into it, my current save may just affect gravity.

Though I don't plan on another single loco 400 car train this time.

[shrewd palm]

a how many car train

[lament niche]

checkmate load balancer stans
#design-and-architecture message

[zenith pecan]

Search my post history (I'm on mobile atm 🤮 ), you'll find one train snaking all over the dunes.

New and larger tunnels are growing.

[lament niche]

you've been checkmated on your mazes btw

[shrewd palm]

about how long ago would you say this train happened

[zenith pecan]

You don't have 24gb of vram?

[green perch]

is there any knows tool to move existing vehicle path nodes?

and i mean mods too

[shrewd palm]

i might have overshot

unless this was 2 years ago

[zenith pecan]

This train #satisfactory-experimental message

[shrewd palm]

i was a month away lmao

also that is insane

and it just goes around the entire dunes biome like that?

[zenith pecan]

Yeah it did, the single engine it had managed 13 km/h

[shrewd palm]

the autism crown goes to you my good sir

[zenith pecan]

It was wound into a coil for a physics experiment that near crashed multiple pcs.

Different experiment, the 🇮 🇹 all experiment was belt throughput.

I managed to have saturated mk6 belts flowing without error.

Four of them full of steel ingots leave the blue crater, via the tunnel network heading into the dunes.

I haven't decided on how to fivide 4800 steel ingots yet

You've seen my current alu setup.

12300 ingots, the large scale systems do have overflow to sink in order to avoid stoppages.

[rustic quest]

If you are maxing out mk6 belts it's possible, a little hitch could start to unravel the factory

[dim cradle]

Yeah I'm glad I skipped MK2 track, mk3 just feels like such a bigger upgrade and it's about as easy to make

Maybe every other is the way to go

[rustic quest]

In my first playthrough my alu factories failed randomly because of bauxite starvation, the last one in the manifold slowly but surely consumed more ore than it got even though the math was perfect 1200/4 and no possibility of backing up (sink protection)

[dim cradle]

It's been a while so I'm kind of wondering, does any milestone need more than 3 products?

Is hooking up lines for the other 3 inputs worth it?

dunno that water concrete recipe looks pretty pog, too bad I can't make it yet lol

[rustic quest]

Funnily enough in my alu factories the water loop was the most reliable thing, I always find it hilarious

[zenith pecan]

Can perfectly loop water by managing clocks, 1x 90% using fresh, 2x 105% clocks using only wastewater.

Never the two mix.

[dim cradle]

Uh anyone?

just quick question

[hard ivy]

yes

[dim cradle]

Thanks just wondering how much to hook up hmm guess I'll just do 4 then

Yeah I'm on the phase 2 which only needs 3

Thanks for the tip on recycling the MAM assembled stuff whoever gave it btw lol. I put a mk2 miner down on my MAM node and turns out it was a normal so I just overclocked it to 270/min and then overclocked the constructor to 270/min and I'm just tossing all of it straight into the sink except a box full

Is that a product or do you just mean how bad the belts get at some point

I've been working on getting the hard drives before bothering with the factory, you should have seen how bad our factory was by the time we were at endgamish 3 years ago, that was bad...

I'm trying to get alternate recipes which reduce the clutter

All I've been doing is just scouting resources and grabbing hard drives for a while

[rustic pier]

i like how you can throw your saved game into the satisfactory tools and it shows where your stuff is

[dim cradle]

Just wondering how many of you all use Iron Pipes

[charred sandal]

There a good place to go for blueprints?

[dim cradle]

I'm probably going to do it because this desert start has so much pure iron nearby

but I know it's inefficient, but space wise it looks great

[reef basin]

I find them expensive

[dim cradle]

I got an encased pipe recipe instead for those white bars, too

Which I'll probably use

[hard ivy]

expensive in the most common resource. so it all depends whether it's easier to get the coal for default pipes, coal and limestone for molded or iron for iron

[dim cradle]

Well I upgraded my coal supply to 270/min too so that's probably not an issue but I hate how complicated making steel is by default

[rustic pier]

Wish i had a copper node closer to my monstrosity..

[dim cradle]

I also have that recipe which takes iron ingots and less coal

[dim cradle]

The desert had tons of copper, including a few pure nodes, but getting Quartz and Sulfur back to the base took a monstrous amount of track

[charred sandal]

If I just throw up a 600/ingot smelter even though i only have 480 belts, I shouldnt have any issues right?

[zenith pecan]

My foundry uses compact coal since my power station produces it en masse as byproduct.

[charred sandal]

itll just waste some power

[dim cradle]

I started in the desert, dunno are there different spawn points?

I can take a screenshot of where my base is at

[zenith pecan]

My power station is in the blue crater, not the dd.

[random berry]

If I place the smart splitter with the overflow output behind a full storage container will it empty the container eventually?

[hard ivy]

if you want overflow, put it before the container

[rustic pier]

im in the rocky desert lol.. i have a copper node near a bunch of iron nodes, and limestone too. have coal coming from the cliff above for steel and i got the bauxite coming for aluminum. had coal generators here but i removed them when i revamped the area.

[random berry]

thank you both Max and KYO

[zenith pecan]

I have all the worlds bauxite goiьg to the east coast, at the southern end of the dunes

[dim cradle]

#screenshots message Here I dunno if there's variations in exactly where you start. Yeah I chose desert because I just wanted something different. 3 years ago we just did grasslands

It's a long ways up

depends on where you go. I chose to go up the waterfall and where the alien mineral was at kind of

[zenith pecan]

Rocky desert quartz in my save is made into 450 crystals, 750 silica & 60 oscillators for my depots.

[dim cradle]

Is there a "pure" alien mineral source at all? I don't want any spoilers on where it's at, but just curious. I went exploring and noticed almost all the alien stuff I came across was impure, so I guess I got lucky that the one near the desert is at least normal

[zenith pecan]

You can find the clip in my post history, the project got away from me.

[dim cradle]

Well you're using a different quartz than I did, too.

[zenith pecan]

But I mined and processed all of it!

[dim cradle]

Coal was a pain to get to on this start too tbh. Like they're not TOO far away but they're all kind of far

There's like a batch of 2 of them past where the coal is from the start

think it's like near the mountain or w/e

But it's actually about as close as the one not in the desert is because it's so far lol

[reef basin]

why do people hate impure nodes so much? it's the same resource as anywhere else

[zenith pecan]

I just add impures to other streams, still a resource.

[cunning siren]

T T T Turbo Ammo ™ time! OOOH yeah!

[dim cradle]

Even if I overclocked a mk2 on an impure to 250%, it's like 150? That's slower than my current belts

I just wanted to max out a belt of the alien metal getting processed in order to start amassing coupons

[cunning siren]

Impure nodes are more power for less resources? IDK 🤷

[dim cradle]

The one near the desert being a normal is pretty amazing lol

Well I did a scan for quartz right where my base is at, the 2 that I"m using are 1.5km away, and so is another one in the other direction, and then there's another 1.8km so...

They're about equidistant

[reef basin]

does it matter?

all that matters is that if a factory needs X/min, it gets X/min. It doesn't matter if it's from pure or impure source, or if it's combined from multiple nodes

[dim cradle]

Well that's the point, all of the alien sources for me were really far. So unless I wanted to run a bunch of track to combine them somewhere at the base and use up a lot of time, it's a lot more efficient to just run track from one...

[reef basin]

well first you need to figure out how much your factory needs, then go find place where there's enough resources nearby

[rustic pier]

current state of my insanity #screenshots message

[dim cradle]

Like I said a friend and I played 3-5 years ago and we did Grasslands start. We got to nuclear and basically completed every phase (at the time)

I think...

I'm just doing this one solo

Wanna check out the new stuff too

[zenith pecan]

I don't megafactory!

[reef basin]

I mean he doesn't, he has factories spread so that he can make tunnels 🙂

[cunning siren]

If the game made objectives that needed a megafactory I would build one 🤷

[dim cradle]

I think in our save my factory for just screws was larger than some peoples' entire factories but yeah I wasn't tired of running out of them nope no sir...

[reef basin]

"megafactory" has nothing to do with size

[zenith pecan]

I build descreet factories in their own buildings, just a few of them in one places takes up a bit of space is all.

[dim cradle]

That's why this time I wanna just grab all the alt recipes first because I think some of them don't use screws XD

[reef basin]

yeah but also there's no reason to evade screws

[dim cradle]

They're sharp and can hurt

[hard ivy]

Yeah, you can get rid of them entirely by the time you unlock steel

[zenith pecan]

Stop stepping on them then.

[dim cradle]

There's also that one recipe that makes the rotors with the same thing as stators, glad I got that because I think that's gonna save a lotta complexity

[reef basin]

but also cost more resources

[dim cradle]

desert has so much pure iron that I think iron pipes are gonna be pretty pog too

[cunning siren]

Cast Screws helps a lot, I can stack a few constructors on top of an assembler and boom rotors are eazy mode. Insert iron ingots out come rotors

[hard ivy]

If you make rotors with the default recipe and with default rods and cast screws, you might as well use steel rotor with iron pipe and iron wire it's the same price, but much easier

Default rotor is only worth using if you make rods and screws out of steel

[rustic pier]

I wish we had the ability to select an item we have placed and move it..

[cunning siren]

I like to simplify when I can and steel is not that

[rustic pier]

like how many supports ive had to adjust because my belts or tubes are all wonky with hard corners in a straight line looking like a drunk person did it xD

[dim cradle]

Yeah I'm hoping I can get iron wire from one of these, that looks like it's gonna be really good

[hard ivy]

Screws are also not that. Steel rotor with iron pipe and iron wire is

[cunning siren]

Opinion noted

[dim cradle]

lol yeah make everything out of iron is amazing

[reef basin]

and expensive

[rustic pier]

Also i noticed belts do not do the smaller movement when bumping.. like i have stuff i moved slightly to center or line up but the belt wont do it too

[hard ivy]

As long as you have the iron, but yeah

[dim cradle]

The desert has a LOOOOOOT of iron

like so many pure sources it's kind of insane

[zenith pecan]

My oscillator plant in the rocky desert uses default screws because the numbers work without repeating decimals, so no yellow lights.

[dim cradle]

Like in terms of actual ease of play... I think desert might be easier than grasslands now

because of how much iron there is...

[reef basin]

once you're at coal you're supposed to expand to other biomes anyway

[zenith pecan]

Because the numbers had the afformentioned repeating decimals, it was imperfect so the Idea was thrown out after hours of clock manipulation.

[sour pilot]

it's the easiest biome

[dim cradle]

I'm a "bring it all back to motherbase" sort of person. In our other save we did split off manufacturing of certain things closer to their sources. I instead do the caveman approach and put a 4-5km long belt going all the way back to the desert

[cunning siren]

Homing Turbo Rifle ammo when? 😆

I think if you value ease of use then I'll agree

Turbo is better and requires more effort to make it "better"

One explosive rebar can oneshot like 5 small stingers 🤷

OH ok

Is the performance impact that bad?

[rustic pier]

queeestion about the nuke.. btw lol

nvm imma make one and test 😄

[cunning siren]

I don't play my saves after objectives much so 🤷 not really an issue for me

[dim cradle]

I'm just using these basic bombs, work on everything so far

Trying to calculate the throwing angle is also kind of fun

I literally just pressed space bar and went afk to mostly skip the bio phase into coal, except like a few things towards the end lol

[cunning siren]

Dune start's biomass is sparce but dense AF next to the water

[dim cradle]

Oh god I didn't know I could make map markers until now

Well derp

[cunning siren]

Ye, can highlight them too so a giant pillar of light shows the way

But but but... teh coupons

Not many doggos in Dune start

[warm pendant]

is there a mod where i can build facilities while the resources are in storage?

[hard ivy]

you can do this in vanilla lol

[warm pendant]

how ?

[hard ivy]

dimensional depot

[rustic quest]

Research Alien Technology in the MAM

[warm pendant]

ahhh that limits only 150 right? i saw some reels but havent got there yet

[rustic quest]

Limit of what? In the Dimensional Depot you can store up to 5 stacks of whatever you want

[next sequoia]

Beat the game, got everything from awesome shop. Don't know what to do next. Any ideas? Considered gathering rest of slugs, loops, spheres, drives, but only have any use for sloops at this point. Thoughs?

[rustic quest]

And upload as many as you want (as long as you have spheres) if one can't keep up

[hard ivy]

the stack limit is basically irrelevant tbh

[lament niche]

#design-and-architecture message

[rustic quest]

Yeah I know but I was just asking what limit they meant

[hard ivy]

idk either because nothing is limited to 150

[lament niche]

I will literally engage any load balancer/sushi belt fan in hand-to-hand combat if they still think load balancers/sushi are spacially better than manifolds
#design-and-architecture message

you can do sushi or balancers all you want, it's just not spacially efficient

[ivory condor]

"load balancers aren't spaghetti and take up less space than a manifold" how

[lament niche]

idk ask the load balancer folk

[hard ivy]

nobody said that, ever

[bronze atlas]

stack limit is the max number of stacks that will fit in a dimensional depot. if you're at 3, then its 3xnumber of items in stack - for example concrete will let you put 1500 in becaus it stacks to 500 but things like ingots i think only go to 100 so you could put in 300

[ivory condor]

Agreed I was just reading that statement and wondering what reality I might be living in

[bronze atlas]

upload speed is how fast the depots add items to the dimensional storage. Its slow at first but that can be mitigated by having more than one depot uploading the same item, at the cost of using more spheres to do so. When you upgrade the speed all the way then most of the items you store will only need 1 uploader

[dim cradle]

Man I don't feel bad about reloading if I die in this at all because almost all of it is due to mob pop in. Would be nice if I could just make the view distance longer

The dimensional storage was a great addition that we didn't have last time I played and it's so convenient...

[bronze atlas]

unfortunate about the pop in. I havent had that happen to me so i guess it just depends on your system specs.

[rustic quest]

The dd makes for the best inventory system I saw in any game

[hard ivy]

tbf the author of that statement has made several equally insane/idiotic ones in the past so that's par for the course for them

[lament niche]

I've seen several people make that statement

it's lived rent free in my head since like U4

[ivory condor]

really

[dim cradle]

It happens on every machine. This one has a 2080 and a 5950X, my other one has a 5070 Ti and a 9800X3D. I think mobs just have a draw distance

[shy mulch]

No sane person would make that claim unironically

[ivory condor]

Well

[lament niche]

yeah, finally decided to prove it's straight up wrong so I could get it out of my head

[rustic quest]

I've done sushi belt for one specific factory (stators and rotors with a smart splitter at the end to direct them to make motors at the end) and a few manual systems it's cool how it looked but meh

[lament niche]

I'm going to go back to manifolds for everything except train stations now

[shy mulch]

5070 here and have the same issue, it's quite annoying

[dim cradle]

It's the worst when it's one of those radioactive hogs

They chase you down everywhere

and I haven't done phase 2, so no guarding against radiation damage

[ivory condor]

but this shouldn't even have to be proved

[rustic quest]

You can loose them with the parachute if you don't have the bladerunners yet

[feral geyser]

It depends honestly. I have balancers that are pretty tidy and non-spaghetti

[novel summit]

Could anyone send me the invite to the modding server?

[bronze atlas]

are you using anything that makes you move faster than vanilla game allows? as i said i don't have enemy pop in on mine and im only running a 3060 ti. maybe the culprit is actually your ram/HD?

[hard ivy]

#welcome

[novel summit]

Hi

[feral geyser]

But they are not blueprinted, they are built in-situ on the lifts for the machines

[lament niche]

but it's lived rentfree in my head after a few people said it in like U4

I did it mostly to get out out of my head

[feral geyser]

#design-and-architecture message
What numbers does this balancer do?

[dim cradle]

I'm on an NVME drive that's fairly fast and have 64GB ram. Completely unmodded atm. My 9800X3D comp is faster than this one. Although, I had stable diffusion open in the background, wonder if that was setting aside some VRAM so it might be even worse on this comp atm

[hard ivy]

I mean it's clear they don't know much about balancer, because what they posted isn't a load balancer and cannot really be replaced with a manifold. unless the balancer was completely pointless to use in that situation in the first place

[lament niche]

it's a combination 3:3 3:4

[bronze atlas]

yeah if you're running any other software that is graphics intensive it probably will affect it.. But otherwise sounds like your system should be able to handle it. Maybe theres a driver problem for the newer cards or something.

[dim cradle]

Seems like they toned down the radiation damage though. I remember it killing way faster than this

[lament niche]

it balances the 3 inputs and then balances those 3 outputs into four outputs instead of 3

[feral geyser]

Those two in particular can be made way more compactly than that.

[dim cradle]

Maybe I'm just misremembering

[lament niche]

still not as spacially efficient as a manifold

[hard ivy]

not sure why you'd combine them either

[lament niche]

To balance everything before pushing them out

[feral geyser]

Of course not, but then you don't have the slow sequential wind-up of a manifold

[hard ivy]

plus, you cannot use "a manifold" where a 3:3 or a 3:4 makes sense to use

[dim cradle]

I dunno actually did they ever decrease radiation damage in this?

Could have sworn it used to kill you faster

[lament niche]

yes you can. You can manifold everything.

[feral geyser]

I think it's 10 dps

[hard ivy]

you can check the radiation page on the wiki. if they changed it, it should be listed there

[eternal swallow]

#screenshots message @sudden thistle it has been in the game for ages lol :3

[dim cradle]

Patch 0.4.0.11: Updated radiation levels to fit new item production rates.
Patch 0.4.0.0: Tweaked the radiation decay value for Uranium Waste

[sudden thistle]

it has but i remember playing back in 2021 and ugh doing it manually was so annoying

[dim cradle]

well this is all it says, but idk if one of those indirectly decreased damage received

[lament niche]

/shrug I must be manifolding incorrectly as I only see the slow windup when processing like 3600 aluminum scrap

[feral geyser]

That's exactly where I use balancers.

[lament niche]

I just use smart splitter manifolds there.

[hard ivy]

that doesn't mean you can replace any balancer with a manifold and expect it to just work. load balancer, sure. but not a belt balancer. plus, belt balancers are best used with manifolds, not instead of them

[lament niche]

actually, you can

[feral geyser]

Uh oh hold on, what is the difference between a belt balancer and a load balancer? Never heard the two separated

[lament niche]

yeah, same here

[hard ivy]

mathematically, there's no difference. the satisfactory community decided to split them for some inane reason

load balancers are 1:n or n:1, belt balancers are everyting else (n:m)

[feral geyser]

Ah, that sounds like an unnecessary distinction.

[lament niche]

feel the variables there for bb should be (i:o) for (input:output)

[feral geyser]

Call the variables whatever you want

[hard ivy]

that's because it is

[sudden thistle]

I LOVE THIS GAME

[lament niche]

my favorite part is how Kyo has me blocked but then still responds to me

[sudden thistle]

i have 55 hours in the last 5 days

[lament niche]

only?

[feral geyser]

Tbh, in my math tutoring, sometimes, I will replace variables with emojis, to really drive home the point that "whatever is in this place, also goes in that place, whether it's a single variable or a whole expression."

[lament niche]

@sudden thistle you're slacking

[sudden thistle]

i know thats only averaging like 11 hours per day 💔

[dim cradle]

I just try to balance exactly how much input and output I have, everything else will work itself out . . .

[bronze atlas]

i have always viewed it as belt balancers join unbalanced input belts evenly among a number of output belts so all the belts are equal, usually used on a bus.

Load balancers i have viewed as something you use to split up input evenly among a bunch of machines for even startup speed amongst all of them.

It sounds like the community uses them interchangably though

[dim cradle]

Just be happy you don't have 2 sides of the belt to worry about too, like in factorio lol

[lament niche]

yeah, the variables COULD be (a:t) or whatever, it just formalizes and makes things easier and slightly simpler when you match the variable letter to what the variable is supposed to represent

[feral geyser]

Agreed

[dim cradle]

Imagine doing differential equations in emojis

[feral geyser]

You can

[lament niche]

yeah no
Variables are already annoying enough in differentials

[feral geyser]

Notation is entirely arbitrary

[lament niche]

nyazul be like: Reality is whatever I want it to be"

[feral geyser]

No, really though

[lament niche]

I was joking but also being honest

[dim cradle]

I mean yeah you can definitely integrate smiley faces to get the total number of smiley faces at a rate over time

How about smiley angles though

[feral geyser]

Sure, why not

[dim cradle]

Is that the rate of a smiley you do in radian notation

[feral geyser]

I usually use color coding in geometry lessons

[dim cradle]

I'm sure you try a lot harder than my professors at gatech did lol

[lament niche]

@feral geyser can you do 8 dimensional quaternion equations

[dim cradle]

glad I escaped that thing

[lament niche]

oh you went to gatech? fantastic, I can lord my school's cfb record against you over you

[feral geyser]

Quaternions are 4-d, you mean octonions.

[dim cradle]

You could I don't watch football or care about it tho

So I'd just kind of be sitting there nodding

[lament niche]

did you just invent a new word

[feral geyser]

No

Look them up

[lament niche]

no, I don't mean eight onions

and quaternions for 4 dimensions are still called quaternions

therefore it makes sense that quaternions for 8 dimensional things would still be quaternions

[feral geyser]

No...

That would only describe 4 of the dimensions

[lament niche]

what if I told you quaternions for four dimensions only need a 4x4 array, plus a 1x4 array, and not a whole 5x5 array

[feral geyser]

Where did the 5×5 come from?

[restive agate]

im at the point where i need to produce computers but im in a little confused, my manufacturer is a going to be away from my standard iron production so should I build transportation lines from iron to manufactuerer or make the iron items needed right around my manufactuerer

[lament niche]

To describe the rotation of the object versus the rotation of the camera in a four dimensional space instead of a three dimensional one

[dim cradle]

Isn't the quater portion of it related to number, so 4?

I guess quinternon would be 5 and sexternon would be 6?

[feral geyser]

That's not how quaternions work.

[feral geyser]

Inconsistent number systems

[feral geyser]

But yes

[lament niche]

I'm going to take the word of a guy who's actually programmed 4d quaternions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BDYSxsVMAE

[feral geyser]

Read Hamilton's work if you want to know more

[feral geyser]

Broken link

[lament niche]

fixed

[dim cradle]

You can go either way about this btw, it's totally up to you.

If you find yourself with a lot of the resources to make something near a location, you can just build it there and transport it back.

[lament niche]

anyways language is actually one of those things where you can literally just go "Reality is whatever I want it to be"

[dim cradle]

Or you can be insane like me and make several belts 5km long transporting everything to a central location that's growing out of control

Or just be more sane and make a train line or a cart

[lament niche]

why not both

[harsh terrace]

Yo guys

Im having some problems with my machines

[restive agate]

im so confused about the overall logistics rn like idk if I should have smalls factories for everything like reinforced plates and rotors eg and transport them out to other factoires for more complicated processes or if I should just make everything for an item say computers all in its own factory

[harsh terrace]

could anyone maybe help?

[lament niche]

that's the fun part: you can do whatever you want!

[lament niche]

nobody is going to help if you don't tell us what your problem is

[feral geyser]

You haven't stated your problem

[restive agate]

i dont like this amount of freedom I can never decide LOL

[harsh terrace]

Im writing but sorry

[lament niche]

You'd hate living in my state

[restive agate]

but in terms of late game does one work out better then the other or should i just go with the flow?

cus i dont wanna spends hours on a factory for it to get cooked once i enter the next phase ym

[harsh terrace]

I have theese 5 refiniries (outputs connected on a mk1 pipe) the pipe runs at 300 metriccubes of heavy oil residue p/m then I connect them to 4 blenders each using 75 metriccubes of heavy oil residue p/m (there is no slooshing in anywhere) But still my machines dont fill up and stall

[restive agate]

is there elevation at any point maybe you need pumps

[dim cradle]

You can't really mess up. There are a lot of resources so you're going to always be able to recover

[harsh terrace]

I linked up pumps and there is abs no slooshing

[feral geyser]

Pipes sometimes have trouble working at max flow rate

Also, the alt code for ³ is alt+0179

[harsh terrace]

should I upgrade em to mk2

[restive agate]

ive ran into problems where my pipes completely disregard splitters and hook up wrong so many just make sure they are set up the right way

[feral geyser]

Absolutely

[harsh terrace]

oh w

I tought if I used mk1 pipes on max flow rate itd be better than mk2 pipes on half max flowrate

I saw some reddit posts about it but if you say so will try

[feral geyser]

Nah, avoid max flowrate as much as you can tbh. Work about 5% below it at all times

[harsh terrace]

K thanks for advice man

[feral geyser]

Kinda sucks to have to factor that in, but pipes are buggy at max flowrate sometimes

[hard ivy]

nah, you can always make it work. it might just require a specific layout

[harsh terrace]

its really been a headache I scrapped the whole thing and made it simpler and simpler I hope it works when I upgrade all of em to mk2

[rustic quest]

You can max out mk1 pipes, those usually just work fine as you'd expect. It's mk2 pipes that are especially problematic, using those at 600 can be a pain so avoid that if you can help it

[silent escarp]

how do i make this even? #screenshots

[feral geyser]

Right, and with the vast variation in people's layouts, I just give that as a default cuz I just don't know 🤷‍♂️

[restive agate]

you mean the conveyer lines ?

[hard ivy]

It'll make itself even. Unless you don't have enough supply

[harsh terrace]

I saw they were fixing fluid mechanics in 1.2 is that true or?

[dim cradle]

I think I remember tons of annoying stuff when a friend and I beat it, with regards to making aluminum and things filling up when they shouldn't.

[silent escarp]

no the resource spread

[dim cradle]

It's been quite a few patches since then so you'd think they'd fix that

[silent escarp]

ohh i see

[restive agate]

as long as sufficent resources itll reach equalibrium with due time

[harsh terrace]

@feral geyser thanks so much it actually worked

[dim cradle]

I just make enough to use exactly as much as I'm supplying with regards to solid things

[silent escarp]

Y'all think this is enough? for all the phases? (im making 10 constructor of all basic resources) #screenshots

[hard ivy]

for personal use? probably. for making more complex parts? almost definitely not

[silent escarp]

including assemblers

[dim cradle]

Nah you want more

and you'll probably want to redo it with better recipes later

Or just precollect recipes

[wicked nacelle]

Requirements for basically everything go up exponentially as you ply the game. Whatever you’re doing now won’t be enough later

[silent escarp]

im in phase two rn so i dont have any of the advanced items yet

[restive agate]

dont think itll be enough however, handfeed those constructers with plates so the factory recaches eq and runs effectively

[wicked nacelle]

And you get better tools for making more later so it’s not worth trying to make them all now

Faster belts better miners hoverpack automated shards etc. and same with power

[silent escarp]

after i finished building all 10 constructor&assemblers im gonna make a massive sorting storage

[drifting raven]

Hey folks 👋
Do we have any general idea when Update 1.2 might drop, like before or after Christmas maybe?
Totally understand there’s no ETA for patches, just wondering if the devs hinted at a rough timeframe anywhere.

[wicked nacelle]

Do you know about dimensional depot?

[silent escarp]

not yet im not in the space part yet

still in phase 2

[harsh terrace]

how many hours do yaal have?

[restive agate]

find yourself a sam node itll make a huge difference

[wicked nacelle]

Officially like 4000. But much of that is overnight or whatever

[silent escarp]

sam node? what and where can i find that?

[wicked nacelle]

You have to either use a map or run across one randomly. Though they are frequently near quartz.

[harsh terrace]

damn I got 230 hours man

[wicked nacelle]

You often need nobelisks to get to Sam

[restive agate]

current world 40 hours at phase 3

[silent escarp]

sadge i cant even destroy that one big rock near my coal factory

[restive agate]

look up satisfactory interactive map and youll see where the nodes are

[silent escarp]

dud i have 50hrs and still in phase 2

[frail sleet]

that layout is generally more complicated and annoying than just having twice as many pipes at half capacity though

[restive agate]

well its my second play through kinda i had 35ish hours before this but i stopped at phase 2 after making coal power

[dim cradle]

Random but... a few days ago a friend of mine was interested in the game so I let him play a bit then I showed him our endgame base from years ago and then he said he didn't wanna play it. I have no idea if it was just that messy or just made the game seem to overwhelming. Guess I'm never doing that again.

[restive agate]

overwhelming fs

[dim cradle]

Just be like, "yeah no, no... don't have an endgame base, nope. " Looks to the side

[silent escarp]

u shouldve made him play the game instead of showing the endgame AHHAHAH im not trying to spoil myself so i dont get uninterested and drop this game

[dim cradle]

No I did, like I let him play up to the elevator then asked him if he would like to see a complete base

I should have just... not done that

Part of the issue may be how I make really compact but messy lines, too. I can keep track of them in my head but everyone else is afraid to touch them

[restive agate]

my starting factory is a disaster rn so im planning on remaking my essential iron and copper items AGAIN

my problem is i dont know what i want to do with the game idk if i should mega factory or modular and im always in the middle it ends up fucking me later on

[silent escarp]

ts my starter copper factory rn, one singular miner and 4 smelters and stacks of all copper items that i need

#screenshots

[wicked nacelle]

Build fresh don’t tear down. Use your “ugly” factory for parts for new one

[silent escarp]

my iron farm #screenshots

[restive agate]

one thing i will say, you dont need that much storage

[silent escarp]

true i messed up fr im gonna remake that once i remember that im gonna remake it

[restive agate]

later on youll get faster miners and other things to help you progress

allow your p/m to do the work rather then stockpiling

[wicked nacelle]

Way too many containers. 4 standard containers of anything is all y ever need.

[restive agate]

you should awesome sink alot of it early on

[restive agate]

try 1 🤔

[wicked nacelle]

Nah

There are absolutely times you’d want more than that

[silent escarp]

yeah i do have one conveyor feeding it with raw irons

[restive agate]

idk if you have smart splitters unlocked yet but there super useful for sinking excess items

[silent escarp]

i dont have that yet

[restive agate]

like once a container fills up itll sink the overflow

you can get it in phase 2

youll need caterium

wait

oh yeah im rightit is caterium

[silent escarp]

Gah im still researching phase two rn

once im done with the 4 basic towers im gonna do the assemblers next

[restive agate]

take some time to explore and do some mam research some of the stuff is super helpful

[silent escarp]

y'all whats the i deal time for loading and unloading on vehicle station

2,500s?

[restive agate]

like the round trip or how long loading and unloading takes

[silent escarp]

like round trip?

[restive agate]

ngl idek i completly disregarded truck stations

[silent escarp]

im using it cuz i need to transfer individual materials into one spot and all my towers are far apart and i dont want spaghetti world

[white dawn]

The stations will load/unload at a rate of 2 stacks per second

So for a tractor, the max time you'd need is 12.5 seconds (I don't know off the top of my head what a full truckload would be)

In practice, the vehicles start loading/unloading a little bit before they technically hit the pause node, so I think that you can technically get by with even less than that, even if your vehicles are right at their capacity limits

With tractors, I often just set 12.5 seconds and leave it there, though occasionally I'll go back and tune it to the actual delivery once it's up and running (ie: check out the state of the tractor's cargo space before it gets to the station and then lower the wait time appropriately)

[silent escarp]

yeah thats what im finding out rn on how long the fulltruckload would be i thought, maybe one of y'all know

for now i set like 69.67seconds

[white dawn]

Well, at 2 stacks/sec, it'd be the number of stacks a truck holds divided by 2. :)

I just don't remember what a truck's capacity is, is all. (I'm quite fond of vehicles but I mostly stick to tractors)

[dim cradle]

Yeah I think they definitely have to have decreased the amount of damage from radiation

I just took a sloop in the middle of like 4-5+ rad rocks

which only took me down to half health or so

[white dawn]

I don't think the radiation damage levels have been touched in a real long time; it's always been not too bad to facetank radiation for stuff like that

It's really only when you're right on top of it, or if you've got some in your inventory, that it starts getting nasty

[charred sandal]

there a way to dismantle things underground

like, an easy way

[rose saffron]

Forget it exists

[white dawn]

Trains, Hypertubes, and merely heading into one of the "voids" in the map are ways to get under there. You could also load your save into SCIM (https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map) and remove things that way, if you like

[latent meadow]

omg trucks will beable to transport liquid in 1.2 big guys big

I lovinvg it already ❤️

[charred sandal]

Im paranoid about structure limit.

Ider what the limit is tho

[cunning siren]

I gave up on using "legit" water extractors cuz sometimes I lose foundations under the map 😭 Got a blueprint of an extractor that somehow snaps to grid and can be nudged 🤷 works for me

[worthy cosmos]

what a complicated game

[cunning siren]

There are tools that can help with that part; https://satisfactorymodeler.itch.io/satisfactorymodeler https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[dim cradle]

Does anything give a calculation for how much physical length of belt you get per resource

Is it like 1/5 or 1/10m or something

[white dawn]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Conveyor_Belts#Construction

The building cost is roughly 0.5 materials per meter, rounded up to nearest integer.

[dim cradle]

Hmm... doesn't feel like it's 1/2m but guess that's perceptual

[final grotto]

Hi fellas, I have completed phase 1, should I turn all of my plate for reinforced doors or would I need iron plates for other stuff ?

[snow rivet]

Is there any web tool to plan out builds?

[rose saffron]

There’s a structure limit?

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch online tools

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=online+tools

[dim cradle]

I really wanna meet (and strangle) whoever didn't put crouch toggle in the game and then also made it so you have to press R+L to detonate a bomb on controller >_>

[rustic quest]

Iron plates and iron rods will be needed throughout the game (for instance the plates for foundations) so you should have a constant production (and upload to depot). You can pick a node somewhere set the production for these basics, upload them, and basically forget about it

[final grotto]

Ok I see thanks for the info mate appreicate it

[wise junco]

This is the way

[rustic quest]

Generally speaking the things you use for building you want to have a constant source of and also generally speaking you make a production line for one product (say iron plates) and then make a production line for another product (say reinforced iron plates) even though iron plates are made as part of this latter factory.
Only perhaps in late game you might want to make one thing one time only and then "append" derivate products to that one.
There's no hard rules (everyone can play hoever they want after all) for this but again generally speaking having separate factories for various products also helps to keep things more organized

[peak wasp]

So how dumb is this?

#screenshots message

I decided it could be fun to truck in tons and tons of rocket fuel and water into my base

and basically build a giant basement filled with fuel generators

gonna have four pipes of rocket fuel and 2 pipes of water

[sturdy mural]

are you the guy responsible for building the structures in rain world with the amount of pipes in the screenshot

[peak wasp]

so tell me a thing...is it not important to have power

how much power do you need in a base?

[sturdy mural]

is it not more efficient ot put it near where you produce it

[simple mango]

Wah! Quartz Purification alt unlocked before I can make the Nitric Acid that I need for it. T_T

[peak wasp]

not true, who cares how far it is away from my base

because at the end of the day I am gonna need materials from that side of the blue crater, such as coal

I am also gonna need water from the lake

and since rocket fuel doesn't have any fluid mechanics and is a gas it doesn't really matter

because this ugly thing is going under my current base making the whole area look better with less floating going on

#screenshots message

[final grotto]

ı see thanks mate appreicate it

[versed mesa]

Am thinking on hopping onto the game to check on things and see if i can think of anything better for my Nukeclear factory tbh I dont think having the Nuke Gens at top near to the waterfall is good Idea specially if am going to need more than 4 like I think the factory for creating everything for nukeclear is fine to have it on water on top of waterfall

[sturdy mural]

what

[peak wasp]

and looking into pumping the water up to my base it's like 16mw a line

[sturdy mural]

holy crap

280 hours into the save

and i just now automated quartz crystals (and silica)

[peak wasp]

Damn I have a line eating 490 iron bars a minute

actually damn closer to 690

found a section that wasn't the right belt and that brought it up to what it should be

[stone python]

today i learned you do not need to put the opperator in between two numbers in ().

(162.5x4)(80x6)- gives the same answer as (162.5x4)-(80x6)

edit: when using the in game calculator

[versed mesa]

Shower refresh time then am going onto windows to play it mite go on Satisfactory for abit after I put little time in different game first

👌 💪

[cinder fiber]

hello may i ask some experienced player for an advice here?

[stone python]

ofc

[versed mesa]

Don't ask me am still not experienced enought lol

[peak wasp]

Sorry we are all on break. (This is a joke BTW)

[cinder fiber]

is there any vc i can join and turn on stream? its gonna be hard to write tbh

[stone python]

no VC channels in this server

[cinder fiber]

ficsit as a reward is giving you a break for yours progres. Your break ends.. now.

[peak wasp]

Shit

Time to add rocket fuel to my coffee

[cinder fiber]

okay then gonna try explaining it like that
you know how aluminium works, one of the byproducts are water. So i got an idea hey lets take 3 of them from refinseries, let water back to the first refinery on 2x speed thats gonna make me get rid both of the water and bulding another pump. Sounds great right? Well.. no i gave some water to it to start the process and now it stops. Too much water. Why? I DO NOT KNOW that why i ask. Tried slushing some of the water already

[peak wasp]

Ada says it'll kill me... I say fuck off don't tell me what to do you damn co pilot mfer

[sturdy mural]

could you like send a pic of your setup showing how its built?

[cinder fiber]

where send it?

#screenshots ?

[cinder fiber]

.

[sturdy mural]

yes

[sturdy mural]

the pipes

you might have throughput issues

the set between the 1st and 2nd refinery

from what i can see there are 2 that have a straight pipe from one to the other

but in the 3rd set there's a 2nd pipe joining in

[cinder fiber]

hmm sending you another one

just to ble clear

[sturdy mural]

1st of all
why is it all so spaced out

[cinder fiber]

it"s like from 3 of them water goes to only one. Should be perfectly balaned 360 produced, 360 used

[sturdy mural]

2nd
zoom out

[cinder fiber]

sending all of it, had to figure out where place electric rod for this weird jetpack

maybe that i poured too much on the start? i thought i neeed to fill it up alitlle just to start the process

fun fact its only clogging on the bottom two, the first one from the up is perfectly fine

im currently trying to get rid some of the water to somehow balance it

[sturdy mural]

you could make a small pipe that you can just drain if its too much

[cinder fiber]

and if im slushing it it works just for a while like wtf its still only 360=360

[shrewd palm]

im pretty sure whats happening is that the water from the pumps is being prioritized over the by product water
easiest and best way to fix that is by adding another set of refineries for the byproduct but you could probably also do something with a priority junction

[sturdy mural]

i personally just throw the water out

[cinder fiber]

but thats the problem, pipes are connected only in 360=360 way nothig from the pumps is going into the cycle

[sturdy mural]

you still cut out a part of the setup in the pic

if you cant get a jetpack going well

[cinder fiber]

im VERY close to spamming 20 buldings that are holding the water and just be nonchalant with that for an hour xd

[sturdy mural]

use ladders

[unborn nova]

can i just let the heavy oil residue build up in the refiner when im making plastic? or will it stop production when it maxes out

[shrewd palm]

how much bauxite are you using?

[hard ivy]

it'll stop

[shrewd palm]

if outputs stop the machines will stop

[cinder fiber]

can i just call you on pv? thats gonna be much easier

[unborn nova]

when i flush a fluid buffer does it all just disappear

[sturdy mural]

sure?

[peak wasp]

you know what annoys me

no corner stairs

ramps get corners...but stairs don't?

[shrewd palm]

yes but a much easier way of doing that would be to just build stuff to deal with all the heavy oil

turn it into fuel and burning it is probably the best

[peak wasp]

or you can use it to make plastic and flush it down the toilet to pollute the planet

[unborn nova]

is fuel an item that i can just pick up and put it into stuff

[peak wasp]

This will of course also annoy ada too

[unborn nova]

or do i gotta package

[shrewd palm]

its a fluid but you can package it and use it to fuel your jetpack and also vehicles

[unborn nova]

where do i make it into packaged fuel?

[zenith fractal]

package it to put into inventory

[zenith fractal]

packager building

[shrewd palm]

#math-and-meta message @cinder fiber i dont know exactly what you're doing but im pretty sure these are the same recipes

[zenith fractal]

in production

category

[charred sandal]

Cast screws vs steel screws? opinions?

steel screws seems a lot better but idk

[zenith fractal]

cast is easier, steel is better.

[shrewd palm]

set up the first stage of refineries with the 4 water extractors to make alumina solution which will then be turned into aluminum scrap. pipe the water from that back into the first set of refineries and it will balance itself out over time

[zenith fractal]

personally I avoid screws like the plague

[charred sandal]

Yeah, thats the goal eventually

[zenith fractal]

but if you want to get value from them then steel it is

[shrewd palm]

you could also just send that water off to a couple more refineries like i said ealier

[zenith fractal]

or if you're lazy cast is fine

[charred sandal]

Just debating between unlocking cast rn or something else, since id rather do steel later

idk. maybe ill jsut go explore

[zenith fractal]

the crashed harddrive ships exist for exploitation

collect them all for your collection

[peak wasp]

Ya avoid screws

[unkempt blade]

cast screws is a great recipe

[peak wasp]

After all as satisfactory players we have no chance on getting screwed

[charred sandal]

Just because it skips a steP? Or am i mathing wrong

[peak wasp]

So might as well not use screws in recipes either

[zenith fractal]

early on it has saved me time

[zenith fractal]

cast skips having to turn rods into screws

[unkempt blade]

yeah it cuts out the rod step, makes early game factories MUCH simpler

[zenith fractal]

which is what makes it so much better

especially very early on since it also saves on power

[charred sandal]

I see.

I just have seperate factories for each core piece ngl.

:3 Like I have a factory to make rods and a 480 belt of rods that feeds other things including screws.

But im rebuilding atm. idk what to doooo lmao

[unkempt blade]

A lot of people are very anti-screws because it's a high quantity item so you need to build it a little differently (not using one massive manifold) but especially now with blueprints it's really easy to do more modular screw setups

[peak wasp]

You know what I wanna see

A even more ridiculous end game screw recipe

Aluminum screws

[dense violet]

You can already do aluminium screws

[unkempt blade]

aluminum ingots => rods => screws exists 😄

[dense violet]

Aluminium beams to screws exist

[peak wasp]

Did anyone see about 1.2

[zenith fractal]

SAM based screws would be useless but make me smile

[peak wasp]

Tanker trucks

https://youtu.be/FwmpNWuKIJ0?si=Uj_0_4pbel7Dv2mw

[zenith fractal]

the tanker truck, the car people will have more fun.

[unkempt blade]

I chose to interpret it as the mk2 factory cart

[zenith fractal]

the factory car needs a more efficient update. I want it to launch me into the void.

[peak wasp]

That's me

Woot

[unkempt blade]

you just need some carefully placed jump pads and you can live your dream

[peak wasp]

You know what could be cool...mk3 pipes

[zenith fractal]

true

[peak wasp]

Or fusion power

Nuclear pasta as a food item

[zenith fractal]

fusion power would go nicely in theme with the quantum tiers I think

but mk3 pipes

[unkempt blade]

would you slot it in before or after ficsonium?

[zenith fractal]

is a dream I will never give up

[peak wasp]

Another interesting idea ...hydro power...there is only a few areas where the game has rivers that could be useful for hydro power

[zenith fractal]

mix ficsonium with liquid helium or something to have fusion power rods or something.

[peak wasp]

It would be like another geothermal power

[zenith fractal]

sadly renewable resources will never be added, outside of mods ofc. mostly because of the need to pollute

at least anymore renewables sincee geothermal already fills the easy energy role and clean nuclear power is purposely a pain to make

but I think there's a power mod that adds new sources of power

forgot what it was called

[unkempt blade]

I think solar or something could be added in a balanced way if they just give it some sort of upkeep/maintenance cost. Make solar need X/min silicon and copper sheets or something like that to run

[zenith fractal]

maybe

[unkempt blade]

more options for "fuel cost" => power would be interesting

[peak wasp]

I mean I they are more considering hydro then solar because solar can be used infinitely

Hydro at least would be limited by only having few places it could be put

That said hydro could be interesting as a battery system

Like a upgraded battery

[unkempt blade]

I'll just stack turbines under the floating waterfalls in the north-middle oil area

[peak wasp]

You could pump water into a big tank in a high place while you had power and when your power is out gravity could make power

[unkempt blade]

I support power storage mk2

even bigger cylinders! it'll be glorious

[zenith fractal]

that would be cool

[peak wasp]

Another idea for you

What about giant tanks of sand

Because IRL they heat up sand to ridiculous tempatures

Then use the heat to boil water

[zenith fractal]

that sounds like steam energy with extra steps

[unkempt blade]

so are those mk2 and then the water stuff is mk3?

[zenith fractal]

I kinda like it

[slender hatch]

Ohh, yes, keep doing that cuz pioneers definitely grow on trees

[unkempt blade]

I think a lot of the community barely uses power storage as is so I definitely like the idea of giving them 2 more levels of it

[zenith fractal]

since it uses sand, melted sand or like sillicon can be a byproduct

[slender hatch]

Guys, i'm doing oil and it's killing me.It's my first time doing it to

And I don't have fuel generators yet.So I have to figure out a way to deal with this.Heavy oil residue

[zenith fractal]

the sound of refeineries will enter your mind in sleep

[simple mango]

Someone please sell me on "fixed number of color swatches" instead of "just let me paint things a color".

[unkempt blade]

petroleum coke and sink it

[slender hatch]

Or petroleum coke and coal generators

[simple mango]

I also suggest getting coked up.

[unkempt blade]

but you need coupons to unlock factory carts!

[slender hatch]

What if I already have the factory curt

[unkempt blade]

then you should take a break and go build a factory cart skatepark

[peak wasp]

But big insulated sand tanks are great ways to store energy

[simple mango]

big vat of molten salt

if they want to be cheeky about it they could implement one of those big stupid crane towers that stacks concrete blocks that techbros were pitching a few years ago

they took a short break from "what if trains, but stupider?"

[peak wasp]

Indeed yeah

Can we somehow turn biomass into nuclear energy for the lols

Because biomass can be used up to the fuel age

[shrewd palm]

no but through sloopage you can make it so that a nuclear hog has more energy than uranium fuel rods

[stoic spear]

Would making a central hub for all crafting in the green zone be smart or stupid

[shrewd palm]

there are more reasons to do that than to not

[stoic spear]

SWEET

[dense violet]

you mean just a central factory?

[stoic spear]

it’s just going to take me a while to set up the trains

Ye

[shrewd palm]

for all crafting you mean like building materials and stuff right

[hard ivy]

I'd say the opposite

[dense violet]

without a specific end goal, planning every step, and a lot of experience - it's going to end up being a giant mess

[shrewd palm]

or the basic ones at least

[dense violet]

do you plan on adding extra things to it later?

[shrewd palm]

having all of your concrete and iron products and steel and stuff and one area is nice

[hard ivy]

idk why would it. we have depots

[shrewd palm]

easy and not too time consuming to just use up a good chunk of the nodes in the grassy fields to get all your basic materials going and then expand out to other biomes and use depots for more advanced things

and you can always throw depots on once you have them

[sturdy mural]

GOD i just jumpscared myself

[zenith fractal]

how so?

[sturdy mural]

with the little materials that fly into whatever you build
it spawned so that it jumped at me from over a foundation

[zenith fractal]

humorous

[sturdy mural]

😔

[peak wasp]

So question

Do saves work thru patches

Like going from 1.1 to 1.2

[shrewd palm]

yes but depending on what gets changed some things might break

like 1.0 rebalanced the map a little bit

we wont be seeing anything like that in 1.2 but they are teasing a fluid rework so that might break some stuff

also when updating from U8 to 1.0 the map was reset

foliage, artifacts, everything

but factories and stuff stayed

[frail sleet]

I'd guess that breaking changes will be minimal

unfortunately there is no way to e.g. fix egregious bugs like infinite headlift without making somebodies factory require 1 extra pump when they unintentionally, unknowingly abused the bug. But does that mean that free infinite headlift should be ingame forever? I would say no, but changing it will cause an odd factory to stop working until reviewed.

[shrewd palm]

yeah if they do it well im assuming that current things should mostly be fine

[peak wasp]

Maybe instead we use trucks to fix it

[willow echo]

I'm in Phase 1 and my dog brought me 9 turbo motors, is this normal?

[zenith fractal]

the lizard doggo provides

[willow echo]

That’s so crazy 😭

It’s my first time having the dog

[sturdy mural]

i ran out of concrete damn

[candid torrent]

time to conc more rete

[lavish lance]

try walking next time

[coarse pebble]

guys wh
what if there was a trampoline that was compatible with jump pads and you researched it in the MAM and it basically just needed iron rods and fabric

how is there not a trampoline

[latent meadow]

does the starting location change how the mam works as well or no

oh

because i didnt find sulfer ther not a tree for sulver int he mam

[stone python]

no

[latent meadow]

i figure it out

it was because id idnt pick up sulfer yet

that it wasnt showing up in the mam

i totaly forgot about that i so use to just picking up so much stuff right off the bat and pretty much by time i get my mam out it like ready to go and star researching but this time was rushing in a diffent direction lol

[candid torrent]

sulfur more like gopher

[devout thunder]

has there been any word about building objects on the edge of blueprint machines, like stackable conveyor poles? i used to be able to do that a patch or two ago. the loss of the ability to do so really annoys me

[shrewd palm]

dont think so

[latent meadow]

no but i did see that the next update gonna have trucks that can transport liquids

[shrewd palm]

yes

[latent meadow]

i so excited

[shrewd palm]

and 1.2 is also probably gonna have a rework to fluids

[latent meadow]

yep

[shrewd palm]

they are more bothersome than they need to be

[latent meadow]

it needed it so badly

yes so true

[white dawn]

sulfur? Hardly even know 'er!

[wicked nacelle]

Poker?

[wicked nacelle]

I’d settle for pipes that could do it

[latent meadow]

that too

[wicked nacelle]

And maybe rails that trains could go on

[sullen gull]

Maybe I was drinking that one night, but I feel like someone mentioned, at some point, that there was a way to do "infinite" elevator height?

[coral bough]

Josh

I wish I could spend 1000 hours building noodles

I need to automate concrete but I need splitters

What

Spitter needs a buf

They also need a buff

Maybe aimbot

The dune desert is a pain

What

Damnnn

I dont got foundations do im limited on my building area

Tf does dd mean

Ohh

God im stupid

Gf could need mean my girlfriend

[abstract heron]

working on MORE refinerys

[coral bough]

What building makes ore?

[candid torrent]

miner

[zenith fractal]

miner

[coral bough]

Theres a difference one

That makes better ones

[candid torrent]

uhhh miner mk3

[coral bough]

Its not a miner

It takes a few different things and makes alot of ore

[candid torrent]

i guess u could use the converter for that

[coral bough]

What

[candid torrent]

matter conversion

[coral bough]

Ohhh

Idk if its that

[zenith fractal]

what tier are you in rn?

[coral bough]

Very beginning

[zenith fractal]

the only building that extracts ore from nodes is the mining drill. are you talking about refining the ore into ingots or something?

[coral bough]

Not the miner or refinery

I believe its a high tier building

[zenith fractal]

that does sound like the quantum convertor

[coral bough]

Idk give me a sec to see

[dense violet]

the only building that sits on an ore node to produce units of ore are the mk1 to mk3 miners.

[coral bough]

It doesn't sit on a node

[dense violet]

Well converters don't make ore, they convert it and it's very expensive and generally pointless

that's the only thing that can output ore

you saw some modded junk if it's not either of those

[coral bough]

The refinery

[dense violet]

that doesn't output ore

[coral bough]

Ik

I figured that out

[dense violet]

smelters foundries and refineries can all produce ingots?
'better' in these cases are subjective though

I avoid refinery ingots like the plague

[coral bough]

Why?

[dense violet]

because they are massive, obnoxious and you end up needing an absolute ass ton of them

there's foundry recipes that are very similar but often need like 1/3 of the buildings for the same output

for example Copper Alloy, Iron Alloy and Tempered Caterium.

[coral bough]

The 2 iron recipes dont make as much as the ones in the refinery

[dense violet]

ok? Iron Alloy in the foundry exists.
and ... iron is everywhere

[zenith fractal]

even if you avoid refineries I feel like they are still going to be the most placed building because of the amount of recipes that need them

[dense violet]

much rather either

a) build in a spot that has more resources nearby
or
b) just import a bit of iron if I absolutely have to

[coral bough]

The refinery still makes more per minute that the foundry ever could

[dense violet]

yeah, there's enough recipes and items that have to have refineries that it's super annoying adding more to the mix

[dense violet]

Iron alloy 75pm , Pure iron 65 pm.
and foundries are a lot smaller and easier to place

[coral bough]

Only problem i see with using the refinery ingots is the sulfer for sulfuric acid

[dense violet]

? you can use the water ones

I don't think you know the recipes very well

[coral bough]

I dont mind taking a few hours to make a building that has refineries

[coral bough]

Sulfuric makes more

Almost double

[dense violet]

you are realistically never going to use the whole map's resources anyway

[coral bough]

Dont need to, to have refinery ingots

[dense violet]

... I don't think you read numbers very well

Leached 50 -> 100 ingots
Pure 35 -> 65 ingots

nearly the same

[coral bough]

Still makes more per minute

[dense violet]

any case good luck with life

[olive belfry]

how do I get my mk2 miner to actually mine at 120 resources/min?

[dense violet]

clock it to mine it

or possibly a pure node at 100%

[olive belfry]

oh I see. It was an impure node I didnt even realize

mb. thanks for letting me kno

[dense violet]

no stress, great time to over clock the miner then!

[grim carbon]

Is impure limestone just as good as normal? Or does it take more to get the same results?

[dense violet]

it's technically more power per unit of limestone

but power is so easy and basically infinite that just using whatever is nearby is almost aways the easiest choice

[grim carbon]

How can I automate stuff

[dense violet]

use an automated miner
feed an automated smelter
feed the ingots into an automated constructor

[zenith fractal]

are you in the portable miner stage?

meaning you don't have regular miners unlocked

[grim carbon]

Just crafted 3 of them

[dense violet]

if that's the case you're in the pre tutorial, you can't fully automate things yet

[grim carbon]

Can you bend belts?

[zenith fractal]

yes

[dense violet]

I think this is again the case of telling you to 'just try things'. You'll get it

keep pushing forward

[grim carbon]

When I try it says it’s an invalid shape

[zenith fractal]

you are bending it too much then

[dense violet]

or trying to use straight mode in a weird spot

[zenith fractal]

that too

[grim carbon]

So don’t bend it like Beckham

[zenith fractal]

I don't get that reference but I am gonna say no. belts can bend but you need enoughh space for them to bend into a valid shape

[turbid merlin]

Soccer reference

[zenith fractal]

ah\

[turbid merlin]

David Beckham

[zenith fractal]

I don't watch football

but interesting either way

[grim carbon]

Neither do I really

I just know the line

[zenith fractal]

but anyway knowing how much a belt can bend is something you get used to the more you play the game

[grim carbon]

I’ve made a loop and can now go for a ride

[zenith fractal]

conveyor belt rollercoasters can be fun

[coral bough]

Pure node would do 240 per minute with a mk2

[grim carbon]

Ok fun is over

[feral geyser]

"She's not Lebanese, she's Punjabi"

[grim carbon]

Back to digging and making

[feral geyser]

That was a real throwback

[grim carbon]

Yep

[feral geyser]

When's the last time you watched that?

Easily 18 or so years for me

[grim carbon]

I never did

If I set a miner to get ore for me and a conveyor to move it, can I collect the ore off the belt to use?

[zenith fractal]

yeah

you can grab stuff off belts

[grim carbon]

How?

[dense violet]

click on them

just look at stuff, and use E, the interact button

[zenith fractal]

well when somethhing is on a belt it is visually there, walk up to them then click to interact.

[dim cradle]

The mk1 blueprints kind of suck... I managed to fit a 9 smelter setup with balanced outputs and a single input in it but that was kind of hell

[dense violet]

so make it in two blueprints
or don't use it if it 'sucks'

[silk ocean]

Mk.1 is a bit like building a blueprint on a postage stamp XD

[zenith fractal]

mk1 anything sucks

[dense violet]

mk1 pumps push

[dim cradle]

I have the 9-1-9 1-9 and 9-1 balanced in/out, splitter, and merger as blueprints already

just hooking them all up to 9 smelters while fitting all of that in was a pain.

[zenith fractal]

advancing to the next is the goal

[dense violet]

"so make it in two blueprints" next time. make life easier for yourself

[dim cradle]

Well hopefully it'll save some time

I mean I kind of can't...

not with how this is set up

[dense violet]

while I'm open to the possibility of whatever you're doing somehow being impossible to do in 2 chunks, I'm also dubious.

[dim cradle]

#screenshots message

[last orbit]

i guess i ran out of coal and no other coal deposits are near my factory

so now what

[dense violet]

put the second one on the side instead

or build a 2nd bp that has the top floor in it

[dense violet]

nodes don't run out

[last orbit]

seems like mine did

[leaden turret]

if you run out of coal you're either using more than you're spitting out of your miner, your belts are capping the output, or you accidentally turned off your miner

[last orbit]

its been too long since I played, idk how to troubleshoot the issue at this point

[dim cradle]

It's meant to have one input go to exactly 9 smelters to fill out a 270/min processing, then those go into that bigger tower you see which takes those and merges them before splitting them to 9 again to get a balanced output. If I split any of it, I would have to hook everything up manually and it wouldn't be modular

[dense violet]

all part of the design choice.

also if you built it next to the first bp, belts auto connect now

so no manually connecting it up

[dim cradle]

I think if I tried to split it up into chunks with belts that are supposed to line up that might have ended up even harder lol..

oh well at least I got a super compact 9 smelter line with balanced outs

[dense violet]

all part of design choices

[dim cradle]

Just took a lot of finangling

[dense violet]

load balancing in general is generally a pain in the ass

[dim cradle]

Lol yeah sec let me grab another screeny

[dense violet]

mostly pointing out that mk1 blueprints don't suck, it's just like if yo uwere trying to use a volkswagon beetle to move house. Gonna be a pain.

[dim cradle]

Pinged you with what my balancer and mergers look like alone

pretty tall ...

[dense violet]

multiple good reasons to not use them 🙂

[dim cradle]

Eh it works

[dense violet]

so do manifolds

both equally efficient, just if you add load balancing to any sort of build it will automatically become much more painful

which is a valid choice. Just something you need to accept

[dim cradle]

Manifolds must be new, I don't think we had those last time I played

well haven't got em yet anyway

[dense violet]

manifolds are the most basic way to build belts

[dense violet]

this is a manifold. It'll feed these smelters at 100% efficiency as long as you have enouhg parts per min and a fast enough belt https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1407002332239237210/1407004901015294013/image.png?ex=68fed5ad&is=68fd842d&hm=9b0641dad342cef4022877793e04563e2a8ff2c00622affcc9413af907fa4bb0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[feral geyser]

A manifold isn't a specific item, it's just a chain of splitters/mergers

[dense violet]

much like a load balancer isn't a specific item

[grim carbon]

Are there any benefits to collecting power slugs?

[dim cradle]

Oh you just meant that way of setting up splitters

[feral geyser]

Yes

[dense violet]

you can turn the slugs into things

[dim cradle]

Yeah I opted for one big tower to save footprint.

Then I made it also have surface level inputs by bringing the outputs down.

[dense violet]

yup anything that isn't load balanced is a manifold

[dim cradle]

Er other way around but you get it

[dense violet]

I'm looking at your BP and a manifold would be more space efficient

as it basically always is

[feral geyser]

Why are you building you balancer like that anyway?

9:1, you say?

[dim cradle]

Just a convenient number, and I wanted the blueprint for it to fit in a small horizontal space

[feral geyser]

9:1 is just 4 mergers though

3 groups of 3, then one more for those three

[dim cradle]

well the merger itself is on the right in that image

#screenshots message

That's not that big. The load balancer was me linking a merger to a separator that was inverted in order to merge 9 inputs into one output and then redistribute that into 9 outputs

[feral geyser]

For what purpose is this?

[dim cradle]

Balancing smelter output into any number of machines

or just any machine in general

it's just X:1:X where X<=9 I guess

and I wanted it all on one block to play around with lifts

[feral geyser]

Then yeah, you should just do a manifold, cuz that's basically already what you're doing, it would save space and probably belts.

Not a scenario for balancers

It does look cool though

[dense violet]

for example, the image I pinged you in #screenshots

[grim carbon]

If live to be able to mine copper ore with a miner but each deposit doesn’t have anywhere to put one

I’d love*

[dim cradle]

I mean I looked up manifolds, but that doesn't look like exactly what I'm doing at all.

[dense violet]

break apart the rocky deposit on top

[dim cradle]

It does on the input side, but not on the output side

[grim carbon]

Excellent! Got it

[dense violet]

just go up to stuff and press E, that will solve a lot of your questions

[grim carbon]

lol yes ok

I accidentally fell off a cliff into the void

[cunning siren]

Manifolds are fantastic once belts are upgraded to Mk.3 and they are kind of "OK" before that point and "Amazing" Mk.4 - Mk.6

[cyan valve]

will there be updates soon for machine noises that goes right through walls? I just dont like the sound of the noisy generators when Im near the power plant

[dense violet]

you have as much info from the video in #announcements as anyone else

also that sounds extremely unlikely

[silk ocean]

The walls do kinda block sound to a certain degree

[small pebble]

Do trains have a max distance? My train says it cannot make it to my station across the map

[silk ocean]

Not that I'm aware of, sounds like signals or stations wrong

[dim cradle]

Yeah no I get that, they're pretty simple to set up, it's just I think what I'm doing with that balancer is a lot different from a manifold...? 🤔

Will admit it's definitely a lot easier to hook up a manifold though lol

[cunning siren]

I agree balancers are not really useful in this game however

[small pebble]

Hmm okay

[dim cradle]

Tbh, it was a pain to make lol so maybe yeah, time probably better spent just haphazardly building stuff

[silk ocean]

Common mistakes are the station the wrong way around, or a signal is wrong somewhere along the route. Basically the pathfinder can't find a viable route usually due to one of those two things, or just no physical route, or a track break, anything like that

[cunning siren]

In the start that is kind of how it is, the game limits the player big time in order to gradually introduce stuff and "progress"

[dim cradle]

I've already gotten to the nuclear and above 3-5 years ago with a friend. I kind of just wanted to take things at my pace this time and see the new stuff

This blueprint maker is... kind of limited rn

[cunning siren]

Yea, it's not like Factorios "unlimited" massively adaptive blueprint system. So, gotta' kind of work with what we got 🤷. Learning what it can and cant do is helpful

[silk ocean]

My personal recommendation would be to just plop down a train and carefully drive the route, check every signal and intersection, chances are you'll encounter the problem somewhere. Check the destination station to make sure it's the correct way around when you get there

[dim cradle]

From what I can see of the manifold thing it's basically just like... a consecutive merge of each machine's output onto one belt, which you then have to split back out how you want... whereas I'm taking 3 machines at a time and putting them into one merger, then merging those three into one more merger, before splitting them back out into 1->3 splitter array, unless I'm missing something.

I think I did use manifolds when I had a mod that would kind of connect them up for me a long time ago, I guess it's nice they have blueprints to do that now lol

[dense violet]

its really just hte simplest method of connecting up groups of machines

have group A send X parts per min to group B. Done

[sturdy mural]

if the topic is about maifolds from what i can see

!wikisearch manifold

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[cunning siren]

Yep, auto-connect can be helpful (sometimes). It really depends on how you play or what you want. Sometimes it's more work than it's worth IMO. I find myself pruneing blueprints that were designed for it so, can be a double edged sword situation 🤷

Upgrading belts on a auto-connect blueprint 😆 can add extra headaches

[dim cradle]

And yeah my input rn is basically 1 splitter -> 3 splitters-> each machine which is a bit different in nuance but pretty similar to that injection setup so that's why I said that the input side was similar enough to what I had so yeah I agree with that, prob would have been better off just using manifold on input

[grim carbon]

Are those clouds of yellow dust acid?

[dim cradle]

I guess I just wanted to see if I could somehow fit a load balanced 9 output into that tiny blueprint XD

[zenith fractal]

you mean the toxic gas clouds?

[cosmic pawn]

just unlocked oil. any tips on making it work right?

[dense violet]

process it on location
process the byproduct into something yo ucan burn or sink

[feral geyser]

pay attention to byproducts

[dense violet]

otherwise it's exactly the same

[zenith fractal]

byproducts are evil

[cunning siren]

Use one of the tools to do the math for you 😆

[grim carbon]

Yes, I didn’t know they were deadly until I tried walking through some

[zenith fractal]

yup

[grim carbon]

Respawned so many times it’s not funny

[zenith fractal]

you gotta be careful around them

[sturdy mural]

MK2 pipes are not 600u

[grim carbon]

No kidding

Is it possible to explore without getting killed?

[sturdy mural]

(iirc there was an issue where they were like 599 or smth)

[zenith fractal]

yes, if you have a lot of healing and equipment to navigate hazards such as the toxic gas

[sturdy mural]

• food
• pulse nobelisk
• parachute
• jetpack
• bladerunners
• car the invincibility machine

[cosmic pawn]

like what kind of byproducts?

[sturdy mural]

Heavy Oil Residue, Polymer(?)

[zenith fractal]

if you wanna make plastic/rubber or fuel you will have byproducts

[cunning siren]

Altitude is your friend, if you are in a situation that is "killing you" zoop a ramp and BOOM. You are no longer being killed 🤷

[grim carbon]

Those things are not available early game

[zenith fractal]

for plubber it is heavy oil

[silk ocean]

Add filters to the list if you don't want to get damaged by poison

[zenith fractal]

for fuel it is residue

[silk ocean]

Gas Mask + Filters

[cosmic pawn]

any way to reduce the amount of byproducts?

[sturdy mural]

stock up on iron plates and concrete

[grim carbon]

Don’t have access to them either

[zenith fractal]

no, you have to get rid of them somehow

or you use alt recipes

[sturdy mural]

nope
best way to get rid of it is to sink it

[zenith fractal]

but byproducts are always thhere for oil

[sturdy mural]

don't explore then

or just be careful

[zenith fractal]

they are dangerous because if 1 product backs up the entire machine shuts down

[cosmic pawn]

how do i know if it starts to build up?

[sturdy mural]

but why do you want to explore if you don't have basic stuff

[zenith fractal]

it won't take long and you will know if you aren't using them enough

[dim cradle]

Basically you can just skybridge explore as much as you want, so if you want an easy time exploring just make a mini concrete factory and a iron plate factory for personal use. Let it pile up overnight or something, into several boxes, and then grab the tech for building floors and ramps. You can also just wall off enemies near things you want to grab

[zenith fractal]

just like products byproducts are shown of how much is made a minute

[dim cradle]

If you find a sulfur source, super easy to get bombs early and bomb everything to death too lol

[sturdy mural]

they added a full box to satisfactory