satisfactory

[dire prairie]

oh, and nuclear grenades

[cunning siren]

But... their meat in the package looks super good, like... DO want a 🕷️ 🍔 right now 🤔 🤷

[stray briar]

is a drone's throughput gonna be the same as the output of the miner that its attached to or is it gonna be less?

[exotic wolf]

Guys, im lacking motivation for satisfactory, what should i do gng?

[dire prairie]

that depends on how long the drone flies and how much ore you mine. a drone only has 9 inventory slots. 1 ore stack is 100. so if you produce anymore than 900 per minute it´s already not gonna be enough. and if you make less but the drone flies to long, it´s also not gonna work. in my opinion, drones are not really for ore transport. they are for more refined items which you have less per minute of

if you wanna transport ore, vehicles and trains (or simple conveyer busses) are a better option

plus, trains only take power. so no fuel shinanigans

[unkempt blade]

you're probably going to need multiple drones/drone ports if you're mining at any serious quantity

[hard ivy]

It's either gonna be more or less. Depends how much the miner is outputting and how far you're trying to carry it and on which fuel.

[unkempt blade]

play another game that's fun for you or go do something else entirely 😄

[dire prairie]

And more drones means more fuel. So for large item quantities it's very ineficient

[unkempt blade]

Yeah more fuel, more power for all the ports. I've used drones to move uranium before but I don't usually use them for much else for raw materials

[hard ivy]

For items with stack size 100, the theoretical cap for a single drone is 500 ish. At any appreciable distance, it's prolly gonna be 300-400 at best

[dire prairie]

Unless the stackable amount is higher (like radioactive waste with a stack size of 500, so instead of 900 items you can transport 4500)

[round parcel]

SHOULD i fully automate phase 2 parts or nah

so is it good idea automate stators and stators for the automated wiring or do i just automate stators and when the automated wiring is done i just delete the automated wiring factory

do i automate stators twice or nah

[dense violet]

may as well just keep feeding it over flow parts and send smart plate to storage for the next parts

once the storage is full it'll pause anyway

[round parcel]

thanks

similar question, do i automate versetile framework (modular frame and steel beam) or do i just take them from my frame and steel beam factory and "manually" craft the parts

[dense violet]

I'd give them the same treatement

you'll need a LOT for the next stages

so if you make a handful pm now continuously and let them store in acouple containers, you'll be set for the next phases

you'd be surprised how fast items pile up while you explore and build

[round parcel]

so i can just take the resources and overclock and sloop a assembler do the parts and just let then pile up?

[dense violet]

pretty much. Don't even need to sloop it though, they pile up fast

[round parcel]

alright

[hard ivy]

There's very little practical reason to fully automate space elevator parts. You should automate stuff that's needed for building, and then simply take some of it, dump it into containers, connect those to a single machine for each elevator part and make just enough to complete the elevator

[round parcel]

yeah imma do that thanks a lot you guys

or girls

[tranquil maple]

unrelated but my high school refuses to call the freshmen freshmen

they just call them ninth graders

[round parcel]

lol

[white grotto]

Does anyone orginize their base later on?

Cus my machines are every where and it's ugly asf

But I'm too lazy to fix it

[hard ivy]

Yeah, everything I build in phase one gets ripped out and rebuilt somewhere between the middle of phase 2 and middle of phase 3

[unkempt blade]

nope, all the cool people just intentionally make the mess worse with lots of bonus spaghetti

[mortal ginkgo]

Nope. I design them pretty at start so I dont need to touch them ever again. #design-and-architecture message

[unkempt blade]

But where is all the spaghetti? You clearly didn't put enough effort into creating a mess on purpose!

I do like all the foundation patterns though

[mortal ginkgo]

But but-

[cunning siren]

I have yet to see a dogo in the Dunes

[leaden turret]

butt butt is for poop poop

[unkempt blade]

I was thinking the river and oasis areas had some but I don't usually do a lot in the dunes

the dunes enrage me because I have to build any large foundation like 40m in the air so it doesn't run into dune hills

I don't need perfectly flat ground but I don't like huge lumps all over the place

[dense violet]

build multiple floors over a smaller space - problem fixed

[versed mesa]

Hey all need some advice please

[sour vessel]

Is it possible to select a large area and say upgrade Mk2 belts to Mk3 like you can in factorio?

[unkempt blade]

that's crazy talk, spaghetti needs a nice big foundation to spread across

[dense violet]

just have multiple floors of spagheti

[unkempt blade]

that's really more of a sloppy lasagna design than a spaghetti

[spare ice]

Hey guys. when using the drones, can I set a "fuel port" or do I have to make sure they just have enough to get to the port ?

[versed mesa]

As some may lmow am trying to work on a huge project but my heads has been wondering why ideally i wanted to try work on producing almos ever item and thats the lead be me to be working with Uranium proctions also is this a good idea plesse whats your thoughts ?

[dense violet]

enough fuel.

[sour vessel]

there are drones in the game?

[dense violet]

just feed it fuel from one station

[dense violet]

what are uranium proctions?

[spare ice]

So the port I fuel it from it is where it will keep refueling from ?

[unkempt blade]

I hope it's nothing but nuke nobelisks

[versed mesa]

Am hitting mind mental block today

[sour vessel]

can you order drones to upgrade stuf?

[spare ice]

Alright thank you ! 😄

[sour vessel]

or just logistics?

[dense violet]

afaik even the lowest rated fuel pretty easily goes back and forth across the map with a full stack so you should be good

[dense violet]

it's basically just a slow teleporter

[versed mesa]

I mean craft what ever that needs Uranium

[sour vessel]

not sure what teleporters are 😄

[spare ice]

Yupp, sometimes tho it stops on a port where I have no fuel 😄

[dense violet]

a teleporter is a scifi machine that moves items from one place to another instantly between spaces

[spare ice]

And it doesnot refuel if not completely empty?

[unkempt blade]

drones just move items from drone port A to drone port B

[dense violet]

drones are slow teleporter because all you need are two ports and they fly between with no effort

[sour vessel]

Oh I see

[dense violet]

it refuels as much as it needs

[sour vessel]

so like tractors but drones

[dense violet]

or up to full? can't remember

[dense violet]

except drones are much less work to set up

[sour vessel]

fair enough

[dense violet]

each individual drone carries far less though. But yo ucan always add more drones

[versed mesa]

@dense violet ive not worked on Uranium yet so it be my first time when i do current i want better production lines for mass producing more computers and more stuff

[mortal ginkgo]

game's biggest weakness is the upgrade system. i wish there was an actual upgrade mode where things are color coded.

also f that one smol belt stuck inside splitter.

[spare ice]

Alright;) ill see where it goes wrong 😄

[unkempt blade]

yeah something like the train blocks UI would be pretty nice for belts and pipes sometimes

[mortal ginkgo]

yup

[leaden turret]

not sure what you mean by upgrade system

[mortal ginkgo]

what DSP has etc.

[leaden turret]

haven't played it

[mortal ginkgo]

you should 👍

[cunning siren]

Yessss, I've done ~3 playthroughs in the Dunes and build altitude is an issue. The rock in the center of the dune (On the left in the screenshot) with a crash site on top is a good place to start if you want a big "flat" area. I build my storage level at that hight and 12 m up is main production 12 m down is where I process ingots into things wire cables sheets ect... and 12 m below that is where all the smelting happens. This helps keep things as low as possible and from not running into each other 🤷. It's also nice to be able to have designated build heights for things so belt highways are easy AF and do not intersect #screenshots message

[dense violet]

Your uranium power station should be completely separate from everything else. Make it from scratch in a new factory

[white grotto]

why are ur builds so optimized 😭

how do u even line them up so perfectly

[versed mesa]

Ah really

Ill try work on that then

[leaden turret]

still doesn't explain what you're talking about

[mortal ginkgo]

1- Plan/Imagine first.
2- Find the highest altitude
3- Use world grid

[white grotto]

alright too bad i cant imagine shit

[mortal ginkgo]

I dont know what I should explain. This game only got replacing, not upgrading.

I cant tell it to change an entire belt system that got splitter and mergers to be upgraded fully.

You wont understand what I mean if you dont know how easy it is to upgrade an entire system with one click as it is an alien concept to you but an expected QoL thing.

[leaden turret]

wouldn't it be more accurate to say "the game's biggest weakness is the lack of an upgrade system" then ?

[empty hill]

hidden 0th step: Craft 100,000,000 concrete
You may need them for all the paving you're gonna do

[mortal ginkgo]

in the screenshots you can see that the design is extremely simple.

you are not giving yourself time to explore (or enough time) so that things eventually start to click.

its not that you are shit at it. you just need to work on it

[mortal ginkgo]

it technically allows you to upgrade but yes maybe i dont know i am still in bed and its 5pm because i came from a nigtshift so yolo

[rustic pier]

I hate that the splitters seem to load items.. or is that because of the belt piece? It drives me nuts because i have to deconstruct it to clear the line if i got something where it shouldnt be due to reorganizing

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah they got buffers inside. again this is a meh coding issue.

there is just not a system to clear our a belt system you made etc

even pipes has a flush entire system button while belts dont have it.

I kek.

I only kek.

[empty hill]

could be good QoL if there were a "clear inputs" option on splitters/mergers and machines, in case something gets stuck in there

[mortal ginkgo]

main issue is game got no "merge objects" system. nothing is actually connected in a deeper meaning.

[versed mesa]

@dense violet can i ask you a question please

[unkempt blade]

in the spirit of genie wishes you just used up your question 🙁

[versed mesa]

Wtf noo

Lol

[empty hill]

at least you get 3
Use the remaining two wisely

[versed mesa]

@unkempt blade can i ask you ?

[unkempt blade]

Yes - questions answered

[empty hill]

also on a hard drive i got Copper Rotor vs. Fused Quickwire
Rotor seems useful but I wonder if mass amounts of quickwire will ever come in handy

[unkempt blade]

I like copper rotors because it uses screws

[true mulch]

both recipes are good, I personally favor steel rotor over copper rotor, but some people really like it

fused quickwire is pretty nice

[empty hill]

steel rotor does seem like the best option bc of throughput, we'll see if i find it

[versed mesa]

@unkempt blade so am working on big project with multiple factory builds right next to each other in swamp lands so i am next to the water fall with in the waterfall there is a cabe with Uranium Deposit should i build the Uranium factory up to if waterfall ?

[true mulch]

it's not "resource efficient", but it sure does make the factory way simpler

[unkempt blade]

just depends how you want the factory to look, I don't think there's a huge difference building it either way

[empty hill]

so far i really like the alt recipes that use 'higher grade' materials for better gains, like steel rods & steeled frames

[unkempt blade]

waterfalls can be fun decoration though

[empty hill]

just less machines which is always good

[versed mesa]

Thats the thing idk is the same with my new project am just going with it just trying to see what goes can give up now because much work has started on it

[versed mesa]

So true i love waterfalls so it make a great sense to place uranium Factory up top

[shy mulch]

Waterfalls are awesome

[versed mesa]

@unkempt blade this is my beginning if my huge project and the waterfall is next to this and the Uranium Deposit not sure yet qhat class it is hope its Pure #screenshots message

[lament niche]

uhhhh.... they seem to be running without water just fine

[versed mesa]

Or also its more bigget now was thinking of making multiple of theys around toether

Am just working on how to do things if you know what i mean and can improve more over time if am not happy with any of my builds

[mortal ginkgo]

steel rotor allows you to use same mats as stators, simplifying motor production and removing screws as mk3 belts are still meh to carry them

i am at phase 2 and i am not using any recipes that ask for screws yet there are screws on product models.

MYSTERIES OF THR UNIVERSE

[shrewd palm]

i hate stingers

when i get nukes im doing a small genocide

[mortal ginkgo]

[versed mesa]

Specially the big ones lol

[shrewd palm]

at least they're usually protecting something good

[empty hill]

the screws materialize from thin air, some kind of alien magic

this next hard drive has Fused Quartz Crystal and Automated Miner which feels like a skip

[versed mesa]

Theres one protecting Uranium Deposit where am at lol

[shrewd palm]

is it one of the big gas ones

[versed mesa]

Has ones what ?

[shrewd palm]

dont worry about it then you'll run into one sooner or later

[versed mesa]

@shrewd palm are there gas spiders ?

[shrewd palm]

maybe yes

maybe no

[empty hill]

wait Steel Screw seems amazing
One Hundred Billion screws incoming

[versed mesa]

@shrewd palm ive seen the gas beasts but no spider ones

[hard ivy]

I'd rather make less screws rather than more but you do you

[shrewd palm]

gas spiders hide

[empty hill]

in the event that i need them (which i never want to) i'll have a neat 260 per min

[versed mesa]

Where are they placed at ?

[shrewd palm]

there are a couple in the red forest, a couple in the swamp, and i think a lot hiding inside caves

[versed mesa]

Nice

[versed mesa]

Great am doomed lol

[shrewd palm]

its kind of silly that you can sneak up on hatchers and they wont do anything even if you attack them

[versed mesa]

Hatchers aint as bad now once you get to understand them lol

[shrewd palm]

hogs are pretty chill too but they have so much health

[leaden turret]

it's annoying that you can sneak up on hatchers and whack them with a stick but if you parachute in they notice you

[shrewd palm]

specifically cliff and nuclear hogs

[mortal ginkgo]

make them on where they are needed: profit.

steel screws goes amazing with heavy modular frame base recipe

[shrewd palm]

i dont think nuclear hogs even die to one nuke

[mortal ginkgo]

you can sneak parachute if you are holding crouch button

[versed mesa]

Nope

[mortal ginkgo]

game checks if you are pressing the button only

[shrewd palm]

the most annoying thing to build without a hoverpack has gotta be pipes

[empty hill]

i wonder what it's like to build a whole factory without foundations
I perish if I go off the grid

[lament niche]

Hear me out

A factory, that instead of being Ficsit Safety Orange, is OSHA Safety Green

[empty hill]

i never changed from Ficsit Orange but it's too late to go back

[feral geyser]

Safety green/yellow is #BCFF00

I use it as my outfit's secondary, the strap color

[white dawn]

Actually it's not too late; update a swatch and everything using it will be updated (apart from the "custom" swatch)

[feral geyser]

My colors are my signature purple, safety yellow, and pure black.

[mortal ginkgo]

And here I am being alpha male per usual with "Unpainted" option.

Mmh. Why am I always on top of the food chain. Mmh.

[empty hill]

oh damn i did not know that
I can now instantly Green everything

though I like an all-black swatch while in the desert biome

[lament niche]

No, not the yellow you see on caution tape, the green you see on like, someone's tools to indicate its their personal tools

[feral geyser]

Ah

[unkempt blade]

#screenshots message + a black, white, and gray

[feral geyser]

Already had two reacts on it, but added another

[unkempt blade]

I draw inspiration from a 10 pack of crayons

[cunning siren]

Can one ladder to the space platform?

[mortal ginkgo]

yes but no

[unkempt blade]

what about laddering to the low point then building it and hopping on?

[mortal ginkgo]

no but yes

[unkempt blade]

if that doesn't work I guess we have to resort to a big HT cannon + ionized jetpack

[shy mulch]

The platform that's about 500m up has a damage zone around it similar to the edge of the map, if you try to stand on it you'll die in about 20 seconds

[unkempt blade]

amended to include handslots full of consumables

[cunning siren]

Just gotta' toke on those inhalers harder 🫁 right? Vape addiciton is real

[zenith pecan]

🥶

[lament niche]

is there a mod that allows for super short hypertube lengths?

Need it for this: #screenshots message

[rotund pier]

I accidently deleted a world is there a way to get it back?

[hard ivy]

If you're playing on steam, you can check if it's still on steam cloud. Otherwise I'm pretty sure you're SOL

[lament niche]

Yeah, you can take it to a computer place to see if they can recover it

[unkempt blade]

seems like a good time to suggest people set up an auto back up for saves to something like google drive or dropbox

[cunning siren]

Look for a folder called SaveGames_backup 🤷 might be there

[versed mesa]

Earlier today i was trying to make new game and it was not allowing me todo anything in that bit with my controller not sure why would not let me

Heres a question guys

What do yous do if you manually build somthing big but wished you could copy it to make another the same ?

To save your time from rebuilding it over and over or do yous not worry about it and just manually build the same again over

[reef basin]

make it into a blueprint

[nocturne orbit]

guys I made the ultimate gameplay clip original meta meme #satisfactory-memes message

[versed mesa]

But what if its really big

[reef basin]

multiple blueprints

[versed mesa]

Damn how would you go about doing that then ?

[reef basin]

you make blueprints and place them next to each other

like puzzle pieces (and like devs intended the blueprint system to be used)

[rustic pier]

Yeah i wish they did. Like a reverse button lol

[versed mesa]

@reef basin what if its Architecture build

[coarse perch]

small bit of frustration - my chair died and the only chair that is comfortable (very bad back) doesn't fit near PC - so borrowing roomie's laptop and using Steam's Remote Play so PC can do gaming. Sadly my Satisfactory is on Epic, (I was one of the earlier testers) which I can't remote play. Between chronic pain, other issues (pet sick) and other life - I just really miss Sat as a distraction, and watching YT doesn't quite scratch the it *sigh
Want to get back ASAP ... well back to the meme channel 😉

[reef basin]

doesn't really change anything

[unkempt blade]

Hope you feel better and also you should be using more factory carts when you play next time because it's good for mind and body

[versed mesa]

Damn whats designer would be needed MK3 or the modded bigger ones ?

[reef basin]

you can break practically any build into small pieces

[coarse perch]

Sounds good to me 🙂 Just past my birthday and I was hoping to get everything done by now ... RL sucks a times 🙂

[versed mesa]

I see

@reef basin am going to need to try that but i think biggest designer will be better

[unkempt blade]

5x5x5 is pretty huge if you're not trying to do like an entire factory consuming a full miner in one go

[versed mesa]

@unkempt blade lets say 15 foundations across and 30 up

@unkempt blade look at my screenshot that i shared and you will see what am talking about

[sick falcon]

anyone got a 1 to 7 splitter

[white dawn]

!wikisearch balancer

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=balancer

[white dawn]

^ I think the wiki's got a diagram for that

[sick falcon]

oh sick ty

[white dawn]

Though you could also just manifold it and not worry about exact balancing

(Or even just vaguely eyeball it; doesn't really matter if it's a little bit off. Like manifolds, it'll self-balance after awhile)

[sick falcon]

whats a manifold

[white dawn]

[S]: Splitter | [M]: Merger | [B]: Building

              [M] ---> [M] ---> [M] ---> [M] ---> [Output]
               ^        ^        ^        ^
               |        |        |        |
              [B]      [B]      [B]      [B]
               ^        ^        ^        ^
               |        |        |        |
[Source] ---> [S] ---> [S] ---> [S] ---> [S]

[unkempt blade]

you can also find that on the wiki 😄

[sick falcon]

ty

[white dawn]

Basically just a single splitter in front of each building. When it starts out, the first building is getting way more than it needs and everything behind it is likely starving, but then the input buffer fills up, and the ones further down the line start getting more. Continue until all but the last two are full up; the last two will end up getting the exact amount that they need.

Takes a bit of time to warm up, but it lets you completely ignore weird splits like that. (And you can skip the warm-up time by pre-filling the input buffers, if you want)

And as I say, you could go somewhere in the middle, though most folks end up landing on full manifolds

If you split stuff up so that it's sort of balanced, it'll still work out in the end. The machines getting more than they need will "fill up," and those belts will back up a bit, and once that's done, everything'll be consuming exactly what it needs

[white grotto]

whats the thing i needa find so i can unlock dimensional depot in mam

[white dawn]

(so long as you're sending enough material into the feeder belt, anyway)

[unkempt blade]

and that's not even getting into vehicle based alternatives like the cartifold!

[white dawn]

SAM is a purplish resource whose nodes can be a bit hard to find. They're often in caves or in really high places

And the other is Mercer Spheres; you'll run across those pretty easily while exploring around; they're all over the place

[cunning siren]

Just plugged in first steel build, still on bio gens 😆

[white grotto]

so this works too?

[white dawn]

I think you need to find both, though I'm honestly not 100% sure how exactly the MAM research dependency works out

The Depot upgrades are technically below both the Sphere and the SAM start-points

[white grotto]

alr il start with it if not il get the other thing

[cunning siren]

The bio resources are stronk in some areas of Dune start

[white dawn]

Oh, well I suppose you need to mine SAM in order to build them anyway, so yeah, you'll need SAM too. :D

[stable snow]

Does anyone want to play a survival world with me

[white dawn]

#1201555265942724758

[unkempt blade]

you can handcraft the sam-based stuff for research when you unlock it in the MAM but it needs like phase 3 or 4 to actually automate it

[stable snow]

What do you mean by that

[white dawn]

Oh sure, I was more addressing the "what do you need to research it in the MAM" question

Wasn't sure if you could research Depot upgrades with only having found Spheres. But you need SAM anyway to build them, so I'm guessing that the SAM startpoint is required as well

You'd think I'd know how the MAM dependencies work; probably just need more caffeine today. :P

If you do have trouble finding SAM, you can cheese it by looking at SCIM (https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map) to find nodes. SAM's sort of the most difficult of all the resources, since it'll never show up in the hand-chippable deposits. For other materials, you can start scanning as soon as you chip away at one of those to find the "real" nodes, but not with SAM

[hard ivy]

Though the issue with the wiki designs is that they're bottlenecked

[white dawn]

Doesn't the image include both bottlenecked + non-bottlenecked versions?

(Honestly not sure why exactly it'd include the bottlenecked ones, but AFAIK it does have both)

I admit I've never fact-checked the non-bottlenecked ones myself

[hard ivy]

So it does. But only 1:5 and 1:7

[white dawn]

Fortunately the one asked for was 1:7. :)

[primal flax]

is it best to wait until i get recycled rubber and plastic recipes before i tackle oil

[unkempt blade]

nah do a small setup with vanilla recipes right away so you can start unlocking more research

[empty hill]

i always have an empty Basement after laying down the foundation for the factory over the dunes, i wonder what to do with it

[unkempt blade]

factory cart skatepark

[hard ivy]

Ah, it's the prime splitter array page that doesn't have the non-bottlenecked ones

But it does have mathematical proof of their existence XD

[white dawn]

hah, nice

[sick falcon]

why is pure iron such an ugly crafting recipe

35 > 65 is awful to work with

[unkempt blade]

ficsit says all recipes are beautiful

[hard ivy]

A recipe like any other. Could be 25√2 to 20π for all I care

[sour vessel]

On some videos, when placing down blueprints, they 1. able to delete the places blueprint instead of block at a time, how? 2. they are also able to middle mouse click anywhere in the placed blueprint to get the same blueprint up, how?

[sick falcon]

is the turbo heavy fuel recipe better than turning heavy oil residue into fuel and then into turbofuel?

[sour vessel]

how to toggle blueprint mode?

[hard ivy]

Turbo heavy fuel is awful for power

[sour vessel]

thanks

[cunning siren]

By the power of gigaladder!

[sick falcon]

but is it better or worse than turbo fuel made out of fuel made out of heavy oil

bc i know thats also not great

[hard ivy]

Regular turbo is much better if you use diluted (packaged) fuel to make the fuel

[sick falcon]

why does packaging matter

[hard ivy]

Diluted packaged fuel. It's a recipe

There's also diluted fuel, but it needs a tier 7 machine to use

The packaged version is available in tier 5

Both have the same ingredients

[sour vessel]

How fo you zoom in?

[sick falcon]

is there a way to make my conveyors automatically use stackable conveyor poles when im building them

[white dawn]

Not in the vanilla game, alas. There might be a mod for it

Would be nice if it was a thing you could explicitly toggle (and ideally default to whatever the previous belt had used on the endpoint, assuming it's still there

Though I suppose the game might not actually explicitly "connect" belts to their supports, since you can obvs dismantle them independently. Presumably just makes sure that the connection points line up and then is done with it

[cunning siren]

You can in camera mode! Press the P key and then mouse scroll

[hard ivy]

Auto-connect blueprints maybe?

[cunning siren]

I upgraded the personal uploader at the MAM and it didn't give it to me! Gonna try it again 😆

[shy fog]

36 propulsion to go, then I begin the 200 warp drives

[cunning siren]

OH wait, you need to have something uploaded through a "normal" depot before the personal uploader works.... thats odd

[hard ivy]

I don't get how so many people have this issue when I had the depot long before having manual upload on both of my saves

[cunning siren]

I rush personal uploader 🤷

[versed mesa]

👍

[sour vessel]

oh thank you !

[cunning siren]

Hit R in camera mode to fly around and survey areas like "drone view" too!

[shy fog]

using the detatched camera lets you scout a crash site so you can dive in, grab what you want, and run away before the critters get ya

[white grotto]

is there a way to dump excess fuel

[cunning siren]

It's also nice for scouting around for hidden entrances to caves and such

[limpid cairn]

Yes burn it

[white grotto]

with?

[shy fog]

Fuel Generator

fule = powah

[white grotto]

i dont have a fuel gen so theres no other way?

[shy fog]

package it

[limpid cairn]

Go to the hub and unlock it

[shy fog]

Petroleum Power is the same tier as Oil extraction...

[wispy rain]

is there a blueprint channel?

looking for inspiration and info for endgame rubber to plastic setups

[shy fog]

there's an upload site for them... two actually

Satisfactory Blueprints and scim

some cheating blueprints, some stacked insanity blueprints, some flat out "why would anyone..." blueprints

[limpid cairn]

Just ping @feral geyser lol

[shy fog]

oh, and... the ballistic warp drives are in progress now 🙂

[hollow barn]

hi i just got the game and need help dm me?

[shy fog]

ask your beginner questions openly

oh, and just do the Pioneer Obligitory Onboarding Program

[hollow barn]

thx

[shy fog]

also never worry about pretty or efficient at first. Just enjoy the game. Get it working. Be a pastafarian.

[hollow barn]

thx but can we talk dm me?

[feral geyser]

We talking plubber setups?

[limpid cairn]

Blueprints

[feral geyser]

I have blueprints for plubber

[unkempt blade]

if you had to replace one of the 4 recipes used for maximum plubbering what would you switch in/out?

[dim sundial]

anybody else running into pasta not going into the space elevator?

[limpid cairn]

For what do you not have a bp?

[frail sleet]

you probably clogged the belt

[sour vessel]

How do I start a path? I finished a path for tractor and loaded it but how do I get it to run?

nevermind

[dim sundial]

threw them in by hand and i have an entire containers full with no impurities. It kind is the same way SAM used to be, every time i build it a few goes into the elevator then it stops

[frail sleet]

weird

i've always manually loaded my pasta etc

[shy fog]

68/200 warp drives done... then I finish phase 5 for the first time

[frail sleet]

what's the first thing you're gonna build after you finish the tutorial

[shy fog]

An actual factory 😛

just an fyi, I still only have one manufacturer

[shy zenith]

Has anyone ever piped oil pretty far back to your base rather than processing at location?

[loud kernel]

hello everybody, I just joined the discord because of an issue with my multiplayer save taday

my game just crashed several time in a shot row

and one of my multiplayers bugged under the map

another could not see some buildingparts anymore

does someone know how to fix this

[leaden turret]

#dedicated-servers / #1038092680493801533 if nobody responds here

[frail sleet]

Easiest is probably loading a save before it happened

[loud kernel]

does not help

still crashes

[frail sleet]

it will fix the player position and other issues

[loud kernel]

i just wrote in the troubleshooting post

[lament niche]

Thoughts? #screenshots message

@mortal ginkgo you especially are getting @'d.

[mortal ginkgo]

[lament niche]

I made the complex prettier with the amount of space I have >:D

[mortal ginkgo]

I was such a FOOL to think otherwise!

You madlad did it!

did you know that it is a good way to make someone achieve something by saying it is impossible to do so?

keh keh keh.

[sweet surge]

I restartedy save after beginner mistakes compounded and made the late game a slog. Im starting to set up trains after like 1/4 of the time it took the first time

[shy fog]

reminder: late game is just learning to not restart

[stable rapids]

anyone got some advices for beginners

[leaden turret]

late game is just learning when to restart 😛

[spice spindle]

I don't have the jetpack unlocked yet 💀

Is there a better way than lookout towers than to get a semi-top down view?

[shy fog]

foundation ramp

[hard ivy]

ladder

[spice spindle]

okay cause no matter what I try to do and how careful i am to follow guidelines, nothing is lining up correctly DX

[shy fog]

use the nudge option

[spice spindle]

huh? I don't see that

[reef basin]

best advice imo is to play on your own rather than trying to follow advices from others 🙂

[stable rapids]

is multiplayer fun ?

[reef basin]

that depends from person to person

[frail sleet]

When you have the build hologram up, press H, then you can move it with arrow keys + pgup/pgdown

holding ctrl makes it 0.5m step instead of 1m

Foundations also have a building snap grid that everything snaps to, so it's a lot easier to line things up when building on them

[sick falcon]

what’s the fun in just copying others blueprints

[frail sleet]

With the right people, yes. Very hard to get peeps you're in sync with though. Game can be very long (hundreds or thousands of hours, depending on goal and playstyle) and there's also a huge gap between the skill floor and ceiling.

I started completely new with a good friend doing the same and it was a 10/10 intro to the game

[stable rapids]

my friends are broke and cant afford the game lmao

[thorn delta]

How do you report bugs?

[unkempt blade]

Yeah it's better than single player. Just don't get too opinionated about how other people build 😆

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @leaden turret

[thorn delta]

👍

[dim harbor]

It can be fun, but can be frustrating later if everyone is working in the same factory. It’s easier if everyone has their own “module” instead of everyone eating from the same bowl of spaghetti. Either have separate power grids or use “Priority Power Switches” to keep the whole grid from going down when the spaghetti gets cooking again.

[small pebble]

When does “late game” start??

[proper hound]

I have been called!
There used to be "Stackable Instead Pole" mod but is currently broken - you can ask on modding discord if it gets revived.
There is also "Construction Preferences" that I think allows setting prefered pole type, but have not tried the mod myself.

[sick falcon]

is there a mod to make me less indecisive

[spark sky]

Signs that are set at max emission just look bright, they don't actually light up their surroundings?

[proper hound]

Not a game mod, but you could install d20 into your pocket

[proper hound]

Turn on Lumen

[spark sky]

I did, at Medium, I didn't think I saw much change, not from the signs at least.

Perhaps I need to take screen shots to compare.

Hm, let me see, build a dark room with a sign pointing away from me and see what happens...

Okay, that didn't work, the room has light in it (the floor and one wall are lit, with no lights in the room).

[unkempt blade]

Yes! Roll a dice to decide instead of deciding for yourself

[spark sky]

Hey, I hear there's a Magic 8-ball app for your phone.

[small pebble]

When would you consider late game to have started? I’d assume trains are more mid game?

[unkempt blade]

Can we really trust computers to make our decisions for us? I've seen how dumb chatgpt is. Maybe we should stick to analog magic 8 balls

[unkempt blade]

when I unlock the hoverpack is when my builds become "permanent" so that's my answer I think

[spark sky]

Perhaps when the new Stochastic chips come out? I just saw a video this morning on those.

[small pebble]

Interesting okay

[proper hound]

d20 usually suffices for whatever decision you need to make. Odd/even for binary choice, modulo 3, discard 19/20 for three choices, 5/10/15/20 ranges for four choices and so on.

[unkempt blade]

yeah if you have more than 20 options you should probably simplify your life before making any big decisions

[proper hound]

You can use pair of d10 to decide between more than 20 options

[spark sky]

You know the old saying, "When you come to a fork in the road, take it."

[unkempt blade]

yeah I think being confident and stubborn is more important than making good decisions in life satisfactory

[spark sky]

By the way, I hear Craps is a game using 2 dice. If you are playing in a back alley and one goes down the storm sewer, all you can play is Crap!

[unkempt blade]

I've heard they're giving out free money, seems like a good fork in the road to take

[spark sky]

I've heard that, if they're giving out something for free, you're the product.

[proper hound]

I use my d20 for rolling will saves. Just rolled 17 against sleepy, so I will be staying up a moment longer.

[unkempt blade]

it's too bad we can't play DnD in the hub, that would make the game even better

[spark sky]

Hm, so, I have Lumen on Medium, I made a room out of concrete walls and normal foundations, and one wall and the floor are still bright, even with the door shut.

[unkempt blade]

obviously we'll be able to play satisfactory in the hub because it was in the console release trailer but they should let us do other games too like tabletop simulator

[spark sky]

Tabletop Simulator. I haven't played with that for a long time.

I should reinstall it.

[spark sky]

BTW, how do you do that striken-out text?

[unkempt blade]

highlight and click strikethrough or double tilde on each side

[spark sky]

Strikeout! Ah!

[proper hound]

Wanted to joke "its a premium" feature, but scared they may hear and actually do that.

[spark sky]

I don't blame you...

[unkempt blade]

incoming animated strikethrough as part of the premium membership

[spark sky]

Next they'll have ANSI text so you can do ANSI animations, just like on the old BBSs.

[proper hound]

"FreeUsersNowHaveLimitedCharactersPerHour"

[spark sky]

Shh, that might become a thing. It's already showing me in Slowmode.

[unkempt blade]

what I always thought they should do is an ad banner replacement for text from people I blocked 😆

[spark sky]

I thought you blocked them so you didn't have to see what they typed?

[unkempt blade]

and discord could be cashing in on that!

[dim dock]

Does anyone know if BP chaining works even if you don't utilize the whole width of the bp maker?

[proper hound]

BP dont care about machine dimensions, only the outline shape of the blueprint itself

[dim dock]

This~ thanks i wanted to know exactly this.

How do you usually connect though? Do i need to place mount points? does the game take care of the mount points overlapping?

[spark sky]

Hm, I just made the walls, floor and ceiling all 2-layers thick, and it's still not dark inside the box.

[solar sky]

where is the best place for help troubleshooting steam crossplay with epic

[shy fog]

only 18 to go

Soon tm

[dim dock]

ok i got the hang of it~

[vivid meteor]

since patch 0.7 i always get to like tier 8 then restart idk why lmao but this time I've been grinding and I'm currently on. nuclear pasta/thermal propulsion rockets/ assembly director systems/ and magnetic field generators/ and for w.e reason I have decided to go through the massive project of building them all at the same time producing 1 full machine for each. Let me tell you guys this has to be the most aids project i have undergone so far. Check out my set up and this is just for the iron side of things lmao

rip nvm cant send pictures lol but its huge guys lol

[true mulch]

#screenshots

[latent meadow]

i was the same way but my firend kicked me though the last little bit kicking and screaming and swearing lol

[spare ice]

Hey guys, is tehre a way to make conveyer walls not snap to the foundation?

[dim dock]

on terrain you can place freely.. on a foundation it'll always snap afaik

[shrewd palm]

i have unlocked trains
time to let the autism take over

[dim dock]

You can use beams in freeform mode. then let the wall snap to the beam instead

[spare ice]

How do I use freeform mode 😛 ? FYI I have my foundation down already

[dim dock]

R to select mode, as usual

put the beam between two points on your foundation. then let the wall snap to the beam

[spare ice]

I only have default and zoop when I press R ?

[shrewd palm]

does turning up the saturation to make concrete a solid colour still work?

[spare ice]

AHHHHH I use beams first I see

[shrewd palm]

im trying to do that but it doesnt seem to be working

[spare ice]

Tytyty

[spare ice]

Again lmao 😄 I cant get it to work, I put beam and tried double beam connector

[dim dock]

ignore the connector. you can always put them later. put the beam first. if you can't snap the wall there; or the foundation is override it, then remove the foundation momentarily, place the wall then place the foundation again

[spare ice]

GOT IT 😄

I was using the wrong thingy 😄

[dim dock]

if it's not vertically aligning, then place a 1m foundation, and let the beam snap to the vertical center of the foundation.

for reference: #screenshots message

[shy fog]

Done... finally done

[spare ice]

Thank you very much! 😄 It unlocked so much ;D

[shy fog]

I guess I'm now at "so... what do I do now?" point

[spare ice]

With what btw ?

[shy fog]

phase 5

[spare ice]

Aw shiat niiiice

Setting up for phase 4 😄

[limpid cairn]

Ficsonium

[deft cypress]

Yall wanna know what feels so good about satisfactory?

The fact of being able to play it again after it blew the last gpu up

[signal shale]

setting up a railroad and then watch it do its thing has got to rank up there, too

[dense violet]

create foryourself a personal challenge. Probably based around mechanics you like

for example if you really like trains you could centralise basic item or ingot production in a few spots across the map. Tha twould mean needing a ton of trains in and out. A big challenge

Could also include production goals, like 1000 hmf pm

[dim harbor]

if you aren't processing every resource node on the map you haven't finished satisfactory yet

[shrewd palm]

but your pc will also be functional

[candid torrent]

i need a nuclear power plant now

[solid grail]

Good luck

[candid torrent]

quantum encoders looking at my weak little 20gw fuel plant

[sullen gull]

Like a light snack 😏

[candid torrent]

plutonium kind of has me looking at a rocket fuel plant though

ugly dumb numbers

[dense violet]

how so?

[signal shale]

So this is a silly question, could you just put a train station along a route that you never stop at, as a way to get power to an area? Like, I'm setting up a train to get SAM and quartz out of thee stinger cave in the north of the map, and wanted to just drop a station outside by the coal so I can tear down a couple power towers

[dense violet]

sure. but imo you're better off running cables under the train line.
I don't want to be editing my train system and cut power to whole factories

[dense violet]

what about the numbers are ugly?

[white dawn]

If nothing else, doing so would also provide you a nice passenger-rail stop if you ever want to go back there. :D

[candid torrent]

using waste in 2 steps

dung!

[white dawn]

(I personally share CobaltOfDoom's opinion that I don't really like relying on rail to transmit power, since I don't want to accidentally cut power somewhere if I'm adding an intersection or whatever elsewhere in the line, but it's not an unpopular choice. :)

Though of course once your rail network gets expansive enough, it's unlikely to actually affect power anywhere since you've probably got a decent "web" going on anyway. But I suppose there's always edge cases

[candid torrent]

actualy nvm i'll deal with plutonium

576 fuel generators is BONKERS

[tropic juniper]

i always end up having large power line towers going everywhere because i use them for zip lining

[white dawn]

Heh, fuel gen spam burnout is real

If you weren't already planning to overclock 'em, you could at least cut that down to 231, of course

And if you're okay with some real tight piping, you can fit 4 in a 5x5 blueprinter, which can help quite a bit

(even just doing 2 in a blueprint, to give the piping more room to breathe, can help)

Though even 231 is way more than I'm personally willing to do. I much prefer building out nuclear, at those scales. :P

[feral geyser]

Building them 3 at a time with blueprints smooths that grind a little bit.

[candid torrent]

also that would require me to source 1600 sulfur/min on the western coasts

[feral geyser]

It's only 77 blueprints then 😛

[candid torrent]

there is absolutely zero sulfur here

[feral geyser]

There are two pures down the coast a bit in the cliffs

[candid torrent]

guh

[feral geyser]

Plus one in the cliffs near the water fracking node.

Plus the one near the coral bay in the north

You can just drone them all over to there

[candid torrent]

i am going to need a bigger airport soon

i have to import everything

[feral geyser]

I have a drone port cubby BP lol

Has the port on top, storage containers below for in/out and fuel

[white dawn]

Heh, my own nuclear buildout on my 1.0 save imported literally everything by drone except sulfur. :D

[candid torrent]

i just unlocked mk3 blueprints about 3 minutes ago so i can hopefully get even more handy junk in there

[signal shale]

speaking of the north, man, I'm kinda stumped as to where I want my quartz/SAM train to cut across to the coast

[white dawn]

That was the one thing which was nearby. :P

[candid torrent]

my quartz train runs across the coast :3

[white dawn]

(Granted what I was shipping in was the "final" non-radioactive components which go into the radioactive bits, so I wasn't building nuclear from scratch all onsite)

[candid torrent]

the purple train is a godsend

omg why havent i painted it purple yet

its sole purpose is to move my quartz and sam

[signal shale]

you can see where my space elevator is, I am just trying to avoid sky trains but the cliffs in the rocky desert are making it a real challenge to find a clean way to make a ground level train route, IMO

[candid torrent]

i have skybusses in my rocky desert

it was pretty unavoidable starting here and trying to make steel

[signal shale]

I guess I could follow the river up to the lake, and maybe cut north then

[candid torrent]

considering theres like a 400 foot tall waterfall between coal and iron 😭

[signal shale]

oh, I ship steel from the iron nodes near the coal.

i'm setting up a coal belt from some coal in the cliff caves just to my south, but I've been distracted by trying to get some other things done

[solid grail]

Do you build your train tracks at ground level without foundations?

[candid torrent]

finally...

dark matter crystalization

the most recipe of all time

honestly why would u ever use dmc

[feral geyser]

To get rid of extra DMR?

[candid torrent]

yeah but like the regular recipe w diamonds

[feral geyser]

Or to make dark ion fuel without power shards

Then you have to make more diamonds too

[candid torrent]

it makes slightly more dmc but also the alt recipe literally just requires air as ingredients

[feral geyser]

Exactly

And DMR comes from most of the other processes, so you gotta use it up.

[candid torrent]

why would u add diamonds to an honest to god completely free item

[feral geyser]

DMC is the recipe that doesn't use diamonds

[signal shale]

I've been trying to have minimal foundations, using a half foundation section at the end of each rail segment

[feral geyser]

There's the regular recipe (DMR+Diamond), the crystallization recipe (only DMR), and the trap recipe (DMR+TC)

[candid torrent]

TIME FRYETAL WHY

i can barely make enough time crystals to support my mk6 belt addiction

[feral geyser]

Then yeah, use crystallization, no need for extra diamonds or TCs

[candid torrent]

oop hello dark ion fuel

it is time to upgrade my drone (and jetpack) fuel plant

[feral geyser]

Yeah, you just need extra fluid cans cuz the convertor burns them up.

And i wouldn't use it for generators, cuz it sucks.

[candid torrent]

oh i was only planning on turning my very tiny little fuel line into ionized fuel

[shrewd palm]

yes

[candid torrent]

wont even fill up mk1 pipes

[dense violet]

just drone it in or pick a different spot

you don't have to process the uranium waste where you make it
it's in fact very easy to ship the waste out by drone

[signal shale]

#screenshots this is basically what I'm trying to do.

[shrewd palm]

tomorrow the great Train Autism Adventure begins

gonna make the european rail network look like the US one

[feral geyser]

Brought to you by Tylenol

[shrewd palm]

hell yeah

[candid torrent]

i love traintism

[solid grail]

Oh I see nice. So you don't build ramps to go over obstacles?

[dense violet]

if you zoop a line of foundations first, the whole way, you can place pillars that hold up your tracks

this helps both in planning around potential terrain issues and keeps your rail very tidy

[signal shale]

well, I have to, but I try to minimize them by finding natural ramps insteead of just "as the crow flies" "fuck it, add a second engine!" type approach.

[dense violet]

an ugly example but shows how it works https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1423747654508216592/image.png?ex=68f3e4d4&is=68f29354&hm=8cefee370ab21f516dd2f1266b1e8c4af4e0c4e3bb53dab46814b04d6f99eb5e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

from before u5, so no fancy architecture items

[solid grail]

Still looks clean

[signal shale]

Yeah, I'm just doing a single loop for this route, one section at a time. It's a bit more work, but I like to think it feels better since I can't do like IRL and just dynamite my way through if need be.

[dense violet]

thanks! this is a more current one build using essentially teh same method https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1425104545020641300/1425108241725001738/image.png?ex=68f43aba&is=68f2e93a&hm=0333ef5de63f8d3e7040a355c0f856b2b636a9d9a6924bb67c5c58c1f2e7177a&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

having stacked rail makes twisting around terrain easier

[solid grail]

Very nice. Im still at coal power so did not even unlock trains yet 😂

[dense violet]

oh yeah you can just do long belts for ages if you don't want to open that can of worms

like everything in the game it takes practice to learn how and where to use it. Need to plan your factory locations well to make real good use of it>
unless you just do sky infrastructure, but thats a lose condition imo

just accept your first train system, like basically every first in the game, will probably be terrible. That's normal

the important part is learning from it

[signal shale]

Here's a better shot that maybe shows my approach to this rail line better. #screenshots

[dense violet]

main issue with doing it that way is when using 2 lanes, which... you probably should be doing if yo uever plan on useing more than 1 train

and the super power of Trains is being able to reuse all that infrastructure you built for more lines you connect up

[solid grail]

Ye looking forward to it. I just unlocked vehicle transport.

[signal shale]

nah, there's no room for multiple rails in the stinger cave

[feral geyser]

It's very cramped in there

[dense violet]

dont drive through cavse

or do this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932761153703149659/1397407979946508298/image.png?ex=68f3a6d9&is=68f25559&hm=259b7743c218b9586a298ace2ce58eecfa7abe017bb9cda271316ccd41ae03a9&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[feral geyser]

The materials are in the cave -_-

[signal shale]

weell, it's either drive through the cave, long belts, or clip through the terrain up to the surface

[dense violet]

if you only have 1 train that needs to pick something up into a cave that can be a single lane branch you can manage pretty easily. But main lines? should double lane

[signal shale]

yeah, this is just a single loop for SAM and Quartz because trucks are... trucks, so no thanks.

[dense violet]

trucks are like trains, you need to plan your factories around the terrain to use them

they shine when you can use natural roads

and record turns slowly. Those 2 things fix like 99% of truck issues

[solid grail]

Should i use them? i just unlocked trucks

[feral geyser]

I wish it was easier to do path editing with vehicles

Like, you could nudge nodes of the path to make small corrections.

[dense violet]

if you want, they're pretty simple.
depends on the terrain between the points you need to transfer things through

[signal shale]

trucks are... look, they're mostly fine, but their pathfinding is bad, and route-building can be extremely finicky.

[dense violet]

their pathfinding is as good as the path you make 😛

'take turns slowly'

[signal shale]

Dune Desert? Cool. Northern forest? Uh, maybe not.

[solid grail]

Alright ye i started in the desert so pretty flat

[dense violet]

nah, both are fine for trucks

some sections of the northern forests would require infrastructure to help though

there's a few places that are only wide enouogh for 1 lane of traffic

but those places also tend to have multiple paths available so you can loop around as well

[dim dock]

can you vertically snap pipe junctions or pumps? I've been trying to do this but failing miserably. (like on vertical pipes)

[steel kelp]

Hi guys

Can anyone recommend a youtube video i should watch before the console release?

[dense violet]

should be very easy to, yes

[dim dock]

subsequent ones are easy, but how do i place the first one?

[dense violet]

for the basics of learning? probably avoid them tbh.
the game has a very good learning structure and a lot of videos are ver yquestionable

[dense violet]

oh without a pipe? place it against a wall

[dim dock]

OH! thanks

[dense violet]

lots of building tricks in the game involve placing other items first to get the location yo uwant and then removing them after 🙂

if you see any fancy factories in screen shots? probalby 2 or 3x the amount of items were actually used in the process

[dim dock]

yeah i'm curious why i didn't think of it... maybe i never tried or it was probably added later on and i just ruled it out

[violet brook]

Does it make more sense to use power slugs for miners given that with constructors and assemblers, you can just make more of them?

[dense violet]

it happens 🙂 sometimes you just need a different view point on a problem

[feral geyser]

Yes

[dense violet]

early on? yes. Apart from extractors/miners, all shards do is save space.

which, don't get me wrong, can be very very useful. I over clock everythign later

[signal shale]

don't forget to sloop your slugs to shards constructors

[violet brook]

I already crafted them into power shards

[feral geyser]

Sloop them next time, get double

[signal shale]

then, in the future, sloop them

[dense violet]

sloop the next ones 🙂 there's basically infinite on the map, you'll be ok

[violet brook]

wait what

(I'm at tier 4.

[dense violet]

have you unlocked stuff in the MAM yet for alien stuff?

[feral geyser]

Use a somersloop in a constructor to make them

[dim dock]

sloops are limited though. shards you can make more of later in the game.

[signal shale]

you get sloops back when you deconstruct the machine

[feral geyser]

Yeah, but sloops don't get consumed

And 100+ is a good number, you can spare a few for your slug/remains processing plant.

[violet brook]

So what was I supposed to do?

Not craft the shards?

[signal shale]

liquid biofuel isn't a bad process to dedicate a few sloops to, either.

[dim dock]

i meant sloops are more worth to temporary or final products factories.

[feral geyser]

Put a somersloop in a constructor and make the slugs in that

[violet brook]

I haven't made miners for quartz and SAM yet

[feral geyser]

Of course, craft them if you need them, but if you can, use a sloop and get double

[dense violet]

if you want to double them? use a constructor with sloop after you research it 🙂

it's not a huge issue though. There's lots of slugs around and people managed just fine before Slooping was a thing

[violet brook]

(Nor have I gotten any

[feral geyser]

You should go hunting for some quartz and SAM then

Quartz for blade runners and windows and stuff, SAM for more depot/sloop power

[violet brook]

I'm mainly redesigning my factory to accomodate for 6 new iron veins

[feral geyser]

Hell yeah 😎

[lament niche]

Can I get suggestions from you folk? #screenshots message

[signal shale]

that is a common issue

[dense violet]

build up 🙂 no need for a redesign

[violet brook]

No because my old one sucks and had like 200+ of everything stuck

[dense violet]

stuck?

[violet brook]

And I'm kinda a perfectionist

[feral geyser]

The building on the left is sick, I like the structural frame pieces. You should incorporate more of those in the building on the right.

[violet brook]

Lemme rephrase. 200 of an ingredient being put into industrial buildings faster than it was being spent.

Lost efficiency and production

[dense violet]

eh sure, if that's an issue for you, you do you 🙂
my starter factories just overflow and store tons of things, I really don't bother with efficiency while unlocking tiers. It's a lot of work

[feral geyser]

Sounds like you gotta do some more math

[lament niche]

that's a bridge

[chilly sonnet]

The factory must optimize...

[dense violet]

eh, perfect factories come later

[feral geyser]

Regardless, the frames give a cool openness to it

[lament niche]

also, which building on the right? There's like four of them

[solid grail]

[feral geyser]

The one immediately next to the elevator, that still has mostly orange walls.

[solid grail]

Time for a steel factory

[feral geyser]

Get that pure iron and solid steel ingot for boosted yields.

[solid grail]

Alright im going to try get the recipes

[dense violet]

pure iron is pretty overrated.
the pure recipes in general honestly.

it's often easier just importing more ore from somewhere else or using a better location for your needs

huge amount of refineries and piping.
and iron is ... eveyrwhere.

[solid grail]

True but would that not be more work to set up and process

[feral geyser]

Even better yet, leached is good, uses way less water and does an actual doubling of ingots (5:10 instead of 7:13), for the low low cost of sulfuric acid.

[dense violet]

depends on your location and needs

a huge part of the game is planning factory location

[feral geyser]

Depends if you find refineries easy or not lol

[dense violet]

and what recipes you use in conjunction

for example, Copper Alloy ingot from 1 assember outputs almsot 3x as much as 1x pure refinery

needs a bit of iron to do it, and doesn't quite output as much. But jfc is it simpler and more compact.

and helps prevent turning the game into a refinery simulator

[feral geyser]

Iron Alloy too is pretty cracked early game

[dense violet]

yeah copper alloy essentially converts Iron to Copper, whic his amazing

Iron alloy needs a drop of copper to really extend copper

[feral geyser]

But pure is objectively the worst recipe for copper

It is so damn slow

[solid grail]

Solid steel ingot only needs smelters and constructors right

[plain gate]

slow?

[dense violet]

and foundries for the steel

[dense violet]

little output pm per machine

[plain gate]

i mean it's not too bad, you can megaprint down refineries really easily

7-8k ingots per 20x20 foundation

[feral geyser]

I'm being hyperbolic when I say "objectively the worst"

[zenith fractal]

leached copper is more niche imo

[dense violet]

I mean, installing other people's finished factories basically overcomes every barrier in the game yes
but also at that point, why are you playing the game?

[solid grail]

Oh right

[feral geyser]

It gives you comparable conversion rate at much higher output per machine, so even counting the extra machines for sulfuric, you save space

[plain gate]

no i mean, just laying down a floor of refineries and nothing else, i don't see how that detracts from gameplay

its not like a production chain is already thought out and you can just plop

[feral geyser]

Cobalt is thinking you said you just make someone else's factory plan by blueprint

[plain gate]

refineries are possibly the most boring shit to build in the game their vertical footprint is godawful

[dense violet]

ignores all the important choices of recipes, location, build effort set up and design
proceeds to say: " i don't see how that detracts from gameplay"

[plain gate]

it's just the idea of a blueprint at a bigger scale

[feral geyser]

That's why I make them in blocks of 3 with cables, pipe manifolds, and belts already in place

[dense violet]

yes. thank you for pointing out the issue

[plain gate]

thankfully we have autoconnect now lmao

[feral geyser]

So wait. Sharing plans and factory layouts with each other is now "circumventing" the game?

[zenith fractal]

pretty sure muffin is just saying if you want 216 refineries you can just make a megaprint of just 60 refineries in a line

basically just a blueprint you use for mass machine building but to a larger scale

[dense violet]

yessss, and that's the whole reason why blueprints are limited. Because if you just place down large finished factories you're avoiding a lot of the processes

[zenith fractal]

but it's just refineries in this case

not a finished factory

[dense violet]

so?

[feral geyser]

Oh no, now he's curmudgeoning

[dense violet]

it's a finished factory. A factory that is outputing a product

can you do other thigns with the products? sure.
anyway go ahead, skip most of the game play if yo uwant, it's a sandbox after all

[feral geyser]

Anyway. Who wants blueprints for a plubber factory?

(Some assembly required)

[plain gate]

i dont think anyone enjoys that menial part of the gameplay though lmao so

more fun is thinking through the planning instead of doing it

[feral geyser]

Laying out over 150 refineries and blenders for plubber was quite the challenge

[zenith fractal]

we literally just established what muffin was suggesting wasn't a finished factory

[feral geyser]

I tried several different block arrangements to minimize the amount of belting and piping I had to do

[dense violet]

literally any system is a finished factory, you established nothing other than using 3rd party tools like mods to 'solve' game play strategies

[feral geyser]

He's curmudgeoning now, don't even bother.

[dense violet]

which if you want to avoid game play mechanics and strategies with mods, sure go for it, but it's not a good argument for any particular method of building within the game

[woven drum]

I'm still building spaghetti but technically I'm still in the tutorial.

[dense violet]

it'd be like saying

'why build trains to get materials? install a mod that creates new nodes next to you'

that would nto be a good argument for a strategy

[feral geyser]

No one said anything about mods though

[zenith fractal]

what game play strategy is there in mindlessly placing machines in a line? the real challenge is making sure you did the math right along with handling connections of pipes and conveyors and using recipes that most fits your situation

[feral geyser]

also, again, no one said all 20 machines are in the same blueprint (implying a mod)

[dense violet]

"ignores all the important choices of recipes, location, build effort set up and design"
people don't read

[feral geyser]

they just said you could make a blueprint and plop down refineries as needed and it wouldn't be hard

[dense violet]

would you choose that location or those recipes if they provided enough parts per min? or the work and design for hte layouts

[signal shale]

I'd say not wanting to have hundreds or thousands of material on a belt is a good argument for using trains or trucks, but not everyone feels that way.

[dense violet]

if you think that isn't a huge part of the game you haven't actually given any thought to it

[feral geyser]

i think you think you're making a point

i just can't tell what it is

[dense violet]

and if yo uwant a mod that avoid planning aroudn recipes and location limitations? sure. But it's not a good suggestion or argument for the game. You can get mods that essentialy avoid every aspect of the game if you want

[feral geyser]

NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT A MOD?

[zenith fractal]

we are not avoiding recipes or location with mass placing refineries

[signal shale]

wait, what on earth do you need 150 refineries' worth of rubber for?

[feral geyser]

Plubbering a pure vein of crude

[dense violet]

yes you are, you're making choices based on location and recipe choices and going avoiding the challenges of those options give you

if they weren't challenges and choices you wouldn't use a mod to slap down a giant system

[feral geyser]

gotta make HOR, blend fuel, make residual rubber, then recycle it all back and forth

[dense violet]

that's one of the main reasons of copper alloy vs pure

[zenith fractal]

what system is a line of refineries?

[feral geyser]

you keep mentioning mods, but no one has said mods are involved in this process except you

[solar forge]

Cobalt I've been spectating this and the nicest way I can say this is: nobody cares. People can play the game how they want, and they can interpret what is and isn't a challenge how they want. Like you said, it's a sandbox

You are, as your name suggests, talking in circles

[dense violet]

if you're arguing that there isn't an impact vs wanting to make a system of simple assemblers outputing alloy vs pure I don't care. These are very much part of the choices between recipes and location and how you approach the game

if you want to avoid that and those parts of the game design choices? sure. But it's not a good argument to people for use in general

[feral geyser]

jesus christ...

[zenith fractal]

we're not making things out of thin air by placing a bunch of refineries, we're just placing refineries. why is manually placing a bunch of refineries different from masss placing them?

[solar forge]

You too

Can we just move on

[feral geyser]

i don't even know you

but yes, i would like that

[solar forge]

Nor do I know you, but this is tiring to watch and it'd be even more tiring to engage further

[zenith fractal]

I love talking circles

[dense violet]

I don't care. You're tryign to argue that part of recipe choice and location isn't the system you create with it, which is objectively wrong

[feral geyser]

no one made that argument either

you are reading between invisible lines

[solar forge]

Alright you guys have fun, I tried

[dense violet]

and you can avoid aspects of the game with mods if you want, it's just not a good argument on design choice for people in general

[feral geyser]

no one mentioned mods except you

[zenith fractal]

I am arguing that placing a bunch of refineries at once is really no different from manually doing it. the only difference is time

[dense violet]

why would you place down a bunch of refineries instead of building a few simple assemblers?

[feral geyser]

cuz assemblers don't make copper alloy

first of all

[zenith fractal]

or heavy oil

[feral geyser]

also, why are you even arguing this? of course you're paying attention to resource availability, you wouldn't put refineries for Pure where there is no water

banana man has never suggested otherwise

they are just saying that if you are gonna set up stuff anyway, and water is available, setting up refineries for pure isn't that much harder than setting up the foundries needed for Alloy, even if iron is available too

[indigo geyser]

I've always wondered if it's more viable to go with the fastest item/min recipe or the best input to output ratio recipe

[feral geyser]

really depends on your needs

if you have low quality nodes nearby, you might need to stretch it with better ratios

but if you have plenty of resources and needs lots of items fast, the higher rate ones are better

[signal shale]

early on, good ratios are, well, good. Later, when throughput is the issue, rate over ratio is my thinking in general. Except for things like caterium ingots, may as well go best ratio and make up the rate with more machines

[dense violet]

eh even caterium is a choice. You can easily use recipes that don't use much caterium, like the crystal/silica lines, avoid the Uranium alt that needs QW

or use Iron+Copper+caterium ingots to make quickwire extended

and tempered caterium is pretty choice to keep things compact

[feral geyser]

leached >> x

[dense violet]

and in a lot of ways simpler.

[feral geyser]

always build near a sulfur node and abuse the hell out of it

[dense violet]

leached is a very niche recipes and not great for mass production becaues of the limited quantities.

sulfur is extremely plentiful if you use it for the sulfur specific things the game. Drains fast if you spam it everywhere

[signal shale]

leached is a bridge too far for me, pure caterium is fine though.

[dense violet]

tempered is the same as pure and only needs a few drops of oil. And you often need oil i nthe same spots you need the cat anyway

cuts down onlike 80% of the refineries needed I think?

[candid torrent]

i’ve never had an oil shortage

[feral geyser]

okay OPEC

[candid torrent]

it stretches real far

[dense violet]

a lot of alt recipes use oil products to pad out production and save on other resources,

but if you use hte oil efficient recipes you're very unlikely to run out unless you're doing a truly massive world

[candid torrent]

i <3 adhered iron plates

[dense violet]

yeah? never really found a spot for me.
Big final factories got Bolted Plate for the compactness

[feral geyser]

and flexible frames

[dense violet]

I use oil in a lot of places but not for that.

steel coated plate was a lovely recipe though

[candid torrent]

rubber seems to fit in a lot of random factories and adhered plates use soooo little for lots of rips

[dense violet]

the output is too similar to the base recipe for me I think. Bolted goes brrrrr

[candid torrent]

aluminum beams but no aluminum pipes

:(

[feral geyser]

aluminum beams are cracked

[dense violet]

iron pipes + aluminium beams = no steel in your world already xD

[feral geyser]

i make up to PCC's almost entirely out of aluminum

[signal shale]

good way to cut down/eliminate coal usage later on

[feral geyser]

can't get rid of iron for plates though

[dense violet]

it's so easy to use basically no coal already. There's so much on the map too

[candid torrent]

i’ve been pushing 3 pure nodes for my entire save file

[dense violet]

well the two other main uses for coal besides steel is bauxite and diamonds, both can be replaced and often are

[candid torrent]

i’m tempted to use oil diamonds

[dense violet]

I like pink diamonds, no PAs xD

[feral geyser]

pink diamonds help me use the crystals from Quartz Purification

[candid torrent]

pink diamonds seem great but i’m already wearing my quartz paper thin

[dense violet]

really? it's pretty hard to run out of crystal in the game

unless you're really just not wanting to leave the area

[candid torrent]

i could import more im just lazy

[dense violet]

ah fair.

do you use quartz purification? or pure crystal?

[candid torrent]

i don’t use a lot of silica so mostly pure crystals

[dense violet]

yup, most crystal efficient choice then. Oscilators killing it for you?

[candid torrent]

they’re killing my quartz supply and my framerate yes

god bless coated cables

[dense violet]

iirc the alt for oscilators cuts crystal use in half if that helps?

[candid torrent]

idk why i didn’t use it

i have a surplus of caterium and a painful lack of quartz

[dense violet]

if you're already making rubber you could convert the system pretty easily

[candid torrent]

i do have a dedicated rubber line for everything here

i might have to add more but i’ll check the math on that

that would make me lots more oscillators too

[dense violet]

sure 🙂
you could also use recipes that use less crystal in general or avoid oscilator recipes to reduce the strain

the many options and path really make this game what it is

[candid torrent]

alternate recipes are so peak now honestly

[feral geyser]

the logistic flexibility they provide is unmatched

[candid torrent]

the only one i can never see myself using is biocoal

[feral geyser]

yeah, it is kinda lame

[candid torrent]

its an option i guess

[feral geyser]

apparently there is a niche for it

but i don't know what it is

[candid torrent]

also did automated miners get changed around 1.0

i feel like i remember it being a god awful recipe that used motors

[feral geyser]

it did

[candid torrent]

and now it doesnt use motors so i actually make them and its worthwhile

[dense violet]

turn hogs intu uranium rods with bio coal

[candid torrent]

hog coal factory

[dense violet]

convert the coal to uranium and all the other things needed for it. It's a power positive process especially with sloops in the right spot

bio coal is also solid for temp production. Like bullets. Come back with corpses and make more bullets

[candid torrent]

i need 2 bazillion somersloops

tier 10 be like synthetic somersloop production

[dense violet]

eh, duping is pretty lame imo. Just cuts out most of the game and design double all the steps

[feral geyser]

the only thing i can ever get to dupe is leaves and object scanners

[reef basin]

it was fine back then as well

[reef basin]

making coal things where coal isn't 😉

[sick falcon]

is there a way to make balancers compact

[dense violet]

clock groups of machines to put what you need on your belt in the first place - cuts down space used by balancers by 100%

also feeding systems that are divisible by 2 and/or 3 can help somewhat

[reef basin]

most compact balancer is no balancer 😄

[sick falcon]

if only pure iron ingots didnt have the ugliest production ratios known to man

[dense violet]

production ratios are all in your brain. You have full clocking control

[reef basin]

ratio is irrelevant, you clock as you need

[dense violet]

and if you have groups of machines divisible by 2 or 3 it becomes a total non issue

if it wasn't clear, it's because it's very easy to load balance group of machiens divisible by 2 and or 3

and takes up less space than groups of machines that are not

for example, if you have 730% total clocking for 'pure iron' refineries, you can evenly clock 3 machines to take the load and have 1 splitter load balancing the whole thing

though I almost always recommend iron alloy instead

[sick falcon]

oh huh iron alloy is really good isnt it

[dense violet]

I mean I hate refineries, so for me it's amazing

and it doesn't use much copper

[sick falcon]

shame im too deep into my pure iron refinery to back out now

[dense violet]

eh, ctrl + dismantle makes quick work of things but totally up to you

[sick falcon]

i guess ill just clock to what i need and live with the pipes and conveyors backing up behind the refineries

[dense violet]

any recipe that reduces refinery count but increase resource output is gold to me

[reef basin]

though using pure is perfectly fine

[dense violet]

the main belt should never back up if you're using what you're putting up on it. just the feed belts behind the splitters. and yo ucan basically make those be invisible pretty easily

and realisitcally you're never going to load balance the pipes

[sullen gull]

32 refineries, all @250 = 3k Copper from one pure node. The plumbing is easy, 3 extractors @~267, one feeding each end, and one to the middle, runs like a champ. No other recipe meets. And refineries aren't that hard to arrange and spruce up imo. Then can separate in groups of 6 for 500 🤷‍♂️

[teal geyser]

I finally unlocked Diluted Packaged Fuel after like 15 hard drives and no save scumming or rescanning. I feel happy

[dense violet]

blueprint a poor man's blender and you're set

[sick falcon]

3k copper or 3k iron

[sullen gull]

My bad, missed the iron part 😏 10@ 240 then using Leached for an even 2400 😛 I used to hate refineries, till I just started messing with different arrangements 🤷‍♂️ .

[clear aspen]

hello chatters

[sullen gull]

I didn't do it

[sick falcon]

using what

[clear aspen]

do what?

[sullen gull]

The leached recipe.

[sullen gull]

🤷‍♂️

[clear aspen]

yall got any tips to stay motivated to do stuff?

[sullen gull]

pure iron only gives 2228.57, iron alloy, at the expense of copper, nets 2250

[dense violet]

depends where you're at in the game?
still going up the tiers?

[clear aspen]

working on a big turbuel power plant

turbo fuel*

[dense violet]

ah, well you could cut back on how big a job it is? or just do diluted fuel if you feel like you're in a slump

diluted fuel can easily get you to nuclear

[clear aspen]

no i can do it i just dont have a reason cause another factory game is gonna update soon

i need a spark

[dense violet]

or even finishing all the phases

well imo if you're still working on finishing the tiers you're in the tutorial. So really get a sandbox goal for post phase work

figure out interesting mechanics you like about the game and try to sort out a world plan

unless you're bailing on the game entirely with the other update

[cunning siren]

Watch some live streamers play? 🤷

[clear aspen]

ill see, cause i only have a monitor

[cunning siren]

The best "sparks" come from within

[clear aspen]

yo most effecent 12Kl is 1:5 right?

crap wrong server

[dense violet]

XD other factory game?

[clear aspen]

yea

[dense violet]

which one?

[cunning siren]

If you are not enjoying what you do, stop. Do something else, or nothing at all maybe?

[clear aspen]

look in #off-topic-media in a sec, ill ping u

i sent it

[sick falcon]

is it possible to build a blueprint designer around an existing building

[cunning siren]

Gotta build a bunch of designers back to back and build the building inside each one 😆

Oooof

There is a mod for a bigger designer, that will probably help a bit

[candid torrent]

you can’t build a blueprint designer in a blueprint designer

and that’s unfortunate

[feral geyser]

Even a Mk1 in a Mk3?

It just doesn't allow you to?

[candid torrent]

it does not i tried immediately upon unlocking the mk3

[feral geyser]

Dang

I know it doesn't let you place vehicles in them.

Which was a shame when I tried to make my portable field shack/garage blueprint.

[civic reef]

I love my army of lizard doggos

[cunning siren]

Apparently Dune start lacks doggos in comparison to other starts 😭 🤷

[civic reef]

they have enabled me to progression skip so aggressively

im not even in tier 5-6 and im setting up geothermals

[feral geyser]

They also occasionally bring you weapons of mass destruction 🥺

[civic reef]

yeah i nuked the entire cave in the top left of the map (the one with the 3 quartz and 1 SAM)

my army is 20 doggos deep

[feral geyser]

Got the whole pack working for you lol

[civic reef]

i really do

combine that with the doggo collector mod and i make BANK

[elder apex]

keep searching for more #screenshots message

[civic reef]

eh, i dont really care for more, 20 is plenty

[elder apex]

i didn't even have to build any turbo motors or fused frames until phase 5

[civic reef]

ive got them chilling in my DD for the time being

[elder apex]

and yes, the doggo collector mod is ridiculously convenient

[civic reef]

it's so nice, 10/10 mod. im glad it cant be automated, bc that would be SO SO broken

[shy mulch]

I don't see the point in mods like that. If you want to use non-vanilla methods to collect them why not just edit your save in SCIM and move all the doggos into the pen with a single click

[feral geyser]

Cuz that would mean you don't have to do anything.

Going out collecting them is fun

[cunning siren]

Some people enjoy feet 🤷 It's not our job to know why somebody does what they do 😆

[shy mulch]

So what does the mod do?

[feral geyser]

I did like the Doggo cages in FICSIT Farming, but all the other stuff is kinda stupid.

Idk about the one they mentioned, but FF lets you make doggo cages so you can pick them up and carry them

[shy mulch]

That sounds like a mod to avoid skill issues

[feral geyser]

It also has a Doggo House structure, and if you catch dogs in cages, you can put them in there, supply it with farmed food and water, and it will auto collect the items they bring.

I did not like the new food items, resources, and doggo house concept. I only like the cages.

Cuz i just bring them home, plop them in the house I built, and pet them 🥺

And you can't pet them if they are in the doggo house structure

[feral geyser]

How?

[civic reef]

you can collect them in your inventory and it's nice to do it during exploration instead of save editing

tbh i feel like editing your save is less rewarding as well

[feral geyser]

I have the skill to walk them slowly back home and build foundation ramps and wait while they trot around with their stupid adorable little blue tongue.

I just don't necessarily have the patience for it.

[shy mulch]

Try getting one to fall onto a truck, then drive the truck home

[civic reef]

it's a QOL mod to improve a game mechanic that is underutilizing due to the inconvenience of doggos

especially since ive lost 3 of them to clipping through foundations

[feral geyser]

Bounce pad it all the way home lol.

They take fall damage though, huh?

So that might not be great.

[shy mulch]

I lost 1 that way, and learned from my mistake, adjusted how I do things, and now I lose none. Literally the definition of skill issue

[civic reef]

nah they clipped through the foundations then into the earth itself

[civic reef]

idk why you're getting so upset over a QOL mod you dont even need to install. let people play the game they want 🤷

[signal shadow]

Has anyone tried making a head-lift reset priority merger using a really tall pipe?

[shy mulch]

I enjoy doing things fully vanilla and I put an enormous amount of time into it. When I see people get the same results with zero effort because of mods or save editing it takes me feel like my efforts are invalid and pointless and takes away from my enjoyment of the game

[cunning siren]

I mean... what doggo IRL does not want truck? 🤷

[feral geyser]

Why do others' opinions have any bearing on your own enjoyment or wellbeing?

[signal shadow]

If anything you should feel validated for doing things properly

[shy mulch]

I've explained this already

[feral geyser]

Idk, if it were a competitive game, that'd make sense

But others doing what they want has no bearing on your game or how you play

And if you let it affect you, then it's just that-- you letting it bother you

[shy mulch]

Look at anywhere that images/videos get shared, screenshots, reddit, Facebook, YouTube etc.
Look at the posts that get the most attention, they are always the biggest and best. Now tell me it's not competitive

[civic reef]

you're the one making it competitive tbh. it's a sandbox game

[forest karma]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/10354019595561632589/B3545860AF46760C50ED9E592C58DED884066554/ the animation team is amazing

[feral geyser]

Again, you're placing the "worth" of you playing the game on other people's approval.

That's the issue

[shy mulch]

I enjoy that attention, I enjoy showing off, that's part of the game for me. It's not a big part, but it is a non-zero element.

[feral geyser]

That sounds like a recipe for disappointment.

I don't give a rat's dick what other people think of me or how I do things.

I just try my best not to hurt others, so I don't cheat or mod competitive games.

[shy mulch]

It kinda seems like you're telling me how to play the game. Many elements of the game give me enjoyment, but this particular one is wrong and I shouldn't do it

[feral geyser]

Nah, do it if you like. I'm just saying that's why I wouldn't go about it that way.

[shy mulch]

All over reddit, Facebook, and YouTube, it's full of people posting massive builds that are very impressive. Should we tell all those people to keep it to themselves because posting just for other people's approval is wrong and they should stick to playing only for their own enjoyment

[signal shadow]

Those aren’t mutually exclusive

[shy mulch]

That is exactly my point. Thank you

[feral geyser]

You're extrapolating my words beyond anything I said.

[shy mulch]

What ninjadogs just said is exactly what my point was in the first place and you're telling me I am wrong

[feral geyser]

Also, that doesn't prove that the game is competitive, it proves youtube/streaming/social media is competitive.

[shy mulch]

Of course. In my head I am naturally competitive. I can't turn that off. I make things that I enjoy making, then when they are done I like to share them and I enjoy the attention they get. What makes me unhappy is that I feel like it's pointless sharing my achievements because people with mods 'achieve' the same thing with 1% of the effort, which makes my work seem a lot less impressive

[forest karma]

2c worth: It is a single player game with multiplayer available, Do what you want with your own game or friends server. If your build doesn't get as much recognition as others, tough luck, try something fresh to out play them. Same deal with those Minecraft youtubers and their "Off camera mining".

[feral geyser]

I get the sentiment, but I just don't agree.

Doing things is always impressive

It doesn't make it less impressive just cuz someone else did more or different.

Each creation is unique and valuable in its own right.

[civic reef]

Im in love with the new photo mode

Ive been aggressively taking screenshots with it

[feral geyser]

Share

[shy mulch]

You don't need to agree or feel the same. I'm just explaining how I feel. I'm not asking people to feel the same. I'm asking people to stop telling me I'm wrong for feeling that way

[civic reef]

#screenshots message

[civic reef]

disagreement does not equate to being wrong

[shy mulch]

At no point have I said those are the same thing...?

[feral geyser]

It just seems like a strange thing to then tell others they're wrong for enjoying it the way they do, because you feel you need to be affected by it.

[shy mulch]

Sigh. Feel like I've fallen into a parallel universe where the entire population has lost the ability to understand my point. Never mind. I'll go do something else

[feral geyser]

I used to feel the same way, i refused to use mods, I insisted on only vanilla pieces and doing the things "the way they're intended"

Until I realized it didn't matter

[prime rampart]

MY FRIEND?