satisfactory

[tranquil maple]

i mean until you get long distance transport in tier 6 its prolly fine to build temporary lines for the ealier SE parts

[ashen stream]

thank you :D

[tranquil maple]

np

[cunning siren]

OH... camera mode will be nice to "fly around" and find this Dune cave with the SAM 🤔

I think I found it, but it requires boom boom 😭

[candid torrent]

pork sandwich assembly…

[chilly sonnet]

guys i need some advice

Every guide i watch tells me to make wires out of iron "because copper is more scarce"

[white dawn]

The solution is to stop reading guides. :)

[chilly sonnet]

which i find true so far. I found absurd amounts of iron

But the issue is

I finally unlocked tier 3 belts and it's STILL nowhere near enough

and almost half of my iron is consumed by wires

[wicked nacelle]

copper isn't anywhere near scarce -- it's probably the least useful thing in the game once you have alts

[chilly sonnet]

just to make cables and enforced plates

[chilly sonnet]

forreal... so like do i just switch my wires to copper?

[white dawn]

So there's sort of a few things here

First off: you really have to try hard to literally exhaust the resources on the map. There is far more of basically everything than a lot of folks realize

[wicked nacelle]

you can look at the numbers for how much of each resource there is here: https://satisfactory-calculator.com/ Yeah, use copper if you have it.

[white dawn]

So really don't stress too much about optimizing for resource usage. It's a huge map; there's more resources out there

[wicked nacelle]

There's 36,900 / min of copper ore available then *2.5 for using pure copper alt so that's getting up towards 100,000 copper ingots/m

[white dawn]

Alt recipes are there to give you options while building factories -- nothing more. If a factory isn't near copper but you need wires, then sure: Iron Wire it is. (Or one of the other Wire alts.) But if there is copper nearby then there's no reason not to use copper

[chilly sonnet]

Okay so im hoping wont need that much copper sheets later on

[white dawn]

Another point is: if you resist centralization, you can just build a bunch of smaller factories all over the map, near the nodes that make sense, and also not have to worry about the kind of belt limitations you're running into

LIke it sounds like you're trying to make all your cables in one spot, and all your RIP in one spot.

[wicked nacelle]

you need some but not so much that you need to worry about early copper usage.

[white dawn]

I'd personally advise against that. If a factory needs cables/RIP/whatever, just make fresh cables/RIP/whatever right inside that new factory

[chilly sonnet]

Also why do all the guides hate screws? Why do they always prioritize the non-screw alt recipes for all the early game assembler stuff

[white dawn]

Each factory making a part can be totally isolated from other factories

[wicked nacelle]

probably the usual steam sale times.

[white dawn]

Again: I'd advise just not reading guides

[shrewd palm]

just a pain to deal with

[hard ivy]

because the recipes that use screws suck ass

[wicked nacelle]

because people try to make a screw factory and then instantly saturate their belts.

[white dawn]

A lot of guides are well-intentioned but only just reinforce the author's biases

Make your own mistakes, not somebody else's. :)

[wicked nacelle]

all you have to do is belt in ingots and make the screws where you use them as you use them. they're not a problem at all that way

[cunning siren]

The zoom in on the camera is pretty handy phase 1

[shrewd palm]

like i wouldnt say they're an avoid at all costs kind of thing and theres no rules against using them, its just that when you're making really large amounts of things screws can become a bit of a logistical pain

[chilly sonnet]

But i found a spot in the map northern forest that has everything nearby. Tons of iron and even stuff like sulfur, sam, quartz, pure copper, oil, uranium, and coal near water

[shrewd palm]

probably

[wicked nacelle]

I make blueprints that include screw creation in the single blueprint for the things that want screws. it's great logistically

[white dawn]

Nevertheless, I recommend building smaller factories all over the map. :) You can certainly have a bunch of isolated factories which happen to all be in the same spot, of course, if the local nodes support it

But centralization is a lot harder than many folks realize

(IMO, anyway)

[shrewd palm]

and decentralization is even better now because of depots

[white dawn]

Like the kinds of problems you're running into right now literally just go away if you do a more Independency-minded approach (https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency)

[chilly sonnet]

the biggest pain in this game for me is travel time tho. Like even when centralized, 99% of my gameplay is just walking between two points 😐

[wicked nacelle]

hypertube cannons solve all transport issues

[white dawn]

Just one way to play the game, of course, and I must point you back at my earlier "stop reading guides" advice. I am, in effect, giving you a guide. :D Make your own mistakes, not mine, etc. :)

[wicked nacelle]

put one in a blueprint and plop it down wherever you are

[shrewd palm]

hypertubes, vehicles, jetpack

[chilly sonnet]

i dont have that unlocked because i havent automated all the requisites lol

[hard ivy]

why...?

[chilly sonnet]

my factory has to be pretty huge just to get there

so might as well just centralize all the way no?

[wicked nacelle]

okay, but then you shouldn't have long distances to walk yet.

[feral geyser]

Jump pads are surprisingly fun, I'd like to be able to overclock them and increase their springiness.

[wicked nacelle]

hypertube cannon and parachute is pretty darned early and even plain fuel jetpack is more than enough to get across the map in 30s

[white dawn]

If you haven't invested in Dimensional Depot research yet, btw, I would highly recommend it. Depending on playstyle, there's rarely ever a need to actually go back to factories you've already built

[chilly sonnet]

well once i have a jetpack, centralization will feel even better because ill have a nice aerial overview of the whole factory

[chilly sonnet]

ah yeah the mercer sphere stuff... i just discovered what that's all about

[wicked nacelle]

if you just want to look you can just go into photo mode

[white dawn]

Even if you don't like hypertube cannons (like myself), you do have regular hypertubes, power towers + ziplines (often overlooked! It's an incredible transit method for early-to-midgame), vehicles (even a tractor is fun to drive around in), etc, etc.

[shrewd palm]

also once you get the jetpack, get packaging going as soon as possible because the jetpack with solid biofuel is hot garbage

[white dawn]

And of course trains once you have 'em

[chilly sonnet]

bro parachute is ass... it's much slower than animation cancelling with crouch jump on flat land

[wicked nacelle]

you only use it to land coming out of hypertube cannon jump - before you have a jetpack

[feral geyser]

We don't tolerate parachute slander here

[chilly sonnet]

oh idk what the cannon is

[feral geyser]

Our cliff climbers are beloved

[white dawn]

You have merely not discovered some of the (frankly OP) ways you can use parachutes, I see. :)

[shrewd palm]

i do wish that they gave portals a little earlier on

[white dawn]

The "new" parachute is a thing of beauty (hardly new at this point of course, but still)

[feral geyser]

I mean, it makes sense

[wicked nacelle]

you just set up a bunch of hypertube entrances back to front to back to front and each adds to the previous one so you can go any speed then the last one has a little tube angled up and you go WHEEEEEE. Don't do too mayn in a row or you'll instantly go out of map bounds and die

[wicked nacelle]

the fuel is too expensive, too, though. For how nearly worthless they are they really make them be a premium to operate

[shrewd palm]

i dont mean like in phase 4 or anything, just a little earlier in phase 5

[white dawn]

Counterpoint: by the time you have them unlocked, you've probably finished up (or are close to finishing up) your final-phase SE deliveries, which means you'll have a wealth of Pasta being produced already. One final step of processing and you're likely to have a ton of portal-powering power. :)

IMO the SE -> Portals transition is quite lovely the way they've got it set up

[shrewd palm]

but by the time you've done that you wont really need portals

[chilly sonnet]

okay but the animation cancelling is literally 150 km/h

[white dawn]

True, they're expensive, brut you're like 95% of the way there as soon as your Elevator finishes up

[chilly sonnet]

no vehicle goes that fast

[wicked nacelle]

If you're playing past the end of the story you probably want to get coupon points so that pasta is going to other things

[white dawn]

Well I certainly can't convince you to change your subjective experiences. :)

[white dawn]

By that point in the story I've generally already got one Golden Nut, so I don't tend to care too much about more coupons. Though, sure, one must make a choice how to spend one's resources. My point is that you're 95% of the way there to, probably, quite a few "free" portals

[chilly sonnet]

A big reason is because i built my factory extremely high in the sky tbh

it made the early game extremely sluggish

but im finally about to unlock stuff like hyperloop

so i wont complain

[wicked nacelle]

I find that my toilet operates much better if I flush a golden nut down every week or so - otherwise it backs up and it gets smelly

[white dawn]

I really don't mind Portals being expensive to "fuel" because by that point I'm literally one processing step away from quite a few portals

Like on my 1.0 save I was able to just spin up 20 portals, no problem. One relatively-small factory to finish the processing and then it was done

[versed mesa]

Ive been very busy at work #screenshots message

[white dawn]

Expensive in an objective sense, sure, but I'd already done nearly all the work for it, so eh.

Especially since you can get your Pasta production online all the way back in Phase 4

[white dawn]

Heh, well sure, if you build a PITA-to-get-to factory it'll be a PITA to get to. :)

[versed mesa]

What yous think of my current progress so far

[opal bramble]

does anybody elses game keep crashing over and over

[versed mesa]

Mine crashes when i try doing a search it lag bad when i type a word takes time to soell it out

[wicked nacelle]

what message do you get when it crashes? if youd on't know, screenshot it next time

you may have uobject limit - you just need to crank it up

[versed mesa]

I do thing its because if got mods installed and alot lol

[opal bramble]

it says an unreal process has crashed : UE-FactoryGame

[wicked nacelle]

sure, but there should be a whole big window of text

[versed mesa]

Same here you using mods ?

[wicked nacelle]

the next part matters a lot

[opal bramble]

nope

[wicked nacelle]

do you have a really big factory or do you use a lot of complex blueprints that you downlaoded off the internet?

[versed mesa]

Ah must be the game todo with then and now the mods ive got installed

[sour dew]

guys, anybody has having trouble with getting the '' lets see whats out there '' achievement? i still cant get it

[halcyon saffron]

Anyone notice that the hand mining tag is a bit off kilter?

[halcyon saffron]

I got it be starting new saves in each biome. I thnk.

[sour dew]

i already go to each biome but it only says i only got one

i dont know if going on a vehicle or on a hipertube affects on something

[tall lantern]

gotta be in English (or one of the recent Experimentals)

it's bugged in non-English languages, they've only recently fixed it in EX (according to #patch-notes )

[chilly sonnet]

guys what's the point of making steel out of iron ingots instead of ore

[tall lantern]

more output per input, at the cost of more buildings, power, space

[chilly sonnet]

i feel like for my situation it's extremely inconvenient because im already using up all my ingots, but i have a spare pure iron ore node right next to the steel

[tall lantern]

you can just... make that ore into ingots too 😛

[cunning siren]

Much more efficient per resource AND can use for Iron Pipe too

[chilly sonnet]

well the iron pipe used up all the ingots lol there ain't any left for the steel ingots...

[tall lantern]

make moar

[chilly sonnet]

no

[wicked nacelle]

iron pipe is a trap if you need any real number of them

[chilly sonnet]

i need logistics 4 first

[tall lantern]

or make less of whatever's using it all

[chilly sonnet]

im not adding yet another belt of iron ingots it's getting annoying

[cunning siren]

With the proper alts, you won't need steel anyway 😆

[wicked nacelle]

it's good for something like making nobelisks but that's about it

[tall lantern]

solid steel's pretty great

[unkempt blade]

if you're not using coke steel ingots are you even really playing the game?

[chilly sonnet]

ye im using the iron ingot variant of the pipes

[white dawn]

Heh, I think you're probably fairly devoted to your current build strategy, but I'll recommend https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency one more time. Really just totally removes a lot of those problems in the first place. I'll shut up about it henceforth, though. :P

[chilly sonnet]

wrong phase lmao

[cunning siren]

Iron ore is one of the most common resources so it's likely an issue of lack of production

[unkempt blade]

oh... ok you qualify for "really playing the game" then my apologies

[chilly sonnet]

totalXclipse talked about this

making stuff from scratch at each factory instead of going the "Factorio" route

[wicked nacelle]

while there is a very large amount of iron, you can easily burn through the local iron with iron pipe, though.

[chilly sonnet]

but i completely disagree with him and im going the factorio route

😎

[feral geyser]

It is definitely easier to plan doing independence

[tall lantern]

it's okay to be wrong do your own thing as long as you enjoy it

[feral geyser]

Also, don't do iron pipes, yuck

[unkempt blade]

fun > optimizing

[chilly sonnet]

im being bottlenecked by the fact that im trying to make everything off of 1 singular logistic 3 belt of iron ingots

[tall lantern]

add another belt

[feral geyser]

Do Solid Steel, then Molded Pipes and Molded Beams

You'll get more of both items, and use less iron overall

[tall lantern]

if you refuse to use multiple belts you'll be hard locked at 1200/min eventually 😛

[white dawn]

~~Yeah, playing one game as if it's the same as another game is likely to run into annoyances and bottlenecks like that. ~~

[feral geyser]

That sounds like an exceedingly bad idea

[sour dew]

OMGGG TYSMMM IT FINALLY WORKED

[unkempt blade]

You could use vehicles long range and get 2x whatever tier belts output per station. Vehicles are going to easily outperform belts for long distance logistics at that stage of the game

[chilly sonnet]

okay but then i have to put that belt vertically above the current ingot belt
which was fun for a while but as my factory grows it's getting really annoying

[tall lantern]

why vertically?

put it wherever. put it into its own factory, even

[chilly sonnet]

because the other lanes are taken by other lines

[cyan valve]

I got this achivement why I used my hypertube cannon throwing me across the entire map

[sour dew]

i just got it after weeks, i just needed to change the language

[chilly sonnet]

i mean

270 iron ingots is mostly enough as long as i use ore for the steel ingots and copper for the wires

but

im starting to realize logistics 4 wont be my savior

because idk how much iron im gonna need in the future

even with logistics 4 i might still need to add lines of iron

[tall lantern]

which is part of why people suggest not to try and bundle it all in one place, trying to crystal ball it is a recipe for pain

[feral geyser]

independence

[tall lantern]

especially since there's multiple recipe options for most things

[chilly sonnet]

im already redoing my entire layout because i unlocked blueprints and i want everything to be a blueprint

[feral geyser]

Oh boy...

[chilly sonnet]

so ill just add space for lines of iron now that everything is deleted

you're right the iron ingots dont have to be vertical

[chilly sonnet]

Wdym

blueprints are fire

even just for the ability to delete massive amounts of machines at once

[tall lantern]

alternatively make it entirely vertical. One constructor per floor, conveyor lifts and splitters on each floor 😄

[chilly sonnet]

i tried that my first playthrough

verticality is new to me cuz i come from factorio

but it's so clunky when u dont have jetpack

genuinely unplayable

[wicked nacelle]

I find blueprints are good once I start building big but often building the blueprint takes longer than just building out the buildings by hand. Especially because you can't easily change the direction of belts

[chilly sonnet]

also for some reason the "nudge" hotkeys dont work for me

no matter what shortcut i set

[unkempt blade]

the ladder factory to heaven is truly the final evolution of independency

[chilly sonnet]

if nudge wasn't bugged, i think i'd enjoy verticality more

[wicked nacelle]

I mostly use blueprints for refineries but not much else

[wicked nacelle]

what bug?

[chilly sonnet]

nudge shortcuts does nothing

literally just doesnt work lol

ive seen it in walkthroughs but i cant nudge in my game

[wicked nacelle]

are you making a hologram?

[chilly sonnet]

yes

[wicked nacelle]

never heard anyone else have a problem. Do you have some weird non-standard keyboard layout?

[chilly sonnet]

no

let me try setting my hotkeys to the defaults to see if it fixes it

Nope

now i have to manually set everything back :(

[wicked nacelle]

super weird. if this were a widespread issue you'd have people complaining about it like crazy most likely

[white dawn]

I agree that blueprints are great, I know that I personally wouldn't have the will to literally redo an entire factory just so that that stuff can be built with blueprints. Total motivation-killer for me

I've seen plenty of folks who end up getting discouraged 'cause they spend so much time just rebuilding stuff only to get to the exact same level of functionality they had hours ago. Beware burnout! Perfect is the enemy of done, etc. :)

[tall lantern]

it's the usual "why rebuild something that works"

[white dawn]

I mean, I get it -- I did various bits of rebuilding on my first playthrough as well, and it's not like I didn't have fun anyway

But it helps to realize that you don't have to unless you really want to. :)

[chilly sonnet]

well my factory is literally just one long line making anything that uses iron ingots

[tall lantern]

hope it's in the sky lol

[unkempt blade]

We were talking earlier about how the satisfactory creators are all knowing and benevolent masters of game design and we really shouldn't question their decisions with stuff like mods. I'm sorry you weren't around for this conversation because you're now clearly being punished for your rebinding hubris 🙁

[chilly sonnet]

What?

[white dawn]

Do they have a Game Design Sceptre??!?

I feel like an all-knowing benevolent master of game design would have a sceptre...

[chilly sonnet]

wait honestly i think nudge would make this game so much less painful how am i supposed to fix it tho

[unkempt blade]

I guess I just always seemed that's what the IRL basher merch was for. Do we need to send them a different sceptre?

[white dawn]

hah

[wicked nacelle]

no nudging works? not horizontal or vertical? Do you have mods?

[white dawn]

Yeah, good enough. :)

[peak wasp]

why HMF are so bada** ??

[chilly sonnet]

no nudges work at all, not even the pageup pagedown ones. No mods

[unkempt blade]

it's because they have some of the highest screw content in the game

[wicked nacelle]

can you set up a multiplayer game?

[chilly sonnet]

nah wait im reinstalling the game rq

maybe when fiddling with hotkeys something broke permanently and could be fixed with a clean reinstall

[wicked nacelle]

if it still doesn't work then check your DMs and I can join and see if it's your game or your setup

[white dawn]

You're trying on "regular" buildings and blueprints, right? There are some machines which can't be nudged, like Water Extractors

[chilly sonnet]

otherwise it'd be extremely strange that id be the only one having this issue

[wicked nacelle]

you can't make a hologram of those, right?

[white dawn]

You can't include them in blueprints without shenanigans, if that's what you mean. They're placed via holograms like everything else, though (and you can "lock" them in place prior to placement, but in that case the nudge buttons won't work)

[chilly sonnet]

yes im talking basic stuff like splitters, mergers, belts

[white dawn]

Mostly just wanted to make sure you weren't testing it out on a water extractor (or miner or whatever), since those would fail to nudge

[white dawn]

Oh, heh, though the question was coming from Exyl, btw -- I realize you're certainly aware of that stuff already. :)

[wicked nacelle]

ah you're right you can make a water extractor hologram, but if you try to nudge it it tells you this building cannot be nudged, so it confirms you are trying to nudge it correctly -- meaning your nudge keys are working as intended

[shrewd palm]

you can nudge them with mods tho

either soft clearance for everything, infinite nudge, or shallow water extractors

those also let you blueprint water extractors which is really nice for nuclear

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, the blueprints would be the gamechanger. Water is probably the most unfullfilling task in the game when you need a lot of it

worse than HMFs

at least you don't have to manually overclock each one anymore

[cursive phoenix]

what we thinking of 20 fused modular frames per min?

surely thats enough

[crisp jetty]

do you guys think completely relocating my base to a different biome would be a waste of time

[reef basin]

yes

[crisp jetty]

awwww

[reef basin]

building a new factory in a different biome on the other hand...

[crisp jetty]

red sand dunes so cool compared to this other desert that i started in

[thorn flax]

is there a way to prevent lag spikes when deconstructing larger segments (especially foundations)? i run a high end system and still experience severe fps drops during deconstructing. anyone know which hardware component throttles/bottlenecks when deconstructing?

[reef basin]

my main point was about dismantling old factories - practically never want to do it

[crisp jetty]

im struggling to figure out what else i should automate for phase 2

[reef basin]

things that you need

[pallid carbon]

What are you specks and what graphics are you using?

[chilly sonnet]

i reinstalled my game, reset hotkeys to default, and still can't use the nudge shortcuts

[thorn flax]

all graphics maxed. 9800x3d, 5090, 32gb ddr5 7200-cl28. (1440p native)

[chilly sonnet]

How am i the only one with this issue?

[cursive phoenix]

I hate past me, why did i only make 3 heavy modulair frames per min 💔

[silk rose]

Exyl FRFRFR???? Hello

im fan tho

'low key'

ok good luck on your factory exyl

[pallid carbon]

Danm nice pc! I think you might just want to turn the graphics down when deconstructing or just deal with it. The game's not very optimized

[chilly sonnet]

Hey thanks man

im trying to understand how to fix this bug

Nudging doesnt work at all...

[thorn flax]

it runs at a flawless 360 pretty much always, but unfortunately deconstructing causes severe hitches. i assumed it was lumen updating at first but my gpu util % drops so that cant be it. cpu util stays stable. was thinking it might be ram at first but i dont even have an upgrade path there... thanks for trying tho!

[silk rose]

people are actually helpful here, exyl
you will find solution no mater what. i solved like 10 not game related issues here. ficsit engineers are very cool

[cursive phoenix]

Everything

[chilly sonnet]

OH i figured it out

[chilly sonnet]

i didnt realize hologram is a button you have to press

[silk rose]

H?

[chilly sonnet]

ye

💀

[silk rose]

what tier are you on

[leaden turret]

is less "hologram" and more "hold"

[chilly sonnet]

i thought "hologram" refers to already just the indicator of the building you're about to place

yeah nah in game there's a mode called hologram that you can nudge in

[chilly sonnet]

Steel

[silk rose]

3-4, cooking

[chilly sonnet]

Btw guys do u play with keep inventory

ive seen speedrunners do

but by default u lose inventory on death

[silk rose]

i dont die much, no point

[chilly sonnet]

Ye

but it technically allows for fast travel back to base

which seems hella useful ngl

[silk rose]

u wanna lose like half of trip?

i mean map is huge an you can make circle every time

only case when you need to get to base asap is when fuse broken

it even is fine when you are out of ammo, you can escape most of creatures. the problem would be fuel for that tier 5 thing

[mystic oriole]

I do now, because I don't die often. I throw on peaceful as well.

But at the beginning of a new save I like the challenge.

[coarse pebble]

Solar panels

[leaden turret]

we've got solar panels at home

points to slabs of coal

[mystic oriole]

I'd just want the texture or look of solar panels. I barely use mods.

[cyan valve]

Aint it frustrating that despite your exact calculations, some machines may eventually run out of resources? Even though you preload all machines before turning them on up.

[versed mesa]

When someone makes a creative save it dont delete your original save does it ?

[leaden turret]

1. upload save file to scim
2. change session name
3. make creative mode flag changes
4. download save file

problem solved

[unkempt blade]

those don't sound like very exact calculations 😆

[versed mesa]

And i can changed it back also right

[leaden turret]

if you change the session name you negate the problem of needing to change it back / overwriting the save by accident.

but yeah, with save editor you can generally undo stuff.

[cyan valve]

I mean there are times that I have to add more resource than what was actually needed per minute with all the machines

[versed mesa]

@leaden turret see the thing is am building a huge project abd what i am buulding i would like copy of it in blueprint and it seams ill need to download the mod that gives you bigger Designers

[worthy hatch]

I can’t wait for the controller fix to come to the release branch it’s really annoying to have to switch to keyboard every time the instance crashes for me

[versed mesa]

And there was something about creating save mode and then copy whar i make over to my original save

[versed mesa]

I hope it does specially the issues while mods are installed

@worthy hatch you got mods installed ?

[worthy hatch]

No mods

[versed mesa]

Ok

[worthy hatch]

I’m tempted to do a fresh install

[versed mesa]

Why ?

[worthy hatch]

If I’m getting 100ms ping on the server I should not get crashes due to a timeout error

[versed mesa]

Or install i was thinking fresh save lol

[versed mesa]

I guess not

[crisp jetty]

my lizard dog has vanished from the face of this planet

[chilly sonnet]

how do you even tame them in the first place? like what do u do with the berry

the lizard just runs away no matter what i do

[crisp jetty]

drop it right before you're in range of them running away, drop a pale berry and hold completely still (not even camera movements). Then once its eaten the berry you can pet it to tame it

[chilly sonnet]

oh

that's... so specific

[feral geyser]

Taking off your blade runners before approaching helps too, they are shy critters 🥺

[lethal scroll]

what I do, when im exploring, and I see a lizard doggo in an area, I just drop a paleberry right there

and ill drop a few more around the area

I looked on the interractive map, I've tamed several doggos this way without even seeing them lol

they just eat them while im off doing something else, and they get tamed

ill name them next time im in the area

[wicked nacelle]

That's a good way to get rid of plutonium waste 🙂

[lethal scroll]

havent reached nuclear yet lol

[crisp jetty]

no way youre the guy who made that discord beat

[rustic pier]

Wait i didnt know that they eat that.. or is it that they eat everything

[wicked nacelle]

they take whatever they are holding to doggo heaven when you free them from their mortal coil 🙂

[shy fog]

so very very close to phase 5 completion...

[wicked nacelle]

if you catch my drift 🙂

[small pebble]

For some reason centralized storage and distribution hubs tickles my brain….. is there an efficient way to make that work in this game or is that a no go

[shy fog]

I am down to just the thermal proplution left

[mild stump]

How much can you do before you even build the space elevator? I'm surprised at how much I have done in the MAM already and how much I can still probably do.

[crisp jetty]

i think adderal is my next logical step for game progression

[reef basin]

usually people just do dimensional depots

[small pebble]

It’s more of an aesthetic thing for me lol

[reef basin]

then go for it 🙂

[dim harbor]

I learned about dimensional depots halfway through my first mall and now I can build something completely aesthetically instead of laying out containers splitters and smart splitters

I’ve seen a few designs, some folks use a sushi/manifold-like design with a smart splitter for the item and an overflow to a sink

[bright lion]

random question, does this game have any graphic mods i can download

as i been looking around online and cant find any

[leaden turret]

graphical mods to do what

[tall lantern]

remove graphics and make the game text-based

[bright lion]

basically imagine shaders for mc

[unkempt blade]

a central mall is a fun project, you should totally do it even if you don't need it as much now with the dimensional depot

[leaden turret]

🤷‍♂️

[plucky flower]

How many industrial containers do I need for my output. The input just flows up and up

Im new and I am at 6 containers

[unkempt blade]

there's a discord for modding that's linked in #welcome where you might have better luck with that stuff

[small pebble]

I have never played the game yet haha. Just watched a few play throughs. Dont wanna go at it Solo and waiting for my buddy to nut up an get it 😂

[plucky flower]

Feels like climibing mount everest

[chilly sonnet]

guys is there much use for the "automated miner" alt recipe

[bright lion]

thanks

[chilly sonnet]

i mean i guess if you have hella resources u might as well grab it but am i missing some super useful use?

[plucky flower]

If your too lazy to handcraft or want all nodes in the server

[tall lantern]

point it at a depot and never need to worry about running out of portable miners

[chilly sonnet]

yeah makes sense

[unkempt blade]

I did a couple malls in early access like #screenshots message. They're basically just vanity projects these days but it was a fun logistics puzzle

[white dawn]

I'd personally recommend avoiding central distribution; that's all the problems of central storage plus a ton more problems. :P

[small pebble]

I like that

[unkempt blade]

that one had a few trains and a whole lot of drones and then the big sorting array you see in the screenshots

[white dawn]

I'm among the people who do enjoy building Central Storage, though. It's harder to keep things organized and non-spaghetti, for sure. One thing that can help is leaning into sushi deliveries (more than one item per belt) but that's also its own learning curve

(And I suppose: when I say I recommend avoiding central distribution, I mean as part of factory logistics chains. Distributing material to yourself is another matter. :P)

[crisp jetty]

my bum ahh friend completely dismantled our copper factory because "we have too much wire...." were out of wire

[plucky flower]

Just toggle the miner off does it for me. Or just sink some

Or BUILD A MOUNTAIN OF STORAGE CONTAINERS

😁😁😁

[crisp jetty]

yeah idk why he deconstructed but i can make the factory prettier now anyways

[reef basin]

why would you ever dismantle anything (maybe other than super early factories)

[plucky flower]

Rebuilding isnt that bad

[plucky flower]

Rebuilding factories.

Miner mk1 to mk2 had me deleting lots of factories

[reef basin]

why rebuild? just build new and you spend less time for more production

[plucky flower]

I build compact.

I had them on 3 pure iron node

That is 360 more iron per minute

[reef basin]

nothing says you need to use a node fully

[leaden turret]

don't need to build mountain, just one really big one: https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=weatherwax AND author:e145efcd-a61d-4aef-b26f-44210a09e60e

[reef basin]

you can also just split after the miner

[limber plaza]

just realized how many copper and iron nodes there are in the desert ive never been over there

[plucky flower]

Clicked on the link but didnt really look cool

[plucky flower]

Rebuilding ugly ones or making stuff more compact

NF is not handy to split

[reef basin]

for me that'd be a waste of time

if I'm building a new factory, I don't need to dismantle old one for it

I can have both and have more production

[plucky flower]

Luckily theres a ton of different personalitys and personal choices because of education nurturing etc.

(no hate)

[unkempt blade]

yeah and all of them can hold hands and respect each other and agree that factory carts are the best vehicle

[plucky flower]

I am not there yet. Opinion is neutral

However I do agree that a sort of transportation is better than a long ah belt

Dont know nothing about the numbers or sum

[unkempt blade]

That's ok I understand personal growth takes times. I'll trust that your journey helps you realize the greatness of factory carts

[plucky flower]

Would you mind answering my question in questioning and help to improve my speed to the factory carts?

[unkempt blade]

maybe some trains would work for now, they're a good gateway vehicle

[plucky flower]

😂😂😂

[crisp jetty]

why does my explorer have a bright ass red outline around it

[feral geyser]

silly bug, unsure what causes it. just hover over it while holding your dismantle tool and it should disappear

[crisp jetty]

are stators worth automating

[dense violet]

you'll need to automate basically every basic part

if you use certain recipes you can cut out certain things like screws or iron rods? but that's pretty much it

[unkempt blade]

but why would you want to? variety is the spice of life 😆

[dense violet]

people are weird 😛

though I accidentally cut out iron rods a couple times

you could cut out steel entirely too I think

[unkempt blade]

they probably just have a few screws loose which makes it even more puzzling why they'd want to cut them out of production!

[white dawn]

They're mostly not worth storing, since nothing uses them in your build gun. I wouldn't personally have a dedicated stator factory

I think some crash sites might require stators. Maybe something in the equipment workshop?

[crisp jetty]

i used some for something but i cant remember

[dense violet]

like apoc said, only used to make other parts or crash sites

which still means you need them automated as the parts they are used for are used for parts further along

[cosmic pawn]

is there a good layout i can use to really optimize iron? the one i made is a bit slow with making stuff like rotors and reinforced plates

i have a screenshot

[dense violet]

is it slow because you're not getting enough ore?

[cosmic pawn]

i have 4 miners going iirc

[dense violet]

are you using all the ore?

like, counted how many smelters you'd need?

[cosmic pawn]

uh i did not

i am not good at using my brain

[unkempt blade]

Layout probably isn't going to make a huge difference but alt recipes might. If that's still not enough you just need to scale the production up more

[crisp jetty]

whats the emote keybind

[cosmic pawn]

i have 12 smelters

is that too many?

[dense violet]

layout isn't your issue then. Gotta do some basic maths or use a planner https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[crisp jetty]

if there is one, i may be mistaken

[dense violet]

who knows? no idea how much ore you're mining

[unkempt blade]

how early in the game are you?

12 sounds like probably not enough for 4 nodes

[cosmic pawn]

phase 2 stage 5

[dense violet]

yeah sorry, if you care at all about processing all the material's properly you'll need to either

1. do basic maths
   or
2. use the planner

as suggested

there's basically no way around it

otherwise you can just slap things down and it'll 'work', just not as well as it could

[cosmic pawn]

if i could figure out how to use the planner right

[dense violet]

a plan for smart plating https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Jwpf9L584eVHgA0xxTN8

mostly just have to turn off SAM ore, or the converter machines, as the 'conversion' recipes are considered base.

[plucky flower]

Just follow the link and do the output is the item(s) you want to produce and in which quantity(whatever you like) and for input do everything zero except for the ores your bringing in. And do your input there. For example 240 iron ore. Thats everything zero and iron is 240.

[unkempt blade]

pretty much how I use it is is...

1. pick the items I want as final output
2. switch to the recipes tab and either add all the alt recipes I have or limit it to specific recipes I want to use for certain steps
3. go back to the production tab and fiddle with the quantity of each item until it fits into the amount of resources I have available to do it with

[plucky flower]

Thats how I do it

[cosmic pawn]

it's definingly the layout since there is just a backup of ore on the conveyor

[dense violet]

depends how you define 'layout'
layout would generally just how you place machines

not how many machines, or throughput of belts

you could just be putting too much ore on a belt

[plucky flower]

Search up manifold lane

[unkempt blade]

12 smelters is going to be at least 600 ore in and 600 ingots out and if you're in phase 2 you'll have belts that can handle at most 480/minute so if you're trying to send it all through the same belt you're giving it more than the belt can handle

[plucky flower]

Mk1 miner:
impure 1 smelter
normal 2 smelter
pure 4 smelter

Mk2 miner
impure 2 smelter
normal 4 smelter
pure 8 smelter

So if you have 2 normal and one pure qith mk1 miner that 2+2+4

[cosmic pawn]

man why does this have to be so confusing

[plucky flower]

Its new. Its okay. Information overload is okay

[cosmic pawn]

also i am only making 3 smart plating a minute

[dense violet]

first - what are you trying to make? the end goal. what parts? how much pm?

[plucky flower]

Thats really good. What phase you in

[cosmic pawn]

everything. like the one i was taking about is making everything iron related

[cosmic pawn]

5

[dense violet]

no , you make a goal for a specific factory, this is why you're having issues

so, make a goal. What output would you like from this iron ore?

[plucky flower]

At the top right is the phase you have to complete. What number is there

[cosmic pawn]

oh i thought you meant stage

i am in phase 2

[plucky flower]

You want more reinforced iron pmates or more rotots. Or more screws. Be specific for yourself and others

[plucky flower]

So you have mk2 miners or not yet?

[cosmic pawn]

i have mk2 miners

[plucky flower]

Okay do you use pure or normal nodes or impure

Or a mix. If so whats the mix

[cosmic pawn]

i have 2 normal and 2 impure here since the nearest pure is a good bit away

[plucky flower]

Can you count. Do the math. Count the smelters up

[cosmic pawn]

i feel like i screwed myself so much that it'd be better i start over

[plucky flower]

Hold on. First get the thoughts in

[cosmic pawn]

how am i unable to figure that out

[plucky flower]

Redoing isnt wrong. But first plan what you want to do

[cosmic pawn]

that should be easy math

[dense violet]

!wikisearch miner

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=miner

[dense violet]

list of max outputs for miners on different notes

[plucky flower]

impure needs 2 smelger
normal needs 4 smelters
pure needs 8

[plucky flower]

Hold on Cobalt

[dense violet]

depending on you clocking

you really shouldn't math by building numbers

terrible habit that will make things harder later

[plucky flower]

She wants to know how much smelters she needs

[dense violet]

and the numbers are all there on the link as well as how much they are clocking things on

[cosmic pawn]

my brain hurts trying to understand all this

[dense violet]

whens the last time you slept?

[chilly sonnet]

do u guys prefer using default modular frames? or the steel pipe alt

[dense violet]

depends on the situation - early on? steel. Later, usually bolted

[unkempt blade]

I like the one with all the screws in it

[cosmic pawn]

yesterday like a normal person?

[plucky flower]

U would need to smelt 360 items without overclocking. That is 360/30=12 smelters

[dense violet]

more than 18 hrs ago? Cause if you're sleep deprived it's not a good time to learn

[plucky flower]

U can use a manifold lane and leave some space over for overclocking possibilities at the end

[chilly sonnet]

bolted as in the alt recipe that needs boatloads more screws?4

how late is "later"? like mk3 belts

[cosmic pawn]

less than 18 hours ago. ik i stayed up late last night trying to get this to work

[chilly sonnet]

or even later than that?

[cosmic pawn]

since my usual sleep hours is like 6-8

[plucky flower]

Do you know what manifold lanes are?

[crisp jetty]

do u have cast screws?

[cosmic pawn]

kinda

[chilly sonnet]

Yes

[cosmic pawn]

i just struggle to make them work

[plucky flower]

Which tier of belts have you unlocked

[cosmic pawn]

mk3

[plucky flower]

Thats 270 items. We have to smelt 360

So thats why there was back up

[unkempt blade]

cast screws is such a great recipe

[cosmic pawn]

i am smelting 360 ores

[chilly sonnet]

yeah this game needs a lot of working memory and mental math lol... Or you could just put excel sheets on your second monitor

[plucky flower]

we can split the 360 in two. So use a normal and a impure node and place 6 smelters in manifold

[crisp jetty]

honestly tho

[plucky flower]

By splitting or how?

[crisp jetty]

bolted frames are pretty nice too

[unkempt blade]

ya it's actually amazing, 2 step screws is super annoying early game

[cosmic pawn]

mind if i just send you a photo if dm's. i am bad at explaining stuff

[plucky flower]

If you want to Luna you can go in my dm. Not necessary but its easier to text. If you dont want continue here

[crisp jetty]

fr

[plucky flower]

Luna I have dmd you

Check it if you want to continue there

[crisp jetty]

what is the incident that the sign in the hub is referring to, cuz i know its reset multiple times

bruh i didnt notice i was out of jetpack fuel and i fell to my demise

[chilly sonnet]

Guys which modular frame recipe do u prefer

[crisp jetty]

bolted

[chilly sonnet]

i see

[dense violet]

yes bolted as the alt.

but early on, often steel since I make stators and rotors in the same spot

[white dawn]

Pioneer "accidents" (as in the ones which cause you to respawn at the HUB. :)

[dense violet]

steel pipes everywhere

[chilly sonnet]

if im gonna use the bolted recipe for frames... it's gonna need absurd amounts of screws not only for the frames but also for the reinforced plates tho

[crisp jetty]

as in death?

[chilly sonnet]

i feel like this is gonna cause a belt bottleneck

[dense violet]

I probably woudln't do bolted until you ahve the steel screw recipe

[chilly sonnet]

i have that

but the issue is belt throughput

[dense violet]

nah, just have a constructor direct feed the assembler

[white dawn]

Reminder for screws: make them right in front of the machine that needs them. Don't bother trying to centralize or manifold that stuff; just go direct from machine->machine

[chilly sonnet]

that's not gonna work with my scalable manifold design xd

im just being really stingy cuz i dont wanna have 2 belts of any specific resource other than iron ingots

[white dawn]

Trying to centralize/manifold screws is the primary reason for people saying that they "hate screws"

It's not going to be fun, trust me. :)

(Well, I mean, you may have fun with it regardless. But it'll be quite a bit more difficult than it needs to be)

[chilly sonnet]

but surely i can just use a different alt recipe

[dense violet]

this makes 10 bolted frames pm with 1 belt feeding the system with 3 items https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1393068256214122637/1393093916668198922/image.png?ex=68f27590&is=68f12410&hm=c210a1c192a5029dfd61d34a31d4a61dc3c35a84564c03231c8a0764ec744823&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1232&height=958

[white dawn]

If you use an alt recipe which doesn't need screws, sure, then direct-feeding screws wouldn't be an adviseable strategy. :)

But if you've got something that does need screws, producing them directly in front of the machine that needs them is nearly always the path of least resistance

I seem to recall you mentioned Factorio earlier, so keep in mind: the fastest belt in Satisfactory is slower than the slowest belt in Factorio. Some design plans which work well in Factorio just don't work well in Satisfactory, etc. :)

[chilly sonnet]

ill try that sort of compact design in a later playthrough but rn im setting up one long line and every part is scalable in one direction https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/456190760379875329/1428542950165446787/image.png?ex=68f2e1cc&is=68f1904c&hm=88e78e9966e67811ffdd67c34d25090e4b07d779c04e92fe543753477b39ac80&

[dense violet]

oh you're doing busses, yeah that's a ton more work.
they don't do a good job in this game

[chilly sonnet]

how come

[dense violet]

10x the effort for no benefit

as apoc said - this is not factorio

the throughput of belts are quite low in this game and you often need more than 1 full belt of any resource for a medium sized factory

plus factorio and other games have variable production, everything in satisfactory is static

so dedicated lines are simpler and far more compact

[chilly sonnet]

no it's arguably 0.1x effort lol im just being ocd trying to avoid vertical belts where possible

honestly now that nudging works i dont even need to avoid verticality that bad

[dense violet]

sure gl with it

[chilly sonnet]

wdym by this

[dense violet]

literally what I said - factorio has variable resource acquisition and production rates so items are dlivered in bulk to be processed

where as nodes in satisfactory never run out, never slow down, you never have critters eating train tracks that stop processes

everything is static and permanent.
other than the idea of 'automation' factorio (and other games) have very little in common design wise

[shrewd palm]

theres just something about phase 2/3

im not sure i can really put it into words but its really relaxing

[chilly sonnet]

okay but the only disadvantage of a megabus is that you have to use more belts sure... But the fact you can scale production of any specific part is still nice

[dense violet]

yo ucan scale production without them.

[chilly sonnet]

yeah with 10x more effort.....

[dense violet]

make a manifold and extend the manifold when you get a faster belt

[chilly sonnet]

well the bus is one giant series of manifolds

[dense violet]

starter factory made from extendable sections

#1425811234363801732 message

[shrewd palm]

busses are nice for long distance transportation that doesnt warrant trains or anything, but outside of that i dont think they have very much use

[dense violet]

10x the effort and space. in any case I'm not going to spend the time I save not using buses convincing you about the extra effort and lack of benefit of buses. gl with it

[chilly sonnet]

space sure but effort i dont agree

effort wise, your approach is basically controlled spaghetti

that's nowhere near as simple as one long line

[white dawn]

Bus usage is unrelated to spaghettiness

[chilly sonnet]

bus is the opposite of spaghetti tho

[white dawn]

Anyway, you'll find out eventually. There are plenty of things which seem to work okay in the early game but then turn out to scale horribly

[chilly sonnet]

ill just add more lines to each bus line (vertically)

[white dawn]

You'll know once the nightmare starts setting in. :)

[white dawn]

It really isn't

[chilly sonnet]

in factorio the only reason you eventually stop using a bus is when resources deplete and you swap to using trains/city blocks

but in satisfactory there's literally infinite resources

so arguably static production favors the bus design even harder

[white dawn]

Anyway, so long as you're having fun, all is well. You will discover the folly of bus design in Satisfactory eventually

[chilly sonnet]

it's literally uncooked pasta

[white dawn]

And you won't be the first (or last!) to make that discovery. :)

[chilly sonnet]

Straight lines

[leaden turret]

in factorio:

• you can't build up
• you can't enjoy nice views
• you can't just chill

[crisp jetty]

industrialization!!!

[chilly sonnet]

you can't build up but you do have underground belts

actually satisfactory should add underground belts instead of allowing clipping lol

[leaden turret]

lasagn is opposite of spaghett https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=lasagn

[chilly sonnet]

it looks so wrong when belts clip through eachother but apparently the devs intentionally allow it

[white dawn]

I'm not arguing that bus designs can't be clean, I'm saying that non-bus designs can be perfectly clean

[leaden turret]

ficsit had pocket dimension tech, not entirely unreasonable to assume ficsit also has phase-shifting tech

[crisp jetty]

i think it looks kinda cool haha

[white dawn]

So, don't clip belts? I don't clip belts in my factories. And I generally don't make spaghetti. :)

[chilly sonnet]

that's why i called non-bus design "controlled" spaghetti

[chilly sonnet]

real

[white dawn]

Eh, I think you're using "spaghetti" in a different way than this community at large, then. :)

'cause well-ordered clean factories don't fit the word as it's used here

[chilly sonnet]

ok wait i just realized something

it's a lot easier to avoid spaghetti in satisfactory because it's 3D

you have more directions to expand in

But two of those directions are impractical until tier 5 (you need jetpack to make verticality less of a problem)

[white dawn]

Heh, that's often as much of a curse as it is a benefit, but yeah, that can certainly help. :D

[crisp jetty]

is there an official record, or just a commonly known player who holds the title for "largest satisfactory factory"

[white dawn]

Sometimes it just means you've got an extra dimension to spaghettify. :D

[chilly sonnet]

but by that same token

it's a lot easier to build a bus in satisfactory

because you can add belts above or below lol

[white dawn]

Heh, well re: that, you'll find out how poorly that scales eventually

[chilly sonnet]

if you mess up and realize your bus doesn't have enough space for a resource, it's not as bad as it is in factorio

[white dawn]

Anyway, gotta scoot!

[chilly sonnet]

i really dont get what you're referring to tho

[shrewd palm]

busses may seem like they work now

but later in the game they become one of the least efficient ways to build factories

[chilly sonnet]

what's the bottleneck

[shrewd palm]

space and the way the game works i guess

[chilly sonnet]

but if you build high in the sky you have infinite space

[shrewd palm]

with factorio whenever you need something you just take a belt from the bus and then mix everything back after

and with satisfactory that can work, but because you have the vertical dimension instead of just the 2 horizontal ones the best thing to do usually just ends up being making a bus or having some other way to get resources to your factory and then splitting those belts off to wherver they're needed

and another big thing is that with factorio you're always expanding, and a bus is a really good way to do that because in that game it basically scales infinitely and ratios arent as big of a problem there as they are in satisfactory

[chilly sonnet]

"the best thing to do usually just ends up being making a bus"
agreed ✅

[chilly sonnet]

No actually in factorio you HAVE to abandon the bus and venture far away eventually, because resources deplete
in satisfactory im lowkey considering just staying in the same area cuz i found every single resource nearby

[shrewd palm]

but with this game, the expansion is a lot less "aggressive" i guess, because the nodes never run out and any expanding/upgrading you have to do will just be adding a couple more machines and maybe some newer belts to a resource node that you just got a new miner for

[chilly sonnet]

meaning the bus is arguably more powerful in satisfactory than in factorio

im not doubting that there are more space efficient ways to do things in satisfactory. To make better use of the vertical axis

But i cant even do that until tier 5 because without a jetpack it's so scuffed

[shrewd palm]

catwalks and stuff help a little bit

but they're no jetpack and absolutely no hoverpack

[shrewd palm]

you'll figure things out as you go along

this is a game with lots of different ways to play and there isnt really any right or wrong way of doing anything, just methods that are more efficient

[chilly sonnet]

oh wait i confused the two... so hoverpack is tier 7

[shrewd palm]

if it works it works and if not

[chilly sonnet]

that's even more egregious lol i need tier 7 to play vertically properly

[shrewd palm]

well try something else

[chilly sonnet]

yes the "something else" is the megabus

[shrewd palm]

lmao

[chilly sonnet]

any other design needs tier 7 to not be scuffed

im still gonna expand my bus vertically btw, but only when belt throughput bottlenecks a specific ingredient

[shrewd palm]

have you played around with blueprints and stuff yet?

they'll make busses a lot easier

just one of many, many ways they make things easier

[chilly sonnet]

Ye as u can see in the pic im using a blueprint for smelters, constructors, and assemblers https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/456190760379875329/1428542950165446787/image.png?ex=68f2e1cc&is=68f1904c&hm=88e78e9966e67811ffdd67c34d25090e4b07d779c04e92fe543753477b39ac80&

i ended up needing 2 blueprints for constructors because wires & screws output a lot more than they input

so i inverted the constructors and merger/splitters

[shrewd palm]

ahh

if you want to stick with busses you should probably make a few that are just a bunch of conveyor poles/long belts that you can autoconnect together

makes a bus that would take like 10-15 minutes take only 1 or 2

[chilly sonnet]

very true ill do that next

[rustic pier]

So confused.. i just deconstructed a ton of stuff and i have no crate.. and the nearest one is kinda far away..

[chilly sonnet]

settings > gameplay > disable merge dismantle crates

it's enabled by default but i disable it because otherwise when you deconstruct, it will literally put ALL materials in one box even if it's far away lol

[feral geyser]

Yeah, it searches like, 150 m i think? And merges them

[rustic pier]

Oh i thought it had to be near by..

If its in that crate.. i swear to god lol

[feral geyser]

It's a pretty long range

[chilly sonnet]

it's 100 meters, or about 12+ foundations

And that's the radius

[feral geyser]

Ah okay

[chilly sonnet]

so it's more like a 24 foundation circle

[rustic pier]

Oh. This is farther than that.. ive had crates pop in that didnt even show on my hud..

[chilly sonnet]

Man... if the build gun can instantly build and dismantle, why can't it instantly ctrl+z too

[rustic pier]

Lol

I just wish i could copy a setting to multiple splitters at once

[chilly sonnet]

you can

[feral geyser]

Just sample the splitter

[chilly sonnet]

yeah the sample shortcut

[feral geyser]

It copies the settings

[chilly sonnet]

cant you also use the clipboard copy + paste?

[feral geyser]

Yes

[chilly sonnet]

why does this game have copy+paste but no cut+paste or ctrl+z

[rustic pier]

Does that work for ones already built?

[feral geyser]

Yes

[chilly sonnet]

i wish the copy paste was long range

[feral geyser]

Cut, I understand

[chilly sonnet]

but it's like, u have to practically hug the building

[feral geyser]

Get a hover pack, instant range upgrade

[rustic pier]

Well now.

[chilly sonnet]

ikr i need it so bad bruh

once i have it, game goes from playing five nights at freddy's to 3D factorio i bet

[feral geyser]

FNAF is an interesting comparison

[chilly sonnet]

the pain and horror is equal

😎

[languid anvil]

Why is this game's soundtrack so good

[shy fog]

down to waiting for machine to finish cranking out my modular engines, then ballistic warp drives are a go

[rustic pier]

Ok damn! It was in that crate..

Holy hell thats a distance

[shy fog]

distance is relative to your ability to bunny hop

[rustic pier]

Lol well when i have to go up and over a cliff..

How do i post a screenshot in here.. lol to give you a reference for how far this is..

[shy fog]

gotta go to #screenshots

[rustic pier]

How do i link it here?(sorry never did it before

#screenshots message

Highlighted marker at the top is where i was deconstructing lol.. bottom of picture is me

[sick dragon]

ive played this game for years how have i not noticed the marching procession of birds at the menu lol

[shy fog]

because it's only since 1.1

[feral geyser]

You should check out Sanctum's soundtrack, Coffee Stain puts out some bangers

"Stellar" is a great one in particular

Pretty sure it's on the boombox if you buy the tape from the shop.

[civic reef]

so i dont know how to explain this but im missing a limestone node #screenshots message

[shrewd palm]

its there its just hiding

you should be able to place a miner on it

[civic reef]

oh it's just a sneaky node okay, i see that now

[chilly sonnet]

Ok wait i just understood the real limitation of the bus design

like

you can easily beat the game with this design

but you cant easily exploit every single node on the map

because mk6 belts have a throughput of 1200 whereas all the iron on the map is like 30,000+

[coarse pebble]

stackable conveyors to the rescue

[chilly sonnet]

but lets say u have a long line of constructors

once their total input reaches 1200

the line cant be extended

you could copy paste that part of the factory above and behind it i guess

but yeah not as clean as i hoped

it's inefficient and kinda defeats a lot of the fun of planning out different facilities specialized around the nodes in that part of the map

[vestal hill]

That’s what I want to do

It’s more efficient and it’s funny

Or just kind of exist on the northeast coast

[chilly sonnet]

real

Guys is it possible to put a splitter directly on the exit point of a miner?

[vestal hill]

No but you can have like 2 inches of belt and then a splitter

I might be wrong though

I doubt it

[chilly sonnet]

but then miner mk2 can technically produce 600 which is higher than an mk4 belt

So basically you need mk5 belts to fully take advantage of an mk2 miner

[shrewd palm]

belt speed/building method is not the limiter at that point ngl

even with an absolute top of the line, every component is the absolute best on the market pc you will be playing in frames per minute if you try to use every node

[chilly sonnet]

even on minimum setts?

[vestal hill]

Yeah?

[chilly sonnet]

Damn

[shrewd palm]

its not graphics its calculations + some other stuff

[chilly sonnet]

okay so megabus aint even that bad what are these haters yapping about 😎

[shrewd palm]

this game is much more cpu heavy than gpu

[chilly sonnet]

altho it's less fashionable cuz u cant make tons of cool looking facilities

[vestal hill]

Yeah cuz it needs to run thr whole world at once

[shrewd palm]

belts end up being a big problem with endgame megafactories

i dont remember exactly why but the way they were made just doesnt really hold up with super excessive builds

[chilly sonnet]

how can you minimize the lag

like what's the best practices

[shrewd palm]

unless you're building really insane builds you shouldnt have any very big problems

[vestal hill]

On the stream they had for console release Q&A they said “to make preformance not horrible on PC’s we had to do some really weird stuff with how belts work for optimization”

[dense violet]

smaller dedicated hubs places

scattered about

[shrewd palm]

and i think building vertical helps with performance but im not really sure about that one

all my really big builds are flat instead of tall

[chilly sonnet]

How do you guys go about making a "central storage" area

[shrewd palm]

and i guess if you want a scale of performance with big builds, my 630GW nuclear plant drops my game down to about 15-25fps when i have it all rendered and looking in its general direction from about a biome away drops fps by like 25%
and im using an r5 5600, 3060ti, 16gb ram (they are several years old and i have not been treating them the best, so fresh off the shelf with these parts would probably be ~5fps higher)

[chilly sonnet]

like it's so awkward early game when u dont have smart splitters or dimensional depots

do u just not bother until late game?

[vestal hill]

Last game I made one mid phase two but this game I’m starting rubber production without one

It’s a hassle running around to get everything I need and I’m sick of it I don’t know why I’m waiting lol

[shrewd palm]

i like to dedicate one biome (grassy fields) to the super basic resources and thats usually where i'll build a base (that i'll spend very little time at), and then some of the more advanced resources i'll drone or train in to the storage inside the base

and of course either at the storage facility or where the items are being produced i'll have depots

[vestal hill]

Yeah I’ll probably move all my depots to the main storage when I have it

[shrewd palm]

the depot is such a game changer

[vestal hill]

It really is

[shrewd palm]

might get manufacturers going tomorrow so i should be able to get all that stuff up and running

[vestal hill]

Can’t wait to go exploring for more crash sites, sloops and spheres

[shrewd palm]

im doing that once i get the jetpack and turbofuel related items

should hopefully be able to get all the alts and stuff for phase 3

[feral geyser]

Rocket fuel is really where it's at for the jetpack

Then ionized once you can make that

[shrewd palm]

i was stuck on turbofuel for like 3 or 400 hours before i got ionized fuel running so i think im a little attached to it

definitely gonna be playing things a little smarter in this run tho

turbo ammo and explosive rebar will be very nice instead of using nobelisks and iron rebar tho

[visual dock]

Hey, I cant tell If I am behind the curve or not, im on my first playthrough, and im struggling to automate lategame components at more than like, 2 per minute, is it normal or do most folks just scale up hardcore in the late game?

Im currently dying trying to work on getting fused frames automated after only getting 1 supercomputer a minute

[vestal hill]

Yeah I wanna get fuel factory sorted before I go out again

[vestal hill]

I’ve not experienced late game but I see people making massive factories just for like 40/m of an item

So I assume it’s a grind

[shrewd palm]

going for more than a couple per minute requires a lot of planning, which is probably more dedication than most people put into their first run of the game (this is what i've seen on youtube and here at least)

a lot of people seem to play with the mentality of figuring things out and not really doing anything insane for their first run or so, and then scaling up in later runs

i personally went that route up until like mid phase 4 in my first run, and then decided to make insane mega factories that i dont think i was quite ready for yet

[dense violet]

you can unlock those extremely early

[shrewd palm]

like my first save has terrible infrastructure and i didnt really plan anything out beyond individual factories

[dense violet]

also central storages were... not very mechanically beneficial even before dim depots.

You spend more time planning and building than just hopping in a hyper tube to a couple factories

plus the fact that your 'central storage' could be further away from where you're building than the factories that make the items

if you want to make them for fun? yeah sure whatever. send a bunch of stuff and use smart splitters

[shrewd palm]

so i've started a new one and i've got basically the same goals but im dedicating the entire save (trying to at least) to make those goals easier instead of making them up 3/4 of the way through the game

[dense violet]

pretty much just depends on making more of the basic parts.

or instead of sinking everything, have a few containers of each part buffered to quickly feed the later game items

they fill up fast as you explore and build

[visual dock]

I appreciate the reponse, I keep on waffling between wanting to build big and rip down or retrofit until tier 6 logistics, p much the whole game is new as I have not played since roughly early 2020

[shrewd palm]

from someone that did that only do it if you plan on making really big mega factories

[visual dock]

This is what I did a lot yeah, I have a ton of stuff everywhere, but mostly one big factory in the valley biome

[dense violet]

that should get you a fair few parts per min, buffered systems like that can fill larger sections of production than can be 'sustained' but because it all backs up it works out

[shrewd palm]

not everything needs to be rebuilt with the best stuff and ngl its just wasting time and effort to rebuild anything once you get mk3 miners into your factories and whatnot

[dense violet]

if you're on like nuclear pasta though I probably wouldn't aim for more than 2-4 pm

[shrewd palm]

and the only time you really need those are for megafactories where you dont want to drain half the nodes of one resource

i guess what i should say is that you probably dont need to worry about replacing all your old miners with mk3s (mk2s are probably enough) and instead just use them as your new main miner for future builds

as for belts and stuff idrk, technically mk6s are really only needed for getting pure nodes with fully overclocked mk3 miners

mk5s were enough for however many years the game was in early access and they're still enough now

[visual dock]

Thank you for the advice! Both of you! Im just still figuring things out (I only built my first train today, and it moves..... 1 crystal oscillator per minute. 🤦 )

[visual dock]

Yeah good god no i can barely make supercomputers and radios rn, I cannot imagine scaling to like, 10+ pasta

[shrewd palm]

trains 🤤

[dense violet]

my main advice?
treat tiers 1-9 like a tutorial until you get to do your own projects

once you've unlocked everything you can properly plan permanent factories 🙂

[visual dock]

It IS absolutely worth it tho to watch to fly through the base

[shrewd palm]

yes i love trains

[visual dock]

Thats my plan too, if I dont just flat restart and make a new file, starting in the dessert does sound very cool ngl

(After I beat the game, not abandoning this file)

[shrewd palm]

i think i'll be finishing up with tiers 5 and 6 tomorrow so i should be able to get trains and stuff going

[visual dock]

Either way, i just got notified im 8 hours into this play session, I really gotta get to bed.

[shrewd palm]

gonna spend like 200 hours just on making a global train network that actually looks good and isnt just a bunch of platforms

[shrewd palm]

thats what the haters want you to do

what about the puppies and kittens

[exotic pilot]

Chat

[visual dock]

You guys were fantastic help (both in advice and making me feel not dumb) Have a great night!

[exotic pilot]

What is up

[dense violet]

I restarted a fully new map at tiers 3 5 and 7? it helped my basic skills a lot I think

that's not for everyone though. But each restart was faster and faster

[civic reef]

im having that moment of i dont know how much is too much in terms of steel production/early game parts (rods, sheets, reinforced sheets, wire... etc)

[dense violet]

make a full node of each and see how you go

[cursive crane]

Make what you need/what makes sense for your current production, you'll need to scale it later

It depends on alt recipes and how much you are willing to wait eventually.

[civic reef]

yeah i gotta crunch numbers to see how much of what i got then figure out further math from there

[exotic pilot]

Bro I just had a massive spider on me

It might still be on me

I’m terrified

[civic reef]

#screenshots message

hmm, i think this'll be enough nodes to nom up for all the resources in the area

now to crunch numbers and see how much i can make out of this

[zenith pecan]

Bomb it! 😄

[civic reef]

step 1: get lizard doggo
step 2: get more lizard doggo
step 3: acquire nuclear warhead
step 4: profit

[zenith pecan]

Skip the doggos and spam nukes with reckless abandon, what could possibly go wrong 😄 https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1377755384877416550

[civic reef]

interesting, why are you making a coke plant?

ive never seen the value in make petro coke, enlighten me as to why

[zenith pecan]

That coke plant has been running for a while, it has two jobs which use spare oil nearby, first, feeding my bauxite refinery, the second, the excess coke is converted to time crystals.

My bauxite refinery uses a hell of a lot of coke in fact.

[civic reef]

ah, neat! for bauxite on my first save i went the sloppy into pure route

[dense violet]

electrode scrap is excellent , especially for larger set ups

[civic reef]

i was lazy admittedly

[zenith pecan]

Mine uses sloppy > electrode > pure, it is 12300 ore in, 12300 ingots out.

[dense violet]

part of the reason Electrode is good, other than a slightly higher output, is that you can process basically all the bauxite in the world with 2 pipes of oil, instead of a million nodes of coal

[civic reef]

holy shit, that is VERY good to know

[zenith pecan]

Mine uses one pipe of oil and some sloops to process all of the bauxite.

[civic reef]

valid use of sloops

[dense violet]

eh, duping 😛

[civic reef]

we love duping

im just planning my tier 4 setup rn

#screenshots message im consuming this entire area admittedly

[zenith pecan]

I kinda got famous for swallowing whole biomes with builds 🤣

[civic reef]

should i wait until i get t4 belts and trains? maybe
am i also just wanting to consume things now? also maybe

i am thinking i might just pull back in scope that way i can get even more resources because the jump for t3->4 belts is nice but also i could just like

rebuild the factory and OC where needed

[dense violet]

do whatever? you can do trains much earlier and it's one of hte easier ones to upgrade with better belts

[lyric shale]

can anyone help me with my train signals?

[dense violet]

make a post in #1038092680493801533 or post in #math-and-meta for trouble shooting

[chilly sonnet]

i mean if you're gonna add a buffer before your dim depot, you might as well centralize all the buffers as 1 building on the map

[dense violet]

the buffer is for future production lines

[chilly sonnet]

yeye but u might as well just centralize the buffers in 1 place no?

[dense violet]

the dim depot is off to the side

why? dim depots centralise things in your pocket

[chilly sonnet]

they only centralize 5 stacks

and that's at max lvl

[dense violet]

and again "You spend more time planning and building than just hopping in a hyper tube to a couple factories

plus the fact that your 'central storage' could be further away from where you're building than the factories that make the items

[3:20 PM]Friday, October 17, 2025 3:20 PM
if you want to make them for fun? yeah sure whatever. send a bunch of stuff and use smart splitters"

[chilly sonnet]

dont u need like 50 spheres to get to the 5 stacks

[dense violet]

not hard, you often don't need that especially early on

I swear people just skip over the important bits of msgs when they don't like them

[chilly sonnet]

i think u should centralize the buffers of the like

10 items that u consume more than 5 stacks of

mainly stuff like concrete + any ingredients used in belts

[hard ivy]

I don't centralize shit

Everything for building comes straight from depot

[chilly sonnet]

You're not making a megafactory

So i would guess you never burn through 5 stacks fast enough for it to matter

[hard ivy]

I'm currently building a factory that'll have 1000+ machines and it's only for tier 8 items

[chilly sonnet]

Do you put multiple depots as input?

[hard ivy]

I build a lot of stuff

[chilly sonnet]

Like for concrete

[hard ivy]

I have 12 just for concrete

[chilly sonnet]

Ok ye that makes sense

[hard ivy]

The 5 stack limit would only matter if I wanted to place a BP that needed more than 5 stacks of one item

[chilly sonnet]

Do you also just never place down the hub? do you keep 20 ores in your inventory at all times (until depots are unlocked)

[hard ivy]

It's still in the same place I built it 5 minutes into the game

[chilly sonnet]

I thought you said you don't centralize shit 😎

might as well keep your hub nomadic and shi

[hard ivy]

Yeah, and there's basically nothing near it lol

[chilly sonnet]

that way you wont need to return to the hub whenever u complete smth

[hard ivy]

I just yeet myself over there when I want to unlock something

[chilly sonnet]

u just place it down from anywhere etc

i dont do that for the hub but if im gonna try the "independence" playstyle i definitely will

cuz i already do that for the MAM to countdown the hard drives while exploring

[dense violet]

you can have multiple mams

[chilly sonnet]

yeah but it's like 5 reinforced iron plates and those are precious in tier 1 💀

so i kept the habit of removing the MAM after im done using it

[hard ivy]

Well, I've gotta keep the 800 shards I have somewhere. And I don't want to upload them automatically because then I wouldn't be able to put excess shards into the depot. So I have a container near the hub. If I'm running low, I just grab a stack or 3. So they're at the hub

I also have a bunch of hypercannons there, pointed in different directions, and cannons at the factories point at the hub

[chilly sonnet]

a centralized storage area for your power shards

😎

bro DOES centralize certain shits

[hard ivy]

By that logic, I'd be centralizing everything because I don't have more than one storage for any item

But they're all in different places so 🤷‍♂️

[leaden turret]

toilet in hub is centralised storage for power sharts

[hard ivy]

Funnily enough, due to our accent, this is exactly how me and my friend were pronouncing shards

[chilly sonnet]

TRUE

[wary perch]

I centralize my hope for different liquids in my ficsit coffee cup

[civic reef]

i forgot there was a battery item in this game

[leaden turret]

don't think too hard about what the liquid was before the toilet was added

[civic reef]

centralize everything. make a massive warehouse for everything and centralize them resources for maximum efficiency

[hard ivy]

What efficiency? It doesn't matter where you process the resources, only how

[languid anvil]

is there any way to dismantle a specific segment of a personal elevatory or do you really have to delete the entire thing

i accidentally built it 1 meter too high and i just need to give it a haircut from the top, but i can only dismantle it completely

[slender quest]

Better go for complete dismantle, the game might not be smart enough for edits like that.

Place some guiding foundations first so you don't overshoot.

[languid anvil]

damn that sucks

[white grotto]

what tier is better armor?

[leaden turret]

"better" implies you have any to begin with

[white grotto]

alright i have no armor

[leaden turret]

game is not combat-focussed, there is no base defense etc. etc.

[cunning siren]

There ARE defenses you can build in blueprint form

[leaden turret]

there are things you can build but there are no game mechanics for base defense

[white grotto]

theres 5 hogs around this crash site

[leaden turret]

+ =🥩

[cunning siren]

Here is your armor: #screenshots message

[leaden turret]

recommendation: use spoiler mode for arachnophobia mode stand-in

[cunning siren]

Or a watchtower or a ladder 🤷

Or a high up platform

[leaden turret]

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[white grotto]

very detailed

[cunning siren]

I've been using "giga ladders" this run in phase 1, OP AF

Climb to top and see what hard drive you want? Parachute down to it... EZ-mode "bois"

My imperfect human memory forgets where SAM is though 😆 and I was turtling for the key alt recipes that can be had in phase 1 so no boom booms yet

I'm not sure why Dune start is seen as the "advanced player" mode 🤷 maybe because of the massive elevation changes to the south? IDK

[white grotto]

why does this crash site need power 😭

[cunning siren]

OOooooof

[white grotto]

means its good right.

[hard ivy]

Some crash sites need power

[cunning siren]

Good thing you have a magic build gun that can materialize things out of thin air in seconds

[hard ivy]

All drop pods are the same - contain 1 HDD

They all have different materials scattered around them, but they're accessible without unlocking the drop pod

[white grotto]

alr

[cunning siren]

Drop down a few biofuel gens and pop that drop pod open

[white grotto]

its like 600meters away from my base i just ran some poles to it

[sterile blade]

The moment you load the savefile will be their last moment running 8ubtil you fix their production chains)

This wasn't like the "Packager-transition-period", where refineries could still keep running with the old recipes if you just didn't change them...

What's wrong with my name? 😭

[cunning siren]

I'm looking for a panted beam replacement, something that doesn't use steel maybe? 🤷

Is there such a thing?

Round Concrete Beam, there we go

[sterile blade]

Tired of skirted beams already?

[cunning siren]

Nah, want something cheaper but still able to be used as a pillar of sorts

OH yea, that's much more sexy for vertically oriented double wall outlets. Both round, noice

Can't paint it though 😭

🤷

Looks ok; #screenshots message

It may look nicer without the square beam connector 🤔

[shy mulch]

those walls are very.... walls

[cunning siren]

The walls serve two purposes, 1. I get 60 FPS while I'm in the "design room" 2. When i go hog wild with the customizer tool it only "backsplashes" the walls vs. any other thing outside of the "design room"

[shy mulch]

smart 🙂

try pressing G 🙂

[cunning siren]

Now I just need a blue print of the design room and Mk.3 designer 😆 anybody with that "mega blueprint size" mod want to help me out? 😆

[cunning siren]

YEEES, I've started using the filters and that does not seem to change that I am human and make mistakes 🤷

[civic reef]

the pain of making an entire plan for a factory only to forget rotors, stators, and motors

it's an easy enough fix, but it means i can't get 450 steel pipes per minute now (i dont need that many i know, it's just funny that i can make that many so easily)

[versed mesa]

How do i make my save creative mode on Scim and then make it not creative when done ?

[hard ivy]

Just get more ore

[civic reef]

Nah im just gonna cut down my steel pipe production to maybe like, 150p/m. 450 was just funny to me

[versed mesa]

Am wanting to make my save creative mode abd turn it back when am finished nit sure if this is a good idea fir wanting to create a big blueprint in huge designer what do yous think is right ?

Ive uploaded my save to Scim

[cunning siren]

TIL: With the chainsaw the activation key can be held while running from object to object, stopping at the object is all that is required. Listen for the "tree felling sounds" then move to the next, Turbo-Chainsaw ™ strategy

Woh, mah to do list is bugged out? It only displays 2 characters then goes to the next line 😆

Restarting did not fix it? 😭

OH, If I put something in the private notes as well, it fixes it. Strange bug is strange

[cunning siren]

Maybe as an actual benefit of competing project assembly my FPS will go up (Spoilers) ||because the space platform will no longer render? 🤔 That thing goes away after phase 5 completion right? I forget||

[dire prairie]

i have a question. i have 555 ionised fuel on the ready. meaning i have 555 rocket fuel before that. i have built a factory to package the rocket fuel and also one to turn it into ionised fuel. let´s say i hock the ionised fuel up to the generators, but some other time i´ll need packaged rocket fuel, am i able to just switch back to the ionised fuel generators? because in my experience i always had to let the pipes fill up completely before they could run everything (if i´m producing the exact amount needed). so can i just hock it up again and overtime the pipes will fill completely despite the generators already burning fuel?

[cunning siren]

If you are using the same fuel build you will need to "calculate in" the what the packagers may take or pipes may get "sad"

[subtle pulsar]

whats a fun mod to playy

[dire prairie]

the thing is i can only use one. both the generators and the packaging facility take up all the rocket fuel i have. so only one will be active at a time

[cunning siren]

I usally underclock the packager and turn off a few gens 🤷

Figure out what each OC'ed gen eats and turn that off, match that to packagers 🤷

If you are "fancy" put all of that on a priority switch so you can turn it off and on when you want

[hard ivy]

Why are you putting ionized fuel into generators XD?

[dire prairie]

that´s the problem with the generators though, cutting them of from the grid won´t shut them down. as long as they are connected to a pole, they´ll run

[dire prairie]

because power is nice

[cunning siren]

Ionized fuel is usally burned in a gen for a meme

[hard ivy]

I have some bad news for you lol

[cunning siren]

Because it take more power to make it then it does when it comes out

The power to make the sythentic shards is not small

[hard ivy]

Unless you have ~4 augmenters giving you +40% power, turning rocket fuel into ionized fuel is a net loss in terms of usable power

[dire prairie]

i have 5

[hard ivy]

And that's with default IF. Dark-Ion fuel is so bad it can't be made net positive even with a +300% boost (which is the max in vanilla)

[dire prairie]

and i already beat the world i´m playing in, so i just wanna build cool stuff

[cunning siren]

Ok, there may be some logic mods that may help you out with the gens perhaps? IDK I have yet to use mods

[dire prairie]

and i can use somersloops to make more fuel to use it for vehicles and drones

i have a lot of power to spare with even more on the way

[hard ivy]

Lmao I just did the math and you'd need a negative 40% "boost" to make dark-ion worth burning. Any positive boost just makes RF better and better

[cunning siren]

Yea, sounds like it's for "yucks and giggles" though so logic does not need to apply

[dire prairie]

yeah the only reason i have a rocket fuel packaging factory was to make that. then i built the converters and actually looked at the stuff needed and was like: "huh.... this is ass"

but hey, i can package rocket fuel now

[hard ivy]

Correction negative one hundred and forty percent. That means reversing production and consumption numbers XD. It's just straight up always less power, even if it cost nothing to make

[cunning siren]

BTW doggo scanner 😝

Ion fuel in jetpack is baller IMO 🤷 in a fuel gen it's a meme

Drones are kind of a meme too, If you have the power to spare though drones is not bad, they go faster 🤷

[dire prairie]

i am macking packaged ionised fuel for my jetpack

straight into the depot

[hard ivy]

I mean there's one legitimate reason to put ionized fuel into a generator. If you want to get rid of excess power shards

[dire prairie]

in all honesty i´ll have 285 generators of ionised fuel which is 71 gigawatts. the powershards don´t take that much by a longshot

but on this topic, does it make any differance if the gens are overcloked or not? or does it just reduce the amount of gens you need to build

[hard ivy]

Fuel has a set energy value. Whether you burn it in 100 or 1000 gens, you'll get the same amount of power (as long as you burnt the same amount)

[unkempt blade]

I agree, he should do ionized fuel power for the memes

everyone loves memes, think of how great that power plant will be

[cunning siren]

Efficiency part of people right now

[unkempt blade]

It just reduces the number you need to use for the same amount of fuel. There's no downside with power generators

[dire prairie]

the efficient part of my world is complete. now i want it to look good

before i made ionised fuel, i had 20 gens in the crator burning normal fuel. now i´m making all the other fuel there and burning it as well

legends say there used to be a lake

legends say there used to be caves

[unkempt blade]

Won't somebody please think of all the poor helpless spiders? You're destroying their natural habitat!

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[dire prairie]

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fuck

no i won´t. they don´t want me there, i don´t want them there. but i have an assult rifle