satisfactory

[versed mesa]

Yeah give me that please lol

[clever stone]

I think there is and it sounds like it solves almost every problem people have with pipes and liquids

[clever stone]

I haven’t messed with the modding scene yet so I dunno where to point you for that sorry

[hard ivy]

Yeah, and there's pipe tuner that can make fluids work a little more reliably

[versed mesa]

Am already there lol

[bronze atlas]

ive seen a mod for that yes, but i havent tried it yet

[versed mesa]

So would you recommend me to get them then ?

[hard ivy]

https://ficsit.app/mod/allFluidsAreGasses
https://ficsit.app/mod/PipeTuner

[clever stone]

With all the advancements Ficsyt has made in suprised they haven’t figured out how to make water not act like water

[reef basin]

what devs wanted is perfectly reasonable. The implementation is a bit lacking, but decent

[hard ivy]

Recommend? Idk. I can make my pipes work perfectly, but I heard it does help and generally doesn't hurt (it might break a few systems when you first activate it, but the author claims every single setup fixed itself eventually)

[versed mesa]

Yeah ive hear something about this all fluid acts like gasses

[versed mesa]

Nice

[reef basin]

imo it's better to first learn how to build pipes properly

then you can decide if you want to deal with that in future playthroughs

[clever stone]

Honestly yeah I agree

Learn how to work with pipes before you decide if it’s really worth it the next time you start a playthrough

My plan rn is to just do a solid vanilla playthrough just to play it and then a second one with advanced settings to better learn optimization

[versed mesa]

Dude my pipes seams set up fine but maybe some not right idk ive tried but I ain't given up yet just taking a break lol

[reef basin]

always can make a #1038092680493801533 post with images of your setup

[versed mesa]

Tbh I would not know where to start ive got alot of pipes

[hard ivy]

I have stopped having pipe issues at like 800? 1000? hours in the game. It takes a long time to figure out what doesn't work and why and figure out your standard setups

[versed mesa]

@reef basin I can explain abit if you like

[reef basin]

can also check my "pipe rules"

#satisfactory message

it's not "requirement", but it's "practically guaranteed it will work properly, if followed

edit fixed link

[versed mesa]

Facts

From how I did have it i thought it be best to redo it and do stuff differently

Like ive got 6 water extractors all linked to 1 pipe i took that pipe up to the top then floor before the top where I had built 1 small buffer for the water to help it out and then I took the pipe and needed the machine that needs water going down to the bottom then the blenders needed the water to go somewhere where so I also needed its down wards to machine that are struggling with getting water

So its in-between on how that went then I needed Alumina Solution to get sent to the top to the blenders so on a lower floor I set up 2 big buffer and going upwards I set another buffer on another floor going up several flights to another buffer then I dragged the pipe from that buffer to blenders pipes it was working steady until it was not

Do yous understand me ok ?

Maybe i pipes are done OK maybe its the pumps I need to remove all and restart placing them again

Where you all go ?

[bronze atlas]

its possible a lot of people went to bed, it is getting to be pretty early in the AM in my neck of the woods.

are you using pumps between the buffers on different levels?

[hard ivy]

6 extractors on 1 pipe? 🤔

[unkempt blade]

we need them to hurry up and add mk3 pipes to save the day here

[dense violet]

it does not. Gasses have back flow as well. All it does is make it so you don't need pumps and murders the use of buffers of liquids for trains

[unkempt blade]

Huh TIL I guess. I'm not sure I've ever noticed backflow for nitrogen before but I imagine the segments are mostly filling up as I build anyway

[dense violet]

gasses before 1.0 didn't have uses that created the situations that create flow issues for hte most part. Unless you did weird thigns.

usually needed huge amount of gas pm to a handful of machines on a line. And very short manifolds tend to be fairly stable

RF now though I've seen people with issues

[cursive phoenix]

Guys is 100GW good enough for pre tier 8?

[cunning glade]

I do not enjoy placing hundreds of gens

[cursive phoenix]

Im using 10gw lol

[cursive phoenix]

I overclocked 70 of m witj diluted fuel

[cunning glade]

I'm overclocking 500

[cursive phoenix]

Fuh naw

[cunning glade]

With rocket

Otherwise I'd be placing like 1000 or more

[cursive phoenix]

Ion got sulfur and stuff yet this was temporary anyways

[cursive phoenix]

😫

[cunning glade]

This is too hold me over till nuclear hopefully

[cursive phoenix]

How kuch u got in total?

[cunning glade]

Mw?

[cursive phoenix]

I still need to automate everything except alu

[cursive phoenix]

Ye

[cunning glade]

Haven't done the math cuz I wanna just look at it when it's done and I have a lot of power

[cursive phoenix]

Fire

[cunning glade]

But would be 500x650mw I believe

[cursive phoenix]

Good lord

[cunning glade]

Should be a good amount

[cursive phoenix]

Over 300gw

[cunning glade]

What I thought

Anyways I got one more floor of gens

Then too connect it all

I think 57.6x8 is 500

[cursive phoenix]

Just realized i built my old fuel powerplant completely wrong, guess its time to completely rebuild it and make it litterly 4x as efficient

😫😫😫😫

[cursive phoenix]

Do u have alien power augmenters?

[cunning glade]

One ye

[cursive phoenix]

Make more, i have 2 and im already receiving like +20-30k GW

Huuuuge

So worth

[cunning siren]

After last nights "composing it into a blood song", I may have most of the sloopage 🤔

Only a few left on the radars

SOooo many hogs paid the ultimate price

[hard ivy]

20-30 TW is more than you can get total in vanilla, nevermind just as a boost

[cunning siren]

59,000 DNA per coupon now, ADA would be proud

[outer scarab]

name of the game

[reef basin]

um... do you mean "TW" or "GW"? because "kGW" is nothing

[grim ermine]

20k GW means 20,000GW so its 20-30TW

[frail sleet]

there are easily demonstrable and well documented bugs like phantom energy generation, inappropriate headlift transmission failure, junction connection point heights being wrong (which causes wrong prioritisation and flow of fluids, and can generate infinite headlift)

fixing those issues is however rather problematic, as unless fluids are changed in ways that make them massively easier, removing those bugs will cause pipe systems which are reliant on them (usually unintentionally) to fail. Maybe they accidentally exploited additional headlift that they shouldn't have, and didn't break at build-time because of that. Maybe they're reliant on a junction wrongfully prioritising (or choking) an output. They're not desirable behaviors, we'd be better off without them, but they are breaking changes.

Even something as simple and obviously beneficial as fixing the headlift transmission failure could cause liquids in an already-built factory to flow down path B instead of A and break things because that's not what it did when it was built and tested, even though it's the objectively correct behavior.

[white grotto]

i unlocked personal storage box in tier 1 field research where do i make it?

[frail sleet]

q - organisation

[white grotto]

huh

[tropic furnace]

Press Q

[white grotto]

oh lol

[tropic furnace]

Then go to organization

[white grotto]

mb been a while since i first started

left it after i bought it

[bright lion]

what does a yellow light mean

as my water extractor keeps going yellow

[hollow mason]

the machine isnt being used

probably pumping more water than needed, you can turn it down to be in line with however much water is needed for the machine you are pumping to

[bright lion]

would one extractor be fine to power 3 gen?

[hollow mason]

coal generators?

[bright lion]

ye

as the water wont split off into a seperate pipe line

[hollow mason]

i think it can power 3

what you can do is power 2 that are fully overclocked and then over clock the water collector as well

and itll run 2 overclock coal plants

[bright lion]

so overclock 2 coal gens, and a water extractor

[hollow mason]

yeah

[bright lion]

rq before i do that

let me send a ss in screenshots, as if you can help me make this work it might be easier for me

[hollow mason]

alrighty

[bright lion]

sent it rn

[hollow mason]

i didnt get anything

[bright lion]

#screenshots

it wont go down the pipe thats leading away

[hollow mason]

you dont need that many pumps btw

you only need a pump if water is going more than 10 metres in elevation

[bright lion]

eh i had too much spare copper

and i thought it would fix

[hollow mason]

fair

[bright lion]

but other than that, why wont it flow into the leading away pipe

[hollow mason]

so the water isnt flowing to the coal plant at all?

[bright lion]

lemme send another one rq

ill just do this one in dms

[lethal scroll]

hey yall. I'm about to finally redo all of my sloppy iron production I've got going on right now. Howerver, I would very much, if possible, want to avoid dealing with screws altogether. What are some recipes that I can use to avoid having to use those lil buggers? I got 11 unscanned hard drives rn

and, also just, any good iron related recipes are welcome

in the area im located, I've got 6 pure iron veins to work with

but no coal nearby

[cunning siren]

Stitched Iron Plate is the first one

To avoid screws

[frail sleet]

1:3 works continuously with gens at 88.8888% clock

[lethal scroll]

can do, I have one pure copper vein here as well. currently, I've got it 50/50 on wire and sheets, but I can change it to full on wire

the smeltery is completed, but both the wire and sheet setup is temp anyways

[cunning siren]

Heavy Encased Frame is a Tier 6 "Avoid screws" one too

[lethal scroll]

im currently just getting into tier 5

2/5 T5 milestones complete

I havent set up oil yet

one of the next objectives as well

[ashen belfry]

Or just use the default of 8 coalies and 3 water gennies. But 1 water needs to have its input on the other side. So you avoid the 300m2 limit

[rugged nova]

hey newplayer here im wondering do mergers always take evenly? like if i have a full belt for example that takes 60/min with a merger on the end
and i feed two convayors with 40/min into it will they both have 10/min left over or will one be 20 and the other be 0?

[frail sleet]

yeah stitched iron plate, heavy encased frame, steel rotor

you can use iron pipe and iron wire to cut out coal/copper.

[frail sleet]

they take in an abcabcabcabc pattern

so yes

[rugged nova]

mergers take in abc patern? great!

[frail sleet]

splitters give that way too

[lethal scroll]

can't in this area. I have a plant at a coal vein as well, with one pure iron there for steel, but right now, I wanna rebuild my current area, which has 6x pure iron, 1x pure copper, 2x pure limestone, 2x normal limestone.
Those are the veins im working with over here

[frail sleet]

if you want to preferentially take from one line, you can use multiple mergers and merge the one that you want to take from first. That way it will block the second.

[rugged nova]

so if im making a setup where i need to convert 3 lines of 120/min into 8 outputs of 45/min
i can just plit the 3 into 3 each having 9 total
and then split one of the 9 into two and feed two of the other ones from the 3 pair?

or will it be bottlenecked somewhere

[cunning siren]

That sounds like you robbing the priority mergers job? 😆

[frail sleet]

you can basically do that yes, any bottleneck can be fixed with a splitter before merging

however the dumb and simple answer is just to underclock a bit and split 120 into 3x40

[lethal scroll]

I actually havent ever used prio mergers yet, idk what they're good for tbh

[rugged nova]

like:
a1,b1,c1 - a2,b2,c2 - a3,b3,c3
turn it into
a1,b1 - a1,b2 - a3,b3 - c1 <- c2-> c3

something like that would that work?

[cunning siren]

Turbo Diamonds 🤷, most folk don't ever use them

[amber heath]

can one hypertube be used back and forth?

cool thanks

[lethal scroll]

if you have an entrance on both sides, yeah

you could turn hypertubes into a giant spaghetti of intersections and splits with numerous entrances (and thus exits) if you are so enclined

[rugged nova]

im concerned if i split my 120/min in 3 i will have 3 lines of 40 and it wont be running at max capasity cause itll stall somewhere

[frail sleet]

i can't picture that atm 😄

It can be done, but you're talking about a 3:8 balancer here

[frail sleet]

you can reduce the clock of the machines to 88.8888% and they'll consume 40 instead of 45, continuously

[rugged nova]

not really its not really a balancer

[lethal scroll]

can't believe it's taken me until now, but I'm finally gonna scrap the hub for the first time. you've served me well (see you soon)

[rugged nova]

cause it ends up being , 40x6 and 60x2 im just wondering if it will even out

[lethal scroll]

oh right ill lose the whale stuck on the roof lmao

[frail sleet]

If the belts are interconnected, the ones recieving too much will fill and back up which will redistribute perfectly into the other belts

you can also do like an injection manifold

but underclock is the easy fix

so that you don't have annoying ratios like 3:8

[lethal scroll]

OH THATS WHERE THAT RUBBER WENT

I dropped some rubber at the hub once, and it just... vanished. I thought it bugged out

I just scrapped the hub... turns out, it was ON THE ROOF???

[rugged nova]

here i made a image oh where can post images?

[cunning siren]

#screenshots

[frail sleet]

#math-and-meta

[cunning siren]

OH yea, can talk in meta

[rugged nova]

its in there

[versed mesa]

👋

Just waken up from a sleep

[amber heath]

what do i do with heavy oil residue

[versed mesa]

You can feedt it to tge refinery to produce Coke and send that straight to the sink

[amber heath]

oh really?

[versed mesa]

This is what I learn from here

🔥

[amber heath]

thank you

[versed mesa]

Your welcome

[amber heath]

what are stators used for

[versed mesa]

@amber heath all solids can be sent to the sink

[amber heath]

i know

[unkempt blade]

with very few exceptions (see the wiki for the list)

[amber heath]

yo factory carts

[versed mesa]

@amber heath they are put to gether with other parts to creat more components

[amber heath]

i tried exploring a bit, not as bad as i thought

[versed mesa]

Ok

[amber heath]

are they used for any buildings or anything is what im asking

like anything except other parts

[unkempt blade]

for general factory purposes you're on the right track though

[unkempt blade]

it's a lot more enjoyable as you start to unlock the blade runners and a jet pack and some weapons and stuff like that

[versed mesa]

I am i was told mainly solids and makes sense and DNA

[unkempt blade]

they did a really good job with the map, it has a lot of cool areas

[amber heath]

i mean i have the blade runners, but not jetpacks or really much of a weapon. but you know how i revealed the map on the website yesterday? that was the key

cuz now i dont feel like im running around like a headless chicken

tho factory carts, are stators used for anything except other parts or are they just a part of other parts?

[cunning siren]

The build gun is your "best weapon" in the start vs. creatures 😆

[versed mesa]

Time to look at my pipes and flow again

[unkempt blade]

I think they're just a manufacturing ingredient now, they used to be in a couple buildables I think. Edit: Oh, maybe some research stuff?

[cursive phoenix]

20-30K means 20 - 30 thousand GW
so the K means thousand

[amber heath]

i have the rebar gun actually

[cunning siren]

Most enemies can not "jump" so, a few foundations can frequently create a "zone of Invulnerability"

[amber heath]

yeah true

but i mean i havent really met anything that's too difficult to kill yet

[cunning siren]

In that case, you may explore more, lot's of treasure and unlocks out there to be had

[amber heath]

yeah you're right

i want some nice alternative recipes, but i will go exploring when starting plastic and everything

do you guys think 10 motors per minute is enough?

[unkempt blade]

I would think so at least through the end of phase 3

[amber heath]

okay cool

[cunning siren]

I'm doing ~30 motors for sinking 10 Ballistic Warp Drives /min in this play through, sloopage OP. Been considering starting a new playthrough 🤔

[amber heath]

i mean 10/min to play with, not counting any crafting other parts with them

[unkempt blade]

yeah depending on recipes turbomotors and some phase 4 stuff can use quite a bit but 10/min should be plenty to do elevator stuff and stockpile some extras for building stuff

[cunning siren]

OH yea, 10 is overkill at that stage IMO

[amber heath]

but when about when i get further?

[amber heath]

turbomotors are a seperate recipe tho, right?

[unkempt blade]

they are, but they use regular motors as an ingredient

but that's a phase 4 thing

[amber heath]

yeah but the 10/min is without counting any other part crafts

[cunning siren]

Modular Engines for space parts and later turbo motors and cooling devices, thats far far away though

[amber heath]

thats only like buildings and stuff

[unkempt blade]

ahh yeah that should totally be plenty then

[amber heath]

could i do with less do you think? it would be cutting quite a bit into my power

[unkempt blade]

you'll be using them for buildings in phase 3 but unless you're building really fast 10 is plenty

[cunning siren]

If you are sinking them and low on power... don sink them 🤷

[amber heath]

im not sinking them

i have no motor production

[cunning siren]

Ok, well if you are not using them or sinking them production should not run and therefore will not cut into power at all

[amber heath]

i will be using them

[cunning siren]

Oh? Got plans?

[amber heath]

well i saw refineries cost motors, and also some milestones require motors

[cunning siren]

Wiki is nice cuz it shows you all areas where a part can be used: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Motor

[amber heath]

oh shit

didnt realize, ima check it out

[unkempt blade]

a lot of it is the same info as the ingame codex but the wiki is really great in general

[amber heath]

thing is, i havent unlocked the recipes in the codex

[cunning siren]

Adding pre-planned builds to the to do list is handy to see if you have what you need to get the job done

[amber heath]

so it helps me a lot to know how many i should craft

[cunning siren]

OH right, so use the wiki then

[amber heath]

as far as i can see 10 is really not necessary at all

[lethal scroll]

i feel so sad I had to trap dinky the lizard doggo in a glass cage for now cuz im redoing all of the foundations of my base and I don't want him getting stuck under something somewhere

it's for your own good lil buddy ;_;

[amber heath]

when do i unlock explosives

[lethal scroll]

research sulfur

[amber heath]

oh

makes sense

[plain marten]

how do i auto connect something properly? it only works if i put the blueprint super close

[mortal ginkgo]

extra note: you need steel pipes to actually automate explosives, phase 2

[merry ridge]

if anyone knows how trains and signals work and have a min i got a question posted in the questions chat that i would appreciate help on

[amber heath]

i have steel pipes

[mortal ginkgo]

very smex, go for it

yolo explosives

[plain marten]

how does auto connect work

[white dawn]

Make sure you're in BP Autoconnect build mode (cycle using R), click once to start placing (will add the autoconnections to your placement hologram), then click once more to place once you're okay with positioning

[vernal quiver]

does this have a trello, or perhaps any source of what is planned in future updates?

[white dawn]

Note that the blueprints need "stubs" to autoconnect -- it won't connect a splitter to a splitter. Needs to have a bit of belt (or pipe) existing to autoconnect to

[white dawn]

Nope; they're generally pretty quiet about what's coming up next, until they've got an update coming up that they announce. Whatever info we have will be in #announcements

[vernal quiver]

thanks

[white dawn]

At the moment the only thing we know is that they do plan on a v1.2, and that there's the console release coming up in November

[vernal quiver]

gotta be huge tbf

[merry ridge]

we need a brick materal

would pay many many tickets for bricks

[mortal ginkgo]

everyone got their important demands and here I am asking for more alien-like buildings with snow biome

like lets be ultra fair here, like major fair. There isn't an actual Alien Tech aside from DD and PowerSlooper

nothing screams "ok Ficsit is truly corrupted with alien technology"

[south sinew]

I wanted coated concrete walls

[plain marten]

but how do i keep it connected

i keep hovering it around and sometimes it creates a connection but it just disappears the moment i try to do it further away or from a different spot

[mortal ginkgo]

when you see the "link" icon, press once. it will be connected then

[hard ivy]

When you click for the first time, the blueprint won't place, it'll initiate the connections. When you click again without any new connections available, then the blueprint will be placed with all the connections you initiated before

[pale dew]

Yesterday, when i was trying to sleep

i already taught about satisfactory.

38h in btw

[amber heath]

how do i fix my dismantle mode mode being on blueprint?

[pale dew]

mabe click r?

[amber heath]

oh im stupid

[pale dew]

lol

[amber heath]

who would've thought it was the button that always changes the modes on tools

[pale dew]

This game is like school

at a certain point you need help with the dumbes shit

[amber heath]

nah fr tho

[pale dew]

i be checking on a calculator if 300/3 is 100

[amber heath]

nah i get u tbh

[pale dew]

its kinda so cool that you can make plastic and rubber from fuel and fuel from plastic and rubber

btw whats the consumption rate of the sink?

[hard ivy]

Meanwhile, I once balanced 4x240 into 4x240 XD

It was completely pointless

[hard ivy]

However fast the belt you connected to it is

[pale dew]

yo thats banger

i need to connect like 22 rafineries to ir

[rugged nova]

hi can someone help me with some explanations i put a images in https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/558721941410807812 explaining the situation

[grim ermine]

#screenshots message
@low valve do you know how much crude Oil you used for this project?

[dense violet]

the image of what it is and what you're tryign to do exaclty isn't very clear

[grim ermine]

Thats what I thought...

[pale dew]

could some one tell me if fuel gens will use fuel if not conneected to any line?

[grim ermine]

No they wont

[pale dew]

ty

[grim ermine]

As long as they aren't connected to a power pole they wont

[pale dew]

ok

i need to prefill pipes

[grim ermine]

You could just put the fuel gens on standby

[pale dew]

man i do not want to turn em off and on

theres 20 of em now

there will be 40

total'

[grim ermine]

Yeah fair enough

[dense violet]

just down clock a few generators on the line. It'll fil up pretty fast

[grim ermine]

That works also

[pale dew]

no cuz idk have to change em 80 times

[grim ermine]

You dont have to underclock all of them

Even if you only did like 10 itd fill up pretty fast

[crisp barn]

how does my every factory end up a power plant 😭

[amber heath]

thats a great question

[crisp barn]

gonna be making 1384.62 turbofuel/m

[dense violet]

that doesn't sound like the sort of thing that could be an accident

[crisp barn]

from supercomputer byproduct

[crisp barn]

well, I need plastic/rubber, and they produce byproduct

and wasting so much oil residue is a crime

[rugged nova]

okay i have updated the picture to a satisfactory images inside the same channel

[dense violet]

oil residue -> diluted fuel

[crisp barn]

->turbofuel -> 369,232 MJ

considering I currently produce about 13kMJ that is a pretty big jump xD

unless I calculated it wrong

[dense violet]

yeah that's why you go
oil > oil residue > diluted fuel > turbo

[crisp barn]

yeah, thats the plan

[unkempt blade]

... > become disenchanted with industrialism > long for a simpler time > tear it all down and return to biomass burners

[dense violet]

nah turn pigs into uranium rods

[unkempt blade]

truly a return to the agricultural idyll

[lone marten]

No that's modded minecraft

[dense violet]

no you can do that in this game

[jade frigate]

Hello, guys, does pumps works with something like ||rocket fuel||?

[limpid cairn]

pumps dont work on gasses

[lone marten]

Ah right i forgot

[dense violet]

pump can keep directionality with certain flow issues? but gas doesn't need headlif

[jade frigate]

So It's just pointless to use it on pipes with rocket fuel inside? This will not push it at all, even a little bit?

[limpid cairn]

yup

[jade frigate]

ok ty

[unkempt blade]

it's just for coolness points kind of like a flame decal on car

just slap the pump on there and don't even power it and you're immediately more cool

[versed mesa]

Yeah i cant seam to figure it out why my pipes are not doing there job properly

[dense violet]

Like I said, sometimes pumps can help keep directionality on fluids. Like gas or liquids. But it's a niche use

[cosmic pawn]

how can i make my hypertubes go super fast?

[white grotto]

do mergers or splitters have filters?

[dense violet]

smart splitters do

[dense violet]

find a tutorial about cannons

[white grotto]

what tier do i unlock that?

[dense violet]

you can do it in tier 1 I think.
the MAM

[white grotto]

oh ok

mam crafts stuff?

[cosmic pawn]

just find and research some caterium

[white grotto]

alright

thanks

[dense violet]

the mam has research. It's probably the jmost important building you have

[jade frigate]

i dmed you

[unkempt blade]

I do inline boosters like these in my road blueprints #screenshots message

[cosmic pawn]

every time i look at my factory i always think to make it less spaghetti and more clean but idk how i would if i want to automate everything

[pale dew]

dont use em

just make cannon

uses much less hypertubes and can launch you very far away

[unkempt blade]

but I just want to afk and wind up on the other side of the map 🙁

[cosmic pawn]

ikd how to make a cannon

[dense violet]

youtube tutorial

[unkempt blade]

a bunch of boosters like from my screenshots but they shoot you into the air instead of down a cross-map tube 😄

[cosmic pawn]

i don't got the boosters

[unkempt blade]

you make them from entrances

[pale dew]

hypertube entrances

but id recommend having atleas a glider

[cosmic pawn]

ah

[pale dew]

mam shroom research tree

[unkempt blade]

this is why you can't afk/cannons are inferior to tube networks 😄

[pale dew]

you can?

just land in the water lol

i think gel landing spots also work

[peak wasp]

turbo fuel is useless only make the bare min so you can always have a bit then go for rocket fuel.

[pale dew]

just hit a wallthat will centre you on a gell pad next to a cannon

[unkempt blade]

"useless" is pretty dramatic

[peak wasp]

I mean what is it used for outside power that you can use it's resources to make rocket fuel for far more power instead

[pale dew]

https://imgur.com/a/LR8DNlq this lil thing launches me this distance (with alot of momentum left, but you can steer midair to stop or go further)

like 8s and im from point a to b

it might be a bit overkill tho

but igaf since i got 11k MW energy on the line

idgaf*

[cosmic pawn]

how do you put entrances that close without that flipping direction

[pale dew]

?

[unkempt blade]

You mean rocket fuel that you have to wait until phase 4 to use unlike turbo fuel?

I'm just glad we identified the use for turbo fuel, I was worried there for a minute

[cosmic pawn]

like if i put another entrance next to another

the entrance side flips

[dense violet]

Rocket fuel is for cowards who can't do simple nuclear and thus useless

[pale dew]

You put them on supports that arent connected to anything

[dense violet]

except for a bit of iodized fuel

[pale dew]

ill send an imgur explaining it

[peak wasp]

Yeah well my PC usually breaks before I can get my world deep enough to do nuclear.

[dense violet]

takes less space and objects than rocketful

[peak wasp]

My last world I built about 100 power plants or more for RF

whatever the amount was needed for 150k watts

[unkempt blade]

kilomegawatts?

[mortal ginkgo]

10k MWs

way to trigger some folks

"ATCHUUULLYYYEHH ITS 10GW 🤓 "

[unkempt blade]

sorry I can't resist how fun using the multiple metric prefixes is

[mortal ginkgo]

I love how some people are fixated on such things. I wish I had such troubles to worry about.

[pale dew]

@cosmic pawn https://imgur.com/a/qqP1dgh

short guide, if you got any questions just @ me

also, if you want to know how many entrances you need for a said distance you just need to figure it out with trial and error

[cosmic pawn]

i tried but only the one connected to the tube turns on

[dense violet]

you need to power them all

[cosmic pawn]

ik i did

plus i can't get the at a even level

[pale dew]

do it on a foundation

[pale dew]

all have to be the same side either way they will block

[rough jackal]

my coal powered generator not self sustaining ?

[unkempt blade]

why not?

[rough jackal]

I have it hooked up to a miner and a water extractor

[rough jackal]

I have no idea

it says no power on the coal powered generator

even though I have a biomass burner connected to it

not enough water is getting to it

[dense violet]

show some overhead images in #math-and-meta

[worn frost]

i unlocked the expanded toolbelt in the sulfur tree in the mam but it didnt actually give me the additional slot. is this a new thing? never happened before on other runs ive done

[rough jackal]

okay

[cosmic pawn]

still wont work. man i am such a moron

[rugged nova]

is there a way to make a 4 conv lift longer after its already been placed ?
or do i always have to rebuild/replace the whole thing

[cosmic pawn]

man this game hurts my brain

ya i give up on making this work

it's too confusing

[dense violet]

find a tutorial on youtube

[cosmic pawn]

i feel stuck rn in terms of progression

my main factory is a mess and is so unoptimized

[dense violet]

just make new factories for new items elsewhere

[worn frost]

has this happened to anyone else?

[cosmic pawn]

like i posted what mine looks like rn in #screenshots

it's so ugly and takes so long to make anything

[dense violet]

yeah ive seen some posts in #1038092680493801533 about similar

[dense violet]

yup, make a new factory that makes the next things you need.
in another spot 🙂

[cosmic pawn]

but i'll have to find a spot with the ore nodes i need

[cursive phoenix]

I hate past me, i forgot to add block signs to my whole train track around the whole map😫😫

[cosmic pawn]

which there isn't many of stuff like coal on this map

[mortal ginkgo]

embrace past self, use a 69+ wagon train that handles everything 🙂‍↕️

[dense violet]

there's coal everywhere

[heavy juniper]

What happens when a train drops off items, but the freight platform still has items in it

[dense violet]

and so many resource nodes

[dense violet]

it'll only dorp off what it can

[cursive phoenix]

Its gonna be SO slow

[mortal ginkgo]

put more heads

[cosmic pawn]

well i haven't explored much of the map

[dense violet]

so sgo out and explore.
get hard drives. Alien stuff

[cursive phoenix]

It gets to a point

[cosmic pawn]

i want to make the big efficient mega factories but idk how

[heavy juniper]

So lets say the platform has 2 free rows of items and the train itself is carrying 3. It will then leave with still 1 row in it

[cosmic pawn]

i only know how to make spaghetti

[dense violet]

you go throug hthe tiers first, learn as you go

of course you won't be able to do fancy things right at the start

[dense violet]

yup

[cosmic pawn]

getting the 1k things for phase 2 is taking so long

[dense violet]

so many another factory that makes the items >.>
it doesn't soundl ike youre enjoying yourself. You sure this is the game for you?

[cosmic pawn]

i like it when thinks work right

but i am struggling on making things work

im very dumb

[peak wasp]

if i have 3 T2 pipes, each connected to the other: A <-> B <-> C, and each is connected to a series of buffers.

As long as each pipe transports 600, they don’t interfere with each other, right?
What happens if one transports less? Does it balance out?

This reasoning can also be applied to the output:
3 buffers A, B, C, connected to 3 pipes linked together, and then each outputs a single pipe.

Thanks.

[cosmic pawn]

like making one rotor takes like 2-3 minutes

or like 1-2 rotors

[cosmic pawn]

i am enjoying the game but hate when i see other people make super cool sutff when i make nothing but unoptimized messes

too late to stop now

[reef basin]

practically the first rule of pipes is "make them as simple as possible"

don't connect multiple systems/pipes together (and don't use buffers)

[cosmic pawn]

i just hope in the future i get more powerful refinerys and contructors

[reef basin]

build more machines then 🙂

[reef basin]

no, you scale by building more (and/or by overclocking machines)

[cosmic pawn]

i can't find slugs

and the ones i do are often near strong enemies

[reef basin]

you have the object scanner

[cosmic pawn]

since i took out the few frameworks that were in the container i made for them

i only got like 450 after like 30 minutes

[mortal ginkgo]

What I did was restarting the game and purely focusing on looks.

You can see my phase 1 factory example here: #design-and-architecture message

They are still out in the open, very few signs but on asphalt + concrete. That was my calling.

[peak wasp]

but but ç___ç

[mortal ginkgo]

Instead of rushing for better, I took extreme amount of time to do things.

[cosmic pawn]

idk how you even made that plus i don't even half all of the foundation pieces yet from the awesome shop

plus i not a structural designer. i am just someone who throws things down where i can fit them

[zenith fractal]

everything takes time

[cosmic pawn]

i should just take this whole factory down and move it

[peak wasp]

ahah nothing, i prefer have buffer if i calculate wrong the output rateo of heavy oil production ,because heavy oil is used for gemnerate all my fuel XD

for the union the pipe oky

[cosmic pawn]

since i picked the worst spot i could

[reef basin]

keep it, build new

[zenith fractal]

that's a very common thing to say

[reef basin]

buffer doesn't help if you calculated wrongly

[zenith fractal]

but keep it for now to use it to build the other one

[reef basin]

eh, if you have the resources nearby that the factory needs, it's as good as any other

[cosmic pawn]

i want to change it so badly

it's ugly and takes so long to make anything

[mortal ginkgo]

its really just fancier "machines out in the open and having a logistic floor under". Only 1 or 2 things were needed from the shop, signs, roof, concrete and aspalth.

I am not a designer either. I just yoloed and see if I liked it or not.

Designing takes REALLY long time unfortunately. But once you get things going, you really make it through and have pretty stuff around. 😄

[white grotto]

do satisfactory death crates depsawn?

[peak wasp]

give me time to repair the problem

[cosmic pawn]

half of my ore conveyors come from like 500+ meters away since i picked this spot

[reef basin]

you have infinite time to repair the problem, nothing in the game is time sensitive

[peak wasp]

without buffer i have not HO stop istant of production of fuel
With buffer i have N minutes after the stock is over

and is more beatiful to watch XD

[reef basin]

priority power switches are much better, easier, and more recommended solution for your issue

[cosmic pawn]

i feel bad every time i look at others stuff compared to mine

will i got to tear this whole thing down anyway again

[reef basin]

tearing down is usually waste of time - if you keep it, it will still produce, even a bad factory is better than no factory

[cosmic pawn]

it's not even efficient

[reef basin]

still better than no factory

[cosmic pawn]

i want it to be better but idk how

[reef basin]

(also "efficient" is kinda moot word, what do you even mean by that?)

[reef basin]

well, definitely not by dismantling it 😄

[cosmic pawn]

i need like 240 more frameworks which 1 takes like 4 mins to make due to lacking steel beams

[reef basin]

ah, you may be doing the (pretty common) approach of "I need X, so I'm gonna steal X from existing production line"

I'd recommend this as a read - https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[cosmic pawn]

so many conveyors are always full because of how slow my base is

[peak wasp]

understand, thanks

[cosmic pawn]

like i am making motors and have over 100 stators but because motors and taking so long everything is standby

[mortal ginkgo]

I think your biggest issue might be the amount of impure nodes in that area.

in Rocky Desert you got either pure or normal nodes so you can do tons of stuff with each

[cosmic pawn]

i could go to the desert but i hate the spiders

they weird me out

like the looming threat of a massive one spawning

is the desert the best spot to make a base?

[mortal ginkgo]

I never tried the dune desert. Rocky Desert got smol spidies but not near where you spawn and make base

[foggy anchor]

The resource points are too scattered

[cosmic pawn]

Then idk where would be the best spot

Anything that is flat and has good amount of resources

Since my biggest pain was space

[mortal ginkgo]

You might want to work on verticality, it can save you tons of trouble.

[reef basin]

you don't need (and shouldn't) to build everything in a single place

[fallen ravine]

Hello o/ Got the game 2 days ago and just joined the server, nice to mee you all! I was wondering if anyone could help me clear out some questions I have 🙂

[fiery garden]

yes

[reef basin]

ask specific questions, preferably in #1038092680493801533 with screenshots

[fallen ravine]

Oh gotcha, thanks!

[mortal ginkgo]

zomg a pasta

[fiery garden]

yes

[mortal ginkgo]

why you need so much copper bro

[fiery garden]

copper is heavy

[cosmic pawn]

thats kinda of what i've been doing

[fiery garden]

once you learn that this game isnt really about building but actually logistics, things start to make more sense

[cosmic pawn]

im quite stupid

[fiery garden]

i dont think that has anything t do with it

[cosmic pawn]

like i sometimes can't figure out simple and obvious things

[fiery garden]

this is not one of those things

[stray briar]

if a freight/liquid platform isn't aligned with an empty freight car, will the train automatically align to the platform or will it not want to fill?

[cosmic pawn]

what is the most updated interactive map i can find?

[fiery garden]

no, the leading locomotive will stop at the station (the part with the sign showing the name of the station) and the cars will use whatever platform they are on at that time

[stray briar]

so if the platform isn't aligned the train won't load the stuff??

[fiery garden]

right

if it's the wrong kind of car at the platform, nothing happens for that car/platform

[fiery garden]

i've always used this one: https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

it's pretty much always up to date

[cosmic pawn]

the desert has a lot more nearby stuff than my current spot. also how dangerous is the dune desert?

[zenith pecan]

Not that dangerous, I typically start there.

[cosmic pawn]

wb the rock desert

besides that river being full of spiders

[silver mountain]

dont go to the river

[cosmic pawn]

i did once

[shy zenith]

is all caterium locked by sulfur?

[silver mountain]

everything except the jumping spiders you can just walk away from, let alone slide cancel

[silver mountain]

no, just go get caterium and put it in the mam

[shy zenith]

the two nodes by me have a big rock on it

[silver mountain]

i see, you can still mine it manually, or find another node that does not have rock on it

[shy zenith]

how much would I have to mine to get like 10 smart splitters

[reef basin]

tbh rather automate the materials so you can have infinite

[silver mountain]

too much for it to be worth not exploring to find another node

[shy zenith]

okay thanks !

[cursive phoenix]

If i have 2400 copper per min how much freight cars do i need if it takes about 10:30 min

[unkempt blade]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Train_throughput would help you do the math 🙂

[shy zenith]

25200 copper per 10 minutes 30 seconds/ freight car capacity?

[hard ivy]

at least 8

[shy zenith]

wait what does priority merger do?

[foggy anchor]

is anyone need a teammate?

[white dawn]

#1201555265942724758

[reef basin]

one per belt

[reef basin]

nothing really useful

[white linden]

Quick question, I assume we dont have diagonal 4M half foundations?

#screenshots message

[white dawn]

They're useful with some niche build cases; they're quite new to the game, and most of the time when people want to use them, there's other ways of building your systems such that you don't need them (since, y'know, they weren't added until v1.1)

[cursive phoenix]

So 780 per ?

[white dawn]

They'd be useful for people trying to implement Factorio-style "bus" systems, though we tend to recommend that folks not do that anyway, since they're not nearly as useful here as they are there

[zenith pecan]

You forgot mk6 belts.

[cursive phoenix]

I dont have those

[white dawn]

I assume you could use priority mergers in injected manifolds, instead of Smart Splitters, so that'd be an alternate use for 'em

[reef basin]

my rule of thumb is:

• each belt goes to one platform
• use one train
• if one train is not enough, use another train
• repeat until the trains are enough (usually 1-2 are enough)

[white dawn]

But in general, if you do want to build a system which relies on the contents of one belt being consumed before the contents of another belt, you could use a Priority Merger to do it

(As I say, historically we've just recommended that folks avoid doing that altogether, since the PM didn't exist for the vast majority of the game's existence. But they do exist now, so have at it, I suppose. :)

[unkempt blade]

adding more trains is always a good idea because they're delightful

[zenith pecan]

I only really had one instance where the PM would have been useful in the past, my work around was quite ugly.

[spare ice]

Hey guys, what would you say are some game changing recipes? I cleared tier 2 and on tier 3 now. Because I think I'm going at it wrong lol. I keep praying for the harder recipes. Line heavy modular etc etc. Should I be going at the easier recipes that make it easier?

[languid anvil]

i finally completed phase 2

trains are the FIRST thing im going for aint no way

[unkempt blade]

I've really only used them to add an ISC "buffer" to the depot for items I produce in quantities lower than max upload speed

[reef basin]

there's really not any specific gamechanging recipe. All recipes can change a lot depending on how you look at them and how you use them

[languid anvil]

unfortunately all my factories are gonna be useless since incorporating the trains will be hell, but at least trains now exist

[white dawn]

Keep in mind that the pool of alt recipes that you have available depends on what you've currently unlocked

If you can't make Heavy Modular Frames in the first place, you won't get any alts for Heavy Modular Frames

[cursive phoenix]

Is there any way to give a belt a specific amount of resources?

[reef basin]

connect it to a machine that makes that much

[zenith pecan]

I just use smart w/overflow> buffer > depot.

[silver mountain]

is it viable to have a plant that just makes aluminum ingots and then just send those ingots to a palce that needs casings or plates?

[cursive phoenix]

If i have an mk2 overclocked miner i mean how do i give one belt for example 360 and the other one 240?

[reef basin]

why do you need that?

[unkempt blade]

If you've got stuff automated for whatever your next goal is go binge some exploration and unlock a bunch of drives as you run around

[white dawn]

My recommendation with alts is to invest enough time into exploration that you "keep up" with your unlocks/research. So more or less be scanning enough hard drives that by the time you're unlocking more stuff, you've "run out" of recipes to scan for

[reef basin]

usually people do that for aluminum, but for most other things I wouldn't recommend it (and you can do it other way for aluminum as well)

[cursive phoenix]

Im just asking if you could

[white dawn]

And then you also get the exploration benefits of sloops, spheres, and DNA. :) (Plus having scoped out fun new areas to build factories in!)

[fallen ravine]

Finding out I can tap space to craft instead of resting my phone on it has been game changer xD

[reef basin]

you could, but depending on the situation the answer would be different

[reef basin]

wait until you find out you can automate crafting of things and shouldn't use the craft bench at all

[fallen ravine]

Can't wait to get to that point xD I have a ffew things automated but don't want to make a setup to craft 50 modular frames :p

[reef basin]

that point is available practically at the start of the game

and I'd heavily recommend to automate everything as soon as you need it

[unkempt blade]

for the most part I'd just enforce that kind of split with whatever is consuming the resources for each branch of the conveyor (build a certain number of whatever it is, underclock or overclock as needed to tune it in)

[fallen ravine]

Makes sense, I made 50 for the steel milestone but maybe I'll need them more now.

[spare ice]

Alright I see 🙂 thank you

[unkempt blade]

yeah but what about biocoal?

[spare ice]

Holy shiat that would take some time..

[white dawn]

Expanding on what's already been said, btw: in general you just rely on "manifold logic." You just hook everything that needs it up to the miner, and before too long it'll just automatically sort itself out. The stuff that needs 360/min will be using 360/min, and the stuff that needs 240/min will be using 240/min (assuming that the miner's correctly providing 600/min total)

[white dawn]

Yeah, it's a not-insignificant effort, but IMO it's well worth it

Especially on account of spheres+sloops

[unkempt blade]

but unless you fall for the "I'll just restart and everything will be better this time" trap you only have to do the exploration stuff once 😆

[white dawn]

And much as I enjoy factory building, it's nice to take a periodic break. :)

[real wolf]

what the mod called where it makes ur map looks like satisfactory calculator?

[hard ivy]

cartograph

[real wolf]

ty

[lethal scroll]

hmmm, I just got iron pipe from a hard drive. Should I take it? sure, it might not be the most efficient, but it might be really useful to be able to get pipes where coal isn't available.

20 iron ingots to 5 pipes

[white dawn]

Don't stress about what recipes to take and which ones not to take -- there are more drives on the map than you can use (and you can even eventually just buy drives from the AWESOME shop, if you want to skip out on exploration)

If you're undecided, just flip a coin and then go find another drive, is my advice. :)

[lethal scroll]

the area I'm redesigning now for example has 6 pure iron veins, but no coal anywhere close

I still have like 10 drives

[white dawn]

(Iron PIpe is a pretty popular recipe. As you already mentioned, it's rather iron-inefficient, but you've also got iron coming out of your ears generally, so that's often not a factor for folks)

[lethal scroll]

so ig ill take it

[hard ivy]

allows you to entirely skip steel in the majority of cases

[lethal scroll]

yup, I figured, I took it

I've got 8 researched drives, 2 unresearched, and one being researched rn

im just checking them all first if they got anything good first try before I try rerolling em

are recycled rubber and recycled plastic any good? I have both available from different drives

[hard ivy]

they're essential for the max efficiency chain

[lethal scroll]

could you use those two to just infinitely feed rubber and plastic into each other at the cost of fuel?

[reef basin]

they are part of most oil-efficient way to make plubber. "Good" depends on what your priorities are

[lethal scroll]

got it, taking both then, thanks! the other recipes for both are plastic smart plating and diluted packaged fuel

or is the latter good?

[reef basin]

again, "good" depends on your priorites

all recipes are useful in some scenarios

[zenith fractal]

speaking of Oil efficiency, you fellows reminded me I still have to tear down my old plubber factory and rebuild it.

[lethal scroll]

eh ill just take the recycled ones

[hard ivy]

diluted packaged fuel is also one of the most efficient oil recipes. but it's absolutely not worth taking if you're near/at/past tier 7. it's only good in early tier 5/6

[reef basin]

(and the diluted fuel recipe you were asking about, it's part of most oil-efficient chain to make fuel)

[lethal scroll]

ah well, cant take both, same drive

[reef basin]

you're not losing the other ones anyway, you can get them later

[lethal scroll]

oh I know, but I'd have to reroll for em

[hard ivy]

be on the watchout for Heavy Oil Residue too

[lethal scroll]

is there anything where I'd need tons of silica or quartz crystals for later? I got alt recipes for both

pure quartz crystal and cheap silica

[granite ether]

i need a guide to liquids

[lethal scroll]

feels like it's overcomplicating things

[hard ivy]

depends what recipes for more complex items you use. some can use quite a bit of quartz

[lethal scroll]

when these last 2 drives finish scanning ill post my current hard drive library in screenshots, would you mind letting me know then if there's any must haves in there?

will be done in 20 minutes

[reef basin]

there are no "must haves"

[hard ivy]

eh, depending on your playstyle, basically any recipe can be a must-have

[lethal scroll]

right now, im in tier 5 going on 6, so anything that provides useful alternatives to basic production is a great addition

I also like to keep materials relatively local, as in, I don't like making gigantic belt highways across the map

that's why I went for iron pipe, cuz it allows me to get acces to pipes in areas without coal

[reef basin]

well "useful" again depends on your preferences (which may even change from location to location)

basically what we're saying is "look at the recipes yourself and decide if they are worth for you and your cases. You can get all recipes anyway, so you can't "make a mistake" by picking something you'll eventually figure out doesn't suit your playstyle

[lethal scroll]

well, yes, but just like yall let me know earlier that the recycled rubber n plastic are part of the ideal oil chain or wev, just any pointers like that

I don't want you to tell me what to take, just any recommendations n such

[native patrol]

Anyone know why my water pumps aren’t running at max capacity constantly? They keep rising then turning off

[hard ivy]

probably because you're not removing all the water fast enough

[lethal scroll]

could be a number of things. not enough water pressure to get the water out of there, no more space in the system, ...

[reef basin]

well "ideal" is only when you care about oil efficiency. Not ideal when you care about e.g. complexity

[reef basin]

honestly, play your game, not game of someone else

[lethal scroll]

I mean, I'm just asking lol, if you don't wanna give any recommendations thats fine

[native patrol]

Could be

[reef basin]

my problem isn't you asking, my problem is that I don't have enough information to give you useful information

[lethal scroll]

fair enough, what kinda info would you be looking for?

[native patrol]

My first one was screws for ingots which is a lot better than bars I’d go for stuff like that

[zenith fractal]

mostly location, energy supply, things of that nature I imagine

[reef basin]

eh, tons of it, not practical to tell me all of that. Preferences, valuation of different resources, local available resources, production goal, other recipes available, etc etc.

another problem is that different recipes have different effects in different conditions

if you're stuck at picking recipes, just flipping a coin and getting another drive is faster than trying to decide using external opinions 😄

[lethal scroll]

I prefer to make localised, compact factories, and I don't really want to be using trucks and tractors if at all possible. I don't have trains yet, but am planning on making a grand train network once I get sufficient recourses. I currently move around between plants using hypertubes and ziplines.
Locations I have acces to rn:
Main spot: 6x pure iron, 1x pure copper, 2x pure limestone, 2x normal limestone
Coal power plant: 8 coal reactors (overclocked), 1x pure iron, 1x pure limestone, 1x normal caterium
Small quartz site: 2x impure quartz nodes, one of them provides all my silica and quartz crystals atm
Remote copper site: one small copper factory in the middle of nowhere which only purpose is to feed cables and copper wires into my depots at all times

Right now, I'm in the process of redesigning and automating the main spot, and in the process of setting up my first oil plant (2x normal + 1x pure oil). I found another oil patch somewhere else I've got connected via hypertube, and will probably use that entire area to set up a gicantic fuel generator plant.

Goals right now are to unlock everything in tier 5 and 6, then automate most of the basic resources I havent automated yet (from rotors, stators, motors, frames, etc

I also have 2 SAM ore sites, but all they do rn is feed refined SAM into my depots and the awesome sink

[reef basin]

yeah well "preferences" for recipes usually include things like complexity, saving of specific resource, saving of multiple resources (and their "weights"), power or space efficiency, etc etc. Those usually go to choosing a specific recipe for specific production line

(and usually the choosing is done with help of some sort of calculator or something, so that you don't have to compare by hand)

[lethal scroll]

I don't need to have one factory that produces one finished product at full, maxium efficiency. I mostly focus atm on getting EVERYTHING possible out of every resource node, and then using those resources for whatever I have need of at the time

I will overclock every miner I can

oooh, reminds me, I did just finally unlock M4 belts, so I can finish setting up these iron smelteries

cuz every smeltery I build with 480 ore per minute in mind

[reef basin]

I'd recommend choosing a final product and then looking how much it needs, rather than limiting yourself artificially by local nodes

[lethal scroll]

also not opposed to crafting some items manually in the short term if it helps me focus on long term goals somewhere else

[white dawn]

You can certainly do that if you want, of course. But keep in mind that the map is huge, and there are a lot more resources on the map than most people realize. You really have to try hard to exhaust resources on the map; you basically won't ever do so "by accident." My recommendation is to not worry about getting every last little bit of resource out of a node -- just find new nodes and build near them when you need to. :)

[low valve]

1500/minute, making 1000 rubber and 2000 fuel

[lethal scroll]

oh, I know, but at least for base resource nodes, I want them being emptied out at max capacity

I have 6 pure iron nodes here. the goal is to get 480 iron ore coming from each and every one of them. What will I do with all that iron? No clue yet. But ill find something for em hehe

I'll probably group em in pairs of two, then set each pair to produce one resource such as rotors for example

not sure yet though

got my copper smeltery operating at 480 ore inputs rn

also, idk if this is useful info, but I like to make my factories actually look like buildings/compounds/factories. I'm not a big fan of gigantic floating foundation sheet in the sky

[native patrol]

is there a way to dump water or not cause my water extractors to fill to max?

[reef basin]

well, clock it down so that it only makes the amount you need

[native patrol]

im dumb

[white dawn]

Note that there's nothing inherently wrong with letting the extractor fill up and go idle for a bit

[native patrol]

also why are some of my extractors not working at all

[white dawn]

Doing so does make your power consumption line go up and down as it swaps between idle/running, and you could also save some power by underclocking instead, but you could just leave it as is and it'd be fine

[lethal scroll]

there we go, library posted to screenshots. any notable ones?

also I do not like screws lol so anything that will get me to skip screws is a plus

[native patrol]

theres one that makes screws craftable with 5 ingots instead of rods

[unkempt blade]

if we're don't keep it running faster than 50 units a minute the entire bus extractor will literally explode and kill all the passengers pioneers

[white dawn]

Honestly just flip some coins. IMO there's little reason to keep hard drives unchosen in your library unless you're very specifically waiting for one recipe in particular

There are more drives than you can use in the game, and you can even buy them from the AWESOME shop eventually if you don't want to explore

You'll get all recipes eventually if you keep at it, and if you just redeem recipes, then you'll have opportunities to use them as you build factories

[lethal scroll]

im planning on rerolling them until I get ones I like. I'm a bit of a perfectionist so I wanna get some recipes I can really use atm

[white dawn]

If you leave them tucked away in your library, you'll never have a chance to find out the situations in which they're useful

[white dawn]

I mean, if you already know what you want, then you shouldn't need our advice about which ones to redeem, yes?

[lethal scroll]

ESPECIALLY recipes that will change basic resources, as I do NOT want to scrap factories in the lategame

[white dawn]

All alt recipes are at least situationally useful

You might use every single alt recipes for a resource across a playthrough, depending on circumstance of your factories, etc

[reef basin]

you don't need to scrap things just because you got a different recipe though

[hard ivy]

out of all of these I'd only really want fused quickwire, iron wire, cheap silica and pure quartz

[unkempt blade]

don't scrap then, build another one somewhere else when you need more of that item 😄

[lethal scroll]

I want to get good alt recipes for basic resources ASAP so I can build with them in mind

stuff like steamed copper sheet

is one I have

[white dawn]

Yeah, just don't scrap factories is the solution to that problem. You can use your new alt recipes on the next factories you build

[native patrol]

just posted my water extractor in screenshots anyone know why the water isnt being used/water not being pumped

[reef basin]

what you call "good", someone else can call "bad"

f.e. steamed sheets are extra complexity and refineries, some people don't like that and prefer simpler solutions

[lethal scroll]

it was full, so it stopped

[unkempt blade]

it's either not connected to a pipe or the pipe it's connected to is full

[lethal scroll]

I mean, copper sheets go well with pure copper ingot, no? so it makes sense to make a copper plant next to water somewhere to produce copper sheets

I don't have copper sheets automated yet so I reckon it's a good idea?

idk tho

[white dawn]

Pure Copper Ingot is a rather divisive recipe; a lot of folks hate it due to refinery spam

But, again: all recipes are useful in certain circumstances

And just because you use a recipe in one factory doesn't mean you'll use it in the next

My advice remains to just flip a coin and then go back to hard drive hunting

The more options you have while building your factories, the more nimble your factory-building can be!

[unkempt blade]

I like all the pure [whatever] recipes but they're mostly worth using when you've already scaled up power a good amount

[reef basin]

again, some people consider adding water and refineries for more output as a bad thing and would rather make simpler setups that need just copper ore

[lethal scroll]

when im out exploring my main targets are mercer spheres and somerloops, although ill grab any hard drives in the area

[white dawn]

Sure, exploration is useful for many reasons, spheres+sloops included. :)

[lethal scroll]

it's fine for me, because it JUST ads water. I don't like the recipes that will ad some complex material into the mix for example

[white dawn]

So, again: you seem to already know what you want. :) So no reason to ask us what recipe you should pick, eh? :)

Go with your gut, then find more drives

[pale dew]

3I KEEP WALKING INTO HYPER TUBE CANNONSSSS

[limpid cairn]

Bolted iron frame

[unkempt blade]

it adds power is another way to think about it and that power has to come from somewhere (coal, fuel, etc) so you can sort of say you're adding that item indirectly

[zenith fractal]

how many do you have? to just walk into one

[pale dew]

3

[lethal scroll]

well, true, in some way. There are recipes I'm sure I want, and recipes I'm sure I don't want. I just need help with the ones that I'm not sure on. Take insulated cable for example. rubber and copper wire. I don't know if it's worth going out of my way for, or if there are other alt recipes for example that will pair well with it, making this fusion of oil and copper worth it

[pale dew]

in main base

[pale dew]

i keep walking into the same one

[zenith fractal]

ah

[hard ivy]

puty it out of the way then?

[zenith fractal]

just build a warning sign I guess

[pale dew]

nuhuh

[white dawn]

But again: "worth it" is an entirely subjective/personal call. All recipes are at least situationally useful. The ones you don't like are gonna be someone else's favorite recipes

So don't sweat it. Just redeem one at random and then give it a try if you have an opportunity for it

There is zero reason to stress over recipe selection

Flip a coin and find more drives, etc. Okay, I've said the same thing one too many times now. Will shut up about it. :D

[unkempt blade]

copper alloy ingots are a really good recipe... I just don't like using it 😆

[lethal scroll]

well, I guess? I just want some suggestions on combinations that are worth it. maybe I'll ask directly, coated cables, worth it? are there any resources around tier 6-8 that already require a lot of oil and copper?

[white dawn]

I mean, I like Coated Cables? Other people don't?

What has that data point done for you? :)

[lethal scroll]

I don't want to go out of my way to bring rubber to copper, but if both already need to be together somewhere, it's a good recipe for me

[white dawn]

As I say: all recipes are worth it

And now I'm doing a very bad job at shutting up. (redoubles effort)

[lethal scroll]

charcoal?

[lethal scroll]

+2 somerloops

[unkempt blade]

you might already have the two near each other for computers or something like that - recipes are situational 😄

[white dawn]

Yes, I have seen people who appreciate having Charcoal. Good for handcrafting out in the field, if needed, and some people don't mind some early-game hand-fed systems.

I personally never bother redeeming that one, but that doesn't mean it's got no use

(Okay, really really need to get to Actual Work now. Enjoy, whatever you choose!)

[pale dew]

will dimensional depot allow me to use ammo stored in it?

[lethal scroll]

yup! but while im familliar now with the tier 1-4 recipes, I'm not too familliar with recipes like the computer, and I've never even touched stuff like turbomotor and supercomputers before for example. So idk what mix of base components they would require, and which alt recipes would be good to cut one of those base resources out completely. Anything that can make me cut out one base resource (as in copper, iron, limestone, quartz etc) means I can build a factory for that composite resource at a new place where that base resource is not available

[unkempt blade]

People have created recipe tier lists (you could find easily on google) if you want to understand what the number tradeoffs look like for this stuff but even if that person says S tier personal preferences or the nearby resources make it situational

[lethal scroll]

if there are recipes that allow my factories to remain more compact, as in, import the least amount of resources from "abroad", I want them

the more I can produce locally the better

I want the least amount of long distance transport possible

[unkempt blade]

but then you'll miss out on trains and those are the second best vehicle 😆

[lethal scroll]

I WILL use trains. because some imports will be inevitable. but I want to keep them to an absolute minimum

[pale dew]

Im repeating my question

[lethal scroll]

you can put anything from dim depot into your inventory, so yes, you can use ammo stored within it, although you will need to grab it and put a stack into your inventory first

[pale dew]

Oh alr

ty

[lethal scroll]

yw!

I for example have a chest full of nobelisk feeding into a dim depot, so any time I burn through a stack of nobelisk, I drag a new stack from my depot into my inventory, and then that stack replenishes itself from that chest

[native patrol]

my water extractor isnt full and its not pumping

[shy mulch]

probably headlift or power issues

[pale dew]

its prolly filling pipes

far away

[shy mulch]

best to show a pic of the water extractor detail, so we can see its rate etc

[lethal scroll]

oooh right, isn't there a recipe called iron wire that will allow me to turn iron into copper wire???

[severe sun]

im wondering if i should be moving all my iron/copper/concrete componet factories too the desert, since ive heard that it is the most resource dense

[shy mulch]

yes

[lethal scroll]

that will allow me in combination with iron pipe produce a rotor without screws entirely out of iron

[shy mulch]

do both, have them everywhere, why not 😄

[hard ivy]

you have it in your library lol

[lethal scroll]

oh right, I do! lmao, thanks, taking that

great recipe, allows me to get copper wire where there isn't any copper nodes

are there any other recipes similar to it and iron pipe?

recipes that craft a base resource from a different base resource than usual

idk, copper iron plates for example

or copper rods. ik steel rods exist, do copper rods?

[shy mulch]

steel screws is cool

[severe sun]

also what are the componets im going to have to use the most of when building decently sized factory?

[lethal scroll]

to build the thing itself? iron plates, iron rods, concrete are the main ones. Keep a couple of stacks in your inventory whenever you're building stuff. Next up is copper wire. You're gonna wanna keep stacks of wire and cables in your inventory whenever you're doing ANYTHING related to electricity. make sure you have plenty while you're wiring up the place.

[severe sun]

time to build a factory for my factory

[lethal scroll]

also, just a tip, from experience, when you're making your factory, make the functional parts first. and add a little bit more space than you think is necessary. nothing worse like making a nice compact little factory only to realize it JUST doesn't fit in the space you reserved for it

or, it's nice and compact, but you have 0 room to move around in so every time you wanna inspect it you gotta break a wall to get in

[plain marten]

its annoying to build rail signals because they just keep twitching back and forth between the sides and it seems to always just try to put it to the wrong side

[shy mulch]

oh yeah always work out how big you think you factory will be, then add a bit to have space to move around, then double it, then double it all again

[severe sun]

satisfactory gameplay: build a factory then realise you can make it more efficent, build a factory then realise you can make it more efficent, build a factory then realise you can make it more efficent, build a factory then realise you can make it more efficent, build a factory then realise you can make it more efficent, build a factory then realise you can make it more efficent,

[shy mulch]

there's no randomness about it, position your cursor accurately and it's fine, just maybe takes some practice I guess

[plain marten]

its hard while jetpacking

[shy mulch]

use hoverpack then

[plain marten]

build a factory then realize you can make it more efficient then do nothing and let the old factory cook because it still works

[severe sun]

true 😭

[halcyon kite]

Ya know, I've not been able to search up an answer to this. Have we ever seen any hints that they might add farming, for the food supplies, in the forms of factories/growth machines? I know there is a whole rework mod for the game that adds them, but I'm not really interested in that.

[native patrol]

ok

[shy mulch]

No, I don't imagine there's any desire for that. The whole point is that you progress, that would just encourage people to stay at earlier methods of power

[halcyon kite]

I just want an easier way to automate inhalers instead of gathering nuts all the time. lol

[hard ivy]

I wish they just added the recipes to the manufacturer

[lethal scroll]

embrace the fungus

[hard ivy]

you could just handfeed it then

[halcyon kite]

You still can't automate it, even with those. Unless I missed them adding the Medical to a machine.

[white dawn]

Nah, there are no automatable inhaler recipes, alas

I too hope that someday we'll get those

[shy mulch]

how many inhalers are you using that you need to automate them

[halcyon kite]

Look, I tank a LOT of Uranium Boar rocks... I'm kind of dumb.

[white dawn]

It's not that handcrafting inhalers is a terribly onerous task, so much as the fact that I'm playing an automation game. I want to automate! :D

I want my exploration-spoils dumping bin to auto-sort things into a machine which'll eventually spit out some inhalers into my DD.

[halcyon kite]

Yeah, what Apoc said. I don't want to stand there handcrafting them when I could just let my Factory, in an automation game, do that for me.

[white dawn]

(To be clear: I'm not asking for a fully automatable production line here. I'm fine having to jumpstart it myself by dumping something in a bin somewhere. But I can hand-feed automate slugs->shards, biomass, solid biofuel, gas nobelisks, liquid biofuel, DNA, etc. Being able to do inhalers too would be nice, is all.)

[halcyon kite]

Oh, I found a youtube clip from their May Q&A where they were talking about it. They don't want to automate production of them because it would "ruin exploration"? I mean, we're probably never getting farming, so I'm still gonna have to do a loop of Rocky Desert to Green Fields to gather nuts, I just want to cut out the standing there handcrafting part.

[white dawn]

Yeah, I feel like most of the times it's been brought up on stream they've kind of misinterpreted the request, alas.

c'est la vie!

I actually mostly just never actually use inhalers; I've found just keeping a stack of berries onhand tends to work for me. But if we ever do get an inhaler recipe in a machine, I'll be happy to add that to my factories. :)

[halcyon kite]

I love my inhalers. I can just tank so many hits and then Inhaler to full and then keep running around like a derp.

[lethal scroll]

just finished my new smeltery design. what do you think? 16 smelters smelting a full 480 ore input

it's in #screenshots message

[pale dew]

is there any way i can make the dimentional depot faster?

[zenith fractal]

quick question

[lethal scroll]

it's 7x5, one floor

[zenith fractal]

is there any way to not go insane placing hundreds of refineries?

a bit of a hyperbole

[halcyon kite]

Blueprints. Time to learn Blueprints.

[lethal scroll]

upgrading it. you'll need a LOT of mercer spheres tho so start hunting

[zenith fractal]

that will still take a long while but fine I expected that

[mortal ginkgo]

1. Upgrade
2. Put more than one DD being fed the same item.

[pale dew]

how?

is this an unlcokable thru mam?

[lethal scroll]

mam research

[pale dew]

oh wait yeah i forgot

[halcyon kite]

Yeah, the closest you'll get to it being fast is to setup a blueprint as condensed as you can make them, then build them with Autoconnect turned on and hope they're right so that fluids/belts are connected and you just have to connect power lines between the blueprints. lol

[shy zenith]

How come my truck swivels when going up ramps?

[zenith fractal]

thanks

[languid anvil]

hey, im getting overwhelmed a little on what to unlock after finishing phase 2

im currently focusing on trains because ive been wanting them for ages, but what should be the go to next option? Is fuel-generated power better than coal to power my factories or is it just for the jetpack and stuff?

[halcyon kite]

Fuel factories would be the next go-to, in my opinion, because Rubber and Plastic are by products of that and you'll really want those.

[mortal ginkgo]

before trains, get the oil. make the simplest fuel setup possible, sink the byproduct

Coal is not enough anymore, not by a long shot.

[languid anvil]

im like 12 motors away from the trains

so ill go for fuel next, thank you both :D

[shy fog]

wee... down to ballistic warp drives

[polar leaf]

not if I made 48 generators

🤓

[spare ice]

Guys when I leave my oil plant after a while it gets disconnected, is tehre any known issues or w.e? Do I have to be close to the base after a while or something ?

[languid anvil]

i have 24 😭

[halcyon kite]

Fuel Refinineries and Extractors take a lot of Motors. I would do them first for power output. And look into increasing your motor production.

[mortal ginkgo]

"UMMMH FACTUALLY IF WE USE ALL COAL FOR COAL GENS WE CAN USE TRAINS SO MMMMHHH YOU ARE SO MMH ACTUTHALLY WRONG MY FRIEND MMH MAKE SURE YOU SAY "IN MY OPINION" NEXT TIME OR MMMMH 🤓 "

[shy fog]

you probably are making an initial product or have forgotten the second half product sink... one of the two

if it backs up without a sink, then production stalls, happens either side of the coin you chose to ignore

so say you start rubber and plastics, eventually those boxes will fill up

[languid anvil]

do i have to unlock oil processing then petroleum power?

[spare ice]

I have 10 refs making 5 rub and 5 plast, and 3 ref handling the heavy oil turn into fuel and power 3 fuel gens 😮

[languid anvil]

better question, what do i have to unlock for the new power source lol

[shy fog]

and do those rubber and plastics have a sink for the overflow product?

[mortal ginkgo]

fuel gens 😛

[shy fog]

or are the storages for said product full?

[spare ice]

Yeah

[shy fog]

alright... math time...

[polar leaf]

nah I made 1000 fuel generators the next hundred hours I'm chill

[spare ice]

Its okey, Im just baffled:O

[languid anvil]

so i have to unlock the petroleum power milestone lol

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah but first oil, blz.

[shy fog]

so 5 plastic ones eat base of 30 crude 150 oil so far, 5 rubber 150 also, you need 300 crude being extracted... where ya at?

[spare ice]

I got ext 2 doing 300! 😄

[shy fog]

awesome then we do output

[spare ice]

Rub = 20 heavy, that times 5= 100 heavy oil
Plastic 10 heavy times 5= 50
= 150

3 refs doing 60 each heavy

[shy fog]

hmm... so 60, 120, 180?

[spare ice]

yeah

[shy fog]

while producing 150

[spare ice]

doing 40 each fuel

Yea, 3 fuel gens burn 20 per minute

[shy fog]

probably a fluid block

[spare ice]

Meaning :P? Pipes to long or some ?

[shy fog]

did you build pipe junctions before or after?

[spare ice]

before

Swa someone on youtube recommend it ?

Wait

[shy fog]

I usually refer to doc's videos on this

[spare ice]

Could I be producing to much fuel and not consumingfast enough?

AFter a while the refs burning heavy oil get blocked?

[shy fog]

it's probably the heavy oil's not flowing properly out

[spare ice]

Wait

IM not sure but the problem might be to much fuel 😮

Because I see now, the refs burning heavy oil will get clogged:O

[shy fog]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFC27P3JyBM it's pipes then

[spare ice]

OMG what hassle

[shy fog]

welcome to stage 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuwHvjrEMdk after you finish the above

[unkempt blade]

oh god vertical video, my eyes are burning

[spare ice]

Everything is on the same level tho for me 😛

[shy fog]

again, doesn't matter, also I didn't link the short version intentionally

[plain marten]

its so annoying how it keeps saying signals make next stop unreachable despite them, in fact, not making them unreachable

[shy fog]

and yes, everything on the same level still does that

[spare ice]

OMG this game is freaking amazing HAHAHHAHAHAHA

Holy f 😄

Thank you so much for taking the time to help me 😄

[shy fog]

not a problem

just hoping you're enjoying the game

[spare ice]

That is not an issue at all. Cant stop playing is the issue 😄

[unkempt blade]

just remember to go outside and move around once in a while so you don't get sores from building factories for too long

[mortal ginkgo]

moving inside factory counts too!

[deft wagon]

If you try hard enough

[spare ice]

Havenot been a workaholic for a loooooooooooong time:P I need this hHAHAHA

[zenith fractal]

ya know

[spare ice]

I run ALOT. between factories so I get the steps in

[zenith fractal]

128 blenders is. a bit much. this will be a long plubber project

[deft wagon]

Thats a lot of megawatts

[zenith fractal]

my energy supply will be in shambles

[deft wagon]

Literally

Crying and begging for it to end

[plain marten]

why does my railway switch not work

it just cant make a turn

[zenith fractal]

ya know

imma just downsize the project, and not combine 2 big oil fields

[unkempt blade]

breaking huge goals down into smaller goals is a great way to keep your momentum!

[mortal ginkgo]

wrong, everyone should play EXACTLY like Kibitz!

[shadow crown]

does anybody else remember when you could pick up petals and flowers?

[mortal ginkgo]

I am glad I didnt play that time. It sounds horrible lol

[lethal scroll]

yup, you needed flowers to make dye for the paint gun lol

[mortal ginkgo]

pls no.

[simple mango]

WTB ceiling-mountable pipe hangers that stack like conveyor hangers

[cunning siren]

I ❤️ the entire ceiling mount belt mechanic... auto builds the posts WTF! Why does this not for all the things?

[shadow crown]

i have a piping issue
i have 8 coal gens with a max consum of 180m3 of water
I produce 300m3 of water, the pipes have a water tower and a pump
theres an issue where after the first or second generator the pipes slowly lose flow rate and water, ending up dry by the 8th generator
how do i fix this

[spare ice]

BTW this, does this mean higher than the INTAKE of the building or just the height of the building ?

[shadow crown]

little note by the end only 6/8 generators work while not being optimal

[placid stirrup]

How much water does each gen consume? What about if you total that? Then, how much can you fit in a single Mk1 pipe?

[shadow crown]

22.5x8 180

i dont think its the water consume thats an issue

i have 300m3, plenty of it

[placid stirrup]

So you're under clocking them for some reason, ok. You should post with photos in #1038092680493801533

[cunning siren]

At 100% clock speed, one Coal-Powered Generator consumes 45 m3 Water/min, no matter what fuel is used 🤔 you listed 22.5? Underclocking coal gens? 🤔

[mortal ginkgo]

maybe doesnt have enough coal for now

[shadow crown]

did

[placid stirrup]

Careful, your face might get stuck like that

[cunning siren]

🤔

[shadow crown]

not underclocked

might be a mod? doubt it tho

[spare ice]

Guys quick question, if I build a oil tower just after the extractor, and then it goes in to refs to make heavy oil, do I need to make another heavey oil tower to feed into next ref to make fuel,?

[reef basin]

wdym by "oil tower"?

[spare ice]

water tower but with oil 😛

[reef basin]

don't build that

[simple mango]

is there a "Copy Color Swatch" button for the customizer like there is to copy a building with MMB?

[reef basin]

just use pumps

[spare ice]

Everything is plain on ground level

ARty was showing me some pipe tutorials with doc

[reef basin]

then no need for pumps NOR water tower

[spare ice]

I got issues the plant keeps shutting down

[reef basin]

what is it caused by?

[spare ice]

I think it was not consuming enough fuel so it back clogged

but since then I added 2 more fuel gens and it happend again 😮

[pale dew]

I wanna make some cool buildings but idek how to start

i got 0 creativity in me

[reef basin]

calculate properly how much of what you need

[shy fog]

height of the intake. if anything is lower than that height it will always fill it up

[spare ice]

I see, If I do 1 after the extractor do I have to make 1 for each step ? Like after it creates heavy oil do I need to make another tower? if you know what I mean

[spare ice]

We tried and I createing to much fuel so I added some gens but still 😮

[reef basin]

how much fuel do you make? how many gens do you have?

[shadow crown]

fluids in satisfactory are such a pain

[reef basin]

only if you don't learn how to do them properly

[polar leaf]

this

[spare ice]

300 crude into 10 refs that makes it 300
5 rubber= 100 heavy oil
5 plastic=50 heavy oil
3 refs creating fuel= 60 heavy each to create 40
so 180 heavy to 120 fuel

6 gens each 20fuel

[shy fog]

if the fluids go up before input, then bad, if the fluids go down before input, good

it can even be 1 meter down, it's what matters

[spare ice]

Explain this again please, I cant seem to understand 😛

[pale dew]

height= + not good

bassically you need pressure, the higher liquid goes the worse

[nocturne orbit]

someone should go into a game and create display sign saying 0 days since X accident
wait, did someone do that like ocuple years ago? probably. but how to find that template then?

[spare ice]

AIiiit I get that 😛 ima be monitoring now

[shrewd palm]

that is like 50% there in the hub

[shy fog]

tossed ya some screenshots in dm for each example

[shrewd palm]

just tells you how many days since last accident but doesnt specify what accident

[shy fog]

oops... wrong target... sorry epic

[pale dew]

np

[shy fog]

rightclicks don't care if someone moved the message on ya

[nocturne orbit]

what hub?

[shy fog]

send you some screenshots for example of each

[spare ice]

I jsut got it 😄 Ima take a look 😛

[shrewd palm]

the in game hub

[dim dock]

Is the waterfall at the south west of the map (beside paradise island) ever going to be revamped? It kinda looks half finished... looks very artificial.