satisfactory

[tepid prairie]

i have a question

is there any way to automatically apply swatches to things when im building?

[cunning glade]

Fair enough

I mean I assume rocketfuel burns hot

Aluminum isn't very heat resistant Right

[mild finch]

yes, right click on the swatch you want to automatically apply

and it'll give you options

[heavy anvil]

aluminum melts pretty easily i think

[cunning glade]

Ye it does just verified cuz I thought so

[tepid prairie]

where?

[cunning glade]

Okay that makes this much simpler

[mild finch]

in the swatchs menu

[cunning glade]

Making a lot of rocketfuel

[tepid prairie]

tysm

[mild finch]

np :D

[cunning glade]

And I'm gonna turn about 250 of it into drone fuel

[mild finch]

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-mario-no-spaghetti-spaghetti-no-pasta-gif-25409663

[wintry carbon]

how many coal powers i can add to 3 pumps ?

[heavy anvil]

45/360=8

[wintry carbon]

damn i need more power 🙁

the lake is too small to put a 4e

[heavy anvil]

overclock that thang

[wintry carbon]

thats only temp pain

[heavy anvil]

overclocking works long term

i have powershards left over in my coal plants

[polar leaf]

bro factorio never goes on sale imma die

😭

[vestal hill]

?

[tepid prairie]

building factory makes my autism happy

just seeing shi be made

[shy mulch]

Which lake? Most coal nodes have plenty water near them

[vestal hill]

One of the small ones in grass fields

[wintry carbon]

in grass fields were you start right

[heavy anvil]

i think i know the one

[shy mulch]

Why not use the giant one beside the coal nodes

[vestal hill]

The elevated one

[vestal hill]

That’s what I said

[heavy anvil]

you can fit like 5 just really pack em in there

[wintry carbon]

was the plan to build one there later on

only played 100h in 2 weeks, and did not look around too much

[vestal hill]

That’s 50 hours a week

[wintry carbon]

dont tell my wife 😄

[vestal hill]

we won’t don’t worry

[shy mulch]

What do we say if she asks

[reef basin]

that's only if you merge multiple screw sources

[wintry carbon]

😄 she wont

[reef basin]

(which is what screws are not for)

[vestal hill]

I don’t understand the hate towards screws

Can someone explain rq

[shy mulch]

People who can't do simple maths get upset about hitting belt throughput limits and blame the screws instead of blaming their school teacher

[hard ivy]

I hate them because all but one recipe that uses them just sucks ass

[heavy anvil]

so imagine an incredibly common basic part that requires weird clock speeds and multiple machines

[vestal hill]

What’s the recipe that doesn’t

[shy mulch]

If you want something to get stressed about, run a particle accelerator at 250% clock speed using Turbo Diamonds alt and let us know how that goes for you 😁

[hard ivy]

copper rotor

[vestal hill]

I HATE copper rotor

[livid rivet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET-jZFqEDV8

[vestal hill]

Lmao

[shy mulch]

Have you seen the problem? I love it when people get caught out by it cos they don't think to fix it with sushi

[vestal hill]

The problem with screws?

[shy mulch]

No, turbo diomonds

[vestal hill]

I haven’t gotten past phase three yet

[shy mulch]

Oh I saw u replied to me and thought u replied to my last message, not the one earlier, my bad

[vestal hill]

No worries

[shy mulch]

But ye turbo diamonds is a even better problem 😁

[vestal hill]

I cannot wait to get to mid/late game

And spend 50-100 hours on one factory

[shy mulch]

It definitely gets more complicated 😎

[shy mulch]

Why only 50 hours 😛

[heavy anvil]

remember that if your factory isnt 100% efficient, the whole thing needs to be dismantled and reconstructed

[vestal hill]

Not happening

[heavy anvil]

ya gotta build em modular

in blueprints

[vestal hill]

I am not spending 10 hours for +1 rotor per 10 minutes

[heavy anvil]

and then you can add like 2 high speed connectors out of a singular node with 1 powershard and 45 seconds

[vestal hill]

I spend enough time for it to not matter

[heavy anvil]

i think the blueprint builders should be unlocked earlier and be bigger

[leaden turret]

the only problem that can be fixed with sushi is drinking a bottle of sake on an empty stomach.

[craggy dagger]

Dlc when?

[leaden turret]

1.0 launch, EA reward DLC

[heavy anvil]

i see that on my steam but does it actually have any content

"satisfactory early access supporter pack" or smth

[simple island]

48 hours in to my first serious run and I’m making pen and paper flow charts.

[leaden turret]

gold stuff in the appearance customizer

[reef basin]

multiple reasons:

• pre-update 2 screws were really bad, so people learned to hate them and repeat that even after two major rebalancing updates
• people tend to merge all things onto single belts, which you shouldn't do with screws
• people tend to repeat what they hear without fact-checking it, so vocal minority chanting "screw screws" obviously makes a lot of people believe them

[vestal hill]

Welcome to satisfactory

[leaden turret]

4k hours and I built my own production planner

[heavy anvil]

thats diffrent from purchasing the caterium finishing in the AWESUM\tm shop?

[vestal hill]

Fair, wish more people understood the concept of multiple belts

[reef basin]

or rather, the concept of direct input 🙂

[vestal hill]

That too

[reef basin]

one screw constructor -> one machine needing screws

[leaden turret]

• golden helmet
• golden build gun
• golden build gun trinket

[vestal hill]

Or even better
one screw constructor -> multiple screw hungry machines

[uncut talon]

guys how do i get uran in inventory without radiation

[hard ivy]

you don't

[uncut talon]

oh

ty

[versed mesa]

Hello all good evening

[shy fog]

... you upload it

technically it's an inventory...

doesn't make it an intelligent decision though

[wintry carbon]

where to find mycelia or how to make it ?

[heavy anvil]

you can mine about 3 pieces and then upload it, inhale some delicious inhaler things, and then repeat

[heavy anvil]

caves or in the jungle with a chainsaw

[white dawn]

Not just jungle re: chainsaw; there's a fair amount of foliage out there that'll drop mycelia. Just start chainsawing around everywhere and you'll eventually find some. (Though yeah, caves are generally the "guaranteed" way)

[calm lantern]

you find it, I use cactuses for it

[white dawn]

Remember you can chainsaw 'em in caves, too -- helps with collection quite a bit

[plush dawn]

have game difficulties ever been considered? like for reduced recipe costs and whatnot?

[calm lantern]

use a chainsaw too

[white dawn]

I don't think they've ever talked about the possibility of having alternate recipe sets; I expect that'd be way more work than they'd be willing to do. They do offer settings right in the menu to turn off combat, which is the only real external "stressor." Everything else in the game can be conquered just by time

And of course there's Advanced Game Settings which lets you do things like toggle build costs, power requirements, etc. Not to mention just giving yourself any items you want

[plush dawn]

i mean just like number reduction, not any "different" recipes

[white dawn]

Anyway, can certainly suggest it on the Questions site -- that's where the devs would see it. Could be there's already a post about it which you could upvote

[raven axle]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @white dawn

[plush dawn]

thats neat

[white dawn]

Right, but what I mean is that they'd have to go through and balance every single recipe

[plush dawn]

yeah

i dont personally need it

its just i feel alot of people may stop playing due to the difficulty

[white dawn]

I mean, in the end, it is what it is. The game's not gonna be for everyone

I'd also disagree that the game is "difficult" in any conventional sense -- there's literally no "pressure" once you get to coal power

Increasing complexity is kind of the foundation of most factory-automation games

[plush dawn]

i guess thats true

[heavy anvil]

recipes cost isnt really a problem, if you need a large quantity of something, just leave your computer on overnight and return to a whole lot of iron plates

[white dawn]

Not saying that it's not possible, of course, but I just can't imagine CSS going through all the effort to try and rebalance the entire web of recipes just to make things "easier" somehow

[reef basin]

if you need to afk, you didn't automate enough

[tepid prairie]

im nearly there

[white dawn]

IMO most folks who end up feeling overwhelmed (and in "danger" of not playing anymore), what'd be far more helpful than trying to readjust recipes is to encourage alternate playstyles -- folks who are getting overwhelmed can often really benefit from https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency for instance, which IMO isn't often an obvious way to play for folks

[leaden turret]

how to make things easier: ||build less ||

[white dawn]

(Obviously just recommending Independency isn't gonna be every overwhelmed-player's solution to having an easier time, but changing perspectives in build styles can often help. A lot of problems/frustrations that people run into end up being side effects of their chosen build style, which they didn't even realize was a choice. Lots of ways to play the game!)

[versed mesa]

Mods are making Tabs hide and go away like Architecture tab

[white dawn]

Anyway, not saying that it'd be a bad thing if CSS did decide they wanted to do a "simplified" recipe set for an optional "easy mode" or whatever. I'm just guessing they're unlikely to make that effort. :) Could be something a mod provides, if someone's motivated enough to do it

Doing custom recipes via mods is pretty straightforward, from a mechanical perspective at least

[tranquil maple]

If were talking abt game balancing, I feel like the way alternate recipies are completely random sucks. You could fight 4 nuclear hogs and an army of spiders to get biocoal

[leaden turret]

reroll

[white dawn]

That's why you've gotta "keep up" with hard drive collection as you play, so by the time you're encountering nuke hogs and armies of spiders, all those early-game recipes are already claimed (or maybe for biocoal/charcoal, locked away in the LIbrary. :)

Prioritizing exploration/HD-hunting from the start means that your random pool of recipes is largely always gonna be stuff that's immediately relevant

(I agree that's not necessarily obvious to a first-time player, but it's good to keep in mind for future runs, etc. :)

[leaden turret]

making things easier might be solving the wrong problem

[prime rampart]

yoo congrats me for getting a macbook!!!

[abstract heron]

Heya

[shy mulch]

Turbo diamonds at 250% can only be solved with sushi. Unless you know of another way?

[solemn relic]

i have coal gens with water being pumped into them, but they say that the gens have no power and the water wont flow into them, even though it has a high flow rate?

[white dawn]

Start a #1038092680493801533 thread and inline images of your setup there. Do it from up high; build foundations/ladders/catwalks/whatever to get a nice overhead view. The pipes in particular are of particular interest

[simple island]

Don't know if you know this, but the Heroic launcher has GPTK functionality built-in, so you can install Windows games and have them work pretty well out of the box.

No need for crossover etc.

[solemn relic]

i have done thanks

[plush dawn]

does anyone else use a color picker to pick the colors for building color coding

[native tapir]

Yes that is us.

You will be hearing a lot more about it in the coming days.

We had to compromise and do 20 people per server after our play test.

But we have unlimited servers.

On community level submissions are due October 15th and the events starts on November 1st. Again, unlimited servers so everyone can join with their friends or solo

[cunning siren]

ZOMG! I thought about this and... did not accept it was feasible? Is it? 🤔 How the hell would this work?

OH, now that we have priority merger it's simple

Well... more simple

Oh man... I gotta' try this

[spare ice]

BTW GUYS, there are no mods for better vehicle control etc 😛 ?

[cunning siren]

I have yet to use a vehicle to get around 🤷 it seems rather impractical given the average terrain but maybe that's part of the point? I'll give that a try too 🤔

[eternal swallow]

any tips for making my builds not look like a big orange box?

/grey box

[shy mulch]

Well the machine has 2 inputs and needs 1500 coal and 100 turbo fuel per minute input. You obviously can't put all 1500 coal on one belt as the max is 1200. So you need to put 300 coal on the same belt as the turbo fuel

[limpid cairn]

Use concrete foundations and walls and call it brutalism

[eternal swallow]

lmao im trying not to do that this time

[cunning siren]

Right, so the "real" issue is how do you get ONLY 100 turbo fuel and 300 coal 🤔 I'm guessing this is one of the times when a "fancy splitter blob" could do that

[shy mulch]

You produce exactly 300 coal and exactly 100 turbofuel and merge them

[cunning siren]

I guess we can control the input at the source too

I wonder if there is a more feasable way to do that

OH, 300 coal is a maxed out impure coal node... that solves the "wasting coal problem"

[shrewd gyro]

I cant load tractors help

[shy mulch]

It's pretty easy to adjust any amount to any amount if you can do maths and know how splitters and mergers work

[shrewd gyro]

nvm its working now

[shy mulch]

New players are probably best just making the right amount though

[cunning siren]

Yea the spitters thing is the most "feasable" IMO

OK... this is a valid reason to use a balancer in this game for once 😆

[shrewd gyro]

now I cant unload

now its working ffs

[cunning siren]

300 / 60 = 5 so using 5 MK.1 belts can make 300 coal 🤔

Silly way to do it and simple

[shrewd gyro]

you'll still need higher tier belts before spitting

[cunning siren]

In this situation were talking about making a build for turbo diamonds so that will not be a problem at all

[valid bobcat]

anyone have any TRAIN STATION design ideas i could use?

[reef basin]

station followed by a few platforms

[cursive totem]

omg last project part factory is running

by tomorrow i think we're actually done

🔥🔥

[hard mantle]

i swear bro every time i get here theres always a select few people here like big speck and virtual killer

[shrewd gyro]

I have litrally been here for two years and only started talking 3 days ago

also phase 2 is almost done, just need auto wire and framework, should take 40 ish min at current pace

[eternal swallow]

yo do any of you have any idea on how id make the glass look better because i can barely look through it and the reflections suck

[languid anvil]

does photomode allow you to fly in the air

i need to tear down some parts of my factory to make a better storage system

[green fiber]

a little

press R to decouple camera

[languid anvil]

will this allow me to see my factory from above? like a downwards view

[green fiber]

if you turn the camera down and go high enough

downside: the camera range is limited

its bound to you by a big sphere

[languid anvil]

good enough i guess

[heavy anvil]

also if you start using your jetpack, enter photo mode and decouple your camera, your jetpack will burn for as long as you are in decoupled camera, but will be empty when you return

[languid anvil]

dont have one yet unfortunately 😔

[rigid mist]

is 3 meters of clearance to close for a ceiling

[crisp jetty]

i dont understand why my water pipes are producing at max capacity for like a minute and then they just stop altogether

[heavy anvil]

do you have fluid buffers attached to the pipeline? they can mess up pipeline pumps and headlift

[crisp jetty]

uhhh idk but a pump seemed to do the trick

[sullen gull]

This is easy to diagnose though. Just check the "last" pump's headlift. If it's over, you need another or to move it farther down the line 🤷‍♂️

[limber plaza]

nuclear pasta incoming 👀 #screenshots

[heavy anvil]

do pumps register the cancelled headlift as being above their max headlift if the buffer
isnt full though? i never noticed

[sullen gull]

No, it's "cancelled". hence the last pump bit. Basically you just need enough head lift to go up to the top of the buffer in meters.

[cunning siren]

I can not seem to rely on "getting" a solid 1200 coal from a MK.6 belt? 😭 Is it "just me" or do other's also see this too? #screenshots message

[white dawn]

What I've observed is that there's probably a performance-related decrease which can happen, presumably if your CPU starts getting overloaded

[sullen gull]

I have seen that be "normal" Especially if the miner is starting and stopping at all.

[white dawn]

I ran some tests where I had a couple 1200/min manifolds in a row which would work 100% fine on a "fresh" AGS save, but when imported into my 1.0 save (which was starting to show some wear on my CPU), it'd start lagging

[versed mesa]

Rip

[cunning siren]

Look at the CPU usage in the screenshot though 🤷 not maxed

[white dawn]

I'm honestly not sure what the actual trigger is. Could be it doesn't have to be maxed. Honestly not sure, just saying that I've observed a 100%-working 1200/min setup on a "clean" save with nothing else going on start slowing down when copied into a busy savefile

[cunning siren]

Hummm so maybe I can get a buffer going on the miner, i'll try that thanks

[sullen gull]

To "test" it, I usually just throw it to a sink for a few minutes to see if the belt would reach max speed

If it does, then something is possibly backing up on the production side.

[grave bay]

we love satisfactory

[hard mantle]

ooooooh i found sulfur, should i mark it until i need i neeed it or mine it right now cause its a temporary rock

[heavy anvil]

toss some autominers on it and grab some for researching in the mam

[hard mantle]

i dont have the mam yet but im just gonna mine it since its temporary and put it in my storage container

[heavy anvil]

oh a chunk not a node

[cunning siren]

I dumped my graphics settings to the absolute minimum AND still no solid 1200... Humpfff...

[hard mantle]

is 25 enough to research it in the mam?

[heavy anvil]

i think thats enough to unlock scanning it, yeah

[real shale]

The valid argument the stinger presented to me, defeating my entire argument

Vs

"I have a bomb"

[hard mantle]

alr cool

what i just found something called bauxite too?

another chunk but

[heavy anvil]

dont even worry about bauxite for the time being

[real shale]

Honestly, no point mining the bauxite at the moment yeah

[heavy anvil]

thats its own headache down the line

[hard mantle]

i just found more sulfur

[real shale]

Although, totally not malicious advice at all you should mine the first uranium chunk you find and keep it in your inventory forever

[cunning siren]

Whelp, this may spell unreliable Turbo Diamonds above 200% OC 😭

[real shale]

(do not do that)

(I made that mistake)

[hard mantle]

what happens if you do

i get its radioactive but like does it kill you

[real shale]

Yes. Very quickly.

[heavy anvil]

and then your deathbox is radioactive

[cunning siren]

Funny thing is I had better results with a single priority merger than some "fancy" balancer setup 😆

[hard mantle]

ohh so you never had time to take it out of your inventory cause you kept dying

i mean theres no way this game doesnt have a way to protect against uranium right? ther has to be like a hazmat suit

[heavy anvil]

although i once repeated the process of mining it and dying for an entire chunk bc i wanted a somsloop

[real shale]

I actually made a blunder by saying to myself "oh I'm sure they didn't code in the radiation when you hold the thing in your inventory, it's surely just an AoE thing, then I realised after the fact this is a CSS game, of course they accounted for that

[heavy anvil]

tier 8

[real shale]

I thought I was being smart but I got outsmarted with my outsmarting

[hard mantle]

what.

[tepid prairie]

how much coal does a coal power plant take a minute?

[real shale]

You can't use it until then anyway

[hard mantle]

i mean atleast you can protect yourself because uranium seems pretty important if you need power if there is nuclear energy

[heavy anvil]

you unlock nuclear power and hazmat suits at tier 8 of project assembly

[real shale]

I think it's 15

(I didn't take that from whoever reacted to you there now I swear)

[tepid prairie]

and how many pumps does one need?

[real shale]

1

[tepid prairie]

ty guys

[real shale]

You can share 2 per water extractor iirc

[tepid prairie]

whats an iirc

[real shale]

if I recall correctly

[tepid prairie]

oh alr alr

[heavy anvil]

each water extractor produces 120 liters p/m each coal plant requires 45 liters pm

[true mulch]

it's m3 not liters

liters are a factor of 1000x less

[heavy anvil]

im american its all giberish

gimme gallons

[real shale]

We are engineers we do not use gallons

Find me an engineer that uses imperial and you will no longer hear from them again

[grand quest]

bolted iron plate with cast screws or stitched iron plate with iron wire?

[heavy anvil]

the way i did it was to overclock the extractors to 150% to generate 180 m3 pm which powers a clean 4 coal plants

[old notch]

What text channel do i use to ask about maga prints im looking for a specific type but not sure where to go im kinda new

[hard mantle]

i think some engineers do use imperial

[real shale]

Not good ones

[hard mantle]

i mean i live in america so im conditioned to imperial but the imperial system is so dumb

doesnt even make sense compared to metric

[true mulch]

sure:
1 water extractor produces 31 700.6463 US gallons per minute
1 coal generator burns 11 887.7424 US gallons per minute

[real shale]

What an ugly number

Get it away from me

That's too many decimal places of accuracy

[hard mantle]

the imperial system sucks so much like 8 cups in a whatever like wdym just do 1000 millileters in a liter so much more simple

[true mulch]

sadly there are no imperial units of time

[real shale]

Sadly?

[hard mantle]

the british system for time is "its chew o clock"

[polar leaf]

5 king breathes per second

[real shale]

I think you mean thankfully

Tbf tho time isn't metric nor imperial it's just....time

[tepid prairie]

also can someone tell me the shortcut for quickly rotating conveyors at right angles please?

[heavy anvil]

Use straight mode

[tepid prairie]

ty

[clever stone]

Do you guys prefer the hoverpack or the jetpack

[true mulch]

seconds are the SI unit of time (which is what is typically referred to as "metric"), but you're right that there's no decadic time

[true mulch]

apples to oranges

both serve a different purpose

[clever stone]

Aye, fair

[heavy anvil]

Hover pack around the factory, jetpack while ziplining

[real shale]

Jetpack for everything....

[clever stone]

I keep forgetting to use the zipline ngl

[leaden turret]

Instead of hours and minutes, in Swatch Time the mean solar day is divided into 1,000 equal parts called .beats, meaning each .beat lasts 86.4 seconds (1.440 minutes) in standard time, and an hour lasts for approximately 42 .beats. The time of day always references the amount of time that has passed since midnight (standard time) in Biel, Switzerland, where Swatch's headquarters is located. For example, @248 BEATS indicates a time 248 .beats after midnight, or 248⁄1000 of a day (just over 5 hours and 57 minutes; or 5:57 AM UTC+1).

[real shale]

I still find it funny that the zipline is technically a realistically feasible device

[true mulch]

is it though? not sure how related, but I remember seeing a video on a magnet-powered bike, and it had ridiculous losses to heat

assuming this would work on a similar principle

[real shale]

Just don't use a magnet to latch on

[true mulch]

you'd need ridiculously strong magnets, but also ensure that it doesn't actually touch the wire

[real shale]

Actually

You can touch the wire

[leaden turret]

can used non-motorised guidewheels

[true mulch]

if it's touching then just use a regular zipline

[real shale]

As long as you are the same potential and there's no potential difference on you, you are fine to touch the wire, in fact people do, do it

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> does the zipline tool do magnetic acceleration, magnetic breaking, or both?

[real shale]

There's people who do live HV work in helicopters and everything

The only problem would be getting down since you can't touch the tower itself

[leaden turret]

zipline tool turns power cable into rail gun?

[real shale]

But yeah, find it funny that the zipline could definitely be done irl on powerlines

[heavy anvil]

Are modern powerlines insulated? Because i feel like its implied that the zipline tool gets its power directly from the cable

[real shale]

They are open air aluminium conductor's

Only insulation is the porcelain/ceramic/glass/whatever insulators on the power towers to isolate the tower itself from the line

[cunning siren]

❤️ zipline for early game travle

It's pretty OP

Learning the quirks of how it works though... ooof expensive lessons 😆

[real shale]

I actually didn't know that you can toggle it with right click as opposed to holding it with left click until recently

[heavy anvil]

Love it when google tells me that aluminum can better handle thermal expansion than copper but then also tells me copper is better at handling thermal expansion

[real shale]

It's copper

[cunning siren]

OH man! Neither did I till just now, thanks!

[real shale]

Aluminium is cheaper with similar properties of conductivity which means it's less likely to get stolen

[cunning siren]

OH, right click autoconnects with the wire too

[real shale]

Yeah

[cunning siren]

No more manual timing

Super handy

[cunning glade]

For 500 fuel gens at 250% with rocket fuel I would need 5208 a min?

[true mulch]

yes, 5208.3333

[cunning glade]

Perfect

Making 5213.123

Then a tad extra for drones

Plus I think when I wanna expand drones I'm just gonna sloop the blenders making the fuel tbh

[mortal ginkgo]

i am against hypertubes personally. Its too silly and funky but most importantly not as cool as the zipline tool

[cunning glade]

Hypertubes goated

[true mulch]

no way I love my hypertubes

I miss hypertubes in other games I play

[vale grotto]

What do you think of hypertube cannons?

[cunning glade]

I need too make a bp for cannons anyone have one they could lend me

[mortal ginkgo]

you are all wrong despite being the majority. its ok. we live in a society after all.

here is what alpha males has: #design-and-architecture message

[cunning glade]

Legit add a hypertube too that blueprint and it's perfect

[mortal ginkgo]

makes the world feel so small so I dont like it either.

zipline is just best and coolest

[cunning glade]

I don't like cannons but hyper tubes themselves are amazing

I think they should be upgradable

[mortal ginkgo]

NEVER! Over my dead doggos!

[cunning glade]

But mods do that and it's infinitely faster

[cunning glade]

They just too slow

[mortal ginkgo]

I dont wanna go faster.

[cunning glade]

I do

[mortal ginkgo]

Maybe I just take things too slow.

[cunning glade]

I don't wanna spend 15 mins going from one factory too another

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean...

I guess.?

[cunning glade]

That's like half a factory that could be built in the time it would take for 2 trips some places in my world

I already have so much too do I don't have time for things too slow me down

[cunning glade]

Its all about efficiency

Zip lines aren't efficient

[mortal ginkgo]

95% of the time I use is for decoration anyway so.

Being cool is efficient. fayt me irl

[cunning glade]

Well I wanna decorate too but can't do that if I'm slowing myself down more

[mortal ginkgo]

you just need to be faster to compensate for zipline coolness.

[sullen gull]

I would say they're for fun, But ficsit tells me my fun is wrong..

Although, They are effecient for the time that they are introduced... 🤷‍♂️

[mortal ginkgo]

Its been 80 game days to reach phase 2 because of my decoration skills. ADA didn't complain.

[cunning glade]

Screws were bad before 1.0

Or a pain so people think screws bad

[mortal ginkgo]

they take too big belt space at first but its totally fine to use them with steel screws. just make the screw right beside where its needed.

[sullen gull]

Screws devloped a lot of "hate" because of the quantities and them being one of the first to be removed from a chain if desired. At the end of the day, screws are fine. I mean, hell, quick wire quantities are similar and you don't see people griping nowhere near as much.

[cunning glade]

I always liked screws but fair

[hard ivy]

? 1.0 hasn't made screws any better. It has actually made them slightly worse

[sullen gull]

heh, pray tell, how is that?

[hard ivy]

Default HMF uses even more screws than it used to

[sullen gull]

Wasn't aware they changed the recipe... But still, so? Sorry, but I'll take 15/min frames by using screws any day of the week... (So long as I am at a proper point where I have the higher belt's of course)

But, even then, just lower the end qty

[hard ivy]

Default HMF is an absolutely awful recipe and even before 1.0 there was no reason to use it if you had either of the alts. And 1.0 made it even worse.

[shrewd gyro]

Nooooo blueprints are computer reliant rather than save reliant

[sullen gull]

I mean, it's very doable with the qtys with mk4 as a min belt speed

[hard mantle]

this chainsaw really is contractually mandated fun fun fun

[cunning siren]

Heavy Encased Frame is the most efficient AND removes the need for screws AND is the highest output rate per min out of the 3? Hard to see the value of the others a that point 🤷

[hard ivy]

That doesn't change the fact that it's horrendously expensive

[cunning siren]

OH wait, flexible frame is more output per min 🤔

That one is ok too then

[sullen gull]

Actually, Heavy felxible is the highest output rate

[cunning siren]

And rubber... pffff who cares about that

[sullen gull]

er, with a default steel setup, and the steel screws alt (which you stated to never get, probably because you hate screws) I am failing to see how it's "expenisve". But, we're most likely not going by the same "metric" perhaps....

[rose lintel]

Was deciding whether to start my steel factory or rework my starter factory to be more efficient….the amount of rotors I need for steel production and coal power kinda made the decision for me

[polar leaf]

screws -> bad

[cunning siren]

Just look at the math on Steel Screws + Solid Steel Ingot! It's crazy good for screws and SUPER convenient to use #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

Check that with alu beams + steel screws 😏

[cunning siren]

Do people do that?

[sullen gull]

Why wouldn't they?!

[cunning siren]

[sullen gull]

With 10 constructors, I cam make 4800 screws/min. With the alu ingots being fed by drone even.

[cunning siren]

Seems like if one is at that "stage of the game" there are more efficent uses for the aluminm vs. the steel? IDK I guess every situation is not the same 🤷

[sullen gull]

For me personally. aluminum is very easy to produce. In my current save, I am prducing all 12,300 bauxite, at are others.

But it also depends on ones personal goals too... I'd say with certain "ways of doing things", one could potentially need to use those aluminum ingots elsewhere...

[hard mantle]

i found a mushroom that looks like bacon

[sullen gull]

Collect them. Good for inhalers later.

[hard mantle]

i only found one and its cause theres like a big rock blocking a cave

there was a really small hole that i could look through to get it

how do i break the rock?

cause i cant just mine it

[sullen gull]

With a Noblisk, and later, Expolosive Rebar.

[hard mantle]

nobelisk? is that like a bomb?

[cunning siren]

@nova igloo 🍝 in the crystal caves! That is the ONE location even I use a train 🤷 #screenshots message

[nova igloo]

I barely go in it cuz I cba to deal with the spiders

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message

[cunning siren]

Pretty sure once you build powered machines in there they no longer spawn

[cunning siren]

Neat stuff, inspires me to get creative and do pretty things

[cunning glade]

I'm finally home

I get too continue my rocket fuel plant 🕺

[hard mantle]

bro i had solid biomass crafting while i did something for like 3 minutes and not even 500 was crafted...

why do they have to make it take 10 smacks

[stone python]

Because you can automate it in a constructor

You aren't meant to handcraft a ton of items forong

[hard mantle]

how just like keep putting normal biomass in a storage thing

and then into a constructer?

[stone python]

Yes

You just full up the container to keep the constructor fed

Set it and forget it, for a time

[rose lintel]

So the DNA points in the awesome sink. Are those the remains of the wildlife I murder when I feel sad?

[zenith fractal]

only if you turn their remains into protein then DNA capsules

[spare ice]

Guys are power shards "consumed" when used?

I read that you can move them between stations?

[steady glade]

nope

[rigid glen]

No, they are removable and reuasable

[steady glade]

you can

[spare ice]

AAAAAAW NICE 😄

That changes alot!!!

[rose lintel]

So how smart are the trucks about pathfinding?

[shrewd palm]

not very

they're basically like if you got someone to memorize a route somewhere

[spare ice]

Can someone explain to me what the "shops" do excatly ?

[shrewd palm]

so that they knew where to go

[spare ice]

Are they worth building ?

[shrewd palm]

except you blindfolded them so that they dont have any situational awareness

[shrewd palm]

the awesome shop is how you get all the cosmetics, trophies, additional building pieces, and resources (if you're really broke on one thing you can buy a few stacks of it)

you buy things with coupons, which you get by throwing items into an awesome sink

[spare ice]

Ahhhhhhhh

[rose lintel]

Sooooo….Automated trucks ain’t that great?

[shrewd palm]

they're alright

they're definitely not bad but unless you make your roads wide enough there will be a lot of trouble

[spare ice]

Stupid question, but how do you put stuff into the sink 😛 ?

[shrewd palm]

for a bit of a broader picture this is how i'd rank all the vehicles
S tier: trains and drones
B tier: trucks
C tier: tractors

[shrewd palm]

they have a belt input so anything that can go on a belt can go on a sink

as for what things to put in the sink, that depends

[brave thunder]

can anyone hop into a vc with me and help with my world? im new

[rose lintel]

I just hooked up a container with a belt and toss my excess items in there

[spare ice]

i see thats the way then :d

[rose lintel]

Roads?

[spare ice]

Thank you for responding 😄

[shrewd palm]

they're very useful to get rid of overflowing items, which is particularly useful for getting rid of byproducts
you can also make a coupon factory that makes a couple items and sinks them for coupons
you could also make an overflow splitter with a sink attached at the very end of a production chain to ensure that its always moving
or as previously mentioned use it as a trash can

or if theres a belt that has too much stuff on it and you dont want to add more machines, just connect an awesome sink to it at the end

[shrewd palm]

if you dont want to just have them running around on the ground you'll have to make your own roads

[crisp jetty]

Finally got the water system working for my coal factory, time for Harvard

[shrewd palm]

and unless you build them right trucks have a tendency to fall off, or get deadlocked with each other, or just freak out and get stuck in a wall or something

[spare ice]

GREAT IDEA THANK YOU 😄

[shrewd gyro]

is there a "help I am addicted to satisfactory" helpline? ime 90% joking but I turned the game odd 2 hours ago to get ready for bed and I litrally have not stopped thinking about it

[shrewd palm]

average satisfactory experience

[rose lintel]

How would you make roads? Or is it a later option? I just unlocked steel production

[rigid glen]

covers his 2000 hour plaque

[shrewd gyro]

I even got up to turn my pc back on to play it again but managed to shut it off again

[shrewd palm]

just some foundations wherever you want the trucks to go

[rose lintel]

Oooooo that would be about 900m from one base to the other

[shrewd palm]

(i havent used trucks for a while so dont quote me on this)
i think the bare minimum width for a lane is like 1.5 foundations because thats how wide the trucks are

and you're probably gonna want at least 2 foundations and when you're driving the route make it as straight down the middle as you can

[shrewd gyro]

you can make a 4x4 foundation blueprint so you can get roads with all the decoration and paint then just stamp them down

[shrewd palm]

^^

[shrewd gyro]

they would have tractors at this point and a 2 foundation across road is enough for them to pass each other

[shrewd palm]

if you want a big truck network it would be a very good idea to get some blueprints for straights, corners, intersections, etc going

[rigid glen]

If you're really into the roads idea, I also suggest looking into Blueprints either making your own or using someone else's, it's makes road building (or train building) much easier

[shrewd gyro]

I re-made and edited a bit of "WhatDarrenPlays" roads

[rigid glen]

sorry to be repetitive, I wasn't watching while typing lol

[shrewd gyro]

when he builds road https://youtu.be/_8VLdNDfrEk?list=PLCmmkwcxcfMgdK1ksdW01FpL_qgb4MBiA&t=132

the urge to rebuild my steel factory... (I got too many pipes and not enough beams, so I wanna take half the pipes production and swap it to beams) but I got like 4 other things I need to be doing and on top of that I am not on the game cause I need to sleep

[brave thunder]

can someone help me make an efficient iron farm? im new and very confused but i have enough plates and rods etc to make a decent farm

[shrewd gyro]

though I suppose once my in-cased industrial beams backlog happens they should be fine

[shrewd gyro]

if you have 120/min iron ore, put 60 of that going into plates and 60 into rods, take 30 of the rods and turn them into screws

[shrewd palm]

and then put those all into bins and that will be your iron basics sorted out for a while

[steady glade]

If you're new, it's pretty straightforward to make something efficient, just use the miner to mine, make a line of smelters, and use those ingots to advance

[rigid glen]

You need to decide on whatever short term goal you want (I want a reinforced plate factory for example) and just work backswards fulfilling the factories material needs

[shrewd palm]

also pay very close attention to how much you're producing vs consuming, the game has a calculator you can use by pressing "N" and there are also a handful of factory planners out there

unlike factorio ratios matter (or at least matter more)

[shrewd gyro]

you should get 40/min plates 30/min(60 consume half) rods and 120/min screws. you could only do half the screws until you get tier 2 belts so you have 40/min plates, 45/min rods and 60/min screws so you can put it all into storage

[brave thunder]

okay thanks guys

[shrewd gyro]

if you pop down a constructor it should show you how much you need for how much you get

[spare ice]

By pressing "N", I get the search bar in game :O?

[shrewd palm]

yes

you can search things up in the codex or do math

[rigid glen]

type a math equation, like 24*3 or 1800/45

it shows you the answer underneath

[spare ice]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaa 😄

WOWOWOWOWOW

What a freaking game

[shrewd gyro]

also if you open you inv and click the right side of the screen you open a note taker so you can write down what your doing and it will always be one your screen, especially useful if you get distracted like I do

[shrewd palm]

i dont know how i would live without that

[shrewd gyro]

you can also click the plus icon in your build menu to add it to a to do list, all the materials you'll need will show on the right side of the screen

[shrewd palm]

although that feature is less useful now that we have dimensional depots

[shrewd gyro]

going to stop talking now to stop me skipping sleep for the 3rd day in a row to play more

[shrewd palm]

no no keep going

you can always sleep later

to sleep would be to reduce factory growth

[shrewd gyro]

dimensional depots need mid-late game(phase 3) items which will you can get from drop pod wrecks, is not beginner friendly.

[rigid glen]

Depot should be your 1st priority after setting up your frist coal plant

imo

[shrewd gyro]

nvm was thinking of slooping

[rigid glen]

coal then lots of exploring

[shrewd gyro]

you just need steel for the depo

[rigid glen]

coal/nobelisk/explosive rebar

[shrewd gyro]

nobelisk is what i was in the middle of building, just need to add power and tractor over some pipes

[rigid glen]

I turned off the aggro, so I just handbuild nobes and rebar

[polar leaf]

nah steel

[shrewd gyro]

also all my factories have me give up decorating half way through them... its why my steel plant calls out to be redone

[rigid glen]

I agree, coal/nobes/rebar (which needs steel) then you can explore

[spare ice]

Ty so much for all the tips guys;)

This game is unbelieveable!!!

[rigid glen]

Steel and Coal go hand in hand

[shrewd gyro]

I wanna eleavte them up 8 m and put all the belts under, I can shrink them by having the belts under the machines

[shrewd palm]

be veryc areful with this game

it is very easy to suddenly lose 2 weeks

[spare ice]

Not gonna lie, its to late, bought 2 days ago

25+ hours. Dont ask please

[rigid glen]

huge red flag lol

[shrewd palm]

time travel

[spare ice]

If she asks I just opened the game....!

[shrewd gyro]

wtf https://youtu.be/4iXduT4grbc

[hushed canopy]

anyone up for doing some multiplayer?

[shrewd gyro]

i can do 2 hours, how far in are you

[hushed canopy]

next up is phase 3 mats

everything in the tiers so far is done

[shrewd gyro]

done all phase three milestones?

[hushed canopy]

yeah

got rails etc done

bp 2 aswell

[shrewd gyro]

bit further in than me, I just got onto phase 3

[hushed canopy]

though i need to do a mad factory building spree in the desert

i been working from the original factory so far mostly and it aint gonna cut it moving forward

so wanna hop into a vc?

[shrewd gyro]

sure though I will have to be quite, its 2 am

[hushed canopy]

its aight

[fickle oriole]

once you have railroads, do folks still use hypertunnels? If so what's your typical use scenario?

[white dawn]

Personally I rarely use hypertubes for longer-range transit in the first place, so unlocking trains (or vehicles) doesn't really change my own usage patterns too much

I generally just use hypertubes for in-factory shortcuts

The comparison to rail is a bit difficult, of course, since rail can be used for both logistics and Pioneer transport

[fickle oriole]

ty for the reply. i'm usually the same, though even for in-factory it seems pretty meh

[white dawn]

Prior to the official Elevator, hypertubes were a nice quick transit-between-floors mechanism. :D

(I realize that there are other options too, of course)

[versed mesa]

There issue while using controller and mods Tabs are being hidden and you can scroll down the list to tye tabs Architecture is one of them I really hope this gets fixed apparently its down to the Devs to sort it

[white dawn]

On my factories I tend to end up with a centralish catwalk-based circular staircase thing with hypertubes running in the central "column" area. I'll have to see about incorporating Elevators into that. Maybe get ladders in the mix too

Four different options for moving between floors, all at your fingertips!

[versed mesa]

I hate it when something causes a problem lol

[white dawn]

It's especially silly since once I've unlocked the hoverpack, that's nearly always the inter-floor method I use. Just float up inside the stairwell. :D

Yet I keep on building 'em. So it goes!

[fickle oriole]

Ive become quite the fan of the 'linear motion' mod, it's better IMHO than the in-game elevator. for one thing, has a very nice sense of humor.

[dense violet]

sure, build them under the rail, hop on any time you like. much better than train riding

[narrow canyon]

Or just hover along beside the rail for a leisurely trip

[dense violet]

the point of tubes is ot have to have minimal input to get to where you need

[spice spindle]

Just bought the game and I'm already addicted ><

Its my first game in the factory sim genre

[dense violet]

gl with it! Just keep plugging along and learning the basics. Treat the milestones as a solid tutorial.

[rose lintel]

I’m starting to think 6 impure iron nodes isn’t enough to support an iron factory making plates, rods, screws, reinforced plated, mod frames, rotors, and smart plates

[dense violet]

of course it can. Just depends how much you want in output.

over clock miners as needed

[rose lintel]

Well lemme rephrase. Support efficiently

[dense violet]

pick a number that can be made from X parts per min mined , get that product

[rose lintel]

Once you use a power shard is it a permanent fixture to the machine or will it run out eventually?

[dense violet]

no you can swap them in and out as needed

just an item

[rose lintel]

Oooo good to know. Cause I unlocked steel and coal power but that needs quite a few rotars and the over extension has he cranking out like 1 a minute maybe

[white dawn]

One thing to keep in mind which might be especially important during phase 1 is that overcooking does require more power than host building more machines would

2 machines at 100% use less power than 1 machine at 200%

In the end it's not a terrible difference, bit if you're still on bio power, it might be a factor

[rose lintel]

Got my bio power as automated as possible. 10 generators. And right now the solid biofuel is back up on the belts

2 sets of five. 1 of wood one of leaves

Nearly taking my factory apart and putting it back together. Started drawing parts from one line to others and effiency of assemblers are running 20% or lower cause everything’s over extended

[dense violet]

just focus on unlocking coal power

push forward , you'll probably want to re do everything after anyway

[rose lintel]

It’s unlocked. Just making rotars so slow it will take awhile to get it up an running

Also have a friend who’s thinkin about getting the game. How is co-op play?

[dense violet]

the same?

[versed mesa]

Sorry about that just wanted to do a qu8ck test lol

Just want to adopt the Tag again i had it but i must of removed it by accident lol

[fierce quartz]

trust me, once you get to coal then bio is infinately less effective. I usually just have a set of bio power to jumpstart my coal plants, but not to power my main lines.

[rose lintel]

The coal is REALLY far from my main base right now

[dense violet]

so?
find coal near water. Burn it there

if you're expecting to do everything from your little starter spot get ready to hydrate for all the tears you're gonna shed

[fierce quartz]

early game there is alot of running around to find the right spots, then over time it gets easier and quicker to move resources around. Small automatic setup > Large manual setup

[rose lintel]

So, set up coal power plant near the lake I found an run a wire back to base?

[hushed canopy]

ye just slap a nice coal power production plant near the coal and water, make sure its running at 100% efficiency and hook it up with the big power lines to your main base

when you are building way away the big ones are very nice, and you can zipline on them too and if the angle isnt insane between the cables the zipline will connect pretty much automatically, makes traversing to the plant easier as well

[fierce quartz]

running long lines are annoying to setup, but once power is flowing you can forget about it until its upgrade time.

[dense violet]

I mean sure, but I'd find 3-4 coal nodes next to a water source.

use the nearby coal for steel

[dense violet]

just sprint and slap poles down. Barely takes any longer than just running the distance

[fierce quartz]

I tend to put my coal plants on top of the water so the pumps & pipes dont have to run far

[rose lintel]

Got that exact spot…sorta need to research explosives to clear rock off 2 nodes

But still runs back to I’m making rotors so slow right now and those are needed for both steel and coal power

[fierce quartz]

whats the part thats slowing rotor production? is it resources or just the time it takes the assembler?

then work back for how to speed that part up

[hushed canopy]

good way to do it yeah, im probaply 50 or so hours in and worked up a very neatly done coal plant, next up is a fuel plant and a proper spot for most of my production, im making a mad big factory in the desert for various things

[fierce quartz]

desert factory is good, last play-though I made a mega factory & station for frames/ oscillators/computers and a few other things. the place looked crazy with all the conveyor belts

[rose lintel]

The resources. I’ve seriously over extended my screw distribution

[dense violet]

do basic math and that won't happen

or use a planner

[dense violet]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[fierce quartz]

I'd either add a few more lines for other resources or stockpile then switch them off and use that power for other lines.

[rose lintel]

Speaking of screws it seems I don’t need a huge stockpile of them (well for now.) If I line up two splitters to attach to a belt feeding as assembler the assembler should get 2/3 of the screws and the container 1/3 right?

[fierce quartz]

or you can just put a container onto the line into the assembler, the assembler will only draw as much as it needs and the rest will just sit in the container

then as it fills up, switch the screws off and switch to another resource to conserve power

[shrewd palm]

ngl once you start getting alts you will almost never need screws

i think the only building they're used in is the awesome shop but i might be wrong

and with alt recipes you can competely remove screws from most things, and if not there are recipes that make screws dirt cheap

[rose lintel]

Oh so I can just put a belt from the full container to an assembler and still have some there if needed

[fierce quartz]

Screws -> container -> assembler

[white dawn]

The only building that uses screws, that you make with your build gun, is the AWESOME shop

There's a couple of other bits of equipment that you make once in the Equipment Workshop which need screws, too, but that's it

Just a couple of stacks of screws will likely last you for the whole game

[shrewd palm]

although if you want to embrace masochism use as many screws as possible

give every factory a mk6 belt of screws

use recipes that need the most screws

[fierce quartz]

produce more screws then belts can hold

[rose lintel]

Alt recipes are unlocked through the MAM?

[shrewd palm]

theres gotta be someone out there thats done that

[shrewd palm]

yes

you get them by picking up hard drives found in crash sites and then decrypting them in the MAM

once its been opened it will have 2 alt recipes and you have to pick one, although if you dont like any of them you can reroll it once

[crisp jetty]

do i have to make a modded ip in order for multiplayer mods? or if both players have the same mods can they play together on a steam/epic server?

[shrewd palm]

and you can also hold on to opened hard drives that still have the recipes to take those recipes out of the pool

[thick oak]

Okay people harp on screws but some of the screw based recipes are required to make the most items/minute out of single machines. Like bolted plates and frames are to die for they're so fast.

[shrewd gyro]

those consume more iron than otherwise so you get less overall plates

[thick oak]

Yes but Fast.

[shrewd palm]

also you have to deal with screws

[shrewd gyro]

you may as well just build another 2 constructors

[vestal hill]

THIS

[glass siren]

i got 8 turbo mortors from lizard dogo on brand new save and it was the first loot gotten from them he a good boy

[rose lintel]

Ok so what I’m interpreting is since I have the awesome sink built I no longer need a screw machine dedicated to storing them for later use. I can direct them straight to assemblers

[shrewd gyro]

for 120 iron/min [default gets you 10/min] [stitched (with iron wire) gets you 13.7872/min] [bolted gets you 9.1139/min]

[thick oak]

The point here is that it's all done by one assembler.

[crisp jetty]

is there any use for automated wiring besides fixit milestones

not milestones but the space elevator

[shrewd gyro]

there used to build more complex assembly parts items too

also they give you a decent amount of awesome sink points

[shrewd gyro]

you wanna know the totals of each that you'll need?

[crisp jetty]

oh nah mb

i was just seeing what they were used for i havent unlocked them yet

[shrewd gyro]

all the stuff that you put into it is useful, so if you automate them and then turn them off you would have a decent supply of the other stuff you need

[tropic juniper]

imo its better to only build screws on demand. that way you never have too many or too less. it's much easier to feed a location with more iron or steel than to bring more screws in

[merry perch]

you need it for the next phase of space elevator for a part

[vestal hill]

What I’m planning to do is make a factory with manual input so that I can give it the exact amount it needs for the parts and then it can stay inactive the rest of the time

[merry perch]

and you need that part for a space elevator part phase too

[merry perch]

this is the way to go for space elevator parts ngl

unless you need such a massive amount of something

[shrewd gyro]

thats 10's of thousands of items at the higher tier

[vestal hill]

I can always hook up a belt or a vehicle if I’m that lazy

[merry perch]

yeah it'll work for the first couple ones

dont you need 5k pasta for the last phase

[vestal hill]

Haven’t seen 4 & 5 resource requirements yet so

[merry perch]

you can get away with doing it for four i believe

[vestal hill]

I’ll see

[merry perch]

phase four right?

oh its not 5k pasta its 1k

[zenith pecan]

It's worth keeping some pasta production going just to power late game transport as it needs sing cells.

[merry perch]

i regret looking at the phase 5 costs

thats a lot of stuff

[zenith pecan]

Good to know though since you can plan ahead, make a lot of smaller plans in https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production and combine the results at a later time.

[vestal hill]

Phase 5 is the final one right?

[merry perch]

yes

[zenith pecan]

Yeah.

[merry perch]

i guess

[vestal hill]

I’m scared

[merry perch]

im taking a break from the game rn

once i come back ill start making the factories

[zenith pecan]

That piecemeal planning is what let me build my old nuclear production & processing plant that was spread accross 27 different buildings that ate the grasslands.

[merry perch]

its like math it all builds off of the lower stuff

[vestal hill]

This sounds like a good time

[merry perch]

idk if you care ab spoilers but dont dismantle phase 4 factories

[vestal hill]

I ain’t dismantling nothing

[merry perch]

been playing too much mc lately

[vestal hill]

W

[merry perch]

i dismantle some stuff

it depends

[zenith pecan]

I often dismantle to build bigger as I get more unlocks.

[merry perch]

like once i have the required amount of adaptive control units for phases that factory is getting scrapped

partially at least because i need the computers and chips

[zenith pecan]

Just make even more, you can scale up hardcore in this game 🙂

[merry perch]

ig

copper powder sounds fun to farm

or produce

[vestal hill]

Yeah once I get heavy modular frames I’ll probably merge iron plates, reinforced plates, mod frames and reinforced frames into one

[shrewd palm]

waiter waiter more pure copper ingot refineries please

[merry perch]

dont remind me ab heavy modular frames

[zenith pecan]

I'll be redoing all that and have a merged permanent smart plate plant as a part of it.

[merry perch]

cant wait to scrap that whole part of my factory (cope)

[vestal hill]

What’s the recipe

[merry perch]

hassle

[vestal hill]

Do share

[merry perch]

ima be honest they arent the worst rn because i have higher tier conveyors

[shrewd palm]

2 of the recipes need a lot of screws, all 3 have really weird numbers

[merry perch]

but 480/min isnt enough for the screws

[vestal hill]

Right let me Google this

[merry perch]

its honestly not the worst besides the screws

steel pipes kinda suck bc i set it up using not iron pipes

[shrewd palm]

honestly i dont really understand the HMF hate

like they're not that bad once you've done them a couple times

[merry perch]

the hate for me comes from the amount of conveyors i had to make

[shrewd palm]

pressure conversion cubes however

[merry perch]

once you get aluminum belts theyre easy

[vestal hill]

OH COME ON

[merry perch]

i cant wait for lategame

pressure conversion cubes are so much fun

[dense violet]

Uhhh you might be playing the wrong genre here…

[merry perch]

for one resource

it js took me a while

out of the like ~20 hours it took me to make my acu factory probably 2-4 of that was spent on screw production

[vestal hill]

So for HMF I need steel AND iron factories?

[merry perch]

hard drives

do hard drives

[vestal hill]

Alternates?

[dense violet]

depends on your recipes

[merry perch]

steel pipes can only cost iron

[vestal hill]

THEY CAN?

[merry perch]

trust me hard drives are your friend

[dense violet]

they are very expensive in iron

[merry perch]

its worth it

[dense violet]

I think Iron is a trash resource to be used everywhere, Iron pipes is too expensive.

5x the cost

[vestal hill]

What about beams

[merry perch]

its a 4:1 ratio

100 in 25 pipes out

per min

[vestal hill]

Oh dang just from ingots?

[merry perch]

it is 100 ingots though

[vestal hill]

I’m using like 340 for my steel factory atm

[merry perch]

if you make your hmf factory near coal just use coal

[vestal hill]

Yeah I might as well honestly

[dense violet]

Try solid steel ingots. Excellent efficiency, and coal is everywhere

[vestal hill]

Now I see the mega factory appeal

[dense violet]

only if you don't care about a giant mess

[vestal hill]

I guess I need to go out exploring for another 6 hours lol

[zenith pecan]

I ended up using compact steel because of how I processed the byproducts from my power station, end result, 4800 steel ingots.

[merry perch]

mega factories are still kind of a big mess ngl just you spend hours organizing the mess

[dense violet]

the game does force yo uto expand

[vestal hill]

No im saying just for the hard driges

[dense violet]

I'd just sink it at that point.

[merry perch]

mega factories are like a controlled burning

[zenith pecan]

Why when I'd need steel elsewhere and the resources were right next to the power station for further processing?

[merry perch]

btw are drones really that useful that i should use all of blue lake to make fuel for them?

turbofuel or whatever you use i lowk forgot

[dense violet]

drones are basically a teleporter

[merry perch]

so yes

[dense violet]

because 10 steel pm per machine 😛

[merry perch]

bc my bomb factory is there and i like my bombs

[leaden turret]

satisfactory has no 📺, is just freightporter

[vestal hill]

Your pfp looks like catan

[zenith pecan]

Overclocked to 200%, 240 machines spread accross 4 floors, in 4 aisles each, it was a straight forward build that made use of what would otherwise been an epic waste.

[dense violet]

I wouldn't be producing the compacted waste in the first place xD

[zenith pecan]

The nitro rocketfuel did that.

[dense violet]

my point made

[zenith pecan]

🤷‍♂️

[cunning siren]

On average drones do not require a massive fuel build to support them. The more frequently one uses them and the fuel "quality" one feeds them are also factors to this statement. "Eventually" even if one makes a "tiny" plutonium fuel build drones become "virtually fuel independent". A "hand fed" drone port from a max depot (250 plutonium fuel) lasts a drone a LOOOOOOoong time https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Drone

250 plutonium fuel is equivalent to 52,083 Packaged Rocket Fuel in fuel value. That's equivalent to ~10.8 full containers of rocket fuel! Enough to last the entire game for most folks runs

[cosmic adder]

#screenshots message working to make it look good

Second floor time

[wintry carbon]

how many coal power should i set up to survive until i can get fuel? i unlocked all to lvl 4. but want to build fbrics first for all parts. 1 basic fabric for iron copper and cement untill iron plates pipes screws. concrete cable and copper roll. after that dedicated fabrics for all other advanced stuff.

[grim ermine]

Depends how big you wanna build between now and fuel

I managed off of only 24

[shy mulch]

it's perfectly possible to do on 8, or even less if you still have some biomass burning, use more if you want to build more production to get through things faster, completely depends on your style of play

[wintry carbon]

got 8 atm, thought to set up one for 12 water pumps.

[shy mulch]

12 water extractors would feed 32 coal plants

[wintry carbon]

that would be 40 in total then. is it enough? 😁

[shy mulch]

see my previous message

[zenith pecan]

My common goal is 32 coal generators at max now.

[grim ermine]

32 is plenty

Might be worth overclocking them?

[shy mulch]

anywhere between 0 and 80 is reasonable, I've skipped coal completely...

[grim ermine]

How is that even possible

[zenith pecan]

Not worth clocking since they are at best transitory and also trivial to build.

[wintry carbon]

i quess i go for 40 if i can get enough coal. got 4 normal coal places close by.

[shy mulch]

how is what possible?

[grim ermine]

I was using like 4GW before coal

How can you skip coal

[shy mulch]

because you built more production than necessary

perfectly valid way to play if you want to proceed faster

but it's not needed

[grim ermine]

True

[zenith pecan]

I did in the past build a 96 coal generator plant, its output was enough to kick start my entire turbofuel power station back in the day, not recommended. #screenshots message

[shy mulch]

In my current playthrough I've got my entire production running off 27 biomass burners, working on a new facility with 80 biomass burners atm, that will see me through to end of phase 4, I reckon

[wintry carbon]

i got 6 storage for now for each product i make. should be enought to expand building into later stage.

[wintry carbon]

why spend time on getting leaf and trees for that?

[shy mulch]

I enjoy the challenge of needing to keep my production small and efficient, if I don't then I am automatically punished with the need to collect more stuff. I've already done it the opposite way of creating way too much power, and I wanted a different challenge this time

[wintry carbon]

o, its my first game, been playing 2 weeks now, about 100h already 🤣

[grim ermine]

I had like 20 biomass burners and was still struggling to keep up

[shy mulch]

In my previous save I went big on power first, so I could make big production without worrying about running out of power, but I went overboard. Sinking 80 million points per minute for coupons, running low on available nodes in the world, and still got 600 GW of power unused...

So I decided to do the exact opposite this time

[wintry carbon]

i only got 1 biogas for making fuel for my jetpack wich i for some reason had very early in game.

i try to unlock all stuff in the shop to be able to build nice stuff, got lot of ideas.

[shy mulch]

yes unlocking things in the shop and in the MAM is good to help you progress faster 🙂

well, the MAM is generally functional stuff, the shop is generally cosmetics and time saving things

[shy mulch]

sounds like you're enjoying it

[grim ermine]

First thing to buy is 1000 coupon golden nut

[wintry carbon]

i really do, got addicted 😂

[wintry carbon]

why? do you get something extra?

[grim ermine]

No...

Its a statue. It looks cool (dont actually buy it)

[cunning siren]

Awwww, at least the Goat Music tape is FREE! 🤔 Did not notice that

[grim ermine]

I love the DRG tape

[cunning siren]

OH yea, I have yet to get the DRG tape in this run

[simple mango]

Oil products make brain hurty

[grim ermine]

It isnt that bad

What are you struggling with?

[cunning siren]

Maybe I'll buy golden nut when I've purchased "everything" else 🤔

[grim ermine]

Ive got most useful things so I might start saving up

[simple mango]

I want to export Plastic and Rubber into my train network, and have their output be extensible relatively simply so that I can just bolt on more to meet demand.

Plus I have the recycled recipes, so that doesn't make that anyless complex to brain out

[grim ermine]

Expandable factories can be hard to set up

🟨

[cunning siren]

I'm all about modular builds, pretty hard not to play this way

[grim ermine]

Instead of building one place to build all of what I need I will just make more where I need it separate to any other place making the same thing

[simple mango]

I mean that's my thought for other things, I just don't want to be shipping oil around.

[hard ivy]

They aren't difficult to set up if you do it right. Though figuring out that correct setup does take some thinking

[cunning siren]

I forgot how much I enjoy goat music

[simple mango]

Hmm default recipes for plastic and rubber with coke closing the loop and also being exported? I did just get electrode scrap...

[hard ivy]

Default plastic and rubber is extremely inefficient. You get 4.5x less per m³ of oil put in

[simple mango]

4.5x less efficient than what?

[hard ivy]

Recycling + DF + HOR

[grim ermine]

How else can you do it?

[shy mulch]

Recycled plastic and recycled rubber alts, feedback into each other, makes it massively more efficient to make lots of plastic and rubber from relatively little oil

It is a bit of a headache to set up, but it's worth it

[hard ivy]

Eh, it's really not if you know how

Though it very much can be if you don't

[simple mango]

Hmmm Heavy Oil -> Diluted Fuel -> Recycled Plastic/Rubber might actual be a buildable module.

[shy mulch]

I knew exactly how, have done it several times, but when doing multiple feedback loops it's naturally going to be a bit trickier to balance than a straight production line
https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1425750074151010354 this was my most recent attempt, done a couple months ago, fast to build but then spent about 2 days getting the balancing right

[simple mango]

s2g Polymer Resin's entire existence is just to be disappointing.

[clever stone]

I’ve achieved phase 4 and wow that’s a lot of new factories to make

I’ve set up a working combo aluminum and battery factory but I’ll probably have to build more of them

Speaking of batteries, are they useful at all or can I just fill my drones with coal and call it a day

[reef basin]

both options are fine

[simple mango]

They're used in a Supercomputer alt recipe, but otherwise they're just fuel.

[reef basin]

depends on what you want

[simple mango]

A stack of coal is 30GJ of energy, and a stack of batteries is 1200 GJ.

[reef basin]

also drones fly faster with better fuels

[hard ivy]

Judging by how it's laid out, I'm not sure you know what the easiest setup looks like

[simple mango]

Note: Putting nuclear fuel in your drones might sound like a good idea, but only if you like being randomly irradiated every time one flies over you.

[hard ivy]

I don't think the drones themselves are radioactive if fueled by fuel rods. Unless you're talking about moving fuel rods as cargo, then yes

[sterile blade]

Which isn't really a big issue given how health now always recovers ^^

[shy mulch]

I've never used batteries for drones, is it really worth setting that up early rather than waiting and just doing rocket fuel

[shy mulch]

Show yours

[reef basin]

depends on your definition of "worth" 🙂

[hard ivy]

On hand I only have a modeler screenshot #math-and-meta message

Basically, the entire thing is set up in separate modules that take oil and spits out x plastic and/or y rubber

The setup is small enough that the total amount of rubber and plastic handled inside is less than can fit on one belt, and the output is split from that with priority splitters

Then that entire setup is repeated until the desired output is reached.

Each one self-starts thanks to the residual rubber, and thanks to the loops being less than 1 belt total, any output ratio is achievable as long as the main output is allowed to back up (if both rubber and plastic flow freely, the default ratio is 4:5, as in Modeler)

[cunning siren]

My first try at "fancy" rubber and plastic may be what you are describing? 🤔 It just "seemed like the proper way" to me 🤷 #screenshots message

[hard ivy]

You're sinking the resin which means you lose some efficiency and self-start capability but other than that, it looks good

[cunning siren]

Yea, I wanted to slowly watch it start 🤷

[sterile blade]

My setup is (arguably) simpler and decoupled from fuel production/residual rubber: plastic and rubber refineries side by side, output merged and smart-split to feed the inputs; overflow becomes output

Rather than having to fit each "side" of the production (plastic or rubber) to match aviable belt speeds, one can repeat the 2-machines setup however many times they want, merging as they like along the way

(Ofc, so long as there's enough Fuel being provided)

[cunning siren]

Is there a volume slider for the build gun or something? That "boom" sound on construction is LOUD

[dense violet]

perfection

[dusky plume]

I don't understand, isn't this a screenshot of it working and balanced right? You got fuel and water, you got refiners washing up rubber, you got your plastic in a row catching and delivering rubber between the rubber sections... What did you do wrong? This is all from two nodes?

[shy mulch]

What do you mean by 'what did you do wrong', nothing?

[dusky plume]

Didn't think so. Is this running off biogens too? 😛

[shy mulch]

God no, that is in my main save. Building on this scale would be too power hungry for biomass

[rose lintel]

i forget, how do i build i line of things like foundations?

[hard ivy]

zoop

[eternal swallow]

wait whats the overflow balencing thing called again

lol

[green fiber]

Smart Splitter...?

[cunning siren]

Are there other objects that the wall mounted wall outlets attach to besides painted beam and walls?

[hard ivy]

Iirc wall outlets attach to ceilings as ceiling outlets

[cunning siren]

😆 what makes a ceiling vs. a floor? 🤔

[hard ivy]

Idk, they don't attach to floors. Only upside down to ceilings and sideways to walls

[cunning siren]

Yea, i have to cheese to get em in the floors, seems like a silly mechanic to me

[unkempt blade]

I think they attach to foundations or at least the bottom of the foundation

[cunning siren]

Yea but not the double ones? Have to clip painted beam into foundation THEN it works! 😆

My solution to needing screws for mah beloved Copper Rotors #screenshots message

[unkempt blade]

I like that BP as is but it'd look even better if they let us daisy chain power between machines

could just have one straight line down through those constructors if that were allowed

[cunning siren]

I don't really care much about aesthetics currently AND that is slowly changing as I experiment more 🤔

[unkempt blade]

power always felt like it takes a lot more effort than either pipes or conveyors to make look nice in this game

but I may just be used to wireless power in other factory games

[cunning siren]

They let us do it with power storage so... Yea IDK strange choice

[real shale]

Power.....

I have once again been summoned

[real shale]

No. Just no.

[unkempt blade]

You here to actually explain your opinion or just be that guy? 😉

[real shale]

My opinion happens to be fact and that is that wireless power on a grid scale will never work

[true mulch]

still sad we didn't get power through foundations

[real shale]

👼

[unkempt blade]

why?

please explain this fact to me

[real shale]

Okay, so for starters, wireless communication would be gone.

So much cross interference with grid scale wireless power you'd never be able to get any signal through the copious amounts of noise

[unkempt blade]

this is a soft sci fi game...

[real shale]

Oh I thought you meant realistic opinion to me saying no to wireless power

[unkempt blade]

nah like you handwave it away and call it "alien wireless power transmission" or something if there's not a game reason for it not to exist

[real shale]

I mean yeah in game sure, I was saying no because it's a cursed idea in reality

It's one of those bad omens like "free energy"

[eternal swallow]

train blueprints attatch to eachother now right?

[real shale]

Yeah

Only in auto connect mode though for the railways

[grand otter]

Hello, I have not played since early January, and didnt really finish my playthrough. (I got to nuclear power, but didnt set it up). I kinda want to start a new game, but I am not sure about all the new features and patches. It is alot to read. Can someone maybe tell me about any new NEED TO KNOW stuff and if there is something I should be aware of before starting a new game? Thanks in advance, love you all.

[unkempt blade]

It's really just been the 1.1 features in that time range. #patch-notes would have summaries

[grand otter]

ok thanks

[cunning glade]

When do we get weather

That's what I want

A thunderstorm would go fire inside my factory

[eternal swallow]

is there an easy way to mirror a blueprint

[violet walrus]

Hey that's us 👀 (I'm the Horse CM and I'm here lurking around)

[dense violet]

build a mirror of it

[eternal swallow]

😭 🙏 on some 2+2=4 type shii

[real shale]

I hope it wouldn't go fire inside your factory, that would be bad, fires and factories do not go well together

[cunning glade]

Ur power smart

Is packaging fuel better

Cuz with my rocket fuel plant I could just tube in the fuel or use the packaged

For the drones there

[real shale]

Depends, do you mean for transporting it elsewhere or is this more local?

[cunning glade]

It would just be very like peaceful icaurs does this very well with there weather system and audio tbh

[cunning glade]

Just the drones at the rocket plant

[real shale]

I don't fully understand the context of what it is you are asking, because you can only use packaged fuel for drones anyway

[cunning glade]

Oh I saw in a video someone just piping it in

Noted then

[ashen belfry]

Probably some mods

[cunning glade]

Fair

Man making 5k rocketfuel takes a sec

I wouldn't say it's that difficult but we will see

[versed mesa]

💪

[cunning glade]

Okay I built 2 things on world grid but they don't wanna align vertically cool

[ashen belfry]

Guess you used 2m or 4m high platforms for 1 building and 1m for the other. They don't align then.

[cunning glade]

Uh no it's all 4m foundation frames

[ashen belfry]

That's weird then

Did you use 1m maybe as starting platform?

[versed mesa]

Most mods ive installed makes tabs disappear now walls tab has disappeared not happy about that tbh

[hard ivy]

They fixed that issue iirc

[hard ivy]

The grid snapping points are every 1m vertically, regardless of foundation thickness

[spare ice]

How do you guys tackle the poison spores when collecting power slugs?

[hard ivy]

Explosives. And before that, healing items

[versed mesa]

S9 ive got no Architecture and walls tabs or atleast i cant scroll to them because they no where tobe seen smh

[cunning glade]

Gas mask too right

[hard ivy]

Why bother lol

[cunning glade]

Cuz most of the time u have it on u anyway

[hard ivy]

I have the nobelisks on me at all times too

[cunning glade]

Fair I have been meaning too grab more

[hard ivy]

Later explosive rebar as well. It's faster to shoot and easier to aim

[spare ice]

I see 😉

Still got some way to go then 😄

[versed mesa]

Apparently its using controller is the issue like how could controller cause the issue its really down to mod Authors because one or two seam to work fine but not sure if one of those are also the cause of walls tab disappearing or not its possible its going tobe probably those mods that adds extra to like walls and Architecture ect

[cunning glade]

So many blenders man

Dang blenders are power hungry

[hard ivy]

Aren't they only 75 MW?

[cunning glade]

Well when I'm placing 100 of them it kinda adds up

Just have too figure out the nitric acid

[versed mesa]

So ive bought keyboard with touchpad and hopefully all mods work fine and hope they get fixed and not have the issues while using controller

[cunning glade]

And then connect everything and place the gens then slug hunting

I need more blenders

[versed mesa]

Lmfao

[cunning glade]

Also they take up space

This platform is a lot wider than I wanted

[versed mesa]

Yeah am talking to my self lmfao

[cunning glade]

I think soon it's dab and deadlock time

As I like what I have but I wanna come back with a fresh mind and make sure I'm happy with it

Oh also need too figure out water

Only need 4 pipes 3 at 600 tho

[versed mesa]

Right now its war unhappy time lmfao

[cunning glade]

On the bright side gas doesn't have headlift 🕺🕺

[real shale]

I love how this is a sentence you can say in this game, just casually aren't they only 75000000 watts

[versed mesa]

Nah because it gives it self its own lift lol

[cunning glade]

In the end I'll be making 650mw x500 I think

I didn't do the end number cuz I wanted it as a surprise

[versed mesa]

Would 75 be mila watt or mega watt ?

[real shale]

Mega

capital M is mega, small m in Milli

[versed mesa]

Really I thought a mil watt lmfao

[cunning glade]

Wait when does one unlock nitric acid

[real shale]

Yeah no, in this game we casually scoff at 75 MW like it's nothing

[cunning glade]

I thought I had it

[versed mesa]

Phase 4

[cunning glade]

Well ik that

Ah I see

I just didn't unlock the last one

[versed mesa]

Lol

[versed mesa]

Sure you do

Bye off to sleep for abit

[cunning glade]

Okay with gas being a thing mk3 pipes should've been a thing

[real shale]

If people already pull their hair out at not getting 600m3 from their MK2 pipes, imagine the stress from people complaining about mk3

[reef basin]

nothing in the game needs more than 600/min

[unkempt blade]

yeah I think we should skip straight to mk4 pipes instead

[cunning glade]

Well per one machine no

But would be nice so I can fit more machines on one pipe

[dense violet]

as a classic australian saying goes, 'drink a cup of concrete and harden the fuck up'

[cunning glade]

And same for moving them some distances

[dense violet]

it's almost like a game about logistical problem solving and design has logistical / design problems to solve

[reef basin]

well, even if we put aside the "engine limitations make it impossible to go above mk2" problem we know they have, it's still a game mechanic that you have to work around, for example by putting machines in front of the source instead of moving it far and complaining it's a lot of pipes

[cunning glade]

I'm just saying mk3 pipes would be nice moving this 2k nitro it would be nice if just 2 pipes 🤷

[dense violet]

don't move 2k nitro long distances is also an easy solution 🙂

that is easily designed around.
instead of just having every single possible design issue pre solved for you

[hard ivy]

It could've been 1 train too

[cunning glade]

Well I need the nitro 🤷 also idk how far it is

[dense violet]

design aroudn it 🙂

you can always choose where you place factories

[cunning glade]

No cuz then I have too bring all the fluids up

[dense violet]

do you? package it then.