satisfactory

[west crown]

Note that if he wants do empty from inventory, the sink needs not only power, but an empty storage with the highest tier belt connected to it that he can put stuff in.
It's not super apparent in-game tho

[cunning siren]

Maybe IDK, not for what I'm doin' 🤷

[dusky plume]

Long answer, plastic is less fuel efficient than other recipees, so plastic is more rare. There's always more oil, but if there's a way to make use of the quartz nodes other than make windows.... Silica is just a constructor away!

[plain osprey]

I mean yeah I guessed he is able to do that, doesn't have to be the highest tier tho

[cosmic adder]

how do i ger car out of waterr

[plain osprey]

Delete it

And place it back

[cosmic adder]

oh right

thanks

[plain osprey]

Np

[cursive totem]

i am slowly getting the hang of fixing failing rail crossing signals

but my god please fix this @CS 😭

it shouldnt be this hard to set up signals

[cunning siren]

DO want an awesome sink big enough to drive a train into 🤔

Dump the whole train in one go

[cursive totem]

shapez2 type shit

[cunning siren]

Have to remake train though 🤔

[clever stone]

Good timezone chat

[cunning glade]

How many batteries should I make for drones if I plan too use them quite a bit

[cursive totem]

dont, use trains

[clever stone]

I haven’t gotten to drones yet but I plan on using them for sections of my general main area where it’s too compact to use any other transport option

Like from one far end to the other

[cunning glade]

Trains suck for small stuff

[cursive totem]

whats small stuff

[cunning glade]

I'm using drones and trains cuz why not?

Computer hmf stuff u don't make a lot of normally

Space ele parts

[clever stone]

With that being said though, I did finally start revamping my tractor routes with an actual highway #screenshots message

it was a pane in the glass to get the automatic path properly set up but it’s probably so much more worth it in the long run

[hard ivy]

Why batteries?

[cunning glade]

Don't they need batteries?

I swear I looked and they did

[hard ivy]

Blame 1.1. it added a very annoying glitch. Signals were much easier in 1.0

[cursive totem]

oh really? i didnt know that. at least that gives me hope it might be fixed again

[hard ivy]

They can use batteries. But it's not the only fuel they take

[cursive totem]

like signals are very simple to understand conceptually, its just those bugs that really make them difficult

[cunning glade]

Looking at the options I like batteries

[hard ivy]

I consider them the 2nd or 3rd worst fuel but sure
It's not like they're awful or unusable

[cunning glade]

Well I don't have ionized fuel

Nor the nuclear stuff

[rose lintel]

How smart are the storage containers? Like if I hook up a few of them to my elevator and I have loaded several items in then will they send what the elevator wants or whatever’s first on line?

[clever stone]

They are dumb

[cursive totem]

"what the elevator wants"? how does it even know?

[clever stone]

I’ve had a lot of problems dealing with how they go about item distribution, I wish I could just directly attach a smart splitter to the output ports of storage things

[cursive totem]

i dont understand, put a belt on the output and a smart splitter on it

[clever stone]

Yeah but then it can clog

[hard ivy]

Rocket fuel is generally considered the most reasonable fuel, though turbo is also decent and much easier to make

Plutonium rods are the best by far but realistically you only use those if you already have a nuke plant.

[cursive totem]

ah right ok

[cunning glade]

Turbo is worse batterys are super easy and rocket are the same as batteries basically

[hard ivy]

You can just put them in by hand when you have enough

[cunning glade]

And don't have nuke plant yet

[hard ivy]

Rocket is significantly cheaper and easier than batteries (except the nitrogen)

[cursive totem]

couldnt you loop it back? like

storage -> smart splitter -> [item you want] ------>
  ^                      `-> [overflow] -
  |______________________________________|

[cunning glade]

I mean it doesn't seem the expensive

[tropic furnace]

What about the sulfur

[clever stone]

I’m gonna hold onto this for tomorrow just so I can test it out in an isolated thing

It’s 5am I’ve satisfied my factory enough today

Thank you though!

[hard ivy]

Rocket's still cheaper

[cunning glade]

See but the difference is for rocket I have too build everything for batteries I just train everything in

It only starts getting pricey around 200/min

But idk how overkill that is or underkill

Ig it might work for now till I get nuclear

[clever stone]

I mean I’m still on the fuel stage

I’ve got one lone truck braving the west coast to bring back fuel only for my jetpack

I would have it transport fuel for refineries but I’ve already piped it to the main base

Which honestly? Probably much less of a headache than the truck method

[reef basin]

see, the thing with SF is that you can play it in any way you want and don't have to listen to people telling you to play their way 🙂

[cunning glade]

Ik

I just wanted a decent estimate for battery/min

[reef basin]

that estimate is between 0 and infinity based on how many drones you'll build and what the journeys will be like

[cunning glade]

And it's 5 per drone right?

Or how exactly does it work

[reef basin]

no, that depends on distance and other factors

[cunning glade]

I see

[reef basin]

basically you build the route and then check how much it uses

[cunning glade]

Noted

[reef basin]

so just build some amount, you can always build more if you run out

[hard ivy]

Iirc it takes some fuel to take off and then a set number/min or something like that. But because of the takeoff fuel (and taking time to land), it doesn't take the same average amount /min when distance is different

[cursive lily]

Is this an okay plastic/rubber/fuel setup for the start of tier 5? https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production/index/json/{"Desc_LiquidFuel_C"%3A"400"%2C"Desc_Plastic_C"%3A"60"%2C"Desc_Rubber_C"%3A"60"%2C"input"%3A{"Desc_Water_C"%3A"180"%2C"Desc_LiquidOil_C"%3A"450"}%2C"altRecipes"%3A["Recipe_ResidualFuel_C"%2C"Recipe_ResidualPlastic_C"%2C"Recipe_ResidualRubber_C"%2C"Recipe_Alternate_HeavyOilResidue_C"]}

I was going to use the fuel to power the rest of the tier

[reef basin]

I'm pretty sure that anything oil-related in SCIM would be crap, it can't deal with byproducts and loops, so it can't show you many of the commonly used layouts

[hard ivy]

5 GW isn't a lot of power

And yeah, that calculator is pretty awful. This whole thing could've been 180 oil with the right alts. And SCIM can't even show you those altts

[cursive lily]

Its more than 5x of what i have now. So its more of an momentary expansion to also get started on the plastic/rubber

[cursive lily]

Huh okay. I have not seen any other calcs. And i dont got alot of alternative recipies atm 🤔

[cursive lily]

Can you show the 180 oil solution?

[hard ivy]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=CUxe5VcDggBCEGvnQzOt

[cursive lily]

You use packager and the alternative recipe diluted packaged fuel?

The packagers require plastic and rubber which i dont have yet 🤔

[hard ivy]

Without packagers, what you figured out earlier is the next best thing

Frankly, for a first, simple setup, base recipes aren't terrible

But I'd wait to build a fuel plant until I have diluted packaged fuel

[cursive lily]

Im kinda at the intermission solution atm. My goal is a decent rocketfuel power plant. But right now i need plastic and rubber and some power.

To get through the tiers 😅

[shy mulch]

With the right alts, 600 oil turned into rocket fuel will be enough to get you through to endgame

[bronze atlas]

agreed, im only turning 300 into rocket fuel and im done all the research except 1 in tier 9. Only starting to think about making a nuclear plant just to scale up the end game power hungry machines

[cursive lily]

Yeah i will build a whole new powerplant for that. I just want a situational solution to my current position to start rubber and plastic for like a adaptive control unit / minute and maybe 4 modular engines per minute. And enough power for that etc

[grim ermine]

I dont think 144GW is enought to get to endgame

[cunning glade]

Heatsinks are good yes cuz that would be the only other thing I use sheeting for

[hard ivy]

They aren't used in any building iirc

Also, heat exchanger alt uses casings

[cunning glade]

Yeah seeing that now

[dense violet]

I did it on 27gw

don't sloop your PAs and it's easy

[cunning glade]

So I really could just have my sheeting make batteries

Also u can use multiple power augs?

[dense violet]

sure, but duping things is kinda lame imo

[hard ivy]

Make sure you use the alt if you're making batts. The default is horrible to work with lol

[cunning glade]

Oh ik

Well ik too use the alt

[hard ivy]

You can have as many as you can build

[cunning glade]

I see

[cunning glade]

Wym

Also why do the power augs have an input am I missing something or will I find out later

[grim ermine]

Im using more than that before completing phase 3 😔

Nothing overclocked and like 2 machines slooped

[hard ivy]

It's a tier 9 thing

[shy mulch]

I finished it with half that

[cunning glade]

Noted ty

[grim ermine]

I guess you can finish it but surely itd take forever if your only making small amounts of things

[hard ivy]

People are finishing the game several times faster than me and I'm making a shit ton of stuff

[cunning glade]

Well yeah I do but I try too avoid them

Hence why I never made progress before 1.0

Just needed around with steel alot

[shy mulch]

Depends how important rushing is. I spent a lot of time 'waiting' for stuff to produce, but I didn't waste that time, I went exploring, collecting hard drives, sloops etc

[limpid creek]

the goal is to have fun so just build and enjoy spaghetti factory eheh

[grim ermine]

Fair enough. I just love to make massive factories so I guess it depends from person to person on their own play style

[uneven path]

Working on a heavy modular frame factory right now and the amount of stuff I need in order to make 8 per minute is wild 🤣

[hard ivy]

Use alts and it'll be less than half kekw

[prime jasper]

I was thinking about making a new one too considering the one I already had is kinda tired of supporting both my building needs for heavy modular frames and my fuzed modular frame factory.

[grim ermine]

I did the exact same thing. Use stitched reinforced iron plates, cast screws, and heavy encased frame recipes

Best alts for hmf

[hard ivy]

Tf are you using screws for?

[grim ermine]

Default hmf recipe uses screws?

[hard ivy]

You said heavy encased. That doesn't use screws

[grim ermine]

I know but if they were using default theyd need cast screws

[prime jasper]

I will probably spend some time designing a new one. What alt should I consider?

Flexible looks kinda great IMO.

[grim ermine]

Definitely dont use the default recipe

Either flexible or encased

[hard ivy]

Using default HMF, regardless of the other alts you choose, is shooting yourself in the foot right then and there

[grim ermine]

Well yeah... but some people still do it

[hard ivy]

I did this pretty much every time I made HMFs since 1.0:
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=BdITjegqbhcRzr4SCbBz
(Well, a multiple of that since 2.8125 is what one manufacturer makes)

[grim ermine]

I hate the flexible. 390 screws is painful

Its not THAT bad but id rather avoid screws

[prime jasper]

I am still wondering if the encase of Flexible HMF would suit me best.🤔

[hard ivy]

And it doesn't really have any benefits over encased that'd make the screws and rubber worth it

[prime jasper]

Flexible looks harder but with bigger payoff?

[hard ivy]

What payoff lmao

[grim ermine]

There is no payoff 😭

Encased is objectively the best in 90% of cases

[prime jasper]

You get more HMF per iron/coal/concrete

[hard ivy]

At the cost of oil and complexity

Also, it doesn't really save coal when HEF can be made coalless

[grim ermine]

Still needs coal

Butter uses coal

[prime jasper]

It can. But is it worth it?

[hard ivy]

Also, is 1450 iron and 550 limestone vs 1050 iron and 350 limestone worth 150 oil and double the machines

[hard ivy]

Iron pipe and it doesn't

[grim ermine]

True

[prime jasper]

The recipe that let you skip steel is great in some cases, but you get reduce yield and the outputs of the machines are mid at best.

[grim ermine]

I always forget iron pipes

[prime jasper]

Yeah, flexible is probably bad if we consider all the factors then.

[hard ivy]

I mean you can't deny that it does save some iron and limestone. But is that ever worth it? For me, absolutely not, but that's me

[prime jasper]

Yeah iron and limestone are definitely not that valuable so after debating I think you are right.

I think I am going to choose the steeled frame as a base ingredient btw.

[limpid cairn]

Become a screw hater !!!

[hard ivy]

Eh, copper rotor is a fine recipe. I just never make enough rotors to make the resource savings worth the extra complexity

[cursive totem]

omg i think tonight we gonna build the last factories and then by tomorrow maybe we can actually finish my very first playthrough 🤯

[limpid cairn]

Seek a therapist if you craft copper motors !!!

[limpid cairn]

The first playthrough isn’t finished if you don’t have 50 nuclear pasta per minute

[primal mist]

i got 250 hours and i still haven't completed the game 💀

[limpid cairn]

Dw bro some guy here is still at phase 0 after 200h

[cursive totem]

ok, then let me rephrase to: "finally finishing all milestones and phases" for the first time

[primal mist]

goddamn

[limpid cairn]

No mam at 100%?

Damn

[cursive totem]

ah true. but that should be trivial at this point

[hard ivy]

Let's be honest, who cares about enemy scanning?

[limpid cairn]

I do

[grim ermine]

What is the most complex item in the whole game to produce?

[limpid cairn]

How am I supposed to craft biofuel?

[primal mist]

it's much more fun when a stinger just jumps at you out of nowhere

[limpid cairn]

FISCONIUM

[hard ivy]

Either Ficsonium fuel rods or ballistic warp drives

[cursive totem]

ficsonium probably

BWD are easier because no nuclear stuff

[grim ermine]

Time to never make ficsonium

I think I'll stick to making iron plates instead

[limpid cairn]

But it’s a good journey

You get like 1.1TW

[hard ivy]

You can get that without Ficsonium

[cursive totem]

you can get that without nuclear

[limpid cairn]

Yeah but then you have to deal with plutonium waste, which doesn’t allow you to run the save forever

[frail sleet]

you can get like 5-10 TW just from rocket and ionized fuel

and power augmenters

and around 15 TW with wasteless nuclear + rocket + ionized etc

IIRC

[limpid cairn]

15TW still isn’t enough power for my taste, any way to get more power if we include coal?

[hard ivy]

There you go, 1 TW, waste free, no Ficsonium
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=KBVDddaw65iNYQeQ5vWL

[hard ivy]

Not waste-free. 15.32 TW is the max

[limpid cairn]

The website doesn’t show anything for me = you lied and this isn’t possible

(I’ll check it later)

[grim ermine]

This is definitely possible

[cursive totem]

what about converters

[frail sleet]

that wizardry already uses converters

to make more uranium i think?

[cursive totem]

oh ok then

[cunning siren]

Why do I automate turbo ammo every playthrough? 😆 A hand fed build would have been more than enough

[cursive totem]

because building weapons is fun

[limpid cairn]

I just realised, why can’t we convert Sam Fluctuators into more Sam…?

Who is Simon

[cursive totem]

why that ratio? shouldnt "maximize" on both figure the same thing?

[frail sleet]

because it's the cheapest way to get 1tw of gross power, wasteless

specifically 1tw

[hard ivy]

You don't want to maximise plutonium when you're sinking it. You want to make the bare minimum that uses all waste

[cursive totem]

ooooh right because fics yields more power

i see

[hard ivy]

It doesn't. Uranium does

[frail sleet]

because there's no point spending resources on making more plutonium rods when you're not burning them

[cursive totem]

oh?

huh ok

[frail sleet]

20 cheap rods going in the sink is better than 40 expensive ones in the sink. Saves resources for the same outcome

and all of the power comes from the uranium

80 x 5 x 2.5 GW = 1000 GW

[alpine pond]

I’ve gotta say, he has a point!

https://youtu.be/ET-jZFqEDV8?si=vvcwikMPE-pzx2dc

[reef basin]

well "better" if you don't do it for sink points I guess

[hard ivy]

The PCC you need for PFU is worth more than the rod you get out of it

[cursive totem]

im confused. uranium rods have 750 TJ, plutonium has 1500 TJ

so with plutonium you get double the output? (by virtue of needing half as much in the same timeframe)

[hard ivy]

Per rod sure. But you can't make enough plutonium to double the output. Plus if you're burning plutonium, it makes more waste

[cursive totem]

ah ok

but you do neet the plutonium waste for ficsonium then

[cunning siren]

Is there a trick to riding a drone? Thing bucks me off like a bronco

[reef basin]

if you use the alt, sure

[shy mulch]

They aren't meant to be ridden on. The fact that you kinda can, a bit, is accidental but fun to try

[uneven path]

Ok yeah I didn't realise how absolutely insane the Heavy Encased Frame recipe is. It uses less than half the iron, less limestone, less coal and less water and yet somehow makes the same 8 per minute I was aiming for

[cunning siren]

Sometimes I see a crash site in the distance and when I get closer it disappears 😆 game is like "I pulled one over on you!"

[grim ermine]

Never have i ever read something more relatable

[unkempt blade]

the only ADA-approved flying transport is the giant ray things

[zealous timber]

hey guys, new to trains in satisfactory, lmk if this is the wrong channel to ask but can anyone help me with my path signals i swear i cant figure out the solution

[cunning siren]

Even that thing bucks you off with the dip in Northern Forest 😆

[lost knoll]

What do you mean specifically?

[lost knoll]

Block signs or....

[reef basin]

#1038092680493801533 post image with segment colors enabled

[zealous timber]

im tryna make one of those like entries into a station where i have multiple trains going into it and like the automatic driving doesnt wanna get out of the station

[zealous timber]

will do thanks

[lost knoll]

You already did all the plan making?

[lost knoll]

And are you sure that the whole line is connected? I had a problem like this myself only because my friend missed one conntection

[zealous timber]

yes i can get through the whole line manually

[native tapir]

Disagree

[lost knoll]

Alright uhhh

[lost knoll]

Then you should take a look at your train plans... Maybe there is something off

[lost knoll]

And if this still dont help... I must ask you if you have already installed such signs like block signals

[zealous timber]

yes i have im just having a problem with the block signals

dont see any yellow flashing and

[lost knoll]

You checked the direction?

[zealous timber]

on paper it should work

ye

[lost knoll]

How many you have installed?

If you got many you should check every single one... If the error are the block signs they should normally show a exclamation mark

[zealous timber]

ill post in #1038092680493801533

[nimble briar]

Heyo, idk if its the right place to ask but,
is there any info about upcoming patch? i want to start a new save but if a new patch coming ill wait

[unkempt blade]

hey I don't make the rules, take it up with ficsit 😆

[native tapir]

I am

[cursive totem]

man i am watching a playthrough from a factorio streamer and its equal parts infuriating and interesting to see the different perspective

[true mulch]

lemme guess, main bus in Satisfactory?

[cursive totem]

no not at all

hes doing very well actually, considering

[dense violet]

there is not, and very unlikely to have a big impact on anything

[cursive totem]

main gripes are; refactoring old factories is super hard, missing copy/paste, blueprinting is meh, and the exploration seems too shallow to really mean much but at the same time mandatory because you have so much downtime if you're not scaling a fuckton (which you cant easily do due to the first issues)

but then again the sense of scale of machines and factories and 3D aspects are super cool

[cunning siren]

I think the hogs in my game die to the fart clouds? 🤔 that seems broken

[true mulch]

everything except for stingers is susceptible to poison gas afaik

[dense violet]

factorio and satisfactory are very different games. In terms of factory design. Completely different.
For a very long time before 1.0 a mainstay of people griping about the game on the server were factorio people. Their gripes were mostly 'this isn't factorio and I'm mad'

[cursive totem]

oh yeah i get that and agee. some of it is valid tho, at least to me. and i dont even like factorio lol

[true mulch]

"you should add X because Factorio has it"

drones ✅ blueprints ✅

[dense violet]

oh man, I never liked factorio but factorio players made me hate it.

[cursive totem]

to me at least i only really want copy/paste tbh. i get blueprints but ugh

[true mulch]

engaging in online discourse is the worst thing you can do

[dense violet]

eh, blueprints are copy paste. You just build it in the bp machine first

[cursive totem]

yeah which is the issue

[dense violet]

the internet was a mistake it's true

[cursive totem]

that is beyond doubt

[unique kernel]

I got a question for yall the radar towers are they good or not? I put one at the highest point on the map so will that allow me to see everything with time or no?

[dense violet]

iirc height no longer matters ? and certain radius

[true mulch]

correct

the radius is fixed since their rework

[unique kernel]

So what's the best way to set em up?

[true mulch]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Optimal_Radar_Tower_Placement.webp

[dense violet]

put them a bit less than 2 radii away from each other? manage positioning to cover gaps

[unique kernel]

Screenshotted for future reference

[true mulch]

wdym screenshotted just download the image 😭

[unique kernel]

My goodness what an idea why didn't I think of that

[white dawn]

I'd also constantly see people claiming that Satisfactory was "Factorio but 3D," which certainly fed into that

[cursive totem]

i mean it is the same genre

they are very close cousins

[white dawn]

Yeah, but IMO comparing the two so directly does both a disservice

[cursive totem]

i dont think statements like those are meant as comparison

[white dawn]

As mentioned, they're extremely different games from a moment-to-moment basis

[cursive totem]

more like when someone has no idea about the game and you need an elevator pitch

[white dawn]

IMO the statement was taken as direct comparison, however it was meant. :D (I'm not airing a gripe or anything here, I just found it interesting. :)

[cursive totem]

in the same vein i could say shapez is factorio but with shapes lol

or foundry is satsifactory but worse XD

[white dawn]

heh

IMO the more useful statement would've been to start from the ground up with a genre, rather than pitting games against each other

[dense violet]

ugh. Idiots. Pretty much just hte idea of automation is the only thing they have.

it's like saying 'shapes' is 'just factorio'

[cursive totem]

true yeah, i also go that route as well

[white dawn]

"A factory builder that's first-person 3D with a beautiful handcrafted map" or whatever

[cursive totem]

i still do say copy/paste would be a great addition, i will die on that hill

or rather; be ejected out from the space elevator for voicing criticism to ficsits board of directors

[dense violet]

it already exists 😛

[green fiber]

We have copy/paste for machine settings and we have blueprints

What more copypasta could one want

[real shale]

Spaghetti

[cursive totem]

blueprinting:

• "i need to build this"
• build it in designer
• build it in the factory
• "oh shit this doesnt work properly"
• load in designer
• fix in designer
• build in factory again
• paste to finish

copy/paste:

• "i need to build this"
• build it in factory
• "oh shit this doesnt work properly"
• fix it in factory
• copy
• paste to finish

[visual cosmos]

I mean

Blueprint designer isn't too much of an extra step though

[cursive totem]

it really is

[visual cosmos]

And personally I almost never have issues with blueprints since I design them with a factory plan in mind

[green fiber]

Yeah its unlikely this will happen given our existing BP system

[real shale]

Welcome to the actual definition of engineering

[dense violet]

you can delete in BP mode so it's 1 click

[real shale]

If you come with a plan, expect the moment of "oh this doesn't work here"

[visual cosmos]

I mean that idea would make blueprints useless so probably not happening

[green fiber]

Then again, when designing a BP, the only thing you would have to do is to test every BP right away

[cursive totem]

wouldnt at all

they can exist easily beside each other

[visual cosmos]

How?

[cursive totem]

DSP does it as well

[real shale]

Digital Signal Processing.....

[visual cosmos]

One would allow you to copy paste easily without a blueprint designer, the other does the same but with extra steps

[green fiber]

BPs exist the way they do because of connections

[cursive totem]

Dyson Sphere Program

[green fiber]

Apparently you need to completely cut stuff off from the outside else the BP stores connections

Thats how the rail teleport bug came to be: by clipping an outside rail connection into the BP

[visual cosmos]

Dsp doesn't have a blueprint designer, the blueprint system consists of selecting what you want to copy and either save or copy paste it

[cursive totem]

which is basically an invisible blueprint designer

[green fiber]

The designer has specific boundaries to cut off outside connections

[visual cosmos]

Yes, so the current blueprint designer and it's milestones would become obsolete

[dense violet]

okay, copy paste but you can only copy 1x1 foundation space

[cursive totem]

yes - which is a design choice. a choice i disagree with. thats all

[cunning siren]

Rocket fuel for jetpack is pretty nice IMO, the trick is to tap tap tap and not slam on the "gas"

[dense violet]

Eh, I'd be happy if they axed BPs.

[cursive totem]

replace with boundaries on how much you can copy. like come on this is not hard to imagine

[visual cosmos]

Did they ever fix the zfighting train rails have?

[green fiber]

Its necessary apparently else you kinda end up with teleportation issues.

The BP system is a localized form of tbe save system

[green fiber]

Z Fighting still exists for just about anything

Z fighting, afaik, is not something you can magically and fully fix

[visual cosmos]

Train rails specifically would get zfighting when only placing one rail

Not weirdly placing two at once or anything, just a weird visual bug where specific parts of the rail would have it happening

Metal parts mostly

[white dawn]

Yeah, I think in stations you can have z-fighting on the rails in the station. That at least should be fixable. :D

[visual cosmos]

ye that

[green fiber]

An object limit vs a space limit both have upsides and downsides

If you give it an object limit, you remove how much people can BP when decorating

for a purely factory game, objects would work

but when you consider decorations, this wouldnt work nicely

[cursive totem]

currently there is a space limit. if you think about it, all i want is to have a "moveable" BP designer virtual space i can place, and it will save whatever is inside as the BP. all other constraints could be the same

[visual cosmos]

Its not necessarily a bad idea, though i doubt they would ever implement it beyond mods

[cursive totem]

nah i know they wont

which is fine. i love the game still. that would just push it even further IMO

[white dawn]

I feel like from a mechanical perspective, that would be weird, since you'd almost certainly always have the thing clipping through other existing buildings

[cursive totem]

which the game knows and could cut off anyway

[green fiber]

Yet it doesn't

[white dawn]

Like if you wanted to save a group of machines that you built, do you also include the foundations they're on? If not, how do you indicate the "floor" of the moveable blueprint thing, etc?

[cursive totem]

just like you nudge the BP designer around

[white dawn]

I dunno, to me it feels like it'd be awfully jank. Presumably possible, sure, but I don't see how you'd make it look decent

[dense violet]

mods have done this exact things before.
but honestly the Blueprint fanboys have poisoned me on anything like this with their nonsense

[cursive totem]

well thats the beauty of imagination. i think it would work great 😄 but its never gonna be implemented anyway so, you know

[white dawn]

Anyway, hypothetical anyway. :D Could be there's already a mod which does what you want, of course. :)

[cursive totem]

maybe for the next save. for now im going full vanilla

[green fiber]

The BP system isnt that smart actually.
I think someone made a mod where you can just select objects and then turn them into a BP

the only thing it cant BP is belts, pipes, rails, etc

[dense violet]

seriously though, people bitched about bps before bps were a thing, then got 10x worse wit hthe bitching after bps were introduced

[cursive totem]

wdym

BPs are great. i specifically waited until 1.1 so the autoconnect worked before actually starting a full playthrough

[dense violet]

the, constant, bitching, about, them. Constant.
like right now

[visual cosmos]

I feel like there was a mod for it but I cant find it :( I know largger BP designer mods exists

[green fiber]

Theres a mod that can turn selected objects in the workd into a BP like i said.

But it doent work on belts and such

[cursive totem]

oh ok, im sorry

[dense violet]

Like I guarantee if a copy paste mechanic was introduced, 2 minutes later there'd be people complaining about the files not being able to telepathically alter the recipes of the machines in the copy paste at will.

[green fiber]

The thing about an area select is that it actually kinda feels clunky.

It works in shapez 2 because there you have a layer toggle and its also, like Factorio and DSP, STILL grid-based

Mods can affort to throw stuff together and have it be a bit clunky.

Devs actually have to support it and make the game not crash or bug out in odd ways

[white dawn]

~~so what you're saying is that everyone should always build on world grid. Got it! ~~

[green fiber]

World grid doesnt mean SF suddenly is grid based

[white dawn]

Heh, I know, just being silly. :)

[unique kernel]

Wait i just remembered something when I built some radar towers i noticed some nodes appearing yellow what's that all about?

[unique kernel]

Wym world grid = grid system

[cursive totem]

yeah peop will always find something to complain about but that doesnt mean that any and all ideas / criticisms / thoughts on change are automatically null and void and to be disregarded as unnecessary...

[unique kernel]

Will ficsmas be returning this year?

[green fiber]

The world grid placement doesnt cut entities up into perfect grids.
All other games have entities that end perfectly at grid boundaries.

And the world grid is optional too so you cant enforce that

[hard ivy]

It's a visual bug

[hard ivy]

Hell, even on a grid, Shapez 2 struggles with selection across layers

[unique kernel]

Perhaps it'll happen early cuz all the stores in my area be puttin out Christmas decor back in September

[unique kernel]

As in my eyes be fooling me?

[hard ivy]

No, the game just makes nodes yellow for no reason

[green fiber]

In all those top down factory games selection in relatively easy / simple.

But in FP an area select is honestly just a hard UX issue

[unique kernel]

Unless does it mean there covered and inaccessible?

Cuz it doesn't do it for all of them just certain ones

[hard ivy]

No, that's marked in grey iirc

With a checkmark or something

[unique kernel]

Thats there being used what I mean is like covered in rocks or have a ore chunk on top

[kind oriole]

hi

[unique kernel]

🖖

[unkempt blade]

Yeah I guess in theory select and copy could save some amount of time but I feel like I either start from the BP side or I do something once, realize it's a BP and just rebuild it real quick

I don't really do design stuff before turning it into a BP though and that's where the actual work for me happens. The logistics side of the BP is pretty low effort

[polar leaf]

planning on building an aluminium factory after finishing the OC one

what metheod did you guys use to manage the water byproduct?

[hard ivy]

feed it back in with a VIP

[leaden turret]

isn't september a bit late for stores to be putting out xmas decs? 😛

[cosmic adder]

How do i build full path of walls or ground at once?

[white dawn]

I loop it back around to the water-using steps, but in a totally separate pipe network rather than combining via VIP junction (ie: stuff like this - #math-and-meta message )

[grim ermine]

Zoop?

[unique kernel]

You mean early right?

[leaden turret]

no.

[cosmic adder]

well idk, ive seen on YT, and i cannot, i build only by one wall

[unique kernel]

Yes its waaay to early

[unique kernel]

If its a recipe that requires things like copper ingots (say aluminum) then use the water byproduct to feed the copper refinerys so that way you can make ingots and from there have alclad sheets and casings

[unkempt blade]

if you don't want to recycle the water you can also use it for wet concrete, pure [metal] ingot type recipes too

[unique kernel]

This is the way

[unkempt blade]

recycling it isn't so bad if you do the math right but if you don't want to bother that'll give you a sinkable output to keep things running 24x7

[cosmic adder]

@grim ermine

[grim ermine]

Try pressing r while building so it says build mode: zoop

[zenith pecan]

With some clock shenanigans, at least for bauxite wastewater you can feed two refineries off the wastewater for every one that takes fresh.

[open viper]

Morning

[unique kernel]

Or if theres a later process like aluminum casings or sheets you can use pure copper to make the copper you need and use the water from the scrap process

[cosmic adder]

thanks!!

[polar leaf]

that's not a bad idea

yeah no I can't turn 9k water p/m into concrete

[unkempt blade]

oh jeez, quite the aluminum factory 😆

[polar leaf]

I had planned on using 4k water p/m to make some concrete but not THAT much concrete

[zenith pecan]

I was originally going to use the wastewater to make concrete to replace my basic concrete factory, until I saw just how much water I was going to be flooded with from a baux refinery that eats 12300 bauxite.

[unique kernel]

And if your fancy like me and use sloppy alumina, electrode scrap, and pure ingots then if theres bauxite near a oil node you can make rubber and turn the HOR into coke for both scrap and electrode circuit boards so its a win win

[polar leaf]

same here

[zenith pecan]

I still intend to make a wet concrete facility, just not using that water source 😄

[polar leaf]

I'm contemplating rather I use 12,3k bauxite to make a shit ton of overflow aluminium or I do a simpler one that uses 5,3k

[hard ivy]

each wet concrete refinery takes 100 water/min

[zenith pecan]

After nearly a dozen failures, I managed to get the waste water use in the bauxite refinery perfected.

[unique kernel]

The more you use the better your odds

[polar leaf]

I don't have mk6 belts yet

I could make the factory and upgrade the belts once I do tho

[unique kernel]

Yall make it seem hard its pretty simple if ya know what your doing

[zenith pecan]

Fresh water refinery making sloppy alumina clocked at 90%, two wastewater refineries making sloppy alumina at 105%, taking the water from four refineries doing aluminium scrap.

[polar leaf]

it still needs like 10k limestone p/m ?

which isn't impossible considering I'm building it near the rocky desert

[zenith pecan]

Naa, I was trying to be clever with a cascade feed system, now its as simple as it gets.

[grim ermine]

Bring a train of 10k limestone a minute 😭😂

[polar leaf]

I might just test around, I watched some videos and did my own testing

[hard ivy]

then just put it back into alumina

[polar leaf]

yeah that's what I'll probably do honestly

I'll make a blueprint to make my life easier

[zenith pecan]

Instead of trying to mix fresh and waste, I kept my two water users separated.

[polar leaf]

no way I'm manually cycling over 100 refineries

[unique kernel]

If you got a pure bauxite node and a MK 2 miner you can get 600pm bauxite and then that will feed 3 sloppy systems that then feeds 3 electrode scrap refinerys perfectly 1:1 and from there turn residual water into pure copper for sheets and casings then make pure aluminum ingots and your golden

[zenith pecan]

I'm already using electrode and it's producing 12300 ingots without error, it just took me a while to see that I was over thinking it.

[unique kernel]

Mmhm this game overthinking is your enemy

[zenith pecan]

The wastewater feeds two refineries per cluster exclusively, no mix.

[unique kernel]

Yeppers

[zenith pecan]

On the upside, I didn't need a monster field of water extractors and considerably less plumbing.

[unique kernel]

My entire oil system and aluminum system runs on 600 water pm but once I expand out the wazoo imma need alot more

Like alot alot like alot alot alot alot of alots later

[zenith pecan]

My oil system at least under my power station needs considerably more water due to its immense size.

[unique kernel]

Mmhm this is what im planning on making once I iron out the ratios no .272727 or whatever

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=eBFdaVcoqc1rhTgHXoSE

The polyres thats for rubber AND plastic

Aluminum is the perfect thing to tie in thanks to the electrode scrap system

[zenith pecan]

Electrode scrap caused me to build this https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=tTF7tiId01jsrGKhGXR1

[hard ivy]

why both turbo and rocket and ionized fuel lol

[zenith pecan]

It uses the leftover crude from the blue crater and the impure well in the swamp.

And some sloops.

[unique kernel]

Turbo and rocket for power ion for drones/trucks

[zenith pecan]

I produced way way too much petro-coke though, the remainder gets spun into time crystals, which solves that too.

I never got to the polymer output there, plan is fabric for auto-filters so I can quit it with the mycelia.

And more importantly, I need to design what the factories look like 🤣 , they're just refineries on platforms right now and exposed particle accelerators.

[polar leaf]

I already have 1200 polymer resin going to waste and I'll have 2k If I do this alum setup

do I just sink it like I'm doing right now or?

[zenith pecan]

All the polymer resin from under my power station is converted to 240x rubber & plastic which goes to depot then sink, that's why the petro-coke/diamond factory will do the fabric.

[versed mesa]

Hi

[zenith pecan]

Sink until you're ready to process it into stuff you need, just leave room for a factory to handle it when you're ready.

It's just a matter of leaving options open.

[sturdy grail]

<@&370483737957236737> <@&387163995947270144> I need some help, Tony_Wev from this server sent me gore in my dms, please ban him

[zenith pecan]

Dude, that really should be in a ticket.

[void gorge]

Ticket yaa

[leaden turret]

how was japan?

[versed mesa]

Whats the best way for alot of refineries to fill lots of oil in the pipes going to the machines with pipes going straight in a line to the machines ive got around about 15 machines to produce biofurl and polymer resin so I can produce turbofuel

@void gorge hello I am loving this game its cool but can be challenging specially when you get up higher with phases lol

[leaden turret]

option 1: complicated plumbing
option 2: package all the things & direct feed from a packager unpackaging, no plumbing manifold

[versed mesa]

How many machines do yous recommend oil should go to in single line pipe

[versed mesa]

Plumbing defo not complicated lol

[void gorge]

Well needed, already have the next flight locked in

[void gorge]

Fully agree, to a T

[leaden turret]

they didn't try to arrest you this time then? 😛

[versed mesa]

Lmfao

[void gorge]

Neither the way in or out lmao

[versed mesa]

Japan hates groups of streamers lmfao

Best to go when not in a big streaming group lol

[polar leaf]

I'll never forget the day snutt replied me

[versed mesa]

Am thinking 5 machines should get oil deposit fir each five refineries you build and want to use

[solemn tartan]

hello 🙂 is there any way to control the amount of items a truck is taking from the depot?

[versed mesa]

@leaden turret you should see how many fuel gens ive got running currently on Turbofuel

At 150 % each one

[sour dew]

Helloo, there is any form in the game to speed up the gases on pipes? Im producing more of the gas than i need but my particle acellerator is receiving less because of the speed of the gas in the pipe although I’m producing a lot more gas than the amount I need

[heavy anvil]

mk2 pipes

[unkempt blade]

charmingly relatable 😆

[sour dew]

Yeah I use these but still it’s too slow

[mortal ginkgo]

No. Your best option is to keep the wait time low and see if the amount it takes pleases you.

Also guys. So I got those molded pipe and beam recipes. I was like wow, nice amount of outputs.

Then I saw how much limestone I needed.. and at that moment I realised, I was such a FOOL!

[tawdry charm]

Bruh, i had 14 biofuel gens, and generated 210MW, i thought why? Turns out both sides were seperate networks XD (i have 7 on one side and 7 on other)

[cunning siren]

Oooof

[solemn crystal]

steam servers are down 😔

[cold knoll]

booo. i wish there was an offline option for satisfactory

[vestal hill]

It was working fine for me when I opened it an hour and a half ago

[cold knoll]

oh hmm i think i just have to change my session type somehow

i have to just change to single player

[tired wigeon]

Is there any hotkey for the Blueprint Menu? Customizer and builder we have a hotkey for, but for blueprints?

[vestal hill]

You can get em on your hotbar

[tired wigeon]

Ohhhhh, thats good to know! But a direct hotkey is not available right?

[vestal hill]

I’ve not a clue

[spice patio]

Unfortunately no.

[tired wigeon]

Alright. Thank you!

[unique kernel]

Hello pioneers I hope yall are being productive today

[vestal hill]

I was

[unique kernel]

Was? When did ficit give you permission to stop?

[vestal hill]

I was given express permission to pause the universe so I could attend to matters… elsewhere

I’ll be back in 15 hours though

[unique kernel]

Incompatible music

[vestal hill]

I am not well versed enough in alien to form a compatible song

However I may be able to complete phase two of project save the day by Saturday

[unique kernel]

That'll be 15 hours docked from your pay

[vestal hill]

NOOO I NEEED MY FACTORY NOISES

[unique kernel]

That inefficiency will be noted by ficit and you will be required to return and be examined by the ficit doctors to see if your still fit to function in your dutys

[vestal hill]

I’m sorry I need steel to complete phase two and I will do that with haste boss man

[unique kernel]

Most pioneers achieve steel production within the first 100 hours of planetfall

[visual cosmos]

Weak numbers gets it in 10

[vestal hill]

Oh based on in game time ive only taken forty

But I got electromagnetic control rods in like 25

So

[fierce glen]

Im so excited to hear the factory noises 6 hours a day

[shy mulch]

According to FICSIT standard regulations, most pioneers obtain steel after a period of between 9 minutes and 466 hours

[fierce glen]

I was the 466

[shy mulch]

Thank you for your service

[polar leaf]

I was the 9

[vestal hill]

I got cooling systems before steel is this in the regulations?

[fierce glen]

I learned about automatic miners after I reached tier 2 btw

[polar leaf]

I'd ask how but I automated 240gw of rocket fuel before automating motors so I can't talk much

[solemn crystal]

guys steam servers are still down and im gonna die of boredom 🥱

[polar leaf]

could've been worse

[polar leaf]

are they?

[solemn crystal]

i must tend to my factories

[vestal hill]

I also got 150 computers before steel so

[solemn crystal]

yes

[polar leaf]

my steam app is working normally?

[solemn crystal]

THEY FIXED THE SERVERS

[shy mulch]

This is considered to be within a tolera&&£=#+() UNLOCK THE TAPESTRY OF STRINGS WITHIN STRINGS WITHIN STRINGS TO FORGE BENEATH THE BENEATH+£%:" tolerance of acceptable levels

[solemn crystal]

THE MINTUE I SEND THE MESSAG-

[polar leaf]

💀

[fierce glen]

I made a smart plate factory

[solemn crystal]

I SWEAR THEY WERE DOWN A FEW SECONDS AGO 😭

[fierce glen]

And it isnt a noodle

[shy mulch]

I made a dumb plate factory

[polar leaf]

ur onto something bro

[fierce glen]

Probably a noodle

[polar leaf]

why tho

[tawdry charm]

I actidentaly just played for 5 hours

[solemn crystal]

i am on something 💀

[polar leaf]

accidenttly

[solemn crystal]

atleast i can play shapez now

gosh that was too long

[polar leaf]

go back to work, ficsit doesn't pay rest hours

[solemn crystal]

jokes on you i replaced ADA with PDA

[solemn crystal]

they dont pay working hours either

[polar leaf]

they pay me with dopamine

once I stop getting paid I get a break and then come back

[solemn crystal]

the dopamine of going insane, relatable

[vestal hill]

Well I kinda wanted some of those mam trees

I have the resources to get radio tower OR programmable splitter and I’ve not even made any of the phase two space elevator parts yet

[fierce glen]

I always play for at least 8 hours doing nothing

[lethal scroll]

hey yall, question: are beacons still a thing? I can't find them anywhere

[hard ivy]

no, they have been removed and replaced with map markers

[lethal scroll]

oooh okay

I dont have a map yet, I think

oh I do

also, can you still reset for hard drives like before?

or did they change it

like, save before starting 10m research, reload if bad recipes

can you still do that?

[hard ivy]

you can do even better. you can save scum rescans, which are instant

[lethal scroll]

how do those work, and how do you get them?

[hard ivy]

scan a drive, 10 minutes later, you get 2 recipes. if you don't like those, you can rescan, and get 2 different recipes

[lethal scroll]

ooooh

[hard ivy]

also, there's a HDD library so you don't even have to take a drive. you can just leave it there, with both recipes still showing

[lethal scroll]

so, how does it work, I wait for scan to complete, save, then reset for the rescan

interesting

[polar leaf]

yeah but steel is like...

2 phases prior to that bro

it's like getting rocket fuel before doing coal power

[lethal scroll]

I'm at tier 4 rn, but with nothing steel production wise automated yet. everything else aside from concrete is also still a temp setup. So any recipes that make copper/iron/steel production more efficient are highly valuable rn

[polar leaf]

it's like making pressure conversion cube before modular frame

[lethal scroll]

so I can build around those better recipes

[polar leaf]

it's like making neural quantum processors before automating computers

[vestal hill]

Who said I had a computer factory

[polar leaf]

can relate

[vestal hill]

I just spent 5 hours exploring that’s all

[lethal scroll]

hmmm, I got caterium wire or steel rotor. Either of them worth taking this early?

[hard ivy]

I love steel rotor

[lethal scroll]

hmmm... considering it's not yet beneficial to me, but might be in the future, ill just keep this drive in library for now

[sick falcon]

should i be making plastic and rubber out of oil and then fuel out of the heavy oil residue or making fuel out of oil and plastic and rubber from the polymer

[native tapir]

Any word on when that patch is getting pushed?

I see that it's in experimental

[heavy anvil]

fuel to turbo fuel and redirect some of that into a fuel plant and some into a packager

[vale grotto]

Depends on what's gonna be easier for you

[sick falcon]

both seem pretty easy whats the difference

[vale grotto]

What your needs are, how much space you're building in, what alternates you have

Well, for one, only one of those chains needs water

And they probably have quite different oil -> product ratios

What's your goal with the setup? Just get started with things?

My current plans for petrochem involve using the polymer resin alt to make residual rubber, then using the residue to make petroleum coke for steel

[cunning glade]

Okay after getting overwhelmed last night from unlocking so much stuff it's time too start doing things

[versed mesa]

Lmfao

Ive just gotten my first taste of Turbo pachaged fuel

Its well good better than the yellow one lol

Currently making 12 twin units of it lol

[plucky flower]

I know this is odlly vague. But buying one specific item in the awesome shop there is a weird text with a line of code in them <blablabla>. I am going after which item this is but if someone is going on a shopping spree and see the same thing let me know

Im at phase 2 and the item didnt cost much tickets but since im sick im not able to play right now and check

[cunning glade]

Tbh I might do rocketfuel

Its extremely efficient right

Cuz I just got an extra 900/m oil that I wasn't expecting

[hard ivy]

yeah, especially if you use the right recipes

[cunning glade]

How much of that would I actually need for drones u think

Also if a to do list is public does that mean friends will see it?

[white dawn]

Very anecdotally, my drones using Rocket Fuel on my 1.0 save were averaging about 2.5/min usage per drone (for drones which remain active 100% of the time)

Your actual numbers can change depending on the length of the routes, but I wouldn't expect it to average lower than 2 or higher than 3

[cunning glade]

How many drones in total

But also good too know

[spare bolt]

I struggle with coal plants

Should I find more coal nodes and set up another power grid explicitly for the near ones?

[tropic juniper]

i personally just truck/belt all the coal to one massive line of plants.

[white dawn]

That was with 32 routes using Rocket Fuel (plus a few more fuel-delivery drones, but those are idle nearly all the time)

[tropic juniper]

compacting the coal helps a lot too

[white dawn]

There are a number of places on the map where there are 3-4 coal nodes right next to largeish bodies of water; those places make ideal coal power plant areas

Run some power lines out there and connect that up to your grid, etc.

[cunning glade]

Ight I will use rocket fuel then as that extra 900 from the well will be plenty

And it's right next too base

[spare bolt]

I have a place with four coal nodes, I’m considering finding more and running my main grid out there, and connecting the local ones to a separate system

[lethal scroll]

posted some screenshots of my new lil silica production site, what do you think? it's self contained. It's mostly just so I can grab some silica whenever I need it for building

#screenshots message

[white dawn]

With the appropriate miner/belt upgrades (and potentially some overclocking, depending on node purity), that four-node site should be able to accomodate 64 coal gens; that's generally more than enough to get you into oil power

Though of course it depends on how "big" you like to build at that stage of the game, of course. :)

I'd wager few people go beyond 64 coal gens in Phase 2, though

Though don't let me stop you from building out more coal power, if that's what you want to do. :)

[cursive phoenix]

#screenshots message please help me no understand choo

[polar leaf]

have you tried using the normal thing

the block path or idk the name

[cursive phoenix]

yes

[polar leaf]

also you need to place it all over the path for it to work

[spare bolt]

I haven’t finished stage 2 yet

[cursive phoenix]

wdym

[white dawn]

Will probably help to start a #1038092680493801533 thread with more detail of exactly what you're looking to do; can embed screenshots and such there

It's also helpful to have some shots while you have block/path signals selected to build, so that the screenshot contains the block colorations

[cursive phoenix]

its juist green

[plucky flower]

Which tier is jetpack unlocks

And does it need fuel

[cunning glade]

So like 200 should be plenty of oil then and then turn the rest into power

[white dawn]

I stand by my start-a-#1038092680493801533-thread suggestion, and encourage you to post screenshots all the same, even if it is all just green

[cursive phoenix]

oki

[abstract heron]

Will the EXP chanel be open for this EXP peroid

[heavy anvil]

tier 5 with plastic production. it runs on packaged fuel but i think it can use biofuel

[cunning glade]

Do fuel gens burn 20 fuel a min no matter the type of fuel

At least I think that's what it burnt

[white dawn]

Nope, each fuel has a different burn rate

[cunning glade]

What's rocket

[white dawn]

The constant is how much power the fuel gen delivers -- it's always 250MW regardless of fuel type

If you click on the little orange icon on the input buffer on the fuel gen control panel, it'll show you the consumption rates for all supported fuels. (Can also find that on the wiki too, of course)

[cunning glade]

It only shows 3 types in game

But I'm seeing 14.4 on wiki

I think that's the wrong one

[green fiber]

the fuel gens ingame have a little thing you can click

right in their fuel slot

that shows all fuels that it can burn

[cunning glade]

That's what I'm doing

[hard ivy]

pretty sure that's 14.4 seconds per m3

[cunning glade]

It only shows turbo bio and fuel

[white dawn]

It's possible it only shows you the fuels you've currently got unlocked -- if you don't have Rocket Fuel unlocked, it might not show up in the list

(in which case, the wiki's where to go. :)

[green fiber]

!wikisearch fuel+generator

[cunning glade]

How does one unlock rocket fuel

[green fiber]

MAM research

[hard ivy]

MAM

[cunning glade]

Before that

I have all the alts I can have

[green fiber]

turbofuel

its a dependancy

[hard ivy]

sulfur tree

[cunning glade]

I see

I haven't been the research person that makes sense

I was like I have everything I should need

[white dawn]

I always recommend checking the MAM frequently for anything you can research, and prioritize getting that research done. :D

Lotta stuff in there you might not realize is super useful but is

[cunning glade]

Fluid per min is 4.17/m for rocketfuel

[hard ivy]

4.1(6), actually

[cunning glade]

Lol ofc it is

[cunning glade]

I'm aware

My friend was supposed too be on more and research so I've researched what I've needed and try too leave some stuff for them

But they started college again so they be busy alot unfortunately

Alts ive been getting tho cuz I need them

[polar leaf]

#screenshots message is this the fix for byproduct water?

I might use this in a bigger scale

looks promising

[cunning glade]

Is it oc actually 10.425

Cuz that seems worth

Well

If I have enough shards

[hard ivy]

10.41(6) at 250%

[cunning glade]

Tbh that seems worth

[hard ivy]

or 10 exactly at 240%

[cunning glade]

I didn't realize how many gens I was placing

[abstract heron]

mikael or jason?

[cunning glade]

Question would it be smart too build the fuel on the top and have it trickle down into all the gens or should I just pump it up

[hard ivy]

rocket fuel is a gas

[cunning glade]

It is

Omg

That makes this so easy

I build the drones on top too

I didn't realize that

[cunning glade]

Is it worth ocing them tho

Cuz that's still 500 power shards

Which i can eventually replace with synthetic ones or just use the synthetic ones everywhere

I think worth as that's way less building

[hard ivy]

entirely up to you

[cunning glade]

I don't wanna place 1000 fuel gens personally

Well 1249

[cunning glade]

Haven't made nitrogen yet so how much is one pure node 600 I assume cuz pipe max

Cuz it does want a bit of gas

But there's so much on the map

[hard ivy]

each node is multiple nodes. each group can have any number of nodes (like 4-8?) of any purity

[cunning glade]

I see

I'll see if I can make it too the node I plan too use

Before work

[hard ivy]

and they're 75 for impure, 150 for normal, 300 for pure (at 250% speed)

[cunning glade]

Ight I need a little over 2k gas

Okay rocketfuel ain't as bad as I thought cuz gas is so much nicer than fluid

[deft wagon]

I'm in the middle of making a railway from a pure bauxite node (and a normal one too i think) to my main base like 2 or 3km away, dunno if it was a mistake or not or if i should have just made it a modular factory

[cunning glade]

The node I found is all pure

[leaden turret]

y u no just ping

[abstract heron]

should i?

[leaden turret]

if I can ping them about lizard doggo buttholes, you can ping them about serious questions

[cunning glade]

This one node makes 2100 perfect

Everything is working out

[abstract heron]

@void gorge or @obsidian zodiac ?

[cunning glade]

Extractors are peak

Working sorta

[polar leaf]

what max amount of bauxite can I get using mk5 belts

[cunning glade]

Wym

780

That's the max a belt can hold

[flint grail]

How many foundations long is the train station?

[cunning glade]

Well mk5

[leaden turret]

2, I think

[cunning glade]

I think 5 or 6

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch train station

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=train+station

[cunning glade]

4 wide

[polar leaf]

I did the math after asking and it shoud be 10080 bauxite p/m

I mean using all nodes without mk6 beltts

[flint grail]

No, the other direction

[cunning glade]

Uhh 2 or 3 long but there's the wiki I didn't count that one

I need 80 refineries for the oil smh

[hard ivy]

tf is up with people using p/m when they mean /min

[heavy anvil]

when is zoop with preset recipes coming to buildings

[flint grail]

Ty, planning to make a Space Elevator train station

[cunning glade]

I wouldn't

Id do drones just wait tbh but up too u

[flint grail]

I can do train network and signals

[cunning glade]

Like I said up too u I just think drones better for it

[polar leaf]

idk man

[hard mantle]

every time ive come into this server you're in here

[hard mantle]

SAME WITH YOU

[cunning glade]

Nuh uh

[hard mantle]

yuh huh

ive seen some talk about drones and i know you transport stuff with them but is it possible to ride them?

[void gorge]

I don't see why not

Haven't said anything about it yet

[abstract heron]

Also how long do you think the update will be moving to default?

[void gorge]

Your guess

[leaden turret]

multiples of a week

[polar leaf]

mikael jackson?

[shrewd gyro]

is there a factory calculator that you can adjust an input on and get how many you can get from that one input?

[polar leaf]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0

[shrewd gyro]

you start from the end product with that

[polar leaf]

you can adjust the input

go to input tab

[shrewd gyro]

ahhh the pridction tab has a maximize option

what ratio of steel beam to steel pipe should I do?

[hard ivy]

do keep in mind that maximize will happily waste resources without caring about it if it doesn't reduce the output

[shrewd gyro]

I limited it to 240 iron and coal

[versed mesa]

Hey guys check this out if you want to #screenshots message

👌 👍 💪

[unkempt blade]

The path between the two areas is my favorite part. It's totally adorable and would look good with some factory carts driving on it

[versed mesa]

Yeah it does i want to try come up with something cool fir putting conveyor across it its sending over canisters for packaging Turbo fuel

[shy mulch]

Zero and zero
Don't produce stuff just for the sake of it, unless you want to for fun, in which case any amount is fine
Look at why you need pipes and beams and calculate how many you need

[shrewd gyro]

the thing is I havent unlocked what I need them for yet

[true mulch]

for personal usage, roughly equal amounts

[unkempt blade]

But I need more coupons! Won't somebody think of the sink points?!?!

[shy mulch]

Then you don't need to produce any of either

[versed mesa]

@unkempt blade I want to do mire but like I said am still learning and improving

[shrewd gyro]

I mean apart from the unlcok stuff

[shy mulch]

Any more of that talk and I'm gonna start sinking factory carts

[versed mesa]

@unkempt blade or and that part you love its modded parts

[shy mulch]

What's the most amount of factory carts anyone has? I feel like this is an achievable goal

[unkempt blade]

Sinking something that is hand crafted? Such spite!

[shy mulch]

Is 100 golden carts overkill?

[versed mesa]

What the factory carts ?

[shy mulch]

Golden ones are better

[cunning glade]

Is there a way with tools I can add power gens at the end of a fuel factory

[unkempt blade]

no you just need to keep creating uses for them if they're overkill at the moment

[shy mulch]

Oh hang on, I just realised they only cost coupons to unlock. I thought each one cost coupons

This is interesting

[cunning glade]

So ik how many I'm placing and stuff

[unkempt blade]

just the first one then you equipment shop them

[versed mesa]

Are they gold because you pa8nted them gold ?

[shy mulch]

No, they are gold because they are golden factory carts

[shy mulch]

Do the maths. It's very simple calculation

[versed mesa]

They seams yellow to me in the pic lol

[cunning glade]

Well ik that but it would be cool too have

[shy mulch]

The regular ones are orange and blue, the golden ones are... golden

[unkempt blade]

when you finish the elevator stuff you can unlock the gold ones

[versed mesa]

How you get them and i did not know there are mire i only see the one in the pic in the shop

[shy mulch]

I think I should make a simple production line just churning out golden factory carts, 30/min seems a decent goal

[versed mesa]

What you been finish ?

[shy mulch]

Do you want spoilers?

[unkempt blade]

send all the packages to space

[versed mesa]

Or

[shrewd gyro]

ugh was wondering why my factory was only 67% efficent despite calculating everything... turns out under the spltters was a mark 1 belt instead of mark 2 ones

[versed mesa]

Phase 5

[shy mulch]

Yes

[rustic roost]

if i wanted to be silly on a friends server/save. Is there any machine that uses constant power even when not actively doing anything?

[shy mulch]

When you finish phase 5, a golden cup appears in the awesome shop called 'employee of the planet cup'
Sink one golden cup to unlock golden factory carts

[versed mesa]

Give me a month or so to complete phase 5 I had issue today i built one particle accelerator it was running for abit but them everything blew lmfao

[shy mulch]

Sounds like you need more power

[versed mesa]

Nice

[unkempt blade]

I think truckstations, drone ports, and maybe train stations would all have a constant power amount

[white dawn]

I have never failed to feel vaguely annoyed when I unlock those and then have to go find a Caterium node just so I can make some ingots. Like an animal.

[versed mesa]

I sure do allow my new factory is up and running and has alot of fuel gens built each one currently over clocked is 500mw

[rustic roost]

hmmm i see, so if i wanted a HUGE powerload on a system that i could isolate with a switch, prefererably hide it outta sight, whats the best thing to use? cos i know mahcines use 0.1mw when idle but if there is something that does a better job that would be great

[shy mulch]

I'd use drone ports for that

100MW per drone port

[rustic roost]

oooh nice, do they make a marker on the map like train stations?

[unkempt blade]

or hypertube entrances (maybe as a blueprint) could probably chew through a lot of power in a small area

[rustic roost]

oooh true

[shy mulch]

Yes, but you can turn that on/off within the map. Don't know if your settings there will affect other players tho

[rustic roost]

just to occasionally give her a small heart attack moment then instantly fix it xD

[shy mulch]

As my doctor always said. A heart attack a day keeps the apples away

[versed mesa]

@shy mulch my new setup is connected to the electric tower witch goes all the way to my starting factory where the particle accelerator is at i am thinking up I get the gens the last over clocked up it mite be enough to run for creating my 35 last pasta

[white dawn]

For something a little more factoryish, could alternatively blueprint a packaging/unpackaging loop and spam that somewhere. Overclock 'em to 250%, etc. :)

(tube entrances would be a lot more space-efficient, of course)

[unkempt blade]

I like the packager idea, would have a good "wtf is this" component to it whenever they find it

[shrewd gyro]

anyone know how to fix not getting a extra hand slot with the Enhanced Asset Security milestone?

[unkempt blade]

I think SCIM lets you add/remove slots if just reloading the old save and trying again doesn't cut it

[shrewd gyro]

turned the reserch of and back on in SCIM AND IT WORKED

[white dawn]

If there's a long feeder belt from miner->factory somewhere which happens to go near some SAM, and you're lategame, could insert a sneaky resource-conversion loop in there which outputs the identical item rate that was put into it

[shrewd gyro]

was also missing 3 inv slots

[unkempt blade]

this would be entertaining too because it's non-constant amounts of power so it would be even more confusing to see on the graph

[cyan abyss]

I’ve decided that imma use my iPad to help with calculations on satisfactory

[rustic roost]

half tempted to put it underwater too xD power of blueprints >:3

[weary thistle]

Think we'll ever get a map fix with all the weird pockets of water around the norther part of the map? 🙂

[shy mulch]

Try exploring under the map, things get even weirder

[weary thistle]

I can imagine.... 🙂

[heavy anvil]

i liked back when standing on the freighter would send you to the purple land of death

[shy mulch]

There's a spot near a waterfall at the top right where you can fall down and get underground. I built a ton of foundations under there so I could explore without accidentally falling to my death. Was fun being able to see underneath everything. Then I found a random bit of invisible water, went swimming, then ended up stuck in a cave, with zero way out. Ended up building a portal and powered it off some biomass burners to get back home 😁

[crisp jetty]

do factories still operate outside of render distance

[heavy anvil]

dont they eat like 700mw or smth

[reef basin]

everything does

[shy mulch]

I've been back and expanded a bit, I now have a drone port down there importing rocket fuel to power some fuel gens, and built a massive box, like 60x60x60 foundations. Coated it in a mesh of wall power parts so I can hover pack around it. I'll build something fun inside the box at some point, but I'm focused on my other save atm

[cyan abyss]

I’m running into the problem of early game resource problems

Like I’m running into issues of mk2 conveyor belts

[shy mulch]

There are no early game resource problems. If you're low on resources, look further

[cyan abyss]

I mean the limitations of mk2 conveyor belts

[heavy anvil]

split them

[shy mulch]

What exactly are you finding is limited

Which item

[cyan abyss]

The problem is all are maxed at 120 per minute the limit of mk2

[heavy anvil]

more nodes is the only way to fix that really

[cyan abyss]

Mk2 conveyor can’t go past 120 and every single one is at 120

[shy mulch]

What production do you have that needs more than 120

[cyan abyss]

Bad news about that the nearest pure node is over 700 meters away

[cyan abyss]

I am creating smart plates and such

[shy mulch]

Use multiple belts... 🤷

I'm sure you aren't making 120 smart plates per minute

[cyan abyss]

… a single mk2 belt the max that I have atm can only do 120

[heavy anvil]

step 1: direct a chunk of your reinforced plates into a storage container.
step 2: sleep
step 3: build

[cyan abyss]

I’ve had to afk for awhile cuz of smart plates

[heavy anvil]

his extraction of ore is being limited, it seems

[shy mulch]

How many smart plates are you making per minute

[cyan abyss]

But the problem is mk2 conveyor belts are becoming my limitation

[cyan abyss]

4 atm

[cunning glade]

Tbh mk3 pipes would be amazing

[shy mulch]

So how is that limited, 4 is less than 120

[hard mantle]

alr cool i have screws plates and rods automatednow

[cyan abyss]

The iron used to get everything automated

[versed mesa]

Been watching some vids todo with manifolds and pipelines

[autumn lantern]

guys how to remove path signal?

[shy mulch]

You need to be more specific, if you want help, you need to tell us the actual question. I've not seen you name any part that is limited by 120/min

[heavy anvil]

@cyan abyss try using any node thats nearby and then overclocking it as much as you can, not just pure nodes

[true mulch]

dismantle it...?

[autumn lantern]

it was bugged or somthing it wouldnt let me i had to remove the whole thing

[heavy anvil]

or build your smart plates on their own separate chain of nodes. i believe its possible to get 5 smart plating a minute using nothing but mk2 conveyors on a singular iron node

[cyan abyss]

Main problem

The nearest non pure node is also 700+ away

[silver mountain]

thats not too far

[cyan abyss]

I built in the most remote area possible for iron even though there is 4 pure iron nodes there

[shy mulch]

There's iron everywhere around the map

[heavy anvil]

i think the play might just be to build a singular factory on that node for smartplates

[shy mulch]

It's like the most common thing

If there's 4 pure iron nodes, why not use them

[cyan abyss]

Exactly what I did but it required 2 pure nodes to get everything setup

[cyan abyss]

All 4 are being used and completely maxed nonstop

[heavy anvil]

what are the coords

[cyan abyss]

The literal limit atm is mk2 conveyor belts which is starting to get annoying cuz I could just overclock the pure nodes to do 240 but the belt can only do 120

[shy mulch]

Then you have 3 options. Either explore further to build more, or make less of something else to allow yourself to make more smart plates, or just be more patient and wait

[crisp jetty]

biofuel is so ass bro i cannot wait till i finish this coal powerplant

[cyan abyss]

-44869 -139480 for one of the nodes

[shy mulch]

You really don't need that many, 5/min is fine

[versed mesa]

To all new players i recommend setting up multiple if same productions because theys will be needed everytime you complete phases

[shy mulch]

Are you burning it directly or making it into solid biofuel first?

[true mulch]

did you also automate making biomass and solid biofuel from leaves/wood?

[crisp jetty]

solid

[shy mulch]

Then it's fine 4/min makes 30MW

[crisp jetty]

where do i find a sommersloop

[shy mulch]

24 wood per minute turned into SBF will give you 450 MW
Thats enough to see you through to phase 3 tbh. In future saves I'd consider skipping coal power. I can spend 2hr collecting enough wood to last me to fuel

[shrewd gyro]

everywhere, but you can look on https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map for them

[shy mulch]

They are generally in hard to reach places, look in caves and at top of high places

[versed mesa]

They can also be in the woods but guarded

[crisp jetty]

ok im not running out of biofuel but i just keep blowing fuses

[cunning glade]

Oof power factory takes 14gw too run

[versed mesa]

But i mire be thinking more with spheres being guarded more and powerless also crash sites lol

[versed mesa]

What you running

[cunning glade]

Rocket fuel

[versed mesa]

Or wow ive just set mine up

[cunning glade]

Its all the blenders it's also gonna be a drone fuel thing

I think it's gonna make 311gw

[shrewd gyro]

my factory takes just over 300mw lol

[versed mesa]

@cunning glade look in screenshots at my pick the right one ive been working on most of today ive been awake for 24 hours now lol

[versed mesa]

Lol

[crisp jetty]

i wish i could make an apples and bannanas factory

[shrewd gyro]

got 900MW coal and another 180MW in bio burner

[cunning glade]

I need 118 ref and 114 blenders

[versed mesa]

What about pineapple lol

[cunning glade]

Probs can with the farm mod

[versed mesa]

Yoo wtf what you making in those blenders ?

[cunning glade]

Rocket fuel

[sick falcon]

do hatchers respawn

[white dawn]

Hatchers, like all other enemy mob spawns, will respawn (in something like 3 in-game days) unless you've built things nearby. Powered buildings count more towards disabling the spawn than unpowered ones, but AFAIK even enough unpowered stuff will eventually disable the spawn

[versed mesa]

Damn you must have different recipe to me i did not need to use blenders just refineries

[sick falcon]

ty

[simple flame]

Finally just hit 1gw max usage

[versed mesa]

@cunning glade or rockets fuel am thinking of Turbo fuel lol

[shy mulch]

Look at nitro alt recipe for rocket fuel

[crisp jetty]

can you tame the lizard doggo

[cunning glade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=bu0RsQwyIGcS63LpbYar

[shy mulch]

Yep

[crisp jetty]

how do i do such a thing

[shy mulch]

If you want spoilers, the wiki has a full explanation/guide

[crisp jetty]

these blade runners are the nicest thing in the whole game

[versed mesa]

Have you reached Turbo fuel yet lol

[cunning glade]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=jMb4NSUmj1KtIRZT4q8G for drones

Wait do u need too package the fuel for drones

[unkempt blade]

yeah like how ||Bruce Willis was a ghost the entire time and he haunts mercer spheres to this day||

[cunning glade]

Pretty sure

[shy mulch]

I've only seen the first 74 minutes of that movie, no spoilers please

[crisp jetty]

naw

[versed mesa]

Idk i just did it anyways but I've seen they use it but ive not got drones set up yet

[versed mesa]

You mite change your mind when you do lol

[cunning glade]

If u plan too use it for drones I'd rec rocket

Or bats

Both better

[versed mesa]

Rocket fuel whats Bats ?

[cunning glade]

Battery

[crisp jetty]

how do i ensure that my water pipelines are maintaining max pressure

[versed mesa]

Damn

[white dawn]

What's the actual problem you're running into, btw? "maintaining max pressure" isn't something that makes a lot of sense w/ Satisfactory's fluid simulation

[versed mesa]

Don't talk to me about them pipes I was having issues earlier but manahe to fix it by splitting the pipe in 3 sections for 3 oil extractors to flow in nicely also I believe ive not fully been installing pumps correctly lol

[crisp jetty]

uhhh idk i havent started doing it yet, but i just wanna make sure im not losing water production rate as its travelling through the pipeline

[cunning glade]

Have u done aluminum?

[versed mesa]

Yeah twice lol

[cunning glade]

That's fun cuz the pipes feed themselves pretty much

[unkempt blade]

if you move the water to a certain height above the extractor just read about https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Pipeline_Pump

otherwise you don't need to worry about it

[versed mesa]

Yeah tell me about it lol

[crisp jetty]

god damn these coal generators are expensive

[versed mesa]

And Aluminium ingots are a pain also

They are slow but not slow I end up running down and up to make sure everything is running nicely obviously the Aluminium ingots are not but they making what I need at slow speed witch is Aluminium casings

[crisp jetty]

should i put a miner on this sam node i found

[hard ivy]

definitely

[versed mesa]

Is it pure ?

[crisp jetty]

no

impure

[cunning glade]

I found it all easy tbh

[versed mesa]

Or not great tbh I dont what my one is lol

[cunning glade]

Few pipe issues but after fixing them

[crisp jetty]

would it be a bad idea to rebuild my iron factory on pure nodes rather than normal