satisfactory

[cunning siren]

I am human 🤔

[shy mulch]

shoot for the stars, let's see those 7 😄

1575 coupons to get 1 of each statue, do that and put them on a mk1 conveyor that goes round in a circle 😄

[feral geyser]

already done

[shy mulch]

😄

[feral geyser]

but they are soooo small on belts

much better to place them

have the slugs ride around on belts

[shy mulch]

awww I just placed mine, never bothered to put them on conveyor yet, shame they aren't the same 🙁

yeah slug train is fun

I've got an obscene amount of slugs stored, I'm gonna do a roller coaster for them eventually

[feral geyser]

same

i don't remember exactly, but i've got several 10's of millions of pts/min, which is not enough

i cheesed phase 5, so i don't have a "factory" for phase 5 parts

[boreal musk]

yeah 10mil isnt enough when your save is already at 100+ hrs

so ill go at least 50mil

[feral geyser]

here, i'll check

[shy mulch]

it is enough, eventually 😛

[feral geyser]

i could turn down graphics and leave it running for a few days 😭

[shy mulch]

Or just spend your time playing, there's plenty other things to do. Go collect more things, do some cool architecture, automate more stuff, improve your transport network etc., the points will build up in the background as you go along

[feral geyser]

eh, i'm running low on motivation in this save

1500+ hours

[shy mulch]

I currently have 1 of each statue and award, and have approx 2k coupons sitting waiting to be spent. At current rate just leaving it running I get 1 coupon every 200 seconds

I don't generally leave it afk, I just design and build things pretty slowly, so the points have plenty time to build up

[feral geyser]

it's worse than i thought, it's only 5mil/min 😭

[boreal musk]

gotta ramp that numbers up

[shy mulch]

ooh yeah you want more than that for sure

[feral geyser]

i just like hunting though lol

[shy mulch]

my goal was 25/min ballistic warp drives, and I finally finished that factory 2 days ago, so I'm buzzing watching the points fly up haha, got so much design still to do though

[feral geyser]

ugh, i guess i'll build another something

[shy mulch]

it looks a bit naked atm 🙂

[boreal musk]

i can go for 50/min bwd if i just semi craft other parts

and sloop it

[shy mulch]

yeah at that scale you have to start really thinking about the most efficient ways to do it, because running out of nodes becomes a real concern, with 25/min I was able to just keep throwing more resources at it without thinking too much

[boreal musk]

last save i was automating every phase 5 parts so i was pretty limited on sam to get more bwd

[shy mulch]

yeah SAM is defo the limiter

[feral geyser]

#screenshots message
is this the known dupe glitch?

i have so many leaves because of this 😭

[dense violet]

you wouldn't download a part would you?

Yeah, I download a car every day

[feral geyser]

i mean, 3d print schematics 🤷‍♂️

do those count?

[cunning glade]

Love doctor who

Peak show

[cursive crane]

Submit to the qa site

!qa

Bot still broken or wrong command?

[cunning glade]

As a half gay man I do

I love matt Smith

[cursive crane]

!wikisearch doggy

[raven axle]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=doggy

[cunning glade]

He was solid asf too a lot of people overlook him cause David was so liked

[dense violet]

the writing wasn't great for smith

he did what he could with it

[cunning glade]

How so I don't think the writing was that bad

I don't mind it considering how old some of it is

[dense violet]

god it's been years so this will be, at this point, mostly just impressions.

I liked river song as a character but the whole are ... wasn't done well? The silence and the church seemed both Overarching and looming, and ... almost pointless somehow?

There were a number of individual episodes that were great but it wasn't cohesive

Eccleston might have had the tightest season, but I haven't seen a lot of the newer ones

if you like scifi/fantasy things it's worthwhile? even the not so great seasons/drs

entertaining xD

[feral geyser]

??

you're typing words, but you're not saying anything

Rob Schneider

#off-topic-general

[pearl flare]

how do I disable camera auto adjust while driving vehicles? its driving me insane

[feral geyser]

I would assume in settings somewhere

[pearl flare]

that's what I assumed

driving on a skybridge is pretty dangerous when camera goes apeshit

[boreal musk]

press C

[pearl flare]

that seems to fix the main issue thanks, but now I cant look around oh well

wish wasd+mouse was completely separate

dying was cut down though so this is progress

[fleet geyser]

Anybody wanna be friends?

[minor sierra]

Happy to hear it helped:) glhf with your plans

[hybrid swift]

just a question, have any dupe glitches been found in version 1.1? I want lots of mercer spheres but really dont want to run around for them

[leaden turret]

if you want to cheat, just cheat

[hybrid swift]

mb, its also that theres a limit on mercer spheres you can get in a world

[leaden turret]

AGS has a thing for just giving you items

[outer hatch]

They might be on console, and can't edit them in/use mods.

[leaden turret]

AGS

[outer hatch]

Huh. You learn something every day.

(Still on my first run, so I stayed clear of them as instructed.)

So far I'm stuck in a "workshop" mindset. (Slooped, Container-based-input/output machines not linked to other machines, that I re-configure as needed).

I haven't managed to make a really automated Factory yet. (My most complex Ore-to-Object chain is Modular Frame)

[dense violet]

Best automate things further

[real shale]

The factory must grow...

[minor sierra]

The factory has been growing for 250 hours so far

[shy mulch]

stayed clear of what? mercer spheres? why?

[outer hatch]

AGS

[shy mulch]

Ah, yeah it's not for everyone

Everyone has their own way of playing, so do what pleases you

[outer hatch]

It straight up tells you at New Game, "If it's your first run, don't click here"

[shy mulch]

It basically ruins the storyline and kills achievements, and just lets you play the entire game like a sandbox

If you want to actually play the game, then don't. But if you want to skip stuff, go for it

[vocal wolf]

hgelo cjhat

how do you get lightstrips

[shy mulch]

use signs, from the awesome shop, remove the text and just use the background colour

[versed mesa]

👋

[vocal wolf]

couldnt have thought of that, thanks

man ssf community is so friendly i hope it stays like this

[shy mulch]

it's often like that, but not always, just stay positive and hopefully the same vibes come back to you 🙂

[vestal hill]

I’m totally stealing that

[vestal hill]

Thanks again!

[vestal hill]

So real this is such a nice community

[unkempt blade]

we're a friendly group as long as you use factory carts according to community standards menacing gesture

[vocal wolf]

i put like 500 factory carts neatly arranged in a 20x20m hole at all times in case i need them

[unkempt blade]

they'd really prefer to be frolicking between truck stations delivering you materials but just the sheer quantity has you on the right side of community standards

[vocal wolf]

i wish theyd make hypertubes factory cart compatiable

[unkempt blade]

agreed, but at least you can drive them over jump pads

[peak wasp]

been a long time since ive played but dont have much time to look over patches, anyone wanna give me a rundown of the past 6 months or so?

[shy mulch]

there's only been 1 patch in last 6 months

[unkempt blade]

last 6mo is just the 1.1 stuff basically

[peak wasp]

i thought we were stopping at 1.0 lolz

other than hotfixes

[unkempt blade]

satis is eternal, don't question the gifts from the blessed creators

[peak wasp]

...did the doggos get in the studio again

[glacial oar]

i need some help

im new to the game and i just got to phase 2, so i decided its time to start building a proper "factory"

but i need some tips, like how much of the resources in my area do i use and how do i split them between the items i need ?

[unkempt blade]

There's no real downside to using local resources as long as you have enough power for what you're building. There's not really a magic number of items to build but you'll get a feel for what you need/more less of as you hit bottlenecks

you'll get better miners, etc and be able to overclock them as you progress so you'll be getting a lot more resources per node than you're currently going to be able to consume

your early factories are going to be relatively small/simple compared to later game so if you need to adjust the output it shouldn't be too awful to do

[glacial oar]

yeah cause ive progressed to the point where i unlocked all the tiers available to me but im unsure how to use my resources now that i need to rebuild, guess ill try your advice and just start building

thank you

[outer hatch]

Yeah, at phase 1/phase 2, you're building your factory on a "as it works" basis. Add machines as needed, adjust on the fly, and stuff like that.

[unkempt blade]

I'd pay attention to these and try to automate the stuff as you need more of it

1. what you need to start hub research
2. what you need for MAM research
3. what the space elevator needs

[glacial oar]

mmm

well thanks again for the advice

[unkempt blade]

the research goals do a good job or steering you towards the next tiers of items so you'll see a lot of them coming that way

[vocal wolf]

on my 2nd playthrough i tried to get the nobelisk detonator because i absolutely HATE those spore flower things

[glacial oar]

also how should i use my somersloops and power shards for machines ?

[cursive crane]

Sloop the end of the line, if you have power and space sloop the whole line

[unkempt blade]

They increase power cost a lot so I'd be mindful of that early game. I mostly use sloops on the space elevator items early game and that's it

[dense violet]

shards are basically infinite - use them how you like. Miners get you a mechanical benefit

sloops... just dupe things? I guess use it for things you don't like building more of

[dense violet]

even a fully, 250% overcocked, system uses only 33% more power. It's not a huge deal.

[glacial oar]

alrighty then

[cursive crane]

Just be careful slooping+sharding particle accelerator. If you didnt plan enough power its a quick crash lol

[outer hatch]

Early game, shards should go onto

1. Generators, then
2. Miners, then
3. Everything else

[dense violet]

all that putting them in generators does is save you space....

[violet oyster]

Guys, a quick question cause I cant seem to find an answer, Is Rocket Fuel considered a fluid or a gas? Some threads ive seen mention its actually considered a gas, thus not needing headlift

[dense violet]

and early game and late game you have infinite space

[unkempt blade]

since we're talking to a new player I just want to make sure they're aware this is 33% per item and not 33% more to run the machine

[dense violet]

gas. check the wiki

[violet oyster]

Yeh I had a look already, I assumed that was the case but just wanted to confirm before I build 700 generators haha

[dense violet]

eh. go nuclear and build 70 for the same power

[cursive crane]

Sloop the whole line of alien data for your first sloop factory. Its like...8x? Or 16x? The amount of remains. Lots of early game coupons

8x

[unkempt blade]

because a 250% overclock is going to more than triple the actual power cost of a constructor running

[violet oyster]

I dont really have the infrastructure for Nuclear at the moment, Im too deep in the rocket fuel plans at the moment

[dense violet]

sure but you also divide the number of constructors you need by 2.5, so it's not a big deal

[violet oyster]

Plus its my first playthough, so I wanna do both 🙂

[dense violet]

all you need is some power storage to kick start it.

then do like.. 100 fuel gens.

[unkempt blade]

if you're in phase 2 and running on like 16 coal gens or whatever it can matter 😆

[dense violet]

honestly one of the dumbest things the devs did for 1.0

[violet oyster]

Yeh I know, I just like using fuel haha

[minor sierra]

#screenshots message @faint locust how would you like to have the gap filled in? There are ways to stop the zfighting. If you want one foundation to have priority, you can raise that foundation just a tiny bit using pillars.
Usually placing a temporary pillar in the middle of said foundation, deleting the foundation, and adding it back by placing it on the bottom of the pillar will raise it ever so slightly. Otherwise theres another method i can find a video of if you want

[shy mulch]

In my first playthrough I did alternating growth
After I had 2 separate attempts at scaling up coal
Small-ish fuel generator farm
Then a bigger fuel gen farm
Then a single nuke plant
Then played with turbofuel and went a bit bigger
Then a slightly bigger nuke plant, with 4 uranium and 2 plutonium at 250% clock
Then upgraded my turbofuel thing to rocket fuel
Then did a bigger scale nuke plant
Then went megascale on my rocket fuel
I've left everything in place, even the single nuke plant and the coal plants, everything all still running. More than enough power now, and I like being able to go around my world and see my progress like a history lesson. Still, considering building another bigger nuke plant, loads of unused uranium around, but I'd have to probably stick with sinking plutonium rods or storing plutonium waste, because I've not got enough SAM left to do more ficsonium

[solid flax]

#screenshots message
Uhhhh, okay so this halves my copper usage for copper sheets. Which is CRAZY. But is it worth it? Am I actually gonna need that many copper sheets?

[shy mulch]

it's a good alt that one imo, but have a look up on the wiki and see what copper sheets are used in, and decide for yourself how much you think you'll need

[unkempt blade]

I like that recipe a lot. It's just trading copper ore for increased power cost basically

[unkempt blade]

circuit boards, ai limiters, heat sinks I think would be the big ones

[shy mulch]

yep

[boreal musk]

i only use pure copper sheets alt when said factory needs hella ton of them, but if it only needs like below 100, i just use the regular one

[solid flax]

Aight, I'm taking it 👍

[dense violet]

depending on the recipes you use later? yeah. But you can also largely cut them out

[unkempt blade]

yeah or you can use the copper rotor recipe and get the joy of using both screws and copper sheets

[modern jungle]

Why is there no floor in the deep water

I just fell out of the map while building a power plant, and I can't place any water extractors out there

now I can't even get my stuff back

[grim ermine]

This always misses me off

Early game when im building coal i always run out of room placing my water extractors

Wish the ocean had a bit more ocean

[sick dragon]

The north and west have plenty of space to work with.... im surprised you would run out of room there for coal....

[boreal musk]

where are you building?

im pretty sure each starter area has enough water to feed 100+ coal gens

[vocal wolf]

where do lizard doggos spawn

do i have to regret starting in the desert

[tranquil maple]

no the have a decent chance to spawn anywhere

u just have bad luck

[vocal wolf]

🥀

[dense violet]

fake water

[dense violet]

the ocea is huge and there's tons of water on the map. No idea why you keep choosing to build in fake water

[grim ermine]

Its literally tiny...

Maybe in some places its bigger than others

I always build north east in the rocky desert where there is 4 coal nodes

[outer hatch]

Can't you snap foundation downwards into the ocean, remove all the top ones and build the extractors?

[frail sleet]

there's enough ocean for millions of m3/min of water

[grim ermine]

Ive never tried that

[frail sleet]

the fake water is not actually water so you can't get anything from it

[grim ermine]

Yeah but I still wish you build further out

[frail sleet]

Ye it would be nice sometimes. Especially on the west coast there's barely any ocean at parts of it because the water turns into fake water

Most of it is in the northwestern quadrant, there's a big chunk in the southwest and also the east/northeast ocean has probably a few million m3.

[outer hatch]

/r/hydrohomies in shambles.

[shy mulch]

Where exactly are you building that's causing you to run out of water?

[frail sleet]

Map spoilers: https://i.imgur.com/pZ0Z3Z0.png

this is roughly where the ocean water actually is. Not sure about the furthest east and furthest southwest bits.

There are several large areas where you can extract on the scale of 1 million m3/min with OC'd water extractors, and there are many where you can extract on the 10-100k/min scale

the thin strip on the northwest is where it's most annoying because the ocean just ends in the middle of your build

[shy mulch]

The water to the east of the dune desert is where my ingot refining happens. I've filled right up to the edge of the playable area with refineries and extractors. I could make more by building the refineries above the extractors, there's still tons of space, even in that limited area you'd have to be doing a serious megabuild to come anywhere near running out of water

[frail sleet]

usually it is grassy fields, the biome which paradoxically has the least amount of water (much less than either of the deserts lol)

but rocky desert has plenty, albeit mostly medium sized areas outside of the north

[keen dome]

yo!

[sharp mantle]

I need a bit of advice, I'm planning to make steel, and i found 2 deposits that have 2 normal quality iron each, i was wondering if i should use all 4 or use 2 and leave the other 2 for something else?

[shy mulch]

Even in grassy fields, the coal nodes just to the north have a decent amount of water to support all the generators you'd reasonably need to get you through to fuel power

[frail sleet]

use what you need, find more later. You won't run out

[frail sleet]

yeah, but excepting that it's remarkably dry. I didn't find that area until long into my first playthrough. The little puddles are really tight, and the border is voidspace rather than ocean

[sharp mantle]

I don't get it, should i use all 4?

[shy mulch]

You're not gonna run out of iron, so go nuts. But at the same time, there's no point building more than you need. You'll probably expand it later anyway

[boreal musk]

that crater has enough water to feed 100+ coal gens

[frail sleet]

https://i.imgur.com/rqFgBwc.png these ponds are more like 16 if you build carefully though 😄

[boreal musk]

theres also another lake up to the west not far

which is larger than the crater

[sharp mantle]

I'm more worry about storage

[atomic notch]

Also two water wells but ones way doen in the hole

[frail sleet]

https://i.imgur.com/2c3QhCI.png These do work great. But if you don't know that they're there, the biome is remarkably dry

Also when searching coal it pinged me over 1km away to the south, i was not really considering to walk 200m in the other direction to get another ping 1km away from that which would then be better

[frail sleet]

what about storage

[shy mulch]

Why do you need to store?

[sharp mantle]

The steel

[frail sleet]

Ye just make 1 or 2 machines producing each final item, 2-4 industrial containers per final item and you're good

[shy mulch]

But why store it?

[sharp mantle]

No i don't mean the ingot itself

[frail sleet]

it's trivial to build more storage than you could ever want (with the probable exception of uranium waste)

[atomic notch]

Yeah just drop an isc boom storage

[shy mulch]

There's not much reason to store anything really. I use storages that feed dimensional depots for things that I use in construction, and I use storages as buffers to smooth out rail and drone transport deliveries. Other than that, just feed machines into other machines to make things needed for space elevator, or research, or sink points

[reef basin]

why do you need to store ingots? 🤔

it's literally not used for anything 😄

[harsh anvil]

Has anyone experimented with this scenario:
I have 2 pipes inputting water into a 4 way junction. I have 1 output pipe from the junction.. The two input pipes have the same flow rate, but one of them has higher head lift. Which head lift is applied to the output pipe? the higher one, or the lower one?

[leaden turret]

we do what we must because we can

[frail sleet]

counterpoint: correctly buffering your DD inputs (which can mean more than a few ISC's) can prevent some scenarios where your production rate would have been enough, but you run out of items because your production was idling/sunk rather than continually refilling a larger buffer.

Classic examples: If you get to P5 and want to build an appropriate amount of power storages, you're liable to instantly drain your storage of parts like modular frames and wires, while your machines have been sinking them for 97% of the game rather than building stores for the item that you actually do need now.

Likewise with Concrete, you may have trivial concrete spending for 50 hours and then suddenly want to put down a structure which is thousands of tens of thousands of foundations. If you only have one ISC on concrete, your concrete production would have been idle for at least 90% of the last 50 hours and you'll run out of concrete. This is a buffer issue, not a throughput issue. If you had 10 ISC's, your entire 50 hours of concrete is banked and ready to go, and your effective production rate was 10x higher without any more material input.

That being said, there are many places where buffers are useless or worse than useless. End of the production line is just an easy one to spam them - it takes very little time, resources and attention or opportunity cost to do so, and the payoff can be huge.

[minor sierra]

probably the higher one, but that could be a fun experiment indeed

actually might try it rn, why not

[pearl flare]

can I copy&paste recipe from one machine to another?

[minor sierra]

yes, you should be able to by using ctrl+c and ctrl+v

it should copy paste the exact same thing into the machine, overclocked and all (if you have enough shards)

though since the last update, using the block picker (middle mouse button) will place the item that was picked, colour and recipe included iirc

[harsh anvil]

Yes. Its a life saver sometimes

[minor sierra]

ill test that too real quick for you

[pearl flare]

been using the mmb copying a lot, no clue why the brain didnt think of ctrlc/ctrlv 😄

doing blueprints back to back to back here

[harsh anvil]

Thanks. I'll try it myself. Might make my next coal plant in the air,,,

[minor sierra]

yeah it works both ways, both mmb and ctrl c ctrl v

blueprints can be huge time savers if you do repeating things yeah, but i dont really use it often

[shy mulch]

I don't think that's a counterpoint, you seem to be agreeing with me

Also, something I only found out recently. Press F then R to go to blueprint delete mode, then middle mouse button, will select the entire blueprint for duplication

[pearl flare]

gonna do a main bus setup, it seems like a real hassle in the beginning, but it's gonna help with spaghetti anxiety, so ill be slapping blueprints on the sides without calculating inputs/outputs, just viewing it from a tower and slapping in more if I see empty belts 😄

[unkempt blade]

this sounds less like buffering and more like storage or a mall or something

[frail sleet]

I think mostly yes, but a lot of people think like.. 1 ISC, or 2 ISC's is always fine/optimal/overkill. My point is that it's not, sometimes scaling to 10 or more is actually appropriate.

Larger buffers often allow for smooth operation with a smaller production rate, and thus less resource input and less build time. The buffers themselves are basically trivial to build.

[minor sierra]

lemme guess, factorio enjoyer?

hehe

[shy mulch]

I have 34 for concrete lol

[pearl flare]

absolutely, gleba is best place to be

[shy mulch]

17 depots with 2 ISC behind each one

[frail sleet]

It's the dictionary definition of buffering. Average of say 5/min goes out, average of say 5/min goes in, but the buffer holds enough so that you can serve this by suddenly dumping 50,000 of something after 10,000 minutes and and it will still work. Without a buffer of adequate size, you have to continuously spend or you lose useful machine and resource time. With, you don't.

Buffering for not just 1 or even 10 hours but sometimes 100 or more hours can actually be useful sometimes in this game.

[minor sierra]

good stuff, i really want to like the game but i need my buildings

[unkempt blade]

but your examples are both just the final product - stuff you're using to build with

[frail sleet]

Yes

[unkempt blade]

exactly

[minor sierra]

what are we buffering?

[unkempt blade]

we're not, we're storing final products 😄

[minor sierra]

ohh just slap an industrial bin down with a depot and whabam

B)

[frail sleet]

In a buffer. 😄

[unkempt blade]

satisfactory doesn't have resource inputs that decrease over time like you would see in factorio/DSP so you don't need to buffer parts of the production chain to keep them running

[minor sierra]

unless you use the items faster than they come in, why buffer?

[frail sleet]

Mid chain, yes you do not. You only need to buffer things where input or output are variable, particularly highly variable.

[unkempt blade]

exactly, and then it's not doing the math correctly to keep production constant

[minor sierra]

true

[minor sierra]

yeah so at truck or train stops maybe

[dense violet]

they really aren't useful in satisfactory. The design process is very different

[dense violet]

a lot more work for no real benefit.

belts in SF are much slower compared to what production line demands are. You often need multiple full belts of just 1 item type for a few sections of factory

[frail sleet]

So imagine you product 5/min of something, store 50 of it, and you don't want to spend any for 10 hours.

At T+10 hours you build, and you run out after having spent 50 when you've barely started on your build. That's not good.

However if you have a 10-hour buffer, you're capable of spending 3000 of that item all at once, which is a lot more than 50.

They both produce at an average of 5/min, but the production chain with the smaller buffer at the end forces its machines to idle and throw away most of their useful production time.

Variable output rate (you don't want to spend 5 of it every minute and keep coming back to that item every minute forever, you might want to spend none for a while and then loads all at once) is what makes buffers neccesary.

[minor sierra]

people say this all the time, and while i think satisfactory can be played in better ways, if you like a big ol bus then you go right ahead and build that thang :D

[pearl flare]

I can see that, it just helps me keep things tidy

[minor sierra]

well yeah but one industrial bin would most always be enough material no?

[dense violet]

I mean if you like hitting your head against the wall you're also free to do that. Doesn't change anything.

[tall lantern]

depends on the material and what you're doing

[frail sleet]

In many cases yes, in many cases no.

[minor sierra]

at least i havent come to a point where im running out of items, even concrete and i build a lot of roads

[tall lantern]

things like concrete can easily be churned through

[minor sierra]

then again, i try making things pretty so i do spend a lot of time

[dense violet]

production and resources in SF are all static unlike factorio. Create dedicated production lines and you'll have fewer belts going around

[minor sierra]

bit of a mid take, if you like bussing from factorio it will work just fine in satisfactory too

its just not what the game is designed for, but it will work

[pearl flare]

making a bus

[unkempt blade]

using your definition is putting stuff in the depot "buffering"?

[frail sleet]

The depot has a buffer yes but it's very small. 6 stacks

[minor sierra]

which item do you need 10 hours worth of that you spend immediately?

genuinely curious

[unkempt blade]

is the inventory a buffer?

[minor sierra]

id say so

[tall lantern]

one you need to preemptively fill, yes

[dense violet]

never said 'it couldn't work', I pointed out the negatives and lack of benefits. You need to work on your 'mid' reading comprehension

[green fiber]

they "work" but your mileage wont be nearly as great as you would get from using busses in factorio

[minor sierra]

you do you man, not here to fight but you just came over a bit rude for no apparent reason

[dense violet]

please stop making up things I didn't say.

[frail sleet]

Wire and modular frames if you want to build a bunch of power storage. My experience and that of several friends was they try to make some and immediately run out of both, and their machines have been idling for 95% of the save because they had a full ISC or two. Spent in seconds, and they can't get back that idle time or those sunk items.

Concrete for larger builds. If you want to put down 50,000 foundations in an hour (which is something that i have done a handful of times), that's 350k concrete. If you have 15 ISC's, produce concrete at 100/min and haven't done a megabuild in the last 59 hours, you've got all of the concrete that you need.

If you don't have ISC's, you need to produce ~1000 concrete per min instead of 100 per min.

Building 15 ISC's is trivially easy, and obviously the correct solution.

[dense violet]

if you think clearly pointing something out is 'rude' maybe try not taking it as a personal attack. If you don't like that a thing is a certain way do things a different way

[unkempt blade]

15 ISCs is an insane amount of anything to keep on hand even with an MP server

[frail sleet]

Not for concrete, wires, modular frames. If you will consume very little for 10 or 100 hours and then consume a massive amount suddenly, you need ISC's.

Without them you have to build far more items per minute, which is a much more expensive and challenging solution to the same problem.

[pearl flare]

the dreamis to see all products in a tidy one way street ata glance all saturated, if its unfun or inefficient I dont care, the factory must grow

[limpid cairn]

to hire internships to craft stuff for us obv !!!

we cant let the intern on the main factory at first

[unkempt blade]

you need to store 360k concrete to meet burst demand? 🙄

[dense violet]

and look, if you want, you can paint yourself like a lion and dance naked in the street. I'm not going to stop you.

I'm just pointing out certain issues with a specific idea

you are free to make a bus

[frail sleet]

I have built 50,000 foundations in an hour probably seven or eight times already. Bit of an extreme example, but a real record of my actual ingame behavior.

I could build part of a floor and then go and work on something else or afk, and then build another part of a floor, then afk again and just repeat that 30 times - but there is no need. Appropriately sized buffers are a magic fix which are trivial to implement. If you have 5 or maybe 15 isc's on your concrete rather than 0 or 1, you will avoid running out with far less per-minute production. It's much easier and more effective than building 2x or 3x or 10x as much per-min concrete production.

Likewise on Power Storage, you don't want to put down 240 of them and they you can't connect a power pole because you drained yourself from full storage of Wire to literally zero wire in a few clicks, while your Wire constructors have been idle for 97% of the game. If they were filling more ISC's then the problem doesn't exist and you can build bigger, easier.

If your buffer never gets less than half full despite having built all of the stuff that you need, then you've probably built it too big, but too big is better than too small.

If your production is idling or sinking, ever, and you run out of that material - not enough buffers. That idle or sink time could be useful materials for you to spend instead of being depleted.

If your buffer empties a long time after production started because your average outflow is higher than your average input, then you don't have enough per-min production (but this is a lot rarer than i think most people realise!)

[sharp mantle]

I meant steel pipe and beam

Not steel ingot

[minor sierra]

okay if you want to keep going, sure

He says "gonna do a bus", you say they arent useful.
then i say eh its whatever, if he likes a bus he can make a bus. I did not even disagree with you
then you say: "I mean if you like hitting your head against the wall you're also free to do that. Doesn't change anything.", which i call a bit rude so i say thats a mid take, people can enjoy the game multiple ways
then you say: "never said 'it couldn't work', I pointed out the negatives and lack of benefits. You need to work on your 'mid' reading comprehension", thing is i didnt disagree with you earlier either
then you say: "please stop making up things I didn't say.", while youre doing exactly that with me. And youre calling me out for my reading comprehension

anyway

[minor sierra]

tested it out, it does indeed apply the higher headlift :)

[ashen belfry]

Bus in a smaller building is fine in my opinion.
However if you want to build a mega factory and have most items on the belt and build it centralized, it's a very bad idea.
I did that. Was a really bad decision regarding fps and general building

[tranquil maple]

Is it really that deep whether or not ppl build belt busses?

[minor sierra]

apparently lol

[unkempt blade]

yeah for a megafactory you should use trains or the ever popular factory cart bus instead

[minor sierra]

my lord factory carts, ive never actually used them

[ashen belfry]

#screenshots message

[minor sierra]

heh, thats crazy

[ashen belfry]

Here is my variation of that phenomen

[minor sierra]

lmao

what sorcery is this

[ashen belfry]

In theory the explanation is easy.
Water from the upper pipe flows down, provides headlift and pushes water the other side up

[outer hatch]

... the headlift "loops" is what happens, I think? I don't know how it got high enough the first time, but by the time it did, it goes round and round ?

Yeah, that.

[minor sierra]

oh didnt think of that

yeah that makes sense

[ashen belfry]

But here is the weird thing. It actually uses more than 1 pipe worth of water.

[dense violet]

there's an infinite headlift bug that sometimes hapens. Don't rely on it, it'll disapear

[ashen belfry]

Actually it is still there after at least 250h of playtime

[dense violet]

sure. But you can't control when / how it turns off

[green fiber]

no, the used junctions are in a bugged orientation

the junctions up top and at the bottom are in vertical alignment and rotated the right way

this is a universally consistent behaviour with junctions and has been so for a long time.
But it is a bug and i HOPE it is still on their list of eventual fixes

[ashen belfry]

So this shouldn't work without any junctions?

[green fiber]

yes

if you remove the top and bottom junctions that are rotated vertically it should break

[ashen belfry]

Gonna test that in the next days when I got time

Could test it right now but I got no solid surface for my mouse.
And I know battery doesn't last when playing Satisfactory

[minor sierra]

thats actually really interesting, but wdym with bugged orientation? Isnt that an intended behavior when placing on a wall? Or do you just mean that in this orientation, it is bugged?

[feral geyser]

We had this discussion a few days ago, i'll try to find a link.

[minor sierra]

oo epic, ty :)

[green fiber]

its not related to walls.
the most consitent way is to snap a pipe to a pipe that was spanned horizontaly and turn it so 2 connectors face up and down

if you snap a junction to a pipe thats spanned vertically, you also get a vertical junction
But if you CLOSELY look at the 2 junctions, you will notice the markings on them are not facing the same way

[feral geyser]

#math-and-meta message

From there and a little ways down.

There is a lot to unpack but they shared links too and videos

[minor sierra]

ill check it out soon, ty :D

[feral geyser]

Reiterates what McGalleon is saying just now

[green fiber]

I made a QA post on that a long time ago - before we knew what caused it

[feral geyser]

Also, do a bus if you want

[green fiber]

I only documented the fact that junctions just sometimes dont correctly seem to evaluate "height" or "head lift"

[feral geyser]

Cobalt is a notorious naysayer

[green fiber]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/post/644ede8f5298eb579df106ae

[feral geyser]

Do what you want, you'll figure out what works and what doesn't

[green fiber]

So this bug is kinda ancient

and unless you pay attention to junction orientation - if you build 2 "identical" factories and one works and the other doesnt - this may be why

When you place junctions on walls, the orienation you get is entirely dependant on what it was when you last placed a junction

So not even placing them on walls (without trying to turn them) is consistent.

[feral geyser]

Basically, if you're trying to build a junction on a vertical piece of pipe, it will give you the bad way

[green fiber]

It will give you the "correct" way junctions should kinda work.
And if you build it on a horizontal pipe, it gives you the "bugged" way that magically makes head lift increase

[feral geyser]

Other way around. If you build on a horizontal pipe, you should be fine.

[green fiber]

In regards to behaviour - yes.
in regards to which one is "bugged" - its the horizontal pipe one

[feral geyser]

Building on a vertical pipes rotates the weld lines

Wtf, that's the exact opposite of the discussion we had a bit back.

[green fiber]

You WANT the bugged behaviour because it works better than vanilla - but it also breaks head lift
Thats why its the "bugged" orientation

the bugged orientation magically has higher head lift on the top junction connector

which can push fluid up freely and also has better flow rate behaviour

but that doesnt mean this is correct behaviour

[feral geyser]

Yes, Aeryn explained that, and that orientation doesn't happen if you build off of an existing horizontal pipe.

[feral geyser]

"Better...behavior"?

[green fiber]

it just works better

it doesnt interrupt flow rate as much

has to do with the junctions internal math on which output to fill in what order

[feral geyser]

Hmmm

I'm leaving again

I don't care to get into a pipe discussion

[green fiber]

too bad, you already were in one

[minor sierra]

good to know this exists though, ty for the info :D

[feral geyser]

Show me your mega-bus when you're done with it

[minor sierra]

oh that wasnt even for me lol

i was just telling someone else that if they want to make a bus, they should make a bus

[jovial magnet]

how do i find sam

[ashen belfry]

Wanna see mine?

[feral geyser]

Yessss

[feral geyser]

Where did you start?

[jovial magnet]

rocky desert

[feral geyser]

Ooooh. So there is a SAM vein up that waterfall that goes into the forest (SE-ish corner of your biome)

[ashen belfry]

#screenshots message

[feral geyser]

It's near the 3 pure coal veins up there

[jovial magnet]

ok thanks

[feral geyser]

Hell yeah. The only reason I don't like big buses in my factory is cuz i like to build compact and walkable spaces, but that looks great

[ashen belfry]

It is walkable

Just takes some time

[feral geyser]

compact

[fickle cargo]

Any1 want to join and lend a hand? https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/1421124346704953447

[feral geyser]

I would... buuut I am already in my pajamas.

[fickle cargo]

and?

PJs never stopped any1

[limpid cairn]

its 5 pm why are you in your pajamas

[fickle cargo]

timezones?

[feral geyser]

First, it's 8 am for me lol

[feral geyser]

But also, it's a futurama reference

[limpid cairn]

perfect time to hop on and play

[silk ocean]

Any time is the perfect time to play Satisfactory XD

[fickle cargo]

so you wanna come?

[ripe heart]

Oooweee I just found a way to automate 10 rotors, stators and 5 motors… Thank you alt recipes

Late game is MINE!!!

I js gotta sloop a constructor…

[feral geyser]

I sadly cannot right now

[fickle cargo]

rough

[plain marten]

what could be some cool arbitrary goals i could set after beating phase 5

[atomic notch]

max nuclear

[minor sierra]

do you mean numbers to hit or things like making places walkable and good looking?

[atomic notch]

max anything really is what a lot of people do

[plain marten]

some soort of product

per min to hit

[atomic notch]

max sink points

[plain marten]

but i wonder what product could offer the most fun challenge

[reef basin]

roll a dice for product and amount 🤷

[plain marten]

nah i want a complex product not some 10000x ironplates per min

perhaps ficsonium could be good

[atomic notch]

yeah do like max ficsonium

[plain marten]

ok what are all the things ficsonium needs

[atomic notch]

lots

[plain marten]

nice because i dont want to make a product that only uses one type of node

[silk ocean]

A lot of very end-game components

[atomic notch]

no its prolly uses everything just from a guess

if not you could with alts

its made from plutonium waste so you need uranium fuel rods and plutonium fuel rods automated

but they also use singularity cells so you need nuclear pasta automated as well

[plain marten]

oh well but the first step would be for me to get motivation to start playing again

[plain marten]

well then is doing that much ficsonium possible because nuclear pasta hogs a lot of copper real fast

[atomic notch]

its not much i think 1 pasta to 10 singularity cells

[plain marten]

alr

well this could allow me to extract the entire map and stuff and build some wonders but eh im still not motivated enough to start playing this game again

[harsh anvil]

What's a bus?

[shy mulch]

it's a bit like a car but has lots of seats

[silk ocean]

"Something that people ride on, but that's not important right now"

[harsh anvil]

I walked right into that one...

[harsh anvil]

And that one...

[silk ocean]

It's where there are loads of lines of all your materials, and you tap off where you need them

Used heavily in Factorio, not really in Satisfactory

[harsh anvil]

I see we have a lot of pun-dits here, ready to hand out pun-ishment...

[silk ocean]

Couldn't resist an Airplane reference 😉

[minor sierra]

punderstandable

[atomic notch]

#screenshots message smth like this

[shy mulch]

ballistic warp drives are the most endgame thing really, kinda need a bit of everything to get there, pick a number and automate and sink that many, you'll have coupons flowing

[harsh anvil]

I'm currently in the whole 'basic steel manufacturing ' part of my play through, but of I do get to nuclear, I'm gonna call my nuclear processing site as Nuketown.

[plain marten]

yeah theres just one problem: im not motivated enough to play satisfactory i always start, play for like a week or two, then leave again

[minor sierra]

recreate it, two buildings with all the processing and a bus in the middle

[shy mulch]

then why are you asking lol

[atomic notch]

for me its just a bigger section of the cube

[harsh anvil]

Maybe one with the encasing and one with the fuel cell production?

[minor sierra]

oh lmao you werent joking when you said cube yesterday

[minor sierra]

its probably way bigger than what i make it seem, i havent touched nuclear either lol

[harsh anvil]

Nuketown - Extended version.

[atomic notch]

when im done it will be a cube its like half a cube rn

[minor sierra]

lol real

to both of you

[atomic notch]

#screenshots message

this is what im at currently

[shrewd palm]

i see great things that are about to happen

[grim ermine]

How do I get trains to provide the same amount throughput as input

:)

[shrewd palm]

more trains

[zenith pecan]

You'll have to load balance those generators to not irradiate the place.

[atomic notch]

its gonna be iradiated lol

[grim ermine]

Is it that simple ? Surely too many trains could decrease throughput

[atomic notch]

ill have ionized filters automated before i start nuclear stuff

[shrewd palm]

you split the belt up into multiple loading docks to lower the throughput (lower the better, i usually go for 300/min/car over long distances and 600/min/car for shorter ones), send the train off and time the route

if you arent getting enough add another train when the first train is about halfway through and that should fix it

[zenith pecan]

My last nuclear installation only had one hot spot and that was mild, where plutionium fuel was manufactured 😄

[clever cloak]

is there 3rd person in the game

[grim ermine]

Thanks for the help im gonna give this a go. Ive just unlocked trains and struggling to get more than 80% throughput

[shy mulch]

One thing I've learned from my first time building a big rail network is to always leave more space for expansion than you think you'll need. I've had to go a bit messy to make room to move stations back etc so my trains dont get clogged in a traffic jam

[shrewd palm]

and then when it comes to unloading (and loading) throw a large storage bin next to each of the inputs/outputs for the stations and connect it to both input/output belts, then you can do whatever you want with the items (this is a buffer that will load/empty the station as fast as possible so that throughput gets cleaned up)

[zenith pecan]

The need to expand taught me to always have three foundations at each end of a floor to allow for more floors without epic demolition.

[clever cloak]

is there 3rd person in the game

[shy mulch]

just you and Ada

[zenith pecan]

Only two in one of my games, myself and my brother.

[grim ermine]

That makes sense ❤️

[clever cloak]

i mean view

[shy mulch]

ah, only in photo mode

[clever cloak]

cuz yesterday i joined my save and i lagged in 3rd person view

then i respawn it fixed

is it possible with mods?

[minor sierra]

probably yeah

[limpid cairn]

what isnt possible with mods?

[tall lantern]

true happiness

[zenith pecan]

Making real money appear in your bank account when you build in game 😄

[atomic notch]

rip

[limpid cairn]

technically you can sell mod commisions no?

[atomic notch]

mod that uses ur computer to mine bitcoin

[zenith pecan]

These days that would probably cost you more in electric than the crypto you'd get.

[limpid cairn]

Off topic kinda, but a some dude made an app for a game that basically mines bitcoins when you’re not looking

Thats what we think at least

[cunning siren]

I was friends with a guy who worked on mods in Second Life (Online game) AND got paid for them 🤷. The game had an exchange system where you could convert Linden Dollars (the in-game currency) to real USD through official exchanges. Some successful content creators were making anywhere from a few hundred to several thousand dollars per month, and a few even made it their full-time job

[limpid cairn]

80% task manager cpu usage 🤔

[shy mulch]

Remember that era kinda 2018-2022 when website banner ads that could run javascript in them were common, yeah, a good chunk of those were using your device to mine 😛

[limpid cairn]

the software is older than the era

Afaik it appeared 2016 or 2017

[shy mulch]

a year here or there... I'm obviously talking in very rough terms

[jade frigate]

Hello, is there a method to scan more than x1 hard drive?

[shy mulch]

no

[silk ocean]

Do you remember distributed.net ... but that was a legit effort

Late 90s

Might still be going actually XD

[shy mulch]

yeah that wasn't for cryptomining, but same thing 😛

[silk ocean]

Yea same concept, just a legit operation

[shy mulch]

man, imagine having the compute power of today, in 1995

you'd be worshipped

[silk ocean]

lol yea

[shy mulch]

just checked, looks like there is still some projects going on that

[silk ocean]

Yea checked also, seems alive

Website hasn't been updated much since 1999 xD

design-wise

[heavy anvil]

cryptominer malware is diffrent now, they market it like your helping scientists solve something with your extra computer resources, but your actually just mining bitcoin for some dude in his mothers basement

[silk ocean]

I can believe it

[heavy anvil]

i think the idea is to prey on the elderly who dont really understand the concept of crypto mining

[minor sierra]

did someone say mining?mk3??

[cunning siren]

OH yea, I participated in that

Had ~100 computers on it at one time

[silk ocean]

Reminds me of the YT channel SkyCorp Home Video - their SCAM video.. It's a bit NSFW I should warn xD

[silk ocean]

Oh nice XD

[cunning siren]

Is Folding@home still a thing?

[silk ocean]

I thought it was... erm

[outer hatch]

https://ficsit.app/mod/ThirdPersonView

[silk ocean]

Seems to be

seti@home as well

Oh maybe not... "SETI@home is in hiberation"

[cunning siren]

Lets be real, aliens are already here 🤷

[silk ocean]

so true™

[cunning siren]

👽

[mortal ginkgo]

Daily Reminder: All UFOs that crashes on earth have the exact technology of that day. First UFO was looking like a tin can, last one being quite modern etc.

It's like they stealing our tech!

[shy mulch]

I don't think it needs to be. AI has solved the folding problem

[cunning siren]

Last I knew the folding problem is a matter of compute are you saying that has changed?

I know AI computes better but... i mean...

[shy mulch]

Pretty much yeah, AI has absolutely wrecked it and is coming out with new solutions no human had even considered

[cunning siren]

It's not like "Don't fold anymore everybody" AI has it all figured out

[heavy anvil]

yeah aliens are capable of FTL travel but not led screens

[shy mulch]

@cunning siren look up the Veritasium video on AlphaFold, it's a 25 min watch and worth every second

[outer hatch]

My understanding is that Folding@Home and Folding AI are actually complementary, and not opposed, with @HOME provinding the deterministic training data, and AI doing its probabilistic thing as always.

[minor sierra]

i gues LEDs are just too slow for them :kappa:

[heavy anvil]

always cracks me up watching sci fi movies from the 70's how they imagine all these things but not cell phones or non dial up internet

[cunning siren]

Maybe what we call Aliens are organic AI that doesn't need an display to interface with the hardware... cave man, pffff 😆 <joking>

[minor sierra]

maybe the leds are the aliens

they have green after all

:mindblown:

[mortal ginkgo]

maybe ur mom is an alien

[minor sierra]

ill ask her in a bit

[next sundial]

Silicate based lifeforms might be FTL ships.

[cunning siren]

<--- I found an alien

[heavy anvil]

well we all know george w bush was an alien so we know they can atleast mimic humans

[minor sierra]

cutest alien ever

[mortal ginkgo]

you didnt need to insult aliens like that, fyi

[minor sierra]

sounds like something an alien would say

👀

[mortal ginkgo]

... RRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

[heavy anvil]

alien sypmathizer alert

[cunning siren]

<We land on a foreign planet and one of the first creatures we see we call an alien> 😆 the hubris of humans

[mortal ginkgo]

Listen, the fact that I got 7 doggos in base and the fact that staying in phase 1 of elevator for 170h gameplay time just to decorate but,

hear me out ok-

[next sundial]

It’s not very efficient to be sympathetic of lifeforms on other planets. They are in the way. Consume. Exploit.

[minor sierra]

that is so me

i think i have literally like 10 in a nice lil garden area as well

[cunning siren]

I walled in my first doggo lastnight on new play through, I felt bad about it

[mortal ginkgo]

fr fr

[heavy anvil]

look, we dont know if the lizard doggo's are sapient enough to plot against us, so better safe than sorry

[mortal ginkgo]

incase you are curious, I decided to put them all beside a shore, hoping they wouldn't go far away.

there are 3 issues:

1- They TRULY go far away
2- They can even go towards the sea and then get stuck. I had to use SCIM to teleport it back
3- They actually DESPAWN if you dont put them over foundations, which can reset their locations (unconfirmed)

[heavy anvil]

wait why is there no mam tree for doggos

[cunning siren]

Thanks for the info

[heavy anvil]

for everyone loving them we really have no info on them

[feral geyser]

How would that work?

[cunning siren]

I've seen them fall through a foundation too 🤷

[heavy anvil]

maybe you just get a skin sample if they dont want doggos to be rewarding for kills

or you just scan them by hand or smth

[feral geyser]

And what would the chain provide for the player?

[heavy anvil]

lizard doggo detection

[mortal ginkgo]

you need like at least 4m foundation me thinks. I saw none dropping on floor so far. They get stuck inside foundations rarely, but not go down the map

[heavy anvil]

and just general info on them

[minor sierra]

xD

oh mine havent despawned, theyre on the floor but in a confined small space

[heavy anvil]

them same way other fauna is classified and described when you research them

[feral geyser]

Okay okay. I'd be down if it also gave us Doggo Cages without having to do the whole FICSIT Farming mod

[cunning siren]

I feel so small powerless and insignificant on a new play through 🤔

[minor sierra]

or leashes so you can bring them with you

so you dont have to wait, just fly with them

i cant find a pic of the lil area, lemme make one rq

[cunning siren]

Doggos should love the cyberwagon... I mean, what dog does not enjoy a truck?

Even if it is a funky one

[sick falcon]

is the map random or the same on every save file

[heavy anvil]

opinion: anyone who spawns in the dune dessert is a masochist

[cunning siren]

Nah, it's ez-mode

[heavy anvil]

you have to run so far for biomass early game its agony

[feral geyser]

I like dune desert

But I like rocky desert more

[heavy anvil]

and before you have foundations everything is so curvy

love it late game tho

[cunning siren]

OR you failed to build the HUB next to the NE biomass AND your blaming the map 😆

[feral geyser]

Foundations are like, first milestone though

[minor sierra]

#screenshots thats my lil doggo area @mortal ginkgo

[heavy anvil]

but i wanted hub next to pure iron

[mortal ginkgo]

ver kut

[cunning siren]

If you check out SCIM you'll find those two ideas are not mutually exclusive

[minor sierra]

me who chose the grasslands for my ultimate playthrough

[heavy anvil]

yeah but im a purist i dont use these fancy tools

[minor sierra]

tbh it feels like its part of the game

[heavy anvil]

i just activate my neurons and start building things

i have a physical notebook for my factory maths

[next sundial]

I’m on my first playthrough and I feel like I got a goated spot. 6 pure iron nodes. 1 pure copper, 3 limestone.

[minor sierra]

same but also building good looking round things takes like 10 hours even with scim lol

[feral geyser]

The game does have a map, but you are supposed to explore and fill it out yourself, not just go look things up from an outside source

[heavy anvil]

what region and how close to water n coal

[cunning siren]

I avoided SCIM for the first 1k hours and I did on this new play through in an area that is "new to me" too

[feral geyser]

Also, if you just use SCIM, why even have Radar Towers?

[next sundial]

I don’t remember the region. Very close to coal and water. Lots of cliffs and trees. Southwest of desert.

[cunning siren]

Saves from ALT + tab so 🤷

[frail sleet]

northern forest

[minor sierra]

they look cool, but yeah its just really nice to use if you want to plan everything in advance

[next sundial]

Yes thank you

[minor sierra]

imo ofc

[feral geyser]

You can do that if you have Radar Towers and look at your in-game map 😒

[next sundial]

Radar towers are so sick dude I just unlocked them lol

[cunning siren]

They are nice

[feral geyser]

Like, the first I did when I unlocked them is spread them across the whole map

Then you don't need the SCIM map

[minor sierra]

i just like scim, its qol and saves me likely hundreds of hours in the long run without ruining the vibe of the game (at least for me)

i just love building, and i wanna do it well so ill take all the help i can get lol

[feral geyser]

I'm just saying, I understand RainCandy's purism.

[minor sierra]

oh yeah definitely

[next sundial]

I plan on attaching it to my power tower as an alternate blueprint for the same reason.

[cunning siren]

I had a translucent lid to a can of cocktail peanuts that I would use to "plot out" my next radar tower based on map coverage 😆 I could press it to the display and perfectly match a radar radius with a nice plastic dimple in the center of the lid to mark it's spot

[minor sierra]

xD

[outer hatch]

Found a resource deposit entirely in water, and even if I have a "press [Key] to mine", it doesn't mine. Is there a workaround?

[next sundial]

Have you tried running a foundation to it and placing a miner on top?

[minor sierra]

i think he means an outcrop he wants to get rid of

[outer hatch]

Deposit, not node.

[heavy anvil]

nobelisks or boom ammo

[next sundial]

Whoops.

[candid ingot]

place a bunch of water pumps and drain the water

[outer hatch]

You can't blow up deposits.

[shy mulch]

Where exactly? Coordinates? I'd like to check it out

[cunning siren]

This suggests that outcroppings are static spawns?

[shy mulch]

What?

[next sundial]

Isn’t everything?

[heavy anvil]

no the map is always the same

[shy mulch]

WHat is an outcropping?

[outer hatch]

I think outcroppings as an object are, though their types (and the quantities) are randomized.

[silk ocean]

Like rocks that kinda stick out

[heavy anvil]

the little pieces of ore or stuff that breaks after you chip it for abit

[outer hatch]

861, 1620. It's in the middle of the lake, with cracked rocks on top of it.

[heavy anvil]

they spawn on top of nodes and just randomly

[shy mulch]

Oh, I thought they were all static too?

[next sundial]

I think I read somewhere that literally every single thing on the map was hand placed

[cunning siren]

"'Deposit' refers to a rocky outcrop that provides a limited amount of a resource. Deposits can only be mined manually E." I guess the game calls it a few things

[outer hatch]

"The locations of deposits in the world are fixed, however the resource type is randomized (some specific deposits, such as the aforementioned uranium deposits, will not be random)." https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Resource_Node

There will always be a resource node at a given position, but it might be a Quartz one for a player, and a Caterium one for another.

[cunning siren]

This means if looking for early quartz it's a good idea to mine all the Deposits 🤔

[next sundial]

Neat

[cunning siren]

I wonder what the respawn time is on those

[next sundial]

They don’t respawn afaik.

[outer hatch]

They don't, I believe.

[next sundial]

I’ve checked lol

[cunning siren]

Ok, so it's game save specific on "what you get" for the deposit once

I'm not sure that's true... Science!

[next sundial]

Time to go start 10 different save games and check the same location in each to verify. FICSIT, humanity, and all the kittens and puppies thank you for your service.

[cunning siren]

I seem to really enjoy the objective based part of the game loop and the "start" of the game in general 🤔

This is probably playthrough ~7 maybe? Not counting online stuff

[next sundial]

How many hours?

[cunning siren]

~1k

[next sundial]

Oh… you work fast

I’m approaching 100 hours very quickly and only on phase 3

[cunning siren]

I'm not sure about that

I don't "sandbox" like many folk do, not really attached to the "base" ect... I often desire to start over after phase 5

[versed mesa]

Ive build my first 6 story factory producing aluminium casings

[cunning siren]

Hows that feel like?

[outer hatch]

Re: resource deposits - sometime they respawn... but that's because for some reason, they weren't de-spawned when mined.

(SCIM was telling me there's a spawn in an empty point I knew I had already mined. I saved in front of it, quit, reload, and the deposit was there)

[versed mesa]

Awesome 👌 lol

[outer hatch]

Probably should raise a ticket about it.

[shy mulch]

Weird, can confirm, when I was very high (I hypertube cannoned my way there) I could see the rocks that you'd normally blow up with nobelisk, then when I got lower they weren't there any more. I built some foundations all around it and still can't mine it. Weirdddd

[next sundial]

Usually I don’t either, but in my mind I’m still serving the mission. I’m just doing it in a way that is more visually satisfying to me. If I wanted to get it done it would be done already. But I like making things look neat and proper. Like it could pass an inspection.

[outer hatch]

I think the water around prevents the "must be in the line of effect" that is necessary for mining (just as when you move just out of their hitbox while mining).

[cunning siren]

Just last night I removed a MK.1 miner and the resource deposit was under it? WTF? 😆

[shy mulch]

Weird stuff going on!

[versed mesa]

@cunning siren ive had some issues trying to connect belts to lifts but I works around it on the last part i decided to stack some foundations on the outside just do i can't place down belts in a curvy way its almost looks like a roller coaster and water part i had gived up trying with the lifts lol

[outer hatch]

It implies that the isMinable function that checks and displays the white outline and "the press [] to mine"-promt ; and the isActuallyMinable that checks if you actually can mine it are distinct functions.

[cunning siren]

Cyber truck needs a hi-rail system to be able to ride on the rail systems 🤔

[lucid pulsar]

guys, is there any reason make screws with iron rods instead of iron ingots?

[versed mesa]

Lol

[outer hatch]

The interesting is that it implies that there are two distinct worldmaps existing - one used in memory to display to the user (and against which your Miner's placement was done), and one that is used for save-&-loading.

[frail sleet]

not really

[cunning siren]

It's more resource efficient sometimes, depends on what alts you have 🤷 it's not very significant either way

[lucid pulsar]

ok, thank you guys

[next sundial]

I hate screws and if you hate screws you’re cool.

[outer hatch]

Screw screws.

[unkempt blade]

the joy of seeing all the extra constructors working

[versed mesa]

A screw loose

[outer hatch]

#1201555265942724758 ?

[cunning siren]

In Soviet Russia, the screws screw you!

It's an old meme

🤷

[outer hatch]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-meme-its-an-older-meme-but-it-checks-out-gif-14147822

(I keep forgetting they don't embed)

[shy mulch]

Again went very high (1km+) and I could see rocks above the deposit that need blown up, but when I went lower the rocks are gone. I've set off a ton of nukes there but there was nothing to explode, then the rocks are back when I go high again, only visible from very high altitude. Some weird stuff going on for sure

[silk rose]

as person living in moscow i can confirm that statement

[outer hatch]

The weird thing is that if you look at the map, the rocks are actually there on the map. (The 3-round-shape-clover-thing in the middle of the lake)

(Despite them being destructible)

[shy mulch]

yes, they just vanish when you get near, i think the deposit isn't letting you mine because it thinks the rocks are still covering it

[outer hatch]

I'm more partial to my water theory, but it's possible.
(Are you on AGS? I can't fly high enough to make the rock pop-up personally, but I'm on packaged turbo)

[mortal ginkgo]

Russion bro detected. ❤️

[steady glade]

build up?

[shy mulch]

Hypertube

[outer hatch]

Ah, yes. When in doubt, Hypertube. How could I forget that elemental lesson 😆

(Especially when I discovered the game through LGitO's hypertube cannon)

[cunning siren]

With the new Hypertube Junction you can make space efficient "looper cannons" that you can "choose" your speed basied on how many loops you stay in for

It does cost a bit of power though ~120 MW

[next sundial]

ITS MY FAVORITE SHIT

I LOVE HYPERLOOP CANNON SEND ME TO THE MOON

[outer hatch]

Tested it with a mega-ladder, the rocks don't reappear for me, I can see the quartz deposit in the water.

[cunning siren]

Mega-ladder 🤔

[outer hatch]

A ladder on top of a ladder on top of a ladder on top ...

[cunning siren]

It would be nice if we could ride the lifts 🤔

[outer hatch]

Snap a ladder to the lift (<- actual protip, sarcasm apart)

[outer hatch]

Why does it cost that much energy? Shouldn't it cost just the one entrance? (As junctions don't cost energy)

[cunning siren]

IDK, maybe I got the math wrong or something

Yea, I guess if that's true it should only cost 20 MW

[next sundial]

Should be 3 entrances in total.

One for the entrance and two for the accelerator

[cunning siren]

I made one with only 2

and the branch

[next sundial]

Well you just get up to speed a little slower than me that’s all lol

[cunning siren]

~1000 km/h is about as fast as anybody needs to go in this game. I think with that and ion fuel I can loop the edge of the map more than once

That assumes one is tapping not slamming on the ion fuel

[solid flax]

#screenshots message
Wtf????

[outer hatch]

Yup.

Sloopable, too.

[silk rose]

[outer hatch]

Very useful for that full-ressource, MK3 grind, where you need 1200-ish.

[cunning siren]

Somewhat silly though that a recipe is "wasted" on it

[latent meadow]

i got to do nuclear today 🙁

i have no idea where i gonna put it lol

[cunning siren]

Got to? 🤔

[latent meadow]

yea my power is going down

and i full juced out all my power

[zenith pecan]

I wouldn't sloop those but it isn't bad to have one machine producing them 🙂

[outer hatch]

I slooped it not for the resource economy, but for the time economy. Didn't want to bother with a second machine and had the power to spare, so...

[versed mesa]

Is the hazmat suit auto equipped once unlocked?

[cunning siren]

Nope

Gotta manually don that gear

[versed mesa]

How do I get it ?

[cunning siren]

Craft it like all the other gear

[vernal musk]

Why isn’t there a smart splitter for fluids

[versed mesa]

But i crafted the new filters

@cunning siren I dont see hazmat suit

[cunning siren]

If you don't see the suit in the crafting bench, look in HUD to see if you have it unlocked

[versed mesa]

Never-ending I see it lol

[cunning siren]

OH nice

[versed mesa]

Yeah lol

@cunning siren I equipped it now

@cunning siren is the gas mask still needed ?

Ok thanks

[outer hatch]

Yes, and both Hazmat and Gaz Mask need their "ammo" to fully function.

(Never mind, just saw you already crafted them)

[versed mesa]

One question since ive crafted the new filters I dont need to craft the old ones for gas mask ?

[cunning siren]

Both filters are required 🤷

[versed mesa]

Still wtf

[cunning siren]

One can be in a fart area AND a radiation area at the SAME time!

[versed mesa]

Omg

[grim ermine]

#screenshots message

[silk ocean]

The potent choice xD

[grim ermine]

coal burner

[versed mesa]

@cunning siren I need Mycelia deposit is there one ?

Need more fabric

[shy mulch]

mycelia deposits dont exist, need to get that manually, but there are other ways to make fabric

[outer hatch]

Mycella is non-renewable collected from environemental mushrooms.
There is an alternative for fabric

(Ahh, sniped again!)

[versed mesa]

I see thanks

[shy mulch]

haha sorry

[cunning siren]

Lots of random stuff that can be chainsawed grants shrooms though so, break that thing out and go wild!

[versed mesa]

Yeah i know am after a deposit lol

[outer hatch]

Oh, I looked for our issues, apparently all three (that particular quartz being unminable, deposits respawns after being mined, and boulders in a strange visible state yet nonbeing) are already known and reported. The best we can do is upvote them.

[outer hatch]

You might want to look for caves.

[versed mesa]

Nice i can create fabric with polymer and water

[versed mesa]

Yeah i know thanks

[outer hatch]

(Sorry if that sounded sarcastic or unhelpful. Wanted to be give a hint without being too spoilery)

[cunning siren]

This has some example pictures of things that give shrooms, not all though 🤔 https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Mycelia

[versed mesa]

Lucky polymer and water are already setup ready to craft fabric at my oil factory I mite just head there now to get it going

[cunning siren]

The cacti in the desert and the coral circle things grant shrooms too

[versed mesa]

Ok

[feral geyser]

You gonna bring some coal and iron and make filters before sinking it all?

[versed mesa]

Its ok i already know how to yet it i just want a fabrication production line going now lol

[versed mesa]

Thats ok ill bring fabric on train to my first location to then craft the filters here

[feral geyser]

Filters are about the only thing fabric is used for (except other equipment, which you can't manufacture anyway)

[versed mesa]

Yeah

[cunning siren]

I'm about to do some "Texas rainforest massacre" myself in my new play through 🤔

[next sundial]

But you can manufacture nobelisks right? So who needs gas masks

[cunning siren]

^ this guy likes the fart towers 😆

[feral geyser]

I don't like killing the spore flowers, plus you need regular filters to make the radiation ones.

And you can't nuke the nukes

[next sundial]

Oh I haven’t made it that far yet

Thank you for giving me another product to mass produce shakes fist

[cunning siren]

Oh right, the spore flowers. I forget about those

[next sundial]

I just blow those up

[leaden turret]

insert joke about powercuts here

[cunning siren]

I found many "consumables" can be "hand fed" with a single inventory run of items. I sloop one production run of consumables slap a depot on it and call it good. No need to automate fully IMO

[feral geyser]

I don't like killing non-hostile critters. The spore guys are just enjoying life. It's on me for getting to close, I just take precautions

Besides, what else are you gonna put on your head gear slot?

[feral geyser]

True if it's only you, but on a server, it's really handy

[cunning siren]

Exterminate!!! EXTERMINAAAAAAATE! 😆

[peak wasp]

Hello, I’m undecided between two recipes for modular frames: the one that uses 140 screws & 7.5 reinforced iron plates, and the one that uses 2 and 10 pipes.

Instinctively, I’d go with the second one, but for the amount of modular frames I’d like to produce (110), I’d need around 370 steel pipes, meaning 8 factories producing 50 pipes each.

I’d also be using the pipes for many other projects, so I’d need to massively boost steel ingot production.

Do you think it makes sense to go with the second option?

[cunning siren]

OH yea, 🤔 I guess if a whole team of folk are using consumables then that would probably change things

[next sundial]

Explore. Exploit. Exterminate. Consume. Produce. More. MORE

No creature is getting in my way, idc how friendly it is

[cunning siren]

The dictum of the Ego: Seek but do not find

[feral geyser]

Hence, my P.I.S.S. factory

[cunning siren]

Things that people piss away?

[feral geyser]

Pioneer Industrial Safety Supply

I love awful acronyms lmao

[cunning siren]

It seems fitting for the game

Sadge there is no roof automated door thingy

[leaden turret]

Undirected Research of Organic Lifeforms Over Guided Yields

[next sundial]

My Minotaur in NMS is called D.A.E.V. Dope Ass Exploration Vehicle. Acronyms are the best.

[feral geyser]

I'm sorry, D.A.E.V., I can't do that

#screenshots message

We need some more good ones

[next sundial]

I’m nearly in my acronym arc on Satisfactory too

[peak wasp]

any for this?

[sudden dagger]

did they nerf the power tower distance?

[cunning siren]

I do not believe so AND with new infinite nudge you can have absolute control of where they are placed!

[unkempt blade]

if you open the page for it on the wiki it should have a changelog at the bottom

[feral geyser]

Between those two, I like Bolted frames rather than Steeled, because screws aren't too bad, but i make my screws out of steel, which means I could use the other one too.

[limber plaza]

id just use screws if u have the alt recipe for beams >screws

[feral geyser]

Ultimately, each one has its ups and downs.

[unkempt blade]

I agree, screw recipes are the best recipes

[limber plaza]

agreed both have their downs im using both thoe different locations

[next sundial]

Psycho

[feral geyser]

Steeled frame is nice cuz you can also make pipes into Encased Beams with an alt, so you can go up to Heavies easily enough by expanding pipe production.

[next sundial]

Screws can suck a butt I hate em

[unkempt blade]

What's wrong with a little variety? Don't you like to try different things?

[feral geyser]

You probably hate screws the same way most people hate Nickelback

Because everyone else has told you you should hate them

[limber plaza]

screws are ur best friend for effecient production

[atomic notch]

i love screws i love using recipes that use more screws

[next sundial]

I hate them because I’m new to the game and I need SO MANY

[cunning siren]

I like copper rotor and it eats screws 🤷

Not much besides that though

[atomic notch]

just simplify it

[next sundial]

And then when I’m finally producing enough, now I’ve got overflow. I hate screws. They’re the only thing I genuinely find a pain in my ass lol

[limber plaza]

just use beams to screws alt recipe produces soo much screws im producing 5k screws a min in my farm lol

[next sundial]

I’m going to build a facility that just makes screws somewhere shitty and never think about it again eventually

[atomic notch]

if u can get underclocking you can get assemblers to match output of 1 screw constructor

[unkempt blade]

just need to math it out correctly so the screws aren't overflowing whatever they're producing is

[feral geyser]

Yeah, if you make screws immediately where they're gonna be used, they aren't so bad.

Just don't try centralizing them.

[cunning siren]

Oh yea, slap a sloop in that and one constructor is spewing out screws like a fire hose

[feral geyser]

Even without sloops, a full OC Steel Screws constructor almost fills a Mk5 belts

[reef basin]

because nobody wants to play. Doesn't mean you should put it elsewhere

[unkempt blade]

screws only get used for a handful of things that aren't in the production chain so you really don't need extras made the way you do for like concrete or something

[feral geyser]

260×2.5 = 650

[limber plaza]

nah fr but im using it all split up for beams rotors n whatever else they are needed for

[atomic notch]

hmf...

[long garden]

sa türk var mı

[unkempt blade]

yeah that's in the production chain, so in that case you make as many as you need to keep HMF running but not extras

outside of the production chain you need like a rifle and rebar gun and stuff once

[atomic notch]

oh i read wrong

sry

[unkempt blade]

but you're not using them to make hundreds of foundations or whatever else for construction

[feral geyser]

You could play the ALL SCREWS mod

(don't do that)

[atomic notch]

screw this

[unkempt blade]

is this a real thing? I might have to go reinstall the mod loader for the lolz

[next sundial]

Screw that

[cunning siren]

"The best part of the game is making screws." ~ Snutt Treptow, August 15th, 2023

[feral geyser]

It is, i don't remember the exact name, but it's there (idk if it is stable still)

[next sundial]

Okay fine I’ll rethink how much they screw me up and do better math

Bunch of screw white knights in here

[leaden turret]

Eat shit, chat!
Snutt Treptow, April 19th, 2022

[unkempt blade]

play however is fun, mostly just saying they're not as troublesome as people meme them to be around here 😆

[feral geyser]

Just like Nickelback

[leaden turret]

🎶 Look at this power graph 🎶

[next sundial]

I’ve only been here since last night I haven’t seen the memes 😭

[iron fossil]

Are we getting a video today?

[peak wasp]

yes i produce screw with beams

[leaden turret]

is technically the weekend, swedish time, so probably no.

[iron fossil]

Alas!

[versed mesa]

Fabric is now being produced

[next sundial]

Can I eventually upgrade the scanner to find my dad?

[versed mesa]

Wtf lmfao

[versed mesa]

He's in Thailand

[peak wasp]

thanks

[unkempt blade]

no you need to unlock the radar tower for that

[cunning siren]

For screws If one makes a constructor layout where 4x constructors share an output the manifold ratio would be fully "tillable". Is there a "trick" to make a single object with 4 inputs and one output? 🤔 #QUADmerger ? 🤷

[unkempt blade]

I think you'd need to use at least 2 mergers

[mortal ginkgo]

why not manifold dem mbergers brotherman...

[wary perch]

Screw that I can only have coffee in my coffee cup and not like milk

[unkempt blade]

the milk industry lied to use for decades, it's only healthy if you mix it in with coffee

[next sundial]

That’s true

[cunning siren]

Milk is fine... unless you are allergic... and by the way we don't tell you the degrees you can be allergic to something 😆

[leaden turret]

gotta remember that lizard doggo milk is highly combustible

[cunning siren]

Drink a gallon, see how you feel is my advice

[leaden turret]

no hot water in your coffee cup along with the coffee?

[next sundial]

Hello. Allergic to milk here. Don’t trust big milk. They just want you to be tired.

[unkempt blade]

We might need to check with the community managers next week if lizard doggos have milk. It's hard to be sure if it's half reptile and half mammal

[leaden turret]

April 12th, 2022 Livestream
Q&A: Steam Trains?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eORaYqIP14M&t=96s

Lizard Doggo milk is highly combustible

March 5th, 2024 Livestream
Q&A: With Lizard Doggo milk being highly combustible, is there a chance of getting cheese Nobelisks?
https://youtu.be/MIB7RDvr6Gk

who knows

[next sundial]

Hm. I’m usually fine with suspending disbelief but hot blooded creature + cold blooded creature, and I’m not a biologist or anything, should explode or something right?

[unkempt blade]

I stand corrected!

[next sundial]

I’m so excited to get home from work and continue my road project. What are you guys working on this weekend?

[shrewd palm]

#screenshots message some phase 5 stuff, heres the train station

[feral geyser]

Niiice, love it

My only suggestion would be replace the ring of foundations outside the top floor with roof pieces for a smoother look.

[shrewd palm]

#screenshots message and then this is the refining setup

[cunning siren]

I like how the Drone Ports fit in there

[feral geyser]

No notes, lovely

[shrewd palm]

once i get everything in it'll be doing quartz, iron, copper, and caterium

[cunning siren]

That's a fancy looking refining setup

[shrewd palm]

im kind of planning to have it transition to the other crater in sort of an S shape but i have yet to figure out what buildings to put there or how to do it yet

[meager fern]

i need to get my power increased so i can finally make a proper starting factory. i've gotten to steel off 1 pure node of iron and 2 normal nodes of copper. my limestone is still 1 normal node into 1 constructor

[cunning siren]

Ooof, get your nodes on my friend

More nodes = good for early part of start

[mortal ginkgo]

you see that coal node? there could be a pretty coal gen setup there! mmh.

[meager fern]

its just so hard for me to get motivated to do it, when i am bad at making modular builds and then i have to rip everything up

[cunning siren]

Oh yea, if you got teh steelz then ya! Do da coal gen

[meager fern]

so i usually wait until steel and then improve my power and do everything then

i already have 1 power setup, but i need to move it so i can change it into a better steel setup

i basically always have my "first" coal gen setup in the desert coast area with the pure node, normal node, and 2 impure nodes

[feral geyser]

Most coal veins come in groups, so you can use a few for steel, a few for power

[cunning siren]

It seems that the game makes it intentionally difficult to make modular builds that are able to be expanded on from the start, it's not impossible though AND it's very hard without a hover pack and blueprints

[meager fern]

i prefer having the -1000, -1400 area to be pure steel and keep power seperate

[feral geyser]

Fair. What zone did you start in?

(I don't have my coordinates memorized)

[meager fern]

i can never remember the names, but i always start in the one that is "close" to those 4 pure iron nodes, where there used to be 2 quartz nodes that they removed 😡

northern forest i think its called

[shy mulch]

Ok so I've used the gap to get underground and gone miles away and kept going down and found myself in the middle of nowhere, at the lower limit of the playable area, way below sea level. I've built a 200x200x200 meter cube, and have set up power here with a drone port importing rocket fuel (the drone will happily fly through the rock and sea to get here). I have a portal here so I can easily jump in and out. Question is, what on earth am I going to build inside this thing

[versed mesa]

Off the game now feeling tired

[shrewd palm]

#screenshots message changed them up a little bit, didnt like the black line the roof tiles had so i used ficsit walls instead

[cunning siren]

Build the "World of the Underpeople!"

[unkempt blade]

factory cart skate park

[feral geyser]

Already looks smoother, nice

[shy mulch]

I suppose a good excuse to learn how factory carts work haha

[versed mesa]

When will the game want me to go to the other areas i think is the desert

[shrewd palm]

one thing i need to do when i rebuild my main base is make a mario cart track for factory carts going around the whole thing

[feral geyser]

You can go wherever you want whenever you want

[unkempt blade]

oil is usually the first time I need to actually travel to automate new stuff

[feral geyser]

You don't have to build at your starting zone.

[versed mesa]

Yeah i know that

[versed mesa]

Ok cool

[meager fern]

#screenshots message this is what i call a very efficient setup to get all the way to steel 😔

[versed mesa]

Somw of the desert i entered

But ive not fully opened the map yet

[feral geyser]

That spot is so nice, 4 pure iron right next to each other, hellooo??

[meager fern]

1 rotor, 1 reinforced iron plates, 1 rods, 1 plates, 1 screws. what more does a guy need?

[cunning siren]

Set one up and go AFK for 24 hours... profit

[meager fern]

i do have a nice sink operation setup in the caves west of there, processing quartz and sam ore to sink it all

[shy mulch]

perfect

[meager fern]

so many tickets, very important

[feral geyser]

Nice, you'll need that quartz/silica eventually though

[shrewd palm]

should be using a little bit of that sam for depots

[honest ridge]

is there anyway to stop steam from opening itself and a bunch of special offers when i start the game

[shy mulch]

you generally get better value with more refined things, if you process those resources into stuff then sink that stuff, you'll get a lot more points

[cunning siren]

Sinking raw quartz is ez mode cash moniez

[meager fern]

i dont have manufacturers yet to auto process past reanimated sam, so i just sink the reanimated

[versed mesa]

I was looking at my oil factory set up and the pipes and belts look tight and not tidy lol

[cunning siren]

Processing it into silica and then sinking... now that's work 😆

[unkempt blade]

There's an executable where you install the game. If you open from there/use it to make a shortcut I think it doesn't do steam stuff

[meager fern]

i have 1 node for silica and 1 node for crushed, just cuz

[versed mesa]

Wonder what they planning on doing to the game next

[feral geyser]

Later game, take that quartz up to the NW corner out of the cave, make nitric acid up there, and do the distillation, get a shitload of both crystals and silica.

[versed mesa]

When phase 5 finishes i think am needing more after that lol

[cunning siren]

What is this black magic you speak of!? 😆

[feral geyser]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Dissolved_Silica

[meager fern]

so far all of my hard drive's have turned up garbage alts. the only one i actually liked getting was +6 inventory

[cunning siren]

Ohhh... I've never needed to do that apparently 🤔

[meager fern]

and by "all" of them, i mean the 3 i've opened so far

[feral geyser]

It's apparently slightly less Silica than if you did just Cheap Silica with the quartz and limestone, but then you can also get crystals out of it, so you're basically double dipping

[meager fern]

did solid steel get worse? i could've sworn that pre-1.0 it was considered a A or S tier alt, but now when i look at a list its only B tier

[feral geyser]

Tier lists are subjective

It's still A-tier in my mind

[cunning siren]

There are a few strategies with hard drives. One is like yolo re-roll and pick what you want now, other is let the recipes pile up and then cherry pick the "gems"

[versed mesa]

Lol

[meager fern]

am i misunderstanding how hypertube junctions work? the decription makes it sound like you should be able to chose your direction mid-transport, but it seems like each direction auto-picks one side

[cunning siren]

Solid Steel Ingot is objectively the best of the steel recipes, as pure iron ingot amplifies the benefit both of them even out weigh iron pipe at that point in priority

[feral geyser]

Leached iron gets you even better conversion for the low low price of sulfur.

[cunning siren]

Sulfur is expensive for most folk struggling with starter steel

[meager fern]

nevermind, im just stupid. there is a button to cycle them

[feral geyser]

Fair, but then you get to that stage and it's better

[meager fern]

i was trying to use movement keys to change directions

#screenshots message single handedly propping up my ticket economy

[shy mulch]

I've managed to find myself in a massive cave that I can't get out of lol. I refuse to be defeated.

[meager fern]

i was suprised at how much sam ore reanimated sam took per minute

[feral geyser]

Yeah, slooping SAM constructors is a critical move to stretch it out

[cunning siren]

The tools calc does not agree, maybe it values sulfur with the assumption of other uses for it 🤔

[feral geyser]

Plus, slooping constructors is relatively cheap

[meager fern]

i still need to find one, but i have to remember where they are(i'm not going to use any online tools)

i dont even know if i can use half of that alien technology stuff, because from what i've gathered its more mid-end game type stuff

[feral geyser]

Iron+water(+sulfur):ingots
35+20:65 for pure
35+7(+7):70 for leached

So in a very strict sense, yes, you are putting more nuggets in, BUT...

A) the sulfur cost is pretty dang small, considering sulfur converter loops exist, and
B) the throughput rate is outrageously low for pure.

[cunning siren]

I guess I'll mess around with the idea this playthrough and see if I can use it, thanks

[meager fern]

how often do you guys use the power towers? are they only useful for actual long distance stuff, or should they be used basically everywhere they can fit

[cunning siren]

Zipline is OP AF

[feral geyser]

Between factories mainly

[unkempt blade]

very rarely, I don't like how they look

[cunning siren]

If one is aware of how the wires align with placement Zipline travel networks can be created early game, super powerful pre-jetpack

Pretty dangerous though

[shrewd palm]

almost 100 hours after i started building this powerplant is finally running smoothly