satisfactory

[sullen gull]

Explosive ammo is even more destructive at 35 damage per shot

from the wiki

[feral geyser]

#screenshots message

No

[sullen gull]

What is that from?

[feral geyser]

The wiki

[sullen gull]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Rebar_Gun#Explosive-0

[latent meadow]

does the posion work on eneimes

[feral geyser]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Combat

[feral geyser]

Yes, but they run away from it

[latent meadow]

yea true

[sullen gull]

Says right on that page it's 35 damage. So there is a disconnect somewhere.

[feral geyser]

It's good for neutralizing hatcher wasps.

[feral geyser]

There does appear to be.

[sullen gull]

Anyone running Nvidia drivers 581.29 on a 4070 by chance?

[silk ocean]

Not a 4070 but any good?

[sullen gull]

Idk yet lol, saw there was an update and was looking for other insights first 🤣

[silk ocean]

xD

[lucid pulsar]

yo guys should i get cast screws or iron wire?

[hard ivy]

I'd take iron wire 100%

[silk ocean]

iron wire I would say XD

[lucid pulsar]

thank you guys 👍

[hard ivy]

I still have cast screws in my library at tier 8

[hard ivy]

get stitched iron plate when you see it. it pairs really well with iron wire

[sullen gull]

Imo, steel screws is where it's at (with aluminum beams). I agree with Kyo though, Iron wire.

[lucid pulsar]

thank you guys for the advice

[hard ivy]

yeah, I saw the update too but I ain't touching it yet

[sullen gull]

Hmmmmmmm

[hard ivy]

my gpu is a bit fkd anyway I don't want more

[sullen gull]

Ahh well, yolo and stuffs I guess 🤣

I mean, hell, the only "game" I play on here is Satisifactory anyhow 🤣

Oh, damn, didn't even notice it's been out for a bit already.

(13 days, but still 😏)

[honest ridge]

phase 2 completed

for like the 5th time...

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/you-can-gif-27326947

[sullen gull]

LIttle too much voltage on that overclock? 😏

[shy mulch]

I have a 4070 but the driver version says 32.0.15.6094 which doesn't seem to be the same format as your driver version, so I guess I'm looking at the wrong thing

[sullen gull]

Open the Nvidia Control panel, then system info - bottom left corner.

[hard ivy]

Idk tbh. One day, I got a hardcore game crash that took 2 windows reinstalls to fix most issues, and now my displays only work when plugged into specific DP ports and the screen flashes black every now and then when hot spot temp passes 100C. No clue how or why

[sullen gull]

Dumb question, but did you try different/new DP cables?

[hard ivy]

bought new ones. nothing changed

[sullen gull]

I have had a couple go out.

[shy mulch]

Oh, that says 560.94

[sullen gull]

Dang, that's sucky though. I miss the days when GPU's were, at most, 360. (Geforce pre RTX days and such it seems)

Ohhh, wish I still had my old Voodoo 3d cards 🤣 . See what satisfactory would do to those 🤣

[sullen gull]

Ahh, bit behind then. Tbh, I don't follow them closely enough to know what's changed since them. Though, if it ain't broke ....

[sullen gull]

try new thermal paste/pads?

[latent meadow]

wonder if trucks can kill you buy running you over

[hard ivy]

I'm waiting for the RX 9080 XT to release and prolly buying that one if it's good. I was thinking about upgrading for BL4 anyway

[sullen gull]

I can't remember if death is possible, but you definately do go 'rag doll' lol

[latent meadow]

oh yea

it funny when you do rag doll

[hard ivy]

Watercooled it 2 years ago and didn't touch anything since then. haven't looked at the hot spot temps until recently so idk if it reached 100C immediately before or after doing the WC. but it seems weird

[shy mulch]

That makes me wonder, can you set up a series of alient augmenters to ragdoll you around in a neverending circle?

[sullen gull]

Worth it going from a 4070 you think? (currently on 870E chipset iirc, with a 9800x3d)

[hard ivy]

probably too much randomness. maybe if you clipped them into each other so the sloops are closer together

[sullen gull]

Thermal paste does "wear out". It can "dry out" or gets pushed out over time depending on type.

[shy mulch]

meh probably, shame, would be funny, could even combine it with jump pads

[hard ivy]

I mean you can certainly try

[sullen gull]

Ohhhh, Pioneer Pinball 🙂

[shy mulch]

yeh that's what I was thinking lol

[sullen gull]

Wonder how one would make the "flapper"s ...

[latent meadow]

i think my Fuel generator just crashed and burned 🙁

[shy mulch]

you leave my flappers out of this

[silk ocean]

It has a limited lifespan yea, dries out eventually

[sullen gull]

Oop... mah maaaad... 😏

[shy mulch]

in satisfactory or in your living room?

[silk ocean]

Why am I replying to Tinker 😄

[latent meadow]

in my living room

i just saw a burst of flames

[shy mulch]

replying to the wrong person is fun, causes maximum confusion

[latent meadow]

should i call the fire department or let it burn

[sullen gull]

I didn't do it. I have two arms and an alibi!

[silk ocean]

Chat jumped just as I right clicked and you were there to taunt me 🤣

[shy mulch]

call 01189998819991197253

[sullen gull]

Nooooooooo, it's 867-5309..... 😏

[shy mulch]

Is it bad that I remember that number by heart

[hard ivy]

I've got a 3080 lol. so about the same. considering how much the 9070 XT costs, the 9080 XT will probably cost less than I paid for the 3080, used. the 9080 XT is prolly gonna be 60-70% more performant than the 3080/4070

[sullen gull]

Wait, that's a real number? lol

[shy mulch]

search it on youtube

[atomic notch]

Im getting the 9060

[latent meadow]

my fuel generator ran out of fuel 🙁

[sullen gull]

Ahh, ok, IT crowd. I member now 🤣

[latent meadow]

oh backup

on the stupid belts

[sullen gull]

That's kinda hard to do ... Like, they keep wanting to push you in the direction they're going ...

[latent meadow]

it hard to push when they have no where to go lol

of couse i would not leave room for a sink

[sullen gull]

Preach

[latent meadow]

im screw up 🙁

someon just blow me up get it over with lol

[sullen gull]

Nah, only true way to learn 🙂

[shy mulch]

right, it's been a long day, but I think I can squeeze in a couple hours of play 😄
let's get this dumb factory a step closer to completion

[latent meadow]

time to clear the belts

[silent goblet]

is there a place i can see the locations of hard drives. im looking for coated iron canister

[sullen gull]

If you're manually pulling stuff off, it's usually quick just to delete the whole belt. Unless that is what you meant, in which case I will kindly piss off 🙂

[sullen gull]

The recipes are not spoecfic to the drive

[silent goblet]

dang it

[hard ivy]

that's not how this works. HDD rewards are random

[sullen gull]

Each time you scan, it's a "lottery"

[silent goblet]

fgdfhgiyhbfujgk

[sullen gull]

However, in answer to your question, you can see hard drive locations on SCIM

https://www.satisfactory-calculator.com

[silent goblet]

yah

[latent meadow]

i was talking more about it just flowing tbh

[rigid mist]

i'll decorate this factory.... eventually

[latent meadow]

but yea that might be another idea tbh tinker but there a lot of backup in the machies

[sullen gull]

You can also remove items from the machine buffers as well if weren't aware.

[latent meadow]

machines so it proable not the best way just let it clear out the machines and then clear the back up unless i willing to go machine by machine clear it out

yea i could your right i just being lazy hoping it would clear faster without me havng to do that lol

wish you could manualy put items into the sink

[sullen gull]

Lol, nah, I feel that. Sometimes I'll just throw a belt to a couple container stacks to clear stuff out (connected wrong belt set on 42 refineries 😖 ) and just went off to do something else lol.

[sullen gull]

If room, i usually just throw a temp merger in and a container lol

[latent meadow]

lol

[sullen gull]

Otherwise, I have a container+sink BP that I use constantly lol.

[silent goblet]

is there an interactive map that lets you trach hard drives

[sullen gull]

SCIM

[hard ivy]

^

[latent meadow]

yea it was behaving itself tinker so i took the sink out

[silent goblet]

ok tysm

[latent meadow]

of course it made me regeret that desion

i swear it was baiting me into doing it

[silent goblet]

i mean like check yes or no to one

[sullen gull]

What are you working on/sinking?

[latent meadow]

i sthinking anything extra that cant go into stroage

sorry 4

[hard ivy]

upload your save file and it'll show you which ones are collected and which ones aren't

[silent goblet]

oh ok thx

[latent meadow]

i have plastic rubber pylomer and well the 4th aculty not going though the filter

but if they dont get sorted to the left

because the belt is full then it just go stright though to the sink

that way there no way of backup in my plastic area

[sullen gull]

And then hard drives are shown by selecting them under 'collectables' at the bottom of the menu on the right side.

[latent meadow]

and reducing the chance of wat just happend form happening so it doest produce fuel witch cuts off my energy

[rigid mist]

im going to do all my aluminium at one central location 12300 ingots/minute should do right?

[bronze atlas]

Hey all, is there a vanilla way to have the middle mouse button keep the rotation of the sampled structure?

[feral geyser]

Nah, need more

[rigid mist]

max possible with conversion is 37600

[rigid mist]

nvm forgot to turn on alternates it's 49200

[sullen gull]

I always my my max speed belt on the output for things like polymer resin in fuel builds and then just manifold it straight to the sink. Usually also "sushi" the line going to the sink until the items/min are other 1200. Then just split, and so on.

[feral geyser]

Exactly, you're barely a quarter of that

[latent meadow]

i do i have a t4

[silent goblet]

can you give it access to your files to auto update

[latent meadow]

witch right now is my max i also using the max for my main belt source

[feral geyser]

out of curiosity, what's the limiter? is it silica?

i figured

[sullen gull]

Have that going in the Swamp atm. Using electrode and sloppy recipies. built with 21 (or 24, can't remember) BP's, each doing 600 baux > 600 ingots. recylcing everything as well. I didn't bother with conversion as I want SAM avaliable for other stuff. And it's sooo nice being able to just spit out all aluminum stuff whenever/ wherever I want!

And, it's on it's own power lol, so I don't have to worry about it 😏

[feral geyser]

does that just ignore the extra bauxite, or does it use the pure recipe for the rest after the silica runs out?

[sullen gull]

Mine? or theirs?

[feral geyser]

theirs

or yours too, why not

[rigid mist]

i'm not doing conversion and i don't want to use more than 2400 of sulfur (quartz is unnecesary for some reason) so 12300

[peak wasp]

did I break it?

[sullen gull]

Lol, for me the extra 300, if that's what you mean, is making trigons (Idea I got from TunnelRat)

[peak wasp]

#screenshots message

[feral geyser]

no, you just had only one recipe left

[sullen gull]

Im not using any sulfur. each block takes 600 baux, ~280 pet coke, and 180 water

[rigid mist]

hm

[peak wasp]

do I get more later?

[feral geyser]

yes, as you unlock more phases and processes

[sullen gull]

You do get "more" with the other recipe, but at a cost.

[hard ivy]

depends in which tier you are. they are unlocked with milestones and MAM research

[rigid mist]

yeah i like having quartz cause i already use a bunch

[latent meadow]

woot oil now running smoth agin back up to 3.5k energy and everthing flowing nice and smooth

[rigid mist]

and by that matter 12300 sounds like enough

[latent meadow]

just how i like it

[sullen gull]

You're welcome to the BP if you want it for "ideas" 🤷‍♂️

[feral geyser]

if you use the Distilled process, you get crystals and silica out of the same batch of quartz

[cunning siren]

NVCleaninstall wants to use 560.94 for mah GTX 1080 but that is not the latest 🤔 sus

[sullen gull]

For me, it just kept everything so simple.

[rigid mist]

how much are you doing?

[honest ridge]

why do the belt tiers go 60, 120, then 270? and 480, surely 240 would make sense for t3 and be much nicer on the numbers

[hard ivy]

idk, ask the devs

[feral geyser]

cuz God either isn't real or he hates us

[sullen gull]

The BP takes 600 baux, 280 petcoke (give or take, can't remember atm as I'm not in game atm), and 180 water, gives 600 ingots

[atomic notch]

Im not complainin abt 30 more items pm on a mk3

[rigid mist]

oh that's just... so much easier

do you overclock any?

[sullen gull]

Yeah, always.

[rigid mist]

oh lmao 20 smelters

[sullen gull]

The least amount of machines the better for me.

The BP uses ... 7 smelters.

So, yeah, power shard heavy 😛

[rigid mist]

ts tiny

[honest ridge]

im an idiot bro

[atomic notch]

I might have to dismantle my alu and rebuild

[honest ridge]

wondering why my factory has yellow light all the time

the like 20cm belt coming out of the drill was mk1

[cunning siren]

Do doggos still give shards or did that get nerfed?

[hard ivy]

they give slugs I think

[cunning siren]

Even better

[faint locust]

How does anyone plan a build in this game? Im trying to use the planner and it has things splitting from one end of the plan to the other instead of splitting from the building right next to it...

[sullen gull]

Lol, don't worry mate, that one does get folks quite requently 😏

[heavy pine]

Whew, it took all day but I've got 80 crystal oscillators/min going into a drone port to be flown wherever they're needed.

[atomic notch]

Ill just build the machine for what i need then follow the inputs to the end

[hard ivy]

if you're using https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/planners/production, don't

[little holly]

Hey guys! I'm new and just started, is there somewhere where I can find full planed world in planner? I have watched a lot of videos, I just need directions so I can learn the game and plan for future xD 🙂

[placid stirrup]

The steam planner? Tools is generally regarded as the best to use

[sullen gull]

If you know the recipes you want, Modeler can do that.

[faint locust]

Thats exactly what im using.

[atomic notch]

If i need more than one production line ill just multiply by x where x is the amount i need

[hard ivy]

it's awful. especially in realistic mode

[faint locust]

I tried using tools, but it doesnt have the option to split out the buildings to fully layout the build.

[placid stirrup]

The game does a really solid job in walking you through the basics needed to keep progressing. Generally, the first playthrough can be treated almost as its own tutorial

[bronze atlas]

ive been using satisfactory modeller and its been good enough so far.

[heavy pine]

My game seems to be getting unstable, though it may just need to be restarted after building that enormous setup.

[sullen gull]

For giving the "plan" , ie, machine amounts, recipes, etc, "automagically" based on "most efficient" it's good.. layout wise, a bit to be desired imo.

[placid stirrup]

If you're doing a build big enough to where you need to keep track of separate machine blocks producing the same thing, I'd recommend keeping a spreadsheet in addition to your planner

[little holly]

I understand, spaggeti for first 5h, but wana know idea so I can plan factories more nicly and get rid of spaggeti after 5h xD

[rigid mist]

pipeline floor hole is the king of inconsistent

[sullen gull]

The game can get "bogged down" after long hours of play. best to just save and reload, should be gtg

[hard ivy]

frankly, I wouldn't even want that. but if you do, you probably want Modeler

[sullen gull]

That is where Modeler excells imo

[heavy pine]

I also made it a point to get well away from the facility I spent all day on. Just in case being near so many machines makes it get all wonky.

[sullen gull]

Something like so? #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

For me, I have found it starts happening more when building and deleting a long of blueprints

[cunning siren]

I messed with that program today, not really sure it's worth inputting all mah stuff in there. I like that it does sloopage though

If Modeler read the save file and auto inputed all the things, that would be amazing

[hard ivy]

for my building style, it's a complete waste of time. but depending on how you like to do your planning and building, it might be useful

[sullen gull]

Doing it "retro actively" doesn't make much sense imo. But for anything new going later, for "layout" type planning, it's good. Tools is still going to be better at coming up with the recipies for you though.

[sullen gull]

But would also have to know train, drone, truck connections and stuff as well I would think. Would be cool though.

[north steppe]

Weird question, was there anything that bugged out older saves from 1.0? Decided to get back into it and I'm falling through boulders, falling off the sides of cliffs because the floor just disappears... lol

[sullen gull]

Used to be. I have has zero issues since (or maybe just after) 1.0

[hard ivy]

that's not a known bug I don't think

[hard ivy]

I never had issues tbh. even before 1.0

[sullen gull]

There were some things moved, nodes and such iirc.. also I believe the world border changed didn't it?

[silk ocean]

so it is a known bug? XD

[cold zealot]

could someone help me, my world keeps crashing the second that i try and boot it up :(

[north steppe]

It's not just world borders, but entire like cliffs. Lemme see if I can get a decent recording of it. Almost died just now trying to scale a cliff because the entire cliff doesn't have collision.

[sullen gull]

I had it a few times in U8 (when I started), but that's it that I can recall. Though, I was a newbie too, so it just as well could have been me 🤣.

[placid stirrup]

Try searching the crash reason in #1038092680493801533

[placid stirrup]

There's a few "back of house" areas that they didn't bother with collision as much. Most areas with proper textures and stuff should be fine

[placid stirrup]

1600hrs in and I'm still finding new ways of preventing or hiding spaget

[faint locust]

See planner is telling me I need 7.5 smelters, it doesn't tell me that .5 is split between two smelters at .25 each

[cunning glade]

I plan too have all the resources being smelted or made on the bottom floor of my factory for hmf

[sullen gull]

You round up and split the clock. Or, underclock one.

[cunning glade]

The refineries still stick out the top

[hard ivy]

the machine counts are just suggestions assuming 100% speed and uptime. you can do them differently if you want, as long as the total outpus is still the same

[cunning glade]

I'm gonna see if putting them on ground level helps otherwise I'm kinda screwed and will just have too deal with it

I don't think this factory is gonna be too bad too make it's just 190 machines is the most I've ever placed for one factory

[placid stirrup]

Cut twice, measure once

[limpid cairn]

I wonder what we could do to prevent that…🤔

[placid stirrup]

Username checks out

[cunning glade]

Well I only have about another wall too drop it down before it hits the ground so

[sullen gull]

How I have "delt with" refineries: #math-and-meta message #design-and-architecture message

[cunning glade]

The math one would work if they weren't gonna be on the bottom floor

Tho I could add it too the side of the main building and have it stick out like that

The main issue is these guys are making concrete for hmf and I want them on the bottom floor with the iron and steel

[sullen gull]

There are refineries on both floors in that one.

[cunning glade]

Then they get moved up and so on

[sullen gull]

The bottom floor ones sit farther apart, and the 2nd floor, they are in closer, between the stacks of the ones below.

[cunning glade]

I see

I missed it

[north steppe]

It's every single rock formation. Like, all of them. There's the base floor that functions and keeps me from falling through the entire world, but anything on top I just go through. lol

[placid stirrup]

Damn, you got no-clip hacks on then

[north steppe]

I've got more than that. I think my save got fubar. I got slices in the world. Lol.

[cunning glade]

I just wanna make sure I make the base big enough so the top can fit all the machines

Plus I plan too leave like a half floor in-between the floors for logistics

[sullen gull]

4m

[placid stirrup]

Make sure you don't have the Lemillion mod active

[north steppe]

0 mods installed. Game is as-is.

[cunning glade]

U saying how much space too leave?

It's enough too stand up and slide jump

[sullen gull]

imo, 4m minimum for logi floors.

[cunning glade]

But no clue how tall it actually is rn

[cunning glade]

I see

[placid stirrup]

Logistical layers are so yesterday, it's all about logistical shafts now

[sullen gull]

8 if you want to stack splitters/mergers

[sullen gull]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

[cunning glade]

Don't think I'll need too

[sullen gull]

@cunning glade #screenshots message better view probably

[cunning glade]

Im making 16.85hmf a min is the plan

[cunning glade]

I see

[sullen gull]

refineries doing wet concrete?

[cunning glade]

That could work would have too move them

[sullen gull]

or pure ingots too?

[cunning glade]

Yes I'll have 7

Well 7.28

[sullen gull]

So 8

[placid stirrup]

And 110% reason to remember the name

[sullen gull]

Which is better imo for symmetry 🙂

[shy fog]

*finishes quantum encoding

[north steppe]

Game is looking... Quite weird. Gonna just go ahead and reinstall and see if maybe something just borked itself. Lol.
https://imgur.com/a/52iEChv

[rigid mist]

clocked my refineries to the right amount so that i only need 24 blueprints and not 21 cause 21 is a stupid number and doesn't divide nicely

[placid stirrup]

#screenshots plz

[north steppe]

That's what the imgur link was, will throw it in there too.

[placid stirrup]

3 and 7 in the corner: 😭

[cunning siren]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1420167591959330948 <--- bio fuel powered hyper cannon looper

[cunning glade]

217 buildings total

[rigid mist]

yes 3 and 7 sucks when you have buildings that stack nicely 2 next to eachother

[cunning glade]

Smelters are placed and refineries

[sullen gull]

Yeah, I started with blueprints making 500, needed 24. But 500 is a pain to dvide 1200 amongst. hence 600

[cunning glade]

And whatever makes steel

[sullen gull]

Not over clocking I presume?

[cunning glade]

Foundrys iirc

[cunning glade]

Don't plan too tho I could

[placid stirrup]

Belts from two with the third splitting evenly into both

[cunning glade]

Main issue would be belt speed with oc

Till I actually finish this phase but it won't be too big of an issue tbh

Think the plan is hmf biofuel and then space ele parts

Or liquid bio fuel I should say

[sullen gull]

Granted, I am using mk6 belts, but, with everything over clocked max, making everything in the singularity cell chain. Which includes HMF (19.64/min). #screenshots message

[rigid mist]

me when 15m^3/min pipe

[sullen gull]

This is all it takes for 19.64/min #screenshots message

[cunning glade]

Idk what that is as so for my safety of spoilers I will wait too check that

[sullen gull]

Just a number of machines

[north steppe]

Reinstalling fixed my issue. That was a weird bug.
#screenshots message

[sullen gull]

And sorry, the cell is a late game item heh

[cunning siren]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1420169375360618516Lower <-- profile and width manifold for assembler. Mustard and Ketchup color schemes for the lulz 😆

[cunning glade]

I see

[cunning glade]

Welp back too work close in an hour and new episode of alien earth Tonight so need too be home by 8

[sullen gull]

The second one I posted is just what it takes for me to produce 19.64 HMF /min

[cunning glade]

And my shitty GM is leaving me a ton of closing stuff yippee 🕺

[cunning glade]

I see it takes 1900 iron and like 800 limestone 600 coal for me

Around that ball park

[sullen gull]

What belt tier you at now btw?

[cunning glade]

4

It won't be that bad

But it'll be a little annoying I feel

[sullen gull]

Yeah, those numbers are the same., I was referring to the amoung of machines ...

62. vs 217 lol

[cunning glade]

The main annoyance will be moving 2400 screws with mk4

[sullen gull]

With over clocking.

Ahh, that recipe doesn't use screws 🤣

[rigid mist]

me when i overclock to 216.875%

[cunning siren]

TIL if you drop your paleberrys on the ground for your doggo heard to eat and your game crashes, game steals the food! 😡

[sullen gull]

Using stiched iron plate lol

[sullen gull]

I set 4 decimal placed' clock rates all the time 🙂

waits for the murder squad...

[hard ivy]

yeah, I do too. they're all 0 though

[cold zealot]

can you use SCIM to debug?

[cunning glade]

I like screws tbh

[sullen gull]

The last one I can recall was something like 168.6667% 😏

[cunning glade]

I'm excited for my factory too consume screws

I'm excited for big factory tbh

[latent meadow]

nice gone for a a bit and come back everting still running ❤️

[cunning glade]

All my current ones are small

Even making what 15 computers a min didn't need much space

[rigid mist]

where do i put another megaproject

[cunning glade]

Up

[rigid mist]

lmao what

[sullen gull]

Oh, I have nothing against screws. It just worked better as I was already making wire from a pure copper node.

[cunning glade]

In the sky

[rigid mist]

no?

[winged bronze]

is something going on with Steam? My Satisfactory won't sync...

[sullen gull]

If you're referring to aluminum, my vote would either be swamp or the large open area of the rocky desert. This way, it's a straight shot either way for all the bauxite.

[topaz galleon]

having the same issue

[rigid mist]

i hate the swamp anyways

[hard ivy]

they had issues like 2h ago for me so maybe there's still something up

[winged bronze]

Ok so it's definitely something with Steam then

[shy fog]

steam is absolutely an issue atm

[cunning glade]

Valid

[topaz galleon]

i just played anyways and it synced so? but then Re-authenticating???

steam servers?

[winged bronze]

It's fixed now after I cleared cache

[sullen gull]

either way though, You'd want to be on the coast for the water. And, if "mimicking" what I was, I would do one extractor per BP. Again, just makes it simpler

[rigid mist]

i'm doing it the annoying, difficult, but aesthetically pleasing way

[unkempt blade]

you mean with rainbows everywhere?

[rigid mist]

hope so but swatches can't be gradients so we still wait

[sullen gull]

Yes, but with setups like that one, you'll play hell if you try to feed it from a line giving more than it needs.

[shy fog]

steam maintenance day FTL...

[rigid mist]

#screenshots message here's the bp i made

[unkempt blade]

you have to DIY the rainbows which is the difficult part

[rigid mist]

or just use signs

[unkempt blade]

shiny rainbows, I like it!

[sullen gull]

recycling the waste water or using it elsewhere?

[rigid mist]

there's waste water?

[lament niche]

so apparently if I remove the elevator, place the beam, and then place the elevator back it works just fine lmao #screenshots message

[sullen gull]

When making aluminium there is lol

[rigid mist]

rotate the beam

[lament niche]

uh what

[topaz galleon]

restarting steam works

[rigid mist]

not for me i need 3690 water

[sullen gull]

Uh what uh what?

[lament niche]

you can't in holo mode

[lament niche]

what recipes are YOU using

[rigid mist]

before stretching the beam rotate it. works for me

[unkempt blade]

can it really be considered waste if I turn it into wonderful wet concrete?

[sullen gull]

🤦‍♂️

-# goes back to building

[rigid mist]

yummers

[zenith fractal]

so you're recycling it back into the production of the alumina solution?

[rigid mist]

yes

[atomic notch]

More concrete in the bus😏

[zenith fractal]

very understandable

[cunning siren]

Concrete "sinks well" for points, super easy to make and not much power either 🤔

[unkempt blade]

gotta feed that depot so I can keep spamming skyroads!

[atomic notch]

I always use it in other productions

Less resources i gotta train in

[unkempt blade]

yeah depends how close it is to the steel plant or whatever else I would send it to

otherwise it goes to the depot until it overflows

there's limestone basically everywhere so it never really feels like it's worth moving it long distance

[atomic notch]

It goes depot-production-sink overflow

[atomic notch]

Prolly worth mentioning that all my stuff is in one spot

So its actually easier for me to pull concrete from something like that then having to train more stuff in

[magic valley]

Finally getting around to portals. What's the usage of signularity cells? Didn't realize they needed fuel to run. Trying to figure out how many singularity cells per minute would be enough.

[hard ivy]

you need 2/min per portal pair

[magic valley]

Perfect

[pulsar osprey]

Welp, now I need to decide what to do with my save now that I've beaten the game. Not having a goal to work to anymore is weird

[sullen gull]

Curious, only one main per satellite right? Or can multiple satellites connect to a main?

[sullen gull]

Sandbox it

Do w/e you desire 🙂

Start anew. Go creative. Go wild! ....

[pulsar osprey]

I think it's only one main per satellite

[sullen gull]

needs to lay off the sugar

[hard ivy]

afaik, the connection is always made between a main and a satellite. you can change it manually, but it's always a 1-1 connection

[hard ivy]

I always build a huge nuke plant when I'm done with the phases

[pulsar osprey]

I did one myself, although I haven't actually used the plutonium fuel rods yet

just sinking them for now, although I did fill up a industrial chest with them. Thank GOD I have my hazmat filters ready XD

[honest ridge]

possible glitch where in a jetpack, going into photo and decoupled camera mode will made you indeffinitely go up

[sullen gull]

Can use as drone fuel too

[pulsar osprey]

Fair

maybe I'll modify my packaged rocket fuel area to make ionized fuel

although I'd need to shuttle over a source of those dark matter crystals for that alternate recipe

[faint locust]

Okay, I worked through my headache. 5x modular frames, 5x reinforced plates and 4x rotors are now being produced.

[dim flint]

Finally automated synthetic power shards today.

[faint locust]

Im really bad at visualizing these kinds of things.

[dim flint]

Use modeler 😉

[faint locust]

I looked at it, and it looked like a lot of work.

[dim flint]

Eh, not really.

[faint locust]

Thats why I wanted Planner to work. It does all the buildings for you if you put your desired output in.

[hard ivy]

so does Satisfactory Tools

[sullen gull]

I think that's what they're referring given past convo?

[faint locust]

Yeah, but it does it in the condensed way. I need the visual of all the building laid out and how they are connecting. The problem with planner is all the splitting and merging is all over the place.

[reef basin]

"how they are laid out" depends on your build style

[faint locust]

#screenshots message

[reef basin]

no planner can really do that for you

[hard ivy]

yeah, no calculator is gonna do that for you well. SCIM Planner does it, but not only not well, but also often incorrectly

[reef basin]

that's not Satisfactory Tools though

[faint locust]

I know, I said this is what I want, and tools doesnt seem to have that option

[dim flint]

It would be pretty cool to have an optimizer try to actually do layout well... but I haven't seen it done.

[reef basin]

again, because that depends on like 1000000 things and is different for every user

[reef basin]

given that practically every person has different idea of how such plan should look like, I don't think that's a good idea to try

[dim flint]

I mean you could have it simply try to minimize area/volume.

[hard ivy]

I don't think it's even possible. how do you deal with multiple full belts of one item? injection? balancing? rate matching? overflowing? rate/ratio splitters?

[faint locust]

It really shouldnt. Why would I split from one end of the build to the other end willingly?

[reef basin]

how you split your resources/machines/belts/whatever is different for each user

[atomic notch]

im an optimizer and i do it all the time

[cunning siren]

I bet ADA could do it 😆

[dim flint]

I mean, it's definitely possible in theory. There exists a minimum volumetric design for any given I/O... but figuring it out seems very hard.

[dim flint]

Can you prove it? 😛

[atomic notch]

yeah dude i play the game i build layouts all the time

[sullen gull]

gRRRR... why doesn't the Quantum Encoder not have a catwalk snap point 😭

[faint locust]

But either way, I just ended up turning on simple mode and did the best to math it out based on outputs and just grouped things together the best I could. Ended up having to belt some rods from the middle of the build around and to the end for rotors.

[dim flint]

I mean, how do you know it's minimal though?

[reef basin]

that's unsolved problem in IT, but even then - the layout would probably be horrible to build/use

[dim flint]

Most likely.

[atomic notch]

i dont build minimal so a minimal design wouldnt work

[faint locust]

#screenshots message Result

[dim flint]

Circuit minimization is indeed unsolved in general AKAIK, which is effectively the same problem.

[reef basin]

well, "unsolved" means that it's extremly difficult to find the optimal solution, obviously solutions exist, but it's usally just bruteforce/approximation/etc.

[rigid mist]

wait what i was reloading my rebar gun and then it just flew away from me and fell then returned to my hand

[atomic notch]

well good thing my brain doesnt run on something as bckwater trash as a circuit

[hard ivy]

again, I highly advise against using that planner, even in simple mode. it's just bad and imo has no redeemable qualities

[dim flint]

NP-hard really.

[reef basin]

I didn't assume any experience of OP with computer terms, so I explained it in a simpler way 🙂

[dim flint]

Well, my point is, it's entirely possible someone could build something which does this. It would just be compuitationally expensive and unlikely to be pretty.

[atomic notch]

yeah dude idk shit abt digital computers other than like how they work,

[dim flint]

You could try to do things like add padding between bounding boxes, and forcing some things to be laid out in 2D... but still.

[reef basin]

I wouldn't want to wait several days for solver to give me a layout that's horrible to build

[dim flint]

IDK, I might find that kinda neat still.

A seriously overdesigned solver could also optimize for how to build the thing based on how the game lets you construct things.

Using snapping points as a metric.

[reef basin]

I wouldn't want to spend time on a tool that makes players play less

if you're just copy-pasting machines based on what some tool tells you, are you even playing the game?

or are you just glorified Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V medium?

[dim flint]

It's a valid point.

But it would make things more satisfying in the end because it would feel more tightly optimized.

[reef basin]

(like yeah, it would be interesting from programmer's point of view to come up with something like that, but I don't think that it's a good idea to make something like that)

[dim flint]

Some people would like that.

[reef basin]

optimising for space which is arguably the "most infinite" thing in the game seems very weird

[atomic notch]

theres better methods than digital computing

[dim flint]

There's always a tradeoff between doing things yourself from scratch and feeling the sense of accomplishment when you get it all working yourself, and using tools which make it easier and better with less effort.

[faint locust]

Also, I've notices sometimes when using straight mode while not turning the belt at all, will cause it to become crooked at the end point of the placed belt.

[unkempt blade]

yeah some subset of my blueprints basically try to do that and it's a fun puzzle but I can't imagine wanting to just rebuild a solved blueprint for the equivalent

[steady glade]

the devs know about that bug

they tried to address it in the latest update but i guess its still a thing

[sullen gull]

This seems to be a bug that happens after using straight to turn. You should notice the last one placed is like just a touch twisted.

[placid stirrup]

Only if the connection point is already not in line with the plane you're pulling the straight belt in

[dim flint]

This generally happens when you aren't starting on a 90 degree bend.

[atomic notch]

wait thats a bug? i thought i was just placing wrong lmao

[dim flint]

I haven't noticed a bug.

[placid stirrup]

I'm just in the habit of rotating out of crookedness then straightening it back

[dim flint]

I generally only have to do that in default/curved mode.

Once things are straight on some foundation, straight mode works fine.

[steady glade]

it is a bug, though rarely, it'll happen even if you use straight mode all the way through

[atomic notch]

im so used to building straight pipes on normal mode i forget to use straight mode

[placid stirrup]

Well yes you have to do it in those modes since straight is fixed haha, but if straight gives you that weird misalignment then that's the easiest way

[hard ivy]

You can have the belt be slightly crooked when in straight mode, and you're stretching the belt from a connection to a pole that is not yet placed, and after a 90° curve, the pole placed with the belt is just a little bit off

[rigid mist]

my train is 50 freight wagons and 8 locomotives do i add more locomotives

[hard ivy]

I never had more than 8 wagons in 1 train

[placid stirrup]

You rethink life

[rigid mist]

also it transports nothing

[dim flint]

Interesting. I really haven't noticed that.

[rigid mist]

nah it's good i might double it though

[placid stirrup]

And give it to the next person?

[rigid mist]

is there a way to do a smaller rotation

[dim flint]

wdym?

[lament niche]

inb4 snutt is that next person

[rigid mist]

why are you guys sad reacting this it's my personal transportation train

[atomic notch]

Thats a long train

It would be cooler if it actually transported resources

I imaging each stop would get increasingly larger but eh

Its ur build lol

[dim flint]

I kinda want to make a quantum processing disco factory.

[rigid mist]

discolab

[dim flint]

All these lights need a disco ball... too bad there aren't mirrors in the game.

[limpid cairn]

i think its too early in the 21th century for functional mirrors in a casual game

[placid stirrup]

You can strobe signs if you clip them just right. I've found the frame floors are perfect for this

[feral geyser]

The "sob" is more like a cry-laugh when I use it

And the "joy" is like a laugh-cry

It makes sense

[atomic notch]

i finally got on my world,been playin other games recently, gettin like a million sink ponts pm

[feral geyser]

hell yeah

[atomic notch]

169 coupons😎

[limpid cairn]

buy a hard drive...

[midnight ocean]

i need to completely redo my base so does anyone have any tips for planning it or for good base design?

[rigid mist]

ok now i legitamently need 60 freight wagons

[limpid cairn]

good luck

[rigid mist]

for 12300 bauxite X 15 mins

[atomic notch]

for what?

already got all the alts

[rigid mist]

ok i redid the math it's only 44 cars

[limpid cairn]

to put it on a frame and be happy to what you made

[sullen gull]

Sink one and then buy a cyber truck 😎

[rigid mist]

how the fuck do i fit this

[atomic notch]

id rather spend it on a golden nug

[hard ivy]

multiple trains

[rigid mist]

fair

3x15

[sullen gull]

If after achievements at all though, it's one of them 😏

[rigid mist]

but still giant ass train would look really cool

[hard ivy]

12300 baux/min only needs like 8 platforms. so do several 8 wagon trains

[shy mulch]

Good bit of progress tonight. Faster than I expected. At this rate 1 or 2 more evenings and I'll have the functionality for my big factory all done, then I can start working on cleaning up the aesthetics

[zenith fractal]

it would

I love trains

[outer scarab]

is there a way to rotate I-beams?

[void cliff]

General advice is to just go elsewhere and make a new base there.

[sullen gull]

Are you referring to when placing them on a beam support?

[rigid mist]

yeah i could just do a lot of 8 wagons but
44 wagons would look cool as shit though

[outer scarab]

no on the floor going up vertically

[rigid mist]

90 foundations ain't that much

[sullen gull]

You should be able to hit h and rotate. before clicking to extend, i think.

[midnight ocean]

im planning to redo it kinda close but on a platform over the void so i can keep my current one running but i was meaning more so tips for making the new base less messy

[sullen gull]

Heh, a BP I ust made has 76 4m and 850something 1m foundations 🤣

[rigid mist]

no i mean 90 foundations long

[outer scarab]

H is nudge not rotate

[rigid mist]

2x22 trains

[sullen gull]

Try your mouse wheel

[outer scarab]

doesnt do anything

[sullen gull]

If not, try it after clicking ... one of them will allow to rotate. UNLESS... you are snaping it to a small beam support...

[void cliff]

The best ways to stay organized are to plan out builds, use a blueprint, and use logistics floors, even though I hate logistics floors, I usually just do them by mounting conveyors on the same floor/ceiling as my equipment and I like the look of it for the most part.

[outer scarab]

ok after clicking it works ty

[midnight ocean]

logistics floors?

[void cliff]

Like a floor separate from your machines that just moves materials from one machine to another.

[midnight ocean]

oh so make a basement to hide the mess of conveyors?

[void cliff]

Basically yes. It can still be well organized, though

[sullen gull]

If you are trying to snap an H beam to the beam support and it's only going one way, come off of it, rotate one tick of the mouse wheel, and back onto the beam support... h beam should have rotated 90

[sullen gull]

My philosophy is a min 4m "logi floor"

[void cliff]

I like the look of a single foundation 4m logistics floor but it doesn’t work well if you ever need to cross over

[limpid cairn]

isnt 4 meters too small for a good logistics floor?

[midnight ocean]

also is it worth combining all of my resources of the same type (e.g. combining all iron ore) or is it better to have it seperate and just use one mine for screws and one mine for plates etc

[sullen gull]

Allows for two rows on ceiling mounts and one merger/splitter

[sullen gull]

Depends on the amount of logistics of course. If I have to go "under" splitters/mergers at all, I go a min of 6m. usually 8m

[dense violet]

not really. A lot of effort, not benefit.

fine if you think it's fun? if not, don't bother

and logistic floors are fine but not the be all and end all of design. Just give yousrelf space between machines and plan out your logistics path

[sullen gull]

But otherwise, I would disagree. can do a ton within 4m height. Just "may" require some ducking or sliding if you want/need to "puruse" the floor 🤣

[midnight ocean]

is there anything i can do to make it easier to upgrade my base in future so i dont have to constantly start new ones as well?

[sullen gull]

But Cobalt is correct, a "logi floor" isn't the only way to make great looking builds

[sullen gull]

planning really

[dense violet]

not really? you can if you don't care about efficiency

[sullen gull]

leaving space to expand/addon

[dense violet]

but the game forces you to spread out, so you might as well make new factories

[midnight ocean]

I'm not so bothered about good looking its more about efficiency and upgradability

[dense violet]

then no. Just build new factories. You have to build more machines anyway, basically teh same thing

[midnight ocean]

so is it better to have different factories for different items rather than one central one?

[dense violet]

if you care about efficiency? yes

making a mega factory, even if you know your very final goal, and every recipe you're going to use, and how everythign is going to get there, AND having good game skills? difficult to do

basically a nightmare if you plan on 'growing' it

100x more work

if you don't care about efficiency? it's pretty easy

[midnight ocean]

ok i might just do a factory for each base resource for the moment then

[dense violet]

You do you 🙂 half the game is figuring out how you like to do things

I make a central factory to go up the tiers. It's not efficient but it's fast and easy

[midnight ocean]

eventually i won't care about efficiency but for the moment i want to progress a bit faster

[zenith fractal]

I personally like a lot of little factories, I only do large ones for very basic resources.

[dense violet]

really? I'm the opposite. My final permanent factories are perfect

[midnight ocean]

my final one will be my pretty one

[sullen gull]

I'm curious at how everyone defines "efficiency" for this game ....

[zenith fractal]

nothing is wasted

[midnight ocean]

for me its how quickly i get the final products

[sullen gull]

So, for "clarity", wasted also includes sinking items?

[zenith fractal]

no, I need the golden nut. I only use sinks for overflow anyway

[dense violet]

ah then what you're talking about is very easy if you don't care about stuttering machines xD

[sullen gull]

As one of the tips say, faster belts don't always mean faster production 😏

[dense violet]

efficiency, when it's not thrown around to mean anything, is just using all the materials appropriately without the systems clogging and going to sleep

[sullen gull]

👍

[dense violet]

floor 1 smelters
floor 2 constructors
floor 3 assembers
ect ect

build upwards, leave space sideways to extend the line. Have buffers between production lines, feed as needed #1397385809015083118 message

[midnight ocean]

if a stuttering machine doesnt change the amount of end product i dont care but generally a system that runs without stutters will produce an end product faster

[dense violet]

well stuttering machines that are clogged will make less than non stuttering machines

but it's very fast to build

[terse kindle]

is there a way to turn off the anniversary music in the HUB? I'm losing my mind

[midnight ocean]

my point about not caring about stuttering was that if a maxed out machine only needs 40/min and im producing 45/min i don't really care about that waste

[sullen gull]

Disable Seasonal events in settings

[rigid mist]

do you need a locomotive at the front?

[terse kindle]

my ears thank you

[sullen gull]

If it's a push/pull

[midnight ocean]

you will need to restart you game btw

[limpid cairn]

for trains? yes

[terse kindle]

already did, thank you

[rigid mist]

i have 4 locomotives at the back and 23 freight cars at the front

[dense violet]

then have a look at my basic link and steps. It's easy and fast

[sullen gull]

Erm, does that work? I mean, I guess, theoretically if you placed the station at the back ...

[midnight ocean]

are there any tools to help plan out spacing and conveyor directions btw?

[rigid mist]

i just have a wagon where the front locomotive would be and it doesn't get used

[sullen gull]

Firstly. remember, it's the locomotive that needs a station to dock to

[rigid mist]

i'll see if it works

[cunning siren]

Not sure what you are saying here

[midnight ocean]

so is there a tool that i can use to help me plan out the routing of conveyors between machines?

[dense violet]

there's a building simulator in 3d space that lets you layout buildings and belts?

its called 'Satisfactory', pretty helpful 😛

[midnight ocean]

tbh i probably wont have as much issue since im going to be building a new factory

[dense violet]

mostly just plan out thigns on paper or a spread sheet, + practice and you get better fast

[atomic notch]

generally routing conveyors and building placement is something you just gotaa learn by playin the game

[midnight ocean]

its more so that i dont make a section perfect then realise ive got to shift half of it one grid to the left to fit something else in

[viscid bobcat]

does it matter where I put the pump

for pipes

[sullen gull]

yes

[viscid bobcat]

bruh

[atomic notch]

wdym bruh its basic physics

[sullen gull]

If directly after a machine, no more than 10m above it's output.

[viscid bobcat]

ok well that I know

[dense violet]

yup, that's just practice and planning with a few notes
keep track of how many buildings you need on each end, plan where you're putting them, then leave some extra space for logistics

[cunning siren]

OH ok, i've been building standardized foundations with patterns on them that indicate where "all the things" algin so they will all fit perfectly as I wish when I extend lifts and belts and such. There are also "quirks" in the game mechanics that when holding CTRL will allow you to "snap" exactly in line with an adjacent object

[viscid bobcat]

I put it at the bottom of the elevated pipe

[sullen gull]

If after that, just below the headlift of the last pump

[viscid bobcat]

the elevated pipe is only 12 meters high

[dense violet]

well you need to put it before the current head lift runs out

[viscid bobcat]

i did

[dense violet]

then thats fine 🙂

[sullen gull]

If it will reach all the way where you need it, then it's fine.

[viscid bobcat]

the water isnt reaching tho

[dense violet]

you could show what you're doing with some overhead shots in #math-and-meta ?

[midnight ocean]

yeah the issues i had was mainly with getting screws everywhere i needed and the conveyors clipping through stuff

[viscid bobcat]

i sent it plz hel

[cunning siren]

Most folk will tell you "just play" to figure all the "quirkyness" out as far as tricks and tips. There are so many it's kind of nutty

Maybe somebody has a beginners guide video out there for such stuff

[midnight ocean]

yeah anyone who knows good beginners guides would be great

[rigid mist]

#screenshots message bruh

[midnight ocean]

this is my first world since i played in early access and even then i hadnt played much

[dense violet]

make screws right before you use them. Makes it much easier since screws expand from their first part

it's a common rookie mistake that makes people hate screws

[twilit tinsel]

i just placed a miner on nothing wtf

[rigid mist]

the etnire problem is the front first wagons so it doesn't work

[midnight ocean]

i was producing them and immediately putting them into constructors but it was because i needed to split them 4 ways

[dense violet]

all part of learning logistics 🙂

you'll get there

[dense violet]

some nodes are a little lower in the ground

[midnight ocean]

oh yeah definitely i just didnt leave enough space for it initially

[dense violet]

practice 😄

took a long time for me to get tehre too 🙂

[twilit tinsel]

ohhh

[dense violet]

It's very low on the priority list to fix I imagine since it doesn't stop anyone from doing anythign really

[twilit tinsel]

fair

[dense violet]

there might be like 2-3 like that on the map? can't recall

they aren't in parts of the world I often use

[midnight ocean]

btw would you say its worth switching completely to fuel generators or should i leave my coal gens running?

[zenith fractal]

personally, I let my coal gennies run. it reminds me how far I've come.

[reef basin]

no reason to dismantle them

at that point you'd be wasting time to get less power, kinda doesn't make sense 🙂

[sharp sentinel]

Cost-wise is cast screws better or just the flat screw recipe? I'm trying to build a giant motor factory.

[reef basin]

I mean you can check the math yourself, but cast screws don't save any materials

[zenith fractal]

wrong screw recipe I had in mind

[sharp sentinel]

I didn't want to check the math myself, is why I asked. oTL

[zenith fractal]

cast screws are useful tho

let's you skip making iron rods in it's production

[atomic notch]

#screenshots message for the new peeps asking about layout heres an example of how i did all my phase 1 materials

[reef basin]

which means you can't use any of the rod alts to make it actually useful 😛

[reef basin]

I mean the game has a lot of math, so I'd recommend getting used to it 😛

[sharp sentinel]

I've clearly been too inactive, you seem to be mistaking me for a beginner again.

[hard ivy]

the only way I would actually make screws is default screw + steel rod. any other way doesn't make sense for me to use
and then copper rotor

[sharp sentinel]

My fault for getting frustrated my drones got mixed up and quitting for a few months.

[midnight ocean]

so vertical is good?

[reef basin]

I'm not?

[atomic notch]

yeah if you dont want the belts to clip

[sharp sentinel]

I might be making too much iron here, I suddenly realise.

[atomic notch]

you can totally put the mergers and splitters on the grounds

[zenith fractal]

tbh electricity is a resource so cast screws do save on that in thhe least

[hard ivy]

not using screws at all usually saves more. both raw resources and power

[midnight ocean]

ok currently i my factory only has belts going up to go over other ones but theyre mostly on the ground

[zenith fractal]

we're not talking about if we should or shouldn't use screws but which screw recipe

screws suck tho alts are king

[hard ivy]

copper rotor is pretty dece tho

[atomic notch]

if you use the conveyor lifts for your manifolds you can run stuff on different levels and it makes it super easy to build

[silk ocean]

I wouldn't mind a Game+ mode, start again wth all the alt recipes

[hard ivy]

it's called AGS

[silk ocean]

Mod?

[midnight ocean]

what are manifolds?

[zenith fractal]

a type of logistic system

for conveyors

[silk ocean]

Oh, yeah, advanced game settings... shoulda figured

[hard ivy]

advanced game settings

[midnight ocean]

oh is it worth setting up?

[zenith fractal]

it's a very common system to use

[atomic notch]

the ones i got in the pic are smaller but u might be able to see the furnace stack in the background

[silk ocean]

Not got the game running, can you start at tier X, i.e. skip the starter fac. Maybe 4/5 would be good

[hard ivy]

yeah, you can set your phase, unlock atls, MAM

[silk ocean]

Noice

In that case I might roll another fac, this one is pretty much done as far as I'm concerned

[midnight ocean]

what does it do/ how does it work?

[dense violet]

you're probably already using it

[midnight ocean]

i have no clue

[dense violet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1407002332239237210/1407004901015294013/image.png?ex=68d3fced&is=68d2ab6d&hm=01c8849de0f6a2b45eba75f2681778ef2311d763bd652b7125fe73019434ff22&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[midnight ocean]

using mergers to join belts together?

[zenith fractal]

and using splitters to feed buildings with one input belt

[dense violet]

it's how you feed machines. a belt with splitters that feed machines

[midnight ocean]

oh ok yeah i am using that then ig

although it does mean the end one takes ages to get up to full production speed

[versed mesa]

Hello all

[zenith fractal]

that is one of it's downsides

[versed mesa]

Ive got a question i want to ask

[zenith fractal]

whar?

[versed mesa]

Ok soo ive got 8 freight carriages

And at my stations ive got 4 load and unload depots

[silk ocean]

The rest will just hang off the end

[zenith fractal]

I think you need 8 loading and unloading

[midnight ocean]

so could i set up a factory as just a bunch of manifolds for lines of the different stages of production?

[zenith fractal]

stations for that many carts

[silk ocean]

I do think that longer trains are better if you need them (rather than multi trains) - the downtime on the station is just soooo darn long

[versed mesa]

It seams that with the four I can only fill up 4 of my carriages and once filled up I can't continue to fill up the other four so I am guessing ill need 8 for 1 station ect

[zenith fractal]

yes

1 loading/unloading thing for 1 cart

[versed mesa]

So theres no way for it to fill up other 4 carts once done ?

[zenith fractal]

nope, 1 unloading/loading thing only fills/takes from 1 cart

[silk ocean]

Need to be 8 freight stations

[versed mesa]

Thats what I thought it sucks

[silk ocean]

How come

[midnight ocean]

what is the advantage to trains over conveyors btw?

[zenith fractal]

distance

[versed mesa]

I just w8sh i could do that because I was trying todo it many hours ago

[zenith fractal]

if somethings far away conveyors not only look ugly but are annoying to set up

[silk ocean]

All it needs is the space xD

[zenith fractal]

trains look cool and are easier to set up outside thhe initial requirement

[midnight ocean]

so trains are easier to set up over long distance?

[versed mesa]

Transporting goids to another factory to contruct parts

[zenith fractal]

yes

[silk ocean]

You won't be using conveyor belts when moving goods over the whole world xD Plus trains do massive amounts more than even the best belt

[versed mesa]

Are you talking about adding 8 fre8ght stations ?

[midnight ocean]

currently i have a 2.4km long conveyor

[silk ocean]

Yea, all it needs is the room to plan it out

[versed mesa]

Yeah nah i am goid then lol

[zenith fractal]

the max conveyor length I do is 1.5km before i begin to use trains

[silk ocean]

I'd probably be using a train by that distance but just personal op

[midnight ocean]

ig probably more since its 2.4km when direct

i dont have trains unlocked yet so it was a make do sorta thing

[zenith fractal]

ah makes sense

[versed mesa]

@silk ocean ive got another question if your able to answer please its todo with train and cargo still

@silk ocean when 4 carts are filled am I able to fill the last 4 carts at another station ?

[midnight ocean]

can trains be a hypertube alternative too?

[silk ocean]

Yep

[versed mesa]

Ah thats great

[zenith fractal]

I sometimes hitch a ride from a train if I get the chance

[versed mesa]

@silk ocean thanks mate

[silk ocean]

You can even mix goods if you like, just has to be one type per car

[midnight ocean]

but hypertubes are still easier?

[zenith fractal]

I must admit i haven't played with the tubes much

I should tho

[versed mesa]

Yeah i did this earlier by m8stage but its ok i late it continue it was plastic and rubber in 1 lol

[midnight ocean]

its the same as setting up conveyors really

[zenith fractal]

ah, i prefer trains if the distance is large then.

[silk ocean]

Yea you can indeed mix in one car but not a great idea XD

[zenith fractal]

trains are kinda just there so you don't lose your mind to how far things get in the mid-late game

[midnight ocean]

can trains transport liquids or do i need to package them?

[hard ivy]

yes, but it can be more efficient to package them

[zenith fractal]

they can but a lot of people prefer to make whatever they are making at the source of the liquids then use trains to transport the product

[midnight ocean]

i was thinking for fuel mainly

[zenith fractal]

make it at the source imo

just use cables and such to connect the powergrid

[midnight ocean]

oh ok so just have one big power factory?

[zenith fractal]

yep

I prefer to keep my power stations remote and away from everythhing else anyway

[frail sleet]

A power cable has a lot more throughput than a train cart 😄

[midnight ocean]

the oil nodes all seem to be in the same place at least so should be able to make a decent amount

[frail sleet]

easier to build, too

[versed mesa]

Yeah because you'll have to split them up almost manually put just thinking that the better plitters can't separate them onto different belts

[silk ocean]

Yep and if one supply is more than another you may never get the lesser one out, it's mostly a bad idea xD

[versed mesa]

Lol

[silk ocean]

But it's okay to load/unload 1 type per car if you want to

[versed mesa]

Facts

[dense violet]

you haven't explored much of hte map

[midnight ocean]

Sorry I meant that there's a bunch of them in the same spot

But no I haven't the map is massive

[feral geyser]

It's pretty decently sized

[dense violet]

it's pretty common to have groupings of them yeah 🙂

[midnight ocean]

The one im using is around a lake towards the east of the map

[dense violet]

next to a big cliff?

[midnight ocean]

Yeah

[dense violet]

about the centre of the map then. Probably the only 'easy' place for turbo fuel too

[rigid mist]

me when train double helix

[midnight ocean]

Turbo fuel?

[stone owl]

I miss the party music already

[vale grotto]

Next tier up of fuel for fuel generators!

[dense violet]

a nother step of fuel processing you get later. It's fine?

basically every step of fuel processing you make just converts other resources to oil

[midnight ocean]

Oh does it use hydrogen?

[dense violet]

turbo fuel, for example, typically adds coal and sulfur to stretch out the oil

But you could always just make more diluted fuel

[midnight ocean]

Ah ok then

So setting up a power plant and fuel production there is a good idea?

[dense violet]

I mean, you need some power

I typically just use about 64 coal gens until tier 7 or so. But definitely not the only way to d othings

[feral geyser]

Best place for a power plant is Blue Crater in the southeast

Has coal, crude, sulfur, and nitrogen

Make shitloads of Rocket Fuel

[midnight ocean]

I think that's where my current oil production is

[dense violet]

eh, rocket fuel is bland and boring

[feral geyser]

Rocket fuel is fun

Plus it's good for tons of power.

Spam massive fields of gens, just to piss off Cobalt

Make them as flat as possible

[midnight ocean]

Yeah that is where my current oil production is so ill just expand it there and bring the power over to my current base

[feral geyser]

Plus it's a gas, so no head lift.

[dense violet]

or just build power elsewhere? lots of spots on the map.
or go nuclear. Each nuclear generator does 10x the power of 1x fuel

and it's pretty simple

[feral geyser]

Nuclear is gross, byproduct yuck

[midnight ocean]

I don't have nuclear yet and it seems like the smartest place to set it up

[dense violet]

oh sure but you can easily get away with like 30gw until nuclear. Not a hard leap

[midnight ocean]

Currently my total production is less than 1gw

[feral geyser]

If you're just storing nuke waste at the edge of the map, you are setting up for eventual failure. It may take a while, but it will fill if you don't do anything about it, then it will stop.

[midnight ocean]

I have 4 coal gens and 1 fuel gen set up and only 3 of the coal gens are hooked up to my main factory

[midnight ocean]

Can you not sink nuke waste?

[feral geyser]

So don't do nuclear until you have a production chain to deal with the waste

[feral geyser]

No

[midnight ocean]

Ah that's a shame

[feral geyser]

You can process it up to Plutonium rods and sink those.

[midnight ocean]

But i don't have nuclear unlocked yet and I don't think that's in sight yet either

[feral geyser]

Then rocket fuel it is 🚀

[midnight ocean]

I also don't have that yet so regular fuel will have to do but I can set up in the blue crater snd just upgrade the fuel over time

[feral geyser]

Yeee

Blue Crater is also a decent place for nuclear handling too, cuz you have most of what you need for all the way to Ficsonium.

[atomic notch]

build a fuel plant that starts up a huge turbofuel plant then youll be fine till nuclear

[midnight ocean]

I think ill also make a fuel plant that produces way more power than I need so I don't have to redo it later

Btw how can I prevent it getting clogged up with the byproducts?

[feral geyser]

That's always a good call. Min/maxing power production is well worth it.

[atomic notch]

more refineries

but ones that process resin

so you will need water as well

[midnight ocean]

Oh I guess i could just sink any excess actually

[atomic notch]

or that but i usually grab the rubber and platic

[midnight ocean]

Yeah i just want a failsafe incase my storage for that fills up

[atomic notch]

then you can upload to depot before sinking

[midnight ocean]

Id probably upload and keep a full industrial storage container full before sinking

[atomic notch]

or load onto a train back to base

[midnight ocean]

Oh yeah that too but storage can always fill up

[feral geyser]

If you already have iron and coal nearby (which you probably do), set up a machine making resins->fabric, then make gas filters just for fun.

And of course, sink the excess.

[atomic notch]

ik u can use smart splitters and just sink the overflow

[midnight ocean]

I don't have gas masks unlocked sadly

[feral geyser]

Bro what

Do that ASAP

[midnight ocean]

Oh I've just been blowing up anything thst makes gas

[feral geyser]

Also you need radiation gear sooner or later too, and those filters are made out of gas filters.

[midnight ocean]

I am gradually working my way through the phases but just haven't quite finished them yet

[atomic notch]

theres an alt to make fabric out of resin as well you might be able to automate filters off your residuals

[feral geyser]

Gas mask is unlocked in the MAM, in the mycelia tree

So if you're just doing tiers/phases, you won't get it.

[atomic notch]

same with the fabric recipe in the mycelia tree iirc

[feral geyser]

You can (and should) get it as soon as possible.

[midnight ocean]

Oh fandom says is part of phase 5

[feral geyser]

Yuck the f word

[atomic notch]

fandom is wrong

[midnight ocean]

But i haven't even seen mycelia yet

[feral geyser]

Why the fuck would you say the f word

[atomic notch]

whoever made it is a bot

[feral geyser]

What starting spot are you in?

[midnight ocean]

Grass plains

[atomic notch]

its the mushroom stuffs

[midnight ocean]

Near the blue crater?

[feral geyser]

Oh boy... there are some caves you can go to and cut up mushrooms. Or find dead logs and cut them up.

[atomic notch]

or the pink coral stuff

[midnight ocean]

I will have to find those then

[atomic notch]

just chainsaw a bunch of random stuff u might get some mycelia

[midnight ocean]

That will probably be an eventually thing though since nobalisks are more fun than gas masks

[atomic notch]

you just need enough for the research then you can make fabric out of resin

[midnight ocean]

Oh ill pull that out of storage then

[white dawn]

Yeah, there's more stuff that'll give you mycelia than you might think; indiscriminate chainsawing is pretty likely to net you some

[silver arch]

YALL I BEAT IT

475 HOURS LATER PHASE 5 IS DOOOONEE

[wide cradle]

yo wheres the help channel

[dense violet]

most channels are help channels. Just depends what you need

[wide cradle]

wheres the help with base

[dense violet]

I don't know what you mean

[wide cradle]

with like optimization of conveyer belts?

[dense violet]

that's a very generic question

figure out how much you're trying to move, use at least enouhg belts for it

[wide cradle]

no no no

[dense violet]

if you have mk2 belts and need to move 240 items pm? you need at least 2 belts

[wide cradle]

ohhh

[dense violet]

basic maths

[wide cradle]

buti what if im merging for assembler

cause im using alternative bolted iron plates

[dense violet]

well a mk2 belt can only move 120 parts per min max. Don't put more than 120 parts per min on it

[wide cradle]

ermmmm

theres a problem then

[dense violet]

under clock the assembler

[wide cradle]

but then

aww man

to 120? nails

[dense violet]

buddy, you're in the tutorial. Just keep going forward. You'll get there

[wide cradle]

IM NOT IN THE TUTORIAL

[dense violet]

you really are

[wide cradle]

you can die man

I have 11 hours on this gamei

im a pro already

[dense violet]

tiers 1-9 are basically a long tutorial to teach you teh basics

[silk ocean]

Tier 0/1/2 are basically tutorial

[dense violet]

which is what is happening now, you're learning the basics

[wide cradle]

im on tier 3

[dense violet]

very much the tutorial. You're still learning about belt limits and clocking

keep plugging away, you'll get faster belts

faster miners, fluids, lots of new toys

[wide cradle]

so I assume im close to nuclear power

[limpid cairn]

The game begins at tier 9 imo

[dense violet]

no

[wide cradle]

how many hours if I just got coal

[silk ocean]

There is a lot of other powergen between you and nuclear

[dense violet]

depends how fast you get through the tiers and what you do

could be 10 could be 500

[limpid cairn]

[silk ocean]

I'd say game begins at 3 when you can move onto full automation... and trains along the way

I keep replying to the wrong people today lol

[limpid cairn]

Phase 3 not tier 3 I assume

[dense violet]

coal power is the end of the pre tutorial

[silk ocean]

Tier 3 isn't it

[cunning siren]

"MK.2 belt only run challenge" 😆

[limpid cairn]

Btw why aren’t you awake isn’t it 3 am for you?

[silk ocean]

Well there's no pre-defined boundary that I know of I guess xD

[silk ocean]

Yea :/ Woke up in the night

[limpid cairn]

damn same

[glad drum]

I added 11 water extractors underclocked to output 100m3/min each for my 11 wet concrete refineries... this water tower should work, right? (closer to camera) --- #screenshots message

[violet oyster]

Idea: People often mention how they cant be bothered decorating the outside of their own factorys. So; Would anyone like to take part in a "World Swap" where we log out next to one of our Exterior-sans factory and give our save to someone else. They also do the same and you decorate a factory for eachother?

[atomic notch]

Sure lol. But it prolly wouldnt be fair

Since my worl is hella scuffed

[glad drum]

Not the same, but related - I'd love the idea of "Puzzle Worlds" where you give someone a world that has X amount of things wrong (or 1 thing wrong) and see how long it takes them to fix the thing(s)

Would LOVE a community event like that

[violet oyster]

That would actually be sick, Almost like a daily challenge. If you have used chess.com they have something similar where you have to solve a game with X moves

[glad drum]

Man that'd be so cool, with a leaderboard for "how long to fix" or "least materials used" or something

It'd be especially cool to use an absolute nonsense world like mine for people to find a problem with, I feel like it'd be mental assault

[violet oyster]

I was more thinking youy have a very limited chest of resources, and your job is to solve a basic factorys output with alt recipes or smart routing to furfil X items per minute.

[glad drum]

That'd be cool too!

I was thinking "There's a power fluctuation going on SOMEWHERE, your job is to fix it... GO!" or like... "These refineries aren't working. FICSIT!"

[limpid cairn]

Idk if I’m looking at the right pipe but I believe it should work

[glad drum]

It SEEMS to be working so far but I've only got like 4 of 'em hooked up

Thank you for trying, I know it's a little bit messy beautiful

[limpid cairn]

Btw when you unlock mk6 belts will you color them pure white to make your world even harder to understand ?

[glad drum]

MAYBE. I did that in my other world so that whenever you looked at them, you'd be blinded.

So I may try something else for this one

[dense violet]

trouble with that is a huge part of doing the externals is planning the internals around it

[heavy pine]

Finally got superposition oscillators automated. Now to get working on the last of project assembly

Well, maybe tomorrow.

[mortal ginkgo]

dear sexy and kinky pioneers, am I correct about silicon high speed connector is a chungusly good recipe for making it the first time?

it reduces quickwire usage alot and in rocky desert we got lots of quartz for sillycon

lemme know if I am wrong

[dense violet]

like all recipes it depends on the situation you're in. From the sounds of it it seems like a fine solution?

[mortal ginkgo]

i got 2 pure quartz that i can reach where as one caterium pure

210/min seemed alot quickwire demand so I thought maybe its better to use alternate if I get it

[cunning siren]

Yea, I guess if you are not "taking over the planet" and Abundant Quartz vs Scarce Caterium 🤷 why not

[mortal ginkgo]

:nod:

[glad drum]

#screenshots message it does work! Water set up! 🙂

[cunning siren]

If you have all the Caterium alts AND you are "taking over the world" I would say skip it

[peak wasp]

am I doing it right?

#screenshots message

[cunning siren]

This game with a 1080 GTX + newest drivers with DX11 may not be a good combo 🤔 maybe I'll try DX12 cuz I keep crashing? 🤷 If not that then I'll revert drivers

[vestal hill]

So with this you can fine tune your export to your demand?

[vestal hill]

Absolute madlad

How do you get it so wavy

[glad drum]

Curved mode! For both pipes and conveyors. It's the new hotness

[vestal hill]

W! How long did that take, 15 hours?

[glad drum]

I will say I wish I hadn't STACKED so much, and build more horizontally cause it's sad my old stuff is getting covered up.

[glad drum]

I've AFK'd quite a bit but I'm at 130 hours in this world. Probably closer to 115 hours actually played.

[dense violet]

if you're trying to buffer fluid trains, can't tell. Can't see how it's all connected up

[vestal hill]

No just for that spaghetti piorące

Pipage

[glad drum]

Oh HAH Nah, I've gotten much better at it but it's still taken at least 2 hours to get it all set up.

[vestal hill]

Time well spent

[glad drum]

The spaghetti must be perfect - believe it or not, I actually had to do some rebuilding when it didn't spaghetti just right

[vestal hill]

lol it has to have the vibes

[glad drum]

Gotta have the vibes and be curvalicious --- #screenshots message --- I have 9 more limestone conveyors to hook up from here but it's almost midnight so I might have to leave it

[vestal hill]

Anything going on tomorrow?

[glad drum]

Well, I needed more concrete to make Heavy Modular Frames but once I have it, I'm gonna need to up my supply of Modular Frames so I guess I gotta build a whole new factory of that and then I also have to check on my Steel Pipe supply and if it's on the low, I gotta build some more of that (I have Iron Pipes now so won't be as bad)

Then I'll have to really think about it - and hope my power lasts... That'll probably be next once I'm making and sinking more of the elevator parts (I only need Golden Nut achieve)

[vestal hill]

No irl

But dang what power you running off of

Also gimme iron pipes that sounds like heaven

[peak wasp]

dropoff area for crude oil

[glad drum]

24 coal generators and 6 fuel generators along with 2 geothermal... Haven't checked my power in a hot minute so I'm not sure how bad it is.

Also yeah definitely steel pipes (w. iron pipes) I'm about 17-ish pipes short on my HMF production.

As for IRL - just work. I work from home as a radio producer so it's pretty lit... but I also have a son and he's too young to help me out on Satisfactory yet

[zenith fractal]

i mean, how young is your kid? if they can use a mouse they can help with spaghetti

[vestal hill]

That sounds pretty bad

HWF?

Ficsit does not condone inefficiency.

[glad drum]

#screenshots message --- some of my machines aren't running at 100% right now but I should be OK to make the pipes and frames before moving onto power.

I just don't LOVE making power. I like Coal well enough, and maybe Rocket Fuel is OK... I really enjoyed making Nuclear but when I hit just regular fuel or turbo fuel, I just get burnt out a bit making power plants.

Heavy Modular Frame*

Yeah but I have IRL factories to work on 😉 Gotta make money so I can make sure I buy my son a PC for Satisfactory.

I wonder if I can get aluminum up and running on that power... #screenshots message --- probably not.

[glad drum]

I gotta start heading to bed - what plans do you have for tomorrow? Hopefully it includes some Satisfactory. 😉

[vestal hill]

Ahh fair

[abstract trail]

first shit i see when i look in chat: