satisfactory

[deep pier]

I thought it was 600 but it already used that then I thought 6000 but looks like it needs way less

[feral geyser]

Okay, so 6 per, so 6,000

[deep pier]

oh ok thanks

[stray herald]

It tickles my neurons to see perfect flow

[feral geyser]

If you have rubber, hunt for that Flexible Framework recipe

[stray herald]

Are you trying to manually feed the production? 😭 I just did that for like 500 of them

[shy mulch]

You should really automate that stuff

[stray herald]

Yeah so basically I hand-did phased 1-3 because I didn't think you'd reuse assembly parts

So I had to do some messy things for phase 4

I have 0 project assembly parts automated because of this

Cooked playthrough

[shy mulch]

If you're on phase 4 now. Take your time and try to automate everything

[dense violet]

just overflow whatever beams you're making into them. much easier

and you'll need to make more for the next stage anyway

[trim kiln]

Cause I have acrylic panels for a full-acrylic pc case project I am working on. I will have some left over lol

[stiff bane]

i Built a Bridge !

[stray herald]

So as I mentioned before my biggest issue is making too few items at a big factory, then I want to cry because of that 😭

[dense violet]

you got a number of options.

it's basically impossible to future proof

[shy mulch]

Just make it in such a way that it's expandable

[cedar socket]

Oh alr

[shy mulch]

Yeah agreed. There's only so far you can go with that. I've build what I thought was my 'final factory' then ended up looking at the finished product and decided to build it all again but 5x bigger

[austere lichen]

Need 8,96 constructors? Just build 10 and underclock where needed

[deep pier]

I am kind of been struggeling with that do you know a good way to move mattriel super far away and if not then what do you think the fix is?

[austere lichen]

Make blueprint for 10 constructors, stack where needed

[feral geyser]

Trains or tractors

[trim kiln]

They weren't cheap either lol

[shy mulch]

Depends how much material per minute, and how far. There are many transport options

[feral geyser]

This, except respect the threes

[deep pier]

I don't have train and I was thinking of an automated way

[feral geyser]

Tractors can be automated

[deep pier]

OH

ight thanks

[dense violet]

a long belt? or drones are a no brainer

honestly when you're just going up the tiers just make sloppy options fast

[smoky forge]

he doesnt even have trains

[dense violet]

ah. long belts then. just slap them down

[smoky forge]

would have been also my idea honestly

i dont like to use tractors,trucks or drones because they use fuel in terms of items

the only good option is trains for me and long belts

because one uses only time to place down and the other just some MW

[dusky dagger]

Why using buildings at more than 100% while you can just use two and it consumes less ?
For example, 2 water pumps at 75% consume less than one at 150%

[smoky forge]

but i might be geting into drones because im planing to make all the plutoniom rods

[smoky forge]

i agree with construction or refining buildings

not with extractors or miners

[coral glacier]

you'll eventually need to use all of the nodes.

[stray herald]

Yeah I think my issue is doing EVERYTHING very precisely

[feral geyser]

It is nice to do when you have a target production in mind.

If you want a real fun factory to build, automate all ammo/rebar/nobelisk in one building (you can leave out nukes if you want).

[stray herald]

Most of the time I do but I had a problem where I suddenly need more than I produce

Then I just rebuild elsewhere

I think my whole approach is wrong lmao

Not 'wrong' but more inefficient

In an attempt to scale, I actually build very non-scalably

[feral geyser]

Maybe? I couldn't really say without seeing more. But there definitely is a learning phase before you fully embrace modularity.

[stray herald]

For example I calculated exact amount of resources per minute for phase 2, then the same for phase 3, rebuilding even the phase 2 stuff, then same for phase 4

[shy mulch]

In early and mid game I fully agree with you. But at late game power is really not a concern any more and the number of buildings becomes quite extraordinary. Sometimes it's just more practical to shard stuff

[feral geyser]

What is "quite extraordinary," in your mind?

[shy mulch]

Like, a 300 long manifold?

[stray herald]

wtf

[frail sleet]

why use 2 at 75% when you can use 150 at 1% and it consumes less

same reason, fewer buildings means a simpler and faster build (fewer supporting pipes, belts, power lines etc).

[feral geyser]

First of all, yuck

[stray herald]

What for?

[shy mulch]

Anything. Build big

[feral geyser]

"What to do, what to do? One $300 hooker bot, or three hundred $1 hooker bots?"

[shy mulch]

My copper powder and aluminum plants are mostly overclocked, it just becomes impractical to do things at massive scale without them looking like horrible box factories or just planes of machines on foundations

[frail sleet]

or just planes of machines on foundations
to which i hold the copyright ;D

[feral geyser]

I mean, designing and building something that works and looks good is the whole fun of the game.

[cedar socket]

hey i need small help

i have a building and i want some feedback

[shy mulch]

I agree. And I build big things. Just the thought of building the same thing but twice as big for no reason seems impractical to me

[cedar socket]

anyone wanna help?

[shy mulch]

Can't help if you don't ask a question

[feral geyser]

#screenshots and we'll give feedback here

[cedar socket]

ok

[shy mulch]

Or #1038092680493801533

[cedar socket]

i sent it

its for rocket fuel so that s why its red and yellow

[feral geyser]

Good call

look through our windows

[sterile blade]

When did you steal the copyright for lasagna from Italians?!

[cedar socket]

does glass lower fps?

[sterile blade]

More than walls, yes

[leaden turret]

prior art, copyright invalidated: https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=lasagn

[cedar socket]

so i should just leave a gap when i have to build something huger?

[shy mulch]

Technically everything lowers fps. But glass probably a 9ittle bit more than other things. How much depends on your gpu

[sterile blade]

That's a bit harder to answer...

[cedar socket]

i have a good gpu but i have to place 288 gens over clocked so i think it not worth it

[frail sleet]

That's 3d lasaga. My copyright is for 2d

[shy mulch]

Don't just put them all in a big cube. Do something interesting

[cedar socket]

its a tower

[leaden turret]

all lasagna is 3d

[feral geyser]

Lasagna is literally stacked up flat planes

[cedar socket]

next to my main base and thats the blueprint i wil use

[shy mulch]

As are tacos

[sterile blade]

How about this: make glass decor into blueprints, so if you happen to have FPS issues, you can easily dismantle it in bulk (and possibly notice how it doesn't change anything )

[frail sleet]

Yeah i don't have the stacking part 😄 so mine isn't lasaga

[cedar socket]

ill just spam it with auto connect

[feral geyser]

It is pizza

[cedar socket]

thats smart but its hard to place

easyu to remove hard to place

[frail sleet]

rectangular pizza

[shy mulch]

Easy to place with practice

[feral geyser]

Detroit style

[sterile blade]

Making good snapping points is part of blueprinting skills ^^

[cedar socket]

imma stick w no windows and if i ldomt like it ill add window blueprint since anytways thats after

[shy mulch]

But I'd still discourage the act of big boring fuel gen spamming. Don't make it all the same. Be creative with different areas of it

[frail sleet]

windows in this game unfortunately turn into a low-quality-LOD which isn't transparent at a kind of short distance, even on max graphics. I tend to build pretty big, and if i'm stood on the left side of a factory then the windows on the right side turn into a wall and it doesn't look great

[cedar socket]

how did u do it?

[sterile blade]

The thing that complicates answering your questions is: glass still hides stuff from far away as it becomes opaque; so it has potential to help with FPS when far away, but should increase the load instead when close...

[cedar socket]

ye but machines will also disappear

[frail sleet]

Not until a much, much greater distance. Like 10x further.

[cedar socket]

ill be close t all times its in my mega base

[leaden turret]

me: googles "is lasgana a sandwich?"
google: no, because pasta
galaxy brain: no, because filling on bottom layer

[shy mulch]

10x further than what? What sort of scale are we talking about here

[cedar socket]

glass opaqueness

[frail sleet]

Glass turns into a wall at a certain distance.

Machines disappear at a far larger distance

[sterile blade]

I too like Mexican pizza!

[shy mulch]

Yes I get that. I'm asking what distance. It meters

In*

[frail sleet]

It can be kilometers or not at all depending on the machine AFAIK.

but glass is only transparent if you're within maybe 160 meters?

[shy mulch]

This is relevant for people who have km scale factories

[feral geyser]

That sounds about right

[frail sleet]

Yeah, the larger buildings don't disappear completely though so it tends to look not terrible. Sinks are probably the worst because they're fairly big and at around 2km they just stop existing

[feral geyser]

Maybe up to 200

[cedar socket]

mine will be 162/2 walls talll

[sterile blade]

The effect is the same on the left too
Alright, I'll show myself out now...

[frail sleet]

prog pic https://i.imgur.com/FzIs6RL.png
https://i.imgur.com/84zMOUx.jpeg

[feral geyser]

jesus

[sterile blade]

BTW, did what did you name that clip, if you uploaded it? I can't find it

[leaden turret]

so it wasn't uploaded

[sterile blade]

😭
Would it be a hassle to add?

[leaden turret]

only in terms of brain mush. ping me later today in dms, as I have to be awake indefinitely until a package is collected.

(plus it would be weird to randomly upload 1 old video :P)

too many jasons in discord, can't ping CM when they're offline 😅

<@&370483737957236737> nobody went to Pilgor's birthday, is any other character from the exetended coffeestainverse going to the Pioneer's ?

[stray herald]

So those planets we see in the sky, do we think they have SAM on them?

[smoky forge]

we think they got more resorces for us to harness

consume

[stray herald]

Say less

[stray herald]

Sing us a song

[smoky forge]

[stray herald]

Hear me out
Somersloop ore✋🏻🤵🏻‍♀️🤚🏻

[smoky forge]

NAAAW

wait no

wouldnt work

[stray herald]

And all the belts must be S shaped

[smoky forge]

the sommersloop only has such power because of its shape

therefor a normal mine wouldnt be possible because that would be more of a cluster of that material

[stray herald]

So we can't deform it

[smoky forge]

nah i dont think so

[stray herald]

ADA is up to something sinister I just can't prove it

||She's trying to befriend the alien entity||

[smoky forge]

idk

[steady glade]

thats story spoiler territory guys @stray herald

[stray herald]

Oh. Sorry

[outer scarab]

every kid in the 90s knows the power of the Sommersloop

[coral glacier]

Maximum Drip Power

[prime jasper]

It seems that sometimes, 2 trains will want to cross at a junction at the time. And when they do, they both reserve their paths (which are crossing) with the path signal, and since both are blocked, it completely clogg my rail network.

Is this a known phenomenon? How can I fix it? Does moving away the signal can help?

When I see that happening, I can just get into a train, remove self driving for the other train to engage and then reactivate self driving.

But it imply me going there to fix it which can be annoying.

[dense violet]

Would have to see overhead images

#math-and-meta is good for that

Or #1038092680493801533

[deep pier]

is there a way to move the lizard dogs around?besides them following you

[dense violet]

jump pads

[prime jasper]

Yeet the dog 🐕

[hard ivy]

I imagine they're deadlocked for another reason. I never had issues with path signalled intersections deadlocking themselves. but then again, I haven't built trains in 1.1 yet, so maybe it's a new bug

[prime jasper]

What can deadlock a train? Considering the signals works most of the time I find it hard to explain.🤔

[pallid arrow]

#ThatFeeling when you realize every single Awesome Sink has been removed from your world due to a mod udpating.

[hard ivy]

whenever you have e red signal that won't turn green unless something else happens, but in order for that something else to happen, the signal needs to be green

[astral gyro]

Oof, that would literally kill my save as im sinking all the excess plastic and rubber rn to keep oil going lol

[pallid arrow]

Exactly what I've been doing to keep things running as well.

[hard ivy]

I recently realized that the only way to keep fuel generators running forever without sinks is to either use a nuclear plant or matrix APAs

[pallid arrow]

Coal generators 😉

[hard ivy]

How are you gonna burn plastic/rubber/resin in coal generators?

[astral gyro]

I was converting all my plastic to canisters, and then sinking the canisters, but I did make it a closed loop system where the canisters get reused now so I freed up all my plastic and now I have to sink my excess plastic until I get other production setup

[outer scarab]

I am usually so starved for resin that this will never happen to me, but yes, you should have an over flow sink

[astral gyro]

#screenshots message

[hard ivy]

Without sinks, all production not feeding generators would eventually stop

There is no way to make fuel without making resin, plastic, or rubber

Without sinks, to keep the fuel production running, you'd have to use the byproducts on something that'll also never stop: Nuclear or APMs

[outer scarab]

thats not what I said

[deep pier]

how far can transport vehicle move stuff?

[outer scarab]

all the way

belts are best though

[deep pier]

even compared to trains?

[outer scarab]

yes

trains can't move faster than a belt

[hard ivy]

Every transport method has a situation in which it is the best. Except trucks

[astral gyro]

Belts will be consistent no matter what, trains can theoretically move a lot more with a lot of cars but distance becomes the factor

Trucks are good in every situation

[outer scarab]

I run belts across the map all the time, there is no reason to run trains besides asthetics

[hard ivy]

You can very much be belt limited when setting up a train

[upper gale]

Uses less resource to cover the distance

[hard ivy]

Trains are expandable

[outer scarab]

belts dont use any power, resources are infanite

[deep pier]

so the best thing I should do for far away resources is just build a pipe/belt into a storage at base?

[outer scarab]

I do

[deep pier]

ight bet

[outer scarab]

I make busses that ship all my stuff

[hard ivy]

You can, but no, it's not the best idea

[deep pier]

why not? I hate the walk to go get them

[hard ivy]

Depot

[outer scarab]

if you can make the final product on site then ship it, it's less belts

or just use a teliporter

[deep pier]

IDK what that means sorry

[outer scarab]

he is talking about trains again

[hard ivy]

Dimensional depot. Unlocked in the MAM

[outer scarab]

you cant draw from a dimensional depot though

just personal items

[hard ivy]

And?

[outer scarab]

so it's not useful

[upper gale]

Boi

[hard ivy]

No reason to move shit across the map when you can make everything in factories scattered across the map, each using only nearby resources

[upper gale]

I've never heard someone say the depot isn't useful

[outer scarab]

unless you actually want your factory to make something

[hard ivy]

3/10 ragebait, blocked

[outer scarab]

lol

[deep pier]

LMAO what happened

[astral gyro]

He literally said he hates walking to get items, to me it sounds like a depot would be perfect

[outer scarab]

I think he means shipping items to his base

[hard ivy]

Yeah, cause he's dumb lol

[outer scarab]

there is no reason to call someone names dude

[astral gyro]

He said to storage, not to another factory build at the moment

[outer scarab]

go back to COD or something

storage at his base

[hard ivy]

You're giving newbies awful advice. Deserved

[green fiber]

Youre not always gonna be at your base

[outer scarab]

i thought you blocked me? why you talking to me?

[astral gyro]

Yeah, but also depot storage would be perfect because it would just be in your inventory

[hard ivy]

I'm never at my base

Why would I be lmao

[green fiber]

Having a "second inventory" that automatically fills up over time saves you from having to run to your storages all the time

[outer scarab]

why would you need storage though?

[green fiber]

To build stuff. You don't have infinite pockets

[outer scarab]

you replace storage with rate of items though

having 10000 iron rods on hand isnt productive

[astral gyro]

I have plates and concrete going into depot so I can build foundations when starting new factories

[outer scarab]

having 100/min is

sounds like you just need more production

[hard ivy]

You should have everything you use for building going into depots

[prime jasper]

I found the legendary negative IQ human.

[outer scarab]

lol

[frail sleet]

To an extent yes.

However if for example you're building something only 5% of the time - say spamming foundations - then a buffer would allow you to never run out while producing only 5% of the items per minute, which takes 1/20'th of the resources and time.

Buffers are trivial to produce and highly effective. Any time you're not constantly drawing your max production rate, they have value.

[outer scarab]

OK guys calm down, no reason to get mad

[hard ivy]

They've been spewing dumb shit every single time I've seen them in this server

[dense violet]

Pot

[astral gyro]

I will eventually, I only have enough mercers for 2 on concrete to double import rate, one on plates, and one on packaged fuel, ill need to go exploring for more soon

[prime jasper]

I don't think anyone is mad. We are just amazed.

[outer scarab]

You can build small buffers into your end production.

[hard ivy]

you should have that last depot on packaged liquid biofuel instead

[upper gale]

I second this

[boreal musk]

thats what storage is for, and connect the storage into depot

[frail sleet]

Yes, that is what we're talking about doing (and you said it was bad/wrong).

[outer scarab]

no we were talking about storage that wasnt hooked up to a depot

that is wrong

actually I said it wasnt productive

[frail sleet]

Sure, no reason for it not to be

[green fiber]

Do you just sit around and wait for the machine to make more stuff if you depleted their tiny inventory ?

[dim flint]

Well I'm having a weird issue. I'm producing fuel rods at 2/min and consuming them at 2/min (4 fully overclocked nuclear reactors), but they are somehow consuming more than they get...

[outer scarab]

no if you need more stuff you make more factory

[upper gale]

What if you don't have the stuff to make factory

[outer scarab]

if you run out of stuff just make more of it

thats called the start of the game

if you are hand crafting anything after 1 hour into the game you are doing it wrong

[upper gale]

In your playstyle, the save would take forever to progress until later stages

There's also milestones

That take stacks of resources

[hard ivy]

1. Are you actually producing them at 2/min, or just built production for 2/min that may or may not be working at full speed?
2. Did you load balance or manifold the reactors? Manifolded reactors will need a while to fill and not run at full output until that happens?

[dim flint]

Nothing wrong with spinning up some concrete and letting it fill up a container while you eat dinner.

[boreal musk]

so you prefer to only have 100 reinforced iron plates in small buffer than 2400 of them in container when you want to build machines that use them?

[outer scarab]

Depends, does that 100 refill fast?

[green fiber]

If you only make 100/min, that's still a minute

[upper gale]

Nah he is a robot that "just make more factory" even when he doesn't have the materials to build another yet

[outer scarab]

ok then make 1000/min

[astral gyro]

Bad take, sometimes handcrafting a set of items to unlock like better belts before you start the factories you need for the new items for the tier is a good way to set up a more productive factory for said parts

[dim flint]

1. I didn't see the producing machine idle at all, and they were at saturation.
2. Yes, 1 splitter into 2 splitters to the 4 reactors.

[green fiber]

Sounds like you just really hate having materials for building at hand

[upper gale]

If "if you're homeless just buy a house" was a person

[dim flint]

let me go double check idling...

[outer scarab]

there is no reason to have boxes and boxes of items is the point, dont keep moving the goal post

[boreal musk]

from every player ive seen that play satisfactory this is the first time i saw someone saying buffer for build gun material isnt needed

[hard ivy]

the math is correct. 4 reactors at 250% consume UFRs at 2/min

[dim flint]

I generally agree with you. Except you should have at least a single box somewhere for each good.

[atomic notch]

I got hella storage

We love storing stuff

[green fiber]

You nees materials for building machines. Blueprints chug materials fast

[dim flint]

One of my firends would put them in everywhere while building thinking it helped him think... just made more shit.

[outer scarab]

so when you run out, do you have to walk back to get more then?

[cunning siren]

Needed no, wanted yes 🤷

[dim flint]

I know, because it works fine for my smaller 2 reactor first build.

[prime jasper]

It is not about needing more stuff. You have the stuff.

But you need accessible. There is no point in having 100000 of a ressource at the other end of the map, with the depot you have them everywhere, anytime.

[outer scarab]

thats not even close to what I said

[upper gale]

Bro has never played early game or mid game. Probably only has played with no cost build on

[boreal musk]

lets say youre building converter, that shit use 100 fluctuator each machine, and fluctuator only stack at 100

so you want to wait every x min to place one converter? lmao

[outer scarab]

i am saying you need a high rate of items going into your depot vs having static storage of items in boxes

[prime jasper]

It is litteraly your message I cited

[outer scarab]

its not

[atomic notch]

#off-topic-media message yall rn

[prime jasper]

I don't think anyone ever mentioned having a static storage of item in boxes there?

[outer scarab]

thats literally the argument that started this

[smoky forge]

lol

[outer scarab]

dude didnt want to truck all items to his base each time he ran out

[prime jasper]

It is about satisfactory lmao

[hard ivy]

me rn: 🍿

[smoky forge]

no click on the link

[dim flint]

@hard ivy yea, no idling. So weird.

[green fiber]

Yes. And by your method, youd run back, grab something and then have to run around collecting all materials because unless you collect the 1000/min materials in at least ONE container, you cannot grab materials very fast

And thats ALL we were talking about

Storage is fed by factories.
Nobody makes storages that run out

[smoky forge]

same lol

[dim flint]

It's a really long belt. but that shouldn't matter.

[outer scarab]

no by my method you would wait 10 sec and have all your items again

[astral gyro]

You can upgrade the storage #1, thats a late game part so you would have had time to do that by then. #2, having excess outside of the limited inventory is an added benefit of being able to have a whole stack of material of said machine at a base depot

[cunning siren]

Is the GG wiki the "good" wiki still?

[atomic notch]

When i run out i light a smoke and wait for it to refill

[green fiber]

yes

[smoky forge]

or just connect multiple depos to one item

[hard ivy]

I blocked them so I don't see any of the dumb shit, only the responses of half a dozen people tearing their hair out. absolute cinema

[smoky forge]

so your upload speed is 1200 per minute or more if you'd like

[outer scarab]

yah thats generally what you do to speed up rate of items

[smoky forge]

LOL

[green fiber]

Your method makes it seem like you just run up to your machines and grab materials out from them directly

[hard ivy]

what uptime are the reactors running at?

[boreal musk]

thats why buffer is important, when youre not using them, they will backed up in container so you wont have any shortage when building in large amount

[outer scarab]

tf you talking about?

[smoky forge]

i actualy dont have this problem at all, i can upload 300k items at a time

[boreal musk]

its literally so simple, how can someone not understand this

[outer scarab]

we are talking about having multipul depots with high rate of deposit vs having large static storage. THATS IT.... stop changing things

[astral gyro]

Yeah all my building materials have industrial storage before the depot, and are all backed up now

[outer scarab]

as you should

[smoky forge]

this is actualy so funny arguing

[dim flint]

They are mostly on. A single reactor of the 4 goes down for maybe 20 seconds. Occasionally two overlap and go down together.

[astral gyro]

The large static storage you have to run back to, the depots you dont, so again it really depends on where you are in the world which is better

[prime jasper]

I think his secret is that he is really bad at understanding what other says so he really answer inadequately every time.

[outer scarab]

right and if you ever run out and have to run back to get more, let me know how that goes for you and if you find that enjoyable

[astral gyro]

Your way you would have to run back every time no matter what

[prime jasper]

It's like he decided to prove me right straightaway

[upper gale]

I blocked him too, and chat is looking much better now

[astral gyro]

I dont understand what you are arguing for

[prime jasper]

He just deleted his last message lol

[boreal musk]

its literally just production > buffer > depot

[outer scarab]

i think everyone is arguing the same point now and the people who wanted large static storage arent arguing in favor of it anymore

[prime jasper]

No one ever did and you are just imagining things

[astral gyro]

You have said depots are useless, most other people including the people talking about having static storage are disagreeing with you

[outer scarab]

i never said that

i said static storage is useless

[prime jasper]

Yes you did

[outer scarab]

no

[prime jasper]

Like 10mins ago

[outer scarab]

quote it

[dim flint]

Classic internet arguement.

[prime jasper]

"you can't draw items from depots"

So they aren't useful

[outer scarab]

that was in referance to shipping vs trains and belts

[hard ivy]

yeah, no clue what else I can say. check your math that you're actually making 2/min? but like. idling for 20 seconds every 2 minutes suggests 1.7 rods/min

[outer scarab]

manually unloading items from your inv to your factory is dumb af

[astral gyro]

Its not useful is the same as useless

[smoky forge]

yk what else is dum?

[outer scarab]

you are taking this out of context

[smoky forge]

arguing with people, when you could just play the game

[dim flint]

same lol. I'm watching the fuel rods be produced by manufacturers which are OC 250% each claiming 1 per minute. They never go idle.

[astral gyro]

Which they said they hated running to their factories to grab items not to set up new production

[outer scarab]

I was helping a guy with a question

[smoky forge]

you are no diffrent

[astral gyro]

Power went out, I have nothing better to do

[outer scarab]

sounds like a skill issue

[smoky forge]

i am literaly sitting in my car in the woods right now, and do i argue?

[atomic notch]

Bruh

[astral gyro]

Calling people out for arguing is literally the same thing, you could go play the game aswell

[dim flint]

LOL, god damn it. I knew I was being dumb. One of the machines was at 200% >.<

I need to trust this game more.

[outer scarab]

he is saying he cant play his game b/c he didnt pay his power bills

[cunning siren]

"straight conveyor belt build mode" Woh... this is new to me

[smoky forge]

yeah just stop

[outer scarab]

yah its great

[smoky forge]

you are geting nowhere

[outer scarab]

i wasnt going anywhere

[astral gyro]

Tbh that last message was a joke math, sorry man, I did get frustrated a bit though lol but I guess it was miscommunication

[dim flint]

Anyway, back to modeler, my new obsession.

[astral gyro]

Oop power back

[dim flint]

Thanks for your patience.

[smoky forge]

np, but still i just said i was in the woods lol 😂

but all good

[astral gyro]

I like the woods, the other day on my way home from a site visit I just dipped into the Ocala national forest for fun lol

[outer scarab]

cool but you are off topic

[shy fog]

well if we need to drag back to topic of satisfactory I shall suffice. I must (finally) build phase 4 construction

[cunning siren]

Oh shit... Priority Merger, helllll yea

[fluid sapphire]

Not just that, with the 1.1 update it was added for pipes too

And blueprint auto-connect, vertical nudge, all fantastic features

[cunning siren]

Wuuuut!

Wow... so they started to embrace blueprints?!?!?

That is very new

[fluid sapphire]

Blueprints were good already, but auto connect makes it next level

[shy fog]

I have so much to figure out...

[astral gyro]

Straight pipes kindof just bug sometimes, but the belts are fantastic

[outer scarab]

honestly the biggest supprise was the wall holes

needed wall holes for years

[fluid sapphire]

Truly long overdue

[outer scarab]

did they ever fix the issue with belts not connecting with blueprints?

[cunning siren]

Last I played, the dynamic occlusion system didn't really work so walls were for looks only

[fluid sapphire]

Idk what you're talking about, I have had no issues with that since 1.1 stable

[outer scarab]

so like if you want to make a 5x5 foundation bus with wall holes on one end and belts through the middle, if you put them down with a blueprint end to end, they would look right but the items on the belt would stop at the end of the blue print

[boreal musk]

did you use auto connect mode?

[outer scarab]

yes?

[cunning siren]

Conveyor lifts got buffs too! Niiiice

[boreal musk]

i never have issue with auto connect in blueprint

nor find any bugs with it

[fluid sapphire]

Hard to say without seeing the print

[outer scarab]

i mean i can try it again and check but I quit last time because it was broken

[shy fog]

when did you stop?

[prime jasper]

I think auto connect only connect the conveyers together, but do not connect some holes (like the hole wall for exemple).

[outer scarab]

probably 1.0

[shy fog]

then yeah... 1.1 fixed a bunch

[cunning siren]

This game got a lot easier than before 🤔

[astral gyro]

Splitters and mergers can snap directly on lifts and the roof as well now

[fluid sapphire]

Auto connect wasn't added until 1.1 in June

[cunning siren]

I took a break from playing ~9 months ago it seems

[fluid sapphire]

Fr, there were a lot of quality of life features still missing from the 1.0 release

Infinite nudge, vertical nudge... I stopped playing when I got to aluminum, because I had to build rail and it was so annoying to do it

[frail sleet]

Much of this stuff came almost a year ago

[fluid sapphire]

None of the stuff I mentioned

[shy fog]

eh, I'm not building rail, I'm building "I'm an idiot doing most of everything by hand"

[cunning siren]

Trains are kind of odd last I remember. They seem to be almost optional 🤷

[shy fog]

if I can bench press it, It's getting bench pressed 🙂

[frail sleet]

talking about this, straight belts etc. It was added last september in the big 1.0

[fluid sapphire]

Trains are literally the best thing for long distance logistics

[frail sleet]

belts are better in basically every way except asthetics

[fluid sapphire]

You are out of your mind

A single 2 way rail can carry much more than a few belts can, and you can reuse it

[outer scarab]

nope it still broken

[cunning siren]

Not all the time and why does one need long distance logistics? Seems not very necessary and avoidable

[outer scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/932761153703149659/1413877316374757406/image.png?ex=68bd875c&is=68bc35dc&hm=34f1ed813068ef6691edfc885f1560cb3f236ca43220342f5ca49a14899fe87e&

[frail sleet]

but a train station is 3 foundations wide and 2 tall, you can fit 48 belts in that, not 2

[outer scarab]

anyone know a way to fix this? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/932761153703149659/1413877316374757406/image.png?ex=68bd875c&is=68bc35dc&hm=34f1ed813068ef6691edfc885f1560cb3f236ca43220342f5ca49a14899fe87e&

[fluid sapphire]

Yeah and every time you need to transport anything new you need to add more belts

It's much easier to build and manage 2 rails across the map than strips of 48 conveyors

[frail sleet]

fair, i was just looking at it from the POV of already knowing what you want to move and where you want to move it

[cunning siren]

If belts were not so upgradeable maybe trains would be more useful 🤔

[fluid sapphire]

That's the benefit of rail, move whatever you want, wherever you want, however much you want, without having to plan ahead for it

Bro trains are very useful

[cunning siren]

In some situations sure

[outer scarab]

i dont like trains, the input/output is still slower than belt speed

[cunning siren]

I can guess most situations they are handy are "sandbox mode" playthroughs

[fluid sapphire]

That's patently false, rail can handle much more throughput with much less effort

[hard ivy]

a rail can move up to 4k stacks/min

[outer scarab]

its not b/c you have to use belts to load and unload

so you are still limited by belt

the real question is, does a bus of equal transportation take up more or less CPU than a train

[fluid sapphire]

For example: I make aluminum in a central location and transport it to multiple locations. Some of the aluminum I process locally, make heatsinks and transport those. I also plan to make circuit boards in one spot and transport them to a different spot to make high speed connectors. I couldn't make all of these products in any considerable quantity if I tried to belt all the raw materials from a small area

[frail sleet]

it was more like 100k items/min when i mathed recently, but that was conservative

[hard ivy]

items/min depends on stack size

[fluid sapphire]

You build a lot of platforms, each of those has 2 belts, bam, massive throughput

[frail sleet]

Yeah but 50k stacks per min would be 5 million ore per minute. It clearly can't do that, would require the track to always have a train passing over it at something like 5000 kph.

[hard ivy]

true, I'm probably misremembering it. I'll do the math again ig

[compact plaza]

guys how can i make my already awful spaghetti even worse

[outer scarab]

you could literally just build another belt and increase more throughput though

[outer scarab]

let people from LFG join your game

[fluid sapphire]

Or you could have one rail system and not have to worry about hundreds of belts all over the map

[outer scarab]

one rail wouldnt be able to hand that

[hard ivy]

oh, yeah, it's 4k stacks/min lmao

[fluid sapphire]

One rail system with some shortcuts and side paths can handle more than any normal person possibly needs

[outer scarab]

have you seen mega bases? they dont use "one rail system"

[fluid sapphire]

I am talking about normal use

You can make exceptions for any madman practice

[cunning siren]

I've only seen one megabase and the player used 0 trains 😆

[outer scarab]

you dont even need to leave the area you are in to finish the game, what do you need trains for then?

[compact plaza]

I need to make my spaghetti somewhat close to how awful let's game it out spaghetti was

[outer scarab]

ok then do that

[fluid sapphire]

This is the same argument as you can finish the game just using biomass burners, sure, you can, but it's dumb

[outer scarab]

its not the same argument

[fluid sapphire]

You can finish the game with any arbitrary restriction

[outer scarab]

everything you need is within 2000m of any place you are

[cunning siren]

Yea resources are crazy ample in this game

[outer scarab]

the only reason to use a train is to ship large distances

[fluid sapphire]

OK, well I'm not building 2km belts

[outer scarab]

the only reason to go large distances is because you are already using the nodes near you

you just like trains, its fine you can like trains, you can make a train go back and forth between everything 100m apart if you want to

doesnt make them good

[fluid sapphire]

Lol OK

[shy fog]

at one point in time I used only trucks...

[cunning siren]

What was that like?

[shy fog]

surfing was fun until I got ejected

[outer scarab]

at one point i made a truck depot for the fiscit carts because they can carry 1 item and dont require fuel

and I had 100 of them moving items

[shy fog]

didn't have a parachute, or a jetpack, or a hoverpack

[outer scarab]

not because it was good but b/c it was funny

[fluid sapphire]

I'm trying to imagine the insanity it would have been to build 4500 aluminum ingot/min and just transporting all the material by belts, it's truly hilarious

[outer scarab]

you... you dont

you make the item on site then ship the final product

[shy fog]

might be better to see for yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkA-hzzBMmI

[outer scarab]

I think i had 2 belts leaving my aluminum plant

[shy fog]

positive: trucks got to destination!
negative: yeet the pioneer

[fluid sapphire]

Nah, I wasn't gonna make 7 separate aluminum factories

[frail sleet]

makes more sense 😄

What train speed did you assume though. IIRC that would still result in a speed of over 100kph at your slowest section.

[hard ivy]

120km/h

[frail sleet]

I've never built a track capable of doing 120km/h at its slowest section

[hard ivy]

well, I'm talking about the theoretical throughput of a single flat, straight rail

[outer scarab]

can trains travel under water?

[fluid sapphire]

Yes

[outer scarab]

I use to drive under water that was fun

[frail sleet]

Ok so that is a peak throughput

the reality is likely to be substantially less as trains take some time to accelerate and decellerate with practical stations, so like 2k stacks per min

[outer scarab]

is there a mod cleaning up the chat or something?

I really enjoy the environment, but really there is no good places to just build on flat areas that isnt in the sky :/

[fluid sapphire]

Design around the terrain

Flat areas are boring

[outer scarab]

Wish i could

[fluid sapphire]

Or just go above ground enough to not hit snags and build supports to the ground

Sky platform isn't the only option

[outer scarab]

i know you can but dont have the ability

[shrewd palm]

just pave over the ground and then try not to clip into any other terrain pieces

[outer scarab]

how is that different?

[shrewd palm]

what exactly is the problem you have

[atomic notch]

U can build under the map

[astral gyro]

Trains for long distance, trucks/tractors for the last bit

[outer scarab]

I am not good at building with nature

all my bases end up in the sky

Maybe I can build an underworld part of my base, idk

[clear wadi]

oh no

[outer scarab]

?

[clear wadi]

i didnt calculate the amount of refinery i need for turbo fuel

[outer scarab]

ok well you should do that then

[fluid sapphire]

I'm not either, I just do this, it's not perfect but it works #screenshots message

[fossil radish]

Hello, does the game "end" after i send my final elevator parts or can I keep playing the same save? I'm sitting on a stockpile of parts I'm afraid to send up.

[shrewd palm]

you can keep playing

[fossil radish]

TY

[unkempt blade]

You can keep playing but this is also a critical game design flaw. What it should actually do is suck your entire reality into the wormhole and force you to restart in a mirror universe

that would be a way more epic finale

[manic topaz]

I need to play sf again

a friend started playing it and i watched him progress
I forgot how fun it was

[unkempt blade]

your friend sounds awesome, I bet they use tons of factory carts

[manic topaz]

he was tier 4 last time I checked
hes new

also what's a factory cart :clueless:

[unkempt blade]

They're the best vehicle in the game because they're the most adorable. You get them from the awesome shop

[manic topaz]

oh wait the ficsit cart?

yeah that one

I forgot what they were called ngl

i thought you were talking about them adding a new minecart in 1.0 or something

[unkempt blade]

yeah no new vehicles recently as far as I know

[shrewd palm]

some sort of flyable drone would be cool

[unkempt blade]

like a flyctory cart?

[shrewd palm]

perhaps

[shy fog]

get to the choppa

[manic topaz]

pulse nobelisk plus a factory cart

that's all you need to fly

[unkempt blade]

they fly pretty well if you drive them over jump pads too

[shy fog]

I prefer my flight the classical way... 10 hypertube entrances

[hard ivy]

only 10?

[eager siren]

just 10? I thought 17 was the magic number?

[shrewd palm]

i think 15 gets you across the map right

[unkempt blade]

more is always better, gotta maximize flight distance

just pull your parachute if you overdo it

[shy fog]

who said anything about a parachute?

land in water

or on a space tick, which is funnier

[astral mica]

hi there is still no way to turn off grass completely?

[next umbra]

Shhhh you’re ruining my immersion

[true mulch]

What for?

There might be a way to tune it down with graphics settings, idk if you can turn it off fully

[unkempt blade]

ideally you don't touch the keyboard and land in exactly the same spot every time so you can put down a jello pad

[astral mica]

for having no grass, higher performance

[unkempt blade]

but if we're maximizing cannon distance...

[astral mica]

yeah grass density 0 almost gets rid of it, but there is still a lot on big rock formations for some reason

[dim flint]

Oh god, I tried to make a hypertube cannon, and the branch didn't work and now I'm stuck in the loop forever!

[zenith pecan]

Log out and reload, it'll drop you nearby the cannon loop instead of being trapped within it (ofc save to a new slot first)

[dim flint]

Yep

Pioneers should really carry an escape knife.

[zenith pecan]

I haven't messed with cannons in ages tbh, I used to have an entire area dedicated to experiments which have had some hilarious effects: here's an example #satisfactory-experimental message 🤣

[dim flint]

I do feel like it shouldn't be possible to get stuck in a loop. The game could detect this. But hypertubes are kinda comical already, so I'm not to upset.

[zenith pecan]

When I get back into the game, (currently taking a break) my first task is build a new concrete facility to feed my depots, then look again at transport 🙂

[dim flint]

I think part of my issue is having entrances so close together makes it hard to have time to press E.

[zenith pecan]

While I'm not overly fond of some developments that have impacted cannons, not needing to build a brake at the end of an accelerator to solve physics breakdowns was a good addition.

And by physics failure, here's an example of what used to happen #satisfactory-experimental message (old vid but still comical)

[dim flint]

haha, classic collision problem.

[zenith pecan]

Yeah, flying through two walls and a causeway before being yeeted so far out of bounds.

[dim flint]

I really wish they would just accept cannons and make a dedicated accelerator.

[zenith pecan]

This is how I fixed the physics #satisfactory-experimental message , ofc before the devs actually fixed physics 😄

[dim flint]

The whole issue I'm having is that my accelerator array breaks the loop logic and makes it hard to eject.

So the idea behind a brake in the old builds was to put an entrance at the end to "line up" the output calculations or something?

[honest summit]

im new to the game and im trying to make like a big square area in the sky which is supposed to be my main factory and im setting up the iron setup and im just wondering is there a way to make it infinitely expanding, like right now i think either the conveyor speed or something would stop it, im kinda confused on how i should expand, could someone share a image of their type of thing

[cunning siren]

Last I checked hypertube cannons were the fastest way to travel 🤔 besides portals of course

[dim flint]

Conveyor speed isn't effected by distance.

[dim flint]

But eventually you'll want to build trains and drones instead of belts everywhere (probably).

[dim flint]

As for modular design, it's sorta a matter of style and preference. If you want to be most modular, build with blueprints in ways that tile in 3D.

[zenith pecan]

Yeah, the brake involved resetting your speed to 1x by leaving an entrance before entering another and then your speed was cut to a non accelerated speed so you didn't smash through walls and/or the landscape, strictly unneeded now but it was a fix at the time.

[dim flint]

I don't generally do that as much as I should tho.

[limpid cairn]

like the visual grass not the collectables ?

im pretty sure you can set foliage to 0 and it should go away

[astral mica]

not all goes away but thanks, im not planning to play it after 20mins i remembered why i dropped it last time

[unkempt blade]

yeah! and factory carts!

[limpid cairn]

mind if i ask why you hate grass that much?

[zenith pecan]

The grass in this game has some serious properties that would make engineers drool, #screenshots message the grass always survives even when the trees die to 40 nuclear devices.

[cunning siren]

Belts upgrade to insane degrees so you can make looooong manifolds to expand certain builds. Not infinitely BUT you can stack them vertically too so... basically infinitely

[dim flint]

Wait... you can automate factory carts?!

[astral mica]

i don't hate grass, it just affects performance when a lot of it is on screen but its not the reason i wont play, i dont want to invite arguments i just said that so people don't try to help with the issue

[dim flint]

Holy shit, they should add bots which can carry and hand load machines!

That would actually be amazing.

[limpid cairn]

like drones in factorio...?

[dim flint]

Sorta...

[limpid cairn]

i wonder if you can replace every model in the game with a factory cart model

[cunning siren]

Factorio is a good game, just play that? 🤷

[astral mica]

is bot mall possible in satisfactory? never got to bots

[unkempt blade]

that sounds brilliant if you can

[dim flint]

there aren't bots.

[zenith pecan]

There are plenty of those in the youtube comments 😛

[cunning siren]

No but you can use a bus design to essentially make a mall like Factiorio

[dim flint]

lolol the factory cart has a siren

[astral mica]

belt mall is hell compared to automated bot mall, but i see what you mean

[cunning siren]

Yea... would be great but no "bots" in this game

[unkempt blade]

I have screenshots for the conveyors in one of my old malls it seems #screenshots message

[astral mica]

ill read up on what drone actually is

[cunning siren]

Drone is like a sky truck

[dim flint]

Drones are much more limited than I would like.

They really need multi-hop routes to be great.

[astral mica]

so they are basically an air belt, no logistics

[dim flint]

Well other than that you have to fuel them.

Which requires it's own form of logistics.

[astral gyro]

Satisfactory is a game i bought around 0.6 that I spent too long figuring out to refund, that I came back to when 1.1 came out and have 40 hours in my current world

[cunning siren]

There is an option to turn that off now right?

[dim flint]

I had drones carrying batteries to each drone hub I made.

[dim flint]

Only with fuel rods AFAIK.

[fluid sapphire]

No, it's an AGS setting

I think

[dim flint]

Oh. That's wild.

Trivializes them a lot.

[cunning siren]

Yea, it makes it easy mode for noobs probably

[dim flint]

I'm always forgetting I need to make enough batteries.

[cunning siren]

Fule is not fun and fuel logistics is even less fun IMO

[dim flint]

Very happy to be using trains more, and still thinking through what I might want to do over very long distances with drones other than urnanium.

[astral gyro]

I had fun with it

[unkempt blade]

I always thought vehicles with a charging time/additional power cost instead of a fuel cost would be an interesting alternative choice

[cunning siren]

Yea it's not that difficult once one learns how to use drones

[dim flint]

you mean trains?

[astral gyro]

I dont even have trains yet lol

[unkempt blade]

yeah but for truckstop and drone equivalents

[fluid sapphire]

Just use factory carts, they don't need fuel or electricity

[dim flint]

Flintstone mobiles.

[unkempt blade]

technically they need electricity because the truckstop does but the vehicle itself doesn't

[dim flint]

Is that a viable way to tranfer low rate parts over long distances?

[cunning siren]

I like the biofuel stuff and the jetpack fuel but vehicle fuel is a pain in the ass sometimes

[unkempt blade]

yeah, just add more carts to the route if your throughput isn't doing it for you

the annoying part is recording the long route

[dim flint]

The do the same anti pathfinding failure stuff as regular trucks?

[astral gyro]

#screenshots message

[unkempt blade]

yep same recording stuff

[astral gyro]

Oh im consuming all my fuel in gens rn, I use coal for my trucks and tractors

[fluid sapphire]

I just siphon 300 RF from my power plant, I expect that should power a decent amount of drones

[dim flint]

same

[cunning siren]

Oh, I've never used trucks or tractors 🤔 belts are so handy and upgradable

[unkempt blade]

there's nothing wrong with using belts but I like seeing all the vehicles driving around because it makes my factory feel a lot more alive

[cunning siren]

I'm on 🥔 hardware so... I gotta do what I can to keep mah FPS

[fluid sapphire]

It's the same for drones and trains, the world is a lot more alive

Having a ton of belts is actually worse for your FPS than using vehicles

[cunning siren]

You got a link for this data?

[fluid sapphire]

My data is my aluminum factory with dozens of kilometers of belts and my low framerate

Belts, items on belts is a lot more computationally intensive than using trains for example, to transport equivalent amounts

[dim flint]

Gah! Why does every stop of an evevator need it's own power. That's so silly.

[fluid sapphire]

It doesn't?

[dim flint]

Oh

Whew

[lunar jasper]

where do i find advanced train settings

like loading and docking settings

[smoky forge]

settings?

[smoky forge]

thats at the platform

[lunar jasper]

idk how to call it

[astral gyro]

In the train station no?

[lunar jasper]

where? in the station?M

[true mulch]

Could just be a part of the mesh itself

[lunar jasper]

i cannot find it

[wicked nacelle]

It’s in the timetable settings of the train

[neon summit]

Is anyone else having problems with wasteshielding plus?

[fluid sapphire]

Drive the train, press Q? - Edit timetable

[wicked nacelle]

Hover the station and a gear will show up

[lunar jasper]

aaah thank you

[clear wadi]

i almost finish building my power grit and now i finally realise that i dont have mk5 belt XD

[split pewter]

issue?

[dim flint]

damn, no number icons for evevator buttons 🙁

[clear wadi]

i cant over clock miner to 600

[split pewter]

so unlock mk5 belts and set up some aluminum sheets to the dd

[wicked nacelle]

Just think of it as an added benefit of getting that upgrade 🙂

[clear wadi]

with 1k power =))

no

half of 1k power

[split pewter]

500 mw?

[clear wadi]

well

i wont have enough power to kickstart these powerplant anyway

oh wait

i can still use fuel from diluted fuel

[limpid cairn]

how do you fix trains bugging under the map?

restarting the game right?

[rigid mist]

why does this game crash pretty much daily

[hollow halo]

Managed to surprise people by not having a single storage unit…

[honest ridge]

what does production and consumpsion mean, i thought it was kinda obvious but mine are exactly the same number

[spice patio]

Production is how much electricity you are currently producing.
Max Production is how much you could produce, if needed.
Consumption is the current electricity usage.
Max Consumption is the max electricity usage if all machines etc. were pulling all they could at same time.

[fluid sapphire]

Them being the same number is explained by biomass burners, they burn only as much as they need to

[slender quest]

Biomass burners produce as much power as you need until they are capped out (30 MW each).

Other power stations produce constant power though, as much as you under/overclock them, as long as they have resources to consume.

[smoky nimbus]

whats the maximum amount of equipment slots you can get?

[smoky nimbus]

batteries

[vestal quest]

Has anyone here ever played any of the games in the Starsiege: Tribes series? When I've got the jetpack and explosive rebar, it feels very similar to spinfusor combat, and I wonder if others have the same feeling. Makes me wonder if someone on the team who designed the movement and combat for this game might have been influenced by Tribes, hahah. Combine all that with crouch-jumping and you even have the classic Tribes skiing as well (though it can't be done uphill like in Tribes)

[distant pulsar]

With the introduction of dimensional depot it's effectively a solved problem

[smoky nimbus]

equipment slots, not inventory slots.

or hand slots

[distant pulsar]

ohh sorry

I think it's like 5

The wiki should have the info

[smoky nimbus]

i have 6 currently

[eager siren]

Tribes was a fantastic game.

[prime jasper]

What do you think about delivering batteries by drones for supplying other drone stations?

Does it get too complicated? Would you consume to much batteries to bring the batteries on site?

[vestal quest]

Yeah. It's really too bad Tribes 3 was such a flop. I played it competitively for a couple months before they basically panned it. Satisfactory's movement is like, just a couple of small physics tweaks away from feeling just like T3, hahah. I love exploring and fighting in Satisfactory almost more than I love building because of that

[true mulch]

That's what I always do. And how would it be any complicated? Is there anything simpler that point to point item transport?

Drones are by far the easiest way to haul items long distance provided they can handle the volume

[nimble delta]

sitting here and doing a satisfactory prop irl and man the power shard is very black shaded like wow i am taking some liberties here cause man that got a little too dark

[gray ferry]

how do u unlock turbo/rocket fuel?

[grand temple]

what color swatch is pattern colors?

[vestal quest]

In the MAM under Sulfur, the right side of the tree. You'll need access to sulfur, coal and oil, all told. You have to unlock Compacted Coal first, then the turbofuel - both upgrades require a hard drive as part of the cost

[grand temple]

Sulfur research tree in the mam

[small notch]

just unlocked oil power anyone know best spots for oil power setup

[rigid glen]

west coast if you're close, crater lake has some, oil is all around for the most part

I like to make a fuel power depot on the west coast, build over sand and and water

[small notch]

alr thanks

[smoky nimbus]

just now getting into trains while I set up my main base, I want a couple trains to go get all the iron, copper, etc. in the area. if i wanted to reserve a car per node/stop, would I just put empty platforms where the other cars from other nodes would be?

[smoky nimbus]

would highly recommend blue crater lake

[rigid glen]

It's a very useful area, but will take some stealth and combat to clear the area lol it's an advanced biome imo

lots of resources to use

[smoky nimbus]

eh, i cleared it out with just the basic rebar gun with iron rebar

I make my computers, high speed connecters, power & weapons at blue crater

[rigid glen]

It's just a lot if you havent dealt with the number of beasties before

[plain gate]

just make more trains

[smoky nimbus]

wdym?

[rigid glen]

I just remember my first trip through, I kep trying to rest and would get bit

[plain gate]

dont make long trains

oh i misread, but you should have one train per resource, dont mix cars

[smoky nimbus]

yeah, thats what I'm doing

i wanna do one train per resource and have one car per stop

[steel wren]

hello

i have question about a item i have power and its yellow but it wont turn on what im i doing wrong

[smoky nimbus]

either the output is full, or you aren't inputting enough items

[steel wren]

it wont output

[smoky nimbus]

send a screenshot in #screenshots

[plain gate]

one car isn't enough for a group of nodes

depends on distance ig

[smoky nimbus]

gonna do my base in the north coast

[plain gate]

where are the nodes you're picking up then

[smoky nimbus]

not far

1km max probably

[plain gate]

that distance on a train is kinda pointless

[unkempt blade]

and you're moving ore and not manufactured stuff?

[smoky nimbus]

yeah

[clear wadi]

welp there goes my whole 2 week power plant

[smoky nimbus]

ill probably refine it onsite though

[clear wadi]

i planed to power up 250 generator

now i have 24

[unkempt blade]

the general advice is going to be that you should try to manufacture stuff near the node if possible and then transport the manufactured stuff (it's usually fewer items to move)

[smoky nimbus]

i'm doing a big city-like build at the coast, so i'd rather keep everything thats going to be refined there

[unkempt blade]

whatever is fun for you! That's going to be a lot of trains which is good because trains are awesome

[smoky nimbus]

real

[atomic notch]

i dreamed about piplines last night lol

[unkempt blade]

that means you need to go for a walk outside... and then get back to work adding more pipes!

[clear wadi]

thx god my 24 generator only need 1

the belts movements look so cool #screenshots

ok next on the list gonna be computer

[surreal meteor]

My main problem is the belt clipping monstrosity in the back. Is the any way to organize them better?

[unkempt blade]

stackable conveyor poles, probably on a foundation

[stray herald]

Yes!
For a start you can use stackable conveyor supports, they're in the logistics section of the build menu.
If you have the AWESOME sink and shop unlocked (it's a Hub milestone), you can buy many more organization tools such as floor and wall holes as well as wall and ceiling mounts

Also press R when building conveyor belts to switch to straight or curved modes

[surreal meteor]

If I switch to straight mode it curves away from the container first

[stray herald]

💯
You can organize belts cleanly on top of foundations (I think 4 or 5 belts side by side)

[steel wren]

hhow do i make coal

[hard ivy]

mine it

[feral geyser]

charcoal

[stray herald]

You can decide the curve by switching the starting point. If you aim from the container to the belt, it makes a different curve than If you clicked the belt first

[unkempt blade]

well you take dead trees and animals and you throw them in a swamp then you cover them in a whole bunch of dirt and rocks and leave it there for a long time

[surreal meteor]

I've been thinking about a more compact factory layout, where machines making the same item are placed ON TOP of each other and connected using lifts and splitters. Then, we can hook up these "towers" with each other to build a full factory.

[lone adder]

is there a tool that can locate for you items such as sommersloops that are left in containers and used in buildings using just your save file?

[hard ivy]

SCIM can help

[lone adder]

is there a feature that can allow you to search for specific items in all buildings and containers? that would be so helpful

i can't help but feel like i misplaced like 20 sommersloops but maybe it was a player who kept it on them

[hard ivy]

not exactly. you can deconstruct a group of machines, and see if the decon crate contains sloops

[atomic notch]

dude i been sprayin all week i think i wlaked around outside more than yall

[unkempt blade]

well in that case get back to work adding pipes!

[atomic notch]

i been buildin all the stuff still gotto finish the stuff for ficsonium fuel rods then ill know how much water i need

[unkempt blade]

All of it. All of the water

[atomic notch]

then i can build the big pipeline

i gotta make the singularity cells first

how much will 4 augmenters take?

[hard ivy]

I thought you did all your math yourself?

[atomic notch]

fine ill do it lol

[hard ivy]

but also I don't recall augmenters taking singularity cells

or matrices

[atomic notch]

for the alien apower matrix no?

maybe im retarded'

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch apm

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=apm

[hard ivy]

oh, you need singularity cells for the unlock

[velvet idol]

you need singularity cells to unlock it in the MAM but not to actually make them

[grand temple]

did they finally remove the max nudge distance?

[atomic notch]

that might be whats trippin me up

[green fiber]

Yeah

[grand temple]

never understood why you could only nudge a foundations length

[green fiber]

Reasons beyond our understanding

Not like it matters anymore

[unkempt blade]

it's a nudge not a shove! 😆

[grand temple]

yeah but when you had to nudge more than a foundations length it got pretty annoying

[cinder jay]

i made a stoage senter with 156 industrial storage bins is that enough?

[grand temple]

quick question how far in the game are you?

[cinder jay]

phase 3

[grand temple]

do you know what sam ore is?

[cinder jay]

yeah

[grand temple]

why make a physical storage if you can make dimensional storage?

[cinder jay]

idk

[upper gale]

Why not both

[grand temple]

physical storage in my opinion are generally not worth it with dimensional storage existing

i dont want to go back and forth places to get materials when i can just wait 1 minute for more materials to appear in my dimensional inventory

[upper gale]

The depot does have a max storage limit

And the physical storage does but it's a bigger amount, and you can make as many as you want

So you can have a lot of something

[grand temple]

if you want physical storage you're fully welcome to do that

[frail sleet]

dimensional storage fed by physical storage is far more powerful than only dimensional

[cinder jay]

i js like being able to go get as much as i need and not have to wait

[grand temple]

i think everybody adds a buffer to their dimensional storages

[upper gale]

Yup and that's why it's still useful to have

[tame marlin]

does it need to be deep the place i put the water extractors? #screenshots message

[upper gale]

Somewhat deep yeah, but that place should work

Oh that's the 4 normal coal node spot isn't it

[tame marlin]

yes

[upper gale]

Yeah it works just fine there

[mild finch]

@tame marlin your screenshot lacks a coal power plant ngl

** E X P A N D**

[tame marlin]

i dont think i will put it on water

[cinder jay]

sooo can someone anwser my question?

[mild finch]

I mean the general area, built mine on ground too

[mild finch]

Yes

[grand temple]

its definietly enough storage

[cinder jay]

mk ty

[grand temple]

did they move the screenshots folder?

[spice patio]

Yes, from under Documents to under AppData.

[rigid glen]

It's in the appdata/local/factorygame/saved/screenshots I think

[grand temple]

found it

[spice patio]

Photo mode also has button to open it.

[hollow onyx]

anybody know how to reduce lag from the conveyer belt input/output holograms

[atomic notch]

theres a few conveyer settings other than that idk

[unkempt blade]

I do! Use more factory carts instead of conveyors

[naive orchid]

yo any easy way to farm atleast 10k mw power? btw, i dont have nuclear power yet, am tier 7-8 (or idk whatever) and only complex part automated is computer and heat sink

i have barely 1k power above max consumption and 1k power boost

[shrewd palm]

fuel

specifically rocket fuel

[unkempt blade]

use 1/3 of a biofuel generator

[shrewd palm]

you can also just go find a couple geothermal vents and plonk down a generator there but they arent very consistent sources of power

[naive orchid]

i dont have that yet i need particle enrichment

[shrewd palm]

turbofuel?

[unkempt blade]

oh, 10k 😆

[shrewd palm]

rocket fuel is the easiest way to get a couple hundred gigawatts and should be enough power for the entire playthrough

turbofuel is like its worse younger brother

[naive orchid]

yeah... but i need more oil and to make more oil+fuel refineries and then turbofuel need compacted coal and so on till i eventually go back to coal power

its also my 1st world ever so my factory and almost everything i do is messy

[atomic notch]

just make more coal then more fuel

need the power to make more power

[shrewd palm]

there are a LOT of oil nodes around the map, and blue crater lake specifically should have everything you need for a decent sized turbo/rocket fuel plant

although you should try and get some alt recipes because some of them are very good for oil

[upper gale]

Yeah at that tier it's either more coal gens or more fuel gens. But you should really just be making the fuel gens

[naive orchid]

idk where that lake thing is but im under the cherry thing forest

where theres like a lil bit islands and stuff and then 3 oil nodes

[unkempt blade]

Even with basic fuel you're talking like max 600 oil to get to 40 fuel gens/10GW. Assume a little past that for the cost of generating the fuel

[upper gale]

Maybe regular fuel instead of turbo fuel, so you can skip the compacted coal

[naive orchid]

alr but it will cost me more generators

[shrewd palm]

#screenshots message

[unkempt blade]

it won't cost you more generators, it will allow you to build more generators should you want them

[shrewd palm]

ton of oil, coal, sulphur, nitrogen there

[naive orchid]

naw im in northern forest, the oil nodes are kinda close to that

[upper gale]

Probably can upgrade them to turbo later if you feel like it

[unkempt blade]

the generators always generate the same power but different fuels require more/less to generate that power

[naive orchid]

but i did hear there are all the nodes you need there

[upper gale]

That's funny I'm making turbo fuel right now in the northern forest

There is one coal and one sulfer neaby the oil

[shrewd palm]

there is a ton of oil a little ways north of you in the spire coast, and in the west coast is another pretty good spot for making oil products

[naive orchid]

if you look on the map, left of the forest and right of the pink biome thing

[shrewd palm]

and in the rocky desert to the west there are 2 spots of 4 coal nodes (on either side of the biome) that are both good for setting up coal power plants but i dont think it'll be more than 5mw total

[upper gale]

Actually it might not be considered northern forest idk, it's just on the middle of the map

[naive orchid]

northern forest btw isnt the one with the humongus trees

[shrewd palm]

best thing to do now is just to set up a bunch of fuel generators i think

[upper gale]

Oh alr then I'm in a different biome

[naive orchid]

good thing i have alot of motors and too much computers

[shrewd palm]

i still need to re-automate those lmao

going to be really hard making a phase 5 space elevator parts factory with none of the important bits from phase 3/4 automated rn

[naive orchid]

ill most likely reautomate computers, i got an alternate which only requiers circuit boards and crystal oscilators

anyway gtg will make that thing tmrw

[jovial zinc]

satisfactoryproductionplanner can i add partial import to the planner?

[shrewd palm]

if you're talking about satisfactory tools you can add/change inpits

go to items, input>can now change amount of resources you want to use and if you want to add any resources you're already producing

[unkempt blade]

If they're on T8 like it sounded I think they could definitely get more than 5gw from those coal nodes. Still probably better to just go for something oil-based though

[jovial zinc]

its the other tool can't add the link but its the first word :p

[limpid cairn]

do fluid bufffers ruin the flowrate of gasses?

[shrewd palm]

i think you should be able to?

looks like its almost the same thing as tools

most people here use either that or modeler

[unkempt blade]

I'm not sure I've ever used buffers for gas. What are you trying to do with the buffer?

[limpid cairn]

store the gas

[unkempt blade]

yes but for what purpose

[limpid cairn]

so the gas doesnt store up in the train station

[cunning siren]

No need for gas, causes more problems really with gas

Rail gas? 🤔 Not sure you need that

[unkempt blade]

hrmm is the flow rate leaving the buffer intended to be higher than what's going into the buffer with what you're trying to do?

if they're equal I don't think the buffer adds any value

[shrewd palm]

you can overclock things on tools right?

[limpid cairn]

idk man

im trying to figure out why my cooling system manifold doesnt fill up with nitrogen gas

[shrewd palm]

doesnt really matter i just want to see how much more power overclocking a factory would take

[limpid cairn]

even tho it gets 525 nitrogen gas per min

ah

now it works

[wooden mural]

thoughts on rideable flying vehicles

[cunning siren]

Pre 1.0 I ran a maxed 600 nitro pipe super far into a rocket fuel build and it did 100% last I remember 🤔 If I were to do train I would probably bottle that stuff maybe? IDK not an expert

[shrewd palm]

would be cool

[unkempt blade]

yeah gas is so easy in a pipe I normally don't mess with anything else for nitro

[cunning siren]

Yea one nitro pipe fed this entire 90GW build 100% #screenshots message #screenshots message

[shrewd palm]

it would be cool if there was more nitrogen on the map

i think that pure well near the titan forest and the other one in the rocky desert should be enough for what i need tho

[cunning siren]

I've bottled nitro and used drones to deliver places too 🤷

[cunning siren]

Hypertube cannons solve all my transportation needs 🤷

[fluid sapphire]

i just hop on trains that pass by

[jade frigate]

Is ||Hover Pack|| faster than sprinting on the ground?

[shrewd palm]

feels slower although if you're moving on the ground you should probably be slide jumping

[unkempt blade]

the factory cart is faster than sprinting though 😄

[hollow halo]

Can I explain my peak idea rq? I wanna see if there’s any flaws in em

[unkempt blade]

sorry we only allow insanely mid ideas here

[hollow halo]

Depressing… it might be peak for now or become REALLY mid in the long run

[fluid sapphire]

i sense potential

[unkempt blade]

we'll never know because he asked for permission instead of just asking about his idea

[hollow halo]

Sigh-

Alr lemme cook

So- I have a warehouse (maybe?) factory set up and it looks really wonky from the outside and inside since nothing aligned correctly.

Here’s how I’m gonna fix it: whole bunch of logistics space.

I’m gonna essentially go inside my building, push the wall inside in by one (since it’s a tileable style) so all the belts and lifts have space to hide in. Then I can place the machines all against the wall without problem and it’ll look nice :3

[upper gale]

Will have to make sure there's enough space for all the belts (if you're gonna avoid clipping that is)

If you're not worried about avoiding clipping then fire away

[sour vessel]

As of current, the "goal" is to finish the space elevator, right?

There's no rocket or anything?

[fluid sapphire]

thats the game

[sour vessel]

thought so! just wanted to be sure lol

played a bit of factorio and wasn't excited about leaving my spaghetti behind, so I just never finished it 😅

[upper gale]

Your spaghetti will never leave you here

In fact it will haunt you

[sour vessel]

i'm proud of my spaghetti, tyvm

[fluid sapphire]

permanent residents of Massage-2(A-B)b 🫡

[upper gale]

Permanent ficsit property

[sour vessel]

Unauthorized hostility towards ficsit property detected

[edgy python]

Accidental flooded a entire factory’s conveyer belt system with copper ore is there anyway to clear it without re doing the whole belt system

[crystal siren]

attach a storage container at the end and delete the items

[upper gale]

The ones going into the machines is a rip

[edgy python]

Belts are fed into 150 refineries so won’t work it will only clear the part before the splitters

[crystal siren]

indeed. the rest will be a disaster

maybe reload last autosave?

[hard ivy]

switch the refineries to pure copper, then back to whatever they were set to

[crystal siren]

or did it happen a while ago? 🙁

[edgy python]

I set my auto saves to every 20 min

[edgy python]

Their oil

So id have to set up water extractors

[crystal siren]

still, if last autosave was 5 min ago, this will be faster than changing all refineries / all belts to the refineries

[hard ivy]

you don't need to. they'll take the copper as long as the recipe takes copper and the refineries are powered

[edgy python]

Ohhh right

[upper gale]

He right

[edgy python]

Thank you

[hard ivy]

plus pasting the intended recipe over pure copper will remove the ore so you don't even need to pull it out manually

[edgy python]

15min ago which I spent doing power switches for the factory

[edgy python]

Yeah Ik that

What does the early access supporter dlc give you?

[leaden turret]

bling

[feral geyser]

I would like the option to, when handcrafting, NOT use items in the Dimensional Depot.

[hard ivy]

there's a setting for that

[astral gyro]

Gold nut charm and gold helmet lol

[feral geyser]

Oh??

[astral gyro]

Just click "take from inventory first" right?

[feral geyser]

That will still take from depot when your inventory supply is done.

[hard ivy]

i guess not exactly. you cannot completely disable taking from depot. but you can make it take from inevetory first and depot later

[feral geyser]

Yeah, not what I want 😭

[hard ivy]

why do you even want that lol

[feral geyser]

I would like to, just temporarily, disable it so I can use up/craft up the things in my inventory but not touch my depot supplies.

[astral gyro]

It will refill the depots at your rate

[feral geyser]

And I'd like to be able to step away for a minute while i do that.

[astral gyro]

If you need more rate then just add depots

[hard ivy]

handfeed a machine to make those things

[astral gyro]

Or that

[feral geyser]

I guessssss....... 😒

UUGGHH

[astral gyro]

If you want to do even more, put down a quick storage container and then feed the machine from there

I did that with circuit boards before I was able to set up a factory for them

When I needed like 50 for a milestone

[rugged ore]

why are bluepritns not saving on a server?

[feral geyser]

I guess that's a better idea anyway cuz machines sometimes have more efficient recipes.

[hard ivy]

plus sloops

[feral geyser]

And shards

Okay, fine, I guess I will relent and use machines (in a factory game)

I just need 50k quartz crystals as soon as possible

[limpid cairn]

can someone tell me what satisfactory planner they use?

[feral geyser]

Pencil and paper (sometimes MS Paint)

[hard ivy]

SFTools

[sour ledge]

i am definitely guilty of slapping down a machine or two to produce something, overclocking/slooping it, then setting up a storage on both ends to produce something i want In A Hurry

sometimes i just want enough parts to unlock the milestone so i can use its rewards to build the factories...

[feral geyser]

I just did that lmao except I also set up a water extractor and did it with my triple refineries setup for pure crystals.

[stray herald]

What for?

[feral geyser]

Signs

[next plover]

Does the object scanner show deposits? I know it shows nodes but I can't remember if it shows deposits.

[stray herald]

Only if you can extract from them I think

[next plover]

Thanks

[feral geyser]

It really should

[next plover]

Full agree

There isn't even a map of them