satisfactory

[dim flint]

If this was my coding setup, caps lock would be ESC and I'd be happy...

[remote plank]

forgot to add

[dim flint]

maybe I'll just fix that.

[shut valley]

ok well now some motherfucker is spitting fireballs at me so 😭

[dim flint]

Just thought there would be a more natural solution given how common this is.

[smoky nimbus]

if you research all the alien corpses in the MAM you get a gun

[shut valley]

had to run my ones ofc 🤑

[remote plank]

train doesnt need any momentum like hypertubes right

[smoky nimbus]

60 fucking refineries

kms

it only gets worse from here

[atomic notch]

I had a project that needed like 400 ish

[smoky nimbus]

copper powder core

[atomic notch]

All the iron in the rocky desert

I dont wanna talk anout copper powder

[plain gate]

spiral

[remote plank]

i cant

do you know from the spawn to where the bauxite node is

[atomic notch]

I did one where i split the track so it just dumps into a belt waterfall then another station at the top

[plain gate]

there are four spawns

[remote plank]

all in that area tho

[atomic notch]

Then you dont gotta worry abt the spiral rtt

Lemme see if i got a ss somewhere

[plain gate]

wut? there are 12 bauxite nodes how do i know which one youre talking about

[atomic notch]

#screenshots message sometin like this worked for me

idk where ur buildin tho

[lost galleon]

Guys, Can i somehow let raw material flow into a constructor without it using it? My math aint working if i cant fill the constructors first

[plain gate]

yes theres an input buffer

[lost galleon]

Oh how do I do that kind sir

[plain gate]

its inside the machine itself..

[smoky nimbus]

put item in machine.

[lost galleon]

Ah I see but I want the buffer to fill up without it producing if I put it on standby the machine doesnt pull materials from the conveyor anymore

[smoky nimbus]

not possible I don't think

just underclock it to 0%

[steady glade]

my bad its q im french

[remote plank]

how do i make my freight platform take materials from a freight wagon automatically

[smoky nimbus]

you mean a tractor?

[dim flint]

Holy shit, DUH. I should have been able to figure that out. That you so much!

Now to break old bad habits.

[steady glade]

if you're not driving the train, set up its time table, and ensure the platform is set to unload

[hard ivy]

1% is the minimum

[smoky nimbus]

I JUST underclocked something to 0.

[steady glade]

otherwise, ensure the platforms are snapped to the station, drive the train to the front of the station, you should see a prompt saying "Press F to dock"

[remote plank]

train

[hard ivy]

did you tho

[remote plank]

i can have the train facing either way surely?

[topaz shale]

1% was always the minimum underclock but it always did the trick for having the machine fill with fluids for when I ever need to.

[steady glade]

no the locomotive has to be the same direction as the station

[steady glade]

you can see the direction of the station with the semi-circle ceiling

[topaz shale]

That and when placing, there is an arrow that shows up.

[plain gate]

well you can have 2 locomotives

[remote plank]

can trains not go through the station tho

[steady glade]

a train can have heads in both directions but the head that docks needs to be in the same direction as the station

[steady glade]

it will attempt to avoid a station if its not too much of a bother (i.e a detour adds more than 100m to the path)

[remote plank]

ah

because i was thinking just the trailer needs to be in line with the freight platform

[steady glade]

that will naturally happen but its more of the locomotive activating the station than the platform using the freight cars

[hard ivy]

I just tested it and lo and behold, I was right. well mostly. a train set to only depart when empty/full will be slowed down to the slowest belt, resulting in all platforms being capped to that.
Or, well, mostly. the wagon is considered "full" if all slots are filled. which means 31 stacks and 1 item. the faster platforms can fill their wagon completely, resulting in up to 3% higher throughput

But no, 2x780 + 2x720 would not work with depart when empty/full. you would, in fact, get 2x743 + 2x720

[dim flint]

Pipes flow indicator not copying color correctly is going to drive me insane.

[reef basin]

you still keep thinking about single train, even though I said "multiple trains" multiple times

[hard ivy]

works identically with multiple trains because it's a station limit

[reef basin]

one station limits for the faster belts, one for the slower

[hard ivy]

... then you're using 2 stations and 4 trains

[reef basin]

and solving the problem

[hard ivy]

and yet you somehow didn't suggest that in the first place

3 of your first suggestions had no right to work as described

[reef basin]

or you just didn't understand what I was suggesting 🤷

[hard ivy]

this you?

[reef basin]

yeah, each train works on full load

[remote plank]

can i send you a screenshot idk what its doing

[steady glade]

sure

[hard ivy]

only if the inputs to its wagons are equal

[reef basin]

which is where the multiple trains come to play 🤷

they pick up the second different input

[hard ivy]

you'd need more than 1 pickup station for that. which I'm pretty sure you did not mention

[reef basin]

I did not mention using only one station either 🤷

[upper gale]

Just a misunderstanding

[reef basin]

I mentioned more trains because I assumed one train per route, as that was before RTT was known

[limber viper]

Potentially random question. Are somersloops, powerslugs, and other exploration items semi randomized between world seeds or do they change on the game patch version?

[reef basin]

indeed 🤷

[hard ivy]

I'm sorry but using more than 1 pickup staton for the same item is not something a person new to trains would figure out themselves. if you meant that, perhaps you should've said that

[hard ivy]

pretty sure RTT was known before you chimed in

[coral glacier]

Stupid game not letting me build my factory outside the world map.

jk

[ornate pewter]

my full map subway under the terrain would like to have a word with you.

[reef basin]

well at least you can see how annoying it is when you only say half of the story (see all your opinions presented as straight facts, without mentioning it's limited to people who have same preferences as you)

(I could say the same - if you mean "screws are bad only when having these kinds of preferences", perhaps you should've said that)

you're doing the same thing the whole time and now blaming people for doing it as well

[coral glacier]

But i want to have my world paved with reactors!

[reef basin]

and honestly I was talking to OP, not you, so I don't see a reason to continue the meaningless discussion

[plain gate]

no they've always been the same

[coral glacier]

Besides, the piping network would be horrendous.

[wicked nacelle]

There are no "world seeds" there's just one predefined map for every game

[hard ivy]

my point was that you were giving them advice which would've been the opposite of helpful

[coral glacier]

each world is exactly the same

[ornate pewter]

although farming would be fun.

[reef basin]

same could be said about all your "advices" 🤷

[limber viper]

Ok, was following a guide and where a somersloops was in the guide, is not there for me. Granted the guide was in 1.0, and I am playing in 1.1

[ornate pewter]

grow our own berries and nuts and shrooms.

[coral glacier]

Grow Plutonium fuel Rods

:)

[reef basin]

(in most cases, pushing people to use single recipe instead of encouraging them to research possibilities is a bad and unhelpful advice imo)

[dense violet]

you constantly mislead people with opinions as facts.

[ornate pewter]

could just be out of date or based on pre-release data. those locations are now fixed in their final position.

[reef basin]

(or at least listing some of the reasonable possibilities and mentioning other ways exist)

[limber viper]

Ok, thanks for the info. Just need to see where the somersloops are in the desert now.

[plain gate]

online map is accurate afaik

[hard ivy]

I never claim any of my opinions are objectively correct

[wicked nacelle]

"facts" are often some of the least useful things to share with people when they're looking for advice.

being "technically correct" is often harmful

[reef basin]

you never state them as opinions in the first place

[dense violet]

you present them in such a way constantly

[ornate pewter]

i find jetpack and nighttime to be a very handy combo for spotting slugs and sloops.

get a little altitude and do a 360. look for what don't belong.

the patterns and clues are easy to see once you get a feel for them.

[wicked nacelle]

though some of the caves are kinda brutal to find

[hard ivy]

do you expect everyone to put in "imo" before every single statement that is not objectively correct?

people asking for opinions should expect opinions

[ornate pewter]

hehehehe

[coral glacier]

imo, my opinion is an opinion

[woeful gate]

Howdy! I just beat the game-

I won't go into spoilers... But did I miss something in the story? I have so many questions and sort've thought more would have been addressed-

[dense violet]

you should have Something that denotes it.

like

'often it's good'
'if youre in this situation'

ect

[coral glacier]

imo, mo is an o

[reef basin]

like this "opinion"?
#math-and-meta message

[wicked nacelle]

the story is really just a retcon tack on. You "save the puppies and kittens by building a spaceship. kthx"

[dense violet]

not barging into a channel and doing what greeny just linked at you

[reef basin]

"don't use screws" practically cannot be considered opinion lol

[woeful gate]

buh- wuh about the aliens?

[dense violet]

that you do constantly.

[plain gate]

in fact that opinion is pretty incorrect in terms of weighted resource usage lmao

[coral glacier]

Use Hamburgers

[wicked nacelle]

I mean, you can literally use screws so "don't use them" must be subjective

not sure why cobalt is going on and on about this

[dense violet]

"I like X recipe because of Y" is extremely reasonable and no one can object
"screech use silica CB always!"

is not

[hard ivy]

because they always have to be contrarian otherwise their ego is not fed enough

[wicked nacelle]

yep, 100%

[plain gate]

"i don't recommend etc etc..." would be subjective

[woeful gate]

|| So I didn't miss anything in the story? ||

[dense violet]

don't use screws is explicitely a directive? This can be excused if english is an extra language and you're still learning. About it.

[wicked nacelle]

Yes, that would. Also what he said is.

[reef basin]

I wouldn't have any issues if you said "I don't like screws, because [reason]", or "I don't recommend doing screws, because [reason]"

but "don't use screws" or "screws suck" just isn't percieved as opinion by practically anyone

[plain gate]

"don't stop at a stop sign"

[wicked nacelle]

Man, it's really funny that the least helpful people are the ones trying to get other people to be less helpful

[true mulch]

oh it's this guy again

[hard ivy]

it's advice 🤷‍♂️

[reef basin]

presented (and percieved) as fact

(and that's not just me speaking)

[wicked nacelle]

greeny telling others how to give advice is incredibly ironic

"everything is great" is the only thing he's ever said to anyone

[reef basin]

I practically never say that everything is great lol

[dense violet]

you could give examples of situations where a thing could be great in? that is also reasonable

[hard ivy]

I would like to point out that whenever screws are mentioned in general, I usally say that I only consider them good for copper rotor.

which is not an ingredient for HMFs, so whenever HMFs are mentioned, I don't mention rotors (why would I?)

[dense violet]

direct feeding steel screws into a machine? I find very useful <--- subjective example

[hard ivy]

and I think using screws at any stage to make HMFs is just a bad idea and say exactly that

again, people asking for opinions shouldn't expect facts

[reef basin]

so why is the message "don't use screws" and not "don't use screws for HMF"?

and even then, it still lacks the reasoning or anything close to it seeming as an opinion, not a fact

[worn agate]

hi so i had my own set of blueprints on my world already and my friend sent me a set of his own to put in my folder and it worked but when i deleted some of them all of my blueprints wont show up even though they are in the folder they need to be in.

i created a new blueprint and named it and it isnt in the blueprint folder or anyfolder for factorygame but the game has my blueprint anyway pls help

[true mulch]

please make a #1038092680493801533 post with a screenshot of the BP folder and how it looks ingame

[woeful gate]

#story-spoilers just to be ABSOLUTELY CLEAR. The story || has nothing to do with aliens || Whatsoever and I didn't miss anything?

[true mulch]

||depends how you define aliens? definitely not the hogs or spiders that walk around the planet||

[dense violet]

I don't even care who that was directed to, great delivery

[woeful gate]

|| I mean the ending. You just finish the space elevator and roll credits? The aliens talking with ADA and the voices in your head have nothing to do with anything? ||

[reef basin]

what if it was towards you 😄

[hard ivy]

using screws for HMFs doesn't give any benefit most people would care about. doesn't save space, power, resources, doesn't give better ratios, nothing. why would I ever say anything other than "don't use screws"?

[dense violet]

oh that was what my statement was for.

you got timing and delivery like that you have my full permisiona to flame

[true mulch]

I, uh, would have to finish the game to be able to answer that

[reef basin]

see, there's the problem

you're comparing just two paths, you're assuming people use default HMF recipe vs encased HMF, you never consider flexible, or that people may have other recipes, and/or might not have some recipes, which makes selection/priorities very different

[shut valley]

is there a better way to transport a bunch of coal besides a lot of conveyers lmao

[true mulch]

coal for power or steel

[shut valley]

power

ah

[true mulch]

find a location with both coal and power, burn in on location

[ornate pewter]

i find trains properly set up to be the highest transport speed for most things.

[shut valley]

i should just coal gen at the source and powerline it

[true mulch]

mhm

[shut valley]

ty lol

[wicked nacelle]

def the most items/m per incremental time you spend on it -- it's the only transportation type that scales much better than 1:1 in terms of time to build vs throughput

[dense violet]

like 80% of coal nodes is next to water. Find a more distant group of nodes of coal, burn it there

keep nearby for steel. Makes it much easier to import power with cabe 🙂

you can belt stuff all the way home ofc but teh game forces you to spread out anyway, and it'll help make it easier for management

[reef basin]

flexible (which by definition is "using screws for HMF") gives more production per machine, so it saves manu count. Very important to some people. Also many can have rubber lying around available for usage (rubber and plastic are very often centralised and mass-produced), which makes it only 3 items that need to be manufactured for HMFs

[wicked nacelle]

of course the easy start doesn't have water near the coal.

[shut valley]

ahh alr ty

[dense violet]

no stress 🙂 imo the tiers are just a good tutorial to get yo uto a more sandbox style game after you unlock everything. Take it easy, don't stress, just keep going forward

[wicked nacelle]

@bunger the game doesn't punish any decisions that you later regret - you can undo basically everything and the few things you can't you still can do whatever -- like just getting more HDD's if you pick a bad alt

[true mulch]

all starting locations have water near coal

[hard ivy]

that's one reason why I consider grasslands to be the worst start. like the enemies are easy but the resource availibility and proximity after phase 1 kinda sux

[upper gale]

There's one spot but the pond is kinda small. Can still fit a few extractors though

[reef basin]

well, grasslands try to teach you to expand

[wicked nacelle]

ondar needs to be quiet. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1412592192740135027/image.png?ex=68b8da7f&is=68b788ff&hm=00b4313159d458e898b2cf8f4bc58d09fffba13f2af2749622ed1a2f39d76b2e& freaking troll

[true mulch]

not the small ponds, grass fields have a large lake with coal nodes right beside it

[true mulch]

congratulations for cropping the image just to show where it isn't?

[wicked nacelle]

I cropped it to show stuff that is "close"

[dense violet]

The grassy fields has a fantastic starter coal spot with water nearby xD

[hard ivy]

Pretty sure there really isn't water near that coal

[dense violet]

they all do as Ondar has pointed out

[wicked nacelle]

jesus christ the trolls here are insane

[dense violet]

although the NF is a little cramped like most of the area , but it's an easy enough solve

[wicked nacelle]

the inmates have taken over the asylump

[true mulch]

0/10 ragebait

[wicked nacelle]

defining "close" to be "not close" doesn't help anyone

of course these are the least helpful people saying this, so no big surprise

[dense violet]

all the more zen for not having to see it

[reef basin]

just report the message and go on with your life 😉

[upper gale]

The one with the beach and the 4 normal coal nodes? Yeah that's a good spot, just is a bit further out north

[true mulch]

exactly that one

[atomic notch]

rocky desert is my go to theres tons of coal

[true mulch]

no there isn't 😭

[hard ivy]

That's literally not in grasslands

[atomic notch]

you can put a train through the cave in the south theres a couple nodes there as well

[true mulch]

it somehow feels like it's even more far away than in GF

[dense violet]

what are you talking about no? no zones have good starter coal. It's all fake.

[dense violet]

the new 1.0 nodes did help for that

[atomic notch]

well maybe not in it but close enough

[hard ivy]

Rocky desert has 8 coal nodes near water

Grasslands have 1

[true mulch]

yeah there are enough nodes, but not in the center

I have to build steel all the way in the northern forest

[hard ivy]

There's no coal in the northern forest????

[true mulch]

coal is on the rocky desert side, iron on the northern forest side

[hard ivy]

There's iron right next to the coal

[atomic notch]

i think yall need to come to an agreement on biome locations

[dense violet]

there's 5 xD

[upper gale]

I started a new save in mushroom crater because of it, loving it. I'm using all of the new coal nodes they added there

[hard ivy]

Coal? Fucking where?

[true mulch]

not enough, only covers half of the coal

[dense violet]

oh yeah, you mean the ones north near the swamp?

I was a little sad they added those because coal was the 1 resource teh swamp didn't have easy access to

[atomic notch]

in the jungle cliffs lol

[dense violet]

the classic coal power start spot just north of the spawn in the hills??

[upper gale]

What about the coal nodes inside the crater itself, were those always there?

[dense violet]

... I think so?

[true mulch]

are we going by biome borders or where people who start in the grass fields go

[hard ivy]

That's not in grasslands

[true mulch]

I mean grass fields proper are kinda small

[atomic notch]

i mean it is the starter area

[dense violet]

are they complaining because hte drop pod doesn't land them directly onto the 4 nodes by the lake that its shit now?

[atomic notch]

but theres smaller biomes

[upper gale]

Does anyone remember the greener grass, the old grassy fields

[true mulch]

but it's not like you go "uh oh, this is where grass fields end, can't go over there to build my power plant"

[dense violet]

it's always more @greeny on the other side

[hard ivy]

I was talking about how many nodes are in the starting biome

[reef basin]

because the coal isn't in the same color on the biome map

because that matters more than "nodes nearby starting location"

[dense violet]

apparently some people do xD

[atomic notch]

if were talking adjacent that adds like 4 more pure nodes to the rocky desert side

[dense violet]

exactly what I'd expect

[hard ivy]

If you're gonna go as far as the lake north of grasslands, rocky desert has several times more coal

[reef basin]

if you're not gonna put resources far, people won't realise they should expand

[atomic notch]

plus like 7 pure iron nodes so you can do tons of steel there

[reef basin]

if you're gonna assume just the coal in starting locations, rocky desert has 0 😄 so the comparison is kinda how you make it, aka not relevant

[atomic notch]

lots of open space to build your cube

[true mulch]

that's 3x as far away

[upper gale]

And then quartz feels extremely far away no matter where you are, for some reason

[true mulch]

except for NF, yeah

[dense violet]

dune and rocky are easy enough for quartz. Though you have ot fight spiders for the rocky ones

[true mulch]

nahhh I hate those spiders

that cave is off limits

[hard ivy]

It's right under your feet in the rocky desert lol

[dense violet]

NF isn't bad either

GF is probably as annoying for quartz as Rocky as I recal there being giant ass spiders there instead of just small ones

but that might have changed over the years

[reef basin]

the distance is basically equal from center of spawn location 🤷

[true mulch]

the closest quartz node to GF is on a huge inaccessible cliff, but the resource scanner doesn't really account for that

the second closest node has more output and is easy to reach

[dense violet]

yeah that's where I nabbed my crystal for my 1.0 run 😄

[upper gale]

The pure caterium nodes at grassy fields is cool. Easy coupons from sinking quickwire

[true mulch]

now that you mention it, I should climb the spire to the uranium node and start sinking that

[upper gale]

Oh yeah lol I tried that recently, just sinking... uranium

Kinda funny

[true mulch]

reanimated SAM is also ez sink points

[upper gale]

Oh wow

[stray herald]

For train track blueprints, do I include foundations?

[peak wasp]

this second modular factory is a disaster, I have confused myself

[stray herald]

What are you trying to make?

[dense violet]

btw, you're familliar with the concepts of load balancers and manifolds right?

[true mulch]

in what sense

[dense violet]

that one is the feeding of machines in a constant and even flow for their needs and the later relies on overflow from one machine t othe next?
and that it doesn't really matter what middle ground the belts do that accomplishes this?

[true mulch]

I mean ofc

[peak wasp]

#screenshots message

this, but I keep going back and forth and lose track of what tf im doing

[dense violet]

just wanted that to be a thing made clear. In case some person or persons in channel didn't understand that

[true mulch]

said that somewhat recently

[dense violet]

oh I know 😄

[true mulch]

I don't care which fill method anyone uses, but I find it ridiculous when someone deliberately chooses to use a balancer for no apparent reason and then asks others to help do the math for them

[dense violet]

oh that... I kinda understand it when you're starting out. You need the leg up to get the idea going if you're not great at maths

though I think when they're like that they probably give up on the idea of LB in the long run because it doesn't come naturally and is a lot of work

even if you're adept at it

[true mulch]

I mean nothing prevents them from using a manifold where they wouldn't have to do the math to begin with, and they would be able to build it themselves

you can learn a strategy to build factories in a way to do the least amount of "annoying" math as possible and be able to easily solve any setup

[hard ivy]

I especially love when people ask how to build a balancer, but not because they think they need one, but because they want one despite knowing it's pretty useless in their use case

[true mulch]

yes, yes, exactly

[hard ivy]

Like I could understand asking if you think you need it and then going with a manifold when told of its existence

[heavy pine]

I like using balancers on my coal-fired generators to make sure they're all getting enough at once.

[upbeat charm]

I just reached Tier 4 and 5 and haven't touched oil yet. Ahould I fully overclocked the miner yet?

[true mulch]

miner as in oil extractor?

[upbeat charm]

ore miner

[true mulch]

it'll work just fine with a manifold, however it may take a while for it to start

[true mulch]

you don't mine oil with a miner wdym

[hard ivy]

But if you're doing a balancer for shits and giggles you could at least have the decency to design one

[dense violet]

Im glad that there is only load balancers or manifolds in terms of feeding machines. And not a secret 3rd thing.

[upbeat charm]

Should I fully overclocked the iron node miner

[upper gale]

Better not to overclock unless you really need to, cuz power requirement goes up exponentially the more you overclock

[dense violet]

if you need the iron? sure

[upper gale]

If power isn't an issue then go for it

[upbeat charm]

What's the power requirement for full overclocked

[true mulch]

well, anything that's not a balancer kinda falls back to being a manifold
spaghetti fill is a manifold

[dense violet]

you'll find power is very easy to come by. Especially when it's just miners

even a fully overclocked factory will only use a total 33% more power

[dense violet]

I mean I can't imagine anyone disagreeing with this. It's only reasonable.

Right Kyo?

[hard ivy]

There are splitter/merger contraptions that don't directly feed machines

[upbeat charm]

I know 150% overclock give 1.5 times resources but use less than 1.5 times power

[hard ivy]

Uses more than 1.5x more power

[dense violet]

just more slugs 🙂

[heavy pine]

I did some crazy belt voodoo to split off 12 items/min in one of my builds.

[rigid glen]

You're paying a power penalty in trade for higher productivity

[hard ivy]

🖕

[true mulch]

a balancer with a 1% error is a manifold

[upper gale]

It is pretty easy to get lots of power once you have oil. But before that point, when it's coal gens only, I like to save as much coal as I can. To use for steel, black powder, ect

[hard ivy]

I'm still waiting for a topological definition of a balancer and a manifold

[reef basin]

direct input 🙂

[hard ivy]

What is a belt limiter or a belt compressor then

[upbeat charm]

I prefer Balancer early game cuz it is easier to tear down without waiting for all resources to leave the system

[hard ivy]

And is a belt balancer a load balancer?

[upbeat charm]

is not same thing?

[true mulch]

those don't fill machines though, do they

I have no idea what a belt compressor is

[hard ivy]

Well, Cobalt insisted everything is either a balancer or a manifold

[shy mulch]

Once we resolve that can we encore by defining exactly what counts as a megafactory and what doesn't

[dense violet]

technically load balancing. Evenly feeding.

[hard ivy]

Somehow failed to answer what a limiter or a compressor is

[dense violet]

1:1 load balancing ftw!

[shy mulch]

Trains are a manifold

[reef basin]

"everything" from "how to feed machines" category

belt limiter or compressor don't feed machines

[twilit tinsel]

i lowk might be a bit stupid ive spent like 10 hours trying to figure out why my power plant wont work properly and im pretty sure the fact my math was wrong was like 75% of my issue...

[dense violet]

unless you load balance the output

[hard ivy]

There was no such specification the last time this conversation took place. They insisted every splitter/merger contraption is either of the 2

[feral geyser]

Reality itself is a manifold

[hard ivy]

True!

[feral inlet]

Am I unable to post pics?

[hard ivy]

Not the same kind tho

[dense violet]

just about anywhere besides this channel

[true mulch]

load balancers and manifolds are specifically building fill methods, I think that statement meant to apply to building fill methods

you either guarantee every building gets an exact proportion of the input irregardless of the fill of other machines -> balancer
or the filling of any single machine depends on the fill of another -> manifold

[reef basin]

I mean we're talking about now, right? you're not replying to some old message

the current message literally specifies

Im glad that there is only load balancers or manifolds in terms of feeding machines. And not a secret 3rd thing.

[feral geyser]

Me taking care of the towels on laundry day:
"Man, I fold."

[shy mulch]

In this channel, no. In most channels, yes. Pick a more appropriate one for posting pics

[feral inlet]

I see thanks

[true mulch]

~~puns result in a lifetime ban, please consult #rules ~~

[reef basin]

(and before you put everything in #screenshots , we can't write in that channel, so anything that requires any reply should be put elsewhere, like #1038092680493801533 )

[feral inlet]

I was trying to see if something is possible but cannot explain it with text

[reef basin]

yeah, that's most likely #1038092680493801533 territory

[hard ivy]

We can reply with emojis tho 😂

[feral inlet]

I will try to see if I can figure out on my own then

[hard ivy]

#1038092680493801533 then

[reef basin]

still not purpose for the channel

[hard ivy]

In terms of things directly connected to machines, I can agree that there really isn't anything else. Either each machine gets exactly what it uses at all times or it doesn't. If you define a load balancer and manifold in terms of that, then sure, you can't really have anything else

But there was no such stipulation the last time that conversation took place

That's why I'm asking: what is a belt limiter, compressor or balancer then?

[true mulch]

do you have a post explaining what a belt limiter/compressor exactly is?

or at least just an example of one

[upper gale]

Imagine the hypertube's purpose was to launch people across the map. That'd be crazy right

[hard ivy]

Hmm but that begs the question. What if each machine gets the exact same amount but less or more than it can use. Is that still a load balancer?

[true mulch]

that's what I joked about earlier, a balancer with a 1% error is technically a manifold

there will be a building ever so slightly starving and another ever so slightly being overfilled, which will resolve once the overfilled building is full
that's a manifold

[atomic notch]

i been workin on my cube

[reef basin]

that leads to "eventually it will perform at 100%", which is true for manifolds as well, so I'd say that's still a manifold

[hard ivy]

A belt limiter is a setup that limits the throughput of a belt to some specific value. If it's fed less than that, everything gets through, if more, it's capped to the design value

[hard ivy]

Well, not necessarily. Every machine gets the exact same amount. But it's less than they can use. They're always empty. There's never overflow. Is that a load balancer or a manifold?

[true mulch]

go by my original definition, does the fill of any machine depend on the fill of another?
sounds like no -> it's a balancer

[hard ivy]

And a belt compressor is a setup that takes multiple partially full belts and it turns them into the minimum number of completely full belts and a single partially full one

[true mulch]

alright

[hard ivy]

I would go with topological definitions. How it's built determines what it is. No item flow or machines needed for the definition. Just the splitter/merger/belt arrangement

Especially because you can define both designs in terms of that

Plus you can include every single other contraption in the same kind of definition - the setup

[true mulch]

theoretically, you could use a belt compressor to feed machines directly

assuming you have, like, a bunch of 60% belts and clock the machines to use 100% belts + remainder

in that case, the fill of one machine shouldn't depend on the fill of another, therefore a belt compressor is a balancer

[hard ivy]

Or let's take a 1:5 balancer. Splits the input equally among all outputs. I feel like nobody would dispute that it's a balancer. But you connect it to machines that don't have equal consumption. Does that become a manifold now? Makes no fkn sense because it doesn't look like a manifold at all. And if you decrease the input below 5x the slowest consumer, does it magically become a balancer again?

Which is why I think these definitions are fucking stupid. You should be able to tell what a thing is based on how it's built

[true mulch]

on the other hand a belt limiter has exactly 1 output so it's not a "fill method" to begin with

[hard ivy]

Doesn't make sense that the name of a setup would change on how it's used

[true mulch]

interesting... yeah the unbalanced consumption would make it a manifold

[upper gale]

As long as it does whatever you want it to. Also whenever I need to make a balancer I try to figure it out myself & it's challenging but fun

[hard ivy]

What about the edit? If each machine is underfed, there's no overflow. Does it become a balancer again?

[true mulch]

that's the right approach

[upper gale]

Split here and split again.. merge these and.. wait I'm confused

[hard ivy]

Or if I show you this #screenshots message
What is it?

[true mulch]

it's a fill method, therefore the buildings are a part of it

[upper gale]

3:4 took me forever to figure out

[true mulch]

it's like showing me a body without a head and asking me if it's a human

[hard ivy]

But you don't need the buildings to define the specific setups

When you look up balancers, you won't find balancers that are designed specifically for feeding hmm 1 machine consuming 30 and 4 consuming 45

[true mulch]

thinking about this

[hard ivy]

Because that's topologically not a balancer

[hard ivy]

A head is a part of the human. A balancer without a belt will no longer be a balancer, obviously

Does a chair stop being a chair because nobody's sitting on it?

[true mulch]

the head would be the buildings being fed in this

[dense violet]

anything that doesn't feed machiens like that is then a belt balancer

which can then be fed to load balanced feed systems or manifolds

[true mulch]

okay let's not bring the ship of theseus into this

[hard ivy]

Or does a chair stop being a chair because I'm standing on it?

[dense violet]

same as a belt compressor. Does it then feed in a load balanced way or a manifold? it's not a feed system itself

[true mulch]

answered that above, it's a balancer

[reef basin]

imo the definition (for feeding machines) is simple
any contraption that makes machines run "instantly" (within reasonable timeframe) is considered a balancer
everything else is a manifold

[hard ivy]

That's why I said, they should be called balancing and manifolding

Because they're things that are happening to the items

[true mulch]

that's void by filling a setup consuming 10/min with 1200/min, even if it's "obviously" a manifold

[upper gale]

I will put it in an art museum so it will be an art piece instead of a chair

[reef basin]

I meant "fresh start"

[true mulch]

yes, fresh start

[reef basin]

aka build machines, connect belts, run

[hard ivy]

You can load balance with a manifold, if you connect it to machines that progressively consume half of what the previous one does (except the last one)

[reef basin]

no prefilling or any extra setup

[crisp edge]

anyone else use satisfactory modeler on steam? i keep thinking i've closed the app at the same time as i close satisfactory, like i swear i'm hitting the window close button, and then i come back to find it still running later. i'm starting to wonder if it's somehow restarting and wanted to know if anyone else has experienced this

[hard ivy]

Why are y'all trying to define a splitter setup in terms of what happens to the items instead of the way the splitters are set up???

[reef basin]

imo it covers all cases nicely when defined that way

[crisp edge]

piggybacking here. how does a compressor work?

[reef basin]

and you're building those splitter setups so that a thing can happen with items, so it just makes sense to use that

[hard ivy]

It's so confusing to me. Why not define a thing in terms of what it is, not what happens to it when put under a very specific scenario

[reef basin]

I define a thing by its function

[hard ivy]

Especially when something that basically everyone would consider a balancer, when used slightly differently would become not a balancer

[upper gale]

It's kinda like calling a gun a firearm instead of a weapon

[crisp edge]

i don't even understand what you're trying to say. can you give an example of what someone is saying vs what you'd say instead to describe the same thing?

[reef basin]

a mouse pad is a thing that goes under mouse so that mouse can move on it nicely
it's defined by its function

[hard ivy]

Define in terms of how the belts are laid out. No items, no machines.

[crisp edge]

but a gun is by definition a firearm, and depending on intention, could be a weapon

[true mulch]

I guess it would depend how starved it is, if it's starved below the amount needed to run 1 machine at any time, the definition falls apart

[crisp edge]

i'm sorry, i don't know what this means

[reef basin]

that has ambiguous cases then

[hard ivy]

You can also define it by its shape, size, materials

[upper gale]

Pretty much

Does it matter for a video game though not really

[plain gate]

explain how you would define a mousepad using any of those qualities... 😭

[hard ivy]

I'm asking again. Does a chair stop being a chair because someone stood on it?

[reef basin]

mk3 belt goes to line of four splitters, side belts are mk1, it doesn't continue further

is that a balanacer or manifold?

answer: ||if input amount is 240/min and mahcines/sides need 60/min, it is a balancer. If not, it's a manifold||

[hard ivy]

Because y'all are currently trying to define a chair as an object that someone is sitting on

[hard ivy]

It's a 1:3 balancer bottlenecked to 240/min input

[dense violet]

the issue is they refuse to acknowledge that load balance and manifolds are specifically methods of feeding machines.

you'll never get through unless you can make them accept that.
Something which is probably impossible now that they've dug their heels in so far and admitting they were wrong would be a blow

you see the same things with certain groups too.

[true mulch]

shape: rounded rectangle
size: 2x1.7 the length of my phone
material: fabric

[reef basin]

which kinda is definition of a chair

a separate seat for one person

[plain gate]

no, an object that you're supposed to sit on

[upper gale]

You call it a chair and they call it a not-chair. Problem solved

[plain gate]

sounds like a handkerchief 🤷‍♂️

[true mulch]

wrong, that's square

[crisp edge]

christ, this debate has been made as deliberately obtuse as possible lmao

[true mulch]

[mortal ginkgo]

What the heck those two are discussing? This debate is so silly lols

[hard ivy]

Yes, it's defined as something designed to be sat on, not something currently being sat on

[reef basin]

but only if input belt is 240/min

which you don't know because the definition you want ignores items and machines

[mortal ginkgo]

whats next? calling Iron Plate, Plated Iron?

[crisp edge]

i tried to figure out what the root of the debate was but they keep saying words that are either petty or don't make sense

[hard ivy]

A balancer is designed to split equally when all belts are free to move

[true mulch]

starts here #satisfactory message

[upper gale]

Sheet of Iron instead of Iron Sheet

[reef basin]

I'm defining manifold as a thing that should work some way, not a thing that is currently working in some way

[hard ivy]

I said bottlenecked to.

[crisp edge]

it started almost AN HOUR AGO?

[true mulch]

I am leaving Discord permanently and going back to camping or something

[hard ivy]

What is this, then #screenshots message

[reef basin]

if input is 120/min, it's suddenly not a balancer because it outputs 60/30/15/15

[mortal ginkgo]

I love how people are so fixed on community-said-so names like manifold balancers (and one guy has balancerfold lol) and like debate as much as politicians.

At least they are getting paid to be this silly.

[reef basin]

nothing in context of "feeding machines"

[crisp edge]

for a second there i thought you were saying the people in this discord were being paid for this and i was like 'uh tell me how'

[unkempt blade]

but you forgot cartifolds, the most important one

[hard ivy]

Oh, I completely misread that comment

[mortal ginkgo]

People are questioning silly splitter setup names while I question how such a galaxy wide factory company does not have sorters and inserters.

Get on my level you fools.

[mortal ginkgo]

ok now I am reporting you to local authorities for that

[upper gale]

There was something before this too, I think debates were going on for most of the day

[hard ivy]

It's a 4/2/1/1 ratio splitter then. Bottlenecked to 120

[dense violet]

about people putting out subjective ideas as objective facts

[unkempt blade]

some of us are being paid while doing this though, that's almost the same thing

[reef basin]

yeah, so definition of what it is changes based on input

see why I'm trying to define it with inclusion of items and machines? 🙂 because if you ignore machines, you have ambiguous cases like this one

[mortal ginkgo]

ur mom

there, I finished the debate, go play the game now

[crisp edge]

i seem to end up in debates when all i did was come here and be like 'i learned this new thing' or 'hey does anyone have an opinion whether i should do x or y?' and someone will basically be like 'yeah i mean that is a thing that exists but if you do that you're stupid' or 'hey that totally unrelated part of the screenshot you didn't ask about isn't even efficient you should use another layout or recipe or whatever, i won't answer the question you asked though'

[hard ivy]

I mean a manifold is a ratio splitter. When all belts are free to move, it'll split in a specific ratio. When they aren't, overflow rules apply

[crisp edge]

i do sometimes, but it's 930pm so i'm off the clock

[mortal ginkgo]

welcome to reddit people leaking to other places 😛

[reef basin]

but the ratio changes based on input and demand

[crisp edge]

this happens a LOT. i really try to make sure i portray my own thoughts as opinions to avoid this.

[hard ivy]

The same can be said about belt balancers 🤷‍♂️

That doesn't make them not balancers

[hard ivy]

That's why I am asking: what is this #screenshots message ?
Does its name suddenly change based on what it's connected to?

[unkempt blade]

...I don't have a clever name for balancers that use factory carts instead of conveyors but I'm soliciting ideas

[reef basin]

I'll try once again explain the situation:

You said that the definition of manifolds vs balancers should not include machines and items, but only how belts and splitters are built. I said that it gives cases where it's not possible to define it without knowledge of machines and items. One such case:

--S--S--S--S
  |  |  |  |

The main belt (-) is mk3, the side belts (|) are mk1. Input is top left, goes to right and down.

Is this a balancer or a manifold?

Now, for most cases it would work like a manifold, sure. Items overflow, yadda yadda. But when you run 240/min items into it and each machine needs exactly 60/min, it basically behaves like a balancer, so it could be said that it is a balancer (balances 240/min into 4x60/min)
_________

Hence why my definition of manifolds and balancers include what the setup is supposed to do, rather than the way belts are built

[upper gale]

Yeah we should make chat less hostile and more welcoming cuz we dont want people to dislike the community environment & we want everyone to play satisfactory the game we love

[plain gate]

what's the idea behind defining these terms so rigorously in the first place

[hard ivy]

It still relies on overflow tho. The splitter wants to split 50/50, but it can't due to to the belt being full

[mortal ginkgo]

old men doing reddit bickering

[hard ivy]

It's the same as if the machine was full

[mortal ginkgo]

nothing lost, nothing gained

[reef basin]

not due to being full. Due to belt speed

[hard ivy]

Still relies on overflow....

[reef basin]

but works instantly -> balancer

[rigid mist]

contemplating slooping my pasta how stupid of an idea is this

[dense violet]

it's not even tryign to rigourously define a thing. It's just trying to explain to someone that a manifold or a load balanced feed is intrinsicly part of how you've set up your machine feed.

and that you can have things like compressors or belt balancers in between point A and B that don't matter

[mortal ginkgo]

people should have thicker skin imho. this is internet, some people are just going to be an ass about one or two things.

loud minority does not define the majority where a helper can always be there.

you know whats more hostile to this community? This game's fluid mechanics

[hard ivy]

Go ahead, post that when someone asks for a balancer

I can call it load balancing, but this is not a fucking balancer

[remote plank]

how do i know if my train is docked

[plain gate]

😭

[plain gate]

the arm goes and grabs the container

[remote plank]

i havent placed that thing yet

[plain gate]

so you can't... really dock

[hard ivy]

It says docking when you enter the front locomotive

[remote plank]

im pressing f and it aint doing anythngi

[crisp edge]

it's the biggest detractor of this discord for me. people here are unecessarily condescending and hostile for no reason.

oh and lazy moderation. No voice channels or ability to screenshare and get live advice from other members, no text posts allowed in the screenshots channel so in order to comment on a screenshot we literally have to link it in the general chat, a couple other problems i can't remember right now. all of them boil down to 'we can't be bothered to moderate those features so they just don't exist'

[plain gate]

well you need to put the loading containers in

[remote plank]

to the station

[plain gate]

yes but nothing's gonna happen because the point of docking is to load the train and there's nothing to load

[remote plank]

when i hit the station it says press f to dock

[hard ivy]

Without cargo, it docks and undocks instantly, because there's no cargo to move

[remote plank]

ah

[upper gale]

When the liquid doesn't liquid

[reef basin]

It's very much a balancer for 240->4×60

[reef basin]

How would you moderate voice channels?

[reef basin]

As for your complaints about screenshots channel - that's exactly what the channel isn't for. If you want discussion with images, you have all the other channels like #1038092680493801533 or #math-and-meta

[hard ivy]

We've discussed balancers previously. And we've agreed on a definition. Which wasn't even close to that

[agile fern]

i think it's hostile when the lizard doggo just suddenly stops following you for 10 seconds so you have to walk all the way back to it and make them see you again

[upper gale]

I feel you. Wish it could be better but what can we do. I just try not to get too involved, and make some jokes here and there. There are some nice people though, just vibe I guess, for now

[mortal ginkgo]

you think thats bad? there are times that they fall through the ground and you might not ever know what happened!

[agile fern]

or when they suddenly walk sideways on edges

[agile fern]

they
ascended

they turned into those somersloop people

[crisp edge]

you wouldn't actively moderate them by having a mod present, you'd just use modmail and a bot that users can use to moderate their own channels. call of duty server has a great voice channel system. join channel that creates a temp vc that only exists as long as people are in it. as the owner of that channel you can pass ownership to someone else, set a channel topic, kick a user from the channel if they're being disruptive, block them from joining future voice channels created by you, and a few more optional features. for anything more severe members can use modmail to contact a mod.

the screenshots channel is not for full length discussions, i agree. that's why i call it lazy moderation. when people start using the channel as a general chat instead of 'wow man that base looks awesome, how'd you do that thing with the pillars?', it's up to a mod to redirect them. alternatively, enable threads if avoiding clutter is the issue. having to literally copy a message link to talk about a message in another channel isn't good UX

[mortal ginkgo]

Maybe 2 people who are talking about some silly stuff and refusing to have a common ground should talk in DMs?

I mean, they are the only two discussing it 😛

[plain gate]

if it's only a voicechat to troubleshoot issues then you don't really need to moderate it, as compared to one for discussion

[crisp edge]

like i said, lazy moderation. they could shut it down but they don't

[agile fern]

the the

encased industrial beam

[mortal ginkgo]

to be fair I like it to be "not so harsh". there is another "safe space" discord that I am in and you are not allowed to even have a simple arguement

[mortal ginkgo]

overrated recipe, screws are fine THERE I SAID IT BROTHERMAN

[crisp edge]

the concern is voice trolls and people being abusive in voice chat. the usual question is 'how do we kick someone spamming the sound board or blaring music or using slurs', and the answer is a vc bot

[agile fern]

screws are good
they just require like
extreme conveyor speeds

[crisp edge]

an argument that goes on for over an hour with only two participants in the main chat channel is not a discussion that needs to happen

[reef basin]

Mod called
Person A: person B played earrape
Person B: no I didn't

(Based on real and often occurring story from back when we had VCs)

How would your "no moderation" deal with that?

[agile fern]

i like
cast screw

[mortal ginkgo]

I agree. Maybe they should be mature enough to go DMs.

[glad drum]

#screenshots message --- I have finished THE STEEL CYCLONE --- I planned on (as you can see) bringing it all to the center and having a smaller cyclone in the middle to transport all the beams/pipes back down but I'm worried it's gonna be an eyesore... Do y'all have an idea for another way that maintains the cyclone-ness of my build? Other than just doing it all again in reverse.... (clipping isn't an option unless it's REALLY fun)

[mortal ginkgo]

I like it too. Its best recipe early game imho

[plain gate]

obs them playing ear rape next time and submit a ticket. i mean specifically, no active moderation

[crisp edge]

again, solved by using the bot that allows whoever created the temp vc to remove a user that is troubling them. it doesn't stop anyone from utilizing vc, just stops people from dealing with behaviors that they don't like

[upper gale]

Log it. If it happens again to other users, well, you have a few reports of this person

[glad drum]

I undervalued it at the start but it's a solid recipe for my playthrough this time around

[hard ivy]

Constant invigilation 🙃

[mortal ginkgo]

you dont need to make rods, which is a massive power boost for starter game, and space too if thats a thing

[agile fern]

if you are planning on using screws cast screw is nice and convenient

[shrewd palm]

genuinely how do you look at that and think anything but "this has to be torn down immediately"

[mortal ginkgo]

Steel Screws is amazing too to have beside the machine that asks for screws

[shrewd palm]

nice building tho i guess? very good at being painful to look at

[unkempt blade]

it's certainly no nails but it's pretty useful I guess

[glad drum]

It's beautiful and took a surprising amount of work! Looks a hell of a lot better than all the 90 degree microchip lookin' ass builds 😠 (spaghetti forever)

[reef basin]

Well they tried VCs and it didn't work. Very reasonably decided to scrap them. Making a personal VC takes like 10 seconds anyway

[mortal ginkgo]

ok now make another one

[shrewd palm]

microchip builds make brain happy

everything is nice and tidy

[glad drum]

They make mine happy too but I could only build like that once - all the power to anyone who does it though, it's still a very SATISFACTORY way to play the game - the INTENDED way to play, imo

[agile fern]

the pipe spaghetti looks like a water park somehow

[glad drum]

I... I can't do it - this took 2 days LOL I just wanna move on... and my iron plate production is only 10/min so that was brutal

[agile fern]

petroleum park?

[glad drum]

Soon... soon I shall bathe the world in oil spaghetti

[shrewd palm]

what are you even making

[unkempt blade]

it's glorious though, it needs a second one to be its friend

[crisp edge]

they didn't work because they didn't have them able to be moderated effectively. people abused them. i haven't just complained and not had a reasonable alternative. i'm here with a solution to the problem, which you've ignored the several times i've mentioned it after asking me directly what my solution would be, and taken the stance of 'oh well it didn't work before so there'. why bother engaging in discussion if you're not open to another point of view?

[glad drum]

The cyclone is literally just moving steel beams and pipes... just... to nothing. They'll be moved back down to the spaghetti factory for further use.

I just figured STEEL CYCLONE sounds really cool and they deserve a nice journey

[shrewd palm]

im looking forward to whatever eldritch horror you end up with in t5

[reef basin]

I am open, I'm typing on phone and can't reply and write fast enough

[glad drum]

Maybe in the future when I have something else to move around needlessly lmao

[rigid mist]

by my estimate each copper ingot is about 6.6 metric tons

[crisp edge]

wait what are you talking about lmao

[unkempt blade]

you need a HT cannon in the bottom of it so you can launch yourself straight up the middle of it and marvel at your creation

[glad drum]

mb replied to wrong person

[crisp edge]

that makes so much sense compared to that actually being @ me

[glad drum]

That's a great idea!

[reef basin]

As for your solution, I'm sure they considered it before. It's still more moderation work from people who do it in their free time

[agile fern]

not my average game player carrying an earth's mass worth of stuff around and running like they're nothing
ADA did mention something like a pocket dimension though so it should be alright

[glad drum]

Aluminum Sloop waterfall? uhh Silica mountain?

[reef basin]

If you think they are lazy, go apply for a moderator 🙂 I'm sure you'll see how much there's actually happening behind the scenes

[agile fern]

moderating is hard
whatever you do someone gets upset

[unkempt blade]

hard pass, I'm just here to spread the gospel of factory carts

[agile fern]

factory carts are good

[upper gale]

But they'd be too lazy to read the application, let alone promote you if you're good

[shrewd palm]

you should make a nuclear plant that circles around the entire map or something

[agile fern]

if only they can cling onto conveyor belts so i can make a roller coaster

[unkempt blade]

Yeah it's a shame they spin out so easily on belts. They're pretty fun with jump pads though

[agile fern]

you can use the big truck thing with jump pads too

[crisp edge]

maybe. i'm just saying that the reason i joined this discord in the first place was in hopes of finding people in vc's i could hop in with and hang out with. if i didn't like the vibe i could just dip and not feel bad. compare that to starting a private call with someone and not vibing with them and then i feel like an ass for bailing.

as for my comments on lazy moderation, for clarification: i am not calling individuals who moderate lazy. i'm sure they have a lot going on, and do a lot of things. I'm saying the way that they've chosen to moderate by excluding features simply because they represent a larger amount of effort to put in is lazy.

And I would apply to be mod, I really would, if I had the time. I've got 5 kids, a full time job, cheer practice for one daughter, drama club for another, one in daycare who needs picked up and dropped off, etc. I really don't have the time to be the referee in discord drama at all hours of the day

[agile fern]

i haven't tried incorporating jump pads to an autopilot path yet

[wind trout]

doing defrag videos in satisfactory with resonance grenades...

[agile fern]

maybe i should

[unkempt blade]

that's a lot of kids, do you need multiple factory carts when you take them to school?

[reef basin]

Current mods may have similar reasons why they pick the less optimal but less work way as you do 🙂

[agile fern]

boom box is good enough for me to replace the function of pulse grenades

[crisp edge]

i wouldn't, if my wife hadn't told her sister she could live with us. i have a 3 row SUV that has precisely enough seats to fit all of my FICSIT indentured servants--er, um i mean children, plus my automated sandwich maker--um, wife. But with my sister in law + her 2 kids we need multiple cars everywhere we go

[dim flint]

I swear my machines only idle when I'm not looking at them, then I stare and they work fine.

[agile fern]

you mean "sandwich assembler"

[upper gale]

It's like Toy Story

[crisp edge]

i think i meant constructor

[agile fern]

the one with 4 holes going in and one going out

[upper gale]

Quick, act normal - your factory machines when you look at them

[dim flint]

for real

[crisp edge]

manufacturer

[agile fern]

yes

[crisp edge]

space sandwich elevator assembly maker

[dim flint]

Making me think I need to get my eyes checked.

[agile fern]

save the lunch project

[crisp edge]

you do, your last exam was too long ago

[unkempt blade]

are condiments a liquid or a solid? you might need a blender to make a sandwich

[crisp edge]

fuck yes, someone gets it

[crisp edge]

depends on the condiment. ketchup and mustard can go in pipes. relish is a waste product of a refinery

[dim flint]

#math-and-meta message

No, it's actually weird...

[plain gate]

a suspension of solid particles in a liquid

[agile fern]

from what satisfactory has taught me you need
some arc welders and machanical arms
or a wrench and an oven

[leaden turret]

non-newtonian condiments

[agile fern]

for anything

[leaden turret]

(ketchup is non-newtonian, apparently)

[plain gate]

mayo and emulsified sauces are colloids, depends haha

[upper gale]

You might be sorta right though, some games use that trick for optimization. Fully rendering things you're looking at vs things you're not

[crisp edge]

this is the answer

[dim flint]

No, I think it's just slow. It did it again now.

[shrewd palm]

are you using a hoverpack

[dim flint]

But the outputs are empty and the inputs are full... I'm so confused.

[crisp edge]

hey we're discussing condiments right now, no troubleshooting at this time

[agile fern]

they do the psst-vrrrr-whee sound though

[crisp edge]

i've applied to be moderator and they approved it with the utmost efficiency in true FICSIT fashion

all i had to do was show them my 150 hours of playtime in august and they said i was qualified

[leaden turret]

discuss which condiments go best with and to keep it on-topic

[dim flint]

Yes... why?

[upper gale]

And then you sloop it and it sounds evil

[dim flint]

😭

[crisp edge]

slooping condiments just doesn't sound right

[agile fern]

somerslooped machines sounds evil

[shrewd palm]

theres a bug with hoverpacks and switches on the power grid. if you fly to a different grid it will make some machines go idle for a little bit, afaik the only way to fix it is to remove switches from the grid

its a bug thats been around for a while and im not sure if the devs have said anything about fixing it

[dim flint]

That's horrifying. Though I've been standing still and it has still been happening every like 30 seconds or so.

[shrewd palm]

it was doing that at my nuclear plant too

[dim flint]

Woh, relogging caused a E015 Session Creation Failure... WTF.

[shrewd palm]

really not good because i was backing up on waste from the machines turning off

[agile fern]

flush nuclear waste into the HUB toilet

:3

[upper gale]

1 for jetpack 0 for hoverpack

[agile fern]

jetpack is pretty nice
you can get them earlier than hoverpack

[crisp edge]

2 for jetpack if you get it from johnny

[shrewd palm]

regular fuels kind of suck tho, they only get good once you get to turbofuel

[crisp edge]

the vertical do be suckin tho

[white dawn]

Yeah, better than nothing, though

[shrewd palm]

true

being able to go up really changes the game

[agile fern]

they can be used for exploration but i guess you can also use hoverpack for that by building power towers along the way

[upper gale]

@unkempt blade forgot about parachute but we respect the chute

[agile fern]

ladders
ladders everywhere

[agile fern]

-# solid biomass

[shrewd palm]

truly the best fue;

[distant pulsar]

There was a person here doing a biomass only playthrough

They estimated it would take them about a month to finish the game iirc

[dense violet]

There’s been a few

[agile fern]

mass deforestation >:3

[shrewd palm]

i think their sanity is dubious at best

[dense violet]

They failed to consider turning pigs into uranium rods then

[distant pulsar]

Lol

If only you could farm the hogs

[dense violet]

Sloop pig meat into bio coal, convert it all into rods

Still just biomass

[shrewd palm]

they respawn fairly quickly tho dont they?

[dense violet]

And with sloops you only need to kill 1 every few minutes for enough power

[shrewd palm]

if you're not building over their spawns

[distant pulsar]

This is elite ball knowledge ngl

Next time someone suggests I'll recommend this

You will have very brief lots of power

[shrewd palm]

and doesnt 1 nuclear hog have more energy in it than a uranium fuel rod or something

if you sloop everything

[dense violet]

Oh you can do small amounts of hunting and pretty easily get SOLID nuclear power from pigs

[crisp edge]

whoever decided what shape to make the sloops? coolest dev born in the late 80s/early 90s ever. whoever decided to call it a sloop? fuck that guy in particular lmao

[distant pulsar]

what should it have been called

[crisp edge]

man, a guy can't ever have an opinion around here without someone needing him to justify it or offer an alternative. it just sounds weird okay

[distant pulsar]

I think it kinda makes sense its a S in a loop

apparently there's an official name for it's the "Cool S"

[crisp edge]

do you not recognize the 6 line s?

[distant pulsar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_S#:~:text=The symbol is widely associated,of Stussy's Californian surf company.

[shrewd palm]

the universal s

[coral glacier]

Plutonium Reactors is the answer to all your problems.

[crisp edge]

yes, this is something we used to draw in middle school on our binders and book covers and shit

[shrewd palm]

everyone has come up with it at one point or another

[shrewd palm]

im using plutonium rods as fuel for my drone network rn

and i've got ionized fuel for my jetpack

i love endgame stuff 💯

[coral glacier]

How many reactors? :)

[distant pulsar]

I have a satisfactory meme idea please hold

[shrewd palm]

When I let the fuel rod production go all the way up there’s enough for 100 reactors

[coral glacier]

Not enough reactors

[distant pulsar]

#satisfactory-memes message

[shrewd palm]

But I’m having issues with waste so I’ve left a few offline

[coral glacier]

Why don't you have a ficsonium "dump" facility?

You could process the plutonium waste into ficsonium fuel and do away with your waste

[shut valley]

could someone take a quick gander at what im doing wrong here please lol
#screenshots message

[shrewd palm]

Gonna need the resources for other stuff although we’ll see how it goes, I’m just sinking the plutonium rods for now

[dense violet]

You need a water extractor

Pumps just give headlift

[shut valley]

ahh alright lol

thanks :)

[crisp edge]

is there an 'always daytime' mod??

[shrewd palm]

Ficsonium would be nice but my performance is already bad enough around my nuclear plant

[shut valley]

https://tenor.com/view/pod-racing-pod-race-anakin-star-wars-gif-14869284

embed failure
laugh at this user

[upper gale]

Supernatural Shape - shortened, we call it a "SUS"

[dense violet]

You’re not the first to have this issue and you won’t be the last 🙂

[remote plank]

water extractors also come with 10m head of pressure

[shut valley]

is the best way to get up a sheer cliff across a lake at this stage just like a connected conveyer lol

[shrewd palm]

actually now that i think about it fisconium might be a fun challenge

[white dawn]

Foundation Ramps can be zooped. Catwalks can be unlocked from the AWESOME shop. Power Towers + Ziplines should be within reach too, I think

[shrewd palm]

don't know where i'd put all the reactors tho

[shut valley]

ah sweet cheers

[shrewd palm]

i'd get another 360GW which would be cool

[white dawn]

(A lot of folks like ladders, but IMO catwalks are a lot better)

[sleek delta]

satisfactory is literally the first time i ever saw cool S

[white dawn]

Keep in mind that the power efficiency of Ficsonium is rough; if you're getting 360GW from your Ficsonium-fed NPPs, you're spending probably nearly 240GW of that just to make the Ficsonium itself

[sleek delta]

i guess you need to have been born in a white country to participate in society or something

[shrewd palm]

fine with me, i'll have over a terrawatt once i get some augmenters

[shut valley]

#screenshots message
if its stupid but it works it isnt stupid

[distant pulsar]

That machine is looking pretty SUS its producing 2x as much as it should

[white dawn]

I'm personally fond of Ficsonium, but it's not gonna be a game-changer for your power grid. :)

[shrewd palm]

now for finding the best dark matter crystal/residue recipes

i think im gonna build in the spire coast

probably going with oil diamonds

[viral oriole]

I need to get going on Ficsonium but keep losing motivation/focus

[distant pulsar]

it's been passed down as secret "look at this" knowledge in the margins of school assignments around age 7-11 since at least the late 80s

[shrewd palm]

now is 5k SAM worth using or should i get the dark matter residue from a byproduct

[shut valley]

is 6 coal gens like a feasible amount to start with considering i just unlocked the tech

[shrewd palm]

if i do that i'll only have like 2k left to work with for space elevator parts

[distant pulsar]

Yes totally fine

[upper gale]

By the way, if you look closely there's a terrain ramp in the back of the picture. I usually use that ramp whenever I'm in this area

[distant pulsar]

8 is theoretical optimal

[shut valley]

i do, im just too impatient to go all the way around lol

[shrewd palm]

i'll have to automate a lot of stuff before getting into fisconium tho

t5 is so complicated 😭

[viscid bobcat]

satisfactory or stellaris

[shrewd palm]

everything feeds into everything and then cycles back to the start of the system through byproducts

[frozen shoal]

Just thought I'd say this update is shit

The last two updates ha e done nothing it crash the game after those stulid ass warnings about playing more than 2 hours

[viscid bobcat]

play for 3 hours

[frozen shoal]

How about less wokenness on video games. We are tired of your idealogy circed on us normal people

[viscid bobcat]

bro what

go back to sleep grandpa

[wintry wharf]

got extra inventory slots from mam before heavy oil residue alternate wtf

[viscid bobcat]

the game doesnt crash on purpose if you play for 2 hours

thats just a bug

[shut valley]

interaction bait or low iq
call it

[wintry wharf]

can i not get the recipe till tier 7???

[viscid bobcat]

high iq super high iq

hes busted the block on us liberal sissies

[shut valley]

true...

[wintry wharf]

can anyone help me?

[viscid bobcat]

god what were we thinking forcing the wokennes on those normal people

[shut valley]

just stop talking about the factories guys its too woke 😔

[wintry wharf]

I NEED HELP PLEASE

[shut valley]

sorry unc im like 6 hours in

[upper gale]

Did you unlock oil in the hub yet?

[viscid bobcat]

none of us have made it to tier 7 bro

you're the most advanced here

[wintry wharf]

yeah im finished with tier 5 and 6 but cant get the heavy oil residue alternate

[shrewd palm]

just gotta get lucky i think

[wintry wharf]

i cant get any more alternates

im getting offered inventory slots

[wind trout]

inventory slots can be offered at any time

is it available as a choice on a drive you have banked?

[wintry wharf]

i rerolled it and got the same thing

[wintry wharf]

nope

[upper gale]

Yeah weird, pretty sure you're supposed to be able to get it by now

[wintry wharf]

thats what i thought

[upper gale]

Could take a look at this post dunno https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1g3van2/well_into_phase_4_and_cant_find_alt_heavy_oil/

[viral oriole]

System issue??

[peak wasp]

@mint coral love the build!

[viscid bobcat]

nice i love satisfactory I have to revamp my entire factory that I spent 4 hours building after 1 hour of production

just so I can produce motors

[peak wasp]

it's worth it 🙂

[viscid bobcat]

i cant take it anymore

[upper gale]

Uh oh motors

I usually dedicate a separate thing just for motors

Can't pull from my factory for that otherwise it will produce very slow

[viral oriole]

Unfortunately you either need to plan ahead or use the first playthrough as a learning guide

[viscid bobcat]

wow ok

[shrewd palm]

this is going to be one hell of a project

[viscid bobcat]

so i just screwed myself over huh

[shrewd palm]

praise be to satisfactory tools, no way would i have ever figured this out in modeler

[viscid bobcat]

by not planning

you know what i dont even need planning

ill just freeball it

lets see how far I can get

[viral oriole]

That is what I did haha

[upper gale]

Spaghetti is always an option (don't do it)

[rigid glen]

In truth, you need a minifactory making rotors, one for stators and one for motors, etc, it's how you progress by automating more and more

[viral oriole]

If you give room around projects you can improve them and increase then divide output

[rigid glen]

No really, don't do it lol

[crisp edge]

Personally i'm really enjoying modeler, i like working through the chain on my own so i understand it better

[viscid bobcat]

I cant just put a line of assemblers and make stators and motors?

I already have my rotors ready

[wintry wharf]

picked up 2 recipes
got the 2 ones i didnt pick
re rolled
got 1 recipe and inv slots

[shrewd palm]

imo its better than tools for small scale things

[viral oriole]

You can do that

I did similar for each type of item

[crisp edge]

yeah i can see how tools might be better for mega factory if you're looking for quicker flowchart

[rigid glen]

There are many ways to play

[crisp edge]

you can get inv slots from hard drives?

[rigid glen]

yes

[viscid bobcat]

spaghetti

[rigid glen]

boooooo

[upper gale]

Damn, by this point I'd just make a regular fuel setup without the alts, and maybe leave room to edit it later if you happen to get the alt later

[shrewd palm]

damn this factory uses up the entire world for sam

[coral glacier]

Is there a way to remove unharvest able foliage from the game?

[wintry wharf]

im not joking
i built the entire factory thinking i had it
when i had the opposite one 😭

[shrewd palm]

nobelisk

[upper gale]

b o m b s

Yeah that

[shut valley]

do you know how many water pumps are needed to support 8 lol

[upper gale]

I was surprised, you can blow up the really tall mushrooms in the mushroom crater. And here I was building around it

[rigid glen]

coal generators?

[shut valley]

yes

[shrewd palm]

3:8

[shut valley]

ily

i have been playing too much drg recently 😭 just hit my b key to rock and stone

[rigid glen]

Yes, 120 coal into 8 generators need 3 water extractors feeding a manifold loop

[shrewd palm]

ROCK AND STONE

[rigid glen]

repeat adnauseum

[shrewd palm]

there might be a problem if i go to ficsonium

[shut valley]

i, of course, know what a manifold loop is
could you show others however where to learn what that is 🙂

[rigid glen]

lol one second, I'll show you a pic of mine

[shrewd palm]

i will not have enough sam for BWDs or biochemical sculptors

im too tired for this i think i'll have to figure it out in the morning

[shut valley]

ahh i see

[rigid glen]

#screenshots message

Basically, the pipe is being fed from three points, 1 in the middle and 1 one each end. The generators technically need more than the pipes hold

but because it's constantly being used and refilled, it works out

[shut valley]

so its extractor, gen gen gen gen, extractor, gen gen gen gen, extractor ?

[rigid glen]

if you can't set the generators on the same floor lvl as the extractors, or close to it, then just add a pump to the three feeder pipes

[shut valley]

ok sweet thanks for the help :D

[dense dragon]

Can someone tell me how to report about 11 or notes not being on the map?

[rigid glen]

Very welcome

[shut valley]

is the scp in your name related to the foundation btw lol

[rigid glen]

Nope, just a coincidence

[shut valley]

ah alr lol

[shrewd palm]

might have to do 1 space elevator part at a time but we ball

[rigid glen]

Open a ticket at https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/

[rigid mist]

Wait a minute you can do N:5 by doing a half assed version and then doing a 5:5 at the end

Oh but then you would have to split to 5 hmmmm

[obsidian hinge]

Hey I'm having an issue with particle effects... and I have since 1.0. Never a problem in pre-1.0 SF. Basically I "have" particle effects, like exhaust from foundries, etc. but they're insanely limited. Like one little black poof every ten seconds, it looks terrible. Is there some hidden setting in UE console I need to flip? Every single thing I can possible set to max is maxxed.

[atomic notch]

ficsit burns efficiently

[obsidian hinge]

I'm about to file this under the """bug""" where I have to set r.streaming.poolsize 0 every time I start the game because otherwise my textures end up looking like minecraft

[rigid glen]

You can def open a new question on here, maybe someone has seen it, and also open an official ticket with the devs at https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/

make sure for the forum post here you give as much info as you can like specs, error reports etc

[obsidian hinge]

Didn't 1.0 have an engine upgrade

Because that'd probably explain the poolsize, and why I hate UE

[white dawn]

I think there may have been a minor update, but the move to UE5 happened during Update 8

[obsidian hinge]

TBH I actually am not entirely sure how much of U8 I played. Lots of U7, I know.

[mortal ginkgo]

I just checked Alien Power Matrix, and it is literally ridiculous.

Thats all. Ty for reading.

[coral glacier]

Alien Power Augmenters are fun :D

Screws

[abstract heron]

poke

[wintry wharf]

it appears
WEIRDLY
it was locked behind rail signal research

[upper gale]

Wow that's crazy, glad you finally got it though!

[wintry wharf]

yeah
super odd

[mortal ginkgo]

they look amazing and I want to have 2 of them with matrix supported but that thing asks so many weird things its not even funny

[abstract heron]

@unborn gyro 16,937 hrs on record

[remote plank]

whats the most complex mechanic on this game

[hollow vector]

hes a gearhead rustbucket wireback!1!

[abstract heron]

Working on DD factory atm

[hollow vector]

never mind i hate you now (no)

[narrow canyon]

Don't recall pasta being that bad.. o0

[hollow vector]

not my 7810204th sacrafice

[rustic hare]

@shut valley you could use straight mode for the conveyors running from the constructor to the merger?

[hollow vector]

https://tenor.com/view/lunaistabby-cat-silly-gif-18412871428528214483

[shut valley]

true, good point

[narrow canyon]

O0. Lol, why would anyone want to do that.

[prime jasper]

Or you could build a better power plant AND finish the game?

[last jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

oops, no embeds.

[coral glacier]

They do look cool i agree, and also about the weird item asks.
It does help with power production if you get a few up and running though

[rustic hare]

is spending 800+ hrs in one save not normal?

[boreal musk]

theres someone with 2.7k hrs save out there

[ripe basin]

Good morning guys

[shut valley]

@rigid glen what tier of belt do you use to draw coal in?
#screenshots message
(sorry for all the pings)

[boreal musk]

kinda the opposite of me, every save i always reach phase 5 in under 100

even when i took my time

my fastest was 50hrs

[hidden sparrow]

Im only at 700 !

Bigger is the only one that apply to me

Honestly satisfactory for me isnt about compleating the game, like i did and it was cool, but i then just rolled it back

[shy mulch]

Everyone gets their dopamine from different things. That's what makes the game so good. Do things the way that makes you happy

[hidden sparrow]

Me creating horrors beyond my own comprehension yet still working for uknown reasons :

[tiny orbit]

Is this game a shooter

I just bought because my friend said it is

[shy mulch]

Saw the comment earlier about Kibitz with 800 hours on one save. Surely it's way more than that. 800 seems like majorly lowballing for the work he puts in

[coral glacier]

Josh every time he uploads a video:

[shy mulch]

It can be a bit if you want it to be, or you can turn that off, it's not really the main focus

[coral glacier]

Hostile dmg: 250%

Equipped with Nuclear Bombs

[tiny orbit]

I thought it was like cs go

[boreal musk]

this is an automation factory game

[shy mulch]

What gave you that impression. It's a factory building game that has a few aliens dotted around that sometimes try to eat you while you're building

[tiny orbit]

My friend said it was

And he have 900 hour

I think I got wrong game

[hidden sparrow]

I honestly have a worst worst than josh's

[boreal musk]

so you just bought the game without checking what it is?

[shy mulch]

Then either you or him has misunderstood

[hidden sparrow]

Its a factory building game

[tiny orbit]

Makes sense, I was trying to find ranked mode

What is a stinger, is that the big bean thing

[stone python]

your friend was pulling your leg

[shy mulch]

I sense that @tiny orbit is trolling us

[tiny orbit]

Ok

[hidden sparrow]

Even if hes trolling its pretty funny

[tiny orbit]

How when

How rifle

What level thing do I need to upgrade

Space elevator

[coral glacier]

Worse than the piping for his nuclear reactors, including the cocoon?

[tiny orbit]

Which level elevator

[coral glacier]

You mean the, Elev-ADA?

[hidden sparrow]

Yup

[coral glacier]

That's bad

[shy mulch]

@shut valley why have the input coming from storage, feed it straight from the miner into the smelter then into the splitter for constructors, avoid manually feeding them, you won't need any storages and it'll be fully automated

[tiny orbit]

Ok

[hidden sparrow]

Thats an OLD image, its worse now #screenshots message

[coral glacier]

I love organization, but the thing is, when i look at Josh's builds, i don't look on only in disgust, but in same proportion of amazement that he gets anything to work is amazing.

And yes, i did use "Amazing" twice.

[boreal musk]

remember, most of his progress were before fluid was a thing

it would take him twice longer to reach nuclear

[coral glacier]

"HOW MANY TIMES DO WE NEED TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON OLD MAN!"

There we go, haha

[coral glacier]

I want to Vomit.

I'd like to imagine Josh would do it worse, and what he shows us is only a fraction of his insanity.

[boreal musk]

his limitations is the game itself

[coral glacier]

Thank goodness the world border exists

[boreal musk]

considering how optimized the game currently is compared to when he played years ago, his new one will be even worse

[coral glacier]

I once saw a comment on a yt short about someone making an organized factory, and they said that when they look at something organized and not conveyor spaghetti, it hurts their eyes.

It's like living in a landfill, and then being introduced into a clean home.

[coral glacier]

On one hand: "Yay, Josh is making the game suffer because the devs will improve the performance!"
On the Other hand: "Brace Yourselves."

[hidden sparrow]

Im limiting myself to the plains, and since im starting to run out of space, i just build upward. The only exeption is the nuclear dump which is in the red forest

[coral glacier]

Nuclear dump?

Just build ficsonium reactors and then waste go poof

But on a serious note, Ficsonium reactors are so useful for deleting waste especially when considering the drastically low amount of reactors required per whatever Plutonium reactors you have set up.

[hidden sparrow]

I dont have enough sam to do my 200 ai expantions servers and twice the normal amount of nuclear reactors possible in a world

[boreal musk]

but also expensive af in that regard

[coral glacier]

How many reactors do you have?

[boreal musk]

converting copper into uranium is far less expensive for more power gain compared to ficsonium

[coral glacier]

UrAAA-

[boreal musk]

the power balance in 1.0 is really fucked lol

[coral glacier]

PluTOOOO-

[hidden sparrow]

Currently only around 80, but im already making all the uranium in the world into power rods, and ive seen that i have enough SAM to create an other 2100 uranium, so the same amount as naturally

[sturdy jacinth]

me when my 2gb PATCH takes 30 minutes

[hidden sparrow]

Im gonna convert the waste into plutonium waste too

[coral glacier]

Fun Fact: All three reactor fuel types have Four Syllables

Ur-a-ni-um
Plu-to-ni-um
Fic-so-ni-um

[hidden sparrow]

I say it as ur a nium

[coral glacier]

And then Ficsonium so you won't have a buildup of plutonium...... right?

[coral glacier]

Is that French or Latin?

[undone kestrel]

Yeah but then you have waste

[hidden sparrow]

Nah the red forest will become green

[hidden sparrow]

French

[coral glacier]

[boreal musk]

sink the plut rod, easy no waste system

[undone kestrel]

Boring tho

[hidden sparrow]

Im planning on making 200 ai expansion servers a minute, i aint have enough sam

[coral glacier]

[hidden sparrow]

But ur wasting precious plutonium power tho

Who care about the waste

[coral glacier]

You make me angry.

[hidden sparrow]

Just one more bin and you're good

[chilly tusk]

hello

[boreal musk]

who cares, my max uranium plant and rocket facility already plenty enough for all my needs

and just storing plut waste is not hard either if i want

quick bp and im good for the next 5000 hours

[coral glacier]

#MakePlutoniumBurnRate1200/pm

And don't say

Kidding, :P

what

[hidden dune]

I'm with my friends started a new game and we FINALLY got coal generators

How make coal generators to not break our factory fast

Water issue

Some generator can't get enough water

[shut valley]

true, im restructuring my entire setup to accomodate the 8 coal engines i set up

[hidden dune]

You can call me garlic

That's alright

[shut valley]

stuff will be far more clean and cut once i get that done

[hidden dune]

I've already had completed the game one time for me it's second new game. In my first game I had a lot of headache because of coal generators

[hidden sparrow]

Just add more pipes

[hidden dune]

Installed 4 particle gas pedals on platforms next to well and held copper powder along with cubes for nuclear paste

With nuclear paste I had no problems

[hidden sparrow]

4 bajillions copper

[hidden dune]

I play satisfactory because it's my relaxing game

Also I love making screenshots here with new photo mode

[smoky forge]

relaxing, yeah

[ripe basin]

What the fuck is that

[hidden sparrow]

Factory ish

[ripe basin]

What does -ish mean?

[hidden sparrow]

Kinda

[ripe basin]

Understandable

[hidden sparrow]

Kinda a factory

And its only gonna get worse !

[lofty juniper]

logged on then i see bug fixes, Wait they didnt fix the hyper tube cannon

[vale grotto]

Huh, just did the rough math on my endgame factory. I'll be needing 7200 copper ingots/min for just ONE of the elevator parts

guess im building big this time around !!

[hidden dune]

[boreal musk]

copper powder alt when