satisfactory

[hard ivy]

Oh, you will

Also, just let the container fill up?

Like it doesn't matter

[signal shale]

oh I will, eventually, but by the time I need another stack, thee factory will have made that and more.

[frail sleet]

Practically it does a little bit, as a smaller container allows for auto sinking past X amount. What we have right now is either never sink, or buffer to 24+ stacks and then sink after.

[signal shale]

^

[frail sleet]

so in the early game, either you put no buffer and run out, or you put a container and nothing sinks because it's not full yet

you can work around it by using a long belt as a "storage" of arbitrary size, but putting the materials preferentially on that belt without smart splitters requires a janky setup.

[hard ivy]

You can also just fill the container with junk

Until depots, it's not really an issue

[frail sleet]

you can, i guess the easiest way is to split stuff into 23 stacks of 1 and jam them in

but it is more awkward than it has to be

good avenue for improvement i think!

[knotty walrus]

anyone got the main menu background isolated from the main menu? I want it to be my desktop background but I want the animated version so I can have an animated desktop

[atomic gale]

how many machines should i expect to be able to fit into an area before i get frame drops?

[frail sleet]

It depends on the CPU/RAM and also how densely they are packed, but generally 100 isn't an issue. 1000+ can be if you jam them into a small 3 dimensional area.

When building mostly in 2 dimensions, most buildings tend to be further away from you and out of your high-LOD range so it doesn't hurt performance nearly as much.

When smushing as much stuff together as you can into cube blueprints and stacking them, it can hurt.

[dense violet]

really depends on the quality of your graphics and your computer and when the last time you cleaned it is

[knotty walrus]

what they said

[dense violet]

also depends what you consider a 'drop'

[atomic gale]

i have a 7950x so pretty solid

and enough to visually lag

[shrewd palm]

tldr build up and not around

[wicked nacelle]

When the last time you "cleaned it:"? Cobalt just says random stuff

[atomic gale]

i have a few hundred and it seems fine but im just starting to expand it

im also using linux/wine and vulkan so idk how that impacts it

[frail sleet]

7950x will be extremely dependant on RAM performance / OC

[atomic gale]

my ram is pretty fast

[scarlet nexus]

can anyone tell me if Smart! or powersuit ever got updated for 1.0?

[atomic gale]

and i was having issues a bit back but it was because firefox had a memory leak D:

so yeah i can tell ram matters

[frail sleet]

mostly speaking custom OC like, you can see at least 25% and maybe 40% gains from setting memory timings manually (outside of xmp/expo)

[atomic gale]

i cbf to do that lol, it seems fine, i was wondering if there was a ballpark estimate if max number of machines in an area

[frail sleet]

yeah 1k i guess

[atomic gale]

im planning on making a very massive factory, like 1/4 of the map wide

[frail sleet]

If it's 10% of the map away, it doesn't really affect your performance much.

https://i.imgur.com/H71SMSI.png - i labeled this lategame but it's "just" late P4. A lot smaller than my current world.

[atomic gale]

is there a way i can tell when things are outside of some computational distance?

[frail sleet]

your CPU would be Zen 4 standard, with memory probably closer to the red bar

[frail sleet]

they visually swap to lower detailed models with slower update rates

[atomic gale]

ah i already have kinda low quality settings, does that help? or is the cpu stuff to do with animations

[frail sleet]

Also, Satisfactory supports reflex and framegen so the experience in my view is much better with that enabled, especially if you can do 4x. You get the full 2-4x multiplier if CPU bound, and a much smaller latency penalty.

[frail sleet]

The graphics quality settings don't seem to affect it much, other than maybe view distance which controls LOD

[atomic gale]

ok so interesting question, would i benefit from a zen3 cpu with tons of memory bandwidth?

a 7r13

[frail sleet]

It's mostly latency bound, but no, because no zen3 CPU's have tons of memory bandwidth.

The CPU's with like 64 cores are actually 8x8 designs, where each 8 cores has access to 1/8'th of the mem BW

[atomic gale]

well this is a server cpu so it's got quad channel memory which helps

[frail sleet]

It doesn't because the cores running the game can't access half of the memory bandwidth

[atomic gale]

ah

[frail sleet]

You could run the game half on one set of cores and half on the other set, but then those cores can't talk to each other or share data at any kind of reasonable speed, so it reduces performance more than it gains

[atomic gale]

honestly im mostly concerned with power usage lol

[frail sleet]

more L3 is the best solution. I've measured +62% perf going from 32MB to 96MB of L3 on a CCX, even when that came with a slight clock speed reduction and latency increase.

[atomic gale]

i run my stuff off of solar during the day and it pulls like a kw to run this game lol

vs 200w or so

[frail sleet]

that is probably mostly graphics

i have maxed OC on a more power hungry CPU and RAM and they pull 140w between them ingame, tops

[atomic gale]

Caches (sum of all):
L1d: 1.5 MiB (48 instances)
L1i: 1.5 MiB (48 instances)
L2: 24 MiB (48 instances)
L3: 192 MiB (6 instances)

how much cache is enough cache lol

[atomic gale]

do you measure it?

[frail sleet]

Yes, but not at the wall so there is a bit more inefficiency in the cpu VRM and PSU. But they should be <200w

[atomic gale]

https://i.imgur.com/XqCq35Z.png

how do you measure it?

[frail sleet]

Same problem. Cores running the game can only access 1/6'th of the cache

[frail sleet]

sensors

[atomic gale]

?

[lost wagon]

I found a cool hypertube cannon blueprint, but it's not that inclined so it doesn't shoot you as high, kinda sad

[shrewd palm]

you can change it so that its better

[cunning glade]

#screenshots could someone help me with pipes please

[frail sleet]

Modern CPU's and GPU's give highly accurate realtime power reporting which can be read from popular programs. I don't know any on Linux.

[atomic gale]

i've never seen them be as accurate as reading from power providing equipment

im measuring from my UPS, battery pack, and solar input

(proper power equipment)

[cunning glade]

I'm so confused

[distant pulsar]

"I'm running into power problem with satisfactory" Ah yes we know very common

[atomic gale]

ik there are linux programs for it but they read from cpu registers which can tell you what your cpu is using, but not the actual system

[frail sleet]

They don't include literally everything, and (for CPU) they don't include inefficiency in the VRM and PSU, so they are a little low. But they're not massively low, that error is typically 10-20%. If it reads 120w PPT it's not going to be 200w.

On the graphics card side, Nvidia does include VRM losses and their board power is like 98% of the actual power.

[atomic gale]

lol

[distant pulsar]

"No I'm running the game using solar power and it's overcast so my PC isn't getting enough power" Oh

[atomic gale]

lol it's on a 4kwhr battery so i can handle less sun but it sucks

[atomic gale]

interesting, i have an amd card and i can see estimated power usage but it doesn't seem that accurate

also a lot of the "gpu" related power is actually from monitors

[frail sleet]

Radeon is substantially less accurate and tends to underestimate yeah

[cunning glade]

Are u still real I'm home now

[atomic gale]

i measure from my UPS which runs my desk so it's measuring my whole "desktop" usage

[frail sleet]

that is the best way

[distant pulsar]

Me personally I'm using one of those electric bikes that generates electricity to power my PC

[frail sleet]

It just requires external hardware, and doesn't give a breakdown or what pulls the power specifically

[atomic gale]

you can't generate a kw of electricity from one of those lol

[distant pulsar]

I'm getting very tired but my legs are so strong now

[frail sleet]

You can, just not for very long. And if i tried it i would die

[topaz shale]

Too bad I don't need to automate a ton of supercomputers other than for the space elevator and maybe some other unlocks.

[atomic gale]

yeah my starting point was the UPS, i added the solar stuff after and it's nice to comapre what i can see from my battery pack/solar charger to the UPS

[frail sleet]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4O5voOCqAQ

[cunning glade]

Anyone here know pipes

[atomic gale]

make 1200/minute anyways

[atomic gale]

lol yeah i was about to say "unless you're a world class athlete but you woudn't be here"

but even they could probably only run this game for a few minutes on serious hardware

[distant pulsar]

Is this an off-grid set up you're running?

[atomic gale]

kinda lol

i made the battery for a bit of fun

and also because i wanted to do it before tariffs hit D:

[tough shell]

I can only make about 500 watts on my bike lol

[atomic gale]

it's 12 prismatic LFP cells

the original idea was to make a bigger UPS for my server, one that could get me 6 hours of runtime

but then i made it and it ran it for like 16 hours so i run my desktop off of it too

[distant pulsar]

For the price of solar?

[atomic gale]

for LFP batteries

[warm phoenix]

Idk what to do with oil
i made ref. Fuel + plastic line but feel too far from anything to work with

[atomic gale]

and solar panels, but i got the battery going pretty fast, and then solar panels to power it were relatively cheap

i only have a ~1kw array

[atomic gale]

oil will be used aton

you'll need lots of plastic and rubber, at the least, and the fuel is much better than coal for power generation

[stray herald]

Just spent 70 more minutes trying to find hard drives with the alt recipe for steel... Turns out I already had it to begin with 😭 I'm about to cry

[tough shell]

I use solar too....on a good day I make about 25kW

[atomic gale]

my array is on wooden frames on the ground of my backyard lol

i rent so can't install on the structure, and the roof is tiled so it would be a nightmare anyways

[distant pulsar]

Ahh interesting

[tough shell]

That's my next step. Right now Mine are on the barn and house roofs

[granite ore]

hey so like, can anyone teach us how to use train signals/ if we would even need to use train signals?

[atomic gale]

tbh im kinda leaving them there for now because im in texas and it's hot AF

[shrewd palm]

put path signals on the entrance to intersections, blocks on the exit, blocks every 8 foundations or so, blocks at the entrance/exit to every train station

[warm phoenix]

How many hub i can make i forgot

[atomic gale]

and my idea for a "foundation" for the frames is digging holes for cinderblocks and putting 2x4's in those with cement

[tough shell]

I know nothing. I only started playing two days ago

[cunning glade]

So can fluids just not travel up a single meter even with a pump

[atomic gale]

they work "fine" on the ground but i miss a bit of sun and i can't walk in my backyard at all lol

it just gets super windy here so i hesitate to stnad them up without a real sturdy base

[distant pulsar]

So is it for fun or is there an ROI on your electric bill?

[tough shell]

just remember, they're more sail like than you think. A stout wind can yank post out of the ground

[atomic gale]

both, i do network engineering as my job and most of what i work with is power equipment

i saw the bills for some of the systems i work with and wanted to try to make better for less lol

like a 30kwhr UPS battery cabinet is like $30k

[shrewd palm]

block signals break the track into blocks where only 1 train can be in every block
path signals do the same thing, except more than 1 train can be in a block so long as they dont run into each other (only use them for intersections because they let more than one train pass through, otherwise just use regular block signals)

[tough shell]

I sell excess back to the grid.

[atomic gale]

i made a ~3.5kwhr battery for ~$500

my stuff is not grid tied, i have it on a transfer switch

[shrewd palm]

and also signals/tracks are buggy rn, sometimes a 4 way intersection wont work and sometimes the signals freak out around intersections. hope all this helps @granite ore !

[atomic gale]

i don't own the property so i wouldn't really be able to install that stuff anyways

i can run my battery pretty far past spec tho so it's like 4kwhr really

[granite ore]

they kept saying that they were looping into itself, i guess sure since youre the FIRST SIGNAL. mb mb

[tough shell]

I got my cells for free. Perk of working for a manufacturer

[distant pulsar]

Oh nice I've seen that

[atomic gale]

what kind of cell?

[distant pulsar]

Is that good I have no idea

[atomic gale]

and i can get lead cells from work but i don't wnat them lol

[atomic gale]

i think so

[distant pulsar]

What you should do is find a small piece of land in arizona and guerilla put solar pannels out there and then run wires all the way back into your rental unit

[atomic gale]

https://www.amazon.com/EF-ECOFLOW-Portable-Charging-Generator/dp/B0B9XB57XM

this is a similarly priced all in one unit

~1kwhr

the main cost is the cells, then the bms/inverter

beyond that, safety equipemnt and misc hardware

[tough shell]

SAFT spiral LFP. 500 Whr

[atomic gale]

like breakers, fuses, so on

[atomic gale]

spiral?

[distant pulsar]

Oh nice

[peak grove]

very confused, tier 2 belts move 120 per minute, im producing 2 machines with 50 screws per minute each, merging onto 1 belt, so 100 per minutwon the belt while consuming 250 screws per minute

why am I getting backlogged on screws

[tough shell]

Rolled cell. Looks like a BIG AA alkaline

[wise junco]

check all your belts, maybe a mk1 snuck in somewhere

[peak grove]

unless tier 2 merger is a thing?

[wise junco]

nope, merger is merger is merger

[feral geyser]

When you merge belts, the outgoing belt should be fastest

[shrewd palm]

splitters and mergers arent limited with how much items can pass through

i do wish we had priority mergers tho

[feral geyser]

We do

[atomic gale]

ah so not prismatic

[steady glade]

look at your belt, if your items seem to move slower than the belt's animation, a lower tier belt is somewhere

[shrewd palm]

we do?

where

[feral geyser]

1.1 thing, caterium research line

[tough shell]

Nope. Those were.....not available for free

[atomic gale]

what are the terminals like?

flat top?

[shrewd palm]

it says that i have the tree completed and the priority merger is not there

[feral geyser]

Uuuuuuhhhh, maybe quartz?

[cunning glade]

Hey smart man

[peak grove]

I can see the items speed up, then slow down just a touch out of the merger

[atomic gale]

batteryhookup com/products/gotion-3-2v-100ah-lifepo4-prismatic-cells

[shrewd palm]

that was it, ty

[atomic gale]

i've been eyeing these

[peak grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986817759956594741/1410790020100521995/image.png?ex=68b24c18&is=68b0fa98&hm=ad3befff6ef6814cb286f9b042c0b0bfd0b9a92502fe4abcf2c3fe9978928ad3&

but its all tier 2?

[feral geyser]

I know, I goofed, I corrected myself

[atomic gale]

$15 for 100ah cells 😄

[tough shell]

Both terminals on one end. Female threaded.....looking for a pic

[cunning glade]

Can u check screenshots and help me

I don't understand wtf is wrong

[hard ivy]

It's full

[atomic gale]

oh that's real nice

like m5 or m6? those would be kinda ideal for me

[peak grove]

yeah but im producing 100 items per minute on the row (post merge) and my merging conveyers are getting backlogged

while they are only pushing 50 items per minute

[feral geyser]

First off, excellent use of those foundations

[wise junco]

there is a belt off somewhere

[cunning glade]

Ty

I'm very proud of the build I need too get it too work

[atomic gale]

i think i legit spent more on nuts, bolts, grub screws, helicoils, taps, and stuff for my battery than the actual cells lol

[feral geyser]

But also, gen plugged in? Headlift okay?

[dense violet]

follow it backwards, see where the bottle neck starts

[atomic gale]

mine came with m4 terms which stripped out super easily

[hard ivy]

Are you consuming them fast enough?

[steady glade]

you can r-click a message, copy link, and paste here, makes it easier to refer to a message/pic

[cunning glade]

Yes the other 8 gens I have are all working fine

[feral geyser]

I always try to feed machines from above, and have a pipe flowing down into them

[cunning glade]

Theese 2 refuse too work

[cunning glade]

Yeah ik this looks better tho

[feral geyser]

Hmmmm, supply rates good?

[hard ivy]

Works worse tho

[tough shell]

Yep M6

[atomic gale]

very nice

[cunning glade]

It shouldn't be tho

[atomic gale]

must make it real easy to bus

[peak grove]

found it

the absolute last connecting conveyor to the assembler was t1

[cunning glade]

Oh it kicked on

[tough shell]

Super easy. Just rotate the cells however you want and bolt on the bar

[topaz shale]

At least I can hand feed everything I need to make the more advanced items.

[cunning glade]

It now has 22 fuel all of a sudden

[atomic gale]

do you use contact grease?

[dense violet]

trouble shooting 101, follow the issues backwards 🙂

[atomic gale]

i was not using it and my bms reads per cell were kinda horrible lol

[feral geyser]

Sometimes, it has to take time to fill pipes, and pipes fill roughly from lowest-to-highest, so yeah, it just took time to fill up to them. Especially if they're the last in line, they get fuel slowest.

[cunning glade]

Where can I find screenshots btw

[tough shell]

Nope. just copper bus bars on clean terminals. After torquing they get a spritz of conformal coating

[dense violet]

of what?

[cunning glade]

The game

[atomic gale]

do you have bms leads on each cell?

[feral geyser]

I always use photo mode and it has a button link to the folder

[dense violet]

oh your shots

[steady glade]

#screenshots

[atomic gale]

i did this first but it makes the readings kinda bad at times, like not a problem

[dense violet]

#faq

[signal shale]

So... another dumb minor thing that might be interesting would be being able to upgrade the Hab to have like 3 flower pots you can use to grow paleberries, beryl nuts, and/or bacon agaric

[atomic gale]

but i monitor it all and it makes watching it painful

after adding contact greaase i basically halved my differntial voltage read

[peak grove]

how am I suppost to make so many screws 😭

[steady glade]

in game, press p, tab and open screenshot folder

[atomic gale]

so ~20mv at 1kw load

which im very happy with, but it was up to about 50 without it

[atomic gale]

welcome to satisfactory lol

[tough shell]

Yes but they charge in parallel

[atomic gale]

really? what voltage are they?

most lfp is ~3.2v i thought

[feral geyser]

"Satisfactory"? More like, "GOOD LUCK WITH SCREWS"

[shrewd palm]

a priority should be to get recipes that don't use screws and avoid them whenever possible

[wise junco]

Screws are eeeeez

[shrewd palm]

they just clog up belts and there are recipes that are a lot easier to work with

[peak wasp]

Goood morning pioneers! Beautiful day today!
I hypertube around my base

[peak grove]

250 screws per minute when my best belt is 120 per minute should be illegal

iikm just trying to make reinforced iron plates 😭

[feral geyser]

You can clock the machine down

[peak grove]

huh

[feral geyser]

Or like the other said, use a different recipe

[peak grove]

very new I have like 1 alternative recipe

[feral geyser]

Ooooh, have you researched any power slugs yet?

[peak grove]

im like phase 1

[tough shell]

The same. Series parallel at 12V

[atomic gale]

12v per cell?

[feral geyser]

Go find some power slugs and research them and stuff in the MAM

[tough shell]

3.8

[shrewd palm]

you can go to the mam and research overlocking in the power slugs tree

[atomic gale]

ah interesting

[feral geyser]

You can clock machines down to run slower and use fewer Ppm

[atomic gale]

that's prety high for lfp

[shrewd palm]

that lets you play with how fast the machines run (tldr you can make them use/make more or less items)

[peak grove]

on it now lol

[cunning glade]

in ss i posted a photo of more of it since its working

however i see yellow

[peak grove]

also unrelated, whats the water pump ratio to coal generators? 1:2?

[wise junco]

my first playthrough i didn't underclock a single machine.. didn't try to match ratios... oh god the horror

[wise junco]

3:8

[feral geyser]

Do you need a FEET expert in your game? (Forward Exploration and Examination Team)

[tough shell]

Rated 3.8. Mine are factory seconds....I don't think I've seen sone above 3.6. Most are 3.4ish

[peak grove]

are you a feet expert?

[feral geyser]

I am some kind of expert 😏

[atomic gale]

interesting, why are they rejected?

[distant pulsar]

No more screws 2025

[peak grove]

lmao

working on the slugs rn

[distant pulsar]

Please sign the petition

[tough shell]

Mostly low capacity. Errors made during vacuum purge and electrolyte fill.

[dense violet]

just as a general thing, don't ratio machines to each other. They generally don't have a clean ratio and you can always clock things differently

do basic maths

[atomic gale]

ratio to belt

[distant pulsar]

Good news we got enough signatures and they've added alternate recipes to the game to skip screws altogether

[atomic gale]

interesting, how do you keep them all balanced?

[peak grove]

wait a minute I just realize can I clock the machines that need 25 iron ignots per minute to actually use the full 30

[atomic gale]

do ratios to saturate a belt, not to machine - machine

[dense violet]

sure. Or just clock one machine to consume the last

[wise junco]

you mean the 3-4 decimal place ratios i have in the build i just finished aren't clean!?

[dense violet]

don't even do that? figure out what your system youre making needs

[dense violet]

you just clock things to deal with decimals >.>

[tough shell]

Even though they're not perfect they all have performance certificate. I played mix and match until I found a bunch with similar specs

[cunning glade]

I don't think I made enough fuel gens

[atomic gale]

oh nice im not even sure if my cells are legit but i think they are lol

they outperform the specs

[cunning glade]

I only made half of the ones I needed neat

[tough shell]

You're using prizmatics? Do you know if they'e stacked, folded, square rolled?

[drowsy oyster]

By combining the right recipies it seems you can obtain infinite dark matter residue without inputting SAM.

I havent tested it properly yet, but it does seem like creating power shards and using the Dark Matter Trap recipe you are able to output more dark matter residue than you spend. Has anyone tested this or using it in their factories?

[atomic gale]

no idea

EVE LFP 105ah

[drowsy oyster]

Would be awesome to be able to minimize SAM usage due to how rare it is

[tough shell]

Yep stacked priz

About 3.3v?

[feral geyser]

3 extractors:8 coal gens

[atomic gale]

https://i.imgur.com/y912snP.png

[tough shell]

Looks about right. Need to add more cells man. Pretty wide 100% SOC plateau

[atomic gale]

3.2 nominal technically but yeah is around 3.3 mostly

yeah this was my first pack

i was mostly making it to learn and have been using the shit out of it lol

i kinda want to make one about 3x the size as a main pack and use this as a backup for just my desktop or something

i've been sketched about tariffs tho

i kinda got rekt and had to pay 50% tariffs or something on some sbc's i ordered in may i think

[tough shell]

yeah going whole house and essentially off grid was such a nice feeling to have

[atomic gale]

if i had to do that on a battery order it would SUCK

[tough shell]

Yeah...it'll settle down. Give it a year

[atomic gale]

apparently things are calm rn? but im still a bit worried

what i have rn is fine for ~12hr usage which is great for me

my cyber power UPSs only run for ~5-10 minutes if there is an outage

and suck power recharging because lead

i mostly use my UPSs as meters and redundant power supplies in a sense, alos i guess power filtering is nice with my cheap inverter lol

[tough shell]

funny I originally started working in battery chemistry because I saw the prices of BIG UPS'. I was running a print farm at the time and frequent power glitches was ruining the stuff

[atomic gale]

print farm?

and yeah kinda same, i was not that into it but got a job doing power monitoring

[tough shell]

3D printers

[atomic gale]

like for datacenters and stuf

mostly ones related to medical things

but they have a lot of UPSs

[tough shell]

ahh right on

[atomic gale]

and i saw the price and was BLOWN away

SE makes huge margins

~80% i think, at least on the hardware alone compared to sale prices

a ton of that goes into sales pockets tho

[tough shell]

as in commissions?

[atomic gale]

and most of their stuff is made with chinese hardware and a ton of the "smarts" parts of it are pieces of hardware made with entirely deprecated components

[atomic gale]

yeah more or less, most sales go through at least 2-3 layers

[atomic gale]

but i mean really, look inside most APC hardware and it's tech from 10+ years ago

[tough shell]

Yeah Saft had commissioned sales too..... It's a French company soooo...

[atomic gale]

i think SE is french based as well lol

but their hardware is like 200% chinese

[tough shell]

yep with a newer looking plastic box wrapped around it every two years

[atomic gale]

and a shocking amount is made with components which are no longer made, like they are working on stockpiles or something lol

[atomic gale]

the scary thing is the firmware on the nmcs....

i would really really hesitate to network any gear like that without careful consideration

that's part of why i made my whole system with my own "management" card

it's a radxa zero3e running gentoo lol

[tough shell]

I've never messed withNMC.

[cunning glade]

Is it bad too have an extra power gen too eat fuel just too make sure Hor doesn't backup

[atomic gale]

it's what is used to get stats and manage APC gear

the ethernet interface more or less

[tough shell]

Oh I thought you mean Nickel Manganese Cobalt

[atomic gale]

nah lol

[tough shell]

lol

[atomic gale]

network management card

[tough shell]

gotcha

[atomic gale]

also the funny thing is that SE/APC owns modbus

a pretty neat protocol but basically absent from any security

kinda the trend for stuff from those brands

honestly pretty good equipment, but like not nice if you care about security or good management

[tough shell]

I know precisely dick about networking. I can terminate CAT wire and ask Chat GPT how to do stuff... bout it

[atomic gale]

most networking in this sense is plain signals and some differential signaling

like dry contacts/gpio

and rs485 or ethernet

rs485 has NO security

it's long distance uart more or less

but also meant for busses so multiple devices

you can easily add a "sniffer" on something like that

[tough shell]

Most I get into is I2C, Uart, Can bus, and whatever RS flavor whichever of my bikes wants to speak in

[atomic gale]

modbus/rs485 is super common for industrial control and this sort of stuff, it's often used in the backend even if you don't directly access it

it's pretty simple as well, i wrote my own drivers for it to learn about it

https://github.com/desultory/mpy-modbus/blob/main/modbus_rtu.py

it's basically raw rs485 with some timing and crc if you want

[tough shell]

Thanks but I'd have no use for it.

[atomic gale]

but you cna mostly use it with uart

especially with adapters that manage it at a hardware level

the thing is plain rs485 is half duplex

so you need something to manage when you are in send mode

that is why the timing is important

and if you want to interface with things at any point, you'll probably find that modbus is pretty common

[tough shell]

I'm just using the BMS' that came out of our Evo Lion systems....

and about 40 USB cables lol

[atomic gale]

lol

my BMS and solar mppt both do modbus communication

that's how I track stats, I have 2 uarr to rs485 transceivers wired up to a sbc

[tough shell]

I have four 12 port USB hubs plugged into a pi4 lol

and If it crashes, I'm F'd because I barely know how to use RasPi Imager

[plain gate]

whats going on in here 😭

[feral geyser]

Weird shit. Non-Satisfactory related

Very unamused

[mossy rock]

alr so i got like 6 blenders in a manifold. they should be filling a 600 pipe fully, but they dont, its at 560, i need mininum 580 for my plant, why? just cuz pipes in this game are poorly made?

[wise junco]

can you share a picture of your piping?

[dense violet]

overhead images of the set up in #math-and-meta

[frank nest]

Gusquan ?

[mossy rock]

its the middle pump thats causing problems

the pump isnt but the pipes are

[dense violet]

its basically impossible to diagnose most pipe issues w/o at least images

[wise junco]

^

[dense violet]

#math-and-meta is a good place for it

[mossy rock]

#screenshots

[dense violet]

almost all the issues that people can guess at with pipes are very common newbie issues

[azure ermine]

pipes make my bloodpressure go up 🙂

then someone comes along and posts "pipes are easy, just git gud" and I bristle

I am assured I am far from the only player to struggle with pipes 🙂

[feral geyser]

i still do at times, but whenever it happens, i always try to simplify and scale back

but in general, they aren't so bad, you just kinda get used to them, but they'll still give you trouble

[azure ermine]

I've learned to just not sit and glare at the wiggly power graph, since I'm making about 2.5 times as much power as I'm using currently

[shrewd palm]

im praying my power graph isnt wiggly once i get this power plant started

[feral geyser]

yeah, once you have quantum stuff going, wiggles are guaranteed

[azure ermine]

it doesn't help that I have a few geysers plugged in, even at best possible, it's going to sway up and down. In fact I might be curious to turn all the geyser generators to standby and see what it's like otherwise

but, right now I'm laying pipe from the 10 nitrogen nodes north of the big crater lake and then I will think about "what do I use this for now that I have it." All I know is there are things to be made that require it

I put a pic in screenshots of my mass of pipes coming in

[peak wasp]

does anyone know how to access #screenshots can't find entrance

[azure ermine]

under Satisfactory Media?

ohhh, you mean on your screenshot. Maybe check the interactive map site, it allows you to see a rough outline of all the caves

[brave horizon]

I am become

[dense violet]

I've explicitely offered to help you with pipes so that they become easy for you

seriously. Next time you're doing pipes ping me.

[wise junco]

#screenshots message

@peak wasp

try coordinates -1126, -1406 (roughly)

[dense violet]

but you seem to prefer to just stay mad at pipes

[azure ermine]

not really mad. They function but I want them to be conveyor belts with liquids that don't vary or waver and they simply aren't. It's a grumble and not a rage.

it's a video game, there are plenty of real problems to be upset at

[little jetty]

quick question, just got back into satisfactory. I play factorio a lot and having a main bus was really helpful in keeping stuff organized. Is there a way to implement a main bus into satisfactory and is it efficient? or are there better techniques in satisfactory to keep factories organized and not a jumbled mess?

[azure ermine]

I have seen it said that trying to play this game like that game will be painful

[shrewd palm]

yes but its not really effecient

[azure ermine]

generally the idea of making what you need and getting it where you need it are the same in any production game

[little jetty]

any good techniques for organization? or do u kinda jus gotta thug it out

[shrewd palm]

a main bus is really only gonna be good to have running to the start or around a factory

you're more supposed to belt things to where they need to be

[shrewd palm]

im not the person to talk to about that lmao, i just place things wherever they fit without much of an idea beyond "this is the direction the production chain is going"

[dense violet]

get a mod then. They are very easy if you learn the basics. And if you don't want learn the basics stick to 300 flow pipes and they are basically conveyors

[woeful gate]

How do you make photonic matter...? I got a bug where it doesnt have a cost. #screenshots

[frail sleet]

It legitimately doesn't have a cost (other than power)

[woeful gate]

Oh... Thats weird o-o

[shrewd palm]

you make it out of thin air

[heavy pine]

I presume it's made of light, being photonic. But yeah, no cost to it. It's free real estate, as it were.

[smoky nimbus]

unlocked iron pipe but I can't make it anywhere?? i don't have the recipe even though I unlocked it in the MAM, and its no longer in the MAM either

[signal shale]

are you trying to make it on a workbench? If you unlocked it, constructors can use it, but you can't use alternate reecipes by hand.

[smoky nimbus]

no?

i'm trying to use it for my weapons factory

[dense violet]

search for the recipe in your constructor

[smoky nimbus]

I did, its not in the index or whatever its called either

[signal shale]

then you probably hit reroll or accidentally claimed some other recipe, is my guess.

[boreal musk]

intended game design

a legit free resource

[coral sundial]

how do i stop items from going all to one machine in a line

the first one only.. the ones further down dont get any supplioes

[dense violet]

if you're feeding enough total parts it'll self balance

[twin forum]

Does anyone know satisfactorys compatibility with Linux?

[cedar drum]

whats the best item to use to farm tickets in sink for early-mid game? i was thinking quartz crystals / silica

[shrewd palm]

these drones are driving me crazy

how is it that the drone port only works when im close to it

[dense violet]

that shouldn't be the case

[signal shale]

is there anything you want to ship coal to your plant for before diamonds? I was thinking I'd just ship steel instead of coal, as my main plant is well away from coal.

[shrewd palm]

i made a post in #1038092680493801533 , its got everything i know about the problem inside of it

[dense violet]

yeah I don't have the brain to break it down atm sorry. lots of fog

[shrewd palm]

real

it is entirely possible that i was looking at the wrong drone port and forgot to fuel the right one

that is 100% the case

[hybrid nymph]

I really wish that we had a boss fight in this game

Like a mega hog or something

[shrewd palm]

i think there was a concept at ine point

it was a giant crab that made a bunch of the flies

and it would be in the west coast

[hybrid nymph]

And it was guarding Crater Lake or something

[shrewd palm]

i think, could have also been spire coast

[hybrid nymph]

Or the oil on the west coat beach

Just saying, it would have added some more fun to the game

Sad that the devs scrapped it

[shrewd palm]

this isnt really a combat game tbh

[hybrid nymph]

Yeah I know It isn't

[shrewd palm]

what i do wish there the devs would add would be either a new part to the map or some planets (both ideas with different resources and/or story)

[hybrid nymph]

I guess it just didn't fit the theme of the game

[shrewd palm]

maybe the new part of the map was an alien city or something

and we find out what happened to them

[hybrid nymph]

I think it would be super cool if the devs added a few different maps that you could get as DLC

[shrewd palm]

yeah

i'd 100% buy it because this is one of the very few games that i still support the devs on

[hybrid nymph]

Even if each new map was like $20 USD, I would pay it

[shrewd palm]

something kind of like factorio's space age for the planets

like now that you've built the space elevator you can go to earth, find out what happened/what is happening to it, and then go around the galaxy using new resources to fix it

[hybrid nymph]

Which I'm really wondering about this game is the fact that those two celestial bodies that you see in the sky

The one ringed planet and the other molten moon

Which makes me wonder are we on a moon of that gas giant planet?

[shrewd palm]

i wouldn't be surprised

the "planets" are very close together for planets, and the one we're on seems to be fairly small

or at least thats my impression of it

[signal shale]

I'm not fluent in astronomical nomenclature, is the designation of our world that of a planet or moon, properly speaking?

[shrewd palm]

i don't think its ever explained

[signal shale]

Well, I was more thinking about like Elitee

Elite: Dangerous, and wondering if they had used RL nomenclature to name Satisfactory's world.

[hybrid nymph]

Considering the size of the gas giant in the sky and the size of that molten moon The furthest away we could be from those celestial bodies is probably no further than 100,000 km

[shrewd palm]

a planet is a ball of rock/gas that orbits a star and a moon is a ball of rock that orbits a planet and as far as i know its never explained which one of those we are

just that we're not a gas giant

[sullen gull]

All sorts of lore (and spoilers) in #story-spoilers

[hybrid nymph]

Yes, that is correct. A planet is an object that is spherical, has cleared its orbit of other objects, and orbits its host star. A moon is an object that orbits a planet

According to the wiki: Yes, in the game Satisfactory, you are on a rocky planet named MASSAGE-2(AB)b which is a moon orbiting a larger gas giant within the Akycha binary star system. This is supported by the fact that the gas giant is visible in the sky backdrop

[boreal musk]

its not, but they kinda nailed the feel

[shrewd palm]

#screenshots message peaks at about 640GW + all of my original power production

currently missing 300 uranium ore but its whatever

[boreal musk]

the guns feels fun to use

the only exception is the hit boxes for most enemies

[rich wren]

Can satisfactory run on a pi?

[signal shale]

which one? I like the Rebar gun, though the reload is a pain sometimes

[hybrid nymph]

Judging on the surface gravity of the moon we're on, It must be a pretty big moon All things considered. Since the gravity is 11.85m/s And I'm assuming it has a density similar to Earth That would mean that the planet has a mass of 2.21 Earth masses

[boreal musk]

both rebar and rifle are fun to use

[signal shale]

It's also got a breathable atmosphere and liquid water

(if it wasn't breathable we wouldn't need the gas mask upgrade)

[shrewd palm]

well this is something bad i was hoping not to encounter

i am backing up on non fissile uranium because im not making enough waste

i hope all it takes to fix is letting manifolds fill

[willow glen]

assuming the rates are correct on your non-fissile uranium usage, once the manifold backs up it will self-balance

[shrewd palm]

yeah thats what im hoping

[willow glen]

that’s the beauty of manifolds

[shrewd palm]

my drones have balanced out a bit so im only missing about 150 uranium now

only thing i can do i think is just get the rest of that uranium and let the manifolds fill up

might have to start underclocking reactors too

probably only about 1/3 of them are running rn

[willow glen]

oh if that’s where your problem is it’ll take a lonnng while to self balance, but also i can’t really think of a way to fix that because any self-balancing will just get unbalanced unless you have a lot of uranium rods (or uranium waste) already made

[shrewd palm]

yeah

i had a container full of rods and it filled up a couple rows of reactors

[willow glen]

I usually do nuclear in stages so I can generate a lot of uranium waste while I make the plutonium part (and likewise if I choose ficsonium)

[shrewd palm]

but atm most of them arent getting the fuel rods they need because of my missing uranium and manifold things

[boreal musk]

usually just have everything backup when you want to kickstart nuclear, have 1 or 2 container worth of rods and waste

[willow glen]

wow, how many reactors does that (supposed to) power?

[cyan magnet]

Can someone help me out i got a question. If i dismantle my HUB upgraded to level 5 do i keep it level 5 or do i start over again?

[shrewd palm]

i have no idea tbh

[sullen gull]

Stays

[signal shale]

You keep it at level 5

[shrewd palm]

im making 50.4 rods/min, which is all going into 100.8 fully overclocked reactors

[cyan magnet]

Ok thanks

[shrewd palm]

tomorrow i think i'll fill up a few containers

too late to do anything big now

[regal arch]

still dealing with this weird sound bug, 99% of ada lines dont work and if they do, only for a split second, chainsaw sounds too itll sound just a moment but nohting else if anyone had any idea

[warm phoenix]

I feel like in too stupid to do anything with manufacturer
Everything is far apart and i have no reliable way to transport it without making yet another spaghetti

Should i just pack the oil and ship it to base

[stray herald]

So what I did was manually feed manufacturers for phase 3 and now I am building factories across the map and will connect them with trains

It is my first playthrough since update 8 though so I may very well end up with spaghetti

[dense violet]

are you using a pre 1.0 save?

[regal arch]

nope its a 1.1 save the all the sound worked previously

in the same save

[dense violet]

well you can do long belts to just make it easy on yourself. Nothing wrong with that. Or plan out entirely dedicated factories for those manufacturers. Find spots that have like 90-100% of the resources you need

alt recipes are very useful for this

[regal arch]

the music wont even play half of the time lol

[warm phoenix]

I have tendency to think so much stuff at once and cant focus on none lf it

Stuff like "what will i use this fuel for" or "how do i mass create gunpowder for rifle research"

[smoky nimbus]

this is planet naming scheme, usually
AB would indicate a binary system as well, but afaik we don't see two stars?

[solemn crystal]

Use straight conveyor belt mode
You’ll mend a bit of pain

[peak wasp]

if anyone has a spare moment can they assist me in #1038092680493801533 please

[solemn crystal]

No matter what, DONT DECONSTRUCT FACTORIES, ONLY RELOCATE THEM IF NEEDED
it will DEFINITELY bite you in the back when you progress

[stray herald]

Yes lol
Sometimes I just log in, think of something big for an hour, then just log out because it's too much to think about xD

@peak wasp

[solemn crystal]

always mass produce explosive

[stray herald]

@peak wasp The entrance is to the west towards the beach. Go to the 4 coal nodes. I think the entrance is right below the node that's high up. There are spiders there and you need nobelisk to blow up the rocks

There are three entrances AFAIK but this one is the closest to the spawn area

[peak wasp]

3 entrances??!

[shrewd palm]

If y’all are talking about the big cave in the rocky desert then yes, I think so

There are at least 2 and if there’s a 3rd it’s along the northern coast of the biome

[stray herald]

Two of the entrances are right behind 4 coal nodes

[solemn crystal]

Entrances ❌
Really big mountain of lifts to go above the mountain✅

[smoky nimbus]

explosive rebar 🤤

[shy mulch]

You can use SCIM to see the entrances. There's 3 for that cave. Lots of spiders

[stray herald]

KITTIES:D

[solemn crystal]

nuclear Nobelisks
pulse nobelisks
and gas nobelisks

[solemn crystal]

when arachnophobia mode

I just use that to locate spiders

[peak wasp]

entrance to what?

[peak wasp]

where are the nodes actually located?

[stray herald]

Cave with ||SAM and lots of Quartz||

[stray herald]

Inside the cave

[peak wasp]

where is the entrance exactly

where is the entrance

[stray herald]

Let me go there

[peak wasp]

is the entrance high or low?

been trying to find it for 2 hours

[stray herald]

Sea level

[solemn crystal]

Inside the rocky desert, when you find big lake basically in the middle of the map, look to the mountain on the side, it has a cave that leads you to a few coal nodes, then in the forest part of that area, keep going down and you’ll find a bunch of water and coal nodes, making for a good coal gen spot and the other to be used general purpose

[frail sleet]

not effectively

[spare furnace]

I have a train addiction

end of phase two ive place 55km of rail

[willow glen]

yay

expanding the rest of the game gets so easy once you realize you already built tracks pretty close to where you need to go; just gotta build it out a little farther. Rinse and repeat till you’ve finished!

[spare furnace]

Yea

my tracks go through all biomes

[warm phoenix]

When comes to planning base, im either clueless or try to not be another spaghetti (stillclueless)

[spare furnace]

BASED

google ai has come in clutch with the math aspect of the game latley

[glad drum]

#screenshots message - try to NOT be spaghetti? No no no, you must embrace spaghetti - once you master the spaghetti, you can master the game.

[exotic pilot]

It’s beautiful

[glad drum]

Anyone can build nice, neat, 90 degree, straight conveyors on foundations.... Only a ~~masochist ~~master can build pure chaos and still move forward.

[glad drum]

Thank you ❤️

[wise zinc]

Isn't the most watched Satisfactory video on youtube spaghetti to the most maximum level? So, it's gotta be the right way, right?

[glad drum]

DARN RIGHT. Make the world your own and cover it in spaghetti!

[exotic pilot]

Embrace the spaghetti

[dense violet]

use a planner, something that won't regularly hallucinate

[warm phoenix]

Can't believe i got called out for struggling with spaghetti

[glad drum]

It's a skill to spaghetti, one you must hone into your own art.

I keep seeing my belts back up full of ingots and think something is wrong - but it's just that they're 30/min so the belt moves half as fast as others and it's all full up.... everything is at 100% efficiency. jeez

#screenshots message SOMETHING is a little off though

[balmy isle]

how do i get more power im a begginner

[glad drum]

Biomass Burners - Coal Generators once you can build em

[wise zinc]

Make due with Biomass Burners until you unlock Coal.

[balmy isle]

how to biomass burners work

[stray herald]

What if conveyor belts used power

Dev plz

[glad drum]

Go mine some Caterium, rush Smart Splitter - make a chest to put any wood/leaves in - route it to a smart splitter, have each go to their own constructer to turn into biomass, send that to another constructor to turn it into solid biofuel, then split all that up into as many biomass burners as you need

[balmy isle]

do i just get a storage and put biomass and connect to the burner

[glad drum]

They consume leaves/wood/biomass/solid biofuel and turn it into power

[balmy isle]

fuel or like mw power

[glad drum]

the biomass is the fuel, the power is the mw

[balmy isle]

i got tons of fuel i need power tho

cuz half my farms aint working

i connect a power line and still shows red light

[exotic pilot]

That’s a little much

[glad drum]

yeah for a beginner probably shouldnt lead them there lmao

but its useful on a 2nd or 3rd playthrough

[exotic pilot]

I would just automate the solid biofuel part

Or you could just seperate them into different containers

[balmy isle]

wait does the red light even tho i got the power line on it mean i need biomass burners

?

[exotic pilot]

BRO THERES LIKE 60kmh WIMDS RN

[shy mulch]

Look at how much power you need and you can work out from there how many biomass burners you need

[exotic pilot]

I can barely breath

[glad drum]

if you burned out your power, you have to open one up and flip the switch (if youve connected all burners to your poles)

[exotic pilot]

Have you connected your burners and machines to the same power lines and poles

[balmy isle]

i have no idea how to do that ;/

[shy mulch]

have you done the tutorial?

it walks you through all this stuff

[balmy isle]

uh

heh

is there a redo?

[exotic pilot]

I would be just as confused as you if my friend didn’t play with me on my first world

[exotic pilot]

Probably I think you can see it if you press O or something and go to the first tab in the ui

[exotic pilot]

This is the first game I have ever listened to the tutorial bc I didn’t need to read it

Other than probably rl but my friends taught me how to play anyway

[shy mulch]

When I first started this game I just followed the tutorial and it explained everything perfectly. I don't understand why people skip it

[exotic pilot]

Bc they think they know what to do probably

Or just didn’t listen to it

[frail sleet]

The phase 0 tutorial thing is very slow and not representative of most gameplay, since it has a LOT of hand mining and hand crafting. You kinda need it if you're just starting out on your first factory game - but with help, not so much.

[stray herald]

I just learned that you can align foundations to the grid and for some reason I'm locked in building extra clean factories

Was the world grid a thing before 1.0?

[cursive crane]

Yep

At least since like... u6.... u5?

[stray herald]

Oh wow I am so behind xD

[willow glen]

1m foundations used to have a weird vertical snapping interval but that was fixed in 1.0

[cursive crane]

I wish I could experience 1.0 again

[stray herald]

Talking about 1m I just realized I built one of my bridges 1m too high https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1410866990385463407

[stray herald]

I got the game when Update 8 released, grinded 100 hours then got burnt out and am playing again now

[cursive crane]

Only 100?

Crazy to me that some people had thousands of hours before u8

[stray herald]

For some reason I am suddenly way better at it despite stopping because I had a giant mess

[cursive crane]

Happens every time you restart.

[stray herald]

I will try to load my first world ever

[cursive crane]

You learn stuff from the previous playthroughs that allow you to be more efficient/faster next time

[stray herald]

It was DISASTROUS

I didn't use trains so I had coveyors and pipes going all over the place

I'm talking southern field spawn conveyor towars the oil islands to the west

And further

Horror

[cursive crane]

Nothing wrong with it

I built a skybridge for trucks from southern spawn to the oil to the east and north on my first playthrough. Went under the arch and had hypertubes running both directions and everything lmao

My first like 3 playthroughs I seperated steel production from iron because I used the first available coal miner for power. Biggest improvement to early game was using the further one for power and instead keeping steel production to right next to my iron.

Saved sooo much time

[boreal musk]

restarted so many times that speed running phase 1 below 3hrs feels like a normal tuesday

[cursive crane]

Handcrafting up to phase 3 makes everything quicker so long as you multitask

Once you get access to oil and such is when permanent factories can really start to get built

[boreal musk]

yea, i only build perma stuffs when i got the things i need from awesome shop

[light ginkgo]

Where do you guys usually go when you have to pick 700 mushrooms ?

[cursive crane]

Dont pick, use chainsaw

And most of the larger caves, otherwise the biome to the ||southeast||

Mushrooms become largely unimportant once you can get the ||alt recipe for fabric, basically only real use for resin, its well timed so that you can get it going when you start your first fuel plant||

[silk ocean]

Don't chainsaw use nukes 😉

You'll end up with nothing XD

[boreal musk]

or that one specific somersloop at northen forest

the one where it surrounded by mycelia

just chainsaw it and you get around 500-600

[silk ocean]

I just wish the chainsaw could be upgraded to run on the same fuel as the jetpack. I never seem to have solid biomass on me

[boreal musk]

even better, go to swamp if you want thousands of them in one area

[silk ocean]

Pressing alt on the load messages, why didn't I know this 20 years ago

[cursive crane]

Gotta hook an automated factory for it up to a dd

[silk ocean]

Yea exactly

For some reason I have almost every mat in a DD apart from that

[cursive crane]

Packaged liquid biofuel for jetpacks

Doesnt take much

[silk ocean]

It will run on packaged liquid biofuel, or just biofuel?

[cursive crane]

Packaged is waaaaay better

[silk ocean]

I'll spin something up

It's mainly because I haven't used the chainsaw in ages

[cursive crane]

Packaged burns 5x [ish] as long as regular, for 5x [ish] the height.
Its not as quick vertically but the extra time= more height

[light ginkgo]

Yeah that's what I'm gonna do once I get to expending my power but right now I don't have that alt and I want to do the hazmat suit milestone

[light ginkgo]

you mean the ||swamp|| ?

[cursive crane]

#screenshots message

[silk ocean]

Problem is that you still ultimately have to manually gather

Puts me off xD

[cursive crane]

One mycelia run really

Gives you thousands of biofuel

[silk ocean]

I have a container full of the stuff back at base, just never bothered to process it XD

[cursive crane]

Just gotta add a refinery then. Can manually package water as needed dont even need an extractor

[silk ocean]

I'll go sort it out now xD

I need a break from this turbo blend mega powerplant build XD

[hollow halo]

Bro I never thought coal would be so annoying to route

Especially when the water is like 9 miles away from the coal node

[silk ocean]

Probably easier to belt the coal than pipe all the water

[hollow halo]

Which is what I did

[silk ocean]

A wise pioneer

[stray herald]

I use that coal for steel personally

Is there risk of corruption if I load an old world? I assume yes?

[silk ocean]

As long as you don't save, can't see the harm

[stray herald]

Found the mess https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1410875516772286505

[silk ocean]

....or you know... save as something different

[stray herald]

Yeah I just wanted to take screenshots

[silk ocean]

Maybe it's fine, I'm not sure

I've been meaning to open my old fac and take a look

[silk ocean]

slooped the mycellia conversion, not short of biomass xD

Could be a full standard container once done

[sterile blade]

Cries about their U8 nuclear facility not being tourable anymore 😭

[silk ocean]

All got broken? I forget xD

[stray herald]

Does this work?
https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1410880671504666676

I have 188 steel pipes getting produced and I am splitting it into 80 and 108.
I split the initial input (Mk3 belt) into two Mk2 belts, then I split one of them in 3 and merge two to get 80, and I return the rest to the other Mk2 belt

[rustic hare]

is there somewhere I can find and calculate how much packaged nitrogen I can transfer/minute so I can build an appropriately sized station at my rocket fuel factory?

[sterile blade]

Nuclear recipes changed in 1.0

[sterile blade]

I'm not sure what you mean... Isn't the answer just "as much as your belt/pipe can carry"?

[silk ocean]

Yea mine will be offline too then XD

[rustic hare]

I mean trains, their transfer rate I think is affected by route length?

[sterile blade]

Technically, one could have future proofed nuclear once the new recipes were known (before the Update hit), but still...

[silk ocean]

I guess so yea xD

[sterile blade]

If a train takes too long to go from A to B, you can just add another (on the same stations). Same with any other vehicle too (with just one exception I'm not mentioning for spoilers)

So you're effectively just limited by belt speed and the fact that trains stop unloading when docked. So ~1.5x max belt speed for each freight platform (one can squeeze more through, but that is likely to require extra care)

[rustic hare]

oh right, my brain derped out

thanks

[sterile blade]

Tbh, the main reason I complain at all is because the best factory I made was centered on nuclear and not made to be easily modified

[silk ocean]

Yea my last one featured a lot of nuclear, chances are the entire factory will trip if I load the game xD

You can't chainsaw down these bubble trees in the swamp?

[cursive crane]

Instead of trying to split belts into certain amounts by belt version, just let them fill. Belts will end up only using whats being consumed at the other end, doing all those mental gymnastics to try to make a belt use a certain amount is pointless

Use the highest version belt you can and just let em do what they can

[stray herald]

Yeah that makes sence

[cursive crane]

The only real situation this helps is a manifold setup where you want all the machines to fill at once, but it only means anything until theres a stack in each machine, then its pointless

I use the strategy to fill my 3x16 coal generator blueprint, when im too lazy to wait, but ultimately end up upgrading the belts

[stray herald]

So I can simply use a smart splitter that sends overflow aboev 80 to the other building

Sounds good to me

Thanks!:)

[cursive crane]

Dont even need a smart splitter. Just split it.

[reef basin]

or you can group machines so that one group produces for one direction and other group produces for other direction

in your case, one group making 80 and one 108

[stray herald]

I was planning on that actually. I don't know why I ended up doing one line xDD
The plan was literally to do two lines, I even had it written down

[cursive crane]

Manifold supremacy

[stray herald]

My heavy modular project is going well:D Gonna be making 9/minute

[rustic hare]

meanwhile I just got lazy and decided to sloop the assembler to get higher rates

[stray herald]

I haven't done much with the alien tech items, I think I am missing out. I am basically not using them at all

[mossy rock]

wanna double your production?

wanna add 10% more power to your grid for free?

wanna have every single item you produce wireless transmited to you, whenever you need?

use the alien tech.

[silk ocean]

dimensional depot is the best thing ever

[stray herald]

Dayum

I sure am missing out

Now let me ask the real question. Which goes first on the hotbar, splitters or mergers?

[silk ocean]

If you do a depot for every mat you basically never have to go back to base to restock

[stray herald]

Wait that's crazy

Isn't the resource finite?

Or is thre enough

[silk ocean]

You load the resource into the depot, usually plop it on top of an industrial storage

[boreal musk]

laugh in me restocking 50k concrete everytime

[silk ocean]

View it like a container that is accessible anywhere from your inventory

[stray herald]

I meant the Mercer spheres sorry

[silk ocean]

1 mercer per depot but there are plenty of mercers

Way more than unique mats

[cursive crane]

Neither. Blueprints.

[stray herald]

Woww

I have actually neverused them

[stray herald]

Perfect:D

[silk ocean]

There's something like 186 mercers in the world

[cursive crane]

You are only playing half the game. No alien tech, no blueprints

Bet you havent even touched the customizer or awesome shop either

[stray herald]

Nah Awesome shop is my best friend

Mk1 blueprint is 16x16m I didn't know what to do with that xD

[cursive crane]

Can premake an input/output manifold for each machine

Or smelter group

With inputs pre set up

Logistic towers

Hypertube things

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553550313533997057/1287900834956316724/image.png?ex=68b2271f&is=68b0d59f&hm=728002278ac6fa5f6b6864501a31e31a49284a740b3e141e5838350538f8a88a&

Quad foundry blueprint
#screenshots message

Placed all that in 4 clicks

[rustic hare]

well, unless you spam concrete-heavy blueprints like railroads without multiple depots for concrete 😂 I've been there

[shy mulch]

Guilty 😂 I think I have about 5 or 6 depots for concrete and still run out sometimes

[rustic hare]

seriously I just stock an inventory full of concrete whenever I start expanding my rail system 😂

I just embedded a conveyor into the ground, just to realize, I won't be able to upgrade it now without some hypertube glitching shenanigans

[silk ocean]

I love the little bits of attention to detail like if you look under the track where a signal is, you can see how it is attached to the underside of the rail

[shy mulch]

Yeah I've made huge blueprints and nudged them down into the ground so half of it isn't even visible or reachable, then later deleted the bits that are visible, so now there's no way to delete the rest if I ever need/want to

Well, SCIM would be the way, but I try to avoid that, I want to play as vanilla as possible

[silk ocean]

I'm sure I have a load of inaccessible foundations around the world XD

[boreal musk]

298*

98 for upgrades, 200 left to play around

[shy mulch]

I just checked SCIM, I've collected 222/298, 76 to go 🙂

tbh I have all research done and everything I need already being fed into depots and have about 50 spare spheres already, no need for the rest but I'll collect them anyway because things that are to be collected must be collected

[peak wasp]

are dimensional depots worth it?

[silk ocean]

150% worth it xD

[shy mulch]

"worth it" really? They are the #1 best thing in the game

[solid storm]

Is this not deep enough to extract water?? It's not extracting any? #screenshots message

[rustic hare]

imagine just being able to place machines without having to think about restocking materials in your inventory

[stray herald]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1410900419860889732 🥳

[shy mulch]

Is it powered and connected? If it's not deep enough it won't even let you build it

[vale grotto]

Water extractors always extract water, no matter where you build them, because as above, you can't build them unless they'll work

[solid storm]

powered but not extracting.....it is not connected to the coal machine

[vale grotto]

Is there room in it's buffer?

[solid storm]

buffer?

[vale grotto]

Internal water buffer. If it's buffer is full, it cannot extract, because it has nowhere to put the water

[silk ocean]

I don't think my inventory is ever more than about 1/3rd full since depots

[solid storm]

i'll send you another screenshot....one sec

[peak wasp]

Sorry im still new, forgive me for daring to ask a question

[peak wasp]

cheers

[silk ocean]

Kinda view them like storage containers, 1 mercer to build, load each of your materials into them around the base, there is a separate section that gets added to your inventory page, and you can access those materials anywhere in the world, tick the box and it uses them automatically. So you can build away from base without ever having to come home to restock

[peak wasp]

that sounds fantastic

[silk ocean]

It's good yeah xD

I think in the tech tree initially they might seem a bit small.. but you can upgrade the capacity

[peak wasp]

yup

so it works for every single item that can be stored?

[silk ocean]

Yea you have to feed mats into them just like storage containers, one depot for every mat, and they get added to the depot list in your inventory

You can have more than one depot for 1 particular mat if you want to load faster / more storage

[peak wasp]

so lets say i have one a long way away at a node, then I have an assembler in main hub that requires that item, does it go right in or does it need another dimensional depot feeding it

[silk ocean]

Oh they are just kinda one-way, from the factory to your personal inventory

[peak wasp]

hmmm

[silk ocean]

They only have an input

[peak wasp]

no output? 🙁

[silk ocean]

Unfortunately not XD

[peak wasp]

rip

[silk ocean]

They would be very overpowered if you could do that XD

Eliminate drones and trains xD

[peak wasp]

so what do you use them fior mostly

[silk ocean]

I load basically every single material into all the depots, and then you can just build away seamlessly without ever having to restock

[vale grotto]

Building!! You never have to manually gather concrete and stuff to build ever again!!

[peak wasp]

ohhhhh

[obsidian zodiac]

truly the best feeling

[peak wasp]

so like concrete, iron etc

rods

[silk ocean]

Yea

Exactly, one depot for each thing

[obsidian zodiac]

concrete, iron plates, all the basics. so helpful

[silk ocean]

Feed the mats in and they appear in your inventory

[shy mulch]

My inventory is empty most of the time, except for jetpack fuel and some ammo. Everything I build the materials come straight from dimentional depot and is automatically refilled at wherever those things are made, never need to think about it

[peak wasp]

I guess I could split overflow of all of those building materials into depots

[shy mulch]

Just going and doing it is 10000% more effective way of learning than asking about and people trying to explain

[peak wasp]

I don't have it unlocked

if people asking questions bothers you, just mute/ignore/block

[silk ocean]

Yea, you can plop them on top of an industrial storage container, use a vertical belt to feed into the depot

[cursive crane]

Community manager spotted

[solid storm]

loaded up the game and they were working? Glitch maybe?

[peak wasp]

ahhh

[vale grotto]

Probably yeah

[shy mulch]

It doesn't "bother" me, I'm just trying to encourage people to learn a better way

[peak wasp]

I learn better by talking to people

"better"

[silk ocean]

You don't have to put them ontop of a container, they can just sit anywhere, it's quite convenient they will sit on top because if you have storage in the middle of a factory there might not be room elsewhere etc

[peak wasp]

I'd be using splitters

[silk ocean]

Yea totally an option

[shy mulch]

It's a game of exploration and learning, it baffles me that people play it and choose to skip the exploration and learning parts

[peak wasp]

imagine people doing things unlike me!

imagine!

[silk ocean]

Shocker! xD

Good thing about this game is there is no right or wrong, play however you like imo

[shy mulch]

Yeah I agree with that

just doesn't feel like playing a game if you're just following a set of instructions

[vale grotto]

I imagine it's the same reason people like building Lego sets by the instructions

[silk ocean]

Apart from petting dem big green spiders in the swamp... That's just wrooonnnggg y'all

[peak wasp]

that's right. A bit of exploration and figuring things out mixed with no ego asking for help

[silk ocean]

Yea that's how I generally go about things xD

[shy mulch]

Yeah I can't understand that either lol. I totally get that everyone gets pleasure from different things in different ways. I just can't see where it is in that

[shy mulch]

Absolutely, I ask for help too when there's things I can't figure out. But I always try myself first

[peak wasp]

This might come from a lack of empathy

[cursive crane]

Eh. There really is a lot of people who just come here looking for someone to do all the hard stuff for them

[radiant stirrup]

how do i use trains correctly, i feel like if i bring plastic or rubber for example to another production by train i dont know how much product per minute i am transporting so i cant connect to a production because i will have to much or not enough

[solid storm]

Ok, after you let the water extractors fill up and connect them to the coal gens, and then release the temporary biomass burners, what do you power the water extractors with. I tried connecting them to the electricity of the coal gens....and it did work....but only for a little while?

[leaden turret]

using trains correctly: choos wisely

[peak wasp]

hahahja

[cursive crane]

Theres a formula for it on the wiki

But basically trains have the highest throughput of any method. Even if you arent getting enough, just add another train. The throughput is higher than what your conveyors can do. So hence your overall throughput is what you produce, so long as the time between stations isnt too long

[shy mulch]

I'm probably one of the most empathetic people you'll ever meet. It's just one very specific case that I just can't wrap my head around. The case I'm talking about is when people ask for help about something without even trying it themselves first, I think that signifies a very defeatest attitude

[peak wasp]

I have a learning disability, this helps me

[cursive crane]

!wikisearch train/throughput

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=train/throughput

[limpid cairn]

guys

how do i fix my power plant

[shy mulch]

This game is one of the best documented games I've ever seen, it helps you so much ingame and pretty much everything you could ever want to know is explained in detail on the wiki. But people skip all of that and come here to ask extremely basic questions. It's just frustrating

[limpid cairn]

it got no power no more and i dont have enough power to get it running again

[cursive crane]

#1038092680493801533 post all the pictures you can and describe in detail

[cursive crane]

Biomass burners is usually the best way but it depends on how big it is

[shy mulch]

Is it a coal plant? If so, use a biomass burner to power 1 coal miner and 1 water extractor to kick start one generator, then that can power the rest

[limpid cairn]

its a turbo fuel plant

[shy mulch]

Then same, kinda. But you'll have a bit more to kick start

Use a biomass burner (or several) to power the absolute minimum things needed to get one fuel generator running

[limpid cairn]

😭

okay

[shy mulch]

This is why it's a common reccomendation to not destroy old stuff that "isn't needed any more"

[limpid cairn]

i kinda need everything tho

[shy mulch]

If you kept your old coal plants and biomass burners from previous stages, and just disconnected them, then it would be simple to do this

[stray herald]

@rustic hare Beautiful pipe work

[rustic hare]

ty

[shy mulch]

That's exactly where I did my nitrogen extractor yesterday 🙂 I took a very different approach to the design

[vale grotto]

I have my water extractors and coal miners on a separate power network, connected to exactly enough coal generators to power them and nothing else

[shy mulch]

Why not just connect everything to the same power network?

[vale grotto]

#screenshots message

[vale grotto]

Because if the main network blows, the power station is unaffected and can keep operating without manual intervention

[rustic hare]

I'm interested, can I have a pic of it?

[rustic hare]

well.. just don't blow it in the first place

[vale grotto]

That's true, but there's also no reason to not separate it lol

[peak wasp]

and some people have learning disabilities, no point being frustrated at things out of your control

[cursive crane]

Same thing is easily achieved by priority switches

[vale grotto]

I'm not gonna be missing that 1.4MW

[cursive crane]

And still being able to use the full potential of each station

[rustic hare]

hoverpacks glitching networks that are seperated with switches out

[shy mulch]

I posted it in #screenshots 14 hours ago, if you scroll up you'll find it, I'm not sure how to link specific posts

[vale grotto]

That's true, but usually by the time I have hover pack, I also keep a couple power storages on the power plant network for the once in a blue moon that I fly by it with the pack

Also, this network isn't separated by a switch. I don't have switches unlocked yet lol

[rustic hare]

oh nice, you built a whole building around it #screenshots message

[shy mulch]

yeah, I thought I'd do something a bit different

[vale grotto]

But yeah like I don't care about the 1.4MW of capacity I'm missing out on for the peace of mind it provides that I can blow out my main grid without worry of my power needing manual restarting

[shy mulch]

How did you link the specific post?

[shy mulch]

Fair enough. I prefer to just have way more power than I'm using, so it's never a concern or risk

[rustic hare]

I'll take care of the looks later once I filled it up with enough tanks

[vale grotto]

Oh same here. I will probably never ever blow the fuse on my grid. But I feel safer with a separate grid

[rustic hare]

I right clicked the post and copied it's link

[vale grotto]

And it's fun to manage!! Running wires and mathing out how many generators I need to put on the other grid :3

[rustic hare]

currently my rocket fuel plant have so many input sources it'd be hard to keep it on a seperate grid to allow 100% uptime

I just make wayy excessive power

[vale grotto]

And tbh the whole point of the game is how it makes you feel. It makes me happy to separate things, so that's the options that's the best!!

[shy mulch]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1410702282852405371

[vale grotto]

Yeah by the time I'm at like tier 6-7, everything is so interconnected that it's nearly impossible to do this lol

[shy mulch]

Ooo it works, thanks

[vale grotto]

But that's what priority switches are for!

[silk ocean]

I find myself removing single trees with nukes... it's getting out of control XD

[true mulch]

fyi you can use + or _ for spaces

[silk ocean]

It's the Ficsit way

[rustic hare]

btw do you guys package excess nitrogen then sink it, then create new fluid tanks to allow 100% factory efficiency?

[true mulch]

that sounds hugely inefficient

[rustic hare]

just to keep machines running 100% lol

[silk ocean]

Packaging requires finite resources to bear in mind (plastic, iron, etc)

[steady hemlock]

Id much rather them run at less than 100% and know it’s because they have to much stuff backed up ect. With excess than 100% and only just what it needs

I always go slightly over with it not under

[rustic hare]

so you only sink non-packaged items?

[eager palm]

I always max resource nodes and smart sink what I’m not using.

[silk ocean]

As Nitrogen is the 1st part of the chain (source), it shouldn't be a problem if not all of it is used in terms of the fac running 100%, you can sink the intermediate/advanced products created from that resource, that's probably better

e.g. anything downstream of a machine that might back up

[limpid cairn]

i learned my lesson, never use manifolds for anything that is related to energy

[rustic hare]

may I ask why? except nuclear, my other plants run on manifolds

[wary crow]

If your belts can keep up, it shouldn't be a problem, especially when you let the system fill up before

As long as the numbers work out ofc

[limpid cairn]

power went out and everything colapsed and to get it running again its such a hustle

[cursive crane]

Yea i hit the wrong one, i know, ty tho

[rustic hare]

oh

[limpid cairn]

make sure to place batteries !

[dense violet]

that sounds like a major design flaw, not manifolds. If the fuse blows they'll stop burning fuel

[limpid cairn]

the fuse blew becuase it had no fuel

[stray herald]

Are hoverpacks objectively better than jetpacks?

[limpid cairn]

but tbh yeah its kinda a skill issue

[limpid cairn]

if you have energy nearby, yes. for exploring, no

[rustic hare]

different use case, hovers on grid, jetpacks off grid

[stray herald]

Okay. Thanks!:D

[lost galleon]

Hi guys, can I ask questions about mods in Questions and help?

[true mulch]

better to ask in the modding discord

[limpid cairn]

theres a special modding dc for that pretty sure

[cursive crane]

Modding discord link is in #welcome otherwise

Ide be curious to know how many people mod the game vs how many stay vanilla

[lost galleon]

Amazing thanks a lot! 🙂

[lost galleon]

I dont know to be honest I am just unable to deal with the Mk1 Power Poles anymore

[cursive crane]

?
So get mk 2 lol

[lost galleon]

Mhmm thats valid

[cursive crane]

Thats not even a modded thing

[limpid cairn]

how much does a fully impure node give with a mk2 miner?

150 right?

[unkempt blade]

60 without an OC

[spice patio]

The build menu right side (or Codex) gives the base rate.
And Impure is 50% of that and Pure is 200% that.

[gray ferry]

how do u use the satis calculator on quick search?

[austere lichen]

You mean ingame?

[gray ferry]

ye

[austere lichen]

Press N and calculate away with numpad symbols

[light ginkgo]

#screenshots message
@cursive crane I might have messed up the calculations

[shy mulch]

That should be enough to last you a little while

[rustic hare]

I haven't even used up the 50 I crafted when I first unlocked the filter...

[cursive crane]

If its any comfort, you'll need the extras later

Dont get rid of em

[solemn crystal]

wait how is iron finite

[shy mulch]

Make a full storage of them, put a feed into a dimentional depot, never think about it again

[solemn crystal]

isnt like... every single thing in the game infinit-

wait no the alien things

[shy mulch]

in time yes, but resources per minute are finite

[solemn crystal]

mercer sphere

[cursive crane]

Garlic shrooms

[solemn crystal]

yea but who the hell needs like 700 iron a minute

[cursive crane]

I have a factory pumping out close to 4000/m

[solemn crystal]

WHY

TELL ME WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE LIKE THIS ;-;

[cursive crane]

C o n s u m e

[dense violet]

They kinda 4000 iron pm isn’t much for modest sized factories

[solemn crystal]

and i thought my factory was amazing

[boreal musk]

700/min is small amount

[solemn crystal]

.....
IM USING 480/M AND I BELIEVE THATS OUTRAGEOUS

[cursive crane]

4000 is my current

End plan is 12k

[dense violet]

Parts condense a lot the more steps you do

2000 parts per min become 30 ppm easily

[solemn crystal]

TELL ME IS HAVING ALL YOUR CONTAINERS FILLED WITH IRON ORE A GOOD THING??

[dense violet]

No

Storing ore is pointless

[light ginkgo]

welp now my internet storage if full of them at least

[cursive crane]

No point if its not being consumed or you need it for some sort of backup

[light ginkgo]

unfortunately I used all the shrooms and all the fabric so I can't even craft the hazmat suit

[boreal musk]

my hmf factory consumes 8k/min iron ingot