satisfactory

[split trench]

Was it the server that was crashing or you the client ?

[wise zinc]

It's always clients. Server log shows nothing useful

[split trench]

Could you share your save file?

and crash call stack?

[wise zinc]

Sure, Where can I find the crash stack?

[split trench]

%localappdata%/FactoryGame/Saved/Crashes look for the folder that matches the time and share the specific crash folder.

[wise zinc]

Gotcha, should I zip and post it here or submit through another method?

Okay got it.

Oh, can't post it here. So just gotta know what method you'd prefer. I can DM or upload it to a file sharing service.

[plain gate]

is copper map limit 36900 or 31400? wiki is giving conflicting answers with calculator

[hard ivy]

If you're using the fandom wiki, don't

[plain gate]

there's no official wiki page for that

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch miner

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=miner

[peak wasp]

should i play multiplayer for my first time playing

[slender quest]

There are more hard drives on map than alt recipes, and if you get bored exploring any point after Tier 8 Particle Enrichment, you'll be able to buy a hard drive in Awesome shop for 100 coupons.

[plain gate]

oh its named differnt

[steady glade]

if you have a group, go ahead, the experience isnt that much different

[plain gate]

hmm i have 1100 copper to spare to make aluminum... difficult

[slender quest]

I like to play first game by myself to not get distracted by friends jumping ahead of me or getting lost inside some abyss, but if you'll enjoy that - multiplayer works too.

[silk ocean]

"Station 47"... I guess they ran out of names

[wise zinc]

Shoot me a ping when you get a chance to let me know where to post/how you want those files, thanks.

[slender quest]

It's town/city/station names from real life anyway. I wonder if the longest real-life station name can still fit inside in-game textbox...

[silk ocean]

Might be a stretch xD

I rename all of them anyways 😄

I'd lose track of reality if the list was city / station names 😄

[hard ivy]

New challenge: all default station names global rail network

[slender quest]

Same, I like my "Heavy Core City" for the stop near nuclear power station with waste recycling.

[silk ocean]

What was Amsterdam again? xD

[smoky forge]

oh no

worse than the only bio burners phase 5 one

[slender quest]

Phase 5 screw-only, spaghetti encouraged

[silk ocean]

xD

[unkempt blade]

it's just some city they made up for the cinematic classic "Eurotrip"

[slender quest]

No, it's a water dam near Amster village.

[feral geyser]

Pshh, y'all actually believe in Europe?

Same as Australia

Not real

[silk ocean]

The cake is a lie

Am I a monster for always using a splitter/merger at the end/start of the manifold

[plain gate]

who doesn't

[silk ocean]

Hopefully nobody and then my monster-case will be vindicated

[slender quest]

Eh, it's alright.

[steady glade]

you mean without another machine or extra belts?

[silk ocean]

Ya

[feral geyser]

I mean, I guess that makes sense

It's already there if you wanna expand and add another line

[silk ocean]

That's my logic yea even if there is no room cough cough

[steady glade]

for the splitter at the start, i get expecting to pull off some items, for the merger at the end, im just not sure why

[feral geyser]

I never do straight through manifolds.

[peak wasp]

are solar pannels in the game

[feral geyser]

Not vanilla

[peak wasp]

what about wind turbines

[feral geyser]

See above

[peak wasp]

are there any methods of power generation that i can scale infinitely

[feral geyser]

Refined Power is the mod you are looking for

[unkempt blade]

only power without an ongoing resource requirement is geothermal

[plush dawn]

biomass, coal , fuel, nuclear are the only power sources in vanilla

geothermat too i forgot

[peak wasp]

arent there finite vents though

[silk ocean]

Spaghettimanifolds? xD

[hard ivy]

Is 15 TW not enough?

[peak wasp]

i want more

[unkempt blade]

correct, the geothermal gens snap to a finite number of vents

[cunning glade]

Where does one put blueprints I've downloaded

Too like be able too use them

[feral geyser]

No, I group machines by 3, then do manifolds to those groups (so layered manifolds, I guess)

[feral geyser]

In the same folder as you find your blueprints

[silk ocean]

Ah kinda a balancer/manifold hybrid

[cunning glade]

Idk what folder that is

[feral geyser]

Not really

[plush dawn]

nothing vanilla can really scale infinity, but it scales to a point where it doesnt need to be infinite

[cunning glade]

I'll look ig

[feral geyser]

Do you know where photos get saved?

[plush dawn]

geothemal seems to be good remote power for small things though

[cunning glade]

Nope

[hard ivy]

Go up a few folders from your save files

[feral geyser]

Someone recently just shared the path also.

[cunning glade]

I see

[unkempt blade]

yeah they're free after the initial setup so there's no real reason to not use them but they don't generate enough power to really power all that much production on their own

[hard ivy]

I used it to power a miner once

[unkempt blade]

if you want to math stuff out they can be nice to add to their own circuits and keep stuff other power gens require running no matter what happens

it's plenty of power for a some water extractors and pumps and an oil rig or whatever

[glad drum]

As soon as I can build 'em (im still setting up steel) I'm gonna go and tap all the geysers and connect 'em - I think that's the only time it's really worth it

just rush it ASAP

[plain gate]

its better to just setup a battery array in case of disaster, geeothermal isn't enough to power anything, really

[unkempt blade]

they're worth the detour for sure if you're already out exploring and see some

[plain gate]

or some giant tubs of turbofuel

[unkempt blade]

yeah I'm paranoid and mostly play MP so we always do power storage for an hour or 2 of runtime while stuff is getting set up

turning power back on if someone else overconsumes power can be annoying 😆

it's a good use of blueprinting too #screenshots message

[cunning glade]

How much fuel does a fuel gen burn a min

[silk ocean]

Depends on the fuel

[wary crow]

depends opn the fuel

[cunning glade]

Base recipes

[unkempt blade]

it's all on the wiki too if you need to look it up

[cunning glade]

First playthrough just getting oil power

That would work I have 10 refinerys making fuel

20 a min

And I have 400?

[white dawn]

In addition to the wiki, remember that there's a little icon next to the input buffer on generators -- click it and you'll get the consumption rates for all the fuels it accepts

(that's for all generators, not just fuel gens)

[cunning glade]

Man that's 20 gens I need

[silk ocean]

Barely any xD

[cunning glade]

Now too figure out how too set it up

Cuz I have 2 pipes

[silk ocean]

10 per pipe then?

[cunning glade]

Quite a bit of space I need too add atleast

[cunning glade]

Ye more meant too make sure I don't fuck up flow

Cuz idk if the flow is good for the refinerys making the fuel

[silk ocean]

If the numbers all add up and they are both the same flow, should be fine

[cunning glade]

I think now that I've added pumps it's fine

[wary crow]

🥲 i wish that was the case

[cunning glade]

Cuz I have the pipes coming out from the floor

[silk ocean]

Pumps are just for headlift

[cunning glade]

So it has too go up

[limpid cairn]

can someone tell me howthe well presurizer works?

[silk ocean]

Probably needed then xD

[cunning glade]

Ye I have it under the floor under glass ceilings so I can see the pipes

[silk ocean]

You put it on the large node in the middle

And the Resource Well Extractors go on the satellite little nodes

[limpid cairn]

i figured that out already im more confused about the interface and the node types (impure normal and pure)

[cunning glade]

Anyways what would be a good way too take some fuel and package it for a jetpack

Cuz I don't wanna imbalance my gens really idk

[silk ocean]

I forget what the wells produce but it scales like the ores

[limpid cairn]

like, do i get 720m^3 x 2 if i use a pure note?

[silk ocean]

If you overclock in particular you need to split the outputs into multiple pipes yea

[limpid cairn]

and if i oc it to 1800 m^3 * 2?

[cunning glade]

So if rubber backs up does the hor stop being produced

[silk ocean]

e.g. join up half of the extractors on one pipe, and the others 2nd

[cunning glade]

I assume that's how it works

[split trench]

DM

[silk ocean]

Take from both and merge to maintain balance?

[cunning glade]

Ight and I'll just underclock the packager

Don't think I'll need that much for rn

[silk ocean]

Yea could do, you don't burn through that many

[cunning glade]

Like 20 a min should be plenty

[silk ocean]

Compared to rate of production at least

Oh way plenty yeah, unless you're doing a huge amount of flying around

[cunning glade]

20 a min and then just turn off a power gen till it's full

[cunning glade]

Only when building

[wary crow]

my power plant is breaking me once again

[cunning glade]

But 100 bio fuel last me a good min

[silk ocean]

You could just split it off, and let it fill up storage, once full all will just go to your fuel generators

[cunning glade]

Sure hope canisters are iron and not steel

Oh

It's plastic

[wary crow]

either iron plates and copper sheets, steel ingots or plastic

[silk ocean]

Oh yeah, plastic

[cunning glade]

That makes sense but it doesn't look like plastic

[silk ocean]

I think that caught me out as well

[cunning glade]

Hmm this is my rubber plant

[silk ocean]

Belted in iron ingots... UH OH

[cunning glade]

Not plastic

Real I almost did

[naive scroll]

i just got to plastic and stuff

[cunning glade]

The issue is I've made all this rubber and don't need it yet

[wary crow]

you can make coated iron canister using an alt recipe

[naive scroll]

and my mind is like how am i gonna make sense out of all this

[cunning glade]

I'll probably just turn the fuel thing on and off when needed I'll automate it at my. Plastic plant

[sterile blade]

I ran some numbers. Depending on the recipes you choose (and assuming I didn't make any mistakes) it should actually be doable. #screenshots message

[wary crow]

i'll save that thanks

[sterile blade]

If you're referring to the SFTools link, you might want to check it again, I just spotted a minor error and updated the link

(Doesn't change wether the plan is possible or not, but it wasn't using up all the Plutonium Waste)

[silk ocean]

Personally I'd just let it fill up storage and then it will automatically "turn off" as such

or not even storage, just the internal machine buffer

[cunning glade]

Ye but the whole plant is making rubber

[silk ocean]

Switch a couple to plastic?

[cunning glade]

When I go make the other plant for plastic I'll make it there

[wary crow]

i suggest setting up a liquid biofuel line where you can throw in leaves and wood whenever you get any

[cunning glade]

One thing at a time

I currently can't support the rubber plant till I get the gens placed

[inner oxide]

So question on the upcoming Xbox release. Will there be cross-play compatibility with PC users at launch?

[cunning glade]

After that I wanna get another plant for just oil power I think

Unless is that a waste

[hollow halo]

Free me, they’re taking me away from my factory (I’m doing a training for a school thing)

[sterile blade]

Do well in real life so you have more free time to game

[cunning glade]

Me with work

Yk after playing this game u see how inefficient the world is

[wary crow]

dammit i can't hit the 96% efficiency mark

this plant is killing me

[limpid cairn]

the flow rate doesnt matter for gasses right?

[fluid sapphire]

it does, gases just dont require headlift

[wary crow]

the flow rate always matters, only the headlift doesn't

[willow glen]

I finally have a save where I packaged both turbofuel and liquid biofuel so I tested them. I always thought turbo fuel was more height, biofuel was more length. Turns out I was wrong, they both get to the same height actually, so there’s just no advantage to turbofuel at all. Sad

[unkempt blade]

ideally though you'd be packaging the gas and transporting it with factory carts

[fluid sapphire]

there is though, you get more lift, faster

[willow glen]

even if you’re hog dodging by jetpack jumping, biofuel is enough. Strangly I was having issues doing that with regular fuel, but that could have been skill issue

[unkempt blade]

I just used normal fuel all the way to rocket fuel. It's plenty of jetpackery for exploring stuff

[limpid cairn]

im transporting them with factory carts dw

[fluid sapphire]

regular fuel is super annoying for the jetpack

[willow glen]

it’s usable (as opposed to biomass which is really only an air brake), but doesn’t last long enough for me to go exploring without still needing to build ramps

[unkempt blade]

if it's really tall I'll just hop ledge to ledge and for horizontal fluttering covers just about all my real use cases

[gritty shoal]

could someone help me with automation please, im a complete noob at this game 😭 (i keep making disgusting and barely functioning automated things)

[unkempt blade]

I think the little bit of friction using the jetpack makes the map more engaging but I've definitely done ramp-minecrafting to get around before too 😆

[willow glen]

meh, I like that a lot of the slopes are traversable, but it’s so much quicker to just press spacebar a bunch of times and be up there without platforming

[sterile blade]

Dang it, the cult is spreading!

[willow glen]

but yeah that’s totally personal choice tbh

[unkempt blade]

brother, you too can achieve salvation through factory cart usage

[sterile blade]

Please explain your issue.
That's the difference between "asking to ask" and "asking" 😅
Ie: "Can someone help?" vs "I need help with X"

[royal spear]

is there a mod that allows u to play with more than 4 players?

[gritty shoal]

im really bad at automating things, and im trying to complete phase 2 of the elevator thingy

[unkempt blade]

that's normal, just keep playing and you'll get better as you go 😄

[sterile blade]

🍣 >

[unkempt blade]

Have you heard the word of our lord Factory Cart? You must use sushi truckstops not sushi belts to reach enlightenment

[sterile blade]

Try following the production chains of items differently from how you have done before.
Eg: if you're used to automate things from the ore to the final product, try making a factory starting with the final-product-machine and working your way backwards
Does this adress your doubts?

[sterile blade]

The funny thing of our joke-disagreement is that factory carts actually can't transport sushi (single-inventory-slot issue)

I mean, sure, the can empty a sushi truck stop, but they won't ever transport sushi themselves xD

[unkempt blade]

You need many many carts. This is the way.

the route is sushi not the single cart

[wary crow]

mix some uranium waste into the sushi to get surprise factory carts

[feral geyser]

Wtf is sushi

[wary crow]

belts transporting more than one item

[sterile blade]

Belts carrying more than one kind of item (kinda like belts in sushi restourants with many different dishes on them)

[feral geyser]

Ah yeah, absolutely not

The only time that happens is on the way to the SINK

[wary crow]

or when you have a central storage

[feral geyser]

Which has a sink right after it, so same diff

[sterile blade]

While I haven't ever actually used factory carts, I do have quite some experience with Waste-sushi 😉

[sterile blade]

More than 69% of sushi belts end up in a sink eventually. Those that don't eventully clog unless some special care is given xD

[plain gate]

does anyone remember the proper number ratios for aluminum cycle cuz i certainly dont 😭 for 480 baux/min input

[feral geyser]

Look at the recipes

There is a wiki

[plain gate]

yes i am certainly aware im asking for the clocking ratios that eliminate vip's

its hard to modularize aaaa i am certainly not dealing with 12 mk6 belts of bauxite coming in together

[wise junco]

Modularize is de wae

[placid stirrup]

Search in #math-and-meta for @white dawn post

They've got the scaleable numbers

@wise junco hey boo

[royal spear]

is the more players mod working for 1.1?

[unkempt blade]

I don't but I also usually build as though they'll move a mk5 worth since that's the first thing I upgrade with the alclad plates it creates

[plain gate]

ah makes sense

[limpid cairn]

is it normal that my gpu is dying

like its not even rendering discord properly

[solemn crystal]

but if you pour water on a rock

nothing happens 🔥

[sterile blade]

Have you tried turning it off and on again?
How long since you last restarted your PC?

[limpid cairn]

10h

[sterile blade]

Btw, people in #off-topic-tech can actually give really good answers about this

[limpid cairn]

i had my pc on for like 70h straight without having really problems with my gpu

[limpid cairn]

[topaz shale]

Hell, using the satisfactory modeler really does help to get you the needed refineries in order to have both teh waste water and outside water seperated in the right ratio.

[solemn crystal]

i think your factory might be causing issues

[wise junco]

HEY BOO!!!!

[solemn crystal]

banan

[wise junco]

Howdy

[solemn crystal]

shucks

[limpid cairn]

yeah im dropping from 120 to 110 fps sometimes

[solemn crystal]

bro

[limpid cairn]

Had to switch settings to medium so it doesn’t happen often

[solemn crystal]

i rest at 75 fps because of vsync and you complain about dropping 10 fps while having 120

whats ur refresh rate

on your monitor

[limpid cairn]

165hz rn

[solemn crystal]

oh

what is your gpu then

[limpid cairn]

Im prob going back to 144 soon

3060ti 8gb

[solemn crystal]

i have that also
uhh quick question...
how big is your factory...

[limpid cairn]

Not that big

[solemn crystal]

which tier

[limpid cairn]

but big

Phase 4

Idk what tier I’m in rn

[solemn crystal]

so 7-8?

yea how long have you had that gpu for

[limpid cairn]

since 2020 or 2021

[solemn crystal]

holy shit bro you need a replacement sooner or later

basically youve gotten to the gpu deterioration point

[limpid cairn]

im getting a 5080 next or this year

[solemn crystal]

its like when a human reaches their age where their cells die faster than they can reproduce

[solemn crystal]

W

[limpid cairn]

It’s still as good as day 1

[solemn crystal]

but uh for now i think you're better off playing a refresh rate lower than your avergae and use a FPS cap just a bit higher

[solemn crystal]

woudnt be so sure about that

[limpid cairn]

i can literally run cyberpunk in like mid graphics at 120 fps

[solemn crystal]

i see

maybe its the fateful point where your factory is too large

too big to fail

[shy mulch]

Who's got interesting structures around nitrogen extractors? I need some visual inspiration

[solemn crystal]

get this

the extractor
BUT POWERED BY 100 BIOMASS BURNERS

much more interesting

[shy mulch]

that would be an interesting project, but not really what I was hoping for haha

[solemn crystal]

ohhh you're looking for a VISUAL project

[limpid cairn]

Do we count the fantastic flying platform as an interesting structure ?

[leaden turret]

the extractor
butt powered by 100 biomass burners

why your butt powered by 100 biomass burners?

[solemn crystal]

yea bro im the last person for you to ask about architecture

[solemn crystal]

what

[shy mulch]

I don't know what that means, but I'm happy to look

[leaden turret]

my brain misreading shit

[solemn crystal]

[leaden turret]

https://communityhighlights.satisfactory.video/meta-search/?q=architecture

[limpid cairn]

It’s just a huge 250 x 50 plat

thats flying

[solemn crystal]

ok fine ill suggest an idea

[warm schooner]

so the rock debris.. is there any way to clear it out faster?

[solemn crystal]

the extractor
but
get this
instead of pipes
package the nitrogen gas, take it to the distant sand dunes, make an entirely new factory there along with a sustainable fuel source, so it can have enough fuel to reach your main factory, just to be unpacked then transported by 5km of pipes all the way to your machine

thats interesting

@shy mulch

[shy mulch]

I already have a double train station beside the wells, the plan is to ship in the containers, package it all at the extraction place, then ship it from there to the main factory. Everything else is already set up, I just want to make the extraction and packaging more interesting than just a bunch of pipes leading to a platform with some packagers on it

[willow glen]

cluster nobelisk maybe? Explosive rebar might be faster because it’s easier to aim? Not sure which rocks you mean

[warm schooner]

After exploding large rocks with nobelisks (or explosive rebar), the leftover debris hangs around for a long time, blocking my ability to see

[willow glen]

you can save and reload which might be faster lol

[solemn crystal]

stack the packagers on top of eachother using a nudge glitch

🔥🔥🔥

[solemn crystal]

disable the graphics setting that does that, then enable it

[willow glen]

which one is that? None of them seem directly relevant, is it Foliage or VFX perhaps?

[solemn crystal]

graphics preset to low
then graphics preset to (your preset)

🔥

[warm schooner]

ah, that would work for me but my partner doesn't use a preset, she modifies the settings slightly

[solemn crystal]

ok time to research

[hollow vector]

why not a 9070xt

it performs better and cheaper

[sterile blade]

One example: #design-and-architecture message

[hollow vector]

i mean

than the 5070ti

[shy mulch]

thanks!

[limpid cairn]

Considering it maybe

[sterile blade]

Other example (more "extra"): #design-and-architecture message

(Btw, I just searched for "well" pictures in #design-and-architecture 😉 )

[shy mulch]

aha, see, I was dumb and searched in screenshots, these are much better than what I found, thanks

[silk ocean]

Whoa.. train crash

I added an extra engine while it was moving and I think that upset it at the path block

[sterile blade]

I originally planned to search just for "images" and "well", but I recalled seeing some posts so I narrowed the search to #design-and-architecture ^^

[hard ivy]

Didn't even know that was possible lol

[silk ocean]

Maybe because it had just entered the block, not sure lol

Yea seems you can add while they are moving xD

[hard ivy]

You can't delete unless it's stopped iirc. So I'm surprised you can add

[silk ocean]

Indeed xD

It was struggling to get up the hill after stopping at the signal so I thought I'll just pop another engine on the back as it was moving through the intersection

[silk ocean]

I'm starting to comtemplate my life choices with turbo blend fuel

Needs a lot of heavy oil residue xD

[bronze dagger]

A billion plastic

[silk ocean]

lol yea

[haughty haven]

You got the alternate for making extra residue?

[silk ocean]

Yea

Was planning on Alt: Heavy Oil, then will have to process the Resin

[haughty haven]

Gotcha

[hard ivy]

I mean you probably should it's a terrible recipe if you plan on burning it 🙃

[silk ocean]

lol that is the plan xD

1200/min of fuel.. RIP 2400/min Heavy Residue

[bronze dagger]

Gonna need some somersloops

[silk ocean]

Yea quite likely

1800/min of Oil without sloops

Probably a bit less after processing the resin

It's doable

[bronze dagger]

Aye that’s a good number

How many refineries is that

[topaz shale]

For power reasons, just regular fuel being made from diluted fuel and heavy oil residue is amazing until You get to rocket fuel.

[silk ocean]

24 fully overclocked

[bronze dagger]

Holy power consumption

[silk ocean]

2.4 GW, not too bad

[bronze dagger]

Chat that’s more than any single one of my factories rn

(No megas yet)

[silk ocean]

Things will change XD

[sterile blade]

I wonder what's the average end-game power between users ^^

[bronze dagger]

I want to make a huge nuclear plant so bad

[topaz shale]

I already know mine is going to be rocket fuel. Not there yet but the power density from just a single oil node is crazy.

[sterile blade]

It would be nice if the game tracked stats in a SCIM-like way

[sterile blade]

My only gripe with RF is how unnecessary it made Nuclear ahah
It's very powerful and quite convenient ^^

[silk ocean]

I'm a "peasant level" 160 GW at the moment but you can generate way more

[sterile blade]

Tbh, my guess for the average is 30~60 GW

[topaz shale]

I agree. I might mess with nuclear just to say that I did it but I really don't want to be messing with the later nuclear fuels just to get rid of nuclear waste.

[silk ocean]

Only 4.6% of players have completed phase 5 according to the achievement

[sterile blade]

Yeah, they're a bit of a chore, especially the later ones 😅
Fun if you like building complex production chains, but the power payoff is a bit meh

[silk ocean]

Admittedly some went as far as they could pre-achievs and might not have returned yet

(I imagine xD)

[sterile blade]

Ah, Satisfactory server... The place where the #announcements are posted in
#satisfactory-memes message
(New video tomorrow BTW! )

[wary perch]

Wish I could have oil in my coffee cup it has a cool texture and purple hue

[reef onyx]

Hello

Will there be a vertical divider that can be placed on the wall ?

[bronze dagger]

Nuclear may be unnecessary…. But it’s still cool af

Cool points win

[true mulch]

beams?

!wikisearch beams

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=beams

[vale grotto]

Honestly cool points is the whole point of the game
Like, why build trains when belts do just as well if not better, with no power usage? Because trains are way cooler

[glad drum]

this is a person who knows what they're talking about

[vale grotto]

Nuclear is the same way. Why use any power other than rocket fuel? Because nuclear is way cooler

[limpid cairn]

It’s not cooler it just produces harmful waste that destroys the environment

[glad drum]

The same reason why I'm making a STEEL CYCLONE (all my constructors for steel pipes and beams are in a circle around one of the water craters)

[limpid cairn]

#destroyallgreen

[glad drum]

Nothing cooler than pollution

[vale grotto]

Girl you're playing the "pollute and destroy the environment" game that IS the point lmao

[limpid cairn]

Until random eggs spawn on your map and your base is getting attacked by alien monsters

[reef onyx]

The little trick that separates resources

[glad drum]

I have mobs on passive - as Vampire Princess said - I'm playing the "pollute and destroy the environment" game... if you set the animals to passive, it's as if they're all just peaceful makes you feel all that more dominant colonial

[bronze dagger]

I’m working towards trains rn, and they scare me

I want to use them but I just know I’m going to make a bunch of errors

[glad drum]

It's not so bad unless you're putting multiple trains on a track

[bronze dagger]

Yes that

[vale grotto]

I can help with things if you need!! Feel free to ping me if you get stuck at any point :3

[bronze dagger]

I just have no idea how the trains work. Fluids I got down, and belts I got down, but trains scare me logistically

Since they are in essence completely customizable in terms of size and load

[willow glen]

Start with a rubber and plastic train. Don’t worry about planning ahead. Get 1 train moving between 2 stops(oil and home), using 1 rail. Then when you add a second train you can expand it to a 2 rail system

[limpid cairn]

Small advice, build train tracks like car roads, you drive forward on one side and backwards on the other side

[glad drum]

Make sure your train clips through mountains and such for more optimal delivery speed

[willow glen]

happy to help with rail issues, but it’s much easier to work with screenshots when you have issues. Trains are pretty flexible.

[limpid cairn]

No spaghetti advice ?

[bronze dagger]

The very thought of this has harmed my soul

[glad drum]

The more loops the better! Verticality is your friend too - going up and down is good for the transportation of goods.

[bronze dagger]

Im John Everything Must be Right Angles

[glad drum]

Crash a bunch of train cars at an important junction, then fix the cause of the crash but leave the crashed cars there. This will serve an important reminder to future trains as to the consequences if they stop working.

[tepid palm]

Train rules of thumb:

1. Two directions like car roads. Bi-directional is a logistical nightmare.

2. More than four cars = Speed and power penalty (A go-to is the engine + 3 freight).

3. Ignore Path Signals unless you're making an intersection. Path Signals go at the start of an intersection. Block Signals leave the intersection.

4. "Signal loops into itself" = Usually means your signals, indicated by rail color, are too close to each other.

5. Blueprints + Auto-Connect + Nudging = Easiest way to lay down tracks.

[wise zinc]

6. When you run into train problems. Hover pack + Ficsit coffee mug + a good think will get you through it.

[glad drum]

Unlike trucks, you cannot (unfortunately) make your trains do jumps from rail to rail. I've tried 🙁

[willow glen]

1. Is only relevant if there’s 2 trains on the network. For a first train, take it easy, too much pressure is overwhelming.

2. In my experience absolutely not, zooping is way faster for basic rail on foundation. However, if you want really decorated rails, blueprints are great.

[solid storm]

Wrong recipe started showing up for conveyors, so I can no longer build them with just iron plates? Is this a known bug? It will not let me post a screenshot?

[sterile blade]

Do trucks on autopilot work well with jumpads?
Last I tried there were quite a few issues

[tepid palm]

Trains are pretty much the only reason I haven't given up on Phase 4 because now I can think of it as "I can just make the [necessary component] here and export it to where I wanna make the finished product"

[sterile blade]

Check what exactly you're building

[glad drum]

I FOGOT ABOUT THIS - the ultimate vertical transport... trucks and jump pads!

[sterile blade]

Also, screenshots go in #screenshots

[solid storm]

Normal conveyor belts. Why cant I post a screenshot here?

[willow glen]

If you can record the route I believe the truck will just end up teleporting if it fails the jump (was new in 1.0 iirc)

[sterile blade]

If you build a belt between two belt connections (eg: input/output of machines) you just build a belt. But if you build a belt from scratch or to somewhere on the ground, it'll require one or more conveyor poles to be placed. They cost additional materials (you can see the added poles in the building hologram)

[glad drum]

Yeah that's what happened with my trucks when I decided to use them to traverse mountains, but on the return trip, have them just drive off the mountain (they didn't like that)

Dang, I was gonna do belts-only this playthrough but now I think I gotta give jump-pad-trucks a chance

[solid storm]

screenshot is to explain my situation. Why can't I post it here?

[glad drum]

It's so screenshots don't clog up this channel - post in the other channel then link the message here

[sterile blade]

Yes. The issue was that they always failed and teleport ed because it's almost impossible to get the recording nodes actually on the jumpad (so the trucks don't engage them)

[solid storm]

ok

ty

[glad drum]

Hmm.. what if you do the recording THEN place the jump pad?

nvm that's dumb or is it maybe probably yes

[sterile blade]

I mean, I had the same thought... And the same quick conclusion 😆

[solid storm]

Ok, this is my problem. #screenshots message

[glad drum]

I'm imagining... test the jump, see where you land, delete jump pad, record the path, delete nodes between jump and landing, then replace jump pad?

[cunning glade]

Chat I'm having pipe issues can someone explain them to me Incase I'm missing something

I have them coming out of refineries into the floor

And then coming up from the floor into other ones for fuel

[sterile blade]

@solid storm see the "build a belt from scratch or to somewhere on the ground" part

[glad drum]

yeah the physics doesn't love feeding an input from below

[cunning glade]

The fuel ones go down into the ground and the up into burners

[sterile blade]

That might work

[cunning glade]

Half the burners are getting 0 fuel even tho there connected the other seem too be working fine

[cunning glade]

I do have pumps tho

[sterile blade]

It's fine to feed from whichever direction one likes. It's all about making proper pipework ^^ (regardless of how the endpoints are oriented)

[tepid palm]

This is gonna sound really stupid but do the pumps have power?

[solid storm]

Not really understanding what you mean? I built plenty of belts so far....but now the recipe to make them has changed...look in the screenshot.

[glad drum]

Use a looped manifold, uh... something something let your pipes completely fill... uhhh

[glad drum]

Am I crazy that that used to be a problem pre-1.0?

[sterile blade]

You're building from a belt connection (machine input) to the ground.
That needs a conveyor pole to be built, as seen in the hologram. It's not just a belt, it's a belt with a conveyor pole.
Conveyor poles have their own material cost

[true mulch]

@solid storm belts cost iron plates, belt poles cost iron rods and concrete, you're building both in one go

[solid storm]

Never had that issue before? Why now?

[true mulch]

you definitely had that issue before

[sterile blade]

There haven't been particular changes to fluid dynamics since U7 or even earlier iirc

[glad drum]

nvm then im a just a silly guy

[feral geyser]

about 2 standard lightning strikes

[sterile blade]

You likely just didn't notice until you didn't lack those specific materials

[glad drum]

Ooooh weather machine + lightning power harvester coming to the game?

[solid storm]

odd then....because I remember just having iron plates on hand when building longer conveyors? Unless I'm losing my mind, lol. EDIT: Ya, lol, losing my mind......never noticed that before.....if you're just running a belt from one object to a machine, it works....but just running a belt to "nowhere" requires those other items. Thanks for your help.

[shrewd palm]

its for building the pole

[solid storm]

I see that now, lol....funny I never noticed it before though?

[shrewd palm]

its kinda easy to miss tbh

it'll only make the pole when you're not connecting machines directly

[cunning glade]

Yes

So they go from the fuel refineries down then travel a prolly 3 or 4 foundation distance then go up a full wall high basically into a gen

[small notch]

#screenshots the sky base is growing

[green fiber]

question is where are those pumps exactly

[cunning glade]

The main thing I'm confused about is that one half are red fully the other half is green

So I have a pump from where the fuel comes out of the refineries and then a pump before they go up

[green fiber]

the simplest question is if some of the fuel stays behind in the refineries - or if its keeps accumulating inside them

if none does, then its probably not that specific bit of the piping thats really causing issues

Because its all leaving the refineries as intended

[cunning glade]

Hmm I see

I'll look into it more when I'm home I only had 30 mins of troubleshooting it

[green fiber]

if everything is right there (so far at least), you should look elsewhere for the problem - if there is a problem here though, it will likely only show itself once the other things are fixed

[cunning glade]

My main issue

Is i have 2 pipes feeding the gens

One pipe is working somewhat not sure how well but the other isn't getting any fuel

Like they aren't even working

[unborn spindle]

Just found a bug where driving a train through a narrow cave glitches your camera through the cave walls and out the map

[green fiber]

If nothing enters a pipe at all it may not be connected properly
or it looks connected but isnt really

[cunning glade]

Well that's the thing I'm using a junction and placing it on a pipe that's already real doesn't that work?

[green fiber]

usually it works fine. again, just check

[cunning glade]

It's either that

[green fiber]

segment by segment

[cunning glade]

Or I somehow didn't connect them too power but they should all be connected

[green fiber]

if one segment is full and the next is empty, they probably arent properly connected to each other

and yeah, check power / cables again

[cunning glade]

I will at work for another 3 hours but I'll reply when I figure it out

It's just I need too figure it out my power grid can't sustain without the rubber plant being on

Well it can until I turn it on but I think the fuel gens should

[kind laurel]

hello, i have a problem with my train signal, it say "block has conflicting signal types" i have been looking for the conflicting signal but i cant find it, does anyone have any tips for troubleshooting, its the first time i have made trains at this scale.

[shy mulch]

Just look at every way you can reach that part of the track on a train. At a basic junction there would usually be 3 entry points

[kind laurel]

i have looked at everything 3 times but cant find it😭

[shy mulch]

Post a screenshot clearly showing the junction and all the signals

[cunning glade]

What's rubber used for

[shy mulch]

!wikisearch rubber

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=rubber

[cunning glade]

I see

I have made 600 a min too work with but idk what too do with quite yet

[deep dock]

Computer

[shy mulch]

that's fine, it'll be useful eventually 🙂

[kind laurel]

well it goes around the entire map haha, the things i have set up works but it doesn't allow me to use everything else '

[shy mulch]

only the last signals before you reach the junction are relevant

[cunning glade]

Okay so it seems I made a good amount of rubber too start with

[reef basin]

don't make things you don't need (yet)

[cunning glade]

It's already made

[reef basin]

that's a recommendation for the future

[kind laurel]

i cant send the screenshot

[placid stirrup]

#screenshots

[kind laurel]

thenks, its posted

[reef basin]

post in #1038092680493801533 next time 🙂
#screenshots is just for showing off and we can't write there

[kind laurel]

okay, im new to the discord😅

[reef basin]

even not new people still send people to #screenshots for no reason 🤷 don't worry about it

[shy mulch]

That looks like a very messy confusing setup, but just focusing on that one signal, it's aimed at trains travelling towards the camera on that line, so if it's referencing a block ahead of it, it might not even be this junction its talking about, what is further along that line?

[reef onyx]

Is it live tomorrow ?

[modest nest]

it turns out having a central sink that all overflow from the factory runs into is quite a pain with mk1 belts and definitely making more than 60 overflow a minute

[gilded idol]

I've seen some people have red lights on their conveyors or other objects how do I do that?

[kind laurel]

this line goes around the entire map, there are currently 3 junctions, from junction 1-2-3 the right and left lane have different colors and are working as intended but, between 1 and 3 both lanes is the same color and i can only put a working block signal on the right side, does that make sense?

[modest nest]

You use signs, set the color to red, remove logo, glossy (I think) and emission strength to desired

[reef onyx]

When is the live for consoles ?

[kind laurel]

november 4 i think

[gilded idol]

@modest nest interesting, thank you

[cunning glade]

Why tho cuz I needed rubber and plan too do the same for plastic

[reef basin]

but you don't know how much you need for future

[cunning glade]

Someone said a 5:4 ratio of plastic too rubber and someone also said too make a factory for each using a few oil nodes

But I mean ur not wrong

[white dawn]

So long as you're having a good time and enjoying yourself, you're playing the game right. But "5:4" is nothing but a guess -- the actual amounts you need are gonna depend on the recipes you use, how big you build, which things you build more of, etc.

[cunning glade]

I see

Well yes the refinery has been fun too setup just need too figure out the fuel issue

But seeing it all produce alot of rubber all at once was very satisfying and I have it in a good spot too be trained

[white dawn]

Mostly just remember that any "plan for the future" in terms of resource quantity is almost certainly gonna be wrong. Either you'll have built too much (and if you enjoyed building that factory anyway, is that really time wasted?) or haven't built enough, and so you have to build more anyway.

Either way isn't that big of a deal so long as you're having fun, so whatever. But if you're trying to save yourself overall work, Just Making What You Need RIght Now™ is often the way to go. :)

(Though I admit that if I'm using the most-oil-efficient-petrochem-loop, I'll sometimes handle that just like I would aluminum. ie: make a bunch of plastic/rubber, sink it, and then over time divert more and more to specific production lines until it runs out, at which time I need to spin up another factory)

[cunning glade]

Okay that's what I'll do sink most of it

[white dawn]

That most-oil-efficient-loop is one place in the game where economies of scale really do pay off; it's not much more work to make a big loop than it is a small one, but making a bunch of small ones would be a lot more work than one big one

[cunning glade]

Cuz that's my biggest issue idk what too do with it all rn

But with this I not only got rubber and plastic which I need but extra power once it works correctly

[uncut trail]

guys im producing 120rubber, 120 plastic and on top of those 240 purple oil which i really dont want, what do i do with it

[white dawn]

Send it to the sink, and then as things need your rubber/plastic, dedicate specific refineries to those outputs, is how I generally do it.

[stable notch]

hello guys, i had a problem while trying to play with friends. This is our first time playing the game and we faced an issue. Only the sesion admin can get access to the recipes unlocked in the hub of level 1. My friends cant do place, for example, conveyor dividers. We tried to make them unlock the milestione, yet i am the only one who gets the hability to craft

[white dawn]

Over time the amount of material getting sunk gets less and less

[shy mulch]

I'm making 3x as much plastic as I am making rubber. It all depends on what you are producing

[stable notch]

is there a way to solve it?

[white dawn]

Does a server bounce or disconnect/reconnect help? Sounds like just a sync issue

[stable notch]

we'll try

[fiery lotus]

Why wouldn't you want the heavy oil, you can turn it into so many things

If you really don't want it you can just pipe it into tanks and flush them every half an hour or so

[uncut trail]

i already heavy shit ton of normal fuel and generators, i js need rubber and plastic

[fiery lotus]

You can turn it into rubber & plastic

[uncut trail]

how

[shrewd palm]

alt recipes

[limpid cairn]

T3 pipes when?

[stable notch]

that solved it, thank you :D

[uncut trail]

shoulve guessed

[fiery lotus]

It's fairly easy to get early game recipes since there's a more limited pool

I did a pretty shallow exploration & got all the good ones

[white dawn]

Yeah, Heavy Oil Residue becomes a pretty great resource once you have a few alternate recipes. For now, when you first unlock this stuff, mainly you'd either turn it into fuel to burn in gens for a bit of extra power (if you have fuel gens unlocked), or convert it to Petroleum Coke. The coke you can either sink or send to coal gens for more power.

[uncut trail]

ones i got were pretty shit other than few inv slots and alt heavy oil res

[white dawn]

There's a bunch of alt recipes which give you some great uses for petroleum coke, too

It's not uncommon for folks on the first time through to just do HOR->coke->sink though

[uncut trail]

oh coke makes sense thx

[fiery lotus]

I haven't messed with coke at all because I didn't want another belt product to deal with

[limpid cairn]

coke is great for late game stuff

But it’s annoying to produce

[uncut trail]

im desperate for coke coal recipe

[atomic gale]

what is it good for?

also does homing ammo do more damage?

[white dawn]

!wikisearch petroleum coke

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=petroleum

[white dawn]

oh bah, I should know better

[limpid cairn]

Replacement for coal in a lot of alt recipes

[white dawn]

!wikisearch petroleum+coke

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=petroleum+coke

[white dawn]

^ see above for all the coke-using recipes, if you like

[uncut trail]

i was using my hor for smokeless powder and packaged turbo oil for jetpack but atp im overrun by those items

[white dawn]

Per-shot, homing ammo is the weakest ammo in the game. Since it compensates heavily for skill, though, your DPS when using homing might be higher than with other ammo types

[limpid cairn]

It does 1 more dmg and has 5 more bullets per magazine

source: wiki

[uncut trail]

js turn off animal hostility

[atomic gale]

yeah idk it just feels like it does less damage?

[hollow halo]

The game ate my coupons >:(

[atomic gale]

it seems to miss more than me lol

[white dawn]

You're misreading the wiki; homing ammo does the least damage out of any ammo type

[atomic gale]

it whiffs tracking running enemies a lot of the time :/

adn yeah the game says it does more damage too, like the damage indicator on the item

[white dawn]

Yeah, it doesn't deal well with lateral enemy movement

[atomic gale]

it just feels like it takes more shots?

[white dawn]

That indicator tries to incorporate the general sort of DPS that users will get with it, not the per-shot damage

[limpid cairn]

!wikisearch rifle

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=rifle

[white dawn]

But yeah, its usefulness will depend greatly on player skill

Personally I've never bothered to git gud w/ the rifle, so I ❤️ homing ammo

[atomic gale]

yeah seems like regular ammo is kinda best

[white dawn]

Just jetpack around holding down fire until everything's dead. :D

[atomic gale]

using the rifle is real easy with a hoverpack

[white dawn]

But if you're better with the rifle than I am, then regular (or turbo) could be better

[limpid cairn]

!wikisearch rifle#homing_ammo

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=rifle#homing_ammo

[atomic gale]

i use the rifle from a distance most of the time so turbo won't really work for me

if you hover at near the max height with a hoverpack and some power poles then a lot of enemies won't even target you

[white dawn]

That is, indeed, the page which shows the damage numbers for rifle ammo, and Homing Ammo is the lowest among them. :)

[limpid cairn]

I just saw it

Idk I think I was on the wrong wiki

Is there a difference between the fandom and wiki.gg site?

[white dawn]

Lots of differences; the fandom one hasn't been updated in years

(Or, well, internet randos might sporadically update it, I suppose, but it hasn't been the official wiki in a long time, no matter what Fandom continues to claim)

[placid valley]

Could be in the wrong here but: is it better to feed 240 coal in one line to 16 CPGs or split the line into 120 and feed them 8 and 8?

[white dawn]

Either is fine; no material difference once the manifolds are warmed up

It's possible that one might technically reach manifold saturation earlier than the other, but probably not by much

[atomic gale]

i would consider how the line will grow with belt upgrades

[limpid cairn]

Btw it’s better to fill up manifolds before turning them on right ?

[atomic gale]

they will output more faster but it won't matter long term

[white dawn]

Filling the input buffers first will mean that the manifold doesn't have much of a "warm-up" time. But yeah, what Zenn said.

[limpid cairn]

it’s more about making them warm faster

[white dawn]

Yeah

[atomic gale]

yeah i generally construct the lines first, with the main bus

then attach to each machine, then power on

and then finally attach the output

[placid valley]

My manifold is sputtering more than an hour after starting it up so working on the problem. It's coal being the issue but unsure why.

[atomic gale]

that kinda just works a lot fo the time, and i often hand feed them some to start

[white dawn]

I tend not to bother with pre-filling, unless sometimes when it's a high-stacksize item. Waiting for concrete or aluminum scrap manifolds can be annoying

Or Red Ornaments during FICSMAS. shudder

[white dawn]

Got an errant mk1 belt hiding in there somewhere?

[cunning glade]

I see

[uncut trail]

guys im on sulfur tier and im thinking of automating batteries js wondering, how much should i make in a min

[placid valley]

I did have a mk 2 hiding in a merger but solved that already.

[uncut trail]

like whats good number this early

[white dawn]

As always: how much to produce of something is entirely up to you

What do you want to use batteries for?

(there's not many uses, nowadays)

[uncut trail]

idk whats its for

just unlocked that tier

[shrewd palm]

you don't really need them, especially now that drones can use fuel

[placid stirrup]

Working backwards from a goal is usually the best recipe to success

[shrewd palm]

i think the only real use for batteries now is maybe a super computer alt

[white dawn]

Yeah, in recipes that's it

They are a good drone/vehicle fuel, but they're easily avoided (rocket fuel technically outperforms batteries by a bit)

The one annoyance w/ rocket fuel is that to use in vehicles/drones you need to get aluminum involved anyway, so if you have to spin up new aluminum then you might not mind doing the extra battery step on top of it

[placid valley]

Just use plutonium fuel rods for your drones. 😛

[placid stirrup]

maybe one day they'll change it so batteries can be used by the hover pack

[uncut trail]

so around 80 batteries a min like 4 blender manifolds?

[placid stirrup]

Yes that's exactly what we said

[white dawn]

I mean, again: what do you want to use batteries for?

And how much battery production rate do you need to support that goal?

Nobody here is gonna be able to tell you if 80/min batteries will be sufficient for whatever you want to do with them

[uncut trail]

💔

🙏🏻

[sterile blade]

So, around 80 batteries a min for the hoverpack? That's what I read

[placid valley]

Silly thing I'd like: if your ziplineing and then the fuse breaks you should ragdoll off the line.

[sterile blade]

Then you couldn't use zipline on unpowered lines. There would probably be a few complaints about that 😅

[placid stirrup]

Precisely, thank you for your reading comprehension skills

[uncut trail]

guys i cant help but notice is pioneer a woman

[placid valley]

Oh you could still use them just if you happen to be on them when the fuse trips you ragdoll. Afterwards it's still fine.

[sterile blade]

Now you're cooking!

[cunning glade]

So for my pipe issue

[uncut trail]

there should be option to sleep in this game bcs sometiems when its ngith its rly fucking dark

[cunning glade]

Would it be smarter too have the 2 pipes go up and then feed down into the refineries cuz I think that'll look worse but I don't think I have a choice

[shrewd palm]

whats the problem?

[small notch]

Will a 60x60 foundation floor be enough for phase 2 space elevator?

[cunning glade]

Uh basically I have pipes with fuel going down and then they turn some and go straight and then I have junctions pointing up that then pipe into fuel gens

Have the fuel gens just straight up aren't working

But the other aren't working efficiently

[shrewd palm]

building vertically usually isnt a very good idea with pipes

[fluid sapphire]

its fine, depends on what you do exactly

[shrewd palm]

there are a couple ways to deal with it but the best way for you is just to use pumps

[rigid glen]

That's what your head lamp is for

[shrewd palm]

yeah, with a water tower you shouldn't have any problems

[rigid glen]

no rest

[fluid sapphire]

water towers are some of the most pointless contraptions in the game that you can make

[uncut trail]

lamp aint shit when i need sun

[shrewd palm]

if you're just trying to build up and dont have a tower then things are gonna be kind of useless

[karmic walrus]

yo

[shrewd palm]

i mean they make it so that you dont need to deal with pumps and all the weird things that can come with headlift

[karmic walrus]

where can i find larger groups to play with

[fluid sapphire]

there is nothing weird about headlift, just use pumps where necessary, thats all

[karmic walrus]

all i see in looking for group channel is smaller groups

[shrewd palm]

iirc you can only play with a max of 4 people (4 people in 1 server)

i think that can be changed in INI settings or something but i dont really see why you'd need to

[dense dagger]

Quick question what is a base rate of production people go for electronics beginning of phase 4 (super computers, radio control unit and stuff)

I was making 4 supercomputers/min but I think with all the things that need supercomputers once I unlock phase 4 will require way more than that

[shrewd palm]

you can always upgrade later

asking how much you should be making is pointless because thats entirely up to you

[placid valley]

Ha so it was a belt I didn't upgrade!

[atomic gale]

for max rubber output is residual plastic and diluted fuel the best way?

[fluid sapphire]

this isnt a definite answer ´by any means obviously, here is what i am currently planning (though i wish i had planned more cooling systems, i will just sloop for now)
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=nMP57dzI7xvZZ6zN0lw0

[shrewd palm]

residual production line is the highest output for plastic and rubber iirc

[atomic gale]

residual -> plastic -> recycled rubber?

[white dawn]

The most oil-efficient petrochem loop involves these alts: Heavy Oil Residue, Diluted Fuel (packaged or otherwise), Recycled Plastic, and Recycled Rubber. Plus the vanilla "Residual Rubber" recipe (notably not Residual Plastic; the ratios in Residual Rubber are better)

[hard ivy]

recycled, not residual

[shrewd palm]

right

#math-and-meta message boot up the system with the residual rubber

and then let it fill itself up

[uncut trail]

what battery used for? only drones?

[hard ivy]

one supercomputer alt too

[chrome iron]

Overclocking is so nice

[ivory condor]

@sterile blade thanks for reminding me of that nuclear plant I never finished

[white dawn]

(Batteries can also be used as vehicle fuel, though I can't imagine too many folks use it for that)

@tough moss (re: #screenshots message ) - start a thread in #1038092680493801533 ; #screenshots is about the worst place to ask for help

[barren dove]

@tough moss, try path signals in, block signals out. All signals that still don't work replace for path signal.

If still no luck try a little firther away from the junction.

And if that fails too, flip keyboard in rage!

[cunning glade]

I'm just trying too take fuel from a pipe that's about half a wall tall under a foundation

[fluid sapphire]

i dont quite understand from the description

[cunning glade]

It's not that high up so I don't think there should be an issue

[cunning glade]

Basically pipe is under a foundation

[uncut trail]

is alt recipe: radio control system better than base one?

[cunning glade]

And the gen is on top taking fuel

So it's going up from below

[fluid sapphire]

uhhh ok, feeding from below is not a good idea, i can tell you that

[cunning glade]

Yeah I get that but it looks nice

[fluid sapphire]

if it works, more power to you

[white dawn]

As always: "better" is generally impossible to say. All recipes are at least situationally useful.

Alt recipes are just there to give you options while building

[cunning glade]

I'm hoping too be able too make it

[fluid sapphire]

well, if it doesnt work, you know what the problem is xd

[feral geyser]

I have done the recycling plant method, if you want some help with it.

[fluid sapphire]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Plastic#/media/File:Modular_plastic_setup.png

scale up as needed

[cunning glade]

Yeah but I feel like it should work since it's not going up that high

It's 10 fuel gens being fed off 2 pipes

[fluid sapphire]

whooowheee time to turn on a complex of 5 factories

pray for me

[modest nest]

What about steel screws

I guess if theres no coal available

[white dawn]

What about them? If you've got steel handy then it's a nice recipe, for sure, but I've built plenty of factories without Steel Screws, even though I had the recipe unlocked

Steel Screws on its own isn't enough to make me want to pull in steel to a factory which doesn't otherwise need it

(I do like Steel Screws, and acknowledge that its general reputation in the community is quite positive. :) It's still not inherently better than other options, though -- everything's got tradeoffs.)

[modest nest]

thats true unless you need a metric ton of screws then I'd bring coal in

[jade frigate]

I just had an annoucment: Server will reset in 60 minutes. Any update is coming?

[white dawn]

Some might say if you need a metric ton of screws, you might want to look at screwless alts instead. But, as I say, upsides and downsides.

[modest nest]

true

[white dawn]

I actually barely used Steel Screws at all in my 1.0 playthrough

[modest nest]

alright I've got to attend class, fair discussion

[hard ivy]

any recipe that uses or makes screws is meh at best

[white dawn]

Ingame, you mean? That's just something that can pop up if the game's been active for long enough and/or active at certain times. The game needs to do some internal garbage-collection after awhile and at the moment the way that happens is with a reset, even in singleplayer.

[naive scroll]

do you guys have a nice guide or blueprint to make huge storage schemes for items

like right now i just stack industrial storage on top of each other and sometimes its too much

so i want something compact maybe a 9x9 or even more if possible...

[peak wasp]

My spaghett levels are hitting brain melt

[white dawn]

The main thing that always bugs me about designing Central Storage type things is stacking containers while keeping "floors" in multiples of 4m high (for ease of integration with catwalks and such)

It can be done by clipping the containers either into the floor or the ceiling, though doing so does require some fiddly placement methods (that or mods, I suppose)

[naive scroll]

NO MODS

https://tenor.com/HW14.gif

[white dawn]

I still wish we had some slightly-less-tall versions of both Containers and ISCs; like 3m and 7m high respectively, so they'd fit cleanly within that "standard" floor size

[peak wasp]

I wanna just play a stupid blow stuff up game now

[naive scroll]

wanna make a save together and blow up stuff

[white dawn]

Knock off some storage space to account, of course (and I'm not quite sure what you'd do with the top ISC port if that was done; could be that ISCs in particular are infeasible for that)

[peak wasp]

Sound good. Let's blow some shit up!

[naive scroll]

thanks T_T i have trouble with the chests a bit and i want everything to look great

[unkempt blade]

yeah, like satisfactory with nuke nobelisks!

[naive scroll]

omg yaylets go

[naive scroll]

want to make a save? ill join 😄

[peak wasp]

I haven't done this yet. How do I do it?

[naive scroll]

i think create a game and ill join through your manage session

[white dawn]

(Either DMs or #1201555265942724758 would be where you could go to organize that, btw)

[naive scroll]

okay

[smoky forge]

o no, dont do that

[unkempt blade]

the trick is not using 4m foundations between layers of the factory

[peak wasp]

I create a session of my current factory or a fresh game? I don't understand

[naive scroll]

a fresh game should be better

[white dawn]

yes but my catwalks!

[naive scroll]

we arent blowing up your current factory!

I added you as friends so I can DM you

[peak wasp]

Not yet

[white dawn]

I mean to be fair, with some catwalk clipping, you'd be able to make it work even with non-4m-increment floor heights; would just be more annoying to build is all

The real solution is probably just Don't Build Central Storage Anymore™, which is what everyone else went to once 1.0 dropped. :P

[unkempt blade]

But it's so fun! Keep doing it as a vanity project 😆

[leaden turret]

I should hope your cat walks, otherwise is perma-loaf 🥁

[white dawn]

Heh, I was thinking that on my next playthrough I wouldn't, but instead would build a vanity Drone Mall again. Time will tell!

Gotta build something that's essentially useless, after all

[eager palm]

I still like having central storage near my blueprint designer, because I quickly drain the cloud

[unkempt blade]

I understand why [lazy/utilitarian] people would just use depots on-site at factories but it's way more fun to make those part of the mall and have a fun logistics puzzle to build

[white dawn]

Yeah, I do love the sight of a big ol' nicely-organized-and-labeled grid of bins.

[leaden turret]

I think the last time I had a central warehouse was the last time I used trains

[white dawn]

And, as you say, designing the intake logistics is a fun challenge

[unkempt blade]

yeah it's great excuse to use like a thousand vehicles to bring it all to one place

[hard ivy]

the last time I had central storage was never

[unkempt blade]

yeah I did like maybe 80% trains and 20% drones for intake on my last one

[solid mason]

i really want to play satisfactory but the early game is so boring imo, and its stopping me from starting a world :/

[unkempt blade]

how early we talking? there are probably options for you

[solid mason]

like before coal power

[leaden turret]

cheat and skip stuff that bores you, or figure out ways to make the boring stuff fun

[eager palm]

You can get up to x progression, and then just use that same save as a starting point for all future games. 🙂

[unkempt blade]

so honestly all the way to building coal is only a few hours and then it's like all automation from there if that's any motivation but otherwise I'd say use cheats like was suggested

[solid mason]

i would but id like achievements

can i like cheat in 1 world and copy it into another where the cheat settings are off?

[unkempt blade]

I think mods would cover that

[leaden turret]

save editing doesn't block achievements, mods don't block achievements

[fluid sapphire]

take a previous save from whatever point you want, plug the save into SCIM and delete everything

[leaden turret]

as previously stated:

[fluid sapphire]

wham, new game (with stuff unlocked)

[leaden turret]

AGS to remove spooders: blocks achievements
mods for spooder booba: whatever floats your boat

[eager palm]

Oh yeah, save editing is probably the quickest way to custom build a starting point with fixed inventory and unlocks. I always forget about it

[unkempt blade]

Satisfactory does do a pretty good job guiding you through concepts in that T0-T2 stuff though so if you're unfamiliar with the game you might benefit from just going through it one time and then backing up a save to use in the future if you want to restart

[solid mason]

ive played multiple times and honestly favorite part is oil part

[unkempt blade]

ahh ok, nevermind then 😄

didn't want to drop you into T3 if you didn't know how to set up conveyor stuff and everything haha

[solid mason]

ill try save editing even though i have never heard of it

[fading plinth]

that sad feeling when you log in and find your 250k mw grid offline...

[eager palm]

Your nodes must have dried up

[fading plinth]

Or... my friend who has 10 hours clocked logged in and tried to upgrade something

[eager palm]

that's what friends are for!

[sullen gull]

o/ Fellow Pioneers!

[eager palm]

o/

[fading plinth]

o7

[loud jewel]

\o/

[fading plinth]

Oh I guess we tried our hands at nuke reactors, guess waste management is optional

[sullen gull]

Just build a massive containment unit Under the sea! 😏

[fading plinth]

I now have like 25 containers of nuke waste haha drones are ging to be busy busy

I'm 100% down for the 'future me' problem

[shy mulch]

You can fit 120 industrial storages in a mk2 blueprint. Makes nuke waste storage very simple

[fading plinth]

Right now I'm blueprinting a mk3 bank of batteries

[feral geyser]

#screenshots message
Like this?

Warning, you won't be able to build it..

[fading plinth]

no? why not?

[feral geyser]

Too many items

[fading plinth]

isnt there a limit removing mod?

[feral geyser]

It requires over 110 stacks, and even with max depot, it's more than the 78 inventory slots you do have.

[feral geyser]

Sure, you can add more inventory space with mods, but I don't just assume people play modded.

[fading plinth]

oh oh I see what you mean

guess a mk2 would work though right?

[feral geyser]

Maybe?

It'd still be pretty big

I did this same thing, but in layers, so you can actually build it

[fading plinth]

anything to avoid waste disposal haha

honestly it feels like a punishment to use nuclear

[shrewd palm]

nuclear is pretty fun

storing the waste instead of processing it is just a fast track to disaster

[hard ivy]

eh, storing plutonium waste is not that bad

storing ueanium waste, on the other hand, is a terrible idea

[shrewd palm]

i dont think you should be storing uranium waste unless you only have a couple reactors

[fiery garden]

we do that irl

but we also only have a few reactors irl

[shrewd palm]

as far as i know we dont really have a good way of dealing with nuclear waste irl

[fading plinth]

I kind of built nuclear to test out and I only had like 3

now I have like 20

[shrewd palm]

cant wait until someone figures out fusion on a commercial scale

[fiery garden]

maybe we could use nuclear waste to power satellites?

[hard ivy]

pretty sure we already do that

sometimes

[solid mason]

how do i make a new folder for edited save file?

[true mulch]

you have to change the session name

[solid mason]

i changed the file name but it stays under the original folder

[true mulch]

no, session name, not file name

SCIM has it in one of the menus after you upload the save file

[languid marlin]

does anyone try to make their logistic floors look organized, or is it mostly just spaghetti under there?

[wise junco]

I do my best to organize

[languid marlin]

I need a 1:10 assembler setup so it'll be at least a bit messy

[wise junco]

really helps if you need to debug it later - though I'm a little "extra" and don't over-rate belts

[true mulch]

a few (5+) years ago I heard of pocket nuclear batteries being developed, not sure where that went

[languid marlin]

over-rate being like using higher tiers?

[wise junco]

correct. if a mk 1 will carry what's needed, i use a mk 1

[true mulch]

just manifold huh

[languid marlin]

I try to use the lowest teir possible, still early game with few resources

[solid mason]

found it, thanks

[languid marlin]

balancers are fun

[frail sleet]

they exist but you need like a thousand of them to power anything

[languid marlin]

dopamine

[true mulch]

no I mean enough to power TV remotes and such

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3248960/chinese-developed-nuclear-powered-battery-can-last-50-years-without-recharging

[hard ivy]

they exist, they produce like a few mW

[smoky nimbus]

don't alien power augmenters take up a 3x3?

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch apa

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=apa

[hard ivy]

3.5x3.5 foundations

[true mulch]

we could add that as hover text right...

[shut trout]

Ive got another fluid question 😮
I did some research and I wanted to get a verification.

Ive got a perfectly balanced fluid line/production. Which then leads to about 15 fluid buffers. (Obviously, I don’t need these, but I want them).
Are these affecting my overall flow rate, due to “sloshing” and that if I want to continue to have these buffers, I should fill them before sending the fluid to my generators? OR
Simply remove the buffers entirely ?

[wise junco]

Not being a shit, just asking - why do you want the buffers?

[shut trout]

I played back when it was a needed thing before batteries and so old habits i suppose

[mossy rock]

nah your good

[wise junco]

tldr; if you're going to use the buffers (or not), make sure the entire line to generators is 100% full before flipping on

to each their own, I wouldn't use the buffers

[mossy rock]

if your not already doing this your a mad man

[shut trout]

haha, I did, it was just a PITA because i needed the fuel to power the production, so I had to use batteries to help supplement. So was like a catch 22 lol

[glacial geyser]

hey me and my friend are having some problems with multiplayer i keep lagging like when i move it wont let me move or it ill teleport me to the direction i was going even going thru stuff 3 times and we both have internet speed over 300mbs and the internet setting in ultra

[shut trout]

Gotcha

[glacial geyser]

but i dont think its a problem of the game because i also play with a frien in arg and im in the us and me and that other friend have no problem

[wise junco]

IMO, the only real, best use case scenario for buffers is right before and after train stations - allows you to transport liquid without any loss

[mossy rock]

on my first power plant in my current world i did a few buffers, more as a failsafe, still went unused

[shut trout]

on that note, do you happen to know the formula i need to use, so i do the math to know how many fluid trains i need to meet needs?
like x amount of fluid per train, per distance traveled etc? I know i SHOULD package fluids prior, but didnt they increase the storage amount ?

[wise junco]

"should"... meh. i've used liquid trains with no issue, just gotta make sure to buffer (just as you would with a regular solids setup, too)

as far as a formula, no. I've always started with one loco with however many freighters and just gauged from there

[mossy rock]

no reason to package it, see what i do is build a pipeline along the train so i dont need fluid cars, they suck

[wise junco]

@mossy rock offers a solid secondary solution that I also like

[mossy rock]

👍

[wise junco]

the only downfall is it takes a while for that pipeline to fill 🤣

[shut trout]

gotcha, I personally like having the fluid trains, not that im against a great oil pipeline haha

[hard ivy]

transporting fluids is already kinda lossy, even with buffers. because you cannot really set fluid trains to only depart when empty/full

[wise junco]

something about fluid trains and long distance pipes makes my brain go buzz buzz

[mossy rock]

build it before you build your factory, that way it has time to fill while your building 😄

[wise junco]

nor would I want to! 🙂

[wise junco]

yes, this is the way

[shrewd palm]

fluid cars hold less than regular cars so technically its more optimal to package and then throw it into a regular car, but tbh i dont see the problem with running an extra train or throwing on a couple extra cars

[wise junco]

imo, the goal with fluid trains is to find that sweet spot where you're not overtransporting empty railcars while still moving good amounts each trip, but never letting it fill up

[hard ivy]

you can't get the max throughput without it 🤷‍♂️

[shut trout]

Yeah, I thought there was a formula you could use. I mean i suppose could just throw on another set of cars until you meet the needs

[wise junco]

interested to hear the argument here - I've never had issues doing it that way and had full throughput

[shrewd palm]

as for the "formula" i think you can just divide the time the route takes by the number of cars, and if that meets the throughput then you're all good and if not then add more trains/cars, as for what i do its what you just said @shut trout

[mossy rock]

it would be a stupidly complexe formula, it does exist tho technicluy

would need to take into account other trains on the track, because of signals, distance, speed, all sorts of stuff

[shrewd palm]

it might be the throughput you want instead of cars, i cant remember

[shrewd palm]

just timing the route takes care of all of that with reasonable accuracy

in the long run any small bumps will flatten out

[feral geyser]

This is a situation where you measure it and get an actual value, rather than try to predict a theoretical value.

[mossy rock]

or just add extra cars, that way u dont need to worry abt it

[hard ivy]

you can get enough throughput without it, but you can't get the maximum. I mean you can, but only if you time your train exactly to hit the max.

with depart when empty/full, it'll automatically delay the train to depart that that optimal time, as long as it arrived before that

[shut trout]

cool cool. appreciate it

[shrewd palm]

still a good idea to time it in case you want to add another train ig

[wise junco]

If you have two trains running the same route, and they both grab 50% of the load, and are in constant motion... would you not still attain max throughput through the system?

[mossy rock]

if your using mono rails, i have a train network going across my entire world

[shrewd palm]

thats how you'd do it

[true mulch]

added that as hover text (it'll take a while to update though)

[shrewd palm]

just so that you dont end up with the trains getting stuck at stations/to get optimal throughput, better to have one leaving a drop off while the other is leaving the pickup

[hard ivy]

how do you plan on ensuring that?

[wise junco]

I typically run my aluminum setup like that with no loss that I've ever seen - I'll train out the alumina solution with an industrial buffer on the exporting and importing stations to ensure that the fluid has somewhere to go while loading/unloading during the pause. I've never had any factory fluctuations from it

I can't prove it's perfect but observably to me, it works flawlessly

I usually run two locos with 2x freight cars ea loaded up and it never fills up completely nor runs empty

[hard ivy]

top one is how it looks like with depart when empty/full, bottom with default settings
https://imgur.com/a/4jR1BAR

sure, if you only need like 600/min, both will do just fine

but for 800/min, the time window for default settings is tiny

too early, and you lose throughput, too late and it's the same

with depart when empty/full, you can't be too early

[mossy rock]

how in the WORLD did i play this game before i figured out middle click copied buildings 😭 best feature ever ngl

[wise junco]

this is very interesting data. I think I'm having trouble wrapping my head around the notion that additional freight cars/locos wouldn't fix it?

[hard ivy]

additional wagons to the same train would fix it

additional trains potentially wouldn't. depends where on the graph you are

[wise junco]

ah gotcha

[mossy rock]

cars*

[wise junco]

seriously thank you for the graphs, that's helpful

[true swallow]

aren't splitters and mergers supposed to be able to connect with a conveyor lift now?

[mossy rock]

it SUCKS tho

[true swallow]

Ok so it's not just me then. Makes me feel better

[wise junco]

what issues are you guys having with the connection to lifts?

[solid storm]

Can you get to a higher build mode without the jetpack? I'm finding it hard to place bigger items like the coal generator.

[mossy rock]

no issue

[hard ivy]

the exact numbers on the graphs are for specific values I randomly chose, but the general shape is always the same

[mossy rock]

rocket fuel

[shrewd palm]

just have to make due until you get the hoverpack

[mossy rock]

oh wait what? nvm

[shrewd palm]

although you could try setiing up some sort of catwalk system

[solid storm]

ok then, ty

[wise junco]

it will definitely be something I consider as I build out this playthrough. maybe do some more in-detail messing around

[thick oak]

There are lookout towers you can place to stand on.

[wise junco]

this or ladders and higher foundations can be friends

[hard ivy]

or better jetpack fuel

[plain gate]

how big of fps cost is glass windows lol

[stray herald]

Just spent 30 minutes building a small factory to produce 480 iron ingots.......
...
... To make Steel ingots...

I forgot it needs ore 💔

[hard ivy]

solid steel

[thick oak]

Alt recipie

[stray herald]

Time to grind hard drives

[little sonnet]

how does the output amount work? if its producing 13 at a time and says 65 per minute, is 65 the full amount per minute it outputs in batches of 13?

[hard ivy]

It makes 13 every 12 seconds, so 65 per minute on average

[thick oak]

It can craft 13 items 5 times per minute, for a total of 65 items to be removed.

[little sonnet]

alright cool thanks

[final lotus]

As a new player, am I better off making one main factory that everything gets shipped to? Or should I just have multiple factories that ship to each other if needed.

[thick oak]

I make lots of little ones, easier to organize.

[true mulch]

neither

[stray herald]

I am using the latter approach
A big factory means constant upgrades to one building, which I personally can't do

[true mulch]

!wikisearch independency

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=independency

[hard ivy]

Beat me to it lol

[hard ivy]

Yeah, I'd consider that the easiest building strategy

[final lotus]

alrighty cool, thank you all

40 hours and not doing too ideal so, just wanted to see how more experienced players did it.

[thick oak]

Wiggly worm factories just to get things producing, then going back and making something permanent usually.

[heavy pine]

I've got about 924 hours in the game; you'd think I'd know what I'm doing by now.

[shrewd palm]

12 constructors, 10 assemblers, and 50 manufacturers until i can get this nuclear power plant online

the week long adventure is coming to a close

[final lotus]

Alrighty so If I want to start producing a whole new component, Should I go find a whole new iron spot?

And keep finding iron for each new copponent I want to produce?

[thick oak]

You don't have to find new nodes once you get a better drill, you just have more iron.

[final lotus]

Oh right

[shrewd palm]

and some drone issues apparently

will drones not run if the drone port is full?

[thick oak]

Mine keep flying their same route no matter how little or how much they carry. It's kinda crappy.

[shrewd palm]

interesting

[frail sleet]

For the most part, yes

you can get 2x ore from mk.2 miner fairly early, you can also overclock for another 2.5x, but when you do that it's fairly easy to split the resulting ore in half and take the new half.

[shrewd palm]

most of the drones i have set up work fine and those ports are all running into awesome sinks

but i set up a couple new pairs of drones despite having another port to go to they dont want to leave the one at my power plant

[frail sleet]

They won't leave if they're waiting to unload

[shrewd palm]

ahh

[frail sleet]

otherwise, if they have fuel then they should

[shrewd palm]

more awesome sinks then

[frail sleet]

Why sink the stuff that they're bringing, though?

unless you need the drone to take A to B and B to A, and don't mind wasting excess

[signal shale]

man, am I the only one whose first big joy in a Satisfactory run being when you turn on the power to make your first coal setup come online?

It felt so good to not have to scavenge for biomass anymoree

[split pewter]

no

i still grab biomass but thats mainly for crafting (because each stage has a buffer

[shrewd palm]

just for overflow ig, very much wont be sinked and its nice to have that extra layer of redundancy for this

[frail sleet]

There's no redundancy though, the drone will only stop if you have more than plenty of materials

and it will resume as soon as the buffer is not completely full

so what you are doing with a sink is deleting materials that are buffered for your machines

[shrewd palm]

it'll be for a power plant so any little thing counts

idrk

[split pewter]

is non fissile uranium sinkable

[frail sleet]

no

[split pewter]

so you have to process it into plutonium

[shrewd palm]

iirc the only sinkable radioactive items are ore and fuel rods

[split pewter]

aw

ion wanna process allat but its the only way to actually get rid of uranium waste

(except for ficsonium)

[signal shale]

you know, having played Factorio? If there's just one thing I could get ported over, it would be thee ability to lock down storage containers so they can max out at, say, a single stack of an item and let the rest just flow through or back up.

[split pewter]

so more customizable buffers

[hard ivy]

In Factorio, that helps you conserve resources by not making stuff you aren't gonna use. But in Satisfactory, with resource nodes that never run out, there's nothing worth conserving

[signal shale]

yeah, I don't need a whole shipping container of rotors, but having a stack of them as a buffer would be so nice.