satisfactory

[near frost]

i feel so stupid

[limpid cairn]

i did the same lol

tbf it was worth imo

for the 5 sec dopamine shoping

[near frost]

lol

[limpid cairn]

tbf half of the stuff isnt really needed

that you get from hard drive hunting

[gritty zealot]

is it possible to unlock every single alternate recipe? or do you have to be careful about your choices with the limited hard drives? never looked into it.

[hard ivy]

yes, there's like 5 more drives on the map than you can use

[near frost]

extra?

new info

[limpid cairn]

you can buy harddrives with coupons if you have to lategame

[hard ivy]

you don't have to tho

and it's expensive as frick

[white dawn]

Of course "expensive" definitely depends on your sinking strategy throughout the game plus whether or not you want to try and get all the trophies. If you don't care about the trophies then it's not hard to otherwise buy out the shop, and you may have plenty of coupons to spare

[noble stratus]

#screenshots message slowly but surely

[glad drum]

this is so beautiful and neat

[noble stratus]

#screenshots message

[hybrid copper]

Is there a better furnace then tier 1? 😭

[hard ivy]

no, but there are better recipes

[hybrid copper]

Recipes?

[hard ivy]

recipes for ingots

[hybrid copper]

Ohhh so they smelt faster? Sorry I'm new

[limpid cairn]

whats the optimal distance between 2 train stations?

im guessing 1 foundation for fluids and hard objects?

[hard ivy]

smelt faster and give you more ingtots per ore

[gritty zealot]

please elaborate?

[limpid cairn]

you have like 4 train stations next to each other like

| | | |
| | | |
| | | |
| | | | (each line is 1 train station)

and im asking what the optimal best distance between them ist

[gritty zealot]

this is entirely based upon how you want to design your factory, i don't think there would be a preset answer for this, it depends on your style

if you think you might need space in between then add some, if not, dont

[limpid cairn]

😔

I guess 1 foundation it is

[gritty zealot]

i suppose

[topaz shale]

If possible for stuff, is it just better to use the mk1 pipes instead of the mk2 pipes since it is difficult to get the full throughput of the mk2 in a lot of situations?

[white dawn]

The throughput problems that folks can run into w/ mk2 mostly just start showing up as you try to push throughput to 600/min, and technically you can run into the same problems pushing mk1 pipes to 300/min (though that's far less common)

[hard ivy]

I mean if you can use a mk1, you're nowhere near the limit of a mk2

in general, if you can use a mk1, you should use a mk1 and not a mk2

[white dawn]

There are some recommendations for pipe build style which will often allow you to build 600/min systems without problems, too; once you're used to those (or have your own style which works for you) then you can generally just build and not think about it

But yeah, also what KYO297 said. :D

[topaz shale]

Because I'm planning on pushing 1,200/min of crude oil and water and so was wondering if it is fine to just use the mk2 pipes or if the mk1 pipes are slightly more reliable for throughput consistency.

[mortal ginkgo]

just pretend mk2 is 595 and not 600m2.

some people also reported using mk1 for entry points to buildings from manifolds

[white dawn]

Here's the advice I've got saved which will nearly always get you to working 600/min. IMO it's good advice even below that point, though the system is usually more forgiving before then. Note of course that people have gotten working systems while ignoring large swaths of this, and occasionally due to build styles or other vagaries you might still have problems even with all this. But IME it's nearly always "the pipes Just Work":

1. Keep the system as simple and short as possible.
2. Loop your manifolds (so: the input goes into both sides of the machines you're feeding)
3. Feed fluid from above, so gravity does part of the work for you
   4a. Avoid valves entirely (they've been improved for 1.0, so this one might not be as important, but you still don't actually need valves)
   4b. Avoid fluid buffers entirely (except as buffers for train lines, where they are rather necessary)
4. Prefill your pipes! Full pipes are happy pipes. Wait until the system's thoroughly saturated before turning machines on.
5. Place junctions before pipes. If you do snap junctions onto pipes, dismantle and rebuild the pipes afterwards.

See #screenshots message for an example of 2+3 specifically. And of course, as mentioned, the fluid simulation tends to be more forgiving as the rate goes down, so keeping your pipe systems below 600/min is another option too.

[topaz shale]

Ah yup, limiting what goes in to a building will help with some problems.

[hard ivy]

mk2 pipes can do 600/min, especially with oil and water. but I'd be prepeared that it might not work

there are some layouts that work better than others too

[topaz shale]

Yeah I've been using a simple manifold set up for fluids. Making sure that all the inputs and outputs are above and so far that has been working even with having to use all of 600/min of throughput. I'll look around for some set up ideas to hopefully be able to fix the issue. If all else fails, I'll just connect the manifold setup to the middle instead of connecting the fluid at either end, allowing me to go from mk2 to mk1 pipes easily.

Since fluids split at junctions evenly.

[hard ivy]

it's harder to make a 600/min pipe than to consume one

[topaz shale]

True true. I think I've had no problems with 600/min for water and oil but everything else, yeah agreed.

Well, no other way to find out other than to build it and see.

[regal arch]

any one know why my ada lines don’t work anymore? audio is turned on for that. sometimes she’ll talk for half a second then silent again

[quasi frigate]

hey all, how do you keep track, of, all the lines, of conveyers coming in early on, on how much the belt is bringing in? and as you upgrade to new tiers of belts and miners and so on
as you bring in more and more?

go out and figure how much each belt is, then put signs down or something? lol

[gritty zealot]

hi, the only thing i could come up with is maybe you changed the skip audio keybind in the settings to something like 'W'

[quasi frigate]

I find i have tons of different conveyors coming in currently, and its like wow, I need to try to keep track of how much is coming in to each belt or something

[gritty zealot]

early game i assume?

theres an item later on which you place on a conveyor belt and it calculates the amount of items per minute

[quasi frigate]

coal gen, and upgrading to mk2 miners and mk3 belts and so on, but phew I have lots of different ones coming in from so many directions from before, and I rebuilt my base, tore down old base, and wanted to organize what all is coming in lol

like the conveyor throughput item? I guess that would tell me, how much would be coming through at full if the belt is full, so you dont have to go to each miner and calculate it out? lol

[gritty zealot]

do the maths, or use 'satisfactory modeler' and place down signs

[quasi frigate]

haven't tried those yet

should try that perhaps

so many lines from many directions, I might even redo and make all these outside my base belts come together, to make it easier to manage and so on lol

[gritty zealot]

by any chance, are you building stupidly long conveyor belts that travel to your base of operation?

[quasi frigate]

currently, until I get trains or something else yes lol

ends up being, LOTS of long belts lol

[gritty zealot]

i did the same

not lots, i rushed to get trains so i could do things properly

i suggest you do the same

[quasi frigate]

ah hmm, I could see what it takes to get trains unlocked haha

[gritty zealot]

"make it exist, then make it good"

[neon hollow]

Factssss

[quasi frigate]

sounds good, I'll see if I cant get to trains real quick lol

[neon hollow]

Unlocked trains like a couple months ago started off with making a highway for my trucks now it changed to a massive railway going everywhere and anywhere

[glad drum]

On the contrary - if you just splitter all your belts and make them all 60 items per minute then you can have a giant river of mk1 belts and you will always know its 60/min

[white dawn]

I'm about to suggest a different method of building altogether, btw, which kind of completely sidesteps your actual question: Instead of bringing all your material to one central location (or "main base"), another option is to build lots of smaller factories all over the map, right next to the nodes that they need to produce their stuff

That way you're not worrying about keeping track of your input belts at all; you just hook the factory up to exactly what material it needs, and then it stays like that forever.

If you ever need to make more of that resource again in the future, you just do it inside a brand new factory

[shy mulch]

Or do what I do and have a giant river of mk6 belts carrying 1200/min of everything 😄

[glad drum]

That works even better! Cause you can paint them over-saturated colors and make them glow like lightsabers 😉

[white dawn]

Basically just recommending https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency again; worth a read IMO. :) It may sound like it's more work, but honestly it tends to be a lot easier (IMO anyway). When you try to centralize all your production in one place you end up running into a lot of logistical and design problems that just Don't Exist™ if you spread out instead

[quasi frigate]

like, at the miners, smelt them etc? so you dont have to worry about smelting at another location, and just bring down the smelted things to the base? or you mean process even further, smelt and create things based on how much it can do, at that location as well? if so, you just pick and choose, ok these miners will do iron plates, or so on?

[quasi frigate]

ah I'll check that page out thanks!

[shy mulch]

work in progress in #screenshots

[white dawn]

Basically, each factory takes in ore and spits out a product. So like you'll end up having rotors produced in a bunch of different factories all over the map, wherever rotors are needed

[quasi frigate]

so, you got screenshots you could share in the screenshots channel, for like, one of your mini factories at a mine as an example? and I'm reading the page

[quasi frigate]

so, have multiple factories of types of products being made, then, bring those products to where you might want or need them etc I guess?

[white dawn]

Eventually you start to encounter situations where you do want to produce one part in one area of the map and then ship it over to another part for further processing, but that's sort of just one geographically-distributed factory

[quasi frigate]

so at one mine, you might need copper or coal or so on, at an iron mine, so you bring that copper/coal over, and product what END product you're trying to make?

[white dawn]

The page describes it better than I can, probably, but it's more: you make a factory which makes Rotors, for your own personal use. That goes to your personal storage, for when you need it using the build gun. Then whenever you need rotors in some other factory, the factory just makes more rotors right onsite

[quasi frigate]

yeah like a storage/logistics/warehouse to distribute elsewhere

[white dawn]

It's not that you've got multiple "rotor factories," it's just that you've got factories which happen to make some rotors right inside them, but it's just as an intermediate product

[quasi frigate]

ah ok like put in dimensional depot, and split off, bringing it elsewhere as well

[white dawn]

Nah, if I have a factory which needs copper+coal+iron, I would find a spot on the map which has all three of those right nearby, and make the factory right there

(Eventually you do get to a point where you might need to bring some raw material in from far away, but in general I try to just build factories near all the nodes it needs)

[quasi frigate]

ah ok, so, belt them on over, to that mini factory (or other ways to move them later)

[white dawn]

And of course this is just one way to play. IMO it solves a lot of problems that newer players tend to run into, and leads to some nice clean logistics everywhere, but so long as you're having a good time, you're playing the game right

[quasi frigate]

so how do you determine how far down the line, a mini factory produces an item? like you say rotors are intermediaries, at that point, you choose like, versatile framework or so on? (as thats one example of what I need and am working on towards space elevator towards the next phase upgrade I believe)

[white dawn]

So take it or leave it, as a build strategy. :)

[quasi frigate]

yeah thanks for the tips, I like that concept, its interesting, just wanting to learn more on how it works, and I'm reading the page too

[shy mulch]

also for relatively small quantities over large distances, drones work very well

[quasi frigate]

ah not at drones stage atm lol

[shy mulch]

it's just another option to think about when the time comes 🙂

[white dawn]

If you follow Independency pretty closely, a factory only ever outputs to your own personal storage. So back to Rotors, that Rotor factory only outputs to the stuff you use (so yeah, hooking that up to Dimensional Depot is quite handy)

[wraith lotus]

#screenshots message

Is this what I should be doing?

[river oriole]

How can i control the parts per minute in satosfactory modeler?

[hard ivy]

skip the buffer

[river oriole]

i want it to be more

[hard ivy]

let it make more?

you limited it somewhere

[quasi frigate]

if it is factories for your personal storage, what about for the factory itself? lol

[river oriole]

How

[hard ivy]

it makes as much as it can

[wraith lotus]

oh, I heard it was better to have a buffer

[river oriole]

it shows that a mk2 makes 60 iron on pur node

[white dawn]

And of course, as I say, eventually you're gonna want to separate things geographically a bit, so you may have some "sub-factories" or whatever (or at least that's what I call 'em). Like: ```
[Sub-Factory 1] ----
>-----> [Factory] ----> (resource output)
[Sub-Factory 2] ----/

It's quite common to want to do that for like oil + aluminum, for instance, which often encourage some degree of geographical centralization for their production

[hard ivy]

it doesn't. it just defaults to 60/min on every miner you add. switch off "parts per minute" in its settings and then it'll work as an actual miner

[white dawn]

And of course it's not like you have to follow Independency religiously, even if you sort of generally follow it

[quasi frigate]

ah ok, well thanks for the tips! and I'm reading the page, sounds quite interesting

[river oriole]

now it just shows 1/4 machines

[unkempt blade]

are there going to be multiple routes assigned to each stations? multiple trains per route?

[hard ivy]

set it to 1 then?

[unkempt blade]

it's worth noting that the most efficient and delightful connection is factory carts

[green fiber]

if you dont need more than 300/min, use mk 1
if you need more, use mk 2

damn, discord didnt scroll

oh well, no ping so no problem

[white dawn]

In a way I've done everyone a disservice by not including "carts" in that list, eh?

[shy mulch]

ping

[shy mulch]

they technically come under the "whatever" category, so I'd say they were included

[unkempt blade]

your explanation was great it was just missing that one little detail 😄

[subtle escarp]

Hello,
Long time since I've used drones, I remember it was possible to, with only two ports, send a drone from A to B, and make it return, but without configuring nothing in B, this way we can have a C going to B and picking up things from there too.

Is this an allucination or it can be made?

[white dawn]

Correct, you can configure multiple drones to have the same destination

[topaz shale]

This is probably what I'll end up doing. Maybe change how I connect up the manifold.

[quasi frigate]

so I'm reading it, I'm curious
it says no need to really rebuild or expand
what if you had mk1 miners for example, and then you go back and upgrade to mk2, and faster belts and so on?
Then I guess you'd rebuild or expand etc that mini factory

[white dawn]

That's easiest done when the drones are picking up material, since the drones won't have to wait any longer than the other drones' landing/takeoff animations

[subtle escarp]

Then, how can I configure the drone to return automatically? I think i've tested this a few days ago and the drone wasn't returning until I've set port B with destination port A

[white dawn]

If you have multiple drones dropping off at the same port, other drones might also have to wait for the port buffers to clear out, since drones will wait at their port until they can fully unload all their cargo

[hard ivy]

drones go from their home port (the one you placed it on) to one other port and then automatically return

[cerulean linden]

I JUST GOT SATISFACTORY AND I LOVE IT

TY DEVS FOR MAKING SUCH A PEAK GAME!!!!!

[subtle escarp]

Don't know what happened in that test then, I'll try it again and wait a bit more haha
Thanks to both!!

[hard ivy]

so place drones on A and C, send them to B, place nothing on B and don't configure anything in B

[white dawn]

If you follow that strategy, the original factory (which just used the mk1 miner output) would never be touched again -- you'd just let that continue making whatever it was making before. But yeah, you might upgrade the miner to mk2 and then split off the ore for use in a second nearby factory, if you wanted to

[rare rivet]

I've never done aluminum before, is it as complicated as the recipe chain seems, few elements but byproducts and fluids are scary

[quasi frigate]

ah ok, interesting

kind of like, making a constant in programming, once you make the mini factory, think of it as done, so you dont have to redo over and over

[white dawn]

It's a bit complicated in that it's got the fluid "recycling" issue. There's a few ways to deal with the recycled fluid. My favorite is to make use of the recycled fluid inside the same factory, but not combine the "fresh" and "recycled" pipe networks.

So basically you figure out how much total water you need in the first step (call that X). Then that'll produce a certain amount of "recycled" water at the aluminum scrap step (call that Y). So you'd have X-Y fresh water being sent to one set of refineries, and Y recycled water being sent to another set of refineries (underclocking/overclocking machines so that the numbers work)

A couple examples of that: #math-and-meta message

Another option that a lot of folks do is to just use all fresh water, and send the "recycled" water to some other process (like Wet Concrete or whatever)

[rare rivet]

What about the chad method of packaging it then sinking it /s

[white dawn]

You can also combine the fresh+recycled fluids if you want, and once you know how to do that properly it can work just fine. But IMO it's not worth the debugging time to figure out how to build a system like that reliably. :D I personally prefer to just keep fresh+recycled totally separate

[rare rivet]

What if the recycled doesn't quite meet what one machine can produce? How do you supplement the missing water?

[white dawn]

underclocking/overclocking. :)

[hard ivy]

underclock and build an extra refinery

[rare rivet]

Oh fair enough

[hard ivy]

or VIP

[rare rivet]

Sometimes it's the simple answer

[rare rivet]

How is a very important person gonna help

[hard ivy]

variable input priority

[rare rivet]

That is a scary collection of words, I'm afraid it exceeds my IQ level

[white dawn]

Heh, VIP Junction is a thing you can read about in here: https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/images/Pipeline_Manual.pdf

[hard ivy]

lets you use the byproduct water before the fresh water automatically

[rare rivet]

Okay yeah that's actually too big brain for me, I'm sure I could understand it with time but I am too lazy

[cerulean linden]

Real

[rare rivet]

It's cool that it's possible without any actual system of priority for pipes

[cerulean linden]

At what point do I get conveyers?

[rare rivet]

It's one of the very first things after the hub is built

[cerulean linden]

asdasdhasdh

[mortal ginkgo]

Sure I go do that. First Tractor I always use is bringing coal to iron to make steel

[rare rivet]

I tend to only use tractors if there's an open coal vein nearby

[mortal ginkgo]

I wouldn't say all in same location but closer the better, at least until trains.

My primary intention with tractors is to find a good Iron Ore spot, bring Coal to it to make Steel

[white dawn]

I'm presonally quite fond of tractors and use them quite extensively into Phase 3 (and continue to create the occasional tractor route even into the lategame, where appropriate)

[mortal ginkgo]

Quartz and Caterium are mostly needed at phase 3, where you will unlock trains to brain stuff the best way possible around. I wouldn't worry about them THAT much at first.

[white dawn]

A couple of semi-unsolicited bits of advice:

1. After recording a route, make sure you're not left with any blue "pause nodes" on the route. There's a game bug related to those. You can walk up to them and delete them if you see any
2. I'd recommend not building your own roads. Just use the map's natural roads. This does kind of restrict what routes you can use, but IMO the tradeoff is well worth it

[rare rivet]

Just send the route straight through the forest and hope the AI makes it

[leaden turret]

ᵇᵉˡᵗ ᵃˡˡ ᵗʰᵉ ᵗʰᶦⁿᵍˢ

[hard ivy]

I haven't built a tractor, truck, explorer or a factory cart in literal years

[rare rivet]

When linking blueprints do you have to click when it shows the link symbol? Am I an idiot who couldn't figure it out with rails

[white dawn]

Yeah, it's fun to watch the li'l sugarcubes trundling about

[hollow halo]

So.. I managed to auto iron stuff last night, even if it’s inefficient. What would be my next step?

[rare rivet]

Copper!

And concrete, get that setup early and going into a crate so you can thank your past self in the future

Easy

[hollow halo]

I think I have that set up going too

[wary vessel]

the step after that is to make number go up

parts per minute go up, belt speed go up, resource nodes go up...

[hollow halo]

They’re all so slow tho…

[wary vessel]

Precisely why number go up is important

[hollow halo]

How to make number go up?

[wary vessel]

Play the game more

Get some progress going

[hard ivy]

make more

[wary vessel]

So true

[hollow halo]

Well I do have my stuff set up to iron nodes…

[wary vessel]

I'm not building an 11,200 plastic and rubber per minute factory because it's practical

I build it for number go up dopamine

[near frost]

i wanted to ask is there any mods that u recommand like ones that dont change the games core gamplay at all but just helps with annoying stuff?

[rare rivet]

Jesus

Any oil left in the world?

[wary vessel]

Nope

12,600 m3/min

Its not done yet because it's fuckin huge

[mortal ginkgo]

This is pure madness.

[wary vessel]

I'll drop some screenshots when I get back to my dorm

Gimme like 10m

[rare rivet]

No trains right

[hard ivy]

SkyUI for permaday (and time of day control for screenshots)

Hoverpack configurator to make the hoverpack not useless

[near frost]

i use SkyUI but i will see the hoverpack one

[rare rivet]

Whattt the hover pack sucks?

[mortal ginkgo]

its not purely useless but could definitely has a larger range

[rare rivet]

Rip, anyone know if mods work on Linux and/or multiplayer?

[white dawn]

Hoverpack is far from useless. It's intended as a building aid while around powered infrastructure, and it excels at that

[hard ivy]

I think it does. mostly because the range is tiny. and it's a bit slow and drifts slowly when trying to hold still

[white dawn]

I'd also strongly disagree about its range being 'tiny.' The only downside IMO is that, yeah, it's a bit drify when trying to stop, but that's easily countered via muscle memory

[white dawn]

Yeah, should work fine on Linux. Multiplayer compatibility should be the same regardless of OS (there's a separate modding discord if you want to ask specific questions, btw -- a link is in #welcome )

[rare rivet]

Hmm noted, I'll have to see for myself when I get aluminum automated in a few years

It looks really cool and that's all that really matters

[white dawn]

IMO if you're getting annoyed by the hoverpack's range while building, it's because you haven't built out your hoverpack power scaffolding sufficiently. Just gotta stay near power, is all. :)

[leaden turret]

ceiling-mounted power connectors ftw

[white dawn]

(I do think it's be kind of neat if the hoverpack could optionally consume batteries, in addition to drawing power right from the grid)

[rare rivet]

How many foundations is the range

[wary vessel]

im back im gonna boot up the game and grab some screenshots of the big ass oil plant

[hard ivy]

8

[pallid tide]

Wait if drones only travel between two ports how do you get fuel to all of the home ports if they aren't all in the same place? Do you just need a fuel source at every factory that you want drones delivering to?

[mortal ginkgo]

this could be great to make batteries useful as they lost alot of reason to exist after drones decided that there are other fuel options

[rare rivet]

I mean like the range where you stop getting power from the grid, I'm assuming this is the flight distance?

[white dawn]

Yeah, it's 64 meters from the closest powered thing

[hard ivy]

you have to be within 64m of a power connector

[rare rivet]

Whattt, that sounds great on paper

[wary vessel]

it is great

[hard ivy]

and it slows down as you get close to the end of the range

[white dawn]

Yeah, I honestly don't "get" when people complain about it. It's extraordinarily useful

[wary vessel]

awesome actually

especially the extra reach its so nice

[white dawn]

Like, yeah, could it have a longer range? Sure, but whatever.

[rare rivet]

I'd imagine after a lot of use it could get annoying but it'll prolly feel great when I've only ever used the jetpack

[hard ivy]

with 128m of range it's actually awesome. but with 64, I geniuinely prefer the jetpack

not being able to place a power pole at max range absolutely sucks

same with aligning blueprints

[white dawn]

mutter mutter insufficient power scaffolding cough cough :D

[rare rivet]

Maybe a hover pack mk2 that's stupidly hard to make would be cool as an acceptable upgrade? Lol

[hard ivy]

nah, they clearly don't want it to be any better

the range was actually buffed in 1.0

it used to be 50

it was actually unusable for me back then

now it's just meh

[rare rivet]

Do you keep a jetpack on you at all tim- actually u can just throw it in dim storage

[hard ivy]

I just keep it on me

[hard ivy]

with the depot, the inventory is only useful when dismantling large numbers of BPs

[true mulch]

Drone port hubs. One port brings the fuel and supplies it to the other ports in the hub

[white dawn]

If you keep it in dimensional storage you lose the ability to quick-swap to it; would have to manually drag the thing out whenever you wanted to swap

[rare rivet]

You can quick swap that stuff from inv?

[white dawn]

(I do really wish we had a way to assign explicit hotkeys for swapping, rather than having that list sort of dynamically generated)

[white dawn]

You can use the number keys to swap for stuff that's in the top "special" area. Or if what you want isn't in there, at least you can shift-click (or whatever it is) from the inventory

[pallid tide]

ohhh so basically set up several hubs at a reliable fuel source and then they deliver fuel to other factories drone hubs?

[rocky raft]

Ye there are plenty of QoL mods that don’t change gameplay

[white dawn]

As I say, I wish there was a good way to make the hotkeyable slots static

[wary vessel]

go check #screenshots

[white dawn]

But at least you can shift-click in the inventory; I wouldn't want to have to drag stuff out of the depot every time

[rare rivet]

I didn't know about the number thingy, seems annoying if I sort my inv tho... Still a nice thing to know

[wary vessel]

here's the progress on the 12,600 oil/min factory

[near frost]

like what? idk whats good or bad

[rare rivet]

I love the colors

[rocky raft]

ProperSave
LobbyVotesSave
WolfoQualityOfLife
Exchange_Changes

[near frost]

thx

saved

i will look up what they do

[rare rivet]

Is there a distinction between client and multiplayer mods? Where some can be used without the other player using it. Or would this question be more appropriate in the modding discord

[wary vessel]

thanks! when i did the square of refineries, one of my friends said it looked like an early 200s scifi movie factory and ive been leaning into that a lot lol

[rigid glen]

Seeing streamers play this game without the knowledge of shift+click and ctrl+click for inventory makes me mental lol

[true mulch]

The fuel source has a drone port that is supplied with fuel. Other drones can visit to grab the fuel from there and supply each drone port hub

[wary vessel]

i just posted another screenshot with the epic environmental impact of my big ass concrete square

its fantastic

spire coast is so beautiful that i just HAD to crush the natural landscape with my even more beautiful gridsnapped industrial hellscape

[near frost]

how long do u think my PC will last until i have to lower graphics from ultra to high

i have an RX 7800XT and Ryzen 7 7500X with 32GB of RAM

like at what phase i am start dropin below 200FPS

[hard ivy]

forever. the game doesn't get more or less GPU intensive as it goes on

[white dawn]

I have not tested/experienced myself, btw, but I believe the common consensus is that "Ultra" does basically nothing that's detectable by humans. Can save yourself some heat waste by lowering to High right away

[quick verge]

Im a little confused on flow rate. MK1 pipes have a limit of 300 m/s right? Does that mean they can only support 3 extractors? I have 16 coal gens, which should need 6 extractors. I have 8 and cant keep them from running out of water. Have it going up to a tank which sits above them, then being gravity fed down. Ive been pretty lucky with not having fluid issues in the past, so Im a little unsure what Ive done wrong. ive checked all the connections to be sure they dont go too far into the joints, etc. It just seems like they arent putting out enough water to keep them filled, so Im assuming its a mk1 pipe issue. I think previously I only had 8 coal gens in any single place.

[wary vessel]

ram usage on the other hand

[near frost]

wait what fr?

[white dawn]

As I say, I'm relaying secondhand info here, but I've heard that said multiple times. :)

[rigid glen]

8 gens, 3 extractors, keep the loops limited to these numbers, just make more loosp

[rare rivet]

My 14600k and 5070 struggles with the max settings on this game at 1080p 144hz lol

[near frost]

ok i will look that up... later

[white dawn]

Unless I'm misremembering things, of course

[near frost]

i am... 1440p lol

[rigid glen]

while 3 extractors is technically to much for a mk1 pipe, the gens are using the water as it goes, so it works out

[quick verge]

Got it, thanks. I wasnt sure I was understanding the flow rate math correctly. I'll seperate out the extractors

[rigid glen]

It's tough depending on your terrain. I try to build coal gens as close to water level to avoid pump issues, don't over engineer when you don't have to

Good luck

[feral geyser]

What pump issues are y'all having?

[leaden turret]

beans, beans, the magical fruit, the more you eat, the more you toot

[feral geyser]

Cuz I've never had any issues with pumps

[rigid glen]

@quick verge is figuring out coal power loops for the first time

[feral geyser]

You put em within/at the edge of the headlift of the thing before and they work just fine.

[wary vessel]

john pipe decided that my water will not be flowing on tuesdays

[rigid glen]

Then you're lucky and I'd shut up about it lol thousands of lines of chat are typed in here about fluid problems lol

[feral geyser]

Sounds like a skill issues

Git gud n00b

[rigid glen]

rolls eyes and sighs

[feral geyser]

(I tease)

[wary vessel]

bro i was at the ragebait convention and everyone was wondering where you were

[wary vessel]

(i jest)

[feral geyser]

But also, actually seriously, what actual problems do y'all have?

[wary vessel]

idk i dont have many issues but also i try to keep my pipes nice n organized

[feral geyser]

That is a given, of course

[rigid glen]

It wasn't a pump specific issue, just helping someone figure out the numbers for a proper coal/water/power loop

[burnt ferry]

im just realizing dark ion fuel seems to be not worth at all. you get 1 packaged rocket fuel for 2 rocket fuel (without that being lost, prolly just compressed, unpackage you get back 2 rf).. now the conversion from prf to dark ion fuel is even worse than 1:1 like 12:10, AFTER the numerical amount has been halfed already... the default ionized fuel recipe just makes 1:1 rf to ionized fuel, so you get more than twice the amount of ionized fuel from it

[rigid glen]

I just got done beefing up my fuel gens so I can start in on the aluminum complex

[rocky raft]

Ok, if you need any help. You can message me

[near frost]

ok

[feral geyser]

It's definitely not worth it if your plan is to burn it in gens, but for the occasionally packaging for your jetpack, it's nice.

[wary vessel]

oh i forgot to mention,

my oil plant when finished will make a ridiculous 540 GW

[rigid glen]

I just saw on ImKibitz that Ionized is essentially rocket fuel power with the slow usage of lquid biofuel, best of both etc

[wary vessel]

THEN i can progress

[burnt ferry]

ye just the hassle of producing all the things.. and i already have to build 266 generators if i just use the rocket fuel 😂

[wary vessel]

ok but also ionized fuel is a pain in the ass

[rare rivet]

Is there an easy way to know if headlift isn't high enough for something, Ive got a case of it's 9-10.5m but I'm not exactly sure and it's over a long distance, if I could get a y coordinate that would be all I'd need

[rigid glen]

he says so in the video, it's mostly just for personal use

[burnt ferry]

ye but thats irrelvant for power generation 😂

i just use the liquid bio fuel. easier to make and insignificantly worse

[wary vessel]

true

[feral geyser]

It would be z, actually. But if you look at the UI for the pump, it tells you the head lift it's operating under at that moment.

[rare rivet]

Oh UE is shifted I forgot

[feral geyser]

Location&Rotation is the mod you are looking for.

[rigid glen]

While in build mode for the pump, place it, click H then look down the pipe, there should be a hologram showing the end of the pump power

[wary vessel]

wdym

[rare rivet]

Unreal engine uses a coordinate system with z being up

[feral geyser]

That works, but if it's too far away (laterally) from the last pump, or there are too many junctions between, it won't show the head lift hologram

[wary vessel]

oh right yeah

i always forget that z is up in ue

not sure why they didnt just use y like a normal person

[rigid glen]

blech sorry, i'm out of ideas then

[feral geyser]

Cuz X,Y is the surface you walk on, z is vertical

That's also perfectly valid.

[wary vessel]

well no shit its just a strange way to do it considering like every other engine does y vertical

just a consistency thing

[feral geyser]

THAT is the way that I think is weird.

[rigid glen]

3d printers use Z vertical as well 🙂

[rare rivet]

It's not that uncommon of a coordinate system tbf

[wary vessel]

me omw to 3d print the satisfactory map

[feral geyser]

During my entire MV Calc class, x-y is a horizontal plane and z goes up.

[burnt ferry]

#screenshots message brah! thats by far the most useful message in this chat in months

[rigid glen]

Glad it helped

[feral geyser]

Honestly though, I saw someone who did prints of the Sugar Cube and I really want one.

[burnt ferry]

in minecraft y is height, isnt it?

[feral geyser]

Yes

[rare rivet]

My extractors are like a couple hundred meters from the platform they go up to, can't exactly use a pump to see

[feral geyser]

It's annoying

[vale grotto]

Why not? Pumps have infinite horizontal range

[burnt ferry]

well if you take the sheet of paper from math class and then look at it while standing, y is up 😂

[feral geyser]

The headlift hologram does not though

[vale grotto]

Ah true

[feral geyser]

I'm aware

And z would be coming out of whiteboard

[vale grotto]

Could place and connect the pump and check the UI?

[burnt ferry]

notch is pretty chunky

[burnt ferry]

psa: be aware you need to have the pipe length to see the hologram

the pipe height more specifically

==> if you dont see it, pumps strong enough

[bronze dagger]

is it viable to have a massive smelting factory that I bring in all my basic ores (iron and copper) and ship the ingots out to dedicated factories

[burnt ferry]

its viable to have amassive refineries factory for pure recipes

with a small smelter section for pure alu

but i would build these specifically close to water and the ore node

[wanton fox]

is worth doing diamonds with oil? or rather use coal?

[limpid cairn]

Yes

[bronze dagger]

im at the point where Im struggling to find out how to create an excess of the basic materials (iron rods metal sheets) and also have those for my factories

[burnt ferry]

i need 9900 liimestone for cloudy diamonds as many as i can make from like 2000 crude oil

[burnt ferry]

you make separate facilities for that

[bronze dagger]

so it is worth having a small outpost factory that just makes sheets?

[burnt ferry]

your building mats will typically require only one or two machines and a link to the depot

[bronze dagger]

im not that far ahead

[burnt ferry]

and then you can make large batteries of production chains for phase material or thelike

[burnt ferry]

i kinda try to snack me a link to the depot from some existing production that does run into overproduction

[wanton fox]

well taking from that point you are right, there more limestone and coal than oil

[lime ermine]

Not the best idea but I'm doing it in my current playthrough

[rigid glen]

This question is at the heart of each player's style. I will usually make all items onsite for each advanced item factory. Many people want to do like you and create masses of basic parts peripherally and then feed factories as needed by rail or drone

[burnt ferry]

idk ... thing is, the requirement came from a chain that initially needs 600 crude oil... so say i would use the crude oil resources to make more of thatinstead for diamonds.. i would just need like 30k limestone 😂

[burnt ferry]

i say with the dimensional depot an 'outpost' you have to visit to get mats is viable for nobody

with the depot i have effectively unlimited material of anything i create a link for and whichs production is working.. i have 4 concrete links, i can spam foundations like a maniac and never run out

[limpid cairn]

You’ll run out even with 4 links

Im speaking from experience

[burnt ferry]

maybe with a blueprint that has 6x6 stacks of 1m foundations

[rigid glen]

That's for building, the depot doesn't really change how you decide to feed your factories

[limpid cairn]

No I ran out with 4 links just while I was zooping😔

[proud bough]

Yk what would be cool but will probably never be done dimen. depot downloaders

[burnt ferry]

i do run out of things i have only one link to.. but the point is its still unlimited, just have to wait then

[burnt ferry]

infinite zooping maybe

[limpid cairn]

nope I’m on vanilla

I was just building a small train track

[burnt ferry]

idk bro.. then your links are just slow 😂 but its also irrelevant for the question in the beginning

[willow glen]

I’ve had 5 depots uploading concrete at 120/min each and still manage to zoop foundation faster than it can upload. No mods

[burnt ferry]

nobody really needs 4 links to anything

[proud bough]

They'd let you pull specified items from your dimen. storage onto a belt

[burnt ferry]

120 is not the fastest though

[willow glen]

for concrete I recommend 3-5, everything else one is more than enough usually

[static spruce]

I wanna know who's the psychopath that created the stinger and decided to put them in all over the new forest and the swamps 😭

[willow glen]

Waste of Mercer spheres to upgrade it any higher when the only thing you can use faster than that is concrete, which can be solved more cheaply by adding more depots.

[burnt ferry]

person could use metal foundations or not care and just use default.. 1 is enough and yolu will notice if you need more

[limpid cairn]

I have the link speed on like 4 with 4 stacks of space

idk how I ran out too 💀

[burnt ferry]

theres enough spheres for all upgrades and enough depots

i still have 30 left

[willow glen]

my time isn’t infinite tho lol

[burnt ferry]

then upgrade the upload speed lul

[limpid cairn]

Not that easy

[burnt ferry]

youre contradicting yourself. i ssay make the upload faster you say no its too expensive and then you say your time is limited

[burnt ferry]

well im looking at mysavegame and say: obviously it is 😂

[limpid cairn]

I have to much depots placed

😔

[burnt ferry]

i build double links accidentally because i forgot and i still have 30 spheres left

with ALL upgrades

[proud bough]

Yk we need large uploaders that have more than one input

They'd cost more spheres or something but have like 4 inputs

[burnt ferry]

and i continue finding ones.. i just build some fuel generation in the eastern blue sink and i had actually farmed that already but i still found like 5 spheres

[trim vine]

You can always build a BP that has a splitter going into 3 ISC with depots on top of each one...

I usually have 6-9 depots uploading belt and pipe materials

[proud bough]

Yeah but that's sometimes space I don't have

[burnt ferry]

downloaders!!! 😂

[trim vine]

space is unlimited in this game

[silk ocean]

limited* xD

[proud bough]

Not on my factory floors

[trim vine]

then route them to a logistics floor where you have more room

[burnt ferry]

it is actually very clearly and precisely limited 😂

[trim vine]

Self inposing a restriction is all this is

[burnt ferry]

like you can calculate a precise square meters value 😂

cubes even

[proud bough]

The production floors are clean cause I like to cram logistics and uploaders into a logistics sub-floor

[trim vine]

Sure, there is a finite amount of space, but to just about everyone who isnt building mega factories and having to adjust their UObject limit, its effectively unlimited

[burnt ferry]

no its actually jus the size of the map, the min height you can survive at and the max height you can build 😂 bunch of simple numbers

[trim vine]

you clearly missed the point of my statement

[burnt ferry]

not clearly

[trim vine]

#satisfactory message

[burnt ferry]

deliberately

[hollow halo]

Huh… I need more power.. but idk how to make a power grid with biomass

[limpid cairn]

Pretty sure your pc stops working before the space runs out

[sullen gull]

@trim vine I apparently have too mush time on my hands .... 😏 #design-and-architecture message

[limpid cairn]

Place more bio gens and rush to coal

[burnt ferry]

math is not a feeling. its facts. nobody reaching a limit doesnt mean theres none.. its also the most common misconception leading to prediction s like 'nobody needs more thqn 64 kb ram' which we have heard too many to stlll be the same naive 👹

[limpid cairn]

Biomass is the worst thing you can have 🙏🙏🙏

[hollow halo]

Really??

[limpid cairn]

yes

It’s horrible

I can just go afk for 50h straight without my power running out in the other energy gens while at biomass I have to refill it every 10 min

[burnt ferry]

im rather impressed how many machines a hand ful of leaves can power

i mean.. smelting iron?

[limpid cairn]

You get 30mw with one biomass generator

or at least I did when using packaged biofuel

[burnt ferry]

yes

[rigid glen]

You create two bins, one for leaves, one for wood, then automate the creation of solid biomass with some constructors and bins

[burnt ferry]

thats fucking massive for a bunch of leaves and logs 😂

you usually just get an oven from that

[white dawn]

Bio Burners are only really meant to be the early-game "starter" power solution, which is very specifically engineered to be Not Good Compared To Any Other Power Generator

[rigid glen]

then you feed the solid biomass via belt to the power

[burnt ferry]

not 30 MW

[sullen gull]

As well as slooping the biomass production greatly helps

[burnt ferry]

and besides that one

[rigid glen]

once the solid biofuel is being made, you only need to refill avery few hours

[white dawn]

While I agree that technically it's the "worst thing you can have" powerwise, I dunno if I'd personally phrase it like that. It's just the starter tier which makes you hungry for automation, is all

[rigid glen]

Sure, but this isn't necessary, but a nice bonus

[burnt ferry]

it lasts pretty long for a starter tech

[white dawn]

Compared to how long you'll spend on all the other tiers/phases, it's quite brief. :)

[trim vine]

Crazy work

[burnt ferry]

yes of course but you dont know that when you play the game for the first time

i mean it used to last much longer when batteries was charged by them

[wheat yew]

#satisfactory message huh, this was like... eight years before 1.0. (ps. I can't do basic math)

[limpid cairn]

I can build train station behind a train station right ?

I just have to use block signals no?

[hard ivy]

not sure why you'd want that but yes

[limpid cairn]

Space issues

[hard ivy]

boutta have traffic issues instead lol

[limpid cairn]

It gets too wide

I lowkey got a better idea

[burnt ferry]

just make a split and return between each station

[hollow halo]

Gonna go auto copper now :D

[burnt ferry]

i solve having many 'platforms' by having sequential stations

[limpid cairn]

What’s the max amount of wagons can a train have

4 was it right ?

[burnt ferry]

4 is just optimal

dont know if theres a limit other than your power generation

[rigid glen]

I think more trains is preferred over longer trains

space is only one concern

[burnt ferry]

ye long trains can make complex paths and intersection cumbersome

[hard ivy]

there is no max if your rails are entirely flat. just the more wagons per locomotive you have, the slower the train will be

[burnt ferry]

right and with 4 the penalty is still bearable

[hard ivy]

1:4 is about what you want to have if you want your train to be able to climb 2m ramps

[limpid cairn]

How many wagons do y’all use per train on average ?

[burnt ferry]

4

[hard ivy]

2-6

[burnt ferry]

100% im not even building different types of stations

[silk ocean]

1-5 xD

[limpid cairn]

💀

[silk ocean]

I have some mixed delivery stations yea

[limpid cairn]

Same

The longest is I think 3 long

[hard ivy]

though for me the 6 is not the max. I just never needed more than 6

If I needed more, I'd just build more. but so far, I didn't need more than like 5k/min of a single item in one factory lmao

[limpid cairn]

And that’s for transporting plastic rubber and circuit board

[hollow halo]

Autoed my copper :D

[gusty bronze]

time to auto some more copper 😄

[limpid cairn]

Small advice, 1 smelter can deliver enough resources for 2 constructor (for the important things in your tier at least )

[unkempt blade]

so can a factory cart!

[reef basin]

eh, depends on recipes in both

(and clock speed of both)

[heavy pine]

I think I may be pushing my game too hard. It's been crashing on me fairly frequently. Maybe I'll have to rethink that plan of having a grid of roads all over the map.

[cursive totem]

given two choices (hypothetical); would you rather produce more of basic items (plate, screw, rod) or more advanced items (modular frames, rotors) from a given iron ore deposit, all else being equal, or does it not matter at all (im in phase 3 currently). i know i should just think about what i need but my builds are still mixed i need all of everything lol

[limpid cairn]

I believe you don’t need copper sheets early game

Especially not for phase 1

[reef basin]

pipes

[limpid cairn]

That’s in phase 2 I believe

[reef basin]

phase 2 is early game

[unkempt blade]

I'd make tons of of plates so I can build huge walls

[limpid cairn]

Same

[heavy pine]

Obnoxious amounts of concrete and iron plates for placing foundations and/or walls, yeah.

[limpid cairn]

You can cut out iron plates if you use concrete foundation or walls btw

they cost more tho

Like 2 concrete per foundation

[gusty bronze]

2 pure nodes with maxed mk6 belts mk3 miners with all the overclocks etc is still not enough for concrete

need mk4 and 5 miners added

and mk10 belts, they output before they even input

[limpid cairn]

How do you not have enough concrete with 2400 limestone per min 💀

[heavy pine]

Putting out so much product that you start your next game with several full storage containers.

[gusty bronze]

cause, blueprint building

[limpid cairn]

Okay tbh that’s only 800 ish concrete per min wtf

[small notch]

what tier do i unlock better power generation after biofuel

[gusty bronze]

oil

[limpid cairn]

Tier 2

[gusty bronze]

thought they meant liquid biofuel?

[reef basin]

3*

[limpid cairn]

is coal in tier 3?

[hard ivy]

yes

[reef basin]

yes

[gusty bronze]

blueprint building can and will wipe out all your plates and concrete in seconds, even at max storage and input speeds

[small notch]

so coal is next?

[limpid cairn]

I was referring to phase 2, mb guys

[limpid cairn]

Yes

[small notch]

ok ty

[limpid cairn]

You’ll never go back to biomass after you hit coal btw

If biomass is living on earth coal is living in heaven

[hollow halo]

I have a question

Is it possible to have 2 items on one conveyor belt?

[gusty bronze]

the answer is 42

[limpid cairn]

Yes

[gusty bronze]

highly recommend never putting 2 different items on a belt though, the efficiency gods will curse you for it

[hollow halo]

Hm..

[limpid cairn]

dont listen to them

Become a sushi restaurant

Build a sushi restaurant*

[gusty bronze]

still no in game taco truck

[gritty zealot]

don't listen to him, im actaully okay with that i wont curse you

[limpid cairn]

Join the light side

[hollow halo]

Well I need reinforced iron plates and like… idk how to make it good

[limpid cairn]

Join us

[hollow halo]

Cause my iron miner is still super slow

[limpid cairn]

Do you have mergers unlocked ?

[hollow halo]

Yes

[gusty bronze]

when you first start out, everything is slow, don't worry about it, you can upgrade stuff as you go and get more and more nodes, all the nodes, so many nodes that you can see it from space

but the moment you mix items on a belt, that becomes a long term problem

[limpid cairn]

You can technically merge 2 iron miners (if your conveyor speed allows it) or you use 2 nodes for screws and plates

[gusty bronze]

this, merge same items is a better choice

[cinder jay]

how important is versitile frames?

[hollow halo]

Hm…

[gusty bronze]

very

frames are a core component every tier after you unlock them

[limpid cairn]

I think in my first save I used 1 pure node for 1 reinforced per min

And it was super unoptimised

[hollow halo]

Sounds like I need to reorganize things again…

[limpid cairn]

Nope, didn’t need to use them once in phase 4 for now

Tbf I didn’t use nuclear energy and nitric acid yet

[hollow halo]

Man I love being braindead for factory games 🫠

[heavy pine]

You still need them as components for the later space elevator phases

[gusty bronze]

ah your right, brain skipped and read that as modular frames, reinforced are the space item that are only used to make the next space item

[small notch]

is there batteries?

[gusty bronze]

yes

[small notch]

ok ty

[sullen gull]

Versatile frames are only needed for two of the Space elevator phases. Once in the beginning as a standalone and then will be needed to make Magnetic Field Stabilizers.

[peak wasp]

Morning pioneers

[smoky forge]

goodnight!

[limpid cairn]

Yes

I recommend placing like 20 of them down so your factory can run for an hour when you fucked something up and don’t realise it

[small notch]

alr ty

[modest nest]

Theres also the item batteries for powering drones and such

[cinder jay]

i use batteries to help stable my power if my power goes over since i have terrible power

[hard ivy]

power storage technically aren't batteries

[modest nest]

^

[white dawn]

Yeah, keep in mind that the structures you build to help run triage on power trips are called "Power Storage." :D

It's usually easy enough to tell which one folks mean from context, but some like myself often end up pedantically nudging towards the proper terms. :)

[peak wasp]

Sweet dreams

[limpid cairn]

Well isn’t a battery basically a power storage ?

[white dawn]

(ADA herself uses the word "battery" when describing them, and they do look like a certain braind of Battery, so it's understandable)

[white dawn]

It's more just that sometimes in a game like this it helps to use the exact terms, is all. :D

[hard ivy]

you can use batteries for power storage irl. but the game doesn't use batteries for that

[white dawn]

It's a bit worse for "pump" versus "water extractor," since context is sometimes more difficult to glean with that one

(we see a lot of folks using "pump" to mean "water extractor")

[reef basin]

see also "bus" vs "stacked belts"; and "megabase" vs "big factory"

[hard ivy]

and balancer vs ratio splitter or rate limiter

[white dawn]

Also 🥔 versus 🥔

[modest nest]

The potato war

[sleek pine]

Any way to restore deleted sessions?

[hard ivy]

hope that it's still on steam cloud?

[sleek pine]

Touch

[white dawn]

Probably not without support from your OS / backup software. Though maybe Steam Cloud has some retention post-deletion?

[sleek pine]

Youch

[shy mulch]

and kMW instead of giggleywoogas

[hard ivy]

well, no, that's different because kMW doesn't exist

[feral geyser]

kMW, more like kMS

[fluid sapphire]

i prefer mega mega watts

[white dawn]

(And that's a good opportunity for your periodic reminder that you will never regret setting up a data backup solution for your data. Be sure to test restores periodically!)

[shy mulch]

I'm a big fan of the megamegawhaaat

[sleek pine]

The consequences of my own actions

Idk why I decided to delete my save

[mortal ginkgo]

oh no, "say GW instead of kMW" gang is here.

[shy mulch]

I use neither. I'm gonna start insisting on some far less standard measurements if people aren't careful

[true mulch]

I like to believe this could be in part due to different languages. E.g. the Czech word for extractor is really stupid (or doesn't fit the context) so I had to name them both "pump"

[sleek pine]

I got as far as to automate computers to a good amount per minute

[modest nest]

I think I still have every save I ever did

[true mulch]

There's no excuse for kMW though

[mortal ginkgo]

just say "I have 4000 power". nothing else. Pure number.

[white dawn]

Ah, yeah, could be. Or also just in real life even in English we wouldn't use the phrase "water extractor" to describe a pump that's taking water out of somewhere. :D

[shy mulch]

this works in context, absolutely a fan of that

[true mulch]

That feels less wrong than kMW

[shy mulch]

I have 1,090,000 power

[mortal ginkgo]

You got the power baby!

[feral geyser]

Uh oh, I really hope Kyo didn't get timed out for that.

[shy mulch]

or 1090k power

maybe 1.09M power

[reef basin]

which is fine as it's not in SI context 🙂

[white dawn]

4.0 * 10³ power

[mortal ginkgo]

or say 1090 GigaPower

1090 ManlyChadPower

[feral geyser]

Absolutely not

[mortal ginkgo]

God damnit brotherman.

Daily reminder: Cast Screws is not a bad recipe.

[feral geyser]

I need power ratings expressed in terms of how many standardized lightning strikes from Back To The Future it is.

[white dawn]

How about 5364 mechanical horsepower?

[mortal ginkgo]

Horsepower is needed for dynamic objects tho no?

[white dawn]

Something's gotta be moving those li'l machine arms around! (but yeah, point taken)

[unkempt blade]

I like horses, they're the factory carts of the animal world

[mortal ginkgo]

Mods. Ban him. Now. Before it is too late!

[feral geyser]

I would say an Explorer compares better to a horse

[unkempt blade]

no those would be mules, a true explorer's animal

[mortal ginkgo]

Speaking of Explorer, can we get it to up to 150km speed please? And can it stop going back and forth between 95 and 100 and make that annoying sound please? Also can it ACTUALLY be useful to use on train please? Also can the map update when we are riding in it please?

Can it please just not suck?

Thank you.

Rant over.

[feral geyser]

But mules are not fast

[mortal ginkgo]

So is not Explorer so it checks out kek

[hard ivy]

explorer burns 90 MW of fuel. that's 120 000 HP

[feral geyser]

Tractor = mule

[mortal ginkgo]

Tractor is a beast compared to Explorer and I hate it

[feral geyser]

12 myriad horses

[sullen gull]

I just use the Cyber truck for all my delivery needs! 😏

[unkempt blade]

now that's a sheep for sure

[sterile blade]

That's a lot of health!

[proud bough]

I use the factory cart

[robust thorn]

anyone else iritated by the fact that the elevator isnt like leveled with the floor?

[steep creek]

How close are you putting the floors?

[robust thorn]

against

[wary perch]

I need a vending machine to change the liquid in my coffee cup

[peak wasp]

I'm rushing coal on this new save. And foundations 😂

[sullen gull]

Screenshots or it didn't happen

[robust thorn]

also my power poles are saying that half my power grid dissapeared

[feral geyser]

I mean. It can be if you do it right

[robust thorn]

bet

[steep creek]

You might have accidentally deleted a cable

[sullen gull]

There is a coffee maker you can interact with in the Hub.

[steep creek]

Shame you can't put the cup into it

[sullen gull]

I know! lol. I could've sworn I saw a video where it was possible though.

[sterile blade]

I wonder if you can actually place (drop) it in there...

[robust thorn]

no cause everything in the powerplants is running

[steep creek]

Probably a mod lol

[proud bough]

Watch the devs are gonna sneak that in in a future update making the coffee machine be able to change what is in your cup

[robust thorn]

i cant send pictures here

[steep creek]

Are you talking about half of your consumption disappearing or the capacity?

[sullen gull]

#screenshots

[steep creek]

Send it in screenshots and send messages link to here

[sterile blade]

Paid DLC, 1€ per flavor

[proud bough]

Oh that's what it is

[robust thorn]

idk abt consumption exactly but production and capacity went frm 2400 to 1200 consumption did go down a lot too but yeah

[steep creek]

Check the lights ontop of your machines

[sterile blade]

Clearly a disconnection somewhere in the grid

[robust thorn]

#screenshots message

[robust thorn]

they all green

[steep creek]

If the machines are red trace the cables back towards the power plant and find the disconnected segment and reconnect it

[sterile blade]

Did you place any priority switches?

[sullen gull]

Just saw... Is this placing the elevator itself or is this an "extra floor"?

[steep creek]

That's just how the elevator is

[robust thorn]

dont have em yet

[robust thorn]

i know it just bothers me

[steep creek]

Fair ig

[sullen gull]

My guess it that you started the foundation for that floor from a frame floor or something. Putting it like .25m off.

Send me your save if you'd like and I can take a look.

[robust thorn]

the power or?

[sullen gull]

Referring to the elevator.

[robust thorn]

yeah one sec

[sullen gull]

Need some insights ... not sure if I like the round beam edging ..... any ideas? #screenshots message

[steep creek]

Honestly looks amazing

[proud bough]

Spiral staircase?

[steep creek]

Better than anything I could make

[proud bough]

Hmmmmm

Try making the edge pillars a little taller

[sullen gull]

The stairs themselves are easy. Just used this method here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNuZE6D-5qI

[proud bough]

As a bit of a railing

[sullen gull]

Yeah, the was the idea. Though thinking of doing it with cables ...

I'll show in a sec, taking a gander at @robust thorn 's save

[steep creek]

Ngl I wouldn't have the patience lol

[proud bough]

That could be cool

[steep creek]

Yeah could do that

You could extend the beams a little on the ends to act as the railing

Like up

[proud bough]

Have any of you gotten to late or endgame and just felt the desire to build a structure and paint the entire thing with the caterium finish

[burnt ferry]

why endgame?

did that on phase 3

[proud bough]

Just as a I have nothing better to do so build gold structure

[burnt ferry]

i did it to mark the facility as caterium facility

[proud bough]

True but I usually do like caterium accents rather than the whole thing

[burnt ferry]

i almost failed my high school exam because of arts

[sullen gull]

@robust thorn Ok, I guess I just never noticed it before, but it looks to be normal with the elevator.

[burnt ferry]

when we was required once to draw something rom outside, i decided for a close up of a fence that had rectangular shaped pattern... half way finished i noticed that i drew squares instead... i filled each square with a different color and scored the worst mark for it 😂

[wicked nacelle]

@sullen gull how did you make the video you uploaded? what tool?

[sullen gull]

Using Steam.

[bronze dagger]

if I need to get oil higher than 20m up vertically, is that possible?

[sullen gull]

Yep

[bronze dagger]

just a flat bit on the end after the first 20?

[sullen gull]

Mk2 pumps. And, with pumps, try to place them just before the end of it's headlift.

Somewhere, in #design-and-architecture or #screenshots, I have a few pics/video of bringing water up 485 meters.

[burnt ferry]

thats just repeating the same thing 9 times

[bronze dagger]

oh I was under the assumption two pumps dont stack on the same pipe

[burnt ferry]

how do you mean 'stack'? if the height is more than 50 m you do need two pumps

[heavy pine]

They do, but you have to put some space between them. Two pumps right next to each other doesn't give double the headlift.

[sullen gull]

They don't "stack"

[hollow halo]

Hhh

[sullen gull]

They 'reset' the headlift at each pump.

[bronze dagger]

right

brain makey sense now

[heavy pine]

You put down one pump, watch where the headlift from that gives out, and then put another pump a little bit below that point.

[sullen gull]

Yes. And try not to snap it to the bubble that shows. I hate that it's a snap point. As it has the potential to put the next pump just outside of the previous headlift

[burnt ferry]

you rethink your design if you permanently have to go higher than 50m

[true mulch]

You get an automatic indicator after the first pump

[hollow halo]

Yknow.. I think I gotta remake my iron factory

Cause I have a lot of iron and not enough of it is going into places

[heavy pine]

And yeah, I'm at the point where I prefer to have my liquid processing close to the ground so I don't have to worry about so many pumps.

[sullen gull]

Pumps aren't an issue.

[heavy pine]

I'm in the process of converting my coal power plant area into a spot to churn out the basic space elevator parts so I can shove them into the machines that'll make the more advanced ones.

[burnt ferry]

i dont want to waste power to generate power though, so they are an issue

[bronze dagger]

the oil node im using right now (a pure and a normal right beside each other) are surrounded by the tall mushroom thingies, and I am planning to create a mixed plastic/rubber and fuel residue factory plant

[sullen gull]

@bronze dagger Here ya go: #design-and-architecture message

[burnt ferry]

you can get rid of them shrooms

[bronze dagger]

fr?

[burnt ferry]

nob them

or chainsaw them if nobbing doesnt work

[bronze dagger]

theyre like parts of the environment I thought

[sullen gull]

Also, for the majority of my oil nodes, I am taking them WAY up in the air in my current save.

[burnt ferry]

if they have this head thats shaped like an arrow theyre indestructible

[sullen gull]

Most of them can be destroyed with Nobelisks

[bronze dagger]

well ill try it then'

[burnt ferry]

your confusing possibility with necessity.. unless you arent aware that we all understood you can pump really high

pump it up

[burnt ferry]

ou can even destroy them really large shrooms that have like 4 layers of shroom caps and aare larger than many rocks

[sullen gull]

It's very nessessary with the way I am building in this save :). Much easier to go up and over instead of trying to go across the ground through the terrain imo

[burnt ferry]

its very necessary with the way you are building in this save... you realize that you added an additional condition to the one i mentioned and you also confirmed?

making the thing you tlk about less likely to be relevant for any random person without even knowing what you actually talk about 😂

[sullen gull]

Is there a reason you always have to come off as a "know it all"? They asked if oil can be pumped up high. It was answered. Go pork a hog or something .

[hollow halo]

What is happening in here 😔

[sullen gull]

The same as usual... Someone always has some comment about how the game "should" be played, what's "right" or "wrong" based on their own opinions.

[waxen crystal]

only the main portal needs singularity cells? not the sattelite ones?

[sullen gull]

Correct. If I recall, the satellite doesn't have a conveyor port even.

[waxen crystal]

true

welp that simplifies portals a lot, just make a hub

[stark summit]

if you don't mind the startup time, you can run 1 main portal and as many satellites as you like, and just make one connection at a time, and turn it off when not in use

[hard ivy]

at that point just use hypertube launchers lol

what's the point of using a portal when it's slower than a launcher

[stark summit]

variety

[hard ivy]

if it's always open, it's at least a bit faster

[sullen gull]

"Immersion" 😏

[topaz shale]

I want to use a portal just because it looks cool

[stark summit]

and it's just 30 seconds right?

[sullen gull]

@proud bough and @steep creek , Actually came out better than I thought it would .... #screenshots message

[fluid sapphire]

my boxes could never

[feral geyser]

That's wild, how walkable is it?

[proud bough]

Looks amazing

Lotta clicking I imagine

[valid kestrel]

@frank nest quangus

[sullen gull]

I mean, I guess, but it's not "horrible" imo. The "longest" part of this was snapping and nudging the foundations.

[sullen gull]

#screenshots message There ya go.

[proud bough]

Still pls upload that blueprint

I have so many places where that would not only be useful but also look really nice (with a little modifying)

[sullen gull]

Sent

[steep creek]

🔥

[proud bough]

Ty

[sullen gull]

Made in a mk2 bpd btw

And they are 24m high

[sullen gull]

Also, as stated before, I got the knowledge from here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNuZE6D-5qI

Seeing how they are built can give you some ideas on how to tailor them for your specifics.

[proud bough]

Yeah I'll prob build a few of my own

But having the blueprint will be helpful

[cunning spade]

Is there any way to reset your map, aside from going area by area, once you research a few things? IE_ I'd like to rebuild with trains etc vs the pasta-nation I currently have.

[fluid sapphire]

"reset"?

[cunning spade]

like wipe all the buildings etc you have

[sullen gull]

Also sent you the "starter" frames for making them. RH and LH.

[fluid sapphire]

you can use SCIM to select everything and mass dismantle

if you really want that, i did that at one point

[cunning spade]

SCIM?

[fluid sapphire]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[heavy pine]

Nope, gotta go out and tear it down manually. Unless you want to use an external tool that futzes with your save.

[hard ivy]

we need a !SCIM command

and !SFT

[fluid sapphire]

dont be silly, SCIM doesnt do anything to your save

[heavy pine]

Um... you upload your save, delete the stuff from the map, then download a new save. Sure it's not anything you couldn't recover from by loading a previous save, but it does plenty to your save file.

[fluid sapphire]

it does exactly what you want in that scenario, nothing more

[cunning spade]

so no 'nuke' function then? Just too entrenched to go across the map and decon everything

[wise junco]

I think the implication here is "futz" implies a negative impact which is unintended

[wise junco]

no, unfortunately

[hard ivy]

not in-game

[cunning spade]

ohhh- it doesnt alter your tech level?

[fluid sapphire]

SCIM makes short work of everything you have built

thats your best nuke button

[wise junco]

^

[cunning spade]

k-- will attempt 🙂 tyvm

[heavy pine]

There's a very slim chance that you could end up with a corrupted save. Also you don't get back any of the materials that were used in the construction.

[hard ivy]

you can get the items back

[fluid sapphire]

thats flat out wrong, you get them back

i built a sorter before deleting all my stuff, i tossed everything in there to have materials to start out anew

[hard ivy]

also, it doesn't mess with your save, it creates a new one. the old unmodified one still exists

[wise junco]

to each their own - I find personal satisfaction in the disassembly and rebuild, but I'm also insane

[heavy pine]

Does it place storage containers with all of the materials from the stuff you delete?

[fluid sapphire]

map wide delete 50 items at a time is insanity if you have tens of thousands of items built

[hard ivy]

it asks if you want a crate, if you click yes, you get a normal dismantle crate iirc

[wise junco]

oh for sure if you're that far along. once I hit mk2 miners and such, I make those entrenchments more "permanent"

[sullen gull]

Unfortunately, in game, you are limited to dismantling 50 items at a time.

[lost wagon]

Satisfactory Modeler update looks pretty good

[sullen gull]

Ooooh, there's an update? Need to close mine so it can lol

[hard ivy]

yeah, very nice QOL

[cunning spade]

yeah-- thats the scary part- it'd take me a day at tier 8 research to dismantle everything

[fluid sapphire]

that seems optimistic

[sullen gull]

Again, this is where SCIM comes in handy. I have used it for that purpose, as well as copying and moving/rotating full factories after I've built them.

[robust thorn]

can you still talk to ada in 1.1?

[cunning spade]

Is there a guide or anything as to how to mod/create a new save on the site?

[shrewd pelican]

hello guys im new!

[sullen gull]

Not that I am aware. You could try searching Youtube, or ask in the Offical Discord for it

[hard ivy]

pretty sure you can't create a world in SCIM

it can just open and modify existing ones

[fluid sapphire]

just upload the save, do your thing, then download it

[robust thorn]

to the game or the discord

[shrewd pelican]

to the discord

[wise junco]

welcome aboard!!!

[shrewd pelican]

i play the game a couple of years now

[robust thorn]

welcome aboard pioneer

[shrewd pelican]

thx!

[sterile blade]

What's new? (If it's easy to describe, I'm just too lazy to check for myself right now)

[hard ivy]

I mean you can check the changelog, but the thing I'm most excited about is the clock speed control

it can automatically calculate clock speed for a set number of machines making that item

[robust thorn]

hw do i update it the mod loader wont let me

[lost wagon]

modeler is on steam

[hard ivy]

there are also "blueprints" but no clue what that feature is yet

[robust thorn]

nvm, i misread it as mod loader

[topaz shale]

I guess the update isn't out for me, yet. don't have an update for the modeler.

[hard ivy]

exit and reopen steam

[sullen gull]

Check your version. It may have already uupdated.

[hard ivy]

but actually exit, not just X it in the top right corner

[hard ivy]

it would be in the update history then

[topaz shale]

Mine hasn't updated since I got it on the 15th. Might just have to wait or something.

[shy mulch]

Quick sense check before I overthink this
Have factory producing 3240/min concrete, feeding it into a train station, equally spread over 4 freight stations
If I have two trains collecting from this station, one feeds a factory that requires 2169/min and one feeds another factory that requires 800/min, I'm not sinking any of it, it'll eventually just sort itself out like a giant manifold and I don't need to do any maths here, right?

[hard ivy]

if you balanced the belts on both ends, it'll work
if not, depends

[robust thorn]

sounds about right

as long as you arent doing anything fr a nuclear power plant. cause then you gotta have ficsit effiecient belts

[shy mulch]

my tactic is to very slightly overproduce every step, so everything ends up backing up, so if I see an empty belt I immediately know where the problem is

[unkempt blade]

yeah kind of like if my truck stops don't have stuff on the output conveyor it means I don't have enough factory carts

[robust thorn]

exactly the only thing you dont wanna overproduce is waste or is that wrong? idk cause im nt there

[shy mulch]

this isn't for my nuclear setup, that's separate and is perfectly balanced

[robust thorn]

it totally doesnt matter then

[proud bough]

i made so many rookie mistakes the first time i set up my powerplant

i ended up messing up so badly i had to load a save from a time before id even started building it

[topaz shale]

Ok yeah, the modeler ui is slightly different.

[proud bough]

which meant i also lost a bunch of progress that i done while doing my nuclear power

[hollow halo]

Managed to redo my iron all the way up to screws

Now for the funny parts of splitting to like.. reinforced stuff

[sullen gull]

OK, I am thinking I am starting to like this more and more. #screenshots message

[peak wasp]

Why are the trains so hard 🙁

[sullen gull]

Because they're made of metal? 😏

[peak wasp]

HA

[proud bough]

that looks clean

[peak wasp]

The signal stuff is just annoying and dumb. I want to do push pull for each line but gahh

[sullen gull]

I sent to this version as well btw.

[proud bough]

i saw ty

[proud bough]

yeah satisfactory train dont work like that

must be loop

not back and forth

[peak wasp]

So shit

[sullen gull]

You can totally do push/pull setups.

[peak wasp]

Lierally everything else about the game is awesome, but the trains are poop

[fluid sapphire]

factorio player?

[sullen gull]

It's all I ever do.

[peak wasp]

nah

[peak wasp]

What's the trick?

[proud bough]

is it complicated as heck

[sullen gull]

Not at all..

[peak wasp]

I tried doing a passing siding but it never worked. Tried like 4 times and it doesnt work

[sullen gull]

Stations : (][][][]-------[][][][) and the train setup the same, with a car on each end pointing in opposite directions.

[cunning cloud]

hi everyone

[peak wasp]

It's more about stopping the collisons or the stops when the trains meet

[fluid sapphire]

divide rail into blocks with block signals, collision solved

[sullen gull]

I can't speak for doing it with multiple rail lines connected. I have not messed with it that much.

[peak wasp]

I did this but I still get hold ups

[proud bough]

not as easy with push pulls

[cunning cloud]

will Satisfactory on ps5 will be on unreal 5 engaine

[peak wasp]

I honestly tried it so many different ways

[turbid gazelle]

sorry to interrupt. i have 8 nuclear powerplants however they are split in half of two power stations on these huge foundations. i made the second foundation bigger to accommodate all 8 reactors however I'm worried about the looks and if i should simply connect them with hypertubes. Any recommendations?

[proud bough]

prob not

[fluid sapphire]

why wouldnt it be

[hard ivy]

it'll be on the same engine the PC version is lol

[turbid gazelle]

i mean connect both nuclear power stations with hypertubes. once again sorry to interrupt but seriously, any tips?

[leaden turret]

Given they were compelled to upgrade from ue4 to ue5 to get 1.0 done, it is improbable that fishlabs would downgrade the engine back to ue4

[leaden turret]

Don't bother with accelerators, use long tube journeys as an opportunity to go pee/poop

[turbid gazelle]

sorry but this is what it looks like. ignore the mess#screenshots message

[peak wasp]

Can anyone explain the actual correct way to making a passing siding with the trains? I need to try one more time

[hard ivy]

my advice would be "don't". using multiple trains on bi-di rails is generally a terrible idea

[peak wasp]

OK

[fluid sapphire]

why not just use a 2 way rail system

[thick vine]

goooood morning friends

[hollow halo]

I made the auto iron farm so much worse…

[true mulch]

You essentially build a short double track

But yeah at that point just make the whole thing double track

[sullen gull]

Thoughts and opinions? : #screenshots message

[peak wasp]

Ugh

[sullen gull]

Not sure if this will help or not: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWSB5jXeqQY

[peak wasp]

morning!

[peak wasp]

XCX though, pog.. bumpin that

[true mulch]

(sorry - if you want more help, best to create a #1038092680493801533 thread with screenshots)

[peak wasp]

I'm just gonna do double track. I spent about 8 hours trying to figure out the bi-di signaling with 2 trains on a line and just gave up

It's also a bit shit managing the output from the freight platforms as well

[true mulch]

The time it takes to build double track is essentially the same as single track but you get practically unlimited capacity compared to bidi where anything over 1 train is pain

[peak wasp]

I see that

[sullen gull]

When doing it with BP's

[true mulch]

Even without. I've been building double track even before trains collided with each other 😛

[unkempt blade]

You can bypass signal annoyances by just using factory carts. Then when you need a busy intersection you just have them bunny hop over each other with a jump pad instead. Way simpler that way

[proud bough]

idk that it was already ue5

[true mulch]

Update 8 was UE5

(or, well, the late Update 7 experimental patch)

[true mulch]

What do you mean?

[peak wasp]

More than 2 item types is also chaos

My whole factory is chaos but it's my first play so

[true mulch]

I strongly recommend avoiding mixing items in freight cars before you have a solid understanding of trains

[clever parrot]

would anyone know how to fix the problem where researching / unlocking new inventory slots does not actually expand the inventory?

[true mulch]

Assign 1 item type to freight cars and platforms and stick to that

[proud bough]

did you make powershards with an unslooped machine

[peak wasp]

I haven't unlocked synthetic powershards yet

[proud bough]

you misunderstand

[true mulch]

You can sloop slugs

[peak wasp]

Wuuuuut

[proud bough]

exactly

[true mulch]

It's a constructor recipe

[proud bough]

yep and if you sloop the constructor it produces double

so uh your not gonna have as many shards early-mid game as you should but its a common first timer mistake

[true mulch]

Space elevator parts and fuel rods also hugely benefit

[peak wasp]

Yeh I don't have enough sloops to go crazy with that

[proud bough]

nods vigorously

[true mulch]

I mean... this wasn't a thing before 1.0 and we did fine

[peak wasp]

I'm just learning as I go along. First play and all

[proud bough]

once you unlock production output amplifier you just need one sloop and one constructor

[shy mulch]

You only need 1 for a constructor

[peak wasp]

Production Output Amplifier ok. I should unlock that

[proud bough]

cause you dont need to do multiple constructors to convert slugs, remains, and protein

[peak wasp]

I don't do that anyway

[proud bough]

btw you can use it on remains and protein to get 4x as many dna caps

the upgrade lets you place a sloop in any production machine to double the output while drawing extra power

[sleek pine]

I can’t see a session in my game when I see it in my folder, anyone know a possibility why this might be happening?

[peak wasp]

I know how the sloops work but I just trace back wherever isn't producing enough and sort whatever that issue is cause I've not been all over the map looking for sloops

[proud bough]

slooping and overclocking can be so important when making balanced production

[peak wasp]

Yeah I've seen that but also my factory is utter chaos cause it's my first play. I would definitely build it differently second play

[proud bough]

but if you havent gotten far into it the alien tech tree has so many good upgrades

[peak wasp]

I look forward to creating a super clean and beautiful factory next play

[proud bough]

oh you sweet summer child

what phase are you on

[peak wasp]

It tickles my autism, what can I say

[peak wasp]

Phase 4

[proud bough]

just wait

logistic will become an absolute nightmare

[lime ermine]

Phase 4 was easily the worst for me

[proud bough]

no matter how many times you play it always becomes a nightmare

[loud jewel]

and then theres me spending 4 hours on a phase 2 iron factory

[stray herald]

So real

[proud bough]

for me 3 hours of that is trying to figure out somewhere that won't be in the way later

[stray herald]

I am duct-tape fixing Phase 3 right now. I am manually feeding manufacturers before I build a train network for phase 4

😭

[proud bough]

yay now i have to type with one hand

cause my cat has decided its snuggle time

[loud jewel]

for like future parts?

[peak wasp]

nooooooo

[proud bough]

yep

[peak wasp]

I will be like this on my next playthrough. My factory is gonna be so sexy

[stray herald]

Hopefully in an hour once I finish Phase 3 I'll put something together that looks human-made 😭

[loud jewel]

copium, embrace the spaghetti

[crude canyon]

huh, steam is down

I was doing some really good progress on my motor factory

[sullen gull]

Mine doesn't like to snuggle at all. True testament to the the infamous "Toritude"

[proud bough]

only on the surface

[sullen gull]

?

[proud bough]

theyre never pretty all the way through