satisfactory

[modest solstice]

wdym? that's just coal, but i want to be prepared for aluminum and oil later

[trim vine]

so you do only need 270 for 6 coal genny's

[modest solstice]

that's correct, mk.3 belts at the moment

wait no

[trim vine]

but I dont like the split and the central pipe is useles

Have water either enter from 2 ends, and have as "straight" a manifold as possible

[modest solstice]

270 water for 6 generators, it should run 18 generators on 270 coal

the center pipe is loopback to prevent sloshing, no? when do i need that?

[trim vine]

which means 810 water

[modest solstice]

no, it's 270 water

[trim vine]

@dense violet
go post that screenshot of your pipe loop thing

[modest solstice]

the generators are not overclocked

[trim vine]

for 18 coal gennies

[modest solstice]

correct

was going to build in 9 groups of 6 bc it looks cool and it's one overclocked water per so it can be modular

[trim vine]

either way

When making a liquid manifold, try and keep the manifold in a straight line, when possible

[modest solstice]

wait, they actually do physics simulations on curves?

or is that just to reduce actual segments

[trim vine]

once pipes are primed, it doesnt matter as much, just a preference and allows flooding logically from multiple points easier

for example, you can get 1200 fluid in a manifold by injecting liquids from opposing ends, but pushing anything to max is tenuous

[modest solstice]

that seems odd and overcomplicated

[frail sleet]

Diluted fuel is regular fuel to be clear, just an alt recipe. It gets 300 gens out of one cluster of oil nodes, like 15% of the oil on the map.

[modest solstice]

what's the benefit of doing that as opposed to just having multiple manifolds using the contents of one pipe?

[frail sleet]

and it's the most powerful option other than rocket fuel / nuclear

[trim vine]

not really. You can fit 600 water in a pipe

a manifold requiring 1200 water can be achieved by simply having 2 600 pipes flowing in from opposite ends

[frail sleet]

All pipes in the sim are straight. There are bugs which sometimes lock up flow out of junctions though, best to keep the required flow rate significantly below the peak flow rate so that you can recover from those. I haven't seen stuff failing below ~2/3'rds of the pipe flow rate capacity.

[frail sleet]

Doesn't work reliably at those flow rates due to bugs, only on certain recipies/clocks.

[modest solstice]

yeah thats what i thought

[trim vine]

no, of course, thats pure theory, but it doesnt work well in practice

[modest solstice]

so - sorry, how would you set up the simple 6 gens on one pipe?

[trim vine]

how you have it is fine, but you dont need that central pipe

[modest solstice]

how do loopback pipes work when i start on more complicated things? my aluminum setup last run always locked

[limpid cairn]

guys how do you fix signal loops into itself?

with train signs

[trim vine]

sacrifice a lizzard doggo and pray

make a post in #1038092680493801533 and provide screenshots, please

[frail sleet]

For perfect flow to 6 gens, split 1 pipe to 3 and then each of those again to 2.

For compactness, feed from the middle. If that still doesn't work (it probably will, it basically creates two 300/600 manifolds), split the input pipe with a junction so that it's fed at middle plus both ends.

if your aluminum is deadlocking then there is another design issue

[dense violet]

mixing fresh and waste often does that. Need to manage it in specific ways

[limpid cairn]

i believe the train line is too horrible for questions and help

[modest solstice]

So there's no point in using loopbacks?

[trim vine]

then you have answered at least 50% of your question.

Build better train lines, and we canthelp without pictures

[modest solstice]

three to two? how would that look? why not just do one manifold? the pipe has the throughput

[frail sleet]

Loop is just splitting a pipe in half and feeding from both ends. Which is fine, but feeding from the middle is much more optimal than the end.

[frail sleet]

Pipe A1 splits to B1, B2, B3

B1 splits to C1, C2

B2 splits to C3, C4

B3 splits to C5, C6.

why not just do one manifold? the pipe has the throughput

There's a bug with junctions which prevents flow from working properly at the full rate, so it chokes everything downstream and upstream whenever that happens in a tick. Any lost flow lowers the average flow, and can't be compensated for later because flow can't go above the maximum to cancel it out.

If your 400 drops to 360 for example, it can spike back up to 440 afterwards and average out to 400. But a 600/600 can't do that.

[modest solstice]

Why not:

 r-+
g+ +g
g+ +g
g+ +g```

[dense violet]

there's no bug with junctions, that's just where back flow happens

[modest solstice]

Ah. So just classic Coffee Stain Ficsit jank

[dense violet]

what's r here?

[modest solstice]

curved pipe

[dense violet]

no you're just talking to someoen there who has bad info on pipes they won't let go of

[modest solstice]

im too lazy to break out the box drawing characters

[dense violet]

they also think manifolds, belt or pipes, aren't 100% efficient

[umbral fog]

There is definitely bugs with pipe junctions. There's a good redit post showing the bug. The orientation of the junction changes its behaviour

[frail sleet]

Through decompilation of the game the community has confirmed a bug with junctions having incorrect pipe attachment heights which causes them to prevent all flow out of certain exits at some inappropriate times. That then causes stalling upstream and downstream with average flow rate reduction. It can also be exploited to do stuff like raising water to arbitrary heights without using pumps, but the main time that we see it is breaking manifolds and breaking flow priority.

[dense violet]

Which impact vip junctions. Not an intended feature

[frail sleet]

Because junctions can't handle uneven splits like that without balancing via backflow, which reduces flow rate capacity.

[dense violet]

And is not at all what Arryn was referring to

[frail sleet]

It is the same bug that i'm referring to. The same error which creates incorrect low or high priorities for VIP junctions causes manifolds to throttle, and in fact that's 99% of the time that we experience negative or unexpected flow due to that bug.

[modest solstice]

Holy shit I didn't mean to cause a 4 way argument

[trim vine]

no, this is a tame discussion

[modest solstice]

you know what i mean

[peak wasp]

Hello! Looking for some help regarding ratio's as I haven't played since before 1.0 dropped, I intend to make a factory that processes all of my required ingots however Idk how much of what I should realistically produce

[trim vine]

boutta be a 5 way then

😛

[frail sleet]

Plan out what you want to build and with what recipies, then go backwards and count the inputs

[trim vine]

make what you need

[dense violet]

Just build what seems a reasonable about and keep moving forward, you can’t realistically future proof

[peak wasp]

Hmmm

I'll be honest I wasn't expecting any of those answers

[trim vine]

Why?

[peak wasp]

I suppose I could go backwards through items then only make what I need but I can also just sink stuff if I have excess!

[umbral fog]

FICSIT does not waste 😛

[trim vine]

I produce 150 Radio Control Units a minute, some people only want to make 50, we then have drastically different needs in terms of what ores to make/lines to build

[peak wasp]

Alright!

[sterile blade]

Eg: I usually stay below 20/min

[trim vine]

The only thing you can kind of future proof in this game is train rails, the rest is "as needed"

[dense violet]

There’s no right way to progress , and the game is a sandbox after you unlock everything so can’t really give you a real answer 🙂 just build factories as needed 🙂

[umbral fog]

Is there a non mod way to get an elevator taller than 196m?

[leaden turret]

petition the international bureau of weights and measures to redefine how many centimeters are in a meter

[umbral fog]

That seems like it might take a while

[leaden turret]

css might change the limit while you wait.

[umbral fog]

ah, so you can do it, it's just slow...
https://www.reddit.com/r/SatisfactoryGame/comments/1mieq4e/infinite_personnel_elevator_437m_and_counting/

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @dense violet

[warped peak]

Is there a way to make one pipe take priority over another? I have two pipes that merge into one, but I want the one on the right to take priority over the one on the left. Is that clear?

[dense violet]

there is but it's not super reliable

is this waste water from aluminium?

[warped peak]

It's for dark matter and cristals

[dense violet]

ah VIPs don't work on gas

do what you do with aluminium waste water, keep the fresh and waste gas split to their own machines

[warped peak]

How? I didn't understand

[dense violet]

hop into #math-and-meta

[reef basin]

verticality

oh, you mean for input? imo just have it separate

[shy mulch]

I use VIP pipe setups for sulfuric acid in my nuclear plant and for water in my aluminium plant. Both been running perfectly for hundreds of hours with zero intervention. I'd say that's reliable enough

[hybrid nymph]

Ficsit does not waste

Also according to The wiki, the character you play as is apparently named Becky

But apparently Ficsit strips you of your individuality. And legally requires all employees to change their name to "Pioneer"

[dense violet]

VIPs often fail when built. With no real reason. Hence 'not reliable'
can they work? sure

but I'm not going to build a system I have to roll the die on to see if it works

[shy mulch]

I've never experienced that with VIP junctions, but if I did, just delete and build it again? I do that all the time with rail signals when they bug out at me

[hybrid nymph]

Awesome, I'm on my third save, I think I've put in about 120 hours into it

[dense violet]

that's nice? just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean I haven't had to deal with many many people on this server alone with issues with them

even the creator of VIPs has washed his hands of them because they work off black magic

[shy mulch]

It seems to make sense to me and I can make them reliable, maybe that's just me. Doesn't seem any different to the rail signal bugs that everyone seems to just accept the solution of 'break them down and rebuild until it works'

[dense violet]

and I'm not going to tell people to build a system where if it's broken there's no way to trouble shoot it other than 'rebuild' the thing.
That's stupid. Make something you know how it works and know how to fix

besides, and this is unlikely, as VIPs are unintended functions, any future changes to pipes, even minor ones, could inadvertantly kill all vips

but I'm not riskign that

and I'm never going to advise people to use them for those reasons

[warm phoenix]

#screenshots message
i think im too far gone to deconstruct and build new one

[shy mulch]

OK, I respect your position, I just take a different position.
Regarding the same bug that rail signals have, should we stop advising people to use signals at junctions because they sometimes don't work until you rebuild them and nobody knows why

[warm phoenix]

can someone give me tips on how to rebuild base

[dense violet]

you probably want to ask in #design-and-architecture with pictures and any plans you've made

[umbral fog]

why is it that when trying to add vertical splitters to lifts the direction of the lift changes the height of the splitter/merger snap points

[clever merlin]

oh trains can the train station be one way and it reverse out of the station or does it have to be a stright though track

[umbral fog]

if you want to reverse out you need an engine at both ends I believe

[clever merlin]

ok that not a problem i just curious becuase i hve it kind of at the end of a cliff lol

i wasnt sure if i had to put a stright though making that location really bad lol

ty for the help 😄

[green fiber]

Building method matters

The manual VIP is, funny enough, the ideal case

Junctions snapped onto pipes are built in their "bugged" orientation that allows VIPs to work in the first case

If you build it a different way, the junction might be in a different position and not work

[reef dock]

if I have two conveyors on top of each other, both with a different item, should I put the item I will produce more of than the other on the top or the bottom?

[fluid sapphire]

not sure it matters at all

[shy mulch]

What do you mean 'on top of each other' if they aren't connected via splitters or mergers then they aren't connected in any way, why would it matter how much is on them

[fluid sapphire]

how long does it take for a machine to calculate its efficiency?

is there a time period or number of cycles? and what is it

[half ingot]

did slide jumping get buffed in 1.1?

[green fiber]

Yes and no clue , maybe 20 cycles?

Its definitely per cycle though

[half ingot]

i dont recall it snowballing like this

(logged back on for the first time since before 1.1)

[green fiber]

successfull cycles build it up, stalling ticks it down by the second

[fluid sapphire]

hmm i have a refinery making sloppy alumina, i have been staring at it for solid 10 minutes now, it started at 96%, its now at 98%, with no stalls in that time

ok maybe not 10 minutes, but 5 for sure

[green fiber]

The meter can sometimes just stay at 99 or 98 in big factories

[fluid sapphire]

i just got the notification that one of my power storages is draining, and the sound that usually indicates a machine is shutting down. i am running this factory on its internal battery, there is still over 90 minutes of life left, idk there is some super weird stuff going on here

like i look at this machine, its very clear that there are zero issues with inputs and outputs, i have not changed anything about the system in well over half an hour, yet when i come here, efficiency is at like 96%, and when i keep looking, it keeps going up

but when i go away and come back and look at a different machine, similar things happen

outputs have room to go out, the inputs are always full, yet the machines have schrodinger's efficiency

[green fiber]

The efficiency just doesnt go up to 100% in large factories

I told you

The meter struggles to calculate it as you build more machines

[fluid sapphire]

how am i supposed to troubleshoot power fluctuations if i cant trust the meter 😲

[reef basin]

by looking at machine lights

[fluid sapphire]

i cant look at 190 lights simultaneously

[reef basin]

no but you can check sections at a time

[fluid sapphire]

thats just the machines, i also have loads up pumps everywhere

[reef basin]

and just one light will tell you the probable cause

[silk rose]

bug with machine input shadows overlay on top of windows reported? cuz its since like update 8

no matter gpu or driver

[silk rose]

we need mod for that

production stale notification

like switch inside building when you finish building and filling manifolds

[fluid sapphire]

this doesnt really have anything to do with manifolds, this system has been running for a few dozen hours now

[silk rose]

pipes?

are there pipes

[fluid sapphire]

yeah

[silk rose]

they may act buggy

are they full

[fluid sapphire]

for the most part, i tried to make them extra full with somersloops

right now doing the same with a couple of problem pipes

[small notch]

any tips js starting know a little about the game

[silk rose]

only advice i can give is not to make full mk2 pipes

[silk rose]

1. foundations
2. read milestone stuff

[fluid sapphire]

yeah i avoid that like the plague, generally speaking

[small notch]

ok ty

[silk rose]

3. production per min numbers

[silk rose]

also mk1 and mk2 may have priority problems when split or merge

[small notch]

should i start in the grass fields

[silk rose]

doesnt really matter

[small notch]

ok

[fluid sapphire]

the only place where i merge my pipes is an overflow system on the first floor thats collected from above floors

[silk rose]

i may help you tho if you want vc or something

[small notch]

yh sure

[silk rose]

dm me

[fluid sapphire]

this should, on paper solve my priority issue

[silk rose]

pipes often dont work as on paper

[proven grove]

How many coal generators would 4 water extractors and 2 coal nodes normal would get me? Using mk1 miners 🤔

[silk rose]

pure nodes?

[proven grove]

Normal

[fluid sapphire]

this doesnt say much, i have pipes elsewhere with no issues

i have a pretty decent idea how to design pipe systems, i think, at least for the most part

i dont often do this kind of loop though, its behaving very strangely with pumps it looks like, i really dont know whats going on with that

[dense violet]

Do the math

How much water per min does each gen use

[proven grove]

Idk, this is my first time playing with coal power >.>

[dense violet]

You can check it’s control panel

It the wiki
Then look at how much each extractor outputs

[proven grove]

So, 480/m total

[dense violet]

Water is basically unlimited though so id plan based on how much coal per min you want to mine

[proven grove]

My poor little brain

[fluid sapphire]

make blocks of 3 extractors per 8 generators

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Coal-Powered_Generator#/media/File:Coal_Generator_Schematic.png

[proven grove]

Ooo, fancy

Thanks

[clever merlin]

oh the frieght is both items and fluids i guess ?

[fluid sapphire]

huh

[clever merlin]

i dont see a train pice that does fluids themself

like a tank train attachment

[fluid sapphire]

aah, yeah, right, thats true

[clever merlin]

sorry i so use to something like factorio where they had both

lol and you had to add it maybe in the future they do something like that

tbh i kind of like to see it 🙂

[fluid sapphire]

highly doubt it at this point

[clever merlin]

true

[fluid sapphire]

the game is feature complete

[clever merlin]

true

hmm i not sure tbh they they cant add more features later or will i mean i don't see satisfactory being dead yet

[fluid sapphire]

thats not really a missing feature, changing something like that would literally break so many saves

[clever merlin]

that true

but i mean i guess that something they could look at say well as much as it breaks in saves it really a feature we might want to add i don't know i can always hope lol

[fluid sapphire]

im sure they considered it already while developing trains

[clever merlin]

do i have to do huge ramps to get a train rail to go up a mountain

[fluid sapphire]

that or spirals

[clever merlin]

that not a bad idea

[shy mulch]

I don't understand the question, why can't you use fluid freight?

[fluid sapphire]

they mean a separate type of car for fluids specifically

[clever merlin]

excatly

[boreal musk]

more design variety for freight cars would be cool to see

time to write this in my 1.2 wishlist

[clever merlin]

lol

i trying to do a spiral for my train and i just cant vusaliz wat i wantting to go for lol

[boreal musk]

its hard to design a good train spiral

so i just go for a really long ramp

[clever merlin]

i tink i gonan end up just doing that tbh

[boreal musk]

or find a much flatter area

[clever merlin]

i thought having it higher up would been cooler but now i regret that design

[boreal musk]

its tricky to make them looks good when its very high up

so i prefer them to be close to the terrain as much as possible

[clever merlin]

yea so true

[vapid whale]

thinking of doing a run with a all impure nodes, extraction rate is at 0.5 (meaning my miners will mine at 50% efficency), milestones cost 3x and crafting recipes cost 2x. any thoughts?

[dense violet]

the lack of them would be the biggest issue

[vapid whale]

the lack of what

[dense violet]

of impure nodes on the map

easily complete phase 5 with very little resources as long as you accept a long build up time

[vapid whale]

it does not delete nodes, it just makes ALL nodes on the map become impure

[dense violet]

oh you get a mod that does it

[vapid whale]

ye

[dense violet]

eh it just makes the progression very slow

you could just udner clock nodes

[vapid whale]

usually in these types of marathon run, the recipe cost increase is the biggest issue, bc it doubles every material recipes

[dense violet]

yeah just really slows things down

[vapid whale]

yeah but the game on vanilla is too easy ngl

stockpile materials like crazy

needs a bit of marathon-like challenge

[dense violet]

the tiers are a tutorial to teh sandbox mode?

making it last 10x as long is also not a challenge

[vapid whale]

ye im thinking of maybe leavinf extraction rate to 1

maybe 0.5 is overkill

[dense violet]

get teh SF+ mod if yo uwant weird long things

[vapid whale]

im trying to finish the vanilla game first, sf+ is basically a whole new game

[dense violet]

oh you haven't even finished the tutorial then

just make your own challenges after with your own goals

[vapid whale]

i did, im just returning to the game bc of 1.0 release

i was at tier 6 or 7 back then

[dense violet]

well that's almost having unlocked everything. 🙂 just get to the end and decide what's fun

[shy mulch]

Why make things harder for yourself with mods when you've not even finished the regular version?

[heavy pine]

Been thinking about getting a mod to reduce the visual effects of building blueprints. I don't need to see all the concrete explode out of me and shower into each section of road I put down.

[reef onyx]

We still are made of greed
This is my kingdom come
When you feel my heat
Look into my eyes
It's where my demons hide

[upbeat jacinth]

sf+ is a good way to keep you busy if you are already familiar with the base game and want some challenge
the incomplete audiovisuals of the machines it adds blends in with the state of vanilla ones quite nicely

[boreal musk]

sf+ is a whole new experience

[reef onyx]

hello guys

are you okay ?

[boreal musk]

it took me 10hrs+ just to properly automate phase 1 stuffs

in new save, took me 20hrs bcs i try to make things tidy 🙃

[finite grove]

What is the advantage of a train over a long ass conveyor?

[upbeat jacinth]

not much
but once it becomes 20 long ass conveyors itll show itself

[dense violet]

you can reuse train tracks

[boreal musk]

train network is easily expandable if you already have the infrastructure

and theyre cool af

[dense violet]

the super power of trains is once you have the tracks done you can move almost infinite resources on the same infrastructure

[heavy pine]

How does this game perform on the Steam Deck?

[boreal musk]

i wonder how the console will handle endgame factories

[vital burrow]

What's a good amount of computers and circuit boards to make for myself and to have on deck to make other components?

[topaz shale]

Yeah factorio on switch can get you to finish the game but not much further than that.

[heavy pine]

Super Factorio Brothers

[shy mulch]

I'm just preparing myself for the influx of console players who come here to rant about how complicated coal power is

[heavy pine]

"Satisfactory for PS5 is so realistic! I can actually melt soda cans into aluminum ingots with the heat coming from the console."

[hybrid harbor]

hmm with SF+ , i need to setup something ? i can walk through stones

[boreal musk]

reminds me someone who cooked a steak in ps4

[upbeat jacinth]

Lots more dishes to automate
New buildings like smokers and deep fryers

[fluid sapphire]

i tried cooking an egg on my old laptop that went up to 105 celsius

[proud bough]

Ik one thing for fact XBone wont

Tis why it won't be one it

[upbeat jacinth]

replace them with ai
1 lobster tail and 1 supercomputer for a robodoggo

guess how to get lobster tails

[heavy pine]

My newest console is a Switch. Haven't seen anything on the newer units that makes me want to buy them. Most of the good games will make it to PC anyway.

[fluid sapphire]

PlateUp!

[upbeat jacinth]

i do i need to unlock rebar gun in sf+

i cant find stingers to research

[proud bough]

Yk as a joke they need to add some completely pointless or purely decorational tech tree that makes ADA berate you everytime you advance it

[proud bough]

Just for lols

[upbeat jacinth]

a few more months to go

youll know when it pops up

[proud bough]

Oh yeah they did

Ficsmus

[odd remnant]

Is there a limit on how many you can have in terms of dimensional deposit uploader? I don't know I have two deposits set for iron bars I'm assuming I'm supposed to upgrade the amount the deposit it can hold to show more??? Is that how it works

[proud bough]

How many mercer spheres you got

[quasi frigate]

hey all!
Quick question,
On the map, after I scan nodes with the V key
the mining nodes appear, and then after a few seconds disappear
Is that normal? and is there a way to make them more permanent on the map?

[proud bough]

Yes

Keep pinging

[odd remnant]

What do you mean ? I already created two of them of the deposits

[dense violet]

radar towers iirc

[quasi frigate]

oh ok radar towers you can get in a future tier perhaps? (i'm very early on)

thanks

[heavy pine]

The alien tech tree has upgrades to store more in the depot (up to five stacks) and upload items faster (up to 240/min). You can add more depots to upload things faster, but there are a limited number of Mercer spheres on the map so you can't just do that for everything.

[upbeat jacinth]

if you dont even have the map theres no way to make node pings stick

[proud bough]

The limit on how many uploaders you can have is how many mercer spheres your willing to sink into it

[odd remnant]

From what I can tell even though I have two iron bars deposits it seems like 100 can be stored and shown

[proud bough]

Yes there's storage limits

I thought you were talking about a limit to how many uploaders you can have

[odd remnant]

That's what I figured. No matter how many I create unless I update the storage limit I won't be able to hold more

[proud bough]

Yep

[odd remnant]

Thank you I just wanted to make sure.

[proud bough]

Even then I think the largest things can stack to with max capacity is 500 items

[fluid sapphire]

more uploaders just means you upload faster

[odd remnant]

I only have 100 so far even though I have maybe more than two deposits for some materials

[proud bough]

Oh wait but it is more with common building mats

Like concrete

[odd remnant]

That explains a lot

Thank you, seems like I need to focus on that more

[heavy pine]

It's five stacks, so things that stack to 50 will be capped at 250. Stacks of 100 cap at 500. And so on.

[proud bough]

But it's still not even close to enough storage for the amount of mats you'll need for later game builds

Building my nuclear power plant chewed through my resources sooooo fast

[gritty zealot]

I'm asking anyone who reads this, does anyone else refer to the act of building factories as 'factorising'?

I always tell people I'm factorising and I wonder if I'm the only one

[feral geyser]

No, that means something else

[gritty zealot]

I am aware of the actual meaning yet I still find it appropriate

[feral geyser]

Industrializing?

[proud bough]

I call it paving

[gritty zealot]

Why paving?

[proud bough]

All I'll say is I use a lot of concrete

[gritty zealot]

Naruhodo

[vale grotto]

Honestly, 4 maxed out uploaders for each basic material should probably be enough to replace storage needs
960 concrete/min is a LOT

[fluid sapphire]

not enough concrete

[vale grotto]

And from there you can have them fed from a set of industrial storage at your base for buffer

[spiral summit]

jesus christ i hate the beans

[spiral field]

how do I change the hotbar hotbar

[proud bough]

But it's nothing when I'm paving over the entire swamp

[spiral summit]

i was recording a path the second time, and the bean spawns in from thin air and yeets my truck

[proud bough]

Noob

[proud bough]

Context

[spiral summit]

its on a road, where he already walked away from

[proud bough]

Nvrmnd not a noob just a victim of bad timing

[spiral summit]

i come back and he STILL spawns in the same location

[proud bough]

I think they usually do

[vale grotto]

I'd just double it again ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[proud bough]

Like they have set spawn points

[gritty zealot]

I also hate the beans, they always stand in the most inconvenient spot and then the game makes you look like a psychopath

[proud bough]

-# no more spiders

[spiral field]

how do I change the build hotbar

[spiral summit]

its like im driving in gta 5 for gods sake

[vale grotto]

Open the build menu, hover over an item, press a number

[vale grotto]

Spiders?

[spiral field]

no I mean, like theres diffrent hortbar

hotbars*

[vale grotto]

Alt + scroll

[proud bough]

-_-

Yk the things that are all over the swamp

[boreal musk]

alt + scroll allows you to swap between 10 layers

theres basically 100 hotbars in the game

[proud bough]

That jump at you and have long legs

[vale grotto]

Yes I do
I'm sorry I didn't see how that was related to the conversation about dimensional depot upload speed

[proud bough]

It was my reason for paving the swamp

[lost wagon]

that it doesn't upload concrete fast enough

[spiral summit]

my truck just drove perpendicular to its recorded path

[proud bough]

Hence why Id need that much concrete

[spiral summit]

very smart machine

[vale grotto]

For 8 mercer spheres you can upload 4 stacks of concrete a minute

[proud bough]

The call of the void is strong today

[vale grotto]

I don't think I could use that much if I tried lol

[lost wagon]

you could do that yea, but since I use mods, I just make them faster

[boreal musk]

i have 1200/min upload speed of concrete

[vale grotto]

Makes sense yeah. I've just never quite understood why people complain about upload speed so much, when there's 200 spheres left after fully upgrading, and each sphere is 240/min upload

[vale grotto]

Like okay, concrete is too slow? Be like the person above me and build more uploaders!!!

[lost wagon]

a lot of people also doesn't know you can make more uploaders for the same thing to upload them faster

[boreal musk]

paving with 6x6 bp foundation is hella expensive mate, gotta have those depots ready

what are you doing with those scraps

[topaz shale]

Time for the most important piece of rail infrastructure that I will place. The first piece.

[shy fog]

I thought it was the foundation?

are you building on dirt?

[gilded goblet]

Hey, I just have a simple question

Does programmable splitter let you set output numbers? like send 2.5 items/min here, and 7.5/min somewhere else?

[lost wagon]

no

[gilded goblet]

sad

[lost wagon]

programmable splitter is just a waste of time, you can do what it does with smart splitter

[gilded goblet]

i see

[dense violet]

you use clocking on the machines to do that

[gilded goblet]

how can i do something like that? just set it up to produce more then have a smart splitter with overflow to send the 7.5 into where ever else?

[heavy pine]

When over/underclocking a machine you can specify the target production.

[gilded goblet]

Cuz I want to do 2 supercomp/min make 12 computer's a minute then send off 4 to a depo for storage

[zenith pecan]

The programmables have a place, but in my entire game I have two where they made sense, as said above, the smarts do the same thing on the whole.

[gilded goblet]

i see

[unkempt blade]

programmable mergers are where it's at though

[zenith pecan]

Where the programmable splitters can shine is when you have truly mixed belts, because each output can be given multiple filters vs the smart splitters single rule per output.

[gilded goblet]

ahh

[dense violet]

you merge the machines that make exactly what you need to put on it

[gilded goblet]

yea true

lemme go plan a sc factory

[dense violet]

also manifolds will overflow items to where they need even if you don't do that

[heavy pine]

Over/underclock the machines to make 2/min, then send the output of two machines to storage and the rest wherever else you want.

[zenith pecan]

Imho, depots made them less relevant because the mixed mess heading to a storage facility is where they were mostly found.

[gilded goblet]

I need to plan a sc factory, rcu factory, and turbo motor factory

this is gonna hurt

[unkempt blade]

yeah but classy pioneers only use the depot as part of their central mall

[lost wagon]

I have a sushi belt storage facility, still didn't have to use programmable, trucks unloading in the stations, all the belts merging into one running in the fastest belt speed through smart splitters pulling the resouces to each proper storage

[gilded goblet]

I only use depots at my factories

[unkempt blade]

proudly low class, I respect it!

[gilded goblet]

just makes the game funner by not having to lug around a shit ton of resources

[zenith pecan]

I have depots attached to multi-can storage yards, those make a decent buffer, then just pick how many depots per set based on material use.

[hard ivy]

Transporting items only to put them into the depot is a waste of time lol

[unkempt blade]

much classier, well done

[lost wagon]

yea, mine has an industrial storage, then a normal storage and then it goes to the depo

so if I need a billion of something I can just go there

[unkempt blade]

you're already playing video games, what makes one approach a bigger waste of time?

[lost wagon]

imagine caring about waste of time when you should be caring about what is cool

[zenith pecan]

Here's an example of one way to do the supercomputers & rcu , #design-and-architecture message , the footage is ancient, dating back to update 7 but still relevant. I had turbo motors on a different line completely though.

[heavy pine]

I've got two storage type blueprints now. One with a smart splitter that sends product into an industrial storage with an uploader attached then overflows to an AWESOME Sink, and another that sends to an industrial storage with two uploaders attached to its output.

[jade frigate]

Is there an infinite amount of alternative recipes in game?

[hard ivy]

No, there's like 110

[lost wagon]

if all I cared was about being optimal I would've dropped this game 400 hours ago after finishing it in 100 hours

[heavy pine]

No, in fact there are more hard drives on the map than there are alternate recipes. Once you've researched all you can for your current state the MAM will say it can't research any more.

[unkempt blade]

there are an infinite number of recipe combinations though!

[gilded goblet]

that would be crazy hard to make infinite alts

[hard ivy]

I only care about what's optimal, and I'm still playing 1500 hours in

[gilded goblet]

you have 10x my hours lmao

[lost wagon]

must be nice just reusing everything every run

[zenith pecan]

The rubber and plastic for depots and stores is fed entirely from the waste that leaves my power station 😄

[shy mulch]

I only care about having fun and making things that make me happy. Sometimes that means being efficient, sometimes that means being very inefficient

[unkempt blade]

Nice! That's very environmentally conscious of you!

[heavy pine]

LGIO is proof that inefficiency can be entertaining, at least to watch.

[lost wagon]

"Now I will play this different start zone to make things different"
built everything the same as the previous save because that's the optimal route

[shy mulch]

You completed the space elevator in 100h on your first playthrough? 😵‍💫

[zenith pecan]

240 rubber/plastic and 4800 steel using power station byproducts.

[lost wagon]

if all you care is about it, yes

[hard ivy]

Eh, I do one run per year. I don't really mind that I'm doing kinda the same thing again and again.

But also, half (or even ⅔) of each run is the endgame project, which is different every time

[unkempt blade]

Everyone should get those dice out! Roll for recipe choices each factory!

[jade frigate]

There is enough hard drives on map to get all of them?

[hard ivy]

Yes

[gilded goblet]

there is extra

[shy mulch]

That's some mega dedication to doing the absolute bare minimum to complete without any exploration or playing around

[gilded goblet]

iirc including all mam research

[zenith pecan]

Yes, in addition, try not to buy the hard drives, those are a trap that will leave you with useless drives in the stores.

[unkempt blade]

Yeah and I already do enough of that at work! I need variety in my gaming!

[jade frigate]

I didn't even know I can buy it

[shy mulch]

But do you use factory carts in your real work?

[gilded goblet]

you can buy drives?

[lost wagon]

they added it as late game stuff

[hard ivy]

Dunno why you would, but yes

Especially at 100 coupons each

[zenith pecan]

I'm mostly taking a break, my next project will be a new concrete yard, my last one was taking up several relatively inaccessible quartz nodes, and overproduced oscillators by a huge margin.

[unkempt blade]

that would make work so much better if I could

[gilded goblet]

yea thats a scam

[zenith pecan]

Hence why I said it's a trap 🙂

[gilded goblet]

😭

I despise slow mode

[lost wagon]

should've let me buy mercer balls instead, because I am getting tired of collecting them every save I do

[heavy pine]

As a wise military leader once said, "It's a trap!"

[gilded goblet]

oh sweet the base Plastic AI limiter recipe sends 8 limiters, 4 for storage 😁

[zenith pecan]

Here's what I did with the inaccessible quartz #screenshots message , only at the end did I think, should I build that.

[unkempt blade]

good color choices!

[zenith pecan]

Made the most sense, I try to colour machines & their lines based on the material being worked on.

[quaint vapor]

is there some sort of anti cheat stopping me from using the player attack button with a script? I tried rebinding the button ingame to k but it still wouldn't hit with my script

[lost wagon]

there is no anticheat

[fiery lotus]

Satisfactory has such good game design dang, first high power requirement crash site I find is right near where you're likely to setup your first coal power (and in this case I already did, but if I was more exploration focused I would have run into this, turned around, and built the power infra anyways )

[verbal yoke]

I'm starting to remember why I don't like working with liquids much, I just plugged in my system and it got full of water, I then emptied it and it started underproducing water to the point where it couldn't keep up with itself

[dense violet]

sounds like you've got a weird layout or not clocked things properly

or trying to go over the pipe limit

[verbal yoke]

it's just aluminium, the first time it worked for a good like 10m but then got full, and after emptying it, there wasn't enough water being made by the aluminium scrap refineries to fuel the alumina solution refineries

[dense violet]

are you mixing the waste and fresh water?

[verbal yoke]

yes

[dense violet]

likely that.

a lot of the ways of doing that isn't very reliable

pipes aren't belts and back flow can cause stuttering

[heavy pine]

I always undersupply the fresh water so that the water produced by the process makes up the difference.

[fiery lotus]

It still creates bi-directional force if you don't valve it out right, right

[dense violet]

no, valves don't effectively stop the sloshing either

[heavy pine]

Like my current aluminum plant needs 300 water but produces 180 as a byproduct, so I'm only bringing in 120.

[dense violet]

in fact feeding the waste into the fresh using a valve is one of hte worst ways of doing things

[fiery lotus]

Not even by creating an isolated buffer loop? Liquids are suffering

[dense violet]

I don't know what you mean by 'buffer loop', but including a buffer anywhere there will only make it worse

[fiery lotus]

I don't mean the buffer item, I don't use that

[dense violet]

if you are going to do a direct feed system, you probably want to use a VIP junction. Though I don't recommend them

Split Feed is a fullproof and reliable method though

[fiery lotus]

My liquid setup is full of separate loops & buffers to control flow

I don't even know what the buffer item looks like though

[dense violet]

I would have to see it

to understand what you mean

head to #math-and-meta

[fiery lotus]

Well I haven't combined products that's just for normal flow, I'll have to get to that tech level first to prove if it works there lol

But I'll probably head over there when I get back to base

I'm on the opposite side of the map yoinking HDDs right now

[dense violet]

#math-and-meta message

[vivid orchid]

Is there a way to get forward thrust on the jetpack? It goes so slow horizontally unless I slide jump. Is there a mod for it maybe?

[dense violet]

run fast and launch yourself

sprint slide jump, blast off

[vivid orchid]

Yeah but sometimes I don't have space for that or the slide jump bugs out.

[dense violet]

you can't slide uphills unless it's very slight

[gilded goblet]

planning factories in creative is so much easier

[dense violet]

and yeah it's not meant to be a plane for you

[vivid orchid]

Sad, I wish there was a plane lol, but sadly can't control the drones.

[heavy pine]

Use a hypertube cannon to give yourself some forward momentum, and then use the jetpack to maintain altitude.

[warm phoenix]

dog house for when?

[native tapir]

Hello Roelieboy204,

You can detonate a nobelisk to gain momentum in exchange for damage.

Hope this helps

-Doug

[shy mulch]

Nuke ones are best

[nimble delta]

I see in some satisfactory they can do zoop but like in 2 axis to make a square fast? Is that a setting or a mod or

[fluid sapphire]

thats a mod

[mortal ginkgo]

infinite zoop mod

(I think thats the name)

[lost wagon]

zoop works with 2 axis by default

unless I am misremembering

[fluid sapphire]

it doesnt

[lost wagon]

you can make a square of foundations instead of line by line

[fluid sapphire]

you either get horizontal, or vertical, not both

[violet needle]

um

[lost wagon]

ah, you mean a cube, not a square

[violet needle]

i need solutions on how to not destroy the landscape #screenshots

[fluid sapphire]

in vanilla you cant even make squares

[topaz shale]

Is using blueprints for placing rails a bit bugged? Either that or this mod that puts a list of rail blueprints into your game might have some broken blueprints. It's the community rail mod. The mod only adds in the blueprints to your game automatically.

[mortal ginkgo]

Build minimum stuff in there, aka only train stations and oil extractors

[topaz shale]

Infinite Zoop mod let's you do this

[warm phoenix]

btw how much floor space doe warrant for multiple floors

[mortal ginkgo]

yes

[violet needle]

thatd mean i have to ship the raw oil over to desert

[mortal ginkgo]

yes

[violet needle]

quite far to run a pipe

and train would need a lot

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean...

[violet needle]

oh and add to that almost 3k water

[mortal ginkgo]

there are other places to exploit for water, but for oil, you need a way to get oil out.

[violet needle]

alternatively put the plant here #screenshots

[gilded goblet]

supercomputers is a big factory

[mortal ginkgo]

make 0.001/min so it becomes a smol supercomputer factory

🙂‍↕️

[gilded goblet]

😭

i'm doing 2/minute, 12 computers a minute (the supercomputers only need 8, then sending 4 computers to depo)

or i'll add 2.5 rcu's a minute and send 1.5 computers/minute to storage

decisions decisions

split it even, thats what we're doing

[shy fog]

hmm... weirdness... chainsaw works even if you have a full inventory and does INSTANT delete of target

no more falling tree animation

you can tell how often I used the chainsaw 🙂

[heavy pine]

I like the falling trees, it's kind of amusing. The screen shake messes me up when I'm clearing a lot though.

[mortal ginkgo]

I like how medium bushes are tagged as tree so we get a huge shake when they fall

[heavy pine]

The shake causes me to lose targeting on the next tree.

[boreal musk]

you can reduce the shake effect

i completely turned it off bcs it made me sick actually

[fiery lotus]

I just spent 10 minutes debugging pipes only to find one of the extractors wasn't powered

[topaz shale]

Are Hornslet's rail blueprints outdated at all? Tried to use them but don't seem to work that well. None of the rails are actually connected and same for things like the hypertubes.

[violet needle]

🅱️ for 🅱️lashlight

[shy fog]

highBeams

[fiery lotus]

surely it's for bLumens

[violet needle]

should i try incorporating verticality in an oil plant

holy moly 125 refineries

[heavy pine]

B for Blast Them With Photons

[gilded goblet]

alright I have 2 RCU's 2 SC's 2 Computers planned out

[violet needle]

https://tenor.com/view/star-gif-16789607377123159596

it doesnt embed :grief:

[gilded goblet]

sadly

[violet needle]

you need MORE

[gilded goblet]

yes i know

It's a temp factory just to get it going

so i dont have to hand craft, and i'll just sit afk overnight and have all I'll need for a while

[violet needle]

you know how that always ends

nothing is ever a temp factory

[gilded goblet]

with me afking it overnight getting about 1000 of each then fucking off and unlocking what I actually want 😭

Then setting up nuclear power and then building massive factories

[heavy pine]

Nothing quite so permanent as a temporary fix.

[gilded goblet]

real!

[violet needle]

fr lol

[gilded goblet]

its mainly so I can get mk3 miners then unlock mk6 belts so I can actually automate shit properly with nodes

so I dont have to pull from 10 nodes with a mk2 miner

[violet needle]

thinking about mk6s when not even at computers lol

[gilded goblet]

not automated computers

I'm p4

whatever phase tiers 7 and 8 reside

[violet needle]

yeah, you got alu yet?

[gilded goblet]

ye

and rocket fuel

[violet needle]

fuck i just realized i didnt bring power

[gilded goblet]

LMAO

[violet needle]

AAAAAA

[gilded goblet]

do I need cooling systems for storage at all

[violet needle]

yeah

[fluid sapphire]

properly? so you consider everything before mk6 like improper or temporary somehow?

[violet needle]

particle accels use em

and t9 buildings

and a lot of them

[gilded goblet]

everything I'm building before mk6 is temp

[violet needle]

50 per building

[gilded goblet]

good fuck

[violet needle]

:clueless: wrong mindset imo

[fluid sapphire]

thats pretty wild lol, thats like 90% of all production

[violet needle]

oh and same with rcu

[fluid sapphire]

everything that happens before mk6

[violet needle]

1 t9 building needs 50 of em

[gilded goblet]

so i'll need way more than 10 rcu's a minute

[cursive crane]

really not lol

[violet needle]

10 should be fine

[cursive crane]

once you hit t9 you need to ramp up alot to meet the new needs. its almost like an entire rebuild at that point

[violet needle]

youll have a crate stockpile anyway

[gilded goblet]

true

industrial storage for the win

[violet needle]

augh i need to design a train station for this

i need like 3 rails

[fluid sapphire]

i have looked at some of the things needed and thats not the impression i get at all? if you have some scale going on that built with mk5 belts, its not at all outlandish for that to be enough to easily finish phase 5

[violet needle]

sulfur in
plastic rubber fuel out
petroleum cok out

[fluid sapphire]

if you make like 1 per minute of each of the phase 5 parts by the end, thats already enough really

[violet needle]

nah we go 5 slooped to 10

:>

[fluid sapphire]

im talking about practical needs

[violet needle]

except the pasta

[fluid sapphire]

you can build big with anything, doesnt mean you necessarily need giant scale for phase 5

[violet needle]

i am not slooping 6 fully ocd accels lol

yeah

[violet needle]

but its fun fun fun!

[fluid sapphire]

my point is that if you have decent groundwork, even if its not big scale, in phase 4, you will not suddenly hit a wall where your stuff is not enough

[violet needle]

wait
you arent building a completely new massive factory for the t5 parts

from the ground up?

[fluid sapphire]

no, i build everything as a network of modules

[violet needle]

oh lol

yeah i kinda did and didnt at the same time

[gilded goblet]

for my next magic trick, i'm gonna need a fuck load of resources

[violet needle]

like i have a dedicated steel, oil, alumiunium factory etc

[fluid sapphire]

my elevator factory will for the most part be a place where i import almost all the precursors

[violet needle]

but none of them get exported for like bigger parts

[fluid sapphire]

i start out by making enough so that i have some to spare that i can siphon

like i have 18 fused modular frames going, no way i need another factory for that

if i do need more of anything, thats when i will make more

but if i can just siphon, i will

[violet needle]

i built so i have plenty for sinks and inventory use

[gilded goblet]

Why I want to wait till I get mk3 miners and mk6 belts

For my factory thats making 10 Turbo Motors/min 10 RCU/min and 10 Cooling systems/min I need

1,235 caterium/minute
1100 bauxite/min
1,635 coal/min
975 iron/min
910 copper/min

[violet needle]

like now iirc i have ~650 coupons

[gilded goblet]

yummy

[plain gate]

aluminum production in house is a bit...

[fluid sapphire]

yeah i mean if you are making all that from scratch then i can see the necessity

[plain gate]

i mean if you wanna do it

[violet needle]

honestly

mk6 arent that neccesarry

[fluid sapphire]

its just so much easier not to

[violet needle]

sure you can fully use a pure node

but imo mk6 look awful

[fluid sapphire]

you can already build at massive scale even with mk2 miners and mk5 belts

[gilded goblet]

yea but I dont have any of that automated off site

[fluid sapphire]

you are free to do it your way, of course

[gilded goblet]

mhm

[plain gate]

yea it does... if u hate it that much js go into engine and reskin it no

[fluid sapphire]

i know for me i would lose my sanity entirely if i did

[gilded goblet]

it's just Mk3 miners and mk6 belts would make this 1000% easier because I'd be able to pull the 900's and 1100 off of one pure node

Unless I just trained in 1100 bauxite a minute but that'd make it need like 5000 bauxite on one train

[fiery lotus]

Seems reasonable

[gilded goblet]

trains have enough throughput to support 1100 bauxite/minute?

[plain gate]

yeah

[fluid sapphire]

sure, but i guess what i am trying to say is, it doesnt need to be temporary, you can just scale up elsewhere later

[plain gate]

whats the round trip time

[gilded goblet]

Oh no THIS is going to be permanent

[gilded goblet]

I haven't planned any of it in game yet, I'm in modeler

[fluid sapphire]

im talking about all the stuff built with mk5 belts and mk2 miners

[gilded goblet]

ah

[plain gate]

i really recommend you centeralize all your aluminum production in the red forst

the nodes are located laterally on the center of the map

[gilded goblet]

i believe thats where I did it

[fiery lotus]

Found a downside to using a standard blueprints for facilities, I forgot which facility I was in for 15 seconds lol

[fluid sapphire]

like i am working on factory that makes 4500 aluminum ingots with mk2 miners and mk5 belts

its totally doable

[gilded goblet]

well no i did it in a different spot but i'm pulling the resources from th red forrest via train

[gilded goblet]

i know it's doable, i just wanted max throughput, but I guess I could drone in some things and train in some things then scale up the miners later on down the line

because this factory is going to be EXTREMELY permanent

[plain gate]

both aluminum sheets and casings scale down slightly from bauxite no

so its more efficeint ig

[violet needle]

bauxite stacks to 200 right?

[gilded goblet]

uhhhh

[violet needle]

or 100

[gilded goblet]

i think it's 100 iirc

i'm not entirey sure

[fluid sapphire]

it is 100

[gilded goblet]

ah

[violet needle]

thats 3.2k per car

[gilded goblet]

2 cars

6.4k

[violet needle]

if the round trip takes bit less that 6 mins

thats 1.1k/min

[gilded goblet]

i can do up to 780*2 per minute

[plain gate]

should be enough to go anywhere except grass crater

[fluid sapphire]

i think its easier to approach it from the opposite end. like calculate how long the amount supplied by the train will last on the consuming end

[plain gate]

or the weird blue lake

[fluid sapphire]

that will tell you how much time your train has to complete a round trip

[violet needle]

or just eyeball it and add 1 more cart

lol

[fluid sapphire]

its so easy to calculate it

[plain gate]

personally i just use 4 car trains for anything

they've done well to milk like 90% of the entire map resources lol

[gilded goblet]

well, i need 1.1k/minute 2 carts is 6.4k so it's roughly 6 minutes

[fluid sapphire]

its safer to make longer trains

[gilded goblet]

Yea

[fluid sapphire]

less frequent trips

[plain gate]

less traffic

[fluid sapphire]

yes

[gilded goblet]

do drones load instantly or do they load like trains

like does it stock it then drop it in the drone

[fluid sapphire]

my trains carry 8 cars worth of bauxite, one station outputs 1.2k per minute for example, that means this supply lasts for about 21 minutes, so i know that if my train can make the trip in less than that, i should be good

[gilded goblet]

Yea

it takes you less than 21 minutes to fill those 8 cars? 😭

[fluid sapphire]

well no, fill time should be the same as use time

[gilded goblet]

ah

[fluid sapphire]

but i have buffers on both ends

[gilded goblet]

i see

[fluid sapphire]

idk, i am having some trouble with my trains

[gilded goblet]

like industrial storages?

[fluid sapphire]

yeah

so that while the train is loading or unloading, the supply doesnt suddenly stop being used or refilled

[gilded goblet]

where the fuck would you even need 23k bauxite

[gilded goblet]

ah

[plain gate]

is there even 23k bauxite on the map

[fluid sapphire]

23k? there isnt even that much on the map

[plain gate]

ya thats normal thats what buffers are for

[violet needle]

12.3k bauxite

yall got any cool train stations designs?

[plain gate]

just think of it thermodynamically, if x amoutn comes in x amount must come out on average in any given timeframe

[gilded goblet]

8 cars is like 23k bauxite

[fluid sapphire]

its 25600, but the amount doesnt matter, its just being transported in a lump

[gilded goblet]

ah

[fluid sapphire]

thats just a supply for however long it takes to consume it

[gilded goblet]

oooh

[fluid sapphire]

imagine a hose of water vs a bucket

conveyor is a hose, train is bucket

[gilded goblet]

ye ye

i like

[violet needle]

i produce 20 hmfs and 20 are needed for fmfs
why are fmfs running at 90% capacity?

[gilded goblet]

completely misunderstood

[violet needle]

answer: the void ate my hmfs

material loss to the void

[fluid sapphire]

thats what i thought was happening to my water earlier

it just seemed to disappear

[timber tundra]

Where are savegames saved if it's not in local appdata?
I'm playing Satisfactory on Linux using Proton and I can't seem to find where my savegames are saved

[velvet idol]

[your Steam library]/steamapps/compatdata/526870/pfx/drive_c/users/steamuser/AppData/Local/FactoryGame/Saved/SaveGames/

[violet needle]

im wondering if i hate myself rnough to change the lang to jp

[feral geyser]

Did I get pinged somewhere??

[timber tundra]

Aight, thanks

[feral geyser]

It looked like maybe in screenshots, then it got deleted.

[waxen locust]

I swear. at this point, I need a pipe expert to join my world and tell me what the hell im doing wrong. I've rebuild my power plant 6 different times, spent over 100 hours on it, and i keep running into issues. none stop with the piping. I've even practices the plumping guide that was made all over this factory.

I just had to wait 40 minutes. for a pipe using 300, but being given 600, to finally stabilize. and it aint even a long pipe.

[fluid sapphire]

#1038092680493801533

[fiery lotus]

I fill my pipes before putting demand on them, it has helped mostly

[violet needle]

yall got any cool train stations designs i could take ideas from?

[fluid sapphire]

mine are boring xd

[fluid sapphire]

#screenshots message

[waxen locust]

thats what i've done. 4 times now, and they still end up with issues.

[mortal ginkgo]

I got bad news for you.

There is no pipe expert.

For one that gives an answer and says "this works for me", you will see another one saying "no it doesn't work for me."

Sloshing is an uncontrollable false-reality simulation that happens inside pipes that you can not control. The only way to do is simply not letting it happen in the first place.

Do NOT use mk2 pipes to its full potential. Pretend that mk2 pipes are actually 595/m2, not 600. This will save you tons of issues.

The way game's tick works is dependent on float values. A float value can be 1.00 and 1.000000000001 at the same time. Thats why it goes hell in places that it shouldn't be.

Secondly, if Water byproduct is truly bothering you, just sink it with concrete. Noone is here to judge you.

Thirdly, if it is fuel generators, make sure they are all filled up before starting up. (but still pretend that mk2 pipes are 595m2).

Hope this helps just a tit bit.

[fiery lotus]

Coke steel ingot & copper rotor... I think I just let this one sit?

[waxen locust]

I know there isn't a "pipe expert" but theres definatly someone more knowledgeable than i am.
and for the whole pipe system, i made sure everything was completely full before turning it on.

[ivory condor]

sloshing is a property of pipes, not sure how you could make it not happen in the first place

[waxen locust]

well as I said, I followed the plumping guide, I've got tanks at the end to help ease it. and ive got pumps.

[fiery lotus]

Elevation is the main mechanism irl

Make sure any flow that is going to have problems has gravity to pull it past the problem

[ivory condor]

if this game uses irl fluid mechanics, im not sure what to say

[fiery lotus]

I've been treating it like it does but I'm sure some of what I'm doing is unnecessary

[waxen locust]

i gotta say this has been mostly working so far. the bottom half of my fuel plant has less issues than the 2nd floor of my fuel gens.

[mortal ginkgo]

I gave more info about how "well having them full" is not just enough too.

There are people who have Nuclear Reactors DIRECTLY linked to 2 Water Extractors and while some Reactors are working totally fine, some of them just simply start of 600m2 water despite thats what they are getting.

The easiest solution is to not try using pipes to their full potential

[mortal ginkgo]

This game's fluid mechanics are anything but realistic 😛

[ivory condor]

can confirm, the fact you can bypass headlift via water towers says it all

[violet needle]

oh i just realized theres a pure sam node here lol

[waxen locust]

i know its the easiest solution. but im not rebuilding this place for a 7th, 8th, 12th time. just because unreal engine doesnt like floats.

[crisp edge]

Totally missed that reply lol. Add me on steam. Friend code: 387862770

[mortal ginkgo]

nobody asking you to rebuild. Just downclock some fuel gens

[fiery lotus]

I didn't notice the SAM node in my main path of travel for awhile, because it was surrounded by amethyst nodes

[mortal ginkgo]

Now give it to me. Or else there will be trouble!

[prime jasper]

They didn't induce linear pressure loss. So we don't loose headlift when running our liquids in very long pipes. But beyond that it is not bad, it is better than most video games at least.

[waxen locust]

tried that. didnt solve my issue.

[ivory condor]

have you tried looping the pipes, thats at least one tried method that should work

[violet needle]

what wall material do yall use

cos i kinda like concrete but at the same time its bland

[waxen locust]

only thing i havnt truely tried.

[ivory condor]

oh thats probably your issue then

you need to loop the pipes then

[fiery lotus]

Plastic Smart Plating is a bit of a meme innit

[violet needle]

?

[fiery lotus]

I do need 10 smart plating a minute for the rest of the game but I see no reason to add plastic to the recipe

[ivory condor]

ficsit walls, as you said concrete is horrible

i tried to make white concrete walls work, but alas its over

[waxen locust]

whatever suits the build.

[ivory condor]

just have to accept some of these materials arent what im going for

[waxen locust]

9 times outta 10. i mix materials

[ivory condor]

yeah im doing that now

ficsit walls and coated concrete floors, etc, best way i can get the colors im going for

[gusty bronze]

hold on IT professional here, I can solve your issues... have you tried turning the materials off and on?

[ivory condor]

i tried messing the color pallet in vain hope it would work, but it was a failure

[willow glen]

you can manually type in a brightness greater than 1. I like 8 for “colorful” concrete.
It’s just unfortunate that it affects all things that use the same swatch, so buildings get a bit blown out, but it’s great for concrete!

[ivory condor]

i tried, it doesn't work

i tried everything, it just doesn't work for these concrete walls

[willow glen]

there’s no way they patched that, it used to work. Unless you mean it’s not what you want, in which case, 🤷 ya it’s a bit brutalist in here

[ivory condor]

maybe it never worked?

[willow glen]

and windows make the game kinda laggy if you spam them everywhere, there’s no brick or wood panel siding.

[ivory condor]

well you can try to make white concrete walls, i tried and failed to make it work

if there is a way, i cant figure it out

but its fine im using ficsit walls, those are i can get to the color themes, a little disappointed concrete walls wont work but i couldnt get anything to work

mixing materials isnt the worst, better than bland concrete walls at any rate

[violet needle]

hm
do i bring the sulfur in on the same train that the plastic goes out?

since its on the route

[willow glen]

ya ok I’ve gotten really bright colors but as far as a pure white wall nope, it’s still definitely a shade of grey.
Billboards would work tho, use the small ones and overlap them.

[willow glen]

I would

[ivory condor]

shade of grey, some results i was getting hmmm

[violet needle]

that makes 2 train stations then

[ivory condor]

well at least it isnt just me doing something wrong

[dense cave]

is there any way to change floor name of an elevator

[violet needle]

petroleum stacks to 500 right

[noble topaz]

Who wants to raise their blood pressure enough to have to go to the hospital cuz ik something someone could do

[willow glen]

Aim lower, the edit option should show up

[noble topaz]

Turn off all of your power plants, from something as small as a biomass burner, to nuclear reactors

And try to get the power back online

[violet needle]

oh thank CHRIST i need just 765 coke

[vale grotto]

I'm late to the convo, but are you at any point putting 600m^3/min into a pipe?

[violet needle]

#screenshots *why.. *

[noble topaz]

Damn

So close

[vale grotto]

And are you absolutely sure your production works 100%? Have you tried filling a series of fluid buffers for like 15 minutes to check if all buildings are at 100%?

[fair oak]

Need some advice, just unlocked tiers 5 & 6. I'm debating whether to start over because my world is a complete mess. What's your advice? And how do you build your factories? One large one for all productions, or a few smaller ones?

[fiery lotus]

Any distribution is valid so long as it gets the job done, but modular units are easier to work with in any technical context.

Also there's no reason to start over you can just rip up anything that's not working.

Unless you just want to archive your errors, but you can backup the save for that

[violet needle]

honestly, its so early that if you think that the mess will be detrimental you can restart

[fiery lotus]

I just know some gamers tend to get into restart loops if they do that

[river oriole]

Can someone help me? #screenshots

[violet needle]

and i myself usually make multiple separate albeit big factories for all the subtypes

like separate oil, separate steel, etc

and for complex endgame parts rn im making a single big factory that just imports raw resources

with bit smaller satelite plants for stuff like oil and aluminium processing, and ore smelting/refining

[viscid bobcat]

hey guys I just unlocked oil processing so excited to enjoy the game

I bet it will be so much fun

[violet needle]

you reminded me of my first playthrough

in update 2 iirc

[viscid bobcat]

this is my first playthrough

[river oriole]

So uhhhh can anyone help me?

[viscid bobcat]

rzeka

[violet needle]

i started in the grassy fields
and brought in a belt of oil through the cave
to process it back at my base lol

[viscid bobcat]

im pretty sure that satisfactory modeler only puts the parts that you need

[violet needle]

what is that

[viscid bobcat]

so the 240 you typed is the max limit, but for your system you only need 90

[dense cave]

uhh i did see a cogwheel

[river oriole]

yea but i want more parts

[violet needle]

i wonder why not just use something like satisfactory tools

[viscid bobcat]

I think you have to increase the system demand entirely

[dense cave]

but nothing is opening whatever i press

[viscid bobcat]

satisfactory modeler is kinda weird like that

but if you have 240 and the system only demands 90 then it wont work

[river oriole]

wait

i got it

[violet needle]

i think this might be the first time i use fluid trains

[zenith pecan]

I couldn't get on with fluid trains tbh, it was simpler for me to just causeway a long, straight & level pipe and not even need to deal with setting timetables or power.

[fluid sapphire]

power?

[zenith pecan]

The trains do use electric, and the stations are a bit huge ...

[hard ivy]

Package it and you'll need 1.5-2x fewer wagons

[spark pilot]

what can i do so that the fluids from refineries get used up first, and then the water from the extractors, cuz my refineries keep clogging up?

[zenith pecan]

True,, still more effort than just running a pipe or two 😛

[zenith pecan]

Aluminium right.

[fluid sapphire]

planning to avoid trains entirely?

[spark pilot]

yup 💀

[hard ivy]

Depends how much fluid you need. 3000/min is not one or 2 pipes

[violet needle]

is a conv wall hole supposed to not be see through?

[zenith pecan]

Ouch, right, ok, I had to set my refineries into two groups, one took fresh water, the other fed the wastewater which those refineries used exclusively., it took some clock shenanigans to make it work though, keep the pipework simple to avoid grief.

[zenith pecan]

I've still run pipelines, here's a view of the setup that sucked the spire coast dry #design-and-architecture message

[spark pilot]

yeah that makes sense, the problem i have is that i built everything so it uses 1200 bauxite a minute, but i dont have the conveyer yet (i planned in advance so i only have to replace the belts) so idk how much water exactly im producing

[hard ivy]

Honestly, I'd neither run pipelines or trains. I'd convert the fluid into a solid product and train/belt that

[hard ivy]

VIP then

[fluid sapphire]

ya'll. after days of struggling and fucking around. my aluminum facility has finally been running with a flat power graph for the last 3 minutes. how much you wanna bet that shit is fucked and its gonna break in the next 20 minutes

[zenith pecan]

That is a saving grace, it isn't stupidly huge like this one #screenshots message , I'll have to load my save to get you the clocks though, bear with me please.

[hard ivy]

Check the plumbing manual in pinned messages in #math-and-meta

[hard ivy]

3 mins is not enough to declare it's stable 😆

[spark pilot]

jesus christ that is huge, but its all good, i have time :)

[fluid sapphire]

no, its not, but its not been stable for that long yet

[zenith pecan]

The main structure processes 12000 bauxite, the nearby annex handles the last 300 (which is used to make ficsite ingots)

[hard ivy]

You can also do the meme option and use packagers and a priority merger

[zenith pecan]

It would have the advantage of being completely bulletproof.

[hard ivy]

It works surprisingly well, if it's a bit huge

[spark pilot]

oh yeah thats super smart actually, i might do that

thanks guys! :)

[fluid sapphire]

meanwhile me just making 10 000 ingots with my waste water

[restive summit]

Will there be tiers after t9

[violet needle]

diagonal walls when

[fluid sapphire]

no, likely not

[violet needle]

to which

[fluid sapphire]

tiers after tier 9

diagonal walls and windows would be nice

[wicked nacelle]

and diagonal walls

[fluid sapphire]

obvs

[crisp edge]

i'm convinced that the 10 minute scan time on the hard drives is there to demonstrate to you how much you lose time while playing satisfactory

[fluid sapphire]

it do be feeling like it actually takes about 2 minutes

[zenith pecan]

Got it, the freshwater refinery is clocked at 90%, the two wastewater refineries are clocked at 105% , those three in total are paired with four refineries producing the aluminium crap.

scrap*

[neat crescent]

TIL that biomass burners won't charge up power storage

wich absolutely sucks because now I have no idea on how to start up my power plants

[crisp edge]

wait really?

[fluid sapphire]

fr fr

[hard ivy]

More biomass burners

[crisp edge]

well that's easy to solve, just drop a few biomass burners and connect them to give it a startup boost

[violet needle]

lets go stargazing tonight, the project assembly looks really beautiful this time of year~

[zenith pecan]

Bioburners work a bit like a low powered power store that happens to use fuel rather than charge,

[hard ivy]

They only charge up from the difference between production and consumption. That's always 0 with biomass burners

[neat crescent]

startup boost?

[crisp edge]

some power for the gens to consume while they start producing their own power

[fluid sapphire]

wow. phase 4 complete huh. i will catch up. even if it will take me months to do so

[neat crescent]

130 GW? how many biomass burners is that 🙁

[neat crescent]

but I put down 14 and they are all overclooockeeeed

[fluid sapphire]

its not the generators that need power, its the auxiliary stuff that makes stuff for the generators, you surely dont need 130GW for that

[hard ivy]

What kinda power plant needs 130 GW to start up?

[fluid sapphire]

if you need a lot to start.. its probably easiest to cobble together a quick coal power plant somewhere, start that first, use it to charge up some power storage and go from there

[hard ivy]

Or just use your existing power plants to charge up power storage

[heavy pine]

Or turn on some of the infrastructure a little at a time. Like if you've got 50 refineries making fuel, turn on five at a time.

[fluid sapphire]

i was under the impression thats not something that they have?

[crisp edge]

i thought that's what we were talking about, starting up a coal plant without thinking about the fact that it needs power to start. they only need like 5mw per gen if i remember right

[fading plinth]

is there a recommended solution for sorting out high volumes of items come in off a train?

[burnt ferry]

i was very successfull by making pairs of refineries directly consuming the alu fluid and the water

[fluid sapphire]

i would think that at 130gw its not coal

[neat crescent]

I do have one for my compacted coal at the rocket fuel plant

[hard ivy]

Don't mix them in the first place

[crisp edge]

either it's a typo or i misunderstood in the first place. i'm saying that when the conversation started i thought we were talking about a coal plant startup, BEFORE the 130gw number was dropped

[fluid sapphire]

fair enough, i just figured from the context, that it would not be a problem at all, to start a coal plant with biomass burners, so they wouldnt even be here with that problem

[fluid sapphire]

man, mixed trains sounds like an actual nightmare ngl

[burnt ferry]

very easy to get... just rebuild a push pull stqtion to a go through

[fading plinth]

I was trying to get some central storage setup from all my little satellite factories but I cant seem to unload the stations fast enough

[zenith pecan]

Mixed can be unscrewed with a decent setup of smart splitters and cans, I did it moving 9 products using 4 drone ports 🤣

[burnt ferry]

you dont need central storage anymore.. ficsit has something better fo r you

[crisp edge]

unless it's their first time. i was really really confused when i did coal for the first time a couple weeks ago. i build everything and then went 'huh, why isn't the plant starting?' took me a while to realize that the extractors need power to fill the gens before they can produce. also it's really annoying that if you hook the gens up to power poles but don't hook them up to anything else, like even just one gen to a pole and not to another gen, they start gobbling up coal. learned that one when attempting to allow them to fill up before hooking them to the grid, and they just wouldn't stop running

[burnt ferry]

if there is enough coal youdont have to let it fill up before.. if theres not enough coal letting it fill up before doesnt help

[dense cave]

uhh what do i use to detonate a nuke

[hard ivy]

The nobelisk detonator

[dense cave]

but the nuke wont get loaded when i press R

[burnt ferry]

hold r

[hard ivy]

Hold R

[dense cave]

ahhhh

ok ty

[violet needle]

wait how in the hell do i reverse a train signal

[hard ivy]

The fastest way to unload is to use 2 belts per platform, connected immediately to an industrial container, and then pull from the container

[burnt ferry]

it has builld mde left and build mode right

[hard ivy]

Aim at the other side of the connection between rails

[bronze dagger]

Is it better to have lines for screws separated from other lines and split to them or to build a constructor for screws before each assembler

[fluid sapphire]

i thought that was purely a visual thing?

[burnt ferry]

better to have no screws

[zenith pecan]

Spam nukes for vegetation clearence! #screenshots message 🤣

[burnt ferry]

it can be if done right

[violet needle]

what about in the middle of the trac

[burnt ferry]

if it wont let you place it, place it on teh wrong side

[fluid sapphire]

no, i mean the build mode. like all it does is cosmetically change which side the signal ends up on. doesnt change anything function wise

[burnt ferry]

then build it on the right side, which will e easier then

finally delete the one on the wrong side

[hard ivy]

Place one signal (even if it's wrong) to split the rail in half, then place the second one correctly.

Sometimes scroll wheel works but not always

[neat crescent]

programmable / smart splitters, and then container buffers after each of the last splits (one item per container buffer)

then sinks on the overflow of the items with more flowthrough than others from the trains

[burnt ferry]

yes.. but if you actually put the signal such that it flips the direction it will be on the other side as well...

i dont know how i wanted that piont to inflate 😂

[neat crescent]

coal plant is now chugging along, two hours until fully charged. thanks everyone!

[violet needle]

bit suboptimal but eh

[rose willow]

Whatup homies, Just bought this game and planned to never use google to try to get as far as possible. Will that make my experience better or worse? :D

[zenith pecan]

For the initial coal plant I tend to hand mine to top the gens off after the water is fully primed, once done, assuming all is well with the piping, it'll run like clockwork.

[burnt ferry]

thats just the obvious way.. you dont want to mix materials on limited belt capacities because one material will eventually block the other

[rose willow]

Some games are so complicated that some googling might be nice so I thought id ask the community :)

[violet needle]

you will rip your eyes out trying to figure out the numbers for anything big
but thats just math

[burnt ferry]

unless you perfectly know all mats will be consumed along the belt and there will never be more than belt capacity

[fading plinth]

I was looking at the programmable splitters and my idea was to keep breaking down the inputs, so like the first one would break the item list into thirds, then the next would break that down etc. I feel like theres going to be a giant bottleneck somewhere

[violet needle]

gameplay wise going in blind is alright

[rose willow]

Aight cheers

[fluid sapphire]

its now been 20 minutes, so far so good

[zenith pecan]

That depends on the material throughput and requirements, I have the odd 60 that runs mixed loads.

[rose willow]

I figured the math would be the annoying part

[neat crescent]

not if you buffer every output when fully sorted, and then sink all overflow (or at least the stuff that has the most flowthrough)

[violet needle]

it can get really complicated really quick once youre past the very start

[burnt ferry]

that depends on whether or not all mats will be consumed

[violet needle]

but thats whats fun :>

[burnt ferry]

fast enough

[rose willow]

Lmao valid valid

Thanks for the pointer :)

[burnt ferry]

i have a mixed belt of plastic and rubber.. without the sink at the end and an overflow output on each smart splitter it would get stuck eventually

so i pay off by simply trashing any bloackage immediately

[fading plinth]

Right now I'm only bringing over oil/alum products, they get sorted or sinked but eventually my plan is to have a giant train network that just goes around the map and collects the mid level comps to bring over to the late stage area, that isnt built yet lol

I'm sitting on ~250 drone pads to move everything around

[neat crescent]

lol it'll work out

[burnt ferry]

just put everything into its on wagon then... its perfectly possible to achieve that

theres no real penalty for usihng more wagons other than less headache

[neat crescent]

I just completed the game, and produced EVERYTHING at one factory, which I really did regret in the end game.

Now I am gonna have one plant per mid-item, like motors, encased frames, and so on

and screws. damn the screws. amma have a dedicated screw train.

[burnt ferry]

no screws

adhered plate, coated plate, encased modular frames, encased industrial pipes

thas all you need

[fading plinth]

well one of my ideas was to just have a big outside loop then some slips that break off to carry like 4-6 cars worth of comps that are sorted out

Right now I'm just extending my floating factory at my starting area and just letting the chaos flow

[burnt ferry]

just make more trains and more wagons.. but if you limit it to certain low quantity things it might be viable... just never use them sstations as storage , i.e. have buffers to always empty mixed stations immediately

[stray herald]

I just unlocked oil and I found some island with many oil nodes (5 normal, 2 impure and 3 pure)
What should I prioritize production of first?

[burnt ferry]

thats just the game.... you can put supporting beams later 😂 i put a vertical tower of foundations every here and there to have some pseudo structure

getting better at it

[fading plinth]

it happens every play through haha

[burnt ferry]

depends on your power needs

and unlocked recipes

[fading plinth]

Im chipping away at phase 5 and shit is getting out of control. If mass deleting an area wasnt so hard, I'd just wipe it clean

I think Im just going to move to the desert and start a fresh life, like the grass lands never happened

[burnt ferry]

by the way.. kind of psa: if you truckstation your materials and the material is coal or you have a coal node close by... dont bother with transporting packaged fuel.. just put raw coal into the fuel storage of the station.... truckstation line done

[thorn dagger]

where do i make a suggestion'

[burnt ferry]

theres a website with a forum for that

[azure ermine]

yeah in the game menu there's a link to go to the feedback suggestions site

[fading plinth]

I always wondered how a playthough would look with only trucks

[burnt ferry]

terrible

they bugg like helll

[fading plinth]

if you didnt have to record the loop, to and from, i'd try it

[burnt ferry]

i only use tractors.. they have less trouble with slopes as well

[burnt ferry]

ye thats the worst part... remember you can exit the reocrding menu while doing that, such that you can at least where you drive to 😂

[fading plinth]

I havent used land transportation enough to really get into having a real network but I do wish I could record my one way trip then end and have the option for it just to follow its path back