satisfactory

[woeful gate]

What is better? A train car full of packaged crude oil. Or a fluid train car filled with crude oil?

[shrewd palm]

ahh

i havent really gotten into t5 yet, still finishing up t4

[versed plinth]

technically, the packaged version i believe. but also like no because packages are awful

[hard ivy]

a packaged liquid wagon holds 2x more liquid than a fluid wagon

[shrewd palm]

apparently train cars arent good for fluids but i cant see why

[hard ivy]

more, if it's a gas

[versed plinth]

yeah. for example shoving crap tons of iron ore or ingots or JUST SOMETHING TO DO WITH ALL THIS IRON OMG

[dense violet]

sloop it

[versed plinth]

not viable at this stage of the game

[dense violet]

why not? constructors only use 1 per, and if it's power then your main issue is power, not whatever this is

[hard ivy]

still not enough

[hard ivy]

that's why I made a mod 🙃

[dense violet]

not enough for what?

[versed plinth]

my issue is not power, its the fact that im aiming for 20 BWDs / minute. raw.

[ivory condor]

Well my definition of breaking saves means the save for all intents and purposes is unplayable

[versed plinth]

also saying "just sloop it" is such a cop out dont even

[ivory condor]

But if you want to play at single digit frame rates you can

[wicked nacelle]

sure but then you just use the one you started with and move on with your life with no harm caused

[dense violet]

so basically your issue is with literally any particular build where there isn't enough raw resources on the map for the thing you want to do with given recipes

[wicked nacelle]

and for other things when it works fine you saved a lot of time

[versed plinth]

yes

[ivory condor]

Im personally going to give that one a pass

[dense violet]

oh no! there isn't enough copper on the map for 1000 nuclear pasta per min! there should be a more coppper efficient recipe

[versed plinth]

except SAM specifically is the CORE bottleneck

every other resource has plenty to spare

[dense violet]

there's always a core bottle neck

[versed plinth]

yeah but its not even close

[hard ivy]

that's exactly my issue with SAM. you run out of it way before other resources

[versed plinth]

whatever im done talking with someone who isnt open to change im gonna go back to doing other stuff

[dense violet]

no , I'm just pointing out that it's a bad argument because it can be applied to basically any plan you'd randomly care to create

[woeful gate]

How do train blocks work? I have one rail going all the way around the map in a circle. Trains get off and on when when needed, but occassionally crash into other trains when getting onto the highway. Could blocks fix this?

[wicked nacelle]

max sink rate build isn't sam limited and doesn't sloop it. so unless you're doing ficsonium, it's really not an issue

[reef basin]

yes, as long as signals are placed (and no bug appears), trains will never crash

[versed plinth]

i thought it was tbh. i do know ficsonium is a big problem tho

[wicked nacelle]

it's not unless you consider not having any more sam to use to convert to coal a problem.

[versed plinth]

so anyways im using half the SAM on the map 😄

[woeful gate]

when I place a block. It just flashes saying "Signal loops into itself"

[reef basin]

well, because it does

if you have a single signal on a big loop, of course it will loop into itself

[woeful gate]

So is it working?

[reef basin]

yes and no

[versed plinth]

could also be that the signal is placed directly on the intersection between 2 tracks. the game doesn't like that

[woeful gate]

Well like I said its a big loop all the way around the map. With branches that disconnect and connect to the main highway

[reef basin]

signal is working correctly, but you need to signal your entire network first

[reef basin]

not a good rail design either, but w/e

[violet wave]

what do you do?

[ivory condor]

Right, single biggest reason why FFRs are bad, because you run out of SAM before anything else

[reef basin]

I'd do direct A to B connections. You can ofc still share parts of the track, but going around the island is pointless delay

[ivory condor]

But the recipes involving SAM unfortunately don't seem to be balanced, at least not in a way I think is good

[woeful gate]

So blocks WONT work

Which was my original question.

[dense violet]

balanced to what?

[reef basin]

they will

[versed plinth]

imo sam does kinda feel... off? idk 4:1 just feels weird

[ivory condor]

Like and here's a crazy thought not running out of SAM literally before everything else, crazy thought I know🙃

[dense violet]

you mean you make a giant ass plan that has a resource bottle neck like it's possible with any other plan or resource?

oh no, limitations in a problem solving logistics game...

play in a creative world then and have mods that add nodes

[versed plinth]

give me mk4 miners and mk7 belts OR GIVE ME DEATH

[violet wave]

mk7 miner releasing in update 82.7

[versed plinth]

ah so... 5 years from now? epic gamer moment

[ivory condor]

Running out of resources isnt even a logistic problem or one you can solve. Sorry running out isnt even interesting, it just leaves you with nothing to do, not even options

[wicked nacelle]

The game doesn't have to go on literally forever

and if it did people would complain that it's "not optimized enough" to build infinitely large factories

[reef basin]

you can't really solve "limited resources" in a game with fixed-size map

[wicked nacelle]

it's okay for the game to have an end

and if you want more get a mod

[dense violet]

ok but , as stated previously, that can happe nto any resource on the map, there'll always be a bottle neck until your computer catches fire.

it's a really dumb argument

[versed plinth]

tbh i think people may be factorio-pilled

myself included

ever so slightly

[ivory condor]

Im not sure what im learning in a logistic problem solving game by not even having something i can even solve

[hard ivy]

never once have I complained about the game running like shit when I built too much. in fact, I think my pc's performance should be the only thing I am truly limited by

[ivory condor]

Guess in this case im not learning anything🙃

[dense violet]

yes, the lack of SAM ore means there's literally no problems to solve. <,<

[hard ivy]

Like I do not see why y'all think I should not be allowed to make and burn 1000 Ficsonium if I wanted to do that

Just fucking let me torture myself playing at 10 FPS for 500 hours

[reef basin]

get a mod for that 🤷

[wicked nacelle]

because that's not what the game you bought is. Saying that the game isn't perfect for you doesn't make the game wrong. You've flipped the responsibility for your enjoyment on to others. And there are mods to customize it or you can make one.

[versed plinth]

i like the whole diamond set of recipes its pretty cool

[ivory condor]

Are we actually arguing this isnt a factory building game now🙃

[wicked nacelle]

it's just copper powder for coal....

[versed plinth]

im having to use 2 different recipes to deal with the amount of coal needed

[hard ivy]

No, in the game I bought (6 years ago) I was always limited by my PC when making endgame shit. I suffered through 200+h of 15-30 FPS when building a 1 TW nuke plant in U6. Ended up with similar FPS after finishing my 20/20/5/5 P4 factory in U8

[versed plinth]

wut

[ivory condor]

Sorry I didn't know I wasnt supposed to want to have interesting problems to solve in a factory building game and actually building factories around that🙃

[reef basin]

you bought early access game 😉

[versed plinth]

wdym

[shy mulch]

If you want unlimited resources, there's probably mods for that. If you want limited resources, don't complain about there being limited resources 🤷

[wicked nacelle]

Then I suggest going back to that computer and then you'll be happy again

[wicked nacelle]

recipes that eat all the coal

[versed plinth]

???

coal is used in copper powder?

[wicked nacelle]

copper:copper powder as coal:diamonds

[versed plinth]

im so confused

[dense violet]

because as we all know w/o unlimited resources , there's no problem solving challenges in the game.

that really feels like it should be reversed right?

[versed plinth]

oh

i was talking about juggling using finite crystal, oil, limestone, coal, etc.

idk i like it tho

[azure ermine]

I just realized, can't just build over the void, but down to the edge of the void....wiki says it's 240 meters down or something. If I stare into the void nothing bad will happen, right?

[shy mulch]

The game is how it is. For many people including me that's perfectly fine. Many others want it to be different, those people can install mods to make the game the way they want it to be

[hard ivy]

The game has had functionally unlimited resources before 1.0. Because it was basically impossible to run out of any of them before running out of FPS.

[dense violet]

oh yeah, I just hate really bad arguments.

[shy mulch]

Satan's Nuclear Lizard Doggo will smite you

[dense violet]

I generally use a few mods myself. Mostly building ones though

[violet wave]

lots of beef in the satisfactory fandom today

[shy mulch]

This place is a hotbed for ridiculous opinions, you obviously know that by now hehe. I play the game the way that makes me happy and I try to be as open minded as possible around others playing it very differently

[marble willow]

I like how the game has a good level of resources I think it makes it fun but one day I might like to play on a challenge with unlimited resources too just for something different and fun to do

[azure ermine]

I mean it does seem to be suited to tailor your experience the way you want. I set the creatures to passive because I wanted to play factory without the combat.

[leaden turret]

not sure what you mean by unlimited resources, given that the resources don't run out?

[dense violet]

unlimited nodes

which cuts out most of hte logistics problem solving

[leaden turret]

oh, creative mode / resource spawner mods

[marble willow]

I would like one day to play with the game using a mod in which industrial storage can be slooped

[dense violet]

just give yourself more sloops. It'll be the same thing

[shy mulch]

People who run out of nodes, what on earth are you building. I've made some pretty large things and I still have a decent amount of untapped resource

[azure ermine]

I think the thing that struck me as weird as someone playing for the first time is you have storage containers the size of an apartment that hold 48 stacks. I'd love there to be a tree in the MAM to upgrade container storage

[dense violet]

well, realistically, it's the storage CHESTS that are op with their storage

[wicked nacelle]

I'd actually like it if there were much smaller containers (with automated intputs/outputs)

really it's YOUR inventory that's the most OP

[hard ivy]

... Literally anything that uses SAM?

[dense violet]

like, 100 tons of material in a box by your bed? silly right

[wicked nacelle]

no, not "anything that uses sam"

[ivory condor]

Not much unfortunately FFRs consume SAM like crazy. Sure I wish I could make more FFRs, but these recipes are so bad you just cant

[wicked nacelle]

ficsonium

[leaden turret]

play on steam deck, everything is smaller

[dense violet]

but practically you wouldn't have chsets with 2 slots, that would just be very obnoxious

[reef basin]

shame on devs for optimising the game

[ivory condor]

Its unfortunately very easy to run out of SAM nodes

[wicked nacelle]

there's plenty of sam for the core SAM recipes

[shy mulch]

That's probably the thing I'll run short on first

[ivory condor]

Not for FFRs there isnt

[hard ivy]

Plus Matrices take 120 each

[shy mulch]

It's a game of optimisation and logistics. You have a set amount of available stuff, make what you can out of it. If you need more power and don't have enough SAM, you'll have to make the power another way. Literally problem solving. I'd you want to skip the problems and just magic more stuff to be available to you, install a mod and make all the nodes you want

[ivory condor]

While I can understand looking at 10k sam being enough, once you try to make those rods it isnt even close to being enough

[reef basin]

only if you make max rods

[wicked nacelle]

the devs clearly want to discourage it. That's a gameplay choice they made. Get a recipe modifier if you don't like recipes. There's a really nice one that lets you customize any recipe you want

[hard ivy]

Especially because it gets cut in 4 at the very first processing step and you can't use alts to get more

[ivory condor]

Exactly, that's particularly bad because theres little you can do to reduce sam usage

[hard ivy]

Like would it really make the game worse for anyone if there was more SAM or if shit cost less of it?

[ivory condor]

No, why I dont understand why the recipes have to be this bad, its not even interesting beyond being bad

[mortal ginkgo]

You guys are self imposing a rule that devs did not, then wonder why game's design contradicts with yours.

It's self contradictory.

There is no indication where you can use "all iron ore" "all copper ore" etc. Why should there be for uranium?

[marble willow]

I don't really care if things are balanced perfectly but I just hate when balance changes. I prefer everything to remain the same way.

[reef basin]

it would make it different than the vision of [whoever came up with those numbers]

[mortal ginkgo]

You can't even properly use 1TW even if you made it, or 2TW for that matter.

So making an ultra expensive power production that you can't even fully use, is your own challenge and fault.

[feral geyser]

You guys don't sloop your constructors making Reanimated?

[mortal ginkgo]

I don't know why they are NOT doing that.

[feral geyser]

Instantly twice as much available

[mortal ginkgo]

its not like sloops are needed for anything else (aside from making 2x slug power shards and liquid biofuel"

[hard ivy]

Kinda hard to do that when 100/103 sloops available are in augmenters.

Also, for some shit, double isn't enough

[ivory condor]

True I cannot understand why the devs had to make these recipes this bad and I likely never will

[mortal ginkgo]

they are bad in your opinion but not mine.

[peak wasp]

when I unlock tier 7 soon, I'm knocking it all down and building rail
gonna be one big train set 🙂

[feral geyser]

What recipes?

[ivory condor]

Thats fair, but my opinion on this is not changing, because this is bad by any reasonable definition

[reef basin]

I'd disagree with that

[mortal ginkgo]

This is... so contradicting I don't even know what to say.

[dense violet]

are they still going on about this? wild

[mortal ginkgo]

"it is my opinion that it is bad BUT ALSO it is bad as a fact."

[ivory condor]

So you agree it should be this bad, interesting

[reef basin]

I agree it should be like it is
it's not bad

[mortal ginkgo]

Like what is so unreasonable for a recipe of ULTRA LATE GAME CHALLENGE?

It is MEANT to be ridiculous.

[nocturne orbit]

we need the stare frame but w/o the text
it's meme material 4sure

[worthy hatch]

Not reduculous enough

[mortal ginkgo]

I would say the fact that there aren't "Quantum" stuff is worrying but hey.

[ivory condor]

How is it a challenge when you can't even build anything because you run out of sam before anything else, sorry that isnt even a challenge

Pretty odd idea for what a challenge is supposed to be...

[mortal ginkgo]

The ACTUAL fact that Nuclear Power is NOT forced upon late game buildings is baffling.

Yes I know 45906845096840596840586 Fuel Gen enjoyers gonna get pitchforks but it IS the truth.

Like it or not, you guys have it so easy that you want EVERYTHING else to be easy too.

[reef basin]

you've run out of SAM by your own choice of doing unreasonable production

I'd also run out of resources if I decided to make 5m screws/min

[hard ivy]

It should be ridiculously difficult, not ridiculously bad and impossible without cheating

[mortal ginkgo]

It is really like talking to a wall with you guys.

For some INTERESTING reason, you can't comprehrend this simple fact:

"You guys are self imposing a rule that devs did not, then wonder why game's design contradicts with yours.

It's self contradictory.

There is no indication where you can use "all iron ore" "all copper ore" etc. Why should there be for uranium?"

[reef basin]

it's very much possible... in reasonable amounts

[mortal ginkgo]

Keep me blocked and don't respond to me please, you are literally a wall about this and I don't like talking about the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again with you.

[ivory condor]

Its worse than being easy, because i cannot even build anything to make it work🙃

[worthy hatch]

No no no we need “accelerated black hole quantum containment cube that powers the world to prevent the catastrophic event of that is the lizard doggo invasion.

[ivory condor]

If anything its to easy now and that I cannot say I like...

[mortal ginkgo]

How can you NOT make it work when you do NOT need to use ALL the LIMITED resources?

You are talking like it is IMPOSSIBLE to make REASONABLE amount of Fisconium Fuel Rod

[worthy hatch]

Touching grass and talking to girls pretty hard idk

[nocturne orbit]

you keep finding conflicts in factory chats?

[mortal ginkgo]

Like I don't get whats so hard to understand:

Don't use all uranium to make 2TW which you can't use anyways.

[mortal ginkgo]

Its more like finding walls to talk with and for some reason they really like to talk about this over and over again.

[ivory condor]

Because that is the case, have you actually tried making a reasonable amount of rods?

[worthy hatch]

Imagine a water extractor sifter that brings up random materials from different water locations around the map

[mortal ginkgo]

Brother, there are people who actually MANAGE to use all Uranium. Yet you don't need to.

What's so hard to NOT make 2TW of Nuclear Power and make 300GW instead?

What are you trying to power? America?

[ivory condor]

It honestly sounds like you haven't actually tried

[mortal ginkgo]

Answer the question.

[hard ivy]

Factorio has a good endgame challenge. Get to the Shattered Planet. It's both difficult and completely pointless.

Just like Ficsonium could be, if you could actually make a difficult to make amount of it

[worthy hatch]

My dreams

[mortal ginkgo]

What's the REASONABLE amount?

[dense violet]

some people think that any restriction on their 'freedom' is an attack on them I guess? You see it a lot with american Libertarians

[mortal ginkgo]

ur mom

[worthy hatch]

Infinite

[worthy hatch]

Ur bloodline

[willow glen]

You keep mentioning “all the uranium on the map” when in fact you cannot even fully ficsite a single normal node

[reef basin]

that's DLC, before that it was "just make random amount of SPM"... and kinda still is

[reef basin]

you can... if you don't use plutonium efficient recipes

[ivory condor]

Let's see here i can make a reasonable about 12 plutonium rods, so I would want to burn that and get rid of all of the waste via turning into rods

[worthy hatch]

We yearn for tower defense

[shy mulch]

There's a logical flaw in your argument here. Either everything is unlimited, or something (or everything) is limited. If things are limited, then somewhere there will be a bottleneck. You've found a bottleneck with SAM. If there was enough of it that you wanted, then something else would be the bottleneck, and you'd complain about that. The only way to have no bottlenecks is to have unlimited nodes. If that's what you want, install a mod that gives you unlimited nodes.

[mortal ginkgo]

It is amazing indeed that they can NOT grasp the fact that they are wrong.

Devs never said we can use ALL resource nodes ever.

They are trying to use ALL resource nodes.

They don't understand how map design and "options for places to replay a sandbox game" works.

[ivory condor]

And I say reasonable because that is very optimized as far as plutonium rod production goes

[dense violet]

people create their own standards and get mad when the universe isn't the same.

[hard ivy]

Have the uranium be a bottleneck for nuclear. And your PC for everything else. Just like it's been before 1.0 🤷‍♂️

I didn't see anyone complain about being limited by resources or by performance before 1.0.

If you managed to get the game to lag beyond being playable, congratulations, you won. There's nothing else to do

[worthy hatch]

We should be able to pump the waste into the environment to promote mutated creatures and new ore kinda like terraria’s hard mode

[reef basin]

I didn't see anyone complain about being limited by resources or by performance before 1.0
there was like 5 people daily doing one of the two...

[azure ermine]

I figure it's a single player game, play however you want.

[mortal ginkgo]

ok, how much burning 12 plut rods, and fisconium fuel rod makes as power?

[ivory condor]

Actually no because I wasn't arguing anything like that to begin with

[nocturne orbit]

so you are back to disrespecting people in chat, huh?

[dense violet]

I wish it was the days when people bitched about copper, or mega factories.

[ivory condor]

Not sure where your getting this idea i want things to be unlimited

[worthy hatch]

I want to make giant bases underground

[shy mulch]

So what do you actually want

[willow glen]

build the ground to be foundations above you and pretend (it’s the closest we can get)

[mortal ginkgo]

please don't try to gaslight another community with your bluesky+reddit talk of "giving no context and hope it sticks" mentality, it didn't work in DSP, it won't work here.

also this is #off-topic-general

respect server rules

[worthy hatch]

Voxel based map underneath the world map

[dense violet]

not dancing around how people are isn't 'disrespect' xD

[mortal ginkgo]

He is someone who tried to badmouth me in DSP Discord while winning all arguements as he has warm showers but not in reality. Let him be. I am not blocking him because he is not even worthy to be in that list.

[worthy hatch]

Expansions could always bring a lava biome

[hard ivy]

You can get underneath the map and build there

[worthy hatch]

I mean like techtonica

Still sad that game is no longer being supported

[heavy pine]

Finally got some basic aluminum set up and going into depot uploaders. Though it's a rather small amount, only 180 sheets/min and 120 casings/min.

[feral geyser]

That's a pretty decent count, nice work

[mortal ginkgo]

https://factoriolab.github.io/sfy/list?o=plutonium-fuel-rod*12&r=uranium-waste****250&v=11

Can you please tell me where the unreasonable part is?

Note that I am not using alt recipes etc whatsoever

(Anyone else can also tell me)

[willow glen]

I couldn’t build 180 sheets worth of belt every minute

[feral geyser]

You haven't tried 😏

[dense violet]

just stop. The answer will always be 'because I can't do any particular thing I want, and that's bad'

[heavy pine]

Which does remind me, as soon as I unlock Mk.5 belts I think I've got some stuff to upgrade.

[mortal ginkgo]

I want to have tons of trucks going around without issues too but alas. 😭

Well I guess I need to stop trying to see from their end.

[dense violet]

I mean that's very doable

just need to plan the roads and overpasses

a lot of work, but doable

[mortal ginkgo]

I hate the waypoing part of the game...

Having 5 or 6 trucks are cool but then.. eh...

[dense violet]

it's not the best. Can't think of a better way though. And recording turns slowly fixes most issuse

[mortal ginkgo]

Yeah I assume so.

I still dislike the fact that they need fuel and there is no "electric motor" in a factory game where we can have literal teleporters 😛

[reef basin]

more like "I want to play a game designed exactly to my demands and preferences and because a random game on the internet doesn't fit the criteria, it's bad and I'll tell everyone so"

[mortal ginkgo]

so I QQ

[heavy pine]

If your trucks aren't catching air with each delivery, are you even doing it right? 😄

[dense violet]

you can feed them batteries 😛

[feral geyser]

They should make path editing more capable than just re-recording the whole thing.

[mortal ginkgo]

Well I need to bring them in. With either another Truck Station or Drone Port. And I hate it that we can't limit the storage in this game.

Yes there are some "ways" but alas. It is annoying.

[dense violet]

that would be nice, not impossible either too I think.

I seem to recall the mod Micro Manage being able to move way points?

[azure ermine]

well, I'm having fun playing the game 🙂

I haven't even looked at the mods. Similar to Factorio?

[dense violet]

no idea, never got into factorio, wasn't for me.

But i do recommend going through the tiers at least once before modding

[azure ermine]

yeah the Factorio mods are mainly to make you cry. Imagine 7 processing steps to make one screw

[dense violet]

There used to be a mod for that for this gamed called SF+. Don't think it's updated to 1.0 though

but there's lots of random things

[versed plinth]

it has been

also my game just crashed

so thats fun

[heavy pine]

Here's where the game gets really interesting. And by interesting I mean complicated.

[wicked nacelle]

post the crash log image

[versed plinth]

too late it has dissappeared to the depths of my file directory

[wicked nacelle]

anyhow, if it's the out of uobject crash, that's easily fixable

[ivory condor]

Your showing plutonium rod production not FFR production?

Remember in this case i would be turning plutonium waste into rods to get rid of it

[versed plinth]

more than half the copper ingots in my BWDs is copper powder 💀

[mortal ginkgo]

I am not good at factoriolab stuff. It wasnt giving FRR numbers correct.

Can you tell me whats unreasonable about it?

[versed plinth]

12000 / minute

[versed plinth]

if it is how would i fix it

(idk that it is im just asking for in the future)

[wicked nacelle]

you edit engine.cfg and you put the stuff in there that the wiki page says to for fixing the out of uobject problem

it's a bunch of tech mumbo jumbo that goes in

[/Script/Engine.GarbageCollectionSettings]
gc.MaxObjectsInEditor=100000000
gc.MaxObjectsInGame=100000000

[versed plinth]

ah ok

[wicked nacelle]

goes in %localappdata%\FactoryGame\Saved\Config\Windows

[wicked nacelle]

do you have a pretty big factory? like whole-island kind of thing?

[versed plinth]

im almost done with the copper section of this factory

[versed plinth]

it is across the wwhole world, i have several small to medium factories

[wicked nacelle]

dunno then. usually I see this either from people that paste megaprints or have late post-story factories

[versed plinth]

#screenshots message

i may be mis-identifying the size idk

the one im working on currently is definitely what would be classified as "large" tho

(upper-right)

my crashes are basically a once a week thing tbh

if even that frequently. ive only had i think either 3 or 4 total

my game definitely does not like saving tho i will say that

it has a good 5 second stutter every autosave

ok 5 seconds is hyperbole. its more 0.5 - 1 second. depends what im doing tbh

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, you could be running out of uobjects. If it seems like it happens every few hours or so, then add that text in there and see if it gets better. Also one of the first lines in the crash says something like "uobjects exhausted" or something. haven't had a crash since I changed it

[versed plinth]

ah ok. i will try that then

[wicked nacelle]

make sure you save the file (reopen it and make sure you see the change) and then obviously restart the game, too

[versed plinth]

i add all of it right?

including the part in brackets?

[wicked nacelle]

all the lines I said at the bottom of the file

yes

you should see other similar bits in that file that are consistent in style with what I pasted

for example this bit above it maybe?
[GameNetDriver StatelessConnectHandlerComponent]
CachedClientID=2

[/Script/Engine.GarbageCollectionSettings]
gc.MaxObjectsInEditor=100000000
gc.MaxObjectsInGame=100000000

[ivory condor]

It would be easier to show on production planner. https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=RJusywqcDZ78HxKIqCDL

Points worth noting is the 100% sam usage even with 126 plutonium waste a min

And this is with optimized plutonium rod production, you can easily make more rods than these numbers

[versed plinth]

ok ill try it and we shall see

ive added it. also have you had any file corruption issues? the wiki said something about that

[wicked nacelle]

None and I have many hundreds of hours with this. Do you have at least 32gb ram? You don't want to run out of system ram and this can increase system ram demand

but anyhow, it won't corrupt your named saves so just make named saves every once in a while

[ivory condor]

Unfortunately with FFR production sam usage easily goes out of control and fast

[wicked nacelle]

other people here have this setting as well and I've not heard anyone complain about issues -- much the opposite, the crashes stop

[versed plinth]

i do indeed have 32 gb ram

[wicked nacelle]

@versed plinth there's also a mod that shows uobject use -- there's a setting to have it show all the time otherwise it only shows above a certain "warning threhshold" https://ficsit.app/mod/Th3UObjectCounter

[mortal ginkgo]

Seems so. Why are we not slooping all 2.5x sped up constructors to get more than double SAM?

[wicked nacelle]

You don't get "more than" double sam, just double

unless you're comparing to 100% miners.. but that's silly

[mortal ginkgo]

ah yes my mistake.

still, double Sam why not?

this is still not unreachable

[wicked nacelle]

well, I do that. But the "why not" is because for some builds you're better off slooping downstream instead. but not for ficsonium

[ivory condor]

And yet every time this is discussed everyone is like this is all fine, meanwhile 100% sam usage even at 126 plutonium waste🙃

[wicked nacelle]

for max sink point build you don't sloop sam, you just sloop BWD's

[versed plinth]

im only at 880k objects

[mortal ginkgo]

ok but can I ask how much power this makes?

[versed plinth]

well 900k

[wicked nacelle]

it spikes up -- for some reason hitting "e" on a machine spikes it like 10k each time you do it.

if it doesn't crash, it will eventually garbage collect them and go back down... but if you bump over the limit it will just crash right away

if you just spam 'e' on a machine you can easily add a million

[versed plinth]

quite possible that in a 3 hour session it would keep climbing then

[mortal ginkgo]

this is 50% Sam usage if slooped. 34 or so sloops are fine to make such a massive project

still not unreasonable and this is still ulrra massive power when combined with uranium fuel rod

anywau imma sleep.

[shrewd palm]

how exactly does sam usage scale

[wicked nacelle]

1:1 with usage 😛

[shrewd palm]

if you're making fisconium it uses like all of it, but if you're just making space elevator parts it doesnt use nearly as much right

[wicked nacelle]

You can make 160 BWD/m - which is basically 2 coupons/m

that includes all the sloops necessary to double the base 80/m rate

[ivory condor]

Would be 126 nuclear plants i believe?

[wicked nacelle]

at 250%?

[mortal ginkgo]

thats good power.. a lot of power..

anyway, at least we concluded it is not unreachable.

Imma slep. Bai.

[limpid cairn]

Guys what do you guys usually go into in the mercenary tree

Like faster upload or more item stacks

[wicked nacelle]

"mercenary tree
"?

[limpid cairn]

Mam

[void cliff]

Do others typically abuse the DD for project parts? I.e. pulling parts from three or four different factories, putting them into containers to a fabricator making project parts?

[limpid cairn]

mercenary sphere

[wicked nacelle]

mercer 🙂

[limpid cairn]

Oh

I had it wrong in my head

[wicked nacelle]

I probably keep them about even since lower tier upgrades are cheaper

so I go with the cheaper option which keeps them within 1 of each other

[limpid cairn]

Okay

But realistically upgrading the faster upload speed is better for most resources no?

[wicked nacelle]

I'd say upload rate is better

though you'll still want to put multiple uploaders for things like concrete.

[void cliff]

I typically alternate because of the exponential costs - upload rate first, then storage capacity

[wicked nacelle]

unless you have a blueprint that needs more than a full stack of an item type -- or however many stacks your current level is.

[ivory condor]

It scales at 80.9 sam ore per plutonium waste

[shrewd palm]

good lord

[limpid cairn]

Had no issue yet with concrete

[wicked nacelle]

you will 🙂 When you start zooping out huge factory foundation levels

[limpid cairn]

Maybe when I do good looking builds yeah

But I’m horrible at building 🙏

[wicked nacelle]

it doesn't take much creativity to want a big rectangle of foundations to build on though

[limpid cairn]

True

Idk one day ill run into the issue

I probably have to upgrade my concrete factory first tho 😔

[shrewd palm]

im using 3 nodes in the grassy fields and thats been enough to fund the paving of the rocky desert

usually by the time i need more i have a storage container filled up

[ivory condor]

Well

[shrewd palm]

good thing i dont plan on doing that

[ivory condor]

There are reasons why I havent done FFRs

[storm talon]

Is there a mod that lets you change the paint/color on your whole factory

[frail sleet]

the game supports that functionality natively

[storm talon]

Where is the option to do so

[frail sleet]

change the color on the swatch that they're using

[storm talon]

Aaaaahhh

[split pewter]

this worked so well i now have 29 things hooked up to the dd

[daring pawn]

nobody ever told me building 200 fuel generators would take so longgg

[boreal musk]

use blueprint, place 4 at once

[daring pawn]

i am

i have been

[shrewd palm]

does anyone else have lower performance around refineries or is it just me

[boreal musk]

i do have lower performance when im near 400 refineries or so

[shrewd palm]

ok thats about the same amount i have in this factory

but the game doesnt slow down around the other machines

as much anyways

[split pewter]

probably animations

refinery barely has one though

[shrewd palm]

i am really afraid for when i boot up this nuclear plant

max 30fps and i dont even have anything running

might have to get a new cpu just to be able to run the damn thing

[astral knoll]

Is there a way to import/use my blueprints while playing in a friends world? (Not a server)

[dense violet]

have them put the BP into their save game folder

[feral geyser]

Yeah, you can get your blueprints somewhere in the localappdata folder and send em around

[peak wasp]

the next person to talk is the next person to talk

[spark sky]

On a power switch, does it matter which is the input and which is the output?

[atomic notch]

Dam he was right

[peak wasp]

so many things to unlock 🙂

[boreal musk]

A is main, B is the grid you want to isolate

[acoustic heart]

How do you change the ammo your rifle uses?

[limpid cairn]

Unlock nobilisks

[limpid cairn]

Hold r

[acoustic heart]

Question... I just completed phase 5.. will i be able to continue my save after I do the launch sequence?

[boreal musk]

yes

[gritty sleet]

It'd be neat if an eventual DLC involved jumping into the void and ending up in a giant underground cavern. Thinking of The Riftbreaker's second DLC or something like that.

[spark sky]

I'm building a power substation BP similar to one I saw in a video, but I thought, being a substation, it ought to have a switch.

[boreal musk]

an actual underground expansion would be neat to see, and multi layered map system update

finding those cave entrance isnt the most fun i had when exploring

[acoustic heart]

Well.. I beat satisfactory. 10/10 game

[flat zinc]

@split pewter thats for signs and what i meant by that is that quartz is not needed to make the part

[split pewter]

fair

[daring pawn]

i just realized my factory idea includes the construction of 240 constructors

as well as 66 assemblers and 35 manufacturers

im so cooked oml

[latent prawn]

that's not awful

[limpid cairn]

That’s nothing😂

[waxen gulch]

i put up 80 hours in my first 2 weeks, this game is like crack

[halcyon dawn]

it is

[waxen gulch]

full time job

[peak wasp]

Did already. Fun

[halcyon dawn]

just wait till you find some fun mods

[limpid cairn]

Mods 🤮

[limpid cairn]

Craft cluster nobilisk now

[halcyon dawn]

im currently playing with the constant space elevator resources mod

game is kinda easy when you can just setup a tiny factory with a ton of sommersloops for 30 minutes to finish a phase

and just fill it with materiels youve already automated

[dense violet]

duping mechanics are rather silly it's true

[daring pawn]

this is before uranium

im only in tier 6 right now this is the largest thing ive ever built

[halcyon dawn]

yeah i beat the game without building a factory that big

my closest thing was my fuel power plant with uh

im getting on my save to find out :P

[earnest oak]

where is a good building location near -1700, -300

[halcyon dawn]

what for? a mega base?

[dense violet]

depends what you need to build

[acoustic heart]

What’s the fastest way to grind tickets?

[earnest oak]

well im like new so i just need a starter base ish

[dense violet]

just sink whatever you have extra

[halcyon dawn]

space elevator parts do pretty good

[dense violet]

pick a spot with the basic resources. copper iron limestone

[feral geyser]

Alien hunting, sloop both steps of DNA capsules

[earnest oak]

well im not like new just need somewhere open to start building stuff like part 2 of the space thing

[halcyon dawn]

yeah also put an overflow at the end of factorys that might fill up for a sink

[dense violet]

"pick a spot with the basic resources. copper iron limestone"

[earnest oak]

i just hit the steel milestone

[halcyon dawn]

everywhere

[dense violet]

Use SCIM if you want to scout it out. But yeah the spots are everywhere

[earnest oak]

any like straight up recomendations i dont wanna travel too far

[dense violet]

any starting zone

I also have no idea where those co ordinates are

[dense violet]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map#2;50302;0|gameLayer|bauxiteImpure;bauxitePure;bauxiteNormal;oilImpure;oilNormal;oilPure;ironImpure;copperImpure;copperNormal;ironPure;copperPure;ironNormal;coalImpure;coalNormal;coalPure;quartzPure;quartzNormal

[earnest oak]

i think its the 2nd starting zone

[dense violet]

look at this map

[halcyon dawn]

thats cool i loaded into one of my saves with some missing mods and some milestones corrupted

[earnest oak]

idrk what im looking for

[dense violet]

that shouldn't at all be surprising

[halcyon dawn]

im on the opposite side of the map without the ability of trains or building a hyper tyube launcher

[dense violet]

as mentioned 2 times before

copper iron limestone

[halcyon dawn]

oh wow

[earnest oak]

well im like past that stage

[halcyon dawn]

i was tier 9, i only have mk 2 belts

[earnest oak]

i alr have 2+ fulll chests of rods and stuff

[dense violet]

You've been very vague this whole time. Starter factory can mean a lot of things. Mostly with iron copper and limestone

[earnest oak]

im on steel

[dense violet]

so pick a spot with iron and coal

the map will show you whatever resources yo utick

[earnest oak]

ive only been playing for 20ish hours i really dk what im lookng for man

[dense violet]

I just told you iron and coal

[earnest oak]

well i have iron and coal where i am rn

[dense violet]

sounds liek a good spot then

[sour epoch]

Do factories generally use more plastic or rubber?

[halcyon dawn]

they dont use alot of either but maybe plastic?

[shadow bolt]

do you lose researching hard drives when you go offline?

[dense violet]

depends on what recipes and items you're making

[feral geyser]

Depends on what you're making

[sour epoch]

Just deciding whether I should go 4 plastic + 4 rubber refineries, or 5+3

[boreal musk]

heavily depends on the recipe you choose

[feral geyser]

No

[dense violet]

but early on, without alts? probably plastic, if you're just going up the tiers

[peak wasp]

On my list

I'm laying in bed with one of my cats, waiting for phase 3 to complete

[sour epoch]

Thanks, this is what I was looking for 🙂

[earnest oak]

on the scim map i am -167,775 / -36275 thats my current location

[halcyon dawn]

ohhhh i know what happened

[outer moss]

hello

[limpid cairn]

Explain your cat on how to craft resources while you’re not playing

[halcyon dawn]

to my game

[limpid cairn]

Gotta maximise efficiency

[boreal musk]

tell the cat to not approach any cats in the caves

[outer moss]

Satisfactory and Factorio players are different breeds of the same species

[dense violet]

if you have a sink for the waste product yo ucan also swap between plastic and rubber pretty easily since the waste is processed the same way, just in slightly dif amounts

[viscid bobcat]

do manifolds work if your input is alot less than the conveyor speed?

[halcyon dawn]

yay i fixed my world

[dense violet]

sure

[dense violet]

only 2 things manifolds cares about

1. enough parts per min for the system
2. enough throughput

[feral geyser]

I avoid straight-through manifolds whenever possible, always try to split by threes and feed big groups with tree systems of splitting

[viscid bobcat]

what does throughput mean

[dense violet]

a mk1 belt has a 60 parts per min (ppm) throughput

for example

[viscid bobcat]

oh i get what u mean

so if i exceed the through put the manifold wont work

but it doesnt care if I have less than the throughput

[dense violet]

well if you exceed throughput anywhere the system won't work

if you need 700 fluid pm in a system with a pipe that can only move 600, you'll be missing at least 100 fluid pm

[viscid bobcat]

but I would have to manually let the manifold clog up before starting the system right

[dense violet]

nope. It'll spin up over time

fire and forget

[viscid bobcat]

are you sure? I have a line of 15 constructors that support a manifold of 13 constructors and so on

[dense violet]

yup

[dense violet]

the bigger the manifold and the higher the stack size of item, the longer it'll take though

like manifolds with screws and wires take a while

[viscid bobcat]

wouldnt it be quicker to just clog all the belts

and then just fire up everything at once

[feral geyser]

Sure

[wicked nacelle]

not if you care about getting things made.

[feral geyser]

Thats the equivalent of filling your pipes before using them.

[dense violet]

machines don't accept inputs if turned off. So really it's a much of a muchness

and you can let it spin up as you go do something else

[wicked nacelle]

think about why you think you care about what you're caring about and if it matters

just let it do its thing and go build something else

[halcyon dawn]

i like to do this one

[wicked nacelle]

by the time you come back it'll be purring along with no additional effort on your part

(and items don't slosh)

[shadow bolt]

satisfactory caluclator says i collected 49 Hard drives but i have only 14 alternative recipies

[wicked nacelle]

did you scan them?

[dense violet]

have you processed all of them?

[wicked nacelle]

if so then they're in your library

[shadow bolt]

i am thinking i am losing my hard drives when my game crashes

[wicked nacelle]

no

[shadow bolt]

cause i just crashed and my hard drive is just gone

[worthy hatch]

Buy them

[dense violet]

are you getting a new body when you log back in?

[wicked nacelle]

it reloads your previous save. It doesn't save as you crash or something weird

[shadow bolt]

theres neither new recipie or my hardrive

[halcyon dawn]

i forgot this is a thing

[shadow bolt]

buy them?

[wicked nacelle]

late game you can buy them for 100 coupons

[halcyon dawn]

in the awesome shop for 100 coupons

[dense violet]

100 coupons its. It's not really feasible

[worthy hatch]

Coupon

[shadow bolt]

the coupons get harder with time right?

[feral geyser]

Worst deal ever

[halcyon dawn]

not really

like one needs a tier 9 item but thats it

[dense violet]

each coupon literally costs more than the last, it piles up fast

[halcyon dawn]

oh thats what they meant

[feral geyser]

Standard tickets are exponentially harder, DNA tickets are linearly harder

[worthy hatch]

Nah not when you have 50 supercomputer per min going in sink

[shadow bolt]

i need a million point for next coupon D:

[halcyon dawn]

why not 60?

1/s

[worthy hatch]

Because I need to touch grass

[feral geyser]

Yeah, @worthy hatch , you slackin

[shadow bolt]

wait hold on

[feral geyser]

Get those last 10

[shadow bolt]

what does this mean

[worthy hatch]

Fine I’ll sombersloop

[halcyon dawn]

yay!!

[worthy hatch]

death

[earnest oak]

is there any way to destroy the rock gasy things early game?

[dense violet]

bombs

[feral geyser]

I actually misspoke, it's not quite exponentially. But basically the difference in cost between one ticket and the next also keeps growing. (1,2,4,7,11,16, etc, for example)

[shadow bolt]

fair enough

[wicked nacelle]

yeah you can get nobelisks pretty quick if you focus on it. need steel but beyond that it's pretty early

[feral geyser]

Explosive rebar or nobs

[wicked nacelle]

exponentiually doesn't mean fast it means exponentially. Pretty sure it is exponentially

[earnest oak]

and how do i unlock them?

[wicked nacelle]

sulfur mam tree

[feral geyser]

No, it's a cubic function (approximately) last i saw, not an exponential, but yes I know the difference

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch awesome_sink

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=awesome_sink

[wicked nacelle]

it's in there if anyone wants the actual formula

[upbeat rain]

Is there a way to use auto connection of bluebrints with a power cable between them?

[wicked nacelle]

no, it would be insane spider web if it did

[shadow bolt]

whats the best item for this in terms of DNA tickets

[wicked nacelle]

They're all the same

[shadow bolt]

noted

[wicked nacelle]

it's just two extra clicks. NBD

[feral geyser]

DNA points are only awarded by DNA capsules, nothing else

They are the same tickets, but the points are tracked separately

[wicked nacelle]

but do make sure to double-sloop them

[shadow bolt]

right

[feral geyser]

Yes, always use a constructor for both steps, get quadruple.

[shadow bolt]

aight on my way to search hard drives and slaugher all monsters i find

[feral geyser]

You got rifle/ammo?

[shadow bolt]

i got it JUST now xd

[feral geyser]

Godspeed, my friend 🫡

[shadow bolt]

also about hard drives, i cant get the recipies that i have not picked yet right

like i have 12 recipes i didnt like. someone told me to just leave them so they dont reroll on new drives

[feral geyser]

Yes, if they are already in the library, they won't show up again

[wicked nacelle]

yes, leave recipes in your library until you want them -- that maximizes the number of recipes you'll see. The only time to grab something now vs later is if you get a hdd with two recipes you know you want (like recycled plastic and recycled rubber on the same HDD)

[shadow bolt]

ye

[wicked nacelle]

best hard drive you can get is biocoal and charcoal together 🙂

[shadow bolt]

i got wet concrete, but i dont need it right now, so i left it for now

[wicked nacelle]

because then you'll never see them ever again 🙂

[shadow bolt]

wait what

i have no clue what recipies are good/bad

[wicked nacelle]

if it says "pure <ore type>" grab it. if it says "recycled" grab it. if it says diluted grab it. If it says "heavy oil residue" grab it. Everything else ... whatever 🙂

There's lots of good recipes when you want what it does, but the ones I listed are always good

[shadow bolt]

yea

solid steel is by far the best recipie i have found

[wicked nacelle]

solid steel is... solid

[feral geyser]

Really good one to get early on

As well as steel screws.

[halcyon dawn]

SCREWS????

[wicked nacelle]

screws are fine if you make them on demand

just don't try to belt them all in

[halcyon dawn]

i love how its possible to avoid screws entirely (except for the awesome shop </3)

[feral geyser]

But honestly, any recipe that eliminates screws from the process is preferred.

Although I do love me some aluminum screws

[shadow bolt]

is there any excell sheet or something

with all good recipies and amount of resources needed to farm for endgame stuff

[wicked nacelle]

other than the ones I told you they are all situational.

[shadow bolt]

cause i am producing 6.7k steel ingots per min

and i have no idea if its worth it or not

[halcyon dawn]

what are we doing with those?

[wicked nacelle]

you just get the ones that help you with the problem you're trying to solve

[shadow bolt]

currently all going into sink

[halcyon dawn]

😭

[wicked nacelle]

There are very few awful recipes

[halcyon dawn]

satisfactory needs to step up its game the world has figured out how to make steel without coal

[feral geyser]

There are alts that dont use coal

[shadow bolt]

i have source of crude oil

idk what to do with it xd

[boreal musk]

leave until you need it

[limpid cairn]

Biocoal is actually a good alternative recipe

[wicked nacelle]

uh huh. ok trollerific

[limpid cairn]

Im taking this take to my grave 🙏🙏🙏

A part of my factory is running on that recipe

[dense violet]

how else are you supposed to to turn Pigs into Uranium rods?

[shadow bolt]

these nuclear hogs take 2 decades to despawn

[empty lantern]

yallow

[exotic pilot]

My back

[vale grotto]

Turn it directly into circuit boards

[dense violet]

generally make a plan for a product and then go looking for resources

[brave stratus]

how do i join my freind on steam the new way is so convoluted

[abstract heron]

i think the #announcements might be console relase date OR 1.2?

[cursive crane]

Most likely console

[wary perch]

Wouldn’t it be cool if you could have a yellow colored cup and maybe peach juice in it which could be customized via a vending machine

[brave stratus]

why is there an extgra step in joining a session

[cursive crane]

Because

[shy mulch]

Well I was up late last night building a new 3240/min concrete factory then realised there's only room for 1 output belt. So unless mk6 belts are suddenly able to transport 3x as much as normal, I guess I'm tearing that down and redoing it today 😂

[dense violet]

clipe more belts?

[shy mulch]

The way it's designed, adding more belts will make it very messy. It's not that big ill just zap and rebuild a bit differently

[boreal musk]

id rather rebuild than clipping belts

[molten lintel]

#screenshots message
opinions?

[boreal musk]

prob another reason why logistic floor is a good choice

[peak wasp]

real

[viscid bobcat]

if satisfactory calculator says I need 4.5 constructors, can I just substitute it with 5?

[shy mulch]

For large builds I always use a logistic floor, but this is a pretty small single recipe thing, jammed in between 2 train stations

[peak wasp]

my next rebuild will have logistics floors between, but smaller

[boreal musk]

4 constructor at 100% and and 1 at 50%

[viscid bobcat]

dont got clocking yet

[molten lintel]

or 5 at 90%

[molten lintel]

then yah go 5 and ajust when u get clocking

[shy mulch]

If you can't under/over clock yet, then just use 5, they'll run at a bit reduced efficiency and still produce the output you want

[viscid bobcat]

ok ok, resources will auto fill anyway so the output should be the same right?

[molten lintel]

ye

[viscid bobcat]

ok

[boreal musk]

as long as youre not using overflow system, those machines will producing as many as intended

[viscid bobcat]

whats an overflow system

[molten lintel]

it needs smart spliters

[shy mulch]

A system that manages overflow?

[molten lintel]

#screenshots message

second layer on the splitter modual

[viscid bobcat]

not at that point yet, i have no idea what smart splitters are, Im guessing they split very smartly

[molten lintel]

i always use them mid-game when im building my sorting hall to filter individual items into containers

[boreal musk]

for example i have 5/min rotor, 2/min goes to smart plating but i split them into 2,so both ways split 2.5 each

therefore the smart plating will receive more than it needs and clog the belt, which overflow to the next belt and gives me 3/min

[viscid bobcat]

thats awesome man

would really help if I had that for my factory

I wouldnt be creating 15 rows of splitters and mergers

[boreal musk]

you can also call that manifold as well

smart splitter is rarely needed unless youre doing complex manifold system

[inland hazel]

me with smart splitters all over my factory

i dont use manifolds 🚮

at least i try not to

[boreal musk]

load balancing is fun, but i just use manifold when the numbers are just too much for balancing

youre not gonna see me splitting decimals

[inland hazel]

we need stupid splitters in update 1.2.1

[viscid bobcat]

I cant even tell if im tired or tired of satisfactory

why is this game so hard

how do you guys make it past phase 3??

how are people still sane after completing this game?

[hallow flicker]

<@&370483737957236737> are y’all announcing the return of functional internet multiplayer to Satisfactory at Gamescom today?

[boreal musk]

bold of you to assume ppl are still sane enough

[dense violet]

? unless you're load balancing, using smart splitters is still a manifold

[boreal musk]

my tip is just dont play too much each session

just complete small goal each time you play

[inland hazel]

i gave up trying to automate adaptive control units

[viscid bobcat]

ive played like 8 hours today

[boreal musk]

i only play like 2-3hrs per day, so i never really burnout

[viscid bobcat]

i dont even think this is healthy

[inland hazel]

like even if i just use them to handle overflows?

[inland hazel]

we've all been there

[shy mulch]

My head isn't working this morning. Anyone wanna solve a problem for me?
I've got 3 belts carrying 1080/min each and need to evenly split that into 4 lines of 810/min
Obviously can't just merge them all then a simple 1:4 split because the middle of the system would be overloaded. I don't like loopbacks because I think they look messy. My plan is to split each of the 1080 lines into 4 lines of 270 then merge 3x270 into 810. That's a lot of mergers and splitters in a small space. Is there a more efficient way to do it that I'm overlooking?

[dense violet]

like I said, if you're not having consistent flow aka, load balancing, you're using manifolds

you said you use smart splitters everywhere and that's not a feature of load balancing in general

[inland hazel]

damn

nuking my factory right now then

[dense violet]

shrug anything not strictly a laod balancer, is a manifold

[shy mulch]

Does that mean my breakfast is a manifold 😁

[leaden turret]

you're a manifold, harry

[leaden turret]

is a bicycle a load balancer? 🤔

[true mulch]

Split each of 3x1080 in half, resulting in 6x540. Split 2x540 in half to get 4x270. Merge 4 sets of 540 and 270

Next time group your machines so that you get 810 straight away

[boreal musk]

or just use smart splitter and prioritized 4 mk3 belts

set to any and overflow

if you want 810/min, thats just 3 mk3 belts merged into one line

[true mulch]

Oh yeah that works too

My solution uses 8, this uses 4

[shy mulch]

That's exactly what my plan was. There's 18 machines and I want it all nice and asymmetrical so having 4 equal outputs directly from the machines isn't possible

[true mulch]

It is possible. Underclocking

Any ratio splitting balancer nonsense can be avoided just by clocking the machines right in the previous step

[shy mulch]

If I underclock then I have to make more machines. Then they won't pair nicely with the input. Input and output aren't neat factors of each other so one side will be a bit of a jumble. That only moves the jumble from the output to the input

[true mulch]

You make more machines but save more space than building a balancer

[cursive totem]

is there an updated pipeline/fluid guide? i still have one but its last update was 2022 ( https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/satisfactory_gamepedia_en/images/3/39/Pipeline_Manual.pdf )

[shy mulch]

But then I'd need a balancer on the input side. So it just moves the problem rather than solves it

[true mulch]

Search it up on the new wiki, stop using Fandom entirely

[austere lichen]

Mk2 belt is 270 items right?

[boreal musk]

mk3

mk2 is 120

[true mulch]

"File:Pipeline Guide.pdf" (I don't have a link handy)

[cursive totem]

ah nice thanks ( https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/File:Pipeline_Manual.pdf )

alright its the same lol

[boreal musk]

im pretty sure theres a pipe manual in #math-and-meta pin

[austere lichen]

Ah right, so splitter and 1 mk3 belt per 1080. Merge the 3x mk3

[spice patio]

Same one, as there haven't been real changes so it hasn't needed to be changed.

[cursive totem]

good as well then

[shy mulch]

Hmmm interesting idea. Would work but might get messy. I'll have a play around with that plan later and see if I can do it without making it all messy 😎

[austere lichen]

It's the simplest way I think

Using the mk3 belt max as a throttle

From a splitter

[boreal musk]

lower belt tier is your best throughput limiter 😛

[austere lichen]

Yeeep

It's also why I still use alot of mk1 if the constructor/assembler/manufacturer doesn't require anything above 60 input. Your manifold will fill more equally from the start

Fastest belt in the main manifold line, branches equal to the input required

[shy mulch]

So I'll feed each 1080 line into a smart splitter with a mk3 as main output and a mk6 on overflow. Then just merge the 3x mk3 as the 4th line. Sounds perfect if I can make it look neat. Might have to stick a logistics floor under it as space is a bit restricted where I am

[austere lichen]

It should only be 4 mergers wide in the end

[shy mulch]

Yeah there's not even space for 1 lol. I'm either building up or building down regardless of what I do

[austere lichen]

How does the situation look like lol

What space are you working with

[shy mulch]

It's in between 2 train stations that I can't be bothered to move

[austere lichen]

Is there space on top of the station?

I have used that space before as a buffer in between loading

[shy mulch]

Yes, but that would look messy. I'd rather build down than build up. Hence I said I'd do a logistics floor

Any time I put buffers on station inputs/outputs I usually put them below the station. I think it looks neater

[austere lichen]

Then put that underneath lol

[shy mulch]

That's what I'm going to do 😛

[fluid sapphire]

anyone know off the top of their head what the height of a refinery is, including the smokestack when its working?

[austere lichen]

21m according to wiki

[fluid sapphire]

i did some measuring already, sure seemed a lot taller to me

measured to be about 40m

[fossil ice]

Official Satisfactory Wiki

This is the totally awesome community driven wiki for Satisfactory!! Come on in and check it out!
<3 @austere lichen

[austere lichen]

Anyways, I checked again, dimensions are 20x10x31

[fluid sapphire]

sure, but thats not including the smokestack, i am planning the height of a ceiling, and i dont want the smoke to clip

but ya i remembered i actually had some refineries pretty close by

[austere lichen]

Okay, good luck with that then 👍

[boreal musk]

for refinery floor, i always build a 40m foundation tall for them

no smoke clipping

[hybrid nymph]

This is my third playthrough of the game. I literally played the game for 8 hours today. And you know what? it was time well spent. I just hooked up my oil plant today. I just got to tier 7, And I just completed the space elevator delivery. I'm running my fuel generators off of turbo fuel, fully overclocked. Turbofuel is 3 times more efficient than standard fuel. Fully overclocked, a fuel generator only burns 18.75 m^3 of turbofuel a minute, as compared to 50 m^3 per minute. I'm finally producing plastic and rubber at a good pace.

I can't wait to get the nuclear reactor. That's going to be so much better than those stupid fuel generators

[fluid sapphire]

i actually already had the ceiling 40m tall, i just thought for my own sanity, better check, it was the zipper type belts in the middle with the refineries that i was concerned about ehehehe

#screenshots message

[fluid sapphire]

not me with my 1000 generators

[hybrid nymph]

Don't know how you have that many since there's limited oil supplies, but cool I guess

[dense violet]

rocket fuel.

it's... pretty dumb.

[hybrid nymph]

Oh 😮

[fluid sapphire]

its hilarious.. and hilariously easy

[dense violet]

1000 generators is just awful

[hybrid nymph]

I can't imagine the lag

[fluid sapphire]

people keep saying that, but i dont see whats so awful about it

[dense violet]

and the hideous scenery

[hybrid nymph]

I put down 30 coal generators, and keep in mind I have an RTX 3070, and a Ryzen 7 5800X, And I run the game at 1440p, I normally get 120 FPS, my frames went down to like 37

[fluid sapphire]

i have like 40fps there

[dense violet]

You might need to clean up your PC if it's hit that bad. I do much better with my 3070 in more heavily built areas

[dapper breach]

God.. I create a new game which can only build ConveyorBeltMk.3 now, but I made my MinerMk.2 work on 250%, then calculated based on a production rate of 600 iron ore per minute......😭

[hybrid nymph]

I really can't wait for conveyor belt Mk5

I'm getting tired of those stupid Mark 4 conveyor belts

I just have no idea how I even used to function by using anything slower than a Mark 4 conveyor belt

Remember when we thought Mark 3 conveyor belts were so good? Lol 😆 those were the days

[fluid sapphire]

i made myself a supply of 30 ISCs of aluminum sheets so i could make everything with mk5 belts, then deleted my whole map, lo and behold i run out of sheets while building my aluminum factory

[hybrid nymph]

I love choo choos

They are my favorite vehicle in the game

[fluid sapphire]

hell yeah, trains are the best

[hybrid nymph]

Except I have a problem. I do not know how to make the stupid block and past signals work. I tried for 2 hours and could not figure it out It makes no goddamn sense 😣

[fluid sapphire]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Train_Signals

[reef basin]

it makes perfect sense.

if you have issues, make #1038092680493801533 thread with images (preferably with colors enabled)

[hybrid nymph]

Honestly, I kind of just want one of you guys to hop into my game tomorrow and just do it for me

I've already read the wiki article and watched YouTube videos

Makes no sense

[dapper breach]

I'm using Mk.3 and when I built all of them and found this crazy problem, I was forced to shutdown most of the mechines😭

I told my friends about it, and they were about to laugh their heads off

[fluid sapphire]

you will want to figure it out, you cant have someone hop on every time you need to build some rail

[hybrid nymph]

I'm honestly thinking of just using a single train to do everything

I mean I only have three stops, so it wouldn't be that big of a deal to just use a single train

Actually scratch that I have four stops

[fluid sapphire]

well, what if you want more later

it takes some time and experimenting to really understand signals, but its worth it

[hybrid nymph]

Oh huh...good point. When I get into nuclear power I am going to have to either put the nuclear reactor right next to the uranium or I'm going to have to deliver the uranium by train

[fluid sapphire]

generally just divide your rail into blocks longer than your longest train

for intersections you can do path on entry, block on exit

[hybrid nymph]

My train only has four cars on it

4 cargo and 2 engines so it can move both directions

[fluid sapphire]

then place blocks everywhere along your rail with that distance in mind

strongly encourage you to design a 2 way rail system

[hybrid nymph]

Because I was reading the wiki and It said that four cars is The maximum you can put on a train before it affects its speed

[fluid sapphire]

4 cars per locomotive

[hybrid nymph]

Oh 😮

[fluid sapphire]

you can have super long trains, you just need more engines to pull it

[hybrid nymph]

Oh you can put multiple locomotives on longer trains? I did not know that huh

I thought you could only put one locomotive on each side

This is new news to me

[fluid sapphire]

most of my trains have 8 cars

but i know people do more too

it can help make trips less frequent

so less traffic on your rail

[hybrid nymph]

One thing that I think is really stupid is how slow assemblers and manufacturers are at producing modular frames... Why does it have to be so goddamn slow?

[fluid sapphire]

its fine, stick it out and just build bigger later

[uncut trail]

guys ive got 18 fuel generator action going on so should i ditch all my coal generators and use those coals for steel or keep em

[fluid sapphire]

its still extra power, could come in handy

[dense violet]

if you want? generally I put my coal gens far away so it's not convenient for steel

[uncut trail]

huh maybe i could do that

[hybrid nymph]

I have two coal plants. I use one for making compacted coal for my turbofuel and I use the other for making coal for the steel and for my coal generators. I know it's stupid to keep the coal generators once I have fuel generators but I don't like undoing work I've already done

[dense violet]

no reason to dissasemble them really

[lost wagon]

The crater lake nas nothing but coal in a big radius, so there is nothing other than coal gens to do there

[austere lichen]

Im about to delete the first coal plant because I need the coal for production nearby. Meanwhile the power production of that small plant has been superceded by the oil into fuel burning

[uncut trail]

yea same

im generating around 7500mw+ power at the end of phase 3

[hybrid nymph]

Really? I'm only generating about 3,000 megawatts right now. I really need to set up some more fuel generators

First I must get sufficient plastic and rubber though. That is tomorrow's priority

[uncut trail]

I have my generators on far right side from the start, theres big lake and lot of oil nodes as well as coal nearby

[austere lichen]

Yeah I'm on double that. Plus I have a bigger coal plant with 48 coal gens. The one im about to delete was the very first (unfinished) coal plant near the starting area

[uncut trail]

im producing around 440l of fuel a minute if im not mistaken and have 18 generators

[uncut trail]

you don gotta flex on me dawg ✌🏻

[austere lichen]

Hahahaha not intentional, long live turbofuel

[uncut trail]

im taking all my coal generators very far away where there is coal bcs i need coal nearby for steel

[austere lichen]

Im gonna abuse the coke steel recipe more so i dont have to use regular coal as much in some locations

[uncut trail]

bro i NEED that recipe but its not giving me

its 3 water extractors and 240 coal for 8 coal generators right

[austere lichen]

Keep the recipes you dont want in the MAM so they dont come back in a new scan

Umm yeah i believe so

[uncut trail]

ty

[austere lichen]

Each gen burns 15 coal, so with 240 you should be on 16

With 6 water extractors

Double water lines per 8 because of mk1 pipe limits

@uncut trail

[uncut trail]

oh yea i realised now

its 120 for 8 bcs back then i used mk1 miners on pure

i found nice spot not too far with big body of water and 3 pure nodes

[peak wasp]

evening, pioneers

[hybrid nymph]

The only thing that's annoying about coal generators is they require water. And it is a pain in the ass to get enough water for the generators which is why I hate using them. But in all honesty I might just turn Crater Lake into a coal generator factory. Plenty of coal and water there

[wise tartan]

Easy solution, pee in the generators

[dense violet]

Why not just build them next to the water?

[hybrid nymph]

Evening. We've got a female Ficsit pioneer here. Just like the pioneers in game

[hybrid nymph]

I always build the coal generators right next to the coal because I don't like using trucks or trains to deliver the coal

[fluid sapphire]

just use conveyors

[dense violet]

Sure but there’s tons of coal right next to water

More than not

[wise tartan]

Your name is tempting for me

[hybrid nymph]

I don't know about you, but I hate trucks and tractors. They're a pain in the ass to program, They easily glitch out, and they're super slow

The trucks are the most glitchy thing in the entire game

[dense violet]

I do like to talk about curved design

[wise tartan]

No i mean your username

You have cobalt in your name

[dense violet]

This isn’t U4 trucks are fine

But again, coal right next to water. Don’t need trucks

[hybrid nymph]

I really need to find Crater Lake

[peak wasp]

2012/2500 versatile framework almost there >_<

[visual cosmos]

Using sloop?

[dense violet]

a fan of moderately toxic metal or the colour blue?

[hybrid nymph]

What's tier are you on @peak wasp

[wise tartan]

No the metal itself

I built my entire fic nation about cobalt

[peak wasp]

nope

[wise tartan]

I cannot resist the seeing cobalt

[visual cosmos]

E

[peak wasp]

about to unlock tier 7 phase 3

[visual cosmos]

It technically reduces the amount needed from 2.5k to 1.25k

[peak wasp]

WTF

[visual cosmos]

Well yeah it doubles the output

[peak wasp]

i have one

where do i put it

[visual cosmos]

So you need half the input for the same output

Need more than one

One would be x1.5 output

[lost wagon]

If it's automated you don't really need sloop, just leave it doing its thing

[peak wasp]

_<

where do i put da sloop 🤌

[austere lichen]

If you have it researched in the mam

Alien tech tree

On the right side iirc, it will open a slot like overclocking on the machines to put the sloops

[peak wasp]

ohh

[dense violet]

they are very limited in resource

[peak wasp]

no SAM yet

[austere lichen]

Yes. But you can always take them out if you don't need them there

Gotta look for Sam then

Very much worth it that tree

[hybrid nymph]

You search it in the MAM, It doubles the machine output of any machine it's installed in but it quadruples the power consumption. It does this so it's not busted

[noble stratus]

i unlocked trains for the first time in a world since i got SF in 2020 🤩
CHOO CHOO ...!

[hybrid nymph]

There is a SAM resource node right near the planes biom start point.

[austere lichen]

I love trains

Im going way overboard on my design of the tracks. But it's worth it to me

[noble stratus]

show me

[hybrid nymph]

I found SAM All the way back in tier 2

[noble stratus]

me too. i started in rocky desert

[austere lichen]

#screenshots message

[noble stratus]

i love the pillar desgin!

[hybrid nymph]

There's also a SAM resource node right near Crater Lake

And trust me, you need a lot of it.

[austere lichen]

Theres also room inside the train platform underneath for a road

[noble stratus]

i sink it all XD

[hybrid nymph]

I never got into building roads.

God knows I'm not going to make something that looks as nice as it does on the main menu

[austere lichen]

Probably never gonna use it though

[noble stratus]

dont worry. letsgameitout can be beat at least. thats not too hard

[hybrid nymph]

I just use it to make SAM fluctuators Because I like dimensional depots

[austere lichen]

Dimensional depots are like crack

[noble stratus]

but no kinstruction or imkibitz and hell knows Xclipse

[hybrid nymph]

I love using dimensional depots

In fact I use them so much because It's like the ME System from Minecraft's Applied Energetics

Which I really wish there was a mod that did that

[noble stratus]

i can very much relate to that., i played way too much The 1.12.2 Pack

[hybrid nymph]

I really wish that someone would make a mod that you could construct a supercomputer that had a interface that you could just scroll up and down and it would have all of your stored items from all of your inventories inside of it, And you could just pull out items or store them as much as you wanted. So instead of having tons of deep storage units and chess, you just have one ME System

[noble stratus]

like me controler with me terminal?

[hybrid nymph]

Exactly

That's exactly what I'm talking about

I really don't think that It would be all that hard to create a mod that did that

If there's already mods that add in wind and solar power I don't think that it would be that hard to make applied energistics for satisfactory

[noble stratus]

youd probably have to keep all inventories loaded (which i think satisfactory already does since all factories continually produce) and just scan them for the item name

[fluid sapphire]

whats the purpose of such a system for satisfactory? once you have containers as a buffer and a bunch of uploaders that already eliminates inventory management almost entirely, considering 99% of the time depot feeds you building materials without any need for any kind of input

[hybrid nymph]

And I feel like there could also be an item like in the applied energistics mod That allows you to access your ME terminal remotely

I don't know, I'm going off topic with what I like about Minecraft, that's how I got into this game actually. I love the factory building aspect of modded Minecraft and once I figured out that satisfactory was that but it was the entire game I fell in love with it

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message
yoooo lets goo

[shy mulch]

Feels like people are trying to invent things that already exist

[fluid sapphire]

nice, welcome to the longest part of the game

[hybrid nymph]

Well done. Welcome to the longest part of the game indeed

[scenic mirage]

yay 😄

[hybrid nymph]

I've never actually made it to tier 9 in any of my playthroughs

[scenic mirage]

this is the furthest ive made it now

[shy mulch]

@fluid sapphire how many train stations do you need in your aluminum plant 😄

[hybrid nymph]

In my other two playthroughs I stopped once I reached nuclear power

[fluid sapphire]

i have 17 trains coming in, 3 going out

[shy mulch]

That's a large number of trains. I thought I was overdoing it haha

[hybrid nymph]

You got to have an entire factory setup just to reprocess the stupid waste. Which is not realistic to real life, but it's a video game what are you going to do

[fluid sapphire]

its bonkers, i didnt realize it was going to add up to such a huge number. but its a side effect of having every train be used for relatively little throughput, most of them carry 1 node worth of stuff each

[subtle swan]

Im having a brainfart. How many fuel gens can i run with 2000 rocket fuel per minute?

[shy mulch]

192 @250%

[subtle swan]

Oh should i boost them?

[hybrid nymph]

Seems no unnecessary

[scenic mirage]

immediately got the hoverpack

[hybrid nymph]

Imagine the lag

[shy mulch]

I have 10 stations in my copper powder production chaos. I'll be doing alu soon, can't wait

[shy mulch]

I get no serious lag around my fuel gens

[hybrid nymph]

Just follow what Let's Game It Out did

He made beltnado

[subtle swan]

Is it worth boosting? I have no where near that ammount of slugs

[shy mulch]

It makes zero difference to the efficiency, but boosting them means you get to build 192 instead of buidling 480, which most people find preferable

[fluid sapphire]

i am making some copper powder here too, only 200 though, but i dont imagine i will need more to start

[shy mulch]

I'm producing 2250 copper powder in my new factory, can't remember how much is in my old ones. My planned aluminum plant will need to output 2000 casings and 510 sheets, that should be a giggle

[peak wasp]

it was right next to my base

[fluid sapphire]

for sure. i havent really planned out what i will use all this aluminum for. currently there is 1860 to spare

[shy mulch]

give it to me 😄

[subtle swan]

Ic makes sense, im to scared to use Uraniun with the nuc waste

[shy mulch]

I like to plan backwards. Decided what I want my megafactory will output and calculated what I need to provide to the megafactory to achieve that. Then build satellite factories to produce those basic needs.
The shopping list that I'm building satellite factories for, which will all feed into the megafactory looks like this
Iron Plate 1000
Reinforced Plate 123
Modular Frame 62
Rotor 103
Smart Plating 50
Steel Pipe 391
Encased Industrial Beam 77
Concrete 2169
Copper Powder 2200
Cable 1194
Quickwire 2725.75
Copper Sheet 198
Silica 422
Dark Matter Crystal 720
Plastic 1468
Rubber 441
Quartz Crystal 882
Nitrogen 343.75
Aluminum Casing 1996
Alclad Sheet 510

[fluid sapphire]

thats a pretty wild list

i would hit burnout after finishing 10% of that megafactory probably

[shy mulch]

I've done about half of them, the aluminum stuff and the dark matter crystals are the bits that are going to kill me

[wise tartan]

Nitrogen seeing oxygen get all the credits for breathing:

[shy mulch]

so I'm leaving those to last

[fluid sapphire]

this aluminum factory is already driving me a bit wild

[clever sandal]

i wanna have a partner with who I could make a new satsifactory world together

[shy mulch]

yeah I've done a few alu factories but never on this scale, it's a bit daunting, hopefully it all works out nicely

[fiery lotus]

Found a wild lizard doggo trying to eat the grass through the floor in the bowels of my factory, I think I may be experiencing the emotion known as remorse?

[fluid sapphire]

i just made the mistake of splitting my manifolds all the way in the basement, then building 160 lifts and a lot of veeeeeeeeeery long belts

[fiery lotus]

Anyways time to build more infrastructure, for humanity

[shy mulch]

I've done similar things on some stupid scales, it drives me to insanity, I understand your name now

[fiery lotus]

Here I am having just finished doing the same thing now questioning my own sanity

Should I disassemble it now before I regret it later...

No it's fine in this case actually. This factory isn't meant to expand, it's just for eternally delivering products into the elevator

[dense violet]

Ok so I just got the CYBER PUPPET trait in the cyber ascension event, does this go away quickly as it is completey crippling

[fiery lotus]

That sounds more like Stellaris

Anyways if I remember correctly that's a permanent effect on the affected leaders

Gotta dispose of them to kill the global mod I think? Or maybe you get a research for it idk

[uncut trail]

guys i was in pink forest and i got radiation levels rising

fuck was that all about

[dense violet]

yeah looked it up. got a couple directions it can go

[dense violet]

also realised a few min ago I'd clicked onto the wrong server xD

[fiery lotus]

Uranium node? They have a pretty big danger zone.

[uncut trail]

i didnt see anything paniced and ran

[hybrid nymph]

I got a dumb question

What's stopping me from loading up a truck with nuclear waste and driving it off cliff to get rid of the waste?

[fiery lotus]

That is the exact kind of response that kept your ancestors alive

[fiery lotus]

I think it will just drop a crate at the cliff it fell off of

[uncut trail]

guys btw where can i farm mycelia from, i js get it randomly

[fiery lotus]

Players do that, at least, I would expect the truck to do the same

[fiery lotus]

The west side of the map has a lot of mycelia in my experience so far

There's basically nowhere you can chainsaw without getting mycelia, I have thousands

[hybrid nymph]

Nuclear waste is kind of dumb to be honest. Is it honestly worth reprocessing it so you can make it into plutonium fuel rods and sink it?

[dense violet]

it stays loaded forever

[fiery lotus]

Well it's going to be a problem eventually if you don't

[dense violet]

it's fine? and sure you can sink the P rods for big points. or use them as fuel in vehicles

[dense violet]

but youcan very quickly create a storage system that will keep the waste for 1000 hours

[fiery lotus]

Hey that was our plan irl

Though there's actually systems recycling the waste properly now into more usable materials

[reef basin]

All the options are fine

Storing any waste, sinking plut rods, doing ficsonium, . .

[small notch]

yo

[austere lichen]

Trucks don't despawn even if thrown off the map, so in time you will create such a lag that the save becomes unusable