satisfactory

[little goblet]

i do, but only if i place them facing east, if i do not, they cap at a very low speed

[visual cosmos]

And obviously you sshouldset it up on foundations to align properly

Huh

Never had that issue honestly

[shrewd palm]

yeah ive never even heard of that

before 1.0/1.1 some of my launchers were a little finicky with not giving me enough height, but they've all been fixed now

and thats really the only problem ive had with them

[dim badger]

can you build pparticle accelerator

[little goblet]

I would send a picture but i do not have permission sadly

[scenic mirage]

can i double my dimensional depot deposit speed by using 2 depots?

[shrewd palm]

should be able to in #design-and-architecture

[hard ivy]

the upload speed is per uploader
if you use multiple ones for the same item, all upload at max speed

[dim badger]

can you build a particle accelerator in this game?

[scenic mirage]

oh hell yeah

[little goblet]

i send it in

[shrewd palm]

im sorry man but i really have no idea whats happening

[abstract heron]

seeing if satisfactory is at gamescom this year?

or shown

[reef basin]

make what you need now

[wooden tide]

is there a channel for moding ? cant find it ><

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @hard ivy

[hard ivy]

^ bc there's a modding discord

[wooden tide]

thx ! devs didnt want mods discussion on official discord ?

[reef basin]

since mods are non-official, no

[acoustic heart]

If a drone port is full, will the drone just chill until they can unload?

[glad drum]

Yeah they just do circles above the port, like a vulture waiting for its prey...

oh you mean if the storage is full - UUUHHH - I don't remember

[acoustic heart]

Yeah.

It seems like that’s the case? Been trying to keep an eye on it

Mainly concerned about fuel consumption

[slender quest]

It shouldn't consume fuel while queued for arrival.

[peak wasp]

I let my factory go a bit. It's starting to spgahettify 😭

[glad drum]

Google AI (highly reliable source /s) said it will wait there until it can unload, so... no real answer lol.

OH WAIT YEAH - It does wait to unload - I remember cause I had a problem where I used a drone to transport fuel for other drones but the fuel got backed up and the drone couldn't finish the delivery, and delayed the other drones.

So YES it will just wait until it can unload.

[glad drum]

Embrace Spaghetti.

[acoustic heart]

Ohhh. I can see how that could be a problem

My current playthrough I told myself no spaghetti.

[glad drum]

Interesting - my current playthrough I told myself ONLY spaghetti #screenshots message

[glad drum]

Yeah, having the drone fuel delivered via drone using the same port without setting up an overflow was not a great idea lol

[visual cosmos]

I'm starting to realise the blueprint i just spent the last few hours on is going to need to be mirrored

[acoustic heart]

That’s always fun

I hate to admit I neglected blueprints on my current playthrough. Next one, I want to actually take some time making some good blueprints

Or at the very least find some to use.

[visual cosmos]

Most of my blueprints are practical by just having the input/output already planned
Usually for multiple refineries, so it's split properly

Rn im making a central storage because i like doing it
I am having regrets

Hmmm

Should I make ceiling lights just plain white or follow the purple ish theme I've been doing

[nova cedar]

Where would i go to discuss with someone about game ownership? Its not really game specific of an issue but more the owning of it. My friend and i ran into an issue with cross play and he had to buy epic version of the game for things to work and now he has two of the same game but he couldnt play with the steam one. Any thoughts?

[visual cosmos]

Slightly confused by the wording but cross play between steam-epic should work if i remember correctly

Also steam usually allows refund if you have less than 3 game hours iirc

[reef basin]

epic-steam crossplay works just fine

[glad drum]

Less than 2 hours, purchased less than 2 weeks ago -- which is great cause its like allowing a demo-test play of pretty much any game >:)

[visual cosmos]

[hard ivy]

unless it's an RPG and you spend more than 2 hours in the character creator 🙃

[lilac sedge]

will the webiste satisfactory tools be updated to 1.1?

[hard ivy]

prolly not but it's not missing much

only the codex is missing a few buildables

the calc hasn't changed since 1.0

[nova cedar]

Our 6 hours of trying to fix the issue using multiple ways to fix it didnt work.
We only found the only way to play being him taking my save and loading/hosting himself.
He was stuck on the respawn_sequence.bat issue and nothing worked to fix it and he even couldnt join a new game.

[proper hound]

Discussion got so big it budded into separate server.. Whole underground community 🙂

[lilac sedge]

oh makes sense

[fiery lotus]

It seems the AWESOME sink is a path to powers some would consider... unnatural.

[modest nest]

First time trying to use tractors, do I need to record the loading and unloading?

[shrewd palm]

i really hope this power plant doesnt nuke my performance

[fiery lotus]

Using the ceiling mounts to create a logistics floor beneath the factory floor is a fun approach

[glad drum]

You just need to drive under the station and it should create a "pause" node on the path- as long as it has that, it'll work. You don't have to simulate loading/unloading while creating the path though, no.

[peak wasp]

random question but can you run satisfactory on a steam deck late game

[modest nest]

cool

[peak wasp]

good morning pioneers, that rubber and plastic aint gonna bring itself to your main base

[modest nest]

and do I need to drive a full loop or will it go back and fourth on the same path

[hard ivy]

you need to end where you started

[peak wasp]

you know when you first build PC's, you just shove the cables inside
that's how I feel my main base will be

[glad drum]

mine is the same!

my friend bought me the game (i paid a shop to build my pc)
they made it look all nice
and then i destroyed it with spaghetti (i eat spaghetti out of my pc)

[modest nest]

aw

[past sluice]

anyone know if the controller support is good yet? Have they launched the game on console yet? i assume it will have to be ok by the time they release it there as they have no MKB to use generally speaking

[white dawn]

Controller support debuted on PC in version 1.1; I believe people who use it are generally quite happy with it

Console port has not yet been released, but should be out this year still

[limpid cairn]

ionized filters are the same as normal gas filters right?

they just also filter nuclear stuff

[white dawn]

Nope, two different items

With two different functions

Both can be used at the same time, though, since the rad suit is a "body" slot and the gasmask is a "head" slot

[dapper seal]

So ive been playing multiplayer for the first time since like EA, and ive noticed that we cannot use the chat window while crafting. Is this something that could be changed in the future? Being able to chat while crafting would be very nice.

[reef basin]

I'd like to think that it's one of many "do not handcraft, automate instead" features

[dapper seal]

well when you are starting a new file thats not an option

so there is a ton of manual crafting- and if the other player is new, there is alot of 'explaining;

[reef basin]

eh, you "need" to do only a very limited set of crafts before automation can take place

[dapper seal]

i see, so this is a, not gonna change cuz automate thing

[past sluice]

Yeah i tried using it, on my setup I couldnt even get past the main menu on controller, and then i had to hand edit the .ini file to disable the controller. It was just a mess. I dont know if others arent having the issues i did, or if they did, what are they using thier controller for. i wnated a full replacement for my MKB, maybe they are just using it when in game runnign around and then using MKB for menus or building, idk...?

[reef basin]

no, that's just what I'd like to think 😉

but why that is/isn't I do not know

I'd assume it's not intentionally disabled, just never thought about

[ember mist]

First time? More like every time.

[dapper seal]

alwaysHasBeen /meme

Do not fear the spagetti- eventually you can turn it all into drones

spegatti make you strongk

[rare linden]

what is the minimum PC specs to play the game? asking for a friend

he couldnt tell me what he had rn

[reef basin]

it's on steam/epic store

[ember mist]

MINIMUM:
Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
OS: Windows 10 or later (64-Bit)
Processor: i5-3570 3.4 GHz 4 Core
Memory: 8 GB RAM
Graphics: Nvidia GTX 1650/GTX 1050-ti, or AMD RX 470/RX 570, or equivalent performance & VRAM
Storage: 20 GB available space

[glad drum]

RECOMMENDED:
Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
OS: Windows 11 or later (64-Bit)
Processor: Ryzen 5 5600X or i5-12400 or equivalent performance, 6 physical cores minimum
Memory: 16 GB RAM
Graphics: Nvidia RTX 2070 or RX 5700, or equivalent performance & VRAM
Storage: 20 GB available space
Additional Notes: Internet connection required for multiplayer.

I got your back, Mech ❤️

[rare linden]

❤️ thanks guys

[white dawn]

I've got zero controller experience myself, so I couldn't say really. There's a lot of folks playing the game on Steam Deck which is pretty exclusively controller

If you do have problems with controller, it'd be good to submit reports and such to the Questions site

[fossil ice]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @white dawn

[scenic mirage]

how do i get the absolute most quality out of the game? like i got a beefy computer and i want the best quality

[past sluice]

Yeah, playing on Steam Deck though means you have access to emulated MKB at the drop of the hat to work around the shittiness of the controller issues. I am getting the vibe that im in the tiny minority who plays the game with a conttroller thats not part of a Steam Deck. I am reinstalling the game to give it a go again, but i had hoped maybe the console port was done, which would signal the controller situation should be up to snuff. Guess ill feel it out for myself again and see how it goes. Thansk for the response 🙂

[past sluice]

High end CPU for the background sim late game, and lots of RAMM. at least IMO.

[scenic mirage]

no i have that. i have a 3090 and 64gb ram but i want better quality, i alr have everything on max but i want better 😉

[split pewter]

every settings on max?

[scenic mirage]

yep

[split pewter]

get a 6 foot monitor

[scenic mirage]

one of those g9 neo monitors?

[split pewter]

no

too small

way too small

or just get a whiteboard

and a projector

[modest nest]

Tractors are surprisingly fuel efficient

[knotty walrus]

wtf is up with the plant beans?

[past sluice]

What is a Plant Bean?

[limpid cairn]

hey does any1 know how good the game is runable with a amd ryzen 5 3600 and a 1650

[knotty walrus]

454.1 hours played and I have only now seen this thing once

[scenic mirage]

huh

[knotty walrus]

it's a bean but it's textured to look like one of the fart plants

scared the hell out of me

[past sluice]

should be, i dont think there's ray tracing requirement or anything, framerate might be low and you'll need to choose low quality in graphics, but i think it should be ok, oH wait a 1650, i missed that. idk if 4g of VRAM gonna do or not

[peak wasp]

hahaha nawww you gotta do cable management after the 1st one lol

[knotty walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-the-unicorn-shun-the-non-believer-gif-3479764

damn, no gifs 😿

[reef basin]

yeah, no embeds in this channel 🙂

[knotty walrus]

le sad

[reef basin]

(and your message is perfect example of why they were disabled in the first place 😛 )

[knotty walrus]

what? what's wrong with charlie the unicorn?

[reef basin]

well, many people would consider that a spam 🙂

[knotty walrus]

a single gif? spam?

[reef basin]

yeah

[dapper seal]

Sometimes, all you need is a potato -CoffeeStain

[visual cosmos]

to some extent i'm happy yes

[reef basin]

especially if multiple people kept sending gifs in this channel, the chat was practically unreadable

[visual cosmos]

controller support is decent, but i feel like a few controls are missing from the list in keybindings, which is slightly confusing
also you cant change anything which i understand but eh

[hot plaza]

I built a fully oc mk3 miner connected to an awesome sink with mk6 belt and I left it running for 10 hours and the miner now has 1-2 items in it fluctuating. How is that possible if it produces 1200 per min and it uses 1200 min how can items stack up like that even if barely noticable?

[reef basin]

#rules no begging 🙂

[visual cosmos]

[scenic mirage]

off work for the next 3 days i think its time to finish phase 3 😈

[spark ruin]

It could do on low settings

[limpid cairn]

i mean its slighty above the recommended settings

[modest nest]

Found some circuit boards at a crash site and am now slooping my power shards at tier 4

[limpid cairn]

• the world generation is done by my pc (i7 12700 3060ti)

is there a list where you can change graphics through the console?

[green fiber]

because the belts possibly accumulate errors over time and dont actually consistently move 1200/min in that timeframe?
which wouldnt be surprising, this has happened before with mk 5 belts

[peak wasp]

do the game devs post here?

or staff

[reef basin]

rarely

why?

[spark ruin]

Its waaayyy below recommended specs

[white dawn]

In my experience that behavior (or at least, related behavior) is at least somewhat performance-based. A busy world is much more likely to exhibit that behavior than a smaller one. 1200/min manifolds that work great on a fully "clean" save on my PC can start to lag when imported into my main 1.0 world, for instance

[limpid cairn]

i meant minimum mb

[peak wasp]

cause I wanna know?

[hot plaza]

Thats cool. So Im simply justt unable to build at the scale I want at full efficiency

[spark ruin]

No one competent has made something like that for SF

• low settings go very low as is
  It runs on a potato

[unkempt blade]

I'm making potatoes right now! I'll have to save some of them for a LAN party

[modest nest]

well I got on today intending to make Modular frames and Rotors and successfully didn't do that

[wet fox]

Such is life in the Factory

[modest nest]

Its been 3 hours

I did make a tracter that will occasionally run creatures over on its route though which means I get free stuff

[wispy condor]

#announcements message i view that , we can post everything ? like ||engine overused screenshot ||

[fiery lotus]

nice i got an early automated miners

now if only i could find S.A.M.

[wicked nacelle]

I would never pick automated miners early. I’d rather get something else and just get a drink while I hand crafted 100 of them.

[fiery lotus]

It's the only remotely useful recipe I've rolled so far lol

Also don't think I've manually crafted anything since the first 2 hours

[hard ivy]

Good

[wicked nacelle]

You haven’t made a new tool since 2 hours in?

[fiery lotus]

Yeah pretty much less thing I made was the nobelisk

Although without the automated miner recipe I would have been forced to make them for my new miners soon

Oh hey smart splitters very nice

[burnt ferry]

#screenshots message in case anybody wonders if biomass is ever a problem 😂

[reef basin]

it's super cool early to get miners to depots

[bronze bison]

why does the ADA get so mad when I kill the weird tall dinosaur things?

[fiery lotus]

Why would you kill it : (

[bronze bison]

their always in my way 🙁

[fiery lotus]

Then build around it clearly

[bronze bison]

but like ADA doesn't get mad at anything else I do

[fiery lotus]

It's like kicking a puppy, you've even angered the soulless corporate AI

[burnt ferry]

does get mad at the first peaceful fauna you kill

i wanted to nudge a doggo the other day, but it killed it right away, so ada complaint

[fiery lotus]

Also apparently I picked a very nice starter spot, I've barely had to move.

[burnt ferry]

but typically if you smack them once or twice they just run away and dont stand in the way anymore

[mortal ginkgo]

The issue is they provide nothing to exploit. You are in this planet to exploit to save puppies and kitties. So it is inefficient to kill a being that provides nothing (also wastes time, effort and material to do so). So in ADA's eyes, you are evil.

[fiery lotus]

Which is especially nice given I decided to play with the continuous space elevator since it sounded more interesting

[bronze bison]

but like 90% of the time they are standing like right in the middle of my builds so I can't work

[burnt ferry]

smack em

[mortal ginkgo]

I think thats their life purpose...

[unkempt blade]

All of them are good through at least T4 without traveling very far. Once you get to oil you might have to go a little bit away from the starting spot

[bronze bison]

lol

[tender inlet]

hi new here but anyone have any knowledge on what setup a vanilla coal generator should look like for best efieciency?

[burnt ferry]

i know but... i was about smacking the beanflicker 😂

[burnt ferry]

max 10m above water source

thats really it

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean you and explain this: #screenshots message

They are stuck there...

[lunar flame]

Suggestion: have you looked into our lord and savior satisfactory modeler

[hard ivy]

!wikisearch cg

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[burnt ferry]

the only thing that taints the efficiency of your coal generators is the amount of energy you spend to pump the water..

[unkempt blade]

just try stuff and see what works, it's more fun that way 😄

[toxic pelican]

what u all think about this build am gonna do its gonna be 4 different factorys one for smellting and 3 for the items
https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=Pm3SOwx8a4k3WoVQEycf

[burnt ferry]

the rest is trivial math.. you want to overclock all your generators to the max, but thats only to save space, so if you dont have as many shards, you can just build more generators instead

[fiery lotus]

I still haven't unlocked overclocking because then I'd have to go leave the comforting hum of my factory to find slugs

[burnt ferry]

oO

how about exploring the beauty of this incredible map?

[fiery lotus]

It's not truly beautiful until there's a cloud of CO2 hanging above it

[burnt ferry]

and if this pointlessly aggressive fauna bugs you, just set it to passive and kill it smiling

[burnt ferry]

thats because you havent polluted the planet as much as you could have

[fiery lotus]

The fauna is pretty non-threatening at least

I just snipe them with the rebar

[burnt ferry]

there could be a poisenous cloud of co2 everywhere

[fiery lotus]

I'll probably stay in my local area until I get trains

Then I can bring entire factories of material to pollute the next skyline

[burnt ferry]

nah fr bro.. you really should start scouting.. there is more to find than just slugs. also with them slops you should also farm you can double the output of shards from slugs....

a short scouting trip in the right area can yield > 200 shards easily

[fiery lotus]

I did find a cave absolutely full of them while grabbing quartz nodes

But they were too annoying to get all the way up on the ceiling

[violet wave]

man trying to wrap my head around fluid dynamics in this game is killer

[fiery lotus]

Oh, you can zoop ramps

[burnt ferry]

jetpack plus liquid biofuel helps a lot.... but them caves are more important for slops.. slugs are at the overworld

[burnt ferry]

upper is higher than lower... thats the gist of it

[limpid cairn]

Can someone tell me where the folders for each save files are located ?

[nimble delta]

What an absolute mood

[violet wave]

I read that whole plumbing and such document, still getting stumped on this

[fiery lotus]

I had no idea there were jetpacks, I'm probably close to them I'm about to stuff a bunch of material into the elevator

[quick verge]

Either my math, or my understanding is off. Possibly both. I have 8 refineries producing plastic, which should output 800 Heavy Oil a minute (10 each x 8). Refineries use 60/m to make fuel. 800/60 = 13.3333 refineries, so I built 14 at 95.237% clock speed....buuuuut it looks like Im not actually producing enough oil for that? Any idea where Im off?

[violet wave]

prob gonna draw something up for a post in help channel and see if anybody smarter than me can advise

[nimble delta]

i am not the target audience for this game but i enjoy it a lot but OH LORD

[fiery lotus]

That's how I feel with classic roguelikes
I absolutely adore the genre but I have never beaten a single one

[burnt ferry]

dont.... make small limited experiments in your own savegame instead of trying to wrap your head around the whole theory upfront.. like start with experimenting with headlift, which you can read from powered pumps

also these documents might contain workarounds for bugs already fixed, which nobody can tell for sure, so rather make experiments and try to understand your very savegame

[nimble delta]

ok thats a mood to haha

[violet wave]

I know the basics, headlift and such is fine. I've "beat" the game once

[burnt ferry]

i would argue you dont need any guide then

[violet wave]

but in the OG world, never got around to fixing some things fully

now in new world, trying to make sure everything is 100% kosher

[nimble delta]

Duct tape solutions for real

[burnt ferry]

especially if you already know the basics.. that will enable you to make these 'experiments' much more targeted

[burnt ferry]

especially dont hesitate to put buffers at least for diagnosis.. many people suggest against buffers and while they might rarely abe necessary to make a setup working, they help debugging a setup

[fiery lotus]

I forgot about buffers & made a manual one instead

[burnt ferry]

like a long pipe? 😂

[fiery lotus]

Yeah just a really tall upsidedown U

[wicked nacelle]

Buffers often cause problems that people then try to solve with other things and then end up with the only problem being the buffer. Don’t use buffers.

[wintry moth]

Hi, i've been having a problem with memory leak on a multiplayer host, I've been playing satisfactory with my girlfriend and a friend, she's hosting, after an hour or so of playing the game, she starts getting noticeably lower fps on her end (from 100ish to 30ish, changing graphic settings doesn't seem to make it better), it gets fixed when the game is restarted but it's been a pain point and i don't want her to hate the game, is there a fix for this? i asked in the reddit and basically got told it was fixed in 0.8 but we are playing in 1.1

[wicked nacelle]

Buffers don’t act like people think they should and if you understand how they work then you should understand well enough to not need to try to guess how to debug something by putting in random buffers

[burnt ferry]

there might be one advantage to this,k depending on the height of your u: the big buffer is 12 m high, whch you have to account for in headlift.. a pipe based buffer can be contained within 10m 😂

[burnt ferry]

you dont debug by putting buffers randomly, which wasnt suggested.. it might be your first intention of how to use buffers for debug, but thats not the way debugging is supposed to be done

[undone kestrel]

If it doesn't work without buffer it will eventually not work with them!

Unless it's a manifold or train station then a buffer is a good idea

[burnt ferry]

so.. like i said.. use buffers at places where it make sense for debugging purposes.. if you dont know how to debug properly, ask people

[mortal ginkgo]

I have a fuel buffer and it works fine

[burnt ferry]

but dont just not use technology from the game because a bunch of people are unable to figure out how to use them

[undone kestrel]

Until it doesn't

[wicked nacelle]

If you know how to debug properly then you know it doesn’t involve buffers

[nimble delta]

after so long i think i found reason why my fluid thingies are flucating theres a singular tiny lil mk1 pipe on a 600m3 line

[fiery lotus]

FINALLY, LIGHTS

[wicked nacelle]

Looking at pipe fill level is all the “buffer” you need

[hard ivy]

Then it would work just as fine without it

[burnt ferry]

thats a pseudo elitists point of view which im motivating people to avoid taking

[distant pilot]

Northern forest moment

[plush dawn]

hey guys uh how long progression wise will a 1 fuel rod per minute factory last me

power consumption and all that

[distant pilot]

one uranium rod per minute?

[plush dawn]

yes

[undone kestrel]

Not very long

[burnt ferry]

like 'if you konw how to do things right'.. yeah, we dont have to discuss ANYTHING at this point but nobody will be ever there, hence there cant be no absolute decision from any perspective

[distant pilot]

that can supply 5 reactors, or 12.5GW of power

so not a crazy amount at that stage of the game

[hard ivy]

I was consuming way more power than that way before unlocking nuclear in my current run

[plush dawn]

welp

time to do superscale turbofuel

[wicked nacelle]

-and buffers do weird stuff to flow rate and head lift so you’re changing your system by introducing them

[distant pilot]

also you cant get rid of the nuclear waste until you can reprocess it into plutonium fuel rods

[undone kestrel]

I'd argue we do know how to use them -> to buffer train station input/outputs

[hard ivy]

Why would you ever torture yourself like that?

[undone kestrel]

There's no reason at all to have a buffer within a pipe system

[burnt ferry]

by the way: the easiest way to know why you can ignore people suggesting against buffers is because they cant be anymore specific than 'theyre somehow broken' this means they just know as much as you do... works in other situations in life as well

if there was anything that speaks against buffers, tell it and be precise.. othrwise, politely stfu

[undone kestrel]

I mean they do mess up flowrates for one

[distant pilot]

it feels like a lot of the "problems" the in-game fluid system has is just a consequence of it trying really hard to mimic irl fluids as opposed to a simplified system like factorio had even before 2.0

[mortal ginkgo]

this community has some "impossible to break rules" that majority agree and minority is tired of explaining.

Screws are bad = Not all screws are bad, Steel Screws are good and can be profitable if you leave some recipes with screws

Cast Screws is a bad recipe = Saying this for a beginner is ultra silly as it both simplifies and reduces electricity cost.

Valves are useless = I personally use Valves and I see no problem with what I do.

etc etc.

I eventually gave up. Its no point talking 😛

[undone kestrel]

Nah there's a lot more the devs could have done to make it realistic and they haven't

[burnt ferry]

The buffers not being one of them

Easy to tell like I said

[undone kestrel]

The problem is people think of pipes as belts, which they are not and that is where the problems stem from

[plush dawn]

because im not superscaling fuel rods left

[distant pilot]

that too

[wintry moth]

why do people think valves are useless? i use them to avoid fluids flowing backwards

[plush dawn]

i have like 13gw of turbofuel power right now

[undone kestrel]

I have never ran into a pipe issue ever since they were added into the game

[fiery lotus]

I see no reason for buffers but I would totally use them purely to enhance the aesthetic

[wicked nacelle]

I don't have systems where liquids flows backwards

[fiery lotus]

That said I think I can make cooler looking manual buffers so I'll continue to do that

[undone kestrel]

They used to be very unreliable, now they mostly work fine

[hard ivy]

They're still basically useless tho

[mortal ginkgo]

I don't know. I use it for that purpose too and it works perfectly.

I also used it so I can send 20m3 fuel somewhere else, and it also worked perfectly.

[distant pilot]

valves in my experience can help make a flow more stable/consistent

[undone kestrel]

I am inclined to agree, I can only think of a few cases where a valve is actually required

[wintry moth]

that's fair, i used to just put pumps in front of a buffer but now i just put valves

[modest nest]

I haven't had any issues with values yet but I hear some people have

[distant pilot]

thye prevent fluid from sloshing back and forth as it gets spontaneously added/removed from the pipe network

[mortal ginkgo]

Their arguement is "if you made the setup good, valves are not needed".

Yeah well, if you hand feed everything, you don't need belts.

Silly logic from silly people.

I just LOVE how some people gets INSTANT summoned when someone says "I use cast screws."

[undone kestrel]

These days I include valves in recycled fluid loops just to make sure there's never any backup but that's one of the few cases I will ever use them

[plush dawn]

i use valves for redundancy, if my system SHOULD work fine but because of some loading issue or backlog they are good to just make sure everything stays in order

[undone kestrel]

I use cast screws

[distant pilot]

cast screw really relies on you getting them before steel screws or alts that get rid of screws like stitched plate or steel rotor

[mortal ginkgo]

I tested it btw.

Saying anything positive about Cast Screws TRULY summons some folk. It's like they got a discord notification for that.

[fiery lotus]

I know nothing about cast screws but I'll probably use them if I roll them 🐱

[mortal ginkgo]

Exactly. Use them brother.

[mortal ginkgo]

there is like 6 recipes you can get at tier0 brother, you will almost get it instantly in your first or second try

[wicked nacelle]

They're convenient if you're doing screws on demand instead of trying to belt them in.

[distant pilot]

it's not more material efficient than iron ingot->rod->screw but it means fewer machines

[undone kestrel]

I think the biggest case for not using valves in a working system is that it's just an unnecessary complication in most cases that could lead to issues so it's better to just not have them

[plush dawn]

well anyway time to abandon this 1 fuel rod per minute factory and just start making turbo fuel

[nimble delta]

oooh i LOVE stiched plating haha

[distant pilot]

The pure/alloy ingot recipes being offered before refineries and foundries are available:

[mortal ginkgo]

not exactly needed after mid game+.

Early Game not only you save of space but also machine count

[plush dawn]

im in this weird situation where i cant build powerplant because the oil is being used for plastic, but i also cant move plastic because it needs plastic

[undone kestrel]

Then get more oil

[wicked nacelle]

I'd be so happy to get a pure-ingot recipe that I couldn't use early -- because then I have it

[distant pilot]

also if we're talking about new players they're not gonna always immediately know the power of alt recipes or that they even exist

[regal lantern]

Can't you use Oil -> Plastic + Residue -> Fuel -> Burn?

[wicked nacelle]

rip biocoal/charcoal pickers

[mortal ginkgo]

I will simply disagree. I had no idea cast screws existed and got it in like my second try and thought "wow cool"

[undone kestrel]

Cast screws are useful when you don't want to use copper/steel or some other materials

[mortal ginkgo]

there are so many crash sites that you can get (at least 3) rather easy to find in first and second area

[wicked nacelle]

Iron wire is often more efficient with another alt though

Like for stitched plate

[undone kestrel]

shhh

[mortal ginkgo]

Iron Wire is so slow tho' 😭

[distant pilot]

im talking players who might not even look into a crash site until after completing phase 1

[undone kestrel]

where's the fun in that

[hard ivy]

Not using screws never requires getting another resource tho?

[plush dawn]

my plastic/rubber factory is just a converted fuel factory once i made seperate turbofuel factory, so its really janky so i need to remake the entire thing. and my turbofuel plant is massive but poorly designed because i needed power fast

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean.. seeing at least one crash site should get their curiosity up. Because it did for me. I was like "wow, cool".

[regal lantern]

Do you have any coal you can take for quicker power? Might be a better solution for the short term

[plush dawn]

iron wire is good for when its not used enough to go grab a copper line

[fiery lotus]

My starting base is slightly squished so less machines would definitely have been nice

[mortal ginkgo]

yeah, Iron Wire + Stitched Plate is still cool tho

[fiery lotus]

For some reason I decided to leave the wide open area I spawned in and find somewhere "aesthetic" instead

[plush dawn]

i have a coal plant that i keep because my steel factory needs it, its 16 coal burners not overclocked, theres plenty of coal there but not enough water

[undone kestrel]

Assuming you also have other alternates

[mortal ginkgo]

This game really has a trick on the eyes with scale. One Foundation is actually MASSIVE compared to the player.

Hell, even a Constructor is TRULY large in comprasion

[distant pilot]

Minecraft's POV is like that too

[plush dawn]

my "starter base" (aka the one im still using) i just kept upgrading and overclocking the copper miner for more copper when i needed it, still running off of a single pure node

[distant pilot]

I wonder if theyre the exception or if its normal for first person games to be warped like that

[nimble delta]

im having some flucuation on my power grid but if all my fuel generators are running on 100% i can rule them out right?

[undone kestrel]

ngl I tend to just use whatever alt im not bored of using at the time lmao

[hard ivy]

I mean cast screws don't differ at all from default screws + default rods in terms of resources, so cast screws isn't helpful there at all either

[undone kestrel]

theres enough resources on the map for the most part without having to worry about complete efficiency

[mortal ginkgo]

I got copper PTSD because I decided to build my first game's hub where there was only one impure Copper Node.

I still question my decision to this day.

[hard ivy]

Unless you do default oil processing. 4.5 times less efficient. *shudder*

[undone kestrel]

I was more meaning for something like modular frames - if you don't want to use the default and don't want to use screws you then need steel (or iron pipe alt)

[topaz shale]

I just finished setting up a 10gw power fuel power plant using the diluted fuel and the HOR alt recipes. Man I love the hoverpack so much

[plush dawn]

my base is like 9ish stories tall because i keep making it taller instead of actually trying to build a nice expandable base

[undone kestrel]

Oil is a different story. Always max efficiency 😛

And nuclear

[fiery lotus]

Hey same as me

[plush dawn]

9ish because some floors are split in half to fit refineries

[fiery lotus]

I've had no problems with it though

[mortal ginkgo]

there is no middle ground brother, either you are going up to sky or you just have a foundation floating above the water 😄

[fiery lotus]

Just have to stockpile the materials in advance of when I need them

[plush dawn]

i also ran a nitrogen pipe under the map like 2k meter because i was NOT trying to make it look nice above ground

[undone kestrel]

Was that the one in the grassy fields

[fiery lotus]

I've been running my power lines through caves when possible

[mortal ginkgo]

Nope, top left Rocky Desert.

I got TEMPTED by 4 pure iron nodes that I truly didnt need at that time.

I was FOOLED.

[fiery lotus]

Oh is that exactly where I am

[plush dawn]

my base is a scattered mess

[undone kestrel]

Just get loads of alts and make that copper node irrelevant for fooling you like that

[hard ivy]

Yeah, with the right alts, you only need copper for sheets and pasta

[topaz shale]

I love my multi-level factories.

[mortal ginkgo]

I never told the second part of the story where I wasted all alt recipe selections on even more foolish selections brother.

MY FOOLISHNESS HAS NO BOUNDS!

THE DEPTHS OF MY FOOLISHNESS

[fiery lotus]

I should go find recipes...

[mortal ginkgo]

I restarted tho' so is all fine.

[regal lantern]

Sky supremacy!

[undone kestrel]

Then get the converter and use quartz or sulfur for any copper you need

[hard ivy]

... and sloops and slugs and spheres and items for MAM unlocks

[fiery lotus]

S.A.M. would be nice, though if I understand correctly it's basically useless to me right now

[mortal ginkgo]

you naturally find them as you search for other stuff because they are easy to see

[mortal ginkgo]

It is needed for Dimensional Depots... so...

[fiery lotus]

I walked by one like 6 times while setting up my coal power

[undone kestrel]

You might want to get it anyway and check the mam 😉

[hard ivy]

If you try really hard, you can use it as soon as you have the MAM unlocked.

[fiery lotus]

SAM I (M)AM

[hard ivy]

Hmm I wonder how many depot upgrades can you get before unlocking steel?

[undone kestrel]

I'm debating turning caterium into uranium for fun

Don't plan on really using it

[nimble delta]

fixed my fluctuations in my power grid 😄 turns out my first attempt on fuel factory was horribly done

time to do exactly same horrible thing with attempting turbo fuel

[lost wagon]

don't know how double beam connector works, doesn't seem like it let you put 2 beams side by side

[topaz shale]

I find to make sure to not use the full throughput of a mk2 pipe for fuel to make sure that fuel is always given to where it needs to be with minimal backup. Gives room for some fluctuations in the fluid in the pipes.

[fiery lotus]

Once more I am forced to venture forth

My coal isn't sufficient to supply the continuous elevator

[gritty sleet]

I don't suppose there's a way to turn off the geiger counter clicking for radioactivity nearby?

[undone kestrel]

Turn down your volume

[hard ivy]

It looks like you should be able to get slooping, then the depot, the manual upload, both upgrade trees to lvl 2 and still have enough for 20 uploaders. Pretty decent tbh

[wicked nacelle]

Imagine using two of the most valuable resources in the game to stretch the least valuable. 😮

[young verge]

i got most of the steel from drop pods

[fiery lotus]

They aren't very valuable early are they lol

[hard ivy]

I'd put SAM and Bauxite in #1 and #2

[wicked nacelle]

Quartz makes aluminum so that’s why it counts

[hard ivy]

You can make aluminium quartzless

[wicked nacelle]

Not enough

[hard ivy]

And adding quartz only gives 25% more

Or was it 33%? I don't remember

[wicked nacelle]

“Only 25%” lols

[plush dawn]

mind elaborating, i have the same issue lol

[hard ivy]

Not enough to be worth it imo

[wicked nacelle]

It is when you’re out of bauxite

But pure copper gives 2.5x for the cost of water

[nimble delta]

essentially i just had my math wrong so i thought i had 120 fuel in going to 6 fuel gens but really i had 80

[plush dawn]

oh

i just like uh

have generators

i make much more turbofuel than i have generators for, i cant fit enough and i am NOT using powershards on a generator

[undone kestrel]

How can you not fit more gens?

[hard ivy]

The map is like 100 km³

That's a lot of gens

[violet wave]

how do you control focus on photo mode?

holding F doesn't seem to do much for me

[peak wasp]

choo choo mf*** hahahahaha

[chrome orbit]

how many fuel generators should i make to future proof

[topaz shale]

As much as you need but with enough room to expand. I would recommend to expand upwards instead of sideways.

[hollow turret]

heavy encased frame or insulated cable?

[hard ivy]

The frame and it's not even close

Whatever the other choice was, I would say the same

Except maybe diluted fuel

But if you're getting the choice between HEF and DF, you're already late

[hollow turret]

oh

[chrome orbit]

right now i am consuming 600mw and making 1500mw

[hard ivy]

1600 at max OC should last 99.9% of people to the end of the game

[fiery lotus]

I was making 2400 and using 550 a few hours ago

My power just cut 👍

[plush dawn]

my production is lower than my max consumption is that normal?

[topaz shale]

I would say to use an online calculator or something else to calculate what you would need to turn about 300/min of crude oil or less into fuel to be used for power. That is where I started and is a good starting point.

Should net you around 2.5gw or so.

[hard ivy]

Or 10 if you use the right recipes

[fiery lotus]

Just means there's machines not doing as much work as they could be

[plush dawn]

i know what it means i am asking should i increase my power production

[topaz shale]

True true. That is where I'm at, atm. Using those nice recipes. I just got half of the total setup built. Gives 10gw now and can be expanded to 20gw later.

[plush dawn]

i have 13gw ish of power

and using around 4gw passive

[fiery lotus]

Well that depends on your factory I guess, are you at risk of it spiking up and killing your power or are those just machines that are going to remain idle?

[chrome orbit]

how much battery do u guys have

[plush dawn]

my big tall factory is almost completely idle right now

[fiery lotus]

Just make sure you have the power when you spool it back up then lol

[fiery lotus]

I just have an array of bio burners acting as a makeshift battery

[hard ivy]

0

[chrome orbit]

i had some bad interactions with biomass so i stay away from it

[plush dawn]

i tried making a battery tower but ended up running out of literally everything because the dimensional depots are slow so i only have one layer

[chrome orbit]

what do the dimensional depots do?

[violet wave]

remote storage

pump items in, they're now accessible from anywhere without actually being in your inventory

[chrome orbit]

that is cool

i just stock up in big amounts of everything i need for a certain project in my inventory

[wicked nacelle]

It holds 1-5 stacks of every item type that you can access instantly or through your build gun

[chrome orbit]

sad for the motors

[hard ivy]

With depots, you don't need to

[wicked nacelle]

Yes that’s an oddly small stack size

For an earlier item

[hard ivy]

Eh, I've never found 250 motors to be insufficient

Capacity only needs to cover 1 BP paste

Upload speed can handle the rest

[wicked nacelle]

Can’t make a container filled with 251 motors

[chrome orbit]

is a tera watt even acheiveable

[hard ivy]

You know, I somehow never needed a BP like that

[hard ivy]

19 TW is

[wicked nacelle]

Yes. Especially with augmented and scooby snacks

[wicked nacelle]

Indefinitely?

Because if we aren’t talking indefinite then you can make any amount of power for a period of time

[hard ivy]

Theoretically. If you indefinitely keep adding waste storage

[wicked nacelle]

So no

That number doesn’t even make sense to share. If I just make more containers of fuel I can make any amount of power

[hard ivy]

Unlike stockpiling fuel, you can theoretically keep adding storage for infinite runtime

[atomic sable]

guys is there a way i can do fences on the rounded foundation floors?

[hard ivy]

But max continuous power without any human intervention is like 15-16 TW iirc

Not that much of a difference

[wicked nacelle]

Somehow stockpiling waste is ok but fuel is not. Makes no sense. I can make any amount of power for any amount of time specified.

[visual cosmos]

Uhhhh

[hard ivy]

I personally don't care for power records with waste storage, because they require human intervention to keep running, but I would say there is a difference between waste storage and stockpiling waste.

With storing waste, you can theoretically run the power plant for infinite time. You just need infinite space.

With stockpiling fuel, there's no way to make it run for infinite time, not even theoretically

[visual cosmos]

I just found a mk6 belt stuck in a industrial storage container

The highest i have is mk5?

[limpid cairn]

Rocket fuel was better than ionized fuel right?

[wicked nacelle]

Yeah there is. With the same amount of containers as it takes to produce waste infinitely. Infinite

[hard ivy]

For power? Absolutely

[limpid cairn]

So there’s no real point in unlocking the recipe in the mam

[hard ivy]

You don't have infinite fuel production to ever fill up your infinite fuel storage

[hard ivy]

Ionized is great for the jetpack and drones. And as a sink for shards, should you want that

[visual cosmos]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1407502454614134794

weird bug i cant lie

[limpid cairn]

Mhhh does it increase drone speed or what?

[hard ivy]

Yes, it's faster and lasts longer than rocket fuel in drones

Whether the benefit is worth the cost is another question tho

The best drone fuel is probably plut rods

[visual cosmos]

i cant sample it but i can link other belts to it

[fiery lotus]

Stumbled onto my first uranium node, I don't think I need this yet...

[hard ivy]

Come back in tier 8 lol

[fiery lotus]

Guess so

Hey you can see crash sites and nodes from pretty far away, going far up is actually useful

Who woulda thunk

[hard ivy]

Though you can sink the ore for some easy points

[fiery lotus]

I do have the resources on me to do so I think

Ah wait no power

[hard ivy]

Be careful not to pick up any of it though

Disconnect the miner from power before you dismantle it and all that

No radiation source is worse than picking some up into your inv

As long as you don't do that, it's pretty easy to outheal the damage

[fiery lotus]

I'll just leave the infrastructure up here until later I'm not messing with it beyond that

[heavy pine]

Got a pocket full of kryptonite uranium, what could go wrong?

[hard ivy]

Max radiation damage is 45/s iirc so you die in 2 seconds

But minimum is like 0.1 or 0.2 so you got several minutes

And it goes up exponentially as you get closer so as long as you aren't basically touching something or have it in your inv, it's pretty safe if you're quick to get in and out

[dim badger]

That's super, man.

[leaden turret]

<@&370483737957236737> I heard y'all swedes figured out how to move a 113 year old church 5km, how difficult is it to be able to move existing builds in satisfactory?

[viscid bobcat]

so I discovered the blueprint

why havent I been using this?

[leaden turret]

because most of the stuff you've built so far would take longer to figure out how to disect as an efficient blueprint than it would to build manually

[leaden turret]

for reference: #off-topic-media message

[visual cosmos]

Is it possible to turn the full frame windows at a 90 degrees angle?

[lost wagon]

when you use a beam and you start to pull it to increase its size, can you reduce how much each of these step increase?

[unkempt blade]

yeah but that's why BPs are so fun 😆

[violet wave]

is overflowing nuclear usually the way to go?

[atomic notch]

youll want an isc block bluprint

make sure you got enough storage for a long time

[plush dawn]

i had the idea to drive tractors off of the map would it work

[atomic notch]

depends on how much waste youre making also trucks might be better

[plush dawn]

yeah i mispoke i forgot trucks were the name of the larger one

[atomic notch]

would be difficut to automate

also i dont even think it would work with the pathing physics they would just teleport back

[plush dawn]

i thought so.

backup idea: load like 20 trucks automatically and delete the floors every once in awhile

[heavy pine]

I'm planning to wait until I can make and sink plutonium fuel rods before I go nuclear.

[lost wagon]

the sad thing about blueprint manifold is that sometimes you want it to go on the opposite direction, so you need to have like 2 for each blueprint

we might get a "reverse belt/splitter/merger" feature in 2.0

[topaz shale]

Phase 4 is going to take me absolutely forever to get through.

[visual cosmos]

the higher the phase the longer it takes

arguably phase 5 can go decently fast

[heavy pine]

My first time fully through the game after 1.0 dropped was over 400 hours.

[visual cosmos]

200 for me

[topaz shale]

I am trying to plan out through the assembly director system recipe chain and that seems like hell. I'm using Satisfactory tools to help me decide on recipe alts but still, will take a lot of different stuff to make and will for sure need to have at least a train for plastic and rubber.

[visual cosmos]

first save was a mess

second was longer

[heavy pine]

That also included setting up a sizeable FICSMAS facility.

[plush dawn]

or maybe like a mirror feature for blueprints with no factories

[visual cosmos]

honestly i know people dont like it but i recommend automating the parts themselves, then putting them together as a one time thing

[heavy pine]

In my current game, I'm about 120 hours in and have just started phase 4. I've been distracted from setting up aluminum production.

[safe rose]

I’m sitting on 119.9 hours on my very first time playing ever. And am waiting on the last project part of phase 4 to finish. They take along time to make 100! lol

[visual cosmos]

im at phase 4 on 3rd save and i still havent actually automated smart platings

I did it on first 2 but honestly rn i just automated what's needed for it with large storage for them

[topaz shale]

I might end up doing that. I did that for phase 3 and it was fine. I was more thinking on automating the whole thing and whatever I end up not using will be sunk and thus a good source of tickets.

[visual cosmos]

supercomputers are a pain in itself

[heavy pine]

I think it's a good idea to automate as much of it as you can. Even if all you're doing is the stuff for phases 1 and 2, it saves a lot of waiting for those components so you can use them to make the higher tier components.

[lost wagon]

maybe, would be kinda annoying to use depending of the build instead of just reverting the belts

phase 4 is where you start to need to automate anyway, before that you can just have an assembler with the recipe and putting the materials there from time to time manually

[safe rose]

I wish there was a way to blueprint what you’ve already built. Like I automated modular frames before I unlocked blueprints. I wanted to BP my factory without rebuilding it

[heavy pine]

With the autoconnect feature, will belts connect to splitters/mergers or does it have to go belt-to-belt?

[lost wagon]

belt to belt

[visual cosmos]

belt to splitter would be hard since the game would need to figure out which entrance/exit you want to link to

[heavy pine]

Hmm. I'll have to edit my existing prints to include stubby belts for them to connect to each other.

[frozen cloud]

but phase 4 and phase 5 need smart plating as ingredient

[heavy pine]

Each tier of space elevator parts will need parts from the previous tier to craft them.

[visual cosmos]

i have a good 10-20k of the 2 resources needed for it

when i say i automate ingredient i mean anything that isnt a phase objective

i am automating literally everything else other than weapons

[hard ivy]

Fully automating space elevator parts is a waste of time unless you're doing it for the sink points or for fun

[visual cosmos]

i have the same mindset yeah

[topaz shale]

I could honestly have a lot of my phase 4 factories in the Northwest desert starting area.

[visual cosmos]

the desert has more or less everything

[peak wasp]

I think I need a megafactory dedicated to just screws

[visual cosmos]

you do not

[topaz shale]

And that is the only reason for why I'm doing it. Sink points are nice and so are the achievements. At the level of automation that I'm doing, since I'm automating for a single machine as the final output, might as well just have it built and slooped.

[visual cosmos]

that's arguably the worse way to handle screws lol

just make them locally, or use alt recipes

[peak wasp]

so just end product and overflow into storage?

[visual cosmos]

issue with screws is you need really large quantities at once, so having one big factory then belting or train to the loc doesnt work great

[frozen cloud]

trying to do mk5 space parts with a temporary base is a huge struggle imo
like you need smart platings->modular engines->thermal propulsion rockets->ballistic warp drives
and all those 3 steps have huge other requirements so you cant just put down a box

[topaz shale]

Screws are also extremely undense and thus needing to make a single factory for all of them makes little sense. Might as well ship in the iron for it than ship the screws.

[daring pawn]

if i built and filled a big enough battery bank... would i be able to jumpstart my massive fuel production before my grid dies?

[frozen cloud]

yes

[topaz shale]

As long as you are fast enough.

[visual cosmos]

if you think about it in another way, if you need to make parts from a previous phase for that phase, you arguably could've started that the moment you unlocked phase 4 :>

since you already made it previously

I havent done that yet,
maybe i should follow my own advice

welp

[frozen cloud]

xD

[visual cosmos]

i will do it eventually

also remember to sloop the whole process

makes life much easier

[topaz shale]

Since all of phase 3 was handfed, I don't really have any infrastructure made other than the base stuff like plastic and aluminum stuff.

Gotta make that factory big.

And phase 5, assuming it uses all the same parts from phase 4, will just be handfed.

[visual cosmos]

I mean as long as you automated the handfed stuff for phase 3, you can use the already existing infrastructure for phase 4
at least to some extent

phase 5 is painful ;-;

but yeah personally i'm automating stuff like supercomputers before going into phase 5

i already have 20 heavy modular frames for the fused later

[topaz shale]

What do you recommend me actually automate while in phase 4?

[visual cosmos]

everything :)

[frozen cloud]

if you havent
HMF computer
new stuff:
fused frames
supercomputer
turbomotor

[visual cosmos]

idk what you have so far but you will have to look more into caterium

which is fairly easy to handle to be fair

[topaz shale]

Yeah I could automate 1 machine's worth of the things needed to make the space elevator parts.

[peak wasp]

there is a pure node near my hub, amazing

[topaz shale]

Sloop whatever else and be good.

[visual cosmos]

dam

that's convenient

[frozen cloud]

2 normal nodes = 1 pure node

[topaz shale]

I think I have almost everything needed to make last phase's parts already automated including the heavy frames and computers and circuit boards. I could set up a factory that has chests where I can handfeed in the materials that are already being made in a factory. I don't want to set up a train system since a lot of my stuff is low volume and thus the space needed to have a train system is unneccesary.

[wise junco]

Your life is tremendously easier if you just automate everything

[peak wasp]

I spend so much time at my crafting bench in the hub

[frozen cloud]

good ballpark is to look at what buildings need
like blenders need computer HMF motor alu casing and you dont wanna hand craft everytime you place a building so automate those
for particel accelerators (phase 4s most advanced building) its turbo motor, supercomputer fused frames and cooling systems

[topaz shale]

I should have at least automated automated wiring...

[frozen cloud]

and even earlier
assemblers need rotors and reinforced iron plates so automate those in tier 1

[topaz shale]

This is actually the kind of thinking that I use when deciding on what I'll need to automate.

[red sun]

it's already automated you dingus

[topaz shale]

If only it were that easy...

Self replicating wiring

[red sun]

if only 😔

[frozen cloud]

handcrafted its called "manual wiring"

[plush dawn]

if only automatING wiring existed

[topaz shale]

I'm enjoying this run a lot more because of me not trying to automate every single elevator part in a new factory. That was why I got burnt out in the middle of phase 3 last run.

[plush dawn]

wires that make the factory FOR me

[daring pawn]

guys how do i align my water extractors im trying to make this look good

[olive trout]

How often does this game go on sale?

[fleet star]

every 3 mos or so

[dense violet]

at most seasonal sale events

so Summer and Winter

[fiery lotus]

oh nice iron wire is pretty nice

[shrewd palm]

i am so glad belt monitors were added

[feral geyser]

Which turbo motor recipe should I do

[shrewd palm]

having to troubleshoot everything at once i get this nuclear plant online would be awful

[wary perch]

I WANT A VENDIMG MACHINE FOR MY COFFEE CUP

[feral geyser]

Pull a foundation out over the water and make sure they line up with it

Hot tip: fit 5 extractors around a 5-foundation long wharf, then place those along a long pier. Tidy extractors.

[hollow turret]

from a hard drive should i get stitched iron plate or plastic smart plating which should i choose

[fleet star]

stitched iron plate

[hollow turret]

Question so right now my factory has everything in one big area would it be a smarter idea to make smaller factory's then have a train or a truck or a drone once i get them run though them delivering them to one big factory where I have whatever I need to work on there?
i just got phase 4

[fleet star]

don't worry about logistics too much until you get mk4 belts

[ivory condor]

For performance reasons it would be a smarter idea to spread your factory across the world

[hollow turret]

i have everything up to tier 7

[hollow turret]

ok

[fleet star]

ohhh wait phase 4

I was thinking tier 4

[ivory condor]

People keep on trying to build mega factory in one area, game has a hard time maintaining playability, kibitz for example has basically given up trying to do that, they tried it at least twice, once in grass field, once in dune desert-this one also didn't exactly work out

[fleet star]

yeah definitely not worth it

especially in factories that use fluids

I have like 5 medium-size factories and I'm about to finish the game

I also scatter the really basic parts so that they are not a part of main builds

[ivory condor]

i think it only really sort of worked in grass fields because that was before pipes was introduced, so basically update 2, i doubt that factory would work now given pipes are now in the game, it didnt work in dune desert at any rate, so i doubt grass field would change the results

[fleet star]

for me, a bigger factory includes the most advanced stuff, not just massive amounts of lower-level parts

those will never be in really high usage

I made the mistake in my last save of making 2400 RIP /min (pre-1.1 so I had to manually connect BPs) and I never used more than like 200 rip /min

[ivory condor]

also making a proper mega factory requires alot of planning, from the lower end parts to the higher end parts, also unless you already know the end numbers your working with it becomes harder to scale productions up, having factories spread out makes it much easier to scale up production later when you need to

[fleet star]

this save I still made 1200/min but only because I found a way easier way to do it

I also only ever use belts because other transports make me suspicious of the true throughput

[ivory condor]

in general unless your very experienced and know your end goal numbers, its best to just avoid mega factories and even then it can be risky because of performance reasons

[shrewd palm]

i dont know how trucks work but trains are fine with throughput as long as you make buffers

[fleet star]

belts are fun

[hollow turret]

#screenshots message yeah here is my messy base up to now

[shrewd palm]

i am very concerned about this nuclear plant im making

[fleet star]

I think I would use trains if they were free to operate. the appeal of belts is that they are 1. free to use after laying down resources once and 2. incredibly reliable

[shrewd palm]

maybe only 1/5-1/4 of the buildings i need and im already at 1/3 of my usual fps

and nothings even running yet

[fleet star]

ofc it wouldn't make lore sense if transport was free, but oh well

[shrewd palm]

they're just electricty

[fleet star]

yeah but belts are totally free

[ivory condor]

nuclear plants are complex, even now i never properly finished my nuclear setup....

[shrewd palm]

by the time you're using them i dont think the amount of power they need will be a problem

[topaz shale]

Are the pipe floor holes still bugged?

[fleet star]

that's free electricity I'm getting back by not using trains

[fleet star]

I wouldn't trust them

[shrewd palm]

i have no idea, i just clip them through the floor and then make a floor hole after for the aesthetics just to be safe

[fleet star]

just make them to get good lineups, then delete

[ivory condor]

trust me thats nothing and it can quickly become much worse later, especially if your trying to scale up production in the same factory area

[shrewd palm]

yeah im doing all the uranium

really complicated and its all gonna be in one biome

but the 630GW will be so nice

[fleet star]

I'm at 950/1000 on nuclear pasta for phase 5 rn

[shrewd palm]

i'll finally be able to play the game!!

[fleet star]

uh

why

[ivory condor]

I was lazy and went full rocket fuel in 1.0 instead

[fleet star]

on jod!!

[hollow turret]

yeah

[shrewd palm]

i do have a rocket fuel plant but its ugly and boring

im basically just gonna use the 200GW it makes to boot up the nuclear plant and then take it down

[fleet star]

200 to boot??

crazy low return on investment

I just set up 1,000 rocket fuel and let it run

I only ever needed like 50gw to beat the game, which really goes to 2 particle accels to make the pasta

[shrewd palm]

i dont think 200 would be enough for what i plan to do

[fleet star]

I have like 80gw total between rocket fuel and regular fuel

[hollow turret]

how effecitive is nitrofuel

[fleet star]

what is brawg designing

[shrewd palm]

my aluminum factory alone takes up like 50k or something

[fleet star]

wut

[shrewd palm]

all the aluminum my beloved

12000 bauxite to 12000 ingots

[fleet star]

do you just sloop/slug everything??

[shrewd palm]

never going to use all of that but ig the sink points are nice to have

[fleet star]

sink!?!?!?!?!??!

I was about to say, what would you even use allat for 😢

[shrewd palm]

if you think thats bad thats nothing

[fleet star]

😭

[shrewd palm]

there are people here that have made 200 warp drives/min just for sink points

[fleet star]

points CANNOT be worth that effort bruh

[hollow turret]

should i make a factory that just depeosits stuff into dimensional depot

[shrewd palm]

thats all factories ngl

i should use the depots more

[fleet star]

I have like 400 coupons produced in this save just from sinking excess RIP

[ivory condor]

only producing 8400/min rocket fuel

[topaz shale]

Fluids annoy me. I have exactly as many machines as I need and have the fuel going to them but the manifold still goes dry righ at the end and thus not having them run all the time. Even made sure to have them prefilled.

[shrewd palm]

i've probably made like 7 or 800 total but ive spent half of that since i have like no parts for the important buildings automated

[fleet star]

do you have the manifold vertically higher than the pipes that go into the input slots?

[shrewd palm]

no turbo motors, radio control units, fused frames, supercomputers

[fleet star]

I just temp-built till success on those

[topaz shale]

I don't. I thought that maybe it should be fine. I'll have to rebuild the pipes then if I need them to be higher.

[shrewd palm]

i used to have a couple of those automated but i took down the factories for 1.0 launch and havent gotten around to rebuilding them yet

[fleet star]

it usually helps to do that, especially considering if you have a line that reaches up to get to those machines so there's no backflow to the source

for every endgame or lategame part, I 250% and slooped it and that was good enough

9.38 supercomps.min? good enough. 15 cooling systems? good enough. etc

[topaz shale]

I do have a pump right after the buildings that makes the fuel so that does help with the backflow. I decided to redo the prefilling. It seems to have helped. It doesn't help that I had to remove the floor pipe and I think that was what was causing the issues.

Ok cool, prefilling did the trick.

[shrewd palm]

prefilling is gonna solve most issues with pipes, especially if they're fuel generator related

[topaz shale]

Nvm, looks like the other fuel generator module is now having the same issue. Time to raise the manifold!

I even made sure to prefill that one

[hollow turret]

true

[topaz shale]

Also, how do I make it so that 6 water extractors can fill 4 pipes evenly? I'm trying to run 1,600/min of water total but want to try to make it as even as possible since each set of blenders needs 400/min of water.

[atomic notch]

8 water extractors lol

[topaz shale]

Was trying to save on space, mostly but looks like doing that is causing problems.

Will have to rebuild the entire water line, though

[atomic notch]

Yeah id just run each set of blenders on their own supply

[shrewd palm]

3 extractors with one overclocked to 133.33% or 4 with one underlocked to 33.33% should do it in that case

per set of blenders*

[fleet star]

I'VE WON

[wicked nacelle]

Or just couple them all together and they’ll take the right amount. You don’t have to balance them they’ll do it themselves.

[fleet star]

game over

[atomic notch]

nice

[fleet star]

phase 5 ez

[topaz shale]

Or I could overclock to only needing 8 water extractors and just combine 2 of them together.

[fleet star]

time to play modded\

actually time to sleep bc I'm moving into college tomorrow :/

[atomic notch]

you could be playin modded but you decided to go to college for some reason

[fleet star]

true

I traded logistics game for logistics and management class

truly a trade of all time

[atomic notch]

actually? thats dope

[fleet star]

yeah accounting major

[shrewd palm]

gonna be playing satisfactory irl or something

[fleet star]

I'm taking logistics as a part of that

[atomic notch]

make amzon logistics better so my stuff arrives on time

[fleet star]

not enough production? just sloop the machines

factories can't wait to see me

the satis yearns for its factory

[topaz shale]

Also, the damn infinite nudge mod likes to change how I nudge based off of the building orientation instead of the player orientation so even though it is nice to rotate on another axis, it is damn near impossible to work with so may just uninstall that one.

[fleet star]

Don't use infinite nudge in 1.1 😕

[topaz shale]

Yeah even though it is compatible, it is just veyr hard to work with.

[topaz lava]

Near that you also took your satisfactory knowledge and applied it to real world jobs

I’ve had no problems with inf nudge so far, also haven’t used it pre 1.1 so idk what’s different, just seems buggy like any other mod is occasionally

[topaz shale]

Yeah it just makes nudging very difficult. If I rotate the part, it will change the directions it can be nudged in. As if the budging is realitive to the orientation of the part instead of the orientation of the player.

Ok now hopefully raising the pipes should fix the problem.

Train computers for the radio control units or just use the drones?

[shrewd palm]

if you're going for something thats under 3-400/min its probably better to use drones

if not then use trains

[shrewd palm]

or if its a one off item like if you need to get aluminum casings somewhere

but if you're getting a bunch of resources from one biome (like bauxite or something ig) trains are more better

imo trains are more convenient overall, but you dont want to have too many on your rail network

[topaz shale]

Since this is only for the radio control units, I might just go ahead and drone them around. I'm only going for around 5/min of radio control units so not needing a lot of stuff, anyways.

[shrewd palm]

yeah drones will be fine for that

[topaz shale]

Though I need the radio control stuff to even unlock the drones in the first place. Time to race for that.

I'll just make the factory for them but have chests as the inputs.

[crisp edge]

i just discovered a neat problem. i've been working on blueprints for the last 5 hours of gameplay or so, but i did a little on my desktop, a little on steam deck, and now a little on my laptop. imagine my surprise to find out that when i went to save my blueprint on my laptop, my previously created blueprints didn't exist. which i assume means that this one that i just made won't exist when i pick up my deck or boot up my pc game. what's the best course of action here, and why the heck don't blueprints persist on my account across devices

and of course i'm not talking about simple little blueprints, i'm talking about 1-2 hours of work per print figuring out a layout for whatever part i want to print out. i know i could just import other's blueprints or follow a guide but i really just wanted to do it on my own

[gritty sleet]

Do creatures that fall into the void die at some point, or do they just fall forever, clogging up my save slightly?

[topaz shale]

Spent the last 30 minutes or so remaking my fluid blueprints to have them raised so I won't have that damn issue again.

[fleet star]

All dead creatures respawn when you look away+are far away enough for the asset to vanish

However, there was a bug with tractors in the void at some point in dev, not sure if it's fixed but items in tractors might persist forever if you leave them to the void

People used to do that with nuclear waste and it would lag the game really hard

Like unplayable amounts of lag

[crisp edge]

was just watching a coffeestain dev reacts to LGIO playthrough where he mentioned this exact thing with nuclear waste trucks. sounded like they'd fixed it

[fleet star]

Oh ok

[gritty sleet]

Lol like get rid of waste by filling a truck and just driving it off a cliff? Out of sight, out of mind

[fleet star]

Yeah seems like a good idea but it broke the game

[dense violet]

not a bug, just vehicles don't have a despawn mechanic

[topaz shale]

And it is completely viable to basically use drones almost exclusively? I make isolated factories for a lot of the basic stuff and since I'm planning on only moving final products between factories and small rates, might as well use drones for that and maybe trains for moving around the map instead of hypertubes.

[dense violet]

sure. Just fuel them

[gritty sleet]

Not for anything that needs a high-throughput

[dense violet]

just add more drones

and high stack size helps high throughput

[gritty sleet]

In any case, trains are lot more fun imo. I only use drones for high-end stuff that only gets produced at low rates.

[cursive crane]

Someone give me motivation to work on my mapwide train line

[cosmic laurel]

my rocket fuel power plant is running however im struggling to get the blenders at 100% uptime because of the nitrogen, my station is always full and i added large buffers right after. i have each mk2 pipe connecting to 8 blenders so its right on the number, but the first 4 are at 100% uptime while the second 4 are only at 50%

[olive trout]

When i get my factory up and runnin yall are donezo

[split pewter]

how do i remove those jagged lines (#screenshots message)

[cosmic laurel]

ok i think the issue is actually being caused by the buffers, while they help to keep the flow going when i train is unloading, during normal operation when they arent full they only drain at a rate of 500

so should i not use buffers?

[ivory condor]

Looks like your gpu is dying

[split pewter]

it really isnt

[ivory condor]

Thats some low res poly meshes

Gpu isnt having a good day

[split pewter]

it got replaced recently (and it was always there)

i have everything on low except for anti-aliasing 😭

[ivory condor]

Dont worry im sure the gpu is trying to render these polygons, it just isnt going well

[split pewter]

ok then

praying thats the case

[ivory condor]

Im actually not sure what im looking at either

[ivory condor]

you sure you didn't uncover some super low graphics setting

could always try updating the graphics drivers and see if that helps

[split pewter]

ok theres definitely an issue with the model for my pc

its perfect when its being built but once its finished it just breaks

[sterile blade]

The latest #satisfactory-memes goes hard 🔥

[exotic pilot]

Hi chat

What’s happening today

Is there a better pipe than mk 2

[topaz lava]

Honestly this sounds like a fix to me, this sounds better than before imo, if I rotate something 10° right then straight back is no longer at 0° it’s at 10° and right would be 10° angle to the right as well

[exotic pilot]

What are poison rocks

[topaz lava]

The only issue I have had so far with it is with multiple miners on same node mod, keeps wanting to throw them on different elevations even if it’s on a foundation to start

[tropic juniper]

2 mark 2s

[exotic pilot]

What

[tropic juniper]

you run 2 pipes

[exotic pilot]

But if you split them then won’t each have 300

[tropic juniper]

hook different sources to each pipe

[exotic pilot]

So is there nothing that can produce more than 600/m

[dense violet]

oh there might be some stupid slooped overclocked machien that could output more. but that's dumb problem

[exotic pilot]

Ok

Also what are position rocks

Are those the tower things that fart

[dense violet]

yes. rocks with poison

[exotic pilot]

I was looking at faq and it said you can destroy them but I swear I’ve put like 20 nobelisks on them and they don’t break

[dense violet]

post u8 they can be broken by nobelisks, yes

[exotic pilot]

Sus

[cursive crane]

What.. the ticket he created? Or did I miss something lol

[faint reef]

fun fact: if you put like 30 9s into the wait for seconds in train schedule the game crashes

how did this bug get past early access lmao

how do i even report a bug?

[steady glade]

https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/

[faint reef]

i aint creating an account for that

[steady glade]

then you can pray they they read steam posts

[tropic juniper]

easy. its not a common thing to do on train schedules at all.

why would anyone test for that?

[tropic juniper]

how else do you figure you'd report a bug? you'd think they'd have an anonymous comment board? How well do you think that would go?

[faint reef]

i mean in factorio i can just connect with steam with one click and can post

[jovial zinc]

Note to self build up not down to avoid machine clipping through floors

[peak wasp]

good evening, pioneers, spaghetti & aesthetic enthusiasts

[tropic juniper]

guess its not that important of a bug then if you dont want to report it. literally no one has encountered it this entire time

[sterile blade]

No, just that. It's weird xD

[reef basin]

Factorio has bug report forum

[tame vortex]

On satisfactory, no matter which mod is installed, are the steam achievements kept?

[green fiber]

Mods dont affect achievements

Only advanced game settings affect them

[ivory condor]

What is even happening

[cedar vault]

hello people

[silk ocean]

I've decided that Rocket Fuel and Nuclear Power is possibly the nightmare of my life xD

[unkempt blade]

Out of curiosity what don't you like about rocket fuel so far? That felt significantly easier in my 1.0 playthrough compared to nuclear in pre1.0 saves

[silk ocean]

Nitric Acid plant and the entire logistics network, choice of location, all that kinda stuff xD

[unkempt blade]

ahh yeah that'll happen more as the game goes on 😆

more logistics and less-perfect spots the more items you need for something

[leaden turret]

remove spooders: no achievements for you
spooder booba: whatever floats your boat, I guess

cc <@&370483737957236737>

[silk ocean]

Well it partly involved constructing a global rail network, and like 2 weeks of work, just to move the materials in, and the nuclear plant I wanted to be self sufficient, which was days of work building the support network xD

[unkempt blade]

yeah nuclear I totally understand, I enjoyed it a lot as a logistics puzzle but it's for sure a lot of logistics and sub-items for the recipes to get there

rocket fuel still needed me to move some stuff but it was mostly raw materials (nitrogen, sulfur) that had a relatively easy production chain on-site at the rocket fuel plant

[glass seal]

Looking for someone who can help me with train signals, iam watching tutorials but i just cant get the hang of this, would be great if we could hop on a call and maybe join my world

[silk ocean]

The whole situation is a nightmare and then I get hit by a drone on the hoverpack XD It's a gigantic factory of nightmares, I'm losing control of what is where xD

[fluid sapphire]

make a post in #1038092680493801533 with screenshots and diagrams

[glass seal]

ok

[unkempt blade]

If you've unlocked signs in the awesome shop I like using those a lot to mark what's getting made in different chunks of the factory. Helps me keep it all straight especially if it's a more than one session kind of build

[silk ocean]

Well I put a screenshot to illustrate the tiny fraction of the base xD

[unkempt blade]

What really helped me understand trains was doing a new save with mods on (now you'd probably just use AGS) and just setting up a bunch of train stuff with no-cost and flying mode on so I could do it all quickly. A few contrived experiments went a long way for me

[fluid sapphire]

looks disorienting alright

[silk ocean]

I'll probably get a dronestrike in a second, hovering like this xD

[unkempt blade]

That looks pretty good! You seem like you're keeping it all pretty organized

[silk ocean]

Thanks, it doesn't feel like it xD

[unkempt blade]

I think the sign suggestion + maybe leaving a little more space than you think you need between sections might help a little but but overall that looks really goood

really compact builds are a little harder for me to keep track of

[silk ocean]

I built newer sections to a more "modern standard", another screenshot xD

Signs are a good idea yea xD

[unkempt blade]

yeah I think that second one is probably much easier to troubleshoot while you're building it

[silk ocean]

For sure xD

[unkempt blade]

the other thing I'll do on some large scale builds is color code my areas so I can see where they start/stop like #screenshots message

[silk ocean]

Seems like a good idea xD

I've basically accepted that my life is now a hellscape of dronestrike doom in a gigantic factory that I have partially lost track of xD

[unkempt blade]

one of us! one of us! 😆

[fluid sapphire]

what fucking idiot built 200 constructors when what was needed was 200 smelters

me, it was me

[silk ocean]

Is this a server I guess xD

[fluid sapphire]

nope, just me

[silk ocean]

two hundred constructors xD

[fluid sapphire]

for some reason it made sense to me that i would make ingots from scrap... in constructors

[boreal musk]

not my ass belting 2km of copper ore instead of caterium

[sleek delta]

is the caterium nearby at least

i.e. can you just empty out the belt and at least the work isn't wasted

[boreal musk]

its mk1 belt btw

[fluid sapphire]

at least upgrading the belt is quicker than building froms scratch?

[boreal musk]

nah im playing sf+, everything are hella expensive here

[silk ocean]

two hundred constructors, how long did this take xD

[hard ivy]

Oops all screws? Or did they change that since I last played?

[boreal musk]

pretty much everything use screws

[silk ocean]

Was this manifold or balancer design xD

[fluid sapphire]

idk, an hour? it was mostly the replacement of some mergers with belts that took time, and belting in the resources

[silk ocean]

1 hour to build 200 constuctors xD

[fluid sapphire]

well, im making it quicker now

[reef basin]

ah, that's the "learn that there's nothing wrong with screws" mod 🙂

[silk ocean]

Including the belts and logistics and support network? xD

[fluid sapphire]

i did a lot of unnecessary manual labor in addition to placing them, im gonna bake that into the blueprint now

well, its part of my aluminum factory

[silk ocean]

Foundations, and everything to make it operational

[ivory condor]

Just dont use to many unique signs in the same factory, ideally aim for the least amount of unique signs as you can

[fluid sapphire]

well, no, the floor already existed, sure, but its not operational in that sense, this is a work in progress project

[silk ocean]

So it's basically 200 unconnected Constructors, you just plopped them down on a gigantic area? xD

I can believe an hour to do that xD

[boreal musk]

wont be much of a pain if you bp those

[fluid sapphire]

its these, on the left
#screenshots message

[silk ocean]

Blimey xD

You are on another level to me xD

[fluid sapphire]

im gonna leave the resource belts intact, just place new blueprint with smelters instead

this is the wildest project i have done probably, this mess of belts and pipes is largely unnecessary, just for the meme

i could have merged a lot of them

i had to stick with the theme, i have 110 lifts and separate belts going up to feed iron for all my refineries xd
#screenshots message

[silk ocean]

Bloomin' heck xD

Makes my fac look like a peasant facility xD

[fluid sapphire]

all in the name of efficient (tm) trains

not at all, i think this is very soupy, what i have here

it looks a lot bigger than it normally would be, because of the several dozen kilometers of pipes and conveyors

[silk ocean]

I think I have definitely confirmed that I am a peasant and getting hit by drones and generally being useless and a failure seems like a suitable decision XD

[fluid sapphire]

dont be ridiculous, i feel the same way about my world xd

second guessing almost everything i do

[silk ocean]

I was only kidding, but yours looks impressive xD

[fluid sapphire]

its an unfinished skeleton of a project xd

i am nearly burnt out, but at least all of the more annoying stuff is almost done

thats what i get for wanting to make all the aluminum i imagine i will need for this playthrough (4500 per min) , all in one spot, all while using probably one of the more time consuming options for dealing with the waste water

now i just plop down 25 of these and bob is my uncle
#screenshots message

[silk ocean]

Yea I spent like 2-3 days working on that, and reading the plumbing manual xD

Refy's? xD

Oh, on closer inspection, Smelters? xD

[fluid sapphire]

yes

25*8 smelters with everything already connected, just daisy chain the power for the 25 blocks and boom, all done

aaand its done

if i count the 10 million train stations i had to build for this then its been much longer than 3 days

[regal lantern]

I reckon Satisfactory is going to cost my sanity some day

Fixing some janky problems with some setups gets crazy

[ivory condor]

Indeed I have already lost all sanity

[silk ocean]

I think I have lost all sanity xD

[regal lantern]

I am on the way

And the worst part, it's probably my decisions leading to it all

[little goblet]

Any tips for building a Train network capable of harvesting every resource node in the game? I want to build 3 independent networks, one for ores and regular items, one for byproducts and crucial items so that they do not get backed up and one for my nuclear power plant, I don't want anything shutting my power down. Is this a good idea?

[dense violet]

mostly?
don't.

you can't use all the resources anyway, youre computer will catch on fire before yo ucan do that

make train lines to areas you make factory hubs. Otherwise your train lines will dicatate your factories, instead of hte other way around

[ivory condor]

Of course that's what happened to me

[shadow edge]

hello i am quite new to the game

how can I use 3 resource nodes to produce project items (smart plating n stuff)

iron nodes pure

[dense violet]

set a goal on final output, work backwards. Break it down from there

[shadow edge]

oh ok

[reef basin]

generally I wouldn't recommend "building a train network"

train network is imo better to be "built" by just doing one line at a time and integrating them into the existing ones, rather than building the whole (or majority) of the network in advance before knowing where and how many trains will go

[little goblet]

That sounds smart, but wouldn't it be easier if you had something like a round trip around the map that goes to the main locations, so that the process of building these tracks would be significantly easier?

[reef basin]

no, direct A to B are better than "round trip"

[slate python]

Welcome back to joes sanity show where we review children loosing there sanity. On today’s show we have a special guest JetStar!!!! (I don’t want to write anymore)

[nimble delta]

i just did 20 refineries to 40 fuel generators and 600 oil in. Am I understanding correctly itll flucuate a bit in the start as the first few fuel generators gets filled with fuel and then it'll stablize or is it bad it flucuate even now?

[regal lantern]

My latest reason for losing sanity is a belt moving 1200 packaged oil to unpackage it and it backs up containers for no reason

[unkempt blade]

counterpoint: global train networks are their own reward because they bring me a lot of joy seeing trains zooming around everywhere

[regal lantern]

Depends how your pipes are set up

[unkempt blade]

as far as vanity projects go, A+, would recommend global trains

[dense violet]

yeah if you've laid the pipe poorly you could have back flow

[nimble delta]

back flow?

[dense violet]

fluids flow both ways, pipes aren't belts

[nimble delta]

OH

they arent in a loop

[cunning glade]

Would I be able too use trucks too bring steel from a steel factory too my main factory too make framework and automated wiring

[nimble delta]

they very much like in branching system

[dense violet]

yeah don't branch fluid manifolds

[dense violet]

sure? its a type of logistic

[nimble delta]

i dont think i understand pipes anymore then LOL

or maybe branch is the wrong word

[cunning glade]

Ight well I wasn't sure how reliable they were or how much the can move and wanna get phase 2 done of space elevator then prolly start too branch out more I'm guessing

[dense violet]

show some overhead images of what you're doing in #math-and-meta

[reef basin]

my point isn't "don't build global train network"
my point is "don't build global train network directly, instead build it over time and grow it organically"

[shy mulch]

I learned that the hard way, but I'm actually glad I did, it was a good learning process

I built a global rail circuit, and took branches off it to various things that I needed. Ended up with so many branches they all meet up and I barely need the original loop now

[unkempt blade]

ooh yeah we're definitely not recommending the same thing then 😆

[cursive totem]

i vaguely remember that one should not immediately chose alternate recipes when decoding a hard drive but i cant quite remember the reason?

[regal lantern]

If the recipes are bad/not the ones you want, you won't be offered them again on other hard drives

[cursive totem]

aaaahh

[regal lantern]

Until you accept one of the two

[dense violet]

eh, pick anything you feel is useful. You're never locked out of them

[shy mulch]

yes, generally. But if the player doesn't like either of the 2 options, leave them there rather than just "pick one anyway, why not". Because leaving them there prevents them showing up in other hard drives you scan later

[dense violet]

can always reroll?

[shy mulch]

can reroll once