satisfactory

[dense violet]

why? you could use it for unlocks

[storm talon]

Broken. lol

[ionic forge]

What can I unlock with it, im like barely making steel rn

I also found computers among other things

[chrome orbit]

and i am getting rid heavy oil residue by turning it into petroleum coke and then putting it in a coal power plant

[dense violet]

milestones in the future?

just sink random crap youre making now and slooped dna stuff

[storm talon]

You can get plenty of the sink through just basic resources.

While I'm building the rest of the factory all my iron parts are getting sinked and I've unlocked a ton of stuff, maybe more than half of everything in the awesome shop

[frozen cloud]

yup
unless you got 50 but even them imo, need to make them eventually anyway

[burnt ferry]

when you look at your interface while looking into the config of a refinery or something that can have fluids in its in or outputs, then you can drag those fluids to a trashcan icon to delete it.. also each and every fluid thing has a way to flush the buffers into the void.. so apparently fluid deletion is not an issue in this game.... solid deletion is, to give you a problem to solve with nuclear waste 😂

[dense violet]

you also need those sorts of thigns to unlock drop pods

[storm talon]

Oof.

[slate python]

Why not use bounce pads

[burnt ferry]

lul

[storm talon]

@slate python Not as funny

[slate python]

Oh

[storm talon]

Wait.

[slate python]

It would kind of be tho

A bean bouncing everywhere

[storm talon]

@slate python I wonder if bounce pads can be made to go straight up

If so I think my end goal will be making a bean bouncy pit for them.

[slate python]

And then perfectly land it on a flying thing

[burnt ferry]

the best thing to be done with bouncepads is to ignore them 😂

[slate python]

Ya

[storm talon]

Yeaaaah they're kinda useless

[slate python]

But bean fun

[burnt ferry]

bean? as in flickin the bean? i dont follow

[storm talon]

Tick-giraffe things.

[burnt ferry]

tick giraffe?

🧐

[steady glade]

beeg boi

[storm talon]

The big whale looking thing on stilts that walks around and gets in the way.

Factory inspectors.

[burnt ferry]

that annoying fauna you cant prevent from respawning.. gotcha

i would like it if it would drop massive amounts of alien remains after killing

picked up beanflicker remains (+332)

[onyx siren]

Did yall know you can revive eachother if you don't press respawn? Cuz I had no idea until now

[burnt ferry]

im more concerned in killing the ther players 😂 like not all the time but eventually to troll them

[gilded goblet]

guys i'm gonna try figuring out nuclear power

aka i'm gonna automate what I need to so I dont have to hand craft the shit for reactors

[ionic forge]

molded steel beams or iron alloy ingot

[storm talon]

Aren't molded steel beams the ones that don't require coal?

If so, get those. Will simplify early game.

[ionic forge]

no

molded beams need steel ingots and concrete for steel beams

i rerolled and got steel screws so ig thats better

[limber crag]

Unrequested Advice: figure out your plans for waste and build backwards from there. ☢️

[gilded goblet]

yea thats what ima do

i'll just do plu rods and sink them

but that'll be after I decide I'm automating SC and HMF

[noble topaz]

whats the best way to get rid of liquids, such as byproducts from rubber manufacturing

[storm talon]

Apparently, just deconstructing the reservoir.

[noble topaz]

what

[muted radish]

depense on the byproduct u get

[vagrant oar]

reusing them, or coal gens if it's water and you have coke/coal nearby

[noble topaz]

heavy oil residue

[vagrant oar]

fuel

[muted radish]

make fuel and burn it

[vagrant oar]

or iirc you can make more plastic/rubber from fuel with alts

[noble topaz]

or just sink it 🤑

[vagrant oar]

you can't sink liquids

[noble topaz]

i mean sinking the coal stuff

[vagrant oar]

oh coke

[placid stirrup]

snort it

[noble topaz]

[placid valley]

I got bored so I worked out the speed you travel on each of the belts: MK1 4km/h, MK2 9km/h, MK3 19km/h, MK4 35km/h, MK5 56km/h, and MK6 88km/h. I rounded up the nearest whole number.

[agile grotto]

Do particle accelerators not have a yellow/red/green/white light?

[dense violet]

process them into things.
or HOR? probably just make petro coke and sink it

[dense violet]

they should

[noble topaz]

HOR?

[dense violet]

heavy oil residue

[agile grotto]

I must not be seeing it. They have decorative lights that turn on when powered but I didn’t see the status indicator light.

[limpid cairn]

Guys

Do I unlock more stuff while researching hard drives or do I not unlock them for now so I have better chances of getting one alt recipe out of them

[distant badge]

How much sloshing will this cause? It's a 6:6 AA (any-to-any) pipe balancer. Yes, I need one.
#screenshots message

[modest solstice]

You know that security camera in the Hub? There should totally be a Portal reference if you zap it

[topaz lava]

Am I able to turn a world I already made in assumingly single player into a multiplayer server?

[distant badge]

Yep! No clue how, though.
Fun fact: The game handles your singleplayer world as a multiplayer world with eternally 1 player, iirc, so you can get funny bugs where you client desync from your own computer

[boreal musk]

retaliate mode is still as broken as always

[elder valley]

uhh what

[fluid sapphire]

Why on earth do you think you need such an abomination

[elder valley]

i accidentally duped my soomersloops

[modest solstice]

save and load again, might be a ghost item

[elder valley]

nope, i got 21 sloops now

[modest solstice]

lmao nice

[elder valley]

and i only collected 8

well im not complaining

[noble topaz]

yoo check your mutual servers

[fluid sapphire]

I remember when CSS graciously decided to give many of us extras with not just one, but two patches

[modest solstice]

Based

[limpid cairn]

Yo drop the Methode

[steady glade]

no cheating talk here

[elder valley]

ive got no idea honestly

[sick dragon]

Trying modular stations mod. Not sure i like it if I have multiple stations in line since it seems it would cause a backlog of some sort(eg 4 stations on one line but the trains would have to wait for trains at stations ahead to get into their own

[limpid cairn]

It was more of a joke Tbf, there’s no real point in duping stuff in satisfactory

[elder valley]

also it doesnt even work anymore im so confused

wtv

[vast ivy]

damn it! 300 hours in and i just found right-alt to cycle hotbar

[distant badge]

I'm exporting all of the oil on the West Coast by 3-4 train stations (3-4 cars each) and need to re-distribute the oil between them, especially since I'm not sure how much each train will use since I haven't decided what I'm going to do with the oil yet - one might export 1k per min and another 900.

[fluid sapphire]

Well, I would advise you to figure it out and design your pipes in a simpler way, I suspect your contraption will lead you to pain and suffering and eventually rebuilding anyway

[tropic juniper]

There is a better way. If you're using that many valve's you're doing it wrong

[steady glade]

ye i rebound that shit way later ]

[tropic juniper]

rethink your station offloading too

[distant badge]

I know it's probably a bad idea (I even have a packager loop to get all the oil into the redistributor), but I'm doing it for the sake of the lolz

[vast ivy]

here i've been changing my one hotbar all the time depending what i'm doing. this is going to be way better

[tropic juniper]

luls are usually like "hahaha" not just time wasting

[distant badge]

Just curious if it would work
Because my next question is what if I vary the input headlift by 10-15m and then also build this thing upside down, mounted to the roof.
Because that's where it's supposed to go lol

[fluid sapphire]

I still don't get what it's even supposed to do if it's 6 in and 6 out

[distant badge]

It's AA, so if pipe 1 is 100/min and pipe 2 is 480/min it will mix them so the output has a maximum of 580/min (so I can have two outputs of 290, or 500/80, etc). I use AA balencers in most factories I build where I'm not sure what I'm doing with the output, so that way I can connect a belt and just walk away compared to tracking down how much it's producing.

[fluid sapphire]

Pipes are not belts

[distant badge]

Yes, but in this case I need to make sure the trains are able to accept anything in a range, not just a fixed '240 into this car,' because I might plug that car into a 120 system and walk off

Like I said, for the lolz. It doesn't work, I have the stations right next to this thing and I just have to track the trains.

[fluid sapphire]

I don't get why you just don't plan ahead a bit but sure, try it

Like if you are transporting all of it, why do you need to account for variation

It's linear output

[distant badge]

Not all to the same location
I know I want ~300 in the Rocky Desert, for example, but not all of the oil.

But yeah, this is mostly 'Hey, I heard fluid trains suck. Let's use them!'

[fluid sapphire]

If you set your trains to only leave when fully loaded, the arrangement in which you load your platforms literally doesn't matter

[distant badge]

I did not consider that.

[fluid sapphire]

That's the most efficient way to set up a train

[distant badge]

Oops

[fluid sapphire]

As long as you have enough buffers to buffer your total output between however many trains you need, you are covered

Split it to wherever you want with as many trains as you want

As long as you don't exceed total output

No need for complicated contraptions 😉

[distant badge]

Well
At this point I need to see it in action so I'm going to creative world test it anyway
But thanks for the much simpler solution

[fluid sapphire]

[elder valley]

is it true that its bad to use a pipe at its max flow rate

[fluid sapphire]

Mk1 pipes can handle 300 just fine, mk2 can be moody

Very picky about how you design your system

I tend to split my oil extractor outputs into two, maybe it's superstitious but it works, elsewhere I just try to design so I stay well below 600

Hasn't failed me yet

[elder valley]

i had a perfectly matched oil plant and it was being very weird

last 2-3 power machines keep going down to 0

[fluid sapphire]

Previous blocks of machines that feed those, stay at 100%?

[tropic juniper]

i always make the intake pipes into a loop with a valve on the input side of the loop. it seems to solve all behavior problems

[elder valley]

yeah

its fuel unpackagers, they all had fuel and outputs werent blocked

[elder valley]

wdym

[fluid sapphire]

I do something similar - my layouts are typically mirrored on the input side, and are looped together at the end

Valves are not necessary

[feral geyser]

I've never had problems with mk2 pipes

My pipe problems have always been caused by something else

[fluid sapphire]

If they really are consistently at 100 it suggests either manifolds not full, or math error

[frail sleet]

A lot. That design is really not good though. You can essentially make a buffer/crosslink with 6 inputs, 6 outputs and some connections in between and it will balance with sloshing (best use 2/3 of pipe capacity at most)

[tropic juniper]

#off-topic-media message red is the valve. i only use a valve to prevent any kind of sloshing out of the loop

[finite grove]

Is it just a cannon event that we ALL end up placing our hub the first time on the edge of that tiny cliff with the 2 iron nodes that spawn closest to us when we start?

[tropic juniper]

no. there are different start locations

[fluid sapphire]

If your pipes are full, I can almost guarantee you that valve isn't doing anything

I have an identical setup without valves and it works fine

[tropic juniper]

thats the intake loop, where it's getting consumed. the pipe won't be full then

[fluid sapphire]

They will fill up eventually

[finite grove]

Well fair enough. But for whoever starts at the grassy plains (or whatever its called) area do right? I ended up doing it, my friend ended up doing it and even Josh from let'sgameitout did

[tropic juniper]

if the plants aren't producing then it doesn't matter

[fluid sapphire]

Not sure I follow

[feral geyser]

I like to find that clump of three normals with the two impure limestones and some copper nearby. But really, I like starting in one of the deserts

[tropic juniper]

the pipe wont fill up if the plants are consuming the contents. whats not to follow

[finite grove]

I see

[fluid sapphire]

Idk man, in my experience pipe manifolds end up saturating the same way belt manifolds do

But it does help if you help it along

[last jackal]

Valves are notoriously known to do nothing.

[feral geyser]

You guys are literally insane

They prevent backflow

[last jackal]

Not in the way that it's hoped to.

[feral geyser]

How are you using them that they do not?

[fluid sapphire]

Haven't had an issue with backflow ever really?

[last jackal]

I don't. There is genuinely no use for valves.

[feral geyser]

I use valves, for example, on my aluminum blenders.

They consume and produce water, so I want all that water to stay in their loop, but they also need an extra 10/min/blender

[distant badge]

Update: It works.
Somehow.
To be fair, I don't have enough fluid to run it at full capacity (5/6 lines only)
But it works
(I moved the wraparound pipe below to help reduce sloshing)

[feral geyser]

So you put a valve on the pipe that feeds into their loop so that a) water stays in it, and b) you can control the inflow to it

[last jackal]

I don't see why you need a valve for that. A saturated pipe will not have issues there.

[sick dragon]

i also use valves on my aluminum setup to control how much goes into the loop. a valve does not do nothing. it can do what a vip junction can

[feral geyser]

It will, because it will push too much water into the loop and then they won't be able to empty the water tank in the machine.

[last jackal]

Isn't that an issue of overproduction?

[feral geyser]

No

The extra water they do receive is recycled from other process, so I can't turn that down on its own.

[last jackal]

Consider reading that.

[feral geyser]

Okay? Not really relevant

[last jackal]

the valve is sometimes used by people to "prevent backflow"

This is literally you.

[feral geyser]

Where in my description of my actual use case did I mention backflow?

[last jackal]

valve on the pipe that feeds into their loop so that a) water stays in it,

You are stopping the water from flowing back, towards the sources. This is pretty much exactly what preventing backflow is.

[feral geyser]

Yes, and "it does prevent backflow from one end of valve to another"

Which is what im doing with it

[last jackal]

it does not prevent backflow in any other pipe sections

[feral geyser]

Irrelevant for my use case

So in other words, it does what I said and what I need

Don't be salty just cuz you dont know how to use them/prevent backflow in other ways

[last jackal]

I'm not salty. I'm rather the one who said I never had a need for them in the first place.

[sick dragon]

I use it more to limit inflow into a system not necessarily backflow unless I went really high with it. But in that case I usually use a pump

[feral geyser]

No, you said they have "no use."

That's false

[last jackal]

I don't. There is genuinely no use for valves. is exactly what I said.
I said "I don't." Right there.

I simply, never found a use for valves once I got around to setting pipes up after my initial nonsense of spaghetti.

[placid valley]

Counterpoint: I think they look cool

[last jackal]

I kinda use buffers because they look cool ngl.

[sick dragon]

You just quoted yourself saying there is genuinely no use

[feral geyser]

Some people...

[dense violet]

they in fact, don't

[last jackal]

Because there simply is no use lol.

[dense violet]

they prevent individual units of fluid from crossing behind. NOT the same thing

[feral geyser]

Just stop, you will not change my mind

[sick dragon]

At least dont contradict yourself then

[feral geyser]

Be technical and hairsplitting all you want

[last jackal]

I didn't contradict anything about what I said.

[dense violet]

can't stop you from being wrong I guess

[cursive crane]

My favorite part of using valves is how much it a c t i v a t e s valve haters every time the word appears on their screen

[dense violet]

it's not technical.
fluid will bounce back from the front of a valve knocking fluid behind them

[feral geyser]

Never experienced that

[dense violet]

so while the unit of fluid can't travel backwards, the knock back effect does

making them not prevent backflow

[feral geyser]

I intentionally don't paint my valves the same color as the pipes so you can see them.

[dense violet]

you would need infinite valves at every single point along the pipe, and maybe not even then

[dense violet]

that's because valves tend to just do nothing

[feral geyser]

I think the problem is

Y'all are literally insane

[cursive crane]

I intentionally paint other peoples the same as the rest of their pipes so they will never find them. We are not the same

[dense violet]

that you refuse to admit youre wrong?

they are, also, pointless for flow restriction. As the machine consumption rates will do that

[placid valley]

Do you pave over resource nodes and slap the miner or leave them open? And am I weird that I leave them open and try to make it look nice?

[feral geyser]

Show me the setup in which this happens, with it happening, and I will reconsider

[feral geyser]

I leave them open

[dense violet]

I don't have any on hand because I don't use valves, but it's very well recorded, even in the pipe manual

[feral geyser]

Diabolical

[last jackal]

I don't pave anything. I throw things on the unpaved ground :P

[sick dragon]

"
I don't. There is genuinely no use for valves."

"Because there simply is no use lol."

So what you didn't say these things and then try to claim you didn't say that?

[dense violet]

There's absolutely no reliable use for valves it's true.

except for water towers but they are dumb and I don't recognize them

[sick dragon]

My social skills need work then I guess

Eh water towers have some irl functionality

[stone python]

theres tons and tons of examples of it happening already in screenshots from over the years. People have complained about it for years in this discord

[sick dragon]

Bend a tube full of water and youll see it in action

[dense violet]

they're basicalyl an exploit and... you can do the same thing with a pump. Just dumb. But they generally won't break anything at least

[fluid sapphire]

Both? #screenshots message

[last jackal]

I consistently said valves have no use and I don't use them either. And never had a use for them as well.

[dense violet]

here, the diagram for valve back flow. #math-and-meta message

[sick dragon]

I dont consider it an exploit. It functions like a hydraulic ram pump

[dense violet]

except there's no water to put 'pressure' going forward.

mechanically there's no flow so nothing should happen

[sick dragon]

Sure but do you expect the devs to mimic everything?

[cursive crane]

Discord not linking to it correctly, could you post it in #screenshots ?

[stone python]

it links just fine

[dense violet]

to not make it dumb and essentially an exploit? yes

and it's a bunch of extra work. For a pump.

[sick dragon]

Adds unnecessary mechanics to an already complicated system

[dense violet]

that's pretty much why it doesn't matter. Let people be 'lazy' and do extra work

[feral geyser]

Water towers are a thing in real life though, what's wrong with that?

[sick dragon]

Water towers themselves dont act like they do in satisfactory though

[dense violet]

the water towers in game that people make have valves set to 0 so no flow, thus shouldn't have head lift

it's just something that's really silly and pointless

[cursive crane]

I mean... close enough for suspension of disbelief

[dense violet]

but people think they are pulling a fast one or something because they don't have to spend the power on a pump

[rigid glen]

Water towers don't need a valve or anything, it just sets the highpoint of the system and makes everythihng below it behave better

[sick dragon]

Honestly to me if you saying woo I saved power on a pump for that you have other problems to sort out first lol

[dense violet]

look, I don't get it. some people's brains are weird and like 'getting away with things'

if they mechanically did something over pumps I'd get it.

[fluid sapphire]

Water towers are some of the most pointless contraptions of all time

[stone python]

🍿

[feral geyser]

That makes sense, but also doesn't line up with experience, so i guess i'd have to see it happening.

[sick dragon]

I guess I kinda do mini towers of sorts. If im traveling things vertically I still like to feed machines from above and ill put a buffer above the machines but not at the sky or anything

[dense violet]

but at least they won't break anything

[fluid sapphire]

True

[dense violet]

that's because in general valves won't do anything in a system. You keep it flooded and you won't notice they exist. They can have weird behaviours though if pipes arent full so basically just exist as an extra point of failure

[sick dragon]

Otherwise eat the miniscule power cost use a pump call it a day

[dense violet]

Mcgalleon has said that he's experienced putting valves on every machine input in a manifold and just in front of a manifold and has replicated the effect of a loop. But not nearly as reliably in situations

Since it's not nearly as reliable I'm not interesting in seeing in what situations it will work and will just use loops

[sick dragon]

Keep the pipe full and you never really have any issues

[last jackal]

But if the pipe is full, why do you need a valve.

[dense violet]

well... with high flow you can have extra issues

[dense violet]

backflow from manifolds. It's also what looping the manifold helps manage

[feral geyser]

To prevent stuff leaving -_-

[dense violet]

but it's less reliable than loops so ... eh

[sick dragon]

Or to manage external.inflow into a loop(eg aluminum umbrella refineries)

[dense violet]

you mean direct feeding waste into fresh?

[sick dragon]

Yes. My aluminum refineries for rcus for example i send the water back to the refineries and have a valve set to.input what the waste water doesn't fill. No issues with it

Back i news to go to bed

[stone python]

you can just do this with a rotated junction. avoids valves all togetehr

[sick dragon]

Too.many spelling errors

[dense violet]

eh, if you like gambling. Use a powered pump instead

direct feeding isn't something I recommend, but if you do, pump rather than valve. Better odds

[sick dragon]

Why do I need to make pipes fancy and complicated when I can slap 1 piece on it

[stone python]

is a pipe junction not 1 piece?

[dense violet]

VIPs are probably more reliable than any direct feed systems

[stone python]

or did it magically morph into more than that recently

[sick dragon]

I guess im confused on what you mean by junction here

[dense violet]

I'm assuming they mean a VIP

[sick dragon]

I was thinking you might have meant like a vip junction

[dense violet]

but could be wrong

[stone python]

yes, you just rotate the junction on an extisting pipe so its a +

[sick dragon]

Doesn't a vip junction have to be vertical to function correctly

[stone python]

when a junction is in the up position, it has prioroty on its inputs

[sick dragon]

Like pipes on top of.one another to merge at the bottom

Right so a vip junction is what you are thinking

[stone python]

yes

call it whatever you want

[sick dragon]

Again why make a fancy junction when I can slap a valve to limit freshwater intake into the system

[stone python]

for the other downsides of a valve

why even risk it

[sick dragon]

Which i haven't seen yet

[fluid sapphire]

Meanwhile me, making 7000 iron and 3000 copper ingots with my waste water

[dense violet]

because it's not nearly as reliable

[sick dragon]

Im.one of the lucky few people who rarely has problems with fluids tbh. And when I do have issues it's because I did something silly lol

[dense violet]

and breaks easily

[exotic pilot]

what is up everyone

[stone python]

not the pioneers moral

[sick dragon]

Some also just make wet concrete and sink the concrete

[exotic pilot]

Huh

[fluid sapphire]

I considered that, but it seemed pointless, figure I could put these to use at least

I need to make some motors, eventually some ficsite and copper powder anyway

[sick dragon]

I plan on using leached for my ingot factory. Right now I gotta get the stations up in the desert to harvest the nodes

[exotic pilot]

Is there any reason for limestone other than concrete

[fluid sapphire]

Cloudy diamonds maybe?

[sick dragon]

Think ill stick to pure on the copper though. Uses 3 times as much sulfur for some ungodly reason

[tropic juniper]

theres so many water sources. i found it easier to just make the useful stuff at better locations

[fluid sapphire]

Well, I can ship off whatever is left over, or still sink it

[sick dragon]

Still trying to decide if I do separate trains or one giant train for moving the ore to my ingot factory... is there a downside if a train is 12 cars long besides you know.... space?

[fluid sapphire]

Probably not

[dense violet]

cheap silica?

[fluid sapphire]

Sure, that too

[sick dragon]

Encased beams

Hmf alt

[topaz lava]

Thank you good to know, I’ll try to figure this out, working on a new world after my last playthrough, wanna have everything in the desert

[fluid sapphire]

My trains typically have 8 cars (queues seem long enough as is, sometimes)

[sick dragon]

Rule of cool also is something to consider

[fluid sapphire]

For sure

[sick dragon]

I smelt caterium onsite and have them fetched via drones instead of using pure recipes so

Because i like drones. And it makes sense there

[fluid sapphire]

Ah, I can't wait to have my drones zipping around, still need to actually finish my aluminum factory for that

[exotic pilot]

Guys is there a problem with spaghetti it’s beautiful

[sick dragon]

I just finished decorating my power plant that uses refined power turbines and also.makes 600 packaged rocket fuel for.my drones too so. Right now i need to get the drones placed at other sulfur nodes and caterium nodes mainly

[sick dragon]

Blasphemy

[exotic pilot]

Huh

[sick dragon]

Food spaghetti is beautiful. Belt spaghetti is not 😛

[fluid sapphire]

Spaghetti can be orderly

[exotic pilot]

Nuh uh opposite

[fluid sapphire]

That should power a lot of drones, I am going to package the same amount

[exotic pilot]

I’m working on the first phase 1 item and tried making it neat but ended up spaghetti bc it made me feel so much better

[sick dragon]

Numbers lined up nice and neat with 360 oil as well

[fluid sapphire]

I siphon mine off my powerplant

[sick dragon]

I still have 2 untouched oil nodes in the crater lol. My 800 turbo.fuel will take me a long way

[exotic pilot]

Do both drone ports of a drone need fuel or just one

[sick dragon]

Just one

[fluid sapphire]

Just one

[sick dragon]

And you typically only need a drone on the demand side

[exotic pilot]

Why do all my drones stop working then

[sick dragon]

Could be any number of things.

What do we mean by stop working?

[exotic pilot]

Just stay at the port

[sick dragon]

As in landed or just hovering around it

[exotic pilot]

Landed

[sick dragon]

If you go into the port ui it should tell you what's going on with it. Post a screenshot in #screenshots or make a #1038092680493801533 post

[exotic pilot]

I’m not home rn and might not play today

Bc it’s a world with my friend

[fluid sapphire]

Could be a multiplayer sync issue

[sick dragon]

If it's not taking off check that it has fuel thata going into the fuel port(it will not take from incoming outgoing inventory) and that it's port and destination has power

[exotic pilot]

No it’s going into the fuel input

It’s also on the side with no fuel

[sick dragon]

So how you getting fuel to it? Just jumpstarting it?

[ionic forge]

im now making 240 steel per minute and have no clue what to do with it

steel screws maybe, or just turn it into the basics

[sick dragon]

Typically you dont have fuel or a drone on the port thats supplying. You do have a drone on the side thats demanding. For example I setup a port on sulfur. I do not give that a drone or fuel. I do setup 2 ports on the demand side. 1 gets fuel to fuel the port. The other goes and gets the sulfur

[dense violet]

wait until you need beams or pipes

[ionic forge]

i was already making like 30 beams per minute

i found better nodes

[peak wasp]

evening, pioneers

[next forum]

Who’s ready for October wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[abstract heron]

When do the streams and videos come back from css

[dense violet]

it's probably in #announcements

[leaden turret]

this is literally what pinging <@&370483737957236737> is for 😛

[obsidian zodiac]

soon™

[leaden turret]

when do we find out whether the lizard doggo has a butthole or cloaca?

[void gorge]

But the bed is sooooooo niiiiiiiiice moooooooom

[leaden turret]

tfw you realise vtubing means you can stream from bed

[void gorge]

I ain't turning my room into a studio

(At least not fully 👀

)

[leaden turret]

install bed in office, problem solved

[obsidian zodiac]

my room IS the studio #grindset

[void gorge]

Heh, we already have 1

2 I think even

[leaden turret]

@open bone Satisfactory duvet set, maybe?

[leaden turret]

sleepy time stream, confirmed

[boreal musk]

css sleepover stream

[leaden turret]

no crunch allowed tho

[leaden turret]

@open bone Fluffy-tailed Hog Slippers, maybe?

[shy mulch]

just sink it for now, you will have a use for it soon enough, then you can build an add-on to your factory to produce what you need

[flat yarrow]

for months now, I've had 90 packaged fuel appear in my inventory's dimensional depot upload section
if I take it out, more will appear eventually, at least when I start the game and load

anyone else have something similar?

[modest nest]

Just don't take it out of the depot until it backs up wherever it's sneaking into it and breaks something

[astral knoll]

How do I delete someone else's message?

[leaden turret]

alt-f4

[astral knoll]

Tried that before, didn't work

[leaden turret]

the community managers could also answer the question 😛

[steady glade]

right click profile -> ignore

[golden bobcat]

Elite Gas Stingers are up to three times the size of an explorer.

yeah I am uninstalling

[stone abyss]

i think i found a bug, when i put my PC to sleep mode with the game on aspects of the map seem to lose collision, i think my truck is now under the map :c

[drifting veldt]

Hi, I have a quick question. I heard that you can chat with ADA in game, but mine doesn't seem to work.

[leaden turret]

not sure where you heard that from?

[leaden turret]

🏃‍♀️

[shy mulch]

Just wait until you try to milk one

[peak wasp]

ooo unlocked geothermal gennies 🙂

[modest nest]

Noice

[cunning glade]

is it smarter too use a bigger coal node for steel or power

like theres 2 close too base one has more coal for sure i feel like using that for power is smarter and the smaller one for steel idk how much steel i need tho

[reef basin]

I'd recommend to not think about "nodes"

think about items/min. If your steel needs 480/min coal, use node (or nodes) that give you that in total. If node gives more, underclock it and leave rest for future projects

[cunning glade]

i dont know how much steel i need rn tho

[unkempt blade]

more, always more

[reef basin]

better decide it then 🙂

[cunning glade]

okay so i want the bigger node for steel

[reef basin]

because without knowing how much you need, you can't really build it 🤷

[cunning glade]

cuz its right next too a shit ton of iron

well ik i need steel

[reef basin]

yeah but you need to decide on size of the build, right? 🙂

[cunning glade]

idk how much yet cuz i havent looked at the recipe

[unkempt blade]

once I have belts that are good enough to handle a fully OC'd miner I just do as much as possible but until then I have to actually decide things 🙁

[reef basin]

that's usually what you want to do before building 🙂

[cunning glade]

ik but rn im just getting the resources in the same spot

ik what i want tho so ty

bigger nodes for steel

[reef basin]

well that's also "too early" imo - if you don't know how many resources you'll need, you can't know which ones to bring to one spot 😉

[cunning glade]

yeah i can

i need iron and coal

iron is at where im building coal isnt

[reef basin]

but you don't know how much of each

[cunning glade]

ye but if i have alot of both i can make it work

[reef basin]

for sure, but I'd recommend planning before building 😉

[cunning glade]

i have 3 pure coal nodes an 1 normal

and then like 4 pure iron atleast i think

[reef basin]

and what's your product that you want from all that?

[unkempt blade]

one million steel pipes

and I'll be transporting it back to my hub via factory cart obviously

[south lion]

500 million screws/min

[unkempt blade]

smart, you can never have too many screws

[reef basin]

you can barely make 1/100th of that

[south lion]

Nah I could do it

[reef basin]

you literally cannot in vanilla SF

[south lion]

I'll mine my own iron nodes

Underground

[unkempt blade]

what if you sloop every step?

[reef basin]

not possible in vanilla SF

[south lion]

I'll do calculations in modeller later

We'll see how much I could get

[reef basin]

5059700 without sloops

with sloops, probably a few thousands more

[south lion]

Why few thousand

If Ur gonna sloop everything

[reef basin]

because there's a limited number of sloops

[unkempt blade]

I guess it is like tens of thousands of constructors and stuff isn't it 🙁

[south lion]

What if u sloop the sloops😼

[reef basin]

almost 58k constructors, yeah

[south lion]

I'd find a way

[reef basin]

69400 machines

[south lion]

Make that 69420 machines

[unkempt blade]

max screw output is a much better goal than all the max power people

[modest nest]

I feel like you might need a good bit of power for max screws

[south lion]

With this many screws we can make a screw powerplant to make more screws

[reef basin]

yeah, the build I'm talking about uses ~500 GW

(I didn't even consider power, so it would be less screw production than 5M)

[south lion]

It's doable

We are here to exploit the planet

For screws

[unkempt blade]

so I think then you do diluted fuel + HOR and use the sloops on there instead of the screws and that should be about what you need for power

[reef basin]

the 5M build uses 100% of the map (with exception of nitrogen and uranium)

[unkempt blade]

can't do coal because you want that for screws, can't do fancier fuels because those want coal too, can't do nuclear because that wants all kinds of stuff

[reef basin]

so you don't have anything to make power from

[unkempt blade]

this is going to be a biofuel heavy achievement then 🙁

[south lion]

Get rid of all the nature for biofuel

More space for screws that way

[unkempt blade]

have you considered wooden screws yet?

those might help

[modest nest]

Personally I like over producing nails

[south lion]

Copper screws too

[terse perch]

I assume demolishing and reconstructing the space elevator forces you to resupply all the phases/stages?

[modest nest]

Is it worth using compacted coal for coal gens? Like pure MW output wise

[modest nest]

No, it saves all progress, even on current stage, move it whenever

[unkempt blade]

I'd say generally no but use it if it's fun for you, there's better uses for both sulfur and coal once you have oil based power or greaterif you're trying to min/max stuff

[ivory condor]

No but it should

[modest nest]

Turbo fuel, gotcha

I'll save my sulfer until then

[ivory condor]

I would personally hold off until rocket fuel, if you plan on going mass fuel for power

[unkempt blade]

nuclear also uses sulfur if you wind up going that route, or certain recipes doing aluminum stuff

But unless you're really pushing production limits the map almost always has more resources than you need for what you're doing and it mostly depends how much effort you want to spend. There's room for recipes you just find fun

[south lion]

Well the map doesn't have enough iron for 500 million screws/min

So not enough resources we need more map lock in

[cunning scaffold]

We need a infinite map size like minecraft (well not infinite but yknow what i mean)

[silk ocean]

alt recipe? xD

[modest nest]

Synthetic iron nodes

[reef basin]

I already told you this 😛

[ivory condor]

Just mod in more resources

[deft drum]

Nah don't do Turbofuel tbh.

HOR into Packaged Diluted fuel (or even just fuel directly) is enough to get you to Blenders

Which gets you to Nitro Rocket Fuel (whose lack of complexity is worth spending more Sulfur on)

[reef basin]

diluted -> nuclear imo

[heady spindle]

Is there something going on with Satisfactory-Calculator's Blueprint page? There seems to be an astronomical increase in downloads on recently posted Blueprints. I can refresh the page and see the counter going up. All while not getting any comments. What the hell is happening here lol

[fiery lotus]

Slowly figuring out Satisfactory, built up my power infrastructure a bunch so I can focus on my factory.

Surely 5x my power consumption will last me at least two hours of building.

[heady spindle]

I couldn't find any contact info to speak to the site's owner, so I guessed I would just see if anyone here knows anything

[modest nest]

Ok

[heady spindle]

It feels like bot behaviour

[shadow bolt]

what fuel is best for drones

[reef basin]

most likely the counter is not protected against bot downloads

[heady spindle]

Likely

I can narrow it down to a specific date/time/blueprint as well

From that blueprint on (Jul 26), the download count goes from a couple dozen to thousands

[silk ocean]

Depends on your definition of best xD

[heady spindle]

Does anyone know who is the owner/creator of Satisfactory-Calculator? They might want a heads-up regarding this issue

[deft drum]

With Nitro Rocket you can turn 600 crude, 800 coal, 1,600 sulfur, and 1,200 Nitrogen into 2,400 rocket fuel. Which is enough for 144 GW of power.

You also get 400 compacted coal which you can sink or turn into another 1.2 GW if you feel like hooking up the water inputs

Worth noting that Nitrogen and Rocket Fuel are "Gases" so don't need any headlift

[silk ocean]

Building a Rocket Fuel plant was like a 3 day mission xD

Nuclear was like a week xD

Including building all of the support network and logistics xD

[deft drum]

Nitro rocket is good because it's just plug 3 raw inputs into a pre-existing Diluted fuel plant and you got from 20 GW to 144

[shadow bolt]

i unclocked it just now

i think ill get to rocket fuel and start using that

it drains turbo fuel like crazy fast

[keen oriole]

doesn't the coal loop back? is it really 800 in that's required here?

[deft drum]

You can recapture the compacted coal for turbo fuel by default

But if you use Nitro Rocket you cannot loop the compacted coal that still shows up back in

[keen oriole]

so you can make a nice terrace that fllows downwards, but at the end when it's rocket fuel it will naturally rise up to a platform above that for burning or packaging

[silk ocean]

I mostly just use Fuel because I built the factory and there is no room or willingness to upgrade the solution xD But I think Turbo/Rocket Fuel or Batteries might be better xD

[keen oriole]

turbo is a bit underwhelming, when you go to turbo I recommend going all the way to rocket.

it's fun.

[deft drum]

For drones there are 3 contenders

For ease of production packaged turbofuel is best.
For best performance there's Plutonium Fuel Rods.
For halfway between them packaged rocket fuel is also an option

[keen oriole]

I like turbo for drones because there's always plastic available where the turbo fuel is.

[unkempt blade]

option 4: replace all your drones with factory carts because they're way more adorable

[silk ocean]

option 5: replace everything with trains xD

[modest nest]

I think I'll use turbo fuel for at least a bit, then later I'll tear it down and upgrade to rocket fuel

[silk ocean]

I need to teardown an earlier powergen build, I'm just gathering my sanity for this nightmare that shall ensue xD

[modest nest]

That way I'll have the packages turbo fuel needed to unlock the rocket fuel, then I can get the Nitro Rocket fuel recipe and go from there, and the turbo fuel will be at least good power for the timebeing

[shy mulch]

I did this but on a bigger scale, and used my compacted coal byproduct to make turbofuel which I use in my dark matter crystal factory, as it really helps the amount of diamonds you can get

[silk ocean]

Diamonds have been the bain of my life xD

[shy mulch]

Honestly they were mine too until I started using the turbofuel recipe, it makes so many more diamonds now

It's actually moved my bottleneck to SAM production

[silk ocean]

Yea I need to get into the turbofuel recipe xD

[shy mulch]

Atm my current headache is copper powder. Blueprints are so handy for this task

[heavy pine]

Is there a way to flip the inputs or outputs on Satisfactory Modeler so there are fewer lines crossing over each other?

[deft drum]

Awww why do you have to use packaged turbofuel

[visual cosmos]

compacted coal can also be used for a ton of easy steel

[shadow bolt]

ty :D

[visual cosmos]

where should i do centralized storage

im bored and its a fun thing to do, ik depots are arguably better

[chrome orbit]

i just finished my fuel generator factory should i put walls on it even tho i don,t have glass

[visual cosmos]

you dont have to

mine is just a few floors in the middle of the ocean at the top of the map

[chrome orbit]

it is 3 km away from my hub

coal sucks

how much battery storage do u have

[visual cosmos]

i dont have any battery

[chrome orbit]

what

[visual cosmos]

i also have around 50k MW power production so i'm fine

[chrome orbit]

ok i guess i just have it because my fuel production is not always on point

[visual cosmos]

I always make sure my power graph is flat

Consumption isnt but i cant do much about that

[chrome orbit]

i have 1,400mw of battery

do u think anybody still uses coal

[visual cosmos]

I mean later you dont use it for power

More for steel

[chrome orbit]

makes sense

[visual cosmos]

I still have my coal power because i haven't needed steel yet but if I do need it I'll just remove the generators

[shy mulch]

There's a lot of coal around the map. Only destroy stuff if you really have to

[chrome orbit]

why is it that mk 3 conveyor belts use steel because i have to cut a conveyor every time i need steel

[shy mulch]

What do you mean cut a conveyor'?

[chrome orbit]

i have to getrid of a belt so the steel beams can stock up in the constuctor

[dense violet]

the discord link for it is at the top of the page

[dapper geode]

heyyy can some one help me pls i was trying to open a map and every time the game crashes i did try to create a new map but crash anyway

[ivory condor]

@sterile blade btw I tried a thing, aka that save at 1080p lowest settings, was at 400 fps and would drop to 100 fps, so only losing about 300 frames, this is fine

[dense violet]

what?

[shy mulch]

Sorry that doesn't make any sense to me

[chrome orbit]

whatever

[dense violet]

can you explain it a different way? it doesn't make sense

[shy mulch]

Seems like you're doing something in a way that doesn't work well. We can help if you can explain what you're doing a bit clearer

[visual cosmos]

its pretty straightforward, remove the belt taking the output from that constructor and the steel beams pile up in the constructors

there's a lot of better ways to do it but

[shy mulch]

Why would you ever need to do that?

[visual cosmos]

idk

[ivory condor]

Lol

[dense violet]

that also doesn't make sense as a thing to do

[visual cosmos]

easiest option would just be having a splitter taking the excess from that belt, or just having a factory meant to produce steel beams

[shy mulch]

If you want Steel beams to use for constructing belts, make steel beams and send them to a storage or a dimensional depot

[chrome orbit]

i do that now

[ivory condor]

There is alot about this discussion that makes no sense

[shy mulch]

Making them back up in the constructor seems like a strange choice

[chrome orbit]

nvm

[dense violet]

was that what you meant though?

[chrome orbit]

i will do bad stuff to u

[dense violet]

now you just sound like a child

[chrome orbit]

i am 98

[ivory condor]

Me watching this discussion become more strange

[shy mulch]

100% a child. I've reported to mods for underage user

[chrome orbit]

what could never be me

[heady spindle]

I know. The invite doesn't work

[dense violet]

you could prob search for it in google or something if you really cared enough to? but I'm sure they are eithe aware or don't care

[remote field]

Random question:
Does anyone else hate the shit out of the Blue Crater?

I can't tell if it's because I've spent so much time there with failed fluid projects that I've just developed a negative association with the place, or if there's actually something inherently annoying about it.

[chrome orbit]

do u know what the water geyser looking things r for

[visual cosmos]

Depends on which

Usually those produce gas

There's also geothermal vents that can be used for power

But both are around phase4

[chrome orbit]

i have to go clean beans brb

[ivory condor]

Hmm ok

[surreal oasis]

doing my 32 assembler balanced load blueprint. what a pain to connect it all

feeling like a Intel chip engineer

[chrome orbit]

guess who's back

[latent hearth]

What's the most optical usage of crude oil?

[chrome orbit]

i think plastic and fuel give the same outcome

[coarse epoch]

I'm not sure what your question is, but generally you make a power plant with it plus plastic and rubber

[atomic notch]

Optimal* ?

[coarse epoch]

no, optical. The most optical use of oil is probably to set it on fire

[latent hearth]

😭

it's fine yall thx

[fluid sapphire]

crater is great

got a ton of stuff cooking there

[remote field]

resource wise it's great, but there's something about working there that pisses me off.

I think it's the unavoidable verticality.

[visual cosmos]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1407367882215788595
very efficient trust

i made a few nukes

[remote field]

i hate fluids because i can't stand the dealing with head lift.

[visual cosmos]

now i'm enjoying my nukes

[remote field]

if there was a more reliable way of seeing headlift on pipes maybe i wouldn't mind, but the snap points don't always work, the headlift overlay only gets displayed when you're previewing a pump placement, not existing pumps, and the overlay has limited distance so if there's a stretch of horizontal pipe you might not know exactly how high your headlift is.

[fluid sapphire]

having an extra pump or two doesnt hurt

you dont need to try to squeeze max distance between pumps

[slow abyss]

Whats the actual difference between a smart splitter and a programmable splitter

[visual cosmos]

Easiest method is having a "snake" that goes up with regular pipes (not clean)

The weird looking thing on the regular ones indicates flow based on how open it is

[visual cosmos]

Smart splitter=one item filter

Programmable, can do multiple items

Smart splitter is one option per path basically

[slow abyss]

Ohhhh

Man i thought i could control how much goes out from each output

Disappointing

[fluid sapphire]

idk, i dont find it much different to working anywhere else? terrain is what makes building interesting, i actually managed to cram quite a lot into the small hole that is the crater, i think
#screenshots message

[visual cosmos]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1407369587233783838
here

first one is smart, second is programmable
smart can only have one condition per lane yeah

to be fair depending on the number controlling output is fairly easy

[slow abyss]

Yea i understand thanks

[remote field]

it's the water that pisses me off. I hate how annoying getting out of water can be.

There's this really annoying bug right now where, if you have your build menu open when you fall into water, the build menu closes once you enter water, but tries to reopen as soon as you leave. This instantly kills movement control, causing you to fall back into the water.
the time the build menu is open for is really short, so it's hard to close it so you can properly get back out.

it's fine if you've got the hover pack, but usually if i'm in the water it's because i'm not in range of the power grid

imo they need to
A. allow you to jump out of water far higher. (like, it should be comparable to a ground jump)
B. don't reopen the stupid build menu

[slow abyss]

Was hoping that there was a way to control how much goes out from each output so i dont have to have more splitters than atoms in the universe for big projects

[visual cosmos]

Thats been in the game for years

Easiest option is the moment you press jump to leave the water press the button to leave build menu

[fluid sapphire]

just switch between hoverpack and jetback

[remote field]

I could believe that. I just started playing again ~ a month ago, and last playthrough was like 2 years ago so idr a lot of the bugs.

[remote field]

Too frequently this happens to me when my jetpack is out of fuel, and i'm not in range of the power grid

the annoyingness of it makes my blood boil

[fluid sapphire]

my solution is to spam temporary power towers everywhere, they stick out like a sore thumb, very easy to delete later when you no longer need the range

[unkempt blade]

what is this a game for dolphins?

[azure ermine]

gotta appreciate the questions-and-help section. It may just be how it works on discord but a lot of boards for asking questions, to check for any answers people have added, you'd have to go to your profile and check posts or have favorited your post and then check it in favorites...this, your question just dangles below the question section and you can just click it from the menu. Love it. Also my question was answered in minutes. I find this...Satisfactory 🙂

[rigid mist]

it's time to make 42 blenders
yay

[shy mulch]

im doing 144 refineries today, yay

[rigid mist]

oof

[fluid sapphire]

hehhh 80 refineries

[rigid mist]

only had to build 26 for this factory

[fluid sapphire]

i have 190 total

[rigid mist]

damn

[placid stirrup]

In your entire world?

[fluid sapphire]

no, this factory

[placid stirrup]

Sounds like a lot of pure recipes

[quick verge]

I see tons of complaints about pipes and fluid mechanics....luckily I havent ran into too many issues with that just yet. My biggest issue with pipes is getting them all to run straight and look decent. Especially when trying to run them vertically....any tips/tricks/guides on that specifically?

[placid stirrup]

Hold ctrl, use the various build modes

[topaz shale]

I see that pY sticker. You can't escape from Pyanodons.

[fluid sapphire]

7k iron ingots, 3k copper ingots

[rigid mist]

no i can't
the sunk cost falacy is too much

[topaz shale]

It calls for the factory must grow.

[placid stirrup]

What ya making?

[reef basin]

most of the pipe complaints is people assuming how pipes work and then having the build not work because they assumed wrong 🤷

[fluid sapphire]

use all the build modes, fr, all of them
#screenshots message

[placid stirrup]

Hey greeny I'm trying to supply 3000 water to my factory with a pipe, why isn't it working?

[fluid sapphire]

4500 aluminum ingots, the iron and copper is made from byproduct water, some of the iron will go into motors, some later into ficsite, some of the copper into aluminum sheets and casings and whatnot, some into copper powder

[quick verge]

Been trying, and it still looks like trash. Thats gorgeous though. Time to keep practicing...

[acoustic heart]

Does anyone find that their sloops and spheres respawn after loading their save? I thought I was tripping at first but I am 100% sure I just picked up the same sloop 3 times now

[hard ivy]

Normally, it can happen when they update the map

But every time you load the save is not normal

[fluid sapphire]

its really just a lot of trial and error until you figure out the particular tricks you need for certain things

and develop an eye for which end to start your routing from

[placid stirrup]

If you share a photo of something we can provide constructive feedback

[topaz shale]

I hate when I'm searching for the heavy oil alt recipe that I end up finding some good recipes as well.

I have decided to try to go for the turbofuel route again. Apart from the regular fuel recipe, I end up using less power to run the turbofuel base recipes and thus more power to the factories.

[undone kestrel]

Just save them in the harddrive library and then when you get the alt you want, pickup the other useful ones as well

[fleet star]

could do save scumming if you really want a recipe at a specific time

[topaz shale]

I'm totally not just save scumming to get the one I want.

[undone kestrel]

Does save scumming work with the re-roll?

[fleet star]

yes but not main roll

[undone kestrel]

I've not actually done it since about U7/8

Yeah I remember them making that change

[fleet star]

so you would just save the game after seeing the hard drive completion screen to save time exiting out of that alert

one time I was doing save scumming for uranium and it took like 50 tries before I got it 😮‍💨

beats the alternative, I guess

[hard ivy]

Regular fuel consumes less power per MW produced than turbofuel

At least assuming you're using HOR + DPF

[fleet star]

finding 50 hard drives

[undone kestrel]

But then you get 49 other alts 😉

[hard ivy]

It works with the main roll, if you save before putting the drive in

[fleet star]

eh most of the alts are hard to use, I think

I really only jump on the ones like pure ingots or some of the fuel ones that improve the ratio of the most critical resources

[undone kestrel]

Most are very situational. Sometimes I prefer to use an alt that in my opinion is worse than another if it means easier logistics

[topaz shale]

At least according to the satisfactory modeler, I'm using, on average 2985mw with the HOR and diluted fuel recipe and only 1,500mw with the turbo fuel so more net power.

[fleet star]

a huge part of my playstyle though includes sloop+250% clock, so I also like alts with better output/min because then the sloop multiplies it further

[hard ivy]

Well, according to SFT, fuel is 1900 MW for 20 GW prod, turbo is 2100

With DF instead of DPF, both go down by about 100 MW

[fleet star]

I got 1000 rocket fuel out of 2 blenders with 250% production and 8 sloops. totally worth the expense though bc that's enough power to finish the game (I am only a few hours from finishing the game rn)

60gw power btw with only 225 oil and 150 sulfur

[topaz shale]

Probably may not help that I'm overclocking on both to reduce the overall building count.

[undone kestrel]

Think i'm gonna save my sloops for ficsonium stuff

considering how little abundance there is of sam

[fleet star]

ficsonium is super easy

you can make 360/min of ficsonium ingots with 5 sloops and 240(?) SAM if you use aluminum

[topaz shale]

I still don't see it. I'm still having a much better power useage with the base turbofuel recipe over turning the heavy oil into fuel directly. At this point, this might just be a bit of a personal preference.

Though for logistics sake, might still be better to use regular fuel if I can't get the turbo fuel alt.

[hard ivy]

Ficsonium, not ficsite

[undone kestrel]

Turbo makes more power per oil but not more net power

[topaz shale]

I'm basing all of these numbers off of getting 600/min of oil from a node.

[fleet star]

oops

uhhhh just put it all on rocket fuel

I never even used nuclear and I'm about to beat the game 😶‍🌫️

[topaz shale]

And this is what the modeler is telling me. The net is only from how much power I'm getting out of the entire system when taking the power needed to power the machines into consideration.

[undone kestrel]

Yes I know what net power output is 😂, a TF setup takes more power to create an equivalent amount of power from a regular fuel setup however you get more power per oil that you input

[topaz shale]

I didn't mean to make it sound like I didn't think you knew. Was just clarifying what I meant when I read the net values.

[abstract heron]

yay SOON!

[noble stratus]

#screenshots message which one? 1st or 2nd

[fleet star]

I can't speed up endgame

[unkempt blade]

where are all the factory carts? that's the one I want to choose

[fleet star]

I was going to double ||nuclear pasta|| but I need like 50gw more on the grid just to get 5 more/min

guess I have to idle for 2 hours to get the rest of it produced

[noble stratus]

did you want to do a Kibitz?

xD

[fleet star]

I guess

my spaghetti would put his spaghetti to shame tho ngl

[noble stratus]

LetsGameItOuts too?

[fleet star]

every endgame part was spaghetti because I was building those as an addition to my factory in the west, but it was by a cliff, so lots of conveyors are crossing and/or clipped underground

[unkempt blade]

do a conveyor tornado, that was the best one

[abstract heron]

i am happy to see whats 1.2 brings into the Satisfactory game

[fleet star]

who's gonna tell 'em

😢

[noble stratus]

oh no.

[abstract heron]

they probbaly still on vacation

summer is there vacation in sweeden

[fleet star]

a forever vacation. the game's finished

[abstract heron]

no

[noble stratus]

no

[abstract heron]

game is not finished

[hard ivy]

they didn't say they're done with the game

[fleet star]

wait really

[abstract heron]

they just on vacation

[fleet star]

I thought someone on the dev team said 1.1 was the last thing they were going to do

[noble stratus]

#patch-notes message

[unkempt blade]

I'm on vacation too! that's why I have so much time to talk about factory carts

[noble stratus]

at 2:50

[abstract heron]

They will make teasers again once they have info

[noble stratus]

"slowing down for a while" not stopping

[unkempt blade]

I heard the next big content addition is 3 more tiers of factory carts

[noble stratus]

"July and August"

after that they will continue again

[abstract heron]

i call every summer a slow down due to vacations at CSS

[noble stratus]

YES. but, im just at Tier 5 for the first time since i got SF in 2020 xD

[unkempt blade]

you're amazing and talented and I believe in you to get to T6 this time

[noble stratus]

i always dropped the save after 20 hours or so. in 1.0 i played one for 65 hours. and now im at my biggest save for 1.1 with over 70 hours now and for the first time in phase 2, doing phase 3 and almost have trains

: )

i correct. 77 hours

but im now at the point of rebuilding or rather just building my first fuel gen to then go full throttle

and build my first actual factories, that dont look like ground pasta

oh, but my question still remains. make plastic/rubber and residual fuel or fuel with residual plastic and rubber

[fleet gale]

is it possible to get 60 computers for an alien power augmenter before getting oil via hard drive crash sites?

[fleet star]

yes

[fleet gale]

lovely

[fleet star]

go to either ||red forest or titan forest|| where a lot of the crash sites are

[small flicker]

hey there !

anyone down for some satisfactory factory building?

some one better do or else

[void gorge]

I wish

The vacation part

Not the game part

[fleet star]

I wish my game was finished 🙁

I have to idle for 2 hours

[sturdy pivot]

i'm playing an unmodded version of the game and set my dismantle crates to merge, but when i dismantle with full inventory it does not create a crate. is this a know issue?

[hard ivy]

go collect stuff

[fleet star]

my power grid simply isn't strong enough to hold faster production

[heavy pine]

Vacation is just microdosing retirement.

[fleet star]

I have everything. that is NOT an exaggeration

[fleet star]

you might have a dismantle crate somewhere else on the map

there's a setting to join nearby dismantle crates so there aren't as many spawned, but on larger worlds ANY dismantle will tend to go to one crate

[hard ivy]

all slugs too?

[fleet star]

slugs are useless in endgame

I have thousands of power shards and power shard production

[hard ivy]

but they are collectible

[fleet star]

I don't wanna

[small flicker]

smh guess imma play hoi iv

[limpid cairn]

why would you want someone else to build your factory

[small flicker]

we build together have fun and chill yk?

[visual cosmos]

Damn can you not make lifts where the lift part is one way but the output is another way by linking it to a floor hole

It keeps adjusting back

[limpid cairn]

you are asking a random person to basically do the whole point of the game for you

[small flicker]

no im not :)

[scenic mirage]

are my conveyors broken? i have a mk 2 miner on a pure node at 200% overclock and it says its outputting 480/min but my conveyors right before my factory only show im getting 270/min? im using mk4 conveyors the whole way wtf is going on lol #screenshots message

[visual cosmos]

I mean if it says 270 then theres probably a mk3 in there

[limpid cairn]

the throughput monitor only shows how many items passed through it in 1 min

[fleet star]

Maybe the conveyor inside the splitter is a mk3

[limpid cairn]

else check every other conveyore

[fleet star]

Delete the splitter and re-place the belt

[hushed root]

it can only open from one direction for all floors, ueah

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message
??

[fleet star]

Hmm maybe the whole thing is just cursed

[scenic mirage]

yeah prob tbh

[fleet star]

Does the factory use all of the 480 iron ore or no

[visual cosmos]

https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1407398223018201099
I mean this

[scenic mirage]

yep 8 smelters with 200% overclock

[visual cosmos]

before you could place them that way by making them link to a floor hole, now it automatically adjusts to the second pic

[fleet star]

And they all run?

[willow glen]

1. Maybe you’re only using 270 ore
2. Maybe there’s a mk3 belt stuck in there somewhere
   Can’t see where it’s going so unable to help further

[scenic mirage]

the last 3 in the manifold dont rlly have any ores in them, they keep going idle, triple checked now and no m3 anywhere...

[willow glen]

it could be inside the splitter, especially if you used poles before building, or upgrade-in-place after

[fleet star]

Send a pic with the whole build. Use decoupled camera to get a good angle

[scenic mirage]

whats decoupled camera

[willow glen]

Photo mode then decoupled camera. For keyboard defaults that’s
p -> r

[fleet star]

Go into camera mode and then press r

[cunning scaffold]

yo what are some mods yall recommend after a first playthrough?

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message
think that should be good

[shrewd palm]

infinite zoop, daisy chain everything, infinite nudge, soft clearance for everything, shallow water extractors + progressive blueprinter

the last 2 are more circumstantial, im just using them because i had to build 500 water extractors for my nuclear plant and i couldn't do that without some janky blueprint stuff

[fleet star]

Infinite nudge is a 1.1 feature

[unkempt blade]

pure vanilla, the game is a perfect 5/7

[fleet star]

The factory looks fine, there has to be a mk3 hidden somewhere

[placid stirrup]

1000% size and hp spiders

[scenic mirage]

#screenshots message
😭 gotta be shitting me

[willow glen]

I’m a vanilla purist but if you must use mods, infinite zoop is a potential time saver. I use the x10 max as my bounds for quicker zooping but each player plays differently.

[cunning scaffold]

nah no solar pannels, auto bad game, i want to run my factory on pure solar (jkjk)

[unkempt blade]

what is oil if not the ground's solar energy?

[dusk thicket]

go fully vanilla, go through things as they are... until you hit your first "oh I wish this was bigger..." (inventory)
Then you go get additional inventory slots mod, there's a variety.

[runic bolt]

Chat how would you explain train signals to someone who because quite good at train signals in Factorio?
I want to build my train network but so far I'm only really using the blocks, cus idk how the other works :/

[dusk thicket]

you don't

[unkempt blade]

I only use block signals because I build crazy non-overlapping intersections

[willow glen]

I’ve checked this a couple times and I can’t see the error either, however those 3 machines that are idling will be your clue for tracing it.
If they’re empty, input belt too slow (or not connected)
If they’re full, output belt too slow (or not connected).
Given these are making 60/min max and it looks like the first one in the chain is idle, I’m leaning towards disconnected belt.

[willow glen]

Nvm to my previous reply, congrats

[shrewd palm]

path signals basically just reserve paths through intersections, so you can have multiple trains passing through so long as they arent going to hit each other. put them at the entrance to every intersection with a block signal at every exit

[scenic mirage]

gotta fix my blueprint now too 🙁

[runic bolt]

ait so kinda like Factorio then

thank youuu :3

[willow glen]

Block signals exact same as factorio.
Path signals are better than chain - they reserve the whole path, and are smart about not reserving connected rails not in their path. Basically, you only need the one path at the entrances; unlike with chain signals where you’d have a bunch in the middle of the intersection too.

However… trains make up for that by being dumber and not re-pathing around blocked railways

[topaz shale]

Can't make the trains too op lol

[unkempt blade]

they have to compete with factory carts so they'll always be 2nd best anyway

[shrewd palm]

oh yeah i think theres also a bug with 1.1 where sometimes in a 4-way intersection one of the directions won't be seen by the trains

[cunning scaffold]

funny enough i stopped playing right after coal power (idk why) came back 1 day ago and wanted to play again and now am back to coal generation

[topaz shale]

Automated factory carts when

[unkempt blade]

ages ago! they work with truck stops

[hard ivy]

since a few years ago

[willow glen]

Signal bugs are best dealt with when encountered, tho ya the signal-at-junction-“loops into itself” error is beyond frustrating

[topaz shale]

Must be out of the loop badly. I never use trucks and vehicles other than trains anyways lol Belts are superior above all else /s

[runic bolt]

aha that makes sense
does that mean a city block design (In theory) would be more optimized in satisfactory compared to Factorio?
I know the difference in rails and everything, this is just regarding the train pathing

[willow glen]

Trucks are great for coal, I drop em for trains tho asap (I’m biased).
Drones can be great too, especially for delivering complex items you don’t need in great amounts (where 1 train car is too much); I use drones for Radio Control Units quite often

[shrewd palm]

i think you'd have to be clinically insane to use city blocks for satisfactory

[willow glen]

Not really because unfortunately train scheduling is also quite dumb. Can’t turn off stops dynamically, nor will trains path to same-name depots. It’s not very flexible in its pathing options.

[sick dragon]

ada commenting on my killing of beans. yes ada. it was necessary

[willow glen]

The main difference is in satisfactory, ore is infinite. Your production rate will never decrease due to a patch thinning out, so there technically isn’t a need to plan in the same way

[runic bolt]

fr
automated nukes just so I could get rid of them easier
god damn inspectors trying to pressure me into OSHA regulations

[topaz shale]

I definitely learned that handfeeding through the first phases is definitely ok to do and that there is no need to have a main bus. I just hide my spaghetti behind walls. Out of site and out of mind.

Though I do sometimes enjoy seeing all of my manifolds and such on display so I try not to hide those.

[shrewd palm]

ive had to hide my spaghetti monster for these uranium cells

even getting all the resources into a manifold wasnt pretty

[unkempt blade]

factory carts are a great spaghetti replacement, cars driving around is way better than messy belts

[fleet star]

"that one had a family" maybe it should have stayed away from my belts!!!

[shrewd palm]

yeah but like

they can only carry one stack of items and i need thousands

[unkempt blade]

just needs more carts then, double-bonus!

and they don't need fuel so your logistics are further simplified!

[waxen crystal]

do we know if satisfactory is going to have crossplay when it launches on console?

[hard ivy]

console is gonna be able to play with other console, but not PC

[waxen crystal]

[hard ivy]

at least on release

[reef basin]

yeah, let peasants play with peasants

[dense cave]

can i assume that routebacks works just as well with pipes?

[tulip obsidian]

Anyone here remember my stupid rant about how hard the ratio 4:6 is? And how stupid I am when it comes to building a 100% efficient steel factory?

WELL GUESS WHAT MFS

I can’t send pictures here shit

[hard ivy]

4:6 is easy tho

[shy mulch]

3.4 billion sink points per minute for 22 minutes, totally worth saving up those BWD just to watch that happen 😂

[tulip obsidian]

“4:6 is easy tho”
This entire adventure has made me realize that I just might be dyslexic

[willow glen]

Routebacks? Not sure if you’re referring to looping a pipe, or mixing fresh and recycled water here.

[feral geyser]

What are you talking about?

[shy mulch]

I put the SEXY in DYSLEXIC

[dense cave]

like, splitting a load into an 8, then route one end to the back so the load is perfectly split into 7th

[shy mulch]

At that point, why not just manifold?

[dense cave]

what dat

+its a liquid

[hard ivy]

bro's over here balancing pipes 🤡

[willow glen]

well, pipes are bidirectional by default, tho with valves you could make it work.
I just always manifold pipes due to size anyway

[dense cave]

😭

[tulip obsidian]

#satisfactory message

[dense cave]

so what is manifold

[tulip obsidian]

Don’t get me started on trying to talk to women

[tulip obsidian]

Me a maths major: “alright boys sit down”

[willow glen]

!wikisearch manifold

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[feral geyser]

I don't get it

[tulip obsidian]

Honestly, neither do I

[feral geyser]

??

[tulip obsidian]

But it works and I’m not touching it

[dense cave]

oh nah not those kinda layouts

[hard ivy]

it gives me PTSD from special relativity

[dense cave]

i did not have a good time with those layout in other factory games

[willow glen]

I even commented on the original post but I was just as lost lol

[reef basin]

don't do that for fluids, they don't work that way

[dense cave]

yeah i realised valve exists...🥀

[reef basin]

yeah, don't do valves either

[feral geyser]

Oh shit

[dense cave]

what-

[feral geyser]

Starting a firestorm again

[reef basin]

valves hardly help, do a looped manifold

[feral geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-hiding-take-cover-cover-suitcase-gif-22994876

[reef basin]

like this https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1406298867183648910/1406312796466974932/image.png?ex=68a5f6da&is=68a4a55a&hm=d6f3fd54e2c3d42454c2fe1884838dec83d6e6dcdbf5259d4ead9aa03356d45c&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1241&height=967

[dense cave]

does this equally satisfy all demands that are different

one input needs 30 cm3/s, rest needs 60

[reef basin]

yes, once filled (and prefilling is very useful with pipes)

[dense cave]

ok

[reef basin]

same as normal solid manifold

[river oriole]

i never thought that making buildings is so easy

[topaz shale]

Is it even a good idea to have a single pipe go from the last line of manifolds and loop back to the beginning as long as everything is filled before hand?

[magic knoll]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/916930272396738580/1375699456791416913/otdLJE7.gif

[reef basin]

that's why majority of players use mostly manifolds in their saves 😉

[magic knoll]

ok embed perms test FAILED.

[willow glen]

it becomes absolutely nonsensical how fast you can slap down 32 refineries with just a simple blueprint, auto connect, and fast depots

[river oriole]

whats a manifold

[reef basin]

read above

[shrewd palm]

^^

[reef basin]

more like "completed successfully" 😉

[river oriole]

what does it change if its a manifold or not

[willow glen]

generally not; looping can solve some sloshing issues but if you can just connect closer to the middle of a manifold instead of at one end, that isn’t an issue

[reef basin]

fluids are bidirectional, so they are (almost) impossible to balance

[shrewd palm]

you plug items in and anything you dont need comes out. much easier than making a load balancer

[hard ivy]

looping is only useful when it's needed. which is rarely

[river oriole]

well yea but i was actually talking about the building and not the inside

[reef basin]

in case of perfect builds, yes. But not all people can do perfect builds properly, so looping helps them. And worst case it doesn't do anything, but doesn't hurt

[topaz shale]

A lot of problems that one has with fluids. especially for power, can be solved if you just let everything fill before you start up the system.

Not sure how this works with aluminum stuff.

[reef basin]

with aluminum it's generally recommended to not mix fresh and recycled water

[brave horizon]

Here me out, they need to add a hard mode to this game

[willow glen]

for aluminum water loop back (if you must), prefilling will expose any issues sooner. Otherwise it can take hours to find out I did it wrong (yet again)

[river oriole]

how would that work

[brave horizon]

It just would

[river oriole]

yea but what would change

[feral geyser]

All Nodes Impure

[topaz shale]

I do have a neat headlift reset system for my waste water system in aluminum processing. It actually does mix fresh and waste but it only uses the amount of water that I actually need.

[brave horizon]

EVERYTHING

[topaz shale]

Satisfactory Plus mod has been updated recently. Pretty dang close to a hardmode.

[feral geyser]

All node Impure, monsters don't stop spawning and are extra aggressive, double build cost, plus hogs and spitters can break your factory.

[brave horizon]

Just feel like early on project assembly parts are just introduced and then thrown out after they're done

[willow glen]

Yup, when done right it works! But I keep wanting to be flexible with my designs, specifically doing a lot of my pipe work under the floor… and it’s more complicated there. Still possible (using a perfectly heighted water tower), but just annoying and finicky for someone who’s doing aluminum for the first time.

[river oriole]

and machines need break too

[brave horizon]

Like smart plates

[feral geyser]

Satisfactory, but every night, you have to play Sanctum with waves of beasts.

[reef basin]

that's hardly harder. You just decrease limit of resources which most people don't even hit

[brave horizon]

Whats that

[brave horizon]

noted thx

[feral geyser]

Another Coffee Stain game, FPSxTD (First person shooter x Tower defense)

[topaz shale]

It actually can be done with the industrial fluid tank. It is high enough for the system to work.

But I agree, very finicky.

[brave horizon]

Honestly I just purchased the game for Productive Packer Deluxe

Lmao

jk

[feral geyser]

SANCTUM 1 and 2 are both pretty cheap on CDkeys, I highly recommend

[willow glen]

oh no way thanks so much for the heads up, been wanting to try it for a while but wasn’t compatible with 1.0

[willow glen]

ooh I’ll try that out next time, thanks

[topaz shale]

No problem!

I was looking at the aluminum chain and I also could have just had it that the waste water is put into another refiner for alumina solution thus removing the need for extra balancing as long as the machines are using the exact amount of water though this way is boring

[undone venture]

can i rotate a biulding less than 90 degree on a fountion?

[feral geyser]

Sadly no

[shrewd palm]

hold ctrl

[brave horizon]

When is coffee stain going to give us the mech suits that fotuna III has

[shrewd palm]

i have infinite nudge tho so im not sure if thats a vanilla feature but it should be

[brave horizon]

exo suits

Imagine a DLC with the Korolev company

[little goblet]

do u guys think 15 modular frames were too much for my first factory? i am currently sitting on 8200 modular frames, and i still havent made a single part for completing chapter 3

[willow glen]

Generally it’s best to automate one or two machine doing it, then expand to more, but how you play is entirely up to you. It’s not like you’ll run out of nodes on the map before you finish the game

[reef basin]

yeah, I'd say 5-10/min is enough for personal needs

and yeah, I wouldn't recommend automating "for future"

[brave horizon]

yeah, reinforced plates wouldve been better

[shrewd palm]

well that stockpile is probably enough until you need to build a massive factory with hundreds of manufacturers

[supple dune]

so i havent even completed phase 3 yet and i just finished my modular frames and im making 75 per minute

am i making to much

[little goblet]

ans other question, 400 rubber and plastic /min should be enough?

i use 2 overclocked pure nodes

[hollow hemlock]

No such thing, you can always sink some for the coupons

[supple dune]

bet

[shrewd palm]

not really if you're trying to automate things in large quantities

[supple dune]

yeah my buddy started this factory then quit but i have 12 lines of 480 iron coming in per minute

[little goblet]

is it enough for chapter 3?

[shrewd palm]

i think so?

[white dawn]

You can always just make more if you need to

[shrewd palm]

its been a hot minute since i did anything with oil that wasnt rocket fuel

[white dawn]

How much of anything you need depends on how big you build, and what recipes you use

[shrewd palm]

about to make a really big plastic/rubber factory tho

[white dawn]

Nobody's going to be able to give you a definite answer about "enough" unless you're, like, literally doing Max Plastic or whatever and literally using all the map's oil

[shy mulch]

enough for what? depends what your goals are

[glad drum]

1 of each thing is enough if you just afk in game all day 😉

400 of each is enough for now though, yeah, you'll need more later though

[shrewd palm]

i think im using all the oil in the gold coast, 4k plastic and 5k rubber is gonna be more than enough for anything i plan on doing

[little goblet]

by the way, is it normal that hypertube accelerators need a certain direction to function properly, bc if i place them not in a specific direction they just gernerate near no spead.

[little goblet]

i plan on harvesting every single resource node in future, so i will definitely expand

[shrewd palm]

as long as you stack them properly you should be able to get basically infinite speed

your only limiter is how much hypertubes you want to place

[visual cosmos]

Not sure what you mean but hypertube accelerators work both ways assuming you do it properly

Yeah

[supple dune]

am i gonna be need a lot of iron rods later in game or should i focus all 960 per minute on making rotors