satisfactory

[storm talon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_turntable

[silk rose]

oh yes i thought i mistaken something

im sure it hella hard to code

[peak wasp]

I don't think anything beats coffee on a winter morning and an ice coffee in summer

[ionic forge]

They're cool asf though

Does satisfactory have mod support ?

[silk rose]

modding

no aint work i forgor

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @hard ivy

[peak wasp]

I don't like modding either

Unless it's an old game with no updates

[silk rose]

'>' is on modding server

[wild plume]

how does one delete a random, disconnected rail signal?

[hard ivy]

here it's !

[peak wasp]

But on the plus side. Modding can add cool features. If I was a game dev I would allow modding and implement good community mods in my game

[noble topaz]

How big should my factory be before I get trains?
I stopped myself from progressing to get more lines of stuff up

[cursive crane]

pretty much up to you, but its generally more a question of how far do you need to move stuff

advantage of trains is basically the highest throughput possible, with the only fuel being power. The largest problem is reduced cars depending on the slope it has to climb with weight, other than that, build away.

[upbeat rain]

Am I cooked if I want to generate the maximum amount of electricity in the game? (Without sam)

I just did some math and figured out what it means... I don't know what to do next in the game play

[mortal ginkgo]

you cant reach that max without using SAM as you need it for full uranium usage and need fisco rods etc

[hard ivy]

I mean without SAM it's not nearly as bad as with SAM 🙃

[mortal ginkgo]

also you will need to put 309485309850938903 amount of fuel generators because of efficient recipes of rocket fuel

[upbeat rain]

Sorry, I meant without using sam for uranium fuel rod

[rigid mist]

'nac de calice i thought train wagons held 40 stacks not 32 and now i need to add a second train to the loop

[mortal ginkgo]

I think you are fine then? I mean, what kind of "getting cooked" you are expecting? Time to make it? Setup?

[upbeat rain]

what?

[dreamy moss]

bro i tried studying railway signals it wont work bruhhhh

i played the game dor like 1 year and still haven't found out

[mortal ginkgo]

its a joke number, if you wanted to use rocketfuel to reach max power, you would need to put a lot of fuel gens

[mortal ginkgo]

block signals everywhere, path signals where there is a crossing etc

[hard ivy]

max power only requires like 6000 kekw

[dreamy moss]

path signals r the hard one

[mortal ginkgo]

"only 6000" he says

[dreamy moss]

it becomes an error

[mortal ginkgo]

if it is too close to the crossing and if your rail line is not finished, they can circle to themselves, aka error

[upbeat rain]

It seems that to say I beat the game is to use the Ficsonium Fuel Rod in the reactor
...
Correct me if I'm wrong...

[mortal ginkgo]

you beat the game when phase 5 is finished. Fisco Rod and stuff are for challenge enjoyers

[empty bobcat]

Its been a while since ive been on here much... is it just me or is the real struggle of this game overcoming decision paralysis? 😆

Also, at this point it feels like i have probably spent more time on excel and tools and wikis than actually playing the game... which is a lot since i have over 1700 hours clocked on steam for this lmfao.

[visual cosmos]

22.5/min heavy modular frame done

• I have excess of every resource other than modular frame

[mortal ginkgo]

when in doubt, make modular frames

[visual cosmos]

I have a 180*3 steel ingots, 30 encased industrial beam and 45 steel beams excess

I may have overdone it a bit in steel quantity

Oh and a pretty decent amount of iron too

[wicked nacelle]

You’ll use them don’t worry

[visual cosmos]

All per minute

I will yeah

Only issue is all of the coal around this area was used for that

Best thing to do is prob bringing the leftovers into a bus/highway

[wicked nacelle]

Upgraded miners solve that

[visual cosmos]

Not at mk3 yet yeah

I haven't worked on aluminum yet

here
https://discordapp.com/channels/370472939054956546/553550313533997057/1406359925478789210
the beautiful factory for 22.5 heavy modular frames
which isnt as messy as what i usually end up with

stil somewhat vertical in some areas

[upbeat rain]

@mortal ginkgo
💀
You can save all the SAM for the Ficsonium Fuel Rod at the end.
1,102,500 MW total

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=WaZQvFTrrhwwZg5CVhMF

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=BJaB2ZA9EEuD7JZKtLdp

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production?share=SHgLNgDOxpi7EKl2XOPD

[unkempt blade]

that's what I do with my food truck tacos after work sometimes

[peak wasp]

what is the trick to make the conveyor walls not clip?

[storm zephyr]

if i move my space platform do i have to do all my phases again

[knotty smelt]

nope

[wicked nacelle]

That would be funny as hell

And if you deconstruct your hub you respawn on a fresh world

[hasty peak]

if you delete your nuclear plant, it explodes

💥

[wicked nacelle]

Or if you interrupted water supply
It would melt down

[unkempt blade]

yeah and if you deconstruct your skate park all the factory carts you ollied into a lake jump back out of the lake

the underwater graveyard happens to the best of xtreme carters

[storm zephyr]

have we lost the plot?

[inner oak]

where do i report major game breaking bug

[unkempt blade]

it's not lost, we just took it off a jump into a lake - we know exactly where it went

[inner oak]

everytime i research quartz in the MAM my joystick kind of controller stops recieving input

[unkempt blade]

you could make a ticket for it on https://questions.satisfactorygame.com/ if you think it's a bug

[rigid mist]

"why is the alarm on my geiger counter shaped phone going off"

[visual cosmos]

Closest bauxite is 1.5km away

[unkempt blade]

just silence all notifications, they'll leave a message if it's important

[rigid mist]

that's what i named my uranium train station

cause i don't have a hazmat suit yet

[peak wasp]

bringing up a lift through a hole in a floor, will minor clipping affect production?

[visual cosmos]

Will not
If you care about it you can use holes which you get from the shop

"Conveyor lift floor hole"

[knotty smelt]

man this network graph is super intimidating

[lament niche]

hey guys don't add antidisestablishmentarianism to your steam username, it sends you to the steam shadow realm

[knotty smelt]

lmao

[sterile blade]

Every time an item goes through an object clipping with a belt, there's a 69.420% chance of it disappearing

[dire harness]

I thought they were adding controller support... it's totally unplayable on the steam deck..

It might not be as bad.. but for some reason the default layout disables the touch screen...

[limpid cairn]

Any good way to generate 2400 silica per min?

[lost wagon]

they should add a diffusion option for lights, instead of being just a spotlight like all of them are, you can se it to diffuse and light around without having a spot where it looks like you're looking at the sun

[hard ivy]

cheap silica

[unkempt blade]

you sure that's going to be enough?

[limpid cairn]

well, i got 12x2 assemblers that need 100 silica per min so i guess it should

[peak wasp]

oh no 🙁

[hard ivy]

the hell are you making?

[sterile blade]

Circuit boards!

[unkempt blade]

whatever it is he's either using slightly more or slightly less than a full mk6 belt of quartz depending on recipes

[limpid cairn]

aluminiumm

[hard ivy]

even at 250% OC, one assembler doesn't even take 70

[hard ivy]

that's a foundry, not an assembler

[limpid cairn]

is it?

mb

[hard ivy]

also, I hope you're using the alts for alumina and scrap

[limpid cairn]

i got the alt for alumina

not for scrap tho

unless you mean the oil coal one

[hard ivy]

I meant electrode scrap

but I gues instant scrap works too

it has the same bauxite -> scrap efficiency as sloppy + electrode

[unkempt blade]

yeah but what's the best flavor of aluminum?

[placid valley]

I am finally braving out and starting somewhere that isn't the Grassy Fields... so where is a go spot in the Rocky Desert for a starter coal plant?

[vale grotto]

Northwest by the sea is where I put mine

[hard ivy]

either east or west

[vale grotto]

Plenty of coal and water

[lost wagon]

east has 3 Pure nodes and water in the crater

[unkempt blade]

east up the cliffs, build a big ramp

[lost wagon]

northwest is all normal and impures iirc

east is high up so bringing power down can be annoying, also would need a pump for the water

[unkempt blade]

alternatively, skip coal entirely and just ride with biofuel until you get to oil

[lost wagon]

what a miserable life that would be

[unkempt blade]

hey you can automate it now besides the gathering, it's not too bad 😄

just get some sloops while you're cutting down trees so you can double it up

[lost wagon]

I didn't even start getting oil yet in this save and I would need around 40 biomass burner to keep my shit working

[placid valley]

I mean challenge mode Satisfactory would be finishing the game enirely with bio power.

[lost wagon]

and the work of getting fuel

[coarse epoch]

I think the answer is "not without mods" but I'm wondering there's a way to "detect" wrong parts. Like say I have a sushi belt that is supposed to have 5 different parts on it, and I'm using smart splitters or programmable splitters to route them. Then some unexpected part comes on the line. Obviously I can sink those to keep the line moving, but I also want to see when it happens so I can diagnose the issue.

The best thing I can come up with is to route to a storage container that overflows into the sink. If there is anything in that container then that's my wrong part, but I have to walk up and look into the storage to see that, there's no light or other type of alert indicting a problem. Maybe I'm asking if there's some way I can activate a light if a belt or container can something on it?

[unkempt blade]

better make it 80 so you have some room to expand

[lost wagon]

or I can just cut that effort in half and use coal

[coarse epoch]

one idea is to have a belt counter is some visible place. If it's not zero, I know there's a problem. But that would only work when there's a fairly steady supply of wrong parts

[sterile blade]

One challenge mode is to just use one (solid) input per machine 😉

[hard ivy]

you can filter them out and onto a dead end belt that ends in a visible place. so you'd see when an item appears without having to check a container

[unkempt blade]

set rules so it goes out the end of the sushi setup and then filter it to a storage container. Use a programmable splitter where all your good materials go one way and everything else overflows to storage. Or do the same with multiple smart splitters

[sterile blade]

You could connect the container to some complicated system that eventually leads to a power generator powering a light.
Ie: if an item comes in, it blocks the fuel input to the generator, causing the light to go off (or the other way around)

[peak wasp]

I wonder if I should set up factory like this

1st floor logistics conveyor belts, 2nd - 4th production, 5th transport/storage

[white dawn]

Folks who do logistics floors generally like having a logistics floor inbetween each production floor

Though you can certainly arrange stuff however you like. :)

[hard ivy]

actually, that is smart. if you merge the overflow belt with a coal supply to a generator, it'll stop working when a non-fuel item gets on its supply belt. if the gen stops, that'd cause the connected light to turn off. and you'd get the grid failure notification

[white dawn]

You can always make use of the ceilings as ways to route belts around, which can help obviate the need for logistics floors, of course

[sterile blade]

That's one way to do it!
This ain't my idea btw, I just happened to read about similar systems ^^

[sterile blade]

I do prefer to have one logistic floor serving multiple other floors. I feel that having one per floor leads to them being mostly empty space (inefficient and not quite nice-looking imo), space that can easily be filled by logistics for other floors... Although this does make it quite a bit harder to keep things neatly organized

[split pewter]

is there a different term for manifolds that take things and manifolds that output things

[placid stirrup]

I'm a big fan of vertical shafts through the entire height of the building with logistics handled within them

[unkempt blade]

it's a manifold going in and a manunfold going out

[split pewter]

in and on

kk

[placid stirrup]

Probably just merger/splitter manifolds, I'm sure folks would know what you're talking about

[split pewter]

kk

[unkempt blade]

sorry but manunfold is canon now

[split pewter]

manunfolds are so good

[teal geyser]

It has been a while since 1.0 and 1.1. When I place a pump on an existing pipeline, is the best practice to replace the pipes on either side of it after placing the pump still?

I've just been doing that, but was wondering if it got fixed

[shadow obsidian]

Is it me, or do rail signals never snap to the correct side of the rail, and the scroll wheel to switch sides never works when I need it to?

[placid stirrup]

It's you

[shadow obsidian]

😭

[hard ivy]

I mean I have heard several reports of signal placement behaving weirdly

but idk how common that is

[split pewter]

fixed for the most part, if you delete the pump you have to reconnect however

[teal geyser]

Won't the water simply shoot across into the next pipeline with that small of a gap though? 🤣

[split pewter]

no sadly, they patch the ends of the pipes because they cant "simulate" it 😔

[teal geyser]

Thank you

[modest nest]

I built my starter factory with the use of a nearby caterium node and forgot theres a rock and I don't have nobelisks unlocked yet

ah, this is going to be fun

[sterile blade]

Tbh, I don't recall a time when this was ever suggested... In which Update was this relevant?

[teal geyser]

The bug you mean? Used to be a bug (or still is) when you would place a pump on an existing pipeline but it wouldn't reconnect the pipeline inside the pump so to speak so you would have to rebuild the pipes on each side

[teal geyser]

Better farm some dakka!

[modest nest]

ooooooooo I need steel

[white dawn]

We do sometimes say that for people placing junctions on already-existing pipes. The main issue that intends to avoid is if placing the junction ends up leaving a really tiny bit of pipe inside the junction

[modest nest]

oh noo Ive made a grave mistake

I don't even have steel production unlocked

[white dawn]

Which I think can sometimes cause some problems on its own, if it's too small, but also often causes problems when folks are, like, upgrading from mk1->mk2; they'll visually upgrade everything to mk2 but there's that sliver of mk1 left inside

[sterile blade]

Uhm... Which Update though? 😅
Or was it just a 1.0 thing?

[white dawn]

In most situations it's a kind of unnecessary suggestion, but it's not a bad thing to suggest anyway just to hopefully avoid issues like that

[hard ivy]

you can find the steel scattered around the map usually

[white dawn]

(Not sure if the same can happen with pump placement, actually)

[sterile blade]

That can make sense...
Very few seem to consider how belts/pipes are split when items are snapped on them 😅

[teal geyser]

It was an issue before 1.0

[modest nest]

This is true I could go check some crash sites

[sterile blade]

Anything snapping on them, I think. Same as with belts and splitters/mergers

[white dawn]

Yeah, 'spose. :)

[sterile blade]

Oh, right, just like belts: you can actually use that to "weld" pipe segments together like with belts

[white dawn]

I suppose it gets mentioned more often in relation to pipes just 'cause there's so many ways to go wrong with pipes in general that it's helpful to advise the "cleanest" build styles in the hopes that'll just avoid those kinds of problems

[modest nest]

I could technically get a nobelisk from a lizard doggo but I don't know the chances on that

oh but detonator, ah

[sterile blade]

I don't think there was any advantage in doing that with pipes though...

[hard ivy]

what's the advantage with belts? other than that 1.0 dupe bug lol

[sterile blade]

Well, for one I think it's used to "weld" segments in a certain way so that belts with multiple segments along an incline don't have those straight sections around belt supports (complex placement, I can't recall the steps)
"Back in the days" it was also an effective way to fight the belt-to-belt throughput losses, as it literally eliminated the belt-to-belt connections thus eliminating losses... Dunno if this last part has any relevance nowadays 🤷‍♂️

Though, there were some... Funny side-effects if the method was abused
#design-and-architecture message (🎶 wiggle wiggle wiggle 🎶)

[peak wasp]

guys what is the best way to move conveyors down a level? im getting clipping

[hard ivy]

floor holes

[sterile blade]

Given how belts have been reworked since then, I do wonder what sort of visual effects can happen when abusing "belt welding" now

[peak wasp]

it clips as well #screenshots how do you feed into it?

[modest nest]

floor holes, from the awesome shop

[hard ivy]

I'd ignore it

[peak wasp]

I have them, but the lift goes up not down

[hard ivy]

it doesn't matter which way it's going?

[burnt ferry]

mk6 belts are really super conveniently easy to make.. especially with having the first alu setup for mk5 belts in mind..

[peak wasp]

yeah I need them to go down a floor

[hollow thunder]

press R to switch the mode to reversed placement mode or place the bottom one first

[burnt ferry]

i mean yes the power and you basically need mk6 belts to provide the material amounts but its straight forward and just works

[peak wasp]

ok that makes the bottom one reverse, sweet, but it's not connecting right to the floor hole
is there a way to line it up?

ok now it does

^_^

what goes on top of the floor hole, another lift?

[hollow thunder]

yep

[peak wasp]

it's clipping with the belt now

[hollow thunder]

wdym

[peak wasp]

i can't attach a belt too it, it's yellow

[hard ivy]

you only can't if it's red

if it's yellow, it's fine

[peak wasp]

yeah i don't want any clipping

[hollow thunder]

if you're trying to connect to the lift with a belt then the belt needs to be straight for no clipping

[peak wasp]

it's not working

#screenshots

[hard ivy]

the game often yells about clipping when there is none or you can barely see it

[peak wasp]

build mode is straight

[vestal merlin]

Random Q. At what point in the game did y'all start creating modular vertical builds or mega factories for any of the tiers?
I'm seeing some beautiful pics on Reddit and in here and it all seems so far out...

[peak wasp]

but somebody said you lose items?

[hollow thunder]

that's too short of a belt

[peak wasp]

ok i will try longer

[hard ivy]

?

[peak wasp]

same issue

[peak wasp]

here^

[hard ivy]

...

[peak wasp]

?

[sterile blade]

... My bad 😅

[sterile blade]

That was a joke!
The use of 2 consecutive "meme numbers" should be a clear indication of that 😅

So, for clarity: clipping doesn't affect game mechanics. It's purely visual.

[peak wasp]

oh ok, thanks

[sterile blade]

Sorry for the confusion 😆

[lost wagon]

this is why people hated clippy back then

[wicked nacelle]

I'm pretty sure clippy as an upgrade product for windows 3.11 that I sold people in boxes back in the day

[peak wasp]

it's not reversing

[wicked nacelle]

once a belt has a direction it can't ever be changed

[lost wagon]

yea, that's a Dyson Sphere Program only feature apparently

[peak wasp]

yeah the belt is going in the right direction

its just not feeding throug the hole

[lost wagon]

did you select the recipe? Powered the machine?

[peak wasp]

ofc

I just made it go outside instead of through the hole. reverse works

[sterile blade]

I don't think I understand what issue you're having exactly... Can you try explaining it all in one message? ^^

[lost wagon]

the only thing I can think of is that was trying to input through the output port

[pure bloom]

can anyone help me ive had the game since launch havent played since they added water. im trying to use the blueprints but none of what i download show up

[wicked nacelle]

It’s best to learn how to
Build yourself and not download blueprints. But you have to unlock the stuff before you can use blueprints you add too

[hard ivy]

1. blueprints have to be pasted into the appropriate folder and the world has to have BPs unlocked
2. it's better to make your own

[wicked nacelle]

Unlock blueprints. Make one. Then find the save location for it and put the ones you download there

[lost wagon]

then reload the save so they appear

[peak wasp]

I'm trying to get the conveyor belt through a hole. I will do some more testing and if I still struggle, I will make a help topic with pics

I got it working on a test, it might be the belt and lift types hmm

[empty hatch]

Belt directions always get weird with the holes. Make sure the directions are correct, usually best to start from on and work all the way

[hard ivy]

Lifts can go through floor holes

Belts can go through wall holes

NOT vice versa

[unkempt blade]

I just gave up and replaced all my conveyor holes with truck stops and factory carts and I haven't looked back

They work better, they look better, they improveme my frame and tick rates. It's 100% win

[rigid mist]

i caved
im making the hazmat suit

[unkempt blade]

may I ask why you didn't want to make it?

[rigid mist]

the funny

it did not end up being the funny

[lofty phoenix]

Quick question

How to get excited photonic matter

[hard ivy]

converter

[lofty phoenix]

What required material

[hard ivy]

power

[lofty phoenix]

How much?

[peak wasp]

yeah I hooked the belt to a lift to a hole and to a lift

[hard ivy]

250 MW for 200/min

depends on clock speed tho

[lofty phoenix]

Thanks

[trim oracle]

When's the next time the game might go on sale?

[hard ivy]

steam autumn sale probably

in ~1.5 months

[coarse epoch]

hey so I want to use a truck to deliver multiple parts. Ideally It would load half one item and half another item, but I'm not sure if something like that is possible? Maybe with timing/pausing the route?

Relatedly, if a truck simply drives by a station with fuel will it pick up the fuel even if it has no scheduled stop there?

[empty hatch]

Not possible with the truck, best you can do is balance loading into the depot but this requires the truck to pick it all up each time

[wicked nacelle]

!wikisearch truck

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=truck

[wicked nacelle]

yeah basically you have to do a sushi belt to the station

[coarse epoch]

darn, ok

[wicked nacelle]

if you sink excess on the delivery side it works fine even if you don't have the perfect ratio going in. but generally I'd stay away from that. though I also just stay away from all the vehicles. belts/trains/drones do a great job of everything you'd ever need.

[minor bay]

I saw there was a 4GB update to Experimental. Anyone know what it was or am I insane?

[wicked nacelle]

install it and let us know 🙂

[minor bay]

I would but I'm on regular branch at the moment for my dedicated server

[exotic pilot]

whats the sushi belt

[wicked nacelle]

the truck leaves a dirt trail behind it even when you're driving on foundation... slopppppppppy

[wicked nacelle]

it means you mix all the item types you need onto one belt and in the ratio that you consume them

think of the sushi restaurants with all the plates on a conveyor belt

[exotic pilot]

uhm ok

[wicked nacelle]

They're what pretentious people do to try to convince you that they're better than you 😛

[exotic pilot]

crazy

[wicked nacelle]

it's kinda cool though... you can run a manufacturer with only one belt feeding it, for example

[rose ridge]

Chat when will the release be on ps5?

[wicked nacelle]

supposedly this year, but no updates in a while so don't hold your breath

[rose ridge]

I Hope it will run good on it…

[exotic pilot]

why dont they add it so you can put a splitter directly onto an output so when one item fills up the next one can come out like in a freight station

[rose ridge]

Because the game is just too crazy for it I think to have high graphics

[wicked nacelle]

I'm sure it will run fine for a normal-size end-of-story factory. But no way it competes with a high end PC that already struggles with large full-world factories

the graphics aren't the problem. It's the CPU

[rose ridge]

Just release it now I can’t wait😭 😭

I would take the last bugs that it have just release it

[wicked nacelle]

they can customize the graphics level for the ps5 so that part of it runs fine but the actual factory simulation can't be optimized similarly

[rose ridge]

So I could play with my friends and like create a free server where I can play while he’s off and the server will run over night without me being in the world or nah?

[rustic otter]

after a lot of procrastination, i have decided to finally work on HMF, the amount of screws i need i cannont even comprehend

[exotic pilot]

why are hmf just only iron bruh

[rustic otter]

steel and concrete too

[exotic pilot]

but like 99% iron

[cunning glade]

Hey chat

[exotic pilot]

whats up chta

[cunning glade]

How does one fix this issue where when I tab out my game breaks

Just got back into the game forget it was a thing but holy fuck is it annoying

[exotic pilot]

uhm dont tab out possibly

[cunning glade]

If I tab out I have too hold power button down so it shuts down but I hold esc too cancel it

[exotic pilot]

huh

[cunning glade]

I lose full control over my PC and game I can move my mouse and click but nothing happens

And the game just runs in the background

Can't open task manager can't close anything

[exotic pilot]

yea good luck with that

[cunning glade]

Neat

[dense violet]

do you have a really old pc or something?

[cunning glade]

Sometimes tab out works sometimes it doesn't and completely breaks everything

[cunning glade]

12700k and 7900xtx old?

[dense violet]

maybey ou have bad drivers or something? how old is the windows OS install?

[cunning glade]

Windows os I think is 3 years old

Maybe closer too 4

So this issue has been around for 1 or 2 years now

[dense violet]

never heard of it

[cunning glade]

For me at least and I've gone thru alot of driver updates so

[dense violet]

afaik it's a specifically you issue

[wise junco]

Sabbisfackery

[cunning glade]

Right but why cuz it's only this game that does it

[dense violet]

I'd try to do a windows fix run. but after 4 years? Completely format yoru OS drive and do a full reinstall. After backing up your info ofc

[cunning glade]

I can tab out but I think if I tab out too quickly it breaks

Idk very confused but it's made annoying

Went too stream cuz I got the game for a friend and tabbed out and it happened

[dense violet]

shrug
4 years is well and truly into the 'nuke your OS and reinstall' territory. Fixes most issues

[cunning glade]

I don't really remember much just that's its annoying

[dense violet]

honestly something you should be doing every couple years

[cunning glade]

Wait can u reinstall ur os without loosing anything

[dense violet]

back up important files, often to another hard drive, format the crap out of the drive your OS is on

[cunning glade]

I don't have a hard drive

[dense violet]

use a USB for game files and image or something

[cunning glade]

So just move everything off the main ssd

[dense violet]

best thing to do with PCs though is probably have a smaller OS drive that runs only programs and OS , and then other drives for data and games and things

[cunning glade]

Cuz my is is on my 2tb drive I can move it too my 4tb

[dense violet]

so you do have a hard drive

a SSD is a hard drive

[cunning glade]

Oh

[dense violet]

just a type of one

[cunning glade]

Thought u meant like hdd specifically

[dense violet]

nah, don't matter what the variety is.

but yeah , back up to yoru other hard drive of whatever type you have or prefer, perform a full format. Preferably using a tool outside the windows installer

[cunning glade]

Okay yep

If i tab too fast it does it

[dense violet]

you can find a program to create a boot drive using a USB to format your drive

and create a windows install boot drive while you're at it since people are less likely to have dvd drives these days

[cunning glade]

I need a second monitor

[dense violet]

probably focus on the hard drives first 🙂

[cunning glade]

Nah I need one so bad

Like I love having a tv but man does it suck not having a second display

[dense violet]

well the hard drive thing is something you can fix now if you have the time. You'd have to actually go out and buy another monitor. That would crash your right when you alt tabbed to

[cunning glade]

Also pretty sure I did a os reinstall within like 2 years just don't remember if I did

[dense violet]

it's a bit of a process. I'd be surprised if you'd forget

[cunning glade]

I do such much stuff to bios I wouldn't be surprised if I did cuz I fucked something up

[dense violet]

I'm not talking about a pansy 'windows, please run a self fix' , reinstall

[cunning glade]

That's prolly what I did is windows reinstall

[hasty frigate]

Key takeaway is we're at a point where the go-to recommendation is: reinstall Windows every few years..

[cunning glade]

Oh ik

I understood that

[dense violet]

if they messed with bios a ton though, afaik, a windows reinstall won't alter any mistakes on that

[cunning glade]

Yeah but I'm pretty sure I remember reinstalling a bunch of shit cuz I did something too os but ur right that would be a simple battery removel and wait

Is there a in-game fps counter

[eternal geyser]

what’s with the tech talk?

[cunning glade]

Having game issues

Idk what other channel too use for fast help so

[wicked nacelle]

https://discord.com/channels/370472939054956546/457105940844380160

[misty summit]

@cunning glade have you tried touching yourself at night?

really clears the mind dude, easier production follows

[cunning glade]

Huh

[cunning glade]

Ah rocket league player makes sense

[misty summit]

@cunning glade 😄

[heavy pine]

"When I think about you I touch myself. In the eye. With a fork."

[misty summit]

WHOA

[hasty frigate]

RL is the best sport game ever &it's not even close

[misty summit]

@hasty frigate ❤️

[storm zephyr]

are there servers in this game or do i have to be online for my friend to join

[white dawn]

There are not "public" servers like some games have, which are centralized and you can browse for, etc.

You can do multiplayer either by connecting to friends' games, or them connecting to you, or there is also a "dedicated server" which you can run on internet-connected hardware

Some third parties do provide Satisfactory game hosting with dedicated servers, though the developers aren't actually related to any of that

But in all cases you've got to know what you're connecting to (ie: session ID, IP Address, whatever); you can't browse ingame to find any of that

[heavy pine]

Ahh, much better. Converted to turbofuel for my generators, added more generators, and I've gone from about 11GW of power to 22GW. It's not completely stable yet, gonna give it some time for the turbofuel to be properly distributed.

I was going to see about getting aluminum set up, but the other projects took all day.

[wise junco]

it be like that sometimes

[heavy pine]

It do indeed. At least now I should have plenty of power to revamp my starter base and get aluminum going, but that may have to wait until tomorrow.

111 hours on the current game. A good chunk of that was waiting for phase 3 elevator parts to craft.

[strong sable]

hey yall does anyone know how trains work i have a small problem and cant find any solution

[compact idol]

twain:

🚂 Trains

Tracks → Trains can only move where you lay track.

Stations → They load/unload items.

Trains → Locomotive + freight cars.

Schedules → You set which stations to stop at, and what to do (load/unload).

Power → The whole railway must be powered.

🚦 Signals (for when you have more than 1 train)

Think of signals as traffic lights for trains.

Block Signal → Splits the track into “blocks.”

A train can only enter a block if no other train is inside.

Used for straight tracks, to stop trains colliding.

Path Signal → Used at intersections or merges.

It checks if the whole path through the junction is clear before letting the train go.

Prevents trains from blocking each other in the middle of a crossing.

👉 How to use them simply:

Place block signals before and after stations, so trains don’t run into each other.

Place path signals before intersections, so only one train goes through at a time.

Always make sure signals face the direction trains travel.

So in short:

Block signal = don’t crash into a train ahead.

Path signal = don’t get stuck in the intersection.

[dense violet]

lots of people do. But you'll almost certain need to post images, so post in #math-and-meta if it's quick.

#1038092680493801533 if you're really stuck

[strong sable]

ok thanks for the notice

[dense cave]

is it possible to command a train to drive backwards?

like with the schedule and stuff

[strong sable]

i think yes if you place a lokomotive on both ends of the train and each facing the opposite way

[dense cave]

aight

[wicked nacelle]

yeah, it won't drive backwards, but it will pick the other engine to drive forward. Note that the station direction must match the one that is going forwards

[hasty peak]

isnt the best use case of opposite trains is when you have a short distance to transport stuff

[peak wasp]

is there a trick to get the conveyor belts straight? always seem curved no matter what

[sick dragon]

for drones how do people typically fuel them do they just have a station at each drone location dedicated to getting fuel? seems to be the only way i know of to deliver fuel to where its needed

[white dawn]

Yeah, that's probably the most common way to do it

Have a fuel depot with an open port or three (with ISC buffers) and then have your remote drone sites fetch the fuel

Remote sites'll take threeish fuel-fetching trips to fill up their buffers until the drone reverts to spending most of its time sitting at the remote site waiting to unload, so the ISC buffers in front of the fuel depot ports allow the system to handle sudden demands for fuel from new sites

(Given how infrequently your fuel fetchers will end up needing to fetch fuel, you probably don't need multiple ports at the fuel depot, but I tend to put in two or three anyway and kind of round-robin which port I assign when spinning up new drone sites)

[sick dragon]

im putting 4 just because i want my roof to look busy lol

[wicked nacelle]

or use plutonium rods if you're at your nuclear factory since it's already radioactive there's no penalty for keeping some plutonium rods around

[knotty barn]

@peak waspCreate concrete foundations to make conveyors straight, then you may delete the foundations if you like

[wicked nacelle]

you can also hold control - doesn't that try to build them straight?

[agile grotto]

Is there a good YouTube for train signals?

[wicked nacelle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGw8ngs--7o

careful there is a bug if you put them at the snap point for a rail merge/split it often won't change the rail color status and say "rail loops back on itself" and you just have to move the signal back a smudge

This bug happens frequently when you place it at that snap point

[peak wasp]

ahhh good tip ty

[agile grotto]

Thanks. Doing my first multi train on same tracks

[wicked nacelle]

path signals seem weird until you understand them -- but you never NEED path signals, so just do everything with block signals until you get the feel for it 🙂

then later you can swap out the junction entrance block signals for path signals where it makes sense.

[rigid mist]

once i got all the uranium i thought i would be done but i forgot that i still needed all the other resources for the nuclear plant

[minor schooner]

about to finish Phase 4, after having taken something of a few months break

seeing phase 5 for the first time is gonna be something, thats for sure

[latent prawn]

phase 5 is pretty simple to cheese to get the game's ending, but taking it seriously takes gobs of work 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

If you get stuck, feel free to post and there are always lots of people looking to help people learn trains 🙂

[agile grotto]

Thanks. I think I got it. We will see if they crash or freeze

[topaz shale]

I think I'm finally going to be able to get past phase 3 for the first time soon. Very exciting.

[full perch]

do i need silica or quartz crystal more

[boreal musk]

depends

[restive summit]

Is there any point in getting phase 5 yet? Does it unlock anything?

[boreal musk]

peak efficiency

mk6 belt, the best part of phase 5

[wicked nacelle]

Including the ability to fully utilize overclocked pure nodes.

Oops not supposed to be that reply

[dense violet]

entirely depends on your recipe choices. You could use almost none of either if you wanted

[dense violet]

they might have meant unlocking phase 5 as in completing it?

[dense violet]

in fact you could cut out all silica and only need a handful of crystal for a full world production line

[heady ether]

ive been trying to post things in Q and Help, but i have no idea what my question could contain that is getting blocked and making me unable to post it

[burnt ferry]

ducking swear words

[heady ether]

i dont have any

no vulger words or anything

[dense violet]

I think ther's a cooldown to how often you might be able to post? or maybe you're puting in not whitelisted links

[lavish burrow]

(and then later you can swap those out for grade separated interchanges that don't need path signals, but do need excessive amounts of compulsive curved rail gradient tweaking)

[round vault]

guys how do i give the crash pod battery 40mw of power to open it? my biofuel burners arent working

[burnt ferry]

it is very easy to trap trains with path signals in interssections 😂 .... the reason to use path signals is a block signal having more than one 'path' going through it... e.g. two parallel tracks which cant be switched within the block

the same situation with block signal would avoid getting trapped because the train doesnt even enter the block... so the path signal is a way to reduce waiting time at blocks... those can certainly look like deadlocks, also when they are actually just badlucks

likewise the long waiting time of block signals could trap a train in between two intersections, which from above looks very similar probably

[dense violet]

are you wearing a hoverpack?

[reef basin]

Some links?

[heady ether]

i posted it, but #1406514504338247720

i had to send an image i genuinely have no idea what it was

[faint reef]

Is going around the map collecting every hard drive worth it in the middle of phase 3?

[wicked nacelle]

it is if it makes you happy. for most people probably not

also there will be ones you don't have parts for

also you won't be able to unlock many recipes anyhow, so you'll get to "no scans available" pretty quick

[faint reef]

The parts I can usually find around other drop pods no? I cleared rocky desert and half of the forst that way. I assumed I can find all of them

[round vault]

nope

dunno what that is

[wicked nacelle]

yes, many you can find parts for at other drop pods. Pretty sure not all of them though.

[heady ether]

did you connect 2 into a pole and then connect it to the pod?

let them run for a second then wire it

[round vault]

i tried but it kept turning off

let them run for a sec?

[heady ether]

like just let them run and start burning, sometimes when i do that one starts and the second one doesn’t and it blows a fuse

[wicked nacelle]

but anyhow there are already more hard drives than alts + inventory slot upgrades and you haven't gotten access to the full pool of alts, so getting all the hard drives isn't that useful for you right now, but if it sounds fun then go for it. And of course SCIM can tell you where they are and which ones you haven't collected yet, too -- all on a nice map

[round vault]

alr2 let me try rq

[topaz shale]

Just in case, you do need 2 biofuel burners if giving power to a 40mw crash site

[wicked nacelle]

it's best to just have a blueprint with as many of them as you can stuff in one so you can just drop it down and then pick it up in one click, too

[round vault]

ty2
js did it

[heady ether]

i never even thought of that

that’s smart i’ll have to do that next time

[wicked nacelle]

I didn't think of it either.

some of the crash sites take way more than 40mw, too. I've manually put down like 12 bioburners before

it was a 4head moment when I saw someone toss down a blueprint -- same thing works with hypertube cannons and you can turn around really quick and deconstruct it as you're flying away if you're good

[round vault]

do i pick basic iron ingot or copper rotor recipe

[sterile blade]

A work of art

[dense violet]

which recipe might you next use?

[round vault]

🤷‍♂️

[dense violet]

reroll or pick at random then

youre never locked out of a recipe

[round vault]

you can reroll?

[dense violet]

once per drive

[round vault]

bet

[sterile blade]

Only if you roll higher than 6.9

[round vault]

higher than a 6.9?

[sterile blade]

Don't mind me, just spewing bad jokes

[wicked nacelle]

if you don't want a recipe that you get right now just don't pick. It locks out those two from future drive scans until you pick one so you'll get more varied options by not picking

[hollow gyro]

i've been struggling with pipes recently. i'm doing diluted fuel with blenders, fed from above, with a "loopback" if that's the right term, and the water always runs out eventually, even if I prefill everything.

[wicked nacelle]

if there are two options that aren't things you want and you pick one you could get the other "bad" one on your next scan

[wicked nacelle]

I've switched all mine to packaged diluted fuel. Everything runs super smooth and routing the fuel is super easy on belts vs pipes and you can use tools like smart splitters with the packaged fuel.

[round vault]

alrite ty

ima js hold onto these

[wicked nacelle]

and the water packagers run 600/m just fine without any tricks. just plug in 2 extractors to 4 packagers

[dense violet]

are the water producers backing up?

[hollow gyro]

is that an actual issue? lemme check.

[dense violet]

well if youre blenders aren't getting enough water, then your water extractors should be backing up

if they aren't backing up, it means you've mathed wrong

if they are, it's a flow problem

[hollow gyro]

they are backed up currently, and i've checked headlift to be fine as well.

[dense violet]

well you could make a post in #1038092680493801533 with some overhead images of how you're piping things?

[hollow gyro]

yeah i'm taking a few images now

posted

[faint reef]

so what is the reason chainsaw cant use packaged fuel? Why do i have to still waste my time making biofuel?

[reef basin]

You don't have to waste time if you automate

[burnt ferry]

the amount you chainsaw is far more than the cost.. just have a container connected to some constructors and smart splitters.. you dont even have to slop it.. thenjust dump alll the foliage every now and then... you can target farm it by cutting mycelia

[faint reef]

i get that i can automate some of it but its just seem ridicolus that a fucking chainsaw cant use liquid fuel

[burnt ferry]

one container is 1m3 right? so you want to fill a chainsaw from a 1 by 1 by 1 meter container? 😂

[faint reef]

carrying early game fuel with me just to use it also feels like a waste of inventory slot

[reef basin]

Inventory slots are almost pointless given we have depots

[burnt ferry]

have you cut even one tree yet?

[dense violet]

I mean, you can basically never use it too.

[burnt ferry]

its SO damn much

[dense violet]

use a few bombs

[burnt ferry]

and like i said: just cut mycelia, the rates at which it converts to solid bf are insane

[modest nest]

If it's that annoying get the fuel chainsaw mod

[dense violet]

honestly having the chain saw is a more of a waste of space

[burnt ferry]

also focus on the mam research tree at alien tech, left side @faint reef

(in case you have also pre-theorized it: its a lot better than you think)

[faint reef]

i am almost finished with all of the mam

its jsut feel stupid that it cant use normal fuel

[burnt ferry]

so you have the depot and are actively using it? then you shouldnt have any issues with fuel.. not even the wasted inventory slot youy mentioned

[burnt ferry]

solid biofuel is in fact 'normal' fuel.. its just pellets... i mean i dont understand what you expect anyways.. even if you could use normal fuel.. it would sit at the very same inventory slot whre you currently have the solid biofuel

[faint reef]

yes but i already have normal fuel for the jetpack

[modest nest]

Yeah but fuel is also used for the jetpack

[burnt ferry]

seems like you are only theorizing stuff without trying things out.. just start cutting wood and believe everyone of us telling you its not a big deal

its so much not a big deal that its a bit funny even and my troll brain starts to create jokes on it

[burnt ferry]

thats a separate mistake.. you want to use liquid biofuel as long as you cant use ionized fuel

[modest nest]

What

[burnt ferry]

because of how long it lasts

[modest nest]

The jetpack doesn't use solid biofuel

[burnt ferry]

no

liquid biofuel.. you both wrote ' normal' fuel

[velvet idol]

bro confusing solid biofuel and liquid biofuel

[burnt ferry]

im not

[modest nest]

You are though

Whatever

[velvet idol]

" you want to use solid biofuel as long as you cant use ionized fuel because of how long it lasts"

literally your own words

[burnt ferry]

you might have mant liquid biofuel with 'normal' fuel

[burnt ferry]

fixed.. thanks

[faint reef]

I am using Packaged Fuel to be exact and you are kind of a dick btw

[burnt ferry]

so no liquid packaged BIOfuel?

[modest nest]

Yeah, anyways, bit wizard I'd just look at the fuel chainsaw mod if it's irritating

[peak wasp]

evening, pioneers

[modest nest]

Evenin

[burnt ferry]

i mean you can call me a dick if you want (in fact thats my artist name 😂 ) but i just wanted to recommend you the lbf which lasts for 57 seconds instead of the 18 seconds or so of the normal fuel.. it might be my fault that you misunderstood that but still no reason to be rude.. at least use the fullname (dick mullen) and shout out my soundcloud as well 😂

@faint reef

[faint reef]

seethe

[velvet idol]

the question was about the chainsaw

[burnt ferry]

i know that one was responded

the lbf ting was a small addition

i mean. i could have made fun about the fact that this player pretends to be so super experienced with the game and then fails to comprehend the chainsaw-fuel-situation.. thats like playing cities skylights and then going.. wait a minute.. nobody said i have to BUILT the city.... thin ice

[velvet idol]

it's a pretty fair question to ask why chainsaws can't use liquid fuel in the game

[modest nest]

It's over already man

[faint reef]

when did i say i was experienced lmao

[boreal musk]

there should be one chainsaw mod that use packaged fuel

its called Super Chainsaw

unlockable in tier 5

[wicked nacelle]

it only runs on the blood of lizard doggos

[modest nest]

That's the one I'm talking about

[wicked nacelle]

you'd think if a couple batteries can power a drone to carry 4500 copper powder = 27000 copper ingot(is that right? 6:1?) across the map that they could run your hoverpack, too.

[sterile blade]

I'd just look at nobelisks. Faster, more effective, funner~

If only it had a fuel slot 🤷‍♂️

[modest nest]

Yeah but he's asking about the chainsaw

[sterile blade]

So anything that achieves similar (or arguably better) results is off the table? XD

[modest nest]

Unless he asks for alternate solutions I'm going to help him play how he wants to

Personally I've been finding it fun to find new stuff out for myself recently so unless someone asks I'm not going to try and change their mind

[scenic mirage]

why cant i nudge stackable conveyor poles? im trying to place it on the edge of my blueprint designer but it wont let me it just says partially overlapping

[shy mulch]

You can nudge the first one before you zoop

[scenic mirage]

it wont let me nudge it tho

like it just doesnt move

[reef onyx]

Hello everyone 🙂

[modest nest]

Press H to lock hologram first, before placing then nudge

[scenic mirage]

🤷‍♂️ i dunno why it isnt working i tried that

[modest nest]

Oh

Maybe try without it being in the zoop mode?

[scenic mirage]

the issue is tho im tryna place it on the edge of my blueprint designer and it just says "partially overlapping blueprint designer" but i have a normal conveyor pole there too and its fine

[modest nest]

Oh it's because the stackable pole is wider than a normal conveyor

[peak wasp]

how goes the factory?

[reef onyx]

Are you okay ?

[modest nest]

Pretty good, restarted last night from my previous tier 8 save, wanted to do things better this time and spend time making things look nice as well as produce more and be more functional

How goes your factory?

[peak wasp]

Seems like a natural progression. We always want to do better. This game brings the best out of us.

[peak wasp]

pretty good, setting the main base to produce everything, just got to oil tier 🙂
taking a break for the night

[modest nest]

Nice nice, oil powers a pretty big milestone

That's one thing I'm doing differently this time, I'm going to be using turbo fuel instead of normal fuel

[peak wasp]

been playing for about 5 days now, original save 🙂

learning every day

turbo fuel, im still on coal hehe

[modest nest]

Oh I'm a ways off turbo fuel I'm just planning way ahead haha

[wary fox]

Is there any way to prioritise what my truck picks up?

[modest nest]

One truck per item

Or just have it drive to the stop that has the more priority item first

[modest nest]

Nice, I don't even remember my first save, it was in version .6 I believe

[sterile blade]

Iirc, the stations should unload their inventory from bottom (last inventory slot) to the top. So the last item you put in the station will be the first in the truck.
Ofc, I might be missremembering and it's the other way around (top-to-bottom)

[wary fox]

tyvm

[ashen tulip]

does anyone know how to fix the game freezing when i alt tab?

[boreal musk]

youre right, they will always take from the most bottom first

[agile lake]

hey guys, I have a dedicated server running satisfactory, but when I'm trying to connect to it I'm getting stuck on initialization screen, anyone had this before?

[wild plume]

If q is the build tab and x is the customisation tab, is there a shortcut for the blueprints tab?

[green fiber]

nope

[dense violet]

blueprints are part of the build tab

[wild plume]

so is the customiser though

but that tab has its own shortcut

[dense violet]

BPs are just a submenu like Power or Transportation. Rather than it's own thing

[wild plume]

no they're not? it's a tab at the top

[dense violet]

could have sworn they're just under Special?

[wild plume]

are you thinking of the blueprint builder itself?

[dense violet]

no just the bps

[wild plume]

nah they are a separate tab entirely

[dense violet]

huh well there you go

[boreal musk]

wish we have shortcut for blueprints as well

[soft orchid]

Hey everybody! How many of you change place of there starter base during the game? Mine is being not compartimented.

[round vault]

how do i not die to uranium

[round vault]

what does compartimented mean dawg

[soft orchid]

You have to do thing from far and get the suit.

[round vault]

alr

anyways im finna change the location of my starter place rn

[soft orchid]

All my factory is not in the same direction. And its not clear for everyone

[sterile blade]

Why does it need to be clear for everyone? Are you in multiplayer?

[soft orchid]

No. I'm playing alone. But i make mystake sometimes to put the right thing at the right place. Its not really organized

[pastel trail]

The quartz research doesn't give me +6 Inventory Slots, Is there any solution?

[sterile blade]

Tbh, I find it pretty convenient and simple to set up a new "starter base" from scratch once I have all needed items in depots at decent enough speed and number of stacks

Before that, it's a big chore...

[soft orchid]

Yeah all my tier 1 to 3 is in that factory. And the dépot its not at the same place either. I should probably put a bus of conveyor to move everything at a centralized depot. But, i've never seen the whole map so i dont know where to put it

[scenic mirage]

anywhere you want 😉 you'll always be rebuilding

[soft orchid]

I always put my starter near the spawn point. I'm a real noob at planning

I must admit that i restart the whole thing 6 time without finishing one game in 5 years. I dont know how to be organized and have sufficient space for upgrade. And when upgrading the amount of item/minutes

[boreal musk]

you will get better, its normal

my factories used to be like dog water

already spent 1k hrs and still learning

[soft orchid]

First time i play i was so working on small place that when trucks begins and even trains, i was not able to figure out how to implement it in the actual game

I still dont know hot to plan my stuff for future use of those truck and trains. All is messy

[split pulsar]

the overflow filter on the smart splitter makes it so that, let's say if the front conveyor is full, only then it will allow the rest of the items to go right/any other direction, so it will never let items go to the right until the front conveyor is full, is this correct?

[soft orchid]

Yeah! That i know it.

Container or conveyor too could happen

[shy mulch]

Hey guys. I'm making a train that will go a tour of the dune desert collecting up all the copper ore and deliver it to a processing facility over the sea where there will be a disgusting number of refineries using water with pure copper ingot alt. My question is one of deciding how to structure the rail around the desert. I don't know whether to have a separate station per node, or group them up with belts and have a few larger stations. Happy to hear any opinions or thoughts

[boreal musk]

since the copper nodes there in cluster, might as well make it into one big station

[shy mulch]

there are certainly clusters of them, but there are some all over the place, I'm not keen on running km long belts

just can't decide how I want to do it 🙁

[heavy pine]

Trucks bringing ore from the clusters to a handful of train stations?

[modest nest]

^

Or drones

[dense violet]

run belts under the train line to more concentrated spots

[shy mulch]

Hmmm this is an interesting idea, I likey

[shy mulch]

I think the quantities and distances don't really suit drones

[shy mulch]

Never used trucks, but it's actually not a terrible idea, might be an opportunity to learn how they work

[heavy pine]

I'd say trucks are simpler than trains, as far as setting up the path goes. You do have to figure out how to get fuel to them, and for that I'd suggest adding a car full of packaged fuel to the ore train and have that providing fuel to the truck stop(s) where the trucks are dropping off the ore.

Of course that also means getting fuel to the train.

[shy mulch]

Getting fuel to the station is easy enough. I have an army of drones that can send rocket fuel anywhere it's needed

I assume trucks can use rocket fuel?

[heavy pine]

I don't think I've tried anything beyond regular fuel in trucks, but then again I'm not an expert. I've only ever finished the space elevator projects once, and I used a lot of AWESOME coupons to get over the finish line.

[shy mulch]

Will trucks be able to reliably traverse the desert? Or should I set up roads for them?

[heavy pine]

I'd always do roads for trucks. Much more reliable, less chance of wildlife getting in the way.

[shy mulch]

I think I'm gonna build the rail loop first, big lap of the desert, vaguely near the main clusters of nodes. Then take it one step at a time from there, put some stations in, then see if belts look neat enough. If the belts end up messy then may try trucks, but I'm concerned about the reliability of the trucks

[slender quest]

Trucks should be fine, they levitate anyway once they are too far from player to actually simulate physics.

[shy mulch]

Every time I see anyone talking about trucks, I see the words "usually" and "should" and "chance" a lot. Is there a process that I can say it will be truly 100% reliable and predictable like I can with a belt or a train?

[dense violet]

it's more that early on people are bad at recording paths.

that's basically it. It takes practice

[shy mulch]

so I should look up some tutorials on drawing the paths, they sound messy

I like trains, they are simpler lol

[scenic mirage]

spoiler? ||i just had a heart attack i jumped into the beam of my alien power augmenter and wtf||

[shy mulch]

yeah, that happens lol

[dense violet]

not really. Just choose terrain and design your factories to accomadate them.

trains are only 'simpler' becaues you ahve to build a ton of infrastructure for them and you can see clearly the path you're building

[shy mulch]

hmmmm, I probably need to play with them a bit to get a feel for it

as with everything in this game, it probably seems very complicated until you've done it 10 times then it's easy, then when you've done it 100 times you can't remember why it ever seemed hard

[dense violet]

it all has it's learning curves.

[shy mulch]

did someone say curves 😄

[dense violet]

but to use trucks w/o having to build a ton of infrastructure (highways) you do need to plan location and paths around them. You can't really add them slip shod without having planned for them

[shy mulch]

seems like if i'm going to that effort I'd be as well just building more train stations

[heavy pine]

Part of what's been slowing me down in my current game is building out the roads I've been planning to use. Then I get sidetracked trying to come up with a train system that could be laid on top of the roads.

[shy mulch]

i already have loads of rail infrastructure, adding to it isn't that hard, just thought maybe there was a better way, but long belts seem messy and I'm not convinced by trucks

[dense violet]

that's why you use natural roads and plan factories around it

[heavy pine]

I can't seem to get the rail signals to point in the right direction unless they're placed at the seam between two pieces of track.

[vestal flare]

This but setting up a 4 track wide train network(outer on each side for regular trains, inner’s for nuclear)

4 as in 2 tracks going each direction

[heavy pine]

But nature is the enemy! 😄

We must bend this planet to our will in the name of FICSIT

[dense violet]

yeah, it saves you hundreds of hours of work and 10s of thousands of objects slowing your game down. What a bastard

I don't know why people seem to think satisfactory is about destroying nature. There's no pollution and you barely have to clear away anything to build giant factories

[modest nest]

Could have a main road and then like for the smaller sections and general area resource gathering use natural roads

[heavy pine]

I'm also building my roads a few hundred meters in the air so I don't have to worry about going around so many obstacles.

[dense violet]

I'm amazed you just didn't get a mod that flattens the world

[heavy pine]

I've yet to investigate modding. There's not a whole lot about the game that I'd change.

[modest nest]

Infinite zoop

Saves so much time

[heavy pine]

Been having a weird bug where I can't connect two Mk2 pipes to a floor hole. One will connect, but then it's like the other is trying to connect to the same end of the hole.

[random sphinx]

just some bug, need to replace the hole

I usually test all my holes every time I finish blueprint (can I swap direction on belt hole, if I can, bug... etc)

[heavy pine]

I usually end up putting in a Mk1 pipe and replacing it.

[faint reef]

Are the block and path signals the same as the rail and chain signals in factorio?

So Path signal into intersection, Block signal out?

[boreal musk]

pretty much

[merry mountain]

Okay, time's up, it's mid-August, where's the dev stream!? Lol

[unkempt blade]

I heard you unlock it when you beat the game

[hard ivy]

Not exactly the same, but they're close

Path signals are red by default, which means they behave differently from chain signals sometimes

[green fiber]

Path signals also dont need to be placed mid-intersection like chain signals as path signals check train paths before they enter - meaning that if the paths of 2 trains never cross, both are allowed into the intersection at the same time

im pretty sure the Path signal is directly inspired by the one from OpenTTD - which is the same game that inspired factorio signal i believe (if not the signals from Transport Tycoon)

[stiff horizon]

teammm pls help me

[modest nest]

What's up

[stiff horizon]

i will make picture in wplace.live

satisfactory picture

[bright helm]

Tell us where

I want to set wall colour which would be applied on walls just after building them. Is it possible?

Because I only option with material

[modest nest]

Open your customizer and right click on the swatch and then select the check boxes on what to auto apply it to

[placid lake]

How come I can't set a keybind for [right ctrl + mouseup] ? When I try it, it sets it for left ctrl ... same thing happens for shift key

[heavy pine]

Hmm... the caterium deposit is about 400m away from my ore processing. Is that too far to run belts?

[onyx siren]

I have run belts over 1km, 400m is nothing much

[limpid cairn]

guys do i use the aluminium casing alt recipe (copper and aluminium) or the normal recipe?

like which one is better

[dense violet]

like every recipe, it depends on you and your situation

is adding copper to get more cassings worth it to you?

if so yes

if no no

[vestal merlin]

i've started to belt things farther out, the beginning zone is very generous with proximity of deposits... but yeah now until better transport is unlocked, you've got things running down

[bright helm]

Thank u

[onyx siren]

That's up to you, I'd use it if there is extra copper nearby that I am not using for anything else

[clever sandal]

react this man above me with the flag of republic of lithuania

[onyx siren]

Idk about you, but i live pretty close to sea level, so it's hard to imagine i am above you

Do they have satisfactory in Atlantis

[clever sandal]

yeah

[slate python]

That’s crazy

[sick dragon]

well thats a sentence i woke up to

[limpid cairn]

idk for what i even need casings atm since im just building my aluminium factory

[heavy pine]

And the mention of Atlantis makes me think of that Hbomberguy clip responding to Ben Shapiro saying that people can sell their coastal homes and move if climate change causes flooding. "Sell their homes to who, Ben? F||S||CKING AQUAMAN?!"

[dense violet]

wait until you do then

[hard ivy]

Building blenders

[onyx siren]

Vague spoiler if you want to know: ||Research the mycelium and sulfur in the M.A.M.||

[limpid cairn]

both unlucked fully already

idk what you mean with that

[onyx siren]

Oh, rifle ammo (sulfer tree) and ionized filters (which require gas filters from mycelia tech tree)

[topaz shale]

I probably should have built a factory that builds the phase 3 elevator parts for me.

[quick trout]

guys this might sound a lil weird but does anyone know when the next sale is

[dense violet]

no? why would a company advertise a sale

[hard ivy]

steam autumn sale most likely

[true mulch]

yeah the game goes on sale on most storewide sales

[unkempt blade]

It's got a 30% off on humble bundle. Might be worth seeing if there are any other sales on other stores too

[true mulch]

https://isthereanydeal.com/game/satisfactory/info/

yep, it seems to be on sale on HB

https://www.humblebundle.com/store/satisfactory

[unkempt blade]

yeah not sure how that compares to recent steam sale prices but if you want it now 😆

[true mulch]

according to the price history, 30% off is the biggest sale since the price increase

[lost wagon]

depending where you live buying on HB is more expensive than on steam without sale

[modest nest]

Vpn

[lost wagon]

HB is dollar based store, vpn won't help you

[true mulch]

not sure how it works on HB but usually the region is based on your account location, not your IP

at least that's the case on Steam and Epic

[modest nest]

Ah

[bright magnet]

im spending soo much time cleaning up my base and jesus i made the aluminimunimun VERY compact compared to what it was ... next to tackle is iron ... gonna move out of its location to a much wider area

[lost wagon]

I forgot what I was gonna to say before I got swept by the sale talk lmao

[unkempt blade]

probably something about how great factory carts are

[lost wagon]

who

[unkempt blade]

you! I could sense that's what you were thinking about

it's definitely not projection it's telepathy

[modest nest]

How many factory carts are currently in operation in your save

[unkempt blade]

I just started a 1.1 save recently so not too many yet. My 1.0 was somewhere over 100 last I checked

[modest nest]

Good lord

I think I've owned a total of 1 factory cart in my 200 hours of playtime

[unkempt blade]

I changed some of the longer routes to trains so that cut it down a little but I kept most of the shorter routes as carts

I really enjoy vehicles but I wish the UI for creating/changing routes was a bit easier to use

[lost wagon]

don't think I ever get a place where I could use factory carts, because the distance I need to transport shit it's always either medium or long

[dense violet]

just use a lot of them

[unkempt blade]

yeah adding carts doesn't take much effort at all, recording the route for the first cart is where the effort is involved

they just queue up at truck stops if you wind up with too many #screenshots message

[clever sandal]

factory carts beat anything, except trains i like trains

[limpid cairn]

guys im missing 20 copper ingots per min

do i just sloop some smelters to fix that issue?

or do i get another copper node

[clever sandal]

avarege mk 1 mine can basically be shared with 2-3 smelters (depends on node purity)

[mortal ginkgo]

what is this madness my eyes had to witnes!?!??!?!

[hard ivy]

are you using pure ingot already?

[limpid cairn]

no

[slate python]

What does slopping do

[modest nest]

Pure node is 4 smelters with mk1 usually

[limpid cairn]

i need 320 ingots per min and the only node close to is a normal one which gives 300 ingots per min atm

[unkempt blade]

that's the end cap on one of the long cart routes I had that was keeping up with the at the time max mk5 conveyors

[hard ivy]

pure copper ingot gives you 2.5 ingots per ore

[clever sandal]

oh well I have usually shared along like 2-3 smelters

[mortal ginkgo]

i will call mods.

[unkempt blade]

don't be like that, just accept the greatness of factory carts

[boreal musk]

dont do that, just math it

[clever sandal]

why you need 320 copper in a minute

[boreal musk]

how much resources, how much pm a smelter can do

[clever sandal]

i like trains

[limpid cairn]

aluminium

i got 24 foundries

[unkempt blade]

I agree, trains are pretty great too

[limpid cairn]

im producing 980 aluminum ingots per min on one side of my manifold

[clever sandal]

choo-choo motherf_cker

[naive dagger]

speaking of trains, is there a way to reduce the area that train signals are snapping to the switches

[clever sandal]

idk

[unkempt blade]

use shorter track segments if I understand what you're asking

they snap where two segments join

[naive dagger]

OHHH

[boreal musk]

you can freely snap signals outside join, the signal will separate that into 2 segments

[naive dagger]

okay I see whats happening... when youre placing a signal inside a curve the signal divides the curve into two seperate segments

and then I have to replace the rail if I wanna place the signal someplace else

[naive dagger]

😄

[clever sandal]

you wanna hear a tip of mine? when driving long distances with a tractor put on spotify "hairy harry" by gorillaz and it will feel majestetic

[unkempt blade]

I'll try that another time, I'm currently watching too much Strange New Worlds

[clever sandal]

you should(n't) watch the amazon war of the worlds

[unkempt blade]

I just assume if it was a book/based on a book before amazon made a show/movie out of it that I should avoid it

they have a worse track record than the cyberwagon

[clever sandal]

well technically invincible was based off a comic and its alr but that movie is the new movie that the internet shits on

it literally had 0% on rotten tomatoes

[clever sandal]

war of the worlds was a book realesed in like 1876 or something might be wrong

[fleet star]

so close to phase 5

just need to wait for these SLOW machines 😮‍💨

[slate python]

What are sloops for

[clever sandal]

somersloop?

[slate python]

Sorry ya

[fleet star]

multiplies output without increasing input

[clever sandal]

uh that was that S looking thing right

yeah

[slate python]

Ok

[hard ivy]

OC and sloops

[fleet star]

they are all maxed out

I think I'll just make more machines

[unkempt blade]

the orson welles radio broadcast for it is pretty cool

[fleet star]

I'm going into phase 5 with almost nothing automated from phase 4 or 3

absolutely despicable amounts of putting things off

"I'll wait until mk6 belts to automate"

also does anyone else just belt everything around? I haven't used trains, drones, or tractors

I didn't even unlock trains in this save file

[boreal musk]

i belt everything that is not further than 1km

further than that? drones and trains

[boreal musk]

sometimes trucks as well

[fleet star]

oh I have cross-map belts

I think that starting the game over multiple times has caused me to become way better at building in general

and efficiency

like my first file took me about 80 hours to get to phase 3, but now I'll be in phase 5 at 73 hours

1.1 helped also because the vertical splitters made blueprinting so much easier

[latent hearth]

are there as many hard drives as alternative recipes (+2 for the MAM stuff with fuel)?

[forest grotto]

why phase 4 so hard 🙁

[vestal flare]

;-;

[deep lagoon]

where should i go to report bugs? i've just been sent to space by a sulphur node

[vestal flare]

huh

[latent hearth]

lol

[hard ivy]

there's like 5 HDDs more than you can use

[vestal flare]

i would like to see this if it was recorded pls

[deep lagoon]

can i post links here?

[latent hearth]

good

[deep lagoon]

https://medal.tv/games/satisfactory/clips/kSRB6cEhIzBHun_jY?invite=cr-MSxZbjcsNjE0MDY2MTQ&v=16

i can but they dont embed

[latent hearth]

pretty sure the right way to report bugs is on the website / forum

so not in here on discord

[deep lagoon]

alright thank you

[fossil ice]

Satisfactory Questions

You can send Questions, Feedback, Suggestions, and Bug Reports
https://questions.satisfactorygame.com
<3 @hard ivy

[hard ivy]

bug reports go there ^

[fleet star]

this is because of the autosaving glitch, which is a known 1.1 bug

if you're in the air when the game is autosaving it gives you extra momentum

[deep lagoon]

so dont report

[fleet star]

no

[deep lagoon]

ah i see

i think ive experienced this with a jetpack a few times but never to that extent

[fleet star]

🤷‍♂️

[willow glen]

it depends on autosave length, so as you build more you get more of a boost during the autosave

[boreal musk]

its not caused by auto save, its the lagspike that caused the massive boost

[willow glen]

sometime deep in phase 5 I’m forced to park when the notification comes up lol, ionized fuel plus 0.25s saves can launch me so high the ground starts dissapearing

[willow glen]

well yeah, it’s the game pausing that causes it, but that really only happens during autosaves in my experience

[lusty epoch]

hey i need help a little with pipes in this game, is it okay to ask here?

[hard ivy]

better ask in #1038092680493801533 with pics of the setup

[limpid cairn]

guys copper alloy ingot or pure aluminium ingot?

[hard ivy]

pure alu 100% for me

[willow glen]

Oh pure aluminum, cut that silica out of the chain

not that copper alloy is bad tho

[hard ivy]

I haven't used either alloy in years lol

[lusty epoch]

ah qwq i dont really wanna make a thread for this silly pipe issue

[hard ivy]

you aren't the first and you won't be the last with a piping issue lol

[limpid cairn]

how much does alu scrap does the pure aluminum ingot need per min?

[willow glen]

I don’t either but I’m a maximizer and water is free, but water isn’t everywhere, so there’s uses

[hard ivy]

60 scrap/min -> 30 ingots/min

[lusty epoch]

its so weird i just dont get it, its a 90 degree turn and now the liquid isnt moving to the left side, but the right side literally is full!

[limpid cairn]

bro thats too much smelters for me

im making 2880 scrap rn btw

[lusty epoch]

let me try to make a thread why not

[hard ivy]

smelters are small and you don't need any silica

it is less baux efficient tho

[willow glen]

No silica means less total production needed, and the smelters are smaller than the silica factory would be I think? They’re also very cheap power wise, being one of the first buildings you can use

and you won’t run out of bauxite lol. I dare ya to try

[limpid cairn]

i need 48 smelter

[hard ivy]

I've ran out of baux in u8

and I probably will in my 1.1 run too. thankfully there's conversion

[limpid cairn]

and im currently using 42 foundries i think?

[willow glen]

Blueprints should make that in no time flat

[limpid cairn]

wait nvm im using 24

[visual cosmos]

Should I make more aluminum casing or sheets

[naive dagger]

youre fucking kidding me

so... even for the most complex intersections where in factorio you'd have to place signals in front of every crossing inside an intersection

I just have to place signals at the entrances and exits?

[green fiber]

Yes.

[naive dagger]

....

[hard ivy]

signals inside intersections are sometimes beneficial, but rarely

[green fiber]

You know the classix factorio T junctiom?

[willow glen]

I wouldn’t challenge anyone if it wasn’t possible!
But yeah if you’re that far post phase 5 and still wanna keep the save, you’re probably not against rebuilding it all anyway

[naive dagger]

yes

[green fiber]

With the like.... 6 chain signals or whatever it was

[naive dagger]

yes

[green fiber]

You only need 3 here

The exits are block signals, the entrances path signals. Done

[willow glen]

yup, no signals in the crossy parts of the intersection. Otherwise pretty similar

[naive dagger]

sigh...

i was about to rage about the changes they made in 1.1 cause the direction selection made everything fucky...

but now it makes so much more sense

[green fiber]

#satisfactory-experimental message

And heres a classic :
#satisfactory-experimental message

[naive dagger]

that is actually crazy.... i was going insane

[topaz shale]

After a few restarts and not playing for several months, I have finally made it to phase 4. Hell yeah

[naive dagger]

cause especially the junction in the first post you send would need like 10 more signals in my head....

im about to cry XD

[hard ivy]

you need to know how the signals work exactly to be able to use them efficiently

[naive dagger]

oh yeah, definitely my mistake, not saying it wasnt

but I come from factorio... so when I looked at junctions and two types of signals I assumed it would pretty much work the same

going by item descriptions and stuff

[topaz shale]

Aluminium here I come

[green fiber]

Yeah but the exact wording on path signs does mention the path checking.

Chaining doesnt get mentioned much

[willow glen]

path signals are smarter in that they reserve paths instead of blocks (like chain signals do in factorio), but the trains compensate by being dumber and not re-pathing around blocked railways

[hard ivy]

• the paths being red by default

really questionable decision imo

[green fiber]

Path Signals are advanced signals that are especially useful for bi-directional Railways and complex intersections. They function similarly to Block Signals, but rather than occupying the entire Block, trains can reserve a specific path through it and will only enter the Block if their path allows them to fully pass through.

[hard ivy]

like why can't they just turn red when a train tries to reserve a path it can't use yet

[willow glen]

ya, needing to automate a train for diagnosis is a pain

[hard ivy]

I'm more talking about the need for space before paths

[green fiber]

Presumably so you don't barrel through at high speed and only after does the signal realize "actually no you may not enter" ?

They do seem to take some time to approve a path

[naive dagger]

are imgur links allowed in here?

[green fiber]

But like you can just chain them to make sure a train goes through fastee

[green fiber]

Supposedly...?
Try it

[naive dagger]

https://imgur.com/a/f9EjPbB

this is what I built for basically every junction in 1.0.... XD

[willow glen]

I usually just leave a bigger block in front of my path signals, and sometimes my trains slow down to 110 before they can reserve but that’s hardly gonna affect my total throughput

[naive dagger]

assuming green dots are path signals

[willow glen]

I’m curious, does that even work? I get errors in the signals when I try to do that lol

[naive dagger]

i somehow got it to work in my 1.0 playthrough

[hard ivy]

the spacing is usually ~200m iirc. but you really need to be careful if the path is at the bottom of slopes - they can straight up deadlock a single train

[willow glen]

deadlock? How so?

[slate python]

What is a deadlock

[willow glen]

Hmm, I feel like mine are closer to 150m (with that potential 110kph slowdown), but yeah about that range

[hard ivy]

if you have a path at the bottom of a slope and a block before it, the train will see the slope and the red path and know that it won't stop in time so it'll wait for green at the top.

except green never comes because the path is red because it'll only turn green after the train passes the block and reserves a path

which it won't, because it's waiting for green at the top of the slope

[green fiber]

Deadlock is when A blocks B and B blocks A and nothing can be resolved without manual intervention

[topaz shale]

I'm actually really excited to make my first aluminium factory.

[slate python]

Same

Not there yet

[green fiber]

Best of luck, dont get tripped up by water tho

[willow glen]

I have plenty of signals at the bottom of 2m slopes and haven’t encountered such an issue, yes my trains often need to brake before the intersection (200kph is just way too fast anyway imo), but they haven’t deadlocked

[hard ivy]

and a path signal, a block signal, and a slope can deadlock a single train, with no other train nearby

isn't it amazing?

[green fiber]

Sounds like a fun new bug

[slate python]

Not that bad #screenshots message

[hard ivy]

it's not new

[green fiber]

It sounds new

Not saying it IS new

[hard ivy]

I've helped people on reddit diagnose it in u8, possibly earlier

[topaz shale]

I already have an idea on how I'm going to set that up. May take the lazy route or use one of the priority methods.

[slate python]

What did yall do for phase 2 to get the items

[hard ivy]

but do those slopes have a block and then a path in quick succession?

[topaz shale]

I handfed the machines and made sure to use the somersloops on them to halve the resources needed.

I don't recommend handfeeding for phase 3, though.

[slate python]

How did you Somersloop the machines if you unlock that in t6

[slate python]

How did you Somersloop the machines if you unlock that in t6

[topaz shale]

Somerslooping machines is a MAM research.

[willow glen]

idk what you mean by quick succession, as I mentioned I have a “double” block before all my path signals (or larger for downslopes), which for me is about 150-300m

[topaz shale]

Can do it anytime as long as you can find the parts for it. I searched the map to get some of the computers and stuff early since they can spawn at crash sites.

[neat hinge]

what is the point of making petroleum coke over just turning it into fuel

[heavy pine]

It's used in several alt recipes.

[topaz shale]

I will say, looking at the recipe chain for aluminum, it isn't so bad. Just the water byproduct that is the issue.

[willow glen]

Initially you don’t have any other choice, tho I usually recommend hand flushing to rush fuel milestone anyway

[neat hinge]

i already have fuel milestone because of drop pods and tickets

[willow glen]

ya, there’s a few different ways to “solve” it, with the most headache inducing being mixing recycled and fresh water (tho it can work if you try really hard)

[neat hinge]

so there isnt a reason to make petroleum coke other than if you wanna do some alternate recipes later on?

[willow glen]

not really

You’ll make a new coke factory later if you wanna use the alts anyway. Skip making it entirely for now

[green fiber]

If you just wanna dump HOR into the sink -coke is your friend

[topaz shale]

Any recommended alt recipes for aluminum before just using the default recipes?

[green fiber]

Do you like silica and quartz

And having to bring it in for aluminum

[topaz shale]

Not if I can help it but will if I have to. Is there an alt that gets rid of the need for it?

[green fiber]

yes

Pure Aluminum Ingot

[wicked nacelle]

pure aluminum along with base recipes are great. and even without pure you can just dump excess scrap to sink with default and get some aluminum until you get pure aluminum

[topaz shale]

I was already planning on having the silica that is made and shove that back into itself instead of having to sink it.

[wicked nacelle]

instant scrap is nice because wastewater exactly matches acid water requirements

[wicked nacelle]

yeah sinking it would be pretty silly

[naive dagger]

one more question tho... now I simplified my junction... but every single exit block signal says it supposedly loops into each ithor

[topaz shale]

I can also look for sloppy alumina.

[green fiber]

check the colors on the rails.
ive heard that signals sometimes just to stupid shit in 1.1

[wicked nacelle]

if the rail color doesn't change on either side of the signal, that's a bug. Just move the signal a bit aways from a merge/split

[topaz shale]

Satisfactory modeler does not like having the water be placed back into a previous machine when using the sloppy alumina recipe.

[onyx siren]

I am gonna set up a stitched plate factory, the ratios are horrible so should I just sink the left over wire or should I let the production backup and not use all of the iron/copper node? I would like to optimize but that just doesn't seem feasible

[topaz shale]

Though using just the base recipes, I do get a little more of aluminum and alclad in exchange of having to use silica.

[wicked nacelle]

if you care about that kind of thing just underclock/overclock some number of producers to get the match

[willow glen]

underclock/overclock is your friend, there are more nodes out there for future things, or you can split off the remaining production for a future thing.

signs help with labeling leftovers (tho I always forget about them)

[wicked nacelle]

sloppy gives about 8% more aluminum per bauxite than base (including the produced silica in base)

[naive dagger]

so, if I supposedly made a train station where the merge is directly in front of the actual train station building i am fucked if it always bugs out cause I cant move the signal further back?

[onyx siren]

I have been wanting to do that, I actually started placing markers for where stuff is produced

[wicked nacelle]

You can also rebuild the track until it magically starts working. There's just no rhyme/reason how/why that works sometimes and doesn't sometimes

[willow glen]

Rebuild the tracks, rebuild the signal. Potentially multiple times. Try different build orders. It’s a snapping issue that’s invisible so it’s just kinda guesswork. Good luck.

[naive dagger]

did that like 5 times already...

[wicked nacelle]

try 5 more

[willow glen]

try rebuilding the lead in segments in different lengths too, just to make sure it’s all being changed up. I wish I knew the concrete solution, it’s so frustrating.

[wicked nacelle]

the signal at the end of the station should be sufficient and it always works

if your junction is so close then you shouldn't need another signal

[hard ivy]

Fun, isn't it?
https://imgur.com/a/yyBKx13
I'm pretty sure that's been a thing ever since path signals were introduced. unless their behaviour changed before I found out about this

[modest nest]

Trains seem confusing but my brain is figuring it out slowly, probably will figure it out faster once I can actually build them and am not on tier 3

[naive dagger]

thats putting it lighty... went into the whole thing hyped for trains and now Im honestly thinking about just chaining belts through the entire world...

[wicked nacelle]

trains work fine when you work around the minor bugs. there aren't any that have any significant impact on their use. It's only a slight annoyance on the process of building them

[green fiber]

im guessing this is because the block would both be too short for the train to brake in time and because it would definitely have a lot of speed going in

[naive dagger]

well, out of the like... 20 signals im trying to place only half work