satisfactory

[earnest ingot]

i am

so unbearably close to getting the golden nut statue

i literally need 8 more tickets

[steady glade]

mistakes were made, gender assumed

sorry for my comments

[earnest ingot]

i didnt see them

what were they

[steady glade]

thank the lord

[earnest ingot]

were they funny?

[steady glade]

straight filth

[earnest ingot]

lmaoooo

[steady glade]

do you mind if i dm you those dirty jokes?

dont really wanna leave them here

[earnest ingot]

its fine

and preferably no

[lofty oyster]

gahhhhh 🙁 I think my generator farm doesnt like me

[exotic pilot]

Bc it likes me

[lofty oyster]

its super weird thers 4 very specific generators for some odd reason arent getting enough fuel and I dont know why 🙁

[dense violet]

bad piping or bad math

[exotic pilot]

They don’t feel like it leave them alone

[lofty oyster]

should be good piping and good math I have a 600 pipe feeding 30 generators

I'm missing something and whats annoying is its probably something stupidly simple

[dense violet]

it could easily be bad piping. Fluids are bidirectional. you could post some overhead images of how you've hooked up your gens in #math-and-meta

[earnest ingot]

CHAT

[exotic pilot]

LESS GOO CHAT

[earnest ingot]

i have done it, i have gotten every single achievment

[exotic pilot]

W’s in the chat

[exotic pilot]

What’s bidirectional

[earnest ingot]

i posted a screenshot as proof

[green fiber]

can go both ways through pipe

Fluid can go either direction

[exotic pilot]

Ok

[earnest ingot]

i mihgt make the screenshot my banner

what do you guys think?

[exotic pilot]

Yes

[earnest ingot]

(also do you think the powe slugs are funny)

[exotic pilot]

How get them there

Also what was your last achievement

[lofty oyster]

I posted some pics into math and meta

[earnest ingot]

golden nut

i went for it last

[earnest ingot]

i placed them on the ground

like just dropped them out of inv

[exotic pilot]

Ohh

[earnest ingot]

I cannot wait to start a new save

(I already have)

I love satisfactory

Peak game, wish it won GOTY

[burnt ferry]

#screenshots message i need to try something

[raven tusk]

Question: How do Path Signals detemine what counts as "intersecting"? It seems like this behavior is breaking when parts of the intersection are sloped rather than the whole intersection being flat, which is causing train collisions

[burnt ferry]

#screenshots message why he alive though?

#screenshots message for science

[true mulch]

Correct, it's broken on slopes

[raven tusk]

Is it a bug? Or is that just an aspect that has to be dealt with

[burnt ferry]

everything glitches into each other in this game.. how do you want to determine it?

[true mulch]

It's probably meant to take a volume around the track but the volume is either too short or not considered at all and it just uses an area

[raven tusk]

gotcha

[true mulch]

Engines typically have support for detecting overlapping physics objects, or they may be using a custom implementation that's faster

[burnt ferry]

but wed need support poles or ceiling mounts for rails, to build them properly in floors/layers

[raven tusk]

#screenshots message
This is the intersection, it's mostly level but not fully. So I'd bet it's just a 2D flat plane

[true mulch]

Building tracks is already heavily dependent on support structures from foundations

[burnt ferry]

but they collide only with other trains.. if you build the track to close to a walll, the train just glitches through it

[true mulch]

I assume the hitbox is really just as tall as the physics hitbox of the track

And even the player walks through it lol

[burnt ferry]

yep.. i meant those that exist for pipes/belts.. like which support extension to different heights, or mount to ceilings/are stackable.. etc

[true mulch]

Yeah they only collide with vehicles and creatures

@raven tusk really the only workaround is to build on foundations and built it completely flat

[raven tusk]

Thank you for the info!

[burnt ferry]

you could still make sure that they go above or underneath each other without colliding, no?

also with platforms of course

[true mulch]

Yes that's also an option

Although imo hardly necessary given the typical traffic volumes in this game

Most often X junctions are the simplest and best solution

[burnt ferry]

i mean.. having all tracks on the same level, (at least looking at it locally) makes sense... the slope makes 'track to sharp' or 'too long' problems not better

[raven tusk]

Yeah you could, I didn't build this intersection it's on my brother's world. Was just trying to figure out if it was in issue of it not being flat or something else like signaling errors.

[burnt ferry]

all my initial stations are lower than my actual 'proper' network and im trying to connect them to that bigger network but for some its a real pita.. and the junction/switches/signal hells those create 🤯

i made myself a blueprint for new stations now, which includes the 180 turnaround after the station, some frames and nothing else, so i can attach it to my existing tracks

[burnt ferry]

its an intersection, right, so the crossing tracks are not connected with each other, right?

[raven tusk]

correct

[dawn hearth]

Anyone knows what software/app did this Youtuber use to make that sheet?
https://youtu.be/i_CA6bNo7_Q?si=rw-m_FgOL2-VJIo7&t=517

[burnt ferry]

i'm thinking, maybe you can force the game to consider it as one block by connecting them with switches

and therefore make the trains wait before entering the block

it definitely works with my sloped early game stations i mentioned before

[raven tusk]

yeah using only block signals (which is the fix that was implemented in the photo i linked) fixes it. it was only an issue with the path signals' path reservation

[burnt ferry]

but on an intersection you want path signals actually 😂 and im fact my stations all have path signals (not the stations itself of course)

[raven tusk]

Miro!

[burnt ferry]

i mean... just keep it in mind.. and roast your brother

[dawn hearth]

@raven tuskAllright, thanks.

[raven tusk]

lmao neither of us knew, it's all good, you live and you learn 😎

[burnt ferry]

of course.. you just sounded lke you dont really care because its your brothers game.. .if youre actually curious i would try to connect the intersecting parts, as if it was possible to go left or right.. it could fix it while using path signals

[raven tusk]

? i do care, not rlly sure what you mean though

[burnt ferry]

you said this is correct @raven tusk

anyway just use block signals.. i certainly dont care enough to wait 😂 ...

[raven tusk]

@burnt ferry i sent the photo here in case you didn't see it

[fiery pewter]

Would it be possible to have a 4 way intersection with more than 2 tracks? So for an example, 4 tracks in each of the 4 directions, hooked up in such a way that they are connected to the right tracks? Because if I recall correctly, there is actually a limit on how many connections 1 piece of track can have

[reef basin]

you can't really have more than one track in each direction, given that trains always take the shortest path

so they will all go on the shorter track

[peak wasp]

you know how you have 9 hotbars, how do you bind them to something?

1-4 onl;y on the first hotbar

[stone python]

you hover over what you want to bind and press 1-x (cant remember how many there are in the row)

[raven tusk]

10 hotbars and 10 slots per hotbar

[stone python]

so 1-0 then

[peak wasp]

yeah but 2-9 hotbars are not numbered

also is my power ok in #screenshots (will delete) I think this is maximum consumption for the current set up. Will get a new power site and expand

[slow kindle]

What's the best way to go between floors? Not elevator but like if I place a foundation 10feet in the sky what's the best way to get there?

[fiery pewter]

Ladder, hypertube, stairs, slopes
-# and the elevator

[slow kindle]

!wikisearch Ladder

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=Ladder

[slow kindle]

Thank you

[fiery pewter]

Anytime

[cursive crane]

Im apalled noone mentioned jumppads

Can adjust their angle, and even use the jelly thing to stop movement/avoid fall damage entirely

[peak wasp]

if my truck falls in the water, can itr be driven out? ;/

[green fiber]

Dismantle

You cant drive it personally anymore

[silk ocean]

Please please can you add monitor selection in the Video

Please xD

Some love for us multi-monitor peeps

[dense violet]

change which number your monitor in windows settings

[silk ocean]

No no no xD

1 is the primary

Just want the game to run on 4

It's very simple, almost every game I play you can select which logical monitor to run it on

Satisfactory? Have to do this window-mode, drag, fullscreen dance, and it has the resolution wrong in settings even if the res is correct

Devs please add this feature xD

It's Unreal 5, I play many Unreal games, please add this simple feature xD

[slender quest]

Upvote this on suggestion/feedback website (or create new entry if it doesn't exist)

[silk ocean]

Monitor selection is like the most basic of options ever

Shouldn't need upvoting, it should Exist

[green fiber]

Well it doesn't so go upvote please

[cursive crane]

You have 4 monitors and havent discovered using windows+shift+arrow key yet?

[silk ocean]

No that does not work under nvidia, I am not some Intel peasant

[cursive crane]

Wdym

[silk ocean]

It does not work under these drivers

[cursive crane]

Doesnt work under nvidia

Its a w i n d o w s hotkey

[green fiber]

wdym doesnt work under nvidia, of course it does

I HAVE an Nvidia

[jaunty jewel]

what are we arguing about today

[green fiber]

It doesnt matter what graphics card you have

[silk ocean]

I'm not doing it, the game is running on 1 in 1440, the number 4 is 3440x1440 or near enough, I am not doing Win+Shift+Arrow

[cursive crane]

Smdh

Windows shift arrows

Alt enter, alt enter to go back to fullscreen and fill out the window

Literally 10x the speed of going into any settings

[silk ocean]

The simple solution is to window-mode the game, drag it to the ultrawide, maximize, change it back to Fullscreen-Window mode

[cursive crane]

I give up on you

Gamers these days need everything in ui

[silk ocean]

I'll gladly accept command-line options

I don't need a UI

[cursive crane]

But you wont press 5 buttons

[silk ocean]

I just tried it, it doesn't work

[cursive crane]

What doesnt work

[silk ocean]

Win+Shift+Arrow Key

[cursive crane]

Doesnt move it?

[silk ocean]

No of course not

[green fiber]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Launch_arguments

[silk ocean]

That's Intel or something, does not work and under no circumstances would I want it to work

Do you see a screen option there?

No

[green fiber]

Its probably not and instead because its fullscreen.
I think that command only works for windowed

That arrow key thing.
What you can force via launch arguments is resolution

[silk ocean]

It's not Fullscreen, it's Borderless Window

It's running on 4 in Borderless mode

You've clearly never had a multi-screen rig

[green fiber]

Oh well looks like theres nothing that can be done for you then

[silk ocean]

Well there is

The window, drag, maximize, set to borderless technique

[green fiber]

Well thats what you already did isnt it.

[silk ocean]

Every time I load the game

Because there is no monitor selection in Video Settings

Going full circle now xD

[green fiber]

yes and to complete it, go to the QA site

Setting doesnt exist, so upvote the comment there so the devs take a look at it

[silk ocean]

That achieves the square root of FA xD

I will have my little pathetic rage

...and I will accept my demise into failure xD

[peak wasp]

what do you guys make with impure/pure mines?

[cursive crane]

Mergers into my pure mines

Not sure what you are asking here lol

[round vault]

how do i get rid of the boulders around the map

[green fiber]

💥

[round vault]

how do i 💥

[green fiber]

find yellow rocks

[round vault]

alr thx

[green fiber]

Perfectly unbalanced - for maximum fun

[round vault]

is the sulfur just around the map

[green fiber]

Yes

[round vault]

alr

whats up with the mustard gas in the air

[green fiber]

It stinks

[round vault]

aight

[silk ocean]

On a scale of 1 to 5, how fucking pissed off am I at no Monitor Selection. This is Unreal 5 xD

[round vault]

is everything you see on the map explorable
like the absolute giant mountain in the distance in the starter world

with half circular things or sumth

[boreal musk]

as long as its not outside kill zone, yes

iirc theres around 2km worth of vertical space

before reaching the world bound

[silk ocean]

It's not the starter world xD

[boreal musk]

that location was very powerful, iirc its 2 pure quartz and some coal nodes too

[round vault]

alr thx

[ivory condor]

Once upon a time ue5 was made, this made people angry and is considered a bad move

[boreal musk]

im currently saving the resources in dd until i need all the iron there for large motor factory

[round vault]

lost like legimately everything i had after falling off

[ivory condor]

What do you mean, signs in this game are the five horse men of the performance apocalypse

More like I can't afford those 5090 rigs

sesh modern gaming is getting expensive, maybe ill just go play some old games

but right, modern games suck anyways, im going to play some of my older games, thats a good idea

[boreal musk]

more like, modern games has lazy devs with lazy optimization

3060ti is still a monster if game devs bother to optimize it

5090 doesnt matter when you still got 30fps in cyberpunk with dlss

[fluid sapphire]

cant copy-paste freight platform settings, ugh

[ivory condor]

hmm isnt css still on vacation?

I thought they were on vacation until the end of August or something like that

Hmmm idk it shows lym is online, maybe its only in spirit?

[fluid sapphire]

i have to manually set like 150 freight platforms to unload bruh

[ivory condor]

Everyone wants to play 4k full path tracing, all of this all just costs to much still

Sure 4k full path tracing sounds interesting, but i definitely can't get a gpu that can handle that

And crash the game because we keep hitting the uboject limits

[fluid sapphire]

not me about to build 260 refineries

[ivory condor]

Thankfully they decreased loading times, some of my saves took 30+ mins to load

are you a member of the absolute cult by any chance?

what about myrkul, thats a interesting cult to be a member of to

I don't see the johnny cult around much anymore

[astral knoll]

Nobody here is the person I argued with, but I had to admit somewhere that I was wrong.

I did the math and ran the numbers, load balancing IS better than manifolds. No idea why I thought otherwise. (Still won't do it majority of the time due to more work)

[fluid sapphire]

what, better how lmfao

[astral knoll]

From a raw output standpoint

[ivory condor]

Right its over

[fluid sapphire]

you literally get the same output tho

[ivory condor]

[astral knoll]

Incorrect but I thought the same thing, once it ramps it has the same output, but the load balancer will always have made more items total by the time that it's at full power

[jaunty jewel]

why is that relevant?

unless you need it instantly that doesnt matter in the slightest

[astral knoll]

Correct

[fluid sapphire]

literally you will spend more time building the balancers than you would waiting for the manifold to fill

[astral knoll]

Also correct

[fluid sapphire]

that means you actually get less output tho

[boreal musk]

load balancer and manifold are literally the same thing, the only difference is manifold saturate longer than load balancing

thats it

theres no difference in input/output

[astral knoll]

Wasn't disputing that, I whole heartedly agree

[fluid sapphire]

like ya'll just standing next to your manifold and be like welp cant do anything else right now, have to wait for this to fill, oh well

[cursive crane]

Its satisfactory, whats the rush? Build something and move on to build something else

[cedar portal]

While my mannifold fills I'm building the next factory so it's all full by the time I'm done

[astral knoll]

Gotta watch them to make sure they don't act up

[stark lily]

why is nitrogen gas not unloading from my train station

[cursive crane]

If you dont have a storage blueprint for 4 industrial storages you attach to anything vital with an overflow splitter, are you really planning?

[fluid sapphire]

just give everything a once-over before turning on?

[stark lily]

well if it all wants to unload
then why is it not

..... i should probably go to sleep

i put in on the wrong port

already did

its working just fine now

[stark lily]

^

unnecessary step for my project

[peak wasp]

it was bad driving, couldn't save it 🙁

[silk ocean]

Trains.. the problem to your world xD

Get a better PC xD

[flat zinc]

are there enough hard drives for you to collect every alternate in one save?

[silk ocean]

Yes? xD

[flat zinc]

awesome

ahh

[silk ocean]

All I am seeing is problems, go fix them xD

[flat zinc]

?

what are you talking about

i want every alt

even if i wont use it

lol

[silk ocean]

In the end xD

There is no end

[flat zinc]

the grind never stops

[silk ocean]

1390 hours tells me, there is no end xD

[blazing gulch]

@wispy condor how much power does the factory take?

[wispy condor]

beetween 7 TW and 9.4 Tw

[fast lotus]

wanted to shout out the actually insane optimization that this game has. For like 2 months I was running this goddamn game through my integrated graphics becayse my fucking output was connected to the motherboard 🤦. I was getting like 50-60 FPS on just my damn CPU and just though oh maybe the new update made the optimizations worse or whatever. Only a few days ago I realized the fucking idiot was me all along. It's crazy I didnt really notice very heavy changes at all. It was all on max quality, and sure there were tons of micro stutters and all but it was SO PLAYABLE. man its been a very long while since I have seen an Unreal Engine 5 game optimized so well

[astral knoll]

Anyone know a way to make a doggo cage that I can bait them in but they can't get out without dismantling something?

Unfortunate :/

I get how to trap them, I just was wondering if there was a way to trick their pathfinding. Similar example would be how some mobs in minecraft can pathfind over a block one way but not back.

If not that's fine, was just curious if someone knew a way or not

[silk rose]

get nukes

from doggo

[heavy pine]

I put a doggo in a cage but he's not there anymore. Interactive map web site says he's there, but nowhere to be found. I wonder if he fell through the world or something.

[daring reef]

its finally done

2.5 super computers per minute

i think it would be worth it to sombersloop it untill i get atleast 500 of them or somethign

[silk rose]

hes under foundation

Yrouel helped me when i had same issue

[naive scroll]

so i want to ask what do you guys think about factorio vs satisfactory?

did anyone try both - what do you think

[daring reef]

#screenshots message
why is this the most organized thing i have

[silk rose]

id play factorio if i liked its visual style

[daring reef]

factorio is a bit different

nodes are not unlimited btu the map is

[silk rose]

i mean im not on 4k monitor to stare on these 8x8 pixel textures

[daring reef]

enemies are constantly attacking u and its a worry

[heavy pine]

They're similar enough that your skills from one game can carry over to the other, but different enough that you'll have some learning to do.

[daring reef]

spoiled by 4k graphics

[naive scroll]

i see, ok, so for the visual this one is much better

[daring reef]

whats next he says undertale art style sucks as its 8 bit

[daring reef]

some enjoy factorio art more its personal opinion but id say try both games

[silk rose]

different realistic style i like, if you prefer kinda pixel art, go for it

[naive scroll]

ah but in gameplay they are more or less the same right

[silk rose]

factorio offers more

[white dawn]

Eh, IMO Satisfactory and Factorio share very little in common apart from the general "automate things" goals

[silk rose]

but in 2d 💀

[white dawn]

They're very different games

[reef basin]

they are vastly different games

[white dawn]

And attempting to apply lessons learned in one game to the other is often a recipe for frustration

[reef basin]

map technically isn't either

[daring reef]

its too big to explore

[silk rose]

isnt it infinite

[reef basin]

well depends on your settings 🙂

[daring reef]

satisfactory has a huge map but u can fully explore it

[reef basin]

no

[flat zinc]

does anyone know why my rifle refuses to use homing ammo?

[daring reef]

nothing is infinite

[flat zinc]

no its handmade

[daring reef]

every number is closer to 0 than infinite

[daring reef]

he is talking abt factorio

[flat zinc]

ohh

mb

[silk rose]

i mean if it is procedurally generated then they can male it infinite enough for human beings

how to spell that

[daring reef]

Technecially not infinite still but its too much for 1 planet to explore

[silk rose]

then its infinite

i prefer to not be that nerd that appears every time infinity mentioned

[heavy pine]

Effectively inifinite; you'll run out of computer processing ability before you run out of planet.

[silk rose]

good

[daring reef]

#screenshots message

i died for that photo

[reef basin]

max map size is 2m x 2m (m being million, not meters)

[silk rose]

ah integer limit i guess its slighly more than 2m

[reef basin]

so if you have 500k rails at spawn and build straight to one direction, you'd reach map edge

[reef basin]

no it's exactly 2m

[daring reef]

id like people to start guessing what that factory produces

[reef basin]

it's not integer limit

[heavy pine]

That's when you use photo mode and detach the camera, take it as high as you want while your pioneer sips coffee on the ground.

[silk rose]

i mean int limit

[daring reef]

ill give u 3 guesses

[reef basin]

I know what you mean and it's not that

it's literally 2 million exactly

[daring reef]

each guess ill add a hint

[silk rose]

they could see that 2m and something int limit and make it 2m anyway

[reef basin]

or it has nothing to do with int limit at all

[silk rose]

oh god its 2 billion

for signed

[daring reef]

2^31-1

[heavy pine]

Checking the Factorio wiki, it confirms the map size is 2 million x 2 million tiles.

[silk rose]

for unsigned

yes 31

[pallid tide]

Is 7.5GW worth 10 sloops

[silk rose]

no

yk deppends on tier

great on tier 4

[daring reef]

yeah

unless u dont need the power

[heavy pine]

Depends on how much power you have to spare, really.

[reef basin]

imo never

[pallid tide]

To clarify, it is for making 7.5GW more power

[silk rose]

7.5 gw is like basic oil setup

[reef basin]

sloop the item production, you can get power easily by other means

[naive scroll]

i decided to play both at same time

[pallid tide]

Makes sense. Just wasted a bunch of time building stuff yesterday bc I thought an oil extractor wasn't overclocked yet and turns out it was. 😔

[heavy pine]

I've been using the heavy residue -> diluted packaged fuel chain to effectively double the amount of fuel I can get from an oil well.

Takes some extra steps before you get blenders.

[silk rose]

2 monitors required

[naive scroll]

yup

[silk rose]

i cant cuz my second monitor is portrait orientated

[naive scroll]

ooh

[heavy pine]

One time I tried to play Civ 3, 4, and 5 simultaneously.

[naive scroll]

yeah i think playing both is going to be fun

[pallid tide]

I was gonna do that but this is an older playthrough I'm picking up, and I already had fuel - > turbo fuel going so I was trying to optimize it

[silk rose]

i can hook my phone as monitor tho

[silk rose]

one guy played 4 minecraft instances with shared controls at the same time

[naive scroll]

hah

i'm not into minecraft at all but i can understand

[silk rose]

he could beat dragon on each somehow

[naive scroll]

i once played a match of dota 2 ranked while doing an instance in WoW as a healer

[daring reef]

my 2nd monitor is so old it is 1600x900 and only uses vga and the vga wire i have is broken and im sure the vga to hdmi adapter is broken too so it is capped the monitor at 1024x768

and it looks horrible but it is working

[silk rose]

DP -> HDMI -> USB3 -> USBC for phone im not kidding it worked for me

[shadow isle]

how do yall deal with ores that are deep underground?
like quartz in desert

do you just, not bother or do spaghetti

[silk rose]

what do you mean deal

[daring reef]

miner overclocked to 250% use mk5 belts and just use conveyor lifts

simple enough

[silk rose]

that quartz could go even without lifts

[shadow isle]

im pre phase 2 completion lol

[shadow isle]

deal as in manage

[daring reef]

u dont have lifts

[shadow isle]

i have mk3

[daring reef]

and i unlocked over and underclocking as soon as i could

[daring reef]

then use that

[silk rose]

quartz production on phase two would fit in that cave

[daring reef]

i try to have my miner close to my conveyor speed

but sometimes i cant cause 780 items/minute is just alot

[shadow isle]

do you send the lifts through the ground? like out of bounds?
or take the long path through the cave

[vale grotto]

Trains!!!

[silk rose]

#off-topic-media message thats how it goes

[silk rose]

yes that cave has two entrances so train would look very cool

[heavy pine]

That desk is far too clean, clearly a sign of a deranged mind. 😛

[vale grotto]

I can confirm, I ran a 2-track railway all the way through

[silk rose]

theres sisters desk on right that youd not want to see

[silk rose]

geniuses think similar

[shy mulch]

I'm going to use that quartz in the north west cave soon, it's on my to-do list. Think it's viable to run a double rail-line (2 foundations wide) through that cave, with a station near the nodes? Worth the bother or just do it outside and spaghetti some belts out to it?

[vale grotto]

Absolutely viable, I did it in my world!!

[shy mulch]

Nice to know. Was it a hassle or plenty space? I haven't actually ran through the cave to look recently, been ages since I was down that way

[silk rose]

definetely enough for one train

im not sure about two lines

[shadow isle]

i just came back to my game after going afk for a moment.. and i just see an Alpha spitter shooting at me but everything is missing just barely

[boreal musk]

the west entrance is large enough for 2 lines

the north entrance is too small, the east is enough for single line

[lone adder]

I've been having issues finding the hard drive for the crystal computer alternate recipe

[vale grotto]

It was a tiny bit tricky at one or two points, but entirely doable to fit two lines

[lone adder]

i thought it would be fun to switch things around a bit and focus around that recipe instead but I collected and rerolled about 20 hard drives to no avail

am i stupid

[lone adder]

i could show you what that cave looks like for me :3

[reef basin]

did you maybe already unlocked it before?
do you have the requirements for it?

[vale grotto]

Tip: leave hard drives in your library, if you're hunting for a specific recipe
Each drive you leave in the library removes 2 recipes from the pool of recipes the new drive can roll

[lone adder]

yeah that's also what confuses me

ive used almost no alternate recipes for the sole reason that I am looking for that one so hard

[vale grotto]

Damn, can I see a sc of your library then? That's kind of impressive lol

I was really excited when my library finally got a scroll bar lmao

[boreal musk]

have you unlock computer and crystal oscillator?

dont be like me, scanned 30 hard drives to get hsc alt, just to realize i havent unlock it in MAM

[vale grotto]

That's really really impressive xD

[lone adder]

yeah and ive already automated 10 crystal oscillators pm early game in order to get this fun recipe

[vale grotto]

That's gotta be just terrible terrible luck then lol

[lone adder]

now im way later and im at the point where i wana automate supercomputers but since computers arent automated (kinda) it sucks

i have a computer system but it would suck for me to use the base recipe

[lone adder]

i really wonder what the odds are

i even waited to collect a bunch of hard drives before advancing just so that the recipe pool wouldnt enlargen

I feel so incredibly unlucky

[heavy pine]

I did a run last year with seeking out all the hard drives and such, now I just turn on the advanced options and enable all recipes.

[lone adder]

doesnt that disable achievements? or at least show that cheats were turned on for this save?

i feel like i deserve my alternate recipe

[boreal musk]

AGS do disable achievement

[shy mulch]

oooo yes please

[empty hatch]

First time playing thru and I've just been ignoring alternate recipes...am I screwing myself by just sticking with base recipes?

[white dawn]

No, though the alt recipes are there to give you a lot more options while building

Like if you want a factory that does X and ordinarily requires Caterium, but there's no Caterium nearby, but you've got an alt recipe which lets you use Copper instead, etc

Some folks find alts a little overwhelming on their first playthrough; it's not uncommon for new players to mostly just stick with the vanilla ones

[boreal musk]

its perfectly fine to play your first save with only base recipe

[white dawn]

In a few cases there are alts which are mostly there to simplify some production chains, or decrease resource usage, so those tend to be pretty popular ones. But you can definitely do without. :)

[lone adder]

Not at all, though as a new player, it is worth keeping alternate recipes in the library and not to claim them if you aren't sure which to pick. They could eventually help you in the future in the event that you are browsing through the list and find something that might sound fun for you to ''solve''.

[shy mulch]

I'm at the point of just making arbitrary silly challenges for myself. Think I could complete phase 5 while never automating any power at all, fully on biomass only?

[boreal musk]

i start using alt recipe at 3rd save

[white dawn]

Alternatively, especially as a new player, I don't recommend just keeping unredeemed recipes in your library. You're never gonna get used to the alts and find out which ones you prefer if they're just sitting there unredeemed. I'd recommend just flipping a coin, redeeming one, and moving on rather than keeping them in the library

Keeping recipes in the library is, IMO, only adviseable when you're specifically looking for one recipe and want to reduce the random pool

[boreal musk]

and theres enough hard drives to get all the recipe and MAM and still have 5 leftover, youre not missing anything

[shy mulch]

For a first time player, yes absolutely. It's not the "best" way to play, whatever that means, but it does avoid an added complication that most people don't utilise anyway

[white dawn]

I'd personally rather just have the alts available at my fingertips while building, rather than locked away in a library in the MAM that I'm rarely gonna look at

[lone adder]

actually true

[spring pendant]

Hi boys, sorry i know this question might be asked a lot. If i am at tier 5, can i still find lower tier recipes?

i just learned about recipes and i think i might cant unlock lower tier ones now

[shy mulch]

yes you can

[spring pendant]

nice. danke 🙂

[shy mulch]

bitte 🙂

[white dawn]

Well, actually an opinion, at least. :D

[boreal musk]

you can, but you will have harder time since the pool is larger with more recipe

[spring pendant]

but the pods respawn right? or is there a fixed amount of them?

[boreal musk]

theres enough hard drives in the map for all alt recipes

[white dawn]

They do not respawn, and there's a fixed amount. But as soranei mentions, there's more on the map than you need. (You can even buy drives from the AWESOME shop eventually, if you don't feel like exploring)

[boreal musk]

i gathered all the hard drives in the whole map, finished mam and unlock all alt recipes

and i still have 5 leftovers

[shy mulch]

I think there's something like 6 left over?

Oh is it 5, couldn't remember

[spring pendant]

thank you boys

[boreal musk]

so yeah, no need to worry about it

youre not missing anything

[shy mulch]

I am missing something

My gran, she died in January

🙁

[placid stirrup]

She's in your heart forever, her legacy lives on. Very sorry for your loss ❤️

[atomic notch]

Womp womp

[spare furnace]

huge shoutout to the devs for removing the clanking noise the coffee cup made when you drank it... my brain would always picture it smacking against my teeth and it made me shrivel up and cringe...

[zinc berry]

it's still a thing, I get it occasionally.

[spare furnace]

ive yet to hear it but i aint complaining

[zinc berry]

It's random chance now

[spare furnace]

ah yes, the pioneer is one smart mf can build massive factories with a snap of her hands but god forbid she need to drink some coffee

[empty hatch]

I heard that the other day and thought I did something bad, especially since it was from me accidentally clicking

[heavy pine]

I'm forever clicking the elevator buttons instead of pressing E to activate them. Swing the xeno-basher once before selecting your floor.

[acoustic heart]

Bro, time crystals take so much coal... Is there a better alt recipe?

[shy mulch]

I'm using turbodiamonds for most of mine

[reef basin]

that depends what do you mean by "better"

I assume in your case you mean "needs less coal", in which case it can be any of the oil-based diamond recipes that need 0 coal

[heavy pine]

Not for the time crystals, but there are alts for the diamonds.

[acoustic heart]

Yeah, just saving resources. Do they take up alot of oil though? I

[reef basin]

well "saving resources" depends on which resource you value how much. So if I were you, I'd open some planner (e.g. SFTools), look at the different recipe combinations and pick the one that you personally like the most

you can also just check all the alts e.g. here https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/codex/items/diamonds

[spare furnace]

do i place pumps at the bottom or top of an incline?

[reef basin]

you place pumps in places where you need to get more headlift

[spare furnace]

im still struggling to wrap my head around what that means

[hard ivy]

You put pumps every 20m or less starting at the bottom (every 50 if mk2 pumps)

[shy mulch]

liquid goes up a maximum height from the last "pump", that's 10m up from a machine exit, or 20m up from a mk1 pump

[cedar portal]

Why won't my train stations empty their platforms at the same rate? I always end up with one platform empty and the other full. They are both going into a merger, it should take from them at the same rate.,

[hard ivy]

Are you delivering at the same rate?

[spare furnace]

ok

[spare furnace]

ok

[reef basin]

headlift is "how high can the liquid go without needing another pump"

most machines give a few meters of headlift, so if you have e.g. an extractor, it can push liquids a few meters, but then you need a pump.

Pump itself gives 20/50 meters of headlift (based on mk of the pump), but it doesn't "add" headlift, so if you put two pumps next to each other, you'll still have just headlift from one pump

[cedar portal]

YEs, the train is set to "wait for full load" so both cars are full when arriving.

[spare furnace]

ok

[shy mulch]

I've got into the habit of spamming conveyor throughput monitors on everything, really helps with debugging stuff like that

[acoustic heart]

Is there a recipe that makes aluminum less of hassle? lol

[hard ivy]

Have you tried to correct the imbalance manually? Because with these settings, it won't correct itself

[reef basin]

kinda same answer as above - "hassle" can mean anything, so look at the recipes and try different combinations to see which one you like the most

[acoustic heart]

Roger roger. I just dont like the water lol

[shy mulch]

it is one of the more complex ones, but it's really manageable once you get your head around it
my advice for this is make a very small alu plant, literally single machines, make minimal output, just to get a feel for how it all works including managing water feedback, once you're happy with it, just do the same but times a million

[cedar portal]

They sadly are not accurate enough to diagnose problems like this. It's only a slow imbalance so noise of the belt monitor readouts overwhelms a tiny difference.

[shy mulch]

press E 🙂

[cedar portal]

Yes, several times I make them both even and every time I come back half an hour later and one has 1000 less than the other

[cedar portal]

That's not any more help, just shows me a spiky graph

[hard ivy]

Oh, I know what's going on lol.
Full wagon doesn't mean 32 stacks of items. It means all 32 slots are full. Which is fulfilled with any number of items in the 32nd slot.

If one wagon consistently had 32 full stacks, and the other 31 stacks and like 1-5 loose items in the last one, then you've got an imbalance

That's why you need a proper balancer on both sides, and start them from an equal state

[hexed perch]

Do we have any further news on the console release

[cedar portal]

@hard ivy @shy mulch Oh! I just figured it out!
#screenshots message
It's the belt length! The platform on the right has a shorter belt, so when the flow starts again, it outputs a bunch before items on the other side get there. So every load cycle it gets to output a split second more than the other. Huh. So I'd have to make the bet's EXACTLY the same length or they will always imbalance, eventually.

[shy mulch]

oh my, what a hassle :x

[acoustic heart]

Sloppy aluminum and pure aluminum goes hard

[reef basin]

eh, I'd add quartz to get more yield

[shy mulch]

don't leave it out in the sun then, and it'll stay fresh

[cedar portal]

I guess I could tell my trains NOT to wait for a full unload, then they will be topping them off each run. But it seems like that would not be as fast as doing full loads every trip. Hmm... often human intution is very wrong when it comes to this sort of thing though.

[pastel lodge]

is there a mod that lets me change or remove ore output cap since i dont rlly like the current outputs

[hard ivy]

I've had platforms with uneven belt lengths working perfectly for 100s of hours. So I'm inclined to think that's not the issue

[reef basin]

it's called clocking and it's in base game

[shy mulch]

alternative is just keep adding more trains until the problem doesn't matter any more

[cedar portal]

I can watch it happen though, and you can see that the belt numbers are not the same for that merger and they SHOULD be.

[spice ermine]

Does anyone have a "Balancer Library" that I could look at?

[pastel lodge]

i c, ty

[hard ivy]

Do you not have buffers on your platforms?

Because like I said, I have uneven belt lengths on my platforms, and they do create an imbalance of a few dozen items, but it does not grow (or shrink) with time

[cedar portal]

I have buffers, yes. So I'm not sure this is a PROBLEM... but my brain is having trouble deciding if having uneven inventories is going to slow down overall throughput or not.

You can see it in the screenshot, unloading into a container.

[sick dragon]

i was today years old when i learned you can hit a number to insert the first required item into a machine. eg if a machine needs modular frames to make a product and you have frames in inventory you can press 1 to insert whatever you got

[hard ivy]

The satisfactory community hates balancers for some reason, so unless I decide to make one, it probably will never exist

[shy mulch]

it's also handy for swapping wearables such as switching between jetpack/hoverpack

[spice ermine]

I mean I guess it is significantly larger in Satisfactory than in Factorio. Guess I'll just have to uproot half my factory and go back to the drawing board

[shy mulch]

Half of the fun for me is designing things like that myself

[hard ivy]

Balancers are a lot easier to build in SF than Factorio so you could always just make some BPs yourself

[spice ermine]

I don't mind designing. That stuff I love. Its just once the math expands beyond simple 60 items per minute in, 60 items per minute out. Thats when I go online and just use someone elses design xd

[true mulch]

to set the record straight: I don't really care if people who know how to use them use them, it's rather that people come here asking for help with balancers when a manifold would do the job
it's a kind of "teach a man to fish" situation where if people realize they can just use manifolds and not care, they'll be able to solve the logistic problems themselves

[pallid tide]

Suggestions for phase 4 satellite factories? Rn all I have is basic plants for iron copper and steel. Making plastic and rubber as a byproduct. Aluminum cases and plates in some amount but not sure if it's enough. But yeah it seems like MF/HMF, Circuit Board/Limiter/HSC, Motors, computers, and crystal oscillators would be a good place to start?

Basically I've just been hand crafting things like radio units and super computers and that's been great for quick progress but now I gotta make the space parts. 🙁

[shy mulch]

I have a crazy sorter thing that I put together, I have 4 storages stacked on top of each other, that can each get any amount of input, the outputs are merged in a 4:3 so I have 3 output belts, all perfectly equal, and all can be maxed out for total output of 3600/min

[true mulch]

balancers are complex and unnecessary if used wrong

[spice ermine]

I just unlocked Steel and am trying to fix the issues in my main area before expanding to make steel I dont have BPs unlocked yet ;-;

[true mulch]

make each part from scratch, don't centralize basic parts and distribute them

!wikisearch independency

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=independency

[pallid tide]

ye that's what I mean. Which parts should I have dedicated factories for?

[rotund pivot]

sup gang

[true mulch]

anything used for building really, https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Category:Building_materials is the full list

[hard ivy]

The only balancers that can just be replaced by a manifold are the 1:n and n:1 ones. And basically nobody uses them in Factorio, but for some reason noobs love them in SF.

n:m balancers are moderately useful in both games, but for some reason they basically don't exist in BP repositories here but are common in Factorio

[true mulch]

both games have a completely different way of handling belt saturation

I use balancers extensively in Factorio

Satisfactory centers around working with exact amounts in a stable production, whereas in Factorio production varies a lot and you don't really keep exact counts

make 4 belts of iron and just kinda chuck it into every mall, while the sustained consumption may be 12 belts, the malls will back up soon enough

you wouldn't do that in Satisfactory, you'd make sure each "mall" (or independent factory) has its input needs met

[hard ivy]

I use balancers in Satisfactory for the same reason I use them in Factorio. I can't be bothered to match production and consumption on each belt. Just slap a balancer on that and it works, regardless of how many items each individual belt carries

And unless your mine is running out, your miner production is stable

[true mulch]

yeah if nothing really drives you into having sustained production and you're fine not knowing how much of anything you're really making (?), you can use the same approach in SF

[true mulch]

not sure if the base game has that, but Space Age adds a huge amount of various productivity researches

bonus steel, plastic, processing units, LDS

[hard ivy]

All of my factories run continuously, producing stable output. I do not use balancers to make sure each part of the factory gets some items regardless of supply, in either game.

I use balancers to get around belt speed limits without having to do math

I split the factory into <1 belt parts and balance them. It just works

[pastel lodge]

where would i find this, looked around but cant find it anywhere

[true mulch]

what's a "ore output cap"

a pure 250% mk3 miner will fill an mk6 belt

[pastel lodge]

like removing 120 and setting it to what i want

[shy mulch]

research it in the MAM

[true mulch]

like just spawning in ore...?

[pastel lodge]

yes

so changing it to like 500 per min etc

[true mulch]

there probably is an mod that adds that

[fossil ice]

Official Modding Discord

Learn all about modding and join the community here!
<3 @true mulch

[shy mulch]

the limit in normal gameplay is 1200/min from a single node

[pastel lodge]

i have a hard time with maths and cant rlly play so

[shy mulch]

if you need more than that then there will be mods etc if that's what you're into

mk3 miner with 3 power shards is 1200/min, pairs nicely to a mk6 belt

though if you're early game and don't have that stuff, just use more nodes, there's loads

[true mulch]

I can't really say anything else than "balancers are entirely your choice here and there's no accounting for taste"

[true mulch]

sorry to inform you that this game is elementary school math disguised as a game

[pastel lodge]

but i have to go across the map so

[topaz shale]

I have no idea why I limited myself to only use one node per one factory instead of using the one node for multiple as long as I'm producing enough of that ore.

[pastel lodge]

for u mby not for me

[shy mulch]

not usually, what biome are you in and what nodes are you needing?

[pastel lodge]

on stage 2 elevator and have to keep changing recipes around so i can make stuff needed for stage 2 elevator etc

cuz some of the constructors or assembers dont get the items so i have to keep swtching constantly etc

[true mulch]

are you planning your factories at all

[hard ivy]

Yeah, they're very much not required in either game. But they're also not useless, and are in fact quite useful if you know how and when to use them

[shy mulch]

just make 1 thing that produces 1 type of thing that you need
when you need another thing, make a new thing that makes that thing
make more things

no need to change stuff around like that

[true mulch]

https://www.satisfactorytools.com/1.0/production

[onyx siren]

I am phase 4 and I still have a mk. 1 miner on an impure node producing my steel plates

[pastel lodge]

idk how to use any of those which is why i was asking if theres a mod that lets me change amount of ores being output / m

[true mulch]

select the thing you want to make, input how much you want

you may enable alt recipes in the recipes tab

[pastel lodge]

it says per minute i need only certain amount for stage not per minute

[shy mulch]

you will need more later

lots more

[pastel lodge]

i normally just break everything down and build a new line for new item

[shy mulch]

why?

[pastel lodge]

since i cant rlly do it any other way

[shy mulch]

you're just making more work for yourself for no real reason

[hard ivy]

You can just ignore the /min
But for a total, the in-game to-do list is better

[pastel lodge]

its easier for me to add everything up otherwise i cant keep up with numbers etc

[shy mulch]

you don't need to keep up with anything, or remember anything, the nodes don't run out, just leave it running producing whatever your machines are producing. if you need to make something different, go make it elsewhere, or split the ore from the node and do them beside each other

[pastel lodge]

cuz last time i tried to make 1 line for multiple items half of them didnt get resources

[shy mulch]

the machines tell you how many resources they need

if you've got 1 node producing 60 ores, and 3 machines needing 60 each, that's not gonna work, you don't need to do maths there

[pastel lodge]

yea and i struggle with numbers adding stuff up etc

[shy mulch]

you're playing a game that's focused quite heavily on resource management and efficiency and production, and you can't add 2 numbers, that's not a promising outlook

[pastel lodge]

which is why id rather the output be 999 etc since then i can just put stuff and not worry about resources not going where i want em to etc

[shy mulch]

if you want to do that, then install some mods that give you unlimited everything

[willow glen]

use SCIM, upload your save and open “statistics”, it will tell you exactly how much is being made, or how much more you actually need to make to fully satisfy everything.

[bright helm]

#screenshots message Is it a good idea to build the second tower instead of adding another 200m to it?

It would look similar to already existing tower

[hard ivy]

You still can't move more ore out of a miner than 1 belt can handle...

[reef basin]

MAM

[pastel lodge]

thats fine when i branch out it will fill everything in instead of some not being filled in

[mortal ginkgo]

I mean, without actual context and reasoning, the only answer for such question is "do what you like"

[bright helm]

I think its a good idea bc transporting something with trains gets worse

its too high and I am bored of building another elevator

[mortal ginkgo]

sure I guess

[sterile blade]

Trains pay off in the long run, if you get more trains to use the rails you built
So if you're sure that you won't be needing rails there, going for the "lower effort approach" seems reasonable

[bright helm]

and its hard to transport for example alluminium from floor 13th to floor 7th

[reef basin]

better to ask in modding discord

[split arch]

oh i see thanks, found the link in the welcome channel

[near frost]

What was the best time to start playing the game ? Like peak satisfactory (other then 1.0)

[hard ivy]

Probably U3. The addition of pipes broke half the stuff you built beforehand

[cedar portal]

Releasse day and play tthrough all the updates

[willow glen]

I started in u6 and the game was pretty much already in its 1.0 form (up to phase 4), the UE5 change broke my vehicles lol but that was about it

[near frost]

I wish I was an og player but I didn't have a PC back then so I only could watch the game

And damm dude I got a PC now and planing to get game next week

[cedar portal]

It was a lot more tedious back then, having to build belts wveryehere but at the same time it was more zen with long periods of traveling and building.

[willow glen]

I really do not want to go back to having to do phase 3+ without depots. Absolute game changer

[bright helm]

I discovered Satisfactory randomly in summer 2024. I was waiting for cheaper price but It didnt change so I bought it for -30%

[willow glen]

before I’d fill a tractor and drive it out

[cedar portal]

I remember upgrading multi-km long stacked belts before upgrade in place was a thing 😐

Delete, place, delete, place...

[willow glen]

ouch

[reef basin]

first release on epic

[heavy pine]

Walking uphill to the coal deposits with no blade runners, in two feet of snow.

[near frost]

Now i think back then u had to worry about like other stuff other then math like base building and transportation of items and other stuff like that now it's just all under "quality of life" like now we have auto connect blueprints and blueprints and drons and MK 6 belts

[heavy pine]

I remember first hearing about Satisfactory and thinking "Sounds cool, can't wait." And then it was released as an Epic exclusive and I was like 'Well, I guess I can wait a while."

[bright helm]

It might be stupid question, but was space elevator in game since early acces release or it was added later?

[reef basin]

you have to worry about math all the time

[reef basin]

since release

[near frost]

Its like the main point of the game lol

[white dawn]

(Just, like, constant existential dread about the existance of calculus. The integrals....)

[placid stirrup]

Snutt recently did a fun historical LGIO Satisfactory reaction vid, showed how things look at different updates

[heavy pine]

"Such a smooth ride..."

[near frost]

Not enough it's still hard to do 1+1

[heavy pine]

I saw hypertube cannons for the first time in LGIO's videos.

[pastel lodge]

only automation game i played was planet crafter which is way less confusing than this

[near frost]

Like bro the culuc showed 2 buts it's 3

I am like 900% sure

[near frost]

Ya is it good like i saw it was on sale on steam and I was thinking of getting it

[near frost]

I dont thing it's an "automation" game

[pastel lodge]

if u like the depth probs not since its very simple but yea

its an automation game there s alot of stuff u automate etc just differently and u dont get a headache from it

[oblique aspen]

planet crafter has some automation properties related to resource gathering, but in general its not really comparable, most machines you build there are just self-contained

[near frost]

Its not like u have to get item A to B or the system won't work

[cedar portal]

Yes, I enjoyed Planet Crafter but it's not a factory game by any stretch. It's got a tiny but of automation but very minimal.

[storm talon]

Man I'm pretty happy now.

[pastel lodge]

not factory but has automation

[cedar portal]

It does have auto-crafting to some degree, but at most you might make a chain of 2-3 machines once.

[near frost]

Aggrea

[storm talon]

I beat spaghettification. So far.

😮‍💨

[near frost]

Anyway back to staisfactory

[storm talon]

I'm gonna take a break for now. That was a big project.

[near frost]

What is that word... "break"

Its so... complex like what

Is it some sort of slur

[storm talon]

Lol.

My next big project is setting up an assembler factory

err, a factory that houses most of my assemblers.

I think... eight for reinforced plates, four for rotors?

And so on.

[lofty meteor]

hi all

[storm talon]

Maybe 8 of each come to think of it.

[near frost]

Eight!!! Dawg that is soo much work

[near frost]

Hi

[storm talon]

Maybe four then?

Six? I think four is too little.

[reef basin]

make as many as you need

[near frost]

Nah bro overclock

[storm talon]

Hmmm

[reef basin]

overclocking is pointless

[lofty meteor]

just starting Nuclear energy and im confused
to create Plutonium something-cell i need Uranium waste
can i do it without uranium waste somehow?

[reef basin]

especially this early

building more means you use less power than if you overclock

[storm talon]

I'd rather not use a lot of power slugs right off the bat. I've heard that you can get double power slugs later.

[reef basin]

they are infinite anyway

[near frost]

Nope that is the whole idea of plutonuim

[storm talon]

True. And I can always repurpose the factory anyways.

[near frost]

YOU CANT

[placid stirrup]

Nope, one of the big challenges with nuclear is dealing with waste. You can store, process and burn, or process and sink uranium waste

[steady glade]

power sluga are infinite during end game

[lofty meteor]

so i need 1 nuclear station to make uranium waste for another? :DDD

[storm talon]

I see

[hard ivy]

Each tier of rod is made from the previous rod's waste

[near frost]

yes then fisonium

[storm talon]

Ahh maybe I'll go and set up coal in the western dune forest

[near frost]

Which doesn't have waste

[steady glade]

avoid crafing with power slugs until you reach a certain level of research in the mam

[placid stirrup]

You can indeed get double output of power shards if you sloop the machines that produce them from slugs

[storm talon]

I need a good way to manage my coal generators so they don't look wonky.

[near frost]

Anyway I have to go

[storm talon]

@placid stirrup I see

[near frost]

👋

[storm talon]

Is it worth holding off on coal generation because I'm on the tier that gets oil generators?

🤔

[lofty meteor]

ok
looks like i have no problem with placing 20 more Oil sations

thanks

[hard ivy]

I mean if you can get oil power without building more coal or bio, I don't see why not

[placid stirrup]

Hopefully you didn't completely skip coal power

[storm talon]

Nah I have one coal factory running with like 10 coal generators four nodes of coal, plus a couple of overclocked miners so I can run smelters on top of it

8 or ten, I can't remember. May be more.

[placid stirrup]

That's so many nodes haha

[slow kindle]

Why won't copper distribute to the other constructors aswell? only to the first one
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[hard ivy]

Did you not OC the nodes?

[storm talon]

OC the miners

[placid stirrup]

There's a "perfect numbers" coal power setup if you're interested in that

[storm talon]

Yes

[storm talon]

Sure

I figured it was like two per node, but I think it's three

[placid stirrup]

!wikisearch cg

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[storm talon]

With MK2

[hard ivy]

1 coal gen takes 15 coal/min

[placid stirrup]

It makes setting up 8 gens very simple

[storm talon]

Oh interesting

Well if I ever do another playthrough I'll know

[placid stirrup]

In case getting to your oil power takes more power to start up than you anticipated 😉

[storm talon]

True

[main leaf]

Can never have too much power

[storm talon]

I wanna say the jetpack, for as seemingly useless as it is when you first get it, really opens up new avenues for organization

I also think the ladder is OP at the stage of the game that I'm in. I can pretty much go anywhere if I plan it right

[placid stirrup]

Played around with liquid bio yet?

[storm talon]

Not yet. I haven't unlocked liquid packaging

[placid stirrup]

You can find some at crash sites as well

[storm talon]

I got the jetpack and decided it was time to clean up all my spaghet, and spent the last two days doing that

[bright helm]

Liquid biofuel will be your best fuel. Jetpack will be way better. You will love it!

[storm talon]

Or really, the first day was figuring out how to get a bus highway that worked for me, and the second day was setting it up

Everything sort of clicked when I figured out that the conveyors have different settings

And that I needed to use the curve setting to make things look organized

[placid stirrup]

Bus highway isn't as good in satisfactory as it is in factorio 😛

[reef basin]

bus is crap in SF yeah

[shy mulch]

im a fan of the straight setting for conveyors, for those nice sharp corners

[bright helm]

I really wanna play Factorio but it's creators are

[storm talon]

Yes but it makes things look organized

[bright helm]

I cant say who

[placid stirrup]

It's recommended to Factorio players to forget what they know when starting Satisfactory

[reef basin]

are what?

[storm talon]

Lmao okay okay

[bright helm]

Perfect word: GREEDY

[storm talon]

But I don't mean factorio style busses I just mean highways of conveyors

[reef basin]

how?

[storm talon]

Factorio was great when I played it like 5-6 years ago

[bright helm]

35$ without sales is crazy

[storm talon]

I got really far before the hostiles made it too much of a chore

[bright helm]

and dlc costs the same

[reef basin]

yeah, it's super cheap

[atomic notch]

Broke ass

[placid stirrup]

You seem angry, friend

[storm talon]

That's why I like satisfactory, has almost the same level of challenge without hostiles

I'll be honest I also like the 3D environment more

[bright helm]

I got used to buying games only cheaper than 35$ I think

[storm talon]

But without Factorio, Satisfactory wouldn't even exist. So...

[bright helm]

I just bought Satisfactory

[storm talon]

You're missing out Lasica

[placid stirrup]

Or at least without making mobs a main feature of the game

[storm talon]

I mean missing out on a ton of good games not just satisfactory

[white dawn]

I think you misspelled "knowing what their game is worth and sticking to their guns"

[storm talon]

That's what I meant. I just couldn't deal with the mobs after a certain point

[reef basin]

but games with as much content as Factorio has?

[bright helm]

U are 100% right. If they set the price they want their price

[white dawn]

That, or misspelled "wanting to be able to make a living making+producing their game, and believe that their current price is the ideal one for doing so"

[random aspen]

Wet concrete, or really any of the pure ingot recipes... Build enough to need a little more water than your waste from aluminum, send them wherever or make something basic with it for the depot, and overflow it to a sink so it never backs up, then just increase the water flow from the source to cover the first level.

I like the concrete because it's a finished product and I need lots of it for building, so depoting it there is perfect.

If your issue is the water loop, this is the easiest solution I've found, though I think there are recipes that can eliminate it directly

[bright helm]

Okay, maybe I will look at this from other side, maybe if I would spend less money it would look cheap

[storm talon]

Factorio is a good game

[bright helm]

i hope it is

[storm talon]

When it goes on sale buy it and you'll see

[bright helm]

Problem is it wont go on sale anytime soon

[white dawn]

Factorio doesn't go onsale; I believe that was OP's original complaint. They stick to the price they believe the game is worth and don't participate in sales

[storm talon]

Oh well

That is definitely what the game is worth

Btw

[reef basin]

it doesn't goes on sale, because it's worth the money

[bright helm]

Well I buy games once a few months or I spent money on robux. If I stop playing Satisfactory for a few months and I wont spend too much money then I can think of buying Factorio

[willow glen]

Factorio has a demo you can try for free

[bright helm]

Maybe I will change my opinion

[acoustic heart]

How many alt recipes are there?

[white dawn]

Fewer than the number of available hard drives, if that's what you're worried about

[hard ivy]

110ish

[white dawn]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Hard_Drive#List_of_alternate_recipes <- the full list

[acoustic heart]

Well, I got like 63 drives and looking for a specific recipe why I asked lol

[bright helm]

Demo has a few scenarios? I mean I dont except more from a demo but I dont know If I wont get bored by playing prepared scenarios

[willow glen]

It’s just the tutorial, but by the time I finished it I knew I needed more

[white dawn]

Note that the pool of available recipes increases as you progress through the game. If you're at Phase 3, then your 63 drives might be pretty close to exhausting the available pool, etc

[bright helm]

Okay, I will try demo after I finish Satisfactory

[placid stirrup]

Hopefully you're saving the drives and not selecting recipes as you unlock them if you're searching for a specific one

[bright helm]

Bc I dont want to stop playing Satisfactory in the middle. Then I wouldnt want to return to my first save in Satisfactory bc I wouldnt know my earlier plans and maybe even some sectors of my factory

I paid 28$ not to play it for only 100 hours

[brisk stream]

need help

#screenshots

[placid stirrup]

Replayability is great, I have 1.5k hrs and haven't finished the game

[reef basin]

#1038092680493801533 is there for you

don't use #screenshots for getting help, it's just for showing off

[brisk stream]

my brian is fried

oh ok

[slow kindle]

Why won't copper distribute to the other constructors aswell? only to the first one
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[reef basin]

same as above

we can't type in #screenshots so use a channel where we can type 😉

[slow kindle]

oh ok

[slow kindle]

I did now in #design-and-architecture

[near frost]

Then how are u still alive?

[storm talon]

@bright helm okay you can try it after you finish satisfactory, it's essentially the same game in 2D and with mobs. Or just don't worry about it. You don't have to play every game you might potentially enjoy

[placid stirrup]

Because Brian got fried, not them

[near frost]

Ohh ya I see

[white dawn]

Heh, repeat of earlier in the day, but: Factorio is far from "the same game in 2D." Satisfactory and Factorio are very different games, with only surface-level similarities. Comparing 'em like that does a disservice to both, IMO

[reef basin]

well I said #1038092680493801533 🙂

but w/e

[slow kindle]

Oh I just saw, really sorry mb

[bright helm]

The last sentence is very important. Thats why I buy almost every game I would enjoy. I have list of games I should buy after Satisfactory. I have to lock in and stop spending too much money in short period of time.

[wary perch]

It would be cool if there was a pool localized in a vending machine which held various liquids which I could put into my ficsit brand virtual coffee cup

[bright helm]

"Its only 5$. Who wouldn't but it'' Its me when I see a huge sale

[placid stirrup]

*posts in #streams-and-videos *

[acoustic heart]

Yeah, Im saving them to lower the pool

[white dawn]

I've always thought that's what the "flush pipe" feature should do. :D

[placid stirrup]

Nothing like a cup of turbo fuel to start the day

[reef basin]

and this is one of the reasons I very much like the "no-sale" approach and wish more people did that

[sterile blade]

Buy responsably~

[white dawn]

New feature request: flushing pipes drains 0.0005 m³ from the pipe, into your mug. Pioneers must drink from the mug before another flush can be done

[shy mulch]

About 80% of the games in my steam library I've never even played once. I just buy things that look cool or someone tells me about then go back to playing Satisfactory

[brisk stream]

CARL

carl*

[naive scroll]

so yesterday some told me not to centralize everything - but what did you mean? lke dont centralize ore? im trying to already do buildings to do stuff i think i will do that as soon as i find coal... how od you guys go about bases?

[storm talon]

im glad carl saved you

[naive scroll]

also is the third map better than the first?

[storm talon]

@naive scroll Just do what you need to do and don't worry about how you do it.

[naive scroll]

ah

and do you guys recommend a map over another?

[green fiber]

there are no different maps

its 4 different locations

[naive scroll]

huh? but i can select four different ones

oh, but all the same map?

[green fiber]

its 4 spots on the same map

[naive scroll]

ohhhh ok cool

i thought id have to restart

[green fiber]

nah you can just walk over to the other ones

[naive scroll]

can i rename my save?

nvm just found that

is there a better way to take items from a storage rather drag and drop? when i do ctrl it takes everything

[shy mulch]

shift click takes 1 entire stack

[naive scroll]

thanks

[shy mulch]

right click splits stack, hold right click lets you choose split amount

[stable warren]

is there a way i can connect a glass wall so it doesnt have a little thing in middle of it so its kind of connected i hope yall know what it means

[shy mulch]

not sure what you mean

[stable warren]

let me send a screeshot, im bad at explaining lmao

[shy fog]

*noticed the compas wiggle when landing after jumping

[white dawn]

#design-and-architecture might be the better place to ask, btw, since you can inline images there (and the question sounds apropos)

[stable warren]

i did lol i forgot about it ty tho

[finite grove]

can someone explain the notation on the power graphs?

what does consumption, max consumption, production and capacity mean?

[stable warren]

im still confused lol

[trim vine]

Consumption - What you are currently using or consuming

Max Consumption - If every machine hooked up to this power grid were on and running at max efficiency, this is the maximum amount of power that would be used.

Production - How much power is currently being produced

Capacity - The maximum amount of power you can utlitize before the grid would shut down

[white dawn]

(Note that "Production" and "Capacity" nearly always identical once you're no longer have Bio Burners hooked into your network; Bio Burners are the main thing that adds "Capacity" but not "Production")

(Though I realize after saying that that I don't remember exactly how APAs affect the graphs)

[trim vine]

Most power producing buildings are always running at 100%

Biomass burners throttle speed based on consumption rates, and actually can burn slower than 4 per minute (assuming solid biofuel)

||The Alien Agumenter|| or whatever its called doesnt produce power, but boosts existings grids, which can account for differences in capacity and production

[finite grove]

alr tysm

[shy fog]

fyi WhosDadIsThis... the filtered part does prodce power by itself...

[trim vine]

Ahhh, 500 MW? or so?

[shy fog]

yep, I have done runs with zero picked up flora

the hard part was finding enough loops

[trim vine]

Impressive, and I had forgotten about the baseline power from that, its nominal (for when it should be getting use :P)

But the boost capacity is what creates a desync from capacity and production 😛

[daring reef]

i have no idea how to make nuclear power

i really dont need power anyway lol

i have alot of power to spare

[shy fog]

nuclear power is 99% feed the reactor

[daring reef]

how do i deal with waste though

[shy fog]

particle accelerator?

[trim vine]

process it into plutonium?

[shy mulch]

Put it in a blender with lizard doggo milk and it makes a delightful shake

[daring reef]

This

[daring reef]

lame

[split pewter]

you can turn waste into any form of plutonium and sink it (or just turn it into plutonium fuel rods and use those due to there being a much lower waste output)

[heavy pine]

Why do I have so much difficulty getting rail signals to place in the correct direction? It seems like they'll only face the right way when I place them at the seam between two pieces of track.

[peak wasp]

hello!
transport raw resource, copper, iron etc, with trains is a useless point (efficency) ?

[hard ivy]

80% of what I transport by trains is raw resources

[peak wasp]

ah ok!
good i understand nothing of this game XD

[earnest ingot]

i wonder what comes next for Satisfactory

[acoustic heart]

Satisfactory 2

[earnest ingot]

maybe a new continent?

[earnest ingot]

true

[acoustic heart]

2 Satis 2 Factory

[earnest ingot]

satisfactory is definetly my favorite game i think

[peak wasp]

me too, i hope a new map and if possible new recipe but is most difficult

[white dawn]

Trains are a good logistics choice for any material, so long as the geography between points A and B are amenable to it and not too close together. I use trains in a variety of circumstances. My most "stupid" train route on my 1.0 save was a train lugging a staggering 2/min HMF. :)

[acoustic heart]

Oh, this game opened up the genre of factory games for me. It quickly became my all time favorite game

[earnest ingot]

i no longer have to play destiny

so thats a win IMO

[acoustic heart]

Bless your soul lol

[peak wasp]

ahah ok good because i start a fresh game and i want specialzie every zone for produce N items. Then i need to move all copper/iron from miner near the world to factory and i thinking if trasport raw or first level

[split pewter]

satisfactory 2 : back to work

[peak wasp]

i alternate this game with gw2

[split pewter]

releases 2099

[acoustic heart]

I would like some more building stuff. Like decorative and aesthetically speaking

[naive scroll]

how can i easily tell why i have a power outage?

[white dawn]

I do tend to recommend building factories near the majority of the nodes that the factory needs, fwiw. Especially for later-game factories you may not have locations with all the necessary nodes nearby, in which case transporting ores is definitely necessary

Though of course build how you like, etc. :)

[white dawn]

It's basically just because you have machines requiring more power than your power grid can supply

There's no real single culprit really; it's just that the combined power requirements of your active machines exceed the production

[peak wasp]

yesyes i build near the most iron node i find (most pure ) then i want start to transport all mienral on the central node i selected to produce t1 material etc

sorry my englsih is really bad i hope you understand

[white dawn]

Keep an eye on the power grid via the power poles, etc

It'll show you your Consumption (ie: the power your active machines need), Max Consumption (the power they'd need if they were all active at once), and Capacity (the total amount of power your grid can handle)

[split pewter]

tip : always keep capacity above max cons

even if you arent using all the power

[white dawn]

Power-generation buildings running out of fuel can cause it too, of course, since the Capacity will drop once the generator/burner goes offline

[split pewter]

underclocking is useful alot because of that

[rigid mist]

did the math and it frightens me
for 200 hours of buffer time between nuclear power start up and mandatory dealing with it i need 525 industrial storage containers

[white dawn]

Time to get a-blueprintin'!

[acoustic heart]

ppsshh. who needs that?

[split pewter]

alot of people

[unkempt blade]

yeah and only use biofuel delivered by factory carts because it's the most predictable fuel source

[split pewter]

true

most useful thing possible

[hard ivy]

turn it into plutonium then. there'll be a lot less of it

or 0, if you sink it

[rigid mist]

that's why i gave my self 200 hours to do that

[white dawn]

Can always just add some more storage if you start approaching 200 hours and have been procrastinating. :)

[split pewter]

I FINALLY BURNED THROUGH MY TURBOFUEL

[unkempt blade]

what you need is a whole bunch of trains so you can fill those with rad waste too and then you tell them to drive around your train network all the time so people get a spicy surprise driving at them

[rigid mist]

not people just me

[unkempt blade]

you're people, it's ok

[split pewter]

just turn it into plutonium and sink it if you dont want waste (as long as you have enough power)

[unkempt blade]

just act surprised when it happens so it's more fun

[split pewter]

"oh my god why do i feel sick as that trains approaching?"

[rigid mist]

i'm going to have one train going around the map collecting all the uranium and then build the plant above the ocean

[split pewter]

make it go all in and out of the ocean, so nobody can use that water for decades

maybe longer

[rigid mist]

but i'm planning with max uranium gathering rate of 2100/min

[strong coyote]

I figured out when using the xeno-sapper, sometimes you get a animation of yourself punching

[split pewter]

yep

and with xeno-basher you sometimes flick it when you equip it

nvm thats always

[rigid mist]

gotta get all the stuff to make the plant first

[split pewter]

sulfur, concrete, iron, coal, water, copper

you need more i think but idk

[rigid mist]

no i mean the buildings

[split pewter]

ah

[rigid mist]

my production is in the shit right now

[split pewter]

good luck with supercomputers then

[rigid mist]

i already am making some but i'm going to make a factory that produces enough items to build 1 nuclear generator per 5 minutes

by the time i'm done building the plant i should have enough for the rest of the game

[split pewter]

enough materials?

cuz you never have enough power

[unkempt blade]

or factory carts

[split pewter]

yes

[rigid mist]

i have 12 gw left over

[split pewter]

factory carts are better than highways

[pallid tide]

I probably don't want to go nuclear until I can process the goo into plutonium and sink it, right?

[rigid mist]

plan to boot up the nuclear plant in 2 or more sections to reduce strain on the power grid

[split pewter]

wait wth are my nuclear plants not running

im making 5k now???

btw look up while using jetpack and crouching

[rigid mist]

ew texture slicing

[faint reef]

So i just figured out lizard doggos are not enemies lol. I was attacked by everything at the beginning so i just killed on sight everything. I must have killed like 50 of them since i started playing

[vale grotto]

Challenge run idea: absolutely no coal. Petroleum coke for diamonds and aluminum scrap, iron pipe and aluminum beam alts for steel use

[pallid tide]

bump

[vale grotto]

I mean I personally wouldn't, but some people here are absolutely fine storing nuclear waste in boxes

[white dawn]

Eh, IMO even uranium waste storage isn't that big of a deal, though you do want to math it out to find out how much storage you want to build

(Personally I nearly always wait until I can also do Plutonium, but it's up to you in the end)

[fluid bluff]

If you intend to process waste later then you should probably wait until that's possible.

[pallid tide]

Basically make enough fuel power to get phase 4 done, got it

[hard ivy]

uranium waste is a bit of a pain to deal with, because there's a lot of it. so you probably want to make plutonium at least.

But plutonium doesn't make nearly as much waste, so storing it is a lot easier. so you can relatively easily build enough storage to last 1000+ hours. Or just sink it so there's no waste

[topaz shale]

Man I love my hypertubes

[sterile blade]

New April Fools?!? 👀
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[split pewter]

cannon where?

[split pewter]

its perfect

[topaz shale]

No cannon yet. I'm just using my hypertubes to go from my oil area in the blue lake area back to the grazzy fields.

[split pewter]

aw.

[vale grotto]

Honestly kind of impressive that you can even do this at all lmao

[sterile blade]

I'm too lazy to make the post myself though

[split pewter]

how do i already have too much waste

[vale grotto]

I mean you'd have to use some coal in the early game for steel, but it's crazy that you could in theory completely eliminate it

[split pewter]

its a perfect setup

[peak wasp]

for screw use the recipe with steel beam is good or waste ?

[hard ivy]

basically any screw using and screw making recipe is a waste of time, space, and resources

[naive scroll]

so get rid as much as possible of screws right?

at first sadly i have no option now 3 things need screws

[white dawn]

Steel Screws is a pretty popular recipe, sure; the steel requirements are extremely low, and the high output lends itself quite well to inline screw production regardless of factory line

[finite grove]

am i getting smited by the alien gods for stealing their glowing purple balls? why is there an aurora borealis in the sky?

[white dawn]

And indeed, some folks strive to just completely eliminate screws from their factory lines in general, instead

[peak wasp]

ok i udnerstand right, thanks

[peak wasp]

ohhh ok i not reach this point atm

[naive scroll]

how do i see those alternate recipes to eliminate screws?

[white dawn]

I'd personally recommend choosing whatever's most convenient at factory-construction time, though, whether that's Steel Screws, no screws, or even one of the other screw recipes

[topaz shale]

^

Always whatever is the most convenient for you

[white dawn]

You have to go to crash sites scatterered around the map, open up the cargo pods, and then scan the found hard drives in the MAM. Then once it's done scanning, you can choose between two alt recipes (and rescan once to get a different two choices)

Sometimes the recipe you get as a choice will be one which eliminates screws as a requirement for the thing it's producing (like, in exchange for something else, typically -- it's not going to be The Same Recipe But Without Screws™)

[heavy pine]

Keep in mind that most of the pods will require parts or power to unlock them.

[naive scroll]

god damn it another fuse blown

[peak wasp]

thanks

[visual cosmos]

Aight im done with 5 computers per minute
Which isn't great but if I did more I would need to make a plastic production factory

[heavy pine]

I made a blueprint that plops down a biomass burner with a handful of fuel in it. I drop a bunch of those near a pod that needs power, wire it all up, and dismantle it all when I'm done.

[split pewter]

check the issue

[visual cosmos]

I just used polymer and extra oil i had from my power plant