satisfactory

[wicked nacelle]

omfg guy. come on

[twilit escarp]

and fiscit doesnt like non efficient things

[wicked nacelle]

okay, that was fun. moving on

[trim vine]

#satisfactory message

@twilit escarp go back and read your previous stuff, learn from it

[twilit escarp]

but that is legit the core of the game right?

[wicked nacelle]

no.

[stray loom]

If you're worried that much about energy efficiency of a few pumps when you're making turbofuel or rocket fuel you've got the wrong priorities tbh

[twilit escarp]

yeah, some things dont change

[trim vine]

#satisfactory message

[wicked nacelle]

i mean if you just want the point of the game it's to save humanity by making parts. Sitting around worrying about 10MW here and there isn't making the parts to save humanity

[twilit escarp]

bro went sniffing my old conversations

but that is true...

[trim vine]

Only when someone goes in circles for an excessively long time 😛

[twilit escarp]

i prefer triangles squares, but sure

[nimble jungle]

A wise man once said, “perfection is the least ambitious goal you can set, because all it does is give you infinite reasons not to start”

[lofty forge]

From my experience you literally can't plan out gigantic buildings from the start. you can take some countermeasures like: planning the first step, starting to build out in a fairly open area in case calculations are wrong, but you can't really plan everything all at once, the building positions, how much pipe, how many pump you need*

[twilit escarp]

ouch, i am a bit too guilty on that

[wicked nacelle]

so we're all in agreement here now? Pumps are fine. Use them when you need them.

[lofty forge]

i would suggest getting the 20 refineries down, and then building the rest of the factory from that point on

[twilit escarp]

wrong

first i need the foundations :/

[stray loom]

Just build™

[peak wasp]

Decided it might be fun to use water

I replaced every single iron smelter with a refinery

[stray loom]

No foundations. Only spaghet

[lofty forge]

if you dont mind floating platforms, then the void?

[steady glade]

build in the water

[vague sparrow]

#screenshots message Pretty much done with my power tower, apart from some windows and detailing

man I' m cooked lmao

[twilit escarp]

#screenshots message

placed the refinerie part ig

#screenshots message and will build in this direction

[wise zinc]

I am pulling my hair out with train signals. How do you go about tryign to figure out why a Block Signal says it loops back on itself when there's only straight track ahead of it leading to a merge down the line where the block signal at the end of that merge is green?

[wicked nacelle]

there's a bug where if you put a signal on a split/merge it does that. delete it and scoot it back

you can tell the bug is happening when the rail doesn't change color on either side of the signal

if you just scoot the signal back a little it almost always fixes it (and the color will change)

[wise zinc]

what color change am I looking for? on the track itself or the sign?

[wicked nacelle]

the track while you're holding a signal in your build gun

you know how they turn green/purple/grey/etc?

[wise zinc]

Ahh okay lemme give that a try a sec

[wicked nacelle]

if you post screenshots, please do it with the track colored

[wise zinc]

If taht doesn't work I will, thanks

didn't work, i'll take some screenshots

[vague sparrow]

bro crashed again 3rd time in an hour

-.-

[wise zinc]

I posted two screenshots. I am lost, thanks if you can help at all

[wicked nacelle]

post your error screen?

one sec

what error message is on the signal on the first picture?

[wise zinc]

signals loops on itseld

[wicked nacelle]

double check it for me just for kicks?

[wise zinc]

Just did, that's what it says. Want a screenshot?

[wicked nacelle]

can you do a screenshare/voice chat?

[wise zinc]

Sure

[wicked nacelle]

I'll DM

@wise zinc another satisfied customer 🙂

[wise zinc]

o7

[vague sparrow]

@flat zinc #screenshots message an hour

[copper raft]

#screenshots I just had a cool aesthetic idea for a build

[vague sparrow]

nice

[wicked nacelle]

OMFG I just found an unnecessary pump!!!!

[lofty forge]

also if you have problems with planning the thing in any shape or form you can try setting parameters for yourself (for example: "try using the vertical space to not make it too flat" "5 refineries at a floor at once" "the floor must be as much square as possible" "max manifold length is 10 refineries" "most efficent use of space comes from using all 3 dimensions or ᴄᴜʙᴇ and such) that could give your brain more direction and could help you see how you are gonna do it more effectively.

[vague sparrow]

#screenshots message I' m pretty much done with my powerplant, except for some detailing

Not sure if the belts are too bright lmao

[twilit escarp]

#screenshots message Alr guys, opinions?

[flat zinc]

lmao

[twilit escarp]

the 3 pipes are for 1 Heavy residual, and 2 for water

now all i need is connect the oil and water extractors

(and do the blender part)

[lofty forge]

looks good

do you plan on doing any verticality?

[twilit escarp]

hmm, nnot rly

i plan on expanding to the void

[wicked nacelle]

I would leave a bit more room between the rows of refineries but if you can fit everything there, then that works for you

[twilit escarp]

but on this part nop

this are the refineries that use the same oil extractor

also awnser me a question: if i need a total of 800 water , but each pipe can only handle 600, and i have 2 pipes with 600 water one on top of the other and i close the loop at the end, can i make all the blenders in a row using the same pipe?

[wicked nacelle]

as long as you feed in the second one far enough down that enough of the water has been eaten from the other source pipe then yes. Just like the 8:3 coal generator:water extractor design basically... except just 2 inputs not 3

[twilit escarp]

perfect

[wicked nacelle]

the water will try to flow the right way to not overflow the pipe... but if you feed the second in in too close then it can't

[twilit escarp]

now, how should i feed the blenders...

[stray loom]

Why not just run 2 pipes of 400 instead?

[twilit escarp]

also it means i only need to pump one of the pipes right?

[twilit escarp]

i was thinking about how to fit the 3 pipes here

and i kinda like how they look on top of each other

and was thinking if i do this, i can save on X axis space and expand on the Y axis

[wicked nacelle]

there are tricks you can play with that but they're not worth it.

just get stuff working

[twilit escarp]

NOOO

i need more concrete...

and i didnt setup an hypertube to my base....

[lofty forge]

this thing gonna be ｗｉｄｅ. Just fyi, verticality can save a ton of space. due to being, in the most literal sense of word. an extra dimension

[twilit escarp]

yeah, but refineries are so tall...

[lofty forge]

no dimensional depot? -megamind staring into the screen meme-

[twilit escarp]

i do have, but not fast enough...

[wicked nacelle]

set a timer for every however many minutes and empty your dimensinoal storage into inventory every time it fills up

and put some more dimensinoal storages on concrete to speed it up

[twilit escarp]

i might go back to the base to go grab more concrete

cause i will need a lot

[lofty forge]

dont forget to add more dimensional depots to concrete to increase the upload speed like xaxxon said

[twilit escarp]

that or setup a nearby concrete farm hmmm

[wicked nacelle]

you shouldn't need more than half an inventory's worth of concrete

[twilit escarp]

since i am legit on the other corner of themap

[wicked nacelle]

and also make a hypertube cannon to shoot you back and forth so you don't have to care about having to go back and forth

[rigid glen]

I think I had 6 depots for concrete all loading by the time I got the end of phase 4

And everyone should have a hypertube gun blueprint they can lay down at will, it changes the game in terms of factory hopping

[wicked nacelle]

copper sheet and then belt stuff, too. If you're pulling a bunch of pipe/beltwith autoconnect blueprints you can burn through stuff really fast.

[twilit escarp]

so is this a good idea? #screenshots message

or should i just go up?

#screenshots message lines for context of pipes

[lofty forge]

and also having readied blueprints with mergers splitters built into the machines already, even better if you build belts (place it then delete the conveyor pole) to the sides so that auto-connect does the belting for you. speed things up by a lot

[twilit escarp]

ik, i will need 8 more

[wicked nacelle]

that looks like a design that would make me sad later when I tried to change it. One floor per tier is a great design for expandability

[twilit escarp]

well, sad , i was going into the void

guess i am not

[edgy swift]

Is there console plans for satisfactory??

[vague sparrow]

It's enough to power a small factory with the basics, then you'll have to double/quadruple it

Get to oil asap and start burning that 😛

[twilit escarp]

so, any sugestions on how to go up?

[rigid glen]

It's coming, no date I can find

[twilit escarp]

building on top of refinires is kinda weird cause they so talll

[rigid glen]

but they did announce it with 1.0 last year

[wicked nacelle]

just a higher ceiling.

[twilit escarp]

but the smoke....

[vague sparrow]

even higher ceiling

[wicked nacelle]

you're going to make me scream and scare my dogs

[twilit escarp]

how high?

[wicked nacelle]

as high as you need it to be.

[twilit escarp]

bruh....

[hollow vector]

as high as your mother

[vague sparrow]

uhh,,, look at the smoke and ... there you go

[wicked nacelle]

you can also just build off to the side a bit and stairstep the smoke stacks

[vague sparrow]

use neurons

[twilit escarp]

they arent turned on yet..

[wicked nacelle]

turn one on.

[vague sparrow]

power one one

its useually like 5-6m

[wicked nacelle]

or go to another spot with them and just count the walls needed to cover the smoke

[vague sparrow]

usually*

[twilit escarp]

but i didnt conected the oil yte...

[wicked nacelle]

hang on

I'll count for you\

[hollow vector]

connect it then dumbass

[lofty forge]

try to keep the refineries to as low number of floors as possible, IMO you should always aim to make it so that the part is a square, similar height and widht. blenders are easily stackable

[hollow vector]

its called "critical thinking skills"

[peak wasp]

Just got my 23 refineries going

[twilit escarp]

going to that on the end...

[wicked nacelle]

10 walls high

[twilit escarp]

wdym?

[twilit escarp]

thx

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1401388587223875584/image.png?ex=68901853&is=688ec6d3&hm=fd6db4571252974b82e75e513d7c38f0d2866b0230e6b89f07ad1caec0bb226d&

[vague sparrow]

aprox 12meters

[twilit escarp]

is that a cliping belt through a pipe?

[wicked nacelle]

I don't know maybe.

shit happens when you actually build and don't just perseverate

[vague sparrow]

It's probalby just under

tier 3 isn't so high

mk4 and 5 have highe edger

I usually do something like this

#screenshots message

or place the splitters 2 high

[lofty forge]

when making the factory part, try to make it so that when looked at from front it looks similar to a square. For example: the refiners is 31m tall and 10m wide, so, make it so that every floor has 4 refineries so that it looks similar to a square. it also makes planning easier, cuz you instead of trying hard to imagine the buildings, you just go "oh 16 refineries, that could be 8(refineries)x2(floors)"

[twilit escarp]

OMG I AM STUPID, i forgot the belts....

[lofty forge]

or at least a rectangle

[twilit escarp]

that is just another step for me to overthink

[lofty forge]

not completely flat tho

[vague sparrow]

or, improvise, because you suck at math and had to double the throughput lol

#screenshots message

[twilit escarp]

relatable

[wicked nacelle]

so put in the belts. the actual machines don't take that long to place. You lost 5 minutes max

unless you spend more time typing on discord 😛

[twilit escarp]

i can multitask

[noble sand]

Or just ignore that and completely spaghettify your factory

[flat zinc]

thats what im using :/

lol

[vague sparrow]

1gw from oil? :/

[flat zinc]

i just got access to it ;-;

[vague sparrow]

fair enough

regular fuel is pretty inefficient, youll want to upgrade to turbo asap

[dense violet]

it's diluted fuel that really gives you the boost

[noble sand]

I dont know why I dont see more spaghetti in #screenshots...

[wicked nacelle]

maybe cuz people shame people and SWIM care about being shamed

[vague sparrow]

I'm making 135GW from 900m3 oil rn

through diluted fuel > rocket fuel

[wicked nacelle]

diluted fuel boosts all downstream fuel production types,

[vague sparrow]

Usually once people get a hang of the game they realise spaghetti is inefficient and chaotic and yoou can never find stuff

[noble sand]

But it's fun

[vague sparrow]

I was playing with a guy who clipped 6 belts through asll sorts of machines to get products all over the place, took me 5 min to find iron plates

nah, for me its frustrating

my new power tower looks like a mirror skyscraper from a distance

maybe I should add signs to light the outside 😛

ok I think my power factory is crashing my game lmao

[rich torrent]

is the creature hostility thing personal or for everybody in my world

[dense violet]

should be everyone

[wicked nacelle]

that would be weird if it were per person

[vague sparrow]

They will come hunt you down if you hurt the doggos though

[rich torrent]

Disney princess setting

[twilit escarp]

#screenshots message so now... where should i go up?

on the side the oil arrives so it goes in and comes back from same side

OR from the other side?

(i can make the oil comming with a bit more distance if needed)

[dense violet]

whichever you want?
but you'll have fewer flow issues with fewer junctions. Have 2 refs feeding off each one

[twilit escarp]

wait....

you mean descentralized?

[dense violet]

no? you ahve 1 junction per refineries feeding the oil to them.

stagger them so you have a ref on each side of 1 junction being fed

[twilit escarp]

#screenshots message

so 1 junction feeding 2 ref?

[dense violet]

thats what I said, yes

more input spots creates more points of turbulence

[dense violet]

just slide the refs down a couple meters

[twilit escarp]

actualy, if they are in the middle it doesnt even connect

[wicked nacelle]

shift one of the sides or the refineries down

[twilit escarp]

unless i do this...

[ruby mountain]

match the input pipes

[twilit escarp]

#screenshots message

[wicked nacelle]

nonononononononono

just shift one side down half a building

[twilit escarp]

but then they will be descentralized with each other

[wicked nacelle]

it'll even show you with lines when the fluid inputs are lined up

WHO CARES????

[twilit escarp]

i do..

[wicked nacelle]

it'll work. worry about "it'll work" first

[twilit escarp]

what i am doing also works so....

#screenshots message

one junction for 2 ref

[dense violet]

It’s just something to keep in mind if/when you have back flow issues.

[hoary rose]

just put in my brand new gpu and i am getting 100 fps on med settings

[dense violet]

Might want to leave space to adjust it later

[hoary rose]

way better than before was haveing to play on low settings and only getting 60fps

[twilit escarp]

change my mind, but 60 is the optimal point, above that is meh diference

(talking by someone who plays games at 120 , 240, etc...)

[hoary rose]

yeah i have not changed the setting in game but in game its set to inf

thats why i am getting 100fps

[twilit escarp]

i would rather have constant 60 fps than unstable 120

cause the unstable i can feel it

[wicked nacelle]

depends how much computer you have I suppose and if you have a gsync/freesync monitor I guess

[hoary rose]

good job for point that out for me i set it to 60fps and i some what stopped getting random lag spikes

[twilit escarp]

#screenshots message done

[wicked nacelle]

you're good with that but not shifting the buildings by half a foundation? .. interesting choice

but you do you, of course.

[twilit escarp]

shifting would mean having to redo all belt work and pipe work + them not being aligned

[wicked nacelle]

k

[twilit escarp]

the last point is the most important

[hoary rose]

man i am so happy right now

[vague sparrow]

better get used to redoing alot of stuff lol

this game is made for redoing stuff over and over xD

[twilit escarp]

bro i am lazy

all this refineries is getting me tired

[wicked nacelle]

it'slazy to do things the easy way. You're constantly doing things the hard way

[vague sparrow]

you'll probably wont get much further then lol

[dense dagger]

If I am unlocking rocket fuel I only need packed turbo fuel to unlock rocket fuel right or is there any other use for it later?

[vague sparrow]

lazy people think of easy solutions

[twilit escarp]

yeah, i gave the example of my steel factory

[wicked nacelle]

turbo fuel is mostly for making rocket fuel, yes.

[vague sparrow]

You can use it for drones, or just repourpose into rocket fuel

[wicked nacelle]

turbo fuel can also be used to increase diamond production in end game

[dense dagger]

nice cause I am finally starting to work on the blue crater spot for fuel

[vague sparrow]

does require alot of coal tho right?

[wicked nacelle]

diamonds do

[vague sparrow]

I'm doing the oil to diamonds thing rn

[wicked nacelle]

I do that. and cloudy. and pink. and turbo. and normal.

[vague sparrow]

1 input 1 output ez

[wicked nacelle]

i even have smart splitter on my plastic/rubber packaged oil to send any extra to diamonds

[dense dagger]

2550 crude oil at blue crater rip construction time

[wicked nacelle]

I don't trust that fancy pipe priority stuff. I just package it, smart splitter it, then unpackage it 🙂

[vague sparrow]

pipe priority?

[wicked nacelle]

from the pipe manual pdf

[vague sparrow]

ohhh

[wicked nacelle]

up pipe vs down pipe vs... who tf knows

I can see if a smart splitter is working right 🙂

[vague sparrow]

pipes will usually let you know when machines just run bad 😛

but yeah splitters are easier overall

[wicked nacelle]

I changed one of my rocket fuel power fields to packaged rocket fuel and it runs so much nicer https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1401402694027055155/image.png?ex=68902577&is=688ed3f7&hm=6fd56d8483f9d79fa0f4c39124432beeb254e546f29adb317535b9f70976a959&

perfect 1200/m packaged to 4x600 rocket fuel pipes -- perfect flow

[vague sparrow]

Nice

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1401403012202893394/image.png?ex=689025c2&is=688ed442&hm=a8155a7f6c3e70321499670c318894710196f43066c8c640e743ebdbe315ccfe&

[vague sparrow]

😛

I' m just staring at this, thinking how I can make it better #screenshots message

Maybe some roofs here and there for aethetics

[wicked nacelle]

have a belt that goes around it like a helix with 80/m BWD's

hey wait

[vague sparrow]

I still need to build my other factory to even automate stuff like that

[wicked nacelle]

can you belt deez nutz?

waaaaaaaait

[vague sparrow]

I can try

I ahve my DD full with nuts and berries

xD

[wicked nacelle]

oh I NEED THIS

[vague sparrow]

idk if 400ish is enough to fill the belt tho

probably come by in phases

Also I'm scared, this tower crashed my game 4x and idk why, fps never went below 70

[wicked nacelle]

I don't have that many nuts right now because I've been seeding my world with them

[vague sparrow]

You can plant them?

[wicked nacelle]

nah, I just drop them on the ground in random places

like easter eggs

oph yes. it works https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1401404692541739170/image.png?ex=68902753&is=688ed5d3&hm=01ef7f2c7da0362b32b20d645d838697a1f2bb3b0ba3f11a936c6b910765e340&

[vague sparrow]

ohh u meant the statues

[wicked nacelle]

what nutz you talking about?

[vague sparrow]

beryl nuts lol

[wicked nacelle]

nah. get a container full of gold nuts

[vague sparrow]

I still need the 1k achievement to 100% the game

I intermitently sink 4k DNA for a little extra points

[wicked nacelle]

my subwoofer is rattling my portable air conditioner.

[willow glen]

make sure to sloop your protein and DNA!

[vague sparrow]

Thank you,. but how do you think I get 4k in one go 😛

[wicked nacelle]

easy coupons https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1401405834134556692/image.png?ex=68902863&is=688ed6e3&hm=5478619b74866186bae84372a1229c4b8ad73d365f9f9de83852befb8d8c85cf&

[vague sparrow]

I have the power to finish my other factory now

[willow glen]

nice flex, more reasonable early game is… well quartz is technically better, but I usually do RIP on some iron nodes far away from main factory

[wicked nacelle]

I mean I gotta show off a little for those hundreds of hours

[vague sparrow]

but these are all the machines I still need to i ncorporate, each machine has a diferent recipe >.<

#screenshots message

[balmy locust]

Does anyone have any suggestions on why my base keeps depowering... I have 3 switches. Two coal power stations which are making like 1k each and my oil power plant, which is making like 14k... the TOTAL draw of all of my bases, COMBINED, is like 5k. I am 100% sure the oil power station is actually putting out the 14k. So... why when I turn the switches on, does my main base keep losing power? It isn't on switch directly. Here is a screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/nihtJAY.png

[vague sparrow]

I think I have most if not all resources imported anyway

[wicked nacelle]

do you have a split power grid? make sure everything is connected to the coal power not on another grid

[vague sparrow]

2 coal power is 150mw, not 1k?

oh wait stations

[willow glen]

Make your platforms larger, increase concrete production if you need to. Having just a little bit of extra space will make belt and pipe organization so much easier.

[vague sparrow]

Oh I just set these buildings up with signs and math so I dont forget

earlier today I had to ship in 4kp/m extra limestone for all the stuff I'm making

[balmy locust]

To the best of my knowledge everything is connected.

[balmy locust]

Yeah, when I said "station" I meant.... "a place where I am making a bunch of coal power"

[vague sparrow]

these buildings ill disssappear as they are built lol

[wicked nacelle]

I mean, the power grid graph is accurate, so just look at that. it tells you how much you're making and how much you're using

[vague sparrow]

@willow glen #screenshots message I have several levels with production, most smelting if fixed

[balmy locust]

...I figured out the problem.

[vague sparrow]

I just need to expand out and start making actual items

[willow glen]

mmmm vertical organization 🙂

[wicked nacelle]

what was it?

[balmy locust]

I... don't understand WHY... but it is fixed. Asking me to check to make sure everything was wired up made me check... and I don't understand why, but at the edge of my initial base was a small, biomass power station... it isn't even running anymore, I had the switches off. But I did have power to my main base running through there. I disconencted it... and the issue went away. I don't get why that mattered?

[vague sparrow]

aluminum made on top, iron/ copper steel at the bottom, caterium in the back somewhere

[balmy locust]

There was no switch on it.

[vague sparrow]

nitrogen on the side, for the fused frames etc

[wicked nacelle]

yeah not sure

[vague sparrow]

and 5kp/m concrete >.<

coming in through 2 trains

[willow glen]

Blown fuses must be manually switched back on. If it’s connected to a larger functioning grid, the fuse will blow for that grid too, even if it’s got enough power otherwise

[vague sparrow]

the limestone anyway

[willow glen]

I’ve never found a use for switches in game so I’m unfamiliar with those but that blown fuse overriding working power has gotten me plenty

[balmy locust]

I don't understand why that would blow the grid, since I was supplying SO much power to the rest of my base?

But that was it, thanks 🙂

[vague sparrow]

I've never had seperate power grids :/

[gritty sleet]

I wish there were half-sized storage containers. Like I just need a tiny piece of inventory space I can hook a belt to...

[vague sparrow]

all on 1 system, just way overtuned 😄

[vague sparrow]

you can fill half with 1 of an item

[gritty sleet]

I mean like physically, I want a small one to fit into a tight space lol

[vague sparrow]

ahhh

[trim vine]

For things on a switch, cant you remotely do it from a priority switcher?

[willow glen]

there has to be a mod for that

[gritty sleet]

To hand-feed stuff into project assembly. I'd only need like 8-9 stacks of supercomputers to finish the whole thing

[vague sparrow]

personal storage box

[gritty sleet]

Need one with a belt lol

[willow glen]

I’m unsure if “switched off” and “blown fuse” are different power states or not, because “blown fuse” and “insufficient power to begin working for the first time” are.

Blown fuse always needs the manual override tho

[vague sparrow]

@gritty sleet #screenshots message

there ya go 🥳

[gritty sleet]

Yes lol, or like a chest on a frame you can mount ON the belt like the throughput counter, and it just drops its contents one at at time onto the belt

[flat zinc]

guys how do i make the power pole mk. 2 the default for when i start placing power lines?

[gritty sleet]

Change it to that one on the hotbar

[flat zinc]

i mean when i want to connect a wire to a machine and make a new pole

i have it in the hotbar already

[twilit escarp]

so, does this look good? #design-and-architecture message

[gritty sleet]

I don't think you can change that. The powerline placement just copies the current pole if it's a pole, or a mk1 if you start at the machine and not the pole.

[willow glen]

A solution is to include mk2 pole in blueprint

[flat zinc]

im not using blueprints

[frail sleet]

you cant

[flat zinc]

sad, sad day

thanks

[balmy locust]

....I found what my power issue was. I was running power into/out of a coal station, but, the cable going into it was running THROUGH a bio burner (which I had since switched off)

I don't know why that is a problem, but it was.

[gritty sleet]

The solution is to just place the poles first in your preferred type, then wire them up.

[split pewter]

praying for satisfactory to go on sale

[flat zinc]

unfortunately so

[gritty sleet]

You just missed the summer sale by like two weeks

And the logistics game sale by a week

[split pewter]

i know i didnt get notified

[balmy locust]

Keep an eye on www.isthereanydeal.com ? Good website to see when games go on sale.

[limpid cairn]

Does any1 know the file path where blueprints are stored in satisfactory ?

[twilit escarp]

dammm, feeling kinda tired already, and havent even connected the fuel power plant #design-and-architecture message

[split pewter]

nice

[sick dragon]

I have completed the 60 refiner hor building... time to move to the ne- oh shi it's midnight

[pseudo onyx]

what do those little lines mean when you open a production building? next to energy required and time

[sick dragon]

What little lines?

[pseudo onyx]

can i dm you a screenshot? i cant post photos here

[sick dragon]

Noone can. Use #screenshots

Thats your efficiency

The machine is running at 50% efficiency. Either the output isn't being used fast enough, or the input is not enough to keep it going at 100%

[pseudo onyx]

what does a bad number entail / how do i make it better

thank you so much!

[tiny sigil]

Its efficiency

How much percent of the time your machine is working

[sick dragon]

Feed it exactly what it needs and make sure it's output gets used.

So if something makes 30 iron ingots out of 30 iron ore a minute, you need to feed it 30 iron ore a minute and something needs to use those 30 ingots a minute

[pseudo onyx]

both of you are extremely helpful. thanks!

[wicked nacelle]

caring about how much time a machine is running is drastically overrated. caring about how much you're making is much more interesting. I love over producing and under consuming. it means that when something goes wrong your system catches up quickly. idle machines cost 0.1mw each. that's a pittance. my max cons is 2x my steady state.

[stiff ibex]

it matters super late game, i liked to overproduce but now i need to utilize every single node at 100% so im having to rebuild stuff

[wicked nacelle]

manifolds will autobalance their consumption. It's fine to oversubscribe raw resource nodes

also, are you actually going for 480M points/m? I do half that and it's fine

[stiff ibex]

i dont care about points at all

im going for max power possible

i havent made a bwd in like 300 hours in my save lol

[wicked nacelle]

again fine to overproduce and underconsume.

it will reach equilibrium

[stiff ibex]

in the vast majority of scenarios yeah i agree

[wicked nacelle]

no, it will back up and reach equilibrium

[stiff ibex]

that back up is the problem

having to track down every node ive used and measure throughput and combine those into the last bit of resources i need is just extra work i coudlve avoided by making sure machines operated at exact efficiency

[wicked nacelle]

it's not avoided work it's just doing the same work at a different time. imagine you build too many uranium fuel manufacturers? that doesn't harm your ability to make maximum power.

you can make the exact same number. it just means if you get stopped up and end up with a surplus because you didn't eat enough earlier that you'll burn through it

[stiff ibex]

but if im overproducing uranium cells at that factory and later i end up running out of uranium cells for 100% production, the rest are in overflow at that factory

[wicked nacelle]

let's say I have a train sation capable of receiving 2000 uranium/m but I build manufacturers capable of processing 3000/m. I'll still get exactly 2000/m worth of uranium fuel rods. And if I ever fall behind then I'll burn through the excess and then get back to handling 2000/m. that's all I'm saying and it doesn't require any fancy planning. overrsubscribingn resources nodes figures itself out. if some other resource requirement is under provided, then the uranium will back up and something else on that oversubscribed node will pick up the slack. Of course you can't do it completely wrong and not having nything that can handle the rates as it tries to reach equilibrium or your node production will back up

[stiff ibex]

oh i didnt realize thats what you meant

i completely agree i understand now

people worry too much about fluctuations on power graphs when it doesnt really matter

[upbeat charm]

How do you make blue ring appears when making pump?

[stiff ibex]

it should automatically appear in the direction the pump is facing

[wicked nacelle]

Have a previous pump on the same pipe

Some people say to put your pump just before the blue ring.

Snap point

[upbeat charm]

Maybe I build the coal plant too close that I didn't notice

[wicked nacelle]

Just go and check the last pump and see if it complains about headlift

If it doesn’t then there’s no blue ring

[stiff ibex]

make sure theyre powered too lol

occams razor

[wicked nacelle]

That’s how I shave

I’m just trying my

[stiff ibex]

factory thats producing

ballistic warp drives

and I

[fathom shuttle]

I’m 2 belts away from BWD

[wicked nacelle]

Very sexy

[fathom shuttle]

Actually I lied it was 3

Now it’s 1, thermal propulsion rockets left

Gonna have to unlock the spatial energy regulation first

[wicked nacelle]

Tease

[fathom shuttle]

BWD production is done let’s goo

[visual pulsar]

I didn’t realize that satisfactory is able to be wishlisted on ps5 till I looked it up and immediately wishlisted!

[wicked nacelle]

BWD production is (almost) never done!

[ivory condor]

Yeah satisfactory is coming to ps5👀

[stray loom]

Finally settled on a plan for this save after several hours of noodling my brain on satisfactory tools and in the modeler. Now I can enjoy the fun part and actually work to bring this to life

[winged walrus]

I decided to do all math without satis tools or calculator

Cuz that's funnier

And I'm enough smort for this ^^

[tawny night]

Smert

[copper raft]

<@&370483737957236737> Has there ever been discussion or consideration for rebalancing ficsonium/ionized fuel? They're very inefficient resource/power wise compared to just uranium fuel rods or rocket fuel

[dense violet]

pretty sure that's the point

[left totem]

fisconium technically gets rid of the waste and ionized fuel bottles are powerful

[dense violet]

also gets rid of power shard overflow

to sink

[ivory condor]

While I would agree they are intentionally bad. I mean surely making them as bad as they are just wasn't by mistake, still won't diminish my disappointment with them though.

[dense violet]

yeah it's the price you pay for being unable to stop yourself from buring plutonium. Or because you just like the system

[ivory condor]

And those I learned some prices just aren't worth paying🙃

[dense violet]

like everything else, it's a choice xD

[ivory condor]

I chose not to spend all of the resources my world has just to recycle some more plutonium waste, definitely🙃

Give me another map of the same resources and it might be more worth it but until then....

[frail sleet]

Sinking plutonium rods also gets rid of the waste - but it does it more cheaply, with less complexity, with fewer machines and with less tech. There's a pretty clear imbalance at the moment.

unlike packaged ionized fuel being king for vehicles and jetpack, ficsonium does nothing that uranium doesn't do better

[still arch]

any suggestion for pipe that blocking the way?

[dense violet]

entirely depends on the layout. Do some overhead shots of what you're doing in #math-and-meta

[still arch]

thank you

it's actually very simple, i got the answer after i press the enter button xD so i need to adjust the pipeline support height

[winged walrus]

would be funnier if photo mode required an item

like a camera

more people would notice and use the cool photo mode

omfg i love foundries so much

[limpid cairn]

Wait till you realise that the output exit is not in the middle of a structure and manifolds look ugly 😔

[winged walrus]

manifolds are always ugly

maybe

just got a full industrial container of compooters

heavy modular frames 😨

[limpid cairn]

no

[winged walrus]

i've been procrastinating for few days

[winged walrus]

ok

[limpid cairn]

the only thing thats pretty are the manifolds in my noodle factory

[winged walrus]

ok

[green fiber]

that doesnt mean manifolds are beatiful on their own it just means your factories are sub-par

[limpid cairn]

my factory works, thats all what matters

[south elm]

Embrace clipping. Some mind find it heresy but if your factory works but is an eyesore, bury it deep in concrete foundations.

Boxing all of factories that don't look as good as they should yet are important is a good temporary solution if you don't want to redo all of it, and remeber kids, ain't nothing more permanent that a temporary solution

[winged walrus]

my head is aching but i want heavy modular frames

i'll have to automate this crap

[south elm]

Use alts for heavy modular frames especially steel screws so that a single conveyor of screws feeds a single manufacturer and stitched plates for real

Also a lot of people say alt for heavy modular frame is goated but I don't mind screws all that much

[limpid cairn]

#screenshots message rate the factory guys (at least 75% ish of it)

[winged walrus]

i don't have such alt recipes

only flexible frame and it's pretty op

[limpid cairn]

screws are horrible

legit if you can do not use screws

[south elm]

They are not that bad

[winged walrus]

they are not that bad

[limpid cairn]

they are THAT bad

[south elm]

You just have to be smart about them

[winged walrus]

why your base is pink lmao

[limpid cairn]

i like pink

[south elm]

You never merge and split screw conveyors since you'll just clog even mk6 belts pretty easily and you don't center the production of screws just make them next to the machine that needs them and with these two rules screws become much easier to handle

[winged walrus]

i found out about the building coloring thing only after oil

[limpid cairn]

dont you have to research the coloring ?

[dense violet]

That’s a ‘git Gud’ issue

[south elm]

Imagine skill gatekeeping satisfactory. Be better than that, it's not darksouls

[limpid cairn]

maybe its because theres a total of 1 recipe that need screws in my factory

[south elm]

The fun is to learn we all struggled with screws at some point

[winged walrus]

what's wrong with them?!

[south elm]

With screws?

[winged walrus]

yeah

[rigid adder]

Anybody knows how satisfactory handles rounding in machines?
Which numbers actually represent what is happpening and which are approximation?
I have machine setup for 237.037% that turns 44.444 + 88.889 items into 13.333 items with production rate of 13.333

[limpid cairn]

they clog up everything

[rigid adder]

obviously these numbers don't add up, so some of them are real whle other are aproximation. I want to know who is the boss here

[winged walrus]

never happened to me

[south elm]

Quantity needed for modular frames is much larger than conveyor belts can manage so they are hard to handle, clog stuff and can't be manifolded to a single line

[south elm]

Yeah you haven't build a heavy modular frame yet

I'll show you something

[dense violet]

Make the screws next to where they are consumed

[south elm]

#screenshots

[limpid cairn]

already did that

[rigid adder]

DONT MAKE

[limpid cairn]

still i hate screws

[rigid adder]

why do you want to make them even?

Yes, you can work around it. but why

[south elm]

all those lines of screws in my screenshots feed just 10 manufactures now imagine 50

[rigid adder]

Am I the only one who never struggled with screws?

[limpid cairn]

automating reinforced iron plates (yes we know you can make them with rubber and steel rods)

[south elm]

well cuz frames are needed to progress in the game, they are the most challenging part to create by design

[rigid adder]

As I have never build anythiong with them xdd

[winged walrus]

same

[limpid cairn]

no

exact same reason

[rigid adder]

I can uinderstand reinf plates

they are early

but I have never made other stuff that requires screws by default

[south elm]

you are aware that a single manufacturer that makes heavy modular frames without overclocking eats 240 screws a minute, right?

[winged walrus]

people are just bad at math and can't understand that their mk4 conveyor can't move more than 480 per minute

[dense violet]

Yes

I’m they are very easy to manage

[limpid cairn]

2,5 constructors that make screws

for 1 heavy modular frame

[winged walrus]

hi they are very easy to manage

[rigid adder]

Why do you do that to yourself

[limpid cairn]

if you upscale that to like 10 per min you consume 2400 screws per minute which you have to transfer via singular belts which is super cost inefficient

[south elm]

that makes 25 constructors and atleast 13 mk4 conveyor belts if you want to create 20 a minute

[dense violet]

You make them right before they are consumed

Steel screw alt makes it brains less

[winged walrus]

i have nearly 13.5 constructors for 7.5 heavy modular frames

[limpid cairn]

i dont i have an alternate recipe that needs

• steal pipes
• the white ish beams
• concrete
• modular frames

[south elm]

just unlock it then harddrive hunting is easy

[rigid adder]

then why do you say screws are easy to manage if you dont manage them

[sterile blade]

The clock is the most precise number displayed. The input/output numbers round a bit of decimals that are actually used internally for calculations (4 decimals on the clock). So, if you're unsure, you can always math "base number times clock" to check how precise your numbers are.
Still, with this level of clocking precision, that leads to having maximum one more or less items every few tens of hours per machine... Not a lot ^^

[south elm]

well that being said i myself use basic recepie for heavy modular frame

[limpid cairn]

i never said theyre easy to manage

[rigid adder]

sorry other dude said that*

[south elm]

i personally enjoy large number of belts and all those screws flying by but saying they are easy to manage is a flatout lie by people that enjoy feeling better than others in video games which is very sad

especially when it comes to sandboxes

[rigid adder]

thanks. And is clock trueth or also aproximation? For example if I want my machine to work at 1/3 officiency, slock will say 33.3333% It it really 33.3333% or (33+1/3)%?

I know that doesn;'t matter*

[sterile blade]

The clock rounds to the 4th decimal. That's the precision limit ^^
So 33.3333%

[dense violet]

Literally just explained how to manage them

[rigid adder]

Mostly these are people who enver built past tier 1

[limpid cairn]

we should put a sign on screws saying AVOID ITEM IF POSSIBLE or something

[sterile blade]

I mean... It can matter, but it requires very delicate/precise setup to make any meaningful difference xD

[rigid adder]

you only pointed to recipe that creates them. And making them is not as issue even with basic recipe, since there is a shitload of iron

[sterile blade]

You could do that for every item that stacks at 500 and isn't concrete ^^
They're all required at pretty high speeds (thus the stack size)

[rigid adder]

you still need to get them and have space for that

which is cringe.
And if you are pointing to alternative recipies for screws why not pick alt recipe for thing that want screws?

[rigid adder]

Thats not really true. You can't skip wire/quickwire.

[south elm]

well quickwire is also annoying when we are talking highspeed connectors

[rigid adder]

And recipies with them at least save you a bunch of otyher resources. Advantage that scre recipes don't have

[south elm]

210 a minute is quite a number as well

[winged walrus]

omg i hate quickwire

i need too much of it in recipes

[rigid adder]

I don't know. I had a blast making my 7.2k quickwire factory

[south elm]

now my issue with quickwire is that catherium is scarse

[rigid adder]

with 5 trains for moving it around

[winged walrus]

why not just put more bogeys

[rigid adder]

it isn't if you mix it with copper and water

2 pure nodes of cat + copper + water = 7200 quick

[winged walrus]

cat ore lmao

i love cats

[rigid adder]

we can tell

[south elm]

yeah but my issue is not the amount, i can make thousands of quickwire or whatever but i dont like relaying on nodes that are scarse the best place for catherium is a goddamn cave

[dense violet]

I’m dont think you read my comment at all

-make the screws right before the are consumed at the machine

That’s it, there a recipe that makes it even simpler

[south elm]

which is why im never creating nuclear powerplant uranium nodes are in such stupid places man

[rigid adder]

what do you mean? I've never took caterium from a cave

[south elm]

i mean that there arent that much catherium nodes in the map

[rigid adder]

I have read it and even answered it
"this doen't fix issue with taking a lot of space and moving it"

[south elm]

if i could i would only use copper, iron and limestone whole game

[winged walrus]

if your assembler or the big 4 input thing requires 200 screws per minute - under / overclock your machines so they will make 200 screws per minute

why do yall say they clog?

[rigid adder]

but you realisticly need like 3 for the game

[south elm]

imagine getting to automate foliage harvest so that biocoal actually becomes useful 🥲

[winged walrus]

there is more than enough of them in map

[south elm]

i disagree i want every node of every resource on every square kilometer idc

[rigid adder]

I am using half of map for my stuff

[dense violet]

It doesn’t take up any Space with the alt. Absolutely not reading anything

[rigid adder]

w/ever you say. Can't argue with litteral wrong statements

[dense violet]

I’ve made incredibly compact modular frame systems with bolted plate and frames so possibly you don’t know what you’re talking about

[limpid cairn]

send em over

[south elm]

damn you are so good at this chill sandbox game man shoutout to you we could never quite an achievment

[rigid adder]

If it takes less space then my FUSED modular fram factory, I will agree to be wrong

[rigid adder]

that's unfair. If he really can make compact shit with screws, thats cool AND he wins arguement with me. It's not like he is just flexing out of blue

[green fiber]

the alt recipe makes 260/min screws from a single constructor and all it takes is a tiny amount of steel

[south elm]

he is talking about skill diff in satisfactory which i personally hate with burning passion

[rigid adder]

I think skill diff is cool

I admire people who can build better factories then myself

albeit that like 99% of people

[green fiber]

theres skill diff with designing factories and theres skill diff with architecture / decoration
entirely different skillsets though

[rigid adder]

to make a good factory you need both

so we can see them as one skill - building factory

[green fiber]

a good factory is one that is efficient
a good looking factory is something else

[rigid adder]

but they are absolutly 2 different things

efficient factory is one that is efficient

I can make 2 factories - one with strict lines, foundations and clean design.
Another with intersapting belts, inside the forest e.t.c.

They will have identical yeild, and worse looking one will be more efficient, since it takes less space

But I think we all agree, nobody would call it "better"

so good fact = goodlooking+efficient

[fathom shuttle]

This can’t be real dawg

I’m 4 biochemical sculptures short

I’ll just roll back to an earlier save

[dense violet]

send some iron and steel into this baby and it spits out bolted frames https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1393068256214122637/1393093916668198922/image.png?ex=68903dd0&is=688eec50&hm=de63b7238895249efcb6e505368e241438ab134aa36479d9f7cc11729ec826ee&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[rigid adder]

damn thats good

[dense violet]

I had to retool it for 1.0 since i had to use a different plate recipe, but it's almost 10 mod frames pm from this?

[rigid adder]

w8, thats modular frames

I thought we were talking about black

[dense violet]

we were talking about screws in general.
this uses bolted plates and bolted frames.
both screw heavy recipes

[rigid adder]

heavy modular frame*

frames are not scres heavy

[dense violet]

You can do similar with it.
though with that recipe I do prefer the encased one

[rigid adder]

they don't even require screws

they are made of reinf plates and rods

[dense violet]

!wikisearch bolted_frame

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=bolted_frame

[rigid adder]

heavy frames on the other hand want 240 scres

[dense violet]

look at the screw recipe.

same with the Bolted Iron Plate alt.
uses lots of screws, and is very very convenient and compact

[rigid adder]

LOL

[dense violet]

15 RIPs from one machine vs 5

[rigid adder]

wait a sec. 3 reinf + 56 scres
default is 3 reinf + 12 rods. 12 rods are 48 screws. It's just worse

[dense violet]

it's compact. Which is a great trade off for a handful of screws

and I seem to recall a bunch of people bitching about it taking up so much space

Don't know who those people were really.

[rigid adder]

Well, that was I

But I was talking about reinf frames

ofc T1 items will not take any space

[dense violet]

use them in conjunction with other screw recipes.
that's usually teh trade off with screw recipes. Compact

[rigid adder]

And I still said thats cool design*

[dense violet]

and you do need modular frames to make Heavy Frames

[rigid adder]

whats "teh"?

[dense violet]

the*

[rigid adder]

I have a question

You are making screws of steel right?

[dense violet]

steel beams

[limpid cairn]

any overcloaking / undercloaking needed?

[dense violet]

lots of clocking changes. But that's pretty normal for compact designs

I could clock it less and output less too,

I think everything is 200+% clocked in there

[rigid adder]

Wouldn't it be even more compact (and simple) to use steeled frame? Potentially with Iron Pipe

Then whole blueprint only need iron as input

no need to get coal

[dense violet]

bolted frame outputs almost 2x as fast per machine

[rigid adder]

And that only a bit more input mats

[dense violet]

Iron pipe is a bit of a trap unless you just have ... buckets of iron laying around.

[rigid adder]

well, thats actually true

[dense violet]

using a handful of extra screws is nothing compared to how much Iron pipe chews through iron

[rigid adder]

But is it overslockable?
i didn't do the math, but maybe there is more room for clocking in other design

[dense violet]

Not sure what you mean by 'is it overclockable' ?

[rigid adder]

I don't think chewing through iron is an issue. You have alot of iron on the game

[rigid adder]

you saidd you design uses some over/underclocked machines. So it can only be spedup by 2.5/max_overclock

[dense violet]

you do but ... it's 5 iron per pipe vs probably 1.5 iron and a bit of coal per pipe

[dense violet]

well I could clock it to 100% ish too if I wanted? I just wanted to make as much from as little space

it doesn't have to be clocked at 200% +

personally I just OC basically everything. I like compact factories

[fathom shuttle]

Steeled frame is pretty good

If you want to do iron pipe then I recommend using the pure iron recipe for a lot of iron

[rigid adder]

how do you have problems with iron

@dense violet thats pretty good, ngl. But I personally prefer not getting coal for all that.

[dense violet]

iron is very often next to coal.
and iron pipe uses 5x as much iron as the base recipe with Solid Steel. Coal is extremely easy to get

and this way I can output 5x as many frames with a drop of coal

I, personally, think iron is a trash resource that should be consumed like water and tossed away
and I think Iron Pipe uses too much iron xD

Copper Alloy? yeah drown that recipe in Iron. Use it all up. Iron Pipe? Pass

[umbral echo]

Oh wow I have not played this game in a long time

[fathom shuttle]

I’m about to save the day guys

[hasty cradle]

Didnt you start like 2 weeks ago?

[umbral echo]

And my laptop can barely even run this game to begin with

Now it cannot at all

[slender quest]

Hmmm, did you try console commands to reduce render distance and LODs?

[umbral echo]

No, but at this point I think my laptop is so garbage that will
Not help

[slender quest]

You should try it!

I have a bad GPU, and this stuff helps.

[umbral echo]

Ok, I’ll reinstall the game and try it

But my internet is abysmal

[slender quest]

There's Steam guide for Satisfactory - Big Optimization Guide. A few commands there might be outdated, but most still work, and you can add the ones you like the most into Engine.ini.

And it has link for Potato Mode, mostly for inspiration, but I found some LOD stuff there too.

[limpid cairn]

how do you open the console btw?

[slender quest]

` key (~ to the left from 1)

[fathom shuttle]

#screenshots message easily one of the best game I’ve played man

First one I 100%’d
Just amazing

[slender quest]

Congrats!

[limpid cairn]

im not using an english keyboard its located somewhere else but thanks

[slender quest]

One of my friends mentioned ё key.

[slender quest]

So far i finished Phase 4 before release, now slowly getting through story, on my way to phase 5.

[limpid cairn]

its next to my backspace (german keyboard)

[fathom shuttle]

Yea it’s really fun to finally reach the conclusion of the story

And the final send off is very satisfactory

[limpid cairn]

the game has a story?

i thought we are just landing on a random ass planet and have to build a space lift or something for ficsit

[fathom shuttle]

That’s the story lol

[slender quest]

Check this out, hopefully something helps.
https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Debug_console#Accessing

[fathom shuttle]

You should read and listen to the messages ADA says

[limpid cairn]

the only messages im listening to are the mam ones

[slender quest]

That's good too!
(List of the ones she already showed you can be found in the Codex)

[fathom shuttle]

I beat the game with ~~ 216GW power consumption

[slender quest]

I'm aiming for 1/3 of that, we'll see how it goes.

[fathom shuttle]

Just don’t build big lol

I have more like 100 particle accelerators in my world rn

[slender quest]

Exactly what I do, my goal is kinda tiny plan of 5-5-1.28-1.

[fathom shuttle]

Wdym?

Ballistic warp drives?

[slender quest]

5 pastas per minute
5 red printers
1.28 servers
1 warp drive

[fathom shuttle]

Oh lol

So you probably don’t need to automated the biochemical sculptures and AI expansion servers

They’re 100% space elevator parts

[slender quest]

I will, that's my goal.

[fathom shuttle]

The only thing you might want to increase is the ballistic warp drives

You can sink them for a lot of points

[fathom shuttle]

I see

[sinful carbon]

@vagrant ivy how the hell did you manage to get more consumption than max consumption

[hasty cradle]

Endgame machines are weird

When you fully overclock+ sloop the last machine if yk yk the power can fluctuate between 6 gw and 26 gw

[sinful carbon]

im far from that point of the game lol

[hasty cradle]

Normal lategame stuff

[bright helm]

Why do half of my signs just turn red?

I dont have enough power or what?

Nevermind I fixed it.

[round robin]

is there a channel for blueprints or something

[dense violet]

there's no file sharing on the server

[sinful carbon]

how many HMF do people usually make in the first factory for it

[limpid cairn]

is it worth automating nuclear power?

or should i just stick to fuel power (will be using t2 fuel )

[limpid cairn]

i have 4 per min atm and it works fine

[sinful carbon]

yea i just figured ill do that aswell because im kinda getting limited by only 480/min belt

[cedar portal]

If you enjoy building and automating forr the fun of planning and making it, go for it. If all you care about is power, fuel is fine.

[sinful carbon]

maybe ill just sloop the manufacturer so i get 8

probably gonna take like 600mw or something but eh

[limpid cairn]

its not because of automating or something im just worried ebcause of nuclear waste

[cedar portal]

You can turn uranium wwastee into plutonium rods and sink theem, no waste.

[limpid cairn]

dont i have to transfer them off to a random island so they dont contain my entire game with radioactive shit

[noble sand]

Late game shenanigans

[bright helm]

My game just crashed but autosave saved my butt

It saved the game 12 seconds before my game crashed

[cedar portal]

Nope. Radation is pretty short range. Myentire nuclear proddduction facility is highly radiactive but all I have to do is run for 20 seconds and I'm safe again.

[limpid cairn]

auto saver is indeed such a life saver

[cedar portal]

@limpid cairn You make uranium rods, and burn them in a reactor to produce uranium waste. Then turn uranium waste into plutonium fuel rods. Then you just send those rods to th awsome sink and they are gone. If you automate filters and put them into the dimensional depot you can spend hours next to a pile or uranium and be fine, just grab a stack of filters every now and then when you get low.

[limpid cairn]

wait i thought you cant put radioaktiv waste or rods or whatever intot he awesome sink

i might actually go for uranium now

[cedar portal]

You can't put byproducts into the sink, but plutonium rods are an exception, those can be sunk,

[limpid cairn]

okay thanks

[dreamy bane]

how many carts can i add to to my train max while keep it running at a resonable speed

[vague sparrow]

Good aafternoon

[shut garden]

Not 100% sure but I think it was 3 or 4 because uphills become a problem if more get added.

[dreamy bane]

alright

[dense violet]

depends how steep your ramps are. 1 engine can generally do 4 full cars up a 2m ramp

[vague sparrow]

Just foundd out I have more signs than foundations in my world lol

15.287 foundations aand 18067 signs 😛

[exotic pilot]

WHATS UP CHAT

[dreamy bane]

lol how do u check the no. of things u have placed?

[shut garden]

Counting one by one will take a while in this case lol

[dreamy bane]

efficiency

[exotic pilot]

crazy

just figured out theres a satisfactory discord channel

[willow dawn]

You can use the delete tool to filter and select the machines, in the top it will say how many are selected

[elder valley]

chat im beginning my first time playing satisfactory

[prime jasper]

Is biofuel limited in a world? There is a finite amount of it? I am just curious because i find it funny that unlike in real life, the fossil fuel seems to be infinite and the biofuel is finite.

[limpid cairn]

theres infinite amount of biofuel dw

[cedar portal]

It's technically limited, although there is so much you would have a very hard time depleting the map of plants.

[prime jasper]

Yeah ok that was what i was expecting

[limpid cairn]

you can technically kill enemies and process them into biofuel

especially with sommersloops you get a shit ton

[prime jasper]

oh yes i forgot about that

[cedar portal]

Ah right, I always forget about that

[prime jasper]

so it does is renewable even if the conversion rate is painful xD

[limpid cairn]

literally done that to finance my biofuel to generate energy lol

[exotic pilot]

also lizard doggos give biofuel

[cedar portal]

I think with loops 1 alien part can be turned into 300 liquid biofueel

So... 1 alien part should be able to fuel a biomass burner for 2 hours. Thats actually not bad.

[vague sparrow]

You can upload your saave to satisfactory calculator

It shows aall your buildings and all of the items you have or have not colected like slugs, spheres etc.

[limpid cairn]

did you calculate sloops?

[cedar portal]

Yes, slooping everything

Well, not packaging it since you can't sloop that

[dreamy bane]

can u link the calc ur using?

also do other ppl encounter this bug where ive destroyed the gas releasing things but i can still see the gas? it doesnt hurt or anything its still just visually there for some reason

[cedar portal]

Actually I think i wwas too low. I didn't use a calculator, just did the math by hand.

1 Remains -> 2 Protien -> 400 Biomass -> 400 Solid Biofuel -> 533 Liquid Biofuel

533/2.4/60 = 3.7 hours

Correct me if I made another misstake in tthere anywhere 😄

[elfin pasture]

how can i build blueprints that i saved in a oder map?

i mean like ive build the print on a creative map, but i wanna place it on my normal map without any cheats

[prime jasper]

Is that normal if my rail junction texture fight?

[limpid cairn]

why wont they allow us to dupe ;(

[cedar portal]

If you could sloop packaging or unpackaging you could dduplicate 1 can of anything into an infinite supply.

[limpid cairn]

ik dw

would been funny tbh

[cedar portal]

I just want to sloop my sloops

[bright helm]

Soon my first 100 hours in Satisfactory🎉

[limpid cairn]

same

[sterile blade]

You can with the right alt recipes
Though, in the case of Wire and Quickwire specifically, you often end up swapping one for the other

[cedar portal]

LOL, slooping a 250% machine making biomass from alien protien outputs 7,500 items/min. I need a Mk 8 belt for that I think...

[rigid adder]

Some things can't be done without wires
AI Limiter
HS Connector
CIrcuit board can, but alt recipies require similar amount
Computer can be done with oscilators but they require similar amount of quickwire

I've looked first 4 on wiki and they all wond work. Won't check further

[rocky sierra]

how should i split aluminum ingots into casings and sheets?

equal is good or more sheets?

[rigid adder]

depending on your plans

equal is doos enough, but USUALLY people use more casings

[sterile blade]

I don't quite understand why you focus on the specific of "can't always avoid using it", but yeah, you can't always avoid using all 500-stackers... The premise was "AVOID IF YOU CAN!" 😅

[rigid adder]

My point was that statement is not true, since you shouldn't avoid any 500 stackers except for screws

Avoiding screws make your life easier. Not becaus screws are 500, but because of multyple factors:
screws are replacable
alt recipies are better. screws often take a lot of beltspace

[sterile blade]

There's plenty of reasons to prefer avoiding them, if one doesn't like dealing with high-throughput items (like the people in the prior discussion). Aside from Concrete, they're all required in numbers similar to Screws

The fact that they stack in 500 is just to help manage the high-throughput involved with those items (imagine how many trains you'd need to move a Quickwire load if it stacked in 100s vs 500s)

[bright helm]

What is the best fuel for jetpack?

[hard ivy]

Packaged Liquid Biofuel

[unkempt blade]

I think I'm going to use extra screws whenever possible next save because I don't like playing games on baby mode

[limpid cairn]

early game its liquid biofuel but later its rocket fuel or ionized fuel

[unkempt blade]

with blueprints there's really no reason not to give each manufacturer its own little screw constructor or whatever

[hard ivy]

The beltspace issue can be solved by direct insertion, but yeah, there are very few benefits for using screws, which is not true for other items which are also a PITA to move

[limpid cairn]

dont even use screws thats the better idea

[rigid adder]

That is simply not true.
all screw resipies are in trupple digits (sxcept reinf iron plates) and for quickwire there is only 1 recipe in tripple digits. Items max at 160 and 390 respectively. Difference between median screw throughput and quickwire throughput is way higher then between quickwire and alumun casing for example.
For regular wire there isn't even one tripple digit recipe. it's avg 40 or smth
@sterile blade

[unkempt blade]

hive mind nonsense, use the recipes that you find fun 😄

[limpid cairn]

i find everything fun that doesnt involve screws

[hard ivy]

Wasting both space, time and resources doesn't sound fun to me

[unkempt blade]

oh have you used up all of your space and resources? that's impressive

[rigid adder]

So basicly wire/quickwire and scres` throughput are not comparable at all

even though they are both 500 stack

Wire and quickwire are used in insane quantities only for buildgun

[unkempt blade]

here I was thinking the map was so big and full of resources nodes that a normal playthrough could never use them all

[rigid adder]

So before you had external storage you had to bring that shit with you and that would be ass with train stations costing 500

[rigid adder]

I love when my unlimited space factory goes so far that I start building ove other resource nodes

That very frerquent problem

so yes, space is limited

[winged walrus]

i forgot why people hate screws

[dense violet]

build up

[unkempt blade]

But if we're stressing over the limit that means the person has used all of the space. Right?

[rigid adder]

thats not pretty

I want to be able to see all my shit at once

but thats only a preference

[dense violet]

giant circuit boards are?

[rigid adder]

what

[hard ivy]

More space = it takes more time and effort to fill that space.
Stop being deliberately obtuse

[opaque turret]

when do we get throughput monitors for conveyor lifts

[dense violet]

when they become less pointless than the throughput monitors that already exist.
which technically would be very easy

[hard ivy]

Ask on the QA site and maybe we'll get them next year 🙃

[rigid adder]

awewome shop

[unkempt blade]

sounds like someone needs to spend more time with the blueprinter and less time worrying about effort

[opaque turret]

😄

[hard ivy]

It's still more blueprints to build???

[torn furnace]

seting up my first aluminum factory, i have miners with 600 coal and 600 bauxite , they can't output more than 480 since i only have MK4 belts.
i have made 5 refinery to make Silice and Alumine. turning off 1 of them.
i did the same for aluminum scraps (5 with 1 turned off).

my brain just frys with water put back into the system, how many pumps shoud i have total for the system and never stop production (with the 5/4 refinery.

[rigid adder]

don't argue with him. he's clearly ragebiting

[dense violet]

keep the fresh and waste water split, don't feed them back in

[unkempt blade]

I'm just rejecting all the screw hatred and goal post moving 😉

[dense violet]

like this #1347741162018046083 message

blue is fresh , red is waste

[rigid adder]

calc is very easy. (number_of_ref * ref_input - number_of_ref * ref_output)/120

[torn furnace]

more like how much fesh water do i need

[dense violet]

figure out the total amoutn of water the solution needs, then subtract the waste output,

[unkempt blade]

Because the reality is the map has more space and resources than your computer is likely to let you use in a single save so it's really just about what playstyle is fun not about "efficiency" or "running out of space or resources" or whatever

[dense violet]

yeah don't argue with the people saying space is finite or screws are 'bad', it's pointless and you can't educate people who don't want it

[rigid adder]

option 2:
buy som ealuminum for tickets and make better production#screenshots message

basic recipies are very difficult

[dense violet]

?? all the recipes have fluid byproduct

[rigid adder]

so?

[dense violet]

they'll have the same problem they have now. It's not a solution

[torn furnace]

is just my Pea brain isn't made for that much back to back math.

with all other factory i have so far a SINK is enough to keep going but there is no SINK for liquids, making aluminum a lot harder cause i have to use it all

[unkempt blade]

I like to use wet concrete or pure [metal] recipes when I need to get rid of output water but you can also recycle it back into earlier steps for alu stuff

[torn furnace]

or i could make a tower of like 900 tanks but thats stupid

[dense violet]

it's very easy

[dense violet]

go into #math-and-meta

I'll take you through it

[onyx siren]

you can write in your notes in game (to keep track of inputs outputs), and you can press 'n' on keyboard to open a search menu that also functions as a calculator

[prime jasper]

Anyone have some advice to build rails on slopped fondations? I usually suspend my rails into the air but i wish to build some on slopped foundations rn and it is clipping at different places.

[torn furnace]

ok

[dense violet]

build foundations the whole way up

[dense violet]

in general, you should have a leading line of foundations you put your rail on to keep them tidy, you can delete them after

[prime jasper]

I don't see how it is supposed to solve my problem

they are already on foundations

[dense violet]

post some images of what you're tryign to do exactly in #design-and-architecture

[vague sparrow]

@rigid adder #screenshots message How did you get your train ti spiral so nicely? is it big and small pillar frames for measurement?

[rigid adder]

I can send you blueprint

[sterile blade]

Whatever is close to triple digit is worth some "special care" in logistics imo ^^ (above 80/min or so). Ofc, there's more and less extreme scenarios, but overall I think it's fair to say that 500-stackers need some care (ie: using some "special" designs easily allow some logistic benefits, "screw Constructor behind Assembler/manufacturer" being a classic example)

[vague sparrow]

Alright

[rigid adder]

but basicely for any spical you make central pillar, go out X and up N every rotation

closest loot would be 3 out, 2.5 up iirc

[dense violet]

it's very easy, you just keep making 90 degree turns on foundation ramps.

there's many videos online about it

[dense violet]

Well? I can't ping you there because of your name

[vague sparrow]

I see, I have been going way to far out with my foundations

[sterile blade]

I think this has been addressed once... You could try looking for the info in the stream archives on YT (they save snippets for each question, making them searchable)

[vague sparrow]

I can probably makea bp for myself, I think I've got the idea thanks guys

[prime jasper]

I think i found a reddit post explaining how to do it

[willow birch]

Quick question: if a drone uses uranium rods, does it hold onto nuclear waste, or doesn’t produce any waste like other fuel types?

[slender quest]

No waste. Transport doesn't generate it, only power plants do.

[unkempt blade]

I don't actually know the answer but I'm imagining it works like how birds treat my car when I park under a tree

[hard ivy]

Unless burned in a reactor, uranium and plutonium rods produce no waste

[slender quest]

Downside: the more nuclear fuel transport has, the spicier (and bigger) the radiation zone around it gets.

[willow birch]

Yeah I was reading an article on one piece flow to minimize radiation

[hard ivy]

Eh, imo putting in effort to minimize radiation is pointless. Just automate filters, you'll need them anyway

[placid stirrup]

The one piece is real

[sterile blade]

It will become a dangerous hazard, as it'll drop Nuclear Waste barrels from the air

[torn furnace]

yeah i wase looking at my current work XD

[willow birch]

I feel like it’s worth the challenge to do that considering that’s what real manufacturing does haha

[vague sparrow]

I was wondering, is there a point to making more than 200m3 p/m of rocket fuel with 600m3 pipes, let's say I am producing 675p/m, there is no way that it can all be used through a single mk2 pipe right? even if consumption at the end would be 675, because of the flow rate

[unkempt blade]

Radiation was a lot scarier before multiple equipment slots. Filters last a long time so the main downside was always taking off my hoverpack and putting on my rad suit

[sterile blade]

"One piece flow"?

[vague sparrow]

wait, but you can haz suit and hoverpack together though? or was this in an earlier update?

[unkempt blade]

you can now but that was introduced towards the end of early access

[hard ivy]

Yeah, hazmat is body, hoverpack is back

[vague sparrow]

Ohh I see

[hard ivy]

Only hoverpack and jetpack are mutually exclusive

[vague sparrow]

yeah

[rigid adder]

I disgree. Being tripple is only bad relative to belts. and only tripple for qiuck is needed on T5 belts. Also 150 is barely tripple

but anyways I got your point. I diasgree. Don't see this agruement going anywhere further.

[sterile blade]

Back in my days making the factory Cart-friendly meant being able to travel faster than on foot with the Hazmat Suit on

[unkempt blade]

And we had to drive the cart uphill both ways! Kids today don't know how good they have it with elevators 😆

[rigid adder]

kids today don't know how good they have it with zoop mode

[vague sparrow]

Oh I can imagine.... idk what I'd do if I had to handplace the windows on my tower >.<

@stray loom #screenshots message it has to be the copper for pasta, that's always fun

[fathom shuttle]

Use copper alloy ingot

[hard ivy]

I don't even use zoop much anymore. It's all BPs

[prime jasper]

I am running out of concrete too often. Especially when i build rail network with tons of pillars. What beton production should i go for? I am thinking about going for something more drastic, with wet concrete or silica alternate recipe because i am tired of running out. Which is best?

[hard ivy]

Wet concrete + several uploaders

[willow dawn]

Wet concrete is great

[hard ivy]

I'm running 960/min iirc

[rigid adder]

I didn't find much use for BP. All my build look nothing like another

only times I use BP is when I need to place 50-100 identical machines for specific factory

[fathom shuttle]

You can make a 5x5 concrete blueprint you know that right?

[noble sand]

should I keep making smart plates after phase 2

[rigid adder]

I still will have to color it for each factory design

And I will sometimes have to trim it

[fathom shuttle]

Then make a quick temporary blueprint for this lol

[prime jasper]

Ok. By the way, is there an easy method to know the difference of height between two buildings? For exemple, between a water pump and a refinery?

Last time I tried to size by counting fondations but that's not practical over big gaps.

[rigid adder]

So it is good, but meh

[hard ivy]

Place a pump at the bottom and it'll tell you how high it's currently lifting liquid

[white dawn]

After awhile you do start to just get a feel for it. If I'm in a situation where I'm not 100% sure if I need a pump or not, I'll generally just either put one in anyway, or build the pipes and then just see if the liquid gets to where it needs to go (and add a pump if not)

Actually measuring it out is, as you say, not always super practical

[unkempt blade]

There are console/debug commands on the wiki that I've used to line up heights for skyroad building before. One of those displays your player coordinates that you could use to math it out

[white dawn]

(Though KYO297's pump-control-panel method would be a good compromise, yeah)

[unkempt blade]

I think SCIM should also show coordinates when you select something on the map if you can actually find the two things you want to compare

[hard ivy]

Foundations display their height when you hover over them

[prime jasper]

Okay, so you can easily know how much lift you have with that.

But how do you know how much lift you need?

Like, how high is my refinery? Is there a simple and quick way or I should just eyeball it and with time I'll probably eyeball things better and better?😅

[bright helm]

So I name floors in my factory after something what floor is used to. I built a new floor where I will produce alluminium from bauxite. Should I name the floor bauxite or alluminium?

[hard ivy]

You either check SCIM to get the heights of both foundation platforms, or add pumps until it's enough

[white dawn]

Every building which produces liquid gives you a "free" 10m head lift, btw, re: "how much lift you need" (and then pumps provide 20 for mk1, 50 for mk2)

Technically you can go slightly over that, though I don't personally recommend pushing it too far; if you're right at the "real" limit it can be kind of deceptive, 'cause it may work for awhile and then suddenly start having problems

The distances are measured from the middle of the pipes, so the refinery height doesn't really matter at all, just where the pipe connection is

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Head_lift could be a useful read to you, though be slightly wary of the "head lift produced by buildings" graphic; there's some perspective in the shots there which can be sligthly misleading

[hard ivy]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that every head lift source can do 10% more than it says it does, but I wouldn't recommend using all that extra to the limit

I usually stay below 105%, or even below 100%

[vague sparrow]

I am, 2400 ingots p/m only 400 powder p/m 😢

[hollow hazel]

I tend to go with the end product on that chain.

[fathom shuttle]

Just add a pump at the extractor level

Once you connect it, check the headlift
If it’s maxed out, place another pump in the middle

I kind of eyeball pumps and place one every 30-40m

[fathom shuttle]

Not too bad

[vague sparrow]

thats.. 1 pasta p/m i think

.<

[fathom shuttle]

It’s 2/min

[bright helm]

Its hard for me to do that bc I have very very high skycraper and on every floor different resource is used. For example on steel floor I produce motors and stators.

[hollow hazel]

Then you label it "Motors & Rotors" if those are your two end products on that floor.

[vague sparrow]

200p/m powder for 0.5 p/m right? I haven't checked the recipe in a while

[subtle swan]

Does satisfactory have a roadmap for updates?

[vague sparrow]

oh wait its 100 p/m for 0.5 my bad, so yeah 2

[bright helm]

I also produce steel pipes, beams and encased industrial beam. It would look boring

and also name would be long

[vague sparrow]

name is "Stuff made here"

[atomic notch]

Just call it boring stuff then

[hollow hazel]

Alright, now you need to create a map outside every elevator door from lotsa little signs. A number followed by the icons depicting your entire chain.

[atomic notch]

Tower of bore

[bright helm]

I also have small factories around map but this is my main factory

[vague sparrow]

Not sure what happened, but all my streetlamps turned red in stead of white, I have no light switch in there xD

[steep creek]

so i just killed one of those bean tick looking things that was stuck right where i wanted to build and ADA said "behavioural defect noted" has anyone else had this happen?

[fathom shuttle]

Yea you get those messages when you kill innocent animals

[vague sparrow]

Try thorwing some nobelisks at it 1 at a time, or nuke a doggo

[steep creek]

ah alr then

[fathom shuttle]

ADA told me to “stop it.” When I killed 7 lizard doggos

[steep creek]

lmfao

[minor rock]

same with the space giraffe

[steep creek]

im only at phase 2 lol

[vague sparrow]

I got called a psychopath when I accidentally nuked a doggo trying to kill other stuff

[minor rock]

she roasts you a bit harder though

[hollow hazel]

Something like this I guess? #screenshots message

[fathom shuttle]

#screenshots message

[minor rock]

also what do u guys call those things / lol

[fathom shuttle]

They were all walking alone and you expect me to just leave them be?

[hollow hazel]

u monster

[minor rock]

Right !

[vague sparrow]

lol

[minor rock]

time to mod in an aimbot, to really stomp them to the ground

they must perish .

[prime jasper]

SCIM?

[fathom shuttle]

Also I get the message when I nuke the birds that open their mouth

It’s way too tempting to pop a nuke in there

[minor rock]

theyre called the non flying bird lol

[fathom shuttle]

So they look like mutated birds

[minor rock]

very descript

[hard ivy]

https://satisfactory-calculator.com/en/interactive-map

[fathom shuttle]

We definitely need a flying bird version

[steep creek]

lmao i ran one over with a truck earlier

[minor rock]

a flying hostile mob would be so cool

i would love to be gunned down

better pve 🙏