satisfactory

[stuck oak]

there is a reckoning on my horizon and i am not ready for it

[ruby mountain]

QQ: priority power switch: 1 is top priority? (gets turned off last?)

[lean ferry]

value oil, dont care about iron, care a bit about nitrogen, value sulfur, care a bit about coal

so basically i need to save sulfur and oil

I do have heavy oil residue alt btw

oh yh wait nitro is MUCH more simpler

[fluid sapphire]

yes, considerably

[toxic zinc]

were can i do a bug report ?

[fossil ice]

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<3 @fluid sapphire

[lean ferry]

nah wait nitro rocket is way to expensive in sulfur

[frozen cloud]

nitro: 750 oil, 1000 coal, 1500 nitrogen, 2000 sulfur
default: 1237 oil, NO COAL!!!, 1200 nitrogen, 712 sulfur, 27 iron

[frozen cloud]

ye the issue is that the extra compacted coal from nitro is hard to use
where with defualt its easy to reuse

[last tartan]

@lime wadi i sent you a dm

[wanton fox]

going from fuel to Nitro Rocket was game change for me. Like.. so easy to build if you have the alternate recipes

[frozen cloud]

i liked the challenge of default
looping back the compacted coal is fun

[lean ferry]

turbo heavy blend saves alot on everything tho

so I can get like SO much more rocket fue lwith default

not default turbo heavy

btw guys should I just hypertube cannon into a random area in the map, and then just hypercannon back with biomass burners

cuz ive gotten most hard drives in my area the rest are rlly far

[frozen cloud]

cannon away walk back imo
i dont like leaving random buildings around

[fluid sapphire]

if you make 4800 nitro rocket fuel you still have 7200 sulfur left on the map for whatever else you want, i think the sulfur cost is overblown

[fiery pewter]

Yez

[lean ferry]

so nitro rocket or heavy blend

[fiery pewter]

Hypahtoob approves

[frozen cloud]

its more the local resources
with nitro youre gonna have to make it in different spots

[fluid sapphire]

blue crater has everything in 1km radius to make 4800 nitro rocket

[frozen cloud]

i did 6000 default there

[fluid sapphire]

well yeah, you can go whatever route you want

i wanted mine easy xd

[lean ferry]

you know what.

I know I sure do know im gonna go back at tier 9 being rich and regretting usint nitro rocket

but cuz im need in power

im gonna do both 🙂
heahwehahwhheahhehahsehah

[fluid sapphire]

well, you could make 2400, thats not really that costly

[lean ferry]

ill do nitro rocket fuel for now, then when im rich and everything in high tier ill make it turbo heavy blend

what is blue crater btw the thing in bottom right of map

[fluid sapphire]

i just thought i would do a one and done, just build one big plant and be done with power probably for the rest of my playthough, i cant imagine using more than 300GW

[lean ferry]

cuz I have my plastic and rubber there aswell as my turbofuel, but I wana convert to nitro rocket

[fiery pewter]

What's wrongk with using all the uranium in the world to make nuclear power, plutonium power and ficsonium power?

[lean ferry]

very ahrd

and btw

[fiery pewter]

Fair enough

[lean ferry]

how do I convert my turbofuel power to rocket fuel power without my power crashing

[fiery pewter]

Battery

[lean ferry]

faiiirssss

[fluid sapphire]

is it though, someone shared a production chain here recently for nuclear and it didnt look that complicated

[lean ferry]

well I need to hard drive grind then

cuzx alt recipes carry

[fiery pewter]

Well, using all the uranium, and going out of your way to make it wasteless with making ficsonium, also uses all of the SAM iirc

[frozen cloud]

ficsonium is garbage

[reef basin]

*for power production

[fiery pewter]

Yeag

But you can't sink it

So then plutonium power also won't be doable

[frozen cloud]

yep
its just not worth

[wicked nacelle]

I don't believe there is enough sam in the game (slooped) to sink all the plutonium waste you can generate -- and certainly not if you want to actually build anything too

[frozen cloud]

if you want wasteless nuclear then sink plutonium rods

[fiery pewter]

Unless you would be okay with thousandd if not millions of plutonium waste

[fiery pewter]

Yeah, just better

[wicked nacelle]

syphon off a few for drones and sink the rest, yes

[frozen cloud]

i mean i still did ficsonium because i like complex chains and omg ikealamps on belts

[fiery pewter]

Completely wasteless with ficsonium uses 14400 SAM iirc, which is all

Did the math once when 1.0 dropped

[wicked nacelle]

with default or max plutonium processing?

[fiery pewter]

IIKWA LAMPSZZ

[fiery pewter]

With processing all of the plutonium waste

[wicked nacelle]

fertile plutonium generates quite a bit more plutonium = more waste

[wicked nacelle]

but what plutonium recipe?

[fiery pewter]

Yeah, did the math like a year ago, don't actually remember

[reef basin]

if you want sinkless do ficsonium

[fiery pewter]

But ze points for ze ticketzz

[fathom shuttle]

There is but it still takes up 90% of your Sam for an extra 70GW

[frozen cloud]

i thought there isnt

[fiery pewter]

Yeah there is

[fathom shuttle]

With slooped Sam there is

[wicked nacelle]

it's not an extra 70gw because you burn the plutonium

[frozen cloud]

sure

[wicked nacelle]

plutonium fuel rod is worth 153,184 -- essentially zero

[fiery pewter]

Plutonium generates a LOT of power

[fathom shuttle]

You can also store the plutonium waste in my ultra supermassive ISC blueprint

[fiery pewter]

Eventually, yes

[fiery pewter]

Do you know the range of a single storage bin full of plutonium waste

Its far

Like, the deadly range

[wicked nacelle]

Caution: EXTREMELY Radioactive

[fathom shuttle]

5/min filters and that’s no worries

[fiery pewter]

Lmao

[fathom shuttle]

Edge in the map, near the world height
Use a drone to transport the waste

[wicked nacelle]

that's not a "solution" I think most people would be happy with

[fiery pewter]

Viable

[white dawn]

Waste storage really isn't the problem a lot of folks think it is. Yes, technically that radioactive zone will keep on expanding, but if you're built it offshore or just somewhere you don't often go, you're unlikely to ever notice

[wicked nacelle]

many people just don't want to build an unsustainable factory. Regardless of whether it's a "problem" or not

[fiery pewter]

But eventually you'd run out of space to store the waste

[jade scaffold]

my new steel beam blueprint is called, Steel Beam 480 ingot, 240 outget.

[frozen cloud]

eh
the world is pretty big

[fiery pewter]

Yeah fair

[fathom shuttle]

No one will play on the same world for more than 8000 hours so “sustainability” is kind of irrelevant here
And when the alternative to simply a few clicks is building thousands of machines and spending a lot of your worlds resources it’s tough to justify

[wicked nacelle]

I find it counter to how I play this style of game. I believe many people feel the same.

[frozen cloud]

except that rocket fuel is better than nuclear and doesnt make waste xd

[plucky seal]

hey me and my friend just got oil production unlocked, where should we make it

[wicked nacelle]

I don't want to build it that way no matter how many clicks it is

[wicked nacelle]

near oil

[fiery pewter]

And then use the uranium for UNLIMITED NUKES

[frozen cloud]

ye
its mostly that it discourages me from afking
i feel "rushed" or just dont like afking

[plucky seal]

yeah but where should I get the oil

[fiery pewter]

Depends where your "main" base is

[frozen cloud]

at your base
pipeline the oil

[plucky seal]

we're set up in the grasslands or whatever it's called

[frozen cloud]

dont go east
go north west
east do be dragons

[fiery pewter]

You have oil in the Blue Crater Lake (very dangerous) and my personal favorite, the Gold coast (islands on the left, also higly dangerous, but no stingers)

[plucky seal]

okay so both suck

[fiery pewter]

Yeah

[plucky seal]

got it, I'll check out the crater since it's closer

[frozen cloud]

islands are fine
dont think they are dangerous

[fiery pewter]

But the rest is even further norht

[fiery pewter]

Bunch of Alpha mobs

[frozen cloud]

but open space

[fiery pewter]

But atleast its not a dense forest with Elite Stingers running around

So that's better

[steady glade]

you can deal with the western islands with a rifle, the crater has alpha stingers in the shadows

[fiery pewter]

And Elite

Alpha are the medium ones iirc

The often-jumping ones are Elite

And then you have the gas version

[frail sleet]

It's a huge problem if you make a lot of uranium and leave it at uranium waste 😛

But Plutonium can delete 95% of the waste if you use certain recipies. That makes it not so much of a problem, because you get 4000 hours out of your storage instead of 200.

[steady glade]

big ones are alpha, gas ones are elite

[fiery pewter]

Got it

So the radioactive hogs are Elite too

And there are no Elite spitters then

[peak wasp]

Fun fact

You can keep using biofuel for quite some time

[fiery pewter]

Yez

Only downside of me is non-automatable input

[peak wasp]

...you can turn plants into coal...and use that

[shadow spade]

Better than having to suffer using pipes for coal or fuel power.

[peak wasp]

That's coal power age

You can turn plants into fuel....fuel generator age

[fiery pewter]

Still, need to gather plants

[peak wasp]

...can coal somehow be turned into uranium?

[fiery pewter]

Transformer building

[shadow spade]

Coal and fuel generators aren't worth the headache, frankly.

[inner echo]

If you make everything into biofuel...you basically only have to do it once. Frigging critter remains make a redonk amount of biofuel.

[fiery pewter]

But prolly using obscure recipes

[shadow spade]

One spitter providing enough biofuel for multiple production lines somehow.

[frozen cloud]

just do a simple design for coal, like 1 water extractor directly into 2 coal gens

[fluid sapphire]

What's the headache, pipes are not that crazy, just take some getting used to, you just have to keep the systems simple

[shadow spade]

And then they keep shutting down because pipes suck.

[peak wasp]

Use a water tower silly

[fluid sapphire]

Pipes are fine, you should learn to use them

[fiery pewter]

Pipes are not that hard right?

[fluid sapphire]

No

[frozen cloud]

well lategame needs pipes anyway
so start getting used to them

[fiery pewter]

Keep uplift in mind when not using water towers

[shadow spade]

You can't get much simpler than a 20m straight line between refinery and generator.

[fluid sapphire]

OK, so what's the problem?

[shadow spade]

50% of flow just vanishes into the aether for no reason.

[fluid sapphire]

There is always a reason

[fiery pewter]

What obscure route does your pipeline take

[dreamy scroll]

Pipeline going through the Nether over here.

[frozen cloud]

bro has leaky pipes

[shadow spade]

A straight line. Once I'm not on mobile I can screencap.

[fluid sapphire]

You should make a post in the help section, we can sort it

[fiery pewter]

Sorry, gotta check:
Straight line forwards with no elevation?

[fluid sapphire]

There is not enough info here to diagnose properly rn

[shadow spade]

Other than the single-height pipe support so I don't have to jump over groynd level pipes, which is covered by the refinery's built-in headlift.

[fluid sapphire]

Then you either have a math error somewhere, or a pipe system design related problem earlier in the chain

[fiery pewter]

Or a leaky pipe

[fluid sapphire]

Sure

Ficsit should really invest in some better equipment

[fiery pewter]

I'm tired I shouldn't be here rn lol

[fiery pewter]

Yeag

[cerulean gorge]

100 drunk engineers play satisfactory for 24 hours:

[fiery pewter]

Isn't that just Let's Game it Out but then 1 person?

[fluid sapphire]

I do find that flow is more consistent when pipes are saturated

Sloops can help saturate pipes quicker

[frail sleet]

They literally do not shut down though. If you post a save file where flow isn't working, a bunch of people will immediately tell you why (and almost 100% of the time it's a very basic issue)

[fluid sapphire]

There isn't a pipe problem we can't solve

[frozen cloud]

pipes are a ladder

[ivory condor]

Wait is this bug back again👀

I remember back in ea when I was losing so much fluid because of leaking pipes

[shadow spade]

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[ivory condor]

Interesting, well time for more testing later, because i have seen leaking pipes before

[wicked nacelle]

I’ve never had leaking pipes. But I’ve had sources that should run at 100% run under that when consumption should match or exceed 100% in situations with multiple consumers (ie not nuclear power)

Which then causes consumers to starve

But the resource isn’t disappearing it’s just not being produced at expected levels

[ivory condor]

I have personally only seen it during ea, think it was around u3-u4 when pipes were introduced

[wicked nacelle]

That was before me. But I came in at 5 I think and haven’t heard anyone complain about this where the problem wasn’t actually something else.

[ivory condor]

What happened in my case was pipes had negative flow, but it wasn't adding that to the previous section of pipes, removing the fluid from existence

[latent prawn]

a month or so ago, i noticed in my 1.1 playthrough that my long running rocket fuel power plant's pipes were slowly emptying. it seems on a long enough timeline, some errors in the simulated rounding of pipe content does accumulate small errors

[wicked nacelle]

That happens to me but when I check my fuel makers I see that they aren’t all running at 100%. For some reason they occasionally stop for a moment.

[ivory condor]

Maybe the pipe bugs of the past are back again, haven't played 1.1 much

[latent prawn]

be careful regarding that. hoverpack jumping between grids partitioned with power switches can also cause pauses

[wicked nacelle]

Sometimes it takes a while to see one stop though.

[hard ivy]

pipes need to be rewritten from scratch tbh

[wicked nacelle]

The fluid implementation looks like someone got a research paper and implemented it without understanding it then hacked on some gameplay features without understanding how it impacts the simulation.

[white dawn]

Yeah, it's unfortunate that bug's still around. For me that typically means choosing between hoverpack + PPS, so PPS generally loses

[latent prawn]

i think it is more that there's just some subtle rounding errors in the simulation that accumulate over 1000+ in-game hours, it took a long while for it to manifest in my world and was just a matter of bringing portions of the build up and down to refill the pipes

[white dawn]

Which is a shame, 'cause I do like carving up my power grid into neat little areas, even if I'm not actually worried about power trips. Ah well!

[latent prawn]

yeah, i'm with you on that, lol

[ivory condor]

Maybe not the same as the previous bugs i saw, where i could see fluids in pipes disappearing right before me👀

[white dawn]

1.0 would've been the best time to do that, alas, but CSS didn't really come to grips with a lot of the common behavioral complaints until quite late in the leadup to 1.0, when it was far too late

Maybe they'll eventually do a Factorio and revamp the system in 2.0

[latent prawn]

i think the rounding errors however are mitigated by something in the code that stuffs a small amt of additional liquid into pipes at game load-time, but the errors do still accumulate

[white dawn]

Though I know a lot of folks thought Factorio went too far; hopefully if they ever do revamp it, it'll be done in a way which retains complexity and interestingness

(Personally I'd bet on the fluid system never really getting touched, but time will tell!)

[hard ivy]

fluid should be treated like items and moved in 1L increments - use ints instead of floats

[latent prawn]

i have a feeling that very few people understand the pipe code's math, lol

[wicked nacelle]

Fixed place math is what you’re really trying to get at. Doesn’t have to be an integer per se

[ivory condor]

Pipes aren't the only system that needs revamped truth be told

[latent prawn]

i think they use fixed point math for it, correcting the floating point detal

[ivory condor]

Belts also have a variety of issues that even now aren't fixed

[white dawn]

I mean for me personally I actually don't mind the current fluid system at all. Once you know how to deal with it, you can generally just build+forget. Though if there are very long-running loss issues then it'd be nice for those at least to get sorted

[latent prawn]

i'm also going to take a quick step back and say that the game needs some meaningful monitoring and metrics so that these hard-to-pinpoint issues are easier to quantify

[white dawn]

And yeah, I think the simulation does attempt to round away the floating-point imprecision, and mostly does a very good job at it

[wicked nacelle]

Even if there were rounding loss or whatever eventually a machine would shut down and the system would recover by overproducing

[ivory condor]

Many systems in this game need revamping, but idk if that will happen

[hard ivy]

the fact that you can't get 600/min through a pipe in certain situations shouldn't be a thing

it says 600, then it should do 600. like belts

[white dawn]

Most problems folks have with pipes are just down to the vagaries of the simulation itself, and needing to adapt to some admittedly inscrutable build patterns

[latent prawn]

yeah, a lot of the 'problems' with pipes are more user error than the game having problems

[wicked nacelle]

The simulation is just the wrong one for this game. It’s too realistic and it doesn’t match the rest of the game.

[ivory condor]

Too bad the previous pipe bugs i saw very much wasn't that

But pipes when first put in had many issues with them

[white dawn]

I wouldn't agree with the general case of that statement (it'd be easy to create a situation where you wouldn't expect 600/min to work, etc), though I do agree that it'd be nice if some of the current edge cases could get filed down a bit. Handling 600/min reliably at the moment often means having to rely on a lot of institutional knowledge in places like this Discord

Yeah, realism doesn't necessarily equal fun, etc.

[wicked nacelle]

If you define “user error” as not doing the silly workarounds the game requires. I wouldn’t call that pipes working fine.

[latent prawn]

i know at least two pipe issues still exist, but they aren't the typical manifestation of slosh

[white dawn]

Still, at least we have methods of, in general, getting pipes working at 100% efficiency (barring potential very-long-running loss issues, I suppose?)

[peak wasp]

You know what I hate

[ivory condor]

Why I like factorio and foundry implement of pipes, its more idiot proof

[frozen cloud]

issue is fluids are hard
its reaaaaly hard to make something better that doesnt explode your pc
theres a reason you get 1 million dollars if you solve fluids mathematically

[wicked nacelle]

Hidden things like slosh doesn’t make for good gameplay.

[peak wasp]

MasterCard and Visa...censoring video games

[frozen cloud]

those dont work for 3d though

[ivory condor]

Foundry is 3d👀

[frozen cloud]

oh idk about foundry just meant factorio sorry

[wicked nacelle]

It doesn’t need to be more accurate. It needs to work as expected and consistent with the rest of the game. The problem is it’s too accurate already. Nothing else is

[white dawn]

Navier-Stokes ftw!

[hard ivy]

I think that as long as I'm putting in 600 in one end, pulling 600 out the other, then 600 should be able to move through the middle, regardless of how messy the pipe is (barring insufficient head lift obvsly)

it's a game, not a fluid simulation software

[latent prawn]

the pipe simulation in the game isn't 3 dimensional per say. there's a concept of height as represented by headlift

[frozen cloud]

but you cant just make it "less accurate"
it propagates along pipes
that creates backflow
so you cant do 600/min in 1 direction since some flows back
unless you dont want it to flow through pipes its hard to make it not backflow since its bidirectional

[ivory condor]

Agreed, why if it was up to me, pipes would be reworked to make it more fun to use

[wicked nacelle]

Backflow and sloshing don’t need to be in the game

[frozen cloud]

they literally said they are thinking of reworking them
you just cant
its a really really hard problem

[wicked nacelle]

The simulation needs to be simpler not more accurately with complexity

[cedar portal]

I have to agree the fluid mechanics are bad game design, too much hidden that you can't see or even know about without watching a 30 minute video about it. They need to work from a logical standpoint. I know programmers can be proud of creative stuff they write (like sloshing) but sometimes it's better to not have it.

[latent prawn]

yeah, the issue is that the simulation leads to confusion and that's just bad user experience

[white dawn]

As I say, I agree that the game probably would have benefitted form having a simpler fluid system which avoids some of these problems. But by the same token, I do like that fluids are a weird little beast which requires some degree of fiddling with. I'd be disappointed if they just became Another Kind Of Belt

[last tartan]

should i explore up North on foot or via vehicle

[white dawn]

And figuring out that sweet spot is, alas, tough

[wicked nacelle]

The simulation has hidden behavior that the game doesn’t expose or give tools to deal with that aren’t hacky emergent gameplay that you have to watch videos or ask on discord about

[last tartan]

ima go by vehicle

[white dawn]

IMO pipes should, however, be capable of bidirectional flow. Like I don't want Just Another Belt™; I like that they're a different sort of thing. AFAIK there's no bit in the code which is like "okay, here's what controls backflow" and "here's what controls sloshing" -- those are just kind of side effects of the simulation

[dense turtle]

arachnophobia mode is the greatest thing ever, instead of being scared and disgusted by big slimy ugly spiders i get greeted by cute cats, i wish they didnt attack me tho

[cedar portal]

I have all my nuclear reactors at 240% because the fluid shenanagins at 250% are too much of a pita. It's annoying.

[leaden ruin]

i either arrived at the wrong time (too late) or the right time, but given I just tried to manifold 600m/min of water down a line of refineries yet the last few are never full, perhaps i should read everything. above. is the takeaway i need to loop the end back around to the beginning?

[ivory condor]

Agreed, why I like foundry pipes more and its overall more fun imo

[white dawn]

So it's very nontrivial to try and reduce some of the pain points while still making it an interesting mechanic

[fluid sapphire]

gameplay options - creature agression: retaliate

[frozen cloud]

i truly believe that its impossible to make a better system that doesnt have backflow/sloshing without giving up stuff like "pipes filling at the bottom first"
like you can make it where all pipes fill evenly like factorio
but having a pipe on the ground be 50% empty and a pipe ABOVE it also 50% empty jsut makes no sense

[dense turtle]

yeah but then other ones wont attack me either

[bright magnet]

so ... just finished the game and watched all the endings credits and ... man now i need to find a factory game that makes me Satisfied as Satisfactory did

[white dawn]

As I say, though, I do agree that it probably would've been to the game's benefit had the simulation been simpler. I don't think anyone would've been complaining about not having hydraulic shock for years, had the system not been capable of it in the first place. :D

[fluid sapphire]

the mobs become just an annoyance after a certain point - i am here to build, not to be pestered

[wicked nacelle]

They don’t respawn where you’ve built

[cedar portal]

The answer is more asatisfactory. I set myself a goal of 20 warp drives/min to sink for points, hit it, and am now running around making the process more effeicent.

[white dawn]

But, again, how do you do that while also keeping pipes interesting? I dunno, a tough question. And a bit besides the point since they didn't attempt any changes with 1.0. Making changes now (outside of a real major update like a hypothetical 2.0) would be even worse

[wicked nacelle]

And if you are going to build somewhere soon and clear it out just put down a powered constructor and a few power poles

[cedar portal]

Except when the devs keep resetting the map! But that gets me extra sommersloops so... worth it.

[latent prawn]

i think a middle ground could be reached if the pipe simulation were less opaque

[wicked nacelle]

That happened once and it was reverted so many people never noticed.

[cedar portal]

Pipes are just bad. So many times I click ona pipe to check flow and it just randomly bounces beteen 100 and 500 with no way to have any idea what it's doing.

[wicked nacelle]

And it’s made worse with newb traps of fluid buffers and valves. I’d guess 99% of all placed are done incorrectly

[cedar portal]

Can I just see how much is flowing in a pipe? Nope, cause sloshing.

[bright magnet]

i usually play games for the ending and once i get the ending i kinda lose all the joy to not know and melt the brain all the time ... but maybe now ill try to get the most expensive item in the AWESOME shop

[wicked nacelle]

Golden nut is still a count based goal. Go for a rate based goal.

[cedar portal]

Yup, I built production lines to get me ALl the tropies and unlock all the stuff.

[wicked nacelle]

Get a million points a minute or whatever 🙂

[bright magnet]

but still GG devs ... also did notcied in the credits a special thanks to ||Arnold Schwarzenegger|| and when i noticed i was WHAT?! 😂

[wicked nacelle]

(A million a minute is pretty low but you get the point)

[bright magnet]

also i was legit hoping for a Lets game it out moment but no

[cedar portal]

The game is so good that when problems like pipe sloshing happen it's like... what the heck, who put something unsatisfying in my perfect game?

[white dawn]

Although then you can figure out ways to build pipes which mitigate the sloshing altogether, and can feel satisfied by that. :)

Every problem is an opportunity!

[wicked nacelle]

But the game doesn’t teach you that. That’s bad design

[white dawn]

Oh yeah, 100% agreed on that point. :)

[cedar portal]

The solution is to just build more pipes so none run near max and thats unsatisfying.

[bright magnet]

but thats also the best ... u learn while playing

[cedar portal]

But you can't learn because the games gives you no tools of visualtion of the problem.

[wicked nacelle]

It’s not intuitive to solve. As evidenced by the number of questions we get.

[cedar portal]

It just... doesn't work

[white dawn]

That is a solution, sure, but there's also techniques for getting a solid 600/min which, in general, will not fail you.

I don't avoid 600/min on my own saves and have not run into problems in a long time, since resigning myself to the pipe-build methods which tend to work flawlessly

[wicked nacelle]

Trains are a much better example of giving someone the tools but they have to figure out how they work. Other than the current signal bug during buildout of course. But that’s a bug

[white dawn]

(though I admit that I have seen folks using that advice saying that there's still problems, so clearly there's at least some slight differences in build technique, or something, which can cause problems)

[cedar portal]

It works most of the time until it doesn't and your whwole factory crashes. Nothing worse than trying to diagnose pipe issues.

[wicked nacelle]

If your factory depends on 100% pipe flow yeah you’re in trouble

[lean ferry]

anyways

idk why I said anyways that was random but hi I made my 160/m packaged rocket fuel

so now I can make my drone empire 🙂

[cedar portal]

Whats the bug? I've been having trouble placing signals recently, I can't make them face the right ddirection randomly.

[ivory condor]

Another problem is one person's interesting design challenge, is another players frustrating or downright infuriating experience, which also isnt satisfactory

[white dawn]

As I say, the "usual" methods in general will not cause those problems

[cedar portal]

I mean, in most factories if any part stops working at 100% it's going to be trouble 😄

[white dawn]

I literally never had fluid problems, even at 600/min, in either my U8 or 1.0 playthroughs; it was I think the playthrough before that when I finally just gave in to the Usual Advice™. :)

[wicked nacelle]

Well the bug where the color doesn’t change on either side of the signal is the big one. But there is also the “mouse wheel stops working” bug but that’s easy you just put one on the wrong side one on the right side then delete the wrong one

[wicked nacelle]

Not in any of mine

I overproduce and under consume.

[cedar portal]

I've seen the color one, is that just visual or does it cause issues with trains? I've got problems where I want to put a block signal on a section of track and it just insists on placing it backwards and I can't make it turn around

[wicked nacelle]

You will get the “path loops on signal” error or whatever the string is

[cedar portal]

I dod as well but at some point once your production % drops low enough at one point it will cascade

[fluid sapphire]

they sure seem to spawn where i have built

[ivory condor]

Right but the problem is you shouldn't have to go to sources outside the game, just to figure out how to use pipes without major issues

[wicked nacelle]

None of the bugs are that severe. There is no “belt stops belting” bug

[lean ferry]

btw whats a recommended hdd grind method

like just hypertube cannon to other edge of map and walk back? 💔

[wicked nacelle]

What do you mean?

[lean ferry]

one thats jut fast with no hassle like how do I get there

[cedar portal]

YES, thats been driving me crazy, good to know it was a bug. I spent like 20 minutes trying to fix it before realizing ALL my trains were jammed up and I had to reload my save. Luckily only 20 minutes

[lean ferry]

just walk? 💔

[wicked nacelle]

Oh. You can mark on your map as you find them so you kind of know that a place won’t have many and you should go elsewhere next time

[lean ferry]

cuz that will take me like a whole day to get 20 hard drive

ok ill do that tommorow thanks goodnight guys

[cedar portal]

Radar towers will tell you how many hard drives are in an area

[south sinew]

use SCIM to know where the hard drives you haven't collected actually are, then use a hypercannon to go there and plan a route

[wicked nacelle]

Once you involve SCIM there are a lot of additional answers

Like “just unlock all the recipes” 🙂

[cedar portal]

Not ever loading saves back in from SCIM is very, very hard some days. But if I do it once, then I'll do it again, and again. Just like drugs... just say no 😄

[white dawn]

Right, yeah, 100% agreed. I've often said that the biggest problem with pipes isn't the fluid simulation implementation, it's the user feedback/tutorializing/lack-thereof. Especially since pipes get a lot more finnicky as you approach their limits, and towards 600/min specifically. It sucks when the methods you've been using for most of the game suddenly aren't sufficient for no adequately-explained reason.

[ivory condor]

Just be careful with scim megaprinting, alot of issues still with that

[white dawn]

That was actually the thing I was really hoping 1.0 would address, really: giving users more feedback about pipes and such. I always figured a fluid simulation overhaul was very much a longshot

[cedar portal]

Besides, my save is 5 years old and I won't risk it, even if SCIM is pretty stable

[white dawn]

Though I remain unsure as to how exactly the game would present useful feedback to you about pipes in ways that wouldn't be just, like, pages of text in a boring and overwhelming dialog. :D

[torpid siren]

Servers in this game are unstable and really laggy

[ivory condor]

Right and that's why i think pipes need to be revamped, if they aren't going to do that, even they need to make pipes simpler to use, imo anyways

[hard ivy]

I don't think you even can explain some of the stuff that happens. I've built plenty of 600/min pipes for oil, water, fuel, nitrogen, but when I built one for HOR once, it did more like 590 on average.

what's even worse, adding valves on every single pipe segment brough it up to 595. like wth

[white dawn]

IMO figuring out a way to ease the player experience of figuring out that stuff is a problem that's an order of magnitude easier than reimplementing fluids, though. And as a bonus, you don't risk breaking pepole's existing factories if you approach it from that angle instead

[ivory condor]

Could be because they haven't actually fixed mk2 pipe throughput issues to

[white dawn]

Redoing the fluid simulation at this point would be a terrible idea; the only real opportunity would be another really huge update like a hypothetical future 2.0, where you'd feel maybe a bit more comfortable about possibly breaking backwards compatibility

[zenith kestrel]

Steeled frame or stitched iron plate?

[white dawn]

CSS have pretty heavily implied they weren't going to break compatibility again after 1.0, so we're definitely not gonna see it in the 1.x line

[hard ivy]

both
get more drives

[reef basin]

whichever you like more

[ivory condor]

Imo the risk is small of breaking anything, especially if the goal is just to make fluid flow in a simpler way that's easier to understand, only exception would be things like priority pipe mergers, which those changes would very likely break

And those are more edge cases and you could probably make something to make those work again to

[frozen cloud]

both are good
depends on if you already have a good frame or RIP recipe or more available hard drives
i think i would value stiched iron plate more? but both are nice

[last tartan]

#screenshots message check this out guys

[leaden ruin]

so bottom-feeding (even with a water tower) at max flow is just a no-no, and i should either top-feed (likely with a loop)? or split into lower flow pipes. this is just for water

[wicked nacelle]

I thought anything other than bottom feeding was fine. I flat feed a lot

[white dawn]

IMO you're vastly underestimating the risk, and also the QA efforts that would be required to feel confident that you're not breaking stuff on random saves out in the wild

Remember the scale of Satisfactory's sales; you replace whole systems at your own risk, as a dev in that situation

[wicked nacelle]

they could add a second implementation that defaults to on in new games but is opt in in existing saves. It's not crazy to do.

not everything has to have two sides that are equal

[ivory condor]

I have lost track how many times updates have broken things, so those QA efforts don't seem to be enough...

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1398086728069156925/image.png?ex=6884153b&is=6882c3bb&hm=013853a1af6a9fec8988a7dbaf99c4f8ec7e7895ac768b45b53044453a8a228b& made a nice little display belt as my warp drives head to their imminent destruction

[ivory condor]

I think at this point another update breaking more things again would just be another typical update😅

[wicked nacelle]

I need to glass it in and such but it's a pain to get them to be spaced evenly

[dense turtle]

do yall also think 10 reinforced plates rotors and modular frames per minute is an overkill? because math says i gotta be using 16 smelters

[hard ivy]

depends what you do with them, it might even not be enough

[dense turtle]

okay im doing it then

[wicked nacelle]

have enough to build with and beyond that build the number you need to support the things you build with them. There's no number that you can make up that will just be enough for anything ever

[lean ferry]

Guys how many fused frames a minute should I automate I don’t know what’s overkill or not

[wild plume]

is there some way to flip a hypertube branch?

[wicked nacelle]

you can rotate it before you place it, right?

[lean ferry]

I want to get pressure motors cuz they are much cheaper but idk how many fused frames I need a min

[wild plume]

it only branches to the left though, if i rotate it, the branch will go the wrong way and you can't go in

[hard ivy]

place it on an existing hypertube, then you'll get rotation relative to that tube instead of the ground

[wild plume]

ahh thanks

[wicked nacelle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1398088640487358495/image.png?ex=68841703&is=6882c583&hm=0cda9796e312ecf129a3c7ef441c0df2dc53df4bc507f9d1b666953898289fe5&

[wild plume]

got it

[lean ferry]

How much fused frames should I aim to do I’m planning 3 then sloop to 6, making 4.5 and getting 9 is kinda overkill and would use a lot of casings

[rocky rock]

can anyone recommend a good nuclear power guide? trying to build a proper 3 stage plant

[frozen cloud]

depends on what you use them for
for personal building 1.5 is enough
if used as ingredient just do it depending on how much of that item you wanna make
i personally make 40/min with 20 going to thermal propulsion rockets, 10 to turbo pressure motors and 10 for pasta

[hard ivy]

I suggest you use some calculator and plan it yourself. It's hard to say what's a "proper" nuclear plant

nor did you specify what you want. A specific power output? a specific uranium consumption? some rod output?

[lucid pagoda]

Is plutonium fuel unit better even tho it uses the cube of agony? It uses significantly less aluminum? In my case I’d run 300 more plants if I use plutonium fuel unit versus normal recipe, and I’d be saving ~2000 aluminum ingots

And I’d do that while saving ~30 sloops

[verbal yoke]

wait wtf why do vertical programmable splitters require supercomputers?
And vertical priority mergers require different materials
WHY

[hard ivy]

depends what your goal is exactly

[frozen cloud]

nah just make more uranium fuel

[lucid pagoda]

I just wanna see a big number from my power grid

[lucid pagoda]

I’m using 2100 uranium for this process

[spark sky]

If I've created a blueprint, can I use it in a new game without having unlocked the parts, or do I have to set up the Awesome Shop/Sink combo and get all the blueprints for the pieces, first?

[hard ivy]

programmable splitters used to require SCs, but in 1.0, that was removed. it seems the devs used the pre-1.0 recipe for the vertical programmable splitter

[hard ivy]

plut unit will give you more rods per cell

if you're burning the plutonium, then it'll be more power

[verbal yoke]

it's a supercomputer plus a motor plus a hmf
but the new priority mergers also require different stuff, Ai limiter plus circuit board, instead of RIP and a crystal oscilator, and there's not old recipe for that

[hard ivy]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Programmable_Splitter

Patch 1.0: Changed cost from 1 Heavy Modular Frame, 1 Motor and 1 Supercomputer to 1 Heavy Modular Frame, 2 Computer and 5 AI Limiter

[verbal yoke]

oh, so that is the case, ig maybe the vertical priority merger recipe was an old experimental branch recipe?

[rocky rock]

Mostly wanting to know what the clean ratios are assuming I'm only uranium limited, looks like it's 80 uranium per minute to 1 ficsonium rod per minute

[hard ivy]

entirely depends on the recipe choices

[rocky rock]

If I have all alternate recipes what's the most ficsonium rods I can produce using all the uranium on the map? One tutorial video I saw mentioned 1100 uranium per minute

[hard ivy]

without sloops in the nuclear chain, 152 ficsonium/min from 2090 uranium ore

[last tartan]

ive been up north in the desert, this place is a hard drive JACKPOT

[rocky rock]

From what I've seen hard drives are pretty evenly spread across the map, they're just easier to see in the desert

[bitter mirage]

Finally got to mk6 belts, time for mega factories ! took like 70 hours haha

[last tartan]

what i mean is that they're all operational, or have very low requirements

and they have TONS of loot around them, ive found probably 200 computers now

[bitter mirage]

Yeah, harddrive loot is OP, I think I'll definitely be investing some time into going around and collecting them and the items for early game resources and points in my next save

[little sonnet]

i just unlocked the dimensional depot but items seem to just keep feeding into it even when its full, do they just get voided and if so is there a way to stop the flow ONLY when its full

[south sinew]

they do not get voided, the depot has an internal buffer of 1 stack

[little sonnet]

oh okay cool thanks

[spark sky]

Um, I didn't get an answer to my question about blueprints. Do blueprints require you to have unlocked the blueprints of the parts used in the blueprint (i.e. parts from the Awesome Shop) in order to use the blueprint, or do I just need the materials?

[white dawn]

All the more reason to not rip out a fundamental game system and replace it. :)

[elder apex]

blueprints only require having unlocked the blueprint designer, once you have done that you can copy over blueprints from other games and use them, regardless of whether you have the milestones or recipes, as long as you have the materials

[white dawn]

But to that point, they broke factory-compatibility intentionally a number of times during Early Access beacuse it was Early Access

That's the time at which it's far more acceptable to do that kind of thing

Obviously they can still accidentally break stuff on updates post-1.0, but AFAIK they intend to keep that to a minimum (ie: unintentional bugs which they'll hope to fix)

[undone yarrow]

Huh... I always thought the Bolted pair were a more substantial material cost increase than they actually are.

Assuming otherwise base recipes Bolted RIPs use 2/3 more ingots per RIP (12.5 to 13.1667) and Bolted Frames use 1 more ingot per (24.75 to 25.75) if I didn't screw any math up or a 5.3333% increase and a 4.0404% increase

I thought they were like 15% or something

But that small of a cost incease for 3x and 2.5x the output per minute? suddenly tempting

[hard ivy]

Vs default, sure. But vs stitched and steeled, not really

[ivory condor]

And in the meantime people get to continue to enjoy pipes that will remain frustrating, is this really a satisfactory experience, im not convinced

[rocky rock]

Far too many developers don't make necessary breaking changes during early access, I'm very glad the satisfactory devs were willing to

[pastel carbon]

Well, considering the factorio devs created an entirely new fluid system for 2.0, maybe your best bet is hoping the satisfactory devs work on satisfactory 2.0 and create an entirely new fluid system then

I have my own doubts about whether they'll actually do that, but you never really know

[ivory condor]

I see it as is it better to have short term pain, aka some things could be revamped to make it in the long term better experience and easier to use and less frustrating, vs will we are afraid of breaking things so let's keep this being a painful experience, not convinced on that train of thought

[undone yarrow]

Aye, just an interesting thought

[ivory condor]

Aka we are worrying about short term pain vs long term pain here essentially

[rocky rock]

the fluids system is really annoying, especially the lack of properly large pipes

[undone yarrow]

Mmm? Aye, pipes are either angels or demons

[ivory condor]

Seems like unless your a seasoned pipe builder, initial user experience with pipes remains the latter

[prisma forge]

Alright so carrying oil with trains is cool but ineffictient, it seems. Should I scrap the train and just bring oil directly to my factory?

[undone yarrow]

Vehicles are more computer efficient and look cool

[rocky rock]

could also package it

probably more efficient than a tank car

[frozen cloud]

pipes are black magic

[prisma forge]

package 3450m³ of oil?

yeah I am considering it

[rocky rock]

send the empty containers back on the train

[frozen cloud]

just do a long pipeline

[fleet bough]

is there any way to split up exact number of items/min into conveyors? for example i’m trying to split 195 quick wire into 150 and 45? is there an easy way to do it?

[ivory condor]

Good point, but i can't help but look at how foundry does fluids for instance and think overall from a user experience, that's miles ahead already

[prisma forge]

yup so I would need to have two sets of 3450 canisters.

[hard ivy]

Yes, but there's no reason to. Just use a single splitter and it'll work itself out eventually

[frozen cloud]

belt limit by mk2 and mk1 remerged
so its 120+30, send overflow to 45 line
but dont do that xD
just manifold

[rocky rock]

that's what burned me out on my first attempt at nuclear power, getting the belts balanced so I don't have to fill up conveyors with fuel rods before things finally reach full capacity

[fleet bough]

manifold?

[hard ivy]

You'd need way more

[frozen cloud]

!wikisearch manifold

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=manifold

[frozen cloud]

once 1 side (or machine) is full it will ovevrflow to the other side
so you feed 195 into a splitter for initially 97.5/97.5
the 45 side is getting too much so it will fill
once its full it will block and only accept 45, so the other side gets 150

[ivory condor]

Lol that username

[prisma yoke]

i wish we had 4 meter long walls (half walls)

[hard ivy]

If you disconnect the water extractors from power, manifolded nuke plants take at most a few hours to fill with rods, regardless of the number of gens.

[prisma forge]

here's the thing tho, I already have my powerplant up and running

[frozen cloud]

eh 1/5 balancer isnt the worst

[ivory condor]

Definitely agree about pipes, in general pipes feel like somebody took one look at navier stokes equation and we like so how do I put that into the game

And nobody was there unfortunately to stop them from trying

[hard ivy]

No reasonably sized balancer is difficult to build

[frozen cloud]

eh, its not immediately obvious how the 1/5 split works
but theres worse splits

[hard ivy]

Eh, all of the 1:n splits are pretty easy. You start with a 2:2 or a 2:3, then split until you get to a number bigger than n, and loop back all the extra belts into the 2nd input

[ruby fable]

i just wait for them to fill themselves up

[rocky rock]

I'll see if I can resurrect that save, probably need to stand up a new turbofuel power plant first though so I don't risk running out of power setting up the nuclear

especially for the later fuel processing stages

is rocket fuel worth the extra resources?

[hard ivy]

Absolutely. It's turbofuel that isn't really worth burning

[frozen cloud]

its insanely good

[hard ivy]

But if it's only to jumpstart nuclear, you can just do diluted fuel

It'll probably be even easier than rocket

[ivory condor]

Easily replaces nuclear levels of good, either diluted fuel or rocket fuel for power, turbo fuel is only really useful for processing into rocket fuel for power

Uranium power is still fun for design challenge, rocket fuel is way easier to setup and provides alot of power

[south sinew]

way more tedious pasting though

[hard ivy]

What's easier: 1000 fuel generators or 1000 water extractors?

[south sinew]

it's not that many water extractors

it's definitely fewer water extractors than fuel generators

[stuck oak]

i finally got trains and i really wanna do a bunch of train stuff but i know i have to tear down my entire factory first

its bleak

[hard ivy]

Yeah, it's like 1000 fuel gens vs 100 nuke plants + 200 water extractors for the same power

[ivory condor]

With blueprints, both are easy for me

[south sinew]

water extractors are unprintable sadly

fuel gens are way easier to print

[ivory condor]

Not for me they aren't

[rocky rock]

I played up until I unlocked all milestones and everything from the MAM, and I didn't do a great job of automating things and did a lot of hand crafting/hand feeding fully slooped crafting machines

then hit a wall trying to automate the end game parts for the final phase

mostly not having enough power

and being silly and putting my space elevator at the 0,0 coordinates in the red forest

[hard ivy]

With AC BPs, you can easily place several gens per second, with pipes already connected. Only need to run power between BPs

Much faster than placing and piping nuke plants individually

[rocky rock]

it's been fun taming the red forest though, paving it over

turned the swamp into a giant foundation for my nuclear project

[fallen moss]

Chat why my lizard doggos disappearing? Can you only have one? 🥺

[rocky rock]

probably will build a diluted fuel plant in the blue crater

[ivory condor]

They have gone to their true master, aka me

[willow glen]

Did you build a pen? They can wonder off. I’d use SCIM to check their location. And if you’re sure you’re on top of one and absolutely can’t find it, it could have gone underground. I had a few do that to me

sometimes they like to burrow where the pioneer can’t reach 😦

[rocky rock]

I tamed a lizard doggo for the achievement

then I have no idea where it ended up

[shadow obsidian]

Do vertical splitters and mergers finally work in blueprints or is still bugged to hell?

[willow glen]

I don’t find them all that useful tbh, since you gotta keep checking on them, but they’re cute.

[willow glen]

Yes, that was only on experimental (hence it being experimental)

[ivory condor]

I thought they were still bugged hmm

[leaden ether]

Yeah they are still pretty bugged :(

I mean yuo can use them and fix and fiddle with them to get them to work but..

[willow glen]

Bugged how? They line up perfectly with height now and work as a splitter/merger would…

I never played experimental but I thought the “bug” was them not lining up properly?

[lost wagon]

can't have drones wait to do a trip every couple minutes or so instead of all the time, sad

[leaden ether]

Uh no they dont, and frequently they only connect one side (the upper part of the riser for me) while not connectingthe other side till you delete and rebuild that part of the riser

[shadow obsidian]

ah yeah that bug still

[willow glen]

weird, I never had that behavior

[shadow obsidian]

guess I'll skip using them

[willow glen]

used them a lot with no problems, only downside is because they must snap to conveyer you can’t nudge them (same as any snappable)

[shadow obsidian]

yeah I loaded my save not too long ago only to discover disconnections everywhere

[leaden ether]

If you build 100% on orthagonal coordinates, including vertically then maybe they install corectly, but otherwise it's a crapshoot

[willow glen]

could you post a screenshot of that behavior? I’ve had several people tell me it was fixed so this is news to me

[ivory condor]

Oh so that bug hasn't been fixed either....welp

[willow glen]

don’t wanna give bad advice

[willow glen]

I assume this save never had a conveyer merger/splitter placed while it was in experimental? Because i doubt they’d fix unless you rebuilt it

[shadow obsidian]

the server was on experimental

I can't remember exactly when I tried it. Sometime around 1.1 release

[willow glen]

well the patch won’t change its behavior lol, that would break the whole save

[shadow obsidian]

I just wanted to ask to save myself having to redo everything

[willow glen]

don’t use em if you don’t want to but it sounds like you’re talking about a previous version to the one I am

[shadow obsidian]

this is a new a save and single player so maybe it's actually no longer an issue

[frail sleet]

I'm not aware of any CURRENT bugs, but there were several that were fixed only going forwards, not retroactively - so stuff that broke on a reload would have to be rebuilt, just once.

It's a pain but it is what it is

[leaden ether]

Once I've gotten the vertical splitter/merger actually working, I've not had one stop working later on... But getting them to attach properly in the first place is problematic and requires deleting and reinstalling one of the vertical connections quite frequently for me.

[rocky rock]

I'll probably dismantle my factory on my current save and sink all the resources, only leave scattered factories feeding my dimensional depots with building materials so I can easily rebuild a proper gigafactory

[leaden ruin]

i for sure don't need loops when only running 300m water in a mk2 right? (bottom-feeding, fwiw) i've had this test running for 30m and it seems stable, but want to be sure

[leaden ether]

Now this is frequently(for me) while using mk6 belt lifts and those are vsually quite buggy themselves so the combination of the two may be making things worse.

[frozen cloud]

eh
just keep in mind that you wont get any dopamine until its done so it will be pretty boring
imo just restart so you get that hit of unlocking stuff again

[rocky rock]

Makes sense, might do the dune desert since I haven't used that start before

Probably will also go a lot faster the second time

[lost wagon]

drone port only have 1 output?

[frozen cloud]

ye its really fun for me to get to use all the stuff ive learned previously

[shadow obsidian]

whelp.. I just tried my first vertical merger and it broke before I even created the blueprint. I made a lift and connected to a conveyor hole in the ceiling and then I placed a vertical merger on the lift and the lift detached from the conveyor hole by 2m. Guess I'm going back to non-verts

I am playing with mods but I doubt any of the ones i'm using would cause that

[zenith kestrel]

Can i turn my chainsaw red with the color swatches or no

[last tartan]

hey guys, how do i access photos ive taken through satisfactory's camera mode?

[winged flame]

So I started a new playthrough in the desert and I'm getting stuck on Phase 2 again. Not stuck on the elevator stuff but just trying to decide what nodes to use for this or that and I can't seem to just get factories built. Why do I keep getting hung up on the basic iron parts factory and how much I should be producing? Should I funnel as many iron nodes into a big iron parts factory and then disperse it to other places or should I just make an entire factory for each individual part from iron plates to Automated Wiring? I really wanna finish this game but I keep getting stuck on stuff. Any help or advice?

[shadow obsidian]

You can change the color of it via the character customization colors

[bronze sparrow]

make seperate factories for everything

[winged flame]

How do I decide how much to make of everything?

[bronze sparrow]

i got a huge factory for my iron stuff, half getting stored and other half going to my assembler factory

[bronze sparrow]

just keep half and then send half to another place thats what i do

[lost wagon]

one of my drones disappeared wtf

[last tartan]

hey guys, how do i access photos ive taken through satisfactory's camera mode? i have some sweet pictas i wanna share 😭

[bronze sparrow]

probably on a sick day

[bronze sparrow]

should be in your files

[hard ivy]

There's literally a button to open the folder

[lost wagon]

it's flying all the way to the swamp, there is no port in there lmao

[bronze sparrow]

thats what im saying it took a sick day

[winged flame]

I guess what I mean is how do I decide how much ore input and product output to make? Like if I made an iron plate factory, do I just take in 60/min or 120/min and do that? Most of the advice I've found online before just says something to the effect of "make however much you need or want" lol

[last tartan]

#screenshots message dope

[bronze sparrow]

make 120 if you can make it easily while keeping some for yourself

personally i got all my constructors and miners boosted on slugs so i got no problem splitting it into half

[hard ivy]

That's because that's the only advice you can give. It entirely depends on how you play the game

[bronze sparrow]

when i need it for space elevator i just cut off the storage and then eveything gors twice as fast

you want your constructors to go as fast if not faster than the miner itself

[winged flame]

I guess where I'm struggling with that idea is I don't know what that means for me. I don't really know what my "playstyle" would be. I'm just trying to learn and get to later phases without getting messy everything again.

[maiden flare]

imo, there's two options: either plan out your entire factory from the beginning all the way to the endgame, or just build about what you think is right and be preapred to rebuild or expand

personally i do the second

[drowsy rock]

wheres a good spot for a high speed connector factory i only realy need a spot that has copper, caterium, and quartz/oil nearby

[frail sleet]

Make a bit. If and when you run out, make a bit more. Repeat

it will happen less and less frequently over time

if you're very new to the game you have to guess at the quantities a bit, but you can use the output of a single production machine running 100% of the time as a good guide for most things and go from there. (Notably not concrete, you need a lot of that :P)

[maiden flare]

A quick glance at the map and I notice the northeast corner of the titan forest as having the right resources, but it's not super easy to build there. I'd recommend going to an online map yourself if you want

[drowsy rock]

thanks

[winged flame]

Should I be making things to connect it to other factories? I guess I'm stuck between the idea of mega factory and little factories for every single possible item. The logistics between factories seems hard to figure out if I do them separately so I have been trying to make something that just makes each part on its own, even with the prerequisite parts, and then store them and eventually upload/sink them. But I can never stick to one.

[last tartan]

my life is complete, i unlocked the truck in satisfactory

time to stop playing for another 2 months

[distant pulsar]

Personal preference again 😂

I can tell you that for myself, trying to make an end product starting from iron ore or something is recipe for madness.

It's much more enjoyable to make standalone buildings that do 1 thing, for example take in 2 materials from 2 other buildings, output the 1 material those turn into.

And then if you need more of any 1 material, you can just build another floor upwards in that building (since you can go up effectively infinitely)

[frail sleet]

For the most part it's a lot easier to make parts as you need them.

e.g. make some plates for hand usage

later if a part needs plates, build plates for that part there and then.

[white dawn]

IMO the current state is still better than potentially breaking thousands of existing saves with working pipe systems on account of missing edge cases and the like

[white dawn]

Yeah, for sure; sometimes stuff's gotta change, and EA's the time to do it (so long as you're doing EA, anyway)

[winged flame]

Honestly this helps a ton. I'm gonna try doing things this way to break it down into something as simple as possible. Thanks

[soft oyster]

i love cluster nobelisk

[gritty sleet]

I've never tried it, it destroys vegetation 😦

[soft oyster]

its very fun

[gritty sleet]

Also I'm pretty sure it's unlikely they'll get me, but it's kinda terrifying ziplining along power towers and have a green spider leap out of the trees below and reach your altitude, but just not where you're at anymore.

[next arrow]

Someo know if Will there ever be the procedural mapa tech in Satisfactory one day?

[gritty sleet]

Highly unlikely

They've spent the entire period of the game's development fine-tuning this one

[next arrow]

okay

[gritty sleet]

But I'm still hopeful we'll get more map in a DLC expansion at some point

[next arrow]

map diversity on diferrents planets should be fun like choose the planet u want colonized and from that give u a narrative to swap maps

[stray loom]

Giant underground cave system with an ARK Aberration feel

[gritty sleet]

If you want something like that, with a milder logistics system and more combat, The Riftbreaker might be up your alley. Their second expansion is subterranean.

[peak wasp]

almost to 20k MWh

I am hoping to get to 100k MWh

[rain bramble]

I just discovered the blade runners and nearly came at the increased run speed. After like 15 hours of struggle, this feels like a divine gift

[stray loom]

I'm struggling so hard for design inspiration right now 😭
Working on a building which is conceptually an original core building with 2 extensions and I have a style I'm happy enough with even tho I still need to tweak colors for said extensions but when it comes to the core building I'm just lost trying to come up with something that looks like it could have inspired the other bits

[pure condor]

should I produce more quartz crystal or silica

[gritty sleet]

It depends on what you need lol

Don't make it just for the sake of making it

[pure condor]

why not

[gritty sleet]

Because it's not something you need to stockpile

You make it to feed a more-complex part

[dense violet]

are you at a point where you're done with all the tech and unlocked everything?

[pure condor]

it isnt?

I have like a lot more power than I should so I should be fine

[dense violet]

having more power isn't really an issue with this...

[stray loom]

Neither one is needed in any real quantity for production but silica is used in windows and quartz is used in signs

[pure condor]

whats the issue??

[dense violet]

you not having a use for it

[pure condor]

aw man

[dense violet]

you barely need a few pm in storage to do anything with it outside production. It's used in lights a bit?

[pure condor]

im still going to stock pile it

[dense violet]

signs? so unless you're spamming them everywhere have like 5pm of each for storage

[gritty sleet]

Here's one of my factories. I'm using both at the same time, and they don't get shipped elsewhere. That's one of those low-tier items where if you need more, you just make more in a new place.
#screenshots message

[stray river]

I started building a 2800 per minute turbo fuel factory but I found that with the same amount of sulfur, I could make a 5600 per minute (slooped) rocket fuel factory. Should I survive off of coal until I unlock blenders?

[dense violet]

!wikisearch silica

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=silica

[dense violet]

the wiki is your friend

[stray loom]

Yeah I've got like quantum encoding and peak efficiency left as milestones

[pure condor]

im just going to do 2 silica and 3 crystal things

[gritty sleet]

You're going to need more for actual factories, and almost none for stockpiling lol

[remote wasp]

is there a reason that fog of war doesn't clear while in a truck?

[dense violet]

hmm so are you starting on your own goals or still the phase 5? cause imo that makes a big difference for design.

if you start your own project you can start planning a large system from an end point

[pure condor]

but I started building a blue print for quartz 😢

[dense violet]

then you go location, and then break it down into hubs, where you can then plan out where the buildings will be and how they interact with eacah other

[stray loom]

Nah I've got all the factory planning done for this and all the machines laid out for this specific part. It's more the shell of the building I'm struggling with

[dense violet]

the shell realy depends on how you do the internals too :\ a huge part of how you design it meshes with how you set up all the logistics for it

[stray loom]

#design-and-architecture message That bit is done for this building too 😄

Or close enough to final that I wont be making any real major changes at least

[ivory condor]

Imo prioritizing lessening short term pain over long term pain of pipes remaining painful to work with isnt exactly convincing me of being the best idea, personally im fine with my factory breaking, fixing isn't hard, and it would lead to better user experience when players get to pipes

[naive palm]

Are pipes hard to work with? My experience has not been the same. Different, but not difficult. I have an open mind though, what are your specific complaints?

[acoustic heart]

Best way to transport nitrogen? I got a fused modular Fran factory in the desert with a nitrogen node a little ways away

[naive palm]

nitrogen is cash b/c you don't have to deal with headlift - so literally pipe it where you need it.

[stray loom]

It's a gas so you can just put down pipes and not gaf but it also compresses really well in packaged form so pick your poison

[acoustic heart]

Ohh. So it doesn’t work like the liquids?

[dense violet]

pipes are honestly very simple if you keep them simple

[acoustic heart]

Oh heck yeah. That’s such a relief to hear lol

[dense violet]

if you package it it compresses 4x

[acoustic heart]

Sick

[dense violet]

and the only thing you could really do to 'fix' pipes is turn them into hidden belts mk2

which would be a crime

[dense violet]

yeah, drones are very convenient to move it. since the drone can just take back the empties directly

oh and as much as you should avoid buffers with liquids DO NOT use them with gasse s

[acoustic heart]

Would y’all say fused modular frames are the most annoying thing to automate?

[dense violet]

not really. Add gas and some bauxite and you're basically done

[rain bramble]

wtf I just setup oil and everything just worked at full efficiency first try. First time it happened to me in like 20 hours

[ivory condor]

Problem is people try that at first, but because of how its implemented, it leads to alot of user frustration

[ivory condor]

Imo having a system where you have to go discord to understand why pipes that should be simple to use, in reality it often doesnt end up being that way, that honestly truth be told is the real unspoken crime here

[acoustic heart]

Just got drones going as well so probably might go that route

[ivory condor]

I have lost count at this point how many times people have to keep coming here because the game does such a bad job overall with pipes

[dense violet]

is red stone in minecraft someting people automatically understand? no.
having to understand the basics of a system and not having it just plug and play is entirely acceptable

go mod 1 way pipes and have boring belt pipes if you want, take away the one thing you really have to learn about in a game in how to do for your game

honestly if you just look up the very basics of pipes in the game and decide to run 300 flow pipes you almost don't have to do anything else

[shadow spade]

Redstone is easy to put to simple use and understand without issue.

[dense violet]

and pipes in this game are a fraction of that

[rain bramble]

pipes are just vertically challenged conveyor belts no?

[willow glen]

Minecraft is a pretty awful comparison, that game intentionally doesn’t explain anything, satisfactory explains a lot

[dense violet]

in a way , a bit more than that

[dense violet]

... does it? a lot of people don't understand manifolds until the yget to this server

[rain bramble]

not far enough to get too much about it, but hey, for now my things work so I'm not complaining lol

[dense violet]

satisfactories 1-9 tiers are a very good tutorial as it feeds you bit by bit though

[shadow spade]

Trains are extremely easy to set up your first basic line between two areas and set the autopilot on. Pipes are a mess to just get working for one refinery fueling generators and you'll never figure out on your own why your system isn't working.

[dense violet]

well, liquids have 2 behaviours that affect everything. They flow both ways and prefer to go down. EVerything else flows from that

pun intended

[willow glen]

A lot of people given time with splitters would likely come to the conclusion, but manifolds aren’t required to progress so again, not a good comparison. The game could do better explaining pipes tho, that much I do agree with

[dense violet]

you can also do direct feeds with pipes. no need for manifolds

there's yoru gotcha moment gone

[shadow spade]

Manifolds are something a lot of people might end up inventing on their own just out of design creativity or aesthetics.

[dense violet]

oh a lot do, but some think they have to manually balance everything

[rain bramble]

I learned that when I accidentally put a pump the wrong way and wondered for 10 minutes why I had no liquid further down the pipeline lol

[dense violet]

', but manifolds aren’t required to progress so again, not a good comparison. ' - if you don't manifold pipes you have no issues.

[wanton fox]

im gonna use the fluid Freight for first time. Any recomendation?

is for gas nitro

[dense violet]

don't. Gas doesn't like buffers

Unless you don't need full throughput

[dense violet]

packaging it first is simpler and requires fewer cars

[wanton fox]

ok

[latent prawn]

for nitrogen, you can haul a lot more of it when you package it

[wanton fox]

need only 605 u/m

so i will pack then

[dense violet]

Consider using a drone 🙂 they are very good for it and will bring back the empties

on teh same drone

[latent prawn]

yeah, drones were really added to the game to support ferrying nitro in packaging loops

[dense violet]

I mean, they are very good at that. but also just any transport from awkard spots with little infrastructure too

[latent prawn]

yeah, they shine when you are moving stuff in both directions though

[wanton fox]

the only issue is where i need to move the nitro there is no source of fuel for it or i could play with a oil node free

in that same spot

[dense violet]

no fuel possible at either destination?

you can always drone fuel to the drone

[wanton fox]

i could craft fuel

a smal factory

have a node free

[latent prawn]

what i usually do is establish 2 drone ports at nitrogen wells, one pulls drone fuel from a distribution point and provides fuel to the nitrogen providing port

[wanton fox]

oooh ok

[dense violet]

one way to not over drone is to make sure a lot of your drones share a common drop point, so it's easy to refuel them

[latent prawn]

that way you don't have to muck with fuel at the consuming location

[dense violet]

although it's not really critical to do that.

[wanton fox]

so how work?

like as the train station y use a name tag?

never used a drone, and will be my first time setting one

[dense violet]

just naming the d rone stations? considering they are very point to point, naming them doesn't really impact anything imo, do what you like 🙂

[arctic spindle]

is it wise to play it drunk I don't wanna short circuit

[latent prawn]

it is similar. each drone port can be given a drone and that drone is configured to have one remote destination port

you can also set up a port without a drone and let several remote ports use it as a destination

[wanton fox]

and to fuel a drone with another drone is just making them drop the fuel in one of the destinations?

[latent prawn]

there's some other configurations that are possible, but those are the two main ones that you'll find useful

yeah, you just belt the output from the fuel fetching port into the fuel input of the product distribution port

its also a useful pattern to use to get fuel to remote truck stations 🙂

[acoustic heart]

Do y’all like trucks? I find that without some dedicated highway, they’re pretty janky at times

[ivory condor]

Minecraft explains nothing so not sure why your trying to make this comparison

[vestal mica]

dya like dags

[latent prawn]

i don't much care for how derpy they can get at times, but i like having the extra activity in a busy factory

[dense violet]

and satisfactory really doesn't explain anything either. They give you a thing and move you on.
and all of it is a fraction how complicated redstone is

[acoustic heart]

True. They do look cool driving around

[dense violet]

if your argument is 'people shouldn't have to learn how to use mechanics in a game more indepth' then that is certainly an opinion, but there's tons of games out there that have much much deeper mechanics that need learning than the pipe in this game

the pipes in this game are barely a blip

[ivory condor]

Satisfactory explains far more than Minecraft does, especially at the start

[acoustic heart]

Like paradox games. lol

[latent prawn]

i find, especially with the truck vs tractor which is a bit more driveable, building roads for them really helps

[dense violet]

YEAH and their wiki is terrible

[acoustic heart]

Yeah. I probably need to sit down one day and just make a bunch of blueprints for some highways or something

[dense violet]

it doesn't explain anything that isn't readily apparent. Use basic items, stick them in machines, go.

maybe if you've never played any video games in the past it's a revalation?

[wanton fox]

ty for the help!

[latent prawn]

i honestly still build roads and rails by hand to allow them to more closely hug terrain contours

very time-consuming to do though

[ivory condor]

Trying to understand pipes in this game for players is apparently a revelation in of itself

[dense violet]

apparently it is for anyone who is expected to do the most basic of investigation on a topic

what I'm saying is that having to look up mechanics and how to properly do things in a game is not new. It's very common and not unexpected

your position is essentially boiled down to 'game mechanics shouldn't be so difficult anyone has to look up info on the topic'. Which is an opinion. But a shockingly bad one, imo, in a problem solving and design game

don't try to dumb down the one aspect of the game that requires any amount of thought

[trim vine]

liquids have a love language, and you gotta spend time making that love to learn

[dense violet]

only if you do fancy things. Like I said before, keep to 300 pipes and you essentialy don't need to learn anything else if you don't want

[acoustic heart]

Pipes do be sloshin though

I think I got them figured out enough though to get what I want out of them. I also try not to run pipes long distances or go up much

[dense violet]

keeping manifolds flat is pretty important too

[trim vine]

the more love you make the more you find the longer pipes aint that bad. but starting out, short and sweet

[dense violet]

it's because people treat them like belts, and then get bitten

I cannot tell you how many times people have come up with pipe problems they have and it's because they are trying to move more down a pipe tha nit can handle

'hey, you're trying to move 400 fluid pm down this mk1 pipe that says it can do 300pm, do you see the problem?' - 'no?'

a lot of people seem to have issues thinking pipes have limits like belts

[acoustic heart]

Like all things in satisfactory(and a lot of other games), just takes some trial and error. Good ole problem solving.

[ivory condor]

Dumb down, while you defend something that is inherently frustrating, please

[dense violet]

as mentioned, the only thing that is inherently frustrating can be solved by 'run 300 pipes and don't think of anything else'

sooooo frustrating

if you don't want to dive deeper into pipes than that? thats pretty much as far as you have to go

[ivory condor]

Mk2 pipes exist you know....

[maiden flare]

That's just it, you don't see the problem. Belts show stuff off, pipes "hide" it. Some people struggle to understand what isn't right in front of their face. *sigh*

[dense violet]

and? you said it's inherently frustrating when you can just solve all your problems with 1 bit of information.
no part of the game forces you to run 600 pipes
or bottom feed
or do splits , and merges, and feeding on different level

if you want you can learn one bit of information and that's it.

don't complain you have to learn a little bit more for different things

[dense violet]

people don't read tool tips like the public don't read signs. I used to work at a liquor store where we had a massively long customer fridge. It broke down once and we had , at every door, a sign in big letters at face height saying 'fridge is broken'
everyone asked why the bottles were warm

[ivory condor]

While I can understand you don't actually want to help people, I can't say I can agree

[dense violet]

shrug if you think learning 1 bit of information is too much to ask for people maybe problem solving games aren't for them

and maybe you should get a mod that turns pipes to belts

[vestal mica]

shrug it is not invalid to wish there was a way to learn that in game

so maybe you should stop telling people what they should and should not do

[ivory condor]

Well said, very true infact

[maiden flare]

I like that pipes have complexity but what I don't understand is why mk 2 pipes seem to function differently than mk 1 even when the game implies they should be the same

[flint grail]

Bruh, these switches are so fucking buggy

[trim vine]

Cobalt is a cantankerous individual and thats that, knowledgable and cantankerous

[trim vine]

?

[dense violet]

I'm cantankerous to people wanting to trivialise a problem solving game. 😛 Mod it out if you don't like it

[ivory condor]

People already do that, same with bps

[flint grail]

They don't work half the time, randomly. Set to go in one direction and I end up going the complete opposite direction

[velvet idol]

I learned a new word today

[trim vine]

The ONLY thing I do not like in this game is people who dont try and troubleshoot themselves a bit before coming to the discord

[trim vine]

switches?

[dense violet]

my understanding is that it's not that it's mk2 specifically its just running longer manifolds are more unstable. Running 600 fluid in a pipe will be more unstable than 300

[flint grail]

Rail switches. Have you not unlocked that yet?

[trim vine]

do you mean signals?

[flint grail]

No, the actual switches themselves

[maiden flare]

unstable because that's how fluids work? or unstable because the game doesn't calculate them correctly?

[ivory condor]

You understand correctly, that's part of why I don't like the pipe implementation

[trim vine]

Ok, I know of path and block signals for trains

Switches for power

So what are you referencing

[trim vine]

Or hypertubes?

[dense violet]

so the longer a manifold is and the more injection points along to feed a system, the more instances of back flow can happen. It's just that at 300 flow you can do just about anything and it can self correct

[flint grail]

Junctions, switches, same thing

[ivory condor]

Personally I think mk2 pipes imo are a bit broken

[flint grail]

I'm from America, it's a switch

[acoustic heart]

Are you talking about the little arrow signs that tell you which way your train is going?

[flint grail]

It's the thing you use to switch tracks, yes

[dense violet]

it's not the pipe itself, it's the behaviour at junctions. It's just higher flow shows the fluctuations more .

[trim vine]

AHHHHHH, its not unlocked its just there when a rail splits

Do you have other automated trains on that track?

[dense violet]

run 300 down a mk2 and you'll probably be fine

[acoustic heart]

So they should just handle that automatically

[flint grail]

Nope, they go down the wrong track too

And I even have phantom switches

[trim vine]

Automated trains dont go down the wrong track unless there is not a way for them to go down the track you want them to

[maiden flare]

well yeah but when you want to build nuclear power building double the pipes doesn't feel very appealing

[trim vine]

Not really a thing

I can help with the train stuff if you want though

[flint grail]

#screenshots message Doubt

[dense violet]

ah but with nuclear power you can feed 600 down one pipe with no junctions 🙂

[dense violet]

it's the junctions that murder you

[abstract heron]

hello all

[trim vine]

Those arent phantom switches, they are switches left over from when there was a junction or split there

[maiden flare]

i've been working on an aluminum factory recently and 😖

[flint grail]

Aka, phantom switches

[dense violet]

oh the waste water is a different kettle of fish. If you're still having issues with it I can help you in #math-and-meta

[acoustic heart]

I don’t think those do anything though?

[trim vine]

delete the up and downstream rail and they go away, and they would have no impact either way

[acoustic heart]

Doesn’t sloppy aluminum get rid of waste water?

[maiden flare]

well I think I got it flowing correctly but thx anyway

[trim vine]

Again though, do you need help with fixing trains?

[flint grail]

But it's the reason why my switches are broken

[trim vine]

doubtful

[flint grail]

I do this out of rage

[trim vine]

Rage isnt the option

[dense violet]

gets rid of silica

[dense violet]

no stress, were you mixing the fresh and waste together?

[acoustic heart]

What leads you to believe they are what is affecting your train?

[acoustic heart]

Oh yeah. That’s right.

[trim vine]

Either way, happy to hop on a call with you and help fix the issue

[flint grail]

I had issues there with the switches before I just removed them. When the game relaunched, those were there

[ivory condor]

Probably yes. I did try to use valves to better control flow, but it was always hit or miss

[flint grail]

Getting three point switches to work like IRL would be great, tbh

[maiden flare]

No, I had heard not to do that already... some of the problem is that the rest of the factory still has bugs so then the scraps back up and then everything backs up. I tried just connecting the refineries to sinks and I got them to run at 100% so I think I'll be good when I finish the rest.

[ivory condor]

But ultimately manifolds and pipes dont seem to mix very well, especially mk2

[dense violet]

mcgal has reported that if you use valves at the start of a manifold and at every feed pipe you can get some stabalisation, but probably still not as reliable as a loop

[dense violet]

ah good yeah, it was probably that then. keeping waste and fresh is very solidly reliable.

[trim vine]

the 4 way switches have had a ton of issues in this game as of 1.1

For some reason, the game does not want to register the "third" rail as being there, so trains take weird routes to get to where they are supposed to go

Splitting 4 way junctions into side by side 3 way junctions has solved the problem for me and many others

[flint grail]

That's what I did at one area

[ivory condor]

Yes it was, but im not going to say that is 100% reliable, would need to run longer term testing on those factories, valves did seem to help though either way

[trim vine]

and did it then work

[ivory condor]

Still i think its best to just loop the pipes, that's a known reliable method

[dense violet]

loops seem to break down at 25~ ish refineries fed on the same side - so might be a good testing point if you're curious

but it did take 4-6 hours for the loop to start starving in that situation

that was with having all the input pipes be mk1, having a pump right before the manifold and ... honestly doing every stabalisation method I've seen

I'd say 20 refs on one side is probably pushing the envelope assuming the avg person's set up isn't going to be pristine

[flint grail]

Ye, the real pain right now is all of the train stations on my map in the session I'm in is at 0,0, so I don't know which one is which

[full perch]

Just finished set up my first coal power?

Is doing 8 to 4 extractor way easier and simple

[dense violet]

8:3

[swift goblet]

hello...how do you direct yourself in hypertubes during splitting off? thank you in advance.

[trim vine]

At dawn on the fifth day, just look to the east

[dense violet]

!wikisearch cg

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=cg

[flint grail]

Is there a way I can get rid of these things? #screenshots message

I can't blow them up and cut them down

[swift goblet]

thanks for the reply...apparently not your dad though!

[trim vine]

you can nobelisk them, you just gotta hit them at either the base of the stem to the bulb, or on top (I forget which)

[twilit kayak]

I wish satisfactory could be played single player without internet

Is it my data they need?

[trim vine]

Apologies, I beat the game without building the junction once and do not know

[placid stirrup]

It can, you just become a different avatar

[flint grail]

I tried base. Guess I'll try bulb next, if t'll stick

[twilit kayak]

it dosn't let me on steam and my isp sucks

[trim vine]

Its either the top or bottom of the bulb, though there are a couple I couldnt pop

[flint grail]

Nope, bulb doesn't work

[placid stirrup]

I've definitely played with no Internet on steam before

[boreal musk]

that one is indestructible

[trim vine]

😦

[twilit kayak]

Should I send a ticket? this happen often and I get locked out with the error "offline"

[wicked nacelle]

stuff like that either takes chainsaw or nobelisk or is indestructible -- no apparent rhyme or reason why what is what - not even consistent within the same type of object

[swift goblet]

Pressing 'E' before the junction...

[twilit kayak]

maybe turn off data collection

[placid stirrup]

Have you looked here or the QA site to see if there's a fix?

[twilit kayak]

Ill check the QA site

[twilit kayak]

Thanks, I had to change my game save settings

[burnt ferry]

the ||cybertruck|| has square wheels 😂 😂 😂 😂

this is too good

its by far the most useless car in the game... in any game actually... perfectly nailed it 😂

apparentlly the steering is also broken but i dont know if its because of my input..it only8 goes right

wait aminute....

[sterile blade]

It has some... Particular uses.
Eg: using it with jumpads

[burnt ferry]

'uses'? 😂

i'm wondering whether the car going only right is only to make it appear broken or if it has another hidden meaning 😂

[sterile blade]

*Usecases

[burnt ferry]

i wasnt laughing about that... i understood what you meant

i'm questioning that it has actual use cases rather than just some fun experiments 😂

[sterile blade]

Well, it was hit by a steel ball thrown really really hard. It must be limping on one side because of it

[burnt ferry]

im thinking about a different analogy. but that could be it as well

[shadow spade]

IIRC didn't Mythbusters find that having square wheels isn't actually too terrible so long as they're mounted at 1/8 offsets from each other?

[burnt ferry]

those arent mounted with an offset though

[shadow spade]

lol

[burnt ferry]

😂

[sterile blade]

Any shape can be used as wheel, if you add some "as long"s and don't really care for comfort and convenience

[burnt ferry]

each as in each or paired front/back?

[burnt ferry]

i use a line

friend used a dot.. but hes to one dimensional for me

[sterile blade]

... Is a line a shape? (actual confusion)

[burnt ferry]

hm... ye

a shape is not necessarily a line..

but a line is a shape

i mean a shape is a body that has no height.. idk how to phrase that for 2 to 1 dimension but thats what im thinking

[shadow spade]

As in front left normal, front right turned 1/8 compared to front left, rear right turned 1/8 compared to front right, rear left turned 1/8 compared to rear right and front left would end up turned 1/8 compared to rear left as a result.

[burnt ferry]

a line is a shape without width

or width =0

[shadow spade]

If I remember the episode right, it made the ride driveable.

[burnt ferry]

so in pairs but switching sides

[shadow spade]

Not paired.

[burnt ferry]

ah you went through it from the one thats not offset, gotcha

[shadow spade]

Square, tiled square, diamond, tilted square the other way.

[burnt ferry]

have you tried the thing in game?

[shadow spade]

I'm not at the point where I have access to it.

I was talking about the Mythbusters episode.

[sterile blade]

It's still quite bumpy, unless you also get a matching road/track xD

[burnt ferry]

ye i understood.. you should try it (getting access to it, is pretty easy. ||just do something ada clearly tells you not to do||)

[half scaffold]

Belt or Train?
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553550313533997057/1398188049732730982/Question.png?ex=68847398&is=68832218&hm=75c4b0a1c92c09a55ce45d58f7bdb255bb494399d82e64abc90341bc9bb7a7f2&

[trim vine]

can you post in #screenshots

[half scaffold]

I did, I thought I pasted thelink to it

Rt Click the image and Copy Link, right?

[trim vine]

Coal for, I presume, steel?

Either way, its close enough I would belt myself

imo trains are more for spanning a whole biome

[stone python]

personal opinion

[reef basin]

* #1038092680493801533

[worthy junco]

Just use your own legs

[stone python]

or, do the big brain, and use a bunch of carts

[half scaffold]

I've got a truck going from there to my coal power plant 🙂

[stone python]

there is a nice road path already that you could use a truck as well

[half scaffold]

True, I've got one truck using part of it already...

[stone python]

as long as the truck meets your throughput needs, no reason to change it

[half scaffold]

Actually I have a tractor running now. I think a truck would work, but I need to make sure it doesn't collide with my tractor

[strange glen]

Wrapping up phase 5 and have a few "phase 6" goals

[daring stag]

uranium is not radioactive like that irl

I protest

[fickle onyx]

umm help

[strange glen]

• Full Nuclear Power Plant
• Power Shard Factory and Alien Matrix
• Setup a Portal
• Train for map tour

can anybody else think of other post game tasks

[daring stag]

my phase 6 goal is the 1000 tickets achievement

the golden statue

[strange glen]

i actually ended up getting that by phase 4 lol

[daring stag]

damn that sounds early

[strange glen]

Oh yeah and im setting up a centralized storage and main base

yeah well i automated everything with sinks for overflow, and let game basically AFK when I was not playing

[daring stag]

well me too except the afk part for now

[fickle onyx]

can anyone help, my satisfactory keeps crashing

[strange glen]

what phase are you ? Im just wrapping up a couple of the final parts now

[fickle onyx]

help EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION writing address 0x0000000082371d4

this is what i'm getting

[daring stag]

phase 4, 0 quest item done

I have 400 tickets tho

[strange glen]

phase 4 is by far the longest phase lol

[daring stag]

yeah I setup a supercomputer factory yesterday took me all evening

[strange glen]

At phase 4 i actually fully planned out phase 4 and 5

yeah youll need those going forward 10 pm is a good target

[daring stag]

got 6 pm with sloop

I had a 1K output quickwire on a single belt and didn't notice

that fucked me some time

[strange glen]

where are the mk6 belts when you need them lol

[daring stag]

it's after phase 4 right?

like the converter?

[strange glen]

yeah phase 5 for the mk6 belts

and all the quantum stuff

[daring stag]

yeah nice first time I was overflowing a mk5 so I didn't understand for a while

[strange glen]

if you setup phase 4 proper, phase 5 is easier than phase 4

[daring stag]

that's what I read yeah

[sterile blade]

If you posted it inside the server already, it's more convenient to use "copy message link" ^^
Example #screenshots message

[daring stag]

Ive built a single factory for each high level item with sink and alien depot

[strange glen]

my friend and I setup a rocket fuel factory, let me show you this lol

[daring stag]

need turbo motor and cooling system and Ive got everything I think

[strange glen]

we are at aroun 500/700 generators placed

[daring stag]

damn, I have not that patience

[abstract heron]

If u have to take a break

Walk around

[sterile blade]

#1038092680493801533

[daring stag]

I'm farming the red bamboo forest, it's really nice looking

[abstract heron]

I got my new pc working so I can play some satisfactory

[daring stag]

of course I'm well equipped for the local fauna lol

[sterile blade]

It's also so calm and peacefull...

[strange glen]

check out the design and architeture channel haha

[daring stag]

wtf three green alpha stingers on this hard drive lol

thank god for hoverpack

[daring stag]

just got 150 mercer sphere achievement. too bad ada and the alien stopped talking dozens of spheres ago

[humble osprey]

Guys is his cannon name "bean"

Is that what he's actually called

[daring stag]

he has a longer one too

[humble osprey]

What is it

[dense violet]

!wikisearch tick

[fossil ice]

https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/index.php?search=tick

[humble osprey]

Wtf 😭

[reef basin]

no

[leaden turret]

:sf_steve:

[tawdry scaffold]

my game is being translated into my native language and i don't want that i fear its because of my and in the setting my is in english please help

[signal sleet]

Hey. Is creating an automated system for smart plating even neccesary? Takes so much effort and space early on, not sure if I will need it later. Also, to make the plates, I need to "waste" so many things like screws etc all going into the smart plate assembler atm, so I need to make separate factories for those individual ingredients

(I'm still under 5-6 hours of playtime, asking to not waste too much time and effort)

[dawn lake]

Uhhh how does on remove a structure that is not accessible?

[shy mulch]

Yes, smart plating is used later on

[shy mulch]

If you really can't find any way within the game to do it, then load your save file in SCIM (satisfactory calculator interactive map) and from there you can edit your save file, and remove the building that way, then reload your game. Always always always back up save files before editing

[dawn lake]

Ok ill try that thank you :)

[fiery pewter]

Any Satisfactory Modeler pro's in here?

Or atleast someone who knows how I check how many mw's my entire factory is going to be using in Satisfactory Modeler?

[dawn lake]

It fixed the issue thanks!

[reef basin]

not really answer to your question, but f.e. Satisfactory Tools show you the MW requirement

[reef basin]

not "necessary", but also not a waste, "worst" case you feed it into a sink and get tons of points from it. They are also needed in future spelevator deliveries, but personally I'd build a separate setup for those

[fiery pewter]

But I haven't built it yet :3?

[reef basin]

"Satisfactory Tools" is a planner

[fiery pewter]

Today I learned:

[daring stag]

seems I need the bauxite in the swamp meaning train station

[fathom shuttle]

You should set up a temporary factory for them, they’re needed in the next phase

Once you have 2 storage bins full you can delete the factory

[fathom shuttle]

There is an oil well there so you can make it at the swamp

[reef basin]

or route to sink

[daring stag]

good idea

damn I have so many trains blocking issues with 4 freight cars

although my train setup will not be compatible with aluminium ingots unless I make a second station

[signal sleet]

I see, thank you! Problem is that I need all the building bits for the smart plates separately, like screws, plates etc. But I might just create separate smaller factories for them

[reef basin]

that's usually how it goes with all items - making a factory that makes X from raw ores is very common, see https://satisfactory.wiki.gg/wiki/Tutorial:Independency

[signal sleet]

Cheers

[daring stag]

overflow of quartz was blocking my bauxite unload from train lol for the last hour this whole city was stalled

[reef basin]

are you mixing items in train car? 🙂

[daring stag]

yeah just on this one

[reef basin]

usually not a good idea 😛

[daring stag]

someone told me its not a good idea. then someone else told me that was nonsense and you could do it

I listened to the last person I talked to lol

[reef basin]

you can do it... with extra care

but usually it's not worth it vs just one extra car

[daring stag]

yeah I'm going to add more quartz buffer

and an overflow line if it really goes that much

[reef basin]

that's just gonna delay the problem

[idle roost]

Hi there, im new and had a quick question. is Turbofuel worth it? 2 Hard drives seems like a really steep price for what better fuel?

[reef basin]

"worth it" depends just on you

every alt recipe is useful for something, whether you like it or not is up to you

all that turbofuel does is basically replace some oil with coal+sulfur

[daring stag]

look at this hell #screenshots message

[idle roost]

oh sry, i was looking at the nodes from the Sulfur tree

[reef basin]

@dreamy scroll not sure what's funny 🤷

[daring stag]

biocoal is op